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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:03 | jcamins_away | How did you alphabetize ß? |
| 00:04 | drojf | after s |
| 00:04 | jcamins_away | It's kind of a problem since ß should come before st in my alphabetical world. |
| 00:06 | drojf | :D |
| 00:07 | wouldn't it come before st when it comes after s? | |
| 00:08 | jcamins | drojf: only if the words were spelled "strasße" and "straste." |
| 00:08 | drojf | ah now i understand what you mean |
| 00:09 | jcamins | Otherwise, "straste" would come before "straße." |
| 00:09 | drojf | ys |
| 00:09 | yes | |
| 00:10 | jcamins | The German language needs more words with the spelling "-sß-" |
| 00:10 | drojf | the correct way would be to magically dissolve it to 'ss' for sorting |
| 00:11 | jcamins | And searching. |
| 00:11 | wahanui | searching is not working |
| 00:12 | drojf | there is a line 'equivalent ß(ss)' now but i have to admit that i am not sure what zebra does with it |
| 00:12 | maybe it should be (ss)ß | |
| 00:12 | jcamins | No, I think the line is right. |
| 00:14 | The problem is that I don't think that applies to sorting, just searching. | |
| 00:15 | drojf | This directive introduces the upper-case equivalences to the value set (if any). The number and order of the entries in the list should be the same as in the lowercase directive. |
| 00:15 | ok i killed that because ß does not really exist in uppercase | |
| 00:15 | will add it anyway | |
| 00:16 | equivalent value-set This directive introduces equivalence classes of characters and/or strings for sorting purposes only. It resembles the map directive, but does not affect search and retrieval indexing, but only sorting order under present requests. | |
| 00:16 | seems to be for sorting | |
| 00:18 | jcamins | Oh, guess I had it backwards. |
| 00:18 | Excellent! | |
| 00:26 | I had no idea there was an uppercase ß! | |
| 00:28 | drojf | there isn't really. i think it came up quite recently. it doesn't exist apart from all-caps. you cannot have a word start with ẞ |
| 00:28 | eythian | jcamins: it's what Germans use when yelling to each other. By which I mean, talking normally, like cait's outside neighbour at BSZ. |
| 00:28 | jcamins | lol |
| 00:28 | drojf | lol |
| 00:29 | "The hat ^ character denotes beginning-of-field" | |
| 00:29 | hat character? | |
| 00:29 | is that a common expression? | |
| 00:29 | eythian | it's not uncommon |
| 00:29 | * drojf | giggles |
| 00:29 | * jcamins | has never heard it before. |
| 00:29 | eythian | you will also see "carrot" sometimes. |
| 00:30 | drojf | lol |
| 00:30 | cait | caret |
| 00:30 | according to my perl books | |
| 00:30 | jcamins | Caret. |
| 00:30 | That's what I've always heard. | |
| 00:31 | eythian | yeah, that's the properist name. |
| 00:31 | drojf | i like carrot |
| 00:31 | cait | of course you do :) |
| 00:31 | who doesn't like carrots?:) | |
| 00:32 | drojf | lotẞ of carrotẞ |
| 00:32 | eythian | ^^ |
| 00:32 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | |
| 00:32 | drojf | :D |
| 00:32 | cait | lol |
| 00:37 | jcamins | Okay... how do I tie a bowtie? |
| 00:37 | Clearly not the way the package says. | |
| 00:37 | * jcamins | consults Google. |
| 00:37 | eythian | you put the elastic band around your neck, and it just stays there. |
| 00:38 | drojf | i bet there are video tutorials on youtube |
| 00:38 | cait | jcamins: how did you get from reading to bowties? |
| 00:38 | drojf | maybe even a google group :P |
| 00:38 | cait | ok, things are getting weird here... I am leaving :) |
| 00:38 | night all | |
| 00:39 | jcamins | lol |
| 00:39 | Good night. | |
| 00:39 | eythian | I spent 3 years at high school tying a regular tie every day. Last time I had to do it, a couple of years ago, I had to look it up. |
| 00:39 | later cait | |
| 00:39 | drojf | good night cait |
| 00:39 | cait left #koha | |
| 00:39 | jcamins | Right... maybe I'll tie the bowtie around something else to start with. |
| 00:39 | drojf | How To Tie a Bow Tie • 1.727.313 views |
| 00:40 | you are not alone :D | |
| 00:40 | eythian | seems like a common issue |
| 00:41 | wahanui: birds | |
| 00:41 | wahanui | eythian: huh? |
| 00:41 | eythian | wahanui: birds are gross: http://www.birdandmoon.com/birdsaregross.html |
| 00:41 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 00:41 | jcamins | drojf: indeed I am not. |
| 00:44 | drojf | jcamins: you could tie it around myshkin for a test |
| 00:45 | jcamins | lol |
| 00:48 | druthb | myshkin_in_a_tie++ |
| 00:50 | jcamins | Grr. |
| 00:58 | rangi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?f[…]ded&v=PN-MjUC4f9k |
| 00:58 | * jcamins | proceeds to garotte a spindle full of CD-Rs. |
| 00:59 | wizzyrea | lol. lol. adorable. |
| 01:00 | jcamins | :) |
| 01:00 | eythian | I guess you've got to use them for something |
| 01:02 | jcamins | Well, it may have asphixiated, but at least I managed to tie the bowtie. |
| 01:02 | Once. | |
| 01:06 | Success! | |
| 01:07 | * jcamins | refuses to take off his bowtie. |
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| 01:40 | libsysguy | hey the next IRC meeting is on my birthday |
| 01:40 | eythian | * jcamins is now known as jcamins_bowtie |
| 01:40 | libsysguy | ^^ 0_0 |
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| 02:51 | eythian | excuse |
| 02:51 | wahanui | eythian: static buildup |
| 03:38 | libsysguy | wahanui will make up excuses for you!! |
| 03:38 | wahanui | libsysguy: i'm not following you... |
| 03:38 | libsysguy | excuse |
| 03:38 | wahanui | libsysguy: Groundskeepers stole the root password |
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| 03:49 | wizzyrea | excuse |
| 03:49 | wahanui | wizzyrea: My pony-tail hit the on/off switch on the power strip. |
| 03:50 | wizzyrea | oh that happens to me ALL THE TIME |
| 03:54 | eythian | you should chop off your pony tail in that case |
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| 05:09 | libsysguy | so I have to say, using DBIx::Class is making life for db ops easy peasy |
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| 06:14 | BobB_ | bonjour paul_p |
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| 07:07 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:07 | * cait | waves back |
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| 07:12 | magnuse | kia ora cait and eythian and paul_p |
| 07:12 | woohoo for the changes that were made to the wiki! | |
| 07:12 | cait | it's a lot better, isn't it? |
| 07:13 | magnuse | cait: it is! |
| 07:15 | paul_p | hi magnus & cait & BobB_ & others. leaving IRC to take Athens subway now. See you later |
| 07:15 | cait this afternoon, I plan to do some QA. | |
| 07:16 | cait | paul_p: good |
| 07:16 | have fun in Athens | |
| 07:18 | magnuse | eythian or eythian_ around? |
| 07:19 | eythian_ | yep |
| 07:19 | magnuse | yay |
| 07:20 | i have a problem with the packages | |
| 07:20 | set up a new server to test 3.10 with real data | |
| 07:20 | upload the sql backup from the live server and load it, upgrade schema and rebuild zebra -f | |
| 07:21 | but when i try to search i get this: Can't call method "raw" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 461. | |
| 07:21 | e.g.: http://esme.testing.bibkat.no/[…]earch.pl?q=lessig | |
| 07:21 | ever seen something like that? | |
| 07:21 | the rebuild zebra runs without any trouble | |
| 07:22 | eythian_ | I can't say I have seen that. |
| 07:22 | magnuse | gah :-) |
| 07:22 | eythian_ | I haven't done a whole lot with the 3.10 packages though |
| 07:23 | magnuse | it's also weird that the title of the search results page says "you did not specify any search criteria" |
| 07:23 | eythian_ | hmm yes |
| 07:23 | that's suspicious | |
| 07:24 | cait | hm |
| 07:25 | me neither :( | |
| 07:25 | seen it ... autoscroll broken once again | |
| 07:25 | wahanui | I haven't seen 'it', cait |
| 07:26 | eythian_ | wahanui agrees. |
| 07:26 | wahanui | eythian_: i'm not following you... |
| 07:26 | magnuse | i did koha-create before i loaded the sql dump |
| 07:27 | eythian_ | that's fine, that's what I usually do. |
| 07:27 | magnuse | earlier, i tried to do koha-create and then add some records, and that seemed to work fine |
| 07:28 | eythian_ | the only thing I can think of off the top of my head is the upgrade process not working correctly, but if that were the case it'd affect everyone. |
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| 07:31 | magnuse | the output from upgrade schema: http://paste.koha-community.org/304 |
