IRC log for #koha, 2013-02-08

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00:01 dcook bag: the powered by Bywater Solutions onesie is cute ;)
00:01 bag HA yeah that was a gift from nengard :)
00:01 dcook I don't think my partner would let me put a "Powered by Koha" onesie on our future babies. I'm a bit jealous :p
00:01 nengard++
00:02 bag I've got a future koha developer one too
00:02 dcook :D
00:02 wizzyrea :) cute
00:05 dcook I might be squeeing to my partner about that right now ;)
00:06 bag (squeeing) still always makes me do a double-take
00:07 dcook It always makes me think of a MTG goblin card, but I have the feeling it makes you think of something different
00:11 bag hmmm…  I only have one deck of MTG - a friend built it for me and that's all I've ever used :)
00:11 but yup you are correct
00:15 mtj bag, i always imagine to squee - is to wet oneself from excitement
00:15 bag yup
00:16 mtj now squooing on the other hand...
00:18 wizzyrea hm
00:18 * wizzyrea has never done sqpeeing
00:20 bag wizzyrea: college rules!
00:20 HA
00:30 dcook Hmmm. What does this mean to people?
00:30 500 <= $tag && $tag < 600
00:30 tweetbot` ..http://t.co/tku5VJi0"
00:30 jcamins dcook: that there's a typo.
00:31 dcook Somewhat glad to hear it
00:32 I'm guessing... $tag >= 500 && $tag < 600?
00:32 Trying to target notes fields..
00:32 rangi same thing
00:32 jcamins Oooh.
00:32 Right.
00:32 I see.
00:32 bag oh it's friday for you all isn't it
00:32 cjh I don't see the typo, both of those expressions are equiv.
00:32 rangi that says $tag is greater than or equal to 500 and less than 600
00:32 bag almost beer time :)
00:32 rangi what cjh said
00:32 gmcharlt more idomatic (at least as far as catalogers would think of it) is $tag =~ /^5/;
00:33 jcamins 500 <= $tag rather than $tag >= 500
00:33 * cjh thought he was going crazy
00:33 rangi :)
00:33 cjh I think the current form is more clear, as I read it as 500 <= $tag < 600
00:33 jcamins I prefer index($tag) == 0
00:33 eythian wahanui: beer o'clock
00:33 wahanui hmmm... beer o'clock is a vital part of the Koha development process.
00:33 jcamins Yeah, now I see it.
00:34 bag you see beer o'clock
00:34 dcook Mmm, I was wondering if that was the case when I looked at it, but I wanted to make sure
00:34 That makes me feel somewhat better
00:34 It is Friday but only 11:31am here :p
00:34 The aircon isn't working though, so a cold beer would be great about now
00:35 bag yup
00:35 * dcook hasn't drank so much water in his life
00:36 dcook Hmm, that 500 <= $tag < 600 might still be pointless though, as it's in additem.pl
00:37 The only tag worth considering would be 952, me would think
00:41 bag that does seem logically correct for additem
00:43 dcook How do you mean?
00:44 It looks like the only value in $tag will be 952, since it's pulling the tag from the MARC object created by GetMarcItem
00:47 bag right I mean you are correct
00:47 it should only look at the 952 :)
00:48 jenkins_koha Starting build #1041 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
00:49 bag hey rangi did this ever work back in 2009?  http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ruary/008273.html
00:49 * rangi looks
00:50 dcook Ah, I thought that's what you were saying, but I wasn't sure :p
00:50 rangi probably
00:50 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9499' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]bd8dca308e2b622fb> / Bug 9499 - --itemscontent= option is undocumented in advanced-notice.pl cronjob ... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]47f9dc0abab59c476> / Merge branch 'bug_9034' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=ko
00:51 dcook Oooh, I wonder if 9499 is exactly what I've been needing to figure out...
00:51 jcamins What was the problem?
00:52 wizzyrea "why the predues show issuedate instead of due date"
00:52 >.>
00:53 at a guess.
00:53 * dcook has been wondering if you could use <itemcontent> in advanced notices
00:53 dcook Or rather...the digests
00:53 jcamins Ah.
00:53 Yes.
00:53 wizzyrea sure you can
00:54 dcook Sweet. I have been meaning to try it, but just been on the back burner. I think the default notice in the letter table might just be a <count>
00:54 wizzyrea oh digests no
00:54 dcook Ahh, dinger
00:54 wizzyrea you can't do items.content in the digests.
00:55 dcook So digests can only do borrower info and a count?
00:55 wizzyrea yep
00:56 at least as I understand the code.
00:56 dcook Hmm, that's too bad
00:56 wizzyrea you could fix it :)
00:56 dcook I'm thinking I might have to ;)
00:56 wizzyrea be rangi
00:56 dcook Eventually
00:56 wahanui Send a patch!
00:56 cjh heh
00:56 hahah
00:56 wizzyrea ^>^
00:56 dcook Hehe
00:56 I don't know where a lot of you folk find the time!
00:57 Rangi and jcamins most of all, of course
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01:00 bag how was dinner NateC
01:01 NateC good
01:03 ok im outa here again :)
01:03 bag flybye
01:04 rangi heh
01:36 dcook Hey, jcamins. Would you look at your dev OPAC again? When I look at it today, it has that weird display issue I was talking about yesterday
01:36 In Chrome
01:37 jcamins dcook: hmm.
