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| 00:09 | mveron | Oh. it's 2 a.m. and I hav to get out early. Will do some more translating tomorrow... |
| 00:09 | Good night #koha | |
| 00:10 | jcamins | mveron++ |
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| 01:37 | drojf | mveron++ |
| 01:37 | being_awake-- | |
| 03:02 | eythian | jcamins_away: 3.6.10 packages uploading now |
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| 04:10 | eythian | # Failed test 'use Koha::SearchEngine;' |
| 04:10 | # at t/00-load.t line 48. | |
| 04:10 | # Tried to use 'Koha::SearchEngine'. | |
| 04:10 | # Error: Can't locate Moose.pm | |
| 04:10 | uh oh | |
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| 04:19 | libsysguy | being_awake-- |
| 04:27 | rangi | @quote random |
| 04:27 | huginn | rangi: Quote #161: "* wizzyrea prefers pricks" (added by kf at 02:18 PM, October 18, 2011) |
| 04:27 | rangi | Wtf |
| 04:28 | eythian | heh |
| 04:29 | darn it, master won't build without moose. | |
| 04:46 | libsysguy | rangi maybe wizzyrea meant the umlaut |
| 04:46 | moose is required? since when? | |
| 04:49 | eythian | libsysguy: since Koha::SearchEngine was put in. |
| 04:51 | libsysguy | I thought rangi swore till his dying day that Moose would never make it in :p |
| 04:52 | eythian | I tend to agree, but it's there. |
| 04:52 | It also concerns me that no one is testing it in a clean environment. | |
| 04:52 | libsysguy | I was wondering about that |
| 04:52 | eythian | so they don't notice when dependencies are missing. |
| 04:52 | libsysguy | I thought jcamins was testing it at some point |
| 04:53 | and there was a module he needed from cpan | |
| 04:53 | eythian | (the package build process makes a chroot and ensures that only the stuff listed as a dependency is installed) |
| 04:54 | libsysguy | well that is certainly nice for package users |
| 04:54 | eythian | so tests pass or fail based on that. |
| 04:55 | it's not nice for me when I have to add dependencies because the people who were supposed to didn't :) | |
| 04:55 | * libsysguy | zips his lips |
| 04:55 | eythian | :) |
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| 04:58 | rangi | Jcamins tested 3.6.x in clean |
| 05:00 | We both gave up trying to get the solr stuff working with the debian packaged version of moose | |
| 05:01 | Course neither of us are rm for 3.10 | |
| 05:02 | libsysguy | rangi 3.14 |
| 05:02 | rangi for 3.14 | |
| 05:02 | kind of has a ring to it | |
| 05:02 | rangi | Like hell |
| 05:03 | libsysguy | I wish it wasn't the dead of night so I could laugh harder |
| 05:04 | wajasu | lol |
| 05:06 | eythian | rangi for pi! |
| 05:06 | Oh look, another test requiring the db | |
| 05:06 | * eythian | grumbles |
| 05:08 | wajasu | this moose showing up is surprising to me. |
| 05:09 | eythian | odd, I can't find what class it is that's the problem here. |
| 05:09 | libsysguy | really wajasu? |
| 05:10 | wajasu | well, i thougth i remember jcamins saying it might be too heavyweight. |
| 05:11 | eythian | it is, it shouldn't be there. |
| 05:11 | It will slow pageloads on a CGI setup quite a bit apparently | |
| 05:11 | wajasu | did you run Search.t |
| 05:12 | eythian | who? |
| 05:13 | wajasu | you. does a test use moose? or did you find it elsewhere? |
| 05:13 | eythian | if me, no. It's in db_dependent, which is skipped by default. |
| 05:13 | Oh | |
| 05:13 | No, the 00-load function caught it | |
| 05:13 | s/function/test/ | |
| 05:14 | it tried to load Koha::SearchEngine, which failed due to no moose | |
| 05:15 | oddly, the stuff that's failing now is jcamins_away's code, which shouldn't have this issue. | |
| 05:18 | wajasu | i was hoping to get lxc contianers running, so the build server would catch this stuff. well someday, |
| 05:18 | * magnuse | shouts KIA ORA at the top of his lungs |
| 05:19 | wajasu | oh. wait. |
| 05:19 | eythian | funny, it came out as kai øra |
| 05:20 | magnuse | :-) |
| 05:21 | wajasu | i seem to recal that jcamins said somehting about something using some dependency, if you have it. could the Moose be optional? |
| 05:21 | eythian | I don't know |
| 05:22 | assuming that Koha::SearchEngine is used somewhere, it will require Moose. | |
| 05:23 | I cannot see why this would end up loading C4/Context. | |
| 05:23 | very confusing | |
| 05:23 | rangi | its only used if you have solr enabled in your sysprefs |
| 05:26 | eythian | ahh |
| 05:26 | OK, not it makes sense why that test needs the database. | |
| 05:26 | *now | |
| 05:33 | magnuse | on this day in 2010: second leg of The Road Trip, from Rotorua to Wellington - happy times! |
| 05:43 | eythian | that was a while ago now |
| 05:43 | magnuse | eythian++ |
| 05:43 | * magnuse | just did a very smooth upgrade from 3.8.5 to 3.8.6 |
| 05:43 | eythian | awesome :) |
| 05:46 | magnuse | it's kind of cool to send a collective email to customers that says "upgrade starts now", and then 5 minutes later "upgrade done" :-) |
| 05:46 | eythian | heh yeah :) |
| 05:47 | magnuse | and getting the odd reply of "that was quick" |
| 05:48 | eythian | even better :) |
| 05:49 | magnuse | brings back that first kick of realizing how awesome the packages are :-) |
| 05:50 | eythian | yay, all tests passed. Now I should be able to make a build of master. |
| 05:50 | http://i.imgur.com/JMkd8.jpg?1 <-- a Delorean just left Tawa at 88mph | |
| 05:51 | magnuse | :-) |
| 05:51 | hard to tell if it is the rails or the fence burning? | |
| 05:51 | eythian | not sure |
| 05:52 | rails | |
| 05:52 | otherwise the person standing beside it is a) tiny and b) standing on the fence | |
| 05:53 | magnuse | :-) |
| 05:53 | a tiny person standing on a burning fence - that may be commonplace in nz for all i know ;-) | |
| 05:54 | eythian | You're thinking of Ireland perhaps |
| 05:56 | magnuse | ah, maybe |
| 05:56 | leprechauns? | |
| 05:56 | eythian | yeah |
| 06:03 | Result: PASS | |
| 06:03 | Finally! | |
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| 06:06 | magnuse | w00t! |
| 06:07 | eythian | hmm, there's one more package than I expected |
| 06:07 | oh, no. | |
| 06:07 | That's OK | |
| 06:07 | there's now 'koha-deps' and 'koha-perldeps' | |
| 06:08 | magnuse | ah, to make installing the dependencies easier? |
| 06:08 | eythian | jup |
| 06:09 | squeeze-dev|main|i386: koha 3.9-1~git+20121024185600.56af4ece | |
| 06:09 | squeeze-dev|main|i386: koha-common 3.9-1~git+20121024185600.56af4ece | |
| 06:09 | squeeze-dev|main|i386: koha-deps 3.9-1~git+20121024185600.56af4ece | |
| 06:09 | squeeze-dev|main|i386: koha-perldeps 3.9-1~git+20121024185600.56af4ece | |
| 06:09 | yay! | |
| 06:09 | * eythian | uploads |
| 06:10 | magnuse | but only for the master packages? |
| 06:10 | eythian | yeah |
| 06:10 | it's designed to be used to make development easier | |
| 06:10 | also, it's only in master | |
| 06:11 | magnuse | ah, ok |
| 06:11 | does anyone ever use the koha package? | |
| 06:11 | eythian | I hope not |
| 06:11 | I'd really like to get it fixed up some time, providing a default install. | |
| 06:12 | But there's a fair bit to do before that'll work. | |
| 06:12 | magnuse | ah, ok |
| 06:12 | rangi | yep, thats pretty much the last bit that needs to be done before we can get a DD to sponsor it for inclusion in debian proper |
| 06:13 | eythian | also double checking that all our deps are licensed. |
| 06:13 | rangi | yep |
| 06:13 | magnuse | any reason why anyone would want to use that compared to using koha-common and just adding one instance? |
| 06:13 | eythian | magnuse: just making it easier, really |
| 06:13 | rangi | magnuse: thats essentially what it would do |
| 06:13 | eythian | First I'd like to have an overhaul of debconf related things, so that all the things you have to put in koha-sites are asked on installation, for example. |
| 06:14 | rangi | *nod* |
| 06:14 | magnuse | ooh, that would be cool |
| 06:14 | eythian | need to figure out how to make it backwards compatible, too. |
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| 06:36 | wikkit | hello everyone , I am a new user for koha system , please could you tell me how to make control number ? |
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| 06:36 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:36 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:47 | rebazkoya | hello , please how to make control number for shelving? |
| 06:48 | emmy | hey everyone |
| 06:48 | wahanui | hmmm... everyone is doin' the hot new dance the Cracked Out Kitty Tail Shiver |
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| 07:08 | lds | hello |
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| 08:48 | gerundio | good morning all |
| 08:48 | are the MARC Framework fields translated via the po files? | |
| 08:53 | gaetan_B | gerundio: no, i think it's a specific sql file |
| 08:54 | gerundio | hmm, ok |
| 08:54 | I see that our MARK frameworks are all in Portuguese | |
| 08:54 | gaetan_B | gerundio: look in src/installer/data/mysql |
| 08:54 | gerundio | and I'm getting this unexpecteded behavior |
| 08:55 | gaetan_B | for you i guess it will be pl-PL |
| 08:55 | gerundio | I've exported them from my colleague's dev koha setup |
| 08:55 | pt-PT :p | |
| 08:55 | Portugal != Poland | |
| 08:56 | and after I imported it in my own koha installation, the "Default framework" is showing some incomplete fields | |
| 08:56 | gaetan_B | ah right, then it means i don't have it on my install, i don't know where your file would come from |
| 08:56 | maybe there is no such file for portuguese in the distribution yet | |
| 08:57 | gerundio: hmm i remember struggling quite a lot with the import tool a few months back | |
| 08:58 | i think it hade to do with character encoding, but i'm not too sure. I'm afraid i won't be able to help much here... | |
| 08:58 | gerundio | the weird thing is that it only happens for field names with punctuation |
| 08:59 | for instance I have this field for "Língua do documento", which stands for "Document language" | |
| 08:59 | after the import I only get "L" | |
| 09:00 | everything after the 1st accentuated character is deleted | |
| 09:02 | gaetan_B, has this ever happened to you? | |
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| 09:02 | gaetan_B | gerundio: yes this is exactly what i had, which was due to encoding problems |
| 09:03 | try to see which encoding is the file you're trying to import | |
| 09:03 | and convert it to utf-8 | |
| 09:03 | gerundio | hmm, the weirdest part is it only happens for the Default MARC framework |
| 09:09 | I converted it to utf-8 and the result was far from the expected | |
| 09:09 | the framework remained empty | |
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| 09:18 | Maxie2012 | Hi! |
| 09:21 | Am planning to sign up with a server hosting service and need to pick a server plan (am considering linode.com as recommended by you guys!). | |
| 09:22 | magnuse | Maxie2012: just for testing or for real use? |
| 09:23 | Maxie2012 | It needs to be sufficient for me to install the latest version of Koha with Perl, Apache etc. - I am looking to test Koha and do some customisation work on it |
| 09:24 | magnuse | i would try the smallest size then, you can resize it later if that is too small |
| 09:24 | unless you don't have to worry about the money, of course :-) | |
| 09:24 | Maxie2012 | ...basically want to setup a development/test environment AND a production environment |
| 09:24 | money is always a worry....:( | |
| 09:25 | magnuse | have you considered using e.g. virtualbox for dev/testing? |
| 09:25 | then you would have a virtual machine running inside your real machine, for free | |
| 09:26 | and you could mess around with it as much as you want and just wipe it and start fresh | |
| 09:26 | drojf | +1 for testing locally with virtual machines. you don't need to pay a server for that |
| 09:26 | and good day #koha | |
| 09:27 | magnuse | hiya drojf |
| 09:27 | Maxie2012 | meaning? Sorry...I'm really, really new to working in a web environment, know extremely little about infrastructure and what more to say Koha (except for what I saw in the demo)... |
| 09:28 | magnuse | Maxie2012: https://www.virtualbox.org/ |
| 09:28 | if you install that you can run "virtual machines" on your computer - you can log in to them much the same way you can with a server | |
| 09:28 | it will only be available to you, though | |
| 09:29 | Maxie2012 | the thing is I don't have a Linux server right now & I'm not keen to try and install Linux into my Window 7 desktop... |
| 09:29 | magnuse | virtualbox makes that easy and painless :-) |
| 09:29 | Maxie2012 | ...unless you think someone who is a Linux dummy could manage it.....? |
| 09:30 | drojf | Maxie2012: the point is, you dont need to |
| 09:30 | you run linux in the virtual machine on top of whatever operating system you use | |
| 09:30 | magnuse | well, if you do not have much experience with linux i would definitely recommend starting out with virtualbox |
| 09:31 | drojf | it does not mess up your windows 7 in any way |
| 09:31 | magnuse | having some experience with linux before you start operating a publicly avialable serverer is good :-) |
| 09:31 | you install virtualbox and then you can run linux "inside" virtualbox | |
| 09:31 | Maxie2012 | ok...so how/where do I start? |
| 09:32 | magnuse | so anything you do in linux will not affect windows, because virtualbox acts as a "protective layer" between them |
| 09:32 | https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads | |
| 09:33 | the one that says "VirtualBox 4.2.2 for Windows hosts" | |
| 09:34 | gerundio | then just choose a Linux distribution to go with it |
| 09:34 | what are you guys recommending, debian? | |
| 09:34 | magnuse | definitely debian, yes |
| 09:34 | Maxie2012 | so I install VirtualBox first and then it installs the Debian Squeeze? |
| 09:35 | gerundio | you have to do it |
| 09:35 | magnuse | you have to download debian and run through a wizard in virtualbox to install it inside virtualbox |
| 09:35 | gerundio | I couldn't find any tutorial for installing debian, but here's one for ubuntu |
| 09:35 | http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/virtualbox | |
| 09:36 | just replace ubuntu for debian and I think you'll manage | |
| 09:36 | the process should be pretty straight forward | |
| 09:38 | Maxie2012 | oh I see... |
| 09:39 | gerundio | it can be a little overwhelming :) |
| 09:39 | gaetan_B, any additional ideas regarding that MARC framework import/export issue? | |
| 09:40 | gaetan_B | gerundio: i'm in a meeting sorry |
