IRC log for #koha, 2012-11-29

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00:03 jcamins Where do I set estimated delivery dates?
00:05 Oh, figured it out.
00:07 But I can't figure out how to get something to show up in the list of late orders.
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00:07 jcamins Ah, figured it out.
00:07 You have to clear all the criteria before clicking filter.
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00:33 informationstudies hi every one , i'm emtenan from kingdom of Saudi Arabia , cs college " information studies "  i've one question , How many libraries use Koha system ? !
00:35 drojf informationstudies: nobody knows. everybody can download and use it without registration
00:36 jcamins informationstudies: many.
00:36 worldwide koha users?
00:36 drojf informationstudies: you can search at http://www.librarytechnology.org/libwebcats/ but that only includes those that put it there
00:36 jcamins koha installations?
00:36 worldwide koha installations?
00:36 wahanui has failed me!
00:36 wahanui jcamins: what?
00:36 jcamins koha users worldwide?
00:36 informationstudies aha but my doctors give me this assignment =(  he wanna  numbers
00:36 jcamins worldwide koha users is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]a_Users_Worldwide
00:37 informationstudies: you can tell count the number listed on the page there, and/or on libwebcats, but that's not a definitive answer.
00:37 There is no definitive answer.
00:37 The best you could do would be "at least X."
00:38 drojf lib-web-cats A directory of libraries throughout the world      found 1983 items where the library automation system used is  Koha sorted by: Institution, Type,HQ DESC,LibraryName.  Showing page 1 of 100
00:38 so i'd say it's a lot more
00:40 jcamins Tons more, because that doesn't include libraries in the Phillipines, does it?
00:41 I think almost every library in the Phillipines is using Koha.
00:42 drojf found 263 items where the country is  Philippines and the library automation system used is  Koha sorted by: Institution, Type,HQ DESC,LibraryName.  Showing page 1 of 14.
00:42 jcamins Okay, so it has at least some of the libraries.
00:43 drojf informationstudies: you could try to get some download statistics too. of course that does not say anything. rangi would probably know some numbers
00:44 informationstudies here in Saudi i think one of the university in Riyadh  used Koha .   but others used horizon like in my university ,
00:45 jcamins There are also Millennium and Voyager libraries in Saudi, and probably a lot of other ILSes in use, too. :)
00:45 Koha's the best, though, of course. :)
00:45 informationstudies i must download some statistics , try to find the right number  <<< i hope to find it *_*
00:45 drojf there is no right number
00:46 jcamins informationstudies: drojf meant that there are statistics on the number of people who have downloaded Koha in the last month.
00:46 drojf but while you're at it, download a copy of koha for yourself. it's free and nice, try it out yourself :)
00:46 jcamins Yes, definitely do that.
00:47 drojf uh, it's getting 2am-ish already. good night #koha
00:48 jcamins Good night.
00:48 informationstudies i'll try it insha allah  , Thank you so much for  helping me ,
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00:48 informationstudies good night all =)
01:02 eythian wahanui: burn is <reply>http://i.imgur.com/eGEPE.jpg
01:02 wahanui OK, eythian.
01:05 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #959: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/959/
01:05 * oleonard: Bug 9137 - Focus when editing/adding new itemtypes/authorised values
01:05 * kyle: Bug 8559 - conflicting item statuses - Force cancel or revert
01:05 * kyle: Bug 8559 - conflicting item statuses - QA Followup
01:05 * christophe.croullebois: Bug 8557: Prevents form validation by pressing "Enter"
01:05 * jonathan.druart: Bug 9030: Add constraint on aqorders_items.ordernumber
01:05 * jcamins: Bug 9030: Increment version number
01:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9137 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Focus when editing/adding new itemtypes/authorised values
01:05 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8559 normal, P3, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , conflicting item statuses
01:05 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8557 normal, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Master , in orderreceive.tt and serials-edit.tt the use of a barcode scan send the form unexpectedly
01:05 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9030 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , There is no constraint on aqorders_items
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02:12 jcamins wizzyrea: you're good at puns... I need a clever name for my dal mix that is a pun on "dal" or "lentil."
02:12 Since "lentil the match
02:13 *"Lentil the matchmaker" doesn't make any sense, I'm thinking that I need a pun based on "dal."
02:14 eythian Salvador Lentil
02:14 wizzyrea dal-icious something
02:14 trea The Dal-i Lentil
02:14 jcamins trea++
02:14 wizzyrea WINNING
02:14 :)
02:15 jcamins Awesome! That's absolutely perfect.
02:15 * wizzyrea defers to trea for all things humor now
02:15 * trea bows
02:19 jcamins Another friend refined it further: Dal-i Llentil.
02:19 Prunounced "Dali Yentl" in Castilian Spanish. :)
02:19 *Castillian
02:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #21 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:28 Starting build #235 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
02:29 jcamins Dal-i Llentil is doubly perfect because now my instructions for making the dal from scratch are "For reincarnation"!