| 07:31 | there is something weird there: | |
| 07:31 | DBD::mysql::db do failed: Can't create table 'koha_esme.#sql-792_2260' (errno: 121) at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 5443. | |
| 07:32 | pastebot | "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "lines around 5443" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/305 |
| 07:34 | magnuse | that's related to the borrower_files table, shouldn't think that would affect searching... |
| 07:34 | * rangi | tries to clear up sanders confusion, hopefully not creating more |
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| 07:42 | magnuse | yup this works fine: koha-create + manually doing the web-installer + staging/importing a batch of files + rebuild zebra |
| 07:42 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 07:43 | magnuse | kia ora marcelr |
| 07:43 | marcelr | hi magnuse |
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| 07:44 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 07:45 | magnuse | bonjour france |
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| 07:46 | julian_m | hello magnuse, hello all |
| 07:47 | marcelr | hello julian_m alex_a |
| 07:47 | alex_a | hello marcelr |
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| 07:50 | asaurat | hi |
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| 07:55 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:56 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:56 | rangi | as i suspected |
| 07:57 | sander doesn't understand holds | |
| 07:59 | magnuse | yup |
| 08:00 | * rangi | tries again |
| 08:00 | rangi | i think he/she thinks a hold is a check out |
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| 08:20 | magnuse | rangi: sounds like it |
| 08:21 | * kf | waves |
| 08:30 | magnuse | hiya kf |
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| 09:37 | rangi | *sigh* |
| 09:38 | * rangi | gives up |
| 09:44 | kf | oh no |
| 09:44 | * kf | sends rangi cookies |
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| 09:50 | drojf | i was wondering if language barrier or troll, but i vote troll now :P |
| 09:50 | hi #koha | |
| 09:52 | kf | hi drojf |
| 09:54 | drojf | hi kf |
| 09:55 | with tech people doing free tech support for koha, maybe librarians could have a community initiative to teach basic ILS things ;) some people seem confused that we do not walk them through the complete system but i am not starting to do that in my spare time | |
| 09:55 | @wunder berlin, germany | |
| 09:56 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 1.8°C (10:43 AM CET on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:56 | kf | yeah |
| 09:56 | rangi | drojf: that is a good idea |
| 09:57 | kf | can I go for tech support please? |
| 09:57 | rangi | it would be nice to see librarians answering the library policy/usage type questions |
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| 09:58 | rangi | some do of course, but they vastly outnumber us on the mailing list .. but not in answering mails :) |
| 09:58 | drojf | that's right. maybe we are too fast |
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| 09:59 | rangi | could be |
| 09:59 | maybe scared of being wrong too? | |
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| 10:00 | vfernandes | hi :) |
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| 10:00 | drojf | if you have a long thread with koha dinosaurs like yourself answering they might be, yes |
| 10:00 | ;) | |
| 10:01 | there must be so many librarians on that list. maybe they are less shy if we don't answer these questions. or answer with "any librarian here to explain" or something | |
| 10:01 | hi vfernandes | |
| 10:01 | rangi | good idea lemme try |
| 10:03 | lets see if that works | |
| 10:04 | drojf | :) |
| 10:09 | we should introduce the position of 'noob wranglers' for these questions :D | |
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| 10:16 | gerundio | hi, good morning |
| 10:17 | I've filled the value for the "BorrowerUnwantedField" field in the System preferences | |
| 10:17 | and the collumns values I've inserted there don't show up in the intranet patron entry screen | |
| 10:17 | but keep showing up in the OPAC personal details screen | |
| 10:18 | how can I hide them there too? | |
| 10:18 | kf | gerundio: only using jquery |
| 10:18 | gerundio: the syspref doesn't extent to the opac yet | |
| 10:18 | extend | |
| 10:18 | gerundio | ok kf, thanks a lot for the quick reply :) |
| 10:21 | magnuse | kf++ |
| 10:21 | gerundio | btw, any reason for that to limit the fields shown in the intranet but not on OPAC? |
| 10:22 | kf | I think we might want to have 2 different prefs long term |
| 10:22 | because you might want some informatoin to show up internally only (even if that is probably not a good idea) | |
| 10:28 | gerundio | I read internally only as in intranet only, correct? |
| 10:29 | what we have now is the exact opposite | |
| 10:29 | internaly only make much more sense to me | |
| 10:29 | kf | sorry, gerundio, not sure I understand |
| 10:30 | gerundio | you said "because you might want some informatoin to show up internally only" |
| 10:30 | kf | ah yes, show more in intranet than opac |
| 10:31 | gerundio | exactly |
| 10:31 | kf | but it might be wrong, because patrons should be able to see what you store about them |
| 10:31 | but the view on this might differ | |
| 10:31 | gerundio | and what we have now in the exact opposite, right? |
| 10:31 | kf | I think it's started more as a way to shorten the entry form |
| 10:31 | and it was done for that, but should probably be extended | |
| 10:31 | you coudl file a feature request | |
| 10:32 | gerundio | btw, you said the only way to accomplish that is by using JS |
| 10:33 | a colleague of mine did it on a devel setup by changing the template files | |
| 10:33 | is that a good way to go? | |
| 10:36 | kf | no |
| 10:36 | it will explode each and every time you update | |
| 10:36 | Ithink if it#s just the user shouldn't see what you don't store about them anyway, js hsould be fine | |
| 10:36 | they will see empty fields if js is deactivated | |
| 10:37 | if you really wanted to hide something effectively changing the frameworks might be the only way to do it - but it's not recommendable because of the update pain | |
| 10:37 | gerundio | kf, thanks for saying what I wanted to ear :D |
| 10:38 | kf | and changing frameworks is changing templats... it's monday :) |
| 10:38 | gerundio | my colleague wanted to insert an id from another platform into the streetnumber field on koha |
| 10:38 | so we could do his integration | |
| 10:38 | kf | hm |
| 10:38 | gerundio | I always said it was a bad idea |
| 10:38 | kf | that's nto a good way to do it |
| 10:38 | do you need it for patron import? | |
| 10:38 | gerundio | he should use the LDAP username |
| 10:39 | kf | gerundio: have you looked into extended patron attributes? |
| 10:39 | I think there is a patch around to make them work with ldap, so that might be a problem right now, but is the better way to do it I think | |
| 10:39 | you can define a patron attribute to be unique | |
| 10:39 | and visible or not in opac | |
| 10:39 | and you can match on unique patron attributes during patron import | |
| 10:51 | gerundio | kf, sorry for the hold up |
| 10:51 | my colleague was here and I was telling him what you told me | |
| 10:52 | I'm already using extended patron attributes | |
| 10:52 | but there's a bug already reported about LDAP mapping | |
| 10:53 | don't know if the patch works, I have a task to test it in my TODO list :) | |
| 10:53 | that would be a better solution no doubt about it | |
| 10:54 | if I didn't think he'd be fine just with the LDAP username :) | |
| 10:54 | kf | :) |
| 10:54 | you will work it out :) | |
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| 11:39 | vfernandes | slips on 3.8.X and 3.10.X are configurable right? |
| 11:39 | kf | yes |
| 11:40 | vfernandes | quickslips only show the patron today checkouts? |
| 11:40 | kf | i am not sure, maybe test it, but I think yes |
| 11:41 | vfernandes | what you think about having renewal and checkin quick slips? |
| 11:41 | kf | I think I woudl like checkin slips |
| 11:41 | because there is no way currently to do that and it's something common here | |
| 11:41 | for renewal I could always print a complete account slip, but it might still be useful there too | |
| 11:42 | vfernandes | In one of my installations I've done a modification in order to haver quickslips for renewal and returns |
| 11:43 | the problem with returns is the fines | |