01:37 What was the problem?
01:37 wizzyrea and what's the URL/
01:38 jcamins Everything looks normal to me.
01:38 dcook The sprite is showing the cart and the arrow
01:38 Really?
01:38 jcamins Yup.
01:38 dcook I'll screenshot it
01:40 http://imgur.com/6JSEDem
01:40 wizzyrea looks ok to me too in chromium and firefox
01:40 jcamins Very odd.
01:40 I don't see that.
01:40 wizzyrea is your resolution very small?
01:40 slef font differences?
01:41 wizzyrea oh hi slef
01:41 dcook The thing is...if I switch between master and 9002, it works for 9002 (which isn't that old) and not for master
01:41 slef hi. I'm not really still here trying to get an SSL proxy working correctly.
01:41 dcook There is a <i> element above the span. If I delete that in the Chrome dev, it looks normal again.
01:41 But the same <i> element is there in 9002
01:41 Font and resolution are the same :/
01:42 Odd that your dev site worked for me yesterday but not today, jcamins O_o
01:43 jcamins dcook: well, I am on latest master.
01:44 bag kados?
01:45 hmm I figured wahanui would have something smart to say
01:45 wizzyrea be kados?
01:45 wahanui It's a fork it's a fork it's a fork fork fork
01:46 bag thanks wizzyrea
01:46 wizzyrea be kados?
01:46 wahanui It's not a fork!
01:46 wizzyrea that's nicer.
01:46 bag oh yeah wizzyrea did you see my note last night?
01:46 dcook I'm on the latest master too. And if it's working for you but not for me, it must be the browser, but Chrome auto updates, no?
01:46 wizzyrea your note...
01:46 dcook Cleared out all my user css and js..
01:46 bag I was saying - thanks for accusing us of volunteering too much - I'll always take that :P
01:46 wizzyrea to....
01:47 * wizzyrea was not accusing anyone of anything
01:47 bag you are right - wrong word
01:47 you were "noting"
01:48 wizzyrea Some people don't know the layout of the community as well as you or I do.
01:48 bag I don't know nothing
01:49 or something that willis would say there
01:49 wizzyrea and you will note that I placed no judgements on my statement.
01:49 bag of course you didn't wizzyrea :)
01:49 no worries there
01:50 wizzyrea all right - as long as we're clear about that ;)
01:50 bag we are on the same page
01:50 crystal clear :)
01:51 wizzyrea You all are as free as anyone else to submit a proposal - I do not wish or seek to impede anyone from volunteering - heaven knows we need volunteers
01:51 bag agreed
01:56 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1041: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1041/
01:56 * fridolyn.somers: Bug 9493: confirmations for user holds in opac are not translatable
01:56 * robin: Bug 9143 - changelog and build script updates
01:56 * julian.maurice: Bug 9034: Add sorting and filtering on items table (catalogue/detail.pl)
01:56 * julian.maurice: Bug 9034: Add CSS rule to reduce width of items table
01:56 * oleonard: Bug 9034 [Follow-up] Add sorting and filtering on items table (catalogue/detail.pl)
01:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9493 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , confirmations for user holds in opac are not translatable
01:56 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 9034: Filters are disabled by default
01:56 * liz: Bug 9499 - --itemscontent= option is undocumented in advanced-notice.pl cronjob + default date should be date_due, not issuedate
01:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9143 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Package related updates for master
01:56 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9034 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Add sorting and filtering on items table (catalogue/detail.pl)
01:56 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9499 trivial, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Master , --itemscontent= option is undocumented in advanced-notice.pl cronjob + default date should be date_due, not issuedate
01:57 rangi cool
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02:22 i00nsu hello all.  I install koha in a server machine. How do I access the main page?
02:23 wizzyrea how did you install it? with packages?
02:24 i00nsu using the debian repository .
02:26 wizzyrea cool so you can usually do something like instance-intra.localhost
02:26 where instance is the name you gave your instance
02:26 mine, for example, is devlibrary-intra
02:26 if you can only get from outside the server, and you don't have DNS
02:27 you can put a rule in your /etc/hosts
02:27 to point to it.
02:30 i00nsu is not intranet
02:32 and is already a website.. the point I ask is, the name.. like website.net/koha or koha.website.net
03:09 ok.. now I can access but it give and "error" telling me the koha is in maintaince and to contact admin..
03:09 why?
03:09 wizzyrea you need to get to the intranet instead of the opac.
03:09 i00nsu I see some post over net, some people tell I need to create tables..
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03:09 wizzyrea no, you need to run the web installer.
03:09 the web installer is on the other virtual host
03:10 -inra
03:10 intra
03:10 i00nsu I don't understand Sorry
03:11 mywebsite.com << this is where I access koha
03:12 what do you mean as "intra" ?
03:12 :(
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04:02 i00nsu does anyone know what the user and password by default to start installation ?