02:29 trea hehe
02:29 wizzyrea hahaha
02:31 jcamins So, you did a good job with that, but what about punning names for hot chocolate mixes and crepe mixes?
02:35 p-cocoa (rho-cocoa)?
02:36 trea hehe. now with lots of fiddly bits
02:44 wizzyrea hmm
03:07 jcamins Dicey crepes?
03:08 Punning on the dice game.
03:48 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #235: SUCCESS in 1 hr 20 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/235/
03:48 tomascohen: Bug 9142 - Remove the use of subtests
03:51 Project Koha_3.10.x build #21: SUCCESS in 1 hr 23 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/21/
03:51 * tomascohen: Bug 9142 - Remove the use of subtests
03:51 * fridolyn.somers: Bug 9132: Paging through OPAC authority search results does not work
03:51 * fridolyn.somers: Bug 9132: Paging through OPAC authority search results does not work (followup 1) input with and_ora instread of and_or
03:56 wizzyrea crepe expectations?
03:56 Crepe fear?
03:56 Crepe Cod?
04:01 ibeardslee Thomas Creper?
04:01 wizzyrea ^^
04:01 show me your cocoa face?
04:11 jcamins I like crepe expectations.
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04:21 jcamins It doesn't offer any clever headings for the recipe, though.
04:21 wizzyrea I suppose not
04:21 why do i imagine that this is myshkin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?[…]e=player_embedded
04:37 jcamins_away lol
04:37 Yeah, that's him.
04:37 Good night. :)
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05:50 cait hi #koha
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07:03 * magnuse waves
07:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #22 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
07:29 alex_a_ bonjour
07:30 cait hi magnuse and alex_a_ :)
07:31 alex_a_ hello cait
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07:37 paul_p hello #koha
07:37 reiveune hello
07:37 wahanui hola, reiveune
07:37 magnuse kia ora cait alex_a_ paul_p reiveune
07:39 cait hi paul_p
07:39 and hi reiveune :)
07:39 europe waking up :)
07:39 reiveune hi cait magnuse :)
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08:03 lds hello
08:03 wahanui hola, lds
08:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #22: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/22/
08:09 koha: Bug 9098 Replace tabulations by spaces in opac-user.pl
08:10 Starting build #23 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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08:10 magnuse success! \o/
08:10 @wunder boo
08:11 no huginn today?!?
08:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #236 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:15 magnuse @later tell wizzyrea: you might want to update http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars ;-)
08:15 rangi that wont work without huginn :)
08:16 magnuse gah!
08:16 old habits...
08:16 i was going to leave a @later for gmcharlt...
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08:54 magnuse is there a good way to assemble the data fields in marc, like field 008? something that does "insert this char at position 23" in a sane way?
09:00 rangi hmm not that i know of
09:01 magnuse hm, better do it in an insane way, then i guess
09:03 which is what i would expect as long as MARC is involved, anyway
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09:03 kf hello #koha
09:03 magnuse kia ora kf
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09:29 vkm hello, is it necessary to keep accession series separate when managing many libraries with single koha
09:30 kf hi magnuse
09:32 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #236: SUCCESS in 1 hr 19 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/236/
09:32 * koha: Bug 9098 Replace tabulations by spaces in opac-user.pl
09:32 * robin: Bug 6680 - simple tidy-up of cart download format descriptions
09:32 vkm i mean at present there are many libraries in our system working independently, so i can i bring together in one koha without effecting there system
09:32 jenkins_koha * nengard: Follow up to Bug 6680: tiny up download lists formats
09:32 Project Koha_3.10.x build #23: SUCCESS in 1 hr 22 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/23/
09:32 * robin: Bug 6680 - simple tidy-up of cart download format descriptions
09:32 * nengard: Follow up to Bug 6680: tiny up download lists formats
09:32 * oleonard: Bug 9106 - Filtering list of uncertain price list by owner empties order information
09:32 * oleonard: Bug 9137 - Focus when editing/adding new itemtypes/authorised values
09:32 * kyle: Bug 8559 - conflicting item statuses - Force cancel or revert
09:32 * kyle: Bug 8559 - conflicting item statuses - QA Followup
09:32 * christophe.croullebois: Bug 8557: Prevents form validation by pressing "Enter"
09:32 magnuse success! \o/
09:33 vkm i mean at present there are many libraries in our system working independently, so i can i bring together in one koha without effecting there system
09:33 our accession series are same?
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09:43 magnuse vkm: what do you mean by "accession series"?
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11:07 vfernandes hi :)
11:08 great new for UNIMARC users: patch for bug 8347 submitted
11:08 kf bug 8347
11:08 hm where is our bot?
11:08 vfernandes http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8334
11:08 kf oh no huginn?
11:08 vfernandes vacations :P
11:09 kf heh hope not
11:09 gmcharlt: could you take a look at huginn? - he went missing.