| 09:40 | Maxie2012 | yes...so you reckon even for someone who knows NOTHING about Linux or working with setting up operating systems should be able to handle this right....? |
| 09:40 | gerundio | gaetan_B, no problem :) |
| 09:40 | drojf | Maxie2012: as far as you are willing to learn… :) |
| 09:41 | gerundio | Maxie2012, drojf is right... it all depends on how far you're willing to go to get the necessary skills |
| 09:41 | we've all been there :D | |
| 09:42 | drojf | the biggest part of it is the koha installation itself which is fairly easy with packages. the networking stuff may be the biggest problem before |
| 09:42 | Maxie2012 | SURE! I'm definitely willing to learn....problem is I have timelines to meet....as do all of you out there I'm sure... |
| 09:44 | ...and I guess I worry that I'm getting into something bigger than I can handle...! | |
| 09:46 | I also wanted to check (AGAIN!) where I can download the Koha packages for the different versions of Linux? | |
| 09:49 | drojf | Maxie2012: you do that from within debian |
| 09:49 | it has a package managing system for your software | |
| 09:49 | to install and update stuff. you will never crawl webpages manually to download new versions and install by hand as you may be used from windows | |
| 09:50 | packages? | |
| 09:50 | wahanui | packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 09:50 | drojf | ^^ have a look at that |
| 09:50 | gerundio | even better: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze |
| 09:50 | right, drojf? | |
| 09:50 | drojf | gerundio: mine forwards to yours :) |
| 09:50 | gerundio | lolol |
| 09:50 | well played | |
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| 09:53 | Maxie2012 | so once I have my virtualbox installed, I need to go into the virtualbox and then download the Koha and install it....did I get that right? |
| 09:54 | drojf | Maxie2012: 1) install virtualbox itself 2) install debian in a virtual machine in debian 3) check the link we just gave you for installation of koha |
| 09:54 | vfernandes | hi guys |
| 09:54 | drojf | narf. point 2) install debian in a virtual machine in virtualbox |
| 09:54 | vfernandes | i'm having one problem with Koha user permissions |
| 09:54 | gerundio | hi vfernandes |
| 09:55 | vfernandes | I have a user that has permissions to access the staff client but it's always saying "Unauthorized user" |
| 09:55 | Maxie2012 | ok, think I got it |
| 09:56 | vfernandes | even if I put "superlibrarian" permissions the user can't enter |
| 09:56 | what's wrong :/ | |
| 09:56 | Maxie2012 | Will give it it a go and will DEFINITELY need to come back for more assistance! |
| 09:57 | gerundio | vfernandes, which koha version are you using? |
| 09:57 | I just did the exact same thing in 3.8 and everything worked as expected | |
| 09:57 | vfernandes | 3.2.6 but it's working for another users |
| 09:59 | now it's working | |
| 09:59 | drojf | vfernandes: that user is not the database user you are only supposed to use for updates by any chance? |
| 10:01 | nevermind i was not reading closely. my question does not make sense :) | |
| 10:04 | vfernandes | oh my god... now it works |
| 10:06 | drojf | maybe the permissions just had to sink in :) |
| 10:06 | gerundio | I vote on jet lag |
| 10:06 | drojf | lol |
| 10:07 | gerundio | from the trip client to server and back :D |
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| 10:20 | gerundio | drojf, I don't know if you were here when I discussed a MARC framework import/export issue I'm experiencing |
| 10:21 | have you ever had problems with this koha feature? | |
| 10:21 | drojf | i don't think so. what is your problem? |
| 10:25 | gerundio | I've exported the default MARK framework from a koha 3.8 setup to a CVS file and imported it back into another koha 3.8 installation |
| 10:25 | the field names are in Portuguese, which means that a lot of them have ponctuation | |
| 10:26 | for instance I have this field for "Língua do documento", which stands for "Document language" | |
| 10:26 | after the import I only get "L" | |
| 10:26 | everything after the 1st accentuated character is deleted | |
| 10:26 | wahanui | i already had it that way, gerundio. |
| 10:26 | gerundio | wahanui, how did you solve it? |
| 10:26 | wahanui | gerundio: wish i knew |
| 10:26 | drojf | lol |
| 10:27 | wahanui is a bot | |
| 10:27 | gerundio | lolol |
| 10:27 | the weirdest part of it is that this only happens for the default framework | |
| 10:27 | drojf | looks like some encoding problem. have you tried exporting as sql? |
| 10:28 | gerundio | I've tried converting the file to utf-8 and import in afterwards |
| 10:28 | that resulted in an empty framework | |
| 10:29 | drojf | i vaguely remember that i used sql because i was unsatisfied with csv. don't remember why |
| 10:29 | gerundio | does the import feature work with SQL too? |
| 10:29 | drojf | or was it the other way round? lol. sorry for spreading disinformation, really not sure |
| 10:29 | gerundio | it mentions "Spreadsheet file" |
| 10:29 | drojf | i think it doesnt |
| 10:30 | gerundio | both the CSV and the SQL file seem to have the correct info |
| 10:31 | drojf | i just remembered that. and i think i actually had problems with the sql because it did not include everything i would have needed to insert it properly into the db. but i'm really not sure, it was quite some time ago. i think i did not takes notes about that |
| 10:31 | no encoding issues in any way | |
| 10:31 | but i am not sure if replacing the default framework is really supported. everything else relies on that | |
| 10:33 | gerundio | nice to know about that |
| 10:34 | I'm walking on quicksands here | |
| 10:37 | drojf | interesting question actually if it is supported. maybe one of the wise old koha people can answer that. |
| 10:37 | also, why would you want to import the default framework anyway? | |
| 10:37 | gerundio | looks like wise old koha people are still not around |
| 10:37 | drojf, because my colleague changed it too | |
| 10:38 | drojf | do not change the default framework |
| 10:38 | gerundio | I'm walking on his footsteps |
| 10:38 | cait | drojf: yes, but if it#s too late... :) |
| 10:38 | drojf | make a copy, change that |
| 10:38 | cait | gerundio: it should be possible to delete and recreate it from the sql |
| 10:38 | drojf | cait: its not for tnhe new installation :) |
| 10:38 | cait | i did it in he past when I wanted to add german translations |
| 10:39 | I did it in our production systems too - but as we are not modifying the frameworks much at all, it was probably safer | |
| 10:39 | gerundio | he built this koha setup with some amount of customization... with manual SQL injection and source code changes along the way |
| 10:39 | drojf | i'm actually not really sure if our default framework was changed ;) |
| 10:40 | gerundio: bad. problems all around | |
| 10:40 | as you see ;) | |
| 10:40 | cait: how is that vacation business going? :) | |
| 10:41 | cait | quite nicely so far :) |
| 10:41 | gerundio | I'm now working to build our production environment, but my skills are mostly technical, I don't really know the library language |
| 10:41 | all this is new for me | |
| 10:42 | drojf | gerundio: you will get used to it :) |
| 10:42 | even MARC. to a certain point :D | |
| 10:43 | gerundio | I'm know seeing a demo koha setup for a fellow Portuguese library |
| 10:43 | and they changed the default framework too | |
| 10:46 | to revert it back to the original value I would only have to delete every record in 'marc_tag_structure' and 'marc_subfield_structure' tables whose 'frameworkcode' value = '' | |
| 10:46 | and then import "installer/data/mysql/en/marcflavour/unimarc/mandatory/unimarc_framework_DEFAULT.sql" back, right? | |
| 10:48 | btw, fyi, the SQL import on the default framework works as expected | |
| 10:49 | we really need to ear from the koha elders about this default framework spreadsheet import :| | |
| 10:50 | cait | I don't know if the elders have an answer for you about this |
| 10:50 | the spreadsheet import is not an old feature | |
| 10:50 | it might be that you just have to test and compare results | |
| 10:50 | and then document somewhere, if there are problems | |
| 10:51 | or if it works, so the next person doesn't have to figure out on their own | |
| 10:51 | drojf | is there a list of all third party stuff available in koha and other potentionally privacy invasive features? |
| 10:53 | mtj | gerundio, probably best to email your question to the koha-devel list |
| 10:54 | magnuse | drojf: have a look at the sysprefs? |
| 10:55 | drojf: specifically the "Enhanced content" section | |
| 10:55 | cait | drojf: hm not that I know of - what are you thinking about? the enhanced content, reading lists and stuff like that? |
| 10:55 | drojf | magnuse: yes that is the backup plan |
| 10:56 | cait: yes, i guess most is in enhanced content, but there may be more. i guess i will go through all sysprefs then | |
| 10:56 | cait | yeah |
| 10:57 | showing the name of the reviewer is another i thnk | |
| 10:57 | drojf | i wonder how much enthusiasm there will be for what i will be proposing ;) |
| 10:57 | cait | then reading lists, opac privacy settings |
| 10:57 | i don't know what you will propose, but I fear it has to do with german privacy laws | |
| 10:57 | but I will be grateful if I don't have to be the one :) | |
| 10:58 | magnuse | hehe |
| 10:58 | gaetan_B | i have a library here telling me that the AWS terms of use have changed some months ago and that only private companies are now allowed to use the service, meaning that libraries are not allowed anymore to fetch cover images on the fly using AWS, have you heard this before ? |
| 10:58 | i have a hard time believing it and will probably get in touch with amazon to figure this out, but thought i'd ask here first | |
| 10:59 | drojf | it will not have to do with german privacy laws specifically, more like what i would call fairness and transparency towards your patrons. but it will probably look pretty german ;) |
| 10:59 | cait | they have changed something, that was the reason all the other features have been removed |
| 10:59 | I am not sure about covers - I think we kept that, but not sure about the terms | |
| 10:59 | drojf: someone has to spoil the fun... better it not being me :P | |
| 11:00 | drojf | lol |
| 11:00 | magnuse | bug 8679 |
| 11:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8679 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove usage of Amazon API |
| 11:01 | drojf | ah yes i remember the amazon stuff vanishing from the files while i was working on the html5 audio video stuff |
| 11:02 | gerundio | is there any form to import authorized values in koha? |
| 11:02 | drojf | i don't think so |
| 11:03 | magnuse | gerundio: i've never seen one |
| 11:03 | gerundio | btw, just had the urge to google for "authorised vs authorized" |
| 11:04 | drojf | googlefight.com ? one is AE and the other BE suppose |
| 11:04 | cait | be vs. ae |
| 11:04 | british english vs american english I think | |
| 11:04 | gerundio | yeap |
| 11:04 | drojf | well, cutting them out of the old db and injecting them into the new one of course. in case you make up an sql query for that you are already half done with developing an enhancement patch for this ;) |
| 11:06 | gerundio | so I assume the person responsible for creating the DB table is British and the one responsible for the admin UI is American :D |
| 11:07 | drojf, manual SQL injection is always a no no for me | |
| 11:07 | but I guess I don't really have a choice on this one | |
| 11:08 | drojf | well, recreate the authorized values manually is always possible |
| 11:08 | depending on how many you have that may take some time though | |
| 11:08 | gerundio | I have nearly 900 records |
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| 11:09 | gerundio | so I think I'll strike manual insertion from the options |
| 11:09 | btw, the default koha installation has 2 values on that table for a YES_NO category | |
| 11:09 | do those terms get translated in OPAC? | |
| 11:10 | drojf | gerundio: 900 bibliographic records? or 900 authorized values? |
| 11:11 | cait | gerundio: it shouuld be ok to insert with sql |
| 11:11 | only be careful with some of them like LOST | |
| 11:11 | because the values there have special meaning in the program | |
| 11:12 | but CCODE, LOC, SUGGEST | |
| 11:12 | stuff like that shoudl be no problem at all | |
| 11:13 | drojf | gerundio: you would have to manually insert the authorized values as such in the authorized values settings before importing your biblio data. you would not have to set the values up for each record again |
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| 11:14 | magnuse | hiya mtompset |
| 11:15 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 11:15 | Greetings, magnuse. | |
| 11:25 | mtj | hi folks |
| 11:25 | hey magnuse , what do you know about rdf? | |
| 11:26 | magnuse | mtj: a bit |
| 11:26 | :-) | |
| 11:27 | mtj | ive just re-read this.. -> http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Linked_Data_RFC |
| 11:27 | magnuse | anything special you are looking for? |
| 11:28 | yeah, lots of half baked ideas | |
| 11:28 | mtompset | Greetings, mtj. |
| 11:28 | mtj | well…. im looking about for a rdf2marc crosswalk |
| 11:28 | magnuse | not the other way around?!? |
| 11:28 | mtj | yep :) |
| 11:28 | heya mtompset :) | |
| 11:29 | mtompset | Triple checking the git install instructions. |
| 11:29 | magnuse | i never heard of one, and i hope noone wastes energy on it (at least until i hear of a use case for it) :-) |
| 11:29 | mtj | everyone wants to go marc->rdf, no one wants to go the other way :p |
| 11:29 | i have a good use case, i think | |
| 11:29 | * magnuse | is all ears |
| 11:30 | mtompset | That would be pretty ugly, being all ears. ;) |
| 11:30 | mtj | … getting openlibrary.org records into a koha |
| 11:31 | magnuse | well, when we build SemantiKoha, we can do that |
| 11:31 | :-) | |
| 11:31 | mtj | the better way to do that would be to mod koha to import actual RDF records (of course) |
| 11:31 | magnuse | get the records into triplestore |
| 11:31 | mtompset | Some data conversions are not reversible (in the general case) |
| 11:31 | mtj | but until then… im looking for a quick/dirty solution |
| 11:33 | magnuse | looks like they have some kind of json too - maybe that would be easier than converting the rdf? |
| 11:33 | mtj | and that quick/dirty solution would prolly be some rdf2marc conversion, then just import the bib as marc |
