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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:03 | bgkriegel | dcook: a cronjob, or put to work koha-index-daemon-ctl.sh |
| 00:06 | dcook | Hmm, I don't even see that file anywhere. Is it debian specific? |
| 00:06 | Or maybe just newer than my install | |
| 00:07 | jcamins++ | |
| 00:07 | eythian++ | |
| 00:08 | maximep left #koha | |
| 00:16 | rambutan left #koha | |
| 00:18 | bgkriegel | sorry, was working on a boring bug. The file: kohaclone/misc/bin/koha-index-daemon-ctl.sh |
| 00:18 | is in master | |
| 00:21 | but you can do "rebuild_zebra.pl -a -z; rebuild_zebra.pl -b -x -nosanitize -z" every 2/5/x minutes | |
| 00:29 | jcamins | dcook: your koha-dev directory is probably well out of date... you might want to run the installer to update to latest master. |
| 00:33 | dcook | Hmm, sounds reasonable, jcamins |
| 00:33 | Thanks for the path, bgkriegel. I don't know why it didn't show up in my grepping.. | |
| 00:52 | Hmm, doesn't look like I can upgrade my koha-dev directory on my own, jcamins. Looks like one needs to sudo for that | |
| 00:52 | jcamins | That explaind your permissions problem. |
| 00:52 | *explains | |
| 00:53 | dcook | ? |
| 00:53 | jcamins | Purring cat makes typing difficult. |
| 00:53 | dcook | Hehe. |
| 00:53 | jcamins | Dev installs should not be installed with sudo. |
| 00:54 | dcook | Ahh, I haven't tried |
| 00:54 | I was looking at the documentation | |
| 00:54 | bag | ah koha-dev shouldn't be root |
| 00:54 | dcook | It says: |
| 00:54 | perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log | |
| 00:54 | make | |
| 00:54 | make test | |
| 00:54 | sudo make upgrade | |
| 00:54 | jcamins | For standard installs. |
| 00:54 | Just `make upgrade` for dev installs. | |
| 00:54 | dcook | Intriguing |
| 00:57 | bag | time to make the dinners |
| 00:58 | dcook | bon appétit, bag |
| 01:00 | Hmm dom or grs1... | |
| 01:00 | Looks like I was using dom before | |
| 01:03 | Hmm, I don't have all the Perl module prereqs | |
| 01:04 | Are any of these enough to blow up Koha? | |
| 01:04 | Warning: prerequisite AnyEvent 5.0 not found. | |
| 01:04 | Warning: prerequisite AnyEvent::HTTP 2.13 not found. | |
| 01:04 | Warning: prerequisite Cache::Memcached::Fast 0.17 not found. | |
| 01:04 | Warning: prerequisite Test::YAML::Valid 0.04 not found. | |
| 01:07 | pastebot | "rangi" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Perl training notes" (37 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/389 |
| 01:09 | dcook | Today is the day of interesting connections |
| 01:09 | Paul Fenwicks is a friend of a friend | |
| 01:09 | jcamins | No, none of those are required. |
| 01:09 | dcook | Excellent. Thanks, jcamins |
| 01:51 | Cool. Thanks for the info, jcamins. | |
| 02:16 | eythian_ | there are far too many DB dependent modules in master that aren't skipped. |
| 02:16 | (aren't skipped in tests, that is) | |
| 02:16 | jcamins | Oh? |
| 02:16 | Which ones? | |
| 02:16 | wahanui | Which ones are those? |
| 02:16 | eythian_ | I've patched about 3 so far |
| 02:16 | rangi | 3.10 is ok, well it was yesterday |
| 02:16 | jcamins | Yes, which ones? |
| 02:16 | wahanui | which ones are those? |
| 02:16 | eythian_ | C4::Breeding, C4::XSLT, C4::RotatingCollections |
| 02:17 | jcamins | There haven't been any changes to any of those recently that I recall. |
| 02:17 | eythian_ | it's possible something the depend upon has changed |
| 02:18 | jcamins | Odd. |
| 02:20 | pastebot | "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Error log for test cases" (18 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/390 |
| 02:20 | eythian_ | jcamins: ^ |
| 02:21 | looks like search.pm | |
| 02:21 | hmm, maybe | |
| 02:21 | rangi | bgkriegel++ #thanks for the signoff |
| 02:22 | bgkriegel | rangi: is good to finish it! |
| 02:22 | works very well | |
| 02:22 | rangi | excellent |
| 02:23 | im going to do the ccsr template next | |
| 02:23 | (should be easy just 2 files to touch) | |
| 02:23 | then i might do the staff side | |
| 02:23 | cos im sick of having to remember a bunch of passwords for the koha i look after hehe | |
| 02:24 | but ill do those as sep bugs | |
| 02:24 | bgkriegel | i'm with frameworks, I'll end up blind |
| 02:24 | eythian_ | jcamins: oddly, it seems to work if I do it manually |
| 02:24 | rangi | heh |
| 02:24 | eythian_ | it's just during the package build they fail |
| 02:24 | jcamins | eythian_: yeah, for me too. |
| 02:26 | Oh well. | |
| 02:27 | eythian_ | I don't know what'd differ in the environment. |
| 02:33 | jcamins | eythian_: I just built master packages successfully a few days ago. |
| 02:33 | eythian_ | I can't figure it out, it doesn't make sense. |
| 02:34 | jcamins | And I have not pushed anything that wasn't UI-only. |
| 02:34 | So maybe stale data in your pbuilder environment? | |
| 02:34 | eythian_ | maybe I'll try cleaning everything and trying again |
| 03:06 | cleaned out everything I could, no change :/ | |
| 03:12 | jcamins: what's odd is that 3.10 works OK, so it's something in master | |
| 03:13 | jcamins | That's very odd, because I can't see anything, and, as I said, I built a package off master three days ago. |
| 03:14 | eythian_ | might see if I can automate a git bisect to run over night. |
| 03:15 | jcamins | Sounds like a good idea. |
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| 03:18 | druthb | o/ |
| 03:29 | eythian_ | rolled this back a fair way, still failing :/ |
| 03:29 | need to build master packages more. | |
| 03:34 | OK, I've found a commit that builds. I can hopefully script a bisect to run from there. | |
| 04:00 | eythian | Bisecting: 9 revisions left to test after this (roughly 3 steps) ... getting there. |
| 04:13 | wahanui: @quote 123 is <reply>http://xkcd.com/1172/ | |
| 04:13 | wahanui | ...but @quote 123 is <reply> @quote get 123... |
| 04:13 | eythian | wahanui: @quote get 123 is <reply>http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 04:13 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 04:13 | eythian | @quote get 123 |
| 04:13 | huginn | eythian: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 04:13 | wahanui | http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 04:14 | eythian | perfect |
| 04:14 | druthb | wahanui: eythian? |
| 04:14 | wahanui | eythian is great at jokes. That everyone else misses them isn't his problem. |
| 04:14 | druthb | wahanui: eythian is also an expert bot trainer |
| 04:14 | wahanui | okay, druthb. |
| 04:14 | druthb | :P |
| 04:21 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 04:21 | druthb | Hi, Oak! |
| 04:21 | Oak | hi druthb :) |
| 04:21 | wizzyrea | haha! |
| 04:22 | be eythian | |
| 04:22 | wahanui | Sod it all, let's head to the pub! |
| 04:22 | dcook | I'm with wahanui on this one... |
| 04:22 | wizzyrea | be wizzyrea |
| 04:22 | wahanui | do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism? |
| 04:22 | druthb | be druthb |
| 04:22 | wahanui | Harrumph! |
| 04:22 | wizzyrea | hehehehe |
| 04:22 | druthb | ! |
| 04:23 | * druthb | gives wahanui the ebil eye |
| 04:23 | druthb | be bag |
| 04:23 | eythian | wahanui: be zippy |
| 04:23 | wahanui | Are we live or on tape? |
| 04:23 | wizzyrea | I was hoping it would flutter around shouting "I'm a pixie!" |
| 04:23 | eythian | wahanui: be zippy |
| 04:23 | wahanui | Mr and Mrs PED, can I borrow 26.7% of the RAYON TEXTILE production of the INDONESIAN archipelago? |
| 04:23 | eythian | wahanui: be zippy |
| 04:23 | wahanui | Boys, you have ALL been selected to LEAVE th' PLANET in 15 minutes!! |
| 04:24 | * druthb | goes :P at wizzyrea. |
| 04:24 | wizzyrea | but you *are* a pretty little pixie |
| 04:24 | druthb | Awr! Thanx! |
| 04:26 | eythian | @later tell jcamins_away apparently commit 92782d38328e712ddde5c7f879473c6cb46aaef3 is the issue |
| 04:26 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 04:26 | druthb | wizzyrea: I'm blaming you for the weather in Lawrence. Since you left, it's been indecisive ever since. |
| 04:27 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 04:27 | I think wellington may have a corner on the market for indecisive weather | |
| 04:27 | druthb | *I* have been wandering around like I don't know what to do since you left, so I'm not surprised that the weather is, too. |
| 04:28 | wizzyrea | this morning it rained, then it was fine, and then it sprinkled, and then it was fine, and then it was a little windy, and then it rained, and now it's more or less fine. |
| 04:28 | druthb | lol |
| 04:33 | yesterday was very windy here, after some rain on Saturday. The trailer rumbled and boomed all day! | |
| 04:33 | wizzyrea | oh you had a *day* where the weather was the same. |
| 04:34 | a whole day! | |
| 04:34 | druthb | :P |
| 04:34 | wizzyrea | oh look there's rain coming over the hill again. |
| 04:34 | druthb | Tomorrow, windy and cloudy with a chance of sun and earthquakes. |
| 04:34 | wizzyrea | tomorrow: NOBODY KNOWS |
| 04:35 | seriously. | |
| 04:35 | not even the metservice. | |
| 04:35 | druthb | So does the metservice just roll d20 and pick from a list? |
| 04:35 | (that's what they do in west TX) | |
| 04:35 | wizzyrea | @wunder wellington, nz |
| 04:35 | * wizzyrea | taps her toe |
| 04:35 | huginn | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 20.0°C (5:00 PM NZDT on February 12, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 04:35 | wizzyrea | see, it couldn't even decide what the weather was |
| 04:36 | druthb | @wunder 66046 |
| 04:36 | huginn | druthb: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -0.9°C (10:35 PM CST on February 11, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising). |
| 04:36 | wizzyrea | that's downright tropical |
| 04:36 | cold. | |
| 04:36 | br. | |
| 04:36 | druthb | yusss. |
| 04:36 | dcook | Can anyone confirm that the majority of Bib-1 relation attributes don't work when using ICU indexing? I've noticed the same results as this person: http://lists.indexdata.dk/pipe[…]April/002190.html |
| 04:40 | I suppose it doesn't really need confirmation from us, since one of the Index Data folk have already pointed out that it is a bug... | |
| 04:58 | eythian | @later tell jcamins_away belay that, similar but different error |
| 04:58 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
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| 06:20 | JGD | hi, if u just enter the ISBN of a book, will the other details automatically get filled in? |
