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| 00:04 | spiker joined #koha | |
| 00:05 | jcamins | DInner time! |
| 00:05 | *Dinner | |
| 00:05 | papa joined #koha | |
| 00:13 | drojf joined #koha | |
| 00:14 | drojf | good late evening or early morning #koha ;) |
| 00:14 | dcook | morning, drojf |
| 00:15 | drojf | hi dcook |
| 00:22 | jcamins_away | spiker: I'm not here, and I'm leaving again, but don't change the username/password. Your librarians should never use the database user. You have to login with that user and create real users for them. |
| 00:22 | The database user should basically be used only by the system administrator. | |
| 00:23 | And if the system administrator has to look up the password with sudo, that's a good thing. | |
| 00:23 | * jcamins_away | leaves, after giving eythian a significant look about the packaging patches. |
| 00:23 | rangi | hes in training all day |
| 00:24 | drojf | hibye jcamins_away ;) |
| 00:24 | rangi | with http://schwern.net/ |
| 00:26 | drojf | hi rangi. that guy made a lot of perl stuff |
| 00:27 | DNA-0.03 Encodes your Perl program into an Nucleic Acid sequence <-- sounds like something everybody needs :) | |
| 00:28 | rangi | we use a ton of his stuff |
| 00:28 | like Test::Simple | |
| 00:28 | he also knows a crapton about git | |
| 00:29 | which is what cjh, wizzyrea_away and eythian_ are at today | |
| 00:29 | drojf | cool |
| 00:29 | i wish cool people would come to me to teach me stuff | |
| 00:29 | rangi | tomorrow is modern perl and style |
| 00:29 | im going to those 2 | |
| 00:29 | * dcook | = jealous |
| 00:30 | eythian_ | jcamins_away: there's an issue with the k-c.org repo that needs to be fixed first though. Email has been sent. |
| 00:30 | * ibeardslee | was going to style, until the 'plan' was mangled at short notice. |
| 00:31 | rangi | well they had like 2 days to convince him to change his tickets and come to wellington, so im not sure you can do too much planning in that time |
| 00:31 | im just stoked they got him here at all | |
| 00:32 | ibeardslee | that is true as well |
| 00:32 | eythian_ | yeah, that plan was created at short notice, so I'm not sure it can be mangled :) |
| 00:32 | rangi | the git one ended up being a full day |
| 00:32 | so things got pushed | |
| 00:32 | drojf | i'd probably have to learn a lot more before i could thoroughly enjoy such sessions |
| 00:33 | eythian_ | drojf: you'd know enough for this one |
| 00:33 | drojf | cool, i'll come by ;) |
| 00:34 | rangi | drojf: a much shorter version of his git talk is available as a video online |
| 00:34 | http://mirror.linux.org.au/lin[…]Ages_4_And_Up.ogv | |
| 00:35 | ibeardslee | it's a pity the git one was miss named .. I would have like to have been able to plan on making it. |
| 00:35 | drojf | cool, thanks. love the title |
| 00:35 | rangi | *nod* |
| 00:43 | drojf | i shouldn't start watching git videos at half past one in the morning. but it is a nice speaker |
| 00:43 | s/it/he | |
| 00:43 | rangi | yeah he is |
| 00:44 | http://www.grabone.co.nz/welli[…]flight-training-9 <-- looks like fun! | |
| 01:06 | dcook | Hmm, apparently Koha 3.8 and older versions of IE really do not get along... |
| 01:07 | rangi | i have no issues with that :) |
| 01:07 | dcook | :p |
| 01:07 | rangi | using older version of IE on the internet is incredibly dangerous |
| 01:09 | dcook | Hmm, seems like it |
| 01:09 | Why are IT departments the ones who are keeping organizations on old versions of IE then? | |
| 01:09 | rangi | heck even microsoft tell people not to |
| 01:10 | drojf | koha should hand out an exploit that automatically does format c: and installs linux to older IE versions :P just kidding. maybe |
| 01:10 | rangi | heh |
| 01:14 | dcook | While I think everyone hates IE, what are some preferred browsers out there? |
| 01:15 | rangi | firefox and chrome |
| 01:15 | both of them render js a lot faster than IE | |
| 01:15 | as an added bonus | |
| 01:15 | so cataloguing is faster | |
| 01:15 | dcook | They must have their opponents as well though |
| 01:15 | Besides corporate IT | |
| 01:15 | rangi | hmm not really |
| 01:16 | i dont find anyone who likes IE | |
| 01:16 | just people forced to use it | |
| 01:16 | drojf | ./rant ;) |
| 01:16 | dcook | ;) |
| 01:16 | That's what I've found as well | |
| 01:16 | People forced to use it | |
| 01:17 | But I just don't understand why someone or something would force it upon them | |
| 01:17 | rangi | usually it boils down the reasons drojf mentioned |
| 01:17 | dcook | Mmm |
| 01:17 | rangi | IT depts have forgotten what they are for |
| 01:17 | they are there to serve the users | |
| 01:18 | a lot of them think their time is more important, and so they do what is easiest for them | |
| 01:18 | drojf | i have heard of organisations that had someone develop $stuff for them, and that only works with IE 6. so they will use it forever. because they paid for $stuff 10+ years ago |
| 01:18 | rangi | there is that too |
| 01:18 | dcook | Mmm, I've also heard this |
| 01:18 | rangi | a lot of south korea is run on activex |
| 01:18 | they they locked to IE | |
| 01:18 | and old IE | |
| 01:18 | drojf | does activex still exist? :) |
| 01:18 | rangi | nope |
| 01:19 | only in old IE | |
| 01:19 | drojf | heh |
| 01:19 | mtj | ^^ alot of old govt/corperate webapps only run on IE/activex, and its too expensive to fix them |
| 01:19 | rangi | thats why open standards/languages are so much better |
| 01:20 | dcook | I certainly would not disagree |
| 01:22 | mtj | .. ive heard the same stories from govt.nz IT staff too |
| 01:22 | rangi | lots of intranets |
| 01:23 | mtj | yep, stuck on ie/activex/winxp |
| 01:24 | drojf | there seems to be a strong interest in MS preventing that. we had the city of munich switch to linux for public services and lately there has been a "study" that came to the result that everything would be cheaper if they [i don't remeber: either »would not have switched to linux« or even »would switch back to MS now«]. a study initiated by MS and they also left out the license costs for MS products. that is the point where i stopped reading. there |
| 01:25 | rangi | yeah |
| 01:25 | dcook | Ugh |
| 01:25 | Reminds me of a few non-IT studies that I've read in recent years. | |
| 01:25 | Always done by the producers of the product being marketed, of course | |
| 01:26 | rangi | yep |
| 01:28 | drojf | i mean… it's really easy at least for future employees. make it a rule to only use and teach free(dom) software in schools/ universities. bam, nobody cries if s/he cannot use MS word. but of course MS goes into schools and universities and throws their stuff out for free and for some reasons that i don't understand, people are buying into that |
| 01:30 | rangi | people look at now, not tomorrow |
| 01:30 | </gross generalisation> | |
| 01:30 | dcook | hehe |
| 01:31 | drojf | true, unfortunately. for most people in charge of something. now and immediate future is what is important to get you re-/elected for $whatever |
| 01:31 | rangi | yup |
| 01:31 | dcook | Mmm, very true |
| 01:31 | drojf | people don't remember what cool stuff you did 5 or 10 years ago |
| 01:31 | so why care? :/ | |
| 01:31 | dcook | Yet, the trend is to follow the trends :p |
| 01:32 | rangi | dcook: but in libraryland usually after the trend is no longer relevant |
| 01:32 | :) | |
| 01:32 | dcook | Very true |
| 01:32 | wahanui | I know. That's why I said it. |
| 01:32 | rangi | heh wahanui |
