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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:11 | bag | welcome back then |
| 00:14 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #61: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/61/ |
| 00:14 | Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9432: Plack changes for acqui/addorderiso2409.pl | |
| 00:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9432 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , acqui/addorderiso2409.pl is not Plack-friendly |
| 00:15 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #268 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 00:40 | rangi | hmmmm |
| 00:41 | cait | wasn't it you doing the rda framework? |
| 00:41 | rangi | well spacelibrarian prompted me, but yep http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]-support-in-koha/ |
| 00:41 | jcamins | cait: yeah, I still can't believe rangi wasted his time on it. :P |
| 00:41 | Okay, yes I can. | |
| 00:41 | @quote get 123 | |
| 00:41 | huginn | jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 00:42 | jcamins | ^^ all is explained |
| 00:42 | rangi | :) |
| 00:43 | cait | hm, they shoudl give you credit |
| 00:43 | rangi | salright, i know :) |
| 00:53 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #268: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/268/ |
| 00:53 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 9546 : Updating make manifest tardist | |
| 00:53 | * dcook: Bug 7507 - Audience Subtype limit on OPAC Advanced Search does not have all Audiences | |
| 00:53 | * dcook: Bug 9552 - BIB1 Relation "Greater Than" Attribute Not Mapped Properly in CCL.Properties | |
| 00:53 | * fridolyn.somers: Bug 9493: confirmations for user holds in opac are not translatable | |
| 00:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9546 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , MANIFEST.SKIP breaking regexp when running make manifest tardist |
| 00:53 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7507 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Audience Subtype limit on Advanced Search does not have all Audiences | |
| 00:53 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9552 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , BIB1 Relation "Greater Than" Attribute Not Mapped Properly in CCL.Properties | |
| 00:53 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9493 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , confirmations for user holds in opac are not translatable | |
| 00:53 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #62 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 01:33 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #62: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/62/ |
| 01:33 | * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9421: tools/picture-upload.pl not Plack-compatible | |
| 01:33 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 9546 : Updating make manifest tardist | |
| 01:33 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 01:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9421 major, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , tools/picture-upload.pl not Plack-compatible |
| 01:33 | jenkins_koha | * dcook: Bug 7507 - Audience Subtype limit on OPAC Advanced Search does not have all Audiences |
| 01:33 | * dcook: Bug 9552 - BIB1 Relation "Greater Than" Attribute Not Mapped Properly in CCL.Properties | |
| 01:33 | * fridolyn.somers: Bug 9493: confirmations for user holds in opac are not translatable | |
| 01:33 | * robin: Bug 9143 - changelog and build script updates | |
| 01:34 | * liz: Bug 9499 - --itemscontent= option is undocumented in advanced-notice.pl cronjob + default date should be date_due, not issuedate | |
| 01:34 | * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9451: Quiet warnings and Plackify borrower_stats.pl | |
| 01:34 | * sophie.meynieux: Bug 9320 Pending reserves report should not show waiting items | |
| 01:34 | * Chris Cormack: Follow up fixing the case of SQL | |
| 01:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9546 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , MANIFEST.SKIP breaking regexp when running make manifest tardist |
| 01:34 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7507 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Audience Subtype limit on Advanced Search does not have all Audiences | |
| 01:34 | jenkins_koha | * adrien.saurat: Bug 9329: Wrong message for already expired cards |
| 01:34 | Starting build #269 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
| 01:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9552 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , BIB1 Relation "Greater Than" Attribute Not Mapped Properly in CCL.Properties |
| 01:34 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9493 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , confirmations for user holds in opac are not translatable | |
