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| 01:25 | eythian | anyone have a copy of the group photo from KohaCon in Edinburgh? |
| 01:25 | wizzyrea | i am CERTAIN it is on a website somewhere - maybe even koha-community.org |
| 01:26 | eythian | ah yep, found it |
| 01:26 | wizzyrea | sweet :) |
| 01:26 | eythian | wahanui: kohacon |
| 01:26 | wahanui | eythian: what? |
| 01:26 | eythian | wahanui: kohacon photo |
| 01:26 | wahanui | eythian: excuse me? |
| 01:26 | eythian | wahanui: kohacon photo is http://www.flickr.com/photos/nengard/7162934703/ |
| 01:26 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 01:28 | jcamins_away | wizzyrea++ |
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| 01:44 | wizzyrea | what'd I do |
| 01:44 | >.> | |
| 01:44 | <.< | |
| 01:44 | jcamins | The patch. |
| 01:44 | wahanui | rumour has it the patch is pretty old now, good luck |
| 01:44 | wizzyrea | OH |
| 01:44 | well yes :) | |
| 01:44 | i'm still sorting out the last part of that. | |
| 01:44 | (barcode) | |
| 01:45 | because that still submits the form wrongly | |
| 01:45 | drojf1 joined #koha | |
| 01:45 | wizzyrea | but whatever. |
| 02:40 | jcamins | Awesome! |
| 02:41 | When I intentionally misconfigure QP, I get lousy search results, but no horrible error messages. | |
| 02:55 | Uploaded. | |
| 03:01 | Okay, folks. Come and get it while it's hot! | |
| 03:01 | QueryParser! | |
| 03:01 | Bug 9239! | |
| 03:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries |
| 03:02 | wizzyrea | ooo! |
| 03:02 | jcamins | Try it, you'll like it! |
| 03:03 | And while you're at it, sign off on bug 9183. | |
| 03:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9183 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , C4::Search should only have one ZOOM event loop |
| 03:03 | jcamins | Oh, it's already signed off. |
| 03:07 | * wizzyrea | makes a mad face at bugzilla |
| 03:55 | mtj | hey peepz, anyone about for a random foreign-key brain-slap… ? |
| 03:56 | eythian | wahanui: ask |
| 03:56 | wahanui | Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 03:56 | mtj | i think ive found the cause of this bug 8471 |
| 03:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8471 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , loading an sql file into mysql, often fails when loading the 'letter' table |
| 03:56 | eythian | :) |
| 03:56 | oh hey, that'd be good. | |
| 03:56 | that one always bugs me | |
| 03:57 | mtj | it's poss. a glitchy fk constraint in mysql-struct.sql |
| 03:57 | heres a fix -> http://git.kohaaloha.com/?p=he[…]aa417b89cb0adac03 | |
| 03:58 | the 'branchcode' column refered too, in the FK constraint does not exist? | |
| 03:59 | so, thats my hunch… i was curious on someone elses opinionion | |
| 04:02 | so, if you load /installer/data/mysql/kohastructure.sql into a db, then a koha.sql - you get that error | |
| 04:02 | eythian | I'm surprised it lets the FK be created in the first place then |
| 04:02 | mtj | $ mysql koha < /installer/data/mysql/kohastructure.sql |
| 04:02 | eythian | ah |
| 04:02 | yeah, that sounds quite plausible | |
| 04:02 | mtj | $ mysql koha < ./my-koha.sql |
| 04:02 | ERROR 1005 (HY000) at line 3237: Can't create table 'koha.letter' (errno: 150) | |
| 04:02 | but, after applying the patch… no error | |
| 04:03 | eythian | tricky |
| 04:03 | when you submit a patch, document the hell out of it giving examples of error messages. I've spent a bit of time googling that error to figure it out without success. | |
| 04:03 | wajasu | http://schema.koha-community.o[…]e_transports.html |
| 04:05 | mtj | wajasu, aaah perfect :) |
| 04:06 | the 'letter' table contains no 'branchcode' column, so its a glitchy FK | |
| 04:07 | eythian, hell yeah, ive spent a buncha time too :/ | |
| 04:07 | eythian | it does contain the branchcode column in the schema link |
| 04:07 | wajasu | note: Generated by SchemaSpy on Fri Sep 28 09:20 NZST 2012 |
| 04:08 | so maybe we should ask rangi to regenerate it since the release. | |
| 04:09 | mtj | i wonder if we (aka rangi) could get SchemaSpy to do a nightly cron refresh? |
| 04:10 | does the refresh take so long, that its a no-go? | |
| 04:10 | eythian | dunno, not particularly wrong as far as I know |
| 04:10 | *long | |
| 04:11 | wajasu | i've run it and it churns for about 10 to 20 minutes i recall. |
| 04:11 | mtj | re: 8471, i guess i might need to look for other references to letter.branchcode |
| 04:12 | is the fix... correct the FK , or add the missing 'branchcode' column?! | |
| 04:14 | rangi, what you think? re: SchemaSpy nighly cron | |
| 04:15 | wajasu | if the branchcode was recently removed, maybe the schemspy is out of date. i would look at the git history to see who might have changed the structure/contstraint. |
| 04:17 | mtj | bah, letter.branchcode *does* exist after all |
| 04:17 | http://schema.koha-community.o[…]ables/letter.html | |
| 04:18 | eythian | it's not a new bug, it's been there for a long time |
| 04:20 | mtj | yeah, it has indeed :/ |
| 04:21 | wajasu | well, it seems as if letters are sent cross-branch, where it might have been per-branch before? |
| 04:22 | mtj | its such a random bug to reproduce even |
| 04:23 | 'show engine innodb status' seems to show that its the 'message_transports_ibfk_3' constraint, that its barfing on | |
| 04:25 | wajasu | if they removed the constraint for the branchcode, chances are you will get the error when just module and code are specified. |
| 04:26 | for a DB that has the prior dataset. | |
| 04:27 | i suspect the branchcode is to track from which branch the letter was sent, | |
| 04:28 | and there are probably notices that get sent with no specfic branchcode (needed for some reason) | |
| 04:33 | mtj | hmm, i think the problem for me is that, im attempting to load an old 3.6 db, after a new 3.8 or master db |
| 04:37 | ok, wow… ^^ that theory seems to be correct! :) | |
| 04:39 | attempting to load in an old koha-3.6 db, after a koha-3.8 db, causes the 'Can't create table 'koha.letter' error | |
| 04:39 | eythian | hmm OK. maybe that's why I haven't noticed it for a while. Though I haven't been doing a lot of database loading anyway |
| 04:40 | mtj | … because the existing koha-3.8 db has some constraints/FKs that dont exist in the older 3.6 db |
| 04:41 | so, good news is - that seems to be the cause | |