11:10 vfernandes it is down for a beer eheh
11:12 I put the wrong link - http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8347
11:13 this patch I think it's important to be tested and put in the next 3.10.X and 3.8.X
11:15 in my tests worked perfectly :P
11:15 kf you wouldn't have submitted it otherwise I hope ;)
11:17 vfernandes of course... :)
11:38 kf what if think about a patch to change the scale and width of barcode in patron cards?
11:38 *what you
11:38 kf hm not sure
11:38 it's over 20 right now I think?
11:38 oh on patron cards
11:38 not sure I haven't used that feature yet
11:39 vfernandes my $barcode_width = 0.8 * $self->{'width'};  my $barcode_y_scale_factor = 0.01 * $self->{'height'};
11:39 the 0.8 and 0.01 values are fixed
11:50 magnuse might be a good idea to run that by chris_n when he shows up perhaps? he coded most of that, i think
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12:22 vfernandes I have other modifications that would be nice to have in the labels
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12:33 vfernandes shouldn't record batch edit be already in Koha 3.8.X?
12:34 kf nope - only items, not records
12:35 vfernandes I have adapted a patch to add batch edit for records in Koha 3.2.X
12:37 ohh bug 5725
12:37 http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5725
12:38 I have this working on 3.2.X
12:46 Barrc Would anyone have any ideas as to why a MySQL server install is taking up to 25 seconds to insert into the koha sessions table! Old version of Koha and SQL is optimised as best I can - really strange!
13:05 kf Barrc: do you regularly tdelete old entries?
13:05 Barrc kf: yeah, daily. Session table has about 80 rows there now
13:13 kf Barrc: I think there are some best practice things you can do
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13:14 kf but we haven't tried them (afaik) like changing the table not to be innodb or not use mysql to store session information
13:14 maybe try google - quite sure it has been on the mailing list before
13:17 Barrc kf: Thanks - I'd imagine there'd be some code (CGI) changes to not use the db for session information. Should be handy enough - I will trawl through the list - thanks. Have exhausted all other avenues at this stage!
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13:20 kf Barrc: I think you can even configure it
13:20 but never done it- so I woudl suggest you try and research it online
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13:21 kf h oleonard
13:21 wahanui hmmm... oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
13:21 oleonard Hi
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13:36 jcamins_away Barrc: actuall I do have an idea.
13:37 jcamins Barrc: run OPTIMIZE TABLE sessions;
13:38 Barrc jcamins: thanks - I have already tried that - no joy!
13:38 oleonard What setting prevents you from placing holds in the OPAC because of fines?
13:39 I seem to have it turned on and can't figure out how to turn it off :|
13:39 kf hm
13:39 oleonard: let me think about it - what's the message you get?
13:40 oleonard "Sorry, you cannot place holds because you owe $26.95." I guess I could trace back from there but I thought someone might remember offhand
13:41 kf hm
13:41 hm
13:41 I am not sure we have a pref specific to holds - but we might have
13:41 which version are you looking at? master?
13:42 oleonard Yes
13:44 kf hah
13:44 maxoutstanding
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13:46 oleonard_ Hey, what was that all about?
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13:47 oleonard_ maxoutstanding. Okay, makes sense. I don't know why I couldn't find it when searching preferences.
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13:48 nengard_ oleonard:  maxoutstanding
13:48 was disconnected just now
13:48 not sure that came through
13:48 oleonard_ Nope, nor did I see kf say the same thing :)
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13:49 oleonard (until I checked the log to see if my last message had been heard)
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13:49 kf ah
13:49 but you found it :)
13:49 nengard_ keep getting kicked
13:49 tcohen paul_p: i was confident that if I sent an email about translate.k-c then it would automagically get fixed.
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13:50 paul_p tcohen = I think here's a problem though, because it's anormally slow
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13:51 kf tcohen: the server moved recently - so I think druthb is trying to figure out what's wrong
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13:52 tcohen thanks, paul_p kf
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14:09 druthb tcohen++  #offer of a better home for the Pootle.
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14:12 kf tcohen++ :)
14:13 oleonard jcamins: When do we get to see this dal recipe?
14:14 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "oleonard: dal recipe" (23 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/287
14:14 oleonard Ah, part of a gift package?
14:15 jcamins Yup.
14:16 oleonard Great idea
14:22 magnuse Barrc: there's a syspref called  SessionStorage that lets you choose mysql, memcached or tempfiles for your sessions
14:30 Barrc magnuse: Thanks - although I notice (in the slow query log) that other tables are slow too - must be more a MySQL issue - can't figure it though...
14:30 jcamins Alas, bug 7067 comes with no unit tests whatsoever.
14:31 However, the test plans on the bug receive my approval: they were clearly labelled "test plan."
14:31 kf bug 7067
14:31 oh I miss huginn
14:32 magnuse gmcharlt?
14:32 wahanui gmcharlt is probably an expert in all things library technology.
14:32 magnuse yay!
14:32 * gmcharlt looks for lost bots
14:32 magnuse w00t!
