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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:04 | eythian | bag: postal or email? |
| 00:05 | bag | postal |
| 00:05 | eythian | bag: postal: work or home? |
| 00:05 | bag | eythian: I think I have too many email addresses for him |
| 00:05 | home | |
| 00:05 | eythian | Ah, I don't think I have his home address sorry |
| 00:06 | bag | no worries :P |
| 00:07 | kathryn | hi bag I have it, won't be a min :) |
| 00:07 | bag | sweet |
| 00:07 | kathryn | the lurker waiting for her big moment :) |
| 00:07 | bag | I'm going to send him a really big pink dinosaur! |
| 00:07 | just kidding | |
| 00:07 | but that would be pretty sweet | |
| 00:07 | kathryn | yeah now he'll be disappointed with what you send |
| 00:07 | bag | I hope not! |
| 00:08 | kathryn | I'm sure not! |
| 00:08 | (we won't tell him about the dinosaur) | |
| 00:08 | bag | ah he'll read about it |
| 00:24 | gmcharlt | quick, sanitize the logs! |
| 00:27 | jcamins_away | I'll just ask rang... oh. |
| 00:40 | * wizzyrea | giggles |
| 00:40 | bag | rango is the dog that lives next door! rangi is much more ;) |
| 00:42 | jcamins_away | He's going to come back from being technology-free just to tell us to stop making his phone beep. |
| 00:43 | bag | heh |
| 00:45 | wizzyrea | I thought rango was a terrible movie with johnny depp. |
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| 01:17 | jcamins_away | Guess I should push things. |
| 01:21 | jcamins | You know, it's kind of a miracle that deleted* works at all. |
| 01:21 | As far as I can tell, moving anything to deleted* results in an SQL error. | |
| 01:23 | wizzyrea | you mean deleteditems or deletedborrowers? |
| 01:23 | jcamins | deletedbiblio, deletedbiblioitems, deletedborrowers, and oldreserves. |
| 01:23 | wizzyrea | oic |
| 01:26 | jcamins | deleteditems seems to work. |
| 01:39 | Ohh. | |
| 01:39 | Just figured out why 9331 didn't work. | |
| 01:40 | Apparently setting the language to en when en-GB exists has to be done on every page. | |
| 01:41 | wizzyrea | bug 9331 |
| 01:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9331 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Untranslatable strings in ajax.js |
| 01:42 | jcamins | No, not that one. |
| 01:42 | The one from dpavlin. | |
| 01:43 | I have a problem. | |
| 01:43 | I just disabled en-GB in the sysprefs, and it will not go away. | |
| 01:43 | wizzyrea | O.o |
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| 01:51 | eythian | jcamins: cookie overriding it? |
| 01:52 | jcamins | eythian: but I'm viewing regular en now. |
| 01:53 | I hate Windows. | |
| 01:53 | windows-- | |
| 01:55 | And, wait, how much memory is Chrome using? | |
| 01:55 | eythian | chrome tends to be a bloated monster of a browser. |
| 01:56 | jcamins | eythian: I switched to Chrome because it used less RAM than Firefox. |
| 01:56 | Time to switch back? | |
| 01:56 | eythian | for a while earlier this year I was running them both. after a day or two chrome with just the 2 or 3 tabs I needed was larger than firefox with 30-40. |
| 01:57 | * wizzyrea | has been in firefox since being at Catalyst, chrome has been acting funny |
| 01:58 | jcamins | And then there is IE... |
| 01:58 | ie-- | |
| 01:58 | ie-- | |
| 01:58 | ie-- | |
| 01:58 | ie-- | |
| 01:58 | eythian | chrome is also not free software. |
| 01:58 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 01:58 | jcamins | ie-- |
| 01:58 | Yeah, but I don't have particularly strong ideological feelings about that. | |
| 01:58 | eythian | wahanui: jcamins also doesn't like Ireland. |
| 01:58 | wahanui | eythian: sorry... |
| 01:59 | jcamins | ... what? |
| 01:59 | eythian | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ie |
| 01:59 | jcamins | lol |
| 02:02 | FF is using 344MB of RAM with one tab. | |
| 02:03 | wizzyrea | O/o |
| 02:03 | jcamins | ... and Chrome is going into conniptions. |
| 02:03 | I hate Windows. | |
| 02:04 | I'm going to go ahead and say this is all Windows' fault. | |
| 02:04 | windows-- | |
| 02:13 | wizzyrea | <mutter> acquisitions <mutter> |
| 02:14 | * wizzyrea | can't blame windows for acquisitions. |
| 02:14 | jcamins | TRue. |
| 02:14 | *True | |
| 02:14 | wizzyrea | I might like to though. |
| 02:14 | jcamins | But I can blame Windows for the last... |
| 02:14 | 20 minutes of suffering. | |
| 02:14 | wizzyrea | REBOOT |
| 02:14 | it fixes everything. | |
| 02:15 | jcamins | Nah, my preferred solution is shutting it down. |
| 02:15 | cjh_ | heh |
| 02:16 | jcamins | Three tabs and FF is using 417MB/RAM. |
| 02:16 | I'll try it for a while. | |
| 02:18 | eythian | It usually gets big after a while, but most releases improve things a bit. |
| 02:18 | Mind you, I treat it badly, with many tabs and addons | |
| 02:18 | jcamins | 417MB of RAM for just three tabs seems pretty bad. |
| 02:19 | eythian | not really |
| 02:20 | comparing it to 344MB with one, it's not bad at all really | |
| 02:20 | jcamins | Ugh... this may be a dealbreaker. |
| 02:20 | It does not load my SSL certificates. | |
| 02:20 | eythian | most of it will probably be shared libraries and suck like |
| 02:35 | * jcamins | removes plugins. |
| 02:41 | wizzyrea | bug 9076 |
| 02:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9076 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Add ability to delete borrowers by expiration date and category code to cleanborrowers.pl |
| 02:44 | eythian | so our Drupal people are doing a single-sign-on between Koha and Drupal, using SIP2. It was logging people in no matter what password they entered. Turns out that the drupal module wasn't checking the CQ "correct password" field return in SIP. |
| 02:44 | whoever wrote that module wasn't paying quite enough attention perhaps. | |
| 02:44 | jcamins | lol |
| 02:45 | wizzyrea | oh. my. |
| 02:46 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1003 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 02:46 | wizzyrea | i am actually quite excited about 9076 |
| 02:46 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9335' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]caf091c8b772211f3> / Bug 9335 - humanMsg popups don't disapear in webkit browsers <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c1d2979ac937af81f> / Merge branch 'bug_9141' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…];a=commitdiff;h=8 |
| 02:53 | jcamins | Where do accessibility-related bugs go? |
| 02:54 | cjh_ | ohhh what is it? |
| 02:54 | wahanui | it is misc/bin/updatedb.pl |
| 02:54 | jcamins | wahanui: forget it |
| 02:54 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot it |
| 02:54 | jcamins | I'm about to push 9076. |
| 02:54 | wizzyrea | it is <reply> |
| 02:54 | it? | |
| 02:54 | what is it? | |
| 02:54 | jcamins | However, that bug pushes the layout from "bad" to "really bad." |
| 02:54 | cjh_ | :( |
| 02:55 | negative accesibility :o | |
| 02:55 | wizzyrea | I think you mean usability |
| 02:55 | :P | |
| 02:55 | jcamins | wizzyrea: no, for someone who is not relying on what the page _says_ it's okay. |
| 02:55 | There are also serious usability issues. | |
| 02:55 | wizzyrea | you should try using the serials email notification system. |
| 02:56 | :P | |
| 02:56 | oh mah lerd. | |
| 02:56 | jcamins | But right now it reads "Delete borrowers who have not borrowed since ____ whose expiration date is before ____ whose patron category is any." |
| 02:56 | And then runs right through anonymize history. | |
| 02:57 | There should be a frame or something. | |
| 02:58 | wizzyrea | one other thing that needs to be done |
| 02:58 | that needs to be changed to "batch patron deletion | |
| 02:58 | on the tools page. | |
| 02:58 | jcamins | However, now that you mention it, I think I'll start by reporting a bug that the text needs to be changed because it sounds weird. |
| 02:58 | wizzyrea | I'll do that. |
| 02:58 | I think it is ok to push though. | |
| 02:58 | we can refine it | |