04:03 I don't find the koha-conf.xml
04:04 mtj /etc/koha/sites/nameofyourkoha/koha-conf.xml
04:05 i00nsu, afaik , there is no default password
04:06 i00nsu <3 lovely. many thanks
04:06 mtj … your user/password is what *you* chose it to be
04:12 i00nsu, no probs, it seems you are making some good progress over there... :)
04:13 i00nsu Yeah :) many thanks!!
04:18 * rangi wanders off
04:34 mtj … one for the busride rangi :p -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI1kq6CA_38
05:10 bag evening
05:10 wahanui well, evening is better for me - but not too late
05:17 bag thanks wahanui
05:17 quiet evening
05:20 dcook What part of the country are you based in, bag?
05:21 bag California, Santa Barbara
05:21 dcook Mmm, right
05:22 I should've remembered the time difference
05:22 bag how about you?
05:22 yeah thursday night here
05:22 dcook Sydney, Australia
05:22 Friday late afternoon
05:22 bag almost 5pm there?
05:22 dcook Yep
05:22 bag nice now it's beer time :P
05:22 dcook After lawn cutting time ;)
05:23 bag yeah cold night here
05:23 @wunder 93109
05:23 huginn bag: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 10.6°C (9:22 PM PST on February 07, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
05:23 dcook @wunder sydney, australia
05:23 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 30.0°C (4:00 PM EST on February 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
05:23 bag damn 30!
05:23 dcook Yeah, I was just outside and 30 sounds about right...
05:23 bag I'd melt :P
05:23 dcook No aircon in the office either O_O
05:23 Or at home for that matter
05:24 Aircon and heating are for the upper class or at least upper mid down under it seems.
05:24 bag heh
05:24 dcook Well, we do have aircon at the office
05:24 It's just broken :p
05:24 bag it's always around 70 during the day here (all year) but nights in the winter get cold - maybe down into the 40's
05:24 sorry that's F not C :P
05:25 dcook I know 70 is around 20, but what's 40?
05:25 bag maybe around 2 or so?
05:25 dcook I know -40 is -40 too. I'm originally from Saskatchewan and my father still uses fahrenheit
05:25 Ouch!
05:25 That is pretty chilly
05:25 bag but only like once or twice a year
05:25 it's the mildest place I've ever lived
05:26 dcook It sounds pretty comparable to Vancouver
05:26 Warmer I suppose
05:26 It was pretty nice all year round there though
05:26 bag yup really nice there but hot in the summer :)
05:27 dcook I suppose I did get a few burns there in the 2 years I was there
05:27 I love the Vancouver-Sydney trade off though. Last time I left Sydney, it was the end of winter, and I came back into the end of summer
05:27 Likewise, leaving mid-winter Vancouver brought me to mid-summer Sydney
05:27 bag yeah you can't complain about that trade off
05:28 dcook Mind you, I went from -30 in Saskatchewan to +43 in Sydney within 2 weeks of each other
05:28 bag you ski?
05:28 dcook Not well, haha
05:28 bag me either
05:28 but I loved whistler
05:28 dcook Mmmm, I could probably do whistler
05:28 Some of the other mountain ski resorts might be too intense for me though. I grew up skiing on little hills in SK
05:29 bag heh
05:29 dcook I took a trip up there with some beer loving friends a year or two ago though. It was fun :)
05:30 We always meant to go to Portland though and never made it, so I'm a bit disappointed about missing out on the beer and food there
05:30 Portland isn't too too far from Reno though...
05:30 bag I love Portland - I think that city has more breweries than any city
05:31 yup that would be a good side trip - Reno - San Fran - Portland - fly home :)
05:32 dcook Sounds nice to me :)
05:32 I need to make sure that I'm still able to go to Reno, but it'd be nice to take some leave to see folks back on the west coast and see some new places before heading back to Aus
05:32 I'm still bummed that I missed Edinburgh last year
05:33 bag yeah me too
05:33 dcook I found out about the con the day it started...and when I mentioned it to my boss, he said that he would've sent me
05:33 Edinburgh is one of my favourite cities in the world...so choked
05:33 bag bummer
05:33 we had a baby girl right around that time
05:33 dcook Right! Good time to have a baby
05:34 (says the fellow cancer)
05:34 bag :)
05:34 dcook I mentioned the "future Koha developer" onesie earlier and got shut down by my partner ;)
05:35 bag heh
05:35 dcook Oh well. I'll teach them all I know about computers and maybe they'll find their way there anyway
05:35 bag try a linux onesie first next time :P
05:35 dcook Hehe
05:36 Well, she's a childcare specialist and isn't overly fond of computers (unless they fit in your hand)
05:38 bag night dcook I'm heading to bed
05:38 be well
05:38 dcook Thanks, bag. Have a good night. Nice chatting to you
05:38 bag :)
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06:09 dcook Does anyone know how I might check the $ENV variable from the commandline or if that's even possible?
06:09 Me thinks that $ENV{DEBUG} mistakenly has a value in it, but I'm not sure why...
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06:19 dcook Mmm...it's in the koha-httpd.conf
06:20 "It's in the frakkin ship!"
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06:33 dcook Hmm, does the debug system preference actually work?
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07:03 * magnuse wishes #koha a good pizza day!