| 06:21 | this is regarding new book cataloguing | |
| 06:22 | wizzyrea | it will if you use z39.50 targets |
| 06:22 | to bring in your records | |
| 06:23 | JGD | u mean if click on z39.50 |
| 06:23 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 06:23 | and put in your ISBN there | |
| 06:24 | JGD | i dont need to add any other sources or libraries ? |
| 06:24 | ok thanks will do | |
| 06:31 | wizzyrea | you can, but you don't have to |
| 06:32 | JGD | thks so much |
| 06:36 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:53 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
| 06:53 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 1.0°C (7:30 AM CET on February 12, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:54 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 06:54 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -3.0°C (7:20 AM CET on February 12, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:54 | magnuse | ha, just 4 degrees difference! |
| 06:54 | wizzyrea | good morning europe :) |
| 06:59 | magnuse | hiya wizzyrea |
| 06:59 | have you heard the good news? how extatic are you? | |
| 07:11 | wizzyrea | more marmite? |
| 07:11 | wait which news | |
| 07:11 | magnuse | hehe yeah |
| 07:12 | http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-st[…]uction-Sanitarium | |
| 07:14 | the best part: "Details of the release have been kept so secret, that up until today's announcement, only van Heerden and Prime Minister John Key knew the date it would be back on shelves. " | |
| 07:16 | Oak | magnuse |
| 07:16 | cait | |
| 07:16 | magnuse | Oak |
| 07:16 | cait | |
| 07:17 | cait | Oak magnuse |
| 07:17 | * cait | waves to wizzyrea |
| 07:17 | cait | :) |
| 07:19 | magnuse | :-) |
| 07:22 | alex_a | hello |
| 07:28 | cait | hi alex_a |
| 07:29 | rangi | evening |
| 07:29 | cait | evening rangi |
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| 07:34 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:43 | JGD | hi |
| 07:44 | if we have an old book which does not have ISBN or barcode - then how does one enter in koha | |
| 07:44 | cait | you can try a search by title |
| 07:44 | or author | |
| 07:44 | and if you don#t find it | |
| 07:45 | you catalog it. | |
| 07:45 | look at the search options the z39.50 form provides | |
| 07:45 | JGD | u mean we fill in all details and the ISBN would be generated? |
| 07:45 | cait | if it does not have an isbn |
| 07:45 | it does not have one | |
| 07:46 | that's just like it is, isbn are not mandatory | |
| 07:46 | JGD | s, if it does not have ISBN or barcode |
| 07:46 | cait | sorry, I really have to go :( |
| 07:46 | JGD | ok tks |
| 07:46 | cait | check out isbn in wikipedia - they have all the details :) |
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| 07:47 | JGD | ok |
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| 07:56 | asaurat | hi |
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| 08:11 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 08:24 | francharb | good morning |
| 08:24 | kf | hi francharb :) |
| 08:25 | francharb | 0/ kf |
| 08:29 | kf | francharb: you will be in marseille, right? :) |
| 08:30 | for the hackfest? | |
| 08:30 | francharb | kf, not sure yet |
| 08:31 | maybe from wednesday to friday | |
| 08:31 | hopefully | |
| 08:31 | :) | |
| 08:35 | kf | oh |
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| 08:35 | kf | francharb: hope it works out! |
| 08:35 | francharb | :) |
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| 08:51 | kf | good morning paul_p |
| 08:52 | paul_p | kf good morning to you kf (for me, morning is gone ;-) ) |
| 08:53 | kf | ah right, india |
| 08:59 | magnuse | namaskar paul_p |
| 09:00 | first day of the conf is over? | |
| 09:01 | paul_p | magnuse not at all. atm, Savitra (who was involved in Koha some months ago, and could be again in the next months) is demo-ing AWS calculator. |
| 09:04 | magnuse | paul_p: ah cool |
| 09:04 | guess the time difference is not as great as i thought | |
| 09:14 | paul_p | magnuse the time diff is 4:30 hours |
| 09:14 | magnuse 14:45 here | |
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| 09:20 | magnuse | paul_p: got it |
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| 10:10 | kf | *sigh* |
| 10:10 | indesign-- | |
| 11:02 | magnuse | kf: sounds like fun? ;-) |
| 11:42 | kf | magnuse: it does :) |
| 11:42 | magnuse | yay :-) |
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| 12:22 | drojf | good day #koha |
| 12:24 | kf | good day drojf |
| 12:24 | drojf | hi kf :) |
| 12:25 | kf | :) |
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| 12:45 | magnuse | so how does the SIP server know which koha installation to serve? environment variables? is it possible to have SIP for several instances on the same machine? |
| 12:48 | kf | magnuse: not sure about instances... but we have it working for a library with more than one branch |
| 12:48 | and different entries in the xml file for each branch | |
| 12:49 | magnuse | yeah, i see how to do that |
| 12:49 | i'm trying to figure out how to do it with more than one koha installation on the same machine | |
| 12:49 | kf: do you know if that library is alone on it's server? | |
| 12:50 | kf | yeah it is |
| 12:50 | magnuse | ah |
| 12:50 | kf | I remember some patches from robin for starting/stopping sip |
| 12:50 | maybe there is a note on one bug? | |
| 12:51 | magnuse | ah, that would be cool |
| 12:51 | kf | bug 9250 |
| 12:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9250 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Provide commands to allow handling of SIP servers in the packages |
| 12:51 | kf | that looks like a good fit for your question :) |
| 12:52 | magnuse | yay! |
| 12:52 | kf++ | |
| 12:52 | kf | if you sign off jcamins_away can push it - we agreed to not qa packages patches from the packaging manager |
| 12:52 | hmn try to say that fast 3 times in a row :P | |
| 12:56 | magnuse | lol |
| 12:57 | kf | hi matts |
| 12:57 | matts | hi ! |
| 12:57 | kf | but you will be in marseille, right? |
| 12:57 | magnuse | eythian++ |
| 13:02 | kf | hm someone smuggledin another $ |
| 13:02 | Overdue Fines Cap ($) | |
| 13:02 | meh. | |
| 13:11 | magnuse | ? |
| 13:12 | ah | |
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| 13:14 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 13:20 | kf | h oleonard :) |
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| 13:25 | * jcamins_away | just watched a Coronet instructional video from 1950s on "making good use of your leisure time." |
| 13:25 | jcamins_away | So much fun! |
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| 13:26 | jcamins | Excellent way to start a day. :) |
| 13:26 | kf | lol |
| 13:26 | jcamins: what was the recommendation? | |
| 13:26 | drojf | i bet it had to do with bugzilla |
| 13:27 | jcamins | Photography, bird watching, sewing, a part-time job, or piano playing. |
| 13:27 | drojf | hahaha |
| 13:27 | a part-time job | |
| 13:28 | way to spend your leisure time | |
| 13:28 | jcamins | Yeah, that was my favorite, too. |
| 13:28 | drojf | like, why not do it unpaid |
| 13:28 | oh, that is what i do here :) | |
| 13:29 | not that i have done much lately | |
| 13:29 | kf | go and study! |
| 13:29 | :P | |
| 13:30 | drojf | i'm at the library. have to change the import before studying. so they have stuff to play with while i'm gone :) |
| 13:35 | jcamins | "And baseball games and taffy pulls. I think they're swell!" |
| 13:36 | * drojf | kicks kde in the balls |
| 13:36 | drojf | and restart |
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| 13:41 | * drojf | has fun watching patrons. |
| 13:43 | kf | ouch |
| 13:44 | scheuklappen? :P | |
| 13:44 | drojf | he is right in front of me :( |
| 13:44 | kf | folding wall |
| 13:51 | jcamins | Yes! "Then we chop the peanuts!" |
| 13:53 | kf | jcamins: did you see my note about about.pl on the gpl license change bug? |
| 13:53 | jcamins | kf: Yes. |
| 13:53 | kf | ah ok |
| 13:53 | separate bug? | |
| 13:54 | jcamins | Yes please. |
| 13:54 | kf | np - we just should not forget doing that :) |
| 13:55 | drojf | i have to write a test for that indicator feature i did not do myself and am not sure what all is supposed to do. that is going to be fun ;) |
| 13:55 | Dyrcona | jcamins: Cut the tofu. Turn the plate. |
| 13:55 | kf | hi Dyrcona |
| 13:56 | drojf | hail seitan. that i really evil, from a no-gluten point of view |
| 13:57 | jcamins | Dyrcona: yeah! It's as much fun as these instructional videos from the 50s! |
| 13:58 | kf | bug 9595 |
| 13:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9595 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, NEW , Update About page for license update to GPL3 |
| 13:58 | kf | nengard is default for the about page it seems |
| 13:58 | jcamins | Thanks! |
| 13:58 | kf | np |
| 14:00 | magnuse | kf++ |
| 14:01 | jcamins | Is there a reason we don't use datatables on the patron search results page? |
| 14:02 | oleonard | jcamins: It would have to be done with AJAX pagination and that's hard? |
| 14:02 | jcamins | oleonard: ah. Good reason, then. |
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| 14:03 | oleonard | If you pull the string on Web Developer Barbie's back she says "AJAX pagination is hard!" |
| 14:03 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 14:04 | kf | lol |
| 14:05 | jcamins | How do I make serial claims work? |
| 14:06 | It tells me I need a template defined, but not what it should be called. | |
| 14:06 | kf | notices |
| 14:06 | just choose the right module, the code can be anything :) | |
| 14:07 | you can have more than one serial claim - like one in english and one in german | |
| 14:08 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 14:09 | oleonard | Did I just hear someone whisper "Serials test data..." ? I'm sure I did. |
| 14:09 | jcamins | oleonard: where |
| 14:09 | *? | |
| 14:09 | oleonard | That's what I'd like to know. |
| 14:09 | jcamins | Oh. |
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| 14:11 | kf | it's probably not so easy to provide |
| 14:11 | records are not enough, you need the content from... a lot more tables | |
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| 14:12 | kf | and if you create items for your subscriptions which you shoudl do for testing because it complicates things then it gets even more complicated |
| 14:12 | oleonard | I agree :( |
