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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | jcamins | Except that Plack returns a status of 200. |
| 00:00 | eythian | oh, not helpful. |
| 00:00 | jcamins | Nope. |
| 00:08 | drojf: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Starman_and_nginx | |
| 00:08 | drojf: also, why are you awake? | |
| 00:11 | wajasu | jcamins: i am looking to test bug 8823 |
| 00:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8823 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , CatalogModuleRelink Creates Multiple Links between Bib and Auth record ($9 RLIN) |
| 00:11 | jcamins | wajasu: it's 3.8.x only. |
| 00:11 | wajasu | so its fixed on master? |
| 00:12 | jcamins | No, it just doesn't happen on master. |
| 00:13 | wajasu | for someone moving from 3.0.1 to 3.10, is there a script that needs to run to remove "machine generated" duplicate authority records. (when on e had auto generate and do allow). |
| 00:13 | jcamins | No. |
| 00:13 | There is no script. | |
| 00:16 | wajasu | do we need a bug? and a script? for migrations. |
| 00:17 | jcamins | There's a bug, somewhere. |
| 00:18 | That's not getting fixed in 3.10, though. | |
| 00:19 | wajasu | i think my 3.0 lib has tons of auth dups. maybe generated each time a different biblio is catalogued for the same author. for names, and subj headings, etc. |
| 00:19 | jcamins | Certainly. |
| 00:20 | bug 7418 | |
| 00:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7418 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Add heading flipper script |
| 00:20 | jcamins | No. |
| 00:20 | bug 7419 | |
| 00:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7419 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add authority deduplication script |
| 00:20 | jcamins | There's the bug. |
| 00:20 | But it's not a candidate for 3.10. | |
| 00:21 | wajasu | to risky? |
| 00:21 | jcamins | Right. |
| 00:22 | melia left #koha | |
| 00:22 | jcamins | That's why you have the FirstMatch and LastMatch linker modules. |
| 00:22 | So you can work with a real-world authority file and not just an ideal one. | |
| 00:23 | wajasu | you mean one paid for/ subscribed from some outfit? |
| 00:23 | jcamins | Meh. They're rarely perfect, just better. |
| 00:25 | wajasu | if i wipe the auth records (all auto generated), and did some sort of touch all biblios (that used your linker, i think i would be in good shape). |
| 00:26 | jcamins | I am not sure there is a script for automatically regenerating all records. |
| 00:27 | I don't remember how low level touch_all_biblios.pl is. | |
| 00:27 | wajasu | i'll look it at. |
| 00:28 | jcamins | However, that's unnecessary for testing bug 8823. |
| 00:28 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8823 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , CatalogModuleRelink Creates Multiple Links between Bib and Auth record ($9 RLIN) |
| 00:28 | jcamins | Just create a new record with a new heading. |
| 00:28 | wajasu | but it would have to remove all the $9 rlin links, right ? |
| 00:28 | i think i have a handle on 8823. | |
| 00:28 | jcamins | No. |
| 00:29 | If you have a new record, it won't have any links to begin with. | |
| 00:29 | wajasu | are the $9 links inthe biblio marcxml? |
| 00:30 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 00:30 | Also in the marc. | |
| 00:30 | wajasu | so wouldn |
| 00:30 | jcamins | However, what is it you're trying to do? |
| 00:31 | wajasu | clean out all the autogenerated auth records. and reprocess the bibs, so they regen auth records without dups. |
| 00:31 | jcamins | Okay, why don't you just delete all the authority records then? |
| 00:33 | wajasu | ok. that makes sense. are the authority links in the 1) auth records, pointing to the biblio records OR 2) the biblio records contain links pointing to the auth records? |
| 00:33 | jcamins | 2. |
| 00:34 | wajasu | those are all $9RLIN fields, correct? |
| 00:34 | jcamins | Right. |
| 00:34 | wajasu | if i delete the auth records, don't i need to clean up the dangling $9 links? |
| 00:34 | or does your linker code do that for me? | |
| 00:35 | jcamins | Run link_bibs_to_authorities. |
| 00:35 | (after deleting the records) | |
| 00:35 | wajasu | well, thats the script i was looking for :) |
| 00:36 | so i don't need a dedup script, since all my auth recs were machine generated. | |
| 00:36 | jcamins | Ah. |
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| 00:40 | wajasu | new question: when an auth record is updated, does koha overwrite certain authority managed fields (names, subject headings), or add repeatable fields to enrich the biblio? |
| 00:40 | jcamins | It depends how you have the syspref dontmerge set. |
| 00:41 | wajasu | good answer. |
| 00:42 | i think i am going to do a test run, and see if whats on master has all the things my librarian is mift about. | |
| 00:42 | hopefully fixed. | |
| 00:47 | does the authority search popup, show all the possible matches including the "braoder_headings" ones? | |
| 00:47 | jcamins | No. |
| 00:47 | That would be equivalent to ignoring any user input after the first time they hit space. | |
| 00:49 | wajasu | when i do the migration, i need to run the remove_biblioitems script right after the webinstaller runs, correct? |
| 00:50 | jcamins | Around then, yes. |
| 00:51 | wajasu | i really, appreciate all the work you are doing with search, and the free advice. thanks. |
| 00:52 | jcamins | You're welcome. |
| 00:52 | eythian: can I specify multiple --keyring options for pbuilder? | |
| 00:53 | eythian | I don't know |
| 00:53 | jcamins | Nor do I. |
| 00:53 | I will experiment. | |
| 00:53 | eythian | though, you could combine the keys into a single keyring perhaps. |
| 00:53 | wajasu | FYI: another up and coming indexer: sphinx - http://sphinxsearch.com/docs/1[…]/ref-indexer.html |
| 00:54 | but i am hopeful that ICU is coming along. | |
| 00:54 | jcamins | Nice thing about having a fast system with lots of RAM and a good internet connection: it probably doesn't matter if it takes a while. |
| 00:56 | eythian | The keyring option passes on to debootstrap I think, if that's helpful. |
| 00:57 | wajasu | note: the sphinx - maintains the "full index" like zebra would, and also keeps a small recent index that is quick and runs sub minute, and queries go against the both indexes, i believe. |
| 00:58 | jcamins | Right now I'm trying it without the keyring for debian.k-c.org, since I'm not actually sure I'm configuring the pbuilder environment correctly. |
| 00:59 | Looks like it's working. | |
| 01:00 | Though, you said you build packages against wheezy, didn't you? | |
| 01:01 | eythian | my pbuilder env is, yeah. |
| 01:01 | I should change that, and have two running for testing purposes. | |
| 01:03 | jcamins | I'm going to continue building against squeeze. |
| 01:03 | eythian | OK |
| 01:04 | * jcamins | knew you were waiting with bated breath to hear what he was doing. |
| 01:04 | eythian | you're testing my koha-shell command! |
| 01:04 | :) | |
| 01:05 | jcamins | No, right now I'm setting up my new development server. |
| 01:08 | Ugh. | |
| 01:08 | 251MB. | |
| 01:08 | Uploading this is not going to work. | |
| 01:21 | user110 | new dev server? |
| 01:21 | sun server? | |
| 01:22 | jcamins | user110: no, I set up a server for RMing which I'll be using to push to the sun server. |
| 01:22 | user110 | ic |
| 01:22 | jcamins | user110: why "user110"? |
| 01:22 | user110 | at home |
| 01:22 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 01:22 | eythian | 000-109 were taken? |
| 01:22 | jcamins | Shouldn't you be doing something... not involving #koha? |
| 01:23 | rambutan | actually I just installed viking gps a couple of nights ago--I'm playing with it |
| 01:23 | and this is what I do for fun anyway lots of the time | |
| 01:24 | * jcamins | will wandering off for dinner and Star Trek in a few minutes. |
| 01:24 | jcamins | Shari got home about ten minutes ago. |
| 01:25 | rambutan | I have some vague notion that Shari works in a library? |
| 01:25 | jcamins | Nope. Actually she's been extra-ing a lot recently. |
| 01:25 | (for TV shows, ads, that sort of thing) | |
| 01:26 | rambutan | extra-ing? actress? |
| 01:26 | ic | |
| 01:28 | jcamins | She's not an actress, generally speaking. She decided to try extraing to see what it was like, and has been really enjoying it. |
| 01:30 | rambutan | I was in a couple of Korean movies and Korean TV ads. It was interesting. |
| 01:32 | eythian | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0790724/ <-- and you can end up like the famous Alexander Rhodes, ranking above Tom Cruise. |
| 01:35 | rambutan | I might actually have to go see that. |
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| 02:40 | eythian | wahanui: all movements are targets in the minds of tigers. |
| 02:40 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
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| 04:12 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 04:28 | wajasu | hi |
| 04:29 | * wajasu | migrating 3.0 to master |
| 04:30 | loaded db, ran webinstaller, ran remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl | |
| 04:50 | cait joined #koha | |
| 04:51 | mtompset | Shouldn't you run that script BEFORE the webinstaller? |
| 04:51 | I'm just asking. I don't know. | |
| 04:51 | Greetings, cait. | |
| 04:52 | cait | hi mtompset |
| 04:52 | mtompset | 5 hours to till the meeting. |
| 04:52 | (roughly) | |
| 04:54 | cait | yeah |
| 04:54 | soon... | |
| 04:56 | vimal joined #koha | |
| 04:59 | vimal joined #koha | |
| 05:04 | mtompset | Greetings, vimal! |
| 05:04 | Glad to see you figured out how to get here. :) | |
| 05:09 | I guess he's got a bad internet connection. :( | |
| 05:18 | sophie_m joined #koha | |
| 05:25 | cait | morning sophie_m - up early :) |
| 05:26 | sophie_m | Hello cait, so do you :-) |
| 05:27 | today i'm a working from home so computer is on early, but I am not really ready | |
| 05:27 | rangi | lucky no webcam then!! :) |
| 05:28 | evening all | |
| 05:28 | BobB | hi rangi, good evening everyone |
| 05:30 | cait | hi all :) |
| 05:30 | sophie_m: same for me - still at home | |
| 05:30 | and not ready :) | |
| 05:31 | BobB | I have a question ... |
| 05:32 | A librarian has noted that in Circulation, you can check out only by bar code (which is true). She wants to be able to check out by Title. Any comments? | |
| 05:33 | I think the situation is that the patron is on the phone, and the librarian wants to check the book out and mail it to the patron. She may not have the item to hand. | |
| 05:33 | rangi | would need significant amount of work |
| 05:33 | cait | I think by title would be quite dangerous |
| 05:34 | rangi | title is not stored at item level |
| 05:34 | cait | why not search for the right item and place it in the cart? then print a list? |
| 05:34 | or put a hold on it with the search for hold feature from the patron account? | |
| 05:34 | rangi | we would have to slow circ down by checking the marc |
| 05:34 | and as we all know title is not unique | |
| 05:34 | cait | there are lots of books with similar or the same title even but different content, I think it would be difficult to get the right one |
| 05:35 | rangi | (not even thinking about mulitple copies of the same thing, but often 2 distinct books have the same title) |
| 05:35 | BobB | Yes cait, if a bib had two items, you could check one out and send the other to the patron, very easily I would think. |
| 05:36 | yes rangi, I see that too. | |
| 05:36 | cait | what if they have different itemtypes? |
| 05:36 | rangi | yep, what circ rules to apply |
| 05:36 | BobB | wow! |
| 05:36 | cait | which would the system choose? |
| 05:36 | BobB | So I could argue to her that it is not usual practice, and has a number of risks |
| 05:36 | rangi | yep |
| 05:37 | cait | I think I would just open 2 tabs if she wants to do that - one for circ and one for the search and then search my tittles and copy the barcodes over |
| 05:37 | rangi | and would slow circulation down |
| 05:37 | so would be unlikely to ever be accepted as a feature | |
| 05:37 | so would have to be a locally maintained mod | |
| 05:37 | BobB | Thank you both, that's been incredibly useful. Glad I asked. |
| 05:38 | rangi | (koha couldnt know if something was a barcode or title) |
| 05:38 | so would have to search both | |
| 05:38 | BobB | We don't do locally maintained mods. Cait's idea of two tabs is a winner, in my mind. |
| 05:38 | rangi | yep |
| 05:38 | cait | suggesting some workarounds |
| 05:38 | rangi | @quote get 123 |
| 05:38 | huginn | rangi: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 05:39 | BobB | Very cool. Thank you. |
| 05:40 | cait | BobB: we got the meeting today - but I guess it's too late for Australia? |
| 05:41 | BobB | No, we hope to be there. |
| 05:41 | rangi | earlier than here :) |
| 05:41 | cait | ah right :) |
| 05:41 | how much time difference is it between australia and nz? | |