| 11:35 | hmm, i think rdf might be a little easier that the json format | |
| 11:35 | more documented, and more rdf tools about | |
| 11:36 | magnuse | hm, yeah, maybe |
| 11:36 | mtj | i think i might ask the Q on code4lib and ol-tech before i start |
| 11:36 | * magnuse | admires mtj for his courage |
| 11:37 | mtompset | From the searching I did, find Rochelle from Project Gutenburg. :) |
| 11:37 | Of courtse, that was 7 years ago. | |
| 11:38 | Ah, there... http://rochellejustrochelle.typepad.com/copilot/ | |
| 11:38 | So, perhaps that person might be able to help you, mtj. :) | |
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| 11:48 | mtj | magnus_lunch, good news, it looks pretty easy for openlibrary stuff , specifically |
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| 11:49 | mtj | and the json format looks quite familar too |
| 12:06 | magnuse | mtj: yay! |
| 12:14 | mtompset | My librarian colleague has generated the most interesting of errors. |
| 12:14 | While adding items... she changes the branch. | |
| 12:15 | And when it tries to go back to the original page, it blows up big time. | |
| 12:18 | magnuse | sounds like fun! |
| 12:19 | cait | mtompset: hmm what do you mean by blow up? |
| 12:19 | some kind of permission problem? or a perl problem? | |
| 12:19 | drojf | sounds like advanced user error creativity |
| 12:20 | mtompset | software error contact the webadmin. |
| 12:20 | cait | oh ouch |
| 12:20 | is there something useful in the logs? | |
| 12:21 | mtompset | Well, additem.pl requires some parameters, I believe, and the selectbranchprinter.pl switches back without parameters, as far as I know. I haven't looked very far into it. |
| 12:22 | [Wed Oct 24 09:56:50 2012] [error] [client 192.168.100.2] [Wed Oct 24 09:56:50 2012] additem.pl: Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2438. | |
| 12:23 | Interesting this is... | |
| 12:23 | thing is... | |
| 12:23 | drojf | that privacy thing looks like more work than i thought. koha has a horrible lot of third party options :/ but how could i resist an idea that spontaneously manifested between 2 and 4 last night? |
| 12:24 | mtompset | If I open another tab, make the change, and then tweak the current record, it fixes on the next one. |
| 12:24 | So, I was thinking that perhaps selectbranchprinter.pl should be a pop-up windows like the help. | |
| 12:24 | drojf: what idea is that? | |
| 12:25 | And yes, drojf, it is advanced user error creativity. A user that knows what she is generally doing, doing something in the moment which triggers a nice kaboom. | |
| 12:26 | drojf | mtompset: basically full disclosure to your patrons of all tracking and third party stuff your library uses. and opt-out options would be cool too |
| 12:26 | mtompset | That sounds like a nightmare to code, but useful to have. |
| 12:27 | It would also get worse as dependencies are added/removed. | |
| 12:27 | wouldn't it? | |
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| 12:30 | drojf | i dont see why. check for relevant sysprefs, display notice for each one that is enabled on one central opac page. in a perfect world opt out option should be mandatory for all new additions of third party stuff. i assume i will annoy a few people once i write up what i think ;) |
| 12:30 | magnuse | drojf: that would be an awesome feature |
| 12:34 | drojf | magnuse: i wonder how happy libraries will be about it. especially as i would strongly suggest that to be available by default, out of respect to patrons (also, laws in some regions of the world). but i think it would not hurt for library stuff to be aware of what privacy issues are implied by use of third party services too |
| 12:34 | s/library stuff/library staff | |
| 12:35 | magnuse | drojf: yeah, it would be excellent and awesome! |
| 12:38 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 12:40 | drojf | hi tcohen |
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| 12:47 | magnuse | hiya druthb |
| 12:47 | druthb | Hi, magnuse! :D |
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| 12:55 | magnuse | i'm wondering... when i tested the new ccsr theme i had to follow the steps here: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ug.cgi?id=8633#c5 to get tit to work for nb-NO - does that mean we need to have *-opac-ccsr.po files in pootle? |
| 12:55 | huginn | 04Bug 8633: normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , Translate script hardcoded to prog template |
| 12:56 | mtompset | Greetings, tcohen druthb oleonard. :) |
| 12:56 | * oleonard | fails to sneak in unnoticed |
| 12:56 | magnuse | maybe someone like fredericd, druthb or jcamins_away would know for sure? |
| 12:56 | druthb | Seems so, magnuse. |
| 12:57 | cait | hi oleonard :) |
| 12:57 | hi druthb :) | |
| 12:57 | mtompset | Oh, and hi, cait. :) |
| 12:57 | cait | hi mtompset - sorry :) |
| 12:57 | druthb | Hi, oleonard and mtompset and cait. :D |
| 12:58 | cait | druthb: that's not good |
| 12:58 | a separate file | |
| 12:58 | it will mean lots of doubled up work because the strings are so similar to normal opac template files | |
| 12:58 | druthb | Yet Another Translation File. I agree, that's really not too wonderful. |
| 12:58 | cait | some separate files would make sense |
| 12:58 | like stripping out helpf ils | |
| 12:58 | files | |
| 12:58 | or marc files | |
| 12:59 | but that seems like doubled up strings to me - you will have to translate smae things twice i guess | |
| 12:59 | magnuse | looks like it then... |
| 12:59 | pastebot | "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Anyone else get an email like this from iDreambooks?" (162 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/248 |
| 12:59 | mtompset | Wouldn't it be a matter of just copying to a new name? (I'm not familiar with the translation part of koha) |
| 12:59 | druthb | I might be able to figure a way around that, at least tentatively. What if there was a script to take the untranslated strings in the ccsr file, and look in the matching opac file, and copy the ones that are translated? That'd save some work. |
| 13:00 | cait | mtompset: it's manual work |
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| 13:00 | cait | druthb: I think ideal would be if the strings ended up in the same file |
| 13:00 | maybe I am worng | |
| 13:00 | might be worth asking the list | |
| 13:01 | magnuse | oleonard: nope |
| 13:01 | druthb | cait++ |
| 13:01 | cait | but the way it is now means we will get no translations for the new template for 3.10 |
| 13:01 | because... it's not on pootle | |
| 13:01 | at all | |
| 13:01 | magnuse | and that is... bad |
| 13:02 | Oak | @wunder texas |
| 13:02 | huginn | Oak: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 13:02 | Oak | @wunder dc |
| 13:02 | huginn | Oak: The current temperature in Eckington Pl, NE, Washington, District of Columbia is 17.5°C (9:02 AM EDT on October 24, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Rising). |
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| 13:03 | druthb | One of the things I'd like very much to talk to some of the key players in the translation arena about is whether or not there is *some way* to cut down the monumental size of the task. These files are enormous, and that creates a daunting task for new translators. |
| 13:03 | magnuse | druthb: too true! |
| 13:03 | cait1 | druthb: there are bugs with ideas on bugzilla |
| 13:04 | I proposed a change to strip out help files | |
| 13:04 | magnuse | there are two suggestions: split out marc dialects and split out online help |
| 13:04 | cait1 | yep |
| 13:04 | because this way you could translate opac, then intranet gui, then help files with the right terms for buttons and so on | |
| 13:04 | help and staff in one makes things hard | |
| 13:04 | I think | |
| 13:04 | magnuse | bug 7939 |
| 13:04 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7939 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Separate po files for different MARC dialects |
| 13:04 | cait1 | and when we have late updates like now it makes it worse |
| 13:05 | druthb | That's a good start, IMO. A deeper question, to me, is "is there a better technology for doing translation that would take into account some of the other bits, like syspref/MARC dialects/embedded-in-code strings?" |
| 13:05 | ...and if so, "can it be implemented without losing what we've already got?" | |
| 13:05 | cait1 | I am not sure if there is |
| 13:05 | pootle is not perfect, but was a great step forward from kartouche | |
| 13:06 | I don't know if we could use more features in pootle | |
| 13:06 | magnuse | bug 7934 |
| 13:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7934 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Separate po file for help pages |
| 13:06 | cait1 | and redoing the whole translation system... I don't knwo what kind of different solutions are out there |
| 13:06 | but that would be a gigantic task | |
| 13:07 | druthb | All the searching I've done suggests that using .po-type data is probably as good as it gets right now...but *doing something* with that data, in order to make things better... there seem to be a number of different thoughts on that. |
| 13:08 | magnuse | there has been a situation where you get lots of very similar strings to translate |
| 13:08 | the same string with and without a trailing . for example | |
| 13:08 | druthb | That's just silly. |
| 13:08 | cait1 | yeah, but they are still different.. not sure you can automate something here for all possible cases |
| 13:08 | magnuse | some of that was reduced when someone did some work on capitalization |
| 13:08 | but maybe we could do something more intelligent in that area | |
| 13:09 | cait1 | I am not so worried about these things, more about thins like the untranslatable cataloguing plugins |
| 13:09 | such things can not happen again | |
| 13:09 | someone changed it to be based on xml | |
| 13:09 | which would be smart, if our translation plugins could deal with it | |
| 13:09 | hm translation scripts | |
| 13:10 | and the xml structure is bad, what we do for the xslt files doestn't work for them | |
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| 13:10 | cait1 | because the structure is backwards |
| 13:11 | tcohen | eythian, where would u like to add libkoha-contrib-tamil-perl as dependency? debian/control? debian/control.in? |
| 13:11 | cait1 | and some templates could be reworked |
| 13:12 | ok, brb | |
| 13:12 | drojf | druthb++ for thinking about better technology. i was thinking "can this be the best possible way to do that" just yesterday. |
| 13:13 | and if there isn't, maybe we could still find ways to improve what we hav enow | |
| 13:13 | have now | |
| 13:13 | druthb | drojf: It may turn out that it's the best way there is, but I think the question needs to be re-asked from time to time. And I'm such a noob at the whole I18N world that not too many will get offended at me asking a silly question like that. |
| 13:14 | cait1 | druthb: communication is good :) |
| 13:14 | if you ask questions, translators can answer :) | |
| 13:14 | magnuse | +1 |
| 13:14 | cait1 | I think first is to get the existing process shifted over probably |
| 13:14 | and then step by step careful changes, because if we mess up, lots of work for translators | |
| 13:14 | druthb | yep, I'm working on that. |
| 13:16 | cait1 | we had some regressions in the past |
| 13:16 | because it#s so easy to miss something | |
| 13:17 | or because something touches something else or so | |
| 13:21 | druthb | Is there any interest in having an IRC meeting? Or should I just throw a bunch of questions out to the list for discussion? |
| 13:21 | cait1 | I think at the last meeting someone wanted to talk about the manual translation |
| 13:22 | * druthb | presumes most any such meeting would be at a wierd hour for US-ians, but that's part of the job, imma thinking. |
| 13:22 | cait1 | maybe it would be good if we did it in the normal meeting - so all developers keep translation problems in mind |
| 13:23 | * druthb | nods. magnuse, concur? |
| 13:23 | druthb | drojf? |
| 13:23 | wahanui | drojf is from Germany and developing Koha on a raspberry pi! |
| 13:23 | * druthb | pokes wahanui |
| 13:23 | druthb | hush, you |
| 13:24 | drojf | druthb: i'd prefer longer general discussions on the mailing list, so i can take part at whatever weird time i am awake ;) but i'd also like to see some talk about it at the general meeting for what cait1 said |
| 13:24 | * druthb | thinks libsysguy should join the translation team; he can translate into Texian. |
| 13:24 | drojf | lol |
| 13:24 | cait1 | heh |
| 13:24 | libsysguy | hey now |
| 13:24 | druthb | also youngster-ian. |
| 13:25 | libsysguy | there is a young ian? |
| 13:25 | * druthb | wields a trout, winds up for a nuclear smackdown. |
| 13:25 | libsysguy | and I would just have to replace "you all" with "ya'll" |
| 13:26 | druthb | ... "Do you want to fill this hold?" = "I wanna give it to 'em, yan't to?" |
| 13:26 | libsysguy | whoa whoa whoa I do not use the word yan't :p |
| 13:27 | too far Ruthie | |
| 13:27 | hehe | |
| 13:27 | * druthb | wields a second trout, prepares to fight Florentine. |
| 13:27 | druthb | bring it, whooper-snapper. |
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| 13:27 | libsysguy | haha |
| 13:27 | * libsysguy | is a whooper-snapper |
| 13:27 | druthb | Besides, you're an east texian, and everyone knows they talk funny. |
| 13:28 | libsysguy | :'( I don't talk that funny |
| 13:28 | I do slip in a ya'll | |
| 13:28 | but for the most part I think i just have a nerd accent | |
| 13:28 | druthb | :D |
| 13:29 | cait1 | paul_p: around? |
| 13:30 | paul_p | cait1 yep, pushing ;-) |
| 13:30 | cait1 | did you see bug 8636? |
| 13:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8636 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Some dependencies are not listed by the installer |
| 13:30 | paul_p | cait1 yep, I just spoke of it with joubu a few minuts ago |
| 13:30 | libsysguy | paul_p: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU9Wh2x4u3E |
| 13:30 | cait1 | ah ok |
| 13:31 | druthb | All right--here's mah plan, cait1 / magnuse / drojf: I'll get us on the agenda for the next general meeting, and promote the attendance of translation-interested folk on the general and translate lists, along with sending a list of bugs and other thoughts I've had for discussion. Some, we can cope with on the list, but we might wanna chat about others during the meeting. |
| 13:31 | cait1 | sounds ok to me |