| 01:34 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9143 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Package related updates for master | |
| 01:34 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9499 trivial, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Stable , --itemscontent= option is undocumented in advanced-notice.pl cronjob + default date should be date_due, not issuedate | |
| 01:34 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9451 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , borrower_stats.pl gives off warnings and is not Plack-compatible | |
| 01:34 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9320 normal, P5 - low, ---, sophie.meynieux, Pushed to Stable , Pending reserves is showing reserves already waiting | |
| 01:34 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9329 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , Wrong message for already expired cards | |
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| 01:49 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #270 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 02:28 | Project Koha_3.8.x build #270: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/270/ | |
| 02:28 | * Liz Rea: Bug 9499 - --itemscontent= option is undocumented in advanced-notice.pl cronjob + default date should be date_due, not issuedate | |
| 02:28 | * Sophie Meynieux: Bug 9320 Pending reserves report should not show waiting items | |
| 02:28 | * Chris Cormack: Follow up fixing the case of SQL | |
| 02:28 | * Adrien Saurat: Bug 9329: Wrong message for already expired cards | |
| 02:28 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9499 trivial, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Stable , --itemscontent= option is undocumented in advanced-notice.pl cronjob + default date should be date_due, not issuedate |
| 02:28 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9320 normal, P5 - low, ---, sophie.meynieux, Pushed to Stable , Pending reserves is showing reserves already waiting | |
| 02:28 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9329 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , Wrong message for already expired cards | |
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| 02:40 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9392' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d9dd051b98dc6d0b1> / Bug 9392: confirmation does not appear for negative notforloan items issues <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e44013307933cf6e9> |
| 02:48 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1044 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 03:55 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1044: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1044/ |
| 03:55 | Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9392: confirmation does not appear for negative notforloan items issues | |
| 03:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9392 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , confirmation does not appear for negative notforloan items issues |
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| 08:47 | rangi | heh |
| 08:47 | way to repost the spam | |
| 09:58 | drojf | heh. now to get someone to complain about reposting the spam, with a full quote. spammer's heaven |
| 10:00 | rangi | heh |
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| 10:30 | vkm | koha 3.8.9 does not display and calculate fines on holidays in patron account? |
| 10:32 | will it count all fines and display on next working day? including fines of hildays as i have stted direct fines in system preference | |
| 10:34 | first time i have seen this so on monday what woll have i do not know today library is closed but from remote staff client i have seen it display fines up to previous day only | |
| 10:35 | so pls help is there any problem in cron job or it is usual during holiday? | |
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| 16:30 | jcamins_away | drojf: I thought of something fun you could do! |
| 16:30 | @query nginx | |
| 16:30 | huginn | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9316 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Add Nginx install options with plack |
| 16:30 | jcamins_away | ^^ doesn't that patch look fun?!? |
| 16:39 | drojf | that looks like amazing amusement |
| 16:40 | how is the weather situation jcamins? | |
| 16:40 | jcamins | Kind of pitiful, really. |
| 16:40 | We don't have more than a foot of snow, and it's bright and sunny. | |
| 16:40 | drojf | i'm sure you're disappointed ;) |
| 16:41 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 16:56 | Heh. I just read an assertion that RDA is intended to make bibliographic records more understandable to computers. | |
| 16:56 | The elimination of abbreviations is the opposite of that. | |
| 16:57 | Now instead of needing to recognize "p." and "S." as meaning "pages," a system that wants to make use of that information needs to know the word for "pages" in *every single European language*. | |
