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| 01:45 | jcamins | I do not like firebug. |
| 01:47 | wizzyrea | no? |
| 01:47 | wahanui | http://i.imgur.com/hVVuP.jpg |
| 01:47 | wizzyrea | lulz. |
| 01:49 | jcamins | Definitely not. |
| 01:51 | It doesn't report javascript errors, and whenever it is open I can't switch tabs. | |
| 01:51 | eythian | that's odd, I note the opposite to both those cases. |
| 01:53 | wizzyrea | O.o I've not ever seen it act that way |
| 01:56 | jcamins | And I can't get this page to reload. |
| 01:58 | wizzyrea | wow that's spectacular |
| 01:59 | spectacularly fail-y | |
| 01:59 | jcamins | It works in Chrome. |
| 01:59 | Back to Chrome I go. | |
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| 02:01 | jcamins | gmcharlt++ |
| 02:02 | * Oak | waves |
| 02:02 | Oak | magnuse++ |
| 02:02 | jcamins++ | |
| 02:03 | hellol jcamins | |
| 02:03 | *sigh* | |
| 02:03 | jcamins | Hello. |
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| 03:15 | bag | @seen paul_p |
| 03:15 | huginn | bag: paul_p was last seen in #koha 4 days, 18 hours, 42 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <paul_p> good morning #koha ! |
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| 03:18 | _et | hi. i'd like to begin translating Koha into Tamil |
| 03:18 | where do i get the .po files? | |
| 03:19 | jcamins | translate? |
| 03:19 | translation? | |
| 03:19 | wahanui | i think translation is done through the pref files |
| 03:19 | wizzyrea | translate.koha-community.org |
| 03:19 | wahanui | hmmm... translate.koha-community.org is back... |
| 03:19 | jcamins | forget translation |
| 03:19 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot translation |
| 03:19 | jcamins | translation is translate.koha-community.org |
| 03:19 | wizzyrea | forget translate.koha-community.org |
| 03:19 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot translate.koha-community.org |
| 03:30 | jcamins | I can use the opac-suggestions page for ILL requests! |
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| 03:36 | wizzyrea | the first question? |
| 03:36 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
| 03:38 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I'm writing a peer-to-peer ILL module. |
| 03:38 | Sort of. | |
| 03:40 | wizzyrea | hm |
| 03:40 | eythian | bittorrent or freenet based? |
| 03:41 | * wizzyrea | giggles |
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| 06:31 | bag | no paul_p yet to wish him happy birthday! |
| 06:31 | ok then | |
| 06:31 | @later tell paul_p Happy Birthday! | |
| 06:31 | huginn | bag: The operation succeeded. |
| 06:31 | bag | @notes paul_p |
| 06:31 | huginn | bag: Sent just now: <bag> Happy Birthday! |
| 06:31 | bag | YAY |
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| 06:36 | bag | heya cait |
| 06:50 | cait | hi bag |
| 06:55 | morning #koha | |
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| 07:26 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:26 | wahanui | que tal, alex_a |
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| 07:42 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:46 | raj4perl | Hello all |
| 07:47 | I've clone koha repo from github and installed it as per INSTALL | |
| 07:48 | now when i run 'plackup --reload etc/app.psgi' and load localhost:5000 ... it always redirects to http://localhost:5000/cgi-bin/koha/maintenance.pl | |
| 07:48 | even when i got to http://localhost:5000/cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl it redirects back to mantenance.pl | |
| 07:50 | and when i go to http://localhost:5000/cgi-bin/[…]taller/install.pl, it return 'not found' | |
| 07:50 | i'm new to plack and koha and would appreciate any help/pointers | |
| 07:54 | any ideas what i might be missing please? | |
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| 08:00 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:00 | wahanui | salut, gaetan_B |
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| 08:04 | francharb | good morning #koha |
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| 08:16 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
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| 08:43 | kf | good morning #koha |
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| 09:01 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 09:03 | kf | good morning drojf |
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| 09:20 | drojf | hi kf |
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| 09:40 | kf | 20 mins? |
| 09:41 | drojf | yup |
| 09:45 | kf | it's so quiet here today, drojf. we shoudl find some nice things to vote on while it's only the two of us ;) |
| 09:47 | raj4perl | #Koha |
| 09:47 | I need your help with installation | |
| 09:48 | I'm new to koha and plack | |
| 09:48 | i've done installation but plack always redirects to http://localhost:5000/cgi-bin/koha/maintenance.pl | |
| 09:48 | even when i got to http://localhost:5000/cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl it redirects back to mantenance.pl | |
| 09:48 | and when i go to http://localhost:5000/cgi-bin/[…]taller/install.pl, it return 'not found' | |
| 09:49 | What am i missing? Please help. | |
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| 09:51 | raj4perl | Here is the log - "OPAC Install required, redirecting to maintenance" |
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| 09:54 | kf | raj4perl: sorry, i have never installed koha with plack, maybe if you try a bit later someone with experience will be around |
| 09:55 | raj4perl: you can also ask on the mailing list | |
| 09:55 | mailing lists? | |
| 09:55 | wahanui | mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
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| 09:55 | raj4perl | Okay, will do that. Thanks |
| 09:56 | kf | you didn't run the web installer yet, right? |
| 09:56 | drojf | raj4perl: the opac maintenance thingy usually comes when you have not fnished the web installer |
| 09:56 | kf | did you try accessing localhost:5000? |
| 09:56 | raj4perl | yes |
| 09:56 | and every time it redirects to mantenance.pl | |
| 09:57 | drojf | 5000 is opac. 5001 would be staff |
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| 09:58 | drojf | meaning you should try localhost:5001 |
| 09:59 | kf: are you chairing? | |
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| 10:00 | kf | yes I can do that |
| 10:00 | give me a second please | |
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| 10:01 | kf | can you look for the link tot he agenda please? |
| 10:01 | #startmeeting | |
| 10:01 | wahanui | if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
| 10:01 | huginn | kf: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' |
| 10:01 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 10:01 | kf | #startmeeting Koha IRC Meeting |
| 10:01 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Jan 9 10:01:27 2013 UTC. The chair is kf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 10:01 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 10:01 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 10:01 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'koha_irc_meeting' |
| 10:01 | slef | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g,_9_January_2013 |
| 10:01 | davidnind | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g,_9_January_2013 |
| 10:01 | kf | welcome all to the koha irc meeting |
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| 10:01 | vfernandes | hello :) |
| 10:01 | raj4perl | Guys |
| 10:01 | kf | please introduce yourself with #info |
| 10:01 | drojf | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nuary_2013#Agenda |
| 10:01 | kf | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
| 10:02 | oleonard-away | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
| 10:02 | drojf | #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin |
| 10:02 | slef | #info MJ Ray, software.coop member, England |
| 10:02 | kf | thx slef and drojf for the link |
| 10:02 | jdattetakere | #info Joanne Dillon (JD) at Te Takere/Horowhenua District Libraries |
| 10:02 | raj4perl | just if some one else stumblled upon this issue - The 'Version' parameter was missing in database |
| 10:02 | kathryn | #info Kathryn Tyree, Catalyst IT, NZ |
| 10:02 | ColinC | #info Colin Campbell ptfs-europe ltd. |
| 10:02 | davidnind | #info David Nind, Wellington, NZ |
| 10:02 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 10:02 | raj4perl | that seem to have fixed the rediection issue |
| 10:03 | kf | hm forgot the topic... |
| 10:03 | Irma | #info Irma Birchall CALYX Sydney, Australia |
| 10:03 | kf | #topic Announcements |
| 10:03 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 10:03 | kf | does someone have an announcemnt to make? |
| 10:04 | ok, moving on to next topic then | |
| 10:04 | #topic Update on 3.8 | |
| 10:04 | Topic for #koha is now Update on 3.8 (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 10:04 | drojf | i anounce i'm going to get tea water |
| 10:04 | kf | you are too late, the topic has moved on |
| 10:05 | I think neither our RMaint nor our RM are here today, so I am moving forward if noone speaks up | |
| 10:05 | slef | it would be nice if short updates were left in the agenda if they can't make it |
| 10:05 | kf | #topic Update 3.10 |
| 10:05 | Topic for #koha is now Update 3.10 (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 10:05 | WaqarAzeem | Hi, Is there any problem with 'debean' and ICU feature for multilanguage search indexing. |
| 10:05 | slef | magnus++ for that reason |
| 10:06 | kf | slef: agreed :) |
| 10:06 | WaqarAzeem: we are in a meeting right now - it shouldn't take long - maybe ask in a few minutes? | |
| 10:06 | WaqarAzeem | i followed and artical and got this error without any trance ... [warn] previous transaction didn't reach commit |
| 10:06 | kf | #topic Update on 3.12 |
| 10:06 | Topic for #koha is now Update on 3.12 (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 10:06 | WaqarAzeem | I am really sorry for this ... |
| 10:06 | kf | Hm, maybe I could try and say a few things |
| 10:07 | just the usual reminder to add test plans and good descriptions to your patches | |
| 10:07 | slef | WaqarAzeem: no problems, but we want to concentrate on news for a few minutes, so ICU help a bit later probably. |
| 10:07 | kf | and please keep signing off and testing |
| 10:07 | slef | what's the situation with database updates? |
| 10:07 | kf | I think so far 3.12 is moving along as planned, some bigger features have gone in too |
| 10:08 | * oleonard-away | asks that everyone listen to kf and really do add test plans and good descriptions to patches! |
| 10:08 | kf | slef: afaik you can see it in bugzilla |
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| 10:08 | kf | the follow-ups still need sign-off I think |
| 10:08 | * oleonard | didn't mean to be away |
| 10:08 | paul_p | #info paul Poulain, BibLibre, France |