| 11:43 | I never managed to do that in the right way | |
| 11:44 | kf | why the fines? |
| 11:44 | and there are slips (hardcoded but stil) I think for payments | |
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| 11:45 | vfernandes | because normally the return slips envolves the payment of the fine if the book is overdue |
| 11:45 | is a 2 in one slip: return and payment slip | |
| 11:45 | kf | hm |
| 11:45 | not necessarily | |
| 11:46 | lots of people don't pay the fines when giving back and you always have to change into the patron account | |
| 11:46 | vfernandes | yes not necessarily |
| 11:46 | kf | I think I woudl not mind having 2 separate slips |
| 11:46 | we could also have a "today's actions" slip | |
| 11:47 | issues, returns and fines - from patron account | |
| 11:48 | vfernandes | issues, renewal, returns (with or without fines on the configuration) and fines |
| 11:50 | kf | not sure how to do that in a user friendly way |
| 11:52 | vfernandes | now there is 3 options in print button: Print summary, Print slip, Print quick slip |
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| 12:00 | vfernandes | sorry kf... the system power went down |
| 12:00 | kf | np |
| 12:00 | vfernandes | I was saying that in the print option there is 3 option: print summary, print slip, print quick slip |
| 12:02 | the idea was to set 5 options: summary, slip, checkout quick slip, return quick slip and renewal quick slip (I think we can take "Print .." from the link) | |
| 12:02 | kf | I always like the idea of more optiosn, but it can get overwhelmling eaisly |
| 12:04 | drojf++ | |
| 12:05 | vfernandes | do you think that I should add this options? and about changing the "strings" removing "print" from the links? |
| 12:05 | kf | I think removing print should be ok, if the button stays labelled... but not sure about accessibility hm |
| 12:05 | maybe ask some more people? | |
| 12:06 | drojf | kf: huh? |
| 12:08 | vfernandes | "Print" can be maintain there is not a real problem... but I think the omission can be done because the button is already as "Print" |
| 12:08 | kf | drojf: bug wrangling :) |
| 12:08 | vfernandes: I wondered if it would be confusing for people not seeing the button :) | |
| 12:11 | vfernandes | "Print summary, Print slip, Checkout quick slip, Checkin quick slip, Renewal quick slip" |
| 12:11 | Print checkout quick slip... maybe is too long :/ | |
| 12:12 | kf | yeah |
| 12:13 | vfernandes | "Checkout quick slip" is a good option? |
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| 12:15 | vfernandes | I think so... I will create a bug for the implementation of renewal and checkin quick slips |
| 12:16 | which should be the correct component of the bug? Circulation or patron? | |
| 12:16 | drojf | so what do i do if there is no complexity field that i have to set? |
| 12:16 | (in bugzilla) | |
| 12:17 | kf | hm it shoudl show up when you switch to needs sign-off |
| 12:17 | vfernandes: maybe notices if there is one | |
| 12:17 | or circ | |
| 12:17 | drojf | no it doesn't because i cannot switch because i canno set complexity |
| 12:17 | kf | new bug? |
| 12:18 | drojf | yes |
| 12:18 | bug 9248 | |
| 12:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9248 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add a German Zebra language definition file |
| 12:20 | kf | and what are you trying to do? |
| 12:20 | when i switch to need ssignoff, the patch complexity shows up for me | |
| 12:21 | drojf | where? |
| 12:21 | kf | right column on top |
| 12:21 | vfernandes | near sponsored |
| 12:21 | kf | last one |
| 12:21 | wahanui | last one is the first one if you look backwards. |
| 12:21 | drojf | that is where i expected it but it doesn't |
| 12:21 | kf | hm |
| 12:21 | javasript problem? | |
| 12:22 | drojf | i could change to assigned. but i cannot change to needs sign off |
| 12:22 | kf | you are logged int oo right? |
| 12:22 | hm | |
| 12:22 | maybe close browser and try again? | |
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| 12:26 | drojf | it worked now after restart and ctrl+f5 |
| 12:34 | druthb | @wunder 66046 |
| 12:34 | huginn | druthb: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is -7.4°C (6:34 AM CST on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising). |
| 12:34 | druthb | now, who thought *that* up? |
| 12:35 | * druthb | blames kf. |
| 12:40 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 12:40 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0°C (1:20 PM CET on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:43 | tcohen | @wunder Cordoba, Argentina |
| 12:43 | huginn | tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 28.0°C (9:00 AM ART on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:44 | magnuse | somwhere in between, perhaps? |
| 12:45 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 12:48 | marcelr | afternoon tcohen |
| 12:48 | magnuse | hiya tcohen |
| 12:49 | druthb | Wait. It's colder in Lawrence, Kansas than it is in the *ARCTIC*? kf, you're off the hook. I'm blaming magnuse for this one. |
| 12:49 | magnuse | oh noes! |
| 12:50 | * druthb | shivers, and gives magnuse the ebil eye. |
| 12:50 | * magnuse | sends druthb a stack of firewood |
| 12:50 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 12:50 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.4°C (1:50 PM CET on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:50 | kf | magnuse: youare really encouraging her to make a fire? |
| 12:52 | * druthb | makes a little pyramid of logs, with a loose pile of little bits in the middle, and a wadded-up ball of newspaper. One match, no accelerant. She'd have made a heckuva Girl Scout. |
| 12:52 | magnuse | sounds good to me |
| 12:53 | kf | druthb: as long as you are not doing this on your hardwood floors inside the house ... |
| 12:54 | druthb | Now, that would be silly, kf. |
| 12:54 | kf | hm right |
| 12:55 | drojf | anyone ever looked at http://weblate.org/en/ for translation? |
| 13:00 | druthb | drojf: I just played with the demo a minute, and I kind of like it! :) |
| 13:01 | kf | i guess the big question for every tool is if it can handle our big files |
| 13:02 | druthb | I can find that out. My other curiosity will be how well it handles RTL languages. Pootle *does*, but it's kind of ugly-looking and can be confusing to translators. |
| 13:02 | * kf | nods |
| 13:03 | kf | druthb: has the pootle server moved to his new home yet or is that in the works? |
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| 13:03 | Brooke | o/ |
| 13:03 | druthb | drojf, kf, magnuse: Once I get our pootle woes cleared up, I could spin up a test of this for a few folks to try out. |
| 13:03 | kf: still working on that. | |
| 13:03 | Hey, Brooke! | |
| 13:03 | drojf | druthb: that would be cool |
| 13:03 | hi Brooke | |
| 13:03 | Brooke | howdy |
| 13:04 | kf | druthb: did you see the request for new greek files on the mailing list? |
| 13:04 | druthb | Since I'm not a translator, I'm unqualified to have an opinion on the "best tool." But I wanna put this in *your* hands, and you tell me what you wanna use, and I'll see to it. |
| 13:04 | kf | ah, you probably did |
| 13:04 | druthb | I did, kf. |
| 13:04 | kf | just let me knwo if I can help with something |
| 13:05 | drojf | i have seen options for context of singular and plural forms. what i would like is context like depending on module and things :) |
| 13:05 | magnuse | ki ora Brooke |
| 13:06 | s/ki/kia/ | |
| 13:06 | Brooke | kia orrraaa |
| 13:07 | kf | i am all for improving things |
| 13:07 | as long as it does not require any retranslating | |
| 13:09 | drojf | come on kf, a few thousand strings :P |
| 13:10 | Brooke | all the cool kids are doin' it |
| 13:10 | druthb | I like the easy-to-spot links to the source file on Weblate. That's pretty slick. |
| 13:11 | drojf | Translation context part allows you to see related information about current string. Nearby messages, Similar messages, All locations, Dictionary, Recent edits, Project |
| 13:11 | Brooke | sechsy |
| 13:11 | kf | drojf: maybe it would be possible to do that with pootle too |
| 13:11 | Brooke | I <3 context |
| 13:11 | kf | and we are just not doing it |
| 13:12 | drojf | kf: maybe. i would have expected the previous translation managers to have known and talked about. but maybe that was never asked about |
| 13:12 | * Brooke | still has nightmares about encroaching %s |
| 13:12 | drojf | lol |
| 13:12 | magnuse | yeah those %s's are pesky |
| 13:13 | kf | I like having them better than not having them |
