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| 00:03 | drojf1 joined #koha | |
| 00:04 | drojf | good night #koha |
| 00:05 | dcook | night, drojf |
| 00:06 | bag | ah it's fat tuesday |
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| 00:28 | eythian | jcamins: doesn't appear to, ce6f2cb74f78196e8d80a8b9acf27060e5fa09eb also fails |
| 00:30 | I see no obvious reason for it to cause this problem though | |
| 00:33 | jcamins | Oh, I see it. |
| 00:34 | I missed it when I pushed it. | |
| 00:34 | Right above GetMemberAccountBallance. | |
| 00:34 | Wait... | |
| 00:34 | I could've sworn that was fixed in the follow-up. | |
| 00:35 | Ohh. | |
| 00:35 | I see. | |
| 00:36 | That problem in another patch from Srdjan was fixed in a different follow-up. | |
| 00:36 | eythian | what is the issue? |
| 00:36 | wahanui | the issue is, like, the one described in bug 6997 |
| 00:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6997 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, koha-remove leaves system in inconsistent state if there is an error |
| 00:36 | eythian | I don't see it |
| 00:36 | wahanui: forget the issue | |
| 00:36 | wahanui | eythian: I forgot issue |
| 00:37 | eythian | jcamins: ahh |
| 00:37 | we're hitting a syspref outside a sub | |
| 00:37 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 00:38 | eythian | so, is there a followup that fixes that somewhere? |
| 00:39 | jcamins | No. |
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| 00:39 | jcamins | I didn't realize that Srdjan had done that on multiple patches. |
| 00:40 | eythian | ah right |
| 00:41 | jcamins | What I don't know, though, is why the test passes on my server even with MySQL shut down. |
| 00:41 | eythian | yeah, mine too |
| 00:43 | do you remember where the fix for something similar is? I might see how that's done. | |
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| 00:47 | jcamins | Move all that code into GetMemberAccountBalance. |
| 00:47 | None of the variables are used anywhere else. | |
| 00:48 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #22 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 00:48 | Starting build #20 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING) | |
| 00:48 | Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #22: SUCCESS in 14 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Docs_3.8.x/22/ | |
| 00:48 | Nicole C. Engard: update typo | |
| 00:48 | Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #20: STILL FAILING in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.10.x/20/ | |
| 00:48 | Nicole C. Engard: update typo | |
| 00:48 | Starting build #288 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 21 days ago) | |
| 00:48 | Project Koha_Docs build #288: STILL FAILING in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/288/ | |
| 00:48 | Nicole C. Engard: update typo | |
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| 00:53 | eythian | jcamins: any objection to including this on bug 9592? Or would you prefer its own bug? |
| 00:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9592 minor, P3, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Package dependency updates for master |
| 00:53 | eythian | ah, papa. Just been talking about you. |
| 00:53 | jcamins | No objection. |
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| 00:56 | * dcook | glares at IE |
| 01:03 | eythian | jcamins: build succeeded with that patch. |
| 01:05 | jcamins | Yay! |
| 01:12 | dcook | Patron card creator. *brain explodes* |
| 01:12 | If I were using IE to use Koha, I would think it was such a piece of junk | |
| 01:12 | Although as we all know, it's IE that is junk not Koha... | |
| 01:13 | Does everyone else's clients really use Firefox and Chrome? | |
| 01:13 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 01:14 | Well, there are a few I know who do not. | |
| 01:16 | dcook | Poor folks |
| 01:16 | The ones who do not that is | |
| 01:17 | The patron card creator is an absolute disaster in IE | |
| 01:18 | rangi | for the staff side yes |
| 01:18 | not just firefox or chrome | |
| 01:19 | but anything except ie 8 or older | |
| 01:19 | eythian | we strongly encourage it, though some people have no choice. |
| 01:20 | dcook | A lot of people I know have no choice |
| 01:20 | This is even in ie 9 :/ | |
| 01:20 | eythian | jcamins: I've marked bug 9592 as passed QA, though I'd like it if you were to give it a bit of a look over too. |
| 01:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9592 minor, P3, ---, robin, Passed QA , Package dependency updates for master |
| 01:21 | rangi | even that is 2 years old now |
| 01:22 | eythian | (especially the first patch that is, the second is fairly inconsequential for most people) |
| 01:23 | dcook | True enough. |
| 01:26 | jcamins | So... anyone have any idea why I would use Bootstrap's typeahead instead of jQuery's autocomplete or vice versa? |
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| 01:33 | libsysguy_phone | I think its just a matter of preference |
| 01:33 | libsysguy | and what you have existing |
| 01:51 | dcook | Hmm, actually it might not be IE |
| 01:51 | I think it might be bad markup and IE is just a lot less forgiving... | |
| 01:52 | bag | it's always IE :P |
| 01:52 | libsysguy | 1) its always the data |
| 01:52 | ^^ talljoy | |
| 01:53 | dcook | bag: :p |
| 02:03 | jcamins | Does HTML have an invisible space? |
| 02:03 | libsysguy | |
| 02:03 | I think | |
| 02:03 | jcamins | libsysguy: that's visible. |
| 02:04 | wizzyrea | like an invisible span? |
| 02:04 | libsysguy | what are you trying to do? |
| 02:04 | wizzyrea | yea, the first question |
| 02:04 | the first question? | |
| 02:04 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
| 02:04 | jcamins | Work around the fact that I can't force TinyMCE to generate invalid markup. |
| 02:05 | wizzyrea | and you would want to do this because... |
| 02:05 | libsysguy | maybe he's writing test files? |
| 02:05 | jcamins | No, I don't want invalid markup. |
| 02:05 | What I want is to open a tag and not close it. | |
| 02:05 | Yet. | |
| 02:06 | wizzyrea | oh. no idea. |
| 02:06 | * dcook | has a similar problem perhaps |
| 02:06 | eythian | I don't know of HTML having a zero-width space |
| 02:06 | jcamins | So since I can't do that, the next best thing is to have an invisible space that allows me to type inside the tags. |
| 02:06 | libsysguy | ​ |
| 02:06 | wizzyrea | well an invisible span would do. |
| 02:06 | libsysguy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-width_space |
| 02:07 | jcamins | wizzyrea: except I can't type in an invisible span either. |
| 02:07 | I already have an element. The problem is that elements with no character data can't be typed in. | |
| 02:07 | * libsysguy | goes to talk to Harry Potter |
| 02:07 | libsysguy | did you try the link? |
| 02:08 | jcamins | Well done. ​ did it. |
| 02:08 | * libsysguy | considers deleting my atlassian box for Koha |
| 02:08 | libsysguy | excellent |
| 02:10 | jcamins | Incidentally, the documentation for tinymce is rather disappointing. |
| 02:11 | libsysguy | i feel the same way about indexdata |
| 02:12 | jcamins | Oh, wait. |
| 02:12 | Looks like the documentation is good, but the link on the home page is wrong. | |
| 02:13 | libsysguy | okay server gone |
| 02:13 | cjh | wizzyrea++ |
| 02:32 | dcook | rangi: Looks like edit.layout.tt has some bad extra markup and IE doesn't like nested list elements without list start/end tags. While I want to blame IE, I suppose that does make a certain amount of sense :p |
| 02:32 | * dcook | will fix it after lunch |
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| 03:25 | bag | test |
| 03:26 | wizzyrea | it works |
| 03:28 | eythian | E for effort |
| 03:30 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 03:30 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #112: "gmcharlt: only superlibrarians can be trusted with capes" (added by wizzyrea at 09:17 PM, December 15, 2010) |
| 03:31 | jcamins | Grr. |