| 10:08 | (sorry for being a little bit late ! | |
| 10:08 | kf | slef: the new system has been reverted, so for the time being, you just submit your patches with the updatedatabase bit |
| 10:09 | does that answer your question? | |
| 10:09 | slef | yeah pretty much. Anyone got the bug number? |
| 10:09 | drojf | as someone who might be testing your patch, chances are higher with a test plan. and by higher i mean i might actually consider doing it |
| 10:09 | kf | there are a lot linked to the main bug I think, look for database improvements |
| 10:09 | yes, and also you save a lot of time for testers and qa team | |
| 10:10 | and time is really precious when it comes to shorten the list of things waiting for attention :) | |
| 10:10 | slef | by test plan you mean the comment with 1.2.3. and description of success/failure? |
| 10:10 | kf | ther is doc on the wiki |
| 10:10 | oleonard: could you find it maybe for me? looking for the bug number | |
| 10:11 | slef | bug 7167 |
| 10:11 | wahanui | bug 7167 is commented out of control |
| 10:11 | kf | #link http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167 |
| 10:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167 new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , updatedatabase improvements |
| 10:11 | 04Bug 7167: new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , updatedatabase improvements | |
| 10:11 | kf | #info current discussion about the database update changes can be found in bugzilla - start with bug 7167 |
| 10:11 | thd | drojf: Would a test plan not be self evident as part of the comments in well written tests? |
| 10:11 | slef | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]lines#Description |
| 10:11 | perhaps | |
| 10:12 | kf | ah, i was thinking about |
| 10:12 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Commit_messages | |
| 10:12 | slef | which reminds me... editing out "The application crashed." |
| 10:12 | paul_p | the 7167 has a short follow-up, that should be not so hard to test, and it's a VERY handy improvement! |
| 10:12 | kf | I think I woudl like to moove on to magnus's suggestion at this point |
| 10:13 | as it seems a good fit right now | |
| 10:13 | slef | kf: yeah I think we're proving magnus's motivation ;) |
| 10:13 | kf | #topic A "Developer's handbook" on the wiki? |
| 10:13 | Topic for #koha is now A "Developer's handbook" on the wiki? (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 10:13 | slef | #vote Yes |
| 10:13 | ;) | |
| 10:13 | kf | #info proposal in the agenda: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g,_9_January_2013 |
| 10:14 | who is against more documentation - not me :) | |
| 10:14 | +1 from me too | |
| 10:14 | oleonard | Fleshing out the coding guidelines section, or incorporating it? |
| 10:14 | kf | oleonard: I think he just wanted to bring all the links/pages together |
| 10:14 | drojf | thd: i can test the functionality of a patch without reading the whole source code. five steps of "do 1, then 2, ... does x work?" are much faster to get thorugh than reading a lot of perl and comments. also non-developers might be testing things (like in a sandbox) and they will probably not touch the patch file at all |
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| 10:14 | thd | +1 What could possibly be wrong with more documentation. |
| 10:14 | drojf | yeah for documentation |
| 10:15 | +1 | |
| 10:15 | kf | I was not trying to manipulate the vote.. I think :) |
| 10:15 | slef | let me know if/when I can return to test plans |
| 10:15 | kf | oleonard: moving on ok for you? |
| 10:15 | jdattetakere | +1 |
| 10:15 | kathryn | +1 from me too |
| 10:15 | paul_p | +1 (who could vote -1 ?) |
| 10:15 | kf | slef: if there is need to discuss, we can create a topic for that |
| 10:15 | thd | Yes, I think I am confused about where test plans should go. |
| 10:15 | davidnind | +1 |
| 10:16 | kf | but let's put it at the end, ok? |
| 10:16 | thd | OK |
| 10:16 | kf | #agreed votes are pro creating a 'developer's handbook' on the wiki :) |
| 10:16 | #topic KohaCon2013 | |
| 10:16 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon2013 (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 10:16 | mib_vwq7dj | hi, I'm new in koha and ubuntu but. i want to install koha on ubuntu server 12.04.01. Can you give me a step by step tutorial about how to install it |
| 10:16 | kf | I am not aware of any news here, is someone present who knows more? |
| 10:17 | oleonard | Also known as the Magical Mystery Con |
| 10:17 | drojf | lol |
| 10:17 | slef | would someone like to email the organisers and ask how it's going? |
| 10:17 | kf | oleonard: ooh, do we get to wear costumes? ;) |
| 10:17 | I can do that | |
| 10:17 | drojf | the last few meetings it was "we are almost done with the hotel stuff"? |
| 10:17 | thd | mib_vwg7di: someone will direct you to an appropriate resource after the meeting. |
| 10:17 | slef | #action kf to email the organisers and ask how it's going |
| 10:18 | kf | thx slef |
| 10:18 | drojf | at tleast that is the last thing i remember about kohacon |
| 10:18 | slef | (I think I'm allowed to use #action but only chair can use #agreed and #startvote) |
| 10:18 | kf | ok, next topic... giving you a second to stop me |
| 10:18 | #topic Cleaning bugzilla | |
| 10:18 | Topic for #koha is now Cleaning bugzilla (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 10:18 | kf | drojf: do you want tos a few words about your proposal? |
| 10:19 | drojf | there is not much to say i think. we have a long backlog on bugzilla with stuff dating to 2009 (i closed all 2008) |
| 10:19 | kf | drojf++ for that |
| 10:20 | drojf | my proposal would be to close something like "all from 2009+2010" or something so we return to a useful bugtracker one day |
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| 10:20 | mib_vwq7dj | please ask my question |
| 10:20 | slef | I'm really hesitent about marking them WONTFIX as there are probably a few lurking there which we should still fix. The problem is finding the wood among the trees. |
| 10:20 | oleonard | I agree with slef |
| 10:20 | drojf | we would not lose the old entries, just mark them resolved/wontfix or something, with the option to reopen |
| 10:20 | kf | mib_vwq7dj: we are currently holding a community meeting, please come back a bit later |
| 10:20 | thd | drojf: Is there a way of distinguishing what was closed without full assessment? |
| 10:20 | kf | I agree with slef too, but I think discussing this is good |
| 10:20 | slef | mib_vwq7dj: look at INSTALL.ubuntu* in the downloads, or http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing_Koha_packages |
| 10:21 | drojf | i dont know much about bugzilla, maybe we can add a reason? closed-automatically or something? |
| 10:21 | kf | you can do bulk edits |
| 10:21 | oleonard | What kind of bug would be a candidate for automatic closing? |
| 10:21 | kf | and rangi can turn off mailing for this if you want that |
| 10:21 | slef | mib_vwq7dj: sorry, wrong link: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu |
| 10:21 | kf | maybe we could do it on a month to month basis in a joint effort? |
| 10:22 | thd | oleonard: The proposal is bugs over some given age which concerns me unless they can be easily found. |
| 10:22 | kf | like create a mail to the list ever 2 weeks or so with the oldest 50 bugs still open |
| 10:22 | and ask people to take a look and close or comment | |
| 10:22 | drojf | oleonard: i would close some things that are "old". maybe "all added/edited last 2009" for starters. a klot of that is imported from an old tracker, reported by people that do not work with us anymore |
| 10:22 | thd | kf++ |
| 10:22 | slef | drojf: I think it would be pretty harmful to let people point at Koha and say "they say they won't fix $BUG, which is a horrible bug they've known about for years" |
| 10:22 | kf | could be a saved search |
| 10:22 | once the list is done, pull up the next | |
| 10:22 | drojf | slef: that is what we do now |
| 10:23 | thd | slef++ |
| 10:23 | drojf | but we dont tell |
| 10:23 | i don't see how that is better | |
| 10:23 | thd | drojf-- |
| 10:23 | slef | drojf: no, we're just waiting until we get around to it. |
| 10:23 | drojf | slef: we will never get around to it |
| 10:23 | slef | drojf: I sympathise with the problem that they often get in the way. |
| 10:23 | oleonard | thd: There is no reason to take karma from drojf |
| 10:23 | drojf | unless a fairy drops a lot of time or money on us |
| 10:23 | kf | I am torn between drojf and slef actually, I can se both points, but I think blindly closing feels wrong |
| 10:23 | slef | kf: I'd actually go for 12 bugs every 6 days orsomething like that. |
| 10:24 | kf | 20 every week? :) |
| 10:24 | not saying one alone has to do it | |
| 10:24 | slef | drojf: did your research find out how many are "old"? |
| 10:24 | drojf | (and no, i am not a fan of blindly closing. if we can magane to look at a handful of old things every week, i would prefer that) |
| 10:24 | thd | Bugs are sorted by date effectively. Is date sorting not sufficient? |
| 10:25 | drojf | slef: i had numbers, but not at home/not my computer. don't remember, but a few hundreds i think |
| 10:25 | paul_p | kf & drojf = I also can suspend mails when bulkmodifying bugs |
| 10:25 | thd | s/Bugs/Open bugs/ |
| 10:25 | slef | how long is reasonable for us to take to review the old bugs? |
| 10:25 | kf | paul_p: thx for the info :) |
| 10:25 | * slef | tries to construct a report |
| 10:26 | paul_p | what about adding 1st a comment like "is this bug still valid with 3.10 ? in case of no feedback, this bug will be closed in X days" |
| 10:26 | thd | paul_p++ |
| 10:26 | kf | yeah,b ut turning off mail for those might be pointless if you want a comment :) |
| 10:26 | oleonard | I think we might be better served marking bugs as resolved which are really fixed |
| 10:26 | drojf | i think i spent a few hours looking at 2008 bugs and checking if valid or not. that were... maybe 30? dont remember |
| 10:26 | kf | oleonard++ |
| 10:26 | slef | paul_p: I hate it when debian does that. Results in lots of false closures. |
| 10:26 | paul_p | kf = of course, I would do that for batch closing ;-) |
| 10:26 | oleonard | I'm not sure what the benefit is of closing bugs which are still valid |
| 10:27 | kf | ok, what I think |
| 10:27 | bulk closing needs a bigger group/some discussion on the mailing list before we do it | |
| 10:27 | paul_p | oleonard = the concern of drojf is that there are so much bugs open, that finding the ones that should really have our attention is impossible |
| 10:27 | kf | because I woudl not feel comfortable deciding that right now |
| 10:27 | slef | can I suggest |
| 10:27 | kf | next meeting with a mail to the mailing list would be ok for me tho |
| 10:27 | oleonard | paul_p: I think closing fixed bugs will help better than closing unfixed ones |
| 10:27 | thd | oleonard: The issue is that many bugs are listed but no longer valid. |
| 10:28 | oleonard | thd: Is that really the issue? |