| 02:58 | and we will. | |
| 02:58 | jcamins | Yeah, I am going to. |
| 02:58 | And I'll be expecting something from the Academy students. :P | |
| 02:58 | cjh_ | heh |
| 02:58 | wizzyrea | hehe we'll see. |
| 02:59 | we're looking mostly in circ. | |
| 02:59 | cjh_ | expect away... |
| 02:59 | wizzyrea | there are some fairly dire things in there. |
| 02:59 | jcamins | And now cleanborrowers. :P |
| 02:59 | * cjh_ | is really excited for the academy |
| 02:59 | jcamins | Be glad you didn't request patches that touched all the tools! :P |
| 02:59 | wizzyrea | as in, a visually impaired person can't tell if an item issued successfully or not (easily) |
| 03:00 | cjh_ | worst case they just have to memorise the borrowers history before and after and then compare them >.> |
| 03:00 | or scour the page for the message (if there is one) | |
| 03:02 | wizzyrea | oh boy, ok yea I see what you mean |
| 03:05 | jcamins | Told ya. |
| 03:05 | When I say "this layout troubles me," it has to be pretty dire. | |
| 03:06 | wizzyrea | it's been bad for a long time. |
| 03:06 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9076' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]049b0909b285b0767> / Bug 9076 - QA Followup - Rename GetBorrowersWhoHaveNotBorrowedSince to GetBorrowersTo... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6f3c662e96bfb1659> / Bug 9076: Followup: FIX ergonomic issues <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/ |
| 03:06 | jcamins | Yeah, but the addition of the two extra lines makes it hard to understand what the controls have to do with. |
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| 03:51 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1003: SUCCESS in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1003/ |
| 03:51 | * oleonard: Bug 9331 - Untranslatable strings in ajax.js | |
| 03:51 | * dpavlin: Bug 9346 - acqui/neworderempty.pl ignores exchange rates and destroys user data on page load | |
| 03:51 | * oleonard: Bug 9141 - Untranslatable strings on "pay an amount..." page | |
| 03:51 | * martin.renvoize: Bug 9335 - humanMsg popups don't disapear in webkit browsers | |
| 03:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9331 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Untranslatable strings in ajax.js |
| 03:51 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9346 critical, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , acqui/neworderempty.pl ignores exchange rates and destroys user data on page load | |
| 03:51 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9141 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Untranslatable strings on "pay an amount..." page | |
| 03:51 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9335 minor, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to Master , Message Log Popups don't disappear? | |
| 03:52 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1004 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 03:53 | * jcamins | figures out how to query for an SRV record using Perl. |
| 03:55 | wizzyrea | all right, and with that done... |
| 03:55 | i bid you good evening. | |
| 03:56 | jcamins | Good night. |
| 03:56 | wahanui | I watch you sleep. |
| 03:58 | eythian | wahanui: wahanui is also a little bit creepy. |
| 03:58 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 03:58 | wizzyrea | wahanui? |
| 03:58 | wahanui | yes, wizzyrea? |
| 04:01 | druthb | wahanui: botsnack cookie |
| 04:01 | wahanui | thanks druthb :) |
| 04:03 | jcamins | eythian: have you left yet? |
| 04:03 | eythian | jcamins: not quite |
| 04:03 | jcamins | Good. |
| 04:04 | Quick question for you about AGPL and Debian packaging: | |
| 04:04 | eythian | hrm OK |
| 04:04 | jcamins | If I were to write a script that used C4 but was entirely optional and in no way part of core Koha functionality, and I wanted that script licensed AGPL, could it be included in the Debian package? |
| 04:05 | eythian | I'm fairly sure it could, yes. |
| 04:05 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 04:05 | That was my understanding as well. | |
| 04:06 | eythian | It might be worth looking at the FSF pages on such things to be sure though |
| 04:06 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 04:06 | And if I find it too confusing, I'll fall back to GPLv3. | |
| 04:06 | (+) | |
| 04:06 | But your understanding is generally correct, so I figured I'd ask. :) | |
| 04:10 | eythian | > Both the ordinary GNU GPL, version 3, and the GNU Affero GPL have text allowing you to link together modules under these two licenses in one program. |
| 04:10 | so yes | |
| 04:10 | jcamins | Yay! |
| 04:10 | Thanks. | |
| 04:57 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1004: SUCCESS in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1004/ |
| 04:57 | * kyle: Bug 9076 - Add ability to delete borrowers by expiration date and category code to cleanborrowers.pl | |
| 04:57 | * kyle: Bug 9076 - Followup - Perltidy cleanborrowers.pl | |
| 04:57 | * jonathan.druart: Bug 9076: Followup: FIX ergonomic issues | |
| 04:57 | * kyle: Bug 9076 - QA Followup - Rename GetBorrowersWhoHaveNotBorrowedSince to GetBorrowersToExpunge | |
| 04:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9076 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add ability to delete borrowers by expiration date and category code to cleanborrowers.pl |
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| 06:34 | magnuse | success \o/ |
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| 07:37 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:59 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 09:03 | gerundio | good morning |
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| 09:08 | kf | good morning #koha |
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| 09:23 | magnuse | kia ora! |
| 09:23 | kf | hi magnuse :) |
| 09:25 | magnuse | hiya kf and #koha |
| 09:28 | Barrc1 | Would anyone know how I could manage to create unique text on the OPAC when using multiple OPAC interfaces? I can configure Apache to use unique stylesheets and search limits but I can't see where I might enable text! |
| 09:30 | kf | Barrc1: I think that's currently not supported, what you coudl do is use the html text blocks and work with css and display:none |
| 09:30 | so put in your css which text block to display and hide the others | |
| 09:31 | Barrc1 | kf: thanks for that - I was starting to think I was missing something silly! Good to know its not supported yet, but thanks for the work around. |
| 09:32 | kf | I think so far there is only the parameters that are provided as examples (afaik) |
| 09:32 | and I woudl solve it that way | |
| 09:37 | magnuse | kf++ |
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| 10:05 | gerundio | is anyone here familiar with the EU cookie controle law and how to implement the notices in Koha? |
| 10:06 | kf | gerundio: hm sorry no - which law are you referring to? |
| 10:07 | gerundio | http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_orga[…]uide/cookies.aspx |
| 10:07 | I still wasn't able to find THE official website for it I guess | |
| 10:07 | I'm navigating in troubled waters so far | |
| 10:08 | kf | slef might know, but according to twitter he might not be around today |
| 10:17 | gerundio | ok kf, thanks for the input |
| 10:17 | kf | gerundio: if you have any additional information about it I would be interested |
| 10:17 | data privacy is an important topic for us | |
| 10:18 | gerundio: I remembered something - bug 8155 | |
| 10:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8155 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , Comply with UK Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002 |
| 10:18 | gerundio | btw, FYI, here's a PDF with the current status of the implementation of the law in the various countries http://www.ffw.com/pdf/cookie-[…]racking-table.pdf |
| 10:18 | kf | cool thx |