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07:38 dcook Hmmm, so the software errors that Koha throws when you don't load a module or make a typo or whatever...they're output by CGI::Carp.pm
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07:39 cait hm not sure
07:39 reiveune hello
07:39 dcook I'm thinking so
07:39 cait ... me has to go outside
07:39 into the snow
07:39 @wunder Konstanz
07:39 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -1.3°C (8:35 AM CET on February 08, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
07:39 dcook I finally grepped the hell out of my server and found the same info from my browser error messages in Carp.pm :D
07:39 ufta
07:39 @wunder Sydney, Australia
07:39 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, New South Wales is 28.0°C (6:00 PM EST on February 08, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1015 hPa (Falling).
07:39 dcook Yep, still hot as sin...
07:40 Have fun outside, cait :)
07:40 I'm a bit jealous of your -1.3 atm actually..
07:40 hey reiveune
07:40 wahanui it has been said that reiveune is working for biblibre
07:40 cait I like the temp, but not the snow!
07:40 dcook Mmm, I understand
07:40 Vancouver had nice low temperatures but next to no snow :D
07:44 cait ok, have to face the weather... will be back... I think :)
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07:45 dcook Right, so Carp.pm handles the "Perl software errors". $ENV{DEBUG} (as set by SetEnv Debug 1} prints a lot of debugging information to the syslogs...(as well as the memberentry.tt template unfortunately).
07:45 I'm no t sure that the Debug Level sys pref does much..
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08:10 dcook Hmm or maybe just for fatal errors, but I wonder what causes fatal errors...
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08:21 francharb hello
08:23 dcook salut francharb
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08:24 dcook wb kf
08:24 francharb salut dcook
08:24 kf thx dcook
08:24 francharb 0/ kf
08:24 kf hi francharb :)
08:25 magnuse @wunder marseille
08:25 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 3.0°C (9:00 AM CET on February 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady).
08:25 magnuse @wunder boo
08:25 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -5.0°C (8:50 AM CET on February 08, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
08:26 dcook A tad bit chilly, eh?
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08:29 dcook salut paul_p
08:29 paul_p hello dcook & #koha
08:30 bag++ (for the 3 bywaterians coming to the hackfest in Marseille !!!)
08:30 kf who is number 3?
08:30 and good morning paul_p :)
08:30 paul_p kf kyle
08:31 kf ah, could have guessed
08:31 dcook !
08:31 So cool
08:31 magnuse yay
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08:31 magnuse very cool
08:32 dcook I wish that I could come to the hackfest in Marseille. Some day perhaps when I'm a bit closer to that side of the world.
08:32 * dcook has only spent a grand total of 8 days in France :(. That's of an originally planned 48 sadly enough.
08:32 kf oh
08:32 what happened?
08:33 dcook The original plan was to volunteer at some organic farms as a WWOOFer to practice speaking French and just get a chance to live in France, but most people didn't respond back and the folks that did already had found help.
08:34 kf ah :(
08:34 where did you end up then instead?
08:34 * rangi tries to test bug 9213
08:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9213 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Implement analytics for NORMARC XSLT
08:35 kf rangi++
08:35 magnuse rangi+++++++
08:36 dcook Well, I ended up doing a tour of Europe instead of just staying in France
08:37 Go rangi!
08:37 I think I'm about to call it a night
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08:39 dcook Well, almost
08:40 I shoudl've gone home 2.5 hours ago, but I was annoyed by something, so naturally I ended up investigating...and now I feel like I definitely know a lot more about how Koha and Apache debugging and error settings work
08:40 kf dcook: sounds like that could have been nice too :)
08:40 dcook Oh absolutely!
08:40 Alas, I barely got any time in Germany :(
08:40 Admittedly, it was pretty cold at that point
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08:40 dcook Only one day in Berlin and then just passing through Koln and Frankfurt
08:41 I'd love to head back though.
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08:42 magnuse dcook: next time kohacon is in europe? :-)
08:42 dcook I sure hope so, magnuse ;)
08:43 kf :)
08:43 dcook Norway is another place I'd love to go
08:43 magnuse dcook: it's highly recommended ;-)
08:43 dcook Once upon a time, I almost went to Iceland for a semester to study Old Norse literature, but...I ended up transferring schools :/
08:43 Can't recall any Icelandic either, unfortunately
08:44 magnuse heit sukkulud med rjoma
08:44 or something
08:44 wahanui something is probably wrong....
08:44 magnuse it's supposed to mean "got chocolate with whipped cream"
08:44 s/got/hot/
08:44 wahanui: yeah, something is always wrong...
08:44 wahanui OK, magnuse.
08:45 magnuse something?
08:45 wahanui well, something is wrong....
08:45 dcook That would be good in -12
08:45 drojf bjórr
08:45 oh that is old norse actually :D
08:45 dcook Well, same thing, no?
08:45 drojf bjór
08:45 :D
08:46 good morning #koha
08:46 dcook morning, drojf :)
08:46 I like this beer idea...
08:46 And I really really should go :p
08:46 So night everyone! Stay warm on the other side of the world!
08:50 kf rangi: exciting? :)
08:50 rangi umm
08:52 kf hey, it's a patch from norway!