| 03:32 | I have a brilliant solution to my problem, and the javascript events are happening in the wrong order. | |
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| 03:42 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 03:42 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #58: "<jdavidb> I prefer killing bugs, not kitties." (added by gmcharlt at 04:38 PM, February 17, 2010) |
| 03:42 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 03:42 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #131: "oleonard Yeah, huginn. Perv." (added by Brooke at 04:09 PM, May 04, 2011) |
| 03:43 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 03:43 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #79: "<robin> drivers make windows crash, therefore windows makes drivers crash." (added by gmcharlt at 01:53 AM, June 24, 2010) |
| 03:43 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 03:43 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #163: "<oleonard> One nice thing about the real Koha is you don't have to call someone to get it." (added by wizzyrea at 08:05 PM, November 10, 2011) |
| 03:43 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 03:43 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #76: "<owen> yes, it's all part of my plan to take over the world." (added by chris_n at 03:50 PM, June 02, 2010) |
| 03:43 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 03:43 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #73: "<chris_n> owen: try /msg munin identify nick password" (added by owen at 12:38 PM, April 29, 2010) |
| 03:43 | cjh | all the quotes |
| 03:43 | wizzyrea | GET ALL OF THEM. |
| 03:44 | * wizzyrea | ponders @quote get all |
| 03:44 | wizzyrea | decides against it. |
| 03:44 | that would be the sort of thing where I'd do it, and it would either spam the channel, at which point I'd run away giggling, or do nothing. And I'd have to sulk. | |
| 03:45 | @quote random | |
| 03:45 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #206: "There's a bug for that" (added by chrisc at 11:55 PM, May 24, 2012) |
| 03:45 | wizzyrea | eythian: what's the magic to have wahanui give one of a number of responses |
| 03:45 | eythian | "also" |
| 03:46 | X is also Y | |
| 03:46 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 03:46 | eythian | err |
| 03:46 | oh well | |
| 03:46 | wizzyrea | forget x |
| 03:46 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot x |
| 03:46 | wizzyrea | be rangi is also There's a bug for that |
| 03:46 | wahanui | okay, wizzyrea. |
| 03:46 | wizzyrea | be rangi |
| 03:46 | wahanui | Send a patch! |
| 03:46 | wizzyrea | be rangi |
| 03:46 | wahanui | Send a patch! |
| 03:46 | eythian | but that was an also, so there may have been mysterious knowledge hidden in that factoid. |
| 03:47 | wizzyrea | you have the log ^.^ |
| 03:47 | x is 42 | |
| 03:47 | there. | |
| 03:47 | now there is mysterious knowledge there. | |
| 03:47 | x? | |
| 03:47 | eythian | no, that didn't work |
| 03:47 | wizzyrea | doesn't work anyway :) |
| 03:47 | eythian | it was too short to record. |
| 03:48 | wizzyrea | ha |
| 03:48 | can you tell the ones that are <reply> to have more than one reply? | |
| 03:48 | eythian | yep |
| 03:49 | wizzyrea | is also doesn't seem to work |
| 03:49 | eythian | it's random |
| 03:49 | wahanui: be rangi | |
| 03:49 | wahanui | Send a patch! |
| 03:49 | eythian | wahanui: be rangi |
| 03:49 | wahanui | i think be rangi is There's a bug for that |
| 03:49 | wizzyrea | oh so we would have to say <reply> there's a bug for that |
| 03:49 | eythian | yep |
| 03:49 | wizzyrea | gotya |
| 03:49 | you bot whisperer you | |
| 03:50 | eythian | wahanui: be rangi =~ s/There/<reply>There/ |
| 03:50 | wahanui | OK, eythian |
| 03:50 | wizzyrea | see above. |
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| 03:55 | vkm | Hello dear all is it possible to implement googletransliteration in koha staff client so that i can feed entry in local language during cataloguing? |
| 03:58 | cjh | vkm: your language may alrady be supported in Koha, have a look at http://translate.koha-community.org/ |
| 03:58 | sorry, already* | |
| 03:59 | jcamins | vkm: so far as I know that has not actually been implemented, no. |
| 03:59 | cjh | although it may be possible with a browser plugin |
| 04:00 | jcamins | ^^ that's what I'd suggest. |
| 04:00 | * jcamins | calls it a night. |
| 04:24 | dcook | Ok, maybe IE is weird :p |
| 04:24 | Correction: super weird | |
| 04:49 | * dcook | has vanquished the edit-layout template of the Patron Card Creator. |
| 04:50 | dcook | Take that, IE! |
| 04:50 | No longer shall users of IE cringe to look at you...in this particular context... | |
| 06:01 | Bug 9603 has a lot of insertions/deletions, but most of those are actually just whitespace changes. There should only be a few deleted fieldset/li elements, and inserted ol elements... | |
| 06:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9603 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Fix layout of Patron Card Creator Layout screen for display in IE |
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| 06:16 | dcook | Hey cait |
| 06:17 | cait | morning |
| 06:41 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:42 | dcook | I really need to sign off on more patches...it took me ages to remember how to do 9545 with git bz |
| 06:42 | * magnuse | remembers back to the hard old days before git bz... ;-) |
| 06:51 | dcook | :p |
| 06:59 | Anyway, I'm off for the night | |
| 06:59 | Cheers! | |
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| 07:20 | alex_a | Bonjour |
| 07:20 | wahanui | salut, alex_a |
| 07:27 | magnuse | bonjour alex_a et laurence |
| 07:27 | alex_a | hello magnuse |
| 07:27 | laurence | hell magnuse |
| 07:28 | cait | bonjour :) |
| 07:32 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
| 07:32 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 4.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 13, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:32 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 07:32 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 13, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:32 | magnuse | forecast says we will get +4 on sunday... |
| 07:32 | @wunder konstanz | |
| 07:32 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -3.2°C (8:30 AM CET on February 13, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:33 | magnuse | hah! |
| 07:33 | ;-) | |
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| 07:43 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 07:43 | cait | still snow here |
| 07:43 | hi drojf | |
| 07:44 | drojf | hi cait |
| 07:44 | @wunder berlin, germany | |
| 07:44 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -0.5°C (8:43 AM CET on February 13, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:48 | cait | i win.. |
| 07:48 | hmpf | |
| 07:48 | and have to go now - bbl :) | |
| 07:48 | drojf | congratulations :) |
| 07:49 | cait | hmpf hmpf :) |
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| 07:58 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:58 | wahanui | hi, reiveune |
| 08:03 | drojf | good morning france ;) |
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| 08:13 | magnuse | kia ora kf! |
| 08:13 | kf | hi magnuse :) |
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| 08:19 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:24 | kf | hi gaetan_B |
| 08:25 | gaetan_B | hallo kf :) wie geht's? |
| 08:25 | kf | ganz gut :) freue mich schon auf marseille :) |
| 08:28 | magnuse | wir freuen uns! |
| 08:29 | kf | magnuse++ :) |
| 08:29 | correct german in the morning | |
| 08:30 | magnuse | heh, pure luck! |
| 08:50 | drojf | lol |
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| 09:45 | gaetan_B | xslt are handled differently on the results and detail page |
| 09:45 | namely | |
| 09:45 | the XSLTParse4Display function is called with different parameters | |