| 01:32 | wahanui | it has been said that heh i am good |
| 01:33 | drojf | you are :D |
| 01:41 | the longer i think about it… the preference of making people use proprietary software instead of free software and the privatisation of public goods (think water, electricy, public transportation…) seems to be propagated by the same (kind of) people. and no matter how hard i try, i cannot find a valid reason for it, besides bribes and corruption. what positive outcome for the general public to there ever be? | |
| 01:42 | could there ever be | |
| 01:42 | rangi | there isn't |
| 01:42 | but they don't care about that | |
| 01:43 | dcook | I think the argument for proprietary software might include security/reliability (which is bogus as we've already pointed out), and as for privatisation of public goods, I think the idea is that competition allows for cheaper prices and more efficiency (which is also quite bogus) |
| 01:43 | rangi | yep |
| 01:43 | and those are reasons thought up to try to give some legitimacy to what is a fairly thinly disguised money grab | |
| 01:44 | dcook | I'm originally from a conservative region where the privatization of public goods has been a hot topic for years (despite our province also being the birthplace of medicare and the first province to be entirely electrified, as well as filled to the brim with co-ops that we all used for our banks, our grocery stores, our gas stations, etc) |
| 01:44 | rangi | privatise profit, socialise losses |
| 01:44 | its a trend | |
| 01:44 | cept in iceland | |
| 01:44 | :) | |
| 01:44 | dcook | Oh? |
| 01:45 | rangi | they had a referendum |
| 01:45 | voted to not bail out the banks | |
| 01:45 | and jailed the bankers instead | |
| 01:46 | dcook | Whoa! |
| 01:46 | rangi | http://newschooljournal.com/20[…]-crisis-response/ |
| 01:46 | dcook | What happened after that? |
| 01:46 | rangi | one of the few growing economies in the world |
| 01:46 | the debt is all not real anyway | |
| 01:47 | drojf | dcook: it can never be cheaper than the actual costs. so either your public service used to put a lot of extra stuff on the bill that did not have to do with anything and taking that out makes it look cheaper, or you are being betrayed. or, they screw with the environment and/or people, and for instance throw out waste into the ocean, which might reduce costs. but that is something nobody would want ( i hope) |
| 01:47 | rangi | only about 1/3 of money in circulation actually exists |
| 01:47 | drojf | iceland++ |
| 01:48 | css-- | |
| 01:48 | well, it's probably me, not css | |
| 01:48 | dcook | ie-- |
| 01:49 | iceland++ | |
| 01:49 | Fair enough, drojf | |
| 01:49 | Admittedly, as we have mentioned though, there is a lot of waste in public service when the motto of "business as usual" is followed. | |
| 01:50 | I'd rather stronger reviews in public service than privatisation though | |
| 01:51 | As you say, it can never be cheaper than the actual costs | |
| 01:51 | My reasoning might be full of holes atm. Still no air conditioning. Brain might be melting. | |
| 01:52 | drojf | that is what privatisation / »public-private partnership« is all about. to make you believe it is possible to do it cheaper. |
| 01:52 | dcook | Well, I suppose that's capitalism in general even |
| 01:56 | drojf | i think so, yes |
| 01:59 | dcook | Hmm, anyone have any idea what the "* HTML DIV" type styles are for in staff-global.css? |
| 02:01 | drojf | given that i completely fail to understand css every time i try to use it (like, now), i would not dare to answer that |
| 02:02 | rangi | heh |
| 02:02 | dcook | Hehe. Fair enough. |
| 02:02 | rangi | yeah me too |
| 02:02 | dcook | What are you getting up to with CSS? |
| 02:02 | I've used the * selector before, but always after the elements, not before. As far as I know, using it in this context is redundant | |
| 02:03 | But then applying height and overflow attributes to ever div seems odd as well | |
| 02:03 | Although it doesn't seem to be a problem in any browser except the old ones | |
| 02:03 | * dcook | assumes Owen will have an answer |
| 02:03 | rangi | he usually does |
| 02:07 | dcook | Mmm |
| 02:07 | * dcook | just remembered that putting a * before the elements in CSS is a IE specific hack |
| 02:07 | dcook | In this case, it seems to be a silly one as it creates a problem rather than fixing one... |
| 02:07 | No wonder it doesn't affect modern browsers | |
| 02:12 | drojf | dcook: don't forget that you need a special hack for probably every version of IE |
| 02:13 | dcook | Mmm, good point |
| 02:13 | I'm a bit surprised to find no comments around this one though | |
| 02:17 | drojf | err. whatever i have been doing i could fix by *throwing out all css about that element*. and it only took me 30+min to figure it out. just to reinforce i should not answer any questions regarding css ;) |
| 02:18 | dcook | Hehe. Understood ;) |
| 02:23 | Hmm. Well, I'm going to join you on that one. Seems like that IE hack has been there for years...and somehow isn't the cause of the problem, even though turning it off in my problem situation fixes the problem... | |
| 02:30 | mtj | dcook, curious what browser are you testing on? |
| 02:30 | dcook | Internet Explorer, of course |
| 02:30 | I'm using 9 with the F12 developer tools | |
| 02:30 | I'm getting the issues when I use the Quirks mode document mode | |
| 02:30 | Of course | |
| 02:31 | I think someone is using IE 6 and getting problems, but it looks to me that they must've always had problems with any version of Koha | |
| 02:32 | I've double-checked the back-up though, and it does look like the IE hack is the one creating the problem, which it probably was meant to solve? | |
| 02:45 | eythian_ | http://docs.bugseverywhere.org/master/ |
| 02:49 | rangi | thats like cil that andy did |
| 02:50 | https://github.com/chilts/cil | |
| 02:51 | eythian_ | yeah |
| 02:52 | drojf | good night |
| 02:52 | wahanui | I watch you sleep. |
| 02:52 | drojf | i know :/ |
| 02:54 | eythian_ | wahanui: good night is also <reply>I'll be waiting for you to come back, $who. |
| 02:54 | wahanui | okay, eythian_. |
| 03:10 | mtj | andy's cil thing looks well clever |
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| 03:59 | mtj | schema? |
| 03:59 | wahanui | i guess schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org |
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| 04:02 | Brooke | kia ora |
| 04:06 | mtj | hey Brooke |
| 04:07 | Brooke | what's up? |
| 04:07 | mtj | whole lotta shakin' |
| 04:08 | Brooke | roger that |
| 04:09 | mtj | sorry i missed seeing-you-off at the airport in wgtn, i got crazy sick the day before… :/ |
| 04:10 | (not sure if we've chatted since then?) | |
| 04:15 | Brooke | thought we did |
| 04:15 | it's all good | |
| 04:15 | you were so sweet when I was there :) | |
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| 05:15 | govind | koha installation |
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| 05:51 | paul_p | hello #koha |
| 05:52 | dcook | morning, paul_p |
| 05:53 | paul_p | dcook morning almost finished where I am now (Delhi, india). I'm here for ICAL2013 (http://www.ipu.ac.in/ical2013/index.htm) |
| 05:54 | dcook | I was wondering why your ip was different :p |
| 05:54 | Hmm, the link didn't work for me | |
| 05:55 | How is it? | |
| 05:56 | paul_p | dcook = it starts tomorrow, so for the conference, I don't know how it is. For Delhi & India, my main surprise is that the weather is very very nice. Something like 15° in the morning, and 20-25° during the day. So different compared to Mumbai in oct (KohaCon11) |