| 13:13 | it gave us a lot more context instead of single words | |
| 13:15 | druthb | ssssh...kf, you gotta quit talking about jcamins; he's here now. |
| 13:16 | drojf | i was promised a "back in office" email party but all i got was this louse "out of office" email again |
| 13:16 | jcamins | drojf: it's 8:16am EST, and I think he's somewhere on the west coast. |
| 13:17 | drojf | ah. right. weird people not living in my timezone, forgot about that |
| 13:17 | Brooke | pfft the West Coast is communist. In especial in eNZed. |
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| 13:18 | H | annyone knows this problem ...Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package koha-common |
| 13:19 | jcamins | H: sounds like you don't have your apt repositories configured. |
| 13:19 | packages? | |
| 13:19 | wahanui | packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 13:19 | jcamins | ^^ that page tells you what to put in /etc/apt/sources.list. |
| 13:19 | H | i use the ubuntu version |
| 13:20 | drojf | you use the debian packages with ubuntu |
| 13:20 | H | i follow the wikki yes |
| 13:20 | did do the key | |
| 13:21 | drojf | did you du apt-get update after adding the line to /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 13:21 | s/du/do | |
| 13:21 | H | ah i updated before oeps |
| 13:21 | jcamins | H: did you run `apt-get update`? |
| 13:21 | Could you paste the line you added to sources.list to paste.koha-community.org? | |
| 13:21 | kf | druthb tmscnack cookie |
| 13:22 | druthb | nom nom nom |
| 13:22 | magnuse | hm, does that mean druthb is in fact a bot? |
| 13:22 | druthb | kf QAMsnack oatmeal bar |
| 13:22 | kf | oh yum! |
| 13:22 | jcamins | magnuse: that is one weird error. |
| 13:23 | magnuse | jcamins: yup. i can't get my head around it |
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| 13:24 | jcamins | Bet you're wishing I'd gotten further in the search rewrite, huh? ;) |
| 13:24 | magnuse | hehe, yeah |
| 13:24 | Brooke | magnuse druthb isn't a bot, I am. DUN DUN DUNNNNNN |
| 13:24 | magnuse | gaaah, the bots are coming! |
| 13:24 | jcamins | magnuse: did you restart Zebra? |
| 13:25 | druthb | EX-TER-MIN-ATE. |
| 13:25 | kf | btw good morning jcamins :) |
| 13:25 | Brooke | and those silly humans think that it's going to be a zombie apocalypse Waha... |
| 13:26 | proving once again that *everything* is related to the search rewrite. | |
| 13:26 | jcamins | Morning. |
| 13:26 | wahanui | morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. |
| 13:26 | * Brooke | hands jcamins a spanner |
| 13:26 | magnuse | hm, no |
| 13:26 | drojf | what did i miss? zebra apocalypse? |
| 13:27 | Brooke | enywho, seriously, leaving this time |
| 13:29 | magnuse | jcamins: no change after stop/start/reindex |
| 13:30 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 13:30 | Do you have this loaded onto a development server where you can follow my destructive instructions? | |
| 13:31 | magnuse | yup |
| 13:31 | jcamins | Good. |
| 13:31 | Go to line 461 of C4::Search. | |
| 13:31 | H | http://mibpaste.com/8ZiohX |
| 13:31 | jcamins | Add an "if $results[ $i - 1 ]->record($j);" at the end. |
| 13:32 | H: you do not need libchi-perl. It's optional. | |
| 13:32 | H | ok |
| 13:32 | thx for the info | |
| 13:33 | magnuse | jcamins: done |
| 13:34 | tcohen | hi jcamins |
| 13:34 | magnuse | jcamins: that gives me Can't call method "render" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Search.pm line 476. |
| 13:34 | kf | drojf: did you ask wizzy to put the new lmailing list on the website yet? |
| 13:34 | tcohen | thanks, for that push btw jcamins |
| 13:34 | kf | drojf: also, maybe we shoudl send an email to the normal Koha list as well - some people might have missed that there is a list at all |
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| 13:36 | jcamins | magnuse: okay, add the same if statement on line 476. |
| 13:37 | magnuse | jcamins: ok |
| 13:37 | jcamins | I want to know if it's giving good results. |
| 13:37 | magnuse | heh, that gives a weird result list |
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| 13:38 | jcamins | Okay, *none* of your records appear to have been indexed. |
| 13:39 | Or, rather, to have been recorded in the indexes. | |
| 13:39 | Which is of course a very different thing. | |
| 13:39 | magnuse | looks to me like it is finding the records, but can't display them |
| 13:40 | it's giving the right number of results, compared to the old installation | |
| 13:40 | jcamins | Yup. And it knows you have 150 records. |
| 13:40 | magnuse | yeah |
| 13:41 | jcamins | Would you try running rebuild_zebra.pl -v -v -v -r -x |
| 13:41 | -b | |
| 13:42 | kf | normarc specific problem?:( |
| 13:42 | jcamins | kf: nope. |
| 13:42 | catalog.bywatersolutions.com. | |
| 13:44 | kf | oh ok |
| 13:44 | magnuse | jcamins: would this work? $ sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v -v -v esme |
| 13:44 | jcamins | If it passes the -v through, then yes. |
| 13:45 | Looks like it does, so yes. | |
| 13:45 | magnuse | and "2&> ~/esme-vvv.txt" to redirect all of the output to a file, right? |
| 13:47 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 13:47 | magnuse | just need to scp that file around a bit... |
| 13:49 | jcamins: there you go: http://div.libriotech.no/kohamisc/esme-vvv.txt | |
| 13:52 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 13:53 | I don't see any problem. | |
| 13:53 | magnuse | :-( |
| 14:01 | drojf | kf: it's listed on the lists site automatically i think |
| 14:02 | jcamins | Interesting! |
| 14:02 | wahanui | interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 14:02 | jcamins | Fridolyn's suggestion is a good one. |
| 14:05 | magnuse | hm, not sure i see the relevance? |
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| 14:06 | jcamins | The problem is somewhere before the records get into Koha. |
| 14:07 | Oh, look at that. | |
| 14:07 | magnuse | but the records i'm indexing here came along with the database dump? |
| 14:07 | jcamins | Paul has instructions for fixing the problem. |
| 14:07 | Yes, but they also come along with the configuration. | |
| 14:08 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=3087#c29 | |
| 14:08 | huginn | 04Bug 3087: enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB |
| 14:08 | * magnuse | reads |
| 14:08 | jcamins | Though obviously you don't want to set it to UNIMARC. |
| 14:09 | magnuse | hehe |
| 14:09 | so i should run those sed commands? | |
| 14:10 | with normarc, of course | |
| 14:10 | jcamins | You'll just want to check that it should be set to "normarc" and not something else. |
| 14:11 | Okay, I need to pack up and go. | |
| 14:11 | Good luck! | |
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| 14:21 | vfernandes | one thing: the slips are configurable on notices interface but they aren't used on the moremember-receipt.tt |
| 14:21 | is this normal? | |
| 14:28 | something is wrong.... | |
| 14:29 | if I'm at patron details on check out tab and then I press "print quick slip" the user is redirect to printslip.pl | |
| 14:30 | if I'm at patron details on details tab and then I press "print quick slip" the user is redirect to moremember.pl | |
| 14:30 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 14:30 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 0.6°C (3:13 PM CET on December 10, 2012). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). |
| 14:30 | drojf | more snow… |
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| 14:32 | kf | drojf: yeah, listed, but on a page that is quite hidden - maybe a little bit of advertising would be good? :) |
| 14:32 | drojf | the other language specific lists are also not there |
| 14:32 | but a reference to that page | |
| 14:32 | mib_6eiq2g | hi i'm trying to install koha using the instructions from this page, http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ackages_from_List , i have create the database and the user but now i don't know what to do |
| 14:33 | drojf | i don't see how we are more interesting than the french list or the spanish one |
| 14:34 | mib_6eiq2g: it would help to ask a specific question. "don't know what to do" is pretty vague | |
| 14:34 | what is the problem? | |
| 14:34 | wahanui | the problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. |
| 14:34 | drojf | heh. ignore wahanui |
| 14:35 | mib_6eiq2g: are you looking for a development version or a regular version of koha? | |