14:32 kf :)
14:32 thx
14:34 chris_n heya #koha
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14:37 chris_n wb huginn
14:39 gmcharlt @quote radnom
14:39 huginn gmcharlt: downloading the Perl source
14:39 gmcharlt @quote random
14:39 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #203: "francharb: oh god… it's complicated" (added by wizzyrea at 03:48 PM, May 08, 2012)
14:40 magnuse gmcharlt++
14:41 kf gmcharlt++
14:43 oleonard there's a potential wrinkle with 7067 that I'd like to discuss jcamins when you have time
14:43 jcamins oleonard: is it the lack of unit tests?
14:44 oleonard No :)
14:44 jcamins Oh, well, I caught that one.
14:44 I have some time now if you'd like to discuss it now. :)
14:44 oleonard It's the conflict between the need for self-registrations that notices be sent very frequently, versus the need of "digest" type messages to have time to accumulate
14:45 If we want people's self-registration details to go out right away (what a user would expect), the message queue has to be processed every minute or so
14:45 But that means that "digest" messages have no time to accumulate before being sent
14:46 jcamins Hm.
14:50 kf oleonard: could we have a process_message_queue job that is more selective?
14:50 like cron themwith different delays
14:51 oleonard That seems like it might work
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14:56 oleonard So one question is whether such a change to process_message_queue blocks 7067, or whether 7067 could be pushed with warnings to the user
14:56 jcamins oleonard: I think the latter, if 7067 passes QA.
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14:58 kf oleonard: I think maybe have a big note - and tell people that it#s a new feature they can use, but there is one caveat?
14:59 I see no harm done adding it - it will cause no regression and people can decide if it's a blocker for them or not
15:21 jcamins jcamins
15:21 jcamins?
15:21 wahanui you are too young to be the President of the United States.  Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election.
15:22 jcamins wahanui: jcamins is also very, very irascible.
15:22 wahanui okay, jcamins.
15:22 jcamins jcamins?
15:22 wahanui you are very, very irascible.
15:22 jcamins Listen to wahanui, folks, s/he knows of whence s/he speaks.
15:23 BTW, is wahanui male or female?
15:23 druthb yes.
15:24 Since wahanui says things that don't make much sense sometimes, I presume male.
15:24 jcamins lol
15:25 magnuse hehe
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15:28 druthb hm.  wahanui:  magnuse?
15:29 wahanui: magnuse?
15:29 wahanui magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
15:29 druthb lulz
15:29 * druthb is very silly sometimes.
15:29 magnuse yay
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15:32 * jcamins is very grouchy sometimes.
15:32 oleonard With great power comes great grouchiness.
15:32 jcamins oleonard: yep.
15:33 oleonard Also: with great power comes the ability to do something about some of the things that make you grouchy.
15:33 jcamins Well, we'll see if that's true.
15:39 magnuse groucho!
15:39 * kf sends cookies and eats some herself
15:39 * magnuse imagines jcamins with large painted-on eyebrows and moustache, and smoking on a cigar
15:39 kf lol
15:40 * kf sends some cookies to magnuse and oleonard too
15:40 jcamins lol
15:40 magnuse there is no sanity clause!
15:40 kf: nom nom!
15:40 kf oleonard: I hope you are right - doing something about it is always better than being grouchy, but sometimes it's really really hard to not grouch.
15:41 oleonard I'm a fan of grouching, but also of doing something about it.
15:43 I submitted an update to bug 8661 jcamins, not sure if you want another signoff or not
15:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8661 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , break out additional authors in opac like in staff
15:45 magnuse @later tell wizzyrea: you might want to update http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars ;-)
15:45 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
15:45 oleonard And hey you people who are also regulars, add yourself to that list!
15:46 jcamins I guess I should update the coding guidelines.
15:46 kf oleonard: can I request something for this bug?
15:47 oleonard kf: Sure
15:47 kf oleonard: our data contains the english codes, but that is often not really what end users understand
15:47 magnuse jcamins: good idea - there were a couple of mails yesterday that struck me as candidates for copying to the wiki
15:47 jcamins kf: ooh, good idea. css_classes++
15:47 kf until we find a good solution for this, could you add a class to make it possible to hide the information?
15:48 oleonard Which information are you talking about?
15:48 * magnuse wanders off to make dinner
15:48 kf the relator codes
15:48 vfernandes I want to be on IRC regulars :P
15:48 jcamins $4 and $e
15:48 vfernandes: add yourself to the list!
15:48 kf vfernandes: you can add yourself :) totally legal
15:48 oleonard: they are shown in square brackets behind the names
15:49 +        <!-- add relator code too between brackets--> << those :)
15:49 oleonard I see
15:52 vfernandes how I can add myself? I can only edit channel bot list ...
15:53 jcamins vfernandes: just edit it. :)
15:53 vfernandes forget it :P
15:53 jcamins There's an edit button.
15:53 vfernandes: oh, are you logged in?
15:53 It doesn't show up unless you're logged in.