| 05:57 | dcook ICAL = International Conference for Academic Libraries. The main topic being "cloud computing" (and of course Koha as ILS on the cloud). 250-300 registrations | |
| 06:01 | * paul_p | still impressed to see what happened in the last 10 years, since the 1st mail I sent to koha mailing list saying "i'll work on Koha" (because my employer just goes bankrupcy & i've a religious library friend of mine that is looking for a free ILS) |
| 06:02 | dcook | Hehe |
| 06:02 | Well, I'm glad to hear that the weather has been nice | |
| 06:02 | I'm sure ICAL will be very interesting, especially since it seems that Koha is increasingly popular in India | |
| 06:02 | I would like to hear more about how you got involved in the project actually, but I have to run along to prepare for a dinner party | |
| 06:03 | I actually just took a look at the number of patches I've had pushed since my first last March. I think it's around 24. Not too bad considering I was out of commission for 4.5 months and incredibly busy. | |
| 06:04 | Hopefully, I'll find some time soon to actually start signing off more patches than just adding to the pile | |
| 06:05 | En tout cas, bonne chance demain, paul_p. Bonne journée :) | |
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| 06:47 | magnuse | heh http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
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| 06:52 | cait | morning magnuse :) |
| 06:53 | lol | |
| 07:11 | magnuse | hiya cait |
| 07:15 | cait | morning :) |
| 07:16 | oh repeating myself... | |
| 07:16 | magnuse | in norway we say that a good thing can not be said too often ;-) |
| 07:19 | cait | :) |
| 07:19 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 07:19 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -5.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 11, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.61 in 1003 hPa (Falling). |
| 07:39 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 07:39 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 11, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:39 | magnuse | windchill-- |
| 07:39 | @wunder karasjok | |
| 07:39 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Karasjok, Norway is -22.2°C (8:39 AM CET on February 11, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: -25.0°C. Windchill: -22.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:40 | magnuse | @wunder kautokeino |
| 07:40 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Kautokeino, Norway is -24.0°C (7:00 AM CET on February 11, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -27.0°C. Pressure: 30.37 in 1028 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:40 | magnuse | @wunder rrs |
| 07:40 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Roros Lufthavn, Norway is -9.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 11, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:41 | * magnuse | wonders if the change from XML::SAX to XML::LibXML in MARC::File::XML affects the koha installation process |
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| 07:44 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:44 | wahanui | hola, reiveune |
| 07:44 | cait | bbl |
| 07:45 | magnuse | bonjour reiveune |
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| 07:50 | marcelr | hi koha |
| 07:51 | magnuse | cait++ for qa'ing |
| 07:51 | hiya marcelr | |
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| 07:55 | asaurat | hi |
| 07:55 | wahanui | salut, asaurat |
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| 07:58 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:58 | ambars | hi |
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| 07:59 | ambars | i got my koha setup working and it's looking great! |
| 07:59 | :) | |
| 08:00 | thank you, koha! | |
| 08:00 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 08:00 | wahanui | hello, alex_a |
| 08:01 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
| 08:01 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 6.8°C (9:01 AM CET on February 11, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). |
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| 08:03 | marcelr | hi magnuse asaurat alex_a |
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| 08:11 | alex_a | hi Manderson |
| 08:11 | hi marcelr | |
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| 08:20 | marcelr | hi kf: thx for qa |
| 08:20 | kf | marcelr: you are welcome |
| 08:21 | marcelr: I haven't had much time lately - very sorry for that | |
| 08:21 | marcelr | i know that |
| 08:21 | :) | |
| 08:21 | kf | hope it will be better next week, some deadlines form my distance study will be over then |
| 08:21 | and either I made them... or not :) | |
| 08:21 | marcelr | ok |
| 08:21 | queue is quite large | |
| 08:23 | kf | yeah :( |
| 08:23 | I only had about half an hour this morning, so didn't tackle the bigger patches | |
| 08:23 | but there is lots | |
| 08:24 | and lots of good things too | |
| 08:24 | marcelr | yeah, just the number is misleading.. |
| 08:25 | kf | i would love to see bootstrap replacing yui for example |
| 08:25 | for better accessibility | |
| 08:25 | marcelr | seems a big one |
| 08:25 | kf | yeah |
| 08:25 | but probably not as hard to test as some of the circ stuff | |
| 08:26 | we will see. | |
| 08:26 | marcelr | yes |
| 08:26 | kf | thx for your qa work :) |
| 08:26 | marcelr | it is not so much as i would like.. |
| 08:27 | kf | i guess it never is... |
| 08:27 | but as long as we keep moving it will be fine :) | |
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| 09:14 | Herwig | Morning & help my users dissapeared in koha |
| 09:14 | annyone had this ? | |
| 09:15 | kf | Herwig: we need a bit more inforamtion to help you |
| 09:15 | what do you mean by your users disappeared? | |
| 09:16 | Herwig | i cant see them in the patron list |
| 09:16 | friday they where still there | |
| 09:16 | or saterday | |
| 09:17 | and i tested 2 they can still login | |
| 09:17 | only the patron list is reste to a previous state | |
| 09:17 | i put in a lot off patrons last week | |
| 09:17 | now they are invissible :OP | |
| 09:18 | zebra ? | |
| 09:18 | wahanui | i think zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses |
| 09:19 | kf | Herwig: you can't search them by name? |
| 09:19 | did you update koha since then? | |
| 09:19 | patron search doesn't use zebra. | |
| 09:19 | Herwig | no i only get me |
| 09:19 | kf | are they registered at other branches? |
| 09:19 | did you activate the independentbranches system preference? | |
| 09:19 | Herwig | i have 2 branches but did not do the other yet |
| 09:20 | would reindexing help ? | |
| 09:20 | kf | nope |
| 09:20 | as I said | |
| 09:20 | patron search does not use zebra. | |
| 09:20 | Herwig | oeps |
| 09:20 | kf | it's totally unrelated ;) |
| 09:20 | my guess is, that you are logged in at another branch | |
| 09:20 | whatis your koha version? | |
| 09:21 | Herwig | with branch you are reffering to the library ? |
| 09:21 | 3.08.09.000 | |
| 09:22 | kf | yes |
| 09:22 | it will show up in the upper corner | |
| 09:22 | the branch you are logged in at | |
| 09:23 | can you go to the system preferences and check your setting for independentbranches? | |
| 09:24 | Herwig | i can search myself but i'm not under the corresponding letter wait i do what you say |