| 09:46 | on the result page we send "1" for the fixampersand parameter, but we don't send anything for this parameter on the detail page | |
| 09:46 | is there a reason for this ? | |
| 09:46 | this breaks the display for some records | |
| 09:46 | namely those containing the "<" and ">" characters | |
| 09:47 | which are then rendered as <: and > on results pages | |
| 09:47 | (this could possibly affect other characters) | |
| 09:47 | we could fix this quickly by not sending this parameter for displaying results | |
| 09:47 | but i'm wondering why we do it in the first place | |
| 09:47 | maybe there's a better solution | |
| 09:51 | sophie_m | kf magnuse : ich freue mich auch :-) |
| 09:51 | kf | :) |
| 09:51 | magnuse | sophie_m: yay! |
| 09:52 | kf | gaetan_B: do you have a second? I think I fixed this in one of our installations |
| 09:52 | gaetan_B: we have one with manuscripts and they make use of < a lot | |
| 09:53 | gaetan_B | kf: i definitely have a second for this :) |
| 09:53 | kf | ok |
| 09:54 | I made a change to XSLT.pm | |
| 09:54 | becuase the sequence was the problem | |
| 09:54 | and I think I copied it from some other place... but not sure where from | |
| 09:55 | gaetan_B: not sure if this is the best way to fix it - but they haven't had any other complaints since :) http://paste.koha-community.org/391 | |
| 09:56 | gaetan_B | i see |
| 09:56 | my assumption was the line $xmlrecord =~ s/\& /\&\; /; was teh one causing the problem | |
| 09:56 | *the | |
| 09:56 | kf | yes |
| 09:56 | it fixes the & | |
| 09:56 | but it breaks the < > at the same time | |
| 09:57 | * kf | tries to remember |
| 09:57 | gaetan_B | but what you added comes before that line, so would it really make a difference ? |
| 09:57 | kf | in the source code it looked something like: &lt because it was already an entity and the & was replaced by mistake |
| 09:58 | I think the replace is not clever, it replaces all ampersands, so if there is already an entity in the output, it gets broken | |
| 09:59 | I think it's probably something to do with not being able to use < > and & in XML? | |
| 10:02 | hope I make some sense here... | |
| 10:04 | bbiab | |
| 10:06 | gaetan_B | ok thanks kf, that should help :) |
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| 10:12 | sophie_m | gaetan_B: Bug 3323 deals with your pb |
| 10:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3323 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, nahuel.angelinetti, CLOSED FIXED, Reserves in issuing rules |
| 10:13 | sophie_m | oups Bug 3326 gaetan_B |
| 10:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3326 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, xml entity refs display incorrectly in results page if exported and indexed as xml |
| 10:13 | kf | sophie_m++ :) |
| 10:14 | sophie_m: from looking at it it might only have fixed the &? | |
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| 10:15 | sophie_m | yes kf, but as you said, I think the patch to correct ampersand has broken <> |
| 10:15 | kf | aah |
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| 10:15 | kf | ok, now really afk :) |
| 10:16 | ashimema | quick question for people... |
| 10:16 | anyone useing the sru server with DOM indexing? | |
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| 10:16 | alohabot | Hi mib_q6munk, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
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| 10:17 | ashimema | The results are of a completely different format to those of the old chr indexing.. just wondered if that's actualyl right. |
| 10:18 | ambars | Greetings! I'm just getting started with koha for a small new library. I've installed koha and am playing around with it. The library does not yet have a catalog and we have to build it from scratch. |
| 10:19 | drojf | ambars: that's cool |
| 10:19 | ashimema | @ambars: good luck.. |
| 10:19 | huginn | ashimema: I suck |
| 10:20 | drojf | lol. using @ confuses the bot ;) |
| 10:20 | ashimema | oops |
| 10:20 | ambars | We're looking to import catalog entries somehow. I have tried out the z39.50 search, and it works for some books. I'm looking for a way to search and import MARC records given an ISBN number (that I can scan from the bar code). |
| 10:21 | I have no experience with cataloging, so what it the typical way to create a catalog? | |
| 10:21 | drojf | hm. you might be needing different z39.50 servers (that carry the things you have in your collection) |
| 10:22 | for us it is importing stuff from another database. i have never done that from scratch. how many records are we talking about? | |
| 10:23 | ambars | drojf: thanks, yes I tried that. I added a few z39.50 servers that are more relevant to our library (Indian books, hence I added 2 Indian z39.50 servers). This helped get better results in the search, but there are still several gaps. |
| 10:24 | About 1000 - 2000 books | |
| 10:24 | and the same number of records. | |
| 10:25 | The librarian has a goal of being able to scan the bar code off a book and auto-magically getting the MARC record for importing... is that available or even feasible? :) | |
| 10:26 | drojf | if there is some kind of index that lists all indian books (like a national library) but does not offer z39.59, you could try to write some script to grab the data for those books you dont get otherwise |
| 10:26 | ambars: there has to be a marc record available for that. so someone must have created it | |
| 10:26 | if not, no way | |
| 10:28 | you might want to ask on the mailing list for other koha libraries in india. i think there are a lot, maybe they can give you more advice on sources for the data you need | |
| 10:29 | ambars | I see. Cool. |
| 10:29 | Is it typical to create MARC records manually? There are so many fields to fill in! | |
| 10:30 | I guess it's unavoidable for some very old books that we have in our collection... they don't seem to have MARC records in any of the (few) servers that I tried so far... | |
| 10:31 | drojf | that depends. i think z39.50 i used a lot, but there are not servers available for everything. it also depends on cataloguing guidelines. if you have very strict rules to match, you might want to do it manually too |
| 10:33 | also i heard of people that actually love cataloguing in MARC, they would do it too ;) | |
| 10:34 | ambars | lol cool |
| 10:36 | Are you aware of any attempts at scraping/getting book information from Amazon or the Google Books APIs or some other programmatic approach? | |
| 10:36 | I bet such an approach wouldn't be able to retrieve a minimal sufficient set of MARC parameters, right? | |
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| 10:38 | drojf | you might want to take a look at dpavlins slides from kohacon http://www.slideshare.net/dpav[…]port-it-into-koha |
| 10:40 | * ambars | checks out the slides |
| 10:42 | drojf | there should be a video |
| 10:42 | @later tell slef what happened to the kohacon videos? i can only find on archive.org? | |
| 10:42 | huginn | drojf: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:43 | drojf | @later tell slef …only find 3 |
| 10:43 | huginn | drojf: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:45 | drojf | ambars: https://github.com/dpavlin/Biblio-Z3950 |
| 10:47 | magnuse | gaetan_B, kf: bug 9522 sounds similar to what you were talking about earlier too, perhaps? |
| 10:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9522 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Koha returns <, >, etc in the record instead of <, >, etc when fulfilling a Z39.50 request |
| 10:50 | ambars | awesome, thanks! |
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| 11:31 | gaetan_B | thanks magnuse this must be the same problem |
| 11:31 | which means this comes from zebra i guess | |
| 11:34 | kf | it does |
| 11:34 | galen says soemthing like that in the other bugt too | |
| 11:34 | * kf | waves |
| 11:35 | kf | back |
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| 11:53 | magnuse | namaste paul_p |
| 11:53 | paul_p | namaste magnuse ;-) |
| 11:54 | kf | namaste paul_p |