| 05:41 | BobB | We have to go and visit a young lady in hospital, but hope to be back on time. |
| 05:42 | rangi are you on daylight saving there? | |
| 05:42 | Its been two hours, but is it three now? | |
| 05:42 | Or one? which way is the world spinning? | |
| 05:42 | rangi | yep |
| 05:42 | 11pm for us | |
| 05:42 | BobB | Ok, so its still two hours difference. Cool. |
| 05:42 | cait | ah |
| 05:46 | * magnuse | waves |
| 05:47 | magnuse | jcamins++ for documenting his plack/starman/nginx findings on the wiki |
| 05:48 | cait | mrning magnuse :) |
| 05:48 | another early bird :) | |
| 05:48 | magnuse | yup |
| 05:48 | i'll not insist on getting any of the worms, though | |
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| 05:50 | cait | magnuse: you ate frog, now you refuse the worms? ;) |
| 05:51 | magnuse | sure! |
| 05:53 | cait | picky! |
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| 05:55 | magnuse | yup |
| 06:05 | yay for 191 developers! | |
| 06:09 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:14 | cait | guten morgen alex_a :) |
| 06:19 | alex_a | guten morgen cait :) |
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| 06:40 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 06:40 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 10.9°C (8:40 AM CEST on October 10, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:40 | magnuse | meeting in ~ 3 hours and 20 minutes, right? |
| 06:41 | cait | yep |
| 06:41 | getting nervous! | |
| 06:42 | we should recruit some more bug wranglers | |
| 06:42 | * cait | eyes magnuse again |
| 06:42 | * magnuse | ducks |
| 06:44 | mtompset | bug wranglers? |
| 06:44 | What's the job description? | |
| 06:44 | magnuse | well, there isn't really one |
| 06:45 | but it's basically keeping an eye on bugzilla | |
| 06:45 | look out for duplicates | |
| 06:45 | encourage people to sign off etc | |
| 06:45 | do the occasional cleaning, marking bugs resolved | |
| 06:46 | or at least that's my take on it | |
| 06:46 | encourage people to take part in global bug squashing days | |
| 06:46 | mveron++ for volunteering as wrangler | |
| 06:47 | cait | mtompset: it's les formal than some other roles I would say |
| 06:47 | magnuse | definitely |
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| 06:48 | mtompset | Well, Vimal was here earlier. I know he hopes to attend the meeting today. |
| 06:49 | cait | have to run bbl |
| 06:49 | mtompset | I hope is internet connectivity is good enough. |
| 06:54 | drojf | jcamins++ # nifty plack stuff |
| 06:55 | reiveune joined #koha | |
| 06:55 | drojf | jcamins_away: also, as you may have figuered out by now, i wasn't awake ;) |
| 06:55 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:55 | drojf | good day #koha |
| 06:59 | rangi | hi drojf, reiveune, magnuse |
| 06:59 | drojf | hi rangi |
| 06:59 | magnuse | kia ora rangi |
| 06:59 | reiveune | :) |
| 07:11 | kf joined #koha | |
| 07:11 | kf | hi #koha |
| 07:12 | gaetan_B joined #koha | |
| 07:12 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:12 | wahanui | niihau, gaetan_B |
| 07:14 | rangi | hi gaetan_B and kf |
| 07:16 | kf | hi rangi :) |
| 07:16 | rangi | http://stats.workbuffer.org/gitbuilder/ |
| 07:16 | now when tests fail that will automatically git bisect to find the commit | |
| 07:17 | mtj: you about? | |
| 07:17 | drojf | hi kf |
| 07:18 | kf | hi drojf |
| 07:18 | drojf: bug wrangler? :) | |
| 07:22 | laurence joined #koha | |
| 07:22 | kf | .... and he is bug wrangling again... that norwegian developer... |
| 07:24 | rangi | magnuse++ |
| 07:26 | drojf | kf: should really be doing more uni, less playing with koha, so i'd prefer to not label myself bug wrangler. will have a look at the bugtracker anyway ;) |
| 07:26 | kf | you will end up doing it anyway |
| 07:27 | so why not have a nice and shiny label? ;) | |
| 07:27 | * mtompset | grins, "I like the way you think, kf." |
| 07:27 | rangi | hmmm |
| 07:27 | reiveune: are you on the main koha list? | |
| 07:28 | reiveune | rangi: mmmh , good question |
| 07:28 | * kf | got lots of mails in french - someone on vacation maybe? |
| 07:28 | drojf | yes, answering every mail |
| 07:28 | reiveune | koha devel, yes |
| 07:28 | kf | I got 4 |
| 07:29 | drojf | i got 3 |
| 07:29 | rangi | yeah |
| 07:29 | drojf | so there is more coming ;) |
| 07:29 | kf | hm I got one from the postmaster and 3 fromthe person |
| 07:29 | drojf | ah yes there was another one |
| 07:30 | rangi | reiveune: Je suis actuellement en formation jusqu'en mai 2013. |
| 07:30 | Merci de bien vouloir adresser votre demande à l'adresse suivante : | |
| 07:30 | cefedemcefedem-rhonealpes.org |
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| 07:30 | someone doing trainign until may 2013 ? | |
| 07:30 | * rangi | will switch them to nomail if that is true |
| 07:30 | drojf | that will be a lot of emails |
| 07:31 | reiveune | i need to go |
| 07:31 | bye | |
| 07:31 | reiveune left #koha | |
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| 07:31 | * magnuse | was mostly generating some numbers for http://div.libriotech.no/kohachange/ - a little something that tracks the changes since last time it was run, just for fun |
| 07:31 | rangi | cool |
| 07:31 | darn | |
| 07:31 | kf | hm? |
| 07:31 | rangi | hmmm, gaetan_B you speak french right |
| 07:31 | hehe | |
| 07:32 | kf | google translate?:) |
| 07:32 | rangi | yep, it is trainig until may 2013 |
| 07:32 | according to google | |
| 07:32 | right nomail it is | |
| 07:34 | gaetan_B | rangi: yes, i do what is it ? |
| 07:35 | rangi | scrollback i pasted some french in the channel |
| 07:35 | gaetan_B | i haven't seen a french email coming on the lists... |
| 07:35 | kf | gaetan_B: you will get plenty when you happen to answer an email there :) |
| 07:35 | rangi | it seems to only be sent to ppl who email the main koha list |
| 07:35 | ;) | |
| 07:35 | mib_y3tnsg | hello to everyone |
| 07:35 | rangi | google translate tells me it says they will be away until may 2013, just wanted to check that was really what it said |
| 07:36 | gaetan_B | oh yes i saw the above message, that's what it's aying yes, i guess they should be redirected, if we don't have a way to reach this peron before may 2013 :d |
| 07:36 | (i hadn't looked higher before...) | |
| 07:37 | rangi | thanks |
| 07:38 | drojf | hmm. berlin wants to have "free" wifi in the city. done by private companies. paid by either ads or user data ("like facebook"). great :( not that there is freifunk which is a free grassroots movement, but THEY (and every other citizen) get prevented from sharing wifi by judges making them accountable for everything that happens over an unencrypted network. of course we can deregulate that for companies to make money |
| 07:39 | berlin-- | |
| 07:40 | mtompset | I just read "User management: Koha manages your users, including integration with systems like LDAP, Radius, Active Directory and SAML, to allow single sign-on." (http://onl.org.nz/koha-features) ... does anyone know about this SAML stuff? |
| 07:41 | mib_y3tnsg | do you know if the koha can be updated without problems from version 3.04 to 3.8.5 stable, backing up first mysql and then restore it in the 3.8.5 stable version without problems? |
| 07:42 | mtompset | mib_y3tnsg: There's a script to run, can't recall the name of it... How did you install 3.8.5? What OS are you using? |
| 07:43 | I would rather recommend exporting all the MARC from the old version, and reimporting it. It's less technical. | |
| 07:43 | mib_y3tnsg | I have debian |
| 07:43 | rangi | yep you have to have a saml server set up |
| 07:43 | mtj | mib_y3tnsg, short answer… yes :) |
| 07:44 | rangi | saml is a pita |
| 07:44 | mtompset | Let's say I have saml set up. |
| 07:44 | (which I think I do) | |
| 07:44 | How do I authenticate/log in with it? | |
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| 07:45 | mib_y3tnsg | I haven't install yet 3.8.5, I just want first to learn if there is any problem with mysql |
| 07:45 | drojf | mtompset mib_y3tnsg exporting all marc does not really help with settings, user data etc |
| 07:45 | rangi | saml sets a cookie, you have to check that, its similar to the X509 stuff |
| 07:46 | mtompset | Is there a patch for Koha to do this? |
| 07:46 | rangi | mtompset: no |
| 07:46 | because its not a general thingy | |
| 07:46 | its different depending on your saml implementation | |
| 07:46 | mtompset | Neither is LDAP or CAS. ;) |
| 07:46 | rangi | both of those are far more general |
| 07:47 | and have standards that people actually adhere too | |
| 07:48 | mtompset | So the SAML integration was a custome one off? |
| 07:48 | drojf | mib_y3tnsg: importing into 3.8.5 should be working. you need to run remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl afterwards and i think |
| 07:48 | rangi | i think 3 different ones |
| 07:49 | why? | |
| 07:49 | mib_y3tnsg | <mtompset>: Can you post a link of it? |
| 07:49 | mtompset | I have to figure out how to do SAML for us. :) |
| 07:49 | debian? | |
| 07:49 | wahanui | debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that |
| 07:49 | mtompset | packages? |
| 07:49 | wahanui | somebody said packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 07:49 | mtompset | mib_y3tnsg: I'd following those instructions. |
| 07:50 | (since you are using Debian) | |
| 07:50 | rangi | https://code.google.com/p/modmellon/ |
| 07:50 | has a deb | |
| 07:52 | mtompset | But Koha is a service provider... the mod_mellon interacts with the IdP for the apache requests? |
| 07:52 | rangi | yep |
| 07:52 | and it sets env vars | |
| 07:52 | that koha can use to see if a user is authenticated | |
| 07:53 | mib_y3tnsg | http://kohageek.pbworks.com/w/[…]/31795398/upgrade This guide, is it correct to follow? |
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| 07:54 | mtompset | No, mib_y3tnsg. |
| 07:54 | rangi | no |
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| 07:57 | mtompset | So, then, rangi... how does an upgrade work? Did you have to modify Auth.pm? |
| 07:57 | rangi | nope cos the x509 stuff deals with env vars |
| 07:59 | mib_y3tnsg | so,is there a correct guide to follow in update koha and also keep the database as it is after the update? |
| 08:00 | mtompset | packages? |
| 08:00 | wahanui | rumour has it packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 08:01 | mtompset | Koha is pretty smart about not blowing away data. |
| 08:01 | Install the packages according to these instructions (since you probably used an ancient LiveCD) | |
| 08:01 | and then run the script it tells you while installing. | |
| 08:02 | That's my suggestion. | |
| 08:02 | mib_y3tnsg | <mtompset> ok, thanks |
| 08:03 | drojf | you're missing the point where the old data gets magically inserted into that installation. |
| 08:05 | mtompset | Right... because the DB isn't going to be called koha_<instance name> |
| 08:05 | Thanks for pointing that out, drojf. | |
| 08:06 | After doing the koha-create command, you'll need to copy the data from the old DB into the new one. | |
| 08:07 | mib_y3tnsg | <mtompset> the script that you said before, that i have to run it while installing, is it appear during installing the new version or simultaneously run it with installation. The script you said, where can i find it? |
| 08:07 | mtompset | once you do the "sudo apt-get install koha-common" |
| 08:08 | at some point in time a screen saying something about upgrading from 3.2 to 3.4 run a script. | |
| 08:08 | mib_y3tnsg | ok |
| 08:08 | drojf | (09:46:55) drojf: mib_y3tnsg: importing into 3.8.5 should be working. you need to run remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl afterwards and i think |
| 08:08 | that script | |
| 08:08 | mtompset | if he does a packages install the script is named differently. |
| 08:08 | drojf | oh. it is? |
| 08:09 | mtompset | koha-upgrade-to-3.4 |
| 08:09 | Had to look it up. | |
| 08:09 | rangi | the script is the same |
| 08:09 | mtompset | Yes, but named differently. :) |
| 08:09 | rangi | the packages just have that one as well, which does the remove items |
| 08:10 | and then rebuilds zebra | |
| 08:10 | no, not named differently | |
| 08:10 | as well as | |
| 08:10 | mtompset | oh, okay. |
| 08:10 | * mtompset | points at rangi, "Expert!" |
| 08:10 | mtompset | Librarian colleague having issues... got to go deal with them. |
| 08:18 | mib_y3tnsg | the upgrade would be in steps? for example, from 3.0 to 3.2 and then 3.2 to 3.4 and then 3.4 to 3.6 and finally 3.6 to 3.8 or can I upgrade from 3.0 to 3.8 at once? |
| 08:22 | kf | reminder - good idea :) |
| 08:27 | gaetan_B | kf: tell me what you think... in tables presenting items, the location is usually displayed under the homebranch. I tend to think it would make more sense to have it under the holdingbranch. Or do you see a reason why it wouldn't ? |
| 08:28 | kf | hm |
| 08:28 | we can not be sure the location exists at the holdingbranch | |
| 08:28 | I would think homebranch is the right one | |
| 08:28 | does it display both now? :( | |