| 10:19 | gerundio | nice to know this topic has been discussed and it's deserving attention from the dev team :) |
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| 10:20 | Joubu | hello #koha |
| 10:20 | kf | hi Joubu |
| 10:20 | Joubu | hi kf |
| 10:20 | kf | Joubu: I have a distance study deadline this week I have to meet... hope to get back to QA before the weekend |
| 10:21 | gerundio: Germany: Therefore, the process of implementing | |
| 10:21 | Article 5(3) into the German Telecommunications Act and the Teleservices Act is currently delayed. | |
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| 10:21 | kf | and: If this is the case, the legal requirement will probably be consent qualified by an explicit reference to the ability to rely on browser settings. |
| 10:22 | gerundio: guess we should be ok then, hm. | |
| 10:22 | Joubu | kf: ok. I don't know if I will manage to qa for the next days too :) |
| 10:22 | kf | long list again *sigh* :) |
| 10:23 | and irc meeting tomorrow | |
| 10:23 | emc | Hi any body help me, we installed 3.8.7 and restore database which was from 3.0.0 |
| 10:23 | opac search not working | |
| 10:23 | I hope this is the right IRC | |
| 10:23 | kf | does it not work at all or do you have a specific problem? |
| 10:23 | you are in the #koha irc | |
| 10:24 | emc | not at all working |
| 10:24 | kf | have you made your your zebrasrv is running? |
| 10:24 | did you use zebra before? | |
| 10:25 | emc | yes we check before restoring the database zebra was working |
| 10:25 | but not checked after database restore | |
| 10:25 | kf | is zebrasrv still running? did you run a reindex? |
| 10:25 | does a reindex with -v give you any errors? | |
| 10:25 | emc | nop |
| 10:25 | kf | :) |
| 10:25 | gerundio | emc, do you have the zebra index cronjob up and running? |
| 10:25 | kf | the indexes are not in the database, so you have to do a complete reindex after restoring the database |
| 10:26 | emc | ok let me do that |
| 10:27 | gerundio | zebra? |
| 10:27 | wahanui | zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses |
| 10:27 | gerundio | index? |
| 10:27 | wahanui | i think index is good |
| 10:28 | kf | emc: also, as you have migrated from before 3.4 - there is a script you have to run to make sure the item information structure is changed. Item information is no longer stored with the record in the database, there is a note to do that in one of the release notes |
| 10:28 | gerundio | kf, regarding the cookies topic, I see Germany is yet to implement the directive, but lots of other EU countries have it already in place |
| 10:28 | emc | I am checking |
| 10:28 | kf | gerundio: yes, but it seems what you have to do varies :( |
| 10:28 | gerundio | Portugal is still on the works too |
| 10:28 | kf | I think a strict solution with prefs maybe |
| 10:29 | gerundio | I'm anticipating this a little bit, as I already heard something about fines even though the law isn't still here and no dates have been made public |
| 10:30 | emc | indexing is going on |
| 10:30 | kf | maybe you could use some of the notes ont he bug I showed you? I haven't taken a closer look yet |
| 10:30 | working on soemthing else rightnow | |
| 10:33 | remove_items_from_bibs? | |
| 10:35 | emc | I got few errors updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate column name 'timeout' at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 5036. |
| 10:35 | sorry wrong error | |
| 10:35 | kf | duplicate should not be bad normally |
| 10:35 | emc | sorry it is not an error |
| 10:36 | it was wrong copy and paste | |
| 10:36 | kf | sorry, I can't seem to find the documentation about the script you have to run :( |
| 10:36 | it's named something like remove_items_from_bibs | |
| 10:38 | emc | done |
| 10:39 | zebra indexing work now searching is working | |
| 10:39 | :) | |
| 10:39 | Thanks a lot guys | |
| 10:39 | magnuse | misc/maintenance/remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl |
| 10:39 | kf | thx magnuse |
| 10:40 | emc: that is important too if yu haven't run it yet :) | |
| 10:40 | magnuse++ | |
| 10:40 | emc | Koha is wonderful and support too :) |
| 10:47 | kf | 3.0.0 to 3.8 - quite a jump! |
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| 10:54 | francharb | hello |
| 10:55 | kf | hi francharb :) |
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| 11:03 | vfernandes | hello :) |
| 11:04 | it's possible to use tt in javascript? if's, loops, etc? | |
| 11:06 | kf | tt is procesed server side |
| 11:06 | javascript client side | |
| 11:06 | so you can't use tt in javascript | |
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| 11:09 | vfernandes | ok :) |
| 11:11 | i wanted to acess one variable with javascript | |
| 11:11 | kf | better try to get the information from the html souce codeof that page |
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| 11:31 | kf | hey! |
| 11:31 | drojf: | |
| 11:31 | drojf | happy new year #koha :) |
| 11:31 | kf | I was a bout to send a search team :) |
| 11:31 | drojf | hi kf :) |
| 11:32 | kf | happy new year |
| 11:32 | drojf | to you too .9 |
| 11:32 | :) | |
| 11:42 | magnuse | Viktor reports that the 3.10 opac is now 100% translated to swedish, by professional translators :-) |
| 11:42 | he'll have a look and then upload it to translate.koha-community.org | |
| 11:43 | is any other languages using paid translators like that? | |
| 11:43 | kf | hm not that I am awareof |
| 11:43 | I hope the professional translators know library terms :) | |
| 11:43 | that#s the main problem I have seen | |
| 11:43 | magnuse | yeah... |
| 11:44 | kf | xslt-- |
| 11:44 | *grump* | |
| 11:45 | magnuse | he's paying for translation of the staff client too - lucky swedes :-) |
| 11:47 | vfernandes | it's possible to block renewals when a hold exist? |
| 11:48 | kf | that shoudl always block a reneawl |
| 11:51 | xslt++ I take it back | |
| 11:53 | drojf | so you are friends again? :) |
| 11:53 | kf | maybe |
| 11:53 | if it behaves for repeatable subfields. | |
| 11:59 | oh finally. | |
| 11:59 | Patent information: DE 10 2006 041 738 A1, 06.03.2008, offengelegt; DE 10 2006 041 738 A1, 06.03.2008, offengelegt | |
| 11:59 | drojf | magnuse: do you know how many hours the translation took? and was it fromn scratch or has there been a swedish translation before? |
| 12:00 | kf: congratulations on your xslt speaking in tongues ;) | |
| 12:00 | kf | drojf: you better be careful - I am still witing for a follow-up from you to show cast in intranet ;) |
| 12:01 | drojf | annoying QAM is annoying :P |
| 12:02 | kf | surprise! |
| 12:02 | oh and I changed your class - bug 9356 *confess* | |
| 12:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9356 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Show Dissertation note (MARC21 502) in XSLT |
| 12:03 | kf | because you copied it and it should have it's own class to make it possible to hide it or whatever |
| 12:03 | drojf | wrong bug? |
| 12:03 | kf | no, bad QAM smuggled a line into her own patch |
| 12:04 | I wanted to undo it but forgot | |
| 12:05 | * kf | hides from the RM |
| 12:07 | drojf | ah, thr RM. i wanted something from that person |
| 12:08 | i wonder what that was | |
| 12:08 | ah | |
| 12:09 | @later tell jcamins FYI DDG has opened nomination for FOSS 2012 donations https://duck.co/topic/foss-201[…]ation-nominations | |
| 12:09 | huginn | drojf: The operation succeeded. |
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| 12:18 | kf | arg. |
| 12:18 | time on the vm was off. | |
| 12:19 | jcamins | drojf: thanks. |
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| 12:20 | kf | good morning oh wonderful RM :) |
| 12:24 | bye all bbl. | |
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| 12:28 | jcamins | You know what the best part about standard proliferation is? |
| 12:28 | The way when you decide to use a standard you discover that it is no longer available online. | |
| 12:29 | * jcamins | grouses. |