15:53 vfernandes I was looking for it but I wasn't found it
15:55 done
15:59 now I want to be in the thanks list of the next Koha release :P
16:00 oleonard You're on the right track vfernandes
16:00 jcamins vfernandes: I think you have a very good chance of that. :)
16:00 If you sign off on patches, you can even get thanked twice. :)
16:00 oleonard kf: Does Bug 9169 get it right?
16:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9169 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Wrap authorities relator code in <span> to allow for CSS customization
16:00 vfernandes :)
16:01 kf oleonard: almost - it's not authorities but on bibliographic records
16:01 but yes, that would be very helpful
16:04 jcamins Okay, does anyone have a particularly good commit message they would like to propose for my guidelines on commit messages.
16:04 *?
16:06 * jcamins just takes a random commit message he wrote.
16:11 kf heh
16:11 jcamins: I think I like guidelines, but we should try not to scare new contributors away
16:11 so maybe be a bit lenient with people not so experienced? :) only a gentle reminder to us all
16:12 jcamins kf: yes, but the people who are failing to follow them are almost universally experienced developers.
16:12 kf not saying we have a current case
16:12 but hopefully we will see some new devs during 3.12 release cycle :)
16:12 jcamins If you're new, I'll guide you through it.
16:13 I won't even get annoyed.
16:14 kf :)
16:19 reiveune bye
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16:28 jcamins commit messages?
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16:28 jcamins commit messages is <reply> Please follow the guidelines at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Commit_messages when writing commit messages.
16:28 commit messages?
16:28 wahanui Please follow the guidelines at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Commit_messages when writing commit messages.
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16:30 * chris_n is enjoying the stimulating discussion on QA
16:30 jcamins cdalibtek: you need a forward slash instead of a backslash.
16:30 chris_n try /join #foo
16:30 snap
16:31 libsysguy did you just join the #foo board chris_n
16:31 chris_n hehe
16:31 * jcamins wonders what is there.
16:31 chris_n well, bar of course
16:31 jcamins lol
16:31 libsysguy Wants to start a bar called foo
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16:51 * drojf could use a foo tonic
16:54 talljoy jcamins: i've got a question on indexes for you if you have a sec.  (or anyone else who loves indices as much as jcamins....)
16:54 drojf jcamins++ # guidelines!
16:57 talljoy first let me start with a basic question.  Does the authority indexer work better (or no difference) with dom or grs-1 biblio indexing?
16:57 sorry...authority linker
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16:59 jcamins talljoy: DOM.
17:00 talljoy the linker is working beautifully, btw on this data set.
17:00 but the authority page is all showing 0 biblio(s)
17:00 and I can't search the catalog for the an=### and get results.
17:01 fyi- this is a fresh install (git) 3.8.4 including the makefile and make install run.
17:03 jcamins talljoy: 3.8.4?
17:03 talljoy yeah, don't ask.  lol
17:03 jcamins If I had to guess, I'd say this is probably a result of bug...
17:03 (looking)
17:04 talljoy i can go up to 3.8.5.  but no higher since that the version they are on.
17:04 jcamins bug 8557
17:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8557 normal, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Stable , in orderreceive.tt and serials-edit.tt the use of a barcode scan send the form unexpectedly
17:04 jcamins No.
17:04 Where did I get that number?
17:04 bug 8665
17:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8665 critical, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , DOM indexing fails to index some bib records
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17:04 jcamins That said, I've never heard of that being a problem.
17:05 And you reindexed the bibs, right?
17:05 talljoy yes i did.  i am going to move up to 3.8.5 then symlink the kohaclone files to dev and then reindex.
17:06 i didn't symlink for this version since it was "installed" from scratch yesterday.
17:07 i just feel like i'm missing something obvious about the indexing or config files.  some reason why it won't (or hasn't) indexed 'an'
17:07 where is that found the reference to index an?  bib1.att?
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17:08 jcamins talljoy: biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl
17:09 talljoy okay, i'll poke around there.thanks!
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17:09 jcamins And you did reindex the bibs, right?
17:09 Oh, yes, you said that.
17:09 Good.
17:10 talljoy i did.  this is an indexing thing.  i need to upgrade this install and poke around a bit.  Thanks!
17:18 tcohen jcamins++ for pointing me to gerrit
17:31 * jcamins prepares to paper the NYS Department of Civil Service with legal threats.
17:32 chris_n paper or pepper?
17:32 jcamins_away chris_n: paper.
17:32 Pepper implies it will be scattered.
17:33 chris_n :)
17:34 jcamins_away Papering implies the more accurate, "every single space in that building is going to have a letter from us."
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18:19 cait oleonard++ :)
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18:23 martian523 hi, after the upgrade to 3.8.7, i got this error when trying to replace / edit record
18:23 Undefined subroutine &C4::AuthoritiesMarc::GetAuthorizedHeading called at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 667.
18:24 cait I think there was a bug filed for a mising subroutine in 3.8
18:24 martian523: have you checked bugzilla?