| 08:29 | gaetan_B | my idea is that if the item is not located in it's homebranch, then the homebranch location doesn't make sense |
| 08:29 | to the user | |
| 08:29 | kf | what I thin is that a library getting the book from another library is not going to change the location to their own - because it will be sent back once the hold has been filled |
| 08:29 | gaetan_B | and the holdingbranch might/would have locations on it's own |
| 08:29 | kf | it might be different for floating collections - but I think most of the time it will get sent back |
| 08:30 | gaetan_B | i see, it depends on the usage indeed |
| 08:32 | kf | yeah, I think it's one of those 123 cases |
| 08:34 | drojf | mib_y3tnsg: what i would try: do an installation of koha-common (3.8.5) like described on the wiki. create an instance (koha create <instancename>), open the staff client and run the web installer. when that is finished, try to import your sql dump into that new instance. the instance and the database user will be named koha_<instancename>, so if you did "koha-create koha", it is called koha_koha. so you would do "mysql -u koha_koha -p koha_koha < myda |
| 08:34 | gaetan_B | hrmmf i'm not really satisfied with this, but i don't see myself asking for one more syspref just to cover this... |
| 08:36 | kf | gaetan_B: yeah :( |
| 08:36 | gaetan_B | maybe i could do some javascript to move it around |
| 08:36 | kf | I think you could |
| 08:36 | and if it does not work well, add id's | |
| 08:36 | well classes | |
| 08:36 | because we have more than one location in an item table, but the same :) | |
| 08:36 | gaetan_B | actually there are classes already :) |
| 08:36 | kf | :) |
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| 08:37 | kf | good morning paul_p |
| 08:37 | gaetan_B | it's a span with class"shelvingloc" |
| 08:37 | and the td also have classes, so i'll give it a shot | |
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| 08:44 | monirul | hello |
| 08:44 | wahanui | hey, monirul |
| 08:45 | monirul | I have installed koha 3.8 in debian squeeze |
| 08:46 | Our library is now using libsys(LsPremia) | |
| 08:46 | kf | hi monirul |
| 08:46 | I don't know the system - where are you from? | |
| 08:46 | monirul | from Kolkata India |
| 08:47 | kf | ah nice, I am from germany |
| 08:47 | brb | |
| 08:47 | monirul | great |
| 08:47 | can you assist me to migrate data from libsys to koha | |
| 08:48 | second thing is how can i delete all catalogue record | |
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| 08:49 | mib_y3tnsg | <drojf> do you know if is there any problem with incompatibilty in database? |
| 08:50 | monirul | libsys uses oracle |
| 08:51 | but it is not possible to find out the linkages between the tables | |
| 08:51 | mveron | Hi #koha |
| 08:52 | drojf | monirul: a complete data migration from one system to another is nothing that people here will be able to walk you through here on irc. all help here is done by volunteers donating there time for free. you may consider asking on the mailing list of someone has experience with migrating from the system you are using or ask one of the support companies to do it for you (as a paid service). if you choose to do it yourself it might be a lot of work. it is d |
| 08:53 | cjh | Hi mveron |
| 08:53 | mveron | Hi cjh |
| 08:53 | drojf | mib_y3tnsg: the upgrade schema and upgrade to 3.4 stuff should take care of that |
| 08:53 | hi mveron | |
| 08:53 | mveron | hi drojf |
| 08:54 | * mveron | would like to see drojf as co-bugwrangler :-) |
| 08:55 | kf | drojf: see, mveron supports me :) |
| 08:55 | * magnuse | too |
| 08:55 | kf | mveron: I have been trying to persuade magnuse too.... but he is being stubborn :) |
| 08:55 | mveron | kf: Of course :-) |
| 08:56 | ... I mean supporting... | |
| 08:56 | drojf | i'll do it if magnuse does it :P |
| 08:56 | cjh | heh |
| 08:56 | kf | hi cjh :) |
| 08:56 | magnuse | gah |
| 08:56 | but i won't have time to contribute much... | |
| 08:56 | cjh | kf: hey kf :) |
| 08:57 | drojf | magnuse: same for me |
| 08:57 | kf | I think if you keep what you are doing now it should be fine |
| 08:57 | keep doing | |
| 08:58 | * mveron | would feel better in a bug wranglr team... |
| 08:58 | drojf | are you the only one right now? |
| 08:59 | magnuse | gah, sign me up then |
| 08:59 | mveron | drojf: I suppose so |
| 08:59 | kf | yay! |
| 08:59 | cjh | awesome :) |
| 09:00 | mveron | magnuse ++ |
| 09:00 | drojf | guess i'm in then too ;) |
| 09:00 | kf | magnuse++ and drojf++ |
| 09:00 | mveron | drojf ++ |
| 09:00 | kf | yep you are |
| 09:00 | magnuse | drojf: yay! |
| 09:00 | drojf | :) |
| 09:01 | i consider mveron the bug wrangler manager i can hide behind if i don't have time :P | |
| 09:02 | gaetan_B | in marc21, does the statement of responsibility in 245c contain all the responsibilities ? |
| 09:02 | or just the main responsibility ? | |
| 09:03 | kf | hm I think it's repeatable - maybe look at the examples in the documentation? |
| 09:04 | http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd260.html | |
| 09:04 | drojf | loc says "First statement of responsibility and/or remaining data in the field that has not been subfielded by one of the other subfield codes." |
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| 09:04 | kf | oh |
| 09:04 | I am in the wrong field | |
| 09:04 | oups | |
| 09:05 | I totally misread, ignore me | |
| 09:05 | drojf | heh you confused me |
| 09:05 | kf | sorry :) |
| 09:05 | http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd245.html | |
| 09:05 | I was working with 260 yesterday, guess they are still stuck in my brain | |
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| 09:08 | vfernandes | hi Koha community :D |
| 09:08 | cjh | hey vfernandes |
| 09:08 | vfernandes | i need your help to build one report if it's possible |
| 09:09 | the report needs to list the items which the library was changed | |
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| 09:11 | mtompset | Has anyone here experienced the item section of for new acquisitions from an external source being empty with no add/clear? |
| 09:11 | vfernandes | for example the cataloguer changes the holdingbranch or the homebranch the item will appear in the report |
| 09:12 | kf | mtompset: and your quantity is not writeable? |
| 09:12 | vfernandes: I am not sure if items has a timestamp | |
| 09:12 | vfernandes: or if the catalogueing logs if turned on wouuld notice the change | |
| 09:12 | mtompset | I don't know. |
| 09:13 | kf | you will have to dig and test a bit maybe |
| 09:14 | vfernandes | the action log saves the operation but through it I can't say if the change was a library change |
| 09:14 | that's my problem | |
| 09:15 | kf | if you want to know if the branch has been changed |
| 09:16 | I think you have to check if you can get that from the cataloguing logs | |
| 09:16 | the log has to be activated in the system preference | |
| 09:16 | ah, but if you already checked, then their might be no way currently | |
| 09:17 | vimal | Hi All I am vimal , I am here to discuss about release of Koha Live CD |
| 09:18 | mtompset | Greetings, vimal. |
| 09:18 | vimal | Thank u |
| 09:18 | mtompset | Welcome.. The meeting is in another 40 minutes. |
| 09:18 | vimal | ic |
| 09:18 | I came early !! | |
| 09:18 | mtompset | Early is good. |
| 09:18 | kf | it's 40 minutes to the meeting :) |
| 09:19 | vimal | I will wait |
| 09:19 | drojf | Letters.pm says "# If we have any attachments we should encode then into the body." -- what attachments would koha send? |
| 09:19 | mtompset | You can get to know the other major Koha contributors and solutions to various problems while waiting. :) |
| 09:20 | vimal | ok |
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| 09:21 | mtompset | For example, jcamins_away (he'll probably come back just before the meeting) is the proposed release manager for 3.12 |
| 09:22 | kf | drojf: overdues has an attachement sent to the library when there are no email addresses for the patrons |
| 09:22 | so you can use that to mail them | |
| 09:22 | mtompset | kf is the proposed Quality Assurance Manager for 3.12 |
| 09:22 | kf | drojf: and the cart and lists send attachements I think - at leat the cart does |
| 09:23 | drojf | ah i see. thanks kf |
| 09:24 | mtompset | mtj is up for Installation Documentation Manager and a role on the Quality Assurance Team. |
| 09:24 | vfernandes | thanks kf anyway for the help ;) |
| 09:25 | mtompset | eythian is the guy that packages everything up nicely for the koha-common packages. |
| 09:25 | VM Manager? | |
| 09:25 | What role is that? | |
| 09:27 | anyways... all will make sense in 30 minutes or so. :) | |
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| 09:27 | cjh | :) |
| 09:30 | mtompset | Such a dramatic exit. :) |
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| 09:34 | kf | mtompset? |
| 09:34 | wahanui | mtompset is disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs. |
| 09:35 | mtompset | No, can't change the quantity as far as I know. |
| 09:35 | I was just trying to look at the template file. | |
| 09:37 | kf | maybe a js error |
| 09:37 | ? | |
| 09:37 | mtompset | Not sure... |
| 09:37 | because somehow it works on my QA system, but not my live. | |
| 09:38 | So, I need to figure out what the difference is. | |
| 09:38 | kf | accreateitem setting? |
| 09:38 | acq framework not having fields? | |
| 09:40 | mtompset | acq framework has fields. |
| 09:40 | and both place an order | |
| 09:41 | kf | check for javascript errors? |
| 09:41 | and has it a 952 with some subfields? | |
| 09:41 | mtompset | how? |
| 09:41 | kf | firebug |
| 09:41 | mtompset | Hmm... |
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| 09:42 | mtompset | have to look up what he was trying to do. |
| 09:44 | You have to be kidding me! I blame Firefox. :P | |
| 09:44 | I did what he did and it worked for me. | |
| 09:45 | I just checked the about Firefox, and now it's downloading a new version. | |
| 09:45 | Greetings, oleonard! :) | |
| 09:46 | oleonard | Firefox's about Firefox is like Schroedinger's cat |
| 09:47 | mtompset | It's alive and dead simultaneously? |
| 09:48 | oleonard | Observing it changes its state |
| 09:49 | mtompset | I'm about to restart firefox... here comes a bump! |
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| 09:50 | mtompset | Greetings again, #koha. |
| 09:50 | So, kf, you might be on to something. | |
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| 09:51 | mtompset | Because it seems strange... item appears empty, and expands to be full after. |
| 09:51 | cjh | is there a wiki page somewhere on what 'bug wrangling' entails? |
| 09:51 | mtompset | if that is triggered by java script, then perhaps there is a javascript error. |
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| 09:52 | kf | cjh: not a formal page no - magnuse explained a bit earlier today |
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| 09:53 | cjh | ahh ty, how do I volunteer? |
| 09:53 | mtompset | Greetings, tcohen. |
| 09:54 | mveron | cjh: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/3_4_Bug_Wrangler |
| 09:54 | tcohen | hi mtompset |
| 09:54 | kf | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]2-10-10#i_1100065 |
| 09:54 | cjh: you can put your name on the wiki | |
| 09:54 | roles? | |
| 09:54 | roles for 3.12? | |
| 09:54 | mveron | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.12 |
| 09:54 | kf | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.12 |
| 09:54 | mveron | :-) |
| 09:55 | mtompset | "ask for automated testing whenever possible. " --- that sounds like jcamins_away. ;) |
| 09:55 | cjh | mveron: kf thanks :) |
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| 09:56 | magnuse | yay for automated testing! |
| 09:57 | mtompset | i'm tempted to write a "click every link once" test. |
| 09:57 | magnuse | mtompset: that could be done! |
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| 09:58 | mtompset | And it would be useful too. |
| 09:58 | There are a surprising number of "silent warnings" flooding error logs that could be caught. | |
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| 09:58 | mtompset | By the way, who is the moderator of the meeting? |
| 09:59 | I thought Brooke is travelling. | |
| 09:59 | druthb | Brooke is traveling, yes. |
| 10:00 | kf | I can do it |
| 10:00 | if it's ok? | |
| 10:00 | rangi | kf++ |
| 10:00 | oleonard | Thanks kf |
| 10:00 | druthb | kf++ |
| 10:00 | magnuse | kf++ |
| 10:00 | mveron | kf ++ |
| 10:00 | talljoy | kf++ |
| 10:00 | cjh | I think that is a yes :) |
| 10:00 | tajoli | kf+ |
| 10:00 | kf | just give me a sec to open the needed windows and close some :) |
| 10:00 | mtompset | kf++ |
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| 10:01 | drojf | cool it's meeting time and my wifi gets crazy again :D |
| 10:01 | mtompset | +1 for kf moderating. :) |
| 10:01 | kf | ok, I am ready :) |
| 10:01 | #startmeeting | |
| 10:01 | wahanui | if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
