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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:08 | jcamins | dcook: questions about ICU? |
| 00:09 | dcook | jcamins: Yep. Have thought about moving a library over to using ICU so that the Arabic is indexed properly |
| 00:09 | jcamins | Go for it! |
| 00:09 | dcook | I figure it should work fine using an icu_chain locale of "ar", but I wonder if that will cause problems with the English and French records |
| 00:10 | Since it's a multilingual library | |
| 00:10 | jcamins | Nope. No problems at all that I know of. |
| 00:10 | How many records? | |
| 00:11 | If >500k, you might need the very latest version of Zebra. | |
| 00:11 | dcook | It's only about 10,000 bibs |
| 00:12 | jcamins | In that case, I don't think you'll run into problems. |
| 00:12 | dcook | Glad to hear it :) |
| 00:13 | I'm confused by the purpose of the locale attribute then though | |
| 00:14 | jcamins | To be honest, me too. |
| 00:14 | I search Hebrew records with a locale of fr. | |
| 00:14 | dcook | Yeah? |
| 00:14 | Intriguing | |
| 00:14 | jcamins | Yup. :) |
| 00:14 | I'll just confirm that it's still working on Master. | |
| 00:14 | One moment... | |
| 00:15 | dcook | Excellent. Thanks, jcamins :) |
| 00:15 | drojf | rangi: i guess it would have worked, thanks. now i apparently have no space left on device and rather go to bed :/ |
| 00:16 | jcamins | I'm sorry, my locale is "" |
| 00:16 | And, yes, searching for Hebrew works great. | |
| 00:16 | So I think you should be fine with any locale at all. :) | |
| 00:17 | dcook | Sweet! |
| 00:17 | Thanks for looking to that, jcamins | |
| 00:17 | jcamins++ | |
| 00:17 | jcamins | You're welcome. |
| 00:17 | I love easy questions. | |
| 00:17 | dcook | Hehe. I love easy answers |
| 00:18 | I'll have to do my test later on. I think there might still be some issues with Arabic that ICU doesn't solve without some customizations, but...that's another story | |
| 00:18 | I'll have to remember to report back on how it turns out. | |
| 00:19 | jcamins | Which issues? |
| 00:19 | There's an icu chains file for handling al- (why did I disable the Arabic keyboard? It makes it difficult to type in Arabic). | |
| 00:20 | dcook | Karam Qubsi mentioned something about prefixes and suffixes |
| 00:20 | jcamins | And Zebra doesn't do stemming for Arabic no way, no how. |
| 00:20 | Yeah, that's the one I meant. It's in e-mail an e-mail somewhere. | |
| 00:20 | dcook | Mhm |
| 00:20 | http://comments.gmane.org/gman[…]s.koha.devel/8833 | |
| 00:21 | I didn't notice this before either: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]of_Arabic_records | |
| 00:21 | jcamins | That's the one. |
| 00:21 | Oh, wow, nice page! | |
| 00:23 | Hm. | |
| 00:23 | Hm. | |
| 00:23 | Oh, I already said that. | |
| 00:23 | drojf | you only need to turn the syspref on for 3.8? |
| 00:23 | jcamins | I think there is a way to map a prefix to nil. That'd be convenient. |
| 00:23 | drojf: no. | |
| 00:24 | I should update that. | |
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| 00:25 | dcook | By all means. It would be worth adding a mention that setting a locale still allows one to index other languages properly. I would say it's easy to test, but only if one has records in multiple languages and has knowledge of those multiple languages. |
| 00:27 | Hmm, the layout isn't quite right on that page.. | |
| 00:28 | jcamins | dcook: you mean because I'm presently editing it? |
| 00:28 | Sorry. | |
| 00:28 | I'll be done soon. | |
| 00:28 | -ish. | |
| 00:29 | dcook | Oh no, it's just the part about modifying default.idx is only under 3.6 and under |
| 00:29 | There's no mention in 3.8+ | |
| 00:29 | Mind you, that might be because there was a change to use a variable set by Makefile, I think... | |
| 00:29 | jcamins | Right. |
| 00:30 | dcook | But one would still need to change from the .chr file to the .xml file somehow.. |
| 00:30 | jcamins | That's what I'm changing. |
| 00:30 | dcook | Ahh |
| 00:30 | *thumbs up* | |
| 00:30 | jcamins | The point of confusion was the addition of the "UseICU" syspref, which does not enable ICU, but was added for 3.8. |
| 00:31 | Fixed. | |
| 00:35 | dcook | Cool :) |
| 00:37 | I just requested a wiki account, but could you add a bit at the bottom about how other languages will still be indexed correctly despite the customizations for Arabic? | |
| 00:38 | I might be a bit OCD, but I imagine someone else might have the same question eventually | |
| 00:39 | jcamins | Good idea. |
| 00:40 | Done. | |
| 00:41 | Okay... am I wrong to think that Blue ray is entirely unnecessary at this juncture? | |
| 00:42 | dcook | Sweet. Thanks, jcamins |
| 00:42 | Blue ray as in Blu-ray? I certainly wouldn't disagree.. | |
| 00:43 | jcamins | dcook: right, whatever it's called. |
| 00:43 | See how much it occurs in my world? ;) | |
| 00:44 | dcook | Haha. No kidding |
| 00:44 | Can't say that I have any myself or know anyone that does | |
| 00:45 | wizzyrea | i would find it infinitely amusing if we went to strictly digital distribution |
| 00:45 | of course that would really suck | |
| 00:45 | because you can still rip blu rays | |
| 00:45 | and get a drm free copy | |
| 00:46 | dcook | I suppose that's the downside, but optical media seem so passé at this point, despite certain...vulnerabilities they might have |
| 00:47 | jcamins | We have non-USian films on DVD. |
| 01:04 | dcook | Well, time to call it a day. Thanks again for the info and test, jcamins |
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| 05:57 | reeset | I'm curious -- is there an API method that will return the koha version number? |
| 05:57 | I've been chatting with Galen and a few folks playing with the MarcEdit work I've been doing and they want the ability to edit item data... | |
| 05:58 | but the api seems to indicate that this only works in 3.8 and I'm not sure how quickly people move their versions forward. | |
| 05:58 | Especially since the testing instance Galen had setup for me was using 3.06.08.000 -- so I can't even test the ?item=1 bit on the api. | |
| 05:59 | I'm also curious of this is just supported on the update record API. I can see folks wanting to add items when creating new records as well -- but the documentation doesn't say if the ?item=1 bit is supported or necessary for that purpose and I can't test it. | |
| 06:12 | rangi | 3.8.8 will be out on the 22nd of december, 3.8.0 was out in april |
| 06:13 | but no there is no api method that will return the versionnumber | |
| 06:13 | reeset | So then do most people update right away -- because some API functions only work with 3.8. |
| 06:13 | rangi | 3.6.x is still supported |
| 06:14 | nope, some people are still running 2.2.x versions from 2004ish | |
| 06:14 | reeset | Ok -- that's somewhat problematic -- but I'll figure out how to try and deal with this without confusing folks. |
| 06:17 | Does the new record api support the item bit setting for adding items or will it do that by default? | |
| 06:17 | rangi | we do 6 monthly feature releases, and monthly bugfix releases, but people pretty much upgrade whenever they want, some always run the latest releases, lots don't |
| 06:17 | probably do that by default, if you record has 952 data | |
| 06:18 | reeset | I figured that might be the case -- I was just hoping I was missing an API call to get version since presumably, as api are added, you'll need specific versions to support them |
| 06:18 | Ok -- I'm hoping that's the case | |
| 06:19 | I'll see if Galen can update the test instance he's setup for me to work with and check the behavior | |
| 06:19 | rangi | actually it looks like new_bib will ignore itemdata unless you set the items param |
| 06:20 | reeset | That's kind of how I read it, but it doesn't actually say it supports it in the documentation. |
| 06:20 | so I wasn't sure | |
| 06:21 | rangi | yep, and it will support UNIMARC, NORMARC and MARC21, depending on what they have set they systempreference to |
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| 06:26 | cait | lol |
| 06:26 | morning #koha | |
| 06:27 | rangi | hi cait |
| 06:29 | cait | morning rangi :) |
| 06:29 | um evening | |
| 06:40 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:40 | magnuse | cait: you're starting the day with a lol? yay! |
| 06:40 | cait | I was laughing at the motd |
| 06:40 | :) | |
| 06:40 | magnuse | hehe |
| 07:26 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:26 | bonjour magnuse cait and rangi ! | |
| 07:26 | cait | hi alex_a :) |
| 07:27 | rangi | heya alex_a |
| 07:29 | magnuse | bonjoiur alex_a |
| 07:29 | @wunder marseille | |
| 07:29 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 4.0°C (8:00 AM CET on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:29 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 07:29 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0°C (8:20 AM CET on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:30 | alex_a | The difference is just - |
| 07:30 | :) | |
| 07:30 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
| 07:30 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:31 | magnuse | ooh, height of summer... |
| 07:31 | alex_a: yeah, not much of a difference! | |
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| 07:38 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:38 | wahanui | hey, reiveune |
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| 07:41 | magnuse | oops, looks like someone at bywater have a server to kick |
| 07:41 | cait | git? |
| 07:41 | wahanui | somebody said git was http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
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| 07:51 | julian_m | hello |
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| 08:11 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 08:22 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 08:23 | \o/ sjohnson \o/ | |
| 08:25 | clrh | hello |
| 08:25 | wahanui | hey, clrh |
| 08:28 | drojf | bonjour clrh |
| 08:28 | kf | hi drojf and clrh |
| 08:28 | drojf | moin kf |
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| 08:33 | drojf | is there a common practice for locally numbering the db revision if i add a patch that has not been pushed yet to a local package? the XXX irritates the perl tests. would i just take the next number? if i deployed such a package and later upgraded, would everything explode because there is going to be another db revision with the same number? |
