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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:51 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 00:51 | Project Koha_master build #976: FIXED in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/976/ | |
| 00:51 | * veron: Bug 9246: Koha installer crash with mysql error | |
| 00:51 | * romina: Bug 9275 Missing '<' closing pharagraph tag | |
| 00:51 | * jcamins: Bug 9275 follow-up: Add Romina Racca to history | |
| 00:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9246 blocker, P5 - low, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Upon running koha installer, mysql "Error 1166 at line 1871: Incorrect column name 'closed" appears and crashes install. |
| 00:51 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9275 trivial, P5 - low, ---, rominaracca, Pushed to Master , Missing '<' closing pharagraph tag | |
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| 02:02 | wizzyrea | sup bshum |
| 02:23 | jcamins | wizzyrea: welcome to... oh. |
| 02:23 | bshum: welcome to #koha, where wizzyrea usually is. :) | |
| 02:23 | eythian | wahanui: oh no is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/hVVuP.jpg |
| 02:23 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 02:24 | wizzyrea | oh no |
| 02:24 | jcamins | oh no. |
| 02:24 | oh no? | |
| 02:24 | wahanui | http://i.imgur.com/hVVuP.jpg |
| 02:24 | jcamins | lol |
| 02:24 | Great picture. | |
| 02:30 | eythian | @wunder nzwn |
| 02:30 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 22.0°C (3:00 PM NZDT on December 13, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 02:31 | wizzyrea | omg perfect |
| 02:31 | * wizzyrea | resists the urge to go outside and run around like a maniac |
| 02:31 | wizzyrea | nz summer is fab. |
| 02:32 | oh sorry, it's a bit crap. | |
| 02:32 | >.> | |
| 02:32 | but mostly ok. | |
| 02:32 | jcamins | lol |
| 02:32 | eythian | yeah, now you're getting in to the NZ spirit! |
| 02:32 | * wizzyrea | has to tone down the american exuberance |
| 02:32 | ibeardslee | the right sort of american exuberance is good |
| 02:33 | wizzyrea | which kind is the right kind >.> |
| 02:33 | eythian | it often gets a bit over the top quickly, I find. |
| 02:33 | ibeardslee | wizzyrea: .. probably more that the wrong sort is bad |
| 02:33 | wizzyrea | which sort is the wrong sort? |
| 02:33 | I can probably guess. | |
| 02:34 | eythian | The lack of inside voice gets annoying if you're sitting nearby. |
| 02:34 | jcamins | lol |
| 02:34 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 02:35 | eythian | It's really a thing, I've observed it in multiple countries. |
| 02:35 | Not everyone does it, but those that do seem to escalate against each other. | |
| 02:35 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 02:36 | * wizzyrea | takes notes |
| 02:58 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #32 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 03:03 | jcamins | I have a storage problem. |
| 03:03 | * wizzyrea | too |
| 03:04 | jcamins | I have four trays of saltine toffee bark. |
| 03:04 | I have roughly zero containers. | |
| 03:04 | wizzyrea | I have very small closets. |
| 03:04 | ziploc bags? | |
| 03:04 | grocery bags, for that matter. | |
| 03:05 | (i tease, my closets are fine.) | |
| 03:05 | rangi | my mouth! |
| 03:05 | wizzyrea | ^^^ |
| 03:17 | mtj | hey peeps |
| 03:19 | random Koha Q… does anyone know/remember what the cli script is, to dump a buncha koha bibs, into marc/xml? | |
| 03:19 | … i know someone mentioned it recently on irc | |
| 03:20 | ?export? something | |
| 03:20 | jcamins | tools/export.pl |
| 03:20 | eythian | that's a tricky name alright... |
| 03:21 | mtj | aah, ok! i spotted that, just assumed it was gui only :/ |
| 03:21 | template_name => "tools/export.tmpl", | |
| 03:21 | authnotrequired => 0, etc... | |
| 03:22 | jcamins | It is also the only command-line interface I am aware of. |
| 03:22 | wahanui | okay, jcamins. |
| 03:22 | jcamins | it? |
| 03:22 | it? | |
| 03:22 | wahanui | it is probably the only command-line interface jcamins is aware of. |
| 03:22 | jcamins | it? |
| 03:22 | wahanui | it is the only command-line interface jcamins is aware of. |
| 03:22 | jcamins | wahanui: forget it |
| 03:22 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot it |
| 03:22 | jcamins | it is <reply> |
| 03:22 | it? | |
| 03:24 | mtj | call me stupid, but it looks like it wants auth via cgi, to run |
| 03:25 | does that script really run correctly from a shell?! | |
| 03:27 | eythian | try it and find out? |
| 03:27 | rangi | http://www.wellingtonnz.com/ga[…]vent-game-masters |
| 03:28 | mtj | jcamins, i did! :) - it gave me a wodge of html, saying 'please auth' |
| 03:29 | oops, sorry eythian , not jcamins | |
| 03:29 | eythian | ah right |
| 03:29 | then maybe not CLI then :) | |
| 03:29 | jcamins | Bug 5600 |
| 03:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5600 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, RESOLVED FIXED, Bulk MARC biblio export script |
| 03:30 | mtj | rangi, woah! ^^ |
| 03:30 | jcamins | tools/export.pl --help |
| 03:32 | mtj | jcamins, ah thanks! i was looking on a 3.8 system… oops |
| 03:32 | awesome patch too! :) | |
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| 03:33 | Manderson | Hello everyone |
| 03:34 | rangi | hi Manderson |
| 03:34 | mtj | heya Manderson |
| 03:34 | wahanui | it has been said that Manderson is going to monkey with it for a few... |
| 03:35 | mtj | … congrats on the redhat stuff, |
| 03:38 | Manderson | Oh, thanks |
| 03:38 | :D | |
| 03:38 | hope it helps someone else. | |
| 03:38 | wizzyrea | i want to go to that gaming thing |
| 03:38 | at te papa | |
| 03:41 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #32: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/32/ |
| 03:41 | * romina: Bug 9275 Missing '<' closing pharagraph tag | |
| 03:41 | * jcamins: Bug 9275 follow-up: Add Romina Racca to history | |
| 03:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9275 trivial, P5 - low, ---, rominaracca, Pushed to Stable , Missing '<' closing pharagraph tag |
| 03:41 | mtj | wizzyrea, yeah, me too |
| 03:42 | "Game Masters offers the rare opportunity to play Yu Suzuki's full-body 1980s arcade games, through to testing yourself in a four-player version of Firemint's Real Racing 2." | |
| 03:42 | i'm v. keen to see the list of games | |
| 03:43 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 03:43 | mtj | oooh! -> http://www.tepapa.govt.nz/Site[…]s_for_website.pdf |
| 03:44 | wizzyrea | i thought it was neat that they had the lich king on the posters. |
| 03:44 | mtj | woah, they have an old defender! |
| 03:44 | wizzyrea | i used to play WoW, but I have a rl now :P |
| 03:45 | starcraft though | |
| 03:46 | mtj | wow, a pretty classy selection too |
| 03:46 | wizzyrea | mhm |
| 03:47 | * wizzyrea | laughs at jcamins bug titles |
| 03:47 | wizzyrea | paroxysms of horror |
| 03:47 | * mtj | notes… lots of oohing and aaahing from me today :p |
| 03:48 | jcamins | wizzyrea: thank you. :) |
| 03:48 | mtj | the new ./tools/export .pl script is working a treat |
| 04:15 | bshum | wizzyrea: jcamins: Oh, hello hello. |
| 04:15 | Guess my IRC client got disconnected and came back in :) | |
| 04:15 | * bshum | goes back to quietly hanging around |
| 04:28 | jcamins | I managed to find containers for one and a half trays worth. |
| 04:28 | And I just put a cover on the raspberry short bread in situ. | |
| 04:29 | *shortbread | |
| 04:53 | * jcamins | gets a sugar high from licking excess chocolate and toffee off his fingers. |
| 04:53 | goes to bed. | |