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| 12:46 | slef | jcamins: isn't that usually to do with standards not being FOSS, rather than proliferation? |
| 12:47 | jcamins: standards publisher viewing it as a revenue stream, protectionist copyright licensing supposedly to preserve integrity and so on. (Hello? Sign the approved versions with digital signatures, dumbo!) | |
| 12:47 | afternoon btw | |
| 12:51 | jcamins | slef: no, in his case it's an "open" standard that no one adopted so it's just dead. |
| 12:51 | jangle - bug 4024 | |
| 12:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4024 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, oleonard, CLOSED FIXED, Search history template problems |
| 12:51 | jcamins | Ummm... |
| 12:51 | bug 4204 | |
| 12:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4204 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Add support for Jangle |
| 13:00 | drojf | i assume bug 4888 is dead? |
| 13:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4888 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, salva, Patch doesn't apply , pre-set of field indicators value |
| 13:00 | jcamins | drojf: pretty much, unfortunately. |
| 13:05 | drojf | if someone took the time to rebase it, would it go in master or re-raise the QA questions that have been brought up? i'm not sure if that was accepted after the author explained why he did what he did |
| 13:08 | jcamins | I don't think there's a problem with the additional marc_indicators_* tables. |
| 13:10 | drojf | i'm not sure if the patch really does what my people want (set a default indicator). if it does there may be a chance i can work on a rebase, will ask next week |
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| 13:22 | jcamins | gmcharlt: I find myself needing to change the namespace identifier that MARC::File::XML uses. Any thoughts on how I ought to do that? |
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| 13:42 | slef | jcamins: I thought indexdata and others like Jangle. Did http://web.archive.org capture it? |
| 13:43 | jcamins | slef: they seem to have missed the actual specification text. |
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| 13:43 | jcamins | Useful, eh? |
| 13:48 | magnuse | if the spec is nowhere to be found i vote for closing 4204... |
| 13:49 | jcamins | magnuse: yeah, I was leaning in that direction too. |
| 13:50 | * Dyrcona | mostly finds references to SIRSIDynix products when googling "jangle connector." |
| 13:50 | jcamins | Dyrcona: ditto. |
| 13:51 | Dyrcona | Do you have a Finnish translation, yet? |
| 13:51 | jcamins | ISO wrote a standard for ILL which is -- I kid you not -- a list of data elements that might be relevant if someone wanted to do ILL. |
| 13:51 | Dyrcona | jcamins: I am not surprised. Most of the standards I've seen for ILL aren't really standards. |
| 13:52 | * Dyrcona | is giving NCIP the hairy eyeball. |
| 13:53 | Dyrcona | Guess you already know that the Google code project for jangle is a 404. |
| 13:53 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 13:53 | * jcamins | has to say that FulfILLment seems to have backed the wrong horse on that one. |
| 13:54 | Dyrcona | I'm kind of bummed, now. Jangle was on that list of things that I wanted to learn/to do when time permits. |
| 13:54 | jcamins: Yep. | |
| 13:54 | jcamins | Dyrcona: don't worry. |
| 13:54 | I'll write a new standard to replace it. | |
| 13:54 | Bwahahaha! | |
| 13:54 | And I shall do it in the tradition of ISO. | |
| 13:55 | Summary: This standard tells everyone how to exchange data about ILL without ever giving any useful information. To read more, please insert fifty million dollar coin. | |
| 13:56 | Dyrcona | Actually, I was thinking that we (Evergreen & Koha communities) ought to collaborate on a web api for ILL so that we can work together better. |
| 13:56 | jcamins | Dyrcona: I vote for something based on ILS-DI. |
| 13:56 | Dyrcona | jcamins: Got change for a trillion? |
| 13:56 | oleonard | http://fulfillment-ill.org/ ? |
| 13:56 | jcamins | Dyrcona: exact change only, sorry. |
| 13:57 | oleonard: yeah, that's the one. | |
| 14:00 | Dyrcona | Well, I was thinking more along the lines of the two communities proposing yet another standard for ILS interoperation. |
| 14:00 | jcamins | Dyrcona: 'cause there aren't enough already? :P |
| 14:01 | Dyrcona | Well, none that actually work. :) |
| 14:01 | jcamins | I think ILS-DI could be useful, if it supported authentication. |
| 14:03 | * Dyrcona | thinks it would be useful if it weren't just a tarted up NCIP 2.0. |
| 14:03 | * magnuse | is in favour of any ideas that will add ill functionality to koha |
| 14:04 | * jcamins | wants distributed ILL, which is... rather untraditional. |
| 14:04 | magnuse | hm, i wonder if you would call the norwegian ill system distributed |
| 14:05 | jcamins | magnuse: how is it implemented? |
| 14:05 | magnuse | any library can order ill stuff from any other library (more or less), through their opac |
| 14:05 | jcamins | But how does the request get to the other library? |
| 14:06 | magnuse | you go to their opac and enter the request there - after logging in with your national ill identitity |
| 14:07 | jcamins | So it's a person doing the ILL request? |
| 14:07 | magnuse | yup |
| 14:07 | jcamins | That is not quite what I have in mind. |
| 14:07 | magnuse | http://www.biblev.no/nill/ - in norwegian, of course |
| 14:07 | ah, not what you were thinking about then :-) | |
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| 14:13 | Dyrcona | I'd like it seamless to the patron. |
| 14:13 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 14:14 | Dyrcona | My library doesn't have it? I can still place a request that will get filled somewhere, somewhen. |
| 14:15 | jcamins | Also, peer-to-peer, so that a couple of libraries in Nigeria (for example) could do an ad hoc ILL network without needing to spend money on another server. |
| 14:15 | Dyrcona | Yep. |
| 14:15 | That's why a new protocol standard is needed. | |
| 14:15 | jcamins | I have written a cron job for building a list of ILL peers. |
| 14:15 | And that is as far as I have gotten. | |
| 14:15 | magnuse | jcamins++ |
| 14:16 | sounds like we could try and do something around ill | |
| 14:16 | find out who is interested | |
| 14:16 | who has money or time to burn | |
| 14:16 | etc | |
| 14:16 | jcamins | Who thinks jcamins is nuts. |
| 14:16 | * jcamins | watches as everyone in the room raises their hand. |
| 14:16 | * Dyrcona | didn't raise his hand, but he's nuts, too. :) |
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| 14:17 | magnuse | kia ora NateC |
| 14:17 | * magnuse | didn't raise his hand either |
| 14:17 | NateC | hiya magnuse! |
| 14:18 | * Dyrcona | needs to learn Maori. |
| 14:18 | magnuse | Dyrcona: "kia ora" will get you far - usage is similar to that of "hello" |
| 14:19 | * Dyrcona | has dreams of moving to New Zealand, actually. |
| 14:19 | NateC | samezies |
| 14:19 | magnuse | Dyrcona: who hasn't? :-) |
| 14:21 | Dyrcona | I'd like a smallish vineyard in Marlborough or around Tasman. |
| 14:21 | magnuse | :-) |
| 14:21 | i'd like a desk next to rangi's :-) | |
| 14:22 | jcamins | magnuse: how do Norwegian libraries get their national ILL credentials? |
| 14:22 | And how do those credentials end up in everyone else's catalogs? | |
| 14:25 | magnuse | jcamins: it's doled out by the national library |
| 14:26 | the data is available as xml - one big file with regular updates or through a kind of web service | |
| 14:26 | jcamins | So you ingest it into Koha? |
| 14:27 | magnuse | so you can have all libraries in norway loaded just-in-case, or look it up just-in-time |
| 14:27 | Dyrcona | Here in Massachusetts, USA, you are supposed to be able to use your library card at any library in the state. |
| 14:27 | magnuse | yeah, i think most systems ingest it, just-in-case |
| 14:27 | Dyrcona: same for the whole of norway, more or less :-) | |