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| 14:17 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
| 14:17 | datadoctor | So to limit access by ip address range you have to have AutoLocation set to require and IndependantBranches set to "Prevent" |
| 14:18 | Any other combination means you can log in from anywhere. | |
| 14:22 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1047 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 14:28 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9471' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]57cf1dafa26f29fa7> / Bug 9471 - Use DataTables on serials claims page <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8c9f2914635a37c23> |
| 14:29 | drojf | datadoctor: what exactly is your question? |
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| 14:30 | drojf | or, is there a question? :) |
| 14:31 | datadoctor | I guess I am thinking that if people aren't aware they have to have both preferences set correctly, then their system can be easily hacked because anyone can get to the login interface |
| 14:31 | so the documentation needs to be improved, or the AutoLocation preference needs to take prioirity. | |
| 14:32 | If you set an ip address range and then choose "Require" you to log in from that range, it should not be overridden. | |
| 14:32 | By this construction: "if (C4:Context->boolean_preference('IndependantBranches') && C4::Context->boolean_preference('AutoLocation')){" | |
| 14:32 | drojf | i see, makes sense |
| 14:33 | datadoctor | I want to remove the first clause checking the IndependantBranches, but I operate in a single branch environment, and I'm not sure of the implications for Multi-Branch environments |
| 14:34 | drojf | i would not say that the system »can be easily hacked« though |
| 14:34 | datadoctor | I can try to think that through... |
| 14:34 | drojf | or is there something i don't know about? |
| 14:34 | like, security issues with the staff client | |
| 14:34 | datadoctor | Well, if you can remotely access a Koha installation |
| 14:35 | And you can get to the login screen, there is no timeout, no scrambled text to enter, and no limit on password attempts. | |
| 14:35 | drojf | require staff to choose safe passwords ;) |
| 14:37 | datadoctor | It's a good idea. However anyone with borrower privileges can change their own password. |
| 14:37 | I like your optimism though. | |
| 14:37 | drojf | you can set the lenght of the password |
| 14:37 | but i see your point | |
| 14:37 | it's a feature, it is supposed to work | |
| 14:38 | datadoctor | Thank you. That is a good idea. I didn't think to set the length of the password. |
| 14:38 | * oleonard | shudders at the thought of having to enter a CAPTCHA upon each Koha login |
| 14:38 | datadoctor | I don't like CAPTCHA either. |
| 14:39 | drojf | our staff would probably kill me if i require passwords with a minimal length of 20, but i should do it anyway |
| 14:39 | datadoctor | ;) |
| 14:39 | oleonard | I'll send post-it notes for your monitors! |
| 14:39 | drojf | at the university people still think the best password is something like %/r.CZa1, but please max 8 characters or something |
| 14:39 | lol oleonard | |
| 14:40 | kf | we limit access by ip too |
| 14:40 | but using a firewall | |
| 14:40 | drojf | we did too, but i could not access it from wifi. since i don't have an office and use my own laptop, that did not work |
| 14:41 | kf | ah right |
| 14:41 | drojf | wifi only has dhcp |
| 14:41 | datadoctor | That might be the best solution for our library, but right now we have our Koha server facing out. |
| 14:41 | drojf | we'll see how it is done once we are live |
| 14:41 | datadoctor | So staff go out for name resolution, then return. If I could route staff side requests internally that would solve my problem. |
| 14:42 | drojf | we are not allowed to leave the univerity network anyway at the moment |
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| 14:44 | datadoctor | Thanks for helping me think this through. I think I will edit the code locally so that I do not check for the IndependantBranches setting. As for others... |
| 14:44 | they will have to test their security. | |
| 14:45 | kf | I am not sure why it shoudl be tied to indybranches... maybe a bug? |
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| 14:45 | drojf | i would of course like to encourage you to look into the implications of a change in koha source code, it sounds like it is not supposed to be the way it is now |
| 14:46 | datadoctor | The idea may have been that "Don't Prevent" access from other branches would allow the other branches to log in remotely? |
| 14:46 | drojf | otherwise you will make your updates more complicatd |
| 14:46 | datadoctor | But they should log in locally...then request that materials be sent to their branch. |
| 14:47 | kf | datadoctor: but if you wanted that... you coudl maybe solve it by configuration? or does ip only take one, I never tried |
| 14:48 | * magnuse | has a customer who has talked about combining ip-limitations with email confirmations. use 'AutoLocation' for "office IPs" and then let staff who want to log in from off site generate an email, click on a verification link in the email, and then the ip the request comes from is opened for that session only |
| 14:48 | datadoctor | I'm single branch here, but thinking about the implications if the " if (C4:Context->boolean_preference('IndependantBranches')" is removed - then the ip range test works correctly, but may affect remote login in libraries with remote branches. |
| 14:48 | Thanks magnuse! That is interesting. | |
| 14:49 | We didn't realize we had a security problem until our outreach librarian logged in remotely. | |
| 14:50 | magnuse - your method might allow us to secure the ip address range, but allow outreach to access. | |
| 14:50 | kf | datadoctor: you only have 1 branch? |
| 14:50 | datadoctor | one branch |
| 14:50 | magnuse | datadoctor: yup, that is the idea, i think |
| 14:51 | kf | so why not just turn indiependentbranches off? |
| 14:51 | maybe a better workaround then modifying the code? | |
| 14:51 | datadoctor | I believe it is turned off. |
| 14:51 | kf | the setting should not make any difference for you |
| 14:51 | magnuse | datadoctor: talk to Viktor about it if you see him popping his head in here :-) |
| 14:51 | datadoctor | Thanks! |
| 14:51 | oleonard | Bug 9591 is a weird one |
| 14:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9591 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item |
| 14:53 | * magnuse | wonders idly when we will hit bug #10k |
| 14:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]how_bug.cgi?id=10 normal, P2, ---, chris, CLOSED FIXED, installer.pl doesn't check for mysql connectivity |
| 14:53 | magnuse | hehe, nice try huginn |
| 14:54 | kf | soonish? :) |
| 14:55 | i filed bug 9595 earlier today | |
| 14:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9595 normal, P5 - low, ---, nengard, NEW , Update About page for license update to GPL3 |
| 14:55 | drojf | i claim 9999 |
| 14:56 | no sure what for | |
| 14:56 | nengard | sorry - was on a call - i'm the default for the about page? should I have known that?? :) |
| 14:56 | oleonard | Bug report 9999: "Database update causes Koha to become self-aware, kills all humans." |
| 14:57 | nengard | heading in to a demo, but if I have bugs I need to address I will do so later today |
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| 14:57 | datadoctor | chuckles |
| 14:57 | drojf | yay for killing all humans |
| 14:57 | zebras, zebras everywhere | |
| 14:58 | datadoctor | prepare to be re-indexed! |
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| 14:58 | kf | nengard: I only noticed when I filed the bug - was not sure who else to assign it to so left default |
| 15:02 | magnuse | kf: you might want to repeat that with a @later? |
| 15:04 | kf | @later tell nengard I only noticed when I filed the bug - was not sure who else to assign it to so left default (bug 9595) |
| 15:04 | huginn | kf: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:05 | jcamins | Three more patches to QA. |
| 15:05 | *push | |
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| 15:27 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1047: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1047/ |
| 15:27 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9583 - OPAC cart button display problem in Chromium | |
| 15:27 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9323 [Counter-proposal] Untranslatable string in serials search | |
| 15:27 | * Marcel de Rooy: 9105: Followup for closing Zoom connections | |
| 15:27 | * Mason James: Bug 9440 - update Koha's LICENSE file from GPL2 to GPL3 | |
| 15:27 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9469 - Use Datatables in serials statistics wizard | |
| 15:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9583 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , OPAC cart button display problem in Chromium |
| 15:27 | jenkins_koha | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9462 [Revised] Use DataTables on patron detail page |
| 15:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9323 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Untranslatable string in serials search |
| 15:28 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9440 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Pushed to Master , update Koha's LICENSE file from GPL2 to GPL3 | |
| 15:28 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9469 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use Datatables in serials statistics wizard | |
| 15:28 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9462 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on patron detail page | |
| 15:29 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1048 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 15:30 | magnuse | \o/ success! |
| 15:35 | drojf | yay! |
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| 15:55 | datadoctor | I am thinking that you hit the nail on the head kf. If singlebranchmode is turned on, that should disable independent branches and disable the authentication issue in the Auth.pm. |
| 15:55 | So instead of checking for if (C4:Context->boolean_preference('IndependantBranches') && C4::Context->boolean_preference('AutoLocation')){ | |
| 15:56 | It would first check if singlebranchmode is on - if it is, it would only check for C4::Context->boolean_preference('AutoLocation'){ | |