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| 05:29 | mtj | ooh, i felt that one -> http://www.geonet.org.nz/quake[…]aland/2012p938451 |
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| 07:09 | cait | good morning #koha |
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| 07:41 | reiveune | hello |
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| 08:03 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 08:15 | matts | hi #koha ! |
| 08:16 | drojf | hi matts |
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| 08:53 | cjh | good night #koha :) |
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| 09:09 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 09:13 | samuel | hi everybody, |
| 09:14 | could someone explains to me the meaning of "invalid holding branch"? I've this error during import | |
| 09:15 | kf | probably your branchcode is not matching with your configuration |
| 09:15 | does your import file have 952$a and $b with correct branchcodes? | |
| 09:16 | samuel | it's 995 (because unimarc) I've 995$b BIB . So, i need the same in 995$a? |
| 09:17 | kf | yeh I think so |
| 09:17 | not sure about the right subfields for unimarc | |
| 09:22 | samuel | 995$b is linked to items.homebranch and 995$c to items.holdingbranch |
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| 09:29 | kf | you need both with the branchcode - most often it's the same |
| 09:40 | samuel | yes |
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| 09:52 | samuel | i keep errors during import. It gives differents hodlingbranch but my branchcode is "BIB" and i have this in 995$b and 995$c |
| 10:10 | kf | do you have any spaces inthe name maybe? |
| 10:11 | what is the error message? | |
| 10:11 | wahanui | the error message is on the link above |
| 10:11 | kf | how does your 995 field look like? |
| 10:19 | samuel | i will pastebin an exemple, it would be more easy |
| 10:20 | oups, i've seen a big error in my file | |
| 10:30 | http://pastebin.com/eBNswN6d --> an example | |
| 10:31 | kf | samuel: ah right |
| 10:31 | that won't work | |
| 10:31 | you need all the subfiels in one firled | |
| 10:31 | field | |
| 10:31 | 995 \\$cBIB$bBIB - and now space! | |
| 10:31 | no space... sorry for my bad typiing | |
| 10:32 | samuel | don't worry, it's clear |
| 10:32 | kf | also the itemtype needs to be the branchcode too |
| 10:32 | should have the same capitalization too | |
| 10:32 | are you using itemlevel itypes or bibliolevel? | |
| 10:33 | samuel | for which field? |
| 10:33 | kf | I am not familiar with 995 - so a bit hard to guess which field is what |
| 10:33 | your itemtypes - do you have them on biblio or item level? | |
| 10:34 | samuel | both. |
| 10:34 | kf | which is the field in your example? |
| 10:35 | samuel | =995 \\$wLivre |
| 10:35 | (book, i translate) | |
| 10:35 | kf | and is Livre the code for your itemtype in koha? |
| 10:35 | samuel | yes |
| 10:35 | kf | also 995$o - I think this is notforloan? |
| 10:35 | spelled Livre, not LIVRE? | |
| 10:36 | if it's not for loan, you need to give the numeric value | |
| 10:36 | from authorised values | |
| 10:36 | samuel | ok |
| 10:36 | kf | same for locations and collections of you use those |
| 10:42 | hope this helps | |
| 10:43 | i think the biggest problem was not having the data in one field, when you change that, it shoudl get easier | |
| 10:59 | samuel | .Item not added (bib 25341, item tag #2, barcode ): invalid homebranch BIB | France Item not added (bib 25341, item tag #7, barcode ): invalid holdingbranch France |
| 11:01 | kf | hm how does your field look like now? |
| 11:01 | and is France one of your holding branches? | |
| 11:01 | samuel | =995 \\$bBIB$cBIB |
| 11:01 | kf | and after $c? |
| 11:02 | samuel | nothing |
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| 12:03 | H | Hey all |
| 12:05 | laurence joined #koha | |
| 12:05 | H | a question - i got my koha server running works fine on ip now the network people gave me the folowing adres http://data.inbo.be/koha but there i get a white page with the koha login annyone has some suggestions how to fix this |
| 12:07 | drojf | what do you mean by "white page with the koha login"? |
| 12:07 | H | i take a screen shot |
| 12:07 | drojf | ah my bad i can just click the url you gave ^^ |
| 12:07 | ah i see | |
| 12:07 | that looks funny | |
| 12:09 | H | http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/term8.jpg |
| 12:09 | on ip it works fine probably appache koha configuration | |
| 12:10 | is there information how to ? | |
| 12:10 | drojf | i have little experience with apache config and dns. a wild guess is "did you enable the rewrite module?" |
| 12:11 | H | yes |
| 12:11 | drojf | sorry, i won't be of any help to you then |
| 12:12 | H | it is installed the old way so not with the sudo apt-get install koha-common |
| 12:13 | maybe someone shows up later who know more :) | |
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| 12:51 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 12:54 | drojf | hi tcohen |
| 12:54 | tcohen | hi drojf |
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| 13:03 | H | hey :) thx for responce |
| 13:14 | kf | hm someone from biblibre around? |
| 13:17 | tcohen | np H |
| 13:17 | H | :) |
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| 13:18 | H | my network admin wants to try to solve it first iff he cant i get an other adress :) |
| 13:18 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 13:19 | H | hey |
| 13:40 | slef | is http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ blank for everyone or just me? |
| 13:40 | s/blank/devoid of questions/ | |
| 13:41 | oleonard | Same for me |
| 13:42 | slef | unless anyone has a quick fix, that's another bug to report :( |
| 13:42 | H | its loading but it keeps loading |
| 13:43 | ah it loads ... but slaow i got text | |
| 13:48 | slef | H: Q+As or just headings? |
| 13:52 | drojf | slef: headings for me it is |
| 13:55 | jcamins_away | H: it is not possible to set up Koha on a subfolder. |
| 13:55 | jcamins | You'll need to use something like koha.data.inbo.be. |
| 14:05 | * tcohen | is about to start his Git intro |
| 14:06 | jcamins | tcohen++ |
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| 14:23 | vfernandes | hi :) |
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| 14:52 | * oleonard | wonders if he should go to a code4lib conference someday. |
| 14:52 | kf | apparently they still have tickets :) |
| 14:53 | oleonard | I just got back from a conference, I can't ask for another one for a while :) |
| 14:54 | kf | ooh... |
| 14:55 | druthb | code4lib is pretty awesome. Good chance to hear about some bleeding-edge coding going on. |
| 14:55 | * druthb | prefers YAPC::NA for a broader, non-library-centric base of mad new ideas to look at. |
| 14:58 | slef | yeah you probably know I've currently complained about the suggested code4lib women-only subgroup... and someone flamed me because I put an "a" inside the quote marks in error :-/ |
| 15:00 | druthb | I got burned really hard on the current "geek feminist" movement after YAPC::NA last year, so have stayed out of that hairy mess. noirin dismissed me from the discussion by saying "you're trans, so you're different", even though I was *agreeing* with her, because I advocate a less-antagonistic and less-divisive course of action. |
| 15:01 | My support for the Ada Foundation dried up completely on that day. What they want, on paper, is a great idea, but their actual actions seem to be mostly geared toward making men feel guilty, and I don't support that. | |
| 15:02 | kf | woman in something things always feel a little weird to me |