08:52 * drojf strikes that bug from his list :)
08:52 kf from a person you personally know in norway
08:52 and it's for a little ILS you started ages ago... that is exciting :)
08:53 rangi: but you should order a pizza to go with it - it's friday :)
08:54 oh and oleonard++ # testing bug 9403
08:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9403 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Material type icons not showing for XSLT default view in intranet
08:55 rangi @quote search forced
08:55 huginn rangi: 1 found: #34: "<chris> oh except that time .. when katipo..."
08:56 rangi @quote get 34
08:56 huginn rangi: Quote #34: "<chris> oh except that time .. when katipo decided to write an ils just for fun, then forced HLT to use it" (added by gmcharlt at 06:23 PM, September 16, 2009)
08:57 magnuse lol
09:06 rangi: your life just got filled with norwegian gratefullness :-)
09:06 rangi hehe
09:06 it seems to be working
09:06 magnuse yay
09:07 rangi just a few more tests and ill sign off
09:07 magnuse i'll send you a "brunost" of your own choice if you do sign off on it
09:07 hm, customs might not like that...
09:07 rangi the nice thing is it doesnt touch any of the non normarc stuff
09:08 magnuse nz customs, that is
09:08 rangi heh nope
09:08 magnuse yeah, that patch should be pretty safe for other marc dialects
09:09 rangi thats what im testing now
09:10 (have to flush and install marc21 again)
09:10 magnuse rangi: i can bring one to reno, if i make the trip. there's plenty to choose from: http://www.tine.no/produkter/m[…]unostene-fra-tine
09:10 rangi drojf started testing too, he should get one :)
09:10 magnuse ah, of course!
09:11 drojf that is very kind of you but i already can't stand regular cheese :D
09:14 kf lactose and gluten?
09:16 rangi done
09:16 drojf smell
09:16 ;)
09:17 kf you are complicated
09:17 drojf actually, everything about it. don't know. has been like that forever
09:17 i know :)
09:19 kf cheese on pizza?
09:20 magnuse rangi++
09:35 cheese_on_pizza++
09:46 kf lpja
09:46 lol
09:46 koha++
09:46 fingers wrong on keyboard
10:05 magnuse heh
10:17 drojf cheeseless_pizza++ ;)
10:21 kf drojf: you are weird
10:22 drojf i'm surprised it took you so long to figure that out :D
10:23 kf i am not sure I can trust someone who doesn't like pizza
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10:23 drojf ?
10:23 i like pizza
10:23 kf without cheese? isn't a pizza :)
10:24 drojf oh yes it is
10:24 pizza fascist
10:24 kf hmpf
10:25 drojf you're a victim of the cheese industry's propaganda :P
10:26 kf lol
10:26 magnuse proof of concept for the opac part of semantikoha: http://metaquery.libriotech.no/ :-)
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11:17 kf mornign tcohen
11:36 drojf i like that p2p-library question
11:36 kf oh where?
11:36 drojf dev
11:36 äh, dev list
11:37 kf ah cool
11:42 drojf i guess the answer is "not easy at all" though
11:43 kf hm too early for oleonard
11:47 drojf snow. again. meh.
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12:01 kf word--
12:01 ms_word--
12:05 ms_word-- ms_word--
12:05 * kf just lost all the documentation she wrote this morning grr.
12:06 drojf word_processors--
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12:18 i00nsu morning. is possible to install another "website" in the same server that is using koha? \\ mywebsite.com/ is using koha and it works, but if I go to mywebsite.com/new/index.php says koha is in maintance
12:23 drojf i00nsu: i don't think that is possible that way. you would probably have to set up another apache site on the same server
12:24 i00nsu wow .. what do you mean "another apache site" ?
12:24 create a new vhost?
12:25 drojf yes
12:25 anyway i am just guessing, maybe somebody else has experience with this
12:27 but i'd do something like http://mydomain.tld/ for the main site, opac.mydomain.tld for the opac and staff.mydomain.tld for the staff client
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12:34 i00nsu so you mean, create another vhost in the same vhost file at /etc/koha/sites-available
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12:35 drojf i think you would create a new file. but i rarely do apache config things besides disabling the default site and starting koha
13:00 jcamins_away @later tell dcook I use Chrome and FF on Mac.
13:00 huginn jcamins_away: The operation succeeded.
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13:14 i00nsu creating new vhost didn't solve. I will try to ask latter. Till night
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13:24 oleonard Hi #koha
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14:10 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9329' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]45649746d5bdba002> / Bug 9329: Wrong message for already expired cards <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e23af42b440be11f5> / Merge branch 'bug_9320' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ff;h=606279b5f19d
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14:17 jcamins_away paul_p: as an example of something else that doesn't work under Plack, editing subscriptions does not work.
14:18 Or rather, it works, it just doesn't matter whether you choose to enable manual history or not.
14:18 jenkins_koha Starting build #1042 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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14:27 kf hi oleonard :)
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14:37 jcamins_away oleonard: incidentally, in case you were worrying about finding a javascript editor that supports arbitrary tags, it turns out you can do it with TinyMCE.
14:37 oleonard I was up all night!