| 09:25 | dont prevent | |
| 09:25 | it is | |
| 09:26 | kf | hm |
| 09:26 | I am not sure really | |
| 09:26 | I know that the search all functionaltiy does not work in 3.8 | |
| 09:26 | so you have to give some search term | |
| 09:26 | or search for patrons at a library | |
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| 09:27 | Herwig | its like there still in the database but i dont see them |
| 09:27 | wait i try login as admin | |
| 09:28 | kf | if your user don't has borrowers permission that could be another reaso |
| 09:29 | Herwig | no dont see annything |
| 09:29 | the previous account was super librarian | |
| 09:30 | same with this one | |
| 09:31 | kf | hm I am running out of ideas Herwig |
| 09:32 | Herwig | is it possible that the system restores to a previous state ? |
| 09:32 | my collegue is reporting something diffrent missing | |
| 09:33 | i'm looking into it | |
| 09:33 | kf | not the systemno |
| 09:33 | I mean it can't restore to a previous state, it woudl have to be something an admin did | |
| 09:33 | server side | |
| 09:34 | Herwig | i asked but they said no |
| 09:34 | hmz | |
| 09:34 | kf | yeah. hmpf. |
| 09:34 | Herwig | i do a database dump daily i try restore the friday one on a test machine and see what that brings |
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| 10:20 | Herwig | we maybe found the problem ... disk space on the machine is 0 % left |
| 10:20 | admin will make it bigger this afthernoon (its a virtual machine) | |
| 11:28 | kf: it's solved it was the diskspace but thx for the information | |
| 11:29 | even linux needs diskspace | |
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| 11:51 | kf | Herwig: makes sense - glad you found it |
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| 13:09 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 13:17 | kf | hi oleonard |
| 13:18 | oleonard: sorry for failing the acq navigation :( | |
| 13:18 | oleonard | Sorry to keep making you test it over again :) |
| 13:18 | kf | no problem :) |
| 13:21 | magnuse | oleonard++ kf++ |
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| 13:22 | magnuse | namaste paul_p |
| 13:22 | kf | oleonard: and I always test those first again that I failed before... so it stays on top of my list |
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| 13:25 | paul_p | namaste magnuse (internet connexion quite randomly working here...) |
| 13:26 | kf | hi paul_p :) |
| 13:26 | how is India? :) | |
| 13:26 | an and zeno is coming to the hackfest | |
| 13:27 | paul_p | kf surprisingly cold !!! weather is absolutely perfect. 15°C in the morning, 20-25° maximum. sunny, a tiny wind, really absolutely perfect ! |
| 13:27 | kf | sounds nice :) |
| 13:27 | not too warm | |
| 13:27 | hope you have a good time! what is this conf about? | |
| 13:29 | paul_p | kf other than this, it can be compared to Mumbaï (lot of ppl, lot of pollution, lot of traffic, ...) |
| 13:30 | kf it's ICAL2013 (International Conference for Academic Libraries). The main topic is "cloud computing, how can it help indian libraries" | |
| 13:30 | kf | ah |
| 13:30 | interesting | |
| 13:30 | wahanui | i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 13:30 | kf | here privacy is a big concern about cloud computing |
| 13:30 | well... at least about clouds with servers somewhere | |
| 13:31 | oleonard++ #patching the chromium bug :) | |
| 13:31 | oleonard | Should I get karma for patching a bug I caused? :) |
| 13:31 | kf | hm yes, because you care about it |
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| 14:19 | Nicole C. Engard: add idreambooks images | |
| 14:24 | kf | oleonard: seeing your fix for bug 9545 - I think I reported a bug in that area you might address |
| 14:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9545 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Fix Import Marc Bibliographic Framework Text Label |
| 14:25 | kf | ah |
| 14:25 | 8558 | |
| 14:25 | bug 8558 | |
| 14:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8558 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Better confirmation message for importing frameworks |
| 14:26 | oleonard | Oh, I'm sorry I didn't see that before. I did revise that message in my fix for 9545 to make it more readable. |
| 14:26 | kf | was just checking your code to see if it might fix it :) |
| 14:26 | I was only wondering if we coudl add the framework to the confirmation message | |
| 14:26 | because I always panic and wonder if I really clicked the right entry | |
| 14:27 | oleonard | My fix doesn't address your bug, but I agree that it's a good idea |
| 14:27 | kf | thx for always working on the stray templates :) |
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| 14:56 | oleonard | kf: I resubmitted my patch for Bug 8913 and left it as 'signed off' because the change was minor. If you disagree please feel free to set it to 'needs signoff' |
| 14:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8913 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Improve acquisitions navigation |
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| 15:11 | kf | oleonard: it's ok for me :) |
| 15:11 | do you want me to open a separate bug for the invoices page? | |
| 15:12 | it's rather new so I think you didn't cover it in your patch because it was not there back then | |
| 15:12 | oleonard | I would like to handle further changes in follow-ups. If you think a separate bug is best I'm okay with that. |
| 15:12 | kf | I think jcamins_away likes it better if a bug is not reopened after pushing the initial feature |
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| 15:32 | druthb | Wahoo! The Pootle server now has a v3.12 project, and it includes the ccsr theme! :D |
| 15:34 | translators++ | |
| 15:37 | kf | wahoo :) |
| 15:39 | magnuse | druthb++ |
| 15:39 | druthb | I wanna get the ccsr theme on the 3.10 branch, tooooooo. |
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| 15:40 | * kf | coughs loudly 23426 words need attention |
| 15:41 | kf | omg. |
| 15:41 | drojf | ouch |
| 15:41 | how did that happen? | |
| 15:42 | kf | new features I guess |
| 15:42 | and rewritten templates | |
| 15:42 | druthb | Most of it on staff, it looks like. |
| 15:42 | kf | but that's a good thing in general.. I mean fixing things |
| 15:42 | druthb: most of it is always staff... it will get a lot worse when nicole submits her help files | |
| 15:42 | drojf | if you want to read help files, learn english :P |
| 15:43 | * druthb | chains drojf to the desk, and locks the browser into Pootle. |
| 15:43 | drojf | noooooooo |
| 15:43 | * druthb | cracks the whip. |
| 15:43 | kf | you know the problem, we can't easily ignore the help files... |
| 15:43 | lol | |
| 15:43 | druthb++ :P | |
| 15:43 | druthb | For whip-crackin? |
| 15:44 | kf | for makign drojf do it :P |
| 15:44 | druthb | I dunno. 23Kwords. Might need both of ya. |
| 15:44 | drojf | unfortunately i have to study instead of doing unpaid translation :P |
| 15:44 | druthb | Norwegian is a hot mess too. |
| 15:44 | * druthb | cracks the whip on magnuse, too |
| 15:45 | drojf | @seen mveron |
| 15:45 | huginn | drojf: mveron was last seen in #koha 4 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 13 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <mveron> BRB |
| 15:45 | drojf | hm |
| 15:45 | druthb | http://translate.koha-community.org/en_NZ/312/ #giggles |