| 10:28 | kf | so maybe until then we could try and do some review process and see if that works |
| 10:28 | slef | we do some form of kf's "N bugs a week" idea, get through all "old" bugs in 3(?) months, then reconsider bulk closures? |
| 10:28 | drojf | oleonard: and they are not all valid. there is stuff "one person" reported, that person is not on bugzilla. we will never find out. there is stuff that is already fixed by other patches. i would not want to close it all if i knew it is all valid |
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| 10:28 | thd | That is my understanding of the issue please correct me if I am mistaken. |
| 10:28 | paul_p | oleonard I think that is because, if I want to fix a bug, I don't know which one to start with. And i'll choose a recent one, for sure. Thus old bugs will never be updated probably |
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| 10:29 | kf | paul_p: nto sure that's true |
| 10:29 | slef | 252 bugs are > 700 days since bug changed. |
| 10:29 | kf | if a customer reports a bug, you should try seraching first, see if there is more information about the problemon bugzilla |
| 10:29 | then you can work from that | |
| 10:30 | slef | = about 2.8 bugs per day to get through them in 3 months |
| 10:30 | kf | you might miss good hints otherwise and on top the original reporter gets feedback about the progress |
| 10:30 | Irma | sorry all, I have to leave, one of my children just got engaged! Bye!!! |
| 10:30 | kf | congratulations! |
| 10:30 | drojf | slef: that sounds very do-able, if people really do it :) |
| 10:30 | thd | We need some name better than won't fix for a designation for any prospective date based closing. |
| 10:30 | slef | Irma: congratulations and bye |
| 10:30 | davidnind | Maybe the next few bug squashing days could focus on reviewing the oldest ones first? |
| 10:30 | oleonard | davidnind++ |
| 10:30 | kf | davidnind++ I like that idea |
| 10:31 | slef | thd: I think we might have REMIND... checking |
| 10:31 | kf | #idea next few bug squashing days could focus on reviewing the oldest bugs first |
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| 10:31 | oleonard | slef: Setting "remind" didn't accomplish anything in the past when it was done |
| 10:31 | paul_p | oleonard = for me, there are enough valid & known things to do to NOT focusing on old things that I don't know if they're still relevant |
| 10:31 | slef | thd: yes, we have REMIND |
| 10:31 | kf | #idea have a regular mail to the mailing list and a searched report with oldest n bugs for review |
| 10:31 | slef | oleonard: oh sure, but it's a nicer automatic closure reason than WONTFIX |
| 10:32 | drojf | if we source this out to only bug squashing days i assume that is not going anywhere far. or is that supposed to be a plus to a regular checking of old bugs? |
| 10:32 | thd | The worst bugs as in most annoying but not blockers may be the oldest valid bugs but especially difficult to fix. |
| 10:32 | paul_p | so I won't focus on those very old bugs (except for those affected to me, I already cleaned them a few weeks/months ago iirc) |
| 10:32 | kf | drojf: I would say plus :) |
| 10:32 | oleonard | paul_p: Going through old bugs would be a nice way to get folks involved who wouldn't submit patches for GBSD |
| 10:32 | drojf | thd: but then you have discussions there on the bug |
| 10:32 | slef | oleonard: from the documentation, "WONTFIX: The problem described is a bug which will never be fixed." which isn't really true if we're auto-closing with "please reopen if this is still a problem" |
| 10:32 | drojf | and see they are active |
| 10:33 | slef | drojf: would you be OK with RESOLVED REMIND instead of WONTFIX? |
| 10:33 | drojf | slef: definitely |
| 10:33 | kathryn | it might be poss to have the oldest bugs visible on the dashboard, if there's no objection to making old bugs more visible |
| 10:33 | paul_p | +1 for RESO REMIND |
| 10:33 | drojf | wontfix sounds cruel |
| 10:33 | kf | kathryn: I think rangi already did something similar to that |
| 10:33 | let's check :) | |
| 10:33 | kathryn | I was just looking for it...but my eyes are tired! |
| 10:34 | slef | drojf: hey don't blame me, you put it in your proposal |
| 10:34 | thd | POSSIBLY RESOLVED REMIN would be better |
| 10:34 | kf | kathryn: ah, oly for needs sign-off! |
| 10:34 | drojf | slef: :) |
| 10:34 | kf | #idea add oldest open bugs to koha's dashboard |
| 10:34 | it's late for you! | |
| 10:34 | ok | |
| 10:34 | oleonard | oldest open bugs with enhancements filtered out please! |
| 10:35 | kf | woudl someone volunteer to create a report/mail the mailing list? |
| 10:35 | thd | slef: Do you not think that RESOLVED REMIND is as misleading as WONTFIX? |
| 10:35 | kf | and yes,only bugs, not enhancements I would think |
| 10:35 | davidnind | I don't thing automatic closing is a good idea - people have put effort and time into creating. The minimum that should be done is reviewing it. I guess the issue is how this is done... |
| 10:35 | paul_p | +1 for only bugs in the dashboard |
| 10:35 | slef | thd: it's still not great, so I'd still prefer to try the mailing old bugs to -devel idea first, but it's better than WONTFIX. |
| 10:36 | kf: I volunteer. | |
| 10:36 | kf | slef: thank you! |
| 10:36 | #action slef volunteers to mail the mailing list with old bugs to review | |
| 10:36 | davidnind | What does RESOLVE REMIND mean? Doesn't make any sense to me me (but I'm not a developer...) |
| 10:36 | slef | I already have a script that does email and bugzilla. |
| 10:36 | kf | #idea prefer RESOLVED REMIND to RESOLVED WONTFIX |
| 10:36 | slef: sounds perfect :) | |
| 10:37 | slef | davidnind: it's not actually defined in the bugzilla help... but I see it as "ask us about this again later if you care about it" |
| 10:37 | davidnind | slef: thanks |
| 10:37 | kf | hm good description, we should put that on the wiki somewhere maybe |
| 10:37 | oleonard | I think all resolved remind does it possibly remind the original submitter since they should get an email notification of the change |
| 10:37 | thd | The presumption of RESOLVED seems mistaken to me. It should be unambiguously qualified. |
| 10:38 | oleonard | But resolved remind wouldn't show up in searches, so how is it found by others? |
| 10:38 | slef | thd: I look for improvements even in the possibilities I don't prefer. |
| 10:38 | oleonard: are you sure? | |
| 10:38 | oleonard | slef: No, I assume. |
| 10:38 | * slef | tests |
| 10:38 | thd | slef: What about POSSIBLY RESOLVED REMIND or some variant which is not certainly resolved. |
| 10:39 | kf | resolved doesn't show up - I just tested |
| 10:39 | slef | @query Incorrect encoding convertion in MARC record form |
| 10:39 | kf | thd: I think we shouldn't invent so many new things in bugzilla |
| 10:39 | huginn | slef: No results for "Incorrect encoding convertion in MARC record form." |
| 10:39 | paul_p | (but oleonard = would adding a status (something like "old bug to verify if it's still valid") please you to avoid "RESO - REMIND" ? |
| 10:39 | kf | thd: it gets painful |
| 10:39 | slef | oleonard: you're correct |
| 10:39 | paul_p | s/(but// |
| 10:39 | thd | kf: What do you mean by does not show up? |
| 10:39 | slef | that was bug 1634 |
| 10:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1634 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED REMIND, Incorrect encoding convertion in MARC record form |
| 10:40 | kf | if you search for keywords, the bug does not show up if it's marked resolved |
| 10:40 | only if you specify your search to make then | |
| 10:40 | or add ALL at the begining of your query | |
| 10:40 | slef | @query ALL Incorrect encoding convertion in MARC record form |
| 10:40 | huginn | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1634 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED REMIND, Incorrect encoding convertion in MARC record form |
| 10:40 | slef | I did not know that. |
| 10:41 | paul_p | but with ALL you'll also get RESO-FIXED & CLOSED, right ? |
| 10:41 | slef | probably most users will want to do ALL searches, so they can see it was fixed in version 3.X.Y and know what they want to upgrade to |
| 10:41 | this should be publicised more | |
| 10:41 | kf | ok, I think we put down some ideas and have a plan to try out - could we agree on moving to the next topic? |
| 10:41 | slef | </rant> |
| 10:41 | kf: yes, sorry boss. | |
| 10:42 | kf | just trying to make this not go forever :) |
| 10:42 | slef | kf: yes, sorry boss. |
| 10:42 | drojf | kf: sounds ok for me |
| 10:42 | kf | drojf: are you ok witht hat, as it was your proposal? |
| 10:42 | ah, ok | |
| 10:42 | drojf | :) |
| 10:42 | kf | #topic Actions from General IRC meeting, 5 December 2012 |
| 10:42 | Topic for #koha is now Actions from General IRC meeting, 5 December 2012 (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 10:42 | kf | not sure what goes here, someone? |
| 10:42 | drojf | but... that was last year! |
| 10:42 | * slef | scrabbles |
| 10:42 | * drojf | hides |
| 10:43 | kf | ok, the only action items I can see are: |
| 10:43 | people start thinking about if we have disabled any features by default that shouldn't be | |
| 10:43 | slef | Action Items ------------ * people start thinking about if we have disabled any features by default that shouldn't be |
| 10:43 | kf | so, have people thought about it? ;) |
| 10:43 | slef | anyone been thinking deeply about Koha over the holidays? ;-) |
| 10:43 | kf | I woudl like to see that as another reminder and encourage to file bugs if you have an idea :) |
| 10:43 | oleonard | I still think the time travel feature is too dangerous to enable by default |
| 10:44 | slef | #action people keep thinking about if we have disabled any features by default that shouldn't be |
| 10:44 | kf | oleonard: agreed, but we should have the beamer/transporter activated |
| 10:44 | ok | |
| 10:44 | test plans? | |
| 10:44 | drojf | ice |
| 10:44 | icu | |
| 10:44 | * drojf | hides even more |
| 10:45 | kf | # Test plans |
| 10:45 | drojf: I think we can't activate that by default as long as pakages don't support it as option | |
| 10:45 | #topic Test plans | |
| 10:45 | Topic for #koha is now Test plans (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 10:45 | kf | slef, thd? |
| 10:45 | thd | Where do test plans go? |
| 10:45 | drojf | kf: yes i actually mean the missing icu option in the packages |
| 10:45 | kf | into the commit message |
| 10:45 | slef | bug description/comments or commit messages? |
| 10:46 | kf | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Commit_messages |
| 10:46 | slef | I feel like I'd expect it in the bug description, not the commit messages. |
| 10:46 | kf | see the example for a good commit message there |
| 10:46 | drojf | i think jcamins_away would like to see them in the commit message |
| 10:46 | oleonard | If you use git-bz to attach patches your test plan will appear in Bugzilla automatically with the commit message |