| 15:56 | and skip the independent branches test | |
| 15:57 | For multi-branch operations, with remote access, they should already be aware about security issues... | |
| 15:58 | drojf | i just found "FIXME FIXME FIXME" in my code. i like how i decided to express the FIXMEcity at that point |
| 16:02 | gmcharlt | any instance of DONTFIXMEIWANTOLIVE is clearly an insertion by the bug itself :P |
| 16:02 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 16:02 | gmcharlt++ # for the new MARC::Record. | |
| 16:03 | gmcharlt: did you do any testing to see if the new LibXML code made a difference with Koha? | |
| 16:03 | gmcharlt | jcamins:not yet; I planning to do that for both Koha and Evergreen before recommending that the projects bump up the minimum version of MARC::File::XML required |
| 16:04 | jcamins | Incidentally, did I comment on my findings about XML parsing performance with koha-conf.xml? |
| 16:05 | It's very interesting... XML::Simple with ExpatXS is more or less equivalent to XML::LibXML::Simple. | |
| 16:05 | gmcharlt | I dunno, did you? ;) |
| 16:05 | jcamins | YAML is, of course, much faster. |
| 16:05 | gmcharlt | naturally |
| 16:05 | jcamins | Yeah. But that kind of puts paid to the idea that a different XML parser would make a difference for our use case. |
| 16:07 | gmcharlt | yeah, that has always seemed to me to be the very definition of a micro-optimization |
| 16:07 | if anything, I would think that caching would be suffice | |
| 16:08 | jcamins | Oh, caching is much preferable. |
| 16:12 | drojf | that february 14 is getting crowded. valentine's day, one billion rising and now "i love free software"-day? |
| 16:14 | oh, looks like they did it last year already | |
| 16:20 | jcamins | drojf: don't you love free software every day? |
| 16:20 | drojf | actually, i do |
| 16:20 | jcamins | Ugh. opac-showmarc.pl should use C4::XSLT. |
| 16:21 | drojf | i think the point is to thank your favourite projects and donate to the fsf(e) ;) |
| 16:21 | jcamins | Well, as RM, you're very welcome. :P |
| 16:23 | oleonard | jcamins: I suspected you were going to say that :P |
| 16:23 | jcamins | oleonard: yeah, I'm pretty predictable. |
| 16:23 | Fixing the immediate problem like that is acceptable, though. | |
| 16:25 | drojf | if i would want sru/z39.30 to give me a JSON output option i would have to hack zebra, not some part of koha, i suppose? |
| 16:25 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 16:25 | * drojf | shudders |
| 16:26 | jcamins | Well... |
| 16:26 | arguably a better option would be to implement a Z39.50 server for Koha using SimpleServer. | |
| 16:26 | drojf | something about search rewrite? |
| 16:26 | :) | |
| 16:27 | jcamins | Someone proposed doing that. |
| 16:27 | drojf | heh |
| 16:27 | jcamins | With the SimpleServer-based Z39.50/SRU interface, it'd be much easier, I think. |
| 16:27 | magnuse: around? | |
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| 16:31 | drojf | btw i had to modify the public report feature to give me jsonp instead of json for a project, is that something worth putting into git (with a syspref for callback or something)? |
| 16:31 | jcamins | Yes, I think so. |
| 16:32 | drojf | ok, will do that some day if i don't forget |
| 16:32 | kf | drojf: for sru... you could try a special stylesheet maybe? |
| 16:33 | I think marcelr said they use their own stylesheet with sru | |
| 16:33 | nto sure how easy it is to transform marcxml to json using xslt... | |
| 16:33 | jcamins | kf: horrifyingly painful. :( |
| 16:34 | * kf | refers to marcelr's talk at kohacon in edi |
| 16:34 | think jcamins must be exaggerating | |
| 16:34 | kf | :) |
| 16:34 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1048: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1048/ |
| 16:34 | Owen Leonard: Bug 9471 - Use DataTables on serials claims page | |
| 16:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9471 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on serials claims page |
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| 16:38 | drojf | kf: i actually took a look at that, but it generated some default header thing that i don't know where it comes from. i did not have much time so i went with the public report instead. but maybe i shouls look at that again |
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| 16:38 | santy | hello everybody, I was wondering if it is possible while checking out to give a specific HOUR on which the item must have been returned (not just a specific date at 23:59 pm). If not, is it possible to set up a closing hour per library for this purpose? |
| 16:39 | drojf | in newer koha there is hourly loans |
| 16:39 | kf | I think you can set a specific time now... but not sure if that is in 3.10 but no opening times |
| 16:39 | drojf | newer as in 3.8 i think |
| 16:39 | 3.8+ | |
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| 16:39 | santy | I have 3.8.9.1a |
| 16:39 | kf | it might be possible to do useing specify due date and koha 3.8+ more likely 3.10 for using the date due like hat |
| 16:39 | drojf | 1a? |
| 16:40 | santy | let me check |
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| 16:40 | drojf | how safe is hourly loans nowadays? |
| 16:40 | does it work with fines now? | |
| 16:40 | kf | santy: I just checked, you can set a time with specify due date (in circ) with 3.10.3 |
| 16:41 | santy | sorry its 3.08.07.000 |
| 16:41 | kf | but it's not calculating that automatically yet |
| 16:42 | santy | humm, ok, but it's a feature that is being worked on, right? |
| 16:43 | jcamins | There has been very little progress on it. |
| 16:44 | santy | ok, thanks |
| 16:44 | jcamins | Certainly I would not anticipate it being fixed in 3.12. |
| 16:45 | santy | I also wanted to ask if there have been zebra indexing issues on 3.8 (other than having to use cron instead of the daemon) |
| 16:45 | drojf | :( |
| 16:45 | kf | hm it does work... but it's missing bits and pieces probably |
| 16:45 | jcamins | What do you mean by issues? |
| 16:45 | santy | like not indexin every record because of diverse reasons (special characters, etc) |
| 16:47 | jcamins | You'd have to give very concrete examples, but probably the problem is that you should be using ICU. |
| 16:47 | santy | ICU... that is a configuration parameter during installation right? |
| 16:47 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 16:47 | drojf | that depends |
| 16:48 | does it work with packages now? | |
| 16:49 | oleonard | Interesting... 255 patrons in our database whose card numbers are completely out of the range of cards we have printed |
| 16:49 | jcamins | drojf: I'm not sure. |
| 16:49 | santy | can that parameter be set up after installation? or at least verified? |
| 16:50 | ok I found it | |
| 16:50 | drojf | santy: you can do it afterwards |
| 16:50 | santy | it says "Not Using"... |
| 16:50 | drojf | no |
| 16:50 | that is not it | |
| 16:51 | that is the one telling koha that ICU is used | |
| 16:51 | it does not activate or deactivate it | |
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| 16:51 | santy | ok, how can I find out, I installed evthing from packages |
| 16:51 | drojf | check http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]of_Arabic_records |
| 16:51 | santy | ok |
| 16:51 | kf | if you installed from packages it's not activated :( |
| 16:54 | drojf | oleonard: that's funny. perhaps they have borrowed the 150 records that do not get a control number from my script, while more than 30k do |
| 16:54 | oleonard | drojf: The Koha shadow economy |
| 16:54 | santy | hmmm, well the only special chars we use are like áéíóúñ ... |
| 16:55 | drojf | santy: ignore the arabic part |
| 16:55 | santy | But i'll try and activate ICU and see if more records get indexed |
| 16:55 | which is the arabic part? | |
| 16:55 | drojf | on the wiki page for icu |
| 16:55 | nch | Hi, does anyone know the best way to use Koha through Windows? Have you had luck with Virtualbox or something like that? |
| 16:56 | oleonard | nengard demo/training = new bugs for us! Every time :) |
| 16:56 | jcamins | nch: VirtualBox or other virtualization software is best. |
| 16:56 | oleonard | nch: If you must use Windows, of course |
| 16:56 | nengard | yep |
| 16:57 | why not steal all the ideas and share them with you all?? :) | |
| 16:58 | nch | Sadly, we must. We are a small non-profit and are trying to get a library set up on a really small budget. Is it best to install VirtualBox & Koha on a web server? |
| 16:58 | santy | drojf: what is ICU for... preparing marcxml strings for correct indexing? |
| 17:03 | drojf | it is for indexing records that include non-latin script. i think the cases you described could be done without it |
| 17:04 | i don't know what your problem is. are not all records indexed, or do you just not find them? that are two different things | |
| 17:13 | santy | drojf: thank you, I think I'll have to find out, it is probably indexing fine |
| 17:14 | drojf | santy: if you do not use icu, there is a language mapping file. that might need fixes for your non-ascii letters |
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| 17:15 | santy | where can I learn more about that language mapping file? can it be configured? |
| 17:15 | slef | nch: I think the VirtualBox will become a webserver itself, so be aware that the machine you put it on will be accessible to library users (who may be on the internet, if your library's public catalogue is internet-accessible) |
| 17:15 | koyauni | hi guys, |
| 17:15 | wahanui | hi guys, is there a way to search for and delete duplicate entries in koha? I got a spreadsheet from our librarian which I converted to marc file and imported to koha. however (despite bigbrovar's warning) some of the files in the spreadsheet she gave me were duplicates of entries already in koha. |
| 17:16 | slef | wahanui: forget hi guys, |
| 17:16 | wahanui | slef: I forgot hi guys, |
| 17:16 | jcamins | wahanui: forget hi guys, |
| 17:16 | wahanui | jcamins, I didn't have anything matching hi guys, |
| 17:17 | drojf | santy: there is a bug needing signoff for a german file, that might give you an idea |
| 17:17 | koyauni | we have just got problem with our koha, ethe result of searches is not linked to the item found and it give 401 error , please help if you have any idea |
| 17:17 | drojf | santy: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9248 |