| 15:46 | drojf | heh, nz english requires a lot of attention |
| 15:47 | when is translation time? | |
| 15:47 | ah, i pout that on the wiki i think | |
| 15:47 | String freeze - May 1 Starting on May 1, no patch (other than security patches) changing translatable strings will be accepted for Koha 3.12.0. | |
| 15:49 | * magnuse | sighs |
| 15:50 | will hardly be upgrading to 3.12.0 anyway... | |
| 15:53 | drojf | like, never? |
| 15:53 | oh, 3.12.0. that probably never | |
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| 15:54 | drojf | but the words won't go away, you know? ;) |
| 15:54 | * drojf | applies for the job of a pope |
| 15:54 | drojf | and then we will do vatikoha |
| 15:56 | in latin | |
| 15:56 | kf | bernardo++ :) |
| 15:57 | drojf: lol | |
| 15:57 | druthb: en-nz is cheating | |
| 15:57 | they just copy over | |
| 15:57 | most of it | |
| 15:57 | wahanui | most of it is alive again afaict |
| 15:58 | druthb | wahanui: forget most of it |
| 15:58 | wahanui | druthb: I forgot most of it |
| 15:59 | * druthb | thinks drojf would make a dandy pope. Plus, two German popes in a row--that's *never* happened. We hadda wait a looooong time for this one, and he turned out to be...less awesome than his predecessor. |
| 16:00 | kf | drojf for pope! |
| 16:00 | * kf | hides |
| 16:03 | drojf | oh, and i would inherit the @pontifex twitter account \o/ |
| 16:12 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:16 | druthb | no need to hide, kf; looks like drojf is all for it! |
| 16:16 | he has my vote, fer sure. | |
| 16:16 | kf | druthb: more worried about everyone else |
| 16:17 | druthb | psst...hey, drojf...when you're Pope, will you talk to people about funding libraries better? Oh, and that whole LGBT equality thing? Yeah, Benedict XVI got it All Wrong, and people like me get killed by their (Catholic) neighbors a lot. |
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| 16:19 | druthb | :P |
| 16:20 | drojf | druthb: yeah i'm beginning to wonder where i will find enough LGBT hate to qualify for the job |
| 16:21 | also, faith in a god | |
| 16:22 | druthb | That would be a problem, yes. |
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| 16:23 | druthb | For someone who heads a religion that preaches universal love to all mankind, the incumbent sure seemed to dislike a lot of people. |
| 16:24 | drojf | true |
| 16:24 | but only because they are bad! :/ | |
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| 16:25 | * druthb | suggests you ask any of her teammates, or kf, or any one of a dozen other regulars here, if she's a bad person, and then compare that to Benedict's opinion of me, and weigh appropriately. |
| 16:26 | alaquerre | HI all, - Question : How can we send Html email using notification ? I do see the "Html Message" checkbox, but I'm not able to make it work ? |
| 16:27 | It's always plain text whatever I try. | |
| 16:28 | kf | alaquerre: I think there is a wiki article that might be able to help you |
| 16:28 | let me look for it | |
| 16:29 | I haven't tried myself yet, but I kinda filed away that ther was information ont he wiki if I wanted to :) | |
| 16:29 | alaquerre | Do you know where that wiki is ? Can't find anything in the doc on that subject. |
| 16:30 | kf | give me a min |
| 16:31 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Notices_and_Slips | |
| 16:31 | there are some examples that might be useful I think | |
| 16:32 | alaquerre | That's what I was looking for. :-) Thanks for your help! |
| 16:32 | kf | you are welcome |
| 16:32 | hope it works | |
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| 16:37 | bag | morning |
| 16:37 | wahanui | rumour has it morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast |
| 16:37 | chris_n | just when you thought you were safe: http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl[…]acks-online-video |
| 16:39 | kf | hi chris_n and ba |
| 16:39 | g | |
| 16:40 | chris_n | heya kf |
| 16:41 | alaquerre | kf: Just an FYI : I was not able to make it work. I tested it on "ACQCLAIM" notice and still getting plain text. In the wiki you provided me, it mention : Only tested out on checkout and checkin. Look like the process of "send letter" is not completly on this new way to work. |
| 16:41 | Just to let you know :-) | |
| 16:42 | kf | alaquerre: aah |
| 16:43 | don't do it with acqclaim | |
| 16:43 | * drojf | tries to continue studying |
| 16:43 | kf | it probably won't work |
| 16:43 | try it with checkout/checkin/due/predue or something like that | |
| 16:44 | I think serials/acq might not work I think | |
| 16:45 | * kf | leaves :) bye all |
| 16:45 | kf | ! |
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| 16:48 | jcamins_away | magnuse: why aren't you going to upgrade to 3.12? |
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| 16:53 | jcamins | HTML notices are not working. |
| 16:54 | The HTML support broke all notices so I reverted it. | |
| 16:55 | alaquerre | jcamins : okay thanks, I was not sure what I was doing wrong... |
| 16:55 | jcamins | Nothing. :) |
| 16:55 | * jcamins | suspects that kf blocked out my rage over the debacle from her memory. |
| 16:56 | * oleonard | remembers jcamins telling us how he woke up the next morning wearing nothing but a pair of stretched out purple pants |
| 16:56 | jcamins | lol |
| 16:57 | alaquerre | I'll ask you another question :-). We are currently looking to put in place a "Google calendar" like system in Koha. Mainly do deal with Hold. What do you think of the idea ? What we want to be able to easily put "hard hold" on item ( materials like camera, computer and stuff like that.) |
| 16:58 | jcamins | Ummm... |
| 16:58 | I think I'd have to see a demo. | |
| 16:58 | alaquerre | Where ? :-) |
| 16:58 | jcamins | However, the calendar _definitely_ needs to be overhauled. |
| 16:58 | alaquerre | ok sorry... |
| 16:58 | ok | |
| 16:59 | jcamins | I'm having trouble envisioning the workflow with a working calendar. |
| 17:00 | alaquerre | What we think : Put a "google like" calendar when user click on "hold" on an item. We need to handle : recuring hold and blocking hold. |
| 17:00 | user = Staff at first... | |
| 17:01 | We want to give the ability to let say : Hold a specific DVD for friday PM for 4 months. | |
| 17:01 | jcamins | Ooh. |
| 17:01 | That would be really cool! | |
| 17:01 | _Really_ cool. | |
| 17:01 | alaquerre | We also want to have a "visual" display of the current DVD. |
| 17:01 | jcamins | I think it would be a huge undertaking, though. |
| 17:02 | alaquerre | I know :-) but right now, my user are dealing with a second software... ($$$) |
| 17:02 | jcamins | And I would remind you that with developments that big if you don't contribute code to the community in small chunks you end up with an expensive dead end. |
| 17:02 | :) | |
| 17:03 | alaquerre | Next question : I know we are into the opensource software, but how can I "make sure" it will be accepted. (you read in my mind) |
| 17:03 | jcamins | As it happens, I have written a veritable essay on how to make sure your developments go in. |
| 17:03 | I will find it and share it. | |
| 17:05 | alaquerre | Because I wont start this project if I know it's not accepted, and the internationale community will never be able to tell me it will be accepted... until it is :-) |
| 17:05 | I would luv to read on it. | |
| 17:05 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "alaquerre: my screed on good development practices" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/387 |