| 04:41 | eythian | I have a 'delete everything' script that makes sure everything has been deleted that I tend to use. |
| 04:41 | mtj | bad news is… how to fix that? |
| 04:41 | the 'drop db koha; create db koha' seems to be the quick-fix | |
| 04:42 | wajasu | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]bc76efa3cc9cc00d7 |
| 04:45 | maybe if your db has one branch, you can update the table with its branchcode, then dump it and load it. | |
| 04:47 | mtj | its also bizare that the 'message_transports_ibfk_3' constraint is the *only* one that fails |
| 04:47 | if you delete it from the .sql file, the load is successful | |
| 04:47 | wajasu | is the branchcode nullable in your older version? |
| 04:48 | Manderson | Hey, so I have a modified version of koha-zebra-ctl.sh that works with Redhat. I am making reference to it in my wiki page, but not quite sure that the wiki is the best place for it. Any ideas where I should put this? |
| 04:50 | mtj | Manderson, the wiki is probably a good start - but consider logging a bug, and sending it as a patch? |
| 04:51 | wajasu, letter.branchcode doesnt exist in my old (3.6.4) db | |
| 04:51 | wajasu | i know what you need to do. |
| 04:52 | if your old db is a scrtach owrk db, try to alter the table to add branchcode http://git.koha-community.org/[…]cc9cc00d7#patch18 | |
| 04:53 | and that update all the rows with your branchcode. then dump the table. | |
| 04:53 | then load it in the new db. | |
| 04:54 | mtj | wajasu, what will that prove? |
| 04:55 | wajasu | oh yeah. you aren't trying to migrate. |
| 04:55 | you are trying to fix the bug. | |
| 04:57 | well, then write a migration script, to do just that (fine for one branch case), or write instructions for one who migrates and attach it to the bug. | |
| 04:58 | i guess no update script was done. | |
| 04:58 | mtj | hmm, you are missing the problem |
| 04:59 | wajasu | yeah. |
| 05:00 | mtj | the problem is… loading a sql file into mysql sometime fails |
| 05:00 | $ mysql koha < ./my_koha.sql | |
| 05:01 | wajasu | i suspect it fails because the old version letters table data doesn't have any branchcode column at all. so the contraint fails. |
| 05:01 | mtj | yep, something like that :) |
| 05:02 | eythian | tbh, it'll only be a problem while we're going back and forth across a particular version boundry, eventually it should become less of an issue as we have fewer 3.6 installations to deal with |
| 05:02 | wajasu | so we have to manufacture the column. |
| 05:03 | mtj | i would have thought mysql would have 'disabled' those FK checks, when loading a dumped .sql file |
| 05:03 | eythian | is there an instruction for that in the dump? |
| 05:03 | mtj | SET foreign_key_checks = 0; SET foreign_key_checks = 1; etc... |
| 05:04 | eythian | but is it in there? |
| 05:04 | wajasu | the issue i see is that 3.6 and prior does support multiple branches. so only if they ran as one branch could we populate the column based on that. |
| 05:04 | mtj | yeah, theres usually a bunch of those instructions, at the top/bottom of a dumped .sql file |
| 05:05 | eythian | /*!40014 SET @OLD_FOREIGN_KEY_CHECKS=@@FOREIGN_KEY_CHECKS, FOREIGN_KEY_CHECKS=0 */; |
| 05:06 | though I don't know if that's a real comment or some strange mysql thing | |
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| 05:07 | wajasu | you might get away with suspending checks, if we don't edit the record. but you could even check to see if upon an edit/save, that we supply the branchcode. |
| 05:07 | i've only seen letters as output (read for mail, etc). | |
| 05:07 | eythian | editing records isn't an issue if you're trying to replace it |
| 05:08 | wajasu | are there the generated letters? or templates? |
| 05:08 | eythian | it doesn't matter |
| 05:08 | wajasu | ok |
| 05:08 | eythian | the problem is you want to delete the table and recreate it and you can't |
| 05:09 | mtj | eythian, ^^ yep - ive got those 'SET @OLD_FOREIGN_KEY_CHECKS' lines in my files, too |
| 05:14 | adding the following to the start of the .sql , fixes the load error | |
| 05:14 | DROP database IF EXISTS `head`; | |
| 05:14 | create database `head`; | |
| 05:14 | use `head`; | |
| 05:14 | wajasu | i recently dumped, a 3.0x koha into 3.10 and didn't get any complaints. my branchcodes are not set. |
| 05:15 | mtj | wajasu, the problem seems to be loading an older version, after an newer version |
| 05:15 | eythian | in particular, loading over the top of an existing one |
| 05:15 | mtj | so, load a 3.10, then load your 3.0... |
| 05:15 | wajasu | ahh |
| 05:15 | eythian | mtj: of course those statements will fix it, they delete everything. |
| 05:15 | but we can't have that | |
| 05:16 | mtj | yeah, i kinda stated the obvious |
| 05:17 | wajasu | copy the newer into a temp table, load the older, then add the newer. maybe? |
| 05:17 | mtj | anyhoo, as eythian said, its now a knownish problem, with a workaround |
| 05:18 | i though i was going to nail that bug!, but … not to be :) | |
| 05:22 | eythian | wajasu: you don't have control over anything like that, you're loading a database dump |
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| 05:34 | mtj | wajasu, fyi: heres my comment on the bug -> http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ug.cgi?id=8471#c2 |
| 05:34 | huginn | 04Bug 8471: trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , loading an sql file into mysql, often fails when loading the 'letter' table |
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| 07:09 | rangi | http://instagram.com/p/TIKH3posO3/ thats about 100m from my house |
| 07:10 | cait | oooh |
| 07:10 | nice | |
| 07:12 | alex_a_ | bonjour cait |
| 07:12 | bonjour rangi | |
| 07:12 | rangi | hi alex_a_ |
| 07:14 | cait | hi alex_a_ |
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| 07:40 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:40 | wahanui | what's up, reiveune |
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| 08:07 | rangi | hi reiveune |
| 08:07 | reiveune | hi rangi |
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| 08:12 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 08:16 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 08:17 | clrh | helo |
| 08:20 | kf | hi clrh |
| 08:21 | rangi | hi kf, gaetan_B and clrh |
| 08:21 | clrh | hello kf and rangi |
| 08:21 | :) | |