| 10:01 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Oct 10 10:01:54 2012 UTC. The chair is kf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 10:01 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | |
| 10:02 | kf | Welcome to today's Koha IRC meeting |
| 10:02 | everyone please introduce yourself with #intro followed by your name | |
| 10:02 | ah sec | |
| 10:02 | #topic Introductions | |
| 10:02 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 10:02 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions | |
| 10:02 | kf | and #info... |
| 10:02 | wahanui | i heard #info was it not important to remember that there should not be 2 Koha conferences in the same financial year. So KohaCon13 would need to be after July 2013 |
| 10:02 | druthb | #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater |
| 10:02 | talljoy | #intro Joy Nelson, ByWater Solutions |
| 10:03 | rangi | #info Chris Cormack, Catatlyst IT, NZ |
| 10:03 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 10:03 | kf | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany |
| 10:03 | drojf | # info Mirko Tietgen, mostly Koha hobbyist, HU Berlin |
| 10:03 | tajoli | #intro Zeno Tajoli, CILEA, Italy |
| 10:03 | cjh | #intro Chris Hall, Catalyst IT, NZ |
| 10:03 | mveron | #info Marc Véron, marc veron ag (www.veron.ch), Allschwil, Switzerland, member of Koha Support Schweiz |
| 10:03 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
| 10:03 | vimal | Vimal from India |
| 10:03 | magnuse | #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 10:03 | bgkriegel | #info bgkriegel, Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Córdoba, Argentina |
| 10:03 | ColinC | #info Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe Ltd, UK |
| 10:03 | mtompset | #info Mark Tompsett, Canadian in the Philippines. :) |
| 10:03 | mtj | #info Mason James, NZ |
| 10:03 | davidnind | #info David Nind, Wellington, NZ |
| 10:03 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Córdoba, Argentina |
| 10:03 | paul_p_ | #info Paul POULAIN, BibLibre, France |
| 10:03 | kf | I would also like to encourage people who are not listed on the page yet to add their names to the roles for later election |
| 10:04 | drojf | like kf for chair? :) |
| 10:04 | mtompset | Psst... vimal, you need to start with #info first. |
| 10:04 | kf | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.12 |
| 10:04 | cjh | so should I have used #info rather than #intro ? |
| 10:04 | kf | the agenda for today's meeting is at |
| 10:04 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…],_10_October_2012 | |
| 10:04 | druthb | yes, cjh. |
| 10:04 | cjh | #info Chris Hall, Catalyst IT, NZ |
| 10:04 | mtj | #info Vimal from India |
| 10:04 | talljoy | #info Joy Nelson ByWater |
| 10:05 | slef | #info MJ Ray, software.coop, Norfolk, England |
| 10:05 | kf | cjh: sorry for misinformation :) |
| 10:05 | BobB | # info Bob Birchall, CALYX - sorry I'm late |
| 10:05 | cjh | kf: heh np :) |
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| 10:05 | kf | I will give it one more minute for people to show up |
| 10:06 | please use the time to add your names ;) | |
| 10:06 | tajoli | #info Zeno Tajoli, CILEA, Italy |
| 10:06 | vimal | #infovimal |
| 10:07 | #info vimal | |
| 10:07 | kf | ok :) |
| 10:07 | let's move on to voting | |
| 10:07 | #topic Vote on Roles for 3.12 | |
| 10:07 | Topic for #koha is now Vote on Roles for 3.12 | |
| 10:07 | kf | Is there any preference in the sequence of voting? |
| 10:08 | rangi | easiest just to work from top to bottom down the page |
| 10:08 | kf | yeah, jcamins_away around? |
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| 10:08 | paul_p__ | and my wifi goes grazy too... |
| 10:08 | rangi | doesn't need to be here, unless he wants to suddenly withdraw :) |
| 10:08 | kf | right, better he is not here then :) |
| 10:09 | ok, please indicate your vote with +1 0 or -1 | |
| 10:09 | druthb | :P |
| 10:09 | kf | that ok for everyone? |
| 10:09 | clrh | #info Claire Hernandez, BibLibre, France |
| 10:09 | vimal | Ok |
| 10:09 | druthb | doo eet |
| 10:09 | kf | #topic Release Manager 3.12 |
| 10:09 | Topic for #koha is now Release Manager 3.12 | |
| 10:09 | fredericd | #info Frédéric Demians, Tamil, France |
| 10:09 | kf | #info Release manager candidates: Jared Camins-Esakov |
| 10:09 | thd | +1 jcamins who would be well to be asleep now |
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| 10:10 | kf | please vote now |
| 10:10 | oleonard | +1 |
| 10:10 | magnuse | +1 |
| 10:10 | rangi | +1 |
| 10:10 | drojf | +1 |
| 10:10 | paul_p__ | +1 |
| 10:10 | druthb | +1 |
| 10:10 | kf | +1 |
| 10:10 | cjh | +1 |
| 10:10 | mveron | +1 |
| 10:10 | ColinC | +1 |
| 10:10 | tcohen | +1 |
| 10:10 | clrh | +1 |
| 10:10 | mtompset | +1 |
| 10:10 | vimal | +1 |
| 10:10 | BobB | +1 |
| 10:10 | tajoli | jcamins +1 |
| 10:10 | davidnind | +1 |
| 10:10 | bgkriegel | +1 |
| 10:10 | fredericd | +1 |
| 10:10 | slef | +1 |
| 10:10 | paul_p__ | (jcamins beat the % score of the next US president ;-) ) |
| 10:10 | kf | heh |
| 10:10 | ok, all votes done? | |
| 10:10 | tcohen | hehe |
| 10:11 | cjh | paul_p__: heh |
| 10:11 | kf | #agreed Jared Camins-Esakov / jcamis got elected to be RM for 3.12 |
| 10:11 | drojf | i would have voted for jcamins_away as president of the usa too |
| 10:11 | kf | #topic Translation Manager for 3.12 |
| 10:11 | Topic for #koha is now Translation Manager for 3.12 | |
| 10:11 | paul_p__ | drojf well, maybe he would be in trouble to dedicate time for Koha, so better just RM ;-) |
| 10:11 | mtompset | Yes, jcamins_away for president. ;) |
| 10:11 | tcohen | +1 |
| 10:11 | rangi | focus :) |
| 10:12 | kf | #info candidate for translation manager is D Ruth Bavousett / druthb |
| 10:12 | drojf | paul_p_: he could make a lot of people work on koha :P |
| 10:12 | kf | please vote now |
| 10:12 | drojf | sorry |
| 10:12 | magnuse | +1 |
| 10:12 | tcohen | +1 |
| 10:12 | talljoy | +1 |
| 10:12 | drojf | +1 |
| 10:12 | rangi | +1 |
| 10:12 | BobB | +1 |
| 10:12 | ColinC | +1 |
| 10:12 | fredericd | +1 |
| 10:12 | cjh | +1 |
| 10:12 | tajoli | +1 |
| 10:12 | mveron | +1 |
| 10:12 | druthb | 0 #if the community will have me, I will serve. |
| 10:12 | davidnind | +1 |
| 10:12 | kf | +1 |
| 10:12 | thd | +1 |
| 10:12 | paul_p__ | +1 (too bad there's not a non-english native for this role) |
| 10:12 | mtj | +1 |
| 10:12 | mtompset | +1 |
| 10:12 | oleonard | +1 |
| 10:12 | mtompset | Sorry, had to read the proposal. :) |
| 10:12 | kf | #agreed D Ruth Bavousett was elected to be Translation Manager for 3.12 |
| 10:13 | BobB | congratulations Ruth, now you can chase up that Marathi translation :) |
| 10:13 | kf | moving on |
| 10:13 | and congratulations druthb :) | |
| 10:13 | druthb | :D |
| 10:13 | vimal | :) |
| 10:13 | kf | #topic Documentation Manager for 3.12 |
| 10:13 | Topic for #koha is now Documentation Manager for 3.12 | |
| 10:13 | kf | #info candidate is Nicole Engard |
| 10:13 | please vote now :) | |
| 10:13 | talljoy | +1 |
| 10:13 | ColinC | +1 |
| 10:13 | vimal | +1 |
| 10:13 | oleonard | +1 |
| 10:13 | kf | +1 |
| 10:13 | mveron | +1 |
| 10:13 | drojf | +1 |
| 10:14 | davidnind | + |
| 10:14 | cjh | +1 |
| 10:14 | BobB | +1 |
| 10:14 | clrh | +1 |
| 10:14 | mtompset | +1 |
| 10:14 | rangi | +1 |
| 10:14 | mtj | +1 |
| 10:14 | mtompset | davidnind: you missed the 1. ;) |
| 10:14 | * oleonard | activates his automatic +1 machine |
| 10:14 | slef | +1 |
| 10:14 | davidnind | +1 |
| 10:14 | magnuse | +1 |
| 10:14 | druthb | +1 |
| 10:14 | thd | +1 |
| 10:14 | tcohen | +1 |
| 10:14 | tajoli | +1 |
| 10:14 | kf | of course, if someoen has urgent questions or doubt he/she can speak up anytime ;) |
| 10:14 | fredericd | +1 |
| 10:15 | paul_p__ | +1 |
| 10:15 | mtompset | Given that nengard has done it for ages, there's no question as to her competence. :) |
| 10:15 | kf | #agreed Nicole Engard / nengard was elected Documentation Manager for 3.12 |
| 10:15 | ok, next :) | |
| 10:15 | BobB | the original and the best :) |
| 10:15 | kf | #topic Installation Documentation Manager |
| 10:15 | Topic for #koha is now Installation Documentation Manager | |
| 10:15 | kf | #info candidate is Mason James / mtj |
| 10:16 | slef | I'm slightly concerned that the new docbook editor might produce docbook code which can't be edited in other tools, but that's on-list and minor. |
| 10:16 | mtompset | -- could mtj elaborate a bit on vision? |
| 10:16 | kf | please vote now :) |
| 10:16 | magnuse | +1 |
| 10:16 | oleonard | +1 |
| 10:16 | tajoli | +1 |
| 10:16 | BobB | +1 |
| 10:16 | paul_p__ | +1 |
| 10:16 | fredericd | +1 |
| 10:16 | mib_4tj22o joined #koha | |
| 10:16 | mveron | +1 |
| 10:16 | druthb | +1 |
| 10:16 | kf | ah, is he here? |
| 10:16 | vimal | +1 |
| 10:16 | ColinC | +1 |
| 10:16 | rangi | +1 |
| 10:16 | slef | kf: yes, and voting |
| 10:16 | kf | +1 |
| 10:16 | talljoy | +1 |
| 10:16 | davidnind | +1 |
| 10:16 | thd | +1 |
| 10:16 | drojf | +1 |
| 10:16 | tcohen | +1 |
| 10:16 | koyauni joined #koha | |
| 10:16 | kf | hard to miss someone today in all those +1 |
| 10:16 | mtj | yes, im here... |
| 10:16 | kf | um hard to spot. |
| 10:16 | slef | mtompset: would have been good to ask on wiki or on list earlier. :-/ |
| 10:17 | cjh | +1 |
| 10:17 | mtompset | True enough. |
| 10:17 | +1 | |
| 10:17 | kf | mtj: can you summarize in 2-3 quick sentences or better do that later or on list? |
| 10:17 | koyauni | hi, koha, does Koha Community as an official facebook [age |
| 10:17 | kf | hi koyauni - we are in an important meeting right now |
| 10:17 | could you ask a little later? | |
| 10:17 | rangi | koyauni: we are in a meeting can you ask again later when the meeting finishes |
| 10:17 | koyauni | ok, sorry! |
| 10:18 | kf | #agreed Mason James / mtj was elected for Installation Documentation Manager for 3.12 |
| 10:18 | BobB | Go Mason! |
| 10:18 | mtj | basically, ill be following what nicole is doing, but just for the install docs... |
| 10:18 | druthb | koyauni: https://www.facebook.com/kohails |
| 10:19 | kf | mtj, mtompset: I woudl like to move that after the elections |
| 10:19 | and move on now to database documentation manager | |
| 10:19 | mtompset | Okay. |
| 10:19 | kf | #topic Database Documentation Manager |
| 10:19 | Topic for #koha is now Database Documentation Manager | |
| 10:19 | kf | #info candidate is Nicole Engard / nengard |
| 10:19 | talljoy | +1 |
| 10:19 | kf | please vote now |
| 10:19 | +1 | |
| 10:19 | mveron | +1 |
| 10:19 | thd | +1 |
| 10:19 | paul_p__ | +1 |
| 10:19 | drojf | +1 |
| 10:19 | tajoli | +1 |
| 10:19 | BobB | +1 |
| 10:19 | rangi | +1 |
| 10:19 | ColinC | +1 |
| 10:19 | davidnind | +1 |
| 10:19 | cjh | +1 |
| 10:19 | magnuse | +1 |
| 10:19 | mtompset | +1 |
| 10:19 | druthb | +1 |
| 10:19 | vimal | +1 |
| 10:20 | mtj | +1 |
| 10:20 | tcohen | +1 |
| 10:20 | oleonard | +1 |
| 10:20 | kf | #agreed Nicole Engard will be Database Documentation Manager for 3.12 |
| 10:21 | ok | |
| 10:21 | #topic Quality Assurance (QA) Manager for 3.12 | |
| 10:21 | Topic for #koha is now Quality Assurance (QA) Manager for 3.12 | |
| 10:21 | rangi | #info candidate is Katrin Fischer / kf |
| 10:21 | mtompset | +1 |
| 10:21 | talljoy | +1 |
| 10:21 | vimal | +1 |
| 10:21 | drojf | +1 |
| 10:21 | magnuse | +1 |
| 10:21 | mveron | +1 |
| 10:21 | thd | +1 |
| 10:21 | tcohen | +1 |
| 10:21 | ColinC | +1 |
| 10:21 | rangi | +1 |
| 10:21 | BobB | +1 |
| 10:21 | cjh | +1 |
| 10:21 | davidnind | +1 |
| 10:21 | druthb | +1 |
| 10:21 | tajoli | +1 |
| 10:21 | mtj | +1 |
| 10:22 | kf | 0 |
| 10:22 | * druthb | wants to vote +1 twice, just in case. |
| 10:22 | oleonard | +1 |
| 10:22 | * mtompset | agrees with druthb. :) |
| 10:22 | paul_p__ | +1 |
| 10:22 | rangi | #agreed Katrin Fischer elected to QAM for 3.12 |
| 10:23 | kf | thank you all |
| 10:23 | BobB | that's a real win for the project! |
| 10:23 | * mtompset | nods. |
| 10:23 | * magnuse | too |
| 10:23 | mveron | Great |
| 10:23 | druthb | yup yup yup. |
| 10:23 | kf | um, ok, because I don't know what to say |
| 10:23 | druthb | now for her squad of helpful minions? |
| 10:23 | kf | I better move on maybe? |
| 10:23 | rangi | yup |
| 10:24 | kf | #topic Quality Assurance (QA) Team |
| 10:24 | Topic for #koha is now Quality Assurance (QA) Team | |
| 10:24 | kf | we have more than 1 candidate here |
| 10:24 | mveron | Can we vore "in globo"? |
| 10:24 | vote | |
| 10:24 | BobB | ... but no fixed number of team members |
| 10:24 | kf | nope |
| 10:24 | * paul_p__ | keep finger crossed, and hope Katrin wont sufferer the "QAM curse" = Ingrid (2002), left after 2 months, Pierrick (2005) left after 4, Ian (2011), left after a few months ... |
| 10:24 | kf | the question is, vote 1 by 1 or just for the whole team? |
| 10:25 | clrh | kf whole |
| 10:25 | vimal | Vote for whole tea |
| 10:25 | team | |
| 10:25 | druthb | in_globo++ |
| 10:25 | mveron | in globo |
| 10:25 | kf | paul_p__: I sure don't have plans to leave :) |
| 10:25 | vimal | Panel voting is good |
| 10:25 | kf | ok, any voices against team voting? |
| 10:25 | thd | global++ |