| 17:06 | alaquerre | jcamins: Thanks |
| 17:06 | jcamins | You may need to paste that into a word processor. I had not realized it would end up with absurdly long lines like that. |
| 17:06 | oleonard | Was that originally an email to the list jcamins? |
| 17:06 | jcamins | oleonard: it was not. |
| 17:08 | oleonard | jcamins++ # great summary |
| 17:08 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 17:08 | Something else worth mentioning would be "ask for advice early and often." | |
| 17:09 | oleonard | There are so many steps in that list which could, individually, sink a potential feature |
| 17:12 | (if not followed) | |
| 17:12 | alaquerre | All right, thanks for the advices. If I catch it properly, we should in the first phase only put the "google calendar" system and make sure it's autorized by the community, then extend with reccuring hold, blocking hold and some other feature... |
| 17:12 | * slef | returns to kebab some more kittens |
| 17:13 | slef | yes, alaquerre woke the slef by mentioning the evil google |
| 17:13 | alaquerre | And this first phase would only replace the current calendar feature we have. |
| 17:13 | slef | if it's google, make sure it's optional |
| 17:13 | alaquerre | it "google like" and not "google" ;-) |
| 17:15 | slef | it's a trojan for privacy invasion and advert sales? |
| 17:15 | ;) | |
| 17:15 | jcamins | alaquerre: yeah, that would make sense. And in order to do that first step, you'll have to figure out exactly where the calendar needs to show up. |
| 17:16 | slef | chris_n: that doesn't surprise me one bit, sadly. Do you have a CERT you can report it to? |
| 17:16 | alaquerre | slef:Do you prefer Microsoft Calendar ? ;-) |
| 17:16 | slef | alaquerre: I prefer the calendar we sell ;-) |
| 17:16 | (based on sogo.nu) | |
| 17:17 | alaquerre | jcamins : okay,let me do my homework with my community and I'll get back to you guys for questions/answers before we jump in. THanks again!!! |
| 17:17 | jcamins | You're welcome. I look forward to seeing what you come up with! |
| 17:17 | :D | |
| 17:17 | alaquerre | ciao! leaving for lunch. |
| 17:17 | oleonard | slef: based on = customized? |
| 17:17 | * oleonard | hadn't heard of sogo |
| 17:17 | chris_n | slef: working on getting the logs together atm |
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| 17:18 | chris_n | they've worked from about 4 different ip blocks over the past 5 days |
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| 17:18 | slef | oleonard: integrated with a mailserver and cloud file synchronisation. |
| 17:19 | oooh mardi gras tomorrow | |
| 17:24 | oleonard | slef: Sounds like a nice alternative to Google Apps for Business |
| 17:25 | bag | yeah mardi gras |
| 17:26 | great contribution to the conversation there bag! | |
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| 17:30 | oleonard | bag: :) |
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| 17:41 | oleonard | bgkriegel++ # for signoffs! |
| 17:43 | bgkriegel | :) |
| 17:47 | gaetan_B | bye! |
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| 17:50 | oleonard | Do I recall correctly that jenkins fails the manual build because of é and è in the French translation? |
| 17:51 | jcamins | oleonard: something like that, yes. |
| 17:51 | oleonard | I wonder if there are others too |
| 17:52 | * oleonard | doesn't know how to run the test himself |
| 17:52 | jcamins | I don't know either, actually. |
| 17:55 | bgkriegel | I think is "xmllint --valid fr/manual.xml" |
| 17:55 | that gives errors | |
| 17:55 | cait | bgkriegel++ |
| 17:55 | lots of sign-offs! | |
| 17:55 | bgkriegel | It's holiday here :) |
| 17:56 | cait | even bgkriegel++ then :) |
| 17:56 | bgkriegel | thanks |
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| 18:01 | oleonard | xmllint doesn't like the numeric character reference for the euro symbol either, but it doesn't mind € ? |
| 18:02 | I wonder if the unicode is widely acceptable... | |
| 18:02 | cait | I think it should be unicode |
| 18:02 | else you can't do something like arabic | |
| 18:03 | probably | |
| 18:03 | hm. maybe I shoudl have dinner. | |
| 18:04 | oleonard | maybe I should have lunch |
| 18:04 | * cait | nods |
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| 18:50 | oleonard | xmllint gives other errors regarding the document structure...I'm surprised the original editor let them pass |
| 18:51 | * jcamins | just learned about XForms. |
| 18:51 | oleonard | nengard: What's the editor you use for the manual again? |
| 18:52 | jcamins | I have concluded it is not nearly as useful as one might hope. |
| 18:54 | nengard | oxygen |
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| 19:16 | jcamins | @marc 541 |
| 19:16 | huginn | jcamins: Information on the immediate source of acquisition of the described materials. The field is used primarily for original or historical items or other archival collections. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,d,e,f,h,n,o,3,5,6,8] |
| 19:16 | jcamins | @marc 545 |
| 19:16 | huginn | jcamins: Biographical information about an individual or historical information about an institution or an event used as the main entry of the bibliographic record for the described materials. When a distinction between levels of detail is required, a brief summary is given in subfield $a and a fuller annotation is given in subfield $b. (Repeatable) [a,b,u,6,8] |
| 19:16 | jcamins | That's the one. |
| 19:16 | @marc 561 | |
| 19:16 | huginn | jcamins: A copy-specific field that contains information concerning the ownership and custodial history of the described materials from the time of their creation to the time of their accessioning, including the time at which individual items or group of items were first brought together in their current arrangement or collation. (Repeatable) [a,3,5,6,8] |
| 19:16 | jcamins | @marc 563 |
| 19:16 | huginn | jcamins: Intended primarily for use with antiquarian materials, rare books and other special collections. (Repeatable) [a,u,3,5,6,8] |
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| 19:33 | jcamins | oleonard: you are quite right. |
| 19:35 | * jcamins | updates the bug to reflect the larger scope of the problem. |
| 19:40 | oleonard | jcamins: I'm glad you turned up Bug 3908, because I thought I was crazy for thinking I'd fixed Bug 7608 before |
| 19:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3908 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, oleonard, CLOSED FIXED, Edit subscription page shows manual history block by default |
| 19:40 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7608 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , Manual history is always 'enabled' | |
| 19:40 | oleonard | Same fix too... |
| 19:40 | jcamins | Yeah, I was a little confused. |
| 19:41 | I guess maybe 3908 went into 3.0-stable and not 3.1-devel. | |
| 19:45 | * oleonard | notices step 8 in jcamins' patch's test plan, "Sign off on patch." |
| 19:45 | oleonard | So that's what I've been leaving out! |
| 19:45 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 19:45 | Just making sure all is clear. | |
| 19:45 | oleonard | Actually I'm very lucky. I hardly ever have patches languish. |
| 19:46 | cait | because we love your patches :) |
| 19:46 | hm I should look up languish just to make sure | |
| 19:46 | oh good | |
| 19:48 | oleonard | :) |
| 19:58 | * wizzyrea_away | waves |