| 15:03 | druthb | kf: I agree--it feels wierd to create a deliberately-exclusive group as a response to a grouping that may or may not be deliberately exclusive. |
| 15:04 | * kf | wants to be with the cool kids |
| 15:05 | * druthb | isn't a cool kid, so you may have picked the wrong room. |
| 15:05 | kf | gender doesn't matter :) |
| 15:05 | don't be silly | |
| 15:07 | drojf | what is wrong with a women-only group of something? |
| 15:07 | druthb | The discussion in #yapcna got positively tacky, so I quit going there. Basically, noirin was asserting her right to flirt with whomever she wanted, at any time and place, and would not allow anyone else to flirt back without accusing them of sexual harassment. I find that--erm....hypocritical. At best. |
| 15:13 | oleonard | What a strange stance to take. |
| 15:16 | druthb | yah. If I want my public persona to be more flirty and sassy and like I might just have...erm...round heels, then I should, quite rightly, expect at least *some* response from people who find that attractive. If I were cute enough to pull that off, I just might. |
| 15:17 | * druthb | 's current public persona is more like "crazy old cat lady" than "flirty and sassy." |
| 15:17 | kf | didn't I say don't be silly? |
| 15:19 | druthb | :P |
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| 15:42 | slef | druthb: do you know the saying "two wrongs don't make a right"? ;-) |
| 15:42 | bad tab-complete | |
| 15:42 | drojf: do you know the saying "two wrongs don't make a right"? ;-) | |
| 15:43 | druthb: IOW, can you overcome discrimination by discriminating? | |
| 15:44 | jcamins | I just read an interesting article from HBR that made that point. |
| 15:44 | slef | grrr tab-complete I am so annoyed with you |
| 15:44 | druthb | See, that's my position--and why I just refuse to engage in such battles, for the most part. As a transwoman, I'm supposed to be all pissed about the Michigan Women's Festival excluding us, but I'm not. *shrug* |
| 15:45 | It's a free market--the Ohio Women's Festival does not exclude me, and in time, the marketplace of ideas will decide which fest prospers, and which does not. As I have little interest in going to either event, the outcome does not concern me much. | |
| 15:45 | slef | druthb: yeah, I've yet to find a way to beat illogical pro-discrimination arguments with logical ones... :-/ |
| 15:46 | * jcamins | grumbles. |
| 15:46 | slef | druthb: ah well, if you want the market to do it, maybe you should inform those who are buying in it. |
| 15:47 | arrrrrrgh the payment processor has slowed to a crawl. Is Christmas shopping happening or something? | |
| 15:47 | druthb | Oh, I do. If I were going to go to one or the other, I'd absolutely rather go to Ohio, than the Trans Camp of protestors on the fringes of MichFest. And I encourage transwomen that want to, to go to Ohio, and let MichFest have their party without us. |
| 15:48 | slef | druthb: s/transwomen/everyone/ ;) |
| 15:48 | druthb | true 'nuf. |
| 15:49 | Just like I'm not against the Masons, or women's clubs, or whatever. It's a free market, and for folks who want that, it's their business. I pick the spaces I would rather be in, and people I like, I encourage to join me in those spaces. | |
| 15:50 | My preference is for spaces that wouldn't blink an eye at a cigar-chomping hairy angry drag queen, someone dressed (solely) in a leather g-string, or other bizarre behaviors, because it means I can be practically invisible. | |
| 15:50 | slef | I'm against them, but won't act against them unless they try to be "in my name" in some way... which is where I feel code4libwomen crossed the line. |
| 15:51 | * druthb | used to *be* a Mason, and got tossed out without so much as a letter of notification, for the heinous crime of being a woman. |
| 15:51 | * slef | tries to picture druthb with a cigar-chomping hairy angry drag queen dressed (solely) in a leather g-string... then decides he has enough odd mental images and returns to thinking about kitten bone kebabs |
| 15:52 | * druthb | giggles. |
| 15:52 | jcamins | lol |
| 15:54 | * druthb | flirts outrageously with jcamins, just to give slef another disturbing image. |
| 16:02 | jcamins | jcamins? |
| 16:02 | wahanui | it has been said that jcamins is too young to be the President of the United States. Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election. |
| 16:02 | jcamins | jcamins? |
| 16:02 | wahanui | you are brilliant |
| 16:02 | jcamins | jcamins? |
| 16:02 | wahanui | you are very, very irascible. |
| 16:02 | jcamins | ^^ remember that, folks! |
| 16:02 | druthb | :P |
| 16:02 | oleonard | jcamins is also the brilliant and irascible President of the United States. |
| 16:02 | wahanui | okay, oleonard. |
| 16:03 | jcamins | lol |
| 16:03 | druthb | oleonard++ |
| 16:05 | jcamins | @later tell rangi Bug 8843 is yours. |
| 16:05 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:06 | jcamins | Well... at least the Passed QA queue is down to zero? |
| 16:08 | drojf | slef: i don't read code4lib, but in general, after watching the german pirate party failing miserably at "being postgender" which turned out as mostly just sexist and patriarchy-preservative my view on that issue changed and i think that people that feel the need to create safespaces should do so. if women feel that they need a group of their own then so be it. i'm quite puzzled about excluding trans people though, i think they are usually included (if t |
| 16:09 | jcamins | I can't seem to get the last follow up on 7067 to apply correctly. |
| 16:09 | * jcamins | tries again. |
| 16:12 | jcamins | Okay, now I can't get the second-to-last follow-up to apply either. |
| 16:12 | slef | bug 7067 |
| 16:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7067 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac |
| 16:13 | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8039 follow-up: replace tabs by 4 spaces (QA process) <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]db26bfbadb7f23bdb> / Bug 8039: Try userid if cardnumber borrower search fails in SIP <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d98627c3543a765d7> / Bug 5709: Add the ability to translate HTML5 placeholder text in an input field <http:/ | |
| 16:13 | slef | jcamins: you won't like my suggestion ;) |
| 16:13 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #977 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) |
| 16:13 | jcamins | slef: what's that? |
| 16:13 | wahanui | well, that is not correct, though. |
| 16:14 | * drojf | heads home |
| 16:14 | slef | jcamins: branch master at the signoff date, bz apply, rebase |
| 16:14 | jcamins | slef: right, not happening. |
| 16:14 | And the problem isn't rebasing against master. | |
| 16:15 | The only changes I see to the file that's conflicting are the ones made by earlier patches. | |
| 16:20 | khall: I am having merge issues with the QA follow-ups on bug 7067. Assuming I can manage to apply it, and assuming it still works, the last follow-up addresses all but one of my concerns: the unit test does not create the "Kyle Hall" user. | |
| 16:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7067 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac |
| 16:20 | slef | jcamins: odd |
| 16:20 | wahanui: forget that | |
| 16:20 | wahanui | slef: I forgot that |
| 16:21 | jcamins | slef: yeah, very. |
| 16:21 | slef | wahanui: druthb's preference? |
| 16:21 | wahanui | druthb's preference is for spaces that wouldn't blink an eye at a cigar-chomping hairy angry drag queen, someone dressed (solely) in a leather g-string, or other bizarre behaviors, because it means I can be practically invisible. |
| 16:22 | khall | jcamins: do you mean I missed adding a test for that? |
| 16:22 | slef | and yes, wahanui learned that itself |