| 14:27 | Dyrcona | Entry is all done manually when you show up physically. |
| 14:32 | oleonard | You're not a real hardcore cataloger unless you catalog with hide_marc *and* advancedMARCeditor enabled: http://screencast.com/t/7qo1Wiokhe |
| 14:32 | magnuse | Dyrcona: ooh, we have a national patron database, that systems are supposed to talk too |
| 14:33 | jcamins | oleonard: hehe. |
| 14:33 | magnuse | oleonard: lol! |
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| 14:34 | magnuse | anyone registered with huginn want to add that as a quote? :-) |
| 14:34 | hey drojf, are you in the koha group on linkedin? | |
| 14:34 | Dyrcona | Is that supposed to be a video or just a still photo? |
| 14:34 | jcamins | Why is there a Koha group on LinkedIn? |
| 14:34 | druthb | @quote add oleonard: You're not a real hardcore cataloger unless you catalog with hide_marc *and* advancedMARCeditor enabled: http://screencast.com/t/7qo1Wiokhe |
| 14:34 | huginn | druthb: The operation succeeded. Quote #231 added. |
| 14:34 | oleonard | Dyrcona: Just a screenshot |
| 14:34 | drojf | magnuse: i am not on linkedin |
| 14:35 | magnuse | jcamins: to demonstrate how useful a koha google group would be ;-) |
| 14:35 | * Dyrcona | has wavered on joining LinkedIn and so far hasn't. |
| 14:35 | drojf | lol |
| 14:35 | jcamins | magnuse: ah, right. |
| 14:35 | magnuse | thanks druthb |
| 14:35 | jcamins | Well, I think that question has been conclusively answered. |
| 14:35 | druthb | @quote random |
| 14:35 | huginn | druthb: Quote #132: "<oleonard> nengard: It depends what time zone Jesus uses I think" (added by druthb at 02:07 PM, May 20, 2011) |
| 14:36 | oleonard | That must have been the last end-of-the-world scenario. |
| 14:36 | jcamins | lol |
| 14:36 | druthb | hehe |
| 14:36 | * magnuse | would guess so too |
| 14:36 | nengard | I have no idea what i said to get that reply :) hehe |
| 14:36 | drojf | lol |
| 14:37 | oleonard | So, do we have any apocalypses scheduled for 2013? |
| 14:38 | druthb | Not unless you live here in Redneckistan, oleonard. This is the year the Dem-crats take away all our guns and the zombie apocolypse happens, or something. |
| 14:39 | (I'm never quite sure. Coherence doesn't seem to be their strong suit.) | |
| 14:41 | oleonard | druthb: I decided it was time to unfollow someone on Twitter when they posted a link "proving" that the gummint was coming to get our guns. |
| 14:41 | drojf | i'm positive you can easily achieve a whole nation of zombies with just a little more guns. |
| 14:41 | oleonard | druthb: I should have countered that if infowars was a valid source we would have all been done in by the governments nefarious flu-shot conspiracy |
| 14:43 | druthb | oleonard: I've spent the last two-year election cycle weeding my feeds of such people. The remaining right-wing people in my life are quiet, timid sorts, friendly and not prone to outbursts of insanity like that. |
| 14:43 | drojf | take gun, shoot flu. easy. |
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| 14:48 | jcamins | This is going to get confusing. |
| 14:50 | Dyrcona is active on #koha, Jeff and senator are around occasionally, and now tsbere has signed on. | |
| 14:50 | Dyrcona | I told tsbere we were plotting to take over the world of ILL. |
| 14:51 | tsbere | I figured if there is plotting to take over the world of ILL I should pay attention to it. Wouldn't do to miss out on a hostile takeover. ;) |
| 14:55 | Dyrcona | jcamins: Don't forget yourself and gmcharlt. :) |
| 14:55 | jcamins | Dyrcona: yeah, but I'd gotten used to that. |
| 14:58 | magnuse | nengard: all you said was "i thought it was today" http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]11-05-20#i_673713 ;-) |
| 14:58 | nengard | hehe |
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| 15:15 | drojf | @quote random |
| 15:15 | huginn | drojf: Quote #211: "<paul_p> mtate a bug in C4/Search ? That's unbelievable !" (added by slef at 12:35 PM, July 17, 2012) |
| 15:17 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 15:17 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 7.1°C (4:13 PM CET on January 08, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:30 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 15:30 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (4:20 PM CET on January 08, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling). |
| 15:30 | magnuse | woohoo |
| 15:31 | drojf | oh look, it's hot in norway :P |
| 15:31 | jcamins | drojf: my Raspberry Pi should be arriving tomorrow. |
| 15:32 | drojf | cool! |
| 15:32 | what are you going to do with it? | |
| 15:33 | jcamins | Install Koha, of course! |
| 15:33 | What else would one do with a Raspberry Pi? | |
| 15:33 | drojf | \o/ |
| 15:33 | jcamins | :P |
| 15:33 | drojf | good question |
| 15:33 | install google something ;) | |
| 15:33 | jcamins | And then we can ILL books between our Raspberry Pi Koha installations. |
| 15:33 | drojf | fantastic! |
| 15:34 | hint: don't use that outdated wiki somebody wrote | |
| 15:34 | jcamins | If I'm not supposed to use your instructions, what should I use? |
| 15:35 | drojf | past me thought that present me (at that time known as future me) would have written a new version by now |
| 15:35 | * magnuse | ordered a pi too |
| 15:36 | jcamins | lol |
| 15:36 | drojf | w00t. pi cluster |
| 15:36 | magnuse | yay |
| 15:36 | jcamins | With p2p ILL! |
| 15:36 | * jcamins | has gotten to the creating empty files step. |
| 15:36 | magnuse | every journey starts with creating some empty files |
| 15:37 | or something like that | |
| 15:38 | drojf | lol |
| 15:38 | i wish the pi camera module was out yet. i could catalogue a live image of myself in my koha pi | |
| 15:38 | jcamins | lol |
| 15:41 | drojf | what would i do about a conflict like |
| 15:41 | "CONFLICT (delete/modify): installer/data/mysql/de-DE/mandatory/sysprefs.sql deleted in HEAD and modified in Bug 4888 - pre-set of field indicators value. Version Bug 4888 - pre-set of field indicators value of installer/data/mysql/de-DE/mandatory/sysprefs.sql left in tree." | |
| 15:41 | can i just delete the file then? | |
| 15:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4888 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, salva, Patch doesn't apply , pre-set of field indicators value |
| 15:41 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 15:42 | drojf | nice |
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| 16:39 | * drojf | slaps inetbib around with a large "DO NOT SEND YOUR PRIVATE MESSAGES TO THE WHOLE DAMN MAILING LIST" button |
| 16:40 | drojf | interhweb skillz, you lack them. |
| 16:47 | slef | drojf: does inetbib override Reply-To? |
| 16:54 | drojf | slef: the standard reply-to seems to go to the list |
| 16:57 | slef | drojf: does it have the List-* headers? |
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| 17:00 | drojf | slef: id, unsubscribe, post, help, subscribe |
| 17:04 | to the drojfmobil /o/ | |
| 17:06 | slef | @later tell drojf probably not difficult to ask the list admin to stop overriding Reply-To and let people use List-Post instead... but that requires compatible standards-following clients and not Outlook |
| 17:06 | huginn | slef: The operation succeeded. |
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| 17:11 | samuel | hi everybody |
| 17:13 | just a question: i 've found in my table biblio 2 index (primary and bibnoidx) which seem to be the same.can i delete one of them? | |
| 17:17 | jcamins | samuel: yeah, but I can't think of a single good reason to. |
| 17:19 | samuel | yes, i've seen this in phpmyadmin but i don't want to take a bad decision. |
| 17:20 | jcamins | I would leave it alone. |
| 17:20 | As I said, you could delete one, but there is no benefit whatsoever. | |
| 17:20 | samuel | yes, i agree with you |
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| 17:47 | jcamins | slef: I'm not sure that disabling the Reply-to rewrite would fix the problem, whatever it is. A lot of people use "Reply All" by default. |