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| 12:04 | magnuse | paul_p: any koha action in india today? ;-) |
| 12:05 | paul_p | magnuse to say something not recorded by the bot, it's [OFF] at the beginning, right ? |
| 12:05 | kf | yes |
| 12:05 | logs? | |
| 12:05 | wahanui | i heard logs was http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 12:07 | * magnuse | gets curious ;-) |
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| 12:09 | ambars | paul_p: are you from india? |
| 12:10 | * ambars | is from bangalore |
| 12:10 | magnuse | ambars: paul_p is very french, he just happens to be in india at the moment :-) |
| 12:11 | drojf | "very" french? :) |
| 12:11 | kf | very french... nicely said :) |
| 12:11 | paul_p++ for being a very french world traveller .) | |
| 12:11 | paul_p | ambars nope, I'm (very) french, I'm just in Delhi for a week for ICAL2013 conference |
| 12:12 | * magnuse | hopes there will be cheese for lunch in marseille this year too, btw :-) |
| 12:15 | drojf | i bet there will be cheese all day, every day |
| 12:15 | (one reason i cannot come :P) | |
| 12:17 | i guess i am not very french | |
| 12:17 | magnuse | hehe |
| 12:17 | i might be? | |
| 12:17 | * magnuse | loves cheese |
| 12:17 | drojf | brunost is not real cheese :D |
| 12:18 | kf | magnuse: there was some lunch plan in the hackfest google docs |
| 12:18 | but I was missing the buffet on the beach a little bit on thursday | |
| 12:19 | * magnuse | loves all kinds of cheese |
| 12:20 | magnuse | kf: gah, i never looked beyond the first sheet in the spreadsheet... |
| 12:20 | drojf | heh you missed the important part |
| 12:20 | kf | magnuse: heh |
| 12:20 | magnuse | guess so... |
| 12:20 | ambars | paul_p: i see... hope you're having fun in delhi :) |
| 12:20 | magnuse | kf: yeah, the "asian" lunch was nice |
| 12:20 | kf | i think the workshops list needs updating a bit :) but apart from that I hope it's up to date |
| 12:20 | magnuse | but a bit hard to organize with lots and lots of people, perhaps? |
| 12:22 | paul_p | ambars yes, Delhi is a wonderfull city (even if I've 45mn-1H driving from hotel to conf center twice a day. Well that makes me see what is real India :D ) |
| 12:22 | ambars and indian ppl are definetly nice people, always willing to help ! | |
| 12:22 | ambars | happy to hear that :) |
| 12:23 | paul_p | magnuse & kf = well the "lunch" tab is mostly the 2012 one. For sure we will have one cheese lunch, but still undecided for other lunches. |
| 12:23 | kf | I loved the lebanon one too - but not sure what's doable :) |
| 12:23 | we trust you to feed us well I guess :) | |
| 12:24 | * magnuse | trusts paul_p in questions of food :-) |
| 12:24 | * paul_p | hope he's not trusted only for food questions ;-) |
| 12:25 | magnuse | mohaha ;-) |
| 12:25 | kf | hehe |
| 12:25 | well.... ;) | |
| 12:26 | only joking :) really looking forward to a week of koha development | |
| 12:26 | jcamins_away | And particularly testing, QAing, and fixing. :) |
| 12:27 | kf | jcamins_away: especially that :) |
| 12:27 | * magnuse | will concentrate on that |
| 12:28 | kf | hope to fix some bugs and maybe the german installer |
| 12:28 | adding new things to the sample files and the like | |
| 12:28 | and of course QA | |
| 12:31 | jcamins_away: fixing the german installer is like... writing the manual... documentation ... right? ;) | |
| 12:31 | yeah, you can say no :) | |
| 12:32 | jcamins | I suppose. |
| 12:32 | kf | there might not even be something to be done, but it's on my list to check |
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| 13:01 | Herwig | Hey Koha |
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| 13:16 | oleonard | So, #koha. |
| 13:17 | magnuse | yea, oleonard? |
| 13:17 | oleonard | I dunno. |
| 13:17 | magnuse | ah |
| 13:21 | drojf | it's good that we talked that over |
| 13:22 | magnuse | yup |
| 13:27 | oleonard | Anyone who missed it before: We are seeking opinions on Bug 8662 |
| 13:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8662 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Remove unused famfamfam icons |
| 13:31 | kf | oleonard: :) |
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| 14:04 | oleonard | You'll be at the hackfest in Marseille this year magnuse? |
| 14:05 | Dyrcona | gmcharlt: Why can't Evergreen have hackfests in Marseilles? :p |
| 14:07 | * oleonard | gets the jQuery tooltip widget working, after a bit of a struggle |
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| 14:11 | jcamins | oleonard: do you know of any reason to choose jQueryUI's autocomplete over Bootstrap's typeahead or vice versa? |
| 14:12 | kf | oleonard++ :) |
| 14:12 | oleonard | jcamins: In Koha? |
| 14:12 | jcamins | oleonard: in general. |
| 14:12 | I'm working on a non-Koha project right now. | |
| 14:12 | kf | jcamins: scandalous! |
| 14:12 | oleonard | I haven't tried Bootstrap's typeahead, so I can't say anything about it. I would pick jQueryUI's in Koha because we already use it. |
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| 14:17 | kf | @later tell drojf - ping me when you are around? |
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| 14:22 | magnuse | oleonard: yep, will you? :-) |
| 14:23 | oleonard | Sadly no magnuse. I'm going to try really hard to swing it next year. |
| 14:24 | magnuse: Then we'll test my theory that only one of us can be in Marseille at the same time ;) | |
| 14:24 | magnuse | oleonard: w00t! fingers crossed |
| 14:24 | ah, you were there last year? | |
| 14:24 | oleonard | yes, thanks to paul_p's (and Biblibre's) generous sponsorship |
| 14:25 | I had a great time and it kills me I can't be there this year | |
| 14:25 | magnuse | awww... |
| 14:25 | biblibre++ | |
| 14:26 | * magnuse | preps his vm for taking a stab at testing bug 9250 |
| 14:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9250 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Provide commands to allow handling of SIP servers in the packages |
| 14:27 | oleonard | Indeed. |
| 14:27 | biblibre++ | |
| 14:31 | kf | biblibre++ |
| 14:31 | * kf | had a great time with oleonard there too |
| 14:32 | * magnuse | hopes to make it to reno... |
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| 15:04 | magnuse | huh? "The following packages have unmet dependencies: libdigest-jhash-perl : Depends: perlapi-5.10.1 but it is not installable" i'm on perl v5.14.2 |
| 15:07 | jcamins | magnuse: it's a architecture thing. |
| 15:07 | magnuse | dang |
| 15:07 | jcamins | i386 vs. amd64 |
| 15:07 | magnuse | the multiarch thing that i know nothing about? |
| 15:07 | any workarounds? | |
| 15:07 | (i'm inside pbuilder in a vm) | |
| 15:08 | jcamins | Well, libdigest-jhash-perl and the CHI packages are entirely unnecessary. |
| 15:08 | If you're rolling your own packages, you can just remove them from the control file. | |
| 15:08 | magnuse | ah |
| 15:08 | nice | |
| 15:08 | jcamins | There's a patch for master to do that which I will do shortly. |
| 15:08 | *push | |
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| 15:08 | magnuse | yay |
| 15:08 | jcamins | And by "shortly" I mean "when I get to it." |
| 15:09 | magnuse | hehe, don't we all ;-) |
| 15:10 | Dyrcona | "If" I get to it? |
| 15:13 | * magnuse | runs build-git-snapshot again |
| 15:13 | jcamins | magnuse: oh, wait... are you signing off on things? |
| 15:13 | magnuse | jcamins: trying to... |
| 15:14 | bug 9250 was the plan | |
| 15:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9250 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Provide commands to allow handling of SIP servers in the packages |
| 15:14 | jcamins | Your life will be made much easier by applying bug 9592 first. |
| 15:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9592 minor, P3, ---, robin, Passed QA , Package dependency updates for master |
| 15:14 | jcamins | Sorry I didn't think of it sooner, but if the build fails again, that patch is known to fix it. |
| 15:14 | And you can confirm it works. :) | |