| 08:50 | kf | drojf: maybe just do an executable sql file? |
| 08:50 | there are probably examples in atomicsomething | |
| 08:50 | I wouldn't mess with version numbers | |
| 08:50 | it was said that the new updatedatabase mechanism will solve that... but I haven't looked at it yet | |
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| 09:08 | drojf | kf: i am thinking of having a package of koha3.x.x + bug_12345. to apply the patch i have to put something there. |
| 09:17 | @wunder berlin, germany | |
| 09:17 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -0.2°C (10:13 AM CET on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
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| 09:55 | gerundio | I'm getting this warning "zebraidx(23223) [warn] Missing attribute 'type' in attribute info" |
| 09:55 | any idea on how to fix it? | |
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| 10:12 | vfernandes | hi :) |
| 10:13 | gerundio | hey vfernandes, bom dia |
| 10:13 | vfernandes | bom dia :) |
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| 11:06 | H | i'm fighting with koha here Net::Z3950::ZOOM XML::LibXSLT are missing i tried aptitude search lib...-...-perl sudo apt-get install lib...-...-perl anny more tips here (i work on a virtual server) |
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| 11:25 | slef | H: what happened then you tried aptitude or apt-get? |
| 11:25 | second question? | |
| 11:25 | wahanui | second question is "What is the exact error message?" |
| 11:26 | gerundio | H, the command you used was 'apt-get install libxml-libxslt-perl'? |
| 11:26 | I was able to install that lib on my server with that exact same command | |
| 11:29 | kf | H: which version are you trying to install on which OS? |
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| 11:55 | H | ubuntu 12.04 lts virtual machine i try 3.8.07 |
| 11:55 | kf | H: what is your goal? do you want to do development or just see how koha works? |
| 11:56 | H: have you seen the packages? | |
| 11:56 | packages? | |
| 11:56 | wahanui | i think packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 11:56 | kf | you can install all dependencies very easily using the packages |
| 11:58 | H | just a koha library no development .... sudo apt-get install koha-common does not work on my virtual machine so i wen t for the installation procedure in the txtfile (i've installed my test machine 6 months ago 3.8.1 this way) |
| 11:59 | kf | you have to add it to your sources list first |
| 11:59 | H | but now he wont move i tried cpan also but also no good |
| 11:59 | i did do that | |
| 11:59 | kf | the repositor |
| 11:59 | and did it give you an error? | |
| 11:59 | H | $ echo deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list |
| 12:00 | this one | |
| 12:00 | wahanui | it has been said that this one is cool as long as someone *wants* acknowledgement |
| 12:00 | H | this one again echo deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list |
| 12:00 | kf | i have never done it that way, i normally go by the wiki instructions |
| 12:01 | H | welll on my pc at home it works also lol :) |
| 12:01 | kf | ah ok :) |
| 12:01 | not sure then | |
| 12:01 | maybe someone else has an idea | |
| 12:02 | H | ill keep searching ... :OP |
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| 12:14 | H | annyone knows how to solve this http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/term.jpg |
| 12:18 | jcamins_away | H: yes, use packages. |
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| 12:25 | H | with packages i get http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/term2.jpg |
| 12:27 | jcamins | H: I only see a log from trying to install libxml2-dev. |
| 12:28 | tcohen | it sounds familiar... some1 pulling i386 packages on a amd64 box because of --set-selections maybe? |
| 12:29 | wajasu | ok. got my script somewhat working that generates auth records. the modbiblio works fine, adding my $9 links. after zebra rebuild of biblios and auths i'm seeing consolidated bibs under the same heading now. |
| 12:29 | jcamins | What I'd do is set up an apt line adding the oldstable repo then `sudo apt-get remove libxml2-dev; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install koha` |
| 12:29 | wajasu: told you it would go a lot better if you wrote a script intended to do that. | |
| 12:29 | tcohen | dpkg --get-selections | grep i386 |
| 12:30 | (is it an amd64 box?) | |
| 12:30 | H | checking |
| 12:30 | tcohen | uname -a |
| 12:30 | wajasu | :) |
| 12:30 | H | Linux koha-pr 3.2.0-24-virtual #39-Ubuntu SMP Mon May 21 18:44:18 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 12:31 | tcohen | did u use dpkg --set-selections < something? |
| 12:31 | H | yes |
| 12:31 | tcohen | that's the problem |
| 12:31 | H | what can i do ? |
| 12:31 | jcamins | tcohen: didn't we update the instructions to say to not do that? |
| 12:31 | H: use the packages rather than the tarball. | |
| 12:31 | H | the instructions did not work so |
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| 12:32 | jcamins | H: did you add an apt line? |
| 12:32 | tcohen | it was intended, in conjunction with bug 8840 |
| 12:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8840 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , ubuntu-pkg-check.sh fix and extend functionality |
| 12:33 | tcohen | H, let me think for a minute |
| 12:33 | jcamins | H: I promise you, we can get Koha working with packages. |
| 12:33 | H | 1) i did do $ sudo apt-get install dselect $ sudo dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/ubuntu.12.04.packages $ sudo dselect |
| 12:34 | that was 2) | |
| 12:34 | jcamins | Yeah, that doesn't work. |
| 12:34 | H | i then tried to install the dependecies that did not work |
| 12:35 | first with sudo apt-get install lib...-...-perl | |
| 12:35 | jcamins | Right, so I'd start by removing libxml2-dev |
| 12:35 | H | then i tried cpan |
| 12:35 | how do i do that ? | |
| 12:35 | only have 4 not working dependensies left | |
| 12:35 | i started with 10 so :) | |
| 12:36 | tcohen | for i in $(dpkg --get-selections | grep i386 | cut -f1) ; do echo -e "$i\tdeinstall" >> deinstall_list ; done |
| 12:36 | jcamins | `sudo apt-get remove libxml2-dev` |
| 12:36 | Ooh, tcohen's script will do it even faster. | |
| 12:36 | tcohen | dpkg --set-selections < deinstall_list |
| 12:36 | so it stops pulling i386 deps? | |
| 12:36 | i need to break my box like you to test | |
| 12:36 | H | ehm i did run the script |
| 12:37 | how do i know its ok | |
| 12:37 | it did not gave errors :) | |
| 12:38 | tcohen | wait a minute |
| 12:38 | im breaking my box | |
| 12:38 | to test first | |
| 12:38 | H | i'm not going annywhere |
| 12:39 | * jcamins | will let tcohen take over, since he's willing to spend a lot more time testing this sort of thing. |
| 12:39 | H | thx and sorry for the trouble |
| 12:40 | jcamins | This is why I always tell people to use the packages. |
| 12:40 | Fewer moving parts. | |
| 12:47 | tcohen | we need to fully support Ubuntu then, because its really widespread |
| 12:47 | H, i'm still testing | |
| 12:47 | H | still here |
| 12:47 | :) | |
| 12:48 | i'm taking notes so next time i maybe do it with less problems | |
| 12:48 | jcamins | tcohen: Ubuntu is fully-supported with packages. |
| 12:48 | tcohen: it is only the tarball that doesn't work with Ubuntu. | |
| 12:49 | (apparently... I didn't know that before now) | |
| 12:49 | tcohen | H grab the ubuntu-pkg-check.sh file from the patch for 8840, it will print a copy and paste list of packages to tell apt-get to install |
| 12:50 | jcamins, true | |
| 12:50 | the install instructions for ubuntu are broken a while ago | |
| 12:50 | because of that --set-selections step | |
| 12:51 | thats why mark and i put some effort on that ubuntu-pkg-check.sh script | |
| 12:51 | H | i found ubuntu-pkg-check.sh |
| 12:52 | ill do ? | |
| 12:53 | this one /koha/koha-3.08.07/install_misc/ubuntu-pkg-check.sh | |
| 12:57 | jcamins | tcohen: what about just doing sudo apt-get -y install `cat install_misc/ubuntu.12.04.packages | grep install | sed -e 's/install\$//' | tr -d ' \\t' | tr '\\n' ' '` 2>&1 |
| 12:58 | tcohen | that would be ok |
| 12:59 | its similar to the script actually | |
| 12:59 | H | i try ? |
| 12:59 | jcamins | Sure, it's worth a try. |
| 12:59 | H | ok there we go |
| 13:01 | http://mibpaste.com/6JeFHr | |
| 13:02 | jcamins | Looks like you still have a whole bunch of i386 packages installed. |
| 13:02 | You'll need to remove all of them. | |
| 13:04 | (you do this by running `sudo apt-get remove ${PKG_NAME} ${PKG_NAME}:i386` | |
| 13:04 | At least, I believe that is how you do it. | |
| 13:04 | I only ever use packages. | |
| 13:05 | H | ok that was faster then 1 by 1 |
| 13:05 | jcamins | It didn't do anything. |
| 13:05 | tcohen | got it |
| 13:05 | jcamins | You have to replace ${PKG_NAME} with each package you want to remove. |
| 13:05 | Oh good, now I return you to tcohen. | |
| 13:06 | H | ow ok so i go 1by 1 then :) |
| 13:06 | tcohen | dpkg --get-selections '*' > selections |
| 13:06 | dpkg --clear-selections | |
| 13:06 | for i in $(dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall | cut -f1) ; do echo -e "$i\tinstall" >> install_list ; done | |
| 13:07 | dpkg --set-selections < install_list | |
| 13:07 | H | is this afther i removed them ? |
| 13:07 | tcohen | and test everything is back to normal |
| 13:07 | apt-get dselect-upgrade | |
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| 13:07 | tcohen | this will remove those i386 pull requests |
| 13:07 | nengard | is there a way in mysql to get all subjects (all 650s) in one column? Some sort of CONCAT I'm sure ? just not sure how specifically |
| 13:08 | jcamins | nengard: there's an example of a report that does exactly that on the wiki. |
| 13:08 | nengard: you wrote it. | |
| 13:08 | nengard | don't think mine was done efficiently |
| 13:08 | but i'll take a look again | |
| 13:08 | H | ok i dont do the `sudo apt-get remove ${PKG_NAME} ${PKG_NAME}:i386` but i do your code just a sec |
| 13:08 | jcamins | There's nothing efficient about accessing MARCXML directly in MySQL, but it'll work. |
| 13:09 | nengard | jcamins http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]yword_in_subjects |
| 13:09 | that shows each subject heading once | |
| 13:09 | i want to grab all 650s in one column | |
