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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:03 | jcamins | eythian: should I just give up on a subdirectory and try to put everything in /etc/koha? |
| 00:06 | eythian | jcamins: what is the error you're having? |
| 00:06 | as for solr, I'm not sure. | |
| 00:06 | jcamins | eythian: it doesn't give me any error. |
| 00:06 | The build completes fine, then when I try to install it, it fails with no error. | |
| 00:06 | eythian | how does it fail with no error? |
| 00:07 | jcamins | I end up with every file in /etc/koha having a name that ends with .dpkg-new |
| 00:07 | eythian | oh right |
| 00:07 | I'm surprised making a subdir would cause that. | |
| 00:08 | jcamins | Me too. |
| 00:08 | Okay, I think I might be on the path to a workaround. | |
| 00:09 | Don't bother with using dh_install for this file, and just install it with debian/rules. | |
| 00:09 | eythian | given we're already putting stuff in subdirs... |
| 00:09 | that would be an acceptable workaround | |
| 00:11 | jcamins | Trying now. |
| 00:13 | khall joined #koha | |
| 00:19 | jcamins | Okay... that didn't work. |
| 00:19 | Any idea what the install command would look like? | |
| 00:19 | eythian | perhaps you have something else funny going on? |
| 00:20 | Perhaps try doing a purge of the package, install the stock one, and upgrade to your one on top | |
| 00:20 | jcamins | Well, now I can't get the packages to build. |
| 00:21 | The install command I added to debian/rules fails to find the file. | |
| 00:21 | Wait... I figured it out. | |
| 00:22 | eythian | so, the build process puts things in /etc/koha/searchengine? |
| 00:22 | jcamins | Maybe. |
| 00:22 | Probably not. | |
| 00:22 | Yes. | |
| 00:22 | eythian | do you need to put anything in the .install or rules file at all |
| 00:22 | maybe it'll just work | |
| 00:22 | jcamins | That was my initial theory. |
| 00:22 | But it complained it didn't know what to do with the file. | |
| 00:22 | eythian | ah right |
| 00:23 | can you send me your patch, I might have a play with it. | |
| 00:23 | this _should_ be easy. | |
| 00:24 | jcamins | It's bug 9239, but you could also test it by creating a file etc/searchengine/queryparser.yaml |
| 00:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries |
| 00:24 | jcamins | At the moment, I have not made *any* changes to the package build. |
| 00:25 | I'm trying again with nothing so that I can get a baseline for comparison. | |
| 00:25 | I have built the packages... | |
| 00:26 | I don't know, forty times today? | |
| 00:26 | At this point I'm not even sure I remember what they did before. | |
| 00:26 | I'm hoping maybe the problem was something silly like the reason it failed the first time was that I had a stale file. | |
| 00:27 | eythian | a dpkg-new file should appear if a) there is a diff between the conffile and the one that was deployed, b) the conffile has change, and c) you tell dpkg to not replace it with the new version. |
| 00:27 | at least I think that's the case. | |
| 00:27 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 00:27 | The problem is that there were no conf files at all when it decided to not install. | |
| 00:27 | eythian | that's weird |
| 00:28 | jcamins | http://paste.koha-community.org/386 <-- what I get when I don't make any changes. |
| 00:30 | eythian | OK, that's not too unexpected |
| 00:30 | jcamins | Nope. |
| 00:30 | That's what I expected. | |
| 00:30 | I am now going to systematically repeat all my experiments. | |
| 00:31 | Or possibly just move the configuration file to etc/ if that fixes it. | |
| 00:33 | eythian | I'm having a few goes to see what I can make happen. |
| 00:34 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 00:34 | eythian | unrelated, but I've added libtext-undiacritic-perl to the repo at BibLibre's request. |
| 00:35 | jcamins | Thanks! |
| 00:35 | eythian | jcamins: what branch are you building against? |
| 00:35 | jcamins | bug 9239 |
| 00:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries |
| 00:36 | jcamins | On top of master. |
| 00:36 | eythian | OK |
| 00:36 | I see the dependencies need an update for that., | |
| 00:36 | jcamins | But as I said, the only file that matters from 9239 is etc/searchengine/queryparser.yaml |
| 00:36 | eythian | yeah |
| 00:36 | jcamins | So `echo "Testing" > etc/searchengine/queryparser.yaml` will bring you to the same state. |
| 00:37 | eythian | yeah, I'm just having to tweak things to make master build at all |
| 00:37 | jcamins | Wait... did I get it working?!? |
| 00:37 | Probably not. | |
| 00:37 | But at least the build completed. | |
| 00:37 | eythian | that's a start I suppose :) |
| 00:42 | DBI connect('dbname=koha;host=localhost;port=3306','kohaadmin',...) failed: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) at /tmp/buildd/koha-3.9/blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR/C4/Context.pm line 802 | |
| 00:42 | # Failed test 'use C4::Breeding;' | |
| 00:42 | grr | |
| 00:43 | * jcamins | scratches his head. |
| 00:43 | jcamins | How come that passes under pbuilder for me? |
| 00:43 | I mean... it shouldn't, right? | |
| 00:43 | eythian | no, it shouldn't |
| 00:44 | jcamins | So... something else weird about my installation. |
| 00:44 | eythian | My copy of master may be a bit old though |
| 00:44 | jcamins | You could probably use 3.10 instead... it's just a file. |
| 00:45 | eythian | yeah |
| 00:50 | jcamins | Got it! |
| 00:50 | There needed to be no trailing slash and no destination for my added line. | |
| 00:51 | And possibly there was also a problem with the system I was trying to install on earlier. I spun up a new one. | |
| 00:51 | eythian | ah. I noted that you don't need the destination, but didn't see the trailing slash |
| 00:52 | jcamins | Yeah, I think I may have accidentally left a trailing slash when I removed the destination, per your instructions. |
| 00:53 | eythian | told you it should be easy ;) |
| 00:54 | jcamins | I have to say, a little bit more in the way of error messages would not go amiss. |
| 00:55 | eythian | yeah. It's a bizarre thing for it to do though, I wonder what it thought was going on. |
| 00:55 | * jcamins | would be afraid to speculate. |
| 01:03 | khall joined #koha | |
| 01:04 | mtompset joined #koha | |
| 01:04 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 01:05 | jcamins | Greetings. |
| 01:05 | mtompset | Long time no chat, jcamins. :) |
| 01:06 | jcamins | There is a _film_ musical of the Producers. I did not know that. |
| 01:06 | Still in Canada I see. :) | |
| 01:07 | mtompset | Yes, and still experiencing a funding shortfall. |
| 01:07 | However, a plan to resolve that is under way. | |
| 01:08 | jcamins | Plans are useful. |
| 01:09 | mtompset | As long as they work. |
| 01:09 | jcamins | Right. |
| 01:09 | mtompset | Already had one plan fail. |
| 01:09 | We've got two on the table now. | |
| 01:12 | agenda? | |
| 01:12 | wahanui | agenda is, like, a wiki |
| 01:12 | jcamins | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…],_7_February_2013 |
| 01:13 | mtompset | Thanks, I went to the wiki and searched for meeting. It came up. |
| 01:16 | I guess this meeting is bad for our European friends? | |
| 01:17 | jcamins | Very. |
| 01:17 | mtompset | drojf++ |
| 01:17 | ++drojf # can't remember syntax. :) | |
| 01:18 | jcamins | YOu had it right the first time. :) |
| 01:26 | JDatTeTakere joined #koha | |
| 01:32 | khall joined #koha | |
| 01:34 | khall joined #koha | |
| 01:36 | druthb joined #koha | |
| 01:40 | nancyk joined #koha | |
| 01:41 | bag | be about 5 minutes late |
| 01:42 | mtompset | Noted, bag. |
| 01:43 | libsysguy_dinner | /nick libsysguy |
| 01:43 | oops | |
| 01:43 | * druthb | mocks libsysguy derisively, then hugs him |
| 01:44 | libsysguy | " |
| 01:44 | :'( | |
| 01:44 | * libsysguy | runs away in tears |
| 01:44 | davidnind joined #koha | |
| 01:44 | mtompset | druthb: nice to see you again! How are you? |
| 01:44 | libsysguy: Have a good dinner/supper/tea/whatever you want to call it? | |
| 01:44 | druthb | Doing okay. It's been a brisk couple of weeks for me. |
| 01:45 | libsysguy | mtompset yes Anna cooked a butternut squash risotto |
| 01:45 | mtompset | Not really into squash, myself, but that still sounds delicious. :) |
| 01:45 | khall | Sounds fancy |
| 01:46 | libsysguy | its pureed |
| 01:46 | mtompset | Ooooo.... pureed. ;) |
| 01:46 | libsysguy | and then parmesan crusted tilapia |
| 01:46 | druthb | mmmmm |
| 01:46 | mtompset | Tilapia is delicious. |
| 01:46 | khall | That sounds good |
| 01:46 | * gmcharlt | is suddenly hungry |
| 01:46 | khall | Heh |
| 01:46 | mtompset | Though, I prefered filet, because I really hate bones. :) |
| 01:46 | libsysguy | yeah Anna is an *Awesome* cook |
| 01:47 | davidnind joined #koha | |
| 01:47 | libsysguy | ah yes I hate the bones too |
| 01:47 | I always miss one | |
| 01:47 | stinkin salmon steaks | |
| 01:48 | * wizzyrea | has never had a bone in a tilapia |
| 01:48 | khall | First world problems ;-) |
| 01:48 | mtompset | Their bones are thinner/smaller. |
| 01:48 | Yes, first world problems, khall. :) | |
| 01:49 | I agree with you on the salmon steaks, libsysguy. | |
| 01:50 | libsysguy | I guess I've always had tilapia filets |
| 01:51 | * khall | likes to fish. The only sport where he can read at the same time |
| 01:52 | jcamins | Hehe. |
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| 01:58 | libsysguy | meeting time! |
| 01:58 | wahanui | i guess meeting time is always going to favour one section of the globe |
| 01:58 | libsysguy | in 2 |
| 01:59 | bag | ah actually made it |
| 01:59 | gmcharlt: I had some grilled venison backstrap :D yummy! | |
| 02:00 | libsysguy | I hope you wrapped it in bacon |
| 02:00 | that is the only way to eat backstrap | |
| 02:00 | * gmcharlt | is absolutely starving now :) |
| 02:00 | JDatTeTakere | The vegetarian closes her eyes |
| 02:00 | mtompset | libsysguy++ # yes to the bacon! :) |
| 02:01 | bag | Aloo (my dog) actually stole two pieces off of my wifes plate when we were in the other room fixing the salad :P lucky doggie |
| 02:01 | libsysguy | #lesson never leave backstrap for salad |
| 02:02 | wizzyrea | right so meeting time? |
| 02:02 | bag | the salad was on par :P |
| 02:02 | mtompset | meeting time 2 minutes ago? |
| 02:03 | cjh | yeah, apparently we all missed it. |
| 02:03 | wizzyrea | yes, are we going to have a meeting? |
| 02:03 | cjh | oh well, always next time. |
| 02:03 | kathryn | present! |
| 02:03 | khall | Yeah, meeting time |
| 02:03 | mtompset | Yes. Let's start the meeting. |
| 02:03 | bag | wizzyrea: you wanna chair it? |
| 02:03 | or is there someone who should be doing that? | |
| 02:03 | * bag | votes not me |
| 02:03 | * libsysguy | thought it was cait |
| 02:04 | bag | ah cait :) |
| 02:04 | * libsysguy | could be wrong |
| 02:04 | wizzyrea | gmcharlt - would you mind starting meetbot? |
| 02:04 | eythian | meatbot |
| 02:04 | gmcharlt | #startmeeting |
| 02:04 | huginn | gmcharlt: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' |
| 02:04 | wahanui | if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
| 02:04 | i already had it that way, huginn. | |
| 02:04 | libsysguy | heh |
| 02:05 | gmcharlt | #startmeeting General Meeting, 2012-02-06 |
| 02:05 | huginn | Meeting started Thu Feb 7 02:05:11 2013 UTC. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 02:05 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 02:05 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General Meeting, 2012-02-06) | |
| 02:05 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'general_meeting__2012_02_06' |
| 02:05 | wizzyrea | #info Liz Rea, CatalystIT |
| 02:05 | present yourselves. | |
| 02:05 | gmcharlt | #info Galen Charlton, Equinox |
| 02:05 | JDatTeTakere | #info Joanne Dillon (JD), Te Takere |
| 02:05 | druthb | #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater, Translation Manager 3.12 |
| 02:05 | davidnind | #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand (currently at DrupalCon Sydney) |
| 02:05 | wizzyrea | (please :) |
| 02:05 | jwagner | #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS |
| 02:05 | libsysguy | #info Elliott Davis, Bywater, QAA |
| 02:05 | kathryn | #info Kathryn Tyree, Catalyst IT |
| 02:05 | mtompset | #info Mark Tompsett, Canada |
| 02:05 | cjh | #info Chris Hall, Catalyst IT |
| 02:05 | eythian | #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT |
| 02:06 | bag | #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater |
| 02:06 | jcamins | #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, RM 3.12 |
| 02:06 | wizzyrea | agenda? |
| 02:06 | wahanui | i guess agenda is a wiki |
| 02:06 | mtompset | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g,_9_January_2013 |
| 02:06 | wizzyrea | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…],_7_February_2013 |
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| 02:06 | mtompset | Oops... wrong one. :) |
| 02:06 | nancyk | #info nancyk Reno, Nevada |
| 02:06 | mtompset | (I was reading the back actions) |
| 02:06 | khall | #info Kyle M Hall, Bywater |
| 02:07 | trea | #info Thatcher Rea, ByWater Solutions |
| 02:07 | wizzyrea | Right, so hello everybody, welcome to the Koha community meeting, I'll be your taskmaster today |
| 02:07 | to start with, we have Announcements | |
| 02:07 | jcamins | I think gmcharlt has to chair the meeting. |
| 02:07 | wizzyrea | does anyone have any announcements that aren't already on the agenda? |
| 02:08 | mtompset | (because he started the meeting?) |
| 02:08 | jcamins | mtompset: right. |
| 02:08 | wizzyrea | right well. |
| 02:08 | gmcharlt | #chair wizzyrea |
| 02:08 | huginn | Current chairs: gmcharlt wizzyrea |
| 02:08 | mtompset | Solved. :) |
| 02:08 | wajasu joined #koha | |
| 02:09 | wizzyrea | right, so, see above :P |
| 02:09 | announcements? | |
| 02:09 | births, deaths, new migrations you want to brag about | |
| 02:09 | going once | |
| 02:09 | mtompset | I could be back on Koha development... |
| 02:09 | shortly. :) | |
| 02:09 | wizzyrea | cool :) |
| 02:10 | features you're developing that you want to suggest a sign off for | |
| 02:10 | nothing? | |
| 02:10 | wahanui | nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though |
| 02:10 | libsysguy | possibly the nginx installer? |
| 02:10 | wizzyrea | ok then on to the 3.8 update - rangi you about? |
| 02:10 | * libsysguy | pipes down |
| 02:11 | wizzyrea | nah, if you want to talk about that you go ahead |
| 02:11 | wajasu | if i migrate to koha-packages and i want ICU(or ICR whatever for the character choice), is that a manual adjustment? |
| 02:11 | libsysguy | nah, its out there, if anybody cares to look at it, go for it |
| 02:11 | jcamins | wajasu: yes, but right now we're in the middle of a meeting. |
| 02:11 | wajasu | my bad |
| 02:11 | mtompset | Nothing big... just if I get SAML 2.0 to work, we could get wider acceptance of Koha in the organization. :) |
| 02:11 | wizzyrea | I think 3.8 and 3.10 are going along ok - I don't know if there's all that much to say about it |
| 02:11 | so on to Update about 3.12 | |
| 02:12 | thd joined #koha | |
| 02:12 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 02:12 | I sent out a timeline a few days ago. | |
| 02:12 | wizzyrea | I saw that the schedule was posted - jcamins do you have a link for the irc log? |
| 02:12 | jcamins | I do not. |
| 02:12 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 02:12 | wizzyrea | ok, so how are you feeling about 3.12 |
| 02:12 | jcamins | (looking now) |
| 02:12 | wizzyrea | you talk, I'll look ;) |