| 10:46 | kf | slef: the problem is, they get rewritten, amended, etc. a lot, so it's quite hard to findon bugzilla |
| 10:46 | thd | Can the commit message be arbitrarily long? |
| 10:46 | kf | and I like to see in git how things work, test plans help with that there too |
| 10:47 | slef | thd: yes |
| 10:47 | kf | thd: I haven't heard someone reached a limit yet :) and I write pretty long commit messages when testing sometimes |
| 10:47 | I think if you have something really big, you could put a link to a wiki page | |
| 10:47 | paul_p | slef = hélas, as long as it's impossible to update description, we can't rely on the bug description, because the test plan changes between initial submission of the bug & the patch ! |
| 10:47 | drojf | if it is huge, have an rfc or something? |
| 10:47 | slef | Shouldn't a test plan should pertain to a bug, not to a patch? |
| 10:48 | kf | drojf: yep, that's what I think too |
| 10:48 | and paul_p: agreed | |
| 10:48 | oleonard | The test plan tells QA how to test the patch slef |
| 10:48 | slef | paul_p: last test plan wins? |
| 10:48 | paul_p | slef yep ;-) |
| 10:48 | kf | slef: often you find more problems ... than you initially thought there were |
| 10:48 | thd | slef: Test plans should relate to both a bug and a patch. |
| 10:48 | oleonard | Please keep in mind that the guidelines have already been set by the RM, so this discussion shouldn't be about whether to change it |
| 10:48 | kf | and some patches for one feature also endanger other parts, so test plans need to be a bit bigger |
| 10:49 | oleonard++ | |
| 10:49 | slef | oleonard: ok. |
| 10:49 | kf | and jcamins++ for good instructions :) |
| 10:49 | slef | oleonard: so one of the workflow and the commit messages wiki page is probably wrong, or do we want N(patches)+1 test plans for each bug? |
| 10:50 | kf | I think test plan describes more than one test |
| 10:50 | a series of steps and tests to do | |
| 10:50 | oleonard | The commit messages page should be considered the official version at this time. I don't know what other pages conflict with that advice |
| 10:51 | ColinC | Danger is lots of commit messages currently do not tell you what change they introduce |
| 10:51 | slef | oleonard: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]lines#Description |
| 10:51 | * kf | nods |
| 10:51 | slef | oleonard: not conflict exactly, but seems to duplicate |
| 10:52 | kf | ColinC: and it's taking too much time to find out |
| 10:52 | oleonard | Bug reporting is separate from commit messages I think |
| 10:52 | kf | yes, bug reporting is for everyone, we can help people there, also new developers |
| 10:52 | slef | kf: and http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Commit_messages doesn't tell people to say what changes they introduce. |
| 10:52 | kf | but I think haveing soe guidelines is good and makes you think about what you do even |
| 10:53 | A description of what problem the bug addresses, or what feature it adds. | |
| 10:53 | bug/feature description | |
| 10:53 | slef | #link http://www.gnu.org/prep/standa[…]le-of-Change-Logs |
| 10:53 | oleonard | You're right slef, and it should |
| 10:54 | kf | so more from the code side of things? |
| 10:54 | slef | #info that's not perfect for us, as it doesn't include the bug/feature summary, which is one thing we do better, but it does show how to describe the change fully |
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| 10:55 | slef | kf: I think that's what ColinC was driving at, but he'd have to confirm. |
| 10:55 | Can I also grumble about blank wiki commit messages here? ;-) | |
| 10:55 | kf | slef: thought you already did recently :) |
| 10:55 | drojf | again? :P |
| 10:56 | slef | hehe |
| 10:56 | kf | I am all for documentation |
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| 10:56 | kf | so maybe we could amend that it should also contain developer like descriptions of changes? |
| 10:56 | as well as functional description? | |
| 10:57 | slef | ok, final query from me on this: in the most common case (test plan from bugzilla still applies), should I repaste the test plan from the bugzilla, or write "see bugzilla"? |
| 10:57 | kf | repaste |
| 10:58 | oleonard | slef: Because someone may not be looking at Bugzilla, just applying patches using git-bz |
| 10:58 | kf | you never know what happens on bugzilla between you putting the patch there and me or somene else looking at it |
| 10:58 | drojf | +1 for repaste. more load on bugzilla but the latest infos in the latest entry |
| 10:58 | slef | oleonard: if they're not looking at Bugzilla, how do they know if the patch fixes the bug? |
| 10:58 | * slef | boggles |
| 10:59 | kf | it's all in the commit |
| 10:59 | message | |
| 10:59 | ideally | |
| 10:59 | slef | the commit message could be fibbing |
| 10:59 | oleonard | slef: RM or QA looking at Bugzilla emails for instance? |
| 10:59 | kf | oh yes |
| 10:59 | slef | and anyway, you still have to look at Bugzilla to mark it "Signed Off" |
| 10:59 | s/fibbing/misunderstanding the bug report | |
| 10:59 | kf | I have to read a gazillion of mails lately and more than happy to get a complete picture |
| 10:59 | oleonard | slef: git-bz! |
| 11:00 | kf | git-bz++ |
| 11:00 | ColinC | and it may not mention the other two bugs it inadvertantly fixed or the three it introduced |
| 11:00 | kf | ColinC: that's true |
| 11:00 | slef | oleonard: has someone extended it to edit the bugzilla fields and not bothered to send a pull request? |
| 11:00 | kf | you can't see relations betwee bugs (yet) |
| 11:00 | slef: there is a git-bz repo on kc-org now | |
| 11:00 | drojf | forkers :P |
| 11:01 | kf | ok, anything that should be added to the minutes? #info etc? |
| 11:01 | thd | paul_p: I think that your proposal to change bug status without necessarily changing resolution is much better than some hybrid non-standard resolution. |
| 11:03 | slef | kf: was that announced and I just missed it? |
| 11:03 | kf | slef: I am not sure |
| 11:03 | drojf | i didn't know |
| 11:03 | but that does not mean anything | |
| 11:03 | slef | ohhhh I see |
| 11:03 | * thd | about to be involuntarily disconnected |
| 11:03 | kf | #link http://git.koha-community.org/[…]-bz.git;a=summary |
| 11:04 | slef | people set up a repo on k-c because I wasn't including koha-specific changes (as I actually use git-bz for other things) |
| 11:04 | ? | |
| 11:04 | kf | maybe just set one pu because it's flexible |
| 11:04 | and a central place | |
| 11:05 | drojf | "Teach git-bz to optionally sign off when applying patches ... DO NOT USE THIS OPTION AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO ACTUALLY TESTING CODE." |
| 11:05 | * drojf | giggles |
| 11:06 | slef | argh, and it hardcodes koha-patches@... |
| 11:06 | kf | we have reached an hour now - i would like to sset the date/time for next meeting |
| 11:06 | davidnind | 6 February 2:00? (previous meetings: 7 Nov - 2:00, 5 Dec - 18:00, 9 Jan - 10:00) |
| 11:06 | kf | #topic Time/date for next meeting |
| 11:06 | Topic for #koha is now Time/date for next meeting (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 11:07 | drojf | ah, the evil time. go nuts with the date, will be in bed :) |
| 11:07 | kf | same here |
| 11:07 | davidnind: thx for looking upt eh times .) | |
| 11:07 | davidnind++ | |
| 11:07 | slef | slackers ;) |
| 11:07 | kathryn | evil must mean happy for me :) |
| 11:07 | kf | and noone who will be awake then is here? |
| 11:08 | I think something like 3/4 pm for you | |
| 11:08 | iirc | |
| 11:08 | slef | 6 Feb looks ok to me at the mo |
| 11:08 | kathryn | oh! 6 feb is public holiday in NZ so not ideal |
| 11:08 | drojf | oh. maybe better take a week later then |
| 11:08 | kf | kathryn: would 7th be ok? |
| 11:08 | slef | kathryn: move by a day or two weeks? |
| 11:09 | kf | I think having another meeting sooner is better, not postpone it too long |
| 11:09 | oleonard | That time is okay for me, but if it's bad for everyone else let's not do it then |
| 11:09 | slef | or you can go for 13th if you don't mind me missing |
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| 11:09 | kathryn | day either side is no worries for the Catalyst lot so far as I know :) |
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| 11:09 | slef | 7th? |
| 11:09 | wahanui | 7th is worth a try |
| 11:09 | drojf | oleonard: only bad for everyone else that likes today's time ;) |
| 11:09 | slef | thanks wahanui |
| 11:10 | davidnind | happy with day either side |
| 11:10 | kf | I never got to be friends with the new meeting times |
| 11:10 | JDatTeTakere | 7th is good |
| 11:10 | thd` | 7th is better for being well after ALA midwinter. |
| 11:10 | kf | ok, 7th |
| 11:10 | slef | wahanui: gerundio's stomach? |
| 11:10 | wahanui | gerundio's stomach is complaining too much |
| 11:10 | kf | #info Next meeting is 7 February 2:00 UTC |
| 11:10 | kathryn | (13th is fine too) |
| 11:10 | kf | hope that was right |
| 11:10 | :) | |
| 11:11 | davidnind | kf++ |
| 11:11 | kf | #endmeeting |
| 11:11 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org The next general meeting is 9 January 2013, at 10:00 UTC | |
| 11:11 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Jan 9 11:11:16 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 11:11 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-01-09-10.01.html | |
| 11:11 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]3-01-09-10.01.txt | |
| 11:11 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]09-10.01.log.html | |
| 11:11 | kf | thx all for being here - now back to work/bed! :) |
| 11:11 | paul_p | bye all |
| 11:11 | drojf | kf++ |
| 11:12 | * oleonard | returns to his breakfast |
| 11:12 | kathryn | thanks kf, bye all |
| 11:12 | JDatTeTakere | zzzzz...bed it is...work in 8 hours. |
| 11:12 | davidnind | thanks kf for chairing, off to bed (midnight here in NZ) |
| 11:12 | kf | sleep well nzers :) |
| 11:12 | kathryn | nightie night! |
| 11:13 | drojf | maybe we should have a deadline for news about kohacon or else give it to the second location? :P |
| 11:13 | slef | updated http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g,_9_January_2013 |
| 11:13 | Would someone else create the next meeting page, please? | |
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| 11:14 | oleonard | See you all in a couple of hours |
| 11:14 | slef | so, where do I report bugs in the k-c git-bz? |
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| 11:17 | slef | 3.12 RM? |
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| 11:17 | slef | wahanui: RM? |
| 11:17 | wahanui | RM is busy :) or paul_p |
| 11:20 | kf | this was a horrible time for US - maybe not fair |
| 11:21 | forget RM | |
| 11:21 | wahanui | kf: I forgot rm |
| 11:21 | kf | RM is jcamins |
| 11:21 | RM? | |
| 11:21 | wahanui | i think RM is jcamins |
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| 11:24 | Brooke | o/ |
| 11:24 | kf | hi Brooke |
| 11:25 | Brooke | Wie geht's? |
| 11:25 | kf | gut |
| 11:25 | und dir? | |