| 16:22 | * druthb | cackles maniacally. |
| 16:22 | slef | wahanui: so do you like being dressed (solely) in a leather g-string? |
| 16:22 | wahanui | slef: no idea |
| 16:22 | jcamins | khall: right now the unit test requires that the "Kyle Hall" user already exist. |
| 16:23 | I think. | |
| 16:23 | Once I've figured out the merges, I'll confirm that. | |
| 16:25 | khall | jcamins, I don't think there is a problem. The test uses 'Kyle Hall' first as a new pending patron, and second just as a rename for an existing user. The test should work just fine on the default test data, and really any data where there are at least a couple borrowers in the databse. |
| 16:26 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Unit test results" (38 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/311 |
| 16:27 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:28 | jcamins | khall: would you mind if I squashed patches 1 and 2, and 6 and 7? |
| 16:28 | (I'll do it only once I've confirmed that everything's ready for pushing) | |
| 16:29 | khall | jcamins: squash away! |
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| 16:29 | jcamins | Ooh, I _love_ the pre-filled login box. |
| 16:31 | Where do the update requests appear? | |
| 16:32 | Should be on mainpage.pl... | |
| 16:33 | vfernandes | koha translate is down? |
| 16:33 | druthb | vfernandes: temporarily...I'll have it back up in a moment. |
| 16:33 | should be breathing now. | |
| 16:33 | vfernandes | ok... so it's time for coffee :) |
| 16:34 | druthb | I'm trying to gear up to move it. made a copy of the db, but transferring it to its' new home is *sssslllloooowww* |
| 16:34 | vfernandes | i'm doing a big bust this days to portuguese translation for 3.8 |
| 16:35 | druthb | awesome! :) |
| 16:35 | jcamins | khall: okay, I'm a little confused... when creating a *new* patron, does that require confirmation on the staff side? |
| 16:36 | khall | the new patron does not actually get created, it's just testing the ability to add a patron that would need to be approved before being created |
| 16:37 | jcamins | Sorry, I meant in the user interface. |
| 16:37 | I'm going through your test plans. | |
| 16:38 | khall | did you see the update requests on mainpage.pl? |
| 16:38 | oleonard | Creating a new patron via the OPAC does not require confirmation on the staff side |
| 16:39 | khall | They should show where the suggestions waiting for approval are |
| 16:39 | near the bottom | |
| 16:39 | jcamins | oleonard: thanks. |
| 16:39 | oleonard | khall: Not for new patrons, only for patrons requesting updates |
| 16:39 | jcamins | That matches what I was seeing. |
| 16:40 | khall | it's been a while since I've dealt with that code, oleonard probably knows it better than I do right now ; ) |
| 16:42 | jcamins | We're getting close. :) |
| 16:45 | Well, that's problematic. | |
| 16:53 | khall: I just posted what I hope should be the end-but-one of the 7067 saga. | |
| 16:56 | khall | jcamins: I'll followup on it. Also, as per your comment at the bottom, I agree which is why it definitely a pref choice and is disabled by default |
| 16:59 | oleonard | jcamins: I think the idea is that the library creates a sufficiently-limited patron category and then "upgrades" the account after the patron has verified their address or whatever. |
| 16:59 | chris_n | debugging rule #1: The problem is syntax |
| 16:59 | debugging rule #2: The problem is over-complication | |
| 16:59 | jcamins | chris_n: debugging rule #0: The problem is that you failed to reload the code |
| 16:59 | oleonard | jcamins: That limited category is the one assigned to patrons registered via the opac |
| 16:59 | chris_n | debugging rule #3: See rules 1 & 2 |
| 17:00 | jcamins: we all know that in the final analysis all problems are due to user error ;-) | |
| 17:00 | even if the user is a dev | |
| 17:01 | I mean, its a computer so it can't be wrong | |
| 17:01 | right? | |
| 17:01 | khall | hah! |
| 17:02 | maximep | hey, rebuild zebra question for you guys. It seems when I do a "-a -r" I have "mf_write: isambD-b error (4) no more space" for the shadow. Is it ok to add "-w" to skip the shadow when doing a full rebuild ? |
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| 17:02 | jcamins | maximep: yes it is. |
| 17:03 | maximep | ok, thanks |
| 17:04 | khall | I'm having trouble applying the second patch for 7067, fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (C4/Auth.pm)., any ideas? |
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| 17:07 | libsysguy | a bad hash? |
| 17:07 | weird | |
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| 17:07 | libsysguy | 128 comments…nevermind lol |
| 17:14 | jcamins | khall: I will post my rebased patches. |
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| 17:14 | khall | jcamins: thanks, that will help me a lot! |
| 17:15 | jcamins | Actually, why don't I squash 1-2 and 6-7 now. |
| 17:15 | khall | jcamins: for issue 2, do you mean output that says what each test is doing when the test file is run? |
| 17:15 | jcamins | Right. |
| 17:16 | For example: | |
| 17:16 | is($var1, $var2, 'Successfully updated patron') | |
| 17:16 | You just have to add another argument to is/ok/whatever | |
| 17:17 | khall | that's what I thought, but I wanted to confirm. Thanks |
| 17:20 | jcamins | Okay, rebased patches attached. |
| 17:22 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #977: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/977/ |
| 17:22 | * koha-preprod: Bug 5709: Add the ability to translate HTML5 placeholder text in an input field | |
| 17:22 | * srdjan: Bug 8039: Try userid if cardnumber borrower search fails in SIP | |
| 17:22 | * Paul Poulain: Bug 8039 follow-up: replace tabs by 4 spaces (QA process) | |
| 17:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5709 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, brice.sanchez, Pushed to Master , Adding the ability to translate HTML5 placeholder text in an input field |
| 17:22 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8039 normal, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Self Checkout/SIP: Allow authentication with userid and password | |
| 17:22 | jcamins | Yay! Success! |
| 17:32 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "libsysguy: syntax errors" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/312 |
| 17:33 | libsysguy | interesting... |
| 17:33 | wahanui | it has been said that interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 17:33 | libsysguy | in this case, bad |
| 17:33 | druthb | wahanui: botsnack cookie |
| 17:33 | wahanui | :) |
| 17:34 | libsysguy | jcamins what browser are you using? |
| 17:34 | I don't get that error | |
| 17:35 | jcamins | Firefox. |
| 17:35 | wahanui | hmmm... firefox is koha's preferred browser |
| 17:35 | * libsysguy | goes to test in firefox |
| 17:35 | jcamins | I can confirm the syntax error. |
| 17:35 | That's lousy syntax. | |
| 17:36 | libsysguy | are you sure you don't have some crusty code laying around in there |
| 17:36 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "libsysguy: wtf?" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/313 |
| 17:37 | jcamins | Pretty sure. |
| 17:37 | Yeah, the second patch adds a bunch of invalid lines. | |
| 17:38 | libsysguy | the javascript degrade patch? |
| 17:38 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 17:38 | Unless "n true;" means something I don't know about. | |
| 17:39 | libsysguy | i can confirm that that line doesn't exist in my patch... |
| 17:39 | pastebot | Someone at 127.0.0.1 pasted "commit 1fea35d58c93d32fa1c2bc8" (31 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/314 |