18:25 martian523 nope
18:26 cait maybe bug 8829
18:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8829 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , can't import authorities
18:26 martian523 i'm just a librarian, not really know IT stuff
18:26 cait or hm bug 9110
18:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9110 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , GetAuthorizedHeading Can't call method "field" on an undefined
18:26 cait martian523: being a librarian is nice, I am one too :)
18:27 martian523 pretty nice
18:27 so is there a bug fix?
18:27 cait hm still trying to find the bug report I was thinking about
18:27 jcamins_away: ?
18:27 bug 9149
18:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9149 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Patch 8823 introduces reference to non-existent function
18:28 cait ok
18:28 I think that last one could be it
18:29 martian523: what you can do - add your problem descrpition to the last bug - it will also add you as cc to the bug report, so you will get notice when something moves there
18:29 hopefully it will be fixed in 3.8.8 (I would think so)
18:29 martian523 so does that mean i can't do any records now?
18:29 import or add or edit?
18:29 cait as soon as there is a patch, your it person should be able to fix it
18:30 but there is no patch yet :(
18:30 that's why it would be cool if you updated with your problem - and we can give it a higher severity
18:33 martian523 hopefully it will be fixed very soon
18:33 i very much appreciate everyone working for koha
18:36 cait :)
18:41 martian523 i added my comment to the bug, so I would get a notification when someone comment?
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18:43 cait yeah, you shoud be on the cc list on the right side now
18:43 I hope we got the right bug
18:44 martian523 or i can create a new bug? =)
18:45 cait yep you can do that too :)
18:45 everything worked before your updte?
18:46 martian523 yep
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18:47 martian523 i think it's the right bug
18:49 cait I will keep an eye on it, but you are cc now - so you should see when something happens there
18:49 rangi If I can track down the root of the problem I'll release a 3.8.7-1
18:49 cait good morning rangi
18:49 rangi With the fix
18:50 cait martian523: rangi is release maintainer - he can actually do that :)
18:50 martian523 thanks
18:50 rangi First I have to be able to recreate it
18:50 And I currently can't
18:51 martian523 recreate the authorities?
18:52 rangi Recreate the bug
18:53 cait martian523: can you give the exact steps of what you were doing?
18:53 rangi And what your sysprefs are around authorities
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18:54 martian523 so i was trying to replace a record by doing a Z39.5 search, the title came out, uploaded it,
18:54 but can't save it,
18:54 i haven't changed anything in authorities
18:55 it's been fine before the update to 3.8.7
18:56 cait martian523: can you go into the system preferences editor and look what your settings are on the authorities tab?
18:57 martian523 i'm there
18:57 which preference
18:57 autocreate? biblioadds?
18:58 cait just list them up to down maybe?
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18:58 martian523 autocreate -- generate
18:58 cait the pref and the setting, don't have to give the whole sentence - will make it easier to get into the same situation
18:59 martian523 biblioadds -- allow
18:59 dontmerge -- don't
18:59 rangi Try switch autocreate off please
18:59 martian523 useauthorities -- use
18:59 * francharb waves
19:03 rangi Hi francharb
19:03 cait hi francharb
19:04 martian523 o nice, fixed
19:04 francharb hi rangi cait
19:04 martian523 but why would the settings change by itself?
19:04 rangi It didn't
19:05 It's just a work around
19:05 martian523 but it was working fine before?
19:05 o, so it's just a temporary fix?
19:06 rangi There is a bug in autocreate
19:06 Well it wasn't it was creating duplicate authorities
19:06 But it appeared to be fine
19:06 In trying to fix that autocreate was broken
19:06 cait sounds a bit complicated
19:06 rangi When that is fixed you can switch it back on
19:06 cait rangi++
19:07 martian523 ok...that will be in the next update i suppose?
19:07 rangi Could you update the bug saying if you turn autocreate authorities off you can work round this
19:07 So others know
19:07 And yes December 22
19:08 Unless I decide it's more urgent
19:08 martian523 ok, but would this work around create new problems?
19:08 rangi It won't autocreate authorities
19:08 cait so you will have to manually create and link them I think
19:10 rangi You probably should be doing that anyway :)
19:10 martian523 o ok
19:10 rangi Autocreate is a hack you kinda lose the value of authorities if you create new ones for every record
19:11 In theory you should get authorities from an authoritative source
19:11 Like library of congress
19:11 And link your bibliographic records to them
19:12 But I know in practice autocreate is useful
19:12 So we will fix it
19:16 martian523 thanks
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19:22 jcamins Hm, yeah, need to figure out what happened to 3.8.x.
19:22 What perplexes me is that I wrote the patch that added it against 3.8, then forward-ported it.
19:22 * McCloud[A] is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes
19:24 * magnuse upgrades to 3.8.7
19:25 cait magnuse: brave ;)
19:26 magnuse the problem you are talking about now is just to do with authorities, right?
19:26 rangi yeah, and it seemed to work fine, but we both may have not had autocreate switched on
19:26 magnuse: yep
19:27 jcamins rangi: no, I definitely had AutoCreateAuthorities turned on because that was where there was a bug.