| 11:25 | Brooke | nicht so gut aber |
| 11:26 | slef | Toll! Ein Anderes Macht's! |
| 11:27 | kf | team? |
| 11:27 | slef | I just spotted another action not noted as an #action in the minutes of December's meeting. |
| 11:27 | kf | oh |
| 11:27 | I didn't chair that :P | |
| 11:27 | well not fair, I didn't chair because Iforgot.. and would probably have forgot that too | |
| 11:27 | slef | 18:44:51 <cait> i think if we advertise this [GPLv3 change], anyone intersted can show up next meeting |
| 11:27 | kf | ah |
| 11:27 | Brooke | heh, if you had a haypenny for each instance that happened, you'd be rich :P |
| 11:27 | slef | kf: sorry you don't escape that easy ;) |
| 11:27 | kf | it wasn't done becuse we already voted |
| 11:28 | that very meeting | |
| 11:28 | slef | Brooke: ha'penny = halfpenny, FWIW |
| 11:28 | Brooke | yep |
| 11:28 | slef | kf: oic. context fail. |
| 11:28 | Brooke | that ended up being removed from the wiki agenda, also |
| 11:30 | slef | mmmm so is it left for jcamins_away to drive? |
| 11:34 | kf | slef: ? |
| 11:34 | slef | the licence change |
| 11:36 | kf | I think it will be done on release probably |
| 11:52 | slef | kf: UK ICO backed down on implementing the cookie consent directive, so we stopped working on it. |
| 11:54 | kf | slef: seems it's a topic for spain/portugal now |
| 11:55 | slef | kf: oh right. Do you think they'll implement strict consent? |
| 11:59 | kf | don't know |
| 11:59 | you should ask gerundio maybe | |
| 12:12 | vfernandes | meeting is over? |
| 12:16 | kf | vfernandes: yes |
| 12:17 | there are minutes on the wiki | |
| 12:20 | vfernandes | one question: it's possible to have links in SQL reports |
| 12:23 | kf | vfernandes: yes |
| 12:23 | there is an example on the reports page I think | |
| 12:23 | reports library? | |
| 12:23 | wahanui | reports library is probably found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library |
| 12:23 | kf | you use concat + html |
| 12:23 | concat('<a href....',biblionumber,'...) | |
| 12:24 | it's very handy | |
| 12:25 | vfernandes | hummm thanks a lot kf |
| 12:26 | kf | here is a full example: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]rts_Library#Links |
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| 12:47 | vfernandes | works fine :) |
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| 12:52 | slef | so if we'd need to check about 2.8 old bugs per day to get through them in 3 months, how many would you like me to email out how often? |
| 12:53 | kf | slef: I think something like weekly maybe |
| 12:53 | but opinions might differe here :) | |
| 12:53 | and like...hm. 30? | |
| 12:53 | 25? | |
| 12:53 | slef | 2.8 * 7 = 19.6 |
| 12:54 | kf | I was hoping to get it done faster :) |
| 12:54 | 2.8*7 | |
| 12:54 | wahanui: 2.8*7 | |
| 12:54 | wahanui | 19.6 |
| 12:54 | slef | I'd also go for something other than 7 so that it changes day each time |
| 12:54 | and I'll probably vary the sending time too | |
| 12:54 | kf | oh |
| 12:55 | slef | if the batches get too big, will they all get checked? |
| 12:55 | kf | :) |
| 12:55 | drojf | you could vary the subject too. promise people stuff. free ipad, viagra... |
| 12:55 | kf | drojf: lol |
| 12:55 | slef | and do we think multiple people will check each one? |
| 12:55 | drojf | -1 for multiple people checking single ancient bugs |
| 12:56 | kf | slef: hm yeah, that's why a searched list would have been nice, can see what drops of by modification date |
| 12:56 | drops off | |
| 12:58 | slef | drojf: yeah but how do we stop it? |
| 12:59 | kf | encourage people to reply to the mail with a new list minus worked on bugs? |
| 12:59 | not ideal. | |
| 13:00 | drojf | how many people do we realistically think will work on that? and how many of those do not hang around here? |
| 13:00 | maybe a "i'll take a look at old_bug_number" on irc is enough? | |
| 13:01 | or some etherpad thingy like we had at gbsd sometimes | |
| 13:04 | or we spend 3 months writing a ticket system to hand out old bugs one by one ;) | |
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| 13:11 | slef | irc or etherpad should suffice |
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| 13:13 | oleonard | Hi again #koha |
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| 13:14 | oleonard | jcamins: Did you get the list of things we volunteered you to do during the meeting? |
| 13:14 | jcamins | oleonard: I'm looking for the minutes now. |
| 13:15 | oleonard | It's around here somewhere. Really long and complicated. |
| 13:15 | drojf | "do all the things" |
| 13:15 | wasn't that long | |
| 13:15 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 13:15 | oleonard | That's the one. |
| 13:15 | jcamins | Good, nothing of import. |
| 13:18 | slef | how about this lead-in text: "Would you check some of these rather old bugs to suggest what to do, please? Ideally, tell irc.oftc.net #koha know that you're looking at a bug." |
| 13:19 | drojf | i like it |
| 13:19 | jcamins | Sounds good. |
| 13:20 | jwagner | There was a meeting? |
| 13:20 | jcamins | And, thd, the reason test plans are absolutely mandatory is that the RM is not going to read through a patch to see what it does, whether or not it would be trivial. |
| 13:21 | jwagner: yeah, oleonard sent a message to the mailing list yesterday. | |
| 13:21 | * jwagner | goes to look |
| 13:21 | slef | jcamins: that wasn't the debate AIUI. |
| 13:22 | jcamins: it was why test plans should be repeated in the commit message rather than left on bz. | |
| 13:22 | jcamins | slef: see the above explanation. |
| 13:22 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8977' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ecfb0c5e8a23b8af5> |
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| 13:23 | oleonard | I created a basic wiki page for the next meeting with stock agenda items. Please feel free to edit, everyone. |
| 13:23 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…],_7_February_2013 | |
| 13:24 | drojf | oleonard++ |
| 13:24 | oh, it says kohacon. i'm excited | |
| 13:24 | slef | jcamins: but the commit message could be for a patch that misunderstands the bug report and so on. I feel QA should look at bz and RMs should read through patches, which is probably why I've not stood for those roles. |
| 13:24 | oleonard | drojf++ # because we don't downvote people for their opinions around here |
| 13:24 | slef | wahanui: 2.8*6 |
| 13:24 | wahanui | 16.8 |
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| 13:24 | jcamins | slef: I read through the patches, and I remove bugzilla. |
| 13:25 | slef | jcamins: remove bugzilla? |
| 13:25 | jcamins | *read through |
| 13:25 | However, as long as no one is paying me one red cent, I am not spending hours trying to figure out what the patches are _for_ or how to test them. | |
| 13:25 | slef | yay autocomplete |
| 13:26 | oleonard | Has anyone put together or found a saved Bugzilla search showing what bugs might be covered in a proposed mass closing? |
| 13:26 | jcamins | My time is much better spent actually testing things. |
| 13:26 | slef | oh sure I know it's all about reducing the load |
| 13:26 | oleonard: yes | |
| 13:26 | oleonard: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]t=advanced&v1=700 might be it | |
| 13:27 | not saved yet tbh | |
| 13:27 | if I save it, can I access it with a shorter URL? | |
| 13:27 | oleonard | Not much shorter, but you can share it with others |
| 13:27 | * slef | tries |
| 13:27 | oleonard | ...inside Bugzilla |
| 13:28 | slef | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]medcmd=old%20bugs |
| 13:28 | how do I share it? | |
| 13:29 | that doesn't work if I'm not logged in | |
| 13:29 | ah Preferences: Saved Searches | |
| 13:30 | still doesn't work from scripts :-/ | |
| 13:30 | is it possible to make them public? | |
| 13:32 | jcamins | Oh dear. Sounds like the flooring in Te Tekare buckled. |
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| 13:32 | slef | jcamins: which is Te Tekare? |
| 13:32 | jcamins | Jo's new library. |
| 13:33 | slef | not built on rubber blocks then? :-/ |
| 13:33 | jcamins | Apparently not. |
| 13:34 | oleonard | drojf: That right, the "academic" version has never been open |
| 13:35 | drojf | interesting. so what is between us and the software freedom law center? |
| 13:35 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1005 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 13:36 | jcamins | Agreement from more developers, I think. |
| 13:37 | H | Problem ---- all my search result dissapeared afther reindexing ? anny tips what that could be the indexing did not give an error before i could search my data aftherwards it was gone (koha 3.8.7) |
| 13:37 | slef | drojf: SFLC is an advice centre. I think thd-away asked them for advice in the past. |
| 13:37 | oleonard | And the notion that if they're "sharing" the code with the sponsoring library that counts? |
| 13:38 | jcamins | H: sounds like you might have run rebuild_zebra as the wrong user... what user did you use? |
| 13:38 | oleonard: that's what AGPL is for. | |
| 13:39 | H | koha user |
| 13:39 | wahanui | koha user is probably who should own the files after install (or some user that does most definitely not have root privileges) |
| 13:39 | slef | s/is for/is claimed to be for/ |
| 13:39 | jcamins | Whatever. |
| 13:40 | slef | ok, first attempt at old bugs report emailed |
| 13:40 | let me know what you think | |
| 13:42 | H | http://mibpaste.com/T5inJQ |
| 13:42 | drojf | oleonard: i doubt there is only liblime code in it so that does not make sense to me. re-use gpl code, be gpl, put source code on website for download. or use crazy own licence, don't use gpl code of others |
| 13:42 | jcamins | Myshking is walking back and forth on my desk hitting my chin with his forehead every time he passes. |
| 13:42 | oleonard | drojf: That is the result of thinking like a sane and rational person. |
| 13:42 | drojf | slef: SFLC provided lawyers for some cases |
| 13:43 | oleonard | drojf: Now try thinking like Smeagol. |
| 13:43 | drojf | oleonard: ah, that problem again ;) |
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| 13:43 | H | oeps dropped out of chat |
| 13:44 | drojf | The Software Freedom Law Center (SFLC) is an organization that provides pro bono legal representation and related services to not-for-profit developers of free software/open source software |
| 13:44 | jcamins | H: did anything change between the last time it worked and now? |
| 13:44 | drojf | what are "not for profit" developers? |
| 13:44 | people that work for free? | |
| 13:44 | or people that develop (and get paid) and put out the software for free | |
| 13:45 | H | i did add a bulk off data first |
| 13:45 | then to make sure it was indexed i did do the re indexing | |
| 13:46 | result empty screen | |
| 13:46 | jcamins | Oh, so there was no output from running rebuild_zebra? |
| 13:47 | H | yes was ok |
| 13:48 | http://mibpaste.com/c2ITOB | |