| 10:25 | tcohen | i'd like the names to appear in the transcripts |
| 10:25 | kf | please vote global-- or global++ |
| 10:26 | tcohen: I will take care of that with an #info | |
| 10:26 | druthb | global++ |
| 10:26 | rangi | global++ |
| 10:26 | cjh | global++ |
| 10:26 | mveron | + |
| 10:26 | clrh | global++ |
| 10:26 | mtj | global++ |
| 10:26 | mtompset | global++ |
| 10:26 | davidnind | global++ |
| 10:26 | ColinC | global++ |
| 10:26 | talljoy | global++ |
| 10:26 | tajoli | global++ |
| 10:26 | magnuse | global++ |
| 10:26 | kf | global++ |
| 10:26 | tcohen | global++ |
| 10:26 | BobB | global ++ |
| 10:26 | drojf | i would have liked the names to appear before the vote… |
| 10:26 | but well | |
| 10:26 | global++ | |
| 10:26 | vimal | global++ |
| 10:26 | kf | well that was not the vote yet :) |
| 10:26 | rangi | we have only voted on how we are going to vote ;) |
| 10:26 | drojf | ah yes i got confused |
| 10:26 | slef | arrrrrrrrgh meta discussions |
| 10:26 | ;) | |
| 10:26 | clrh | rangi: really ? |
| 10:26 | drojf | because i got cookies from the kitchen :O |
| 10:27 | kf | #info candidates are: Marcel de Rooy, Jonathan Druart / Joubu, Mason James / mtj, Paul Poulain / paul_p and Elliott Davis / libsysguy |
| 10:27 | * druthb | suggests that the TM should be paid in cookies. |
| 10:27 | tcohen | +1 |
| 10:27 | clrh | +1 |
| 10:27 | thd | +1 |
| 10:27 | mveron | +1 |
| 10:27 | rangi | +1 |
| 10:27 | cjh | +1 |
| 10:27 | kf | #agreed we agreed to vote for them as a team |
| 10:27 | druthb | +1 |
| 10:27 | paul_p__ | kf should we vote to decide if global++ was THE vote or a vote to decide how to vote ? :D :D :D |
| 10:27 | mtj | +1 |
| 10:27 | magnuse | +1 |
| 10:27 | talljoy | +1 |
| 10:27 | kf | please vote now if you don't have already |
| 10:27 | mtompset | +1 |
| 10:27 | drojf | +1 |
| 10:27 | davidnind | +1 |
| 10:27 | vimal | +1 |
| 10:27 | kf | paul_p__: chair says no ;) |
| 10:27 | ColinC | +1 |
| 10:27 | BobB | +1 |
| 10:28 | slef | vote for what now? |
| 10:28 | kf | +1 |
| 10:28 | slef: the team to be elected | |
| 10:28 | mtompset | slef: a +1 means yes to everyone. |
| 10:28 | slef | +1 |
| 10:28 | tcohen | chair says you have to type '+1' |
| 10:28 | drojf | i thought it was about the TM getting paid in cookies |
| 10:28 | oleonard | +1 |
| 10:28 | drojf | :P |
| 10:28 | kf | focus :) |
| 10:29 | paul_p__ | kf "beloved QAM, that is great and powerfull, I obey and agree your opinion is so great, wise and efficient" (was it enough ? ;-) ) |
| 10:29 | druthb | aye aye, ma'am. |
| 10:29 | mtompset | By the way, I like the proposal for QAA that Elliott Davis wrote. :) |
| 10:29 | kf | yes, it's a good one |
| 10:29 | now we move on, yes? :) | |
| 10:29 | thd | yes |
| 10:29 | rangi | yes |
| 10:29 | mtompset | yes. |
| 10:29 | magnuse | yes |
| 10:29 | kf | #topic Release Maintainers for 3.10 and 3.8 |
| 10:29 | Topic for #koha is now Release Maintainers for 3.10 and 3.8 | |
| 10:29 | mtompset | global++ |
| 10:29 | druthb | paul_p__: remember that line; you'll need it a bunch this next few months. :) |
| 10:29 | kf | ok, we only got rangi here |
| 10:30 | mtompset | :) |
| 10:30 | magnuse | "only"? :-) |
| 10:30 | tcohen | 3.6 is EOL, right? |
| 10:30 | cjh | heh |
| 10:30 | kf | nah, not only, but rangi for both versions |
| 10:30 | mtompset | Once 3.10 comes out, I would assume so. |
| 10:30 | kf | rangi: you still willing to do both? |
| 10:30 | druthb | yes. |
| 10:31 | slef | tcohen: Orphan, not EOL IMO. We can't stop people using it. |
| 10:31 | rangi | yep, someone can pick up 3.6 if they want |
| 10:31 | kf | ok, I say (chair) we vote for both versions together |
| 10:31 | slef | I finally realised that was bugging me about the EOL discussion. |
| 10:31 | rangi | im not rmmainting 3 stable versions tho |
| 10:31 | kf | #info candidate for both versions is Chris Cormack / rangi |
| 10:31 | druthb | +1 |
| 10:31 | tcohen | +1 |
| 10:31 | oleonard | +1 |
| 10:31 | talljoy | +1 |
| 10:31 | mveron | +1 |
| 10:31 | cjh | +1 |
| 10:31 | drojf | +1 |
| 10:31 | davidnind | +1 |
| 10:31 | slef | +1 |
| 10:31 | ColinC | +1 |
| 10:31 | thd | +1 |
| 10:31 | kf | slef: keep the thought for later? |
| 10:31 | mtompset | wise decision, rangi. |
| 10:31 | magnuse | +1 |
| 10:31 | mtompset | +1 |
| 10:31 | BobB | +1 |
| 10:31 | kf | +1 |
| 10:32 | paul_p__ | +2 ( +1 for each version) |
| 10:32 | rangi | -1 #that guys a dick |
| 10:32 | mtj | +1 |
| 10:32 | tajoli | +1 |
| 10:32 | * mtompset | laughs |
| 10:32 | drojf | lol rangi |
| 10:32 | cjh | hahhaha |
| 10:32 | druthb | rofl |
| 10:32 | mtompset | +2 to counter rangi's vote. :) |
| 10:32 | * tcohen | laughs |
| 10:32 | slef | ahhh the things you can do if you don't have my bad habit of losing votes ;) |
| 10:32 | clrh | +1 |
| 10:32 | * kf | pondes kicking the guy for using bad words in a meeting |
| 10:32 | thd | slef++ orphans are much nicer than the dead |
| 10:32 | vimal | +1 |
| 10:32 | druthb | doo eeet, kf |
| 10:32 | slef | kf: oh I thought his middle name was Richard. |
| 10:32 | cjh | whois druthb |
| 10:32 | wahanui | druthb is wanting to be the TM for 3.12. Now we know she's crazy. |
| 10:33 | talljoy | heh |
| 10:33 | druthb | mhm. |
| 10:33 | mtompset | Need to drop the "wanting". :) |
| 10:33 | kf | #agreed Chris Cormack was elected to be RMaint for 3.8 and 3.10 |
| 10:33 | #agreed (belated) the QA team got elected too | |
| 10:33 | cjh | heh |
| 10:33 | BobB | Huge thank you to Chris! |
| 10:33 | kf | why did noone remind me? |
| 10:33 | and rangi++ for doing this | |
| 10:34 | mtompset | Because you're the QAM. :P |
| 10:34 | kf | I am chair now :) |
| 10:34 | ok, moving on | |
| 10:34 | #topic Packaging Manager | |
| 10:34 | Topic for #koha is now Packaging Manager | |
| 10:34 | druthb | wahanui: druthb? |
| 10:34 | wahanui | well, druthb is TM for 3.12. Now we know she's crazy. |
| 10:34 | kf | #info candidate is Robin Sheat / eythian |
| 10:34 | please vote | |
| 10:34 | paul_p__ | +1 ! |
| 10:34 | tcohen | +1 |
| 10:34 | druthb | +1 |
| 10:34 | ColinC | +1 |
| 10:34 | kf | +1 |
| 10:34 | cjh | +1 |
| 10:34 | slef | +1 |
| 10:34 | mveron | +1 |
| 10:34 | mtompset | or is it eythian_? ;) |
| 10:34 | BobB | +1 |
| 10:34 | drojf | +1 |
| 10:34 | magnuse | +1 |
| 10:34 | thd | +1 |
| 10:34 | mtompset | +1 |
| 10:34 | slef | and many thanks |
| 10:35 | talljoy | +1 |
| 10:35 | tajoli | +1 |
| 10:35 | vimal | +1 |
| 10:35 | davidnind | +1 |
| 10:35 | mtj | +1 |
| 10:35 | oleonard | +1 |
| 10:35 | eythian_ | oh hey, I'm logged in here! |
| 10:35 | rangi | +1 |
| 10:35 | kf | #agreed Robin Sheat / eythian got elected to be Packaging Manager |
| 10:35 | next | |
| 10:35 | #topic Live CD/DVD Manager | |
| 10:35 | Topic for #koha is now Live CD/DVD Manager | |
| 10:36 | kf | #info candidate is Vimal Kumar Vazhappally |
| 10:36 | vimal | Hi all |
| 10:36 | thd | +1 |
| 10:36 | mtompset | (Hopefully I got the name right) |
| 10:36 | tcohen | +1 |
| 10:36 | kf | hi vimal :) |
| 10:36 | druthb | +1 #with oodles of thanks. |
| 10:36 | talljoy | +1 |
| 10:36 | oleonard | +1 |
| 10:36 | mveron | +1 |
| 10:36 | vimal | +1 |
| 10:36 | ColinC | +1 |
| 10:36 | davidnind | +1 |
| 10:36 | magnuse | +1 |
| 10:36 | drojf | +1 |
| 10:36 | BobB | +1 |
| 10:36 | mtompset | +1 # seems to be a demand for it. |
| 10:36 | kf | +1 #didn't tell you to vote yet! :) |
| 10:36 | cjh | +1 |
| 10:37 | oleonard | kf is becoming drunk with power |
| 10:37 | kf | #agreed Vimal Kumar Vazhappally / vimal will be Live CD/DVD Manager |
| 10:37 | oleonard: only a little :) | |
| 10:37 | vimal | Thank u all |
| 10:37 | BobB | Congratulations Vimal |
| 10:37 | tcohen | congrats |
| 10:37 | vimal | Thank u |
| 10:37 | kf | #topic Bug Wranglers |
| 10:37 | Topic for #koha is now Bug Wranglers | |
| 10:38 | mtompset | Looking forward to seeing a nice simple install for the end-user. :) |
| 10:38 | vimal | SUre |
| 10:38 | I will try my best | |
| 10:38 | tcohen | global++ |
| 10:38 | kf | ok, again this is a group of people, please indicate if group voting is wanted with global++ or global-- |
| 10:38 | druthb | global++ |
| 10:38 | drojf | global++ |
| 10:38 | kf | global++ (less typing) |
| 10:38 | talljoy | global++ |
| 10:38 | paul_p__ | global++ |
| 10:38 | mtompset | drojf-- :P |
| 10:38 | thd | global++ |
| 10:38 | BobB | global ++ |
| 10:38 | mtompset | global++ |
| 10:38 | ColinC | global++ |
| 10:38 | vimal | global++ |
| 10:38 | davidnind | global++ |
| 10:38 | magnuse | global++ |
| 10:38 | rangi | global++ |
| 10:38 | drojf | mtompset: what did i do? |
| 10:39 | mtompset | downed my karma. ;) |
| 10:39 | kf | don't play with the karma plz |
| 10:39 | ;) | |
| 10:39 | mtompset | I'm still voting for you. Don't worry. |
| 10:39 | kf | #agreed the bug wranglers will be voted as a team too |
| 10:40 | #info candidates are Marc Véron / mveron, Chris Hall / cjh, Magnus Enger / magnuse, Mirko Tietgen / drojf | |
| 10:40 | please vote now :) | |
| 10:40 | druthb | +1 |
| 10:40 | tcohen | +1 |
| 10:40 | thd | +1 |
| 10:40 | kf | +1 |
| 10:40 | magnuse | +1 # for the others |
| 10:40 | davidnind | +1 |
| 10:40 | drojf | +0.75 # for the other three |
| 10:40 | mtompset | +! |
| 10:40 | talljoy | +1 |
| 10:40 | vimal | +1 |
| 10:40 | oleonard | +1 |
| 10:40 | mveron | +0.75 (do not vote for myself...) |
| 10:40 | BobB | +1 |
| 10:40 | tajoli | +1 |
| 10:40 | ColinC | +1 |
| 10:40 | slef | +1 |
| 10:40 | rangi | +1 |
| 10:40 | mtj | +1 |
| 10:41 | magnuse | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]a_Bug_Wrangler_do |
| 10:41 | kf | thx magnuse |
| 10:41 | paul_p__ | +1 |
| 10:42 | kf | #agreed all candidates got elected for the role of bug wrangler |
| 10:42 | vimal | Congrats Bug Wranglers |
| 10:42 | kf | this was the last vote |
| 10:42 | mveron | Thanks! |
| 10:42 | vimal | Sweep maximum bugs |
| 10:42 | kf | congrats everyone :) |
| 10:42 | * mveron | sees 1328 with Status "New" between 2007-10-04 (Bug 900) and today (Bug 8894) |
| 10:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=900 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Unimarc Authorities |
| 10:42 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8894 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Software error calling Help on Local use in System preferences | |
| 10:43 | kf | I think we could do the meeting chair on volunteer basis for each meeting? |
| 10:43 | rangi | yep |
| 10:43 | drojf | or we could vote for kf |
| 10:43 | :P | |
| 10:43 | kf | I sleep sometimes :) |
| 10:43 | * druthb | suggests that kf rocks that job. |
| 10:43 | drojf | kf: then stop that |
| 10:43 | mtompset | drojf++ # excellent idea |
| 10:43 | kf | but I am willing to do it in my comfy timezones :) |
| 10:43 | mveron | kf ++ |
| 10:43 | tcohen | kf++ |
| 10:43 | * oleonard | would like to give kf the option to sleep through some meetings |
| 10:44 | slef | kf: so you need deputies, especially for the 3am ones? |
| 10:44 | mtj | comfy timezones only, please |
| 10:44 | kf | yes, especially that one |
| 10:44 | drojf | i'd vote for meetings only at kf-compatible times, but i may biased |
| 10:44 | BobB | Is Brooke unwilling? |
| 10:44 | slef | anyone willing to cover 02:00:00 +0000 ? |
| 10:44 | kf | she didn't sign up this time, I am not sure |
| 10:44 | I woudl say leave the position open | |
| 10:45 | and see who is around to be doing it | |
| 10:45 | slef | In winter, I'd do it when my schedule permits. |
| 10:45 | kf | doesn't have to be formalized really? |
| 10:45 | rangi | i dont think it does |
| 10:45 | slef | kf: it would be good to have a group willing to do it. We've had "oh it's a meeting - who wants to chair?" before. |
| 10:45 | kf | and I meant comfy meeting times.. of course :) |
| 10:45 | mtompset | Since there technically are no names, we can only note that kf has offered to do it for one that are timezone friendly for her. |
| 10:46 | slef | but no rush - we currently don't have a pool |
| 10:46 | group | |
| 10:46 | not poo | |
| 10:46 | not pool! | |
| 10:46 | * slef | goes to buy a new keyboard |
| 10:46 | talljoy | ha |
| 10:46 | mtompset | slef++ # nice typos. :) |
| 10:46 | kf | ok |
| 10:46 | I see too more topics on the meeting schedule | |
| 10:46 | slef | hey, that's how I got this nick :-/ |
| 10:46 | kf | we are running 45 mins now |
| 10:47 | slef | let's get a move on! |
| 10:47 | :) | |
| 10:47 | kf | I think we can try to do them fast but I am not sure what Translation file is about and hwo added it |
| 10:47 | and I have a nice smelling pizza on my desk - we have to make this fast ;) | |
| 10:47 | * druthb | is curious about that, too. |
| 10:47 | rangi | and the next one after that we need jcamins for |
| 10:47 | kf | so if noone knows, I would suggest skipping it |
| 10:47 | yes | |
| 10:47 | tcohen | We should start talking about Translation file |
| 10:47 | s | |
| 10:48 | druthb | fredericd and I need to plot to get together soon, but we'll do that outside a meeting. |
| 10:48 | mtompset | if noone knows, yes skip. |
| 10:48 | cjh | I was wondering waht that was about, I guess no one knows.. |
| 10:48 | what.. | |