19:27 rangi *nod* i was pretty sure I had too
19:27 im gonna git bisect to find it
19:27 will let you know
19:27 cait side effect from something else?
19:27 jcamins Thanks.
19:27 cait: yeah, I'm thinking maybe a merge error.
19:27 rangi thats my guess
19:34 magnuse wow, copying tinymce-files are a *huge* part of running "translate install"...
19:34 oleonard tinymce files are *huge* in general.
19:34 jcamins Ironic.
19:35 magnuse hehe
19:36 oleonard: do you have a plan for moving tinymce out of the language specific dirs?
19:36 oleonard Sounds like a good idea, but it wasn't on my radar before
19:36 cait magnuse: you got volunteered to open a bug :P
19:37 oleonard magnuse: Does tinymce handle localization correctly by default?
19:37 magnuse oleonard: don't know...
19:38 hm, i can't remember seeing strings from tinymce in the translations. cait: can you?
19:39 cait not really
19:39 magnuse when i choose norwegian i still see tooltips in tinymce in english
19:39 cait *sigh*
19:39 oleonard Yeah, it has a "langs" directory but it only includes en
19:39 magnuse ah
19:40 oleonard Maybe it's possible to use a configuration file like we do with the datepicker
19:40 * magnuse would think there are already translations for it
19:40 cait i think maybe we have to teach it to find out which language it#s supposed to show
19:40 maybe.
19:40 magnuse cait: good point!
19:40 oleonard ...which we could do if we don't mind including all possible language files for all installations
19:41 * magnuse gotta run
19:41 cait oleonard: also a good point
19:42 pastebot "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "TinyMCE language files" (41 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/288
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19:54 cait martian523++ :)
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19:55 rangi closing in
19:55 Bisecting: 15 revisions left to test after this (roughly 4 steps)
19:55 * cait cheers rangi on
19:55 jcamins Yay!
19:58 rangi its 216251e52467cfa3540f16c816ba94c5c0bd499d
19:59 jcamins Looks like an improper merge.
20:00 That's missing one of the two files I changed.
20:00 rangi interesting
20:00 wahanui i heard interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad
20:00 rangi your patch only has the one
20:01 http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]12540&action=edit
20:01 * rangi boggles, how in the hell did i get this to work
20:02 rangi anyway short answer is, we need a follow up with the changes to C4::AuthoritiesMarc
20:02 jcamins That one's for master.
20:02 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8823
20:02 huginn 04Bug 8823: normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , CatalogModuleRelink Creates Multiple Links between Bib and Auth record  ($9 RLIN)
20:02 jcamins Okay, the 3.8.x patch was never posted.
20:03 rangi ahh that will be the issue then :)
20:04 jcamins Ummm...
20:04 rangi could post that .. it could be jsut as a follow up for the one that is there, and ill pick it in
20:04 jcamins I think maybe the thing to do is a follow-up.
20:04 rangi yeah
20:04 with the C4::AuthoritiesMarc changes
20:04 is probably the safest
20:05 my bad, i had obviously tested against master then when i went to pick saw it said 3.8.x and went oh i tested on there, and picked it over, did a quick test (and in my 3.8.x one i didnt have autocreate on, i had to turn it on to trigger the bug) so it snuck through
20:07 (and we have no unit tests that would catch it)
20:07 ah well, good to have found it
20:07 jcamins Yeah, I should add unit tests for that.
20:08 cait :)
20:09 koha++
20:09 so much fun to see you too solving a bad bug
20:09 you 2 even...
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20:19 jcamins Patch uploaded.
20:20 rangi awesomesauce
20:21 can i get a sign off on the follow up for 9149 please
20:21 its pretty easy to test
20:26 jcamins Heh. Looks like the library cait located doesn't understand the difference between bibs and items.
20:27 cait haven't done a search actually, butnice newitems feature
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20:28 nengard: add note about manual_inv descriptions
20:30 rambutan http://opac.kalibindia.com/   <- dead links on left menu?
20:33 oleonard Bug 9172
20:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9172 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory
20:34 jcamins I remember when we hit 6000 or so.
20:36 oleonard Instead of saying what year we joined the Koha community, we should say what bug number we started at
20:36 "rangi, 0" :)
20:37 jcamins Heh.
20:37 cait lol
20:38 do we want to bet?
20:38 on the bug number to be reached for 3.12 release?
20:38 or bug number we will reach... you know what I mean :)
20:38 jcamins Actually, looks like I started around bug 4366.
20:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4366 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, COinS support for MARC21
20:38 cait not sure what my first one was
20:39 first bug
20:41 jcamins cait: I looked for the first one I reported.
20:42 cait hm ah, reporter and sort by bug number?
20:42 jcamins Yup.
20:43 cait oh cool
20:43 oleonard 394!
20:43 cait cait, 3333
20:43 ... and the status of my first bugs is all still new *sigh*
20:43 jcamins lol
20:43 bug 3333
20:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3333 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , item status for "not for loan" by item type / item is different
20:43 cait or it's my search
20:43 hm ok, in part my search, but it was 3333
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20:46 oleonard paul_p's number is 60
20:49 jcamins Does anyone else find that public lists have broken itemtype images?