| 17:50 | slef | jcamins: then at least it's their own fault if a private message goes to all. I'd prefer that to misleading them by turning "Reply" into another "Reply All" button. |
| 17:51 | jcamins: but this is an old chestnut. If email software supports mailing lists, it should also have "Reply to List" and probably list-management buttons/menu. | |
| 17:51 | jcamins | Agreed, tampering with the Reply-To field is a bad idea. But my experience is that most of the private messages that get sent to a mailing list are sent on lists that don't tamper with Reply-To. |
| 17:51 | slef | jcamins: nah, inetbib and various JISCMAIL tampering lists suffer more than most I see. |
| 17:52 | jcamins: anyway, drojf said this was inetbib again. | |
| 17:57 | libsysguy | hey if I wanted to delete the 952q subfield would I do it like so: $item_marc->field('952')->delete_subfield(code => 'q'); |
| 17:57 | jcamins | That looks reasonable, if you can guarantee that you will only ever have one item. |
| 17:57 | libsysguy | indeed I can |
| 17:58 | * libsysguy | hopes |
| 17:58 | jcamins | How can you guarantee that? |
| 17:59 | libsysguy | because its in a while loop iterating marcxml in items |
| 17:59 | its in BatchCommitItems | |
| 18:00 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 18:00 | In that case, I'm pretty sure you're doing it wrong. | |
| 18:00 | libsysguy | excellent |
| 18:01 | jcamins | You should be using MARC::Field objects not MARC::Record objects if there is exactly one field involved. |
| 18:02 | libsysguy | but if I have a marc record object don't I have to access it through marc record? |
| 18:02 | jcamins | Yes, that's what the while loop should be doing. |
| 18:03 | The only way that snippet you just showed me would work is if you are creating a new MARC::Record object for every 952 field. | |
| 18:03 | libsysguy | well the line preceding it does create a new marc record object |
| 18:03 | my $item_marc = MARC::Record->new_from_xml(StripNonXmlChars($row->{'marcxml'}), 'UTF-8', $row->{'encoding'}); | |
| 18:04 | jcamins | I see now what you're doing. |
| 18:04 | Yes, that snippet is fine. | |
| 18:05 | libsysguy | okay phew |
| 18:05 | i was like "hell I don't know how to fix that then" | |
| 18:06 | jcamins | Note that I said nothing about liking that snippet. |
| 18:09 | * cait_away | shows up and waves |
| 18:10 | libsysguy | I'm writing it for cait :p |
| 18:10 | dare I ask why you don't like it | |
| 18:10 | i mean it does have to pass the jcamins test | |
| 18:11 | jcamins | We are computing a MARC::Record from MARCXML just to use Koha-to-MARC mappings to decompose the MARC record, and then rebuilding the MARC record in order to serialize it to XML. |
| 18:11 | At least, that's what it seems to be doing. | |
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| 18:16 | libsysguy | oh so you don't like the parts that were already there |
| 18:16 | * libsysguy | feels like that most of the time :p |
| 18:17 | jcamins | Right. |
| 18:17 | * libsysguy | carries on |
| 18:18 | wishes I had a nickel for every line in Koha he didn't care for | |
| 18:18 | jcamins | lol |
| 18:18 | Me too. | |
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| 18:25 | mmm45 | hey libsysguy |
| 18:25 | wahanui | libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck or koha's youngest developer |
| 18:27 | mmm45 | i'm trying to correct an invoice number in mysql but UPDATE `koha`.`aqinvoices` SET `invoicenumber` = '<num>' WHERE `aqinvoices`.`invoiceid` = <id>; is not working for our version |
| 18:27 | i believe you correct invoices on the mysql side | |
| 18:27 | in koha v 3.9 | |
| 18:28 | can you guide me where the invoice numbers would be and what command you used? | |
| 18:29 | libsysguy | is that in some code I wrote? |
| 18:29 | mmm45 | i don't think so |
| 18:29 | you used to do this for one of the librarians | |
| 18:29 | libsysguy | this is the schema for aqorders http://schema.koha-community.o[…]les/aqorders.html |
| 18:29 | mmm45 | when she made mistakes |
| 18:30 | libsysguy | you mean the librarians at UTT haven't achieved perfection yet? |
| 18:30 | :p | |
| 18:30 | mmm45 | nope |
| 18:30 | not ye | |
| 18:30 | t | |
| 18:30 | we don't have aqinvoices | |
| 18:30 | do you remember where you used to go | |
| 18:30 | and change that for Jan? | |
| 18:30 | wahanui | mmm45: that doesn't look right |
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| 18:31 | libsysguy | are you using the mysql shell or something else? |
| 18:31 | mmm45 | mysql shell |
| 18:31 | libsysguy | I'm wondering why you're referencing the db koha and have all the backticks |
| 18:32 | mmm45 | do what? |
| 18:32 | when i go into mysql | |
| 18:32 | cait_away | libsysguy: heya |
| 18:32 | libsysguy | hey cait_away |
| 18:32 | wahanui | cait_away is sorry |
| 18:32 | cait_away | mmm45: you want to look in aqorders |
| 18:32 | jcamins | wahanui: forget cait_away |
| 18:32 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot cait_away |
| 18:32 | cait_away | aqinvoices was introduced with 3.10 |
| 18:33 | mmm45 | i do not have 3.10 yet but am working on upgrading |
| 18:33 | libsysguy | yeah it should be the invoiceid in aqorders that needs updting |
| 18:33 | err | |
| 18:33 | wait | |
| 18:33 | cait_away | i think it has a ridiculously long name |
| 18:33 | you should be able to find the right column name with a | |
| 18:33 | describe aqorders; | |
| 18:34 | I think it was something like booksellverinvoicenumber | |
| 18:34 | libsysguy | ^^ thats it |
| 18:34 | ugh I remember cursing that long column | |
| 18:34 | mmm45 | ya, cuz i do not have invoiceid |
| 18:34 | * jcamins | promptly aliases it as "fred." |
| 18:36 | libsysguy | yeah i think it is the booksellerinvoicenumber |
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| 19:18 | * oleonard | summons the Koha 2.2.9 on windows auto-responder bot |
| 19:18 | jcamins | lol |
| 19:18 | oleonard: does it still work? It ran on Windows 95... | |
| 19:19 | oleonard | The auto-responder bot? |
| 19:19 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 19:20 | oleonard | That's the problem, it never worked! |
| 19:24 | jcamins | I never thought I'd say this, but... I wish we had 40-character barcodes. |
| 19:25 | * tsbere | wonders why now |
| 19:25 | jcamins | (allowed them, anyway) |
| 19:26 | tsbere: if you're using a SHA-1 hash for a transaction identifier, you can't really use it as the barcode of the item the transaction is connected to. | |
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| 19:29 | tsbere | ahhh |
| 19:32 | jcamins | Hey... git uses a 7-digit short identifier for SHA-1 hashes. |
| 19:32 | oleonard | Could dodgy internet cause a Koha staff client user to see an Internal Server error? |
| 19:33 | jcamins | oleonard: it seems unlikely, unless there is a proxy. |
| 19:33 | Or if they were in the middle of uploading or downloading something, I suppose. | |
| 19:33 | oleonard | That's what I thought too. We aren't using a proxy. We have one branch which is complaining of slow performance and they keep telling me it's Koha's fault. |
| 19:34 | (as opposed to an internet problem,not that they can tell the difference) | |
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| 19:34 | jcamins | If it's just one branch, I'd look at their workflows. |
| 19:36 | tsbere | jcamins: More like "git hopes that the smaller chunk of the SHA-1 is unique". I have run into a couple in the past that were dupes in the 7 char form. |
| 19:37 | jcamins | Eww. |
| 19:39 | The shorter the input to a SHA-1 function, the lower the chances of a collision which is not an exact match, right? | |
| 19:40 | tsbere | I believe so, yes |
| 19:40 | But the 7 char version is just a truncation, not a different hash, and as such has a bit higher collision rate ;) | |
| 19:41 | jcamins | Right. |
| 19:41 | rambutan | Not infrequently we have problems with the Internet connection (and thus Koha) between our two branches. That will show as bad Koha response times at the remote branch. |