| 13:50 | slef | drojf: so what did you mean "what is between us and the [SFLC]"? |
| 13:50 | drojf: and yes, "not for profit" is an ambiguity people can (and do) drive trucks through. | |
| 13:51 | drojf: like, if you pay your chief exec a million euros a year but don't distribute any dividend to shareholders, you can claim to be "not for profit". | |
| 13:54 | drojf | understanding that koha is licensed under gpl and ll academic koha is licensed under ihavenoidea but uses gpl code i was wondering if that isn't exactly the kind of dispute the SFLC was created for |
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| 13:56 | oleonard | Hi libsysguy, you're looking well-rested ;) |
| 13:56 | libsysguy | I feel well rested |
| 13:56 | slef | drojf: yes but you'd need a ll academic koha purchaser to request the source code. Compare with GPL-Violations handling of routers. |
| 13:56 | libsysguy | my cat was late to wake me up |
| 13:57 | slef | drojf: AGPL debatably helps slightly with such cases, as it allows any user (and not only the server buyer) to request it, but it brings too many other complications for my taste. |
| 13:58 | drojf | slef: i assumed you would need a koha developer that knows his source code is used |
| 13:58 | slef | drojf: that too |
| 13:59 | drojf | i don't think anyone who knows the slightest about free software would purchase ll academic |
| 13:59 | slef | drojf: as we are the ones who can hold them to the licence or seek damages for infringement of our copyright, but we still need some licensee to try and fail to obtain source from their upstream ll |
| 14:00 | drojf: s/free// | |
| 14:00 | drojf: but hey, this is a market for lemons :( | |
| 14:01 | drojf | as a creator of free software you cannot yourself request the license being respected (as in "show me the source code you used it in")? |
| 14:02 | (or even "put that source code on your website for everyone to see") | |
| 14:05 | kf | H: is your zebrasrv running? |
| 14:05 | never mind...broken scrolling again | |
| 14:05 | jcamins | Actually, I was about to ask that. |
| 14:05 | drojf | scrolling does not "break" |
| 14:05 | jcamins | H: could you please confirm that zebrasrv is running? |
| 14:05 | drojf | or, how does scrolling break?? |
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| 14:06 | kf | drojf: wasn't the difference that they don't give the code to anyone but do only host? (no external servers?) |
| 14:07 | H | yes |
| 14:07 | kf | drojf: it stops autoscrolling |
| 14:07 | so I miss there is more to read | |
| 14:07 | H | was testing sorry |
| 14:07 | drojf | kf: oh, just stops? that's odd |
| 14:08 | kf: ah, now i understand. they say it is cloudbased and people do not install it themselves | |
| 14:10 | sorry, slow brain | |
| 14:12 | jcamins | To check, run `ps aux | grep zebrasrv` |
| 14:13 | slef | pgrep zebrasrv |
| 14:13 | H | ok did not wanna spawn |
| 14:13 | slef | found bug, fixed bug, resent old bug report |
| 14:13 | drojf | slef: what do you mean by complication AGPL brings? |
| 14:14 | complications even | |
| 14:14 | H | http://mibpaste.com/vve5zx |
| 14:14 | slef | drojf: no, licensors cannot force publication and only disclosure to themselves if they are also a licensee of the modified version. |
| 14:15 | drojf: the licensor's freedom to swing their arms stops at the licensee's noses. | |
| 14:15 | jcamins | H: that looks right to me, but you might try restarting Zebra. |
| 14:15 | H: how did you install Koha? | |
| 14:16 | slef | drojf: costs of downloading by all users, plus a couple of ambiguities in the licence - that's what the co-operative exceptions are intended to mitigate. |
| 14:16 | H | on that server manualy i had some help in the chat here (not with packages) |
| 14:17 | jcamins | In that case, you can restart Zebra with koha-zebra-ctl.sh. |
| 14:17 | H | not found |
| 14:17 | probably need a path | |
| 14:17 | jcamins | Yeah, I'm not sure where it is. |
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| 14:19 | slef | oleonard: what's your bugzilla email address? |
| 14:20 | H | ok he did restart |
| 14:20 | sudo /usr/share/koha/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh restart Restarting the Zebra Server | |
| 14:20 | reindexing again ? | |
| 14:21 | slef | found it nm |
| 14:21 | jcamins | You shouldn't need to reindex again. Do another search. |
| 14:21 | oleonard | slef: oleonardmyacpl.org |
| 14:21 | kf | slef++ for the mail |
| 14:21 | slef | old bug 3707 updated |
| 14:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3707 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Add system preference for customization of the OPAC login page |
| 14:23 | slef | is the Patron Reading History Paginated these days? |
| 14:23 | H | still nothing |
| 14:23 | wahanui | i heard nothing was a requirement, we have guidelines though |
| 14:23 | H | does the fact that i dont use the default framework for import has some influence ? |
| 14:23 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 14:23 | It shouldn't. | |
| 14:24 | oleonard | In the staff client it is paginated via JS plugin slef |
| 14:24 | jcamins | I can't figure out why it would have suddenly just stopped working. |
| 14:24 | H | reimport and try again ? |
| 14:24 | but i had the problem before | |
| 14:24 | slef | updating http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2647 |
| 14:24 | huginn | 04Bug 2647: enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Make Patron Reading History be Paginated |
| 14:24 | jcamins | I thought this was a new problem? |
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| 14:25 | H | i tried a few times |
| 14:25 | it always dissapear afther indexing | |
| 14:25 | slef | oleonard: any idea on the OPAC? |
| 14:25 | jcamins | In that case, I think perhaps your records are corrupted. |
| 14:25 | kf | customuzing templates? |
| 14:26 | H | yes |
| 14:26 | slef | kf: should have been customising |
| 14:26 | oleonard | slef: It is not in the OPAC |
| 14:26 | kf | slef: that's a really bad idea you know |
| 14:26 | the typo was mine | |
| 14:26 | slef | kf: but still possible. We should support child themes if we don't already but I'm not even going to suggest that one. |
| 14:26 | kf | for translations and for updates - because you will need to maintain your own po files too |
| 14:27 | yeah, but it's even more horrible if you have more than one language to maintain | |
| 14:27 | H | ok i keep searching maybe i find a sollution |
| 14:27 | kf | and all our customers are at least using German and English |
| 14:27 | slef | kf: oh actually they'd be better off doing that as a en-XX language and merging in updates from en-GB or whatever. |
| 14:27 | kf | ? |
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| 14:28 | slef | kf: if they want to use odd language, define their own po file containing the odd language. |
| 14:28 | kf | we don't use custom po files |
| 14:28 | but if you mess with the templates, you would have to | |
| 14:29 | slef | it would be better to not mess with the templates and still create a custom po file, no? |
| 14:29 | kf | why would youwant a custom po? it's nightmarish :) |
| 14:30 | oleonard | kf: Not if you're just changing certain sections of an existing translation, no? |
| 14:30 | * oleonard | has never tried it |
| 14:30 | slef | kf: purely to fix what they perceive as bug 3707 |
| 14:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3707 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Add system preference for customization of the OPAC login page |
| 14:31 | slef | would I be right to say that the WONTFIX that by adding a system preference? |
| 14:31 | ...that we WONTFIX... | |
| 14:32 | has the label printer been changed since 2008-08-09? | |
| 14:32 | (I'm looking at bug 2499) | |
| 14:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2499 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Improvement on text wrapping algorithm needed |
| 14:32 | oleonard | chris_n doesn't seem to be interested in working on that anymore |
| 14:33 | kf | oleonard: it's doable, but you will have to think about the change every time you update koha |
| 14:33 | oleonard: and especially in that place, every library wants their own text | |
| 14:34 | oleonard | Maybe jwagner can provide a rebased patch for Bug 3474 |
| 14:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3474 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Handling of and report for expired or cancelled holds, display expiration dates |
| 14:36 | slef | e751044 f4d4622 6860310 |
| 14:36 | 9755514 | |
| 14:37 | so the new label creator was summer 2009 | |
| 14:37 | updating the bug | |
| 14:37 | kf | oleonard: hm not sure, but hasn't that seen some changes since? |
| 14:37 | oleonard | kf: holds expirations? |
| 14:38 | kf | forget it, I am tired today |
| 14:40 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1005: SUCCESS in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1005/ |
| 14:40 | stephane.delaune: Bug 8977:replace unitialized directory var in printoverdues | |
| 14:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8977 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , printoverdues.sh call an uninitialized variable |
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| 14:59 | nengard | hi all, i'm trying to find the new GetMarcNotes preference but I don't see it ? I didn't have the new File::Find::Rule Perl module (I must have installed it on my other computer not this one) until now ? was that needed to get Koha to prompt me for a db upgrade? |
| 15:00 | bug 9162 | |
| 15:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9162 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Master , Add a system preference to set which notes fields appears on title notes/description separator |
| 15:00 | nengard | oh look the pref name is wrong |
| 15:00 | NotesBlacklist | |
| 15:00 | jcamins | File::Find::Rule isn't actually required anymore. |
| 15:01 | I should remove it from the list. | |
| 15:01 | nengard | oh okay |
| 15:01 | jcamins the commit message on the bug has the wrong preference name | |
| 15:01 | just fyi for the release notes | |
| 15:01 | jcamins | It doesn't list the preference name. |
| 15:02 | nengard | in the commit body it does |
| 15:02 | jcamins | No it doesn't. That's the name of the routine that retrieves MARC notes. |
| 15:03 | nengard | oh ?. well that's confusing |
| 15:03 | okay | |
| 15:03 | jcamins | This is why newer patches are required to have detailed commit messages. |
| 15:18 | chris_n | oleonard: kf is correct, text wrapping is a moving target |
| 15:18 | what I wrote works in "most" cases, but can get messy | |
| 15:20 | kf | huh? |
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| 15:21 | chris_n | <oleonard> chris_n doesn't seem to be interested in working on that anymore |
| 15:21 | <kf> oleonard: it's doable, but you will have to think about the change every time you update koha | |
| 15:21 | <kf> oleonard: and especially in that place, every library wants their own text | |