| 13:31 | drojf | i think the next meeting is the one we all three opted out of for nighttime reasons |
| 13:31 | all three of us | |
| 13:31 | druthb | Oh! hm. |
| 13:32 | drojf | or is it? cait1? |
| 13:32 | druthb | Perhaps the following one. Whichever one next works for y'all. |
| 13:32 | oleonard | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…],_7_November_2012 |
| 13:34 | magnuse | druthb: sounds like a good plan |
| 13:34 | * magnuse | was called away for a few moments |
| 13:34 | cait1 | ah right |
| 13:34 | I forgot about the date | |
| 13:34 | I will be in oslo | |
| 13:35 | or on my way back from there.... so will not be able to attend anyway | |
| 13:35 | so maybe start on list and then it will be the next meeting after release | |
| 13:36 | well not because of me - but it's a bad time for whole europe next time :( | |
| 13:38 | oleonard | Yeah I'm going to revise the whole meeting agenda to "Karaoke Jam" |
| 13:38 | druthb | oleonard++ |
| 13:40 | cait1 | oleonard: karaoke without us? *sniff* |
| 13:40 | mtompset | My cousin has a karaoke business. :) |
| 13:44 | drojf | oleonard: you want to wake us up by any means necessary? |
| 13:44 | oleonard | Of course not drojf, IRC Karaoke is just typing along with the words ;) |
| 13:45 | drojf | lol |
| 13:45 | i wouldn't want to miss that | |
| 13:45 | is anyone here using piwik or google analytics in koha (via usercss or however you do it)? | |
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| 13:46 | cait1 | drojf: I think rangi could help you with that |
| 13:49 | jwagner | drojf, you put the google analytics code into the opacuserjs syspref |
| 13:50 | drojf | jwagner: what i would be interested in is how the code looks. so i could check if it is present in opacuserjs |
| 13:51 | oleonard | So I found our new menu plugin: http://soulwire.github.com/Makisu/ :P |
| 13:51 | jwagner | fairly lengthy code block (outside any jquery block) -- starts off something like this: |
| 13:52 | var gaJsHost = (("https:" == document.location.protocol) ? "https://ssl." : "http://www."); | |
| 13:52 | document.write(unescape("%3Cscript src='" + gaJsHost + "google-analytics.com/ga.js' | |
| 13:52 | goes on for quite a while, there's a setAccount variable for your account number | |
| 13:53 | drojf | ok i guess looking for 'google-analytics.com/ga.js' would be enough to determine if it is used |
| 13:53 | cait1 | oleonard: oh yes please ;) |
| 13:53 | drojf | thanks jwagner |
| 13:54 | jwagner | you're welcome |
| 13:56 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #914 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 13:57 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_3652' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3721749d843958502> / bug 3652 fixing XSS vulnerabilities in opac-search <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]06b9bdcdb6eeaa4fd> / Bug 3652: close XSS vulnerabilities in opac-export <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]p=koha.git;a=comm |
| 13:58 | * magnuse | wnaders off |
| 14:01 | * drojf | is impressed by magnuse's wnadering skills |
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| 14:19 | mtompset | Sucky internet connection. Greetings, #koha. |
| 14:19 | Greetings, jcamins. :) | |
| 14:19 | jcamins | Is there any conversation that I need to be aware of this morning that didn't involve my name being mentioned? |
| 14:21 | magnuse: I think there should be, yes. | |
| 14:21 | drojf: I tried GA in Koha. | |
| 14:22 | drojf | jcamins: i think GA is sorted out for now. i'm only interested in detecting its use. i could use someone with piwik (or two, one local and one using piwik servers) though |
| 14:22 | jcamins | drojf: I would like to set up piwik. |
| 14:23 | drojf: are you adding an opt-out cookie? | |
| 14:23 | 'Cause that'd be awesome. | |
| 14:23 | drojf | jcamins: i'm at displaying information about privacy relevant stuff for now, but eventually i would like that, yes |
| 14:23 | jcamins | Especially the Facebook button. |
| 14:24 | * jcamins | found a Chrome plugin to block it, fortunately. |
| 14:25 | jcamins | I want a kitten. |
| 14:25 | drojf | related to that, can we set bug 6610 to resolved? |
| 14:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6610 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, juan.sieira, In Discussion , Integration of Google Analytics in Koha. |
| 14:25 | jcamins | My client has a new 4mo kitten. |
| 14:26 | drojf | (was not elated to kittens unfortunately) |
| 14:26 | s/elated/related | |
| 14:26 | but i could use one too | |
| 14:26 | jcamins | drojf: I think you could close it, yes. |
| 14:27 | drojf | i can only do "resolved". i'm sure i have seen "resolved WONTFIX" or something, but maybe that is only for special people? |
| 14:28 | jcamins | You set it to resolved, then choose the resolution. |
| 14:28 | drojf | AH! |
| 14:32 | seems like never dared to actually set something to resolved or i would have known :) | |
| 14:33 | * cait1 | wants a kitten too now |
| 14:33 | * jcamins | was thinking that. |
| 14:33 | cait1 | group dynamics... |
| 14:33 | and hi jcamins :) | |
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| 14:38 | * druthb | has two cats. No moar kittehs! |
| 14:39 | cait1 | druthb: be honest.... wouldn't you say yes if you could shrink them back to kittens? :) |
| 14:39 | drojf | dear us-americans, watching the third party presidential candidates debate makes it seem like there is intelligent life somewhere in us politics. you should give it a try. |
| 14:40 | jcamins | drojf: I don't watch any presidential debates. |
| 14:41 | drojf | jcamins: why is that? |
| 14:41 | * oleonard | only watches people on Twitter heckle presidential debates |
| 14:42 | jcamins | drojf: it's too depressing. |
| 14:42 | druthb | drojf: The way that campaign funding and ballot-access is set up in this country, watching a third-party candidate is like wrestling a pig: It doesn't do any good, you both get dirty, and the pig likes it. They want attention, but won't be president until the system changes. |
| 14:45 | drojf | given that al jazeera, russia today and c-span showed it there are probably more people outside the us than inside that have seen it. you sure have a weird system |
| 14:45 | druthb | Yes, yes we do. |
| 14:45 | oleonard | Weird and broken. |
| 14:46 | druthb | Someone wrote a novel I read years ago, about a different history if the Confederacy had won our civil war in the 1860s. One of these days, it'd be interesting to see a novel with the premise that the Revolution failed. |
| 14:50 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 14:50 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)" (added by chris at 09:36 PM, October 06, 2010) |
| 14:50 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 14:50 | druthb | @quote random |
| 14:50 | huginn | druthb: Quote #58: "<jdavidb> I prefer killing bugs, not kitties." (added by gmcharlt at 04:38 PM, February 17, 2010) |
| 14:51 | * druthb | chuckles. |
| 14:51 | druthb | I still get tickled when I see that name. |
| 14:51 | * jcamins | has been abandoned by both cats. |
| 14:51 | jcamins | :( |
| 14:51 | * gmcharlt | would like an office cat |
| 14:51 | * druthb | drops a big hairy cat on jcamins' lap. Pixel promptly sheds on him. |
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| 14:52 | jcamins | lol |
| 14:53 | gerundio | drojf, cait1 ... sorry to left you hanging earlier after I posted a question |
| 14:53 | been caught between lunch break and meetings ever since | |
| 14:53 | jcamins | Those sneaky lunch breaks! |
| 14:53 | drojf | lol |
| 14:54 | jcamins | You think you only get one of them, but suddenly a second shows up! |
| 14:54 | * jcamins | looks around hopefully. |
| 14:54 | drojf | i could have second lunch |
| 14:54 | cait1 | me too |
| 14:54 | I didn't have first lunch tho | |
| 14:54 | jcamins | "I said, 'I wasn't expecting a sort of a second lunch break.'" |
| 14:54 | cait1 | hm maybe better have dinner |
| 14:54 | drojf | one round of kitties and second lunch please |
| 14:55 | cait1 | I had a curious black and white staring thorugh my window earlier |
| 14:55 | * cait1 | is being watched - have to be careful what I say.... |
| 14:55 | drojf | stared at by a black and white lunch break? |
| 14:55 | that's scary | |
| 14:55 | gmcharlt | speaking of mailing lists, koha-consort appears to have disappeared |
| 14:56 | cait1 | oh cat :) |
| 14:56 | gmcharlt | does anybody know if it got moved by INCOLSA, or just dropped? |
| 14:56 | jcamins | "Ha ha! No one expects a second lunch break! It's chief weapon is spanakopita. Spanakopita and salads. Its two chief weapons... can I start over?" :) |
| 14:56 | cait1 | gmcharlt: what was it supposed to do? |
| 14:56 | I think we also have koha-announce or something? | |
| 14:56 | gmcharlt | cait1: discussion of Koha for consortia |
| 14:56 | druthb | gmcharlt: since INCOLSA no longer exists... |
| 14:56 | drojf | rofl jcamins |
| 14:56 | cait1 | oh |
| 14:56 | gmcharlt | it was never high volume |
| 14:56 | cait1 | :) |
| 14:57 | gerundio | drojf, answering your question earlier: "900 bibliographic records? or 900 authorized values?".... door #2 - authorized values |
| 14:57 | cait1 | drojf: maybe we should propose renaming the german mailing list at this time? ;) |
| 14:57 | drojf | gerundio: ok, you would not want to do that manually |
| 14:57 | cait1: do we want to rename it or have a second one? | |
| 14:57 | gmcharlt | druthb: well, folded into MCLS, more like |
| 14:58 | druthb | right. |
| 14:58 | jcamins | cait1: i think the non-English mailing lists make sense. |
| 14:58 | cait1 | to replace the existing? |
| 14:58 | or second like 2? | |
| 14:58 | drojf | there is not really much happening so we could have translation stuff and the rest on one list |
| 14:58 | cait1 | jcamins: we were talking about hte name being overly complicated |
| 14:58 | jcamins | koha-de? |
| 14:58 | gerundio | drojf, right, I guess I have no choice but to go for MySQL records import |
| 14:58 | cait1 | yeah, but it's not koha-de |
| 14:58 | and it would be nice if it was I think :) | |
| 14:59 | http://lists.koha-community.or[…]/mailman/listinfo | |
| 14:59 | drojf | jcamins: it's labelled koha-l18n-german or something like that. but it is used for everything |
| 14:59 | gmcharlt | are both koha-oz and Koha Pacifika needed? |
| 14:59 | cait1 | koha-win32.... |
| 14:59 | gmcharlt | cait1: and http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 14:59 | cait1 | looks like a good candidate to kill :P |
| 14:59 | gerundio | cait1, you mentioned "only be careful with some of them like LOST because the values there have special meaning in the program but CCODE, LOC, SUGGEST stuff like that shoudl be no problem at all" |
| 14:59 | drojf | cait1: i bet there is a google group for that |
| 14:59 | :P | |
| 15:00 | jcamins | drojf: yeah,, and it solved all our problems. |
| 15:00 | gerundio | in the default koha installation I only have 2 records |
| 15:00 | drojf | jcamins: yes, it did \o/ |
| 15:00 | gmcharlt | hmm, I'm seeing bunches of glitches |
| 15:00 | gerundio | under a YES_NO category |
| 15:00 | gmcharlt | koha-oz's archives are available only to subscribers -- which I don't feel should be the policy |
| 15:00 | jcamins | gmcharlt: really? That's just because you're not using the Google Group. |
| 15:00 | drojf | gmcharlt: i agree |
| 15:00 | cait1 | lol |
| 15:00 | drojf | lol |
| 15:00 | cait1 | so maybe this could go on agenda for a meeting? |
| 15:00 | jcamins | If you were using the Google Group, it would all make sense. |
| 15:00 | * slef | uses jcamins to make a kitty kebab |
| 15:00 | gmcharlt | and the server for Koha Pacifika isn't responding |
| 15:01 | cait1 | eew slef |
| 15:01 | we were just talking about second lunch, now you did it again! | |
| 15:01 | slef | cait1: he started it! He used the G words again! |
| 15:01 | cait1 | slef: only to make fun of it |
| 15:01 | jcamins | gmcharlt: PASIFIKA wasn't intended to be a permanent mailing list, I think... that's a Koha implementation project. |
| 15:02 | cait1 | you have to be a bit more careful before you kebab your allies :) |
| 15:02 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:02 | gmcharlt | jcamins: ah, OK |
| 15:02 | * slef | is not in a happy place... another project he's working on has moved bug trackng to github... so we can't report bugs any more. |
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| 15:02 | gerundio | cait1, I made a SQL query on my colleague's authorised_values table and those categories you mentioned are all there, along with some additional ones |
| 15:02 | cait1 | gerundio: what exactly do you want to add? |
| 15:03 | jcamins | gmcharlt: not really sure why we would have listed it on the website. |
| 15:03 | pastebot | "gerundio" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "select distinct(category) from authorised_values;" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/249 |
| 15:03 | jcamins | But I'm not an expert. |
| 15:03 | gmcharlt | jcamins: probably just enthusiasm at the time |
| 15:03 | gerundio | cait1, those are the categories my colleague added to his koha installation |
| 15:03 | slef | I'm getting a little jaded with these projects where people write things like "since we switched to github issue tracking, managing our bugs is much simpler" YES! BECAUSE ONLY GITHUBBERS CAN REPORT THEM ANY MORE!</rant> |
| 15:04 | jcamins | gerundio: and you can't ask him why he did what he did? |
| 15:04 | gerundio | in a total of 865 authorised values records |
| 15:04 | cait1 | hm |
| 15:04 | AUT, COU LAN PREF are not included in stadnard koha | |
| 15:04 | drojf | slef: what's the issue with github? bad terms of service? |
| 15:04 | cait1 | maybe used in cataloguing? or some other place |
| 15:05 | jcamins | slef: I didn't even know Github had a bug tracker. |
| 15:05 | slef | drojf: yes. |
| 15:05 | jcamins: calling it a bug tracker is an overstatement. | |
| 15:05 | jcamins | If I did, I might encourage the Google Group users to consider using it for when they run into problems after ignoring the instructions. |
| 15:05 | gerundio | jcamins, like cait1 mentioned, these values are used for cataloguing |
| 15:06 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #914: SUCCESS in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/914/ |
| 15:06 | * julian.maurice: Bug 8903: Pass invoiceid to ModReceiveOrder | |
| 15:06 | * jcamins: Bug 3652: close XSS vulnerabilities on biblionumber and authid | |
| 15:06 | * Paul Poulain: Bug 3652 follow-up reverting call to param('bib') | |