| 20:02 | oleonard | The cascade of ternary operators at line 984+ of opac-detail.pl makes my head hurt. |
| 20:05 | * cait | sends aspirin and cookies |
| 20:07 | jcamins | Wow. |
| 20:07 | Hi wizzyrea! | |
| 20:08 | pastebot | "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "oleonard: out of curiosity, does reformatting it like this help at all?" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/388 |
| 20:08 | jcamins | wizzyrea: any chance I could get you to revert commit c0e60a9079c8ffa970676172870eab75ccbcac5d from 3.6.x? |
| 20:08 | wizzyrea | sure |
| 20:08 | jcamins | Thanks! |
| 20:08 | wizzyrea++ | |
| 20:09 | wizzyrea | also yes about the license - but not right this second |
| 20:09 | jcamins | License? |
| 20:09 | wahanui | hmmm... License is GPLv3+. |
| 20:09 | jcamins | Thanks, wahanui. |
| 20:09 | wahanui | jcamins: bitte |
| 20:09 | wizzyrea | you sent me a later |
| 20:09 | jcamins | I did? |
| 20:09 | Oh, yes! | |
| 20:09 | oleonard | Like three days ago eh? |
| 20:09 | jcamins | I did! |
| 20:10 | * wizzyrea | hasn't been around |
| 20:14 | jcamins | I hope you were doing something fun? :) |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | git training :P |
| 20:14 | jcamins | Nice! |
| 20:15 | * wizzyrea | would talk more but can't at the moment :( |
| 20:17 | * oleonard | shushes everyone so that wizzyrea can get back to listening to the tumblers on the safe |
| 20:17 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 20:19 | cait | wizzyrea: git training sounds fun :) |
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| 20:49 | oleonard | The size of this search form is too damn wide! http://screencast.com/t/HWpyLdoU |
| 20:49 | cait | yep |
| 20:49 | I thought that too today | |
| 20:49 | maybe some of it could be part of the + part? | |
| 20:49 | oleonard | I thought it was another HTML5 bug at first. I guess I hadn't noticed the new option yet |
| 20:50 | cait | I think it was something slef did not too long ago |
| 20:50 | oleonard | cait: I'm thinking maybe show just the text input and the "search fields" option? |
| 20:51 | jcamins | Wow, that's really wide! |
| 20:51 | slef | oh patrons search? |
| 20:51 | cait | yes |
| 20:51 | I like the functionality | |
| 20:51 | oleonard | I'm sure that would make someone mad |
| 20:51 | cait | only it's bit much to take in |
| 20:51 | slef | (I can't see screencast) |
| 20:51 | * jcamins | vaguely remembers that the change was necessary to make the search work again. |
| 20:51 | slef | jcamins: FSVO "work". We'd lost functionality we used to have. |
| 20:52 | jcamins | Right. |
| 20:52 | cait | it's stil not finding all patrons when you send an empty serach... |
| 20:52 | just noting. sigh. | |
| 20:52 | we used to have that too | |
| 20:54 | hm | |
| 20:54 | someone an idea about bug 9579? | |
| 20:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9579 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, Incorrect display of UNICODE symbols in 'Refine Search Results' |
| 20:55 | cait | my armenian is a bit rusty... |
| 20:55 | jcamins | No idea. |
| 20:55 | slef | cait: search for _ or __ IIRC, but that's a bug. |
| 20:55 | cait | slef: huh? |
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| 20:56 | slef | "finding all patrons when you send an empty serach" |
| 20:56 | cait | you are confusing me :) |
| 20:56 | but that's easy to do | |
| 21:00 | oleonard | Search for an empty space I think cait. " " |
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| 21:01 | cait | ah thx! |
| 21:01 | oleonard | Sorry wahanui, did that disagree with you? |
| 21:02 | eythian_ | wahanui has fainting spells |
| 21:02 | wahanui | eythian_: i'm not following you... |
| 21:03 | slef | huh? |
| 21:03 | wahanui: huh? | |
| 21:03 | wahanui | i don't know, slef |
| 21:07 | oleonard | Do people use the "order by" option when searching patrons? |
| 21:08 | cait | hm not sure |
| 21:13 | oleonard | talljoy++ |
| 21:13 | Thanks for your help with patron deletions talljoy | |
| 21:13 | talljoy | no problem. thank goodness for backups! |
| 21:14 | bag | YAY backups! |
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| 21:51 | rangi | eythian_: puck was telling me tinymce2 isn't in wheezy (it was in squeeze but has been taken out) |
| 21:52 | so we might have to look into replacing that | |
| 21:52 | eythian_ | oh, that's unfortunate. |
| 21:53 | Actually, I can't remember if we use the packaged version or not, I'd have to check. | |
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| 22:07 | alohabot | Hi mib_cn8suk, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 22:07 | mib_cn8suk | hello to everybody |
| 22:07 | anyone works with SSO, and proxy CAS? | |
| 22:09 | rangi | not me im afraid |
| 22:09 | jcamins | Not me. |
| 22:10 | mib_cn8suk | ok |
| 22:10 | Its driving me mad | |
| 22:10 | :( | |
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| 22:14 | dcook | Morning, #koha |
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| 22:18 | bag | morning dcook |
| 22:18 | hopefully good | |
| 22:19 | dcook | The weather outside has cooled off a bit but the office is still a bit of a hot box. Reasonably good nonetheless though :) |
| 22:20 | It's afternoon there? | |
| 22:21 | bag | yup about 2:30 |
| 22:22 | eythian_ | @wunder nzwn |
| 22:22 | huginn | eythian_: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on February 12, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). |
| 22:22 | bag | @wunder 93102 |
| 22:22 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in Near Mission - TC, Santa Barbara, California is 14.9°C (2:22 PM PST on February 11, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Falling). |
| 22:24 | dcook | @wunder sydney, australia |
| 22:24 | huginn | dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 20.0°C (9:00 AM EST on February 12, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
| 22:24 | dcook | Santa Barbara sounds pretty good about now ;) |
| 22:25 | bag | it always sounds about the same :) |
| 22:26 | maybe in the summer we get up to 24 | |
| 22:27 | dcook | Oh neat |
| 22:27 | I went to uni with TheRealArty | |
| 22:28 | rangi | yep, i gave her chocolate at access 2011 |
| 22:28 | dcook | Always a surefire way to win someone over ;) |
| 22:28 | rangi | cos she submitted a bug report for koha, in shirley lews class |
| 22:28 | dcook | Hehe. Sweet. |
| 22:29 | bag | ah shirley lew! |
| 22:29 | dcook | Alas, I did not end up taking that class, as I was here in Aus |
| 22:29 | bag | we are hosting her "sandbox" |
| 22:29 | rangi | yep |
| 22:29 | dcook | As far as I know, she's not teaching at SLAIS anymore :/ |
| 22:34 | Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel has been a machine lately. It's great! | |
| 22:35 | rangi | yep |
| 22:36 | dcook | I guess I need to find some other bugs to test now though :p |
| 22:37 | rangi | there's plenty ;) |
| 22:37 | dcook | Actually, that reminds me... |
| 22:38 | Off the top of your head, does Zebra require any tweaks to work with a dev install? | |
| 22:39 | jcamins | No. |
| 22:40 | dcook | I love your brevity, jcamins ;) |
| 22:40 | Good to know | |
| 22:42 | bag | tweaks in what sense? |
| 22:42 | dom or grs1? | |
| 22:45 | jcamins | None. |
| 22:46 | You can use either without modifying any configuration files manually. | |
| 22:46 | * bag | didn't understand the term "tweaks" I guess I have a different definition than jared (my bad) |
| 22:47 | bag | :) |
| 22:47 | dcook | Sorry, bag. I meant in terms of modifying files manually |