| 15:21 | oleonard | chris_n: That was in regards to custom translations |
| 15:21 | chris_n | or did I splice together two unrelated threads of conversation? :-P |
| 15:22 | kf | maybe |
| 15:22 | chris_n | in any case, that's the long and short of it |
| 15:22 | kf | not sure where to sort in text wrapping |
| 15:22 | chris_n | text wrapping depends on lots of parameters which the current code does not account for |
| 15:22 | but it works in "most" cases, as I said | |
| 15:23 | kf | text wrapping of what? |
| 15:23 | chris_n | at this point it will take time+money to fix (with emphasis on time) |
| 15:23 | labels text | |
| 15:23 | kf | oh |
| 15:23 | chris_n | particularly title fields |
| 15:23 | kf | I wasn't talking about labels |
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| 15:27 | chris_n | since the catalogers within who's reach I dwell seem relatively content atm, it just remained at the bottom of my filo todo buffer |
| 15:27 | jatara | Hi, all. Have a question if you have a minute. |
| 15:27 | * chris_n | wonders briefly about the plural possessive of who |
| 15:28 | jcamins | "whose" |
| 15:29 | jatara: go ahead and ask your question. If someone can help, they will. | |
| 15:29 | chris_n | I hate irregular words |
| 15:30 | jatara | I'm trying to add links to reports to our news section. Problem is, the links work fine when I'm viewing the table of news items in the tools section, but they return 404 errors when you click on the links directly from the news item. |
| 15:30 | oleonard | jatara: Sounds like a problem with the path in the link |
| 15:31 | jatara: Is it a root-relative or fully-qualified URL? | |
| 15:31 | jatara | fully qualified |
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| 15:32 | oleonard | How do the links differ in each place? You can try copying the link and pasting them to compare (since the 404 error rewrites the location) |
| 15:34 | jatara | ohhh...that's interesting |
| 15:35 | what it SHOULD be: http://koha-staff.pisd.edu:808[…]n%20this%20report | |
| 15:35 | what i see on the news item: http://koha-staff.pisd.edu:808[…]n%20this%20report | |
| 15:36 | how is that possible? I used the news interface to add this link. | |
| 15:36 | and if i go to the news interface, it works fine (link #1) | |
| 15:37 | jcamins | Sounds like a relative rather than absolute URL. |
| 15:37 | oleonard | Are you looking at the rich text version? Perhaps check the source in the news editor? |
| 15:37 | (click the "html" button) | |
| 15:40 | jatara | That worked! I cut and pasted the full URL, not realizing that the software was going to truncate my entry. The truncating process went a little too far, but everything works now. |
| 15:40 | Thank you! | |
| 15:41 | oleonard | You're welcome |
| 15:46 | nengard | kf you said bywater site was slow for you before - is it better now that we upgraded? |
| 15:48 | oleonard | Seems speedy to me nengard, FWIW |
| 15:48 | nengard | yeah it does to me too! |
| 15:48 | Loving it | |
| 15:48 | :) | |
| 15:49 | kf | nengard: I will try :) |
| 15:49 | nengard: a bit | |
| 15:49 | but it might not be the website itself, but something with networks | |
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| 16:07 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org The next general meeting is 7 February 2013, at 2:00 UTC | |
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| 16:09 | slef | chris_n: kitten kebabs are irregular words |
| 16:28 | gmcharlt | kitten kebabs? scrollback must be *very* interesting |
| 16:40 | vfernandes | people what you think about this new OPAC design? http://keep.dyndns.biz:8054 |
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| 16:40 | oleonard | Looks great vfernandes |
| 16:40 | jcamins | vfernandes: nice! |
| 16:40 | Hi, sekjal. | |
| 16:40 | sekjal | hi, jcamins |
| 16:40 | kf | yes, looks nice .) |
| 16:40 | gmcharlt | vfernandes: looks very nice indeed |
| 16:40 | jatara | When I create a new report, is there a way to increase the number of rows displayed on the screen. I want to be able to see all my results on one page |
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| 16:41 | vfernandes | I can't see no more CSS :D |
| 16:43 | sekjal | quite the auspicious day: happy birthday paul_p, bag and libsysguy! |
| 16:43 | libsysguy | indeed |
| 16:43 | and thank you | |
| 16:44 | bag | hey sekjal |
| 16:44 | THANKS! | |
| 16:44 | oleonard | Happy birthday to the three of you. We got you each one third of a cake! |
| 16:44 | bag | how you been sekjal ? |
| 16:44 | gmcharlt | wow |
| 16:45 | happy birthday! | |
| 16:45 | sekjal | bag: doing alright. starting to get into some open hardware projects |
| 16:45 | paul_p | sekjal thanks |
| 16:45 | gmcharlt | (while the cats the away, the mice will play - I've fixed the needs signoff link on the dashboard) |
| 16:45 | bag | thanks oleonard and gmcharlt |
| 16:45 | * libsysguy | doesn't like this cake sharing idea oleonard |
| 16:45 | paul_p | bag = happy birthday ! |
| 16:45 | bag | hey there is paul_p - happy birthday to you! |
| 16:45 | libsysguy | happy bday paul_p and bag |
| 16:45 | paul_p | libsysguy = it's your birthday to ? wow, should we ask this requirement to be a QA team member ? :D |
| 16:46 | sekjal | I propose we make today some kind of official Koha-liday |
| 16:46 | bag | heh |
| 16:46 | paul_p | happy birthday libsysguy |
| 16:46 | libsysguy | I think on you're cake day all your patches pass!! |
| 16:46 | jcamins | Yes, I suggest that it be International QAing Day! |
| 16:46 | nengard | hehe |
| 16:47 | paul_p | a (real life joke) = yesterday, my wife bought for me a ... anti-aging cream. Nice birthday gift :\ (I'm 45 today) |
| 16:47 | bag | HA |
| 16:47 | libsysguy | HA |
| 16:47 | slef | sekjal has been scaring rails users ;) |
| 16:47 | gmcharlt | paul_p_wife++ ;) |
| 16:47 | libsysguy | Anna got me a new kitchen sink |
| 16:48 | paul_p | sophie (our support team manager) told me this morning "it's a prevention measure Paul, don't worry" :D |
| 16:48 | libsysguy | I'll take it over any wrinkle cream |
| 16:48 | jcamins | lol |
| 16:48 | Looks like I may be getting a new kitchen floor soon. | |
| 16:48 | libsysguy | really? |
| 16:48 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 16:48 | libsysguy | what are you putting in? |
| 16:48 | jcamins | Our upstairs neighbor flooded our kitchen Thursday night. |
| 16:48 | libsysguy | and didn't the bathtub get ruined too ;) |
| 16:48 | sekjal | slef: if only I could scare folks away from Ruby on Rails entirely.... |
| 16:48 | * sekjal | is not a fan |
| 16:49 | jcamins | The insurance adjuster came, looked around and said "right, the entire floor has got to go." |
| 16:49 | Stupid laminate that traps moisture underneath it. | |
| 16:49 | Yeah, but the bathtub problems predated our insurance policy. | |
| 16:49 | libsysguy | damn |
| 16:51 | Dyrcona | sekjal: Just tell them jcamins story, but say Ruby on Rails caused it. |
| 16:51 | jcamins | lol |
| 16:53 | rambutan | Happy Birthday to the Three! |
| 16:54 | sekjal: doing anything with 3D printers (open hardware)? | |
| 16:54 | sekjal | rambutan: a friend has purchased one, so I'm pondering what to commission |
| 16:55 | my library may also be considering one | |
| 16:55 | rambutan | we're trying to get into the biz |
| 16:55 | jcamins | sekjal: ... something that runs Koha? :) |
| 16:55 | rambutan | you could print a Pi case, and run Koha on it |
| 16:55 | sekjal | though given the amount of work my friend has to do to get his Replicator 2 to run, we may need a dedicated staff member |
| 16:55 | rambutan: yes! | |
| 16:56 | slef | a koru-shaped Pi case? |
| 16:57 | rambutan | that might look cool? |
| 16:57 | sekjal | I'm sure there could be something neat done with Arduinos in the stacks... perhaps emitting some kind of homing signal? |
| 16:59 | write a mobile app that can listen to pings coming from the Arduino, so you can guide a person to a book... | |
| 17:00 | jatara | Is there a way I can increase the number of results (rows) from a report on my screen? |
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| 17:03 | oleonard | jatara: I don't think so |
| 17:03 | jatara: For printing? | |
| 17:03 | jatara | Yes, for printing |
| 17:03 | don't want to page through the rows..just have them all on one screen | |
| 17:05 | oleonard | jatara: The CSV download option won't work for you? |
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| 17:07 | jatara | It works fine, but our librarians prefer to be able to print the whole thing out without having to go through that extra step. |
| 17:08 | oleonard | The reports system is designed to prevent the possibility of returning a result set so large that it would crash your browser |
| 17:10 | jatara | I can understand that. I just want to be able to retrieve a result set of no more than 50-60 and have them display on the same page. |
| 17:13 | oleonard | sorry, I don't think it's possible without changing the way Koha works. |
| 17:17 | reiveune | bye |
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| 17:18 | jatara | Thanks so much. |
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| 17:34 | slef | oleonard: so it would be an enhancement request? |
| 17:34 | * slef | runs |
| 17:35 | oleonard | It certainly could be. |
| 17:35 | * oleonard | has no problem with enhancement requests |
| 17:40 | jatara | Yep...enhancement request. Will send to our support company. |
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| 17:59 | sekjal | gtg; NISO webinar |
| 18:00 | * oleonard | reminds sekjal too late to B his OB |
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| 18:21 | Shane-S | I am having issue with the label maker for barcodes, the PDFs are coming up invalid. Just started happening today, I restarted the server and still have this issue Koha Version:3.08.03.000 |
| 18:22 | Anything I can try or check, it generates the PDF but adobe and Sumatra PDF readers error on the file. I can upload the file somewhere if need be | |
| 18:27 | chris_n | Shane-S: open the corrupt pdf in a text editor and paste the error |
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| 18:31 | rambutan | Koha 3.08.05.000. In the log viewer, when I click on an Item under the info column which has no associated transaction number... |
| 18:31 | I get "Software error: Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/Items.pm line 1396." | |
| 18:31 | I don't see this listed as a known bug, am I missing it? | |
| 18:32 | selecting an item with a transaction number (is that what it is?) does work as expected | |
| 18:32 | jcamins | rambutan: I don't recall hearing a bug like that. |
| 18:32 | Those should be item/biblio numbers. | |
| 18:34 | rambutan | ah, correct |
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| 18:39 | rambutan | http://imageshack.us/photo/my-[…]es/829/circ2.png/ |
| 18:39 | jcamins | Maybe those are items you have deaccessioned? |
| 18:39 | That looks really weird. | |