| 10:48 | slef | Brooke added it |
| 10:48 | kf | so I suggest we close the meeting and jcamins_away/paul_p can dicsuss schedules later? |
| 10:48 | tcohen | bgkriegel |
| 10:48 | ? | |
| 10:48 | rangi | picking a time for next meeting |
| 10:48 | bgkriegel | perhaps somthing about the tranlation of the manual |
| 10:48 | kf | druthb: maybe have a translator's meeting sometime? |
| 10:48 | magnuse | looks like Broole added the point about Translation Files |
| 10:48 | paul_p__ | I've added the branching topic, after discussing of it with jcamins_away and I agree it would be better with jcamins_away |
| 10:48 | druthb | good idea. |
| 10:48 | kf | ok |
| 10:48 | paul_p__ | I'll send a mail to koha-devel about that |
| 10:48 | kf | so I am closing |
| 10:48 | slef | Brooke added it 20 September - please could people look at the agenda before the meeting and ask about unclear stuff :) |
| 10:48 | kf | can someone help please to find the time for the next meeting? |
| 10:49 | mtompset | Isn't it +8 hours from this meeting? |
| 10:49 | vimal | Dear Friends, I m leaving. My office is going to close. Bye all. I will try my best to develop a easy and ready to use Live Koha CD |
| 10:49 | drojf | it's the early one |
| 10:49 | i think | |
| 10:49 | rangi | its 02:00 UTC |
| 10:49 | * druthb | goes back to bed for a little longer. |
| 10:49 | rangi | pick a date |
| 10:49 | drojf | -8 hours |
| 10:49 | mtompset | Bye, vimal. |
| 10:49 | magnuse | vimal++ |
| 10:49 | vimal | Thanl u all |
| 10:49 | kf | ok |
| 10:49 | cjh | vimal: seeya |
| 10:49 | kf | 14th november? |
| 10:50 | rangi | id prefer sooner |
| 10:50 | mtj | bye vimal |
| 10:50 | rangi | november 7th |
| 10:50 | kf | a week enough? |
| 10:50 | ok | |
| 10:50 | rangi | thats 2 weeks out from release |
| 10:50 | kf | november 7th, 02:00 UTC - please indicate if that's ok the usual way |
| 10:50 | tcohen | we needed to talk about the translation of the manual |
| 10:50 | drojf | vimal: drop by the irc sometimes |
| 10:50 | magnuse | +1 |
| 10:50 | kf | #topic next meeting time |
| 10:50 | Topic for #koha is now next meeting time | |
| 10:50 | slef | +1 but only because it's 2am :) |
| 10:50 | thd | +1 |
| 10:50 | rangi | +1 |
| 10:50 | kf | I won't be there probably |
| 10:50 | 0 | |
| 10:51 | mtompset | tcohen: So translation of the manuals is what that Translation Files was about? |
| 10:51 | drojf | +1 # most likely not coming |
| 10:51 | talljoy | +1 |
| 10:51 | magnuse | kf will be in oslo |
| 10:51 | mtj | +1 |
| 10:51 | tajoli | 0 |
| 10:51 | cjh | +1 |
| 10:51 | tcohen | yes |
| 10:51 | kf | oh right |
| 10:51 | I will | |
| 10:51 | :) | |
| 10:51 | BobB | +1 |
| 10:51 | cjh | 3pm here, good time :) |
| 10:51 | mtompset | I'll be flying back to Canada then. I can't make it. |
| 10:51 | oleonard | +1 |
| 10:51 | kf | #agreed november 7th, 02:00 UTC as time for the next meeting |
| 10:52 | mtompset | But it is a good date and time regardless... |
| 10:52 | tcohen | listen, druthb, can we appoint a translation meeting at least so we sort this manual translation issue? |
| 10:52 | oleonard | Let's try to add apologies to the wiki entry so that the agenda can be revised and shortened if necessary |
| 10:52 | kf | oleonard: good suggestion |
| 10:52 | talljoy | tcohen: druthb left. |
| 10:52 | cjh | tcohen: drut has gone to sleep |
| 10:52 | kf | #info Let's try to add apologies to the wiki entry so that the agenda can be revised and shortened if necessary |
| 10:52 | ok, I am ending the meeting | |
| 10:52 | cjh | s/drut/druthb/ |
| 10:52 | kf | #endmeeting |
| 10:52 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org The next general meeting is 10 October 2012 10 UTC | |
| 10:52 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Oct 10 10:52:41 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 10:52 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-10-10-10.01.html | |
| 10:52 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]2-10-10-10.01.txt | |
| 10:52 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]10-10.01.log.html | |
| 10:52 | kf | phew |
| 10:52 | :) | |
| 10:52 | slef | oleonard: what's that about? |
| 10:52 | kf | ok, pizza time :) |
| 10:52 | drojf | that was faster than i expected |
| 10:52 | slef | * kf is away, chowing down |
| 10:52 | cjh | and bed time, night all :) |
| 10:52 | kf: enjoy! | |
| 10:52 | mtompset | Great! Now I can go for supper. |
| 10:53 | kf_lunch | :) |
| 10:53 | cjh | lunch, heh. |
| 10:53 | BobB | Thanks kf, that was awesome. |
| 10:53 | * talljoy | hunts for fresh coffee....5am....blarg |
| 10:53 | oleonard | slef, if no one is going to show up the agenda might need to be revised to exclude more important business like votes |
| 10:53 | tcohen | @later tell druthb we need to appoint a Translation meeting, as the translation of manual was not addressed in th egeneral meeting |
| 10:53 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:53 | magnuse | ooh, pizza... |
| 10:53 | wahanui | pizza is, like, in the oven |
| 10:53 | thd | good night cjh |
| 10:53 | slef | wahanui: are you calling kf's office an oven? |
| 10:53 | wahanui | slef: i haven't a clue |
| 10:53 | drojf | lol |
| 10:53 | slef | wahanui: shut up |
| 10:53 | wahanui | slef: excuse me? |
| 10:53 | drojf | i heard it's more like a freezer ately |
| 10:54 | lately | |
| 10:54 | slef | drojf: I thought swimming pool... or maybe that is only outside. |
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| 10:55 | drojf | oh now he waited all that time and left the minute the meeting was over? |
| 10:55 | * thd | disconnects before the broken ethernet port disconnects him |
| 10:55 | drojf | i mean koyauni |
| 10:55 | oleonard | See you all in a couple hours |
| 10:56 | magnuse | drojf: might be mibbit dosconnectiong because of lack of activity |
| 10:56 | slef | drojf: there was an answer in-channel from druthb I think - and I msg'd |
| 10:57 | drojf | ah yes i just remembered that it was the fb question |
| 10:57 | only had in mind we told him to wait | |
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| 11:11 | magnuse | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…],_7_November_2012 |
| 11:11 | drojf | magnuse++ |
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| 11:35 | mtompset | magnuse++ # very quick and efficient! |
| 11:35 | magnuse | good chance noone will remember to do it if it isn't done the same day :-) |
| 11:36 | mtompset | quite true! |
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| 11:45 | mtompset | nengard: You were ratified. :) |
| 11:45 | nengard | ? |
| 11:45 | mtompset | Your role. |
| 11:46 | nengard | oh :) |
| 11:46 | well paul_p did tell me it was mine until I died :) | |
| 11:46 | mtompset | Or until someone else who loves to document and does it better than you (is that even possible?!) comes along. |
| 11:46 | kf | back :) |
| 11:47 | mtompset | How was the pizza? |
| 11:47 | What kind was it? | |
| 11:48 | Perhaps releases should be named after pizza types. That would be much harder than cookies, jcamins_away. ;) | |
| 11:50 | kf | it was hawaii |
| 11:50 | ham and pineapple | |
| 11:50 | and it was slightly cold ;) | |
| 11:50 | drojf | -1 for pizzanames |
| 11:51 | kf | yeah, to limited |
| 11:51 | cookies! | |
| 11:51 | wahanui | Cookies are delicious delicacies |
| 11:51 | drojf | cookies! |
| 11:51 | wahanui | Cookies are delicious delicacies |
| 11:53 | drojf | what is a good way to trigger sending something to message_queue? fake an overdue or something? |
| 11:53 | kf | checkout |
| 11:53 | is what I do | |
| 11:54 | or hold notices | |
| 11:54 | easier than overdues | |
| 11:55 | drojf | ah makes sense. do i have to enable something to send messages? i did not really find a syspref for that (only enhanced messages). i have koha-email-disable set, not sure if that makes a difference for filling the table |
| 11:56 | kf | oh rangi forgot my agreed! :) |
| 11:56 | or only the chair can do it | |
| 11:56 | * kf | is looking at the meeting logs to see where she messed up |
| 11:56 | kf | drojf: hm I think it shouldn't |
| 11:57 | but you have t add an email address to the patron account and activate hte messages | |
| 11:57 | for the patron | |
| 11:58 | drojf | adding an email for my patron was an idea i just had :D activate messages per patron?? |
| 11:58 | kf | yep |
| 11:58 | enhanced messages on | |
| 11:58 | and then you can set a standard for the patron category | |
| 11:58 | but the standard will not beapplied to existing patrons | |
| 11:58 | so you have to check the checkboxes for the messages there too | |
| 12:00 | drojf | err i thought without the enhanced messages it would use what i set up at item circulation alerts? |
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| 12:04 | kf | hm |
| 12:04 | I am not sure what circulation alerts does really | |
| 12:04 | probably make sure you didn'td eactivate everything there | |
| 12:05 | and enhanced messages on means you can send checkout slips, hold messages etc. - it's needed for those | |
| 12:05 | drojf | ok then the description of that syspref does not make any sense |
| 12:06 | allow patrons to choose which notices they receive and when they receive them. Note that this only applies to certain kinds of notices. | |
| 12:06 | maybe it does that too, but it does a lot more | |
| 12:06 | kf | hm yeah |
| 12:06 | it's also the trigger in general | |
| 12:07 | drojf | that is of some significance too maybe ;) |
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| 12:08 | kf | I never read the descriptions :P |
| 12:08 | paul_p: is it wifi oder the client? | |
| 12:09 | drojf | ok tried to send a message. and errored because i broke it :) |
| 12:12 | mtompset | As long as you know how to fix it, no problems. :) |
| 12:14 | paul_p | kf = the wifi (& maybe some tests I made with thunderbird IRC. I'm back to xchat, there is a major lack in thunderbird = no notification in case of someone yelling you on a channel !!!) |
| 12:14 | drojf | paul_p: YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO MISS THE YELLING!!! |
| 12:14 | paul_p | dracoling hehe ;-) |
| 12:14 | drojf hehe ;-) | |
| 12:19 | kf | paul_p paul_p paul_p ? |
| 12:19 | ;) | |
| 12:19 | cait? | |
| 12:19 | paul_p | kf kf kf kf ? |
| 12:19 | kf | was only testing your client :) |
| 12:19 | mtompset | beetle juice, beetle juice, beetle juice? ;) |
| 12:19 | kf | yep |
| 12:19 | paul_p | kf xchat is perfect, it's thunderbird that need to be improved a little ! |
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| 12:25 | drojf | ah. would maybe help to have gnupg keys present on the dev machine if i want to use them for email encryption … my brain is very special today |
| 12:26 | * oleonard | arrives to find that jcamins, having succeeded in his bloodless coup, has laid waste to all before him and built a dark tower to his own tyranny. |
| 12:26 | jcamins_away | lol |
| 12:26 | drojf | jcamins? |
| 12:26 | wahanui | rumour has it jcamins is running for release manager for 3.12 and a his work on authorities is amazing |
| 12:26 | drojf | what happened to blind-sided by ignorance? :P |
| 12:27 | jcamins | drojf: kf was offended. |
| 12:32 | * magnuse | can now easily make the digital signs hideous with http://jquerymobile.com/themeroller/ |
| 12:33 | jcamins | Woohoo! |
| 12:33 | magnuse++ | |
| 12:33 | magnuse | yay |
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| 13:17 | * oleonard | wonders if we will bulk-update "rel_3_12" bugs to "master" when 3.10 is released |
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| 13:20 | magnuse | oleonard: i suspect jcamins_away has a plan for that |
| 13:21 | oleonard | But we must not cast our gaze directly upon the eye of jcamins_away lest the eye turn its gaze back upon us |
| 13:25 | * magnuse | runs in terror |
| 13:34 | * wajasu | migrating my 3.0 koha to master, to see whats what |
| 13:35 | khall | general questions, should an item that was transferred incorrectly be allowed to fill a hold? At the moment, that appears to be what Koha is doing. On top of that, clicking ignore does not prompt to transfer the item back ( as it would if the item couldn't fill any holds ) |
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| 14:03 | oleonard | khall: What do you mean by transferred incorrectly? |
| 14:04 | khall | if I just check in LibraryA's item at LibraryB without having done a transfer. |
| 14:04 | I think this is intended behavior at this point | |
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| 14:07 | oleonard | Well, usually a transfer is initiated via the hold process... |
| 14:07 | But otherwise we don't manually transfer stuff, for instance. | |
| 14:08 | khall | this is just one of those odd edge cases. |
| 14:08 | wizzyrea | khall - so basically the item was physically transferred without koha actually transferring it |
| 14:08 | so, human error? | |
| 14:08 | khall | wizzyrea: that is correct. |
| 14:09 | wizzyrea | I think, that yes, an item in that situation, at least here |