| 17:40 | jcamins | That was me. |
| 17:40 | The line doesn't exist in your patch? | |
| 17:40 | libsysguy | right |
| 17:40 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ment.cgi?id=14025 | |
| 17:41 | jcamins | No, indeed it doesn's. |
| 17:41 | *doesn't | |
| 17:42 | * jcamins | does a git fsck. |
| 17:43 | jcamins | Well, this is going to take forever. |
| 17:43 | libsysguy | heh |
| 17:44 | jcamins | Actually, that wasn't too bad. |
| 17:48 | Right... I copied and pasted your changes and they worked. | |
| 17:48 | libsysguy | okay cool |
| 17:48 | jcamins | So I'm going to replace your patch with mine, and have you confirm it works for you. |
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| 17:49 | libsysguy | okay |
| 17:49 | jcamins | (and sign off on it) |
| 17:49 | And if all goes as planned, I will push it when I get back. | |
| 17:49 | * jcamins | leaves |
| 17:50 | libsysguy | gracias |
| 18:04 | tcohen | hi libsysguy, did u have time to do something about circ test? |
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| 18:14 | rangi | Morning |
| 18:14 | wahanui | Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. |
| 18:22 | libsysguy | @later tell jcamins I think there is something wrong with the patch you attached to 8033. The hashes don't match up |
| 18:22 | huginn | libsysguy: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:22 | libsysguy | sorry tcohen I was doing my morning workout |
| 18:22 | what did you want tested? | |
| 18:22 | tcohen | you've already tested it, i'm waiting for QA |
| 18:22 | i was asking about Circulation mocked tests | |
| 18:23 | that you said were about to work on | |
| 18:35 | libsysguy | ohh yeah |
| 18:36 | * libsysguy | has been running around with his head cut off |
| 18:38 | tcohen | is there a way to search on google for english-isms translated to other languages? |
| 18:40 | libsysguy | hehe |
| 18:41 | gmcharlt | tcohen: English-englishms, Australian-englishims, Indian-englishims, NZ-englishisms, USA-englishms ... ? |
| 18:41 | be precise! ;) | |
| 18:41 | tcohen | "running around with his head cut off" |
| 18:42 | i mean, libsysguy is not a zombie, right? | |
| 18:42 | oleonard | More precisely tcohen, "running around like a chicken with its head cut off" I think |
| 18:42 | libsysguy | BRAINS!!! |
| 18:42 | tcohen | heh |
| 18:42 | * libsysguy | imagines himself headless |
| 18:42 | tcohen | that's more graphical thanks oleonard |
| 18:43 | * libsysguy | is not as handsom that way |
| 18:44 | jcamins_away | libsysguy: you tried it on a new branch? |
| 18:45 | The three patches on the bug must be applied in that order, and without your original second patch. | |
| 18:45 | libsysguy | yes |
| 18:46 | I applied them in the order they are listed in BZ | |
| 18:46 | jcamins_away | The last upstream commit I have in both my release repo and my working repo is 049d74dd66b973bce822678db26bfbadb7f23bdb |
| 18:46 | Does that match what you have? | |
| 18:47 | libsysguy | indeed it does |
| 18:47 | 809 | |
| 18:47 | 8039** | |
| 18:47 | jcamins_away | Yup. |
| 18:47 | And applying those three patches does not work. | |
| 18:47 | Odd. | |
| 18:47 | libsysguy | maybe they need re-ordered? |
| 18:48 | jcamins_away | Ooh, let me try something. |
| 18:48 | libsysguy | squash them into 1? |
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| 18:48 | jcamins_away | There. |
| 18:48 | Now try applying all three. | |
| 18:49 | libsysguy | trying |
| 18:49 | anvo | Hi all! Is it possible to use Koha with a locally installed LAMPP server? |
| 18:49 | jcamins_away | anvo: of course. |
| 18:49 | libsysguy | yes with the right apache configs |
| 18:50 | jcamins_away | In fact, if the second P is "PHP," you only need a LAMP server. |
| 18:50 | anvo | Hmmm... Where's the documentation of it...> |
| 18:50 | ? | |
| 18:50 | jcamins_away | packages? |
| 18:50 | wahanui | rumour has it packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 18:51 | jcamins_away | Installing Linux is outside the scope of the Koha project, of course. |
| 18:51 | libsysguy | jcamins that did it |
| 18:51 | jcamins_away | libsysguy: no idea why, but I'm glad. |
| 18:52 | * libsysguy | shrugs |
| 18:52 | libsysguy | maybe you just wanted to flood my infox from bz |
| 18:52 | jcamins_away | Yeah, good excuse! |
| 18:52 | libsysguy | so do you want me to signoff on all 3? |
| 18:52 | jcamins_away | Yes please. |
| 18:53 | anvo: that link earlier was for you. | |
| 18:53 | libsysguy | sweet it works for me still |
| 18:53 | jcamins_away | anvo: I recommend using oldstable. 3.8 is getting pretty stable at this point. |
| 18:55 | anvo | OK |
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| 18:55 | cait | brrrr |
| 18:55 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 18:55 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -4.2°C (7:55 PM CET on December 13, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:56 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 18:56 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Berlin, Germany is -2.0°C (7:00 PM CET on December 13, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:56 | drojf | ok you win |
| 18:57 | jcamins_away | I wish huginn's weather reports didn't screw up putty. |
| 18:57 | drojf | it does? |
| 18:58 | jcamins_away | Oh yeah. |
| 18:58 | tcohen | smuxi too |
| 18:58 | drojf | why? what does it do? |
| 18:58 | s/why/how | |
| 18:58 | tcohen | invalid charset? |
| 18:59 | jcamins_away | It looks like putty thought that this was Latin-1 not UTF-8. |
| 18:59 | drojf: it does weird misalignment things. | |
| 18:59 | @wunder 11375 | |
| 18:59 | huginn | jcamins_away: The current temperature in Middle Village, Queens, New York is 7.2°C (1:55 PM EST on December 13, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:59 | drojf | ah right. i stopped noticing the ? that i get instead of ° |
| 18:59 | jcamins_away | Actually, that appears to have fixed it. |
| 19:00 | I changed the character set to UTF-8. | |
| 19:00 | libsysguy | jcamins do you want it passed QA or just signed off? |
| 19:00 | jcamins_away | libsysguy: you can set it back to Passed QA. |
| 19:01 | libsysguy | gracias |
| 19:01 | didn't want to overstep my QA bounds | |
| 19:02 | tcohen | @wunder cordoba, argentina |
| 19:02 | huginn | tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba Aerodrome, Argentina is 29.0°C (3:00 PM ART on December 13, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 11%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011 hPa (Falling). |
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| 19:22 | druthb | Any active translators awake and want to do a little testing? |
| 19:23 | cait? ^^ | |
| 19:23 | tcohen++ | |
| 19:24 | jcamins_away | khall: this is not going to block my pushing 7067 (pending a last test to confirm everything's working), but a possible follow-up if you want more karma with jenkins would be to fill out the test coverage to (in addition to what it's doing right now) 1) update an existing borrower modification, 2) add a null modification, 3) test getting the pending modifications (and count) for a particular branch, 5) add POD for ->new() which ... |
| 19:25 | ... explains when to use it and what arguments it accepts, and 6) make sure to cover both options in conditionals with the unit tests. | |
| 19:25 | rangi | back |
| 19:25 | tcohen | druthb, what happened? |
| 19:28 | druthb | I've got the other server breathing, tcohen, and want someone who actually *does* translation to take a peek. Then I'll work with rangi on a live cutover time to move the DNS. |
| 19:28 | http://200.16.16.190/ | |