| 15:06 | * jcamins: Bug 3652: close XSS vulnerabilities in opac-export | |
| 15:06 | * chrish: bug 3652 fixing XSS vulnerabilities in opac-search | |
| 15:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8903 blocker, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Can't receive any orders |
| 15:06 | gerundio | wheter they are mandatory or should be used in the 1st place... that's a question I'll have to ask him |
| 15:06 | jcamins | gerundio: oh, so you do know what they're for. |
| 15:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3652 critical, P1 - high, ---, chrish, ASSIGNED , XSS vulnerabilities |
| 15:06 | jcamins | I thought you were trying to figure out what they were for. |
| 15:06 | gerundio | my original question was regarding if the values on this table are translated in OPAC |
| 15:07 | my colleague added all the values in Portuguese | |
| 15:07 | slef | I think some developers refuse to accept that bug trackers are fairly hard because bug tracking is fairly hard... no-one's cracked it yet, have they? Bug trackers loved by some are hated by others. |
| 15:07 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 15:07 | No. | |
| 15:07 | Not translated. | |
| 15:07 | gerundio | he even changed the original values from Yes and No to Portuguese Sim and Não |
| 15:08 | jcamins | Makes sense to me. |
| 15:08 | Otherwise "Yes" and "No" would be in English. | |
| 15:09 | gerundio | ok, this is the 1st time you say to me that he has done something well :D |
| 15:09 | jcamins | gerundio: see, it's not that I'm always negative. It's that the Zebra changes horrified me. :P |
| 15:10 | gerundio | you still remember that... you had nightmares with those changes, right? |
| 15:10 | I think you didn't catch my conversation earlier | |
| 15:10 | cait1 | gerundio: translating the descriptions is fine :) |
| 15:10 | * gmcharlt | has taken the liberty of dropping the dead lists from the list of lists |
| 15:10 | cait1 | for some languages you can opt to get translated files at installation times - those are basically translated sql files |
| 15:10 | gerundio | from what gaetan_B told me, I think it's nightmare material too |
| 15:10 | cait1 | drojf: remind me we need to check the german sql files before release 3.10? |
| 15:10 | jcamins | gerundio: no, I did not read the scrollback this morning. There was more than I felt like looking at. |
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| 15:10 | cait1 | drojf: using you as my external memory again :P |
| 15:11 | gerundio | cait1, thanks for the feedback on that |
| 15:11 | jcamins | cait1: you should add it to your cloud-based to-do list. |
| 15:11 | cait1 | jcamins: oh |
| 15:11 | yeah maybe :) | |
| 15:11 | but where is the fun with that? :) | |
| 15:11 | gerundio | jcamins, sure you did... it was related with the default MARC framework |
| 15:11 | is it supposed to be changed? | |
| 15:11 | oleonard | Looks like the self checkout timeout is 100% dependent on JavaScript. No timeout enforced by the script :( |
| 15:12 | jcamins | gerundio: I change my default MARC framework. |
| 15:14 | gerundio | ok, that leads to the 2nd part of the discussion |
| 15:14 | jcamins | gerundio: what's not a good idea is changing it so that fields mean different things than in the standard. |
| 15:14 | cait1 | oleonard: ouch again :( |
| 15:14 | gerundio | I experienced some unexpected behaviors while importin/exporting it with CSV |
| 15:14 | cait1 | oleonard: security issue even? |
| 15:15 | jcamins | I've never used the framework import/export. |
| 15:15 | oleonard | cait1: I would say it's a security issue in that if the library doesn't know the timeout requires JS, the system ignores the timeout setting they set in system preferences with the expectation that it would work |
| 15:16 | cait1 | jcamins: hm what problem with 490 is linda referring to? I thought we did things with indicators for traced and untraced? |
| 15:16 | gerundio | all the fields are written in Portuguese, a lot of them with punctuated characters |
| 15:16 | jcamins | cait1: not for searching. |
| 15:16 | gerundio | in these cases the import resulted in incomplete values |
| 15:17 | for instance I have this field for "Língua do documento", which stands for "Document language" | |
| 15:17 | cait1 | jcamins: hm, how would search ideally work there? |
| 15:17 | gerundio | after the import I only get "L" everything after the 1st accentuated character is deleted |
| 15:17 | cait1 | gerundio: you got an encoding problem |
| 15:17 | gerundio: that happened to me before too - make sure you have utf-8 everywhere | |
| 15:18 | gerundio: for example if you use an editor, check it has the right settings, I had problems with that in the past | |
| 15:18 | jcamins | cait1: it probably should not include traced 490s in indexes. |
| 15:18 | cait1 | jcamins: oh? not sure I understand that. but it's a problem for another time maybe |
| 15:18 | mtompset | Have a good day (24 hour period), everyone. |
| 15:19 | jcamins | cait1: yes, definitely a problem for another time. |
| 15:19 | gerundio | cait1, the weirdest part is that the export/import works correctly for all the other frameworks |
| 15:19 | I noticed that koha exported an ANSI CSV | |
| 15:19 | jcamins | gerundio: if only one framework includes accented characters, then that makes sense. |
| 15:20 | gerundio | I converted it to UTF-8 and then imported |
| 15:20 | the result was an empty framework | |
| 15:20 | jcamins, all have accented chars | |
| 15:20 | jcamins | gerundio: okay, then that's very weird. |
| 15:20 | cait1 | gerundio: hmm - which export option did you use? I only used libreoffice so far- never the csv |
| 15:21 | gerundio: it worked nicely for the german umlauts with that, at least I didn't notice any problems | |
| 15:21 | but never tried the default framework... hm. | |
| 15:21 | * cait1 | agrees with jcamins |
| 15:22 | * gerundio | agrees too :) |
| 15:22 | drojf | gerundio: how did you determine it was ANSI and what editor did you use? |
| 15:22 | gerundio | I ended up exporting to SQL and importing it afterwards |
| 15:22 | everything went smooth that way | |
| 15:23 | drojf, notepad++ | |
| 15:23 | jcamins | @karma notepad |
| 15:23 | huginn | jcamins: Karma for "notepad" has been increased 7 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 7. |
| 15:23 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 15:23 | gerundio | @karma notepad++ |
| 15:23 | huginn | gerundio: notepad++ has neutral karma. |
| 15:23 | gerundio | not as good as the original notepad I see :) |
| 15:24 | jcamins | notepad++++ |
| 15:24 | drojf | notepad++++ |
| 15:24 | :) | |
| 15:24 | jcamins | @karma notepad++ |
| 15:24 | huginn | jcamins: Karma for "notepad++" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. |
| 15:24 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 15:24 | @karma <!-- | |
| 15:24 | huginn | jcamins: <!-- has neutral karma. |
| 15:24 | jcamins | <!--++ |
| 15:24 | @karma <!-- | |
| 15:24 | huginn | jcamins: Karma for "<!--" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. |
| 15:24 | gerundio | drojf, notepad++ identifies the file as ANSI and provides an option to convert to UTF8 |
| 15:25 | druthb | @karma <! |
| 15:25 | huginn | druthb: Karma for "<!" has been increased 8 times and decreased 119 times for a total karma of -111. |
| 15:25 | druthb | :P |
| 15:25 | jcamins++ | |
| 15:25 | drojf | <!++ |
| 15:26 | cait1 | heh |
| 15:26 | oleonard | One of my staff members just excitedly discovered that Koha has fuzzy searching. :| |
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| 15:26 | jcamins | oleonard: I thought you had that disabled? |
| 15:27 | oleonard | No we've had it for ages |
| 15:27 | * jcamins | remembered an issue with fuzzy searching during one of your upgrades. I guess it was that it was inadvertently *dis*abled rather than enabled. |
| 15:28 | oleonard | I think that's what it was |
| 15:29 | gerundio | jcamins, regarding those changes on the record.abs file |
| 15:29 | can you tell by looking quickly at a default MARC framework export if there are some weird changes too? | |
| 15:30 | jcamins | gerundio: I don't think I could, no. |
| 15:30 | gerundio | maybe you can tell me other thing that might help |
| 15:31 | jcamins | gerundio: I think you'd just have to compare it against the standard. :( |
| 15:31 | gerundio | the way we set our frameworks is related to the zebra indexes we define in record.abs? |
| 15:33 | jcamins | Somewhat. |
| 15:33 | wahanui | somewhat is not the adjective I would use |
| 15:33 | jcamins | lol |
| 15:33 | Thanks, wahanui. | |
| 15:33 | wahanui | de rien jcamins |
| 15:33 | oleonard | wahanui, style maven. |
| 15:33 | wahanui | oleonard: excuse me? |
| 15:40 | drojf | bug 5116 looks not really applicable anymore, can i assume it's ok to set it to resolved? |
| 15:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5116 minor, P5 - low, ---, ricmarques, NEW , Duplicate and missing entries in "apt-get-debian-lenny.sh" |
| 15:42 | jcamins | drojf: makes sense to me. |
| 15:42 | oleonard | I guess CCSR doesn't use self checkout |
| 15:43 | drojf | oleonard: things missing from the theme? |
| 15:43 | jcamins | oleonard: missing javascript? |
| 15:44 | There shouldn't be. | |
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| 15:44 | oleonard | CCSR self checkout templates are untouched, and have missing images |
| 15:44 | jcamins | (not that there couldn't be, of course) |
| 15:47 | drojf | gerundio: can i persuade you into having a look at bug 8919 and testing the patch if it is compatible to your LDAP setup? |
| 15:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8919 critical, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , ExtendedPatronAttributes not populated from LDAP |
| 15:52 | drojf | it's getting dark before 6pm already. great. maybe i should go to bed as nature intended it |
| 15:52 | jcamins | drojf: but then you won't be up at 3am! |
| 15:52 | drojf | sure, i will be up again ;) |
| 15:52 | gerundio | drojf, I've looked into that patch 1st thing on Monday morning |
| 15:53 | my patch doesn't affect that one in any way | |
| 15:53 | do you want me to check anything in particular? | |
| 15:53 | jcamins | gerundio: could you test if it works and sign off on it if it does? |
| 15:54 | drojf | gerundio: cool. but i did not mean to check for that, but apply it to a dev installation, try if if does what it claims to do and if so, sign it off |
| 15:54 | because then we could get it into koha | |
| 15:54 | just like we need to find somebody to signoff on your patch | |
| 15:55 | gerundio | I'll put it in my TODO list |
| 15:56 | drojf | thanks |
| 15:56 | gerundio | I hope to fit this task until the end of the week |
| 15:56 | drojf | that would be awesome |
| 15:56 | gerundio | is there any procedure I should know about? |
| 15:57 | drojf | i think you did the same last time. make a new branch in git, apply the patch and then follow the test plan that is given in the comments |
| 15:57 | jcamins | patch workflow? |
| 15:57 | wahanui | rumour has it patch workflow is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nt-patch_Workflow |
| 15:57 | jcamins | ^^ I think that explains how to sign off |
| 15:58 | drojf | if not, tjis does http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ation#Signing_off |
| 15:59 | ignore the "more than one patch" thing | |
| 15:59 | jcamins | That's what I meant. |
| 15:59 | Maybe. | |
| 16:00 | drojf | huh that part is all about more than one patch. sorry. but it is there somewhere |
| 16:00 | there http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]tion#Using_git-bz | |
| 16:00 | that page has a strange structure | |
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| 16:14 | * oleonard | eases jcamins away from the cat-o-nine-tails |
| 16:15 | drojf | lol |
| 16:19 | gerundio | jcamins, drojf thanks for the URLs |
| 16:19 | I'll try to test it following that info asap | |
| 16:19 | drojf | gerundio: cool, thank you |
| 16:20 | gerundio | off-topic now, back to my work :) |
| 16:20 | it looks like I'm now ready to import the bibliographic records into my koha installation | |
| 16:21 | I've exported a 51.7 MB koha.mrc file | |
| 16:21 | any last minute advices? | |
| 16:21 | jcamins | Yay! |
| 16:22 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8568 - Fix some errors in docs for scripts provided by the Debian packages <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]309de64dd1b862e22> / Bug 8841 Duedate should be set to end of expiry day <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0f0676d94358b9868> / But 8787: don't load the page if OpacMaintenance is ON <http://git.koha-commun |
| 16:23 | drojf | gerundio: not really |
| 16:24 | bug 8787 | |
| 16:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8787 minor, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , If OpacMaintenance is on the requested page is loaded |
| 16:24 | drojf | that's a funny bug |
| 16:26 | jcamins | drojf: oh? |
| 16:26 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #915 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 16:26 | drojf | jcamins: i am easy to amuse when i suffer from sleep deprivation |
| 16:26 | jcamins | drojf: are you ever not suffering from sleep deprivation? |
| 16:27 | drojf | jcamins: it's rare lately |
| 16:27 | there are times… :) | |
| 16:31 | gerundio | is there any estimated time for MARC records import? |
| 16:31 | the upload was really fast | |
| 16:31 | the Job progress is stalled at 0% for more than 5 minutes now | |
| 16:31 | any reason for me to worry? :) | |
| 16:31 | drojf | the progress bars are all b0rked |
| 16:32 | just wai, its alright :) | |
| 16:32 | wait | |
| 16:32 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8834 - Call to C4::Context::preference fails to pass $self in Circulation.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3e7e9417115e39aae> |
| 16:32 | drojf | "i want to write up a privacy related summary for the babeltheque option in koha and sneak in snarky remarks about them doing crazy things with your data but i dont speak french and do not know anything about them :(" <-- first world privacy activism problems |
| 16:33 | gerundio | thanks drojf, I'll just wait then |
| 16:33 | just don't ask me to fix the progress bars | |
| 16:33 | jcamins | gerundio: awww. |
| 16:33 | gerundio | frontend is not my thing :D |
| 16:34 | drojf | damn |
| 16:34 | :P | |
| 16:35 | jcamins | drojf: ask someone who uses babeltheque? |
| 16:35 | rhcl left #koha | |