| 16:58 | And that's an optimistic outcome, since that assumes that no research library would ever want to use that data. | |
| 17:00 | drojf | sounds great. professionals at work |
| 17:00 | jcamins | drojf: it was an assertion by a librarian who has already observed that RDA is worse for people. |
| 17:00 | drojf | they have to change stuff. how would they justify the license fees otherwise? |
| 17:00 | :) | |
| 17:01 | jcamins | Yeah... that's why I'm giving up MARC for Lent. |
| 17:02 | drojf | and we could sell different flavours of koha. one for each language and its abbreviations. and a multilanguage version for 5x the price |
| 17:02 | jcamins | drojf: nice! |
| 17:03 | I guess the one problem with my proposed alternative to MARC is that the data still isn't translatable. | |
| 17:05 | drojf | lousy people, speaking different languages |
| 17:05 | we could just agree on one | |
| 17:06 | i'm not sure if it was a great idea to update a vm to wheezy to test that nginx/plack patch | |
| 17:06 | jcamins | I guess it would be easy enough to have multiple languages. |
| 17:06 | drojf | that takes forever |
| 17:07 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 17:07 | Probably not. | |
| 17:07 | drojf | i thought it would be easier than going through the manual starman installation pain |
| 17:08 | jcamins | One of the changes I insisted on was eliminating the starman requirement. |
| 17:08 | If starman's available, it'll use it, otherwise it'll just use Plack. | |
| 17:08 | drojf | yes it won't be usable for normal people on squeeze otherwise |
| 17:09 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 17:09 | drojf | i just got asked whether i would like to keep my old sudoers file or overwrite it. that's a funny question |
| 17:10 | jcamins | That seems... problematic. |
| 17:10 | drojf | indeed |
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| 17:16 | drojf | aaand it's broken |
| 17:16 | jcamins | The patch is, or the system? |
| 17:16 | drojf | the system |
| 17:16 | wahanui | the system is probably running nothing else... |
| 17:16 | jcamins | That's unfortunate. |
| 17:16 | Very unfortunate, even. | |
| 17:20 | drojf | i think it was just a path weirdness. looks like it continues the upgrade |
| 17:20 | i had to enter a mysql password. that is odd. some things are pretty strange | |
| 17:53 | 45 minutes to upgrade, but now it took only a few seconds to install starman ;) | |
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| 17:55 | drojf | fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (C4/Installer/PerlDependencies.pm). |
| 17:55 | Repository lacks necessary blobs to fall back on 3-way merge. | |
| 17:55 | Cannot fall back to three-way merge. | |
| 17:56 | that does not sound right | |
| 18:03 | jcamins | No it doesn't. |
| 18:04 | Do you have an up-to-date copy of master? | |
| 18:04 | drojf | and it is not the upgrade's fault, i get the same on the other copy |
| 18:04 | yes | |
| 18:04 | jcamins | Weird. |
| 18:04 | I get the same thing. | |
| 18:06 | drojf | perldependencies... looks like it has to do with removing starman |
| 18:10 | jcamins | But starman shouldn't have been in there to begin with... |
| 18:10 | I think Elliott forgot to squash some patches in. | |
| 18:12 | drojf | yes that was worded badly. i don't mean it has to do with removing starman technically |
| 18:18 | "Amazon book covers are retrieved with Amazon Product Advertising API, which means that more covers are retrieved (ISBN13)." | |
| 18:18 | what is that supposed to mean? | |
| 18:20 | * jcamins | doesn't try to understand. :P |
| 18:22 | drojf | maybe i am more of a tinfoil hat person, but it sounds like that feature makes whoever runs that cover url caching server get paid by amazon? |
| 18:23 | jcamins | No, I think it's just against the Terms of Service. |
| 18:23 | I mean, yes, that would be true, if we weren't breaking the terms of service. | |
| 18:23 | I think. | |
| 18:23 | But if you violate the Terms of Service, I think you just get your account suspended. | |
| 18:23 | drojf | ok that is a valid alternative lol |
| 18:25 | i still don't see the point of that enhancement. have another outside service to help me use more outside services? | |
| 18:25 | jcamins | Simplify AJAX-y cover fallback. |
| 18:25 | Right now we can't handle it. | |
| 18:28 | drojf | not that i ever looked at that feature, but it does not sound too hard to ask for the cover, check if that is a graphic file at the other end and if not, try the next in the list |
| 18:28 | there might be more magic to it though | |
| 18:29 | jcamins | Yeah... the problem is that we don't request the covers on the server. |
| 18:29 | And we have four different types of javascript for loading covers. | |
| 18:29 | drojf | ok that sounds like less fun |
| 18:29 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 18:36 | Hehe. | |
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| 18:40 | user00 | @seen jcamins |
| 18:40 | huginn | user00: jcamins was last seen in #koha 3 minutes and 50 seconds ago: <jcamins> Hehe. |
| 18:40 | drojf | hehe |