| 13:09 | pastebot | "tcohen" at 172.16.248.199 pasted "This secquence should revert t" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/309 |
| 13:10 | nengard | wait - that doesn't even show subjects :) that's finds specific words - sorry I'm very tired |
| 13:10 | if i concat the 650 and group by biblionumber will that work? | |
| 13:11 | jcamins | ExtractValue always concats all the values it matches, doesn't it? |
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| 13:12 | H | http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/term3.jpg |
| 13:12 | tcohen | run apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 13:12 | (it shouldnt say it needs i386 dependencies) | |
| 13:13 | if that's true, then you can use jcamins's command to install all the deps | |
| 13:14 | nengard | jcamins i have a report that it's not |
| 13:15 | i'll test | |
| 13:15 | H | http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/term4.jpg |
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| 13:17 | H | i lost the jcamins command |
| 13:18 | tcohen | first issue this: |
| 13:18 | jcamins | sudo apt-get -y install `cat install_misc/ubuntu.12.04.packages | grep install | sed -e 's/install\$//' | tr -d ' \\t' | tr '\\n' ' '` |
| 13:18 | H | ah do i try or wait ? |
| 13:18 | tcohen | echo "libxslt1-dev:i386 deinstall" | dpkg --set-selections |
| 13:18 | not sure why is still pulling it | |
| 13:20 | H | sudo echo "libxslt1-dev:i386 deinstall" | dpkg --set-selections dpkg: error: operation requires read/write access to dpkg status area |
| 13:20 | tcohen | put sudo before the dpkg thing |
| 13:21 | H | no error |
| 13:22 | ill run the command from jcamins ? | |
| 13:23 | nengard | jcamins - okay i understand he says there is no separator punctuation that way - it's just s a space |
| 13:23 | tcohen | i'd rather run the koha_perl_deps.pl script |
| 13:23 | and then install by hands the missing bits | |
| 13:23 | jsut in case | |
| 13:24 | H | sorry i need some guidance here lol |
| 13:25 | tcohen | ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m -u -c |
| 13:25 | jcamins | nengard: right, there's no way around that that I'm aware of. |
| 13:25 | tcohen | (sitting on the koha sources dir) |
| 13:25 | nengard | yup, that's what I'm gonna say |
| 13:25 | thanks for bearing with me tired brain | |
| 13:25 | my tired brain ? not me | |
| 13:27 | H | http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/term5.jpg |
| 13:28 | 2 that are required | |
| 13:28 | tcohen | H: apt-get install libdbd-sqlite2-perl libgraphics-magick-perl libnet-z3950-zoom-perl libxml-libxslt-perl |
| 13:31 | H | http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/term6.jpg |
| 13:31 | magnuse | w00t - got search to work on the 3.10 packages! |
| 13:31 | H | gratz :) |
| 13:31 | jcamins | magnuse: yay! |
| 13:37 | tcohen | H, did u get it to install properly? |
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| 13:40 | H | see screenshot |
| 13:40 | dont think it happened | |
| 13:41 | tcohen | sudo apt-get remove libxslt1-dev:i386 |
| 13:41 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9019: Return item fields in ILS-DI GetRecords <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5e636503604961674> / Bug 9191 follow-up: remove example updatedatabase stanzas <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5aa20da54a52534d8> / Bug 9191: updatedatabase.pl should only run updates up to the current version <http://git.koha-commun |
| 13:41 | H | done |
| 13:41 | tcohen | sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade ? |
| 13:42 | is it still pulling i386 stuff? | |
| 13:42 | do u know how to go private on your IRC client? | |
| 13:42 | H | no |
| 13:42 | tcohen | i think we are spamming a lot |
| 13:42 | jcamins | H: double click tcohen's name in the nick list on the right. :) |
| 13:42 | H | test |
| 13:43 | jcamins | Hm. No, that's not quite right. I thought it opened a separate window. |
| 13:43 | Or tab. | |
| 13:43 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #972 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 13:43 | Project Koha_master build #972: FAILURE in 11 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/972/ | |
| 13:43 | * veron: Bug 9056 - Add more translations to table language_descriptions | |
| 13:43 | * jcamins: Bug 9056: Increment version number | |
| 13:43 | * jcamins: Bug 9191: updatedatabase.pl should only run updates up to the current version | |
| 13:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9056 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, NEW , Add more translations to table language_descriptions |
| 13:43 | jenkins_koha | * jcamins: Bug 9191 follow-up: remove example updatedatabase stanzas |
| 13:43 | * julian.maurice: Bug 9019: Return item fields in ILS-DI GetRecords | |
| 13:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9191 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , updatedatabase.pl must have ability to run updates only up to a particular revision |
| 13:43 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9019 minor, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , ILS-DI: GetRecords should return item fields in marcxml | |
| 13:44 | jcamins | Huh? |
| 13:44 | !jenkins build master | |
| 13:44 | jenkins_koha | jcamins: syntax is: 'build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]*' |
| 13:44 | jcamins | !jenkins build master now |
| 13:44 | jenkins_koha | jcamins: syntax is: 'build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]*' |
| 13:45 | jcamins | !jenkins build Koha_Master now |
| 13:45 | jenkins_koha | jcamins: job Koha_Master build scheduled now |
| 13:45 | Starting build #973 for job Koha_master (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #971 2 days 22 hr ago) | |
| 13:45 | Project Koha_master build #973: STILL FAILING in 6.5 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/973/ | |
| 13:46 | jcamins | @later tell rangi I'm getting a permission denied error on jenkins. Any idea why? |
| 13:46 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:48 | jcamins | !jenkins build Koha_3.10.x now |
| 13:48 | jenkins_koha | jcamins: job Koha_3.10.x build scheduled now |
| 13:48 | Starting build #30 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
| 13:50 | jcamins | Okay, so it's something about master. |
| 13:51 | drojf | you're not the master of master |
| 13:51 | jcamins | drojf: apparently not! |
| 13:51 | I just ran an installation off of master no problem. | |
| 13:51 | drojf | unfair! |
| 13:51 | jcamins | Agreed. |
| 13:52 | drojf | on a sidenote, i miss my daily email from sjohnson. |
| 13:52 | jcamins | lol |
| 13:53 | kf | drojf: now you feel neglected? |
| 13:53 | jcamins | khall: around? |
| 13:54 | drojf | kf: yes. i bet s/he has a different mailing list now :'( |
| 13:57 | kf: but i have hope. christmas is coming, s/he will be out of office again :) | |
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| 14:01 | magnuse | drojf: i can set up a cron job to send you daily (or hourly) mails? |
| 14:03 | drojf | aaaw :) |
| 14:04 | magnuse | maybe i could throw a google group into the mix too :-) |
| 14:05 | kf | magnuse: you are spoiling him |
| 14:05 | magnuse: have to keep some of the christmas presents a secret at least | |
| 14:05 | jcamins | Hehe. |
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| 14:08 | drojf | lol magnuse |
| 14:09 | you know how to make a drojf happy :D | |
| 14:11 | slef | huginn: query missing ] |
| 14:11 | huginn | slef: Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands. |
| 14:11 | slef | huginn: query "missing ]" |
| 14:11 | huginn | slef: No results for "missing ]." |
| 14:11 | slef | huginn: query backups |
| 14:11 | huginn | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8437 major, P2, ---, jcamins, In Discussion , Plack and database backup |
| 14:11 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8849 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Error log generated when not a demo system | |
| 14:11 | slef | huginn: query koha-run-backups |
| 14:11 | huginn | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8849 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Error log generated when not a demo system |
| 14:12 | slef | nope, that's not it |
| 14:15 | Bug 9260 has been added to the database | |
| 14:15 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9260 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , koha-run-backups complains "[: 97: missing ]" |
| 14:15 | slef | coding guidelines? |
| 14:15 | wahanui | coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines |
| 14:16 | vfernandes | which is the best way to test a bug using git? |
| 14:16 | slef | vfernandes: test the suggested patch, you mean? |
| 14:16 | vfernandes | yes... |
| 14:17 | slef | if so, there's a "git qa" alias on the wiki which may help - uses git-bz which is also linked in the wiki |
| 14:18 | kf | vfernandes: what I do is create a new branch, confirm the bug, apply patch wit git bz apply, then test, git commit --amend -s and then git bz attach -e |
| 14:19 | vfernandes | ok thanks |
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| 14:22 | vfernandes | what's happening with bug 1993? |
| 14:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1993 enhancement, P3, ---, sophie.meynieux, In Discussion , Task Scheduler Needs Re-write |
| 14:24 | jcamins | Nothing. |
| 14:24 | wahanui | nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though |
| 14:24 | jcamins | No one has addressed the security concerns. |
| 14:25 | vfernandes | Failed to merge in the changes. Patch failed at 0001 Bug 1993: Improving task scheduler When you have resolved this problem run "git am --resolved". If you would prefer to skip this patch, instead run "git am --skip". To restore the original branch and stop patching run "git am --abort". Patch left in /tmp/Signed-Off-Bug-1993-Improving-task-scheduler-5KDy9a.p |
| 14:25 | when running "git bz apply 1993" | |
| 14:25 | jcamins | I would recommend focusing on patches that are marked "Need signoff" |
| 14:25 | That's a git conflict. You'll get those with older patches. | |
| 14:26 | vfernandes | ok... |
| 14:26 | jcamins | I'd recommend against spending time on that patch. |
| 14:27 | It's been signed off for months, and no one has addressed the security concerns. | |
| 14:28 | Here's a list of bugs awaiting sign off: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]gnoff&sharer_id=1 | |