| 14:35 | vfernandes | printslip.pl uses the template, moremember.pl not.... shouldn't both of them use the templateS? |
| 14:35 | mib_6eiq2g | the last three commands that i have execute are this $ export __KOHA_USER__=$USER $ export __KOHA_GROUP__=$USER $ echo $USER and when i try to execute $ perl Makefile.PL i give me an error |
| 14:36 | drojf | mib_6eiq2g: are you looking for a development version or a regular version of koha? |
| 14:36 | mib_6eiq2g | for a regular one |
| 14:37 | drojf | then you have the wrong guide |
| 14:37 | please see http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ubuntu_-_packages | |
| 14:37 | that should be easier to install to | |
| 14:37 | too | |
| 14:38 | mib_6eiq2g | thank you, i have asked for the instructions for the installation and one gives me this |
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| 14:46 | gerundio | mail? |
| 14:46 | wahanui | somebody said mail was not understandable |
| 14:46 | gerundio | email? |
| 14:46 | email setup? | |
| 14:46 | is there any guide on how to setup email on koha? | |
| 14:47 | I have postfix set on the server | |
| 14:47 | but the notices aren't being received by patrons | |
| 14:48 | I'm not sure what is originating this behavior, so I wanted to make sure everything is set up properly | |
| 14:48 | drojf | have you checked the logs? |
| 14:49 | * drojf | goes out into the snow |
| 14:49 | gerundio | drojf, I did |
| 14:50 | didn't find any relevant info there though | |
| 14:50 | vfernandes | have you set the KohaEmailAdminAddress or something like that? |
| 14:50 | gerundio | yes |
| 14:50 | the cronjobs are in place too | |
| 14:51 | vfernandes | which is the result of the messages? failed? |
| 14:51 | you can check in the database directly or in the patron details messages separator | |
| 14:52 | gerundio | the message_queue table is empty |
| 14:52 | which I find to be weird | |
| 14:52 | vfernandes | so the messages aren't being generated |
| 14:52 | gerundio | as if no messages have been generated |
| 14:52 | exactly | |
| 14:52 | vfernandes | every patron category as messaging enable? |
| 14:53 | EnhancedMessagingPreferences is enable? | |
| 14:54 | gerundio | EnhancedMessagingPreferences is not enabled |
| 14:54 | kf | gerundio: which kind of notices are you trying to send? |
| 14:54 | gerundio | but that just seems to enable patrons to set they're notices receiving options, right? |
| 14:55 | kf | no, it enables the notices listed in the table in general - standards to be set at the patron category level |
| 14:55 | gerundio | kf, some of our library operators have made some circulation tests |
| 14:55 | kf | but it's not for overdues, that's why I was asking aboutthe message you want to send :) |
| 14:55 | checkout and checkin slips by email then? | |
| 14:55 | gerundio | borrowed some books and didn't return them to check the fines and overdue delivery notices |
| 14:55 | vfernandes | you have to enable EnhancedMessagingPreferences |
| 14:55 | kf | they have to make sure the patrons they test with have email addresses |
| 14:56 | and have the boxes ticked for the messages they want to receive | |
| 14:56 | vfernandes | and then set for each patron category the default message set |
| 14:56 | gerundio | kf, all users have valid email addresses since our auth is being made via LDAP |
| 14:56 | kf | the standards from the patron category are only applied to new patrons, for existing the messages are deactivated |
| 14:56 | vfernandes++ yep exactly :) | |
| 14:57 | vfernandes | for the existent patron I think you will need to set them manually |
| 14:57 | gerundio | where can I check the patron category messaging setting? |
| 14:57 | vfernandes | administration -> patron categories |
| 14:57 | gerundio | I looked in "Patron category administration" but I don't see any such option |
| 14:58 | Overdue notice required?!? | |
| 14:58 | vfernandes | ..../cgi-bin/koha/admin/categorie.pl |
| 14:59 | Have you enable EnhancedMessagingPreferences? Then when creating or editing a category will be a table in the end with the notices preferences | |
| 15:00 | gerundio | vfernandes, EnhancedMessagingPreferences was the answers |
| 15:01 | vfernandes | each patron was now the same table on the details page |
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| 15:01 | vfernandes | *has now |
| 15:01 | gerundio | the text for the description of what this field does lead me in error |
| 15:02 | it looked to me that this allowed patrons to change their notices policies | |
| 15:02 | vfernandes | yes they can change it on the OPAC |
| 15:02 | but it's the only way to activate the email sending | |
| 15:04 | maybe the preference should be change to only activate the configuration in the staff client... and then should be another to activate it in the OPAC | |
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| 15:09 | H | sudo koha-create --create-db bibliotheek sudo: koha-create: command not found ... annyone ? |
| 15:09 | gerundio | vfernandes, my point too |
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| 15:10 | gerundio | otherwise it seems like patrons can simply turn off notices |
| 15:10 | vfernandes | I will fill up a bug with this |
| 15:11 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 15:11 | gerundio | hey oleonard |
| 15:11 | wahanui | oleonard is not really here. He said so. He did! |
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| 15:12 | * druthb | giggles at wahanui |
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| 15:18 | vfernandes | gerundio: bug 9254 created |
| 15:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9254 enhancement, P2, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Problem with EnhancedMessagingPreferences |
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| 15:34 | gerundio | vfernandes, thanks for submitting the bug |
| 15:34 | btw, does koha consider weekends as open library days? | |
| 15:35 | vfernandes | depends on the library calendar |
| 15:35 | gerundio | I just got a complaint saying that weekends were being accounted for |
| 15:35 | vfernandes | you have to set in the library calendar that weekends are close days |
| 15:36 | gerundio | so all I have to do is set 2 "Holiday repeating weekly", 1 for Saturday and 1 for Sunday? |
| 15:37 | vfernandes | yes |
| 15:37 | then you have so see your configurations if circulation and holds are using the close days or not | |
| 15:45 | jcamins | gerundio: you have to configure Koha to treat weekends as holidays. |
| 15:47 | magnuse: did changing the syntax work? | |
| 16:04 | vfernandes | how suspensions works in koha 3.8.X |
| 16:04 | ? | |
| 16:05 | it's possible to set the following: a patron returns a overdue book with more than 15 days... the patron is debarred for 30 days | |
| 16:06 | jcamins | Is that a problem? |
| 16:06 | vfernandes | after X days returns returns another overdue... those X days can be sum to the suspension? |
| 16:07 | jcamins | I do not know. |
| 16:07 | Suspensions aren't commonly used in the US, so I've only ever used the feature when testing bugs. | |
| 16:08 | vfernandes | let me test it |
| 16:11 | gerundio | Portuguese librarians love suspensions :p |
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| 16:27 | vfernandes | debarred is always being set to '9999-12-31' |
| 16:27 | :/ | |
| 16:27 | oleonard | That is correct |
| 16:27 | vfernandes | shouldn't be set to 30 days? |
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| 16:28 | vfernandes | from now? |
| 16:29 | oleonard | "Plain," non-date-dependent debarrals are set to that date |
| 16:29 | vfernandes | in which table? |
| 16:29 | kf | bye all |
| 16:29 | oleonard | Are you talking about a debarral which is set by circulation rules? |
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| 16:30 | vfernandes | yes... but I have a 30 days suspension |
| 16:31 | on third overdue email (16 days after overdue) the patron is debarred and suspended for 30 days | |
| 16:32 | jcamins | I didn't think the overdue triggers allowed you to set the number of days. |
| 16:32 | I thought you were using fine-in-days. | |
| 16:32 | They don't. | |
| 16:32 | It's just a checkbox. | |
| 16:33 | vfernandes | humm ok... I thought suspension in days started at the beginning of the debar |
| 16:34 | jcamins | No. |
| 16:34 | vfernandes | ok thanks |
| 16:34 | jcamins | At least, it didn't use to. |
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| 16:53 | gerundio | off topic: anybody here using Google Chrome? |
| 16:53 | oleonard | Yes |
| 16:53 | gerundio | did yours crashed too just now? |