| 19:29 | gmcharlt | general question - would we be better off having a dedicated translation server so that the new TM doesn't *have* to recreate it each time? |
| 19:29 | druthb | gmcharlt, that's what I've been hoping to get to here. |
| 19:29 | gmcharlt | druthb: ok, cool |
| 19:30 | tcohen | hopefully this time will last |
| 19:30 | druthb | We find some other sucker^Wvolunteer, and I just hand over the keys... |
| 19:30 | tcohen | heh |
| 19:31 | druthb | it seems to be *much* faster now. |
| 19:31 | tcohen | yes, its like match 2 i guess |
| 19:32 | druthb | Still some fiddly bits to do; I need to shut down mysql and move it out to the /srv partition, but I've got memcache doing its' job, looks like. |
| 19:33 | tcohen | does it use Apache in from of it? or is just django talking to the world? |
| 19:33 | druthb | Apache, definitely. |
| 19:33 | jcamins_away | Doesn't support nginx? |
| 19:34 | druthb | Pootle does, yes. |
| 19:34 | * druthb | doesn't. Or hasn't, in the past. |
| 19:34 | rangi | druthb: now might be a good time |
| 19:34 | jcamins_away | You should switch to that if speed has been an issue. |
| 19:34 | rangi | to set it up with git |
| 19:34 | jcamins_away | rangi++ |
| 19:34 | rangi | since we have our brand new repo |
| 19:34 | cos pootle can commit straight to git | |
| 19:34 | jcamins_away | Yeah! |
| 19:34 | rangi | which will save you a metric craptonne of time |
| 19:34 | * druthb | nods. |
| 19:35 | jcamins_away | Preach! |
| 19:35 | rangi | heh |
| 19:35 | also | |
| 19:35 | http://grooveshark.com/s/Timewarp/2G0LAI?src=5 | |
| 19:35 | jcamins_away | ... sorry, I'm working with catalog records for people connected witht he nineteenth century religious revivals. |
| 19:37 | druthb | I mostly want to get paul_p and vfernandes and cait and tcohen off my neck, at the moment. Then I can make things *better*. |
| 19:37 | cait | what did I do? |
| 19:38 | * cait | is still thawing fromspending 3 hours at the christmas market |
| 19:38 | jcamins_away | *for works by people connected with the nineteenth century religious revivals |
| 19:38 | druthb | cait: http://200.16.16.190/ #test, please? |
| 19:40 | cait | lots faster |
| 19:40 | tcohen++ druthb++ | |
| 19:40 | hope it stays that way :) | |
| 19:40 | pootle seems to be.. abit difficult | |
| 19:42 | jcamins_away | Setting up Pootle with nginx looks to be pretty straightforward. |
| 19:45 | * jcamins_away | favors FastCGI and/or unix sockets FWIW. |
| 19:47 | jcamins_away | It just seems more elegant. |
| 19:48 | rangi | http://www.flickr.com/photos/r[…]01/in/photostream |
| 19:49 | cait | yay :) |
| 19:49 | oleonard | Rolling Hills has a nice one |
| 19:50 | rangi | yep |
| 19:51 | i like that darla from alaska sent me her actual card :) | |
| 19:51 | cait | oh wow |
| 19:51 | her own? | |
| 19:52 | oleonard | We librarians don't need cards anyway, right? We know our card number by heart. |
| 19:52 | jcamins_away | Being a librarian she can probably get a replacement crd without needing to pay the fee. |
| 19:52 | rangi | bottom right |
| 19:52 | yup | |
| 19:52 | sorry second from the right | |
| 19:52 | bottom row | |
| 19:53 | bottom right is bridgton in maine | |
| 19:53 | wizzyrea | hey I gave you my actual nexpress card :) |
| 19:53 | rangi | oh yeah i have wizzyrea's card too :) |
| 19:54 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 19:54 | but you know, I don't *need* it anymore so... there's that. | |
| 19:54 | * wizzyrea | does miss having ILL's delivered to her desk |
| 19:55 | rangi | talk to jo :) |
| 19:55 | trea | not like you were going to use it :P |
| 19:55 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 19:55 | well considering I pass TWO libraries on my way to and from work | |
| 19:55 | I could just pop in. | |
| 19:55 | well one is slightly out of the way, but only barely | |
| 19:55 | jcamins_away | wizzyrea: are they Koha libraries? |
| 19:55 | wizzyrea | no. |
| 19:55 | cait | eew |
| 19:55 | jcamins_away | Aww. |
| 19:56 | wizzyrea | which really is a darn shame. |
| 19:56 | i love the wcl, however - some of their policies are pants. | |
| 19:57 | and they don't use koha. | |
| 19:57 | * wizzyrea | wonders how many fees they could drop if they didn't have licensing fees. |
| 19:57 | drojf | shout "oh look, a squirrel over there on the shelf" and when they are distracted, update their system. suddenly koha. |
| 19:57 | rangi | about 400k worth |
| 19:58 | * wizzyrea | sighs |
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| 20:01 | cait | for some... it takes a long time to learn |
| 20:01 | chris_n | oleonard: looks like fulfillment is hoping to be released early next year |
| 20:02 | oleonard | chris_n: Who says? |
| 20:02 | chris_n | I'm not sure how tightly integrated with evergreen it is, though |
| 20:02 | the README seems to think it might be a bit tight | |
| 20:02 | http://www.fulfillment-ill.org/blog/ | |
| 20:03 | "It is anticipated that FulfILLment version 1.0-RC1 will be available in the spring/summer of 2013." | |
| 20:03 | the code is in an svn repo | |
| 20:03 | http://fulfillment-ill.org/web[…]pname=FulfILLment | |
| 20:04 | jcamins_away | chris_n: I thought they switched to git? |
| 20:04 | oleonard | I contacted someone at FulfILLment and offered to help test with Koha, even providing some test data, but never heard anything back. |
| 20:04 | chris_n | gmcharlt may be able to comment further |
| 20:04 | jcamins: dunno | |
| 20:04 | wizzyrea | I tried to install it, and I got it installed... and that was where the documentation ended |
| 20:04 | ok, it's installed... what do I do? | |
| 20:04 | chris_n | sounds very un-fulfilling atm ;-) |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea | well, yes |
| 20:05 | it could be cool, a replacement for something like AGent | |
| 20:05 | slef | wizzyrea: are you busy in the next few hours? |
| 20:05 | chris_n | last commit to the svn repo looks to be 28 days ago |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea | yes, sadly, but what did you need? |
| 20:05 | * wizzyrea | may have some time later |
| 20:06 | slef | wizzyrea: I've updated and expanded the patch for bug 6890 and if you were free soon, I'd rush-upload it, but I'll do it after dinner. |
| 20:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6890 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Patch doesn't apply , Add reserves to modification logging |
| 20:07 | wizzyrea | Ooh! |
| 20:07 | <3 | |
| 20:07 | oh yes, do it after dinner :) | |
| 20:07 | but that is quite nice - something I've been wishing for | |
| 20:08 | slef | if anyone has tips on nicer ways to make the object link back to the biblio in the category than just adding an <a href...> to the tt, I'd love to read it ;) |
| 20:09 | chris_n | oleonard: there's even #fulfillment over on freenode |
| 20:12 | jcamins_away | Did Koha 3.6 have comments? |
| 20:12 | rangi | yes |
| 20:12 | jcamins_away | Excellent. |
| 20:12 | rangi | they have been there since 2ish |
| 20:12 | called reviews in 2 tho | |
| 20:12 | jcamins_away | Yay! |
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| 20:20 | jcamins_away | I know 3.6 doesn't have star reviews, but since I'm going to be curating my new reading list, it didn't really need star ratings. |
| 20:21 | rangi | :) |
| 20:23 | cait | jcamins_away: what do you use 3.6 for? |
| 20:23 | jcamins_away | cait: everything. |
| 20:23 | wahanui | rumour has it everything is grilled |
| 20:23 | cait | oh |
| 20:23 | jcamins_away | See: jcamins' intense paranoia |
| 20:24 | cait | oh right |
| 20:24 | * wizzyrea | is coming around to 3.8 finally |
| 20:24 | cait | how are the christmas treats? |
| 20:24 | anvo left #koha | |
| 20:24 | jcamins_away | wizzyrea: I'll change to 3.8 in the next few months. |