| 14:28 | vfernandes | ok jcamins... but I have a client problem that they want to use schedule task |
| 14:29 | which is exactly that bug | |
| 14:29 | slef | A value must be set for the 'Patch complexity' field. |
| 14:29 | buh | |
| 14:30 | There is no 'Patch complexity' field! | |
| 14:30 | jcamins | slef: change the status to "Needs signoff" but don't save it, then the patch complexity field shows up. |
| 14:30 | wahanui | jcamins: that doesn't look right |
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| 14:30 | jcamins | vfernandes: in that case, you could review the security concerns and try to address them. |
| 14:30 | slef | wahanui++ |
| 14:31 | jcamins: how do I change the status without saving it? | |
| 14:31 | jcamins | slef: in the dropdown. |
| 14:31 | You'll see what I mean. | |
| 14:31 | slef | jcamins: done that. There is no field. |
| 14:31 | jcamins | I don't know of a better way to explain. |
| 14:31 | * slef | looks at the page source code |
| 14:31 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #30: SUCCESS in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/30/ |
| 14:31 | kf | self: try refresh f5 or something |
| 14:32 | it's javascript - drojf had problems too | |
| 14:32 | slef | Grrrrrrr |
| 14:32 | kf | complexity was not showing up for him, it's in yesterday's logs somewhere |
| 14:32 | vfernandes | security concerns? |
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| 14:32 | slef | wahanui: last --regex complexity --nolimit |
| 14:32 | oops | |
| 14:33 | wahanui: last --regex /complexity/ --nolimit | |
| 14:33 | wahanui: last --regexp /complexity/ --nolimit | |
| 14:33 | wahanui: you suck | |
| 14:33 | wahanui | slef: excuse me? |
| 14:33 | slef | wrong bot |
| 14:33 | huginn: last --regexp /complexity/ --nolimit | |
| 14:33 | huginn | slef: [14:33:07] <slef> wahanui: last --regexp /complexity/ --nolimit, [14:33:04] <slef> wahanui: last --regex /complexity/ --nolimit, [14:32:57] <slef> wahanui: last --regex complexity --nolimit, [14:32:24] <kf> complexity was not showing up for him, it's in yesterday's logs somewhere, [14:30:42] <jcamins> slef: change the status to "Needs signoff" but don't save it, then the patch complexity field shows up., (1 more message) |
| 14:33 | slef | @more |
| 14:33 | huginn | slef: [14:30:22] <slef> There is no 'Patch complexity' field!, and [14:29:26] <slef> A value must be set for the 'Patch complexity' field. |
| 14:33 | slef | huginn: you suck too |
| 14:33 | huginn | slef: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 14:33 | slef | logs? |
| 14:33 | wahanui | i think logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 14:33 | jcamins | vfernandes: yes, they're on the bug. |
| 14:34 | kf | it worked now after restart and ctrl+f5 < |
| 14:34 | slef | <drojf> it worked now after restart and ctrl+f5 |
| 14:35 | nope, can't see it | |
| 14:35 | guess I have to permit bugs.k-c.o to run javascript | |
| 14:35 | :-( | |
| 14:35 | jcamins | slef: probably, yes. |
| 14:36 | slef | that doesn't look like it's worked |
| 14:36 | where should complexity appear? | |
| 14:36 | jcamins | Right under "Sponsored." |
| 14:36 | slef | aha, so it does |
| 14:37 | bloody miles away from the other dropdown | |
| 14:37 | as in, 1 page up, 1 page right :-/ | |
| 14:37 | Changes submitted for bug 9260 | |
| 14:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9260 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , koha-run-backups complains "[: 97: missing ]" |
| 14:38 | slef | vfernandes: I'll trade you that for the scheduler if you like |
| 14:39 | drojf | slef: another fan of the complexity field i understand |
| 14:39 | jcamins | @later tell rangi Could you please make the patch complexity field optional and always visible? |
| 14:39 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:40 | jcamins | @later tell rangi The patch complexity field on bugs.k-c.org. |
| 14:40 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
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| 14:40 | drojf | if it's optional it may be invisible too :P |
| 14:40 | vfernandes | slef you want me to sign off the bug? |
| 14:41 | jcamins | drojf: people will learn to set it. |
| 14:42 | drojf: but I have wasted far more time explaining to people how to set it than I would requesting that people set it. | |
| 14:42 | kf | jcamins: the problem was it hast to be optional then |
| 14:42 | not mandatory | |
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| 14:42 | jcamins | kf: yes, that's why I asked that he make it optional. |
| 14:42 | drojf | if it is optional, noone is ever going to ask again ;) |
| 14:42 | kf | all ok with that |
| 14:43 | jcamins | drojf: right. |
| 14:43 | drojf: the people who develop a lot will fill it in because their RM demands it. | |
| 14:43 | drojf | that may be the point when the release manager's pointy stick comes in |
| 14:43 | slef | vfernandes: review it. Only signoff if you agree with it ;-) |
| 14:43 | jcamins | The people who don't develop dozens of patches don't actually need to set patch complexity, as far as I'm concerned. |
| 14:43 | slef | Bug 9262 has been added to the database |
| 14:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9262 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patch complexity field user interface is awkward to use |
| 14:44 | jcamins | lol |
| 14:44 | slef | @later tell rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9262 |
| 14:44 | huginn | slef: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:44 | 04Bug 9262: major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patch complexity field user interface is awkward to use | |
| 14:44 | jcamins | @later tell rangi At this point we're just trying to see if we can leave more than 10k words with huginn for you. |
| 14:44 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:45 | drojf | @later tell rangi sjohnson says 'hi!' |
| 14:45 | huginn | drojf: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:45 | slef | @later tell rangi (1 more message(s) - say "more" to view) |
| 14:45 | huginn | slef: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:45 | drojf | lol |
| 14:46 | paul_p | druthb = seems translate.koha-community.org is down again :'( |
| 14:47 | drojf | did it move already? |
| 14:47 | druthb | I'll restart things again. Very peculiar. |
| 14:47 | No, it hasn't. | |
| 14:47 | vfernandes | slef: ./koha-run-backups: 58: ./koha-run-backups: koha-list: not found |
| 14:47 | drojf | then i wouldn't mind, just burn the old machine :P |
| 14:48 | slef | vfernandes: ah, dang, you'd need to have the packages installed already :-/ |
| 14:48 | jcamins | khall: around? |
| 14:48 | khall | indeed, what's up? |
| 14:48 | druthb | do not tempt me in that fashion, drojf. Gotta get it moved first. |
| 14:49 | jcamins | I'm looking at bug 7067, and I was hoping you could walk me through some of it. |
| 14:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7067 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac |
| 14:49 | jcamins | Let me switch to that branch. |
| 14:49 | khall | ok |
| 14:50 | jcamins | Here we go. |
| 14:51 | So I was looking at your unit test (84% statement coverage, BTW, very nice!), and I was wondering why you'd decided to make Koha::Borrower::Modifications OO. | |
| 14:51 | khall | I was told anything in the Koha namespace had to be OO or it wouldn't be accepted |
| 14:52 | vfernandes | slef I can't test it, but the bug patch is very simple... |
| 14:52 | slef | vfernandes: can you understand shell script and what the bug was before (the [ command thought the ] was on the end of the argument and not the closing ] delimiter)? |
| 14:52 | jcamins | Nope. Anything for which OO makes sense should be OO, but if you have procedural data, the code can be procedural. |
| 14:53 | Let me find the guidlines. | |
| 14:53 | coding guidelines? | |
| 14:53 | wahanui | coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines |
| 14:53 | paul_p | druthb strange, because I can promise that 10mn ago, we waited for a page for more than 2 minuts, and never got any results :( |
| 14:54 | jcamins | khall: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]amespace_QA_Rules ("use Object Oriented (OO) style everywhere it makes sense") |
| 14:54 | druthb | oh, I'm sure. It was locked up hard. I have restarted apache, and it's chugging along nicely now, for me, paul_p. Working for you? |
| 14:54 | paul_p | druthb yep, it works again. strange |
| 14:54 | vfernandes | yes I understand the shell script and where the problem was |
| 14:54 | khall | jcamins, that's good to know. I've been shot down on patches in the past *only* because they were not OO. Either my shooter didn't know this, or the rules were changed. |
| 14:55 | However, I don't think there is anything wrong with it being OO | |
| 14:55 | * jcamins | thinks the former. |
| 14:55 | khall | If we get dbix class in, this code could become part of the class file for that table |
| 14:57 | jcamins | The part of the OO code that troubles me is the if (ref($self)) idiom. |
| 14:57 | khall | didn't I get that fixed? Or did I miss something. |
| 14:57 | drojf | fwiw i got a "QA comment: This patch has one problem that must be solved before being pushed : the Koha:: namespace must contain OO code only, the Koha/HTML5Media.pm is not OO" once from paul_p |
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| 14:58 | drojf | maybe you people should have a fight over it |
| 14:58 | jcamins | drojf: well, as the current RM I declare we are going to follow the guidelines the community agreed upon. |
| 14:58 | khall: line 206, 233, and 268 are where I spotted it. | |
| 14:59 | Oh, and 320. | |
| 14:59 | wahanui | 320 |
| 14:59 | kroditi | druthb: hi ruth its paul teaching translation to kroditi |
| 14:59 | jcamins | Sorry. |
| 14:59 | Missed one. | |
| 15:00 | paul_p | kroditi hello !!! |
| 15:00 | * kf | is confused now |
| 15:00 | khall | I can fix those. Just for my own education, what is the problem with that idiom? |
| 15:00 | paul_p | kroditi hello again !!! |
| 15:01 | jcamins | khall: the problem is that it makes for two entirely separate code pathways. |
| 15:01 | One is procedural, where you call the routines with Koha::Borrower::Modifications->GetModifications(borrowernumber => $number) | |
| 15:02 | The other is OO, where you call the routine $mymodifications->GetModifications() | |