| 14:09 | should fill a hold for a person it was intended for - it should (it does in 3.6 anyway) prompt to transit it on if it's not for a patron in library b | |
| 14:09 | so say if you have a patron from library C, book is incorrectly transited to library b | |
| 14:10 | when library b checks it in | |
| 14:10 | it should prompt them to transit the book to C for the hold | |
| 14:10 | now you definitely get what you describe | |
| 14:10 | khall | this isn't even a case of incorrect transfer, this is a case of no transfer. |
| 14:10 | wizzyrea | when the processing at the home branch is absent - say they sent it but *told koha nothing about their action* |
| 14:10 | khall | no koha transfer that is, but only physical transfer |
| 14:11 | wizzyrea | how could you possibly expect koha to know what to do with an item if it hasn't been assigned to a patron |
| 14:11 | which is what proper transit at the home branch does | |
| 14:11 | so if a physical transit happens, and koha doesn't know about it, yea, it'll still assign the book to someone else | |
| 14:12 | because it sees that checkin as the "assigning" checkin | |
| 14:12 | am I making sense? | |
| 14:12 | I think this is the steve jobs problem - they're holding it wrong. | |
| 14:12 | ;) | |
| 14:13 | khall | If I have no holds placed for the item, Koha will tell me to send it back to the home library. In the same situation, adding a hold causes Koha to ask the librarian if he or she wants to fill the hold with the item. |
| 14:13 | wizzyrea | right, I think that's correct |
| 14:13 | khall | If I then click ignore, it just gets checked in at this incorrect library |
| 14:13 | wizzyrea | yep, that particular thing has been a problem for a long time |
| 14:13 | there's a bug for it | |
| 14:13 | I think | |
| 14:14 | khall | that is what I'm working on right now, if there is a bug number for it, that would be very helpful. |
| 14:14 | wizzyrea | dual checkins caus items to get stuck at the receiving branch |
| 14:14 | let me find it :) | |
| 14:14 | khall | thanks! |
| 14:15 | wizzyrea | well you are likely looking at bug 8292, but that's not the one I'm thinking of |
| 14:15 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8292 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , clicking ignore on hold cancels transfer |
| 14:15 | wajasu | link_FYI: running link_bibs_to_authorities.pl has a --test mode, but when i run it, if you have "AutoCreateauthorites" on, AddAuthority is called. (in master) |
| 14:17 | khall | excellent! |
| 14:17 | wizzyrea | bug 6226 |
| 14:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6226 major, P3, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW , Returning a misrouted item twice causes transit to correct receiving library to disappear |
| 14:17 | wizzyrea | also probably related |
| 14:17 | bug 5826 also related | |
| 14:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5826 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Returning a lost item at a library other than it's home does not trigger transit home |
| 14:18 | khall | wizzyrea, I'd swear bug 6226 sounds like something I've already submitted a patch for |
| 14:18 | and there it is | |
| 14:18 | nope thats not it | |
| 14:19 | wizzyrea | no that's lost - sorry |
| 14:19 | i'm still poking about :) | |
| 14:21 | bug 7635 may be related, may be what you're looking at | |
| 14:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7635 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , ignoring hold still marks it in transit |
| 14:22 | * wizzyrea | wonders if it somehow got closed |
| 14:23 | * oleonard | wonders how long it should take to import a 4 gig sql dump into mysql |
| 14:23 | wizzyrea | hm, a long time depending on your hardware. :/ |
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| 14:28 | samuel | hi everybody |
| 14:28 | phasefx | hey guys, on Koha 3.08.05.000, with the Inventory Tool, if I check the items.damaged Damaged checkbox (or any item status for that matter) and nothing else and then hit Submit, I get all items back and not just the ones that are damaged. The SQL generated doesn't do any limiting either, but maybe the code intends to post-filter the results. Am I doing something wrong, or did I find a bug? |
| 14:29 | khall | patch for bug 8292 submitted. Should be an easy SO for anyone who wants to test it. |
| 14:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8292 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , clicking ignore on hold cancels transfer |
| 14:30 | samuel | hey, i've enabled cas authentification on koha and i've this error "HTTP Status 404 - /cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl" |
| 14:31 | wizzyrea | :/ no clue samuel |
| 14:31 | oleonard | long time = 1 hour 20 minutes |
| 14:31 | wizzyrea | what kind of hardware? |
| 14:32 | jcamins | I have a plan? |
| 14:32 | Oh, yes. | |
| 14:32 | oleonard | wizzyrea: ThinkPad with 3.7GiB RAM and AMD dual-core somethingorother |
| 14:32 | doohickey | |
| 14:33 | thingamabob | |
| 14:33 | wizzyrea | laptop? |
| 14:33 | oleonard | yes |
| 14:33 | wizzyrea | slow disk prolly. |
| 14:33 | I have a plan? | |
| 14:33 | jcamins | oleonard: those bugs that are not ready for merging will get changed back to master. |
| 14:33 | wizzyrea | boo. |
| 14:33 | jcamins | wizzyrea has a plan? |
| 14:34 | oleonard | wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans. |
| 14:34 | jcamins | wizzyrea? |
| 14:34 | wahanui | I LIKE SCIENCE and I GEEK KOHA |
| 14:34 | oleonard | ...really convoluted mystical plans... |
| 14:35 | magnuse | gah, n00b mistake: did some edits on master - is there a way to bring them over to a new branch? |
| 14:36 | jcamins | magnuse: cherry-pick, or rename the branch. |
| 14:36 | (and this is why I don't have a branch called master) | |
| 14:36 | wizzyrea | lol. |
| 14:36 | I want to be a cylon. | |
| 14:36 | oleonard: that really really made me laugh. | |
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| 14:38 | magnuse | rename it is - thanks jcamins |
| 14:38 | wizzyrea | wizzyrea? |
| 14:38 | wahanui | i think wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans. |
| 14:38 | * wizzyrea | nods |
| 14:38 | laughs hysterically | |
| 14:40 | wizzyrea | oh oh can I be a number 3? |
| 14:40 | * mtompset | chuckles, "Do you really want to be a number 3? It's not much better than 1 or 2." |
| 14:41 | wizzyrea | i suspect you have not watched much Battlestar Galactica :) |
| 14:41 | mtompset | And why do they only model Cylons as integers? |
| 14:42 | Well, you are probably talking about the reboot version in recent years. | |
| 14:42 | wizzyrea | yes, I am :) |
| 14:42 | I tried to watch the old one | |
| 14:42 | i really did. | |
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| 14:42 | * kf | waves |
| 14:42 | wizzyrea | hey kf |
| 14:42 | kf | hi wizzyrea :) |
| 14:42 | when is the flight? :) | |
| 14:43 | oleonard | wizzyrea: Cylon /and/ Xena? That's a win. |
| 14:43 | * kf | hides |
| 14:43 | peeks out | |
| 14:43 | kf | should we have a post about the release team voting on kc? |
| 14:44 | wizzyrea | she's the visionary :) |
| 14:44 | 27th :) | |
| 14:44 | oleonard | wizzyrea: You should have tried watching the original Battlestar Galactica when you were 7. It holds up much better. |
| 14:44 | * wizzyrea | goes to find her TARDIS |
| 14:44 | kf | soon! :) |
| 14:48 | mtompset | Oooo... TARDIS. Which companion are you? |
| 14:48 | kf | why companion? |
| 14:48 | wizzyrea | that is an EXCELLENT question. |
| 14:48 | oleonard | Why companion? :P |
| 14:48 | kf | heh |
| 14:48 | wizzyrea | lol. |
| 14:48 | * wizzyrea | is not The Doctor. |
| 14:49 | kf | maybe he gave you your own tardis? |
| 14:49 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 14:50 | I stole it from him. Seems logical. | |
| 14:50 | j/k | |
| 14:50 | * wizzyrea | doesn't *really* live in a fantasy world. |
| 14:51 | mtompset | no one can truly be the doctor... The human hybrids can't contain being a timelord, or something. |
| 14:51 | magnuse | bug 2832 is an easy signoff - just sayin' :-) |
| 14:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2832 normal, P3, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Make alphabet localizable |
| 14:51 | wizzyrea | well, they never really explain river song |
| 14:51 | a human… time lord? | |
| 14:51 | mtompset | Donna. |
| 14:52 | wizzyrea | the child of the TARDIS or something. |
| 14:52 | mtompset | No... Donna. |
| 14:52 | wizzyrea | well yea, donna |
| 14:52 | and Rose too | |
| 14:52 | mtompset | Rose?! |
| 14:52 | wizzyrea | yea, end of season one, she looks into the vortex and dissolves the daleks? |
| 14:53 | after scattering Bad Wolf across the univers | |
| 14:53 | with an e | |
| 14:53 | oleonard | Yeah but then the Doctor aborbs the energy from her to keep her from dying |
| 14:53 | mtompset | Oh... that wasn't timelord. |
| 14:53 | That was TARDIS. | |
| 14:53 | jcamins | magnuse: why didn't you generate the browse list from the database, and have the user choose a locale for collation? |
| 14:53 | wizzyrea | lol NERD FIGHT |
| 14:53 | ah thanks guys, I needed this this morning :) | |
| 14:54 | magnuse | jcamins: 'cause my way seemed easier :-) |
| 14:54 | jcamins | magnuse: ah. Fair enough. |
| 14:54 | magnuse | jcamins: counter patch welcome :-) |
| 14:54 | jcamins | magnuse: I don't think I have any objection to the way you did it. |
| 14:55 | I was just surprised you'd write so much extra code. :P | |
| 14:55 | magnuse | it's an improvement, but it might lead you to "no patrons found" |
| 14:55 | hehe, yeah some bloat just snuck in there :-) | |
| 14:55 | jcamins | That happens now, too. |
| 14:55 | magnuse | yeah, in regards to "no patrons found" it's not an improvement |
| 14:56 | it's an improvement when you are looking for names that start with something else than A-Z | |
| 14:56 | jcamins | Right. |
| 14:56 | Hence my lack of objection to the fact that it will still happen. | |
| 14:56 | magnuse | :-) |
| 14:57 | and with that i bid you all a fair time-of-the-day - see yas! | |
| 14:57 | wizzyrea | later magnuse! |
| 15:00 | * drojf | hits crypt::gpg in the face |
| 15:00 | * mtompset | laughs. |
| 15:00 | mtompset | You can't hit a perl module in the face. |
| 15:01 | drojf | oh yes i can |
| 15:01 | mtompset | you can only hit it in its package! ;) |
| 15:01 | drojf | heh |
| 15:01 | wizzyrea | @quote add <mtompset> You can't hit a perl module in the face. You can only hit it in its package! |
| 15:01 | huginn | wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 15:01 | wizzyrea | noo |
| 15:02 | mtompset | Please don't add that. |
| 15:02 | wizzyrea | that's an awesome one though. |
| 15:02 | I don't have to put your name on it | |
| 15:02 | if you'd rather | |
| 15:02 | mtompset | Okay... don't put my name. |
| 15:02 | wizzyrea | :D yay thanks |
| 15:02 | jcamins | mtompset: it's still in the logs. |
| 15:02 | And it's pretty awesome. | |
| 15:03 | wizzyrea | @quote add You can't hit a perl module in the face. You can only hit it in its package! |
| 15:03 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #219 added. |
| 15:03 | jcamins | Very, awesome, even. |
| 15:03 | wizzyrea | seriously, one of the better jokes we've had :) |
| 15:03 | very funny. | |
| 15:03 | and will make people laugh when we do | |
| 15:03 | @quote random | |
| 15:03 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #61: "*wizzyrea doesn't like hoity toity technical talk...<wizzyrea> wait, that's a lie" (added by jdavidb at 05:19 PM, February 24, 2010) |
| 15:03 | wizzyrea | and it comes up |
| 15:05 | mtompset | jcamins: Yes, but someone would have to hunt through the logs to find it. Quotes are far more accessible to someone who is bored. |
| 15:05 | Oops... I just hit enter... | |
| 15:05 | I hope that was postpone a reboot. | |
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| 15:06 | kf | @quote random |
| 15:06 | huginn | kf: Quote #170: "<jcamins> A lot of people seem to have no idea what they're running." (added by chris_n at 07:26 PM, December 07, 2011) |
| 15:07 | jcamins | True enough. |
| 15:07 | mtompset | Very true. Sadly. :( |
| 15:07 | @quote random | |
| 15:07 | huginn | mtompset: Quote #194: "oleonard: Everyone will be all, Wow, that guys smells like he really wishes he could have sex!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:55 PM, March 29, 2012) |
| 15:07 | * wizzyrea | remembers that day |
| 15:07 | mtompset | Woah! What was the context on that? |
| 15:07 | * oleonard | doesn't! |
| 15:07 | jcamins | ... |
| 15:08 | * kf | goes to hunt the logs |
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| 15:08 | wizzyrea | I like the ones that make you go "omg what were we talking about" |
| 15:08 | jcamins | lol |
| 15:08 | I was right. | |
| 15:09 | It did raise eyebrows. | |
| 15:09 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 15:09 | jcamins | While oleonard said that, libsysguy was eating a sandwich, apparently. |
| 15:10 | libsysguy | ? |
| 15:10 | sandwiches? | |
| 15:10 | * oleonard | is more confused now |