| 17:17 | huginn | 04Bug 9248: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Add a German Zebra language definition file |
| 17:18 | koyauni | this is an example, search for culture some results are shown but the error occur when clicked http://library.koyauniversity.[…]arch.pl?q=culture |
| 17:19 | santy | looks nice drojf... I'll check it out thanks |
| 17:20 | oleonard | koyauni: The error is a 404, which is an important distinction. It means the record wasn't found. |
| 17:20 | koyauni: Sounds like a problem with your index? | |
| 17:20 | koyauni | can do a reindexing |
| 17:22 | is it the command # sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full -v | |
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| 17:24 | oleonard | Can anyone confirm for koyauni? |
| 17:24 | drojf | i think it is miising the instance name |
| 17:24 | missing | |
| 17:25 | koyauni | I need to stop and restrat and the reindex, am I right, my instance name is LIBRARY |
| 17:35 | this guy says run these command to fixed it, but I run Debian 6+ and I do not know about deamon | |
| 17:35 | http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]04-td3063474.html | |
| 17:35 | what do you day in Debian please | |
| 17:37 | santy | Is it possible to reindex only a branch or even only a record? |
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| 17:38 | koyauni | I want to stop the whole and then do a total reindexing |
| 17:38 | what are the commands please, | |
| 17:38 | drojf | santy: you can give ranges at least |
| 17:39 | oleonard | Bummer, git bisect blames me for Bug 9572 |
| 17:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9572 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Opac info tooltip from branches is not well positioned |
| 17:39 | santy | drojf, ok that sounds really sweet, where can I find out? |
| 17:40 | jcamins | santy: there's a script called rebuild_zebra_sliced.sh. I've never used it, but that should do it. |
| 17:41 | drojf | santy: i dont know if a "man koha-rebuild-zebra" or "koha-rebuild-zebra -h" does anything, otherwise you would have to look for the .pl file. |
| 17:41 | ah and there is the thing jcamins mentions, that i also have never used | |
| 17:41 | jcamins | I don't think you can do it with koha-rebuild-zebra. |
| 17:41 | So you have to run rebuild_zebra_sliced.sh using sudo as your instance-koha user. | |
| 17:42 | (replace "instance" with your instance's name) | |
| 17:42 | santy | ok as cc-koha user |
| 17:42 | drojf | you can do single records or like "the first 100" or stuff like that |
| 17:42 | santy | but sudoing |
| 17:42 | and that script is in misc? | |
| 17:43 | talljoy | misc/migration_tools |
| 17:43 | jcamins | drojf: you can? That must be new. |
| 17:43 | santy | ok |
| 17:43 | jcamins | drojf: I had thought you could choose to do the first n records, but not any other subset. |
| 17:43 | santy | superb, thank you |
| 17:45 | talljoy | there is $where in rebuild_zebra.pl |
| 17:45 | could use that perhaps to limit to biblionumber < xxx ? | |
| 17:45 | * talljoy | has never done so |
| 17:47 | jcamins | talljoy: hmm... that does ring a bell with me, now that you remind me. |
| 17:47 | drojf | jcamins: 'where:s'; 'length:i'; 'offset:i' . not sure what the "where" does |
| 17:47 | jcamins | --where="biblionumber <= 100" I think. |
| 17:47 | talljoy | claims to allow a where statement to be added. the example is where itemtype=Book |
| 17:48 | drojf | $strsth.=qq{ WHERE $where } if ($where); |
| 17:48 | lol | |
| 17:48 | whatever that might mean ;) but you might be right | |
| 17:48 | maybe it works for branch even? | |
| 17:49 | talljoy | --where let you specify a WHERE query, like itemtype='BOOK' |
| 17:49 | or something like that | |
| 17:49 | jcamins | drojf: I don't think so... branches are in the items table. |
| 17:49 | drojf | ah |
| 17:49 | makes sense | |
| 17:49 | talljoy | it looks like it applies it to biblioitems though. |
| 17:50 | http://pastebin.com/9bSc8usk | |
| 17:51 | so even the example given of itemtype wouldn't work here | |
| 17:51 | curious.... | |
| 17:51 | drojf | heh |
| 17:52 | talljoy | oddly enough i suppose you could specify something like pages>300 . |
| 17:52 | * talljoy | would mock this usage...but imagines there is a library somewhere who want this |
| 17:53 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 17:53 | You're probably right. | |
| 17:53 | santy | I want this |
| 17:53 | talljoy | :-D |
| 17:53 | then there you go. | |
| 17:54 | oh and i do see itemtype in biblioitems. <need to break out the reading glasses> | |
| 17:54 | santy | ok, I'll try to "exploit" this |
| 17:54 | talljoy | good luck santy! |
| 17:54 | santy | thanks |
| 17:56 | koyauni | can someone direct me to reindexing zebra please, It sreached but I can not fine it |
| 18:02 | slef | koyauni: packaged or tarball? |
| 18:02 | wahanui: reindex zebra? | |
| 18:02 | wahanui | slef: i don't know |
| 18:02 | slef | wahanui: help |
| 18:03 | drojf | wahanui: initiate self-destruct sequence |
| 18:03 | wahanui | drojf: i'm not following you... |
| 18:03 | drojf | at least he is answering me |
| 18:04 | koyauni | sorry I keep looking and searching to solve this issue, |
| 18:04 | oleonard | koyauni: You installed using packages right? |
| 18:04 | slef | koyauni: yeah, it's fine, just ignore anyone who tries to help, that'll work(!) :-( |
| 18:04 | * slef | goes to do something else |
| 18:05 | koyauni | packaged or tarball? koha is 3.10.00.000 |
| 18:05 | i used common installation | |
| 18:05 | and we had no problem, this is just happend recently | |
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| 18:09 | koyauni | I ran this and now it says no result is there :( sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v –full `/usr/sbin/koha-list` |
| 18:09 | may be it takes some time | |
| 18:10 | I hope I did not do something stupid :( | |
| 18:11 | cait | don't run it with sudo |
| 18:11 | it will cause permission problems | |
| 18:11 | and your zebra won't work | |
| 18:12 | cait_afk | sorry, will be back later |
| 18:13 | koyauni | so should I remove SUDO, but that is in the instruction provided at Koha here http://koha-community.org/faqs[…]ch-stuff-up-help/ |
| 18:14 | well what ever it did, now I do not get any results at all, I am not sure if it still working create new indexing | |
| 18:19 | datadoctor | rebuild with -b -v - see if it halts during the process |
| 18:20 | koyauni | do I need to stop it first |
| 18:21 | you mean koha-rebuild-zebra -v -b –full `/usr/sbin/koha-list` | |
| 18:22 | datadoctor | that's what I'm talking about |
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| 18:22 | datadoctor | the verbose flag -v helps detect problem records that may be halting the index process |
| 18:23 | specifically problem biblios that halt the -b indexing | |
| 18:24 | using a -x flag can also be helpful for rebuilding the MARC XML indexing, but for troubleshooting you will save time with -b -v | |
| 18:25 | you can stop an indexing script at any time, but you will be left with an incomplete index | |
| 18:25 | koyauni | then I will run this koha-rebuild-zebra -v –full `/usr/sbin/koha-list` |
| 18:25 | koha-rebuild-zebra -v -b --full `/usr/sbin/koha-list` | |
| 18:26 | datadoctor | I am thinking that the --full covers both the -a and -b flag - can someone correct me if I am wrong? |
| 18:27 | koyauni | please! |
| 18:27 | someone! | |
| 18:27 | wahanui | i heard someone was missing |
| 18:29 | datadoctor | so again, for troubleshooting purposes, you might omit the --full, and do a rebuild with -b -v first, then if that works, -a -v, that way you get the biblios and the authorities. |
| 18:29 | the -b -v gives you your search results, to if you don't see any errors and you still have no results, there is a separate problem going on | |
| 18:30 | koyauni | so I should run it as koha-rebuild-zebra -v -b `/usr/sbin/koha-list` first |
| 18:31 | jcamins | --full is for rebuild. -b and -a are irrelevant for koha-rebuild-zebra, as both bibs and authorities are always handled by it. |
| 18:31 | datadoctor | Thanks jcamins, I usually use the script from misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl |
| 18:31 | Sorry to give out bad information koyauni! | |
| 18:31 | jcamins | datadoctor: if you have packages you should always use koha-rebuild-zebra. As you do not, you don't have any choice in the matter. |
| 18:32 | datadoctor | :/ |
| 18:32 | jcamins | You can always upgrade to packages later. :) |
| 18:33 | datadoctor | So you are already doing the right rebuild koyauni! I hope it works better for you this time. |
| 18:33 | koyauni | it is package installation |
| 18:34 | * drojf | heads home |
| 18:34 | koyauni | Zebra 2.0.44 (C) this is my zebra |
| 18:35 | so only this should works then koha-rebuild-zebra -v --full `/usr/sbin/koha-list` | |
| 18:35 | or only koha-rebuild-zebra | |
| 18:35 | datadoctor | There is one update to zebra, 2.0.54, but 2.0.44 is very similar. |
| 18:36 | cait_afk | I might have been worng about the sudo |
| 18:36 | I don'tknow if that's a problem with indexing with packages | |
| 18:36 | koyauni | :( |
| 18:36 | help! | |
| 18:36 | cait_afk | i misread what you wrote earlier |
| 18:36 | koyauni | i followed this |
| 18:36 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]e_Debian_packages | |
| 18:40 | I did this, I hope it will work > koha-stop-zebra library then > koha-start-zebra library, then > sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v --full | |
| 18:41 | is there any way to check whether it is indexing, or process is moving | |
| 18:42 | datadoctor | not sure why that one line in the wiki says sudo, when all the rest do not... |
| 18:43 | koyauni | I am a only a student do not much about that, but used it |
| 18:43 | but it is logical question | |
| 18:45 | datadoctor | The full indexing could take a while, depending upon your processor speed and RAM, could be around an hour and a half for a mid-size library. Usually more like 30 to 40 minutes though. |
| 18:47 | koyauni | is this correct then > koha-stop-zebra library then > koha-start-zebra library, then > sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v --full |
| 18:50 | datadoctor | It should be the same, but instead of sudo koha-rebuild-zebra - v --full, I would omit the sudo, and use koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f |
| 18:50 | if you have an immediate permissions error, then you would need the sudo, otherwise don't use it. | |