14:43 jcamins_away Have I commented recently on the extreme user unfriendliness of the CSV export?
14:44 oleonard No, lay it on us jcamins_away
14:45 jcamins_away I am amazed every time I try to edit a CSV profile how unintuitive it is.
14:46 You're exporting a CSV...
14:46 so you use vertical pipes to separate entries?
14:46 Huh?
14:47 You have to fill in either ExportRemoveFields or ExportWithCsvProfile to export as ISO2709?
14:47 Huh?
14:47 If you want to create a CSV profile you have to look under tools?
14:47 Huh?
14:47 None of these things make the least bit of sense to me.
14:49 kf I guess the qeustion is how to make it better ;)
14:50 jcamins_away: I wnted to ask you to take a look at the dom patch from martin
14:50 drojf i guess the question is who to make it better :P
14:50 kf from the changed comments I think he reran the automatic creation and I am not sure now if that is good or bad
14:50 and the any index seems a bit weird to me,?
14:50 jcamins_away kf: separate the entries with commas, make the ISO2709 export show up regardless (or add another syspref), and move the CSV profile editor to Administration.
14:51 If he reran the creation script, that's bad.
14:51 kf jcamins_away: it's only a guess
14:51 but since you know how it works... or at least you know most of it
14:51 ....
14:51 you might be able to give him some quick hints while I would have to learn all abourt how it works first :)
14:52 jcamins_away Yeah...
14:52 That's going to have to wait.
14:52 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9283' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7ed6d4aa9a3a7f50a> / Bug 9283 - Change structure of export checkouts form <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ff5d6582403e6c51a> / Merge branch 'bug_9417' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]tdiff;h=f66162592
15:22 oleonard Congratulations nengard
15:22 nengard thanks :)
15:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1042: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1042/
15:25 * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9451: Quiet warnings and Plackify borrower_stats.pl
15:25 * sophie.meynieux: Bug 9320 Pending reserves report should not show waiting items
15:25 * adrien.saurat: Bug 9329: Wrong message for already expired cards
15:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9451 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , borrower_stats.pl gives off warnings and is not Plack-compatible
15:25 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9320 normal, P5 - low, ---, sophie.meynieux, Pushed to Master , Pending reserves is showing reserves already waiting
15:25 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9329 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Wrong message for already expired cards
15:26 jenkins_koha Starting build #1043 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
15:26 jcamins_away \o/
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15:34 oleonard How's it going ryansipes?
15:34 ryansipes oleonard: It's going pretty alright, how are you?
15:35 oleonard I'm good. Seeing patches get pushed is always a good way to start the day.
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15:47 oleonard Dear Recorded Books: What the hell is with your web site?! (warning, auto-playing audio) http://www.recordedbooks.com/i[…]n=rb.home&library
15:48 I was directed to look for their link to marketing materials, but couldn't find it because it was covered up by an old guy talking at me
15:51 nengard jcamins bug 8733
15:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8733 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Adding critic reviews to book pages
15:51 nengard I was going to document this, I have the preferences, but don't see the content when i turn them on
15:51 (i did when i tested it)
15:52 is there maybe an updatedatabase problem there?
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16:01 jcamins nengard: it seems to be working for me.
16:01 nengard might be interaction with other prefs?
16:01 jcamins Do you have any script errors?
16:01 nengard hmmm
16:01 let me look
16:02 no errors popping up - where/how would i check the logs?
16:02 I was looking at harry potter
16:02 jcamins I don't think they have Harry Potter.
16:03 nengard hmm okay
16:03 I'm going to search their site first
16:04 I'm searching Jodi Picoult in my catalog and theirs and it's in both, but I see nothing in my opac
16:04 hmmm
16:04 I did when I tested it ? like i said
16:04 jcamins Hm.
16:05 It might be that they do not have that particular ISBN in their database, though they were supposed to have fixed it so that all related ISBNs were listed as well.
16:05 nengard hang on
16:05 i might have turned it off :) hehe
16:05 jcamins Hehe.
16:05 That would get in the way of it showing up.
16:06 nengard okay it's on and not showing
16:06 I was toggling back and forth to try things out
16:06 my demo is a VM so I can't share a link, but can share a video after my webinar
16:06 not that it will help
16:06 I do have 2 tabs for holdings ?. if that matters
16:06 jcamins It works for me with the two tabs.
16:07 reiveune1 bye
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16:07 jcamins If you could try downloading the record for Bossypants (ISBN 0316056863) from LC, we can check if it's a problem with the book or a problem with the script.
16:08 Bah. I missed the bug number in the update message.
16:09 nengard hmmm
16:09 it is showing on bossypatns
16:09 pants
16:09 I'll use that for the manual, but you should know that it's not working on all books
16:09 http://idreambooks.com/newbooks/search?q=picoult
16:09 I have all of them in my catalog
16:09 and none of them show the ratings
16:10 jcamins Yeah, there are definitely a lot of ISBNs missing from their database.
16:10 Also some serious encoding errors.
16:10 On their site, not when the data is displayed in Koha.
16:10 nengard I'll note that in the manual
16:19 oleonard I love "git stash pop." So handy.
16:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #279 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 16 days ago)
16:19 Project Koha_Docs build #279: STILL FAILING in 1 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/279/
16:19 * nengard: add IDreamLibraries section
16:19 * nengard: add tip about idreambooks having content limits
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16:32 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1043: SUCCESS in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1043/
16:32 * adrien.saurat: Bug 9332: Display call number in "Holds waiting" notice
16:32 * kyle: Bug 9417 - Allow number of results per page to be selectable for guided reports
16:32 * oleonard: Bug 9283 - Change structure of export checkouts form
16:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9332 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Display call number in "Holds waiting" notice (checkout page)
16:32 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Allow number of results per page to be selectable for guided reports
16:32 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9283 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Change structure of export checkouts form
16:34 * oleonard starts a patch fight on bug 9571
16:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9571 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Fix width for textareas in Edit Item screen
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16:40 oleonard It's way too early in the day for me to be trapped in the no-git cloud. Must be the bad weather.
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16:52 mustard Thesis: Koha should provide for space-limited online storage so that patrons can maintain notes about items in the library collection or other things. Notes relating to items should be linkable to those items.
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17:06 * cait waves from the train
17:06 * jcamins waves back.
17:07 drojf oh good, then it is not sunday already?!
17:08 jcamins @wunder konstanz
17:08 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -1.8°C (6:05 PM CET on February 08, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
17:08 jcamins Warmer here.
17:11 oleonard rambutan: Re: your thesis, see bug 813
17:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=813 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , OPAC virtual shelves should store comments
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17:15 drojf successfully transferred 200k files. let's do another 500k. my hoster will love me
17:16 khall is patron searching messed up in master?
17:16 oleonard Which patron search khall ?
17:17 khall when I try using the letters on members-home.pl I get one results for 'a' and none for anything else
17:17 even though my db has the default sample patrons
17:18 oleonard Works for me khall
17:18 khall odd
17:19 * khall had IndependantBranches enabled! : )=
17:22 cait hm #koha works, but reading bug mails does not ...
17:22 meh.
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17:33 oleonard Thanks for the signoffs khall
17:33 khall++
17:33 khall np, great work!
17:36 cait1 :)
17:43 libsysguy I think paul_p knows when I am looking for him
17:43 he always bounces out
17:44 oleonard It's late for paul_p anyway libsysguy
17:44 libsysguy no excuses :p
17:53 jcamins gmcharlt: around?
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18:01 jcamins Okay, question for... anyone who might have an opinion.
18:03 If I want to load a file of MARC records into a list of MARC::Record objects and possibly sort it, do we think I should use MARC::File::* or MARC::Batch?
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18:07 jcamins bug 4266
18:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4266 major, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Signed Off , encumbrance and expenditure not used in code
18:11 bag jcamins MARC::Field I'd guess first?
18:12 jcamins bag: The vote on #evergreen was for MARC::Batch, so I'll use that.
18:12 bag whoops I read that wrong
18:12 I read it as FIELD not FILE :P
18:12 jcamins Yeah, I'm loading some files.
18:12 bag right Batch sounds good to me too
18:13 * cait waves
18:13 cait have a nice weekend everyone!
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18:35 jcamins I have a Perl question for the wisdom of #koha: I want to embed a fairly large string in a Perl script. I believe there is some way to do that which results in the string being at the end of the file.
18:35 Does anyone know what that way is?
18:39 slef like bash << EOF and then EOF at the end IIRC
18:39 you could also look into the qq quoting
18:39 jcamins slef: that requires the string to be in the middle of the file.
18:39 slef ah but << EOF means the string is in the middle
18:39 hmmm
18:39 should befiled near those two on the perl man pages though ;)
18:40 sorry gtg out... I'll ping back in a few hours (maybe 5)
18:40 jcamins So long.
18:40 slef please @later me if you find it
18:40 else I'll try to remember tolook
18:40 damn sure I've used it before
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18:54 libsysguy anybody around that I can bribe to take a look at the nginx installer?
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19:04 Dyrcona @later tell slef TIMTOWTDI: You could use a heredoc for your string, i.e, <<EOF\n.......\nEOF\n, (I do this all the time), mutililine quoting with qq/....../, or a __DATA__ section. I typically use the last for example or default data when my program can read from a file.
19:04 huginn Dyrcona: The operation succeeded.
19:05 jcamins Dyrcona: ooh, how do you use an __DATA__ section?
19:05 I think that's what I want.
19:07 SelfLoader?
19:08 Dyrcona jcamins: At the bottom of your file, you put a line that contains __DATA__
19:08 jcamins: Below that you put your data.
19:08 jcamins This sounds about my level of difficulty. :D
19:09 Dyrcona jcamins: You can read the data in your program via the DATA filehandle: *DATA or <DATA>. If using strict, you might need <::DATA>.
19:11 for instance: while(<DATA>) { do something with $_ }
19:12 It's really handy for sample data to test your program.
19:14 jcamins On the other hand, it just caused my head to explode and didn't work, so I'll use a heredoc.
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19:16 Dyrcona jcamins: __DATA__ is good as a sample file, and not so much for strings.
19:16 I'll see if I have a decent example hanging around that I can paste.