| 08:21 | kf | :) |
| 08:21 | konstanz is covered in snow, how is the weather in marseille? | |
| 08:49 | @wunder marseille | |
| 08:49 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 0.0°C (9:30 AM CET on December 12, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:50 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
| 08:50 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (9:00 PM NZDT on December 12, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:50 | rangi | its too hot |
| 08:50 | 18 is yuck for sleeping | |
| 08:53 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 08:53 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0°C (9:20 AM CET on December 12, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:54 | magnuse | @wunder arguineguin |
| 08:54 | huginn | magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:54 | magnuse | @wunder las palmas |
| 08:54 | huginn | magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:54 | magnuse | @wunder las palmas, spain |
| 08:54 | huginn | magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:54 | magnuse | pft |
| 08:55 | * magnuse | travels south today |
| 08:55 | rangi | cool |
| 08:55 | for work? | |
| 08:59 | i forgot how pretty the rijksmuseum catalogue is | |
| 09:00 | http://library.rijksmuseum.nl/[…]-search.pl?q=fish | |
| 09:00 | marcelr++ | |
| 09:02 | magnuse | wow, that is an awesome opac! |
| 09:03 | kf | totally is |
| 09:03 | I love the itemtype selected on advanced search | |
| 09:03 | marcelr++ | |
| 09:03 | magnuse: have a good holiday | |
| 09:04 | magnuse | marcelr++ |
| 09:04 | kf: thanks | |
| 09:04 | rangi | magnuse: yay have fun! |
| 09:05 | magnuse | rangi: thanks! |
| 09:08 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 09:08 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -2.6°C (9:43 AM CET on December 12, 2012). Conditions: Light Freezing Fog. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:08 | kf | morning drojf |
| 09:09 | rangi | hi drojf |
| 09:09 | drojf | morning kf and rangi :) |
| 09:10 | wish i could work from bed | |
| 09:11 | kf: have you tried bug 4906? | |
| 09:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Problem with grace period calculation and fine intervals >1 |
| 09:11 | drojf | or looked at it, regarding paul_p's comment |
| 09:12 | i gave a version of 3.8.7+4906 to wildau for testing | |
| 09:13 | kf | drojf: not yet, requires some good test cases I think |
| 09:13 | oh interesting | |
| 09:13 | wahanui | i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 09:13 | kf | I had chatted with khall about it before he send in the patch |
| 09:14 | but then I got covered with lots of other things :( | |
| 09:14 | not sure the description on the patch is accurate - I would like to test and see how it works | |
| 09:14 | we had talked about the formula and it might work for our problem, just not sure | |
| 09:16 | drojf | i don't have any experience with fines because we don't have any, but the bug sounds like a problem wildau was having. i suppose they will see if it fixes it for them |
| 09:17 | kf | bit hard to test in production maybe... well a good test, but hard if something is still off |
| 09:17 | and it might work for one confguration and not for another | |
| 09:18 | drojf | that is also where the question about database numbering came from. for the test version i just used the next db revision number now, but i don't know if that is a good idea for a production system |
| 09:20 | kf | you will hae to be careful on update |
| 09:20 | resetting the version by 1 before you run it - in the database | |
| 09:20 | I think | |
| 09:21 | drojf | ah yes, that sounds like a good idea |
| 09:21 | isn't there even a syspref with the number? i thought there was but could not find it last night | |
| 09:22 | kf | local use tab :) |
| 09:22 | drojf | ah, the one i never look at :) thanks |
| 09:22 | kf | yeah, I recently 'rediscovered' it |
| 09:24 | drojf | but that number is not what it should be for that instance, it's just 3.0807000 |
| 09:25 | kf | oh? |
| 09:25 | and what does about say? | |
| 09:25 | drojf | the same, i was wondering about that last night |
| 09:25 | kf | ah |
| 09:26 | maybe they didn't apply it | |
| 09:26 | or reset it | |
| 09:26 | drojf | hm. i only checked if the syspref is there |
| 09:27 | maybe the db stuff isn't ^^ | |
| 09:27 | kf | it's not bad actually |
| 09:27 | I think if you turn it on/off the pref might get created | |
| 09:36 | drojf | i will find about that later :) |
| 09:36 | find out | |
| 09:37 | kf | if you have access to reports you can check |
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| 09:43 | drojf | it's not in my updatedatabase file. i guess something went wrong there |
| 09:44 | ah, it is, wrong ssh session, wrong koha ;) | |
| 09:47 | kf | lol |
| 09:49 | drojf | did it manually and got a duplicate entry error for the grace syspref. i suppose that means you were right about the db entry getting created when changing the pref |
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| 10:06 | vfernandes | hi :) |
| 10:06 | kf | drojf: yay ;) |
| 10:06 | hi vfernandes | |
| 10:07 | vfernandes | koha translate interface is damn slow :/ |
| 10:07 | drojf | vfernandes: it's being worked on |
| 10:07 | kf | vfernandes: it will move to a new server soon |
| 10:10 | vfernandes | humm nice :) |
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| 10:34 | kf | hm |
| 10:34 | can't log into the koha wiki... | |
| 10:34 | is it me or something with the wiki? | |
| 10:53 | * kf | gives up |
| 10:56 | magnuse | kf: works for me |
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| 11:00 | clrh | tweetbot`: just repeat #kohails hashtag ? |
| 11:02 | drojf | clrh: that's what i think |
| 11:02 | try it ;) | |
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| 11:21 | kf | gmcharlt: around? |
| 11:23 | @later tell gmcharlt I got problems logging into the wiki - I tried sending myself a new password, but that doesn't work too - maybe you can use some magic? | |
| 11:23 | huginn | kf: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:23 | kf | :( |
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| 12:17 | magnuse | have fun, #koha! |
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| 12:32 | jcamins | vfernandes: around? |