| 15:14 | magnuse | ah, cool |
| 15:14 | we'll see :-) | |
| 15:15 | * magnuse | does not expect jcamins to think of everything, all the time ;-) |
| 15:16 | magnuse | jcamins: i get a lot of dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libanyevent-http-perl libanyevent-perl libauthen-cas-client-perl - is that the sort of thing that 9592 will fix? |
| 15:16 | jcamins | It fixes several of those, but it sounds like you're missing the squeeze-dev repo in your pbuilder environment. |
| 15:17 | magnuse | or i'm missing the right command for updating inside pbuilder... |
| 15:18 | jcamins | I always have trouble with that. |
| 15:18 | magnuse | i did apt upgrade and dist-upgrade, but nothing to tell pbuilder about any new koha dependencies |
| 15:18 | jcamins | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_Debian_Packages |
| 15:19 | Something to do with --othermirror | |
| 15:19 | Exactly what I am not sure. | |
| 15:19 | magnuse | ah, that looks promising, perhaps |
| 15:20 | it's been a long time since i built packages - didn't need to for all of 3.8.x | |
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| 15:32 | oleonard | Looks like the differences between jQueryUI and Bootstrap tooltips are mostly cosmetic. The code is almost identical. |
| 15:32 | jQueryUI: http://www.screencast.com/t/2kYLbtFvmBg | |
| 15:33 | Bootstrap: http://www.screencast.com/t/8oGFTTZPK | |
| 15:33 | * magnuse | runs build-git-snapshot again |
| 15:38 | oleonard | I should have learned by now, but my god IE is a terrible browser |
| 15:38 | It's just. So. Awful. | |
| 15:38 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 15:38 | It is indeed. | |
| 15:38 | kf | ts, drofj is never around when youneed him. |
| 15:39 | oleonard: agreed | |
| 15:39 | magnuse | beware of the dark side, they have um... terrible tools |
| 15:40 | oleonard | A browser written by the same guys who wrote the OS it runs on... Shouldn't it at the very least be fast? |
| 15:41 | magnuse | or written by different divisions that don't talk to each other... |
| 16:03 | rambutan | I wish something like Konqueror was available on Win (file manager + browser). |
| 16:04 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:05 | oleonard | rambutan: isn't that one of the things that made earlier versions of IE so insecure? |
| 16:07 | rambutan | Win is insecure by design. If anyone wishes to use Windows, IMHO they should accept that. My statement was simply my desire for increased functionality when I have to use Windows. |
| 16:08 | ...and that primarily as a sys admin | |
| 16:09 | Actually, now that you wound me up, I wish they would port KDE to run as a windowing shell on top of the Win OS. | |
| 16:12 | Dyrcona | rambutan: Why bother? Just use GNU/Linux on your desktop. I do. |
| 16:13 | Ah, don't mind me. Didn't read far enough back. :) | |
| 16:16 | rambutan | Yea, for anything personal, and all _my_ computers at work it's only Linux. But at the library the users can only use Windows, and my duty is to support them. |
| 16:16 | magnuse | jcamins: the package building at least finnished and left me with some .deb files after i applied the patches from Bug 9592 :-) |
| 16:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9592 minor, P3, ---, robin, Passed QA , Package dependency updates for master |
| 16:16 | jcamins | Yay! |
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| 16:26 | drojf | jcamins: while fixing sru in zebra, can you add json output? thanks! :) |
| 16:26 | jcamins | drojf: I'm not doing anything with SRU in Zebra. |
| 16:26 | drojf | aaaw |
| 16:26 | kf | drojf: of course... now you show up |
| 16:26 | drojf | huh? |
| 16:27 | when was i supposed toß | |
| 16:27 | ? | |
| 16:27 | oleonard | When she wished it |
| 16:27 | kf | oleonard: exactly! |
| 16:27 | :) | |
| 16:31 | drojf | you didn't wish loud enough :) |
| 16:58 | kf | bye all :) |
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| 17:00 | * oleonard | wonders if people really use the js-driven keyboard shortcuts in Koha |
| 17:01 | drojf | i don't think i knew about them :) |
| 17:01 | * jcamins | didn't know there were. |
| 17:01 | drojf | is that documented in the manual? or is that more a thing that web developers find when cleaning the code? |
| 17:02 | oleonard | I think a long long time ago we had visual indicators in the interface indicating them |
| 17:02 | Alt-Q to check out, Alt-R to check in, Alt-Q to Search | |
| 17:03 | Sorry, Alt-U to check out | |
| 17:03 | jcamins | I'm having some problems capturing Ctrl-Enter, though. |
| 17:03 | drojf | wow. i definitely never knew that |
| 17:04 | oleonard | http://manual.koha-community.o[…]tml#keyboardshort |
| 17:05 | I'm thinking about it because the jQuery plugin to make them possible is one which blocks our upgrade to the latest version of jQuery | |
| 17:06 | jcamins | Wait, what? |
| 17:06 | wahanui | i guess Wait, is it only in items? |
| 17:06 | jcamins | jquery.hotkeys doesn't work with the latest jQuery? |
| 17:06 | drojf | hm. that is bad for a feature that possibly nobody uses. on the other hand, i bet there is this one library that hates computer mice and barcode scanners that only checks out that way |
| 17:06 | rambutan | sometimes wahanui is more trouble than she's worth |
| 17:08 | drojf | wait, there is missing backwards compatability with jquery updates? i'm shocked |
| 17:08 | oleonard | jquery.hotkeys uses a property ($.browser) which has been deprecated since jQuery 1.3 and removed in 1.9 |
| 17:08 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 17:08 | oleonard | Several of our plugins (including tablesorter) use it |
| 17:08 | jcamins | The latest release was less than a month ago, too. |
| 17:09 | oleonard | That's one of the reasons for all the DataTables patches from me |
| 17:10 | jcamins | Oh well. I will worry about making my shortcuts work when the tinyMCE editor is not selected after I've made saving work _in_ TinyMCE. |
| 17:13 | oleonard | We'll need to upgrade the datatables plugin too. We're several versions behind. |
| 17:13 | But at least it has an upgraded version, unlike tablesorter | |
| 17:16 | we'll have to replace the qtip plugin too... | |
| 17:16 | * oleonard | starts making notes in addition to talking to himself |
| 17:16 | oleonard | jquery.textarea-expander.js? |
| 17:17 | jcamins | What's qtip do? |
| 17:18 | oleonard | There are one or two places in acquisitions that uses it... Fancy tooltips |
| 17:18 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 17:24 | oleonard | Good, I see jsTree has an upgraded version |
| 17:29 | Boy, code.google.com sure got its ass kicked by GitHub | |
| 17:30 | jcamins | It sure did. |
| 17:30 | libsysguy | indeed |
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| 17:39 | tcohen | hi cait |
| 17:39 | cait | hi tcohen :) |
| 17:40 | tcohen | have a question regarding material type icons |
| 17:40 | there are several bugs related to staff interface, using default XSLT | |
| 17:40 | but I have a problem with 3.8.x, in the opac results page | |
| 17:40 | have you heard of it? | |
| 17:40 | i'm about to fill a bug otherwise | |
| 17:41 | jcamins | tcohen: what's the problem? |
| 17:41 | wahanui | somebody said the problem was it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. |
| 17:41 | tcohen | http://famaf.biblio.unc.edu.ar[…]earch.pl?q=spivak |
| 17:41 | jcamins | And the solution is almost certainly "tell your librarians to fill in the 008 correctly." |
| 17:41 | ... | |
| 17:41 | Wow. | |
| 17:41 | Never mind. | |
| 17:41 | wahanui | Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot. |
| 17:42 | oleonard | Installed via packages tcohen? |
| 17:42 | tcohen | no, standard install oleonard |
| 17:42 | oleonard | Oh, well then Bug 9502 isn't it. |
| 17:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9502 major, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , famfamfam: wrongly placed in package 3.8.8/9 |
| 17:42 | tcohen | the problem is with the images path in the XSLT |
| 17:43 | jcamins | oleonard: unless there's actually a broader problem, and it's not package-specific. |