19:17 jcamins Dyrcona: that would be great, because the data I am including would arguably be better put in a different file, but I'd prefer not to.
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19:18 jcamins First rule of debugging: if you're using a system that doesn't have strict variable name checking, CHECK YOUR SPELLING!
19:23 Hm. It looks like maybe the __DATA__ file is only usable for <DATA> not as a filehandle.
19:24 Dyrcona jcamins: A simple example http://pastebin.com/g7KGHF3n
19:25 jcamins: It also works like this $fh = *DATA; if ($ARGV[0]) {open($fh, $ARGV[0])}; while ($line = <$fh>) {....}
19:25 jcamins Ohh.
19:25 I understand now.
19:25 Thanks.
19:25 Dyrcona yw
19:26 jcamins Very cool!
19:28 Now I just have to figure out to add a binary to a CPAN dist.
19:29 Oh, and write POD.
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19:58 Morthland Does the database record both the date AND time that a record is cataloged?
20:05 bag well there is the timestamp in mysql - so yes
20:07 Morthland Does the item search for the label creator use this? It seems like the items are listed by the exact time they are cataloged.
20:07 Just playing around in the .pl, I was hoping to add a "Catologed after this Date and Time" option
20:08 I program C, but I am a fish out of water here.
20:08 bag heh
20:08 well then I think you'd be more interested in looking at the acquistiondate in the item record
20:08 one sec…
20:09 here's the database - http://schema.koha-community.org/
20:09 oleonard khall still around?
20:09 khall yo
20:10 Morthland That's what I figured. Let me take a look at that.
20:10 rangi or the cataloguing action_log
20:10 oleonard khall: In your test plan you say "Optionally, you can also verify this works even if patron issuing history has been set to anonymize issues upon return." Do you mean at the patron level via the OPAC?
20:11 khall oleonard, can you give me the bug number?
20:11 oleonard Sorry :/
20:11 Bug 9011
20:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9011 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add the ability to store the last patron to return an item
20:13 khall oleonard, yes, that's exactly what I meant
20:13 oleonard Thanks
20:13 khall np!
20:24 gmcharlt @quote random
20:24 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #74: "<owen> chris: Not to mention the cute kid quote AI you've been developing. that takes a lot of cycles" (added by gmcharlt at 01:11 PM, May 18, 2010)
20:30 jcamins New version of Template::Plugin::MARC uploaded.
20:31 rangi @quote random
20:31 huginn rangi: Quote #208: "<mtompset> Tonight... I tango with git." (added by jcamins at 03:01 PM, June 28, 2012)
20:41 oleonard khall: Is an edit to koha-httpd.conf the only change required to test that aspect of Bug 7740?
20:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7740 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Highlight items in own library in search results/detail page in OPAC
20:42 jcamins oleonard: and restart Apache after changing the configuration file.
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20:55 oleonard Doesn't work for me, but I don't know if it's me or the patch...
20:56 (the Apache config option only. The other aspect works fine)
20:58 * chris_n looks around for slef
21:00 chris_n @later tell slef do you know anything about these people: http://www.ovh.co.uk/ ?
21:00 huginn chris_n: The operation succeeded.
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21:05 sweil English Wikipedia says Koha is GPLv3+. Should this be GPLv2+? (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koha_%28software%29)
21:06 jcamins No, the license is GPLv3+.
21:06 Version 3.12 will have all the license statements changed.
21:06 sweil There is a new article in the German Wikipedia. Maybe some experts want to review and improve it. See http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K[…]othekssoftware%29.
21:06 jcamins @later tell cait You might want to take a look at http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K[…]othekssoftware%29
21:06 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
21:07 sweil jcamins: Then http://koha-community.org/about/ is misleading.
21:07 jcamins sweil: if it says GPLv2+, then it definitely needs updating.
21:07 @later tell wizzyrea Do you think you could please update the license listed on koha-community.org/about to reflect that Koha is GPLv3+?
21:07 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
21:08 * jcamins delegates. :)
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21:13 oleonard Have a good weekend everyone
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22:10 jcamins Two versions of Template::Plugin::MARC in one day!
22:11 Mostly because the first version I uploaded turned out to be broken.
22:13 Believe it or not, preparing a release of a module for CPAN is actually as confusing as preparing a release of Koha.
22:20 * magnuse trusts that jcamins handles both things well
22:21 magnuse ...and wishes #koha a nice weekend
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22:50 rambutan jcamins, doing OK out there?
22:51 jcamins rambutan: yeah, the snow/ice was pretty dramatic a bit earlier, but so far not too bad.
22:52 rambutan supposed to be a historical snow/ice storm...
22:52 jcamins Yeah, but I admit I'm having some doubts about it being all that.
22:53 In 1996 we had so much snow in New Jersey that my friend and I excavated an igloo.
22:53 And I discovered that I was incredibly claustrophobic.
22:53 It made the igloo very disappointing.
22:53 rambutan :)
22:55 well, as long as you have plenty of red wine, potato chips and cat food it's the weekend...you can wait out the storm
22:57 jcamins We do. :)
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23:27 rambutan http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-20[…]-satellite-photo/
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23:54 slef Hi. Finally figured out how to get back here:-)

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