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| 12:39 | jcamins | Hmmm... |
| 12:39 | Could someone please try deleting an authorized value? | |
| 12:48 | Also, could someone please confirm that it is possible to check out books with the web-based SCO still? | |
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| 12:50 | tcohen | mornin #koha |
| 12:51 | jcamins | paul_p: does the web-based SCO work for you under Plack? |
| 12:52 | Ah-ha. | |
| 12:52 | The selfcheck must have superlibrarian privileges. | |
| 12:53 | paul_p | jcamins well, I tested with an account with superlibrarian privileges, it's true (and with plack) |
| 12:53 | * paul_p | at a meeting with our greek partners |
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| 13:07 | * jcamins | stops reviewing patches for pushing. |
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| 13:08 | tcohen | why jcamins? whhhhhhyyyyy? |
| 13:09 | kf | jcamins: because he has a life outside koha... maybe |
| 13:09 | and that was for tcohen :P | |
| 13:10 | tcohen | :-P |
| 13:11 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9101: Add REPORT_GROUP to sample data <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0897d7279337e9b16> / Bug 9033: Wide character error in runreport.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0137a58fa58290b1c> / Bug 9033 - Wide character error in runreport.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]mitdiff;h=4294869 |
| 13:13 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #975 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) |
| 13:14 | jcamins | tcohen: because I am easily annoyed in the morning, and only one patch out of the five I reviewed was not dubious. |
| 13:15 | tcohen | ouch |
| 13:15 | kf | you pushed my patch? :P |
| 13:15 | * tcohen | thinks we need to feed the RM with super-charged coffee in the morning |
| 13:16 | kf | I think feeding him with well tested patches that are not dubious could work too :) |
| 13:16 | jcamins | kf: yes, that's the only one. |
| 13:16 | Well, no, I also pushed bug 9033, but that patch didn't fix the problem it purported to, it just made it less broken. | |
| 13:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9033 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Wide character error in runreport.pl |
| 13:17 | H | Hey all |
| 13:18 | kf | bug 9144 |
| 13:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9144 trivial, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Passed QA , bulkmarcimport.pl - Problem identifying errors |
| 13:19 | tcohen | H: bug 9267 |
| 13:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9267 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Ubuntu 12.04 install docs broken |
| 13:19 | H | is that me ? ;) |
| 13:20 | ah indeed | |
| 13:20 | reeding it | |
| 13:24 | if my library is online i post the url ... still have to do the webinstall and the data import (at the moment i cant at the server ip adres in my browser did mail the network people here (apache is installed (hopefully i did it correct))) | |
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| 13:27 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 13:27 | H | wave |
| 13:28 | * jcamins | grumbles. |
| 13:28 | jcamins | jcamins? |
| 13:28 | wahanui | i guess jcamins is brilliant |
| 13:28 | jcamins | Huh? |
| 13:28 | jcamins? | |
| 13:28 | wahanui | you are brilliant |
| 13:28 | jcamins | jcamins? |
| 13:28 | wahanui | well, jcamins is brilliant |
| 13:28 | jcamins | jcamins? |
| 13:28 | wahanui | you are very, very irascible. |
| 13:28 | jcamins | There we go. |
| 13:28 | kf | why don't we have a timestamp in deleteditems? :( |
| 13:29 | oleonard | So, has anyone ever seen an authorized value image appear in the OPAC search results? And I'm not talking about item type images. |
| 13:29 | git blame says this code is from 2008, and I don't remember ever seeing it in action. | |
| 13:30 | jcamins | Ooh! A puzzle! |
| 13:31 | oleonard: I have not, if we're not talking about item types. | |
| 13:32 | kf | oleonard: never tried it |
| 13:32 | jcamins | Could someone please try deleting an authorized value, while we're on the subject? |
| 13:33 | oleonard | Sure |
| 13:33 | kf | oleonard++ |
| 13:33 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 13:34 | oleonard | Seems to work fine jcamins |
| 13:34 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 13:34 | Guess it's a combination of DEBUG and/or Plack. | |
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| 13:43 | jcamins | Okay, patched. |
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| 13:56 | francharb | hi |
| 13:59 | oleonard | SMU++ # I'm glad they're back with real Koha |
| 13:59 | khall | hey all, does anyone know if it's possible to search MARC leader information via zebra? |
| 14:00 | jcamins | khall: I actually do not. |
| 14:00 | kf | yes |
| 14:00 | bib-level is an example | |
| 14:00 | if I am not mistaken totally | |
| 14:01 | hm I might be, always confuse all the controlfields :( | |
| 14:01 | khall | indeed, bib level is 07 of the leader! |
| 14:01 | kf | oh thx |
| 14:01 | I got worreid :) | |
| 14:01 | khall | thanks! I'll go poke around the zebra configuration files and see what I find |
| 14:02 | kf | oleonard: do you know when they switched? |
| 14:02 | oleonard | it wasn't too long ago I think |
| 14:02 | jcamins | Yeah, you just put it in the <marc:record> template. |
| 14:03 | kf | jcamins: for dom? |
| 14:03 | jcamins | Right. |
| 14:04 | kf | really have to look at those configuration files sometime :) |
| 14:04 | they sound like fun | |
| 14:04 | jcamins | http://www.indexdata.com/zebra[…]-domxml-conf.html |
| 14:04 | I like the last example in 3.3. | |
| 14:04 | oleonard | kf: http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]ywater-solutions/ |
| 14:04 | drojf | that are not the grs-1 guts of a zebra for sure ;) |
| 14:05 | jcamins | You may find it somewhat less hysterically funny than I do, of course. |
| 14:05 | khall | kf: where would one search on bib-level? I don't see that in the advanced search |
| 14:05 | kf | ... which has opportunities for great power and wizardry as well as grande disaster. |
| 14:05 | jcamins | khall: it's used in analytic tracings. |
| 14:05 | kf | khall: it has not been implemented there yet... see |
| 14:05 | khall | gotcha, over my head |