| 15:03 | khall | ok, I'm still not understanding why it's a problem. What are the ill effects? Or is it just bad style? |
| 15:03 | jcamins | It's stylistically problematic, but it also makes unit tests difficult. |
| 15:05 | It's the latter that troubles me more. | |
| 15:05 | As the original author, it is your right to dictate the One True Way for retrieving Borrower Modifications in Koha. | |
| 15:05 | khall | gotcha. I was trying to make those subs work both statically and dymanically |
| 15:06 | jcamins | Yeah, that's unnecessary. |
| 15:06 | khall | cool. I'll get hose fixed up |
| 15:07 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 15:07 | khall | no problem! |
| 15:08 | jcamins | I also had a comment on the new() routine: the three lines starting with "my $self =" are unnecessary. By blessing $args directly, you eliminate the need to copy member variables. |
| 15:09 | And, finally, you're still passing hashes rather than hashrefs for new(), DelModifications(), and GetModifications(). | |
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| 15:10 | jcamins | Sorry, just kidding. One more thing: in the test you should create the patron records that you're modifying. I don't have a patron named "Kyle Hall." |
| 15:12 | paul_p | druthb = sorry to bug you, but it's down again...or at least very very very slow... |
| 15:12 | druthb | checking |
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| 15:13 | druthb | yeah, it's memory-bound. gonna have to reboot things. give me a minute or two here. |
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| 15:15 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 15:16 | druthb | Fortunately, the system tcohen built for us has more memory, paul_p. It should be back up now. |
| 15:16 | mtompset | Greetings, druthb. |
| 15:16 | druthb | Hi, mtompset. :) |
| 15:16 | libsysguy | how much mem do you need? |
| 15:17 | mtompset | I'd prefer to know how big are your circulation numbers and catalog. :) |
| 15:17 | druthb | The server it's on now has 2 GB. tcohen's box has 4 GB. It takes a pretty grunty server to run. mtompset: we're talking about the Pootle server, not a Koha box. |
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| 15:17 | slef | ok, after considering the security concerns, with a signed-off patch, should I set status to Signed Off or Pushed for QA? |
| 15:17 | libsysguy | geez tcohen its only the first date |
| 15:17 | :p | |
| 15:17 | mtompset | Ah... Pootle... right, Queen of Translations. :) |
| 15:18 | slef | (= I'm OK with it) |
| 15:18 | druthb | :P |
| 15:19 | drojf | hi mtompset |
| 15:19 | mtompset | Greeting, drojf. Long time no chat. :) |
| 15:19 | slef | Changes submitted for bug 1993 |
| 15:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1993 enhancement, P3, ---, sophie.meynieux, Signed Off , Task Scheduler Needs Re-write |
| 15:19 | drojf | mtompset: true. not much koha time for youß |
| 15:19 | ? | |
| 15:19 | mtompset | Well, in November my family and I relocated back to Canada. |
| 15:20 | oleonard | I hope the transition went well mtompset |
| 15:20 | kf | slef: so are the security concerns no longer existing? |
| 15:20 | mtompset | So, it's been jet lag and a bit of running around for Christmas and red-tape. |
| 15:20 | paul_p | druthb strange, I can reach the http://translate.koha-community.org/el/310/, but not the http://translate.koha-communit[…]000.po/translate/ |
| 15:20 | mtompset | So, this is only the second time I've been on IRC since in Canada. |
| 15:21 | I figured I should come here to see if kf was having a late night. :) | |
| 15:21 | * druthb | beats her head against the wall, repeatedly. |
| 15:21 | kf | mtompset: ? |
| 15:21 | drojf | druthb: don't do that |
| 15:21 | mtompset | bug 8840 |
| 15:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8840 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , ubuntu-pkg-check.sh fix and extend functionality |
| 15:21 | drojf | the poor wall :P |
| 15:22 | * mtompset | high fives drojf. |
| 15:22 | drojf | o/\o |
| 15:23 | kf | slef: I think the problem Vitor notedhas not been addressed? looking from the outside this looks like a failed qa for me for this |
| 15:23 | oleonard | julian_m around? |
| 15:23 | kf | slef: secuirty reasons set aside |
| 15:23 | druthb | paul_p: Something is apparently amiss--trying to figure out what. But when you do that, mysql just *hangs* on a query there, and sends the system into swapping spasms. |
| 15:24 | slef | kf: the security concerns only existed if you installed multiple Koha sites without user-isolating them = your sysadmin cut corners. |
| 15:24 | julian_m | oleonard, yes ? |
| 15:24 | kf | slef: not all libraries installing koha have a sysadmin |
| 15:24 | mtompset | user-isolating? |
| 15:24 | slef | kf: true, I only tried to resolve the security concerns. |
| 15:24 | paul_p | druthb = suggestion: there are some invalid translation (ie 4 %s in english, only 3 %s in greek). Maybe pootle is confused by this ? |
| 15:24 | kf | so if a feature is on by default that can cause a flaw - I am not feeling comfortable with that |
| 15:24 | slef | kf: how many install multiple Kohas? |
| 15:24 | kf | witht he packages? |
| 15:25 | more and more every day | |
| 15:25 | paul_p | druthb = at least that made poedit-windows core dump... |
| 15:25 | kf | because it's super easy |
| 15:25 | slef | no, the packages avoid it completely |
| 15:25 | oleonard | julian_m: Have you ever worked with require.js? (http://requirejs.org/) |
| 15:25 | druthb | could be. Hard to believe the darn thing is *that* fragile, though, that user error like that could trash the whole works. |
| 15:25 | kf | slef: I think maybe we should ask semarie to take a look for security |
| 15:25 | julian_m | oleonard, never heard about it... what is it ? |
| 15:26 | slef | kf: for the security vulnerabilities to occur, you would need to run all virtualhosts as the same user (bad) and install multiple koha virtualhosts without realising they could interact (bad) |
| 15:26 | oleonard | julian_m: It's a way to asynchronously load javascript dependencies |
| 15:26 | slef | kf: if you use the packages, koha virtualhosts have their own users. |
| 15:26 | kf: so no problem. | |
| 15:26 | oleonard | julian_m: I'm just learning about it, but I hear great things about it |
| 15:27 | julian_m | oleonard, so the browser load only js files it needs ? |
| 15:27 | oleonard | julian_m: The idea is to load one js file (require.js) and then pass a configuration file to require.js telling it what other dependencies you need. |
| 15:27 | mtompset | Ewww... slef, are you saying people install multiple koha's, but use the same DB? |
| 15:28 | slef | mtompset: no, they'd need to install multiple koha's and run as the same system user (rather than koha-lib1, koha-lib2... like the packages do). |
| 15:28 | druthb | paul_p: It's working for me, now. Don't know what was triggering that hung query. |
| 15:28 | oleonard | julian_m: I'm just beginning to learn about it |
| 15:28 | slef | kf: there is another way to implement it, the equivalent of generalising rbuild_zebra = a job that runs every 5 minutes, looks to see what tasks it should do. That has its own benefits and drawbacks, so it's hard to say what's best. |
| 15:28 | mtompset | Oh, okay. Now I get what you mean. |
| 15:28 | kf | slef: I think I am going to leave this to wiser people (who know more about system administrationm) |
| 15:29 | julian_m | oleonard, ok, let me know if you find something interesting ;) |
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| 15:32 | Manderson1 | There was some friction between liblime and the koha community. Has that been resolved? |
| 15:32 | oleonard | Ha! |
| 15:32 | drojf | mtompset: i think using one db for several koha instances does exist when people want to have different OPACs layouts but share the data |
| 15:33 | khall | jcamins, new qa followup submitted for bug 7067 |
| 15:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7067 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac |
| 15:33 | jcamins | khall: thanks. I'll take a look shortly. |
| 15:33 | kf | Manderson1: I think you will have to explain why you are asking maybe. I thas been resolved as in 'separated' |
| 15:33 | oleonard | Manderson1: We do our best to ignore Liblime because they don't want to participate in our project. Why do you ask? |
| 15:33 | jcamins | Right now I'm revising coding guidelines so there won't be confusion. |
| 15:33 | khall | cool |
| 15:34 | kf | Manderson1: and the Koha we develop and their software are very different |
| 15:36 | drojf | as are the conceptions of "free" and "open" |
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| 15:39 | tcohen | mtompset is back! |
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| 15:39 | mtompset | I missed you too, tcohen. ;) |
| 15:39 | tcohen | hahah |
| 15:40 | mtompset | Turns out our financial shortfall isn't as big as I was worried it would be, so just need to find 32 people at $25/month, and I'm back in the Koha game. :) |
| 15:42 | Well, errands to run. :) | |
| 15:43 | drojf | i could use 32 people at $25/month too |
| 15:43 | oleonard | Nice work if you can get it |
| 15:43 | mtompset_AFK | Yes, but do you work for a charitable organization? :P |
| 15:44 | jcamins | Could someone take a look at rules PERL14-PERL16, and let me know if they make sense? http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]s#PERL14:_Exports |
| 15:44 | oleonard | I work for a charitable organization wherein I am the beneficiary, but no one seems to agree that this counts |
| 15:44 | drojf | mtompset_AFK: i only spread the word of koha, not a god :P |
| 15:45 | mtompset_AFK | There in is our difference. :P -- And I'm not a preacher type. Just a cog in a larger translation ministry. :) |
| 15:47 | libsysguy | I only have one addition to perl16 |
| 15:47 | you should separate $self from $args | |
| 15:49 | jcamins | libsysguy: you mean make it clear that for OO code (which the example isn't) $self and $args are different? |
| 15:50 | paul_p | leaving Elidoc offices, back online in less than one hour ! |
| 15:50 | tcohen | libsysguy, do u think i went too fast with druthb? |
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| 15:56 | libsysguy | jcamins yes thats exactly what I meant |
| 15:56 | :p | |
| 15:56 | I had my OO hat on | |
| 15:58 | tcohen what do you mean? | |
| 15:58 | tcohen | "<libsysguy> geez tcohen its only the first date" |