| 16:54 | oleonard | Do you mean Google Mail? |
| 16:56 | libsysguy | no |
| 16:56 | google chrome | |
| 16:56 | wahanui | well, google chrome is fine |
| 16:56 | libsysguy | and yes |
| 16:56 | jcamins | Chrome works fine for me. |
| 16:57 | Gmail is having a service disruption, I think. | |
| 16:57 | * oleonard | is using Chrome Canary at the moment |
| 16:57 | gerundio | yeap |
| 16:57 | I guess chrome crashed for users who had gmail opened in a tab or something | |
| 16:58 | chris_n | you know its not a going to be a good monday when the first thing you see on your linux workstation is a screen full of /dev/foo media errors where foo is your single hdd |
| 16:58 | jcamins | gerundio: I had Gmail open in two tabs. |
| 16:58 | gerundio | jcamins, and yours didn't crash? |
| 16:58 | jcamins | Nope. |
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| 17:00 | magnuse | jcamins: nope. and i'm not sure it can be that, since another instance created in just the same way on the same server, but with a clean database works. i suspect it must ve something in the database |
| 17:01 | jcamins | magnuse: so you restored an instance with no data? |
| 17:02 | magnuse | um no. i created two instances, then loaded a 3.8 database dump into it one, and ran through the web installer on the other |
| 17:02 | then staged/imported the records from the dumped instance into the clean one | |
| 17:03 | the first one does not work, the swcond one does | |
| 17:03 | jcamins | Okay, so you did not use koha-restore at all? |
| 17:03 | * jcamins | thought you had. |
| 17:03 | magnuse | nope |
| 17:03 | just koha-mysql esme < esme.sql | |
| 17:03 | jcamins | Hmm... |
| 17:03 | magnuse | so the config files are all from 3.10 |
| 17:03 | on both instances | |
| 17:03 | * jcamins | blames marcflavour. |
| 17:04 | jcamins | Check capitalization. |
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| 17:08 | libsysguy | chrome died for me again |
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| 17:09 | magnuse | jcamins: gah! the one that worked had marcflavour = marc21. changing that to normarc and reindexing gives the same search error as on the other instance |
| 17:10 | jcamins | I suggest you just submit a patch to make "normarc" be treated as "marc21". |
| 17:11 | magnuse | but changing the esme one that never worked to marcflavour = marc21 does *not* solve the problem |
| 17:11 | jcamins | magnuse: did you do a full reindex after changing the marcflavour? |
| 17:12 | magnuse | jcamins: yup |
| 17:12 | sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v esme | |
| 17:13 | jcamins | And you made sure that you didn't have any changes from when I told you to edit the various config files? |
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| 17:14 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #247 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 7 mo 16 days ago) |
| 17:14 | magnuse | hm, guess i did not revert the changes in koha-conf.xml |
| 17:15 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_Docs build #247: STILL FAILING in 1 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/247/ |
| 17:15 | nengard: add lists permissions | |
| 17:18 | nengard | i've got a question about the feature in bug 7310 (I did not read the entire thing yet) - if you're not allowing patrons to create public lists can they still allow people to add things to their private lists? seems like they shouldn't be allowed to ? but just thought I should check for the manual |
| 17:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) |
| 17:20 | chris_n | stupid gmail |
| 17:22 | nengard | it's back |
| 17:22 | or it's back for me | |
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| 17:23 | jcamins | nengard: apparently it's causing Chrome to crash for people who are seemingly not us. |
| 17:23 | nengard | well it did crash for me earlier |
| 17:23 | it's just fine now ? | |
| 17:24 | senator | weird. when the gmail outage started, it spontaneously crashed chrome for me too ( 23.0.1271.95 on 64-bit linux ) |
| 17:24 | begin conspiracy theories | |
| 17:25 | gerundio | mine crashed 3 or 4 times in a matter of minutes |
| 17:25 | from what I read this happened to logged in users | |
| 17:25 | jcamins | It's a remote exploit of the Pentium hang bug!! |
| 17:25 | Everyone hide under a desk! | |
| 17:26 | gerundio | we tried to trace the browser traffic with Wireshark to see if we could figure out what was causing the crashes, but no luck so far :) |
| 17:26 | Google should apologize and reinstate Google Apps free edition again eheheeh | |
| 17:27 | magnuse | jcamins: there is another problem with bug 3087: debian/templates/koha-conf-site.xml.in was not updated, so it is still hardcoded to <retrieval syntax="usmarc" |
| 17:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3087 enhancement, P3, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 server returns usmarc format records for UNIMARC DB |
| 17:27 | jcamins | magnuse: you should file another bug for that. |
| 17:27 | magnuse | yup |
| 17:28 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #248 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 7 mo 16 days ago) |
| 17:28 | Project Koha_Docs build #248: STILL FAILING in 16 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/248/ | |
| 17:28 | nengard: update lists permissions in the opac | |
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| 17:30 | libsysguy | http://www.theverge.com/2012/1[…]934/gmail-is-down |
| 17:30 | gerundio jcamins ^^ | |
| 17:31 | jcamins | Ah, Chrome sync. |
| 17:31 | I don't use it. | |
| 17:31 | * libsysguy | does |
| 17:31 | libsysguy | its handy |
| 17:31 | jcamins | I think it's lunch time. |
| 17:31 | libsysguy | bring back hotdogs |
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| 17:32 | gerundio | libsysguy, all back to normal now |
| 17:32 | sync is very handy indeed | |
| 17:32 | libsysguy | yup |
| 17:35 | gerundio | is there any function to update a subfield for a given marc field on a record? |
| 17:35 | magnuse | has anyone tried the 3.10 packages with unimarc? |
| 17:36 | gerundio | I'm coding a script to update unimarc subfield 100 a |
| 17:36 | I'm able to see the values using $field->subfields() | |
| 17:37 | I'm even able to update it using $field->{_subfields}[1] = new value | |
| 17:37 | but I'm pretty sure there must be a better way | |
| 17:37 | I can't really say if the value is always in index 1 | |
| 17:38 | magnuse | gerundio: my $subfield = $field->subfield( 'a' ); |
| 17:38 | http://search.cpan.org/~gmchar[…]ubfield%28code%29 | |
| 17:40 | gerundio | then for update all I have to do is $field->update(a => 'new value'), right? |
| 17:41 | magnuse | yeah, i think so |
| 17:41 | gerundio | thanks a lot |
| 17:42 | magnuse | jcamins: i did apt-get remove/install koha-common to reset the common configs, and now both instances work with marcflavour = marc21 and fails with marcflavour = normarc. that's some kind of progress, i guess :-) |
| 17:44 | i think that the conclusion so far is that 3087 broke the packages for marcflavour != marc21, but i might be wrong | |
| 17:46 | jcamins | magnuse: that's my conclusion as well. |
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| 17:52 | magnuse | andeven if i choose nb-NO and normarc during installation, marcflavour is set to marc21 when i'm done with the installation... don't think it used to be like that |
| 17:53 | jcamins | magnuse: I pushed a patch from you to fix that, and it worked when I tried it. |
| 17:55 | magnuse | hm, the only one i can remember doing recently was the firstdayoftheweek setting |
| 17:56 | jcamins | Oh, maybe that's the one I tested. |
| 17:56 | Alas, marcelr isn't around. I would've liked to ask if he'd heard of "Van Nelle." | |
| 17:56 | magnuse | oh well, i'll do some more digging tomorrow |
| 17:57 | jcamins: for lots of help and inspiration :-) | |
| 17:57 | uh | |
| 17:57 | jcamins++ | |
| 17:57 | there | |
| 17:58 | gerundio | jcamins, does the $field->update() function update all the references on the DB? |
| 17:58 | for that UNIMARC field 100 subfield a fix script | |
| 17:58 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #249 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 7 mo 16 days ago) |
| 17:58 | jcamins | gerundio: no. |
| 17:58 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #8 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 17:58 | Project Koha_Docs build #249: STILL FAILING in 11 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/249/ | |