| 18:52 | koyauni | when I run that it says exporting authority ==================== Records exported: 0 ==================== REINDEXING zebra ==================== skipping biblios ==================== CLEANING |
| 18:53 | what does that mean | |
| 18:55 | datadoctor | It is likely that it is not seeing your mysql database. |
| 18:55 | koyauni | waw why, how did that happen |
| 18:56 | I can see from admin mysql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.63, for debian-linux-gnu (x86_64) using readline 6.1 | |
| 18:57 | datadoctor | Your database appears to be intact and functional. |
| 18:57 | So why is zebra not seeing it? | |
| 18:58 | koyauni | I did sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v --full library |
| 18:58 | has that anything to do with it | |
| 18:58 | talljoy | and you do have authorities loaded in the database? |
| 19:02 | koyauni | that has never been an issue, I am sure what has happend |
| 19:06 | datadoctor | I would look at the zebra-authorities.cfg and the zebra-biblios.cfg - for me they are in koha-dev/etc/zebradb and at the koha-conf.xml. Check the paths. |
| 19:07 | Also verify that your environment variables are correct - it appears they are, but good to double-check. Also did you restart the server? | |
| 19:08 | koyauni | the things is that this has been a fully functional koha and this indiexing issue just happened |
| 19:09 | datadoctor | That's why restarting and rebuilding might be your best bet. |
| 19:10 | But if the rebuild still fails...you might need to seek support from one of the great Koha support services. | |
| 19:10 | koyauni | so I did this and I hope it will work, koha-stop-zebra library then > koha-start-zebra library, then > sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v --full |
| 19:10 | i wait for an hour and check later | |
| 19:10 | datadoctor | I am wishing you best of luck on your rebuild. Will check back |
| 19:11 | koyauni | thanks |
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| 19:34 | talljoy | can someone tell me what in the data drives the search for 'currently available items'? i've checked for NULL in onloan, 0 in itemlost and a valid 942$c and still cannot limit my searches to only available items. i get no results |
| 19:34 | on 3.8.8 | |
| 19:34 | jcamins | talljoy: currently available items does not work as a limit in any version of Koha. |
| 19:35 | talljoy | i saw the bug 4481. but on some installs i've got it at least returns something. |
| 19:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4481 major, P1 - high, ---, koha.sekjal, Patch doesn't apply , Search's Limit to Available filters out many available items |
| 19:35 | talljoy | is there another bug report or is that it? |
| 19:35 | jcamins | That sounds right. |
| 19:36 | talljoy | thanks. |
| 19:40 | oleonard | Should we have a bug to remove the option until it can be fixed? |
| 19:40 | cait_afk | there was discussion about this |
| 19:40 | it got an id | |
| 19:40 | it works in some situations I was told | |
| 19:40 | so people don't want to remove it but you can hide it now | |
| 19:40 | iirc | |
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| 19:42 | cait_afk | hope that made sense |
| 19:42 | oleonard | Yes |
| 19:42 | talljoy | it's odd that it works at times. and yes cait_afk it made sense. |
| 19:42 | thanks | |
| 19:43 | * talljoy | breaks out the jquery |
| 19:43 | cait_afk | talljoy: css should work too :) |
| 19:43 | talljoy | better yet, i'll toss this one over to the opac guru here. ;-) |
| 19:43 | cait_afk | the patch adding the id was not too long ago, not sure if it's in your version yet |
| 19:44 | oleonard: thx for your answre about the tooltip :) | |
| 19:44 | even if it's not the pathc I hoped for :P | |
| 19:44 | oleonard | cait_afk: The problem confounds me :( |
| 19:44 | cait_afk | now you made me look up confound |
| 19:44 | jcamins | talljoy: it works only in libraries that have exactly one item per bib. |
| 19:45 | talljoy | well that's interesting. |
| 19:45 | oleonard | cait_afk: Checking out the jQuery widget now |
| 19:45 | cait_afk | oleonard: you are a hero :) |
| 19:45 | oleonard | jcamins: That sounds rather uncommon |
| 19:45 | jcamins | It does. |
| 19:45 | talljoy | and doesn't match exactly what i've seen either. (not that i'm seeing accurate limits) |
| 19:46 | oleonard | cait_afk: And of course bumping the jQueryUI version introduces a 1-pixel display problem on tabs >:( |
| 19:46 | cait_afk | ew |
| 19:46 | jcamins | talljoy: it's not that you won't get results in other situations, it's that the results will be accurate only in that one situation. |
| 19:47 | talljoy | that makes sense. |
| 19:48 | jcamins | For some definition of "sense," anyway. ;) |
| 19:49 | oleonard | I'm going to start my own Koha support company for all the libraries who have only one item per bib |
| 19:49 | cait_afk | oh? :) |
| 19:51 | talljoy | and one item type and one branch right oleonard? |
| 19:51 | * talljoy | dreams of such a support contract. |
| 19:51 | cait_afk | talljoy: it would get boring fast :) |
| 19:52 | talljoy | cait_afk: very true! part of what i like is that this job is never boring. |
| 19:56 | drojf joined #koha | |
| 19:57 | cait_afk | me too :) |
| 19:58 | drojf | me three :) |
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| 20:06 | wizzyrea | mornin |
| 20:06 | drojf | hi wizzyrea |
| 20:06 | * drojf | is not sure what he 'three'd' on |
| 20:07 | cait_afk | that easy libraries with one branch, one itemtype and only one item per book would be boring ;) |
| 20:07 | wizzyrea | the job is never boring |
| 20:07 | cait_afk | morning wizzyrea |
| 20:07 | drojf: but I am glad you trusted us ;) | |
| 20:11 | drojf | cait_afk: of course! *lets go off the panic switch* |
| 20:11 | * cait_afk | nick cait |
| 20:11 | cait_afk | ok, I am probably not really afk |
| 20:12 | drojf | now do the password :) |
| 20:12 | cait_afk | hm? |
| 20:13 | drojf | (21:11:34) ***cait_afk nick cait <- i thought you tried to change your nick |
| 20:13 | cait_afk | oh |
| 20:16 | bag | afternoon peeps |
| 20:16 | cait | hi bag |
| 20:16 | bag | hi there cait |
| 20:22 | cait | oleonard: retesting acq navigation now :) |
| 20:22 | * oleonard | crosses his fingers |
| 20:22 | wizzyrea | oh did someone do something magical to acq navigation? |
| 20:22 | cait | oh yes someone did |
| 20:22 | wizzyrea | omg. <3 |
| 20:22 | fantastic | |
| 20:22 | cait | heh |
| 20:23 | a second set of eyes is welcome ;) | |
| 20:23 | oleonard | A start of a cleanup anyway |
| 20:23 | cait | bug 8913 |
| 20:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8913 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Improve acquisitions navigation |
| 20:23 | cait | oleonard: can I add a todo for the invoices page? :) |
| 20:23 | oleonard | Yes |
| 20:24 | cait | yay |
| 20:26 | delete vendor button looks good now | |
| 20:27 | * wizzyrea | hugs oleonard |
| 20:27 | wizzyrea | i am really excited about that patch. |
| 20:27 | cait | ... |
| 20:27 | * cait | hugs oleonard more |
| 20:28 | cait | :P |
| 20:28 | oleonard | Yay, hugs! |
| 20:28 | cait | hm |
| 20:28 | wizzyrea | I would bounce and squee but i'm not sure I have the energy for that |
| 20:28 | cait | lol |
| 20:28 | tired? | |
| 20:28 | wizzyrea | hehe yes |
| 20:29 | up late + strange dreams | |
| 20:29 | * chris_n | hands wizzyrea more strong coffee |
| 20:29 | wizzyrea | :) thank you |
| 20:31 | jcamins | chris_n: how on earth did you figure out the datatables+jeditable stuff for the quotes editor? |
| 20:32 | I'm shamelessly cribbing off your work for a different project, and it is fiendishly complex. | |
| 20:32 | * wizzyrea | proposes it has something to do with "he's brilliant" |
| 20:32 | chris_n | jcamins: indeed it is |
| 20:32 | but not due to my brilliance | |
| 20:32 | * chris_n | has spent the morning in samba+ldap purgatory |
| 20:33 | chris_n | jcamins: its really not bad once you get a handle on what's going on with datatables |
| 20:33 | and very slick things can be done with it all | |
| 20:33 | jcamins | I finally got datatables loading my data happily, but as a result I have killed the saving. |
| 20:34 | chris_n | ouch |
| 20:34 | * rangi | pops in |
| 20:34 | rangi | if we could rip out tinymce and replace it wiath that |
| 20:34 | that would make our lives a lot easier | |
| 20:34 | jcamins | rangi: I'm using tinymce too. |
| 20:35 | jEditable doesn't support rich text... does it? | |
| 20:35 | rangi | tinymce has been removed from debian |
| 20:35 | jcamins | A quick Google search says "sure, why not?" |
| 20:35 | oleonard | rangi: Why? |
| 20:36 | jcamins | Huh. |
| 20:36 | rangi | well tinymce2 anyway which we use has been, cos its obsolete |
| 20:36 | * wizzyrea | faints |
| 20:37 | * cait | feels guilty |
| 20:37 | rangi | so we could move to 3 |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | no fait from happiness |
| 20:38 | * jcamins | is using tinymce3. |
| 20:38 | rangi | or get rid of it all together |
| 20:40 | cait | oleonard: you pass qa :) |
| 20:40 | oleonard | Hooray! |
| 20:40 | * cait | hopes wizzyrea does not faint again |
| 20:40 | jcamins | Hmm... jeditable+markitup will not do what I need. |
| 20:40 | oleonard | I guess my commit message on Bug 9172 fails to mention that I upgrade to version 3.5.8 |
| 20:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9172 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory |
| 20:40 | oleonard | But yeah, upgraded. |
| 20:41 | FWIW | |
| 20:42 | rangi | cool thats alright then |
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| 20:45 | oleonard | Oh I guess I do mention it |
| 20:46 | * oleonard | pushes a freshly-rebased and conflict-resolved version of the branch |
| 20:47 | cait | morning kathryn :) |
| 20:47 | oleonard: so now we need to find a volunteer for sign-off | |
| 20:47 | :) | |
| 20:54 | jcamins | No I will not do your homework for you. |
| 20:55 | drojf | do i have a dejavu? |
| 20:56 | * jcamins | hopes he never graduates, because he's going to be the worst programmer ever at this rate. |
| 20:56 | drojf | lol |
| 20:58 | oleonard | Wow that guy has quite a history |
| 21:00 | cait | hm? |
| 21:00 | ah | |
| 21:00 | forget I kinda asked | |
| 21:01 | jcamins | oleonard: yeah, none of it good. |
| 21:03 | cait | oleonard++ |
| 21:03 | i found 8662 :) | |