| 15:58 | libsysguy | ohh you were asking about the size of my collection |
| 15:58 | it was a bad joke | |
| 15:59 | tcohen | oh, i get it, it was mtompset thou |
| 15:59 | * jcamins | adds PERL17. |
| 15:59 | libsysguy | soab, thats what I get for reading too many chat windows lol |
| 16:00 | haha @PERL17 | |
| 16:00 | rambutan | I think I should close my eyes. |
| 16:01 | kf | georgia++ |
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| 16:09 | mtompset_AFK | OH! Now I get it too. Yes, I think libsysguy meant me. You know the stats I was asking about are useful to guessing how big a Koha server should be. :P |
| 16:11 | mtompset | Okay, I'm back. |
| 16:15 | Out of curiousity, why PERL8? Is that for perl critic reasons? | |
| 16:16 | jcamins | myroutine($variable, undef, undef) is ugly. |
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| 16:21 | mtompset | but then you know how many parameters are there. |
| 16:22 | jcamins | mtompset: but you have no idea what they are without looking at the POD. |
| 16:23 | mtompset | Yes, but if someone adds code elsewhere, they may not pass a parameter that they could, because they were looking at the smaller call version. |
| 16:24 | jcamins | I'm not seeing how producing ugly code will help other people read documentation. |
| 16:24 | drojf | "PERL10: Verboten subroutine parameters" <-- 'verboten' made it into the english language? |
| 16:24 | jcamins | drojf: yes. |
| 16:24 | drojf | cool |
| 16:24 | one of the most german words :D | |
| 16:25 | mtompset | drojf: English takes other languages down a dark back alley and assaults them for language. |
| 16:25 | jcamins | lol |
| 16:25 | chris_n | hehe |
| 16:26 | drojf | verboten (Adj) Excluded from use or mention. Derived from the German word meaning forbidden. "I had no problem getting to second base with her, but the chastity belt told me going any further would be strictly verboten." |
| 16:27 | mtompset | http://imgfave.com/view/1698611 ("English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over the head, and goes through their pockets for loose grammar." |
| 16:28 | * jcamins | does a doubletake. |
| 16:28 | jcamins | drojf: interesting example you found there. |
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| 16:29 | drojf | great example at urbandictionary.com ;) |
| 16:29 | it's even pronounced vaguely german. cool | |
| 16:31 | Manderson1 | Thanks for the info on Community vs Liblime. I am just curious of how they stand as a company in the eyes of the open source community. |
| 16:31 | jcamins | Manderson1: they are not popular. |
| 16:31 | drojf | Manderson1: outside of it |
| 16:31 | Manderson1 | I have some information on how to install Koha on Red-hat...is it still relevant? |
| 16:31 | Do you want it for the wiki? | |
| 16:31 | oleonard | Manderson1: You can usually tell by how old it is |
| 16:32 | drojf | Manderson1: i believe it is, give us all you got |
| 16:32 | oleonard | Manderson1: Is it for a current version? |
| 16:32 | Manderson1 | oleonard: I know - their version seems dated. |
| 16:32 | oleonard: I installed 3.8 (I think) last month | |
| 16:32 | oleonard | that sounds quite relevant |
| 16:33 | Manderson1 | k, hang on |
| 16:33 | got a place you'd like me to paste it? | |
| 16:34 | or shall I just add it to the wiki? | |
| 16:34 | jcamins | You can just add it to the wiki. |
| 16:35 | Manderson1 | Ok...I'll do that. |
| 16:37 | drojf | Manderson1++ |
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| 16:44 | drojf | is the only thing that UseICU == 1 does change quotes in XSLT to curly brackets? |
| 16:45 | jcamins | drojf: yes. |
| 16:45 | drojf | heh. i'm slightly underwhelmed. don't know what i expected though |
| 16:45 | * jcamins | doesn't either. :P |
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| 16:47 | drojf | assuming it does that because $something does not work otherwise, wouldn't it have been less confusing to use curly brackets in general instead of syspref-ing this? |
| 16:47 | jcamins | That's what we did for a while. |
| 16:47 | Except curly brackets don't work when ICU is disabled. | |
| 16:47 | drojf | ah-oh |
| 16:47 | jcamins | Buggy CCL2RPN FTW! |
| 16:47 | drojf | heh |
| 16:48 | if only somebody would come and do a search rewrite | |
| 16:48 | jcamins | That's one of the few Zebra-related problems that isn't our fault. |
| 16:51 | drojf | do a zebra rewrite then, too :P |
| 16:51 | jcamins | No thanks. |
| 16:52 | It's one problem, and one which won't exist after the search rewrite. | |
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| 16:55 | drojf | \o/ |
| 16:56 | mtompset | He's a coding, cataloging expert, not a masochistic rewrite every search engine writer. ;) |
| 16:56 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 16:57 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "I am easily amused..." (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/310 |
| 16:57 | jcamins | You're welcome. |
| 16:59 | druthb | lulz |
| 17:00 | jcamins | There's a Shabbat song with the lyrics "bim bam" repeated over and over... I am imagining someone singing "fim bip, fim bam bip..." |
| 17:05 | druthb | I'm thinking of the Python "Election Night Special" sketch, and candidate "Tarquin Fintimlimbimlimbimwhimbimlin Bus Stop Ftang Ftang Olay Biscuit Barrel". |
| 17:05 | drojf | i would like to have something like that replace "last christmas" |
| 17:05 | jcamins | lol |
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| 17:07 | drojf | is 6pm a good time for looking at grs-1 to dom index conversion? i don't feel much like it. |
| 17:08 | jcamins | drojf: it's never a good time for that. |
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| 17:08 | jcamins | What are you trying to do? |
| 17:09 | drojf | because we had customized it a little in an older version and want to have that once we go live, but we have a new machine and 3.8 with DOM installed |
| 17:10 | and it would not hurt to know how it works with dom anyway. i figured it out with grs-1, it cannot be worse | |
| 17:10 | jcamins | True. |
| 17:11 | It's actually really easy. | |
| 17:17 | drojf | marcxml.recordtype: dom-config.xml |
| 17:17 | iso2709.recordtype: dom-config-marc.xml | |
| 17:17 | interesting choice of filenames. let's call the iso2709-file something with marc.xml and the marcxml-file something else :P | |
| 17:18 | jcamins | lol |
| 17:21 | mtompset | Have a good day (24 hour period) everyone. |
| 17:22 | drojf | do i just have to change biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl? |
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| 17:23 | drojf | that looks way to easy |
| 17:23 | jcamins | biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml and biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl. |
| 17:23 | biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl is automatically regenerated from biblio-koha-indexdefs. | |
| 17:24 | * cait | waves |
| 17:25 | cait | what are you 2 up to? :) |
| 17:25 | jcamins | Mischief! |
| 17:26 | drojf | alright. i had a look at this sometime in the past but never really worked with it |
| 17:26 | hi cait | |
| 17:29 | cait | :) |
| 17:33 | oleonard | Bug 9265 |
| 17:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9265 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Switch to HTML5 doctype in OPAC and staff client |
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| 17:44 | * drojf | heads home |
| 17:57 | magnuse | yay for html5 |
| 17:57 | oleonard | Too bad it complains about <link rel=”unapi-server”> |
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| 18:08 | tcohen | question, should apache2 and mysql-server be listed in install_misc/ubuntu.12.04.packages? |
| 18:08 | provided we tell the user how to install them separately on the docs? | |
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| 18:10 | cait | hi tcohen |
| 18:10 | working on the bug? | |
| 18:10 | tcohen | which one? |
| 18:10 | wahanui | well, which one is 3.6.x? |
| 18:10 | tcohen | :-D |
| 18:10 | cait | heh :) |
| 18:11 | tcohen | oh, hte one that failed qa |
| 18:11 | cait | the one I was looking at yesterday |
| 18:11 | tcohen | i'm about to post a patch for the docs |
| 18:11 | INSTALL.ubuntu.12.04 | |
| 18:11 | cait | ah cool :) |
| 18:11 | tcohen | that issues a oneliner for installing without the dpkg --set-selections mess |
| 18:11 | cait | was wondering what went wrong there |
| 18:12 | tcohen | there are two problems |
| 18:12 | first, ubuntu.*packages files might be outdated | |
| 18:13 | second, we intended to make use of an unused script for providing the users | |
| 18:13 | a sane way to install dependencies instead of plain dpkg --set-selections | |
| 18:13 | cait | hm it listed the one i removed for testing |
| 18:14 | tcohen | didn't it say it was the wrong verison? |
| 18:14 | cait | nope |
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| 18:14 | tcohen | i should have read your report :-D |
| 18:14 | cait | i copied the output... |
| 18:14 | sorry typing while eating dinner - slow :) | |
| 18:14 | tcohen | i started the fix for the docs when speaking to that H guy about his broken dependecies after dpkg |
| 18:19 | cait, i've read your report | |
| 18:19 | cait | ok |
| 18:19 | tcohen | i'll check what is wrong |
| 18:19 | cait | cool:) |
| 18:26 | tcohen | internet got too slow, leaving home then |
| 18:30 | rangi | Morning |
| 18:30 | wahanui | Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. |
| 18:31 | rangi | I'll look at bugzilla when I get to my desk |
| 18:32 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 18:32 | I hope you appreciated our efforts to give you enough reading material for the entire bus ride. :) | |
| 18:34 | rangi | Heh |
| 18:34 | jcamins | Wow. |
| 18:34 | It takes very little time to get used to decent relevance ranking. | |
| 18:35 | Did I really survive with authority search results this dreadful for three years? | |
| 18:36 | Why would I do something like that? | |
| 18:36 | Not to mention, how? | |
| 18:38 | rangi | Hehe |
| 18:39 | Oh hey does anybody have a framework with the rda fields in it? | |
| 18:40 | * jcamins | doesn't, sorry. |
| 18:40 | jcamins | I mostly just cry when asked about RDA. :P |
| 18:40 | druthb | jcamins: RDA? |
| 18:40 | wahanui | somebody said RDA was a room in a twisty maze of standards |
| 18:40 | jcamins | That's the one. |
| 18:40 | druthb | I didn't ask you, wahanui. |
| 18:40 | wahanui | druthb: what? |