| 02:12 | bag | and thank you jcamins - nice to have it some what more clear :) |
| 02:13 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 02:13 | Well, on the one hand, lots of great things are going into 3.12. | |
| 02:13 | bag | also give the french hackfest an idea of things to tackle |
| 02:13 | jcamins | And it's pretty stable for a release at this point in the cycle. |
| 02:13 | However, we have a *massive* backlog of patches. | |
| 02:14 | wizzyrea | #link http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ruary/038846.html |
| 02:14 | jcamins | As of right now, I would say that at least 50% of the outstanding enhancements have no chance of getting into 3.12. |
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| 02:14 | jcamins | We have... |
| 02:14 | 138 bugs awaiting sign off. | |
| 02:14 | mtompset | 50%?! :( |
| 02:14 | jcamins | 129 bugs awaiting QA. |
| 02:14 | mtompset: at least. | |
| 02:14 | Of those, the majority are enhancements. | |
| 02:15 | Bug fixes naturally need to receive priority, but I would _really_ like to see more of the good code we have go into 3.12. | |
| 02:15 | thd | Could you not delegate some of the task to allow the backlog to be managed? |
| 02:15 | dcook | Random question for rangi or anyone else who might know... |
| 02:15 | wizzyrea | sounds like it's time for a pep talk :) |
| 02:15 | dcook - meeting | |
| 02:15 | jcamins | thd: no, because it's not my backlog. |
| 02:15 | We need people to test. | |
| 02:15 | wizzyrea | and very good test plans |
| 02:16 | jcamins | If people don't test, the code doesn't go in. |
| 02:16 | For 3.14 it might be a good idea to have a larger QA team. | |
| 02:16 | But for 3.12 we don't have that. | |
| 02:16 | thd | That bottleneck should be in principle easier to solve than a RM backlog. |
| 02:16 | jcamins | thd: yes, and I look forward to seeing the situation improve. |
| 02:17 | However, as the feature freeze approaches, it will be too late. | |
| 02:17 | wizzyrea | so the moral is, if you submit a patch, test one too, sign off if you can, mark it if you can't |
| 02:17 | jcamins | There are only 168 hours a week, and I can't spend more than half of them on RM work. |
| 02:17 | As a reminder, new developments written during the hackfest will be held for 3.14. | |
| 02:18 | And that's the status. | |
| 02:18 | Any questions? | |
| 02:18 | #info Everyone needs to test. | |
| 02:18 | mtompset | How could we solve the 50% problem now? |
| 02:18 | jcamins | #info Test plans are NOT OPTIONAL. |
| 02:18 | wizzyrea | test patches |
| 02:18 | thd | What is the status of work on a boot system from which a new patch could be tested? |
| 02:18 | jcamins | thd: it exists, the problem is *not* technical. |
| 02:19 | mtompset: every developer should test at least one patch. | |
| 02:19 | cjh | jcamins: is the bottleneck more of a qa or sign-off thing? |
| 02:19 | dcook | #info David Cook, Sydney, Australia |
| 02:19 | wizzyrea | both, at the moment |
| 02:19 | libsysguy | based on the numbers I'd say half and half |
| 02:19 | gmcharlt | #info write your patches to be easy to test -- e.g., separate whitespace changes into their own patches, include POD, and repeat, include test cases |
| 02:19 | jcamins | cjh: the bottleneck is worse at QA, thanks to the reduced number of QAers, but only barely. |
| 02:19 | thd | Actually, bootable is too high a barrier of entry. |
| 02:19 | jcamins | thd: I look forward to seeing a an improved sandbox implementation. |
| 02:20 | wizzyrea | if you have a good test plans (possibly even instructions on how to get your data into a testable state) it really, really helps |
| 02:20 | jcamins | Anything else? |
| 02:20 | wahanui | Anything else is a guess |
| 02:21 | bag | HA |
| 02:21 | wizzyrea | Righto then, I realize I haven't been marking the agenda items - gmcharlt how does one do that (an example would be fine) |
| 02:22 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: do #topic FOO |
| 02:22 | wizzyrea | #topic Kohacon2013 |
| 02:22 | Topic for #koha is now Kohacon2013 (Meeting topic: General Meeting, 2012-02-06) | |
| 02:22 | wizzyrea | whee! |
| 02:22 | nancyk | #info Contract with the hotel signing this week. |
| 02:22 | jcamins | Hooray! |
| 02:22 | wizzyrea | right, so nancyk, |
| 02:22 | excellent | |
| 02:22 | nancyk | will be settting up registration and other info |
| 02:23 | wizzyrea | is there anything you need help on from the global community? |
| 02:23 | nancyk | #info a generous vendor has promised to sponsor |
| 02:23 | #info suggestions are always welcome | |
| 02:24 | that's it for now | |
| 02:24 | wizzyrea | very cool - sounds like you've got it in hand. Any questions for nancyk? |
| 02:24 | JDatTeTakere | I have a general question about Koha cons |
| 02:24 | wizzyrea | go for it |
| 02:24 | JDatTeTakere | What level of Koha user is the hackfest for? |
| 02:24 | bag | any upcoming timeline? like proposals due for talks? or anything like that |
| 02:25 | nancyk | not yet, but soon |
| 02:25 | * dcook | has the same question as JDatTeTakere |
| 02:25 | bag | JDatTeTakere: any level is more than welcome |
| 02:25 | wizzyrea | my experience says "every level" |
| 02:25 | dcook | To go off that, what's the purpose of the con? |
| 02:25 | nancyk | #info we have an iRC meeting on the 19th |
| 02:25 | JDatTeTakere | Awesome - thank you. Looking forward to my first KohaCon |
| 02:25 | wizzyrea | it's really helpful to have users around when designing things |
| 02:26 | dcook | While I already have some support for sending me over, I'd like to know what to expect to gain/contribute to it |
| 02:26 | libsysguy | indeed, not everyone needs to know how to modify the marc editor :) |
| 02:26 | * libsysguy | shudders |
| 02:26 | thd | JDatTeTakere: With free software every user at any level should be a developer. |
| 02:27 | wizzyrea | @quote add thd: With free software every user at any level should be a developer |
| 02:27 | huginn | wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 02:27 | JDatTeTakere | Thanks everyone...looking forward to meeting some of you in real life |
| 02:27 | nancyk | Iwant to know how to become a tester |
| 02:27 | wizzyrea | yep, bring it up at the hackfest :) |
| 02:27 | jcamins | nancyk: excellent! |
| 02:27 | bag | nancyk++ |
| 02:27 | wizzyrea | right so - |
| 02:27 | JDatTeTakere | Me too...re: tester |
| 02:27 | jcamins | nancyk: after the meeting I'll walk you through it. |
| 02:27 | JDatTeTakere: you too. | |
| 02:27 | wizzyrea | #topic Roles for 3.14 (code name PI) |
| 02:27 | Topic for #koha is now Roles for 3.14 (code name PI) (Meeting topic: General Meeting, 2012-02-06) | |
| 02:27 | jcamins | :) |
| 02:28 | libsysguy | we're calling it PI !! |
| 02:28 | excellent | |
| 02:28 | wizzyrea | no, that's just me. You can feel free to adopt that. |
| 02:28 | mtompset | Does that mean 15 minor releases? ;) |
| 02:28 | gmcharlt | or a big tiger release |
| 02:28 | wizzyrea | ha |
| 02:28 | bag | Well I've got a thought here and an idea - I'd like to bounce off all of you |
| 02:28 | wizzyrea | right, so roles |
| 02:28 | bag, please go ahead | |
| 02:29 | bag | libsysguy, khall and I - as a three headed monster for RM |
| 02:29 | jcamins | A three-person RM team? |
| 02:29 | bag | between the three of us we can split up time and duties - with RM and some QA etc... |
| 02:29 | wizzyrea | well I think you are perfectly within your rights to put out a proposal for that setup |
| 02:29 | bag | yes we work closely everyday as a group - so it wouldn't be anything new to us |
| 02:30 | so I'm asking crazy or not? | |
| 02:30 | jcamins | bag: crazy. |
| 02:30 | wizzyrea | I think I'd need to see a formalised proposal. |
| 02:30 | jcamins | The coordination will drive you to an early grave. |
| 02:30 | cjh | ^^ my concerns. |
| 02:30 | mtompset | Dito. |
| 02:30 | libsysguy | I don't think diving up the time would be a bad idea |
| 02:30 | but | |
| 02:30 | I have never been in the position before | |
| 02:31 | so I don't want to go grey at 24 :p | |
| 02:31 | * gmcharlt | would suggest increasing the numbers of the QA team first |
| 02:31 | wizzyrea | *nod* |
| 02:31 | khall | Could you explain the coordination issues |
| 02:31 | dcook | What does it take to be on the QA team? |
| 02:32 | cjh | the idea of an 'RM mentoring program' does sound interesting though |
| 02:32 | dcook | Not that I'm nominating myself at the moment, but I'm curious. |
| 02:32 | bag | dcook: volunteering |
| 02:32 | jcamins | dcook: a willingness to test thoroughly and offer useful feedback. |
| 02:32 | dcook | Willingness and ability are one thing |
| 02:32 | Are tests all automated or is a certain level of knowledge required? | |
| 02:32 | wizzyrea | perhaps a good understanding of the style rules that govern us |
| 02:32 | dcook | Or is this still where testing plans come in ? |
| 02:32 | jcamins | A certain level of knowledge, but you'll learn. :) |
| 02:32 | * libsysguy | would like to automate test |
| 02:32 | bag | libsysguy++ |
| 02:33 | khall | Testing plans are more for sign offs |
| 02:33 | libsysguy | jcamins has a step in the right direction with the requisite of unit tests for all backend code |
| 02:33 | thd | dcook: If the code could be self validating there would be no need for QA people. |
| 02:33 | cjh | as qa you will have to read some code, mostly checking for style conformance. The tests are automated, but if they fail it can help to know if it is you or the patch that is causing this. |
| 02:33 | JDatTeTakere | I'm happy to put my hand up for something...not sure whether it's testing or QA or something else. |
| 02:33 | jcamins | khall: as an example, look at bug 9239. |
| 02:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries |
| 02:34 | khall | A sign off says the feature works, a qa says the feature doesn't break anything |
| 02:34 | libsysguy | ah carp |
| 02:34 | jcamins | It actually failed QA and then was marked "passed" by someone else. |
| 02:34 | libsysguy: sorry to pick on you. | |
| 02:34 | khall | In general |
| 02:34 | libsysguy | its cool |
| 02:34 | I owned that one | |
| 02:34 | * druthb | picks on libsysguy all the time; he's used to it. |
| 02:34 | * libsysguy | knew that would come back to bite me |
| 02:34 | cjh | khall: qa also means that the feature is conforming to the project guidelines (style, testing, etc.) |
| 02:35 | mtompset | mistakes always do, libsysguy. Don't feel bad. :) |
| 02:35 | khall | Cjh, absolutely! |
| 02:36 | dcook | I'm encouraged by jcamins's faith ;) |
| 02:36 | wizzyrea | I feel the need to note that if the 3 person Rteam were installed, ByWater would have docmanager, translation manager, and RM all at the same time |
| 02:36 | jcamins | wizzyrea: that's a good point. |
| 02:37 | dcook | I'm still trying to get back into a stable work routine at the moment, but I would be willing to learn more about being on the QA team. If nothing else, I could take on a lot of the little signed off patches that would free up the bigger QA guns |
| 02:37 | bag | no worries I just didn't see anyone else offering up - and I know jcamins doesn't want to do another round |
| 02:37 | jcamins | bag: if necessary, I'll do it again. |
| 02:37 | dcook | Hmm, what's involved with docmanager? |
| 02:37 | libsysguy | nengard |
| 02:37 | wizzyrea | keeping the manual up to date |
| 02:37 | * dcook | has been thinking about doing some work on the documentation |
| 02:37 | libsysguy | oh waht not who |
| 02:37 | wizzyrea | keeping the online help up to date |
| 02:38 | bag | we also need RMaint's etc |
| 02:38 | dcook | I was thinking of actually shooting Nicole an email about collaborating on the manual if nothing else |
| 02:38 | jcamins | dcook++ |
| 02:38 | kathryn | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/I_want_to_help <-- of interest? |
| 02:38 | druthb | dcook++ |
| 02:38 | cjh | dcook++ awesome |
| 02:38 | wizzyrea | yes I am sure nicole would be happy to share |
| 02:38 | repsonsibility on that | |
| 02:38 | jcamins | Speaking as the current RM, I'd encourage everyone who wants to RM try RMainting first. |
| 02:38 | bag | I think rangi would perfer more time signing off on things than Rmaint-ing (but he speaks for himself better than I do ) |
| 02:38 | jcamins | It's good practice. |
| 02:38 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 02:39 | * gmcharlt | is considering a prposal for RM or an RMaint ... and I also have some ideas on potential ways to spread the load |
| 02:39 | wizzyrea | right so - What I think we are wanting |
| 02:39 | jcamins | Concrete proposals? |
| 02:40 | gmcharlt | jcamins: yes, but I'll need to cogitate a bit |
| 02:40 | wizzyrea | is if you are interested - do up a proposal for what you want to accomplish as RM - simply as an example http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]osal_for_QAM_3.12 and http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]posal_for_RM-3.12 |
| 02:41 | druthb | On the less-contentious side of things, I've been learning the TM role, and have had some lovely help from cait and tcohen in particular. If no one else wants it, I'll continue. |
| 02:41 | wizzyrea | #action interested parties should submit their proposals for release team duties to the wiki, and mail the link to the devel list |
| 02:41 | those who want to stay on I think simply need to state that | |
| 02:41 | and if you concretely want out of a role, please say and we will actively try to find someone to relieve you | |
| 02:41 | bag | probably vote next meeting? |
| 02:41 | jcamins | bag: two meetings, I think. |
| 02:41 | wizzyrea | that was the plan I believe |
| 02:42 | oh, what he said | |
| 02:42 | #info vote for release team is in two meetings time | |
| 02:43 | dcook | I thought that said two minutes... |
| 02:43 | * dcook | facepalm |
| 02:43 | wizzyrea | Right, any more discussion needed on Roles for Pi? |
| 02:43 | All righty then | |
| 02:43 | #topic actions from 9 Jan meeting | |
| 02:43 | Topic for #koha is now actions from 9 Jan meeting (Meeting topic: General Meeting, 2012-02-06) | |
| 02:43 | dcook | Quick question on roles |
| 02:44 | wizzyrea | shoot |
| 02:44 | dcook | Do they just go under the Participation category on the wiki? Seems like a Proposal category/sub-category might be an idea, so it's not filing by the page title |
| 02:45 | wizzyrea | sure, it's a wiki you can categorise however you want to :) |
| 02:45 | dcook | Hehe. Noted. |
| 02:45 | wizzyrea | so right, Actions from last meeting - looks like we have made some progress with bugzilla cleaning |
| 02:46 | Does anyone have any idea what magnus has been up to with the dev handbook? | |
| 02:47 | any progress to report? | |
| 02:47 | jcamins | I do not know. |
| 02:47 | wizzyrea | righty o then |
| 02:47 | that brings us to | |
| 02:47 | #topic set time and date for next meeting | |
| 02:47 | Topic for #koha is now set time and date for next meeting (Meeting topic: General Meeting, 2012-02-06) | |
| 02:47 | wizzyrea | this is the part I am very bad at. |
| 02:47 | thd | Wiki categories are extensible and you can extend them as needed. |
| 02:48 | jcamins | 18:00UTC. |
| 02:48 | wizzyrea | dcook - thd is quite adept with the wiki |
| 02:48 | jcamins | Second Wednesday. |
| 02:48 | wizzyrea | that's gonna be 13 Mar. 18:00 UTC |
| 02:48 | dcook | Hmm |
| 02:48 | jcamins | Sure. |
| 02:49 | wizzyrea | 2013, future dwellers. |
| 02:49 | jcamins | +1 |
| 02:49 | gmcharlt | +1 |
| 02:49 | jwagner | +1 |
| 02:49 | druthb | +1 |
| 02:49 | thd | +1 |
| 02:49 | dcook | I won't disagree but I'm not going to be up at 5am |
| 02:49 | JDatTeTakere | +1 |
| 02:49 | cjh | +1 |