20:49 In the OPAC.
20:50 oleonard I noticed that the other day jcamins
20:51 I hardly ever have item-level itemtypes off, so I forgot about it right away
20:51 * oleonard grumbles that every TinyMCE plugin has its own language file in it's own directory
20:53 oleonard Wow, making TinyMCE translatable for an arbitrary set of languages is going to be a pain in the butt
20:55 Perhaps we identify all the plugins Koha uses and build one big language config file for all of them...
20:56 jcamins oleonard: do we use a lot of TinyMCE plugins?
20:56 oleonard I'm not sure, that's what I'm trying to figure out right now
20:56 rangi only in the news isnt it?
20:56 jcamins That's what I thought.
20:57 oleonard We use TinyMCE in news, branches, and in editing help
20:58 'plugins : "table,save,advhr,advlink,iespell,​searchreplace,print,contextmenu",'
20:59 Not sure why iespell is in there
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21:03 cait in branches too
21:03 for the new branchnote thing I think
21:03 not sure it's the same editor - but we use a graphical one there, and for the help files
21:04 jcamins cait: yup, that's where oleonard found it. :)
21:04 oleonard I wonder if anyone ever uses the "save" button?
21:04 jcamins oleonard: is there a more-translatable jQuery plugin we should be switching to instead?
21:04 cait lol sorry, totally overread this
21:05 but hey, do I get full points now for answering the question? :)
21:05 jcamins lol
21:05 Of course.
21:05 cait yay :)
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21:07 * wizzyrea waves
21:09 cait hi wizzyrea :)
21:10 jcamins Hello.
21:10 I settled on "Table crepes," with the recipe for making it from scratch labelled "For another roll."
21:11 * jcamins cracks himself up sometimes.
21:14 chris_n jcamins is on a roll today
21:14 * chris_n heads home
21:14 rangi heh
21:15 oleonard Hm, it's not clear that one /can/ load custom translations to TinyMCE from a config file...
21:18 jcamins oleonard: would something like jWYSIWYG be better?
21:20 oleonard Don't know, but that did look interesting.
21:20 * oleonard has to leave, more wysiwygging tomorrow I guess
21:20 jcamins oleonard: oh, that reminds me. I have a bug to report on the floating save button in the syspref editor.
21:21 You're welcome. :)
21:21 * oleonard escapes
21:22 wizzyrea ahh! floating save button in the syspref editor
21:22 * wizzyrea sends oleonard lots of chocolate to get that working
21:22 wizzyrea it's the little things :P
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21:25 eythian hi
21:25 cait morning eythian
21:25 eythian it is rather
21:29 jcamins libsysguy: changing the cataloging module's Javascript from custom disaster to jQuery required only a small patch?!?
21:29 libsysguy hehe
21:29 well somebody already integrated jquery
21:29 * libsysguy tips his hat to oleonard
21:29 libsysguy and somebody removed a whole crapton of js from that file
21:29 idk where it went
21:30 but I was cursing having to rebase my patch
21:30 jcamins It's in a separate JS file so that the authority editor and bibliographic editor don't diverge again.
21:30 libsysguy well that makes sense
21:32 I would have left it at large but I didn't want anyone to think I was compensating for something
21:32 jcamins lol
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21:37 * cait waves to libsysguy
21:37 cait where have you been hiding? :)
21:38 rangi hi libsysguy
21:38 hi hankbank
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22:41 jcamins @later tell talljoy There was another bug to do with spaces in register types in the DOM configuration file. Search for ": [nwp]" in biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl and remove the space if you find it. The fix was post 3.8.4.
22:41 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
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23:07 * oleonard: Bug 8614 [3.8.x] Icon for scores on OPAC detail page broken
23:07 * oleonard: Bug 9106 - Filtering list of uncertain price list by owner empties order information
23:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8614 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Icon for scores on OPAC detail page broken
23:07 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9106 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Filtering list of uncertain price list by owner empties order information
23:07 jenkins_koha Starting build #238 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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23:45 oleonard: Bug 9137 - Focus when editing/adding new itemtypes/authorised values
23:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9137 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Focus when editing/adding new itemtypes/authorised values
23:46 drojf so the ccsr theme is only available for english?
23:47 jcamins drojf: apparently fredericd did not put the PO files on translate.koha-community.org?
23:47 * francharb waves #koha good bye
23:52 drojf i think there are more problems with non-english languages. i also get "NetworkError: 404 Not Found - http://192.168.56.12/opac-tmpl[…]g/images/list.gif", same for cart.gif. happens with the german version, not the english one
23:55 jcamins drojf: I think you need to update your translations.
23:56 I thought there had been a patch in which those images were eliminated.
23:57 Yes, those files don't exist.
23:57 drojf yes they should be taken from a sprite
23:58 looks like i really did not update the translation files then

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