| 18:40 | druthb | I asked jcamins. |
| 18:40 | * druthb | wants to see if he'll cry. |
| 18:41 | jcamins | lol |
| 18:41 | rangi | I figure I could do one pretty fast |
| 18:41 | It's mostly to prove a point | |
| 18:41 | jcamins | Yeah, it's very readily doable. |
| 18:42 | (he says through tears) | |
| 18:42 | rangi | I've heard natlib say it would be hard for koha to do it |
| 18:42 | So I want to be all look its done, your move | |
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| 18:43 | jcamins | They've misinterpreted "why would we want to waste our time on a standard that no one can afford to use?" as meaning the same thing it does when an average proprietary vendor says that. |
| 18:43 | (valid HTML? Why would we want to support that?) | |
| 18:44 | rangi | Hehe yeah |
| 18:44 | I'll do it today and post it on the wiki | |
| 18:44 | I'm annoying like that | |
| 18:47 | Manderson1 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]dhat_Enterprise_6 |
| 18:48 | rangi | Yay :) |
| 18:48 | Manderson1 | still have more work to do on it, but it's a start |
| 18:48 | jcamins | manderson++ |
| 18:48 | rangi | You should definitely email Daniel (the newsletter editor) about that |
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| 18:49 | rangi | He is always asking for news |
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| 18:53 | jcamins | Does $variable =~ s/something//; return true if it makes the replacement? |
| 18:53 | Yesss, I think so. | |
| 18:54 | rangi | Yep |
| 18:56 | @wunder nzwn | |
| 18:56 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 12, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:58 | druthb | @wunder 66046 |
| 18:58 | huginn | druthb: The current temperature in Near Lawrence High School, Lawrence, Kansas is 6.5°C (12:58 PM CST on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:59 | paul_p | jcamins are you about ? |
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| 18:59 | paul_p | @wunder athens, greece |
| 19:00 | huginn | paul_p: The current temperature in Kalamaki - AirMar, Alimos, Greece is 13.2°C (8:55 PM EET on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising). |
| 19:00 | jcamins | paul_p: yes I am. |
| 19:00 | paul_p | jcamins = could you remind me what's your rule about unit tests for 3.12 ? |
| 19:01 | jcamins | paul_p: unit tests are required for all new routines in C4:: and Koha::. |
| 19:01 | paul_p | I see a patch that adds a sub in C4/Circulation.pm and has no unit test => failed QA, right ? |
| 19:01 | jcamins | Unit tests are welcomed for changes to existing routines, but not required... yet. ;) |
| 19:01 | Yes. | |
| 19:01 | That is correct. | |
| 19:01 | rangi | Ok my stop bb after coffee |
| 19:18 | oleonard | Lots of fun new errors from the validator after switching the doctype |
| 19:20 | " A table row was 4 columns wide, which is less than the column count established by the first row (5)" Why didn't the XHTML validator give errors like that? | |
| 19:20 | jcamins | oleonard: it was being extensible? :P |
| 19:21 | oleonard | jcamins: Not without the right doctype |
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| 19:44 | rangi | back |
| 19:46 | cait | wb |
| 19:47 | rangi | jcamins: ok patch complexity is now optional and always visible |
| 19:47 | jcamins: what was the jenkins thing? | |
| 19:47 | jcamins | rangi: it's failing prior to starting the build, and I can't see why. |
| 19:48 | I was able to build and install on my server. | |
| 19:49 | rangi | ill look |
| 19:49 | jcamins | Thanks. |
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| 19:51 | tcohen | samsung's BIOS upgrade: acpi battery status working at last on ubuntu! |
| 19:51 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #974 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #971 3 days 4 hr ago) |
| 19:52 | paul_p | rangi (& jcamins maybe) = "ok patch complexity is now optional and always visible" => why did you change that ? |
| 19:52 | rangi | because jcamins asked me to |
| 19:52 | paul_p | ok, so jcamins why did you asked that ? ;-) |
| 19:53 | cait | because various people have reported problems with it |
| 19:53 | * paul_p | QAed 13 patches today, that will be enough for today ! (I'm tired, need some sleep, 10PM in greece) |
| 19:53 | jcamins | paul_p: because with patch complexity mandatory, asking questions and submitting patches becomes a burden. |
| 19:54 | It's easy for me to tell people "you must set patch complexity or we will assume it's a very complex patch and save it for when we have lots of time free." | |
| 19:55 | paul_p | with this field being non mandatory, i'm pretty sure it will be ignored & not set... & I think it's a damn usefull information ! |
| 19:55 | jcamins | But I can't use git-bz to handle my workflow with the field set to mandatory, and we have non-developers worrying that they're doing things wrong. |
| 19:55 | It is, but I would prefer to spend more time saying "please provide this information" and less time manually attaching patches. | |
| 19:55 | rangi | jcamins: the build got further this time, i think just permission errors int he jenkins dir, fixed now |
| 19:55 | jcamins | rangi: thanks. |
| 19:55 | paul_p | jcamins but non developpers don't submit patches, so they don't have to fill this field ! |
| 19:55 | jcamins | Yes they do. |
| 19:56 | paul_p | jcamins ??? |
| 19:56 | wahanui | jcamins is very, very irascible. |
| 19:56 | jcamins | They want to ask a question about a patch someone submitted? |
| 19:56 | "Oh, sorry, you can't save your comment unless you set patch complexity!" | |
| 19:56 | rangi | or even add themselves as cc |
| 19:56 | jcamins | Right. |
| 19:56 | Also, apparently it requires javascript in order to show up at all. | |
| 19:57 | paul_p | jcamins ah, ok, it's a problem for patches submitted before I set this information. In this case, maybe the best option is to bulkmodify all those bugs with patches with a default complexity value ? |
| 19:57 | jcamins right, it requires javascript | |
| 19:57 | tcohen | we will all fill that field |
| 19:57 | jcamins | tcohen: at least you will after I start rejecting things 'cause it's not filled in. ;) |
| 19:57 | tcohen | the second time a dev tells us we forgot... we wont again |
| 19:58 | jcamins | I don't believe in technical solutions for political problems or vice versa. |
| 19:58 | paul_p | ok, let's do it like this, we will see how things goes. |
| 19:58 | jcamins | Yes we will. |
| 19:58 | tcohen | i see politics everywhere |
| 19:59 | jcamins | tcohen: well, yes, but there are some political issues that can best be solved by the RM (me) saying "this is the rule. Follow it, or I won't push your patches." |
| 19:59 | paul_p | OK, have a good day kiwis & aussies, have a good afternoon americans, have a good night europeans ! |
| 19:59 | tcohen | heh |
| 19:59 | bye paul_p | |
| 19:59 | paul_p | jcamins is switching from RM to BD -Benevolent Dictator- ;-) |
| 20:00 | jcamins | paul_p: there's a difference? |
| 20:00 | :P | |
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| 20:00 | oleonard | Under what circumstances does the OPAC show "SEARCH_RESULT.AuthorisedValueImages" |
| 20:01 | What kind of authorized value might display an image in OPAC search results? | |
| 20:01 | jcamins | oleonard: when you have bib-level item types, I thin. |
| 20:01 | *think | |
| 20:02 | oleonard | I don't think so, because it's another column that is wrapped in [% UNLESS ( item_level_itypes ) %] |
| 20:03 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 20:03 | Then... I don't know. | |
| 20:04 | rangi | jcamins: http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd336.html the R there means required? |
| 20:04 | NR not required? | |
| 20:04 | jcamins | Repeatable. |
| 20:05 | And non-repeatable. | |
| 20:05 | rangi | ah ha thanks |
| 20:16 | yay, another library card | |
| 20:16 | from alaska this time | |
| 20:16 | cait | cool! |
| 20:18 | mustard | cool beans |
| 20:20 | tcohen | bug 9267, after IRC helpdesk work for that H guy :-P |
| 20:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9267 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Ubuntu 12.04 install docs broken |
| 20:24 | tcohen | cait, about bug 8840, the problem is the ubuntu.12.04.packages is not properly maintained (i guess) |
| 20:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8840 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , ubuntu-pkg-check.sh fix and extend functionality |
| 20:35 | tcohen | bye #koha |
| 21:00 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 21:00 | Project Koha_master build #974: FIXED in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/974/ | |
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| 21:12 | drojf joined #koha | |
| 21:12 | * drojf | slaps his network |
| 21:16 | cait | poor network |
| 21:16 | * cait | takes it away from drojf |
| 21:17 | drojf | cait: are you trying to pull my wifi cableß |
| 21:17 | ? | |
| 21:17 | cait | with the force... |
| 21:18 | * cait | has played angry birds star wars |
| 21:18 | drojf | lol |
| 21:19 | wizzyrea | jcamins: it was not fixed on that page |
| 21:19 | (because I just fixed it in master ;) | |
| 21:19 | I checked those bugs | |
| 21:19 | drojf | i had angry birds hd on my tablet. at one point i lost the saved game and finally could stop to play it |
| 21:19 | jcamins | wizzyrea: are you on Chrome? |
| 21:20 | wizzyrea | no |
| 21:20 | really, i swear, it's a different place | |
| 21:20 | jcamins | Darn... wanna fix it for Chrome too, please? :P |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | you were thinking of http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8557 |
| 21:21 | huginn | 04Bug 8557: normal, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Stable , in orderreceive.tt and serials-edit.tt the use of a barcode scan send the form unexpectedly |
| 21:21 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 21:21 | Which still doesn't work under Chrome. | |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | hmm that would take some thinking |
| 21:21 | jcamins | Oh, no, I know why it does that. |
| 21:21 | Chrome propagates events. | |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | I will if I can figure it out. |
| 21:21 | jcamins | It's submitting a higher level form. |
| 21:22 | It's one of those things that I thought about and decided I didn't really care, and I'd let someone else fix. :P | |