| 02:49 | wizzyrea | #info Next meeting time 13 March 2013, 18:00 UTC |
| 02:50 | davidnind | +1 |
| 02:50 | khall | +1 |
| 02:50 | wizzyrea | Thank you friends for a most excellent meeting - anything else before we wrap this up? |
| 02:50 | thd | That is actually Wednesday UTC next time. |
| 02:50 | dcook | I did have a question before about Kohacon |
| 02:50 | bag | +1 |
| 02:51 | nancyk | I'm still here |
| 02:51 | dcook | Well, it's a generic question. What is the purpose of Koha con? |
| 02:51 | Discussing the future? Success stories of the present? All the above? None of the above? | |
| 02:51 | wizzyrea | it's a global gathering of koha users and developers for the enrichment of all of them |
| 02:51 | druthb | All the above, and more. |
| 02:51 | nancyk | Training, sharing, mentoring, planning , working |
| 02:52 | dcook | Mmmm |
| 02:52 | Excellent. Thank you for all your answers :) | |
| 02:52 | druthb | Socializin', sticking faces with names, at last... |
| 02:52 | * thd | races to the market before closing |
| 02:52 | wizzyrea | later thd |
| 02:52 | #endmeeting | |
| 02:52 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org | |
| 02:52 | huginn | Meeting ended Thu Feb 7 02:52:20 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 02:52 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-02-07-02.05.html | |
| 02:52 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]3-02-07-02.05.txt | |
| 02:52 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]07-02.05.log.html | |
| 02:52 | dcook | True enough. I'm excited to meet folks in person |
| 02:52 | wizzyrea | yussss |
| 02:52 | druthb | Beer. |
| 02:52 | dcook | And beer |
| 02:52 | JDatTeTakere | Thanks wizzyrea |
| 02:52 | nancyk | It will be a lot of fun! |
| 02:52 | druthb | wizzyrea++ |
| 02:53 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea++ |
| 02:54 | jcamins | Okay, some people were interested in testing. |
| 02:54 | JDatTeTakere | Yes...me :-) |
| 02:54 | jcamins | I'm on the phone, but just to drive my wife nuts, I'll type too... |
| 02:54 | JDatTeTakere | I can wait |
| 02:54 | dcook | wizzyrea++ |
| 02:55 | jcamins | Actually... you're in NZ, so it'll be daytime for you for a while. |
| 02:55 | nancyk: would it be possible to set up a time to give you a tutorial during our day? | |
| 02:55 | cjh | jcamins++ |
| 02:55 | nancyk | How to become a tester would be a good presentation |
| 02:56 | jcamins | nancyk: it would be, and I hope someone will be giving it. |
| 02:56 | nancyk | I'm bad at guessing time zones, but ok |
| 02:56 | jcamins | nancyk: "our day" = "when it is daytime for you" |
| 02:56 | Ask anyone on #koha when it is "not day" for me. ;) | |
| 02:56 | * mtompset | grins. |
| 02:56 | JDatTeTakere | What time is it for you now? |
| 02:57 | jcamins | 10pm. |
| 02:57 | If it weren't for my phone call to my wife, I'd do it now. :) | |
| 02:57 | nancyk | 7PM on the 6th |
| 02:57 | JDatTeTakere | Later is fine. |
| 02:57 | jcamins | nancyk: if you are going to be around tomorrow morning (your time), just hop on and I'll take some time to go over testing with you. :) |
| 02:58 | nancyk | husband and dog are wanting dinner, ok ,i'll hop! |
| 02:58 | * dcook | thinks it is always daytime in jcamins brain. |
| 02:59 | jcamins | dcook: pretty much. |
| 02:59 | nancyk | bye |
| 02:59 | druthb left #koha | |
| 03:00 | * libsysguy | thinks if I don't leave soon his Swede is going to be pissed |
| 03:00 | wizzyrea | libsysguy? |
| 03:00 | wahanui | libsysguy is, like, Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck or koha's youngest developer |
| 03:00 | libsysguy | ignore the grammer |
| 03:00 | * wizzyrea | nods |
| 03:00 | libsysguy | and have a good night |
| 03:00 | :) | |
| 03:00 | wizzyrea | you should go party on the deck. |
| 03:00 | libsysguy | oh I will ;) |
| 03:00 | cjh | koha's youngest dev? |
| 03:00 | libsysguy | later wizzyrea |
| 03:00 | oh…yeah that too | |
| 03:01 | I think | |
| 03:01 | wizzyrea | mmm no |
| 03:01 | jcamins | Not anymore. |
| 03:01 | libsysguy | pianohacker may have it |
| 03:01 | wizzyrea | mragent075 is |
| 03:01 | libsysguy | oh |
| 03:01 | dcook | :o |
| 03:01 | cjh | Im pretty sure im younger than you, but im not the youngest to have a patch in. |
| 03:01 | jcamins | mragent075. |
| 03:01 | wahanui | i heard mragent075 was our academy student :) |
| 03:01 | wizzyrea | 16 |
| 03:01 | cjh | heh |
| 03:01 | libsysguy | ah dang it |
| 03:01 | dcook | Just wait until I have some sprogs |
| 03:01 | libsysguy | well I just turned 24 |
| 03:01 | gnight | |
| 03:01 | dcook | night libsysguy |
| 03:02 | I thought I was young at 25 :p | |
| 03:02 | bag | painohacker was 14 when he got a patch in |
| 03:02 | wizzyrea | ah yep cjh and pianohacker and mragent075 all younger than you |
| 03:02 | dcook | Which reminds me, how old is jcamins? |
| 03:02 | JDatTeTakere | Old enough to have a wife |
| 03:02 | * dcook | doesn't make that joke |
| 03:02 | cjh | hmm i'll have to check how old Bart was when his first patch went in |
| 03:03 | jcamins | 26 |
| 03:03 | wizzyrea | ah yep, I forgot him and jorgia |
| 03:04 | dcook | I thought so, jcamins. I'm astounded by how much you've done in that time. |
| 03:04 | JDatTeTakere | Should we schedule a better time to learn about testing jcamins? |
| 03:04 | cjh | wizzyrea: iirc jorgia was in her 2nd to last year of high-school, bart was a year or so younger. |
| 03:04 | jcamins | JDatTeTakere: no, if you'll be around for a while, I'll be off the phone soon. |
| 03:04 | JDatTeTakere | OK...officially on holiday but can hang around. |
| 03:04 | jcamins | JDatTeTakere: in that case, go home! |
| 03:04 | We can do this when you get back easily. :) | |
| 03:04 | No need to test on your holiday! | |
| 03:05 | dcook | People are pretty good about helping out with questions on testing as well |
| 03:05 | * dcook | just learned last year, so it's still pretty fresh. Especially when it comes to thinks that aren't on the wiki...yet |
| 03:05 | dcook | things* |
| 03:06 | wizzyrea | what things? |
| 03:06 | wahanui | things are quiet here. I think most people are still running on holiday brain. |
| 03:06 | wizzyrea | forget things |
| 03:06 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot things |
| 03:06 | * dcook | ponders |
| 03:06 | JDatTeTakere | It's OK jcamins...I am at home. |
| 03:06 | cjh | dcook: if you learn something that isnt on the wiki, please consider adding it :) |
| 03:06 | dcook | I had to set up my git bz again recently, and I don't think the config on the wiki worked |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | it worked for me 2 weeks ago |
| 03:07 | >.> | |
| 03:07 | dcook | I had to Google the IRC log where jcamins and...mtj I think explained it a bit more |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | <.< |
| 03:07 | dcook | Different systems I assume |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | < ubuntu |
| 03:07 | dcook | < opensuse |
| 03:07 | without root access :p | |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | hm, shouldn't matter. Well that might matter. |
| 03:07 | jcamins | It shouldn't matter. |
| 03:07 | I can walk you through git-bz after I help JDatTeTakere. | |
| 03:08 | dcook | You already did :p |
| 03:08 | My config is based on what you told me last year | |
| 03:08 | wajasu | anyone here familiar with the template toolkit strategy for koha? |
| 03:08 | jcamins | Right, but if it doesn't work, we'll fix it. :) |
| 03:08 | dcook | ? |
| 03:08 | jcamins | wajasu: huh? |
| 03:08 | dcook | Ah no |
| 03:08 | Sorry, jcamins. | |
| 03:08 | It got blitzed one day, so I had to re-install and re-configure | |
| 03:08 | Using the IRC logs rather than the wiki. I've updated the wiki since then. | |
| 03:08 | wajasu: strategy? | |
| 03:09 | wajasu | if i want to generate a different search URL based on a syspref setting, is there an example or desired way to do this. |
| 03:09 | INClude, or custom function | |
| 03:10 | dcook | I imagine you could just do it with a TT conditional |
| 03:11 | If syspref, then this url | |
| 03:11 | Or do it on the perl side | |
| 03:11 | * dcook | is confused |
| 03:12 | wajasu | that makes sense. |
| 03:12 | i just need to get familiar with things like: where is the perl side :) | |
| 03:13 | dcook | Ahh. |
| 03:13 | Well, what is it that you're trying to do? | |
| 03:13 | In terms of generating the different search URL? | |
| 03:13 | wajasu | i need to get some query params to change based on UseAuthoritesForTracings |
| 03:14 | the Authors links aren't changing like that do for the XSLT views. | |
| 03:15 | dcook | Hmm. Have you filed a bug report? |
| 03:15 | wajasu | instead of au:Joe Cool , I need the format using the RLIN. |
| 03:15 | i'm writing one now. | |
| 03:17 | dcook | The way I see it, you'll want to see what the variable name is that renders as au:Joe Cool in the template |
| 03:18 | Then you'll want to go to the associated Perl script. Before it pushes the variable/parameter to the template, you'll want to write a condition that detects if UseAuthoritiesForTracings is set, and then change that variable to the authority number (which might be floating around in a variable around there or you might need to use retrieve it some other way) | |
| 03:18 | Is this in the search results or the detail page? Or both? | |
| 03:19 | I imagine you'll want to look at Search.pm, search.pl, and opac-search.pl | |
| 03:19 | wajasu | detail.tt and moredetail.tt(i think) |
| 03:19 | dcook | Mmm, in that case detail.pl and opac-detail.pl |
| 03:19 | wajasu | its easy if you grep for UseAuthoritesForTracings in the xslt templates. |
| 03:20 | dcook | moredetail.tt is probably written to from detail.pl as well |
| 03:21 | Hmm, actually, now that I think about it... | |
| 03:21 | wajasu | i'll look into building the queryparms string in the perl, and exposing it as a variable to be substituted. |
| 03:21 | dcook | I'm not sure. Your answer will lie in detail.pl and opac-detail.pl most likely though |
| 03:21 | wajasu | thanks. |
| 03:22 | dcook | No worries. I'm intrigued. I'm actually looking at other authority stuff at the moment. Good luck! |
| 03:22 | wizzyrea | there is no way to generate all of the invoices for patrons who have lost items, is there? |
| 03:23 | * wizzyrea | thinks there is not but... just checking. |
| 03:24 | dcook | Can't say that I've ever heard it come up |
| 03:35 | jcamins | JDatTeTakere: okay, the good news is that testing is easy! |
| 03:36 | The bad news is, it's never ending. | |
| 03:36 | JDatTeTakere | OK...what do I need to know |
| 03:36 | jcamins | There are two ways to test patches for Koha. |
| 03:37 | The first is using the "sandboxes." | |
| 03:37 | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes | |
| 03:37 | That page has instructions for using sandboxes. | |
| 03:38 | The second is by running a Koha installation on a spare server or virtual machine. | |
| 03:38 | JDatTeTakere | OK...I'll check out the sandboxes. |
| 03:38 | I actually have a spare PC floating around here at home that I was thinking of installing Koha on... | |
| 03:38 | jcamins | The second allows you to test a wider variety of patches. |
| 03:39 | The sandboxes can only test certain kinds of patches. | |
| 03:39 | JDatTeTakere | OK... |
| 03:39 | But sandboxes are a good way to start? | |
| 03:39 | jcamins | In particular, any patch that involves a change to Zebra can't be tested using sandboxes. |
| 03:39 | Oh yes! | |
| 03:40 | JDatTeTakere | Zebra is the search engine? |
| 03:40 | jcamins | Right. |
| 03:40 | So I'll quickly go over the procedure for testing on sandboxes. | |
| 03:40 | JDatTeTakere | Cool - thanks |
| 03:41 | jcamins | Step one is to choose a patch for testing. |
| 03:42 | bag | good night I'm heading home |
| 03:42 | jcamins | If you go to http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ you'll see a "Bug statuses" section about halfway down. |
| 03:42 | "Needs Signoff" is a link that will always get you to a list of the patches awaiting sign off. | |
| 03:43 | JDatTeTakere | Yes, see that |
| 03:43 | So I need to set up an account in Bugzilla | |
| 03:43 | dcook | Night bag |
| 03:43 | jcamins | (that's the only link that will always work, whether you're logged in or not, which is why I took you the long way around) |
| 03:43 | Yes, you'll definitely want an account on Bugzilla. | |
| 03:44 | However, you actually do not need an account to use the sandboxes. | |
| 03:45 | wajasu | jcamins: if i do a package install, and a dev install with (ICU), would it be sufficient to just diff the zebra configs directory hierarchy to determine what i need to change after a package install? |
| 03:45 | jcamins | wajasu: it should. |
| 03:46 | JDatTeTakere: so from that list you'd need to choose a bug that you think you can test. | |
| 03:46 | For example, bug 9484. | |
| 03:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9484 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Needs Signoff , userid not generated consistently (different editing pages) |
| 03:46 | wajasu | jcamins: ok. i feel better about migrating to packages |
| 03:46 | jcamins | (once there's a test plan... I have no idea what the problem is) |
| 03:47 | But let's assume that we know how to test that bug for the moment. | |
| 03:47 | On that wiki page are links to the sandboxes that are set up. | |
| 03:47 | JDatTeTakere | OK |
| 03:49 | jcamins | So you could choose sandbox1, follow the link to set up the sandbox (http://pro.test1.biblibre.com/[…]/koha/sandbox.pl), fill in the bug number and e-mail address (and choose a database). |
| 03:49 | You'll get an e-mail saying that the sandbox is set up, at which point you can log into the staff client and work through the test plan. | |
| 03:50 | JDatTeTakere | How do I choose a database? |
| 03:50 | jcamins | If it works, you use the same setup page to sign off. |
| 03:50 | That setup page gives you an option. | |
| 03:50 | You will almost always want the "tiny MARC21" database. | |
| 03:50 | JDatTeTakere | OK...that's what I meant |
| 03:51 | jcamins | If it doesn't work, you will need a login for Bugzilla. |
| 03:52 | JDatTeTakere | I have a login... |
| 03:52 | jcamins | You log in and change the status to "Failed QA" and explain what the problem is. |
| 03:52 | Then the developer can fix it. :) | |
| 03:52 | JDatTeTakere | And then it's released for testing again? |
| 03:52 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 03:53 | We hope. | |
| 03:53 | JDatTeTakere | :-) |
| 03:53 | OK...I'll try to find one that I can test now then. | |
| 03:53 | jcamins | Sometimes patches just get abandoned at that point. :( |
| 03:54 | * dcook | takes that as an incentive to go back to a patch he may or may not have sort of abandoned but always meant to go back to |
| 03:54 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 03:54 | A lot of prolific developers just forget at that point. | |
| 03:55 | JDatTeTakere | Thanks for your held jcamins |
| 03:55 | jcamins | You're welcome. |
| 03:55 | JDatTeTakere | Ooops...help |
| 03:55 | jcamins | And if you have any questions, someone on #koha will help out. |
| 03:55 | wizzyrea | bug 9115 might be a good one |
| 03:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9115 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , basket window should close automatically when placing a hold |
| 03:55 | jcamins | Excellent one! |
| 03:56 | wizzyrea | oh nm that one's for me :P |
| 03:56 | JDatTeTakere | Damn...wizzyrea beat me to the sandbox. |
| 03:56 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 03:56 | wizzyrea | no I meant, it's for 3.6 ;) |