| 16:36 | gerundio | btw, koha uses jquery and yui, right? |
| 16:36 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 16:36 | We're trying to get rid of YUI because it's awful. | |
| 16:37 | oleonard | ...except where everything else is more awful :P |
| 16:37 | jcamins | oleonard: right. |
| 16:37 | gerundio | looolol, I know the feeling |
| 16:38 | jcamins | oleonard: however, given your monthly pronouncements that you'd like to ditch YUI, I think my statement is accurate for all that we haven't found a better alternative, no? |
| 16:38 | oleonard | Yes :) |
| 16:38 | gerundio | I worked in a projected where we used dojo and yui together |
| 16:38 | legacy issues too | |
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| 16:38 | gerundio | never got convinced by neither of those 2 |
| 16:42 | * oleonard | wonders if anyone else can reproduce Bug 8856 |
| 16:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8856 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Details section of cart always displays 59 |
| 16:43 | * drojf | can't even open the screenshot |
| 16:44 | oleonard | I wonder if that is a sign the bug is invalid... |
| 16:46 | gerundio | oleonard, tss tss... wrong mind set |
| 16:46 | jcamins | gerundio: no, right mindset! |
| 16:46 | The more bugs are invalid, the more we can close! | |
| 16:46 | libsysguy: could you check if you can still reproduce bug 8856? | |
| 16:46 | gerundio | lolol, developer mindset |
| 16:47 | how I miss it | |
| 16:47 | jcamins | gerundio: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]n__&list_id=44595 |
| 16:47 | libsysguy | rel to 3.8.6? |
| 16:47 | jcamins | libsysguy: on master and/or 3.8-latest |
| 16:48 | gerundio: actually, http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]%2Cbug_id&limit=0 | |
| 16:48 | 2541 open bugs. | |
| 16:48 | Any bug closing that can be done is much-needed. | |
| 16:48 | libsysguy | jcamins I'll take a meek |
| 16:48 | peek* | |
| 16:49 | oleonard | Is it against protocol to close bugs which you reported and fixed yourself? |
| 16:49 | jcamins | oleonard: I don't think it should be. |
| 16:50 | No one else is going to be closing the bug. | |
| 16:50 | gerundio | you should have the 10 most wanted bug openers for koha |
| 16:50 | jcamins | gerundio: hehe. |
| 16:50 | gerundio | I noticed that gmcharltgmail.com must be #1 :D |
| 16:50 | jcamins | He opened a lot of the early bugs, I think. |
| 16:51 | oleonard | And then he vanished into thin air forever! |
| 16:51 | jcamins | oleonard: hehe. |
| 16:51 | We should tell him, and ask how he did it. | |
| 16:52 | * jcamins | can think of uses for vanishing into thin air. |
| 16:56 | drojf | nice try, new release manager. no vanishing for you |
| 16:56 | jcamins | Awww. |
| 16:56 | Please? | |
| 16:56 | Look over there! Shiny cookies! | |
| 16:57 | drojf | cookies? where? where? |
| 16:57 | where did jcamins go? | |
| 16:57 | d'oh | |
| 16:58 | cait1 | lol |
| 17:00 | jcamins: what are the rules for closing a bug currently? | |
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| 17:01 | jcamins | cait1: aww. |
| 17:01 | You spotted me. | |
| 17:01 | cait1: We don't really have rules. | |
| 17:02 | It was supposed to be "reporter or someone other than the patch writer closes the bug." | |
| 17:02 | But the result of that rule is no one ever closes any bugs. | |
| 17:02 | There are so many open bugs it's not like anyone finds anything among them. | |
| 17:02 | drojf | cait1: i ask jcamins for each bug until i have reached an arbitrary number of closed bugs and then do it without asking anymore. |
| 17:03 | * jcamins | is going to have a bug closing party once 3.10 is released. |
| 17:03 | drojf | actually i asked in general but he is the one who keeps answering |
| 17:03 | jcamins | Everything with a "pushed" status is getting closed. |
| 17:04 | (if there hasn't been any post-push discussion) | |
| 17:04 | drojf | that sounds like an allnighter |
| 17:04 | jcamins | Anything that doesn't actually work can be reopened or reported as a separate bug. |
| 17:06 | drojf | is that a good enough description? <h3>Google Analytics</h3><p>Longish rant about the evilness of Google Analytics, how it spies on you, connects all your data with your Google account and peeps through the keyhole while you poop.</p> |
| 17:07 | cait1 | drojf: we could start now |
| 17:07 | I am up for it, right after finishing my spaghetti | |
| 17:08 | drojf: maybe leave out the p reference | |
| 17:10 | jcamins: I tihnk tidying up bugzila is a good idea to do for a fresh start | |
| 17:10 | jcamins | cait1: yes, definitely. |
| 17:12 | I suppose I'll need to figure out how to use curl and git-bz together to give me an overview of the latest comments, and then automatically close it with a message "So far as I know this is now working, so I am closing the bug. Please reopen or file a new one if any further problems are encountered." | |
| 17:12 | cait1 | ok so say |
| 17:12 | all patches of a bug have been pushed to the versions they should be pushed to | |
| 17:12 | and noone complained about it not working for... 1 month? | |
| 17:13 | can I set if fixed then? | |
| 17:13 | resolved fixed? | |
| 17:13 | jcamins | Yeah, I think so. |
| 17:13 | cait1 | when do we actuall CLOSE bugs? |
| 17:13 | so they don't show up in searches and are annoying? | |
| 17:13 | maybe we after they have been fixed for... a while? | |
| 17:13 | jcamins | I don't think we do. I think we just set them to RESOLVED. |
| 17:14 | cait1 | or just after release of the version they were introduced? |
| 17:14 | jcamins | RESOLVED bugs don't show up in searches, though. |
| 17:14 | cait1 | hm but they only get crossed out when you close them |
| 17:14 | jcamins | I thought they got crossed out when RESOLVED. |
| 17:14 | cait1 | which is much easier to see than the resolved fixed status |
| 17:14 | hm let's check | |
| 17:15 | jcamins | If CLOSING is necessary, I suggest bulk-closing all bugs that have been RESOLVED-FIXED for > 1 mo. |
| 17:15 | cait1 | hm no |
| 17:15 | I mean they only get crossed out when closed it seems | |
| 17:15 | I did a quick search for "ALL lists" | |
| 17:15 | Oak | good night me hearties. |
| 17:15 | cait1 | bug 5611 is closed fixed, bug 5981 is only resolved fixed |
| 17:15 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5611 blocker, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, brice.sanchez, CLOSED FIXED, can't add comments and tags in the OPAC when mod_perl is activated |
| 17:15 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5981 blocker, P1 - high, ---, alex.arnaud, RESOLVED FIXED, OPAC: Add limits to search history | |
| 17:16 | cait1 | but you were right too - the resolved fixed bugs don't show up when doing a search for "lists" |
| 17:17 | jcamins | cait1: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]%2Cbug_id&limit=0 |
| 17:18 | cait1 | still loading |
| 17:18 | jcamins | Yeah, it'll take a long time. |
| 17:18 | 3400 bugs marked RESOLVED-FIXED. | |
| 17:18 | cait1 | wow |
| 17:18 | hm | |
| 17:19 | we could narrow it down a bit more | |
| 17:19 | with versions | |
| 17:19 | to quickly close some | |
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| 17:19 | jcamins | Those were 3400 bugs marked RESOLVED-FIXED that haven't been touched in at least 30 days. |
| 17:20 | cait1 | quick poll - someone against closing those? |
| 17:20 | jcamins | We should do it overnight. |
| 17:21 | rangi | tell me before you do |
| 17:21 | cait1 | overnight? |
| 17:21 | rangi | ill disable email |
| 17:21 | cos otherwise that will suck hugely | |
| 17:21 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 17:21 | It sure will. | |
| 17:21 | cait1 | rangi: what do you think about the idea in general? |
| 17:21 | gerundio | cya tomorrow |
| 17:21 | jcamins | 3715 bugs resolved more than six months ago. |
| 17:21 | rangi | 30 days seems fine to me, 6 months more than fine |
| 17:22 | cait1 | jcamins: why is the 6 months huger than the 30 days? |
| 17:22 | jcamins | cait1: I think because I misremembered the 30 days. |
| 17:22 | I didn't actually have the page open when I said 3400. | |
| 17:22 | cait1 | heh ok |
| 17:23 | ok, negative side effects? | |
| 17:23 | * rangi | is gone again |
| 17:23 | cait1 | the release note script will not be affected or will it? |
| 17:23 | jcamins | cait1: there's a danger of it crushing rangi's linode. |
| 17:24 | The release script won't be effected at all, no. | |
| 17:24 | *affected | |
| 17:24 | cait1 | we could do it in batches |
| 17:24 | I would even volunteer to go through some manually first | |
| 17:24 | it's unlikely I will do something for the distance study course tonight | |
| 17:25 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 17:25 | Tsk tsk. | |
| 17:25 | You should be doing schoolwork. | |
| 17:25 | cait1 | i am on vacation!! |
| 17:25 | heh | |
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| 17:32 | cait1 | jcamins: can you share your search for six months? |
| 17:33 | jcamins | cait1: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]%2Cbug_id&limit=0 |
| 17:34 | cait1 | cool |
| 17:34 | thx | |
| 17:34 | I will wait until rangi is back | |
| 17:34 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #915: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/915/ |
| 17:34 | * jcamins: Bug 8890: C4/HoldsQueue requires DB | |
| 17:34 | * jcamins: Bug 8890: don't try to load DB-dependent modules | |
| 17:34 | * jcamins: Bug 8890: Koha::Borrower::Files shouldn't use db in BEGIN | |
| 17:34 | * robin: Bug 8890 - move two more db dependent tests | |
| 17:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8890 blocker, P1 - high, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Packages can't be built on master, db dependent test |
| 17:34 | jenkins_koha | * dpavlin: Bug 8953 - opac-userupdate encoding issues |
| 17:34 | * oleonard: Bug 8907 - Last updated date does not appear on currency edit form | |
| 17:34 | * mtompset: Bug 8849 - Error log generated when not a demo system | |
| 17:34 | * jonathan.druart: But 8787: don't load the page if OpacMaintenance is ON | |
| 17:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8953 critical, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , opac-userupdate encoding issues |
| 17:34 | jenkins_koha | * colin.campbell: Bug 8841 Duedate should be set to end of expiry day |
| 17:34 | * magnus: Bug 8568 - Fix some errors in docs for scripts provided by the Debian packages | |
| 17:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8907 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Last updated date does not appear on currency edit form |
| 17:34 | jenkins_koha | * mtompset: Bug 8834 - Call to C4::Context::preference fails to pass $self in Circulation.pm |
| 17:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8849 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Error log generated when not a demo system |
| 17:34 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8841 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Passed QA , Duedates set by Returnbeforeexpiry lack HH:MM | |
| 17:34 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8568 minor, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Fix some errors in docs for scripts provided by the Debian packages | |
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| 17:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8834 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Call to C4::Context::preference fails to pass $self in Circulation.pm |
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| 17:50 | rhcl | http://marc-must-die.info/index.php/Main_Page tweeted@ #internetlibrarian |
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| 17:50 | cait1 | cool :) |
| 17:50 | caser | hi everyone |
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| 17:51 | jcamins | rhcl: was there a lynching mob? |
| 17:51 | rhcl | theres a presentation on patrons voting books as "awesome" or "not awesome" by returning books to a return box labled as such |
| 17:51 | mveron | Hi #koha |
| 17:52 | caser | is there a way to allow someone access to the circulation features of the staff interface without being able to view patron's checkouts? |
| 17:52 | rhcl | jcamins: don't know. that was in a presentation by marshall breeding |
| 17:52 | the one I'm in has an API that somehow gets books labeled as "awesome" and pushing that to the ILS | |
| 17:52 | caser | I am at a school library and want to respect students' privacy, but want to allow other student volunteers to help in the library by checking things in and out. |
| 17:52 | jcamins | caser: not to my knowledge, no. |
| 17:53 | cait1 | caser: maybe you could make use of the web self check |
| 17:53 | ? | |
| 17:53 | jcamins | cait1: but can't you see what you've checked out in the web self check? |
| 17:53 | cait1 | it's only an idea, others might shoot me down :) |
| 17:53 | caser | hmm |
| 17:53 | cait1 | hm I don't know |
| 17:53 | but you are probably right | |
| 17:53 | rhcl | yea, that was mentioned. If you have self checkout, then you need to have patrons put a big awsome sticker on the book that can be read by the machines |
| 17:53 | selfcheckin, rather | |
| 17:54 | jcamins | rhcl: actually, that was for caser, but I'm impressed they actually figured out how to deal with it. |
| 17:54 | cait1 | rhcl: it works with barcodes or any other number |
| 17:54 | hmmm jcamins- seems we have no history of closing bugs | |
| 17:54 | * jcamins | loves the way these two unrelated conversations are almost, but not quite, making sense as a single conversation. |
| 17:55 | jcamins | cait1: no, we don't. |
| 17:55 | cait1 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]d&query_based_on= |
| 17:55 | it starts with bugs 1 - 13 and beyond | |
| 17:55 | caser | I currently don't have self checkout. Is there a Koha interface for that? |
| 17:55 | * mveron | tried to upload a .csv file in the Qoute uploader tools/quotes-upload.pl, gets always Error 'Uploads limited to csv. Incorrect filetype: unknown". It seems that in JS evt.target.files[0].type is empty. Can anybody confirm? |
| 17:55 | cait1 | but there are some holes in the numbers |
| 17:56 | oleonard | caser: http:// your opac /cgi-bin/koha/sco/sco-main.pl |
| 17:56 | caser: You'll have to enable it in system preferences | |
| 17:57 | caser | I'm looking into this... |
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| 17:58 | cait1 | hi libsysguy |
| 17:59 | oleonard | I don't know cait1, I think we may need to wait more time to see if Bug 2 is really fixed |