| 20:24 | cait | hey wizzyrea :) |
| 20:24 | jcamins_away | I think I'm going to have to stop at eight varieties. |
| 20:25 | wizzyrea | hi cait |
| 20:25 | jcamins_away | I have one empty container in the house. |
| 20:25 | *One*. | |
| 20:25 | cait | wizzyrea: could you take a look at the mailing list page maybe? the browse through and mailing list links seems to be a bit messed up? |
| 20:26 | http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ | |
| 20:26 | wizzyrea | yea I"ve been meaning to look at that |
| 20:26 | I just haven't had time. Someone deleted the header. | |
| 20:26 | cait | ah :) cool! wizzyrea++ |
| 20:26 | i think someone might have shortened the list | |
| 20:26 | I thought we had the german list there once, which is why I was looking at it | |
| 20:26 | wizzyrea | ah yea, it was pruned |
| 20:26 | but not by me | |
| 20:27 | * cait | nods |
| 20:27 | cait | not me at least |
| 20:27 | * wizzyrea | knows who, it's not worth being upset about. |
| 20:29 | wizzyrea | jaredrecommends |
| 20:29 | jcamins_away | Well, that's 2-0 in favor of jaredrecommends, so we'll go with that. :) |
| 20:29 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 20:30 | no? | |
| 20:30 | wahanui | http://i.imgur.com/hVVuP.jpg |
| 20:30 | oleonard | Oh wizzyrea did you see the problem with the FAQ page? |
| 20:30 | cait | if you get to it - can you replace the the german translation list with the new german list? koha-de - much easier :) |
| 20:30 | wizzyrea | no |
| 20:30 | yes | |
| 20:31 | cait | poor wizzyrea |
| 20:31 | wizzyrea | (in order) |
| 20:31 | jcamins_away | wizzyrea: good, because I would've been insulted if you were. |
| 20:31 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 20:31 | cait | wizzyrea webadminsnack cookies ;) |
| 20:31 | * oleonard | sees that the FAQ page works now, thanks wizzyrea |
| 20:31 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 20:31 | * wizzyrea | didn't do anything |
| 20:36 | wizzyrea | cait - mailing lists should be back in order |
| 20:36 | rangi | because its friday |
| 20:36 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?f[…]ded&v=2RA3rc2303o | |
| 20:37 | cait | wizzyrea: canyou maybe remove the support bit? we decided to keep the other list for owrking on translations |
| 20:37 | people seemed to get scared away by the i18n | |
| 20:37 | stuff | |
| 20:38 | pastebot | "chris_n" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "jcamins oleonard: re fulfillment" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/315 |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | oh it's caching |
| 20:38 | just wait a minute :P | |
| 20:38 | or 10 | |
| 20:38 | you're not actually seeing the updated page. | |
| 20:38 | I did take that out. | |
| 20:39 | * chris_n | points jcamins_away at the paste mentioned above |
| 20:39 | jcamins_away | chris_n: yeah, sounds about right. |
| 20:39 | Very bulky. | |
| 20:39 | chris_n | so it sounds like if we want ILL foo we need to write it ourselves as a feature |
| 20:39 | jcamins_away | In order to run EG on a 2GB system, I had to basically disable everything. |
| 20:41 | cait | thx a lot :) |
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| 20:45 | jcamins_away | chris_n: I would suppose that if Koha had an OpenSRF connector it would be easy to use FulfILLment with Koha. |
| 20:46 | chris_n | excepting the bulk |
| 20:47 | cait | i think a general ill interface would be nice |
| 20:47 | we want to make our ILL service work with koha next year | |
| 20:47 | but not sure yet how to achieve some of the things | |
| 20:47 | jcamins_away | Well, yeah, but what's the point of a competing ILL system that doesn't work with anything but Koha? |
| 20:49 | Seems to me that bulk notwithstanding, it'd be better to work with FulfILLment. | |
| 20:49 | And maybe even help them pare away the unnecessary bulk. | |
| 20:50 | oleonard | Unnecessary bulk as in code in FulfILLment which works around interoperation barriers between it and Koha? |
| 20:51 | jcamins_away | No, unnecessary bulk as in "bits of Evergreen that aren't actually needed for ILL at all." |
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| 21:00 | jcamins_away | A (very quick) glance at the source suggests to me that the only services that should be needed for FulfILLment would be the basic OpenSRF messaging system and CStore, which is Evergreen's configuration... thingy. |
| 21:00 | rangi | oleonard: i like you jshint idea |
| 21:00 | also jasmine | |
| 21:00 | http://net.tutsplus.com/tutori[…]ipt-with-jasmine/ | |
| 21:00 | we can do unit tests for our js too | |
| 21:00 | oleonard | Is jasmine something you use at Catalyst? |
| 21:00 | rangi | yup |
| 21:01 | oleonard | It's something I want to learn more about |
| 21:01 | rangi | im thinking things like the acquisitions js could really use unit tests |
| 21:01 | selfcheck too | |
| 21:01 | jenkins can then run them too | |
| 21:01 | oleonard | I'm starting to look at ways to make our js more modular so that it will more testable. |
| 21:01 | jcamins_away | Cool! |
| 21:01 | rangi | so if something busts the tax calculations (again) |
| 21:02 | it will spaz out :) | |
| 21:02 | oleonard: that is a great idea too | |
| 21:03 | oleonard | I learned a little about using build tools for js, which ideally could do linting, testing, minifying, and concatenation all in one process |
| 21:03 | rangi | sweet |
| 21:03 | the other thing people are using here is sass stuff for css | |
| 21:03 | http://sass-lang.com/ | |
| 21:03 | i know nothing about that | |
| 21:04 | except it seems cool | |
| 21:04 | takes care of all the ie exceptions etc | |
| 21:04 | oleonard | Yeah, that's another thing on my list, SASS or LESS |
| 21:04 | rangi | much like jquery does for js |
| 21:04 | sweet | |
| 21:04 | oleonard | I'd be interested in hearing why folks there chose SASS over LESS |
| 21:05 | rangi | ill ask |
| 21:06 | oleonard | rangi: I'd also be interested to know if anyone there is using require.js. That was a hot topic at the JavaScript training I went to. |
| 21:06 | rangi | not require |
| 21:06 | angular | |
| 21:06 | http://angularjs.org/ | |
| 21:06 | at least one project here is using that | |
| 21:07 | jcamins_away | The concern I have with sass/less is that unless we redo all our CSS, as I understand it we'd just be adding a compilation step for no real benefit. |
| 21:08 | rangi | luckily we have most (all) our css in one file |
| 21:08 | maximep | we chose sass pretty much only because ruby is easier to install/manage than nodejs |
| 21:08 | rangi | redoing it is not an impossibility |
| 21:08 | maximep | they are very feature equal |
| 21:09 | rangi | oh thats a pretty good reason |
| 21:09 | jcamins_away | And I have trouble seeing how we could do it gradually and have it useless. |
| 21:09 | *not be useless | |
| 21:09 | Also, of course, ruby's a bit of an issue. | |
| 21:09 | maximep | we use sass for new projects. I don't think we ever converted an old project |
| 21:10 | rangi | im pretty sure you woulndt ship the scss |
| 21:10 | but the rendered css files | |
| 21:10 | ie, thats what would go in the tar.gz and the packages | |
| 21:10 | jcamins_away | Right, but that means all developers would have to have ruby. |
| 21:10 | And it would have to work. | |
| 21:10 | And probably have to be the exact same version because they *love* incompatible changes. | |
| 21:10 | rangi | all devs changing css anyway |
| 21:11 | jcamins_away | Right. |
| 21:11 | rangi | which i havent done in 4 years |
| 21:11 | maximep | ruby is easy to install. Any > 1.8.7 works fine |
| 21:11 | jcamins_away | maximep: yes, until you want to use it. |
| 21:11 | maximep | works fine in windows, mac and linux |