| 03:57 | jcamins | If it's a backport, it's your call whether it needs another signoff. |
| 04:00 | @quote search C4::Search | |
| 04:00 | huginn | jcamins: 1 found: #26: "<chris> as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt" |
| 04:00 | jcamins | @quote search C4 |
| 04:00 | huginn | jcamins: 4 found: #164: "<sekjal> word of advice to folks: take an...", #210: "< oleonard> You could carpet a floor in FIXME's...", #211: "<paul_p> mtate a bug in C4/Search ? That's...", and #26: "<chris> as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt" |
| 04:00 | jcamins | @quote search stares |
| 04:00 | huginn | jcamins: 1 found: #184: "slef: IF YOU STARE TOO DEEPLY INTO MARC21,..." |
| 04:03 | bag | oh yeah wizzyrea "I feel the need to note that if the 3 person Rteam were installed, ByWater would have docmanager, translation manager, and RM all at the same time" I actually like that - getting accused of trying to volunteer too much :) At least we are trying |
| 04:03 | wizzyrea++ | |
| 04:03 | :D | |
| 04:03 | I as going to say that earlier but didn't think in the middle of meeting was right :P | |
| 04:08 | rangi | connor is the youngest at 14 |
| 04:08 | jcamins | Oh, I didn't realize he was that young. |
| 04:26 | dcook | Hmm...there is something funny with the opac css on master |
| 04:26 | jcamins | dcook: oh? |
| 04:26 | dcook | line 1918 of opac.css |
| 04:27 | The padding left isn't being picked up it seems, and it's pushing the cart graphic above the text | |
| 04:27 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 04:29 | dcook | Unless it's my dev install or browser screwing things up for some reason |
| 04:29 | #cartmenulink { | |
| 04:29 | padding-left: .7em\0/; | |
| 04:29 | } works | |
| 04:30 | #cartmenulink { | |
| 04:30 | padding-left: .7emurl(0/); | |
| 04:30 | } | |
| 04:30 | is what shows up in master | |
| 04:30 | At leat in my browser | |
| 04:30 | jcamins | Looks right to me on my server. |
| 04:30 | http://kohadev.cpbibliography.com/ | |
| 04:31 | dcook | Hmm |
| 04:32 | Must be my Chrome being grumpy | |
| 04:32 | FF works fine | |
| 04:33 | I've noticed that Chrome often gets the shits with me when I'm using my dev install | |
| 04:33 | jcamins | Did you try clearing the cache? |
| 04:34 | dcook | I've just tried bypassing it with shift + f5 |
| 04:35 | jcamins | Shift+F5 doesn't refresh CSS and Javascript in Chrome. |
| 04:35 | Try Ctrl+F5. | |
| 04:35 | dcook | Just tried that too |
| 04:35 | jcamins | Or Alt+F5. |
| 04:35 | I can never remember. | |
| 04:35 | dcook | I swear that I've had it refresh CSS and Javascript before though |
| 04:35 | jcamins | Sometimes. |
| 04:36 | wajasu | ls |
| 04:36 | * wajasu | whoops |
| 04:37 | dcook | Hmm, tried emptying the cache |
| 04:37 | Probably need to exit and reopen Chrome | |
| 04:37 | But all the tabs... | |
| 04:41 | Hmm, that's disconcerting | |
| 04:44 | jcamins | Hrm. |
| 04:45 | dcook | Tried flushing the memcache, tried opening and closing the browser |
| 04:45 | jcamins | The patch for bug 9552 doesn't work for me. |
| 04:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9552 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Passed QA , BIB1 Relation "Greater Than" Attribute Not Mapped Properly in CCL.Properties |
| 04:45 | dcook | Really? |
| 04:45 | What's it do? | |
| 04:45 | jcamins | Cause nginx conniptions. |
| 04:46 | ",gt" in the URL seems to be the problem. | |
| 04:46 | dcook | Weird...are you able to use ",lt" ? |
| 04:46 | jcamins | Hrm. |
| 04:46 | No. | |
| 04:46 | Maybe it's just commas. | |
| 04:46 | dcook | They're not encoded? |
| 04:46 | jcamins | Good question. |
| 04:47 | dcook | I didn't see where they were encoded in the script, but they certainly were in the address bar when I looked |
| 04:48 | jcamins | Looks like another Plack issue. |
| 04:48 | * jcamins | will look at it later. |
| 04:49 | jcamins | It is, after all, almost midnight. |
| 04:49 | I'll look at one or two easier patches and call it a night. | |
| 04:50 | dcook | I'll put together my opac css one in a sec :p |
| 04:51 | Ahh, but you're looking at pushing not signing or qaing | |
| 04:51 | You are certainly a trooper | |
| 04:51 | jcamins | Right. |
| 04:51 | dcook | I reiterate what I said before. I don't know where you find the time, or how you've managed to do so much for only being 26 |
| 04:52 | jcamins | Thanks. :) |
| 04:53 | dcook | You're very welcome. I'd love to hear more about all you've done some time when you have free time. Maybe it'll even be at KohaCon13 |
| 04:53 | jcamins | :) |
| 04:53 | I'm always happy to talk. | |
| 04:57 | dcook | I like to listen :). Most people I know in libraries/library IT are either at the eginning of their careers with little experience or near the end with very different interests and career pathways. Always glad to hear from people with similar interests who work in the same speciality |
| 04:58 | jcamins | I'd say that I fit in the first category, but just the other day I said "yes, I did that in the public library I worked at a decade ago." |
| 04:59 | (and let me tell you, that was a really weird thing to find yourself saying) | |
| 05:00 | *that is | |
| 05:01 | dcook | Hehe, I bet |
| 05:01 | I started in libraries about 6 years ago and even that sounds pretty weird at this point | |
| 05:01 | I just got my MLIS in December and many of my classmates had never worked in a library | |
| 05:02 | Not that I want to distract you, but where did all the computer science and Koha stuff come into the mix? During your BA/MLIS? | |
| 05:02 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_7507' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c533a0c7cf70ff7a2> / Bug 7507 - Audience Subtype limit on OPAC Advanced Search does not have all Audiences <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]748e7f52e48bbc77c> / Merge branch 'bug_9546' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p= |
| 05:02 | jcamins | Before, actually. |
| 05:02 | I was a programmer before starting college. | |
| 05:02 | Then I decided I was done with that game. | |
| 05:03 | dcook | Self-taught programmer in high school? |
| 05:03 | jcamins | Well, my father is a very senior developer. |
| 05:04 | dcook | Ahhh. |
| 05:04 | jcamins | So he taught me when I was little (very little!). |
| 05:04 | dcook | I might be planning that a little bit for my future wee ones :p |
| 05:04 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1038 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 05:04 | jcamins | And I had the good fortune to be hired by a software company as soon as I could get a work permit thingy. |
| 05:05 | dcook | My dad taught me how to use DOS and Windows 3.1. He's not a power user, but he knew more back then than most people in my rural community |
| 05:05 | That's always good :) | |
| 05:05 | Admittedly, I'm in that situation about now | |
| 05:05 | jcamins | After college I set off to Afghanistan to be a librarian, and one thing led to another. |
| 05:06 | dcook | So where was the work permit for? The US? |
| 05:06 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 05:06 | You have to get a work permit if you're under 17. | |
| 05:07 | dcook | As a citizen? |
| 05:07 | It seems like you have quite the story! | |
| 05:07 | jcamins | Yeah, child labor laws. |
| 05:07 | I'm not sure it's that way in every state, but it is in NJ. | |
| 05:08 | dcook | Intriguing |
| 05:08 | So what made you decide to stop being a programmer? | |
| 05:08 | When I was in high school, I was planning to do CS, but a friend of my sister's convinced me not to and I did English instead | |
| 05:09 | Since then, I have some regret that I didn't do CS (because of my current knowledge gap), but I do wonder if I would've liked it outside a library context | |
| 05:09 | jcamins | I was a pretty good programmer, but it was very stressful. |
| 05:10 | rangi | it's far less mental outside of a library context |
| 05:10 | dcook | Less mental? |
| 05:10 | rangi | yep |
| 05:10 | jcamins | rangi: yeah, but the hours... |
| 05:10 | * jcamins | shudders. |
| 05:10 | dcook | Mmm, I do know a few people who work for IBM and Telstra |
| 05:11 | And yeah...their phone is never off | |
| 05:11 | rangi | you just have to work for a decent company |
| 05:11 | jcamins | And never ever own your own business. |
| 05:11 | ... oops. :P | |
| 05:11 | dcook | lol |
| 05:11 | rangi | ive been a programmer for hmm 19 years |
| 05:12 | (paid to programme that is) | |
| 05:12 | dcook | jcamins: I debate it back and forth all the time. I see the hours that my boss puts in...but then I also see the control that you have (and the compensation that comes from being the boss although then you have all the expenses and disasters to worry about too) |
| 05:12 | How much of that has been in the library context, rangi? | |
| 05:12 | At least 13? | |
| 05:12 | rangi | naw |
| 05:13 | well not in total | |
| 05:13 | jcamins | dcook: I'm mostly kidding. I love having my own business. |
| 05:13 | rangi | its only really 4 or 5 years when i worked full time on koha stuff |
| 05:13 | dcook | Always reassuring to hear that |
| 05:13 | jcamins | |
| 05:14 | I still don't know if I would do it, but I don't know what the future will bring. Lots of possibilities it seems. | |
| 05:14 | jcamins | Okay... I'm confused. |
| 05:14 | dcook | Me too |
| 05:14 | jcamins | How did pubdate,gt work for you? |
| 05:14 | dcook | Well, I'm confused for something else |
| 05:15 | I didn't try pubdate,gt | |
| 05:15 | I used acqdate,gt | |
| 05:15 | jcamins | Ah! |
| 05:15 | Thanks. | |
| 05:15 | dcook | I think Galen changed it |
| 05:15 | * dcook | tries to remember the test plan |
| 05:15 | dcook | For acqdate, you'll need to use a yyyy-mm-dd string |
| 05:16 | But pubdate would just need yyyy, I imagine | |
| 05:16 | rangi: I don't even know where to start with the questions about the origin of Koha and your own programming experience | |
| 05:18 | rangi | you could read the code4lib article |
| 05:18 | http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/1638 | |
| 05:19 | jcamins | Okay, there we go. |
| 05:19 | I haven't the foggiest idea how pubdate,gt could have worked. | |
| 05:19 | pubdate,st-year,gt works. | |
| 05:19 | However, the patch is an improvement. | |
| 05:20 | dcook | Hmm |
| 05:20 | jcamins | And we won't have this problem with QueryParser. |
| 05:20 | dcook | I just tried "pubdate,gt:2012" and it worked |
| 05:20 | Well...seemingly | |
| 05:21 | jcamins | Oh, I bet it's GRS-1 vs. DOM. |
| 05:21 | dcook | Mmm, could be |
| 05:21 | You're DOM? | |
| 05:22 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 05:23 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9552' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f7d34026585137935> / Bug 9552 - BIB1 Relation "Greater Than" Attribute Not Mapped Properly in CCL.Properties <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9c394317fb479a6f6> |
| 05:23 | dcook | Yay! |
| 05:24 | wajasu | nice |
| 05:24 | dcook | I have a note to go back and send a patch to kohadocs when I have some time as well |
| 05:25 | Seems like Nicole supports the thing almost completely singlehandedly | |
| 05:25 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 05:25 | rangi | if you fix the french ones, so they stop failing (just change the html entities into the unicode char they should be) |
| 05:25 | that would be awesome | |
| 05:25 | dcook | Hm? |
| 05:25 | rangi | theyve been failing for a year or so |
| 05:25 | jcamins | That would be very awesome! |
| 05:25 | rangi | its annoying |
| 05:25 | dcook | Which french ones? |
| 05:26 | The french manuals? | |
| 05:26 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 05:26 | dcook | I'll make a note of that as well |
| 05:26 | rangi | http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]_Docs/278/console |
| 05:26 | dcook | Hmm, I've been looking for a way to keep up with my French as well.. |
| 05:26 | rangi | excellent |
| 05:26 | dcook | I'm really keen to promote Koha more back home in Canada as well. Do the Quebec folks ever drop in on the IRC channel? |
| 05:26 | jcamins | Sometimes. |
| 05:27 | rangi | yep |
| 05:27 | jcamins | Haven't seen them in a while. |
| 05:27 | rangi | maximep |
| 05:27 | seen maximep? | |
| 05:27 | wahanui | maximep was last seen on #koha 19 days, 14 hours, 30 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying: crazy weather [Fri Jan 18 14:56:55 2013] |
| 05:27 | rangi | seen ebegin |
| 05:27 | wahanui | ebegin was last seen on #koha 1 years, 32 days, 8 hours, 31 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying: nengard, let me know if the numbering pattern that I suggest in the email works as expected ;) [Fri Jan 6 20:56:18 2012] |
| 05:28 | dcook | Hmm, maybe I'll have to send some emails their way too |
| 05:28 | rangi | did you know all the schools PEI use koha? |
| 05:28 | dcook | I suppose Evergreen is pretty big on the west coast, and I think the community website says that there are some instances of Koha randomly through the mid-west, but...I think that Canada would love Koha |
| 05:28 | O_O | |
| 05:28 | rangi | http://www.gov.pe.ca/index.php[…]7681&dept=&lang=E |
| 05:28 | dcook | I did not, but that is awesome! |
| 05:29 | rangi | http://211.schoollibrary.edu.p[…]blionumber=183759 |
| 05:30 | dcook | That is oh so very cool |
| 05:30 | And great promotion material as well... | |
| 05:30 | Thanks, rangi :) | |
| 05:31 | I found the available information about use of Koha in Canada to be a bit spotty :/ | |
| 05:31 | rangi | well its totally up to people to tell us/someone they are using it |
| 05:31 | dcook | Oh absolutely |
| 05:31 | rangi | libraries are notoriously bad at publicity |
| 05:32 | dcook | Agreed |
| 05:32 | rangi | i think that is the single biggest problem facing them |
| 05:32 | there's a lot of 'how do we be relevant?' | |
| 05:32 | dcook | Interestingly though, I think public libraries in Canada are heaps better than Australia |
| 05:32 | jcamins | I can't find any problems with 9521. |
| 05:32 | rangi | the main answer is 'tell people you actually exist and what you offer' |
| 05:32 | dcook | Very true |
| 05:32 | wahanui | I know. That's why I said it. |
| 05:32 | dcook | Main answer? |
| 05:32 | wahanui | i think Main answer is 'tell people you actually exist and what you offer' |
| 05:33 | dcook | As in the most frequent? |
| 05:33 | rangi | no as in the one that would actually be useful |
| 05:33 | the most frequent is | |
| 05:33 | lets get ebooks | |
| 05:33 | jcamins | lol |
| 05:33 | rangi | which since no one knows you have them |
| 05:33 | still doesnt help | |
| 05:33 | jcamins | Like Overdrive. :P |
| 05:33 | dcook | lol |
| 05:33 | Ugh...Overdrive... | |
| 05:33 | That's what I was thinking, rangi | |
| 05:33 | Typically, at least back home, the library usually has what you want | |
| 05:34 | For free | |
| 05:34 | O_O | |
| 05:34 | rangi | yep |
| 05:34 | dcook | I worked at a law firm down the street from the central library in Vancouver |
| 05:34 | I went to the library every day. Amazing resources | |
| 05:34 | When I was studying legal research, they had up to date legal resources! | |
| 05:34 | Although the BC Courthouse Library is still probably the best law library for the public that I've ever encountered | |
| 05:35 | Yeah, maybe I'm a little homesick sometimes ;) | |
| 05:35 | rangi | hehe |
| 05:35 | dcook | I have to hunt for libraries in Sydney and when I find them... |
| 05:35 | rangi | yeah |
| 05:35 | dcook | Any better in NZ or NY? |
| 05:35 | rangi | its a little better here |