| 14:06 | * khall | needs to get his mls |
| 14:06 | kf | khall: you can limit to serials using it |
| 14:06 | look at the advanced search at the link :) | |
| 14:06 | druthb | @quote add kf: ... which has opportunities for great power and wizardry as well as grande disaster. |
| 14:06 | huginn | druthb: The operation succeeded. Quote #223 added. |
| 14:06 | kf | lol |
| 14:06 | I quoted the zebra documentation jcamins pointed to | |
| 14:06 | I am not poetic like that :) | |
| 14:16 | vfernandes | sorry jcamins_away, I was out for lunch |
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| 14:21 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #975: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/975/ |
| 14:22 | * kyle: Bug 9033 - Wide character error in runreport.pl | |
| 14:22 | * julian.maurice: Bug 9033: Wide character error in runreport.pl | |
| 14:22 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 9101: Add REPORT_GROUP to sample data | |
| 14:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9033 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Wide character error in runreport.pl |
| 14:22 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9101 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Add REPORT_GROUP to authorised values sample data | |
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| 14:43 | oleonard | Well what do you know, the authorised value display in OPAC results worked a long time ago |
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| 15:12 | drojf | seeing the sponsoring information, does hourly loans work with fines nowadays? |
| 15:12 | kf | I think the work around is probably to have the fine script running often |
| 15:12 | ? | |
| 15:16 | libsysguy | drojf it really depends on the day of the week |
| 15:16 | it seems like its broken more than its working | |
| 15:17 | drojf | i'm so glad we don't have fines :P |
| 15:19 | * oleonard | too |
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| 15:25 | kf | we have fines, but not hourly |
| 15:25 | but fine syntax in notices is broken too... *sigh* | |
| 15:28 | gmcharlt? | |
| 15:28 | wahanui | somebody said gmcharlt was an expert in all things library technology. |
| 15:29 | gmcharlt | kf: hmm? |
| 15:29 | kf | oh you are here |
| 15:29 | sec just saving | |
| 15:30 | I can not log into the wiki any longer | |
| 15:30 | and have no idea why :( | |
| 15:30 | it always says wrong passwort, even for the temporary password it send me | |
| 15:31 | gmcharlt | your account is Kfischer? |
| 15:31 | kf | yep |
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| 16:17 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:19 | jcamins | Awww! |
| 16:20 | My client's little kitten just ran across the room, tripped over the door frame, discover s/he couldn't get any traction on tile, and slid into a heap against a wall. | |
| 16:21 | druthb | awr! |
| 16:21 | jcamins | S/he is now somewhere else complaining loudly. |
| 16:22 | That time it tripped over the doorframe but recovered enough to not go flying. | |
| 16:49 | gmcharlt | @later tell cait ok, you should be able to log in now; MediaWiki was hanging on to old cached versions of user objects for some reason |
| 16:49 | huginn | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
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| 17:06 | oleonard | I don't think I've ever written so much test plan for a 4-line correction (Bug 9276) |
| 17:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9276 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Display of biblio-level authorized values on OPAC search results broken |
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| 17:06 | oleonard | I didn't set out to correct a feature I didn't know existed and didn't want to use, I was just trying to validate the damn template. |
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| 17:08 | mib_okkapv | hello |
| 17:08 | oleonard | Hi mib_okkapv |
| 17:08 | mib_okkapv | I would like to know how to show or hide tags... ? :) |
| 17:08 | jcamins | oleonard: it's a cool feature, though! |
| 17:09 | One which I will make a point of finding a use for so that you can feel your time was well-spent. | |
| 17:09 | oleonard | mib_okkapv: In what context? |
| 17:11 | mib_okkapv | in the cataloguing of create new records :) |
| 17:11 | oleonard | mib_okkapv: Check the documentation on editing MARC frameworks |
| 17:11 | mib_okkapv | for example I have 50 tags but I would like to use only 30 tags |
| 17:12 | jcamins | mib_okkapv: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]marcbibframeworks |
| 17:12 | Search for "hidden" | |
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| 17:12 | jcamins | It's about a quarter of the way down the page. |
| 17:12 | wahanui: fortune? | |
| 17:12 | wahanui | no idea, jcamins |
| 17:12 | jcamins | @fortune |
| 17:12 | huginn | jcamins: Your goose is cooked. (Your current chick is burned up too!) |
| 17:13 | mib_okkapv | ok thank you I am looking for i cannot use i will ask again thank you |
| 17:13 | :) | |
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| 17:21 | mib_okkapv | MARC frameworks › BKS framework structure › Tag 001 subfield structure › Edit subfields constraints > Managed in tab >1 |
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| 17:26 | mib_okkapv | is this right? |
| 17:26 | jcamins | mib_okkapv: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:27 | If you want to change what tab the 001 field is displayed in, then yes. | |
| 17:27 | Otherwise, no. | |
| 17:28 | mib_okkapv | mmmm ok :) but if the 40 field i would like to display? once created in the framework |
| 17:29 | for example... | |
| 17:29 | jcamins | Then you change the visibility, as in the manual I sent you a link to. |
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| 17:32 | mib_okkapv | MARC frameworks › Books, Booklets, Workbooks (BKS) › Modify tag 040 > Authorized value ? |
| 17:32 | I guess | |
| 17:33 | jcamins | No, "Hidden" |
| 17:33 | There's a screenshot in the manual, I think. | |
| 17:36 | mib_okkapv | BKS framework structure › Tag 038 subfield structure › Edit subfields constraints > Advanced constraints > hidden :) |
| 17:36 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 17:37 | mib_okkapv | ahh i got it change the subfield tags to show the fields :) |