| 17:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]show_bug.cgi?id=2 normal, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, Need appropriate graphic for admin scripts |
| 18:00 | cait1 | oleonard: i don't like icons - for me that is closed :P |
| 18:01 | rhcl | @mbreeding Libraries will keep ILS way more than 10 years once they are on open source ILS because they own it. |
| 18:01 | huginn | rhcl: I suck |
| 18:01 | cait1 | ok, before I go and add this to a lot of bugs: Closing this bug, please file a new bug or reopen this one when problem still exists. |
| 18:02 | rhcl: wow | |
| 18:02 | ah, that was @ | |
| 18:03 | rhcl | think I saw a tweet <don't quote me> that he had some stat indicating the average life of an ILS at a given location was 10 yrs |
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| 18:05 | drojf | unfortunately some also keep the same version for 10 years :/ |
| 18:05 | or, livecd | |
| 18:05 | jcamins | lol |
| 18:05 | cait1 | hm found his slides |
| 18:06 | pptx? | |
| 18:07 | oleonard | PowerPoint version the-latest-whatever. |
| 18:07 | Oh, next year's our 10-year anniversary with Koha. I wonder what we'll switch to? | |
| 18:07 | rhcl | I'm in the wrong session--I should be listening to Marshall |
| 18:07 | * jcamins | suggests you upgrade to KOHA- the open source ILS everyone is always shouting about. |
| 18:08 | oleonard | :D |
| 18:08 | caser | jcamins & cait1, thanks for the suggestions. I think I may be able to work something out with the self-checkout feature-- I didn't even realize that existed. Thanks! |
| 18:08 | drojf | they are much higher in versions too |
| 18:08 | cait1 | caser: you are welcome |
| 18:08 | oleonard: heh :) I know - but I had expected a pdf | |
| 18:09 | jcamins | oleonard: really? |
| 18:09 | Why? | |
| 18:09 | Sorry. | |
| 18:09 | cait1: really? | |
| 18:09 | Why? | |
| 18:09 | oleonard | cait1: Really? I would expect a Powerpoint with slides that allude to but do not include information about the content of the talk |
| 18:09 | cait1 | ? |
| 18:10 | you are joking with me, right? | |
| 18:10 | jcamins | No, we're serious. |
| 18:10 | oleonard | Nope |
| 18:10 | cait1 | because pptx will look different when you open it in libreoffice |
| 18:10 | for example | |
| 18:10 | it's not a very portable format | |
| 18:10 | and if you don't have the extension you can't even open it in older versions of word | |
| 18:11 | oleonard | My problem with the practice is that seeing someone's slides usually does you no good without audio of the talk |
| 18:11 | jcamins | cait1: and do you _really_ think that mbreeding would provide a PDF? |
| 18:11 | cait1 | oleonard: agreed - but depending on the slides a bit. there are stil people reading pretty much from their slides |
| 18:11 | jcamins: hm ok | |
| 18:12 | slide 21 is weird | |
| 18:13 | estimating the developer count for koha based on bywater, catalyst and biblibre only? | |
| 18:13 | * jcamins | expresses... |
| 18:13 | jcamins | an utter lack of shock. |
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| 18:14 | oleonard | If only someone published regular statistics about how many people were working on Koha |
| 18:14 | cait1 | yeah |
| 18:14 | jcamins | oleonard: that'd be great. |
| 18:14 | rhcl | Need to be careful w/ slides--the narrative to accompany them is really important to understanding the point |
| 18:14 | gmcharlt | oleonard: who could that be? </sarcasm> |
| 18:14 | cait1 | we really need a project statistics person... oh wait |
| 18:15 | jcamins | rhcl: unless the slide's heading (and I haven't looked) is "Koha developers employed by the three largest Koha support companies," it's probably misleading. |
| 18:16 | rhcl | Breeding: Old systems are damaging libraries |
| 18:17 | rangi | Hmm what did I miss? |
| 18:17 | jcamins | rangi: we were just saying it's a shame that no one ever runs any statistics to find out how many developers Koha has. |
| 18:17 | rhcl | sorry, don't have the context for this. "The open source ILS options are flawed in that merely mimic the commercial vendors." |
| 18:18 | rangi | Lol |
| 18:18 | * jcamins | agrees with that- have you seen Millennium? |
| 18:18 | rangi | Koha is commercial |
| 18:19 | jcamins | If we imitated Millennium, that'd be a pretty major flaw. |
| 18:19 | * cait1 | hands rangi coffee |
| 18:19 | jcamins | rangi: mbreeding said that. I presume he meant "proprietary." |
| 18:19 | rangi | Yep |
| 18:19 | rhcl | I think somebody mentioned yesterday that Millennium was trying to pass itself off as being "more open" |
| 18:19 | jcamins | I saw that. |
| 18:19 | oleonard | He meant "You know, commercial commercial" |
| 18:20 | rangi | Which means his point is invalid as his terms are flawed |
| 18:20 | Catalyst has 125 developee | |
| 18:20 | Developers | |
| 18:20 | wahanui | the brains that make Koha grow and get better. Give them cookies. Lots of cookies. And possibly beer. |
| 18:20 | gmcharlt | wahanui: just not all at once |
| 18:20 | wahanui | gmcharlt: sorry... |
| 18:21 | gmcharlt | wahanui: you should be -- you still haven't hit the singularity, you slacker! |
| 18:21 | rangi | Ah well fudders will fud |
| 18:21 | oleonard | gmcharlt: All at once is okay, I'll save the cookies for later. |
| 18:21 | gmcharlt | oleonard++ |
| 18:22 | rhcl | some passing mention of bibliocommons IRT integrating "awesome" voting with the ILS |
| 18:22 | suggestion they would be open to the idea | |
| 18:24 | jcamins | But bibliocommons is a discovery layer. |
| 18:24 | A very cool discovery layer. | |
| 18:24 | But a discovery layer. | |
| 18:25 | How would bibliocommons' involvement help? It's at checkin that you need support. | |
| 18:25 | rhcl | donno, there was just an audience suggestion that they might be open to integrating the idea. |
| 18:26 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 18:26 | * jcamins | suspects the audience member is correct. |
| 18:26 | jcamins | Just, you know, it wouldn't do much. :/ |
| 18:27 | rhcl | I think most people just want to dump off their returns and get on with the show |
| 18:28 | rangi | Yeah and just use star ratings |
| 18:30 | rhcl | but hey, the next presentation is makerspaces, and it should be good. Pretty good attendance so far too. |
| 18:30 | rangi | Maker spaces are cool |
| 18:31 | cait1 | :) |
| 18:32 | rangi: would you be opposed to me manually closing soome bugs? | |
| 18:32 | starting from bug number 2 | |
| 18:32 | and do you want to turn of emails for that? or better wait? | |
| 18:32 | rangi | Nope but I'd rather turn off mails and batch do it |
| 18:33 | cait1 | hm or that |
| 18:33 | so how could we do it? | |
| 18:33 | rangi | Do a search then you can choose modify multiple |
| 18:33 | Then warn me | |
| 18:34 | I disable mail | |
| 18:34 | cait1 | aaah |
| 18:34 | rangi | You hit submit |
| 18:34 | cait1 | I will look into the functionality now |
| 18:34 | rangi | And when it's done I turn mail back on |
| 18:37 | Flat white time bbiab | |
| 18:37 | cait1 | mmh |
| 18:38 | flat whites. | |
| 18:40 | rhcl | shoes? |
| 18:40 | cait1 | rhcl: ? |
| 18:41 | coffee | |
| 18:41 | rhcl | flat whites = white shoes with flat soles? |
| 18:41 | Think I'm outta the loop--disregard me | |
| 18:43 | * jcamins | finishes up his cataloging, heads out. |
| 18:43 | cait1 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_white |
| 18:46 | :) | |
| 18:46 | rhcl | icic |
| 18:55 | rangi | back |
| 18:56 | cait1 | wb |
| 18:57 | oook | |
| 18:57 | looking at the interface for the batch editing | |
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| 18:57 | cait1 | do we want to add a general comment? |
| 18:58 | rangi | hm what? |
| 18:58 | cait1 | about why the bug changes to closed fixed |
| 18:58 | rangi | oh right |
| 18:59 | hmm do we? | |
| 18:59 | https://secure.flickr.com/phot[…]65/in/photostream | |
| 18:59 | cait1 | I was not sure, so I asked :) |
| 18:59 | oh | |
| 18:59 | is that a koha lamp? | |
| 18:59 | rangi | nope just letters |
| 18:59 | and my desk | |
| 19:00 | cait1 | big room |
| 19:01 | which desk is for liz? :) | |
| 19:01 | rangi | the space in front of mine, she is getting a new desk |
| 19:02 | gonna be between me and kathryn | |
| 19:02 | cait1 | ah nice :) |
| 19:02 | rangi | or she might swap with cjh |
| 19:03 | rhcl | google glasses can generate data for 3d printers from what they see? I see some potential in this. |
| 19:05 | drojf | i see google gathering data about everything you see. but that's only me ;) |
| 19:07 | rhcl | yea, but to walk around, and, an example from somebody's tweet, find a pretty girl, take an image, and print her out... |
| 19:08 | bit wierd, si? | |
| 19:09 | drojf | yeah, my first thought was someone at google printing your girlfriend or boyfriend |
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| 19:10 | rhcl | I see a need for Koha to db all the 3d printer images...but it's lunch time, so I'm off |
| 19:11 | rhcl left #koha | |
| 19:12 | oleonard | Bulk patron deletions (cleanborrowers.pl)... Anyone doing them? Safe? |
| 19:13 | rangi | have never tried it |
| 19:13 | cait1 | oleonard: too scared to try |
| 19:13 | but interested in your results :) | |
| 19:14 | oleonard | I asked ByWater about whether their customers used the bulk anonymization tool and they said yes, so I guess that one is working |
| 19:14 | cait1 | oleonard: you have to remember to set up a anonymous user for it |
| 19:14 | then it should work I think | |
| 19:17 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 19:17 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 13.1°C (9:13 PM CEST on October 24, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:20 | cait1 | @wunder Konstanz |
| 19:21 | huginn | cait1: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 8.0°C (9:00 PM CEST on October 24, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Rising). |
| 19:21 | cait1 | 5 difference |
| 19:21 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
| 19:21 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (8:00 AM NZDT on October 25, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:24 | cait1 | surprisingly |
| 19:24 | berlin wins | |
| 19:25 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 19:25 | huginn | oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 25.0°C (3:20 PM EDT on October 24, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:26 | cait1 | ok, oleonard wins :) |
| 19:26 | oleonard | Very nice weather, and beautiful fall color too. Should be a nice day for trick-or-treating tomorrow. |
| 19:27 | rangi | tomorrow? |
| 19:27 | wahanui | tomorrow is pizza friday! or the day after today. |
| 19:27 | oleonard | (yes I know, why do they trick-or-treat six days early?) |
| 19:27 | cait1 | :) |
| 19:27 | yes, why? :) | |
| 19:30 | oleonard | Ah, here's the link. this is why: http://www.athensnews.com/ohio[…]Gallery&gal_id=50 |
| 19:30 | So the kids trick-or-treat doesn't coincide with the drunken Halloween fest the college students put on | |
| 19:31 | cait1 | oh |
| 19:32 | rangi | oh i remember that |
| 19:32 | i still have the tshirt | |
| 19:32 | from 2002 | |
| 19:35 | bag | I went to athens in 1999 for halloween - it was a lot of fun |
| 19:35 | rangi | i was actually in toledo for halloween that year |
| 19:36 | columbus, then athens, then toledo, then cleveland | |
| 19:38 | oleonard | An exciting Ohio tour! |
| 19:38 | rangi | hehe toledo was definitely the least exciting |
| 19:39 | however the bus ride from toledo to cleveland was interesting | |
| 19:40 | http://web.archive.org/web/200[…]t/confprogram.php | |
| 19:40 | i love the wayback machine | |
| 19:43 | oleonard | "Chris Cormack, Version 1.2 Release Manager!" :) |
| 19:44 | gaetan_B joined #koha | |
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| 19:45 | rangi | heh |
| 19:45 | you can run, but you can never escape | |
| 19:52 | cait1 | :) |
| 19:53 | kathryn joined #koha | |
| 19:54 | maximep | anyone has experience with the code in Koha::Calendar ? |
| 19:55 | I have a major bug, but I don't know enough perl OO to really understand some parts :S | |
| 19:57 | rangi | maximep: colin campbell knows that code pretty well, maybe comment on the bug (or make a new one) and make sure he is cced |
| 19:57 | cait1 | maximep: is your problem on master or a latest 3.8? there has been lots work done touching this recently I think |
| 19:57 | maximep | code is the same on master as in my 3.8.5 |
| 19:58 | it seems calling is_holiday removes the hours because of the line "$dt->truncate( to => 'day' );" | |
| 19:58 | rangi | i think there is a bug reported for that already |
| 19:58 | maximep | but I have no idea why it would change the values of the current Date object :S |
| 19:59 | isn't dt a local variable to that sub ? | |
| 19:59 | ah, ok, will search bz | |
| 19:59 | rangi | nope |
| 20:00 | $dt is a ref | |
| 20:00 | maximep | I wish there wasn't tests of those functions only for 'days' unit :/ |
| 20:00 | rangi | maximep: try this |
| 20:01 | my $localdt = $dt; | |
| 20:01 | cait1 | maximep: you can fix that :) the tests I mean |
| 20:01 | rangi | then truncate localdt instead, if that fixes your issue |
| 20:01 | then we know its a scope issue | |
| 20:02 | * oleonard | waves goodbye til tomorrow |
| 20:02 | rangi | cya oleonard |
| 20:02 | cait1 | bye oleonard :) |
| 20:02 | maximep | yeah, easy enough to test all those |
| 20:03 | looking at bug reports | |
| 20:03 | I wonder if bug 8800 would help | |
| 20:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8800 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour |
| 20:03 | rangi | hmm sounds plausible |
| 20:03 | maximep | looks like a big rewrite |
| 20:03 | rangi | yeah |
| 20:03 | id try the little assign test first | |
| 20:03 | try to track down what is causing the issue | |
| 20:04 | maximep | ok, will do |
| 20:04 | rangi | thanks |
| 20:04 | maximep++ | |
| 20:05 | jcamins_away | I think that patch may fix the issue you describe as a side effect. I am not certain though. |
| 20:05 | maximep | same problem with localdt |
| 20:05 | I guess it's a ref to the ref | |
| 20:05 | maybe if I dt->clone ? | |
| 20:05 | rangi | yeah good idea |
| 20:06 | try that | |
| 20:06 | maximep | yay, it works =) |
| 20:06 | * cait1 | hands out coffee and cookies to do something useful |
| 20:06 | cait1 | :) |
| 20:06 | rangi | cool so yep we know the problem :) |
| 20:06 | maximep | took me a while to track this one down! |
| 20:07 | rangi | scope issues are always tricky |
| 20:07 | maximep | time to open a new ticket =) |
| 20:07 | rangi | :) |