| 05:36 | dcook | I don't think my sister in Tampa uses her public library as they don't have very good resources and they're difficult to access |
| 05:36 | rangi | but lots of them are kinda invisible |
| 05:37 | jcamins | I rarely use the library, actually. |
| 05:37 | rangi | i cant use the catalogue of our local one |
| 05:37 | jcamins | We only moved to somewhere the library was convenient again last March. |
| 05:38 | rangi | it makes me want to stab myself in the eye |
| 05:38 | te takere, however, rules | |
| 05:38 | http://www.tetakere.org.nz/ | |
| 05:39 | jcamins | rangi: thanks for fixing the status flow thing on bugzilla. |
| 05:40 | rangi | No worries |
| 05:40 | jcamins | So much better. |
| 05:41 | dcook | Not bad, rangi. Although where is the catalogue search bar? |
| 05:41 | Mmm, I know how that goes, jcamins | |
| 05:43 | I just recently moved suburbs and have yet to check out my local library. I'm trying not to get my hopes up too much, but...it's a more wealthy neighbourhood than I lived in before, so you never know... | |
| 05:43 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9521' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3ae075b60e55222b8> / Bug 9521: Move common jQuery assets to koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/lib <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2a7c63dc3121d9b5d> |
| 05:46 | jcamins | Okay, that's it for me. |
| 05:46 | I got through the backlog. | |
| 05:46 | dcook | Nice one! |
| 05:47 | jcamins | Well, almost. |
| 05:47 | dcook | G'night! |
| 05:47 | jcamins_away | Good night. |
| 05:47 | wahanui | I watch you sleep. |
| 05:47 | jcamins_away | wahanui: thank goodness! |
| 05:47 | wahanui | jcamins_away: excuse me? |
| 05:48 | dcook | lol |
| 05:48 | jcamins_away | Well, I might need some #koha-style factoids at 4am. |
| 05:48 | dcook | I suppose you never know |
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| 06:11 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1038: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1038/ |
| 06:11 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 9546 : Updating make manifest tardist | |
| 06:11 | * dcook: Bug 7507 - Audience Subtype limit on OPAC Advanced Search does not have all Audiences | |
| 06:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9546 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , MANIFEST.SKIP breaking regexp when running make manifest tardist |
| 06:11 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7507 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Audience Subtype limit on Advanced Search does not have all Audiences | |
| 06:12 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1039 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 06:13 | dcook | hi cait :) |
| 06:15 | cait | h dcook :) |
| 06:37 | * dcook | wishes there were more hours in the day and more days in the week... |
| 06:39 | * cait | too |
| 07:01 | dcook | Speaking of which, I'm finally going to call it a day and get out into the world |
| 07:01 | Ta cait and other kohaers! | |
| 07:01 | cait | :) |
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| 07:08 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:08 | rangi | hi reiveune |
| 07:09 | reiveune | hi rangi, cait, magnuse :) |
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| 07:12 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 07:13 | rangi | hi drojf and sophie_m |
| 07:14 | drojf | so you do your meeting at a weird time and then you come up with the craziest ideas? :P |
| 07:14 | hi rangi | |
| 07:19 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1039: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1039/ |
| 07:19 | * dcook: Bug 9552 - BIB1 Relation "Greater Than" Attribute Not Mapped Properly in CCL.Properties | |
| 07:19 | * oleonard: Bug 9521: Move common jQuery assets to koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/lib | |
| 07:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9552 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , BIB1 Relation "Greater Than" Attribute Not Mapped Properly in CCL.Properties |
| 07:19 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9521 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move common jQuery assets to koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/lib | |
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| 07:56 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:57 | drojf | hi magnuse |
| 07:57 | magnuse | hiya drojf |
| 07:57 | drojf: what's the proper greeting for you? guten tag? | |
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| 07:58 | drojf | magnuse: moin ;) |
| 07:58 | a northern german variant of "guten morgen" | |
| 07:59 | magnuse | ah, cool! |
| 07:59 | kind of similar til norwegian "morn" i guess | |
| 07:59 | also short for "good morning" | |
| 07:59 | drojf | yes :) |
| 08:00 | magnuse | s/til/to/ |
| 08:04 | drojf | there is no french word for 'newsletter'? i am shocked :P |
| 08:05 | magnuse | nouvel letre? ;-) |
| 08:05 | there http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng,_13_March_2013 | |
| 08:08 | drojf | when is feature freeze for 3.14? the meeting sounded like 'soon' |
| 08:09 | err. 3.12 | |
| 08:10 | rangi | did you see jareds email? |
| 08:11 | http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ruary/038846.html | |
| 08:11 | drojf | ah. i see it now. marked as read, but did not read it |
| 08:11 | thanks | |
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| 08:20 | * magnuse | needs to find a way to go to reno |
| 08:22 | * kf | too |
| 08:22 | magnuse | i was just reading the log of the meeting |
| 08:22 | and was reminded how much fun kohacon10 was | |
| 08:23 | kf | oh yes |
| 08:23 | * kf | made some great friends there :) |
| 08:23 | magnuse | and i think "training" more people to do sign offs would be an excellent thing for the 'con |
| 08:23 | kf: yup :-) | |
| 08:24 | drojf | i put what jcamins_away wrote on the wiki http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Roadmap_to_3.12 |
| 08:24 | feel free to add whatever might belong there | |
| 08:24 | hi kf | |
| 08:25 | * kf | has met a jedi at the bakery |
| 08:25 | kf | was almost eaten up by a crocodile on the way down the hill |
| 08:25 | and now I am worried about the headless knight sitting next office | |
| 08:25 | drojf++ | |
| 08:27 | drojf | sun!! |
| 08:27 | kf | lots of snow :) |
| 08:28 | drojf | kf: i'm so happy to live in berlin right now ;) |
| 08:28 | kf | drojf: no schmotziger in berlin? :) |
| 08:28 | hehe | |
| 08:28 | drojf | nope lol |
| 08:38 | magnuse | kf: these are not the kuchen you are looking for? |
| 08:40 | kf | kuchen? :) |
| 08:40 | how do you know I have 10 berliner/pfannkuchen on my shelf right now? :D | |
| 08:40 | magnuse | kf: you don't want to know :-) |
| 08:41 | * kf | looks over her shoulder an dwaves |
| 08:43 | * magnuse | waves back |
| 08:43 | kf | hah! |
| 08:44 | magnuse | huh? |
| 08:49 | drojf | »Four months after its formal launch, not only has Windows Phone 8 failed to win Microsoft a bigger piece of the mobile pie, but Redmond's share of US smartphone subscribers is actually still shrinking« |
| 08:50 | kf | oh ouch |
| 08:50 | source? | |
| 08:50 | wahanui | source is good. |
| 08:51 | drojf | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2[…]_still_shrinking/ |
| 08:52 | i don't remember when i have last seen any windows on a phone in the wild | |
| 08:53 | »from the look of things, the subscriber share that BlackBerry and Microsoft will be fighting over will be in the single digits, at best« heh | |
| 08:56 | kf | ... my brother has one |
| 08:56 | * kf | hides in shame |
| 08:56 | kf | ;) |
| 08:56 | drojf | there there, it's not your fault. i hope :P |
| 08:57 | kf | heh thx |
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| 09:04 | drojf | where's the duct tape? |
| 09:04 | wahanui | i guess the duct tape is versatile. |
| 09:07 | rangi | heh |
| 09:07 | bip :) | |
| 09:08 | https://wiki.linaro.org/Resources/HowTo/BIP | |
| 09:08 | i like it because it does ssl really simply | |
| 09:09 | 22:08 [Koha] -!- : is connected via SSL (secure link) | |
| 09:15 | drojf | i think that won't help with the hiccups of my network unless i run it somewhere else. |
| 09:16 | rangi | yep, thats what i do |
| 09:16 | run it on my linode | |
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| 09:17 | rangi | so i can connect from my phone or laptop or tablet, or work .. and i have all the scroll buffer on any of them and no one else notices :) |
| 09:17 | drojf | yeah that's cool |
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| 09:18 | drojf | off to work. later #koha |
| 09:19 | rangi | i wonder what magnuse and viktor are talking about |
| 09:20 | kf | google translate? :) |
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| 09:22 | alohabot | Hi mib_678bem, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 09:23 | magnuse | rangi: viktor did a talk at some swedish library do, and the video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI5ljwtUvc0&sns=em |
| 09:23 | it's in swedish, though... | |
| 09:23 | kf | viktor++ :) |
| 09:23 | rangi | ahh cool |
| 09:24 | magnuse | yeah viktor++ |
| 09:24 | i think he talked a lot about koha | |
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| 09:25 | rangi | it looks like it from looking at the slides |
| 09:26 | mib_678bem | what is the recomended web hosting company if I want to host koha online? |
| 09:27 | rangi | you want to do the sysadmin yourself? |
| 09:27 | magnuse | rangi: the title of the talk is something like "convenient or right? choosing the road for control over libraries" |
| 09:27 | mib_678bem | Yes, though am very green on koha and linux |
| 09:27 | rangi | i'd go for something like linode |
| 09:28 | were you get full control of a machine | |
| 09:29 | mib_678bem | does it come with an automated installation script? |
| 09:29 | rangi | choose debian squeeze as your OS, then you can use the koha packages |
| 09:29 | packages? | |
| 09:29 | wahanui | packages is probably at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 09:31 | mib_678bem | can I get a comprehensive installation guide with all the commands that I need to run |
| 09:32 | kf | look at the wiki page above |
| 09:34 | mib_678bem | ok thanks bro, am getting my hands on it now |
| 09:35 | I have been playing around with one here and am running it on ubuntu 12.04.02 and trying to install koha 3.10.* but I got stack at some place where it wouldnt show on http://localhost:8080 | |
| 09:36 | magnuse | mib_678bem: do you get the "it works!" page or nothing at all? |
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| 09:55 | kf | rangi++ |
| 09:57 | magnuse | rangi++ |
| 09:57 | what did he do now? :-) | |
| 09:59 | kf | just theusual |
| 09:59 | being awesoe | |
| 09:59 | being awesome even | |
| 10:01 | magnuse | yay! |
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| 11:32 | drojf | wahanui: entertain me |
| 11:32 | wahanui | drojf: excuse me? |
| 11:35 | kf | he can't |
| 11:35 | excuse? | |
| 11:35 | wahanui | kf: because Bill Gates is a Jehovah's witness and so nothing can work on St. Swithin's day. |
| 11:35 | kf | excuse? |
| 11:35 | wahanui | kf: Typo in the code |
| 11:36 | kf | @eightball will drojf sign off patches today? |
| 11:36 | huginn | kf: No chance. |
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| 12:43 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha. |
| 12:44 | kf | magnuse++ |
| 12:44 | good morning jcamins | |
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| 12:45 | drojf | hi jcamins |
| 12:45 | excuse? | |
| 12:45 | wahanui | drojf: Temporal anomaly |
| 12:45 | drojf | if that would only be temporal haha |
| 12:48 | excuse? | |
| 12:48 | wahanui | drojf: Your Flux Capacitor has gone bad. |
| 12:48 | drojf | that is so 1985 |
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| 13:26 | * oleonard | missed a meeting didn't he? |
| 13:26 | jcamins | oleonard: you did. |
| 13:26 | * oleonard | regrets |
| 13:27 | kf | read back :) |
| 13:27 | oleonard | it's not the same as being there kf! :) |
| 13:36 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9473' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]44f929c1f7aac1810> / Bug 9473: Use DataTables on tags list page <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]271d88ee89024c689> / Merge branch 'bug_9476' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ea0a52cca0bc3542b |
| 13:36 | kf | oleonard: I missed it too :) |
| 13:37 | so I understand | |
| 13:41 | jcamins | "Heavy" snow accumulation this weekend. Eww. |
| 13:41 | kf | snow in new york |
| 13:41 | what's so bad about it? :) | |
| 13:43 | jcamins | kf: it's cold, wet, and makes transportation difficult. |
| 13:44 | And, while I'm listing my complaints, we're out of raspberry jam. | |
| 13:45 | kf | oh no!! |
| 13:45 | oleonard | jcamins: Does FEMA know?! |
| 13:46 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9556' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0cdb83ae7201a370d> / Bug 9556: fix setting messaging prefs when changing patron category <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5a8f3fec3caddd8fc> |
| 13:46 | jcamins | oleonard: not yet. |
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| 13:47 | drojf | note to self: Raspberry Koha π plug and play servers for 3.14 release. instant world domination |
| 13:48 | jcamins | drojf: nice! |
| 13:48 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1040 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1038 8 hr 44 min ago) |
| 13:48 | jcamins | drojf: but I was hoping for 3.12. |
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| 13:55 | drojf | jcamins: if we get plack working without problems i don't see a problem with that |
| 13:55 | jcamins | drojf: that's kind of the trick, isn't it? |
| 13:55 | "If we get Plack working without problems." | |
| 13:56 | drojf | yeah, it's not really fun without plack |
| 13:57 | libsysguy | hey jcamins I have a present for you: http://www.coinheist.com/rubik[…]rossword/grid.pdf |
| 13:57 | jcamins | libsysguy: uhhh... |
| 13:58 | libsysguy | its a regex crossword |
| 13:58 | jcamins | o.O |
| 13:58 | kf | omg |
| 13:58 | they look weird | |
| 13:59 | libsysguy | apparently it was in the MIT mystery hunt |
| 13:59 | * jcamins | prints it out. |
| 14:00 | libsysguy | do you want the solution? |
| 14:00 | jcamins | No! |
| 14:00 | libsysguy | heh |
| 14:00 | jcamins | wtf is the point of that? |
| 14:01 | libsysguy | the solution? |
| 14:01 | wahanui | the solution is, like, not to ditch support for MySQL and everyone currently using Koha before we have working support for Postgres and a rock-solid migration plan |
| 14:01 | libsysguy | so you can check your answers |
| 14:01 | jcamins | If you get everything filled in, your answer is right. |
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| 14:01 | libsysguy | hahaha |
| 14:01 | jcamins | Bother. |
| 14:02 | It's larger than a single sheet of paper. | |
| 14:02 | libsysguy | you have to select the resize |
| 14:02 | jcamins | Yeah, _now_ I know that. :P |
| 14:03 | libsysguy | here is where it comes from http://www.mit.edu/~puzzle/ |
| 14:11 | jcamins | I filled in six cells. Just another many to go. |
| 14:12 | * oleonard | snatches the paper away from jcamins and demands he gets back to work! |
| 14:12 | drojf | omg that's craziness |
| 14:12 | libsysguy | id say thats one you definitely don't want to do in pen |
| 14:12 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 14:13 | Agreed. | |