| 17:37 | thankkkkkkkkk youuuuuuuuuuu :) | |
| 17:37 | jcamins | :) |
| 17:38 | mib_okkapv | i am starting learning koha but i dont know where to start i used winisis |
| 17:38 | the video tutoriales of bywater it is a right place to start? | |
| 17:39 | oleonard | Yes mib_okkapv, that's a good resource |
| 17:41 | mib_okkapv | ok :) besides do you know where is a documentation of the koha structures? |
| 17:41 | technical information about the ILS? | |
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| 17:42 | jcamins | mib_okkapv: what do you mean? |
| 17:42 | * cait | waves |
| 17:43 | jcamins | There is not really any overarching "technical guide." |
| 17:43 | cait | gmcharlt++ |
| 17:43 | @later tell gmcharlt - works now :) many thanks! | |
| 17:43 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:44 | mib_okkapv | @ i see , books? manuals? tesis? |
| 17:44 | huginn | mib_okkapv: I suck |
| 17:45 | jcamins | mib_okkapv: the manual you have a link to. |
| 17:45 | The wiki is full of useful information. | |
| 17:45 | wiki? | |
| 17:45 | wahanui | wiki is http://wiki.koha-community.org |
| 17:45 | mib_okkapv | yes i see... :( |
| 17:45 | well thank you for the time spend :) | |
| 17:46 | I will apreciate it | |
| 17:46 | jcamins | If you're interested in the database structures, there's a thingy for that. |
| 17:46 | schema? | |
| 17:46 | wahanui | well, schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org |
| 17:46 | jcamins | (I don't know what to call it) |
| 17:46 | And, of course, since Koha is open source the best thing you can do if you want to know how it works is look at the code! | |
| 17:46 | git? | |
| 17:46 | wahanui | well, git is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 17:47 | mib_okkapv | yes the schema I got it but the information about modules, connections, etc etc |
| 17:47 | jcamins | First question? |
| 17:47 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
| 17:47 | mib_okkapv | understand how it works at the glance :( |
| 17:49 | how many kinds of type of archives exists? for example is a goal :) | |
| 17:49 | jcamins | How what works? |
| 17:49 | oleonard | You can't tell at a glace how the whole thing works, there are too many parts |
| 17:50 | jcamins | Koha comprises over eight hundred lines of code. |
| 17:50 | *eight hundred thousand | |
| 17:50 | mib_okkapv | :( |
| 17:50 | jcamins | Eight hundred isn't very many at all. |
| 17:50 | mib_okkapv | its is a huge for me |
| 17:50 | jcamins | It is capable of running pretty much any type of library, from a personal library with 200 books to a national library with 8 million. |
| 17:51 | mib_okkapv | I understand cds/isis structures very well |
| 17:52 | jcamins | I think possibly you need to adjust your expectations. |
| 17:52 | I think I can speak for the original author of Koha when I say that *no one* knows how every part of Koha works perfectly. | |
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| 17:53 | mib_okkapv | mmm I see |
| 17:54 | but just at glace.. | |
| 17:54 | how works the parts | |
| 17:54 | itselfs each parts | |
| 17:55 | jcamins | I can't answer that question because to me that's like asking "how does Linux work at a glance?" |
| 17:55 | mib_okkapv | jajaja yes i understand... |
| 17:55 | jcamins | The best answer I could give you for "how does Linux work at a glance?" is "there's a kernel, which is central, and then there are a lot of other things that work together so that you can use your computer." |
| 17:56 | For Koha, I could say "there's a lot of code that runs on a server, data is stored in a database, searches are done using an external system called Zebra, and the user uses a web browser to manage their library." | |
| 17:57 | But you didn't need me to tell you that, because you already know all these things from reading the "What is Koha?" page on the website. | |
| 17:57 | mib_okkapv | and the main part of code is perl done |
| 17:57 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 17:57 | khall | I can't install Koha from master atm, I get this in Step 3: ERROR 1166 (42000) at line 1871: Incorrect column name 'closed ' |
| 17:57 | jcamins | khall: there's a patch for that which requires sign-off. |
| 17:57 | khall | whats the bug #? |
| 17:58 | wahanui | i heard the bug # was there |
| 17:58 | jcamins | I'm looking now. |
| 17:58 | Bug 9246. | |
| 17:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9246 blocker, P5 - low, ---, veron, Signed Off , Upon running koha installer, mysql "Error 1166 at line 1871: Incorrect column name 'closed" appears and crashes install. |
| 17:58 | jcamins | Oh, wait, it's signed off! |
| 17:58 | QA team! QA 9246! | |
| 18:01 | cait | remind me in half an hour? |
| 18:01 | mib_okkapv | ok thank you @jcamins |
| 18:01 | jcamins | Hm. We don't have a reminder feature, do we? |
| 18:01 | mib_okkapv | for the time ...........i will be in touch ;) |
| 18:02 | rangi | Morning |
| 18:02 | wahanui | hmmm... Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. |
| 18:04 | rambutan | a brief, off-topic note that Ravi Shankar has died... |
| 18:07 | jcamins | cait: you are reprieved. |
| 18:26 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
| 18:26 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 13, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:26 | * jcamins | finishes up. |
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| 19:34 | chris_n | nasty bug |
| 19:37 | oleonard | ? |
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| 19:55 | cait | chris_n: which one are you looking at? |
| 19:56 | chris_n | 9246 |
| 19:56 | oleonard | Bug 9246? |
| 19:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9246 blocker, P5 - low, ---, veron, Passed QA , Upon running koha installer, mysql "Error 1166 at line 1871: Incorrect column name 'closed" appears and crashes install. |
| 19:58 | wizzyrea | i looked in the manual, but I didn't see a definitive answer - does koha have a mechanism to search "title begins with" |
| 19:59 | i found ti,first-in-subfield=<search> | |
| 19:59 | but I can't seem to make it works | |
| 20:02 | work* | |
| 20:14 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #31 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 20:30 | jcamins_away | wizzyrea: if first-in-subfield doesn't meet your needs, you could try startswithnt. |