| 19:41 | We pipe our koha connection over a VPN between the two branches. | |
| 19:41 | wizzyrea | bad performance was almost always = poor bandwidth at NEKLS |
| 19:42 | so they'd hit the 3pm slowdown | |
| 19:42 | koha wouldn't be any "busier" | |
| 19:42 | rambutan | yep, know that |
| 19:42 | wizzyrea | but the library would be. |
| 19:42 | where "library" = the rest of the computer usage/internet usage in the library | |
| 19:43 | rambutan | I typically use speedtest.net to check the connections at those times, and it is generally slower than normal |
| 19:43 | jcamins | I'm using the SHA-1 not for security but for generating identifiers that are unlikely to have an inherent meaning. |
| 19:43 | wizzyrea | in NEKLS case, you coudln't tell anything from speedtest - the problem was that the upstream provider didn't have enough bandwidth. |
| 19:44 | oleonard | rambutan: The speedtest.net results were fine... when they checked it before they opened X( |
| 19:44 | wizzyrea | oleonard: you have other branches using the same system with no problems, correct? |
| 19:44 | rambutan | well, for us I generally can see a correlation |
| 19:44 | oleonard | wizzyrea: Yes. |
| 19:45 | wizzyrea | (but the upstream provider was on the same network as the speedtest node being checked.) |
| 19:45 | rambutan | speed tests can vary over short periods of time, I'll sit here an run it 3-5 times per minute |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | well anyway I have to jet. going to teach librarians about reports |
| 19:47 | rambutan | Our ISP actually setup a speed test site for Missouri entities (possibly after my posts??). http://www.speedtest.mobroadbandnow.org/ |
| 19:51 | oleonard | Our internet may be slow, but I'm sure that's nothing compared to the rest of the world with their inferior non-American broadband |
| 19:52 | jcamins | lol |
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| 20:46 | eythian | hi |
| 20:46 | wahanui | what's up, eythian |
| 20:47 | eythian | bag: happy birthday! (apparently, and in NZ time, anyway :) |
| 20:47 | bag | sweet libsysguy and paul_p also share that day with me too |
| 20:47 | :P | |
| 20:48 | libsysguy | bag we share a bday with paul_p too? |
| 20:48 | awesome | |
| 20:48 | cait_away | wow |
| 20:48 | libsysguy | jan 9, the day of awesome |
| 20:48 | cait_away | i will wait a little longer then with the wishes - as I am in europe :) |
| 20:48 | so it's the 9th? | |
| 20:49 | libsysguy | yup |
| 20:49 | eythian | today is the 9th, yes :) |
| 20:49 | cait_away | irc meeting day too |
| 20:49 | libsysguy | exactly |
| 20:49 | so I will be expecting all the karma :p | |
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| 20:53 | oleonard | meeting in 13 hours or so? |
| 20:54 | cait_away | hm not sure |
| 20:54 | I always mess them up | |
| 20:56 | eythian | cait_away: aren't you just 1 hour off UTC? It should be easy for you :) |
| 20:57 | cait_away | I don't care if it should be :P |
| 20:57 | well, or my brain doesn't | |
| 20:59 | 11 am? | |
| 21:00 | eythian: work time, should be hard to miss it :) | |
| 21:05 | oleonard | Dragging-myself-out-of-bed time, easy to miss. |
| 21:05 | cait_away | hope I won't be there alone then? |
| 21:06 | quite late in nz too | |
| 21:06 | oleonard | ...but better than sleeping-soundly-time. |
| 21:07 | jcamins | I intend to be sleeping soundly. |
| 21:07 | libsysguy | what time is the meeting? |
| 21:08 | oleonard | 5AM tomorrow if you're in Eastern time libsysguy |
| 21:08 | jcamins | 5am my time. |
| 21:08 | libsysguy | ack 4 my time |
| 21:08 | sorry guys I probably won't be joining you for my bday | |
| 21:08 | * oleonard | gets up at 5 anyway :P |
| 21:08 | libsysguy | you're a monster oleonard |
| 21:08 | :p | |
| 21:09 | oleonard | Gotta have myself and 3 kids out the door by 7:15 |
| 21:09 | libsysguy | 3 kids! holy schmoley |
| 21:09 | * libsysguy | just has a cat |
| 21:09 | oleonard | Set your cat to wake you up then! |
| 21:10 | libsysguy | correction: |
| 21:10 | * libsysguy | has a lazy cat |
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| 21:13 | cait_away | oleonard: quick, we should think about some things we always wnated to vote on :) |
| 21:13 | like naming the releases after cookies | |
| 21:14 | oleonard | Or never having another meeting at 5AM! Except you'd out-vote me. |
| 21:14 | cait_away | no, I am ok with moving the itmes |
| 21:14 | if we can get rid of my 4 am meeting | |
| 21:14 | I am open for negotiations | |
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| 21:15 | oleonard | Your 4AM meeting is my 10PM meeting, so no objections there |
| 21:15 | eythian | I think that'll be 11pm for me. That's cutting close to bedtime. I'll probably forget anyway, I usually do :) |
| 21:16 | libsysguy | we should starting having meetings on google angouts |
| 21:16 | hangouts* | |
| 21:16 | jcamins | So... basically it will be cait, if she isn't busy. |
| 21:16 | cait_away | oh yay |
| 21:16 | ... | |
| 21:16 | oleonard | libsysguy: Requiring a Google+ account is too high a barrier to entry |
| 21:16 | cait_away | well and france i guess, norway is travelling |
| 21:17 | and it's too hard for non native speakers | |
| 21:17 | too many people talking at the same time or trying to | |
| 21:17 | *shudder* | |
| 21:17 | libsysguy | okay so it was a bad idea |
| 21:17 | :p | |
| 21:18 | eythian | g+ hangouts are quite nifty, but the objections are correct. |
| 21:18 | Also I'm not sure of a free software way of integrating with them. | |
| 21:18 | jcamins | And you can only have a limited number of participants. |
| 21:19 | libsysguy | oh? |
| 21:19 | i thought it was only limited in skype | |
| 21:19 | i thought g+ could have as many as you wanted | |
| 21:20 | jcamins | I thought that was "theoretically." |
| 21:20 | Ten. | |
| 21:20 | libsysguy | I've had a chat with 10 |
| 21:20 | but I didn't have any more firends | |
| 21:20 | jcamins | So not even theoretically as many as you want. |
| 21:21 | Exactly ten participants, maximum. | |
| 21:21 | libsysguy | maybe they up it for celebrities |
| 21:21 | cait_away | ah, I have the killer argument. someone would have to WRITE minutes |
| 21:21 | oleonard | So we can cross updates on 3.8, 3.10, and 3.12 off the agenda? Probably Kohacon2013 too. |
| 21:22 | cait_away | ugh. |
| 21:22 | what's left then | |
| 21:22 | ? | |
| 21:22 | oleonard | "Cleaning bugzilla?!" |
| 21:22 | 'A "Developer's handbook" on the wiki?' | |
| 21:22 | jcamins | drojf might be around. |
| 21:22 | magnuse won't be around for the latter. | |
| 21:23 | oleonard | Whoops, just realized I'm supposed to leave. See you in 12 1/2 hours cait_away |
| 21:23 | cait_away | now he did that fast leaving thing again... |
| 21:24 | * cait_away | tells the empty spot that was oleonard |
| 21:24 | cait_away | have a nice evening! |
| 21:28 | rambutan | wahanui: meeting? |
| 21:28 | wahanui | meeting is in an hour, right? |
| 21:28 | rambutan | uh, are u sure? |
| 21:29 | cait_away | 12.5 |
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| 21:37 | wizzyrea | 12 hours? |
| 21:38 | cait_away | hm 12:40 mins |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea | so... did I miss the memo on the circ reports wizard being broken? |
| 21:38 | cait_away | 12 hours, 20 mins... |
| 21:38 | numbers. | |
| 21:38 | wahanui | numbers are per library? |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea | forget numbers |
| 21:38 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot numbers |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea | forget meeting |
| 21:38 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot meeting |
| 21:38 | cait_away | wizzyrea: what's broken about it? |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea | every result is - |
| 21:38 | 0 | |
| 21:38 | cait_away | oh |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea | no matter the reality |