| 14:13 | * magnuse | wonders if regexpuzzles will ever become as popular as sudoku |
| 14:14 | jcamins | magnuse: hehe. |
| 14:14 | libsysguy | in an hour jcamins you might want this https://play.google.com/store/[…]l.swearport&hl=en |
| 14:14 | jcamins | Probably not. |
| 14:14 | lol | |
| 14:14 | Thanks. | |
| 14:14 | drojf | my mom has to learn that :D |
| 14:15 | * magnuse | was almost about to check if there were any regexpuzzlecompanies he could buy stock in |
| 14:15 | drojf | prevents alzheimers, induces psychosis |
| 14:17 | magnuse | sounds like an excellent deal, drojf |
| 14:17 | drojf | heh |
| 14:27 | SandeepBhavsar | hi all |
| 14:36 | drojf | hi SandeepBhavsar |
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| 14:56 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 14:56 | Project Koha_master build #1040: FIXED in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1040/ | |
| 14:56 | * oleonard: Bug 9529 - Adding a patron shows javascript on screen under login section | |
| 14:56 | * kyle: Bug 5790 - Prevent deletion of records with holds | |
| 14:56 | * kyle: Bug 5790 - Prevent deletion of records with holds - QA Followup | |
| 14:56 | * oleonard: Bug 9477 - Use DataTables on notices page | |
| 14:56 | * oleonard: Bug 9476: Use Datatables on Koha news page | |
| 14:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9529 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Adding a patron shows javascript on screen under login section |
| 14:56 | jenkins_koha | * oleonard: Bug 9473: Use DataTables on tags list page |
| 14:56 | * gmc: Bug 9556: fix setting messaging prefs when changing patron category | |
| 14:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5790 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Deleting a biblio should alert/fail if there are existent holds |
| 14:56 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9477 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use Datatables on notices page | |
| 14:56 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9476 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use Datatables on Koha news page | |
| 14:56 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9473 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on tags list page | |
| 14:56 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9556 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Changing patron category does not fully update patron messaging preferences | |
| 14:56 | drojf | SandeepBhavsar: please ask questions in the channel instead of sending random private messages. it is considered impolite and may lead to several people being occupied with your problem at the same time. all people helping here are do so unpaid in their spare time. |
| 14:56 | jcamins | Yippee! |
| 14:57 | SandeepBhavsar | ok |
| 14:57 | Dear all please help me in solving one error, I have posted on our Koha forum | |
| 14:58 | drojf | my grammer ir b0rked |
| 14:58 | SandeepBhavsar | its realted toFAILED--Further testing stopped: ***** PROBLEMS LOADING FILE 'Koha::Cache' |
| 14:58 | make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 255 | |
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| 15:01 | jcamins | SandeepBhavsar: what operating system are you on? |
| 15:01 | SandeepBhavsar | I am using Ubuntu 10.04 |
| 15:02 | drojf | SandeepBhavsar: you should probably give links to posts you are referring to |
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| 15:03 | SandeepBhavsar | drojf, can you please guide how can I give the links |
| 15:05 | drojf | SandeepBhavsar: i mean a web link to the forum you are referring to |
| 15:05 | oleonard | http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]ruary/035479.html |
| 15:06 | SandeepBhavsar | ok got it |
| 15:06 | http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]ruary/035479.html | |
| 15:07 | jcamins | Do you have of Koha's dependencies installed? |
| 15:07 | SandeepBhavsar | dear all actually I am working as Librarian, so not having that much idea about how to interact with you all |
| 15:07 | jcamins | You don't have to preface everything you say with "dear all." |
| 15:08 | SandeepBhavsar | yes all perl modules |
| 15:08 | jcamins | And... if you're not planning on doing development, you should not be using git. |
| 15:09 | drojf | SandeepBhavsar: did you do the initial installation? |
| 15:10 | SandeepBhavsar | I have been using git from last one year, and only giving pull command for upgradation, its so simple and that's why using it actually i have posted the steps also for librarians at |
| 15:10 | http://sandeepbhavsar.blogspot[…]t-repository.html | |
| 15:10 | yes I can do the installation | |
| 15:11 | I have learned all these commands from Kousthubha Kale | |
| 15:13 | drojf | so you run master in production? |
| 15:13 | SandeepBhavsar | that i really dont know but I simply follow these commands and upgrade to latest koha |
| 15:14 | but this time it is asking for Branch?? | |
| 15:14 | jcamins | What version of Koha do you have running right now? |
| 15:16 | SandeepBhavsar | 3.08 |
| 15:17 | 3.08.01.002 | |
| 15:19 | jcamins | And you're trying to upgrade to which version? |
| 15:21 | SandeepBhavsar | I would like to upgrade the latest one now 3.10 but is it stable, or what will you guide |
| 15:22 | jcamins | I'd probably upgrade to 3.8.9, but that's not what I'm asking. |
| 15:22 | What I am asking is what version you are trying to upgrade to _right now_. | |
| 15:23 | SandeepBhavsar | 3.10 |
| 15:23 | jcamins | 3.10.what? |
| 15:24 | SandeepBhavsar | for which ver shall I go |
| 15:25 | actually in my earlier command koha does not ask me about which ver shall I go for, I simply give the command git pull and automatically the latest one upgraded | |
| 15:26 | but this time i think i have to also write branch | |
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| 15:27 | jcamins | SandeepBhavsar: I think this issue is too complicated for me to walk you through now. |
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| 15:28 | SandeepBhavsar | what will be the solution for this error http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]ruary/035479.html |
| 15:29 | jcamins | I don't know. |
| 15:29 | That's what I'm saying. | |
| 15:29 | SandeepBhavsar | no this error is different one |
| 15:29 | its related to Koha::Cache | |
| 15:29 | jcamins | Yes, but you can't tell me what version you are upgrading to so I can't help. |
| 15:30 | The only explanation I can come up with is that your git repo got messed up. | |
| 15:30 | Someone else may have time, but I have to do work for my clients. | |
| 15:30 | SandeepBhavsar | actually i also dont have any idea, only i want the latest version. May be I am unable to answer your questions,Sorry |
| 15:32 | jcamins | Right. Someone with more time may be able to help, but right now I cannot. |
| 15:41 | drojf | SandeepBhavsar: to be honest i have no idea how that may have worked for you so far. you should really consider switching to a regular package installation for your production server |
| 15:43 | SandeepBhavsar | ok, actually i was thinking that this good service to upgrade to latest version with only pull command |
| 15:43 | datadoctor | Make errors are usually related to missing PERL modules. |
| 15:44 | I don't see any specific references, but have you checked your PERL dependencies? | |
| 15:45 | SandeepBhavsar | yes my perl Makefile.PL command is not showing any perl module required means all perl modules are sufficient |
| 15:46 | now I will switch to regular package installation. | |
| 16:02 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:11 | SandeepBhavsar | bye |
| 16:24 | datadoctor | Does anyone notice a behavior on large systems where a vendor search from Acquisitions pulls up a multi-thousand line table? We've been ordering through Koha for seven years. |
| 16:24 | I can sort by date descending, but the table is still an overwhelming amount of data. | |
| 16:24 | Especially since vendors with similar names to the one I want also show up. | |
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| 16:25 | datadoctor | My baskets are closed, but they still show up. |
| 16:26 | jcamins | datadoctor: there's a patch to change that behavior, actually, because several people have noticed that problem. |
| 16:26 | datadoctor | Sounds groovy! |
| 16:26 | jcamins | datadoctor: I don't know if it's been signed off yet, but I know there was one. |
| 16:26 | Or think there was one. | |
| 16:27 | Bug 8611 | |
| 16:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8611 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , too many baskets on search results for acquisitions |
| 16:27 | jcamins | Oh, hm. |
| 16:27 | No patch, just a bug report. | |
| 16:30 | datadoctor | I'm thinking of two methods to solve the problem - an intermediate page for selecting the specific vendor name result, and limiting the display to 20,50 or 100 lines with a "Show More" option. |
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| 16:36 | datadoctor | Or maybe I could just toggle the closed baskets to not display by default, or display by choice. |
| 16:37 | jcamins | datadoctor: I think the latter was what someone wanted on bug 8611. |
| 16:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8611 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , too many baskets on search results for acquisitions |
| 16:37 | jcamins | But take a look, because I'm not sure. |
| 16:38 | * oleonard | should use datadoctor's dataset when testing or working on acquisitions |
| 16:38 | never has enough acquisitions data | |
| 16:41 | * drojf | heads home |
| 16:44 | jcamins | Argh! |
| 16:44 | I had a question for oleonard! | |
| 16:44 | Wait. | |
| 16:44 | drojf left. | |
| 16:45 | oleonard: do you know of any javascript component for a text editor that allows you to "tag" text? | |
| 16:46 | oleonard | Only in the context of a WYSIWYG editor |
| 16:46 | jcamins | What I need is a WYSIWYG editor that allows you to tag text with semantic information as well. |
| 16:48 | * jcamins | has an idea. |
| 16:49 | jcamins | It was a bad idea. |
| 17:08 | chris_n | did someone say lunch? |
| 17:10 | * jcamins | didn't. His mouth is full. |
| 17:11 | * oleonard | is too sad about jcamins' bad idea |
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| 17:23 | tcohen | deciem |
| 17:23 | decime | |
| 17:24 | jcamins | Okay, time to head into the city. |
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| 17:42 | datadoctor | I am confused about the relationship between singleBranchMode, IndependantBranches [sic], and AutoLocation. |
| 17:43 | Since we updated to v3.10, we don't appear to be limiting access to our address range as set in AutoLocation. | |
| 17:43 | oleonard | singleBranchMode means hide functionality or information related to branches because only one branch is assumed. |
| 17:44 | IndependantBranches means multiple branches but limited interaction between them | |
| 17:45 | datadoctor | As a single branch, I should be able to use singleBranchMode, but I am thinking it breaks my system if I set it that way - could be a legacy data issue again... |
| 17:45 | oleonard | Single library with no branches? |
| 17:45 | Why do you think it breaks your system? | |
| 17:46 | datadoctor | Let me think back...... |
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| 17:50 | datadoctor | My mistake. I did have it set to single branch mode, and but it reverted when I updated to v3.10 - I'll check the database. |
| 17:52 | Sorry, this problem looks more complex than I thought at first. I will look into it before I ask more questions. | |
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| 18:20 | libsysguy | anybody around that knows about init scripts? |
| 18:20 | I am trying to change the owner of a socket | |
| 18:20 | for koha to listen for plack | |
| 18:22 | slef | I don't see what that has to do with init scripts? |
| 18:22 | chown /path/to/socket | |
| 18:22 | err | |
| 18:22 | chown user.group /path/to/socket | |
| 18:22 | libsysguy | well I want it do chown the directory from the init script |
| 18:22 | slef | put that command in the init script |
| 18:22 | libsysguy | before or after the daemon starts? |
| 18:23 | slef | depends when the socket is created - probably after |
| 18:23 | libsysguy | okay, I'll give it a go |
| 18:23 | slef | but before the ;; if it's written with a case statement for start/stop/restart... like most are |
| 18:23 | libsysguy | I actually wrote mine in a function |
| 18:27 | i think I was getting confused on the differences between sh and bash | |
| 18:27 | if there are any | |
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| 18:28 | slef | There are. There's a series running on planet debian "a bashism a week" or similar. |
| 18:29 | libsysguy | I should subscribe to that |
| 18:29 | my bash skills are minmial at best | |
| 18:32 | slef | heh - it's more to warn you to specify bash in the #! if you use any of them |
| 18:32 | libsysguy | aww you mean I can't run bash commands if I path to perl in #! |
| 18:38 | slef | or if you /bin/sh |
| 18:38 | jcamins_away | libsysguy: only if you enclose them in a system("bash -e '...'"); |
| 18:38 | jeff | well, some people author a script on a system where /bin/sh == bash, and then the #!/bin/sh script breaks on a system where /bin/sh is something else entirely. |
| 18:39 | yeah, what slef said. | |
| 18:39 | jcamins_away | jeff: I didn't realize that there were systems where /bin/sh == bash. What type of system? |
| 18:39 | slef | debian used to IIRC |
| 18:39 | maybe debian < 4.0 | |
| 18:40 | libsysguy | heh jcamins_away |
| 18:40 | * libsysguy | is currently testing wheezy |
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| 18:40 | * jcamins_away | waves to nancy! |
| 18:40 | libsysguy | NANCY!! You're back! |
| 18:40 | jcamins_away | nancyk, sorry. |
| 18:40 | Tab complete didn't work. | |
| 18:41 | slef | anyone remember how to stop emacs putting tabs instead of spaces when autoindenting? |
| 18:41 | libsysguy | yes its in the wiki |
| 18:41 | jcamins_away | slef: it involves lots of parentheses. |
| 18:41 | libsysguy | well if you want to stop it in git |
| 18:41 | which is the easiest way I have found | |
| 18:42 | nancyk | Hi, can I find out more info on becoming a tester? |
| 18:42 | libsysguy | otherwise its some lisp line |
| 18:42 | jcamins_away | nancyk: you surely can! |
| 18:42 | libsysguy | I think jcamins_away just came out of his seat |
| 18:42 | jcamins_away | slef: http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]macs-in-text-mode |
| 18:43 | nancyk: so, there are two ways to test patches for Koha. | |
| 18:43 | nancyk | I don't do coding, but I know my ILS. |
| 18:43 | libsysguy | or you can do this slef http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ERL6:_Indentation |
| 18:43 | jcamins_away | Option 1 is to use the sandboxes, which are documented at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes |
| 18:43 | (we'll come back to what to do with that link, I just wanted to share it up front) | |
| 18:44 | With the sandboxes, you don't need to install anything. | |
| 18:44 | The sandboxes are on BibLibre's servers and you can just click a few buttons to choose what you want to test. | |
| 18:44 | nancyk | Ok, I'll have a look |
| 18:45 | jcamins_away | However, the convenience comes at a cost: you can't test any patches that make changes to the database, or that make indexing changes. |
| 18:46 | Option 2 is to run a Koha installation yourself, either on a spare computer, on a virtual machine on your desktop, or anywhere else you can think of to install Koha. | |