| 18:40 | rambutan | but in any event that error message should be more informative |
| 18:40 | jcamins | Agreed, but I have no idea why there's an error message at all. |
| 18:40 | And I was wrong, because there are five entries for 10135, and only one of them is missing a barcode. | |
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| 18:45 | Shane-S | chris_n: Wide character in compress at /usr/share/perl5/PDF/Reuse.pm line 819 |
| 18:45 | sorry ti took me so long got interrupted | |
| 18:46 | chris_n | it looks like you are running afoul of the unicode problem in the pdf stuff |
| 18:46 | it may also be a bad marc record | |
| 18:47 | in either case, if you can locate and isolate the offending record, you should be able to print | |
| 18:47 | unless you have lots of diacriticals and non-latin chars | |
| 18:48 | in which case the pdf based tools are probably useless for you | |
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| 18:48 | Shane-S | okay, well it was a batch so I will have to see what is in it |
| 18:49 | chris_n | iirc you can export each item in a batch by itself; time-consuming if you have large batches though |
| 18:54 | Shane-S | chris_n: found it the webinterface have diamond with a question mark |
| 18:54 | removed that item and it worked | |
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| 19:28 | Dyrcona | jcamins: That little vineyard in Marlborough is looking might attractive right now. |
| 19:28 | jcamins | lol |
| 19:28 | Dyrcona | ^might^mighty |
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| 19:29 | jcamins | You can alternate your time between crushing grapes and crushing bugs. |
| 19:30 | oleonard | Presumably sometimes both |
| 19:30 | Dyrcona | Weta bugs.... |
| 19:30 | * Dyrcona | is the "Chief Bug Wrangler" for Evergreen, btw. |
| 19:31 | jcamins | Still, despite having resigned twice since I started lurking on #evergreen. |
| 19:31 | Dyrcona | That's it! I'll have a cricket farm.... Cricket! It's the new chicken! |
| 19:31 | druthb | eeeewwwww |
| 19:31 | jcamins | Better to farm locusts... they're kosher. |
| 19:32 | druthb | grossgrossgross... |
| 19:32 | jcamins | Crickets are not due to the height of their legs compared to their wingspan or something like that. |
| 19:32 | wizzyrea | ...they don't have cloven hooves, I guess that's cool |
| 19:32 | jcamins | Meanwhile #evergreen is actually doing serious work. |
| 19:32 | wizzyrea | hey I just started my day ;) |
| 19:32 | Dyrcona | Locusts...bet I could farm them without much real work.... ;) |
| 19:33 | jcamins | wizzyrea: me too, and I've been around for 6 hours. :( |
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| 19:36 | oleonard | I can't remember, what did we volunteer wizzyrea for during the meeting? |
| 19:36 | jcamins | oleonard: fixing ALL THE THINGS! |
| 19:36 | cait | hi #koha |
| 19:36 | oleonard: cleaning out 50 bugs I think | |
| 19:37 | of the old ones | |
| 19:37 | :P | |
| 19:38 | jcamins | Wow, I have to say that the specification for field 034 $d-$g is remarkably unhelpful. |
| 19:38 | wizzyrea | hm |
| 19:39 | jcamins | I figured out what I needed eventually. |
| 19:39 | * chris_n | contributes a few mealworm patties to the bug conversation |
| 19:39 | cait | wizzyrea: did you see the email on the list asking about the routing list mails? |
| 19:40 | jcamins | But the prescriptive instructions which are actually just descriptive are not very helpful. |
| 19:41 | wizzyrea | ha no |
| 19:41 | I haven't gotten there yet | |
| 19:43 | cait | @marc 034 |
| 19:43 | huginn | cait: The coded form of the mathematical data contained in field 255 (Mathematical Data Area) of the bibliographic record. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,j,k,m,n,p,r,s,t,x,y,z,2,6,8] |
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| 19:43 | cait | oh |
| 19:43 | wizzyrea | ha that is hilariously the exact same question I got just 3 days ago |
| 19:43 | cait | jcamins: and you say I have weird libraries? :) |
| 19:43 | jcamins | cait: you do. |
| 19:43 | cait | yours are weirder :) |
| 19:49 | * wizzyrea | does a righteous copy/paste to answer that question |
| 19:49 | wizzyrea | oh fooey |
| 19:49 | because I so daftly attached screenshots my message is in moderation | |
| 19:49 | is there anyone around who can release it? | |
| 19:51 | @wunder wgtn | |
| 19:51 | huginn | wizzyrea: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | @wunder wellington, nz |
| 19:51 | huginn | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 20.0°C (8:00 AM NZDT on January 10, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | hm really |
| 19:51 | again, they don't mention the rather forceful winds. | |
| 19:52 | temp is nice tho | |
| 19:52 | ooh gust of 87km/h | |
| 19:52 | khall | jcamins and anybody else interested, new Plugin system code is posted on bug 7804 . Be warned, it is not completed, but is completely usable! |
| 19:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7804 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, In Discussion , Add Koha Plugin System |
| 19:52 | wizzyrea | average is 57km/h |
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| 19:56 | maximep | I can't wait for this plugin system! |
| 19:56 | jcamins | Then test it! |
| 19:57 | Karma for anyone tests bug 7804! | |
| 19:57 | * jcamins | awaits the hordes of testers descending on bug 7804... |
| 19:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7804 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, In Discussion , Add Koha Plugin System |
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| 20:15 | jcamins | khall: bad news... I have spotted a few issues: 1) merge marker in sysprefs.sql (easy to fix, for when you upload the next iteration), 2) there doesn't seem to be a way to disable plugins by editing the koha-conf.xml file, 3) there don't appear to be any links to the plugin pages, 4) there should be a detailed test plan. |
| 20:16 | Oh, look, there's a new patch addressing those things. | |
| 20:16 | Thanks. | |
| 20:16 | khall | There still a long todo list, I'll fix the merge marker right now |
| 20:17 | jcamins | Why did you use Config::General instead of Config::Simple? I have no preference, just wondering. |
| 20:17 | khall | actually, that's a dead dependency. It needs removed |
| 20:18 | and new deps need added | |
| 20:24 | fixed, i also removed the dead deps and I think all the new ones have been added | |
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| 21:36 | wizzyrea | does it seem odd that if a native koha user exists with a username and password, if using LDAP, a second, duplicate user will be created with the same username and password when that user logs in (for the first time, it doesn't keep creating duplicates) |
| 21:36 | this is a bug, right? | |
| 21:36 | or, this isn't behaviour that we should be expecting. | |
| 21:37 | cait | that sounds evil |
| 21:37 | especially the doubled up user name in the database | |
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| 21:37 | wizzyrea | yea, that's what I thought |
| 21:37 | jcamins | That's a bug. |
| 21:37 | What version are you seeing it in? | |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | this is gonna be.... 3.8 |
| 21:37 | one sec for revision | |
| 21:38 | 3.8.7 | |
| 21:39 | for example, we migrated a library from sirsi | |
| 21:39 | so we had borrowers existing, then when they logged in, they were getting dupes with higher borrowernumbers | |
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| 21:39 | wizzyrea | but the same login credentials |
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| 21:40 | cait | wizzyrea: there is a bug for username no being forced to be unique |
| 21:40 | I have seen some weird thing once with doubled up user names | |
| 21:40 | I ended up in the wrong patron account | |
| 21:40 | wizzyrea | were they using external authentication? |
| 21:40 | like ldap or CAS | |
| 21:41 | cait | no |
| 21:41 | patron import does do that too :( | |
| 21:41 | the field in the database is not unique | |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | ew |
| 21:41 | that is very not super ungood | |
| 21:41 | er | |
| 21:41 | cait | heh |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | no that's a double negative. |
| 21:41 | cait | yeah |
| 21:41 | I get you :) | |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | very super bad. |
| 21:41 | let's just go with that. | |
| 21:43 | ha and you can't edit that dupe patron because the interface claims it's username is already used. | |
| 21:43 | so the interface would enforce unique usernames | |
| 21:43 | but the db doesn't | |
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| 21:43 | wizzyrea | that erm... seems not good. |
| 21:44 | * wizzyrea | wonders why ldap doesn't look to see if there is already one, and insert it's data into the existing user. |
| 21:46 | * jcamins | is thinking big huge bad awful bug. |
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| 21:48 | jcamins | The rutabaga bisque is cooking now. |
| 21:48 | wizzyrea | noice |
| 21:48 | ok well, I'm going to file this bug then. | |
| 21:48 | jcamins | I'm thinking I might also make some sweet potato biscuits. |
| 21:48 | wizzyrea | well look for an existing one that needs to be bumped. |
| 21:49 | bug 8148 is kind of related | |
| 21:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8148 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , ldap authentication should FAIL if ldap contains NEW password, and user types the PREVIOUS password |
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| 21:50 | jcamins | I can call dinner the "First Agonalia Bisque & Biscuit." |
| 21:50 | Dyrcona | :) |
| 21:50 | jcamins | Or "iPhone Anniversary Bisque & Biscuit," but I think the first is better. |
| 21:50 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 21:51 | Dyrcona | jcamins: You're making me hungry, and it's an hour until I can get home to the crickets...... |
| 21:51 | jcamins | One of the nice things about working from home. |
| 21:52 | We're also having leftover balsamic caramelized onion and mushroom and herb crostini. | |
| 21:55 | druthb | Dyrcona: to the crickets? EW. |
| 21:55 | jcamins | "Balsamic, bisque & biscuit"? |
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| 22:02 | cait | jcamins: don't make me hungry :) |
| 22:02 | jcamins | cait: what did you eat for dinner? |
| 22:02 | cait | hm |
| 22:03 | plum pie (in the cafe where I tried to learn until they kicked me out) | |
| 22:03 | well and some toast with things | |
| 22:03 | boring :) | |
| 22:03 | jcamins | Crostini! |
| 22:03 | Call it crostini and suddenly it's interesting. :) | |
| 22:04 | cait | hehe |
| 22:12 | wizzyrea | all right, bug 9375 |
| 22:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9375 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Logging in with LDAP creates duplicate users |
| 22:12 | cait | wizzyrea++ |
| 22:27 | good night all | |
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