| 20:30 | wizzyrea | well I couldn't get it to work - maybe I was doing it wrong? |
| 20:31 | jcamins | I'm not sure either works. |
| 20:32 | wizzyrea | how would you use startswithnt |
| 20:32 | ti,startswithnt=<whatever> | |
| 20:33 | oh oh actually - it does work | |
| 20:33 | < user error | |
| 20:33 | rangi++ | |
| 20:34 | jcamins | Full disclosure: that doesn't actually do what you think it does. |
| 20:34 | wizzyrea | well it gets pretty darn close |
| 20:34 | jcamins | Yeah, it should be close enough. |
| 20:34 | wizzyrea | but, you may explain if you like :) |
| 20:34 | oleonard | Yes please |
| 20:35 | wizzyrea | for the log it's ccl=ti,first-in-subfield=<whatever> |
| 20:37 | jcamins | The problem is that first-in-subfield is mapped internally to first-in-field, which in turn is mapped to wordlist + doesn't have anything preceding it in the field that's being indexed. |
| 20:37 | So _how_ we add fields to the index impacts what is considered first-in-subfield. | |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | so title is probably more or less ok - other fields might not be so ok |
| 20:38 | jcamins | Right. |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | like su,first-in-subfield might be confusing |
| 20:38 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | (or something) |
| 20:39 | jcamins | That's actually the example I was thinking of. |
| 20:39 | wizzyrea | right, easy enough to pass on |
| 20:39 | hehe | |
| 20:39 | the question was | |
| 20:39 | "can I search 'title begins with'" | |
| 20:39 | the answer is, apparently, with gymnastics, yes | |
| 20:39 | jcamins | Then, yes, that should do it. |
| 20:39 | wizzyrea | "with gymnastics" |
| 20:39 | :) | |
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| 20:40 | jcamins | Of course, because I live to make things difficult, I should point out that if they use 505 fields extensively, they may get unexpected results. |
| 20:40 | Ooh! | |
| 20:40 | I know how to fix it. | |
| 20:40 | ccl=Title-cover,first-in-subfield=whatever | |
| 20:41 | wizzyrea | I would have to ask eythian about the fields this particular library |
| 20:41 | oleonard | And how does one perform that search? |
| 20:41 | wizzyrea | uses |
| 20:41 | type it into the search box | |
| 20:41 | :) | |
| 20:41 | (all of it) | |
| 20:42 | oleonard | Wow, closest thing to a browse search I've ever seen in Koha |
| 20:43 | rangi | theres lots we can do with zebra, its just C4::Search won't let us .. so yay for jcamins rewrite! |
| 20:43 | jcamins | On the subject of which, bug 9239 isn't ready for sign off, but it *is* ready for testing! |
| 20:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries |
| 20:45 | wizzyrea | YAY for the rewrite! |
| 20:46 | jcamins | I am ten chapters into the play-by-play recounting of the Battle of Waterloo. |
| 20:46 | oleonard | It's a little early to be trying to fall asleep jcamins |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | ^^^^ |
| 20:47 | jcamins | oleonard: I have already finished four other books trying to get through this section in Les Miserables. |
| 20:47 | * wizzyrea | laughs |
| 20:47 | cait | :) |
| 20:48 | jcamins | Okay... |
| 20:48 | I must strategize. | |
| 20:48 | I am still seven baked goods short of done with holiday baking, and I have a surprise holiday party this evening. | |
| 20:49 | cait | a surprise party? |
| 20:49 | jcamins | (thankfully I don't need the baked goods *for* the holiday party) |
| 20:49 | No, a surprise holiday party. | |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | Pavlova. It can finish while you are at the party. |
| 20:49 | cait | wh ois surprised? |
| 20:50 | wizzyrea | i think jcamins |
| 20:50 | is surprised at the existence of the party | |
| 20:50 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 20:50 | cait | ah hm |
| 20:50 | jcamins | I also have the neediest cat *ever*. |
| 20:51 | cait | heh |
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| 20:57 | * kyle: Bug 9033 - Wide character error in runreport.pl | |
| 20:57 | * julian.maurice: Bug 9033: Wide character error in runreport.pl | |
| 20:57 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 9101: Add REPORT_GROUP to sample data | |
| 20:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9033 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Wide character error in runreport.pl |
| 20:57 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9101 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Add REPORT_GROUP to authorised values sample data | |
| 20:59 | jcamins | I just bought five pounds of flour a few weeks ago. |
| 20:59 | Why am I already out? | |
| 20:59 | cait | because it's pre christmas time? |
| 21:00 | myshkin ate it? | |
| 21:01 | jcamins | The holidays, I think. |
| 21:01 | Also, remember how I said buying 10lbs of flour was a mistake because I'd be out before I knew it? | |
| 21:02 | I was right. | |
| 21:03 | rangi | heh |
| 21:08 | * jcamins | uses his knowledge of the art of tessellation to spread club crackers on his baking sheets. |
| 21:12 | wizzyrea | oh are you making the toffee things |
| 21:12 | cait | toffee? |
| 21:12 | * wizzyrea | wonders how much flour is in jcamins' computer |
| 21:12 | cait | heh |
| 21:12 | wizzyrea | you pour hot toffee over crackers |
| 21:13 | and it makes this yummy cracker-candy thing | |
| 21:13 | cait | oooh |
| 21:13 | yum | |
| 21:13 | jcamins | Yes I am. |
| 21:13 | And none... I just put my keyboard cover on. :P | |
| 21:14 | cait | jcamins: do you ship to germany? :) |
| 21:14 | druthb | he's been known to *deliver* to Kansas. That's what I'm hoping for. |
| 21:14 | jcamins | Problem... |
| 21:14 | wahanui | problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. |
| 21:15 | jcamins | The recipe called for 1 stick of butter, 1 cup sugar. |
| 21:15 | I doubled it. | |
| 21:15 | There's waaaaay too much butter. | |
| 21:15 | * jcamins | adds more sugar. |
| 21:16 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org The next general meeting is 9 January 2013, at 10:00 UTC | |
| 21:26 | oleonard | I created a wiki page for the next meeting since no one else had: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g,_9_January_2013 |
| 21:27 | I copied the basic agenda and left in the GPLv3+ vote item, please correct or amend | |