| 21:03 | drojf | good day. i have a one line question for you. please answer in essay form so i can tell you that this is not what i was looking for :) |
| 21:04 | cait | oleonard: hm jonathan requested we make a survey or something |
| 21:04 | could we get some quick votes on that bug from #koha? | |
| 21:05 | bug 8662 | |
| 21:05 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8662 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Remove unused famfamfam icons |
| 21:06 | * jcamins | does not have an opinion. |
| 21:09 | cait | jcamins: do you want me to add this to the bug? :) |
| 21:09 | drojf | that did not sound like he wants us to vote on the bug |
| 21:11 | cait | he probably just has really no opinion |
| 21:12 | jcamins | I don't think you have to update the bug with the fact that I don't have an opinion. |
| 21:12 | cait | I was joking |
| 21:15 | um | |
| 21:15 | drojf | »Shocking: RM does not have opinion on proposed icon removal. Read all about it on Bugzilla« … nah |
| 21:15 | cait | what is $DBversion = "3.11.00.016"; doing? |
| 21:15 | it looks like it untranslates a lot of my translated permissions. | |
| 21:15 | drojf: better in the newsletter | |
| 21:17 | drojf | cait: exactly :9 |
| 21:17 | :) | |
| 21:17 | * cait | glares a tiny little bit at wizzyrea |
| 21:17 | wizzyrea | WHY |
| 21:17 | cait | bug 9283 |
| 21:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9283 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Change structure of export checkouts form |
| 21:17 | cait | hm no |
| 21:17 | not that one | |
| 21:18 | bug 9382 | |
| 21:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9382 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Bold necessary permissions for staff client access. |
| 21:18 | wizzyrea | oh no why does that induce glaring |
| 21:18 | cait | see comment - you untranslate my translations |
| 21:18 | wizzyrea | oh. well I'm sorry :( |
| 21:18 | * wizzyrea | is making an omelet |
| 21:19 | jcamins | Mmmm. Omelets! |
| 21:19 | cait | wizzyrea: is that an attempt to distract me? |
| 21:19 | wizzyrea | nope, just pointing out that making an omelet requires breaking eggs |
| 21:19 | cait | it coudl be done without breaking eggs |
| 21:20 | wizzyrea | but yes, we can probably fix that |
| 21:20 | cait | well, not the omelett maybe... not without some special equipment |
| 21:20 | wizzyrea | right, we'll add some mushrooms or something. |
| 21:20 | ;) | |
| 21:20 | copious amounts of butter | |
| 21:21 | cait | wizzyrea: you could check for the bad text |
| 21:21 | instead of ofr the flag | |
| 21:22 | so if someone corrected or changed, it would not overwrite | |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | yep I'll look into it |
| 21:24 | cait | also |
| 21:24 | +INSERT INTO `userflags` VALUES(17,'staffaccess','Allow staff members to modify permissions for other staff members',0); | |
| 21:24 | might not e correct | |
| 21:24 | I think tha tis what INSERT INTO `userflags` VALUES(5,'permissions','Set user permissions',0); | |
| 21:24 | does | |
| 21:24 | we ran into that recently | |
| 21:26 | hmmm | |
| 21:26 | I think it#s about changing other staff accoutns | |
| 21:26 | gmcharlt | excuse me one moment -- need to check something about the bot |
| 21:26 | wahanui | gmcharlt: internet is needed to catch the etherbunny |
| 21:26 | cait | like we had a library that couldnot set a password on another staff acount without it, but was not able to give or take permissons iwth it |
| 21:26 | gmcharlt | #startmeeting |
| 21:26 | huginn | gmcharlt: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' |
| 21:26 | wahanui | if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
| 21:26 | i already had it that way, huginn. | |
| 21:26 | gmcharlt | #starting meeting test |
| 21:26 | #startmeeting test | |
| 21:27 | huginn | Meeting started Tue Feb 12 21:26:59 2013 UTC. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 21:27 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 21:27 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: test) | |
| 21:27 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'test' |
| 21:27 | gmcharlt | #topic the question |
| 21:27 | Topic for #koha is now the question (Meeting topic: test) | |
| 21:27 | gmcharlt | #startvote Cake, or death? Cake, Death |
| 21:27 | huginn | Begin voting on: Cake, or death? Valid vote options are Cake, Death. |
| 21:27 | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | |
| 21:27 | gmcharlt | #vote Cake |
| 21:27 | #showvote | |
| 21:27 | huginn | Cake (1): gmcharlt |
| 21:27 | gmcharlt | #endvote |
| 21:27 | huginn | Voted on "Cake, or death?" Results are |
| 21:27 | Cake (1): gmcharlt | |
| 21:27 | gmcharlt | #endmeeting |
| 21:27 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
| 21:27 | huginn | Meeting ended Tue Feb 12 21:27:40 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 21:27 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-02-12-21.26.html | |
| 21:27 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]3-02-12-21.26.txt | |
| 21:27 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]12-21.26.log.html | |
| 21:27 | gmcharlt | thanks! and sorry about that |
| 21:29 | * chris_n | waves at gmcharlt as he goes by |
| 21:29 | gmcharlt | chris_n: howdy! |
| 21:29 | by the way, if you're still poking around with Strawberry, I'd be curious to know how the new releases of MARC::File::XML and MARC::Charset I made fare | |
| 21:30 | cait | hm |
| 21:30 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]mbers-toolbar.inc - last lines, do they make sense? | |
| 21:31 | chris_n | gmcharlt: I'll make a note to check |
| 21:31 | gmcharlt | chris_n++ |
| 21:31 | * chris_n | generally only pokes at strawberries with a fork though ;-) |
| 21:32 | chris_n | preferably supported by shortcake and covered with a heavy layer of whipped cream |
| 21:32 | * chris_n | heads off to find food with that thought |
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| 21:32 | alohabot | Hi mib_ap2b9d, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 21:32 | eythian | hi |
| 21:33 | drojf | hi eythian |
| 21:35 | cait | hi eythian |
| 21:37 | rambutan | gmcharlt: think you had a passing interest in this previously, it's been updated a bit, and we're going to do some more work on it starting soon. https://github.com/AaronOgle/libpac |
| 21:37 | gmcharlt | rambutan: indeed, thanks for that |
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| 21:39 | jcamins | rambutan: what does it do? |
| 21:40 | rambutan | It's a public access control system. Controls patron logins, time allocations, printing controls, etc |
| 21:40 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 21:40 | rambutan | A la Envisionware, PC-Cop, Cassie, et al |
| 21:42 | wizzyrea | very cool |
| 21:42 | rambutan | Server side is MySql and web interface in node.js, client side is pure linux base with python code |
| 21:44 | it's probably at pre-alpha right now, but just needs some feature code on the server side to bring it up to beta. | |
| 21:45 | Major thing it lacks is a SIP interface. We have some sample code for for SIP, but expect that will require the team to do a snake dance to get implemented. | |
| 21:46 | jcamins | Why didn't you use libki? |
| 21:47 | drojf | i'm afraid to ask but who was it that mentioned putting koha to google summer of code? |
| 21:47 | jcamins | drojf: I said that someon else should do it. |
| 21:50 | magnuse | rambutan, jcamins: there's also Mycel from Oslo public library: https://github.com/digibib/mycel |
| 21:50 | jcamins | magnuse: I was just thinking about you earlier. |
| 21:50 | magnuse | awww... |
| 21:50 | ;-) | |
| 21:50 | jcamins | I am in the midst of staking MARC through the heart repeatedly, and thought you would like to know. :) |
| 21:51 | * magnuse | does a happy dance and cheers jcamins on |
| 21:51 | magnuse | how? |
| 21:52 | jcamins | magnuse: I'm working on a cataloging interface that is natively... non-MARC, anyway. |
| 21:52 | It has user-specified fields, input is via rich text, etc., etc. | |
| 21:53 | magnuse | and then "something" is turned into marc behind the scenes, or? |
| 21:53 | jcamins | It's stored as "something." |
| 21:53 | magnuse | ah |
| 21:53 | jcamins | XML. |
| 21:53 | magnuse | even better |
| 21:53 | wahanui | well, even better is what oleonard said just after that |
| 21:53 | magnuse | heh |
| 21:53 | any rdf/linked data? | |
| 21:54 | jcamins | Eventually. |
| 21:54 | magnuse | yay! |
| 21:54 | is it for koha, or more generic? | |
| 21:54 | jcamins | I'm also running roughshod over the distinction between bibs and authorities. |
| 21:54 | Much more generic. | |
| 21:54 | magnuse | ah |
| 21:54 | jcamins | It's the cataloging tool _I_ need _now_. |
| 21:54 | magnuse | so a standalone cataloguing thingy? |
| 21:55 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 21:55 | magnuse | hehe scratching_itches++ |
| 21:55 | jcamins | So far it doesn't do much. |
| 21:55 | But I've learned a lot about datatables. | |
| 21:55 | magnuse | hehe |
| 21:55 | jcamins | What I can't figure out is, why does the jeditable go away after I tab into it? |
| 21:55 | magnuse | just make sure it will still work when i have marc replaced by rdf |
| 21:55 | ;-) | |
| 21:56 | jcamins | Since my MARC crosswalk is still "TBD," that's not a problem. |
| 21:56 | magnuse | here's my latest foray into marc-slaying: https://github.com/MagnusEnger/MetaQuery |
| 21:57 | working on the backend now | |
| 21:57 | when i have time, which i really don't have... | |
| 21:57 | oops gotta run - have fun folks | |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | give leonard a squeeze |
| 21:58 | magnuse | :-) |
| 21:58 | jcamins | Nifty! |
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| 22:10 | dcook | Good morning, #koha |
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| 22:15 | druthb | rangi about? |
| 22:15 | gaetan_B | bye! |
| 22:16 | eythian | druthb: he's out at a client for the morning. |
| 22:16 | druthb | Thanks, eythian. :) |
| 22:16 | @later tell rangi are we going into 3.8.x and 3.10.x string freeze on Friday-ish? | |
| 22:16 | huginn | druthb: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:17 | drojf | »What is your plan for dealing with disappearing students? Please be as specific as possible.« GSOC sounds a little threatening |
| 22:17 | jcamins | Stupid tabs. |
| 22:18 | Everything else is working, so why won't they? | |
| 22:19 | drojf | any objections to me being mentor and student for koha together? i could use $5k ;) |