| 21:23 | drojf | lol |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 21:24 | rangi | so i posted about RDA on 12/12/12 |
| 21:24 | IVE DOOMED US ALL!!!! | |
| 21:25 | cait | so it is |
| 21:25 | wizzyrea | OMG |
| 21:25 | jcamins | lol |
| 21:25 | wizzyrea | yea, idk why people aren't excited about TODAY and not the 21st |
| 21:26 | i mean 12 12 12 is much scarier than 211212 | |
| 21:26 | if we're going to be arbitrary about it. | |
| 21:26 | eythian | it'll be the last repeating date until 2101 |
| 21:26 | cait | wizzyrea: I will worry about that tomorrow :) |
| 21:27 | trea | hehe |
| 21:27 | cait | that was fast |
| 21:29 | rangi | apparently people thought it was all hard and complicated and stuff :) |
| 21:30 | drojf | goodness, what's with the license fees for the toolkit? is it made of gold? |
| 21:31 | cait | I have seen it - no gold |
| 21:31 | rangi | it's a rort |
| 21:31 | a way to suck money from the public sector | |
| 21:32 | drojf | We are certain you will find that it is the most effective way to interact with the new standard. |
| 21:32 | rangi | "why do you charge that much?" "because we can" |
| 21:32 | drojf | lol. a standard you gotta love |
| 21:36 | cait | and another... |
| 21:36 | doom. | |
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| 21:36 | rangi | it's all RDA all the time |
| 21:36 | wizzyrea | seriously that makes kids cry. |
| 21:36 | tiny library children are weeping | |
| 21:37 | just sayin. | |
| 21:37 | rangi | theres a field for that |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | "don't pay for this ridiculous toolkit... buy us boooooooks" |
| 21:37 | drojf | Radioactive dentin abrasion (RDA) is a method of measuring of the erosive effect of abrasives in toothpaste on tooth dentin. |
| 21:38 | that explains everything | |
| 21:38 | cait | lol |
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| 21:38 | cait | wizzyrea: I agree :( |
| 21:38 | but germany is into rda too :( | |
| 21:40 | drojf | i'm not |
| 21:40 | rangi | there's a field for not being into RDA too |
| 21:41 | drojf | heh |
| 21:41 | rangi | 339 - DOES THIS SUCK $a YES |
| 21:41 | cait | lol |
| 21:41 | drojf | if i only had some crazily expensive toolkit to tell me how to use it |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | ah comedy |
| 21:41 | there's a field for that. | |
| 21:41 | rangi | drojf: i can sell you one |
| 21:41 | cait | really, who does think this is a good idea for a standard libraries are supposed to use? |
| 21:42 | I mean, ok, the big ones will, but all the small ones will not care and stick with the old standard | |
| 21:42 | and then nothing will be won | |
| 21:42 | maybe I am missing the point | |
| 21:42 | drojf | money will be made |
| 21:42 | also, money will be lost somewhere where it could have been used for better stuff | |
| 21:43 | but anyway, $$$ | |
| 21:43 | jcamins | drojf: isn't that the point? |
| 21:43 | drojf | yes |
| 21:43 | it is | |
| 21:43 | imagine all those subversive books that libraries don't buy now | |
| 21:44 | who needs wages when you have the joy of library work? | |
| 21:46 | jcamins | Oh, I have a question for eythian. |
| 21:47 | eythian: if I am the maintainer of a CPAN module that I am distributing as a .deb (in addition to as source), would the correct way to handle it be to have a separate apt repo, or would you want me to provide you with a copy of the .debs? | |
| 21:47 | (assuming this CPAN module was a dependency shared by Koha and Evergreen) | |
| 21:48 | drojf | i would want you to provide debian with a copy :P |
| 21:48 | jcamins | (which it is) |
| 21:48 | drojf: can I do that? | |
| 21:48 | I'm not a Debian developer. | |
| 21:48 | drojf | i think getting your stuff in debian is a slow and complicated process. probably eythian knows more about it |
| 21:48 | rangi | you can |
| 21:48 | the debian perl team are cool | |
| 21:49 | you don't need to be a DD | |
| 21:49 | http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianPerlGroup | |
| 21:49 | http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/D[…]w_to_get_involved | |
| 21:49 | * eythian | is on the phone |
| 21:50 | drojf | #debian-perl |
| 21:50 | right around the corner | |
| 21:52 | jcamins | Ooh, I could help get libchi-perl into Debian. |
| 21:52 | rangi | that would be handy! |
| 21:53 | jcamins | Their page says it requires some adoption. |
| 21:53 | Because, you know, I have so much free time... | |
| 21:57 | Argh! So close to having patches to submit for bug 9239! | |
| 21:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries |
| 21:58 | jcamins | Like, I'm just a couple of commit messages and a small revision away. |
| 21:58 | But I have to leave now. | |
| 21:58 | drojf | rangi: making the librarians take over support on the mailing list did not really work, did it? |
| 21:58 | eythian | yeah, getting perl modules in to debian is reasonably straightforward. |
| 21:58 | rangi | not as yet drojf |
| 21:59 | maybe they answered off list? | |
| 21:59 | drojf | ah yeah i forgot about that option |
| 21:59 | i believe they did :) | |
| 21:59 | jcamins | http://git.cpbibliography.com/[…]ch_rewrite_submit |
| 22:00 | wizzyrea | seems almost certain - the guy really had no idea about what he was actually doing! |
| 22:00 | cait | jcamins: looks like the project is progressing nicely :) |
| 22:00 | * wizzyrea | is so proud of jcamins :) |
| 22:00 | jcamins | I have to revise the second-to-last patch and squash it into the previous patch, and give the combined patch a useful commit message. |
| 22:00 | rangi | nice! |
| 22:00 | * cait | sends jcamins cherry cake |
| 22:00 | jcamins | And find my shoes... |
| 22:01 | wizzyrea | haha I just opened up my book of fortunes |
| 22:01 | (beacuse I was going to give jcamins one) | |
| 22:01 | and the one I first saw was | |
| 22:01 | eythian | @fortune |
| 22:01 | huginn | eythian: Error: I couldn't find the fortune command on this system. If it is installed on this system, reconfigure the supybot.plugins.Unix.fortune.command configuration variable appropriately. |
| 22:01 | eythian | oh well |
| 22:01 | wizzyrea | "your attention to detail is both a blessing and potentially kind of creepy" |
| 22:01 | drojf | lol |
| 22:02 | jcamins | lol |
| 22:02 | So true. | |
| 22:02 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 22:02 | rangi | excuse? |
| 22:02 | wahanui | rangi: short leg on process table |
| 22:05 | wizzyrea | the fortune book is a good one - I should tear them all out and put them in a fishbowl |
| 22:05 | or transcribe them all and have gmcharlt load them into the supybot | |
| 22:05 | or both! | |
| 22:06 | * gmcharlt | perks up |
| 22:06 | wizzyrea | our bot doesn't have fortune :) |
| 22:06 | but it's kind of not a necessity :P | |
| 22:07 | eythian | it's presumably just a call to the unix 'fortune' command anyway |
| 22:08 | gmcharlt | @fortune |
| 22:08 | huginn | gmcharlt: Error: I couldn't find the fortune command on this system. If it is installed on this system, reconfigure the supybot.plugins.Unix.fortune.command configuration variable appropriately. |
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| 22:10 | gmcharlt | @fortune |
| 22:10 | huginn | gmcharlt: Q:What do they call the alphabet in Arkansas? A:The impossible dream. |
| 22:10 | druthb | @fortune |
| 22:10 | huginn | druthb: Executive ability is prominent in your make-up. |
| 22:10 | druthb | puh. |
| 22:10 | wizzyrea | YESSS |
| 22:10 | eythian | @fortune |
| 22:10 | wizzyrea | thanks gmcharlt :) |
| 22:10 | huginn | eythian: Stay the curse. |
| 22:10 | wizzyrea | hehehe |
| 22:10 | @fortune | |
| 22:10 | huginn | wizzyrea: No violence, gentlemen -- no violence, I beg of you! Consider the furniture! -- Sherlock Holmes |
| 22:11 | eythian | $ fortune |
| 22:11 | Sendmail may be safely run set-user-id to root. | |
| 22:11 | -- Eric Allman, "Sendmail Installation Guide" | |
| 22:11 | hmm, not so sure there | |
| 22:11 | wizzyrea | scurry |
| 22:11 | trea | @fortune |
| 22:11 | huginn | trea: Q:What do you say to a New Yorker with a job? A:Big Mac, fries and a Coke, please! |
| 22:12 | druthb | heh |
| 22:12 | @fortune | |
| 22:12 | huginn | druthb: Q:Why does Washington have the most lawyers per capita and New Jersey the most toxic waste dumps? A:God gave New Jersey first choice. |
| 22:12 | druthb | lol |
| 22:13 | eythian | @fortune -o |
| 22:13 | huginn | eythian: Don't let your mind wander -- it's too little to be let out alone. |
| 22:13 | wizzyrea | what's -o? |
| 22:13 | eythian | try it on the command line |
| 22:13 | I don't think the plugin understands it | |
| 22:14 | * wizzyrea | needs to load fortunes |
| 22:15 | eythian | @fortune |
| 22:15 | huginn | eythian: Living your life is a task so difficult, it has never been attempted before. |
| 22:16 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 22:16 | druthb | @fortune |
| 22:16 | huginn | druthb: You definitely intend to start living sometime soon. |
| 22:16 | wizzyrea | that's a good one |
| 22:16 | @fortune | |
| 22:16 | huginn | wizzyrea: Q:How many Martians does it take to screw in a light bulb? A:One and a half. |
| 22:16 | wizzyrea | hrmph. |
| 22:16 | that's a joke not a fortune. | |
| 22:16 | druthb | :P |
| 22:16 | wizzyrea | @fortune |
| 22:16 | druthb | @fortune |
| 22:16 | huginn | wizzyrea: Q:Why do firemen wear red suspenders? A:To conform with departmental regulations concerning uniform dress. |
| 22:16 | druthb: You will be a winner today. Pick a fight with a four-year-old. | |
| 22:16 | * wizzyrea | hides her four year old |
| 22:16 | drojf | @fortune |
| 22:16 | huginn | drojf: You will be given a post of trust and responsibility. |
| 22:16 | wizzyrea | ooo! |
| 22:16 | druthb | I'd lose to your four-year-old, wizzy. |
| 22:17 | He'd kick my butt. | |
| 22:17 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: alternatively, you could find 99 more four-year-olds, then seen how druthb does ;) |
| 22:17 | wizzyrea | he's getting pretty feisty |
| 22:20 | gmcharlt | @config plugins.Unix.fortune.offensive |
| 22:20 | huginn | gmcharlt: False |
| 22:20 | drojf | i guess that explains -o |
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| 22:35 | * rangi | giggles |
| 22:35 | rangi | https://twitter.com/ranginui/s[…]78629043845345280 |
| 22:36 | wizzyrea | *snicker* |
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| 22:54 | drojf | argh missed cait |
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