| 17:43 | tcohen | oleonard, looks like the same problem |
| 17:43 | those famfam images where moved to lib/ | |
| 17:43 | (you did it, right? :D) | |
| 17:44 | jcamins | I think I did that. |
| 17:44 | tcohen | ok |
| 17:44 | so the problem is the XSLT's and not them being moved | |
| 17:44 | jcamins | Right. |
| 17:44 | tcohen | i'll attach a patch then |
| 17:45 | * oleonard | sees the same problem in 3.8.x |
| 17:45 | jcamins | Thanks! |
| 17:45 | tcohen++ | |
| 17:45 | tcohen | we are still on 3.8.x here |
| 17:45 | until *someone* tells on IRC that 3.10 is being used | |
| 17:45 | in production | |
| 17:45 | * jcamins | will not be telling you that any time soon. |
| 17:45 | * oleonard | guesses an XSLT patch backported from 3.10? |
| 17:46 | jcamins | oleonard: no, I think the famfamfam move was backported from 3.10. |
| 17:46 | Unless I have it backwards? | |
| 17:46 | oleonard | You're right |
| 17:46 | jcamins | Now I'm confused. |
| 17:46 | tcohen | maybe some xslt patch should be backported too, and was missed |
| 17:47 | gerundio | good afternoon, long time :D |
| 17:48 | got a MySQL trick question | |
| 17:48 | oleonard | I think so tcohen, but I can't imagine why |
| 17:48 | gerundio | in the script that generates the incremental barcode value we have the following query to get the biggest value: "select max(abs(barcode)) from items" |
| 17:48 | using max(abs()) returns strange results | |
| 17:48 | tcohen | oleonard: too much beer for the RMaint? |
| 17:48 | gerundio | shouldn't it be "select abs(max(barcode)) from items" instead or simply "select max(barcode) from items"? |
| 17:49 | * oleonard | sends more beer to RMaint to compensate |
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| 17:50 | jcamins | gerundio: max(abs(barcode)) makes more sense because it ensures that you have the absolute largest number regardless of sign. |
| 17:50 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 17:50 | tcohen | bug 8624 |
| 17:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8624 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , famfamfam should be outside theme directory |
| 17:50 | jcamins | Right... I'm not sure how that got into 3.8, actually. |
| 17:51 | mtompset | Greetings, tcohen and jcamins. :) |
| 17:51 | tcohen | hi mtompset |
| 17:52 | mtompset | rangi++ # nice reply email regarding the first step required before providing suggestions. |
| 17:52 | gerundio | jcamins, hmmm, does it make sense to use negative barcodes? |
| 17:52 | tcohen | jcamins: should i patch the xsl files? |
| 17:52 | jcamins | tcohen: I'd like to ask rangi about that. |
| 18:02 | gerundio | jcamins, just to add confusion to the subject, the barcode column is a varchar(20) |
| 18:02 | so max and abs return strange results | |
| 18:02 | jcamins | gerundio: right... max and abs are almost certainly the wrong things to use anyway. |
| 18:02 | But that's the reason for max(abs(barcode)) instead of one of the other two options. | |
| 18:05 | tcohen | jcamins, I attached a patch, obsolete it if rangi tells otherthing should be done, otherwise, use it. regards |
| 18:05 | jcamins | Sounds good. |
| 18:09 | rangi | tcohen: did you check unimarc and normarc too? |
| 18:09 | the patch only changes marc21 | |
| 18:09 | tcohen | i did big grep |
| 18:09 | rangi | cool |
| 18:09 | jcamins | rangi: what's weird is I can't see when the files got moved. |
| 18:10 | That patch doesn't seem to be in 3.8.x. | |
| 18:10 | rangi | its pre nov 2012 |
| 18:11 | tcohen | 95b4f31f |
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| 18:12 | jcamins | The last comment was Paul saying he thought it should be kept for 3.10 only, and git log does not show bug 8624 in kc/3.8.x. |
| 18:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8624 minor, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , famfamfam should be outside theme directory |
| 18:12 | rangi | bug 8614 |
| 18:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8614 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Icon for scores on OPAC detail page broken |
| 18:13 | rangi | git show b09836f252ef4f4119a462fcb023af08cd90629a |
| 18:16 | jcamins | Ah! |
| 18:18 | * mtompset | thinks git show rocks. :) |
| 18:19 | rangi | try this |
| 18:19 | git show --word-diff=color | |
| 18:20 | i have that aliased to git sh | |
| 18:20 | oleonard | Wow, nice! |
| 18:21 | rangi | 3.8.5 ?? |
| 18:21 | wahanui | i heard 3.8.5 was on schedule, i really want bug 8251 and bug 8246 |
| 18:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin |
| 18:22 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8246 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't delete bibs in big batch delete | |
| 18:22 | rangi | i hope the security fixes from 3.8.6 were backported |
| 18:22 | wrt that tweet | |
| 18:23 | jcamins | rangi: maybe a typo? |
| 18:23 | * rangi | looks |
| 18:24 | rangi | source reports 3.8.5 too |
| 18:25 | * jcamins | tried to be optimistic. |
| 18:28 | libsysguy | anybody around that could help me package up a cpan module to include in koha-common? |
| 18:28 | module -> http://search.cpan.org/~colins[…]ct/Interchange.pm | |
| 18:29 | jcamins | libsysguy: you just have to use dh-make-perl |
| 18:29 | libsysguy | oh? |
| 18:30 | well that is exactly what I read on debian-administration | |
| 18:30 | but I didn't believe them :p | |
| 18:33 | wow this is exceedingly easy..thank goodness | |
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| 18:35 | * cait | waves |
| 18:36 | * libsysguy | waives back |
| 18:36 | mtompset | Hi, cait! Long time no chat. :) |
| 18:37 | Greetings, libsysguy. | |
| 18:37 | libsysguy | sup mtompset |
| 18:37 | mtompset | Writing a newsletter. |
| 18:37 | rangi | hi cait |
| 18:37 | cait | hi mtompset, hi rangi |
| 18:38 | mtompset | Hoping to try to figure out dh-make-perl. :) |
| 18:38 | libsysguy | okay…now that I have a package…how do I get it into koha-common |
| 18:38 | mtompset thats what I just did :D | |
| 18:45 | gaetan_B | bye |
| 18:49 | rangi | libsysguy: install it, and update apt-file then run the script to update the control file |
| 18:50 | libsysguy | ah |
| 18:50 | rangi | you mean add it as a dependency eh? |
| 18:50 | libsysguy | well |
| 18:50 | I need to do that as well | |
| 18:50 | but I had to build the package as well | |
| 18:50 | rangi | http://search.cpan.org/~bessar[…]st/Whitespaces.pm |
| 18:50 | for you | |
| 18:50 | libsysguy | don't we have a repo to koha packages that aren't in the standard debian repo? |
| 18:51 | rangi | yes |
| 18:51 | talk to eythian about that | |
| 18:51 | libsysguy | did I have another patch with whitespace problems? |
| 18:51 | I thought I had that resolved | |
| 18:52 | rangi | no, you were complaining about tabs or something |
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| 18:53 | libsysguy | ah yes…i prefer tabs :p |
| 18:54 | rangi | lol |
| 18:54 | libsysguy | then i can define my own widths |
| 18:54 | rangi | that's precisely what is wrong with them :) |
| 18:54 | libsysguy | heh |
| 18:54 | well if you commit them as tabs, then you editor can make the decision on how to display them | |
| 18:55 | so if your a 2 spacer or an 8 spacer you're happy | |
| 18:55 | rangi | ahh, you really should have been at the style training |
| 18:55 | libsysguy | :p |
| 18:55 | * libsysguy | is still a young un' |
| 18:55 | rangi | no, thats not how it works in practice, unless you have control over every editors setting on every machine you ever log in to |
| 18:55 | gmcharlt | sadly, us 3.5 spacers are never acommodated ;) |
| 18:56 | rangi | spaces are consistent |
| 18:57 | libsysguy | :'( |
| 18:57 | inconsistent_spacing-- | |
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| 19:00 | rangi | that's why you have a style guide :) |
| 19:06 | * magnuse | gets a sudden urge to call talljoy |
| 19:08 | cait | heh |
| 19:08 | don't think about pink elephants? | |
| 19:09 | magnuse | cait: :-) |