| 21:39 | * wizzyrea | curses |
| 21:42 | cait_away | http://thechive.files.wordpres[…]d-art-play-12.jpg ? :) |
| 21:45 | * cait_away | hands wizzyrea the grumpy cookie |
| 21:45 | wizzyrea | today has not yet been all I hoped it would be ;) |
| 21:45 | cait_away | oh no |
| 21:45 | don't spoil tomorrow for me | |
| 21:46 | jcamins | wizzyrea: yesterday is almost over for me, and it's been pretty awful. |
| 21:46 | wizzyrea | no no, that should not be an indicator of the future foryou all |
| 21:47 | jcamins | Good. I would like it if tomorrow were better. |
| 21:53 | eythian | > I' am currently using koha 2.2.9 on windows, my problem is when I' am issuing a book to a borrower by giving a particular date [...] |
| 21:53 | no, that's not your problem. | |
| 21:55 | wizzyrea | Seriously, does this work for anybody: http://imgur.com/Vp101 |
| 21:55 | even if I have circs | |
| 21:55 | it always gives 0 no matter what | |
| 21:56 | and this is in 3.6+ | |
| 21:57 | (obv that shot is from master) | |
| 21:57 | am I doing it wrong? | |
| 21:57 | I think not but wtf do I know. | |
| 21:57 | jcamins | I always understood that none of the report wizards worked at all. |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | I should go back to bed. |
| 21:57 | then we should take them OUT. | |
| 21:57 | jcamins | I would think so. |
| 21:57 | The last few times it was brought up, someone or other objected. | |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | but I think biblibre is still doing patches, so theirs must work |
| 21:58 | to the wizars. | |
| 21:58 | wizards. | |
| 21:58 | jcamins | True. |
| 21:58 | Maybe their patches make them work. | |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | bug 7679 see the testing notes |
| 21:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7679 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Statistics wizard: circulation (new filters) |
| 21:59 | wizzyrea | perhaps I ought to test that. |
| 21:59 | * wizzyrea | grumbles |
| 22:00 | jcamins | Actually, it works fine for me. |
| 22:00 | wizzyrea | !! |
| 22:00 | !!!!!! | |
| 22:00 | jcamins | Cool. |
| 22:00 | I never knew that those were usable. | |
| 22:01 | wizzyrea | so, what parameters did you use |
| 22:01 | and which one | |
| 22:01 | wahanui | i heard which one was 3.6.x? |
| 22:01 | wizzyrea | forget which one |
| 22:01 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot which one |
| 22:01 | jcamins | Circulation statistics with Period selected as the row and limited from 29/12/2003 to 08/01/2013 and Library as the column. |
| 22:01 | Dyrcona | Seems like your bot is a bit troublesome..... |
| 22:02 | wizzyrea | no he is a learning bot |
| 22:02 | he's fine. | |
| 22:02 | you just have to teach him. | |
| 22:02 | jcamins | Dyrcona: he's like your young cousin who always says awkward things at family parties. ;) |
| 22:02 | Dyrcona | :) |
| 22:02 | wizzyrea | no wahanui! inappropriate! |
| 22:03 | well now I see what I did wrong. | |
| 22:03 | * wizzyrea | dies |
| 22:03 | wizzyrea | seriously. get a coffin. |
| 22:03 | fml. | |
| 22:03 | jcamins | What did you do? |
| 22:03 | wizzyrea | oh you know, didn't pick a radio button for column |
| 22:03 | on the limits. | |
| 22:04 | neat. | |
| 22:05 | jcamins | Oops. |
| 22:11 | eythian | it should give you an error in that case. |
| 22:11 | jcamins | It should indeed. |
| 22:12 | wizzyrea | nah, why would you make it do anything helpful like that |
| 22:12 | eythian | wahanui: inappropriate is <reply>But I heard $who say it! |
| 22:12 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 22:12 | wizzyrea | perhaps you meant that |
| 22:12 | eythian | wahanui: inappropriate |
| 22:12 | wahanui | But I heard eythian say it! |
| 22:12 | eythian | wahanui: inappropriate |
| 22:12 | wahanui | But I heard eythian say it! |
| 22:12 | eythian | oh I thought that was random |
| 22:12 | hmm | |
| 22:12 | wizzyrea | wahanui: inappropriate! |
| 22:12 | wahanui | But I heard wizzyrea say it! |
| 22:13 | * wizzyrea | tries something |
| 22:13 | wizzyrea | jcamins! inappropriate! |
| 22:13 | aw I was hoping | |
| 22:13 | jcamins | wizzyrea: inappropriate |
| 22:13 | wahanui | But I heard jcamins say it! |
| 22:13 | wizzyrea | lol now THAT is funny. |
| 22:14 | eythian | no wahanui, inappropriate is <reply>But I heard rangi say it! |
| 22:14 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 22:14 | eythian | that'll have to do for now |
| 22:14 | wizzyrea | :O |
| 22:14 | does he keep track of who said things? | |
| 22:14 | eythian | I don't think so, no |
| 22:15 | wizzyrea | it would be funny to regurgitate who said the original thing. |
| 22:15 | eythian | I think if you use 'I' or 'me' or 'you' or something like that, it replaces it with your name when storing the message, but that's about it. |
| 22:15 | cait_away | wahanui: 77-70*6/20 |
| 22:15 | wahanui | 56 |
| 22:16 | cait_away | ah |
| 22:16 | eythian | wahanui: 30/0 |
| 22:16 | wahanui | eythian: what? |
| 22:16 | cait_away | (77-70)*6/20 |
| 22:16 | wahanui | 2.1 |
| 22:16 | eythian | wahanui: 30/1 |
| 22:16 | wahanui | 30 |
| 22:16 | eythian | wahanui: 30/0.0 |
| 22:16 | wahanui | eythian: i'm not following you... |
| 22:16 | eythian | sneaky |
| 22:19 | bartsimpson | Hello everyone, I tried running a unit test in a terminal window and got the error"Can't locate C4/TmplTokenType.pm in @INC" last time I tried this it worked and I haven't edited it since, any advise would be appreciated :) |
| 22:19 | jcamins | bartsimpson: sounds like PERL5LIB isn't set. |
| 22:21 | bartsimpson | jcamins: Thanks i'll have a look at that :) |
| 22:22 | eythian | wahanui: perlfaq test |
| 22:22 | wahanui | eythian: excuse me? |
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| 22:45 | jcamins | Time to go pick up our veggies. |
| 22:49 | BobB joined #koha | |
| 22:50 | BobB | Good morning all. |
| 22:50 | @wunder Sydney New South Wales | |
| 22:50 | huginn | BobB: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 21.0°C (9:30 AM EST on January 09, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). |
| 22:50 | cait_away | hi BobB |
| 22:51 | BobB | Huh, half what it was yesterday. Phew. |
| 22:51 | eythian | @wunder nzwn |
| 22:51 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 19.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on January 09, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
| 22:51 | BobB | Decent. Hi eythian, hi cait_away, happy new year! |
| 22:52 | eythian | well, it doesn't mention the 40-gusting-to-65-kph winds :) |
| 22:52 | cait_away | happy new year :) |
| 22:52 | eythian | also, happy new year :) |
| 22:53 | BobB | :) |
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| 23:02 | * wizzyrea | can now say for certain that "this wind is pants... but it could be worse" |
| 23:03 | eythian | heh |
| 23:03 | wizzyrea | (having personally experienced "worse" |
| 23:03 | ) | |
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| 23:09 | tdattetakere | You're enjoying Windy Wellington then wizzyrea? |
| 23:10 | wizzyrea | :) I'm not much bothered by any kind of weather except "ungodly, hellish, hot" |
| 23:11 | tdattetakere | Our IRC is 11pm tonight, NZ Time isn't it? |
| 23:12 | cjh_ | tdattetakere: yes |
| 23:18 | tdattetakere | Thanks cjh - last month I got my time conversion wrong and was a day early |
| 23:18 | cjh_ | http://www.timeanddate.com/wor[…]g&iso=20130109T10 |
| 23:19 | tdattetakere: haha badluck! | |
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| 23:34 | jcamins_away | ... we still use CGI::scrolling_list? |
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| 23:36 | gmcharlt | jcamins_away: it's a very persistent zombie |
| 23:37 | cait_away | i thik it crept back a bit even :( |
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| 23:44 | cait_away | wow, it even brought back rangi from his vacation |
| 23:44 | jcamins | Yup. |
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