| 18:41 | rambutan | whatup? |
| 18:42 | drojf | not much. quiet weekend business |
| 18:47 | jcamins | rambutan: the blizzard was very anti-climactic. |
| 18:48 | rambutan | yea, I thought I'd check in with you and see if you had electricity |
| 18:49 | jcamins | Yup. We got less than a foot of snow, and it's bright and sunny out now. |
| 18:49 | rambutan | seems we always have to check up on the NZ people after earthquakes and the NE US people after snowstorms. |
| 18:53 | ltr... | |
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| 20:45 | drojf | fun fact: you could tag brothels in openstreetmap |
| 20:45 | apparently there are none in berlin | |
| 20:45 | or brothel customers are not openstreetmappers | |
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| 23:44 | spiker | hi |
| 23:45 | I'm trying to help a no-profit here where I live that has an old installation of koha (3.00, put up by a volunteer years ago that has now left) | |
| 23:45 | I've got them up on a new server (ubuntu LTS 12.04) and got koha running from packages | |
| 23:45 | what I'm trying to figure out now is what to do with the data | |
| 23:45 | jcamins | spiker: the channel's pretty quiet now, and I'm working on other things, but if I can help, I will. :) |
| 23:46 | Oh, you did all the parts that require lots of explanations already. | |
| 23:46 | Export the MySQL database from the old 3.0 server. | |
| 23:46 | Copy it to the new server. | |
| 23:46 | spiker | I have a dump from the old db but I'm expecting things to have changed to a degree and by the look of things it won;t cleanly import, will it? |
| 23:46 | jcamins | Load that data into the 3.10 (or 3.8?) DB. |
| 23:46 | spiker | I've taken a look at the schema on the new db and it seems different |
| 23:46 | I'm on 3.10 | |
| 23:47 | jcamins | Run: `sudo koha-upgrade-schema [instancename] && sudo koha-upgrade-to-3.4 [instancename]` |
| 23:47 | You want to import the 3.0 database into a _completely_ empty database. | |
| 23:47 | Then those two commands will take care of all the schema changes. | |
| 23:47 | spiker | when you say completely you mean without even doing the web install part? |
| 23:48 | jcamins | Right. |
| 23:48 | spiker | that seems to create some tables |
| 23:48 | ah, ok | |
| 23:48 | then I guess I'll nuke the db | |
| 23:48 | thanks, trying that | |
| 23:48 | jcamins | And those two commands will take a *long* time. |
| 23:48 | Probably overnight. | |
| 23:48 | spiker | hurray for migration commands \o/ |
| 23:49 | jcamins | You'll get a bunch of error messages, which are worth saving for review, but nothing to worry about. |
| 23:49 | spiker | ok, cool, I'll get it going in a screen and check in again later |
| 23:49 | thanks for your help, appreciate it | |
| 23:49 | jcamins | You're welcome. |
| 23:49 | I love it when people come with easy questions. | |
| 23:49 | spiker | heh |
| 23:50 | might be worth to edit http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ubuntu_-_packages to point out that those migrations steps will work in a case like this | |
| 23:51 | when I read the section http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]rade_Instructions it seems to suggest it would only apply to packaged based installations | |
| 23:51 | and it misses the comment you made about having a completely empty db | |
| 23:51 | I'll see if I can register and maybe add a few comments once I've got this to work | |
| 23:51 | thanks again | |
| 23:52 | jcamins | Right, when upgrading a package install, you probably won't be going through the entire installation process because there's a restore script. |
| 23:52 | spiker | I see |
| 23:52 | jcamins | We definitely need to note that you can upgrade from any type of Koha installation. |
| 23:53 | spiker | maybe I'll just put up a little blog post for anybody that's in my same situation, going from 3.00 to 3.10 felt like it was gonna be a huge deal as a lot seemed to have changed (I'm completely new to koha which obviously doesn't help :) ) |
| 23:53 | just trying to help the folks here as I get some spare time over the weekend | |
| 23:54 | jcamins | Just make sure you point to the wiki as the canonical source of information, so if things change in a few years, people don't try and follow your blog post to disastrous results. :) |
| 23:54 | What type of non-profit is it? | |
| 23:55 | spiker | and btw, I'll extend a thank you from them, they've been using koha for a long time and their 2 schools run on it, without it'd been hard I guess (I just came around recently) |
| 23:55 | buddhist association, they have 2 small schools for children and a library (small stuff tho) | |
| 23:55 | in CA | |
| 23:55 | jcamins | Awesome! |
| 23:55 | wahanui | That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, jcamins |
| 23:55 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 23:56 | spiker | will make sure to add the pointer, thanks for the remainder |
| 23:56 | jcamins | eythian: I like wahanui's response to "Awesome"... well done. |
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