| 19:11 | jcamins | In a highly unusual turn of events, I _actually took some books out of the library_! |
| 19:11 | cait | ! |
| 19:12 | rangi | hmm apart from books for the kids |
| 19:12 | its been hmm 16 years or so since i did | |
| 19:12 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 19:13 | rangi | 97 i finished my second degree, it would have been then |
| 19:13 | * jcamins | thinks there is a lesson here for libraries. |
| 19:13 | rangi | ill show you why i never use the wellington city libraries |
| 19:14 | cait | oh please noooo |
| 19:14 | not the opac!! | |
| 19:14 | rangi | http://www.wcl.govt.nz/easyfind/?q=the%20the |
| 19:14 | * cait | hides |
| 19:14 | rangi | they have 4 |
| 19:14 | 4!!! the the albums | |
| 19:14 | but you'd never know | |
| 19:14 | unless you jump through hoops to find them | |
| 19:15 | magnuse | jcamins: Bug 9250 forgets to add the new commands to the koha-common manpage. should i fail qa and force eythian to do it or would you be ok with me providing a followup on the same bug along with my signoff (hopefully)? |
| 19:15 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9250 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Provide commands to allow handling of SIP servers in the packages |
| 19:15 | oleonard | But look how easy it is to search for "thu" and "thi!" |
| 19:15 | jcamins | magnuse: I'd be fine with a follow-up. |
| 19:15 | magnuse | oooh, flash... |
| 19:15 | rangi | http://www.wcl.govt.nz/carlweb[…]p/search_page.jsp |
| 19:15 | magnuse | jcamins: ok, thanks. hopefully tomorrow! |
| 19:15 | rangi | the actual opac is no better than the discovery layer |
| 19:16 | * magnuse | wanders off |
| 19:16 | rangi | spending my rates on that ... AWESOME! |
| 19:16 | cya magnuse | |
| 19:16 | oleonard | Wow rangi, that page uses frames! |
| 19:16 | rangi | carl2 from TLC |
| 19:17 | hmm actually now its carlx | |
| 19:17 | it didnt get better | |
| 19:17 | probably the librarians can fudgitate the flumorix shiggery on the leader position 12 or something now | |
| 19:18 | but really, i dont give a crap about the staff interface as one of the 400k potential users | |
| 19:18 | serve us, before the 60 or so librarians | |
| 19:19 | jcamins | rangi: I highly doubt it. After all, I just discovered that a popular budget ILS doesn't support indicators in MARC records. |
| 19:19 | rangi | well carlx is NOT budget |
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| 19:20 | rangi | the staff interface might be super awesome |
| 19:20 | jcamins | No, but that doesn't mean it's any better designed. |
| 19:20 | rangi | but really, who cares |
| 19:20 | if people cant actually find things | |
| 19:20 | jcamins | I don't just mean "oh, it's not very convenient to specify indicators," I mean "THEY FORGOT TO PUT INDICATORS IN THEIR MARC RECORDS!" <-- caps necessary |
| 19:21 | rangi | librarians .. dont become the IT depts of the world :) |
| 19:21 | ok time to take the kids to school | |
| 19:21 | bbl | |
| 19:21 | jcamins | I figure if someone with a low budget can come up with that bright idea, someone with a high budget could come up with _much_ worse things to do to their staff clients. :) |
| 19:24 | mtompset | "doesn't support indicators in MARC records."?! What the?! |
| 19:24 | jcamins | mtompset: yeah, they just vanished when I tried to export records. Very weird. |
| 19:25 | Well, they never existed at all, but even with imported records I noticed that. | |
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| 19:38 | gmcharlt | for anybody following along with the record changes in MARC::File::XML, I'd appreciate feedback on https://sourceforge.net/p/marc[…]a16b28275dc/tree/ |
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| 19:39 | gmcharlt | (aka the use-xml-libxml-reader-cleaner branch of git://git.code.sf.net/p/marcpm/code |
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| 20:00 | rangi | back |
| 20:02 | bag | welcome back |
| 20:02 | wahanui | I hate jetlag. |
| 20:03 | cait | wb :) |
| 20:45 | rangi | argentian_koha_developers++ |
| 20:45 | hmm | |
| 20:45 | argentinian_koha_developers++ | |
| 20:45 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 20:47 | cait | heh |
| 20:50 | * gmcharlt | celebrates the rise of our new silver-plated Koha developer overlords! |
| 20:51 | rangi | heh |
| 20:52 | cait | ok, what did I miss? :) |
| 20:52 | gmcharlt | my bad pun on argent-ian :) |
| 20:52 | cait | ooh |
| 20:53 | got it :) | |
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| 20:59 | eythian | hi |
| 20:59 | drojf | ho |
| 20:59 | cait | hu? |
| 21:00 | libsysguy | @seen eythian |
| 21:01 | huginn | libsysguy: eythian was last seen in #koha 1 minute and 47 seconds ago: <eythian> hi |
| 21:01 | libsysguy | oh |
| 21:01 | eythan!! | |
| 21:01 | cait | lol |
| 21:01 | * oleonard | suspects libsysguy reads #koha with an unusually short scrollback |
| 21:01 | libsysguy | I have a package for you |
| 21:02 | hey oleonard I'll have you know my scrollback is of average length | |
| 21:02 | :p | |
| 21:03 | oleonard | libsysguy: If we're making that kind of joke I have a "That's what he said" retort for your package comment ;) |
| 21:03 | drojf | how many scrollbacks have you seen in your life? |
| 21:04 | libsysguy | hahahaha |
| 21:04 | well my package is for eythan. I just want to share it | |
| 21:04 | and drojf I…I got nothing for that one... | |
| 21:05 | oleonard | Gotta go. Keep it classy #koha |
| 21:05 | libsysguy | always oleonard |
| 21:07 | bag | heh |
| 21:07 | libsysguy | uh oh, sorry bag I'll get back to work :p |
| 21:08 | bag | sending around packages (HA) is working :P |
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| 21:09 | libsysguy | heh |
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| 21:15 | eythian | libsysguy: so I saw |
| 21:16 | libsysguy | eythian: is there somewhere I can put it so it ends up in Koha Common |
| 21:16 | eythian | best bet is to email me the details, I'll make a package for it and put it in the repo. If it has no weird dependencies, it's a fairly quick process |
| 21:17 | also make sure you add it to the kohadependencies.pl file, that way it'll automagically end up in the control file when I rebuild it. | |
| 21:19 | libsysguy | I already ran it through the dh-make-perl script |
| 21:19 | and built the package | |
| 21:19 | no weird deps so that wasn't a problem | |
| 21:19 | eythian | awesome |
| 21:20 | libsysguy: in that case it'll be a ~15 minute job for me to build and deploy everything :) | |
| 21:20 | libsysguy | excellent |
| 21:20 | I'll shoot you an email with the package that needs built | |
| 21:21 | eythian | sweet ta |
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| 21:43 | datadoctor | does anybody know off the top of their head, where keyword to MARC mappings get stored? |
| 21:46 | wizzyrea | schema? |
| 21:46 | wahanui | somebody said schema was tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org |
| 21:47 | bag | datadoctor: is it feildmapping? |
| 21:47 | sorry typo | |
| 21:47 | fieldmapping | |
| 21:47 | rangi | http://schema.koha-community.o[…]fieldmapping.html yep it is |
| 21:48 | datadoctor | Yes! Thank you bag |
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| 21:48 | eythian | libsysguy: |
| 21:48 | $ reprepro ls libbusiness-edifact-interchange-perl | |
| 21:48 | libbusiness-edifact-interchange-perl | 0.03-1~koha1 | squeeze | i386, amd64, source | |
| 21:48 | libbusiness-edifact-interchange-perl | 0.03-1 | squeeze-dev | i386, amd64, source | |
| 21:48 | libbusiness-edifact-interchange-perl | 0.03-1~oldstable1 | oldstable | i386, amd64, source | |
| 21:48 | uploaded | |
| 21:48 | bag | nice thanks eythian |
| 21:48 | libsysguy | gracias |
| 21:48 | bag | eythian++ |
| 21:49 | datadoctor | bag++ |
| 21:49 | :) | |
| 21:49 | bag | awwh shucks |
| 21:49 | :P | |
| 21:52 | datadoctor | Tech Services would like the 245h 'subtitle' to list after the 245p 'subtitle' in the item description - I think I can reorder the id's in the fieldmapping to make it work. |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | sure you can |