| 22:47 | bag | ahhh than we are all good dcook - that's all the matters :) |
| 22:48 | dcook | For some reason, I haven't gotten Zebra to work on my dev install yet, and I haven't had the time to really focus on getting it up and running yet. But...when I do...it'll help with testing patches |
| 22:48 | I thought that switching between dom and grs1 did require changes outside of the webui though. Mind you, I haven't looked at that since last year either | |
| 22:50 | bag | I've seen that sometimes there are some group/user issues with the daemon before |
| 22:52 | dcook | Hmm. How do you mean? |
| 22:52 | bag | looking one sec |
| 22:53 | dcook | Sure. Thanks, bag :) |
| 22:54 | bag | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]koha-zebra-ctl.sh |
| 22:55 | the GROUP and USER statement there | |
| 22:55 | but it has been awhile since I've gone from step one of the install docs - so my knowledge could be a bit "old" | |
| 22:55 | which has been proven before :P | |
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| 23:00 | dcook | Ohhh...I think I might see what you're saying |
| 23:00 | Hmm, maybe not | |
| 23:01 | bag | HA see what I mean |
| 23:01 | dcook | Well, I'm still rather new to Linux and Zebra, so I'm probably just missing something |
| 23:03 | bag | yeah permissions was what got me BIG time in the beginning |
| 23:03 | jcamins | dcook: you should be using your user rather than sudo for all Zebra-related commands. |
| 23:03 | dcook | Permissions definitely gave me quite a headache at first too. I'm sure jcamins could attest to that with my early patches |
| 23:03 | jcamins | That's what bag was getting at. :) |
| 23:03 | dcook | Ahh |
| 23:03 | Thanks for the clarification :) | |
| 23:04 | I don't have root access anyway, so I'm always doing everything as a user | |
| 23:06 | Wait... | |
| 23:06 | But "a user" and "your user" are different, as the user specified in that file is koha whereas I'm logged in as a different user | |
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| 23:13 | dcook | I've never had to use the Zebra u/n and p/w when using yaz though, so I'm thinking perhaps this isn't the issue. |
| 23:13 | I'm trying a re-index now, and I think it might be working | |
| 23:13 | * dcook | thinks the issue might've been that I wasn't exporting my PERL5LIB and Koha_conf before... |
| 23:14 | jcamins | No, I meant your login user. |
| 23:14 | And, yeah, PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF are very important. | |
| 23:14 | dcook | :P |
| 23:16 | In the past, I think I just saw errors when I tried something, and I chocked it up to inexperience, so I put it off for another time. | |
| 23:16 | One of these days, I'm going to do a standard install and a dev install from scratch, and right up some wiki docs from the "rookie" perspective. | |
| 23:17 | Hmm.. | |
| 23:17 | Ok, now I'm thinking that it is a permission/user issue | |
| 23:18 | 10:11:20-12/02 zebraidx(4995) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=.../lock/zebradb/biblios/norm..LCK [Permission denied] | |
| 23:18 | 10:11:20-12/02 zebraidx(4995) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=.../lock/zebradb/biblios/shadow..LCK [Permission denied] | |
| 23:18 | 10:11:20-12/02 zebraidx(4995) [fatal] Could not select database biblios errCode=109 | |
| 23:18 | 10:11:20-12/02 zebraidx(4996) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=.../lock/zebradb/biblios/norm..LCK [Permission denied] | |
| 23:18 | 10:11:20-12/02 zebraidx(4996) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/.../lock/zebradb/biblios/shadow..LCK [Permission denied] | |
| 23:18 | 10:11:20-12/02 zebraidx(4996) [fatal] Could not select database biblios errCode=109 | |
| 23:18 | eythian_ | if you've run it as root, you've probably broken all your permissions. |
| 23:18 | dcook | I've never run as root, but perhaps someone else has? |
| 23:18 | I'm not running as the Zebra user though | |
| 23:19 | eythian_ | you typically run it as the koha user |
| 23:19 | you don't normally have a zebra user | |
| 23:19 | dcook | Hmm |
| 23:19 | And the koha user is which one? | |
| 23:20 | bag, the one mentioned in koha-zebra-ctl.sh? | |
| 23:20 | eythian_ | have a look through your users and see if you have one. It's often called koha. |
| 23:20 | jcamins | dcook: in a dev install, the koha user is the one that you installed Koha as. |
| 23:20 | eythian_ | oh, dev install |
| 23:20 | wahanui | dev install is on, some cataloging already goin, so I guess I;m almost there |
| 23:21 | jcamins | So if the git clone is /home/dcook/kohaclone, it's probably dcook. |
| 23:21 | dcook | Hmm |
| 23:21 | eythian_ | yeah, often just your own user. |
| 23:21 | dcook | I didn't do the dev install though |
| 23:21 | eythian_ | what did you do then? |
| 23:21 | dcook | I suggested running a dev install, and my boss is the one who did it |
| 23:22 | When you do the dev install, is your user picked up and written into a config somewhere? | |
| 23:22 | eythian_ | no |
| 23:22 | it's just the owner of the files | |
| 23:23 | dcook | Hmm |
| 23:23 | Well, I am the owner, so maybe he did use my user | |
| 23:23 | Unless he chowned it afterward | |
| 23:23 | eythian_ | why don't you check? |
| 23:24 | bgkriegel | dcook: do an 'ls -l' |
| 23:24 | eythian_ | who owns the lock files that you are getting the errors on? |
| 23:24 | dcook | Just did, and yeah I'm the owner |
| 23:24 | Ah | |
| 23:24 | That...makes more sense, eythian_, lol | |
| 23:24 | * dcook | facepalm |
| 23:25 | dcook | I'm the owner of the git, but not the dev directory with all the symbolic links |
| 23:26 | eythian_ | More importantly, who owns the lock file and the zebra database files. |
| 23:26 | that's what your problem is. You are best looking at your problem to start with. | |
| 23:27 | dcook | Reasonable advice is reasonable |
| 23:29 | * dcook | is running the re-index now |
| 23:30 | dcook | It's very interesting going from front-end support to back-end support. Zebra was always made to seem very mystical, but it's all logic... |
| 23:30 | eythian_ | it'll go back to being mystical soon enough |
| 23:30 | dcook | Without a doubt |
| 23:30 | 10:26:53-12/02 zebraidx(9184) [warn] Unknown register type: | |
| 23:31 | At least some records seem to have been indexed though | |
| 23:34 | Or maybe they were all indexed. I see a Zebralist post from Fridolyn regarding unknown register type but those had a type code in the warning... | |
| 23:35 | In any case, thanks heaps eythian_ and jcamins! | |
| 23:35 | eythian_ | I have no idea what that error means |
| 23:35 | dcook | I'll investigate :) |
| 23:36 | My search is finally working now regardless, although I'd hate to ignore any error message... | |
| 23:36 | bag | :) |
| 23:36 | dcook | Thanks to you too, bag! |
| 23:36 | bag | sorry checked out there for a bit - but eythian is great! |
| 23:38 | dcook | I think I'm going to have to buy quite a few thank you beers in October :p |
| 23:40 | jcamins | That warning is nothing to worry about. |
| 23:40 | dcook | No? |
| 23:40 | wahanui | http://i.imgur.com/hVVuP.jpg |
| 23:40 | dcook | lol |
| 23:40 | jcamins | Annoying, but not disastrous. |
| 23:41 | dcook | What's it caused by? |
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| 23:51 | dcook | Hmm. I'll have to keep it in the back of my mind |
| 23:53 | And to have incrementalzebra.pl working, you need to set up a cronjob |
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