| 18:46 | nancyk | We have done some virtual, and have a dev server. It has 3.10 on it now |
| 18:47 | I also have four very intelligent staff members in my dept. who are also interested | |
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| 18:48 | jcamins_away | Okay, so the set up with option 2 is a little bit more in-depth, but if you're game, it allows you to test a lot more, and often faster. |
| 18:48 | rangi | yay! |
| 18:49 | nancyk | We will have a look at the sandbox and will be back with questions, but I like option 2 better, thanks. |
| 18:49 | jcamins_away | nancyk: oh, now I'll explain the rest of the procedures. |
| 18:50 | There are a few small differences between what you do when you have a sandbox and when you have your own server/VM, so I'll point them out. | |
| 18:50 | dashboard? | |
| 18:50 | wahanui | dashboard is at http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ |
| 18:50 | jcamins_away | ^^ on that page, about half-way down you'll see something like "Patch statuses." |
| 18:50 | The first one is "Needs Signoff," and is a link that will take you to a list of all the bugs that are awaiting signoff. | |
| 18:51 | There are ~130 at the moment, I think. | |
| 18:51 | If you're using the sandboxes, you'll need to choose bugs that are pretty simple. | |
| 18:52 | libsysguy | but there are plenty of those |
| 18:52 | so don't let jcamins_away discourage you :p | |
| 18:52 | jcamins_away | Once you choose a bug, with the sandboxes you create a sandbox and enter that bug n number where prompted. |
| 18:52 | There are *tons*. | |
| 18:52 | rangi | did you see my i want to help thing? |
| 18:52 | i want to help? | |
| 18:52 | jcamins_away | i want to help? |
| 18:52 | I forgot about that. | |
| 18:52 | It's new. | |
| 18:52 | rangi | add this stuff to that would be good :) |
| 18:53 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/I_want_to_help | |
| 18:53 | jcamins_away | \I want to help is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/I_want_to_help |
| 18:53 | I want to help? | |
| 18:53 | wahanui: \I want to help is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/I_want_to_help | |
| 18:53 | wahanui | i already had it that way, jcamins_away. |
| 18:53 | jcamins_away | I want to help? |
| 18:53 | \I want to help? | |
| 18:53 | * cait | waves |
| 18:53 | libsysguy | I want to help |
| 18:53 | jcamins_away | Anyway. |
| 18:53 | libsysguy | stinking bot |
| 18:53 | rangi | heya cait |
| 18:54 | jcamins_away | The bug report should have a test plan which you can follow. If the patch does what it is supposed to and *doesn't break anything else* you can then use the "Sign off" section on the sandbox control page. |
| 18:54 | This means that if you test a patch and it works, but it makes something you're doing harder for no reason, you can fail the patch. | |
| 18:55 | nancyk | Lots to look at and learn, thanks, got to go now, but I will be back |
| 18:55 | jcamins_away | Testing a patch and marking it as failed is just as important as testing a patch and signing off on it. |
| 18:55 | Good luck! | |
| 18:56 | rambutan | twitter: http://tinyurl.com/bf34n6d |
| 18:59 | I must have 7 twitter accounts. Someday I'll write down the password instead of just making a new account everytime I want to tweet. Someday. | |
| 18:59 | jcamins_away | Hehe. |
| 19:04 | rambutan | OK, this time I wrote it down after I reset it. I can't believe 7 people are following me. If I have 7 followers for each of my 7 accounts, well, heck, I'm famous almost. |
| 19:05 | cait | lol |
| 19:05 | jcamins_away | Hehe. |
| 19:06 | rambutan | wonder how long it takes tweets to be forwarded here? |
| 19:06 | I probably had a syntax error and it got forwarded to /dev/null | |
| 19:07 | jcamins_away | rambutan: it varies. Sometimes minutes, sometimes hours. |
| 19:08 | cait | did you have #kohails? |
| 19:09 | rambutan | no, was I supposed to? I just put in what the originator had: @anomalily @kohails-compatible |
| 19:09 | I clearly need a twitter training class | |
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| 19:12 | oleonard | rambutan: You followed an incorrect example :) |
| 19:12 | cait | good morning kathryn |
| 19:12 | :) | |
| 19:12 | rambutan | I, despite being ostensibly being computer-literate and having a progressive interest in what might be regarded as tech subjects, am very non-Web 2.0. |
| 19:12 | oleonard | rambutan: The person used @kohails (as if @kohails was a person who could respond) instead of #kohails which enables hashtag searching |
| 19:12 | rambutan | I knew that now that you reminded me |
| 19:14 | OK, ZZS | |
| 19:15 | Now, any of you old military radio operators want to guess what ZZS is? No googling. | |
| 19:15 | oleonard | Are we having an esoterica contest? |
| 19:16 | rambutan | ZZS = resend (usually after nak or corrections are made) |
| 19:20 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP9LWUIWvpU | |
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| 19:23 | bshum joined #koha | |
| 19:23 | kathryn | cait, good morning! |
| 19:24 | and greetings all | |
| 19:24 | cait | :) |
| 19:30 | rambutan | botsmack! |
| 19:30 | oleonard | khall around? |
| 19:30 | wahanui | :( |
| 19:33 | bag | oleonard: I believe his is - but sometimes slow to hear the ping :) |
| 19:33 | s/his/he | |
| 19:34 | oleonard | I'm curious if the .conf change alone is enough to trigger the highlight in Bug 7740 |
| 19:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7740 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Highlight items in own library in search results/detail page in OPAC |
| 19:38 | jcamins_away | Heh. Looks like lots of people had things to say about stand up desks. |
| 19:38 | slef | libsysguy: I do, but it's still annoying. |
| 19:38 | jcamins_away: thanks. | |
| 19:38 | jcamins_away | slef: huh? |
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| 19:39 | slef | jcamins_away: pointed me to a stackoverflow that showed the variable I want is indent-tabs-mode (the "best" answer on the page itself is wrong, IMO) |
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| 19:40 | jcamins_away | Oh, cool! |
| 19:40 | I completely forgot about that. | |
| 19:40 | You're very welcome. | |
| 19:40 | slef | Welcome to Lagland |
| 19:40 | bbl | |
| 19:59 | drojf | »Leaflet is a modern open-source JavaScript library for mobile-friendly interactive maps. British English speakers might be looking for fliers and pamphlets advertising OSM instead. « |
| 19:59 | * drojf | giggles |
| 20:06 | datadoctor | I figured out more about the odd behavior I was getting with my branch preferences. |
| 20:06 | I have singleBranchMode set to "Don't Allow" | |
| 20:06 | I have AutoLocation set to "Require" with my IP address range set to the internal network. | |
| 20:07 | When I change IndependantBranches from Don | |
| 20:07 | 't Prevent to Prevent I lose the ability to log in to the system. When I change it back (while still in session) users can log in again. | |
| 20:08 | I only have one branch defined. | |
| 20:08 | Or is that one library? MAIN = Our Library Name | |
| 20:08 | I guess it | |
| 20:09 | 's fine to leave it as Don | |
| 20:09 | 't Prevent because there is only one branch, so it's not a problem... | |
| 20:09 | * oleonard | moves datadoctor's apostrophe key further from the Enter key |
| 20:09 | datadoctor | Thanks! |
| 20:10 | I'm thinking the IndependantBranches preference breaks when there is just one branch? | |
| 20:11 | oleonard | IndependantBranches doesn't serve any function if there is only one branch |
| 20:11 | ...but maybe you're right. | |
| 20:11 | datadoctor | The ramifications are that if the IndependantBranches preference is set to "Prevent" no one can log in, and you have to manually edit the database to reset the preference. v3.10 |
| 20:12 | Most people aren't likely to change it though! | |
| 20:12 | If they are single branch | |
| 20:14 | My apologies again - I didn't test this fully. The problem occurs on my live (production) Koha v.310 stable, but not on my test server, v3.11 master. | |
| 20:14 | So maybe this has been resolved somehow. I have a feeling you won't be able to duplicate the issue. | |
| 20:15 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 20:16 | datadoctor | I think I need to learn more about the branch concept and how it integrates with authentication. |
| 20:17 | Just tested on a second 3.11 test server, set to "Prevent" and login works - on my live v.310 "Prevent" disables all logins. | |
| 20:17 | But lets your session continue - so you can set the preference back to "Don't Prevent" :) | |
| 20:18 | Thanks for listening - I am moving on now! | |
| 20:26 | oleonard | Hi wizzyrea |
| 20:26 | wizzyrea | hey oleonard |
| 20:26 | wahanui | oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer |
| 20:27 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 20:27 | how is ohio | |
| 20:27 | cait | hi wizzyrea |
| 20:28 | oleonard | Sunny and pleasant today, although I haven't been outside once in 8 hours |
| 20:34 | datadoctor | I enjoyed some Ohio sunshine on my lunch break - very warm as well. |
| 20:35 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 20:35 | it's gorgeous here today so far | |
| 20:35 | datadoctor | @wunder Kent, OH |
| 20:36 | huginn | datadoctor: The current temperature in Kent State Geography, Kent, Ohio is 6.2°C (3:35 PM EST on February 07, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:36 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 20:36 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -1.2°C (9:35 PM CET on February 07, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:36 | wizzyrea | @wunder wgtn |
| 20:36 | datadoctor | Chilly with a bit of snow, eh cait? |
| 20:36 | huginn | wizzyrea: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 20:36 | wizzyrea | hrm. |
| 20:36 | @wunder wellington, nz | |
| 20:36 | huginn | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (9:00 AM NZDT on February 08, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:37 | datadoctor | Looks like rain in Wellington! |
| 20:37 | bag | @wunder 93102 |
| 20:37 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in Near Mission - TC, Santa Barbara, California is 14.1°C (12:37 PM PST on February 07, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:37 | cait | yeah, bit of snow :) |
| 20:38 | datadoctor | Wellington is clear with 15C - I think you officially have the nicest weather wizzyrea ! |
| 20:39 | That's pretty humid though! | |
| 20:39 | wizzyrea | :) sposed to be 20 today |
| 20:39 | datadoctor | !!! |
| 20:40 | rangi | thats at the airport |
| 20:40 | it will be less humid in town | |
| 20:40 | eythian | yeah, it's not particularly humid at all |
| 20:41 | at least, that I noticed. | |
| 20:41 | rangi | http://www.wunderground.com/cg[…]773&sp=IWELLING75 |
| 20:41 | thats closer to the catalyst office | |
| 20:42 | datadoctor | The Android app looks pretty cool. |
| 20:42 | cait | morning eythian |
| 20:42 | eythian | oddly, it's about 2-3° warmer in Aro Valley than anywhere else. |
| 20:42 | hi cait | |
| 20:42 | datadoctor | KiritakiKoha |
| 20:43 | wizzyrea | ok this is wicked |
| 20:43 | http://www.wunderground.com/wu[…]land&rad.type=00Q | |
| 20:43 | it actually could be cooler, we had a bunch of kids fix it up for us | |
| 20:43 | i'm not sure the result has been uploaded yet | |
| 20:44 | datadoctor | Wow! I hadn't seen that wundermap feature - that is very cool. |
| 20:45 | wizzyrea | this is closer to my house: http://www.wunderground.com/we[…]onth=02&year=2013 |
| 20:46 | rangi | wizzyrea: yep it has |
| 20:46 | jcamins_away | Yeah, I have the new version. |
| 20:47 | _Very_ snazzy. | |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
| 20:49 | libsysguy | rangi around? |
| 20:50 | * libsysguy | can't remember how to fix the debian control file |
| 20:50 | rangi | sorta, working at the hospital |
| 20:50 | you run the script | |
| 20:50 | eythian | how'd you break it? |
| 20:50 | * libsysguy | doesn't know |
| 20:50 | jcamins_away | eythian: it has "EEEEK" in it. |
| 20:50 | rangi | debian/update-control |
| 20:50 | eythian | oh right |
| 20:50 | if it's just for that paginator one, just remove that EEEK | |
| 20:51 | libsysguy | ah okay |
| 20:51 | eythian | if it's for a bunch of things, revisit assumptions |
| 20:51 | jcamins_away | eythian: two paginators. |
| 20:51 | libsysguy | ^^ |
| 20:51 | jcamins_away | I'm pretty sure there really aren't packages for either, so I told libsysguy he had to resubmit the patch without the EEEEKs. |
| 20:51 | libsysguy | hightlight -> delete |
| 20:51 | eythian | does the box that you ran update-control on have the koha-common squeeze-dev repo loaded in? |
| 20:52 | and have apt-file update run? | |
| 20:52 | libsysguy | probably not, I just installed apt-file |
| 20:52 | eythian | squeeze-dev|main|source: libdata-paginator-perl 0.05-1 <-- that one has a package, the other one doesn't |
| 20:52 | jcamins_away | eythian: oh, interesting! |
| 20:52 | wahanui | it has been said that interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 20:53 | libsysguy | oh man, this is going to screw me up |
| 20:53 | I'm running wheezy | |
| 20:53 | eythian | that runs the risk of being problematic |
| 20:53 | actually, it probably won't be a problem | |
| 20:53 | libsysguy | I'll run the update |
| 20:53 | and se | |
| 20:53 | see** | |
| 20:53 | eythian | make sure you have the koha-common repo added first |
| 20:54 | libsysguy | shoot…okay, I'll let it finish and load it up |
| 20:54 | eythian | err |
| 20:54 | koha-community.org repo | |
| 20:54 | you don't need to install the packages or anything | |
| 20:54 | libsysguy | we should add debian/control to the .gitignore file |
| 20:54 | eythian | no we shouldn't |
| 20:54 | jcamins_away | libsysguy: no we shouldn't. |
| 20:54 | libsysguy | :p |
| 20:55 | jcamins_away | What eythian said. |
| 20:55 | It takes ages to generate, and rarely changes. | |
| 20:55 | libsysguy | okay, fine…*I* should add it to my local git ignore file |
| 20:55 | eythian | then your patches won't be correct if you change a dependency :) |
| 20:55 | libsysguy | if I crtl-C it will I be fine |
| 20:55 | so I can install koha-common | |
| 20:55 | eythian | <eythian> koha-community.org repo |
| 20:55 | <eythian> you don't need to install the packages or anything | |
| 20:55 | jcamins_away | Shouldn't be a problem. |
| 20:56 | @query packaging updates | |
| 20:56 | huginn | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7409 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, In Discussion , Missing dependencies for Debian package |
| 20:56 | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9143 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Package related updates for master | |
| 20:56 | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8806 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Debian packaging updates | |
| 20:56 | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3087 enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB | |
| 20:56 | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7818 critical, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records | |
| 20:56 | eythian | nobody signs off on my paperwork packaging patches, so the package building gets stale :( |
| 20:57 | cait | eythian: maybe try sending a list to the mailing list? |
| 20:57 | I was not aware so many were waiting | |
| 20:57 | eythian | I should, yeah |
| 20:57 | most of them are just updates to changelogs or the control file or whatever, so more or less trivial | |