| 21:54 | cait | datadoctor: or just reenter them :P |
| 21:55 | schema? | |
| 21:55 | wahanui | schema is, like, tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org |
| 21:55 | cait | fieldmapping |
| 21:56 | datadoctor | Hmmm...I tried both methods, and although they reorder in the fieldmapping table, they don't reorder in the xslt block for results. I'll try looking at the schema. |
| 21:56 | Thanks wahanui! | |
| 21:57 | cait | arg I should read back |
| 21:57 | and I should even more go to bed :) | |
| 21:57 | bag++ | |
| 21:57 | and now I am gone :) night all! | |
| 21:57 | rangi | night |
| 21:57 | datadoctor | g'nite! |
| 21:57 | bag | night cait |
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| 21:59 | drojf | datadoctor: if you want to change the order in the xslt display, do your own xslt file instead of changing the mapping |
| 22:02 | datadoctor | Will that work if I want to make the change globally? |
| 22:02 | drojf | what do you mean by globally? |
| 22:03 | datadoctor | Like to put all [DVD] after Season #X. |
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| 22:04 | drojf | you have xslt files for result lists and single record display. both for opac and staff client, so that makes four files. you can change them all to your liking. whatever field orders you change in on of the files will be shown for all records in that view. does that make sense? |
| 22:05 | bag | drojf: I think both methods would work - either custom XSLT or keyword to mapping |
| 22:06 | drojf | bag: when i started with koha i was told not to touch the mapping if possible, so i sticked to that. but you are probably right |
| 22:06 | datadoctor | That does make sense. |
| 22:07 | I didn | |
| 22:08 | bag | drojf: not mapping - keyword |
| 22:08 | drojf | and you have more options with the xslt files of course. you can basically change everything, formatting and stuff |
| 22:08 | bag | Keywords to MARC mapping |
| 22:09 | datadoctor | In the search results and the item details, there is a subtitle field available for items. Keyword mapping allows one to add additional MARC fields to the subtitle. |
| 22:09 | bag | that doesn't change the mapping - but you are correct - you should not change the mapping (it's still hardcoded in some places - like the indexing files) |
| 22:10 | datadoctor | We add the medium, for example [DVD] and the part number, for example [DISC 5] |
| 22:10 | wizzyrea | yep, that's pretty common |
| 22:10 | datadoctor | Although those may be visible elsewhere, it makes it easier for Reference if they come up in the staff side search results. |
| 22:10 | And item details. | |
| 22:17 | Editing the xslt is easier said than done...thinking it is time to head home...zzzzzzzzzz | |
| 22:20 | Thanks for your collective help on this project, I will start on it again in the morning. Here's some music for your work. This has been powering me today: http://grooveshark.com/#!/sear[…]e+impala+lonerism | |
| 22:21 | rangi | https://soundcloud.com/lordemu[…]ts/the-love-club/ <-- 17 year old kid with a computer somewhere in nz |
| 22:22 | datadoctor | ^-^ |
| 22:23 | drojf | ah, the other mapping. sorry i got confused |
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| 22:30 | drojf | 4.3. Keywords to MARC Mapping: This tool only effects sites that are not using the XSLT Stylesheets. |
| 22:30 | how did that apply then if was using xslt? | |
| 22:30 | if he was | |
| 22:30 | now i'm even more confused :) | |
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| 22:35 | dcook | drojf: As far as I know, the Keywords to MARC Mapping only works with subtitle by default |
| 22:36 | Wait...I think I missed part of the conversation that might make the confusion more clear :p | |
| 22:37 | datadoctor | My colleague Jorge pointed out the xsl code to edit, and I was able to swap the order of the subtitle fields in the item detail and search results. Tech Services will be very pleased! |
| 22:37 | drojf | excellent :) |
| 22:37 | dcook: nevermind. it's working, let's not question anything :) | |
| 22:38 | dcook | Hehe. Good point. |
| 22:38 | Actually, I was thinking of making an enhancement where the Keywords to MARC Mapping would work without having to change code on the backend... | |
| 22:38 | datadoctor | Yes, it only works with the keyword mapping field name set to subtitle. |
| 22:39 | dcook | Although also having an enhancement where the MARC Bibliographic Frameworks actually fully work would also be good... |
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| 22:39 | datadoctor | However you can map multiple MARC subfields to the subtitle field name. |
| 22:39 | dcook | True, which is handy |
| 22:39 | datadoctor | They all show up in the results, but the xslt block orders them a certain way by default. |
| 22:39 | dcook | I've used the same mechanism to add in other fields as well, but I've had to add in the code in the Perl script to achieve the desired effect |
| 22:40 | Makes sense | |
| 22:40 | * dcook | would like to play around a bit more with xslt |
| 22:40 | datadoctor | For the bolded title and subtitle (Marc subfield 245) that order appears to be b,h,f,g,k,n,p,s |
| 22:41 | excuse me a,b,h,f,g,k,n,p,s - I guess that's alphabetical. | |
| 22:41 | wahanui | datadoctor: somebody was calculating pi on the server |
| 22:41 | datadoctor | nice |
| 22:43 | I read a great article on the Chudnovsky brothers - they built a supercomputer in their NY apartment to calculate the digits of pi. | |
| 22:44 | drojf | datadoctor: your alphabet is different from mine :) |
| 22:45 | datadoctor | <chuckles> yes, in my alphabet h comes before f! |
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| 22:47 | datadoctor | Here's the article on the Chudnovsky brothers, called "Mountains of Pi" http://www.davidabrahamson.com[…]i_NYer_2Mar92.pdf |
| 22:48 | It's a fun read. May we all someday have a supercomputer in our living room...running Koha! | |
| 22:51 | Maybe a built-in XSLT editor? | |
| 22:52 | * wizzyrea | notes the next version of koha is 3.14 |
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| 22:52 | drojf | wizzyrea: we need a lot of cool sub-versions ;) |
| 22:53 | wizzyrea | 3.14.15.9, for example |
| 22:53 | .79, I mean | |
| 22:53 | * eythian | takes back your geek card. |
| 22:53 | wizzyrea | actually ignore me. |
| 22:53 | drojf | that would actually be a naming scheme that easily beats the fork. we will only continue with more digits of pi. and never reach v4.0 |
| 22:53 | wizzyrea | NO |
| 22:53 | curses. | |
| 22:54 | i'm going to go back and hide now. | |
| 22:54 | eythian | The current version of TeX is 3.1415926 |
| 22:54 | cjh | that is awesome |
| 22:55 | maximep | no idea why I ever lost time learning those digits 3.14159265358979 |
| 22:56 | :S | |
| 22:56 | cjh | in my stats class as high school if anyone in the class could memorize enough of it the whole class would get treats, the more they memorized the better the treats. |
| 22:56 | s/as/in/; # ... | |
| 22:56 | eythian | some other part of the TeX system asymtotes version numbers to /e/. |
| 22:56 | maximep | weird teacher :S |
| 22:57 | cjh | we never made it to 'free lesson off with fish and chips' :( |
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| 22:58 | maximep | haha |
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| 23:00 | drojf | ah right, i forgot about tex version numbering. all cool stuff is done already :/ |
| 23:01 | eythian | http://mrcoles.com/demo/markdown-css/ <-- neat |
| 23:03 | wizzyrea | ohhhh! |
| 23:04 | drojf | heh |
| 23:04 | wizzyrea | that's fun acutally. |
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| 23:10 | bgkriegel | Hello |
| 23:10 | wahanui | hello, bgkriegel |
| 23:13 | drojf | so, openstreetmap routing can show me the way using public transportation, but it does not tell me which parts of the route is by what? that is… special? |
| 23:14 | Dyrcona | Kia ora! |
| 23:15 | Somebody needs to teach wahanui to parse Maori. | |
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