| 21:27 | rangi | thanks |
| 21:30 | jcamins | We already voted on the GPLv3+ issue, thank goodness. |
| 21:30 | oleonard | Oh did we resolve that? I thought something had been pushed to the next meeting |
| 21:31 | jcamins | We did, despite the efforts of some people to waste everyone's time. |
| 21:32 | eythian | hi |
| 21:32 | cait | hi eythian |
| 21:32 | * jcamins | was not referring to eythian. |
| 21:32 | eythian | heh |
| 21:34 | rambutan | Tessellation is the process of creating a two-dimensional plane using the repetition of a geometric shape with no overlaps and no gaps. |
| 21:35 | eythian | rambutan: on that note, the Escher museum in Den Haag is really quite cool. |
| 21:36 | rambutan | You know eythian, I was just thinking about the Escher museum when you mentioned that. |
| 21:36 | where is Den Haag? | |
| 21:36 | eythian | I spent about 3 or 4 hours there when I was last in Den Haag |
| 21:37 | in the Netherlands | |
| 21:37 | rambutan | ah, of course |
| 21:39 | The Escher Museum (Escher in het Paleis, Escher in the Palace) is a museum in The Hague, Netherlands, featuring the works of the Dutch graphical artist M. C. Escher. | |
| 21:39 | And now I make the connection between tessellation and the Escher Museum. | |
| 21:40 | citation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escher_Museum | |
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| 21:49 | jcamins | I always forget how long that takes. |
| 21:50 | One pan isn't that time-consuming. | |
| 21:50 | But the amount of time required increases exponentially. | |
| 21:51 | rangi | http://www.cafepress.com/koha12.751374936 |
| 21:51 | the perfect xmas gift | |
| 21:51 | heh | |
| 21:54 | jcamins | Four pans of saltine toffee bark! |
| 21:58 | Of course, foreshortening makes it look like those pans are all deeper than they are wide, when in fact the opposite is true. | |
| 21:59 | Indeed, less than half the toffee bark is visible in that photo. | |
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| 22:11 | cait | jcamins: posting those photos is a little mean, don't you think? :) |
| 22:12 | jcamins | cait: ummm... |
| 22:12 | tough. | |
| 22:12 | :P | |
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| 22:43 | talljoy2 | jcamins: is there any known issue for dom indexing and icu-chains? linker appears to not work correctly when those two are used. |
| 22:43 | wizzyrea | jcamins: ty for the help with ccl |
| 22:44 | jcamins | talljoy2: not to my knowledge. It works for me. |
| 22:44 | talljoy2 | curious. we had a fail with it. |
| 22:44 | could be one off. i need to find a smaller database to test it on than the monster i have currently. heh | |
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| 23:15 | tcohen | hi rangi |
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| 23:15 | tcohen | what git feature would u #koha highlight? |
| 23:15 | jcamins | tcohen: what do you mean? |
| 23:16 | tcohen | i'm giving an intro to using git tomorrow |
| 23:16 | for my 30+ coleages | |
| 23:16 | i love rebasing -i | |
| 23:16 | and git mergetool | |
| 23:16 | jcamins | git rebase -i, definitely. |
| 23:16 | tcohen | exactly |
| 23:17 | i'll talk about the super git-bz tool | |
| 23:17 | as an example of extensibility | |
| 23:17 | i've never cherry-picked thuo | |
| 23:18 | jcamins | Git cherry-pick is slightly less useful for most people. |
| 23:18 | tcohen | is a RM thing right? |
| 23:18 | jcamins | RMaint. |
| 23:18 | tcohen | right |
| 23:19 | jcamins | RM never cherry-picks. |
| 23:19 | git bisect is useful. | |
| 23:19 | cait | git bisect is cool too |
| 23:19 | tcohen | what do u use for solving merge conflicts? |
| 23:19 | cait | jinx ;) |
| 23:20 | jcamins | My razor-sharp mind. :P |
| 23:20 | tcohen | kdiff3? |
| 23:20 | kompare? | |
| 23:20 | jcamins | vim. |
| 23:20 | tcohen | vimdiff |
| 23:20 | jcamins | No, just vim. |
| 23:21 | tcohen | you mean by hand |
| 23:21 | jcamins | Right. |
| 23:21 | tcohen | me too, but i've studied using those tools |
| 23:21 | to convince people | |
| 23:22 | we are moving from trac+svn to redmine+gitolite+git | |
| 23:22 | i'll explain git-svn for migration | |
| 23:24 | can anyone give a short explanatio of bisect? | |
| 23:26 | jcamins | I can't figure out bug 9275. |
| 23:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9275 trivial, P5 - low, ---, rominaracca, Passed QA , Missing '<' closing pharagraph tag |
| 23:26 | tcohen | OH! git bisect + unit tests ;) |
| 23:26 | jcamins | Where's the problem? |
| 23:26 | wahanui | it has been said that the problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. |
| 23:27 | tcohen | s/,/</ ? |
| 23:27 | jcamins | Right, I see that there is a problem, but I don't see it in the interface. |
| 23:28 | tcohen | in the autorithy help section? |
| 23:28 | jcamins | Oh, *edit* page. |
| 23:28 | Thanks. | |
| 23:30 | tcohen | how do u go backwards using bisect? is it done when bisect bad is issued? |
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| 23:30 | jcamins | I've never been any good at it, unfortunately. |
| 23:31 | tcohen | ok |
| 23:32 | thanks for your oppinion jcamins | |
| 23:33 | i'll see what can i do with LibreOficce about this | |
| 23:33 | :-( | |
| 23:34 | jcamins | tcohen: rangi does really good instructions for using git bisect. |
| 23:34 | tcohen | hmm, i guess i'll try later then |
| 23:43 | rangi fully backs test-driven development | |
| 23:43 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #976 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #974 1 day 3 hr ago) |
| 23:43 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 23:43 | Wait, why is master unstable? | |
| 23:44 | Why didn't I get notification of that? | |
| 23:44 | tcohen | now i've read about bisect, I'm sure he will know a lot about it! |
| 23:44 | jcamins | Oh, daily quotes. |
| 23:50 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9275 follow-up: Add Romina Racca to history <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]42fd3e14ffdd12f9a> / Bug 9275 Missing '<' closing pharagraph tag <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5a5eb9b118635bc9e> / Bug 9246: Koha installer crash with mysql error <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]commitdiff;h=ca47 |
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