| 20:57 | * cait | has also a patch waiting fo rsign-off and 2 for qa |
| 20:57 | jcamins_away | Yeah, I was just thinking I should claim ultimate authority and threaten to push the patches. |
| 20:57 | As is, untested. | |
| 20:57 | oleonard | eythian: Do they all have thorough commit messages with test plans? |
| 20:58 | jcamins_away | Unfortunately, that wouldn't work because everyone would just let me. I think I'm the only one other than eythian who builds packages regularly. |
| 20:58 | libsysguy | okay now its running |
| 20:58 | * libsysguy | drums fingers |
| 20:58 | cait | hm magnuse knows some too |
| 20:58 | eythian | oleonard: they're all pre-test-plan era |
| 20:58 | jcamins_away | cait: good point. |
| 20:58 | cait | there ever was a pre-test-plan? |
| 20:59 | eythian | also, they're not really things that can be tested beyond "do a build and see that it doesn't break" |
| 20:59 | jcamins_away | @later tell magnuse Karma for the person who tests the packaging patches that are waiting! Bug 8806 and bug 9143. |
| 20:59 | huginn | jcamins_away: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:59 | oleonard | eythian: It's better than nothing |
| 20:59 | * wizzyrea | would sign off on them but you wouldn't take it |
| 20:59 | * oleonard | made up too many test plans for others today :P |
| 20:59 | eythian | heh |
| 20:59 | cait | oleonard: my patch has one... if that helps :) |
| 20:59 | eythian | one day I'll revisit them and make more patches and do that :) |
| 20:59 | cait | eythian: and you go and write test plans! :) |
| 21:00 | eythian | well, I'm better off closing the old ones and making new patches containing the things that have changed to date. |
| 21:00 | jcamins_away | eythian: oh, okay. |
| 21:01 | oleonard | cait: Bug 9403? |
| 21:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9403 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Material type icons not showing for XSLT default view in intranet |
| 21:01 | * cait | nods |
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| 21:09 | libsysguy | okay the only EEEK I have now is Data::Paginator |
| 21:10 | jcamins_away | eythian: would it be better to have a separate packaging repo? |
| 21:10 | libsysguy | is that aceptable? |
| 21:10 | eythian | libsysguy: that's fine, but remove it :) |
| 21:10 | I need to blacklist that one | |
| 21:10 | libsysguy | okay cool |
| 21:10 | eythian | (actually, maybe I already have, but no one signed off on it :) |
| 21:10 | libsysguy | I am going to have to squash some commits |
| 21:10 | eythian | jcamins_away: possibly, I'm not sure. |
| 21:11 | even a flag on bz so I can say "this is a trivial patch, it's only for packaging, it can probably go straight in" to bypass the normal process. | |
| 21:12 | jcamins_away | eythian: it seems to me that the package maintainer's patches for packages could be pushed with only one set of eyes. |
| 21:13 | eythian | yeah. I think it'd be worth having a glance-over by the RM, even if just to make sure I'm not committing a file outside of the packaging that I shouldn't be, but a functional test shouldn't be necessary. |
| 21:14 | rangi | there is a packaging category on bugzilla |
| 21:14 | make the bugs under that, and then that can be used for people to know | |
| 21:14 | jcamins_away | Okay, makes sense to me. |
| 21:14 | eythian: in that case, you can go ahead and pass QA on any packaging patches that you approve of. | |
| 21:14 | * cait | is ok with that too |
| 21:14 | jcamins_away | cait: sorry... |
| 21:15 | cait | hm? |
| 21:15 | eythian: but doesn't mean you don't need test plans on your other patches! :P | |
| 21:15 | jcamins_away | I should have asked you before telling eythian to mark the bugs passed qa. |
| 21:15 | cait | it's ok |
| 21:15 | eythian | cait: but...but...awwww :) |
| 21:16 | yeah, that all works for me | |
| 21:16 | cait | jcamins_away: just let me be mean to eythian about his other patches :) |
| 21:16 | jcamins_away | cait: fear not. |
| 21:16 | cait | jcamins_away: excellent. |
| 21:16 | eythian | if I get a chance today I'll bundle up the updates into a patch. |
| 21:16 | jcamins_away | eythian++ |
| 21:17 | drojf | so i wont be testing bug 9143 tomorrow? |
| 21:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9143 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Package related updates for master |
| 21:18 | jcamins_away | @later tell magnuse Never mind, false alarm. As packaging maintainer, eythian's packaging patches don't need testing. |
| 21:18 | huginn | jcamins_away: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:18 | eythian | drojf: it's already passed QA :) |
| 21:18 | drojf | yay \o/ |
| 21:19 | oleonard | See y'all later |
| 21:19 | wizzyrea | later |
| 21:20 | that's what I get for taking sip of tea right at that moment. | |
| 21:22 | libsysguy | so package question…plack::middleware::debug is currently in sid |
| 21:22 | so I can't add it as a dep | |
| 21:22 | but it is really handy to have in the psgi file for debugging | |
| 21:22 | what is the best way to handle that? | |
| 21:22 | eythian | ideally you shouldn't have debug in the committed stuff anyway |
| 21:22 | jcamins_away | Right, that's why you have to check if it exists, then check if DEBUG is set, and, if both are true, load the panel. |
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| 21:23 | jcamins_away | eythian: I disagree. |
| 21:23 | We need the ability to debug our code when developing. | |
| 21:23 | libsysguy | well I won't load the panel, however the use is porblematic |
| 21:23 | jcamins_away | libsysguy: right, that's why you don't use it. |
| 21:23 | Use Module::Load::Conditional. | |
| 21:24 | libsysguy | mind = blown |
| 21:24 | jcamins_away | And if DEBUG is set, try to load it. |
| 21:24 | Stupid MS Access. | |
| 21:24 | Double click and explodes. | |
| 21:25 | eythian | jcamins_away: fair enough, it's not something I'm religious about :) |
| 21:25 | libsysguy | so working as expected? |
| 21:25 | jcamins_away | libsysguy: pretty much. |
| 21:26 | eythian: especially since Plack is really intended for development at this point... a note which libsysguy is going to make sure to put in! | |
| 21:26 | libsysguy | I had it in the installer, but I tool it out since I removed the if else for nginx apache |
| 21:26 | jcamins_away | Add comments in the nginx and Plack config files. |
| 21:26 | Actually, I don't care about the Plack config files. | |
| 21:26 | No one will edit them. | |
| 21:27 | Add comments in the nginx config file. | |
| 21:27 | libsysguy | fine then |
| 21:27 | DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK!!! NOT PROD READY!!! | |
| 21:27 | a sound clip that plays: WARNING WARNING YOU ARE IN DANGER | |
| 21:27 | jcamins_away | I'd prefer "USE" and "PRODUCTION" |
| 21:28 | And a date. | |
| 21:31 | * jcamins_away | calls it a day and heads home. |
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| 21:44 | wizzyrea | lately it's like a party, and once the party animal leaves the party shuts down :) |
| 21:46 | drojf | and eventually i wake up on the couch, still too drunk to get home |
| 21:47 | thanks for drawing on my face with permanent marker. again. | |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | at least it was flowers this time. |
| 21:49 | drojf | instead of ducks ;) |
| 21:52 | wizzyrea | I think you should be grateful that it doesn't rhyme with socks. |
| 21:52 | >.> | |
| 21:52 | drojf | lol |
| 21:53 | eythian | people are prone to drawing piers on his face? |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 21:53 | or smooth bits of hard earth | |
| 21:55 | drojf | »We are aiming to raise $350,000, to fully fund OpenLayers 3.0 in one shot.« for a javascript library? wow |
| 21:57 | jeff | huh. they already tried and failed to raise $20,000 a few months back. |
| 21:58 | drojf | yes i just saw that |
| 21:58 | jeff | where did you see the $350,000 figure? |
| 21:58 | oh, i see | |
| 21:58 | drojf | http://www.openlayers.org/ |
| 21:58 | jeff | on their main page -- yep |
| 21:59 | drojf | :) |
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| 22:15 | rambutan | does the little clock graph indicate they have raised $340,000 already? |
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| 22:18 | rambutan | $334,000 obviously, now that I bother to read it. |
| 22:30 | drojf | oh. i did not see that because i block third party servers by default. they should do fundraising for koha |
| 22:31 | we could get several search rewrites for that kind of money :) | |
| 22:43 | rangi | imagine if they funded koha instead of Kuali OLE |
| 22:43 | theyre what a few million into that now | |
| 22:46 | dcook | I forgot about Kuali. 2.38 million, eh? Indeed. Just imagine... |
| 22:46 | bag | yup |
| 22:46 | rangi | i think in the 13 years we maybe are getting close to 1.5 mill across the world |
| 22:47 | impossible to know | |
| 22:47 | but thats a gut feeling | |
| 22:47 | bag | money's for dev? |
| 22:47 | rangi | yeah |
| 22:47 | wizzyrea | would be more if it hadn't been wasted on a fork |
| 22:47 | bag | didn't waldo do like a million - but that wasn't koha :( sould have been |
| 22:48 | rangi | yeah exactly |
| 22:48 | jcamins_away | Well, it's so much money because Kuali has so many features that work. |
| 22:48 | wizzyrea | yikes? |
| 22:48 | rangi | according to ohloh got 12.4 million of value out |
| 22:48 | wizzyrea: doom 3 | |
| 22:48 | https://www.ohloh.net/p/koha/estimated_cost | |
| 22:48 | jcamins_away | Yikes? |
| 22:50 | * wizzyrea | missed the sarcasm flag there |
| 22:50 | bag | I like the 226 person-years rangi |
| 22:51 | jcamins_away | wizzyrea: ah. Yeah, that was facetious. |
| 22:51 | * dcook | is not a fan of Kuali OLE's trial, but is intrigued by the idea |
| 22:52 | dcook | Doesn't look like it was designed for librarians or archivists at all though |
| 22:53 | rangi | committee |
| 22:53 | wahanui | i heard committee was ready to pick an ILS, and soliciting preliminary membership interest. |
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| 22:54 | rangi | design by committee? |
| 22:54 | wahanui | that's about the best idea i have ever heard |
| 22:54 | bag | oh rangi - just got a text that ginny has started to tuck her knees under her - when doing tummy-time |
| 22:54 | maybe we will have a crawler soon - that's worth 12.4 million IMO | |
| 22:54 | :P | |
| 22:55 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 22:55 | bag | alright wahanui is pretty funny sometimes |
| 22:56 | rangi | heh |
| 22:57 | start putting things up higher :) | |
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| 22:57 | bag | :) she loves my phone - so I usually put that on the ground a few feet from her - she's learned how to roll to get to it |
| 23:00 | rangi | excellent |
| 23:01 | dcook | Whoa...EOS International saw a lot of businesss in 2010 according to Library Journal. |
| 23:01 | bag | libsysguy: did working out - help you clear your mind :) |
| 23:01 | libsysguy | well it definitely helped me forget about my searching woes |
| 23:02 | bag | I think EOS is really good in the Special Libraries area? not totally sure though but I think I heard that |
| 23:02 | dcook | Mmm |
| 23:02 | Their support is pretty bad | |
| 23:02 | Also their database is terrifying | |
| 23:02 | bag | here is a good one for you dcook http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]over.pl?Year=2013 |
| 23:02 | dcook | I was helping a friend try to migrate away from EOS...O_O |
| 23:04 | Whoa... | |
| 23:04 | cool link, bag | |
| 23:05 | Nice to see Bywater topping some lists | |
| 23:05 | bag | :) |
| 23:06 | rangi | i like the 37 |
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| 23:06 | rangi | karma |
| 23:06 | bag | should be 46 :P |
| 23:06 | but things move slowly | |
| 23:08 | dcook | How long has Bywater been around? |
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| 23:08 | * dcook | admits that his memory of Koha timelines isn't the best |
| 23:08 | bag | 4 years in March |
| 23:08 | starting our 5th | |
| 23:10 | dcook | Nice! |
| 23:12 | Intriguing to look at the number of librarians on staff | |
| 23:13 | It seems like Koha has a pretty good mix of developers from library and CS backgrounds | |
| 23:14 | bag | it does - I always hope we could have more librarianhackers :) |
| 23:15 | dcook | Do you have a background in libraries? |
| 23:15 | I just finished up my MLIS in December, and there is certainly a desire for library school students to be librarianhackers | |
| 23:15 | A lot of the studies being done on the subject are terrible though | |
| 23:16 | bag | I finished my MLS in 2007 |
| 23:16 | dcook | They're done by academics and they often say that library schools are doing a pretty good job educating students, when the reality couldn't be further from the truth |
| 23:16 | farther* | |
| 23:16 | Sweet :) | |
| 23:16 | Which school? | |
| 23:16 | I don't know much about US schools except that North Carolina seems to have a strong IT focus | |
| 23:17 | bag | Southern Connectict State University |
| 23:17 | the only one in CT | |
| 23:17 | dcook | So are your IT skills from your masters, bachelors, or private study? |
| 23:17 | * dcook | realizes that he really should put together some sort of more formalized study on the subject |
| 23:17 | bag | IT skills from luck :P |
| 23:18 | dcook | lol |
| 23:18 | How's that? | |
| 23:18 | bag | IT skills are more from work - I worked for a library consortium for awhile and had to support shitty systems |
| 23:19 | what's the saying? baptism by fire (is that correct?) | |
| 23:19 | dcook | Ahhh |
| 23:19 | Sounds about right | |
| 23:19 | Admittedly, that's what got me interested in library systems | |
| 23:19 | I went into libraries because I wanted to be a reference librarian. | |
| 23:20 | I started out doing circ jobs as a student...which led to cataloguing...which led to database admin type jobs...data migration jobs...etc | |
| 23:20 | bag | you know one thing that I miss - is when something isn't going right - or you're annoyed or something - going into the stack and shelving books. That was one of my favorite things to clear the head |
| 23:20 | dcook | Mmm, very true |
| 23:21 | bag | mindless classification following :P |
| 23:21 | dcook | I loved putting on my ipod and just shelving books, especially in the N, P, and H sections of uni libraries |
| 23:21 | bag | ha so true |
| 23:21 | dcook | Well and T...and sometimes B...and occasionally Z, lol |
| 23:22 | Very relaxing and a great way to learn the collection and learn about resources in general | |
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| 23:22 | * jcamins | never liked shelving in N. |
| 23:22 | bag | yo hankbank |
| 23:22 | dcook | Well, it was difficult |
| 23:22 | jcamins | The books were always falling off the shelves. |
| 23:22 | dcook | True |
| 23:22 | hankbank | yo |
| 23:22 | dcook | Or you had the narrow volumes being squished and falling behind the shelves |
| 23:22 | jcamins | So you'd get there and find an entire shelf on the floor. |
| 23:22 | dcook | Ouch. I never quite had it that bad |
| 23:23 | Small drawing/painting department though. The Fine Arts at my school were mostly in theatre and film | |
| 23:23 | I don't miss shelving on low shelves though | |
| 23:23 | Havoc on the knees and back.. | |
| 23:41 | bag | @bug 7131 |
| 23:41 | huginn | bag: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7131 new feature, P3, ---, elliott, Needs Signoff , way to overlay items in in marc import |
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