| 21:11 | cait | rangi: you are an exception I think :) |
| 21:11 | jcamins_away | At which point it spontaneously combusts and tries to reinstall itself over on top of the version you installed using a .deb. |
| 21:12 | maximep | how is that different from perl ? |
| 21:12 | :S | |
| 21:12 | tcohen | druthb: http://200.16.16.190/es/310/es[…]pref.po/download/ |
| 21:12 | rangi | oleonard: Sass can hook into compass http://compass-style.org/ |
| 21:12 | jcamins_away | Then, you discover that you have an incompatibility between the gem used for opening files and the base system, which is a problem because without being able to open files, you can't choose which version of the gem you'd like to use. |
| 21:12 | rangi | oleonard: which can do sprite compiling and stuff apparently |
| 21:12 | druthb | thanks, tcohen. lemme look at that. |
| 21:12 | tcohen | np |
| 21:13 | jcamins_away | The solution is to never use a packaged version of Ruby, I think. |
| 21:13 | rangi | oleonard: thats why our design team chose it over less |
| 21:13 | oleonard | Okay, good to know rangi |
| 21:13 | tcohen | "permission denied" |
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| 21:13 | * oleonard | 's brain is still melting from the JS training... way too much to learn |
| 21:14 | gaetan_B joined #koha | |
| 21:14 | cait | oleonard: one step at a time :) |
| 21:15 | * oleonard | waves goodbye to #koha |
| 21:15 | rangi | cya oleonard |
| 21:15 | cait | good night #koha |
| 21:15 | cait left #koha | |
| 21:15 | tcohen | bye #koha |
| 21:26 | maximep left #koha | |
| 21:37 | lds joined #koha | |
| 21:38 | eythian | hi |
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| 21:42 | drojf | hi eythian |
| 21:43 | druthb | @later tell tcohen got the permissions problem fixed! |
| 21:43 | huginn | druthb: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:45 | bgkriegel | Hi druthb, just tried and works |
| 21:47 | tcohen tell me to try the site | |
| 21:49 | slef | rangi: I think SASS annoyed me the last time I looked at it. Why would anyone want to turn CSS into a compiled language you can't tweak in browser extensions like firebug? |
| 21:55 | cjh | you can write sass and then compile it and serve it up as css |
| 21:57 | rangi | who wants to have to code for all the broken browsers out there, if sass can compile me css so i dont have to know how to deal with ie7 im happy |
| 21:58 | also | |
| 21:58 | this line | |
| 21:58 | cjh | also gives us variables so we dont have to have the same hardcoded values everywhere, etc. it's generally much nicer than dealing with plain css |
| 21:58 | rangi | (defined $handles{$table}) and return $handles{$table}; |
| 21:58 | in C4::Letters | |
| 21:58 | is bad wrong and evil | |
| 21:58 | EVIL! | |
| 21:59 | cjh | shouldnt that be `return $handles{$table} if exists $handles{$table}` ? |
| 21:59 | rangi | thats better |
| 21:59 | but still broken | |
| 21:59 | eythian | that has different semantics |
| 21:59 | rangi | because what we are doing is handing back an $sth handle containing a prepared query |
| 21:59 | eythian | may return undef which the first one won't |
| 21:59 | rangi | without checking the db is still there |
| 22:00 | cjh | eythian: yeah, I assumed the undef case was part of the incorrectness. |
| 22:00 | eythian | oh right, %handles contains prepared statements? ' |
| 22:00 | that's not idea. | |
| 22:00 | ideal | |
| 22:00 | rangi | nope |
| 22:00 | results in blank emails | |
| 22:03 | eythian | why has everyone decided that cross-posting to both lists is a good thing to do, recently? |
| 22:03 | rangi | yeah we shoudl fix that |
| 22:04 | slef | eythian: to irritate me, I think. |
| 22:04 | rangi: hold crossposts for moderation? <eg> | |
| 22:06 | rangi | or we could just reply to one and note in our reply why we have done it |
| 22:06 | that would annoy me less than having to moderate more stuff | |
| 22:07 | Replying only to the devel lists as this is where this belongs, please don't crosspost | |
| 22:07 | or something like that | |
| 22:08 | i blame ppl who use readers that hide the crosspostingness | |
| 22:08 | gmail will do that, you will only see the message once | |
| 22:09 | you know what is more annoying than crossposting | |
| 22:09 | crossposting and apologises for it | |
| 22:09 | "i know this is a dick move, but im doing it anyway" | |
| 22:09 | is what i read | |
| 22:09 | trea | pretty much |
| 22:22 | eythian | http://dashes.com/anil/2012/12[…]-web-we-lost.html |
| 22:23 | slef | rangi: I see it as "I don't care about anyone else's time, so please don't care about mine." |
| 22:25 | trea | eh, part of the old addage that it's easier to beg forgiveness and ask permission |
| 22:26 | s/and/than | |
| 22:33 | slef | so I just found this line in viewlog.pl, just after a load of template variables are set: |
| 22:33 | #module => 'fix this', #this seems unused in actual code | |
| 22:34 | does that mean all the [% IF ( module == 'CIRCULATION' ) %] and similar tests in viewlog.tt will never be true? | |
| 22:34 | * slef | checks both lines in master |
| 22:35 | eythian | maybe it actually gets set somewhere else? |
| 22:36 | slef | eythian: I think it's behaving like not. The object column in log views doesn't seem to be a link. There's a loopro.module... I could rewrite the [% %] tests to use that. |
| 22:41 | yeah if I make them loopro.module, it behaves much better | |
| 22:42 | well except that it thinks CIRCULATION module entries are members not biblios | |
| 22:42 | well except that it thinks CIRCULATION module entries' objects are members not biblios | |
| 22:47 | jcamins | libsysguy: please correct your e-mail address with git on ByWater's test server. |
| 22:48 | libsysguy | oops |
| 22:48 | will do | |
| 22:50 | * jcamins | contemplates blue cheese biscuits. |
| 22:52 | jcamins | Gee, Myshkin is having the worst day ever. |
| 22:53 | First Shari left, then I left, then I came back, but Shari didn't, and then he got sprayed with the water bottle for trying to pull the network switch off the wall. | |
| 22:59 | drojf | ouch. rough teaching method |
| 22:59 | slef | jcamins: and you sprayed the network switch with water, killing it? |
| 22:59 | jcamins | slef: nope. |
| 23:00 | drojf: I tried making it so he couldn't get to the switch, and dragging him away, and scolding him. | |
| 23:01 | drojf | that must be one interesting network switch then |
| 23:01 | myshkin tries to get direct access to internet cat content | |
| 23:02 | or become internet cat content himself | |
| 23:02 | jcamins | lol |
| 23:03 | slef | hmmm... should I write "member" or "Borrower"? |
| 23:04 | odlis? | |
| 23:04 | wahanui | it has been said that odlis is http://www.abc-clio.com/ODLIS/odlis_A.aspx |
| 23:06 | slef | odlis says Borrower |
| 23:06 | hmmm... but viewlog.tt says member elsewhere... any thoughts? | |
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| 23:07 | jcamins | slef: I'm glad you're the one trying to figure it out and not me? |
| 23:07 | slef | jcamins: ha! |
| 23:07 | * slef | does a few grep -c |
| 23:07 | thd-away` joined #koha | |
| 23:10 | slef | 424 for member, 795 for borrower |
| 23:10 | I think we have a problem there, but if I use borrower, I'm siding with the majority ;-) | |
| 23:12 | 1242 for patron | |
| 23:12 | * slef | cries |
| 23:13 | slef | ODLIS says "patron - Any person who uses the resources and services of a library, not necessarily a registered borrower. Synonymous with user. Compare with client." |
| 23:25 | jcamins | Do I look like someone who wanted to do original cataloging for Modern Perl? |
| 23:33 | (I wasn't, but I found a source for copy) |
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