| 17:58 | nengard: update cleanup_database.pl description | |
| 17:58 | Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #8: SUCCESS in 11 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_Docs_3.8.x/8/ | |
| 17:58 | nengard: update cleanup_database.pl description | |
| 17:59 | magnuse | bug 9256, btw |
| 17:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9256 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , debian/templates/koha-conf-site.xml.in is hardcoded to retrieval syntax = usmarc |
| 17:59 | gerundio | so far I have 1. GetMarcBiblio, 2. update the value on sublfield a |
| 17:59 | do I have to do something else? | |
| 17:59 | jcamins | gerundio: it updates a single field in a single record. |
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| 18:01 | jcamins | gerundio: you'll need to save the record. |
| 18:03 | gerundio | ok, but will it update both marc and marcxml collumns or just one of them? |
| 18:03 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Pasting a report to the board, if someone could take a quick look at it and give me some advice it would be great! |
| 18:03 | pastebot | "YoungPublicLibrarian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "SELECT b.surname, b.firstname," (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/306 |
| 18:04 | YoungPublicLibrarian | With that report, how would I limit the results to just a specific branches fines? It already limits the patrons to that of a specific branch. |
| 18:04 | jcamins | It will save both, provided you use the API. |
| 18:04 | chris_n | its about time google owned up to their problems |
| 18:04 | http://www.google.com/appsstat[…]&ts=1355201999000 | |
| 18:05 | jcamins | If you're using the template script, the way it saves the record should work. |
| 18:06 | gerundio | ok, jcamins, thanks again |
| 18:06 | now I have to run | |
| 18:07 | tomorrow is another day | |
| 18:12 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Would I just need to add "AND i.homebranch = <<Home Branch|branches>>" to the where statement? |
| 18:13 | vfernandes | bye koha community :) see you tomorrow |
| 18:19 | tcohen | www::mechanize rules |
| 18:20 | jcamins | tcohen: agreed! |
| 18:24 | rangi | Is it the 10th in the us now? |
| 18:24 | YoungPublicLibrarian | It is. |
| 18:24 | cait | hm shoudl be |
| 18:25 | oleonard | So someone's vacation should be over |
| 18:25 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Would I just need to add "AND i.homebranch = <<Home Branch|branches>>" to the where statement of the report I posted earlier if I want to limit the results by fines just for a specific branch? |
| 18:25 | Topic for #koha is now yay sjohnson is back!! | |
| 18:25 | libsysguy | ^^ |
| 18:26 | jcamins | lol |
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| 18:31 | drojf | sjohnson++ |
| 18:33 | lol | |
| 18:35 | cait | lol |
| 18:43 | tcohen | heh rangi lol |
| 18:53 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Would I just need to add "AND i.homebranch = <<Home Branch|branches>>" to the where statement of the report I'm posting now if I want to limit the results by fines just for a specific branch? |
| 18:53 | pastebot | "YoungPublicLibrarian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "SELECT b.surname, b.firstname," (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/307 |
| 18:55 | reiveune | bye |
| 18:55 | reiveune left #koha | |
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| 19:14 | * chris_n | attempt to discern the output of fines.pl... |
| 19:14 | chris_n | :/usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs# ./fines.pl -v |
| 19:14 | writing to /tmp/koha_biblios_2012-12-10.log | |
| 19:14 | Fines assessment -- $today->ymd() -- Saved to $filename | |
| 19:14 | Number of Overdue Items: | |
| 19:14 | counted $overdue_items | |
| 19:14 | reported $counted | |
| 19:14 | look messed up to anyone else? | |
| 19:16 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 19:16 | cait | hi chris_n :) |
| 19:21 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Would I just need to add "AND i.homebranch = <<Home Branch|branches>>" to the where statement of this report (http://paste.koha-community.org/307) if I want to limit the results by fines just for a specific branch? |
| 19:23 | rangi | Try it and see |
| 19:24 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Would love to, but my branch doesn't have report writing permissions... |
| 19:25 | rangi | Can't help you with that then |
| 19:25 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Does the logic seem correct? |
| 19:25 | rangi | Ok meeting time |
| 19:25 | wahanui | meeting time is, like, always going to favour one section of the globe |
| 19:29 | jcamins | wahanui: you know, I think you may be right about that. |
| 19:29 | wahanui | jcamins: what? |
| 19:30 | jcamins | wahanui: never mind. |
| 19:30 | wahanui | Oh good, I didn't understand and probably never will, being a bot. |
| 19:32 | cait | lol |
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| 20:10 | tcohen | jcamins, understood what you meant |
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| 20:10 | tcohen | should that file be removed? |
| 20:11 | jcamins | tcohen: I don't think so. I think it's very useful for someone who wants to set up a backup for themselves. |
| 20:11 | tcohen | ok |
| 20:11 | jcamins | And with 9235 it would probably be possible to even just tell people "run backup.sh to backup your database." |
| 20:12 | tcohen | yeap |
| 20:13 | ericar_ left #koha | |
| 20:17 | * cait | gears up for qa |
| 20:17 | cait | or something like that |
| 20:22 | oleonard | Gearing up for QA: http://bit.ly/XKNDZh |
| 20:22 | cait | i love the makeup |
| 20:25 | tcohen | yeah, those mad QA team members are going hunt |
| 20:25 | jcamins | Are we sure about the API for GetMember? |
| 20:26 | Yes we are. | |
| 20:26 | Ugh. | |
| 20:28 | tcohen | jcamins, for building packages from master for testing, do I new squeeze or squeeze-dev in my k-c sources? |
| 20:28 | jcamins | tcohen: squeeze-dev. |
| 20:28 | wahanui | well, squeeze-dev is master |
| 20:28 | jcamins | tcohen: but be prepared to spend lots of time gnashing your teeth. |
| 20:28 | That reminds me. | |
| 20:30 | * jcamins | files bug 9258. |
| 20:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9258 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Debian packages should not depend on CHI |
| 20:31 | tcohen | --- eq 'eythian'? |
| 20:31 | * jcamins | will probably ask eythian to patch it, since he knows how to do it properly, yes. |
| 20:33 | tcohen | my source tree is busy building some deb packages right now, and will be for a while (non-SSD box right now) :-P |
| 20:33 | cait | hm |
| 20:33 | got an error updating my database? | |
| 20:34 | jcamins | cait: oh? |
| 20:35 | cait | yeah it's weird |
| 20:35 | quite sure I never tested 7919 | |
| 20:35 | but it says the tables already exist | |
| 20:35 | jcamins | I had asked you to test bug 7919 a while ago, so maybe you did. |
| 20:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7919 new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Display of values depending on the connexion library (authorised values, patron categories, extended attributes) |
| 20:36 | cait | hm no I didn't |
| 20:36 | jcamins | Oh, well, you might also have updated when it was only semi-merged. |
| 20:36 | cait | hm maybe |
| 20:36 | jcamins | (there was no version number set) |
| 20:36 | cait | possible |
| 20:36 | wahanui | it has been said that possible is everything, but I think it's probably easy to miss something here |
| 20:37 | oleonard | members.patronimage.pl is really slow... 5.5 seconds to load a 65Kb jpeg :( |
| 20:37 | cait | hm that sounds slow |
| 20:38 | jcamins | Very slow. |
| 20:38 | cait | are you testing or really doing it? |
| 20:38 | oleonard | Of course that's on my dinky VM |
| 20:38 | I'm looking at how quickly assets load on circulation.pl | |
| 20:39 | jcamins | I hope we load the patron image in an AJAXy fashion? |
| 20:39 | If it takes 5.5 seconds. | |
| 20:40 | oleonard | It's an img src target, so I don't think doing it AJAXy would make a difference? |
| 20:41 | jcamins | oleonard: I think the $(document).ready() Javascript won't fire until it's finished? |
| 20:41 | I could be mistaken. | |
| 20:41 | oleonard | I don't think that's correct |
| 20:41 | jcamins | Do I have it backwards? |
| 20:42 | document.ready fires before everything has finished, and load fires after? | |
| 20:42 | oleonard | Yeah, that's why we have to use something like window.onload for managing Amazon covers and things like that |