| 22:20 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 22:21 | cait | drojf: suggest tying them to a chair? |
| 22:22 | hm good night #koha :) | |
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| 22:22 | rangi | yup druthb |
| 22:23 | druthb | Awesomeness. I'll be adding the ccsr files for 3.10.x at the same time, so one commit... :) |
| 22:23 | jcamins | Okay, I made it work, but now I get a javascript error. |
| 22:23 | And working. | |
| 22:24 | * jcamins | is not amused. |
| 22:24 | * druthb | crosses her eyes at jcamins. |
| 22:31 | jcamins | Well, since it does work, I think I will ignore the problem. |
| 22:34 | cjh | \o/ |
| 22:37 | jcamins | Ha! |
| 22:37 | Fixed it _and_ eliminated the javascript errors. | |
| 22:38 | Hey, why don't we just use datatables+jeditable for our cataloging module? | |
| 22:45 | drojf | »You also grant Google the right to use your name, city, state, country, likeness, Project deliverables and statements made by or attributed to you relating to Google or your Project Submission or Google Summer of Code, for purposes of publicizing, advertising, or otherwise promoting the Google Summer of Code or similar future programs without any payment to you or to any other person or entity.« |
| 22:45 | my… likeness? | |
| 22:45 | cjh | they only want to clone you, nothing to worry about. |
| 22:45 | drojf | ah, alright then :) |
| 22:45 | wizzyrea | your picture. |
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| 22:48 | drojf | anyway, it is no problem to be a student ina project you already contriubuted to, so i am seriously considering to force someone of you to be a mentor and hand in one of those projects i never have time for |
| 22:48 | jcamins | If it's search, I'll be your mentor. :P |
| 22:49 | drojf | hahaha. i'm sorry. it is not search :D |
| 22:49 | * jcamins | will not be your mentor then. |
| 22:49 | jcamins | I might also consider being your mentor if it is an overhaul of the cataloging module. |
| 22:49 | Or authorities. | |
| 22:49 | wahanui | authorities are records that describe particular entities. |
| 22:50 | drojf | that program is about showing students the fun of programming free software, not showing them the evils of your project |
| 22:50 | cjh | hahaha |
| 22:52 | dcook | Detail pages that actually showed the MARC fields that corresponded to the bibliographic framework they were catalogued in would be pretty sweet... |
| 22:52 | Was there a limit to the number of students a mentor could have? | |
| 22:52 | It's not exploitation if the students are paid? | |
| 22:52 | drojf | i have not read the mentor part yet |
| 22:52 | dcook | Wait... |
| 22:53 | :p | |
| 22:53 | jcamins | dcook: I don't think anyone involved in Koha would be willing to take enough students for it to be an issue for Google. |
| 22:53 | dcook | I'm sure you're right, jcamins. |
| 22:53 | drojf | (e) That Google may publicly host a copy of the finished Project code; |
| 22:53 | yeah, free mirror | |
| 22:53 | gmcharlt | I've been org admin for GSoC for Evergreen before ... no way do you want to have more than one student per mentor, ever |
| 22:53 | dcook | I was just having a daydream about enlisting corps of students to do all the projects that we don't have time to do |
| 22:54 | drojf | lol gmcharlt |
| 22:54 | * jcamins | was thinking a half a student or a quarter student per mentor would be more reasonable. |
| 22:54 | gmcharlt | in fact, I'm strongly of the opinion that each student should have at least two mentors, or at least a mentor and somebody willing to be an active secondary mentor |
| 22:55 | dcook | Sort of like a teacher and a teaching assistant? |
| 22:55 | gmcharlt | and even beyond that, it's even better for the entire active community to be ready to act as mentors, at least in terms of interacting with the students |
| 22:55 | drojf | 7.1 Under no circumstances should the student's project involve a Koha search rewrite. |
| 22:55 | jcamins | lol |
| 22:55 | cjh | heh nice try drojf |
| 22:56 | rangi | drojf: html5 circulation app |
| 22:56 | gmcharlt | as I said in #evergreen just today ... Google looks unkindly on actually killing the students ;) |
| 22:56 | drojf | rangi: that is one |
| 22:56 | of the thinks i was thinking about, i mean | |
| 22:56 | rangi | cool |
| 22:56 | eythian | http://alethiosaur.tumblr.com/[…]s-blind-date-with |
| 22:56 | rangi | the nice thing is, it totally works on android with firefox too |
| 22:57 | gmcharlt | also, another tip: the point of the execise isn't really to get code from the student |
| 22:57 | jcamins | gmcharlt: good thing, because that's not likely to happen. |
| 22:57 | drojf | err. s/thinks/things |
| 22:57 | rangi | altho we did get biblios out of the last koha one |
| 22:57 | gmcharlt | I mean, of course you want that to happen, since you want the student to succeed, but the student's education, as it were, should come first |
| 22:57 | jcamins | Okay, so it happens occasionally. |
| 22:58 | rangi | so far 100% of the time on koha heheh |
| 22:58 | but yeah, chris catalfo was a special case | |
| 22:58 | * gmcharlt | would actually be quite optimistic about Koha's chances if we were to apply, given that on the whole we've done a good job of bringing in new developers anyway |
| 23:02 | jcamins | gmcharlt: we still have the problem of finding someone to volunteer to organize it. |
| 23:02 | dcook | Agreed, jcamins. |
| 23:03 | But I think gmcharlt is right too. I actually wrote a post the other day about how wonderful all of you have been in helping myself and others to get more involved in developing Koha. | |
| 23:03 | gmcharlt | jcamins: I'd be up for acting as org admin if a sufficient number of folks are willing to consider being mentors |
| 23:04 | drojf | i volunteer to be an easy student that does not need too many mentors :) |
| 23:04 | gmcharlt | but caveat mentor: at the very *lieast* one should plan on a time committment 5 hours a week during the course of GSoC to be a good mentor |
| 23:05 | dcook | How long is the GSoC? 12 weeks? |
| 23:06 | drojf | June 17: Students begin coding for their Google Summer of Code projects. |
| 23:06 | September 23: 19:00 UTCFirm 'pencils down' date. Mentors, students and organization administrators can begin submitting final evaluations to Google. | |
| 23:06 | http://www.google-melange.com/[…]c2013/help_page#2._What_is_the_program_timeline | |
| 23:06 | bag | @bug 8215 |
| 23:06 | huginn | bag: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8215 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add Course Reserves |
| 23:06 | bag | oh needs sign-off - anyone up for it :) |
| 23:06 | gmcharlt | and potential mentors in particular I'd expect to be involved in the student selection process |
| 23:07 | bag | I'll trade you by testing one of yours that needs sign-off? |
| 23:07 | dcook | I'll take a look, bag |
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| 23:07 | bag | sweet thank you! |
| 23:07 | dcook | Whew. It's not small! |
| 23:08 | bag | oh no :( |
| 23:08 | yeah it's not small | |
| 23:08 | I think it's failed before and khall-away has made the correct changes | |
| 23:09 | drojf | can we have a signoff-project too? we could call it… git experience? ;) |
| 23:09 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 23:09 | bag | HA |
| 23:10 | * gmcharlt | starts a new project on gitorious called pun-killer |
| 23:10 | gmcharlt | :-P |
| 23:11 | cjh | drojf: when do you graduate? |
| 23:11 | bag | dcook: I got another one - that maybe better for you |
| 23:11 | drojf | cjh: ha, don't ask ^^ |
| 23:11 | bag | @bug 7710 |
| 23:11 | huginn | bag: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7710 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , multiple holds per title |
| 23:11 | drojf | cjh: no seriuosly its probably not going to happen before beginning of next year |
| 23:12 | cjh | drojf: heh sorry :p, in *theory* I graduate mid June. |
| 23:12 | drojf | my typing sucks today |
| 23:12 | cjh: i think you could still play in the GSOC then | |
| 23:13 | As long as you are accepted into or enrolled in a college or university program as of May 27, 2013, you are eligible to participate in the program. | |
| 23:15 | cjh | drojf: I meet the requirements, but im not sure I would have sufficient time during the week to work on it. |
| 23:15 | drojf | its funny that they give a number of hours for mentors, but none for students |
| 23:15 | jcamins | drojf: 40 hours/week. |
| 23:15 | cjh | drojf: they mention a little about how it depends on the difficulty of the tasks |
| 23:16 | dcook | bag: All right. I'll give the test plan for 7710 a whirl |
| 23:17 | drojf | jcamins: come oooon. students! with money! you don't expect that :P |
| 23:17 | bag | cool thank you |
| 23:17 | dcook++ | |
| 23:18 | drojf | so is that semester break time in the US? because its like right in the semester for me |
| 23:19 | cjh | in the US they have a big summer holiday |
| 23:19 | jcamins | Yeah, no school May/June-August. |
| 23:19 | bag | I think in march they have "spring break" |
| 23:19 | drojf | with 20h/week jobs and writing my thesis it sounds pretty easy to put another 40h/week in ;) |
| 23:19 | gmcharlt | cjh: yeah, we all gotta farm during the summer |
| 23:20 | cjh | heh |
| 23:20 | bag | that's farmers tans gmcharlt |
| 23:21 | gmcharlt | bag++ |
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| 23:33 | dcook | Not looking good, bag :/ |
| 23:33 | But I think it might be my circ rules | |
| 23:34 | Koha certainly does have way too many different places that affect circ rules | |
| 23:38 | bag | yup there are a lot |
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| 23:42 | dcook | Mmm, I think I see... |
| 23:47 | eythian | jcamins: 1b4a26691529eec39319585f12a67575ca2b476d is the build-breaking patch. I haven't looked into why yet. |
| 23:47 | jcamins | Hm. And the follow-up didn't fix it? |
| 23:54 | dcook | It did end up being a bug, bag. I marked it as "Failed QA". That's the right procedure at the sign-off stage, right? |
| 23:55 | bag | your comments are enough thanks |
| 23:55 | rangi | yep |
| 23:55 | bag | khall-away: can look at it and then write up a patch and change it to needs sign off :) |
| 23:56 | oh whoops - your comments are enough (for me) left that part out :) but yup failed QA | |
| 23:56 | dcook | I was confused for a second there |
| 23:56 | Thanks bag and rangi :) |
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