| 20:07 | that would be nice to get in before 3.10 | |
| 20:07 | id mark it critical | |
| 20:07 | maximep | I might as well attach a few tests to reproduce the bug easily |
| 20:07 | rangi | *nod* |
| 20:07 | cait1 | maximep++ |
| 20:07 | jcamins_away | maximep++ |
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| 20:26 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #213 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 20:27 | maximep | aaaaaaaah testing dates/hours is harder than I tought -_- |
| 20:28 | cait1 | maximep: aspirin? |
| 20:29 | it always makes my head hurt and I need a paper calendar to scribble on when testing date related things :) | |
| 20:29 | maximep | nah, but I bandage because i'm currently breaking my head on my desk |
| 20:30 | while shouting WHYYYYYYYYYY | |
| 20:30 | cait1 | oh |
| 20:30 | a pillow for th desk would help, but not sure about the screaming :) | |
| 20:31 | maximep | hahahah |
| 20:44 | rangi | drojf: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2221 |
| 20:47 | drojf | rangi: that's fantastic \o/ |
| 20:47 | rangi | and for the parents in the # |
| 20:47 | https://i.chzbgr.com/completes[…]m53Hkv_8-gvA2.png | |
| 20:47 | cjh | the koha on an rpi plan comes closer.. |
| 20:49 | rhcl joined #koha | |
| 20:50 | drojf | readymade raspberry pi 512mb model running koha > livecd anytime. would also make cool giveaways for conventions ;) |
| 20:52 | cait1 | :) |
| 20:53 | cjh | it would be very cool 'open source running on open hardware, here have one' |
| 20:57 | cait1 | I am reading really old bugs for entertainment :) |
| 20:57 | drojf | you have weird hobbies |
| 20:57 | cait1 | hehe I do |
| 20:58 | rhcl | drojf: I'm going to buy something like this to hook up to the Pi |
| 20:58 | http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-TFT-[…]sh=item3f1614e6db | |
| 20:58 | cjh | cait1: is that what you call a vacation? |
| 20:59 | cait1 | cjh: yep, doing fun things! |
| 20:59 | cjh | heh :) |
| 21:00 | drojf | rhcl: i was thinking about that too, but they coast almost what the pi costs. i have a digital picture frame somehwere that i want to try as a basic terminal thingy |
| 21:00 | s/coast/cost/ | |
| 21:02 | rhcl | drojf: still, $35 USD is a very cheap monitor. |
| 21:03 | drojf | true :) |
| 21:06 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #213: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/213/ |
| 21:06 | * dpavlin: Bug 8953 - opac-userupdate encoding issues | |
| 21:06 | * oleonard: Bug 8907 - Last updated date does not appear on currency edit form | |
| 21:06 | * mtompset: Bug 8849 - Error log generated when not a demo system | |
| 21:06 | * jonathan.druart: But 8787: don't load the page if OpacMaintenance is ON | |
| 21:06 | * colin.campbell: Bug 8841 Duedate should be set to end of expiry day | |
| 21:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8953 critical, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , opac-userupdate encoding issues |
| 21:06 | jenkins_koha | * magnus: Bug 8568 - Fix some errors in docs for scripts provided by the Debian packages |
| 21:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8907 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Last updated date does not appear on currency edit form |
| 21:06 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8849 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Error log generated when not a demo system | |
| 21:06 | drojf | on a closer look, the bootloader is still closed. at first i thought they opened everything which really would have surprised me |
| 21:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8841 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Duedates set by Returnbeforeexpiry lack HH:MM |
| 21:06 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8568 minor, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Stable , Fix some errors in docs for scripts provided by the Debian packages | |
| 21:06 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #214 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 21:10 | maximep | well, I give up at trying to add tests of the function Koha::Calendar::addDate |
| 21:10 | I just don't understand the code | |
| 21:11 | I will just test is_holiday because I understand that one :p | |
| 21:11 | rangi | :) |
| 21:12 | maximep | I don't understand why the code would set the hours to '10' if the previous day is a holiday |
| 21:12 | makes no sense to me | |
| 21:12 | and what's the meaning of the comment "# Staffs specific" | |
| 21:16 | cait1 | maybe a leftover thing for a specific library? |
| 21:16 | suhm | |
| 21:16 | hm | |
| 21:16 | and no idea actually | |
| 21:18 | maximep | as of right now it seems that adding 3 hours to 17:30 on monday returns 10:30. I must be missing something |
| 21:18 | drojf | closing time, opening time… done wrong? |
| 21:18 | just guessing, never lokked at it | |
| 21:18 | looked | |
| 21:19 | rangi: do you have experience with integrating piwik in opacuserjs? | |
| 21:20 | (or anyone else that was not around when i asked earlier) | |
| 21:20 | rangi | yeah |
| 21:20 | its easy peasy | |
| 21:21 | drojf | rangi: i don't want to use it, i would like to know how the code in opacuserjs looks. so i can automatically detect if it is used |
| 21:23 | rangi | just look for piwik.js |
| 21:23 | <script type="text/javascript"> | |
| 21:23 | var pkBaseURL = (("https:" == document.location.protocol) ? "https://piwik.koha-community.org/" : "http://piwik.koha-community.org/"); | |
| 21:23 | document.write(unescape("%3Cscript src='" + pkBaseURL + "piwik.js' type='text/javascript'%3E%3C/script%3E")); | |
| 21:23 | </script> | |
| 21:23 | drojf | nice, thanks. looks basically the same as google analytics in green |
| 21:24 | (i bet that is no valid expression in english lol) | |
| 21:24 | rangi | yep, cept piwik lets users opt out |
| 21:24 | :) | |
| 21:25 | cait1 | drojf: heh |
| 21:25 | drojf | if they know it is used ;) |
| 21:25 | cait1 | germanism suspected? :) |
| 21:25 | rangi | you should tell everyone to run ghostery :) |
| 21:26 | drojf | i deleted ghostery after i learned that it was bought by a marketing company |
| 21:27 | alex_a_ joined #koha | |
| 21:27 | rangi | i just use noscript |
| 21:29 | http://mediagoblin.org/pages/campaign.html | |
| 21:30 | we could just use this for cover images :-) | |
| 21:30 | drojf | i deleted that too. i'm complicated :D i use request policy but "normal" people say that my internet is not usable :D |
| 21:31 | "MediaGoblin is building the world's most beautiful and user-responsive media publishing future" awww that's cute | |
| 21:35 | cait1 | Bug 281 - Updating a child to an adult registration is diabolical |
| 21:36 | drojf | oops. i thought they altered the voice so it fits to the goblin. but it is the regular voice of the community coordinator |
| 21:37 | rhcl left #koha | |
| 21:38 | drojf | brb |
| 21:41 | drojf joined #koha | |
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| 21:42 | drojf | bug 8953 went from report to stable in two days. koha_community++ |
| 21:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8953 critical, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Stable , opac-userupdate encoding issues |
| 21:44 | eythian | @later tell tcohen I don't think we should add it as a dependency: I think we should pull it into Koha. If we add it as a dep, it'll add a bunch of extra scripts that have the same namespace as scripts we provide but don't work the same way. |
| 21:44 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:46 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #214: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/214/ |
| 21:46 | mtompset: Bug 8834 - Call to C4::Context::preference fails to pass $self in Circulation.pm | |
| 21:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8834 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Call to C4::Context::preference fails to pass $self in Circulation.pm |
| 21:50 | gaetan_B left #koha | |
| 21:52 | rangi | http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]ellington-Harbour |
| 22:04 | bag | ah cool orcas are pretty neat |
| 22:12 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 22:12 | tcohen | Hi, need help on the meaning of a phrase |
| 22:12 | "Set the default start date for the Holds to pull list to" what 'pull' means in this context? | |
| 22:16 | edveal left #koha | |
| 22:17 | cait1 | htat's books on shelf you have to go and get |
| 22:17 | pull them off the shelf and return them to get the slip printed | |
| 22:18 | the report is on the circulation start page | |
| 22:18 | tcohen | oh, thanks cait1, I can now resume translating! |
| 22:18 | Holds-to-pull | |
| 22:18 | he, thanks again | |
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| 23:00 | drojf | that privacy list is going to be endless. if you enable socialnetworks you get even more cookies |
| 23:00 | rangi | yep |
| 23:00 | maximep left #koha | |
| 23:01 | jcamins_away | drojf: and Facebook. |
| 23:01 | wahanui | facebook is *not* a universal authenticator! |
| 23:01 | jcamins | lol |
| 23:01 | No it isn't. | |
| 23:01 | Have I commented recently how much I hate the Facebook integration? | |
| 23:01 | I use Facebook. | |
| 23:01 | drojf | rangi: the piwik iframe is pretty ugly but it seems to work. if you wonder why you get a million optins and outs from a german ip, that would be me testing things ;) |
| 23:02 | rangi | i liked it better when it was only enabled by cutting and pasting |
| 23:02 | jcamins | But when I look at a number of libraries' catalogs, those page views show up *on Facebook*. |
| 23:02 | Or, they did before you shared that Chrome plugin that blocks Facebook. | |
| 23:03 | drojf | the facebook thing in koha does not seem to do anything for me. does not load stuff from fb website, no cookie. or it hides behind the googleapis that i did not allow |
| 23:03 | cait1 | jcamins: what exactly is the facebook integration? it sounds scary |
| 23:04 | rangi | hm that was either wind or an earthquake |
| 23:04 | not sure yet | |
| 23:04 | jcamins | cait1: I don't know exactly how it worked. |
| 23:04 | And I've never actually enabled social networks to look at it. | |
| 23:04 | But the "Share on Facebook" button was stuck always-on. | |
| 23:04 | View a page => share on Facebook. | |
| 23:05 | cait1 | jcamins: 3345 bugs in your list now.... |
| 23:05 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]esc%2Cchangeddate | |
| 23:06 | jcamins | cait++ |
| 23:07 | drojf | goodness. google plus one brings 485 extra lines javascript |
| 23:09 | jcamins | Ooh, Raspberry Pis are now actually open source? |
| 23:09 | Cool! | |
| 23:12 | ibeardslee | some discussion about that .. not 100% completely |
| 23:12 | https://lwn.net/Articles/520930/ | |
| 23:15 | jcamins | Okay, now that I've read that, I don't understand what the difference is. |
| 23:16 | It sounds like a proprietary wireless card driver which is a bunch of source code shipped with a proprietary firmware. | |
| 23:16 | cait1 | you learn lots of interesting things reading the old bugs |
| 23:17 | sadly lots of cool features lost too over time | |
| 23:17 | jcamins | :( |
| 23:17 | ibeardslee | if I understand it correctly .. although the software to interact with the SoC is open source, the Soc itself is still closed |
| 23:17 | jcamins | We could revive some of them. |
| 23:17 | cait1 | we should |
| 23:18 | especially something like catmaintain - allowing to undo deletes of items and biblios | |
| 23:18 | and there used to be a page showing of new acq - we have different solutions now, but still sad | |
| 23:18 | and non marc cataloguing | |
| 23:18 | and simple acq | |
| 23:19 | eythian | oh, hai. |
| 23:19 | cait1 | hi eythian |
| 23:21 | drojf | ibeardslee: i first understood they opened everything until i read the comments on raspberrypi.org. given that the (still closed) video stuff is needed to boot the device there is not that much won from my point of view. i would like to have a way to boot completely free and run it headless so everything else regarding graphics could go to hell anyway |
| 23:24 | cait1 | jcamins: In >Catalog>Add a biblio : it would be nice to have a popup (a new window), to create new authority, without get out the biblio. |
| 23:24 | bug 828 - you made it possible for 3.10 again :) | |
| 23:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=828 enhancement, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, New authority |
| 23:24 | jcamins | cait1: yes, that's what the new authority button is for. :P |
| 23:24 | drojf | eythian: ich glaube orcas sind wale, keine haie :P |
| 23:24 | cait1 | heh |
| 23:25 | trying to teach him more germs? | |
| 23:25 | jcamins: seems like you only brought it back - it was there in 2004, apparently | |
| 23:25 | eythian | drojf: they are whales |
| 23:25 | jcamins | cait1: the button says "new authority" :P |
| 23:26 | * cait1 | goes back to reading old bugs :P |
| 23:33 | jcamins | cait1: are you closing them all one at a time? |
| 23:33 | cait1 | nope in batches |
| 23:33 | but taking a look at them, because it's interesting | |
| 23:33 | * drojf | slaps the socialnetworks 'feature' around with his tin foil hat |
| 23:34 | cait1 | lol |
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| 23:37 | jcamins | My bank wants to charge me $48/year to keep my "free" checking account. |
| 23:37 | drojf | sounds like a great deal |
| 23:38 | heh | |
| 23:41 | why is yuipath (Use the Yahoo UI libraries included with koha/from yahoos server) a staff client preference? isn't that relevant for opac too? | |
| 23:44 | cait1 | oh |
| 23:47 | drojf | wasn't there an option to use jquery from a third party server? i can't seem to find it |
| 23:48 | jcamins | drojf: yes, and no, respectively. |
| 23:49 | drojf | that's odd. but good ;) |
| 23:53 | mveron | Good night everybody :-) |
| 23:55 | drojf | the choices for the yuipath pref are "local" and "http://yui.yahooapis.com/2.5.1/build"? seriously? |
| 23:56 | cait1 | seems the german speaking community is awake late tonight |
| 23:56 | jcamins | drojf: no. |
| 23:56 | drojf: that's wrong. | |
| 23:56 | drojf: they are... | |
| 23:57 | "included with Koha..." and "from Yahoo's own servers" | |
| 23:57 | The value of the variable will be "local" or anything else, respectively. | |
| 23:59 | drojf | but that anything else is expressed by http://yui.yahooapis.com/2.5.1/build in the pref file ;) |
| 23:59 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 23:59 | Yes. |
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