| 20:42 | tcohen | oh, --save-after-login, relieved i remembered u |
| 20:42 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 20:42 | oleonard | document.ready waits for the DOM to load, meaning the whole structure of the page |
| 20:43 | jcamins | Okay, never mind, then. |
| 20:43 | I knew one of the triggers would wait until every single image had been downloaded. | |
| 20:56 | Is anyone looking for a name for a boy? I suggest Gerald Hugh Tyrwhitt-Wilson. | |
| 20:57 | tcohen | rootkoha-dev:~# koha-create --create-db test |
| 20:57 | awk: cmd. line:4: fatal: cannot open file `/etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf' for reading (No such file or directory) | |
| 20:57 | oleonard | Smashing. |
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| 20:57 | jcamins | tcohen: sounds like koha-common might not be configured. |
| 20:58 | Try `sudo apt-get -f install` | |
| 20:58 | tcohen | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:58 | looks like i need mysql-server i guess | |
| 20:58 | :-D | |
| 20:58 | jcamins | lol |
| 20:58 | Yes. | |
| 20:59 | tcohen | can i tell it I use an external db? |
| 20:59 | jcamins | Yes, but then you have to write the koha-common.cnf file yourself. |
| 20:59 | tcohen | ok |
| 20:59 | a dialog for entering that data would be handy | |
| 21:00 | jcamins | Ooh, that would be nifty. |
| 21:03 | tcohen | yeah, some error handling too! |
| 21:03 | wizzyrea | I am sure robin would take patches :) |
| 21:04 | jcamins | See wizzyrea's response. ^^ ;) |
| 21:06 | tcohen | i'll talk with robin about this |
| 21:06 | bye #koha | |
| 21:10 | oleonard | by #koha |
| 21:26 | * jcamins | works out that "Le poisson d'or" is a "goldfish," eventually. |
| 21:27 | rambutan | @seen brooke |
| 21:27 | huginn | rambutan: brooke was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 59 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <Brooke> enywho, seriously, leaving this time |
| 21:29 | rambutan | Brooke was involved in a discussion in Sept about printing ID cards from within Koha. Discussion seemed to end quickly, but somehow I want to poke that sleeping dog. |
| 21:40 | rangi | rambutan: got your library card, thank you |
| 21:40 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/r[…]47/in/photostream | |
| 21:40 | eythian | @later tell tcohen a debconf dialogue system for configuring things on install is On My List. Patches welcome however ;) |
| 21:40 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:40 | rambutan | good! |
| 21:51 | drojf | is it possible to cherry pick for a custom tarball installation? like having a certain version like 3.8.7 in git, cherrypicking a patch or two and then roll that into the tarball? how is that packed up for installation? |
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| 21:53 | jcamins | drojf: yes, `git archive --format=tar --prefix=koha-drojf-3.10.01/ drojfsbranch | gzip > koha-drojf-3.10.01.tar.gz` |
| 21:53 | drojf | cool, thanks |
| 21:58 | jcamins | libsysguy: is libsysgut what you get when you spend too much time sitting in front of the computer working on Koha? :P |
| 21:59 | libsysguy | pretty much jcamins |
| 21:59 | and too much coffee | |
| 21:59 | the libsysgut just gets to churning | |
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| 22:03 | wizzyrea | libsysgut? |
| 22:05 | rambutan | from beer fridays? |
| 22:05 | and wine thursdays? | |
| 22:06 | wizzyrea | and pizza wednesdays |
| 22:06 | jcamins | Pizza... |
| 22:06 | wahanui | hmmm... pizza is in the oven. |
| 22:06 | rambutan | what about monday and tuesday? |
| 22:06 | jcamins | yesss... |
| 22:06 | However, today is saag paneer Monday. | |
| 22:07 | wizzyrea | saag paneer. |
| 22:07 | now I want that. | |
| 22:07 | curse you. | |
| 22:08 | jcamins | :P |
| 22:08 | rambutan | chatting w/ jcamins also requires chatting w/ google sometimes |
| 22:08 | jcamins | lol |
| 22:08 | cait | hehe true |
| 22:08 | jcamins | I started reading Les Miserables. |
| 22:08 | I finished book 1. | |
| 22:08 | And got through the first six chapters of book 2. | |
| 22:08 | rambutan | and in French, si? |
| 22:09 | oui? | |
| 22:09 | jcamins | No, I cheated and went with an English translation. |
| 22:09 | rambutan | 1/2 credit then |
| 22:09 | jcamins | At that point I got thoroughly sick of reading a second-by-second recounting of the Battle of Waterloo, and took a break to read... |
| 22:09 | wizzyrea | something in latin |
| 22:09 | jcamins | 1 book on knitting, the Yellow Wallpaper, and a book on beer brewing. |
| 22:09 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 22:10 | jcamins | Oh! |
| 22:10 | And Metamorphosis. | |
| 22:10 | wizzyrea | i approve of your future beer brewing endeavours |
| 22:10 | jcamins | bug 8878 |
| 22:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8878 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , koha-shell: a command to make using koha commands easier |
| 22:10 | jcamins | Heh. I don't think I'll be brewing beer |
| 22:11 | I don't really drink it. | |
| 22:11 | eythian | http://zythophile.wordpress.com/ <-- jcamins you may also be interested in this blog |
| 22:11 | oh, or you may not then. | |
| 22:11 | jcamins | A lot of my friends brew beer, though. |
| 22:11 | So I thought I would learn how to make a brewery ca. the turn of the last century. | |
| 22:12 | eythian | oh, then you will be interested in that blog. |
| 22:12 | jcamins | Yes! Second picture is a scan of an ad from the nineteenth century! |
| 22:12 | * jcamins | closes up. |
| 22:12 | eythian | haha |
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| 23:01 | dcook | Good morning/some time of day, #koha |
| 23:01 | rangi | hey dcook |
| 23:02 | dcook | hey rangi. How's life been treating you? |
| 23:02 | rangi | busy busy, but good |
| 23:02 | how about you? | |
| 23:03 | dcook | About the same. I've finished up my MLIS course requirements, so just waiting for my marks and letter of completion. I'll be back in Oz in about 3 weeks. Time sure flies... |
| 23:05 | rangi | sweet! |
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| 23:06 | dcook | It certainly feels good to be done grad school :) |
| 23:09 | On a more Koha note, I don't suppose you've done much with using ICU with Zebra? I think I've got the main idea down, but it seems problematic if libraries have more records in more than one language :S | |
| 23:11 | rangi | i think talking to cait would be best |
| 23:11 | she has libraries that have german and hebrew records | |
| 23:11 | dcook | Ooo |
| 23:11 | Excellent | |
| 23:12 | I saw her talking a bit about it in the logs, so that's certainly an idea | |
| 23:13 | Thanks for the tip | |
| 23:14 | rangi | no worries |
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| 23:39 | drojf | build-git-snapshot does a lot of things. unfortunately building a deb package is not one of them |
| 23:39 | rangi | hm does for me |
| 23:40 | just finished building one about 20 mins ago .. where is it stopping for you? | |
| 23:42 | pastebot | "drojf" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "build deb package" (332 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/308 |
| 23:42 | drojf | with all the dependencies and dummies i don't understand what is missing in the end |
| 23:44 | rangi | you are missing a few |
| 23:44 | what you need to do is add debian.koha-community.org to your sources list in your pbuilder instance | |
| 23:44 | because a few packages have crept in that arent in squeeze | |
| 23:45 | (or even wheezy) | |
| 23:45 | so we have ahd to package them (we as in eythian) | |
| 23:45 | drojf | ah that makes sense |
| 23:45 | rangi | what i do is |
| 23:45 | sudo pbuilder --login --save-after-login | |
| 23:45 | eythian | the command that does it all is in the wiki |
| 23:45 | rangi | and just check the sources.list and add it then logout |
| 23:49 | drojf | eythian: what i did came from http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]es_-_The_Easy_Way |
| 23:49 | eythian | yeah, it's actually the hard way |
| 23:49 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_Debian_Packages | |
| 23:50 | feel free to update pages as appropriate :) | |
| 23:52 | drojf | we have way too many ways of doing things in the wiki ;) |
| 23:52 | eythian | yeah |
| 23:53 | rangi | yep |
| 23:53 | feel free to mark some obsolete | |
| 23:53 | thats what i do | |
| 23:54 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/Install-dep-cpan | |
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