| 15:10 | jcamins | libsysguy: so it would seem. That's what you told us. |
| 15:10 | * jcamins | looked in the logs to see the context. |
| 15:10 | libsysguy | scrolling... |
| 15:10 | kf | meh can't find it |
| 15:11 | jcamins | The next thing that jumped out was libsysguy saying "and eating a sandwich, but that didn't cause the error" or words to that effect. |
| 15:11 | mtompset | "...i guess that is irrelevant to the error" |
| 15:12 | http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]12-03-29#i_934613 | |
| 15:12 | libsysguy | mmm sandwiches |
| 15:12 | still doesn't see how the sandwich comment relates to oleonards having sex comment | |
| 15:13 | sandwiches =~ sex? | |
| 15:13 | oleonard | Okay yeah now I remember. My comment was perfectly logical in context. |
| 15:13 | jcamins | It was. |
| 15:13 | mtompset | bus-fresh. :) |
| 15:14 | libsysguy | aww I still worked for UTT then |
| 15:14 | no wonder I was having a sandwich…I was probably stress eating | |
| 15:14 | oleonard | Mmmm... Stress sandwich. |
| 15:15 | kf | did you have any sandwiches today? |
| 15:15 | * kf | is just checking the stress status |
| 15:16 | wizzyrea | that statement totally does make sense in context! |
| 15:16 | even better is what oleonard said just after that | |
| 15:16 | "now when that quote comes up randomly I can try to insist I was talking about Zebra" | |
| 15:16 | drojf | lol |
| 15:17 | libsysguy | no sandwiches today kf |
| 15:17 | just eggs and turkey dogs | |
| 15:17 | jcamins | drojf: did you see my Plack+Starman+nginx configuration? |
| 15:17 | wizzyrea | lol this whole thing is off the hook. |
| 15:17 | http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]12-03-29#i_934570 | |
| 15:17 | drojf | turkey dogs? i hope that is not what magnuse breeds |
| 15:17 | jcamins: yes, very cool. have not tried it, but i will | |
| 15:17 | kf | shiny happy zebras holding hands? :) |
| 15:17 | wizzyrea | EXACTLY. |
| 15:18 | libsysguy | only if they are low calorie substitutes to regular dogs |
| 15:18 | drojf | ah no it's puffin dogs ;) |
| 15:18 | libsysguy | i thought those were dragons |
| 15:18 | puffin dragons ;) | |
| 15:19 | wizzyrea | who would make a sausage out of a puffin? |
| 15:19 | libsysguy | not I |
| 15:21 | mtompset | How did you get from rangi being assaulted by smells that imply the wrong thing to zebra mating with solr, wizzyrea? |
| 15:21 | kf | reread it |
| 15:21 | it's totally logical | |
| 15:22 | mtompset | starting from where? |
| 15:22 | wizzyrea | well "totally logical" might be a stretch. |
| 15:23 | * wizzyrea | has a strange mind |
| 15:23 | wizzyrea | I think you have to go back a little bit |
| 15:23 | to the solr/zebra | |
| 15:23 | http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]12-03-29#i_934559 | |
| 15:24 | kf | wizzyrea: I like how your mind works :) |
| 15:24 | I will miss you in my afternoons | |
| 15:24 | wizzyrea | but you'll get me in the evening! |
| 15:24 | mtompset | I missed oleonard's reply in my initial pass. |
| 15:24 | kf | well late in the evening |
| 15:24 | and early in the mornings :) | |
| 15:24 | so less wizzyrea time for us europeans | |
| 15:25 | wizzyrea | some might think that's ok :) |
| 15:25 | kf | I don't - but still happy for you :) |
| 15:26 | mtompset | Yes, congratulations on the upcoming move. |
| 15:26 | wizzyrea | thanks :) |
| 15:26 | pretty excited - but so much to do | |
| 15:26 | Oak | why where are you going wizzyrea ? |
| 15:26 | wizzyrea | and am having trouble focusing |
| 15:27 | mtompset | She's going to NZ to work with ... i forget... one of those big koha support providers. |
| 15:27 | libsysguy | Catalyst :p |
| 15:27 | mtompset | Greetings, Oak! |
| 15:28 | Oak | hey mtompset :) |
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| 15:29 | oleonard | I'll bet NEKLS is freaking out just as much to be losing you wizzyrea |
| 15:29 | Ain't nobody around there got all the qualifications they have on that job listing | |
| 15:29 | laurence left #koha | |
| 15:30 | Oak | kf |
| 15:30 | magnuse | |
| 15:30 | druthb | o/ |
| 15:30 | Oak | hello oleonard |
| 15:31 | mtompset | Greetings, druthb: Translation Manager. |
| 15:31 | Oak | druthb! where do you disappear? |
| 15:31 | druthb | :D |
| 15:31 | libsysguy | you don't want to know Oak :p |
| 15:32 | * druthb | hides a lot. |
| 15:32 | Oak | :) heh |
| 15:32 | libsysguy | really she is always behind you…waiting…to migrate your data |
| 15:33 | mtompset | Well, it's crazy late here, and I have to test out kf's idea regarding a problem we're experiencing tomorrow morning. |
| 15:33 | kf++ # thanks for the idea. | |
| 15:33 | @quote random | |
| 15:33 | huginn | mtompset: Quote #134: "<cait> birthday wishes go over crazy bugs :)" (added by gmcharlt at 06:49 PM, May 20, 2011) |
| 15:34 | * Oak | thinks she should stay connected to the irc. it gives us peace to see everyone is here. not chatting perhaps. but here. |
| 15:34 | druthb | @later tell tcohen I agree; we need a translation meeting fairly soon, to discuss the manual translation and plenty of other things. I'd like to get a feel for what sorts of concerns are out there for us to address. I'll figure something out, and announce it soon. |
| 15:34 | huginn | druthb: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:35 | mtompset | Have a good day (24 hour period) everyone! :) |
| 15:36 | Oak | @later tell mtompset your poem was cool... :) |
| 15:36 | huginn | Oak: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:37 | druthb | @quote random |
| 15:37 | huginn | druthb: Quote #72: "<nengard> it's evil xslt in the staff client" (added by jdavidb at 12:28 PM, April 29, 2010) |
| 15:37 | Oak | @wunder Konstanz |
| 15:37 | huginn | Oak: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.7°C (5:35 PM CEST on October 10, 2012). Conditions: Drizzle. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:37 | druthb | whoa...haven't heard *that* name in a while. |
| 15:38 | * druthb | has a brief existential crisis, then moves along to other things. |
| 15:38 | druthb | wahanui: Oak? |
| 15:38 | wahanui | i guess Oak is Arslan. I am a student doing masters in Library Science (2nd semester). I am a web developer and work in Joomla. or good |
| 15:38 | Oak | kf leave early today. have coffee in a cafe somewhere. |
| 15:39 | druthb | hm... |
| 15:39 | Oak | :) |
| 15:39 | druthb | wahanui: druthb? |
| 15:39 | wahanui | you are TM for 3.12. Now we know she's crazy. |
| 15:39 | jcamins | Oak: good luck getting her to listen to you. |
| 15:39 | jcamins? | |
| 15:39 | wahanui | well, jcamins is running for release manager for 3.12 and a his work on authorities is amazing! |
| 15:39 | jcamins | forget jcamins |
| 15:39 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot jcamins |
| 15:39 | Oak | jcamins, I try ... |
| 15:39 | gaetan_B | bye |
| 15:39 | jcamins | jcamins is RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search. |
| 15:39 | jcamins? | |
| 15:39 | wahanui | you are RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search. |
| 15:39 | Oak | gaetan_B, later |
| 15:40 | druthb | jcamins? |
| 15:40 | wahanui | jcamins is brilliant |
| 15:40 | kf | :) |
| 15:40 | cait? | |
| 15:40 | jcamins | Awww. |
| 15:40 | kf | drojf: I am slightly disppointed now :) |
| 15:40 | kf? | |
| 15:40 | wahanui | you are cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert. |
| 15:40 | jcamins | cait? |
| 15:41 | Oak | slides? |
| 15:41 | wahanui | kf should be writing slides |
| 15:41 | druthb | jcamins? |
| 15:41 | wahanui | hmmm... jcamins is brilliant |
| 15:41 | drojf | kf: when you least expect it… |
| 15:41 | wizzyrea | nah, not freaking. If they can get even 1/3 of the stuff on that list they'll be fine. |
| 15:41 | druthb | I see it finally got rid of the "or" clauses properly. |
| 15:41 | * druthb | put in an easter egg. Or maybe two. For jcamins to find. |
| 15:41 | Oak | kf will you ever listen to us poor souls? |
| 15:42 | jcamins | drojf: were you around when I learned the reason the error documents don't work is that PSGI applications aren't allowed to use .pl files as error documents. |
| 15:42 | druthb | @eightball will kf ever listen to us and leave work early and relax? |
| 15:42 | huginn | druthb: Naturally. |
| 15:42 | jcamins | lol |
| 15:42 | kf | she can't |
| 15:42 | Oak | damn |
| 15:42 | kf | she has a training to prepare and a gazillion tickets to deal with |
| 15:43 | druthb | broken eightball. wahanui got fixed, but that's broken. |
| 15:43 | Oak | you know, an hour for yourself won't be bad for you. |
| 15:43 | i promise. | |
| 15:43 | drojf | jcamins: i read the log |
| 15:43 | wizzyrea | in fact, it will help |
| 15:44 | Oak | or for the damn training and stupid tickets. |
| 15:44 | * Oak | hides |
| 15:44 | drojf | jcamins: have not heard from dpavlin_ about his config, if it is not obvious from that how he made error pages work i'll ask for that too |
| 15:44 | jcamins | drojf: okay. |
| 15:44 | drojf: he's using Apache... | |
| 15:44 | drojf | ah ok |
| 15:45 | let's just paint nix html error pages ;) | |
| 15:45 | nice | |
| 15:45 | * druthb | thinks that's the first time she's ever seen Oak say "damn." |
| 15:46 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 15:46 | drojf: yes, that seems the way to go. | |
| 15:46 | Oak | :) |
| 15:48 | jcamins | drojf: actually, what I'd really prefer is if Plack passed the error back to nginx, but I suppose that's not doable. |
| 15:49 | drojf | that would be cool |
| 15:50 | jcamins | The FAQ says that's not supported by current web servers. |
| 15:50 | kf | Oak: I know - almost ready to go now :) |
| 15:51 | druthb: I think we are bad influence | |
| 15:51 | Oak | oh good. i had written that -> kf if you leave early i'll sing you a song on Skype or G+ later. |
| 15:51 | but no need now. | |
| 15:51 | druthb | kf: probably. |
| 15:52 | Oak | bad influence on who? |
| 15:53 | ah got it | |
| 15:55 | * Oak | wanders off |
| 15:55 | kf | oh no... |
| 15:55 | darn. | |
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| 16:06 | drojf | w00t. koha gnupg'd my checkin message |
| 16:06 | jcamins | drojf: very cool. |
| 16:06 | This reminds me. | |
| 16:07 | I have to figure out how to get my package signing key off my VM and onto my server. | |
| 16:08 | I also have to figure out gpg agent on Ubuntu. | |
| 16:10 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #874 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 16:10 | drojf | jcamins: i just copied the keys into a file on the vm, then imported with 'gpg --import filename', got long key id with 'gpg --list-keys --with-colons <key_id>' and trusted with 'gpg -e -r --trustedkey <long key id> somefile' |
| 16:11 | don't know if directly encrypting a file to trust the key is still needed, came from a very old posting where i found out what the long id is | |
| 16:11 | jcamins | How did you get the keys into the file? |
| 16:12 | drojf | exported in file from thunderbird/openpgp |
| 16:13 | don't knpow if you can just import your .gpg file | |
| 16:13 | i don't have a share folder between my notebook and the vm at the moment and i wanted to avoid sending that file around via some other server | |
| 16:14 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8831: relabel gstrate with Tax rate <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]459e5ab3c1c67974c> / Bug 8700 - RESERVESLIP fields not being replaced correctly <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d5dab919a6d00e5ca> / Bug 8820 - Don't show orders table if there are no orders <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]eb/?p=koha.git;a= |
| 16:14 | jcamins | Oh, looks like I can just transfer .gnupg using scp. |
| 16:14 | drojf | it's --trusted-key btw, was a typo. 'gpg -e -r --trusted-key <long key id> somefile' |
| 16:14 | a that's fancy | |
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| 16:16 | jcamins | Cool, worked perfectly. |
| 16:16 | And I remembered not to encrypt the tgz using the private key I was trying to transfer. :) | |
| 16:17 | drojf | :) |
| 16:17 | vfernandes | guys I'm having one problem using MARC21 and Koha searches... if I search for "Diacrítica: revista do Centro de Estudos Humanísticos. Série filosofia e cultura" there is no results, but if I search for "Diacrítica revista do Centro de Estudos Humanísticos. Série filosofia e cultura" there is 1 result. |
| 16:17 | there is some problem with ":" | |
| 16:17 | jcamins | vfernandes: yes. |
| 16:17 | vfernandes | I didn't search the sort string |
| 16:18 | *I didn't change the sort_string.chr | |
| 16:18 | kf | I think there is a bug report for that |
| 16:18 | problems with : | |
| 16:18 | jcamins | Put a space in between Diacritica and the colon. |
| 16:18 | There is a bug, somewhere. | |
| 16:18 | drojf | kf: and you can't search it because if the ":"? |
| 16:18 | of | |
| 16:18 | jcamins | drojf: hehe. |
| 16:19 | vfernandes | If I put a space before it works |
| 16:20 | jcamins | That is, unfortunately, what you have to do. |
| 16:20 | * kf | heard this could be fixed by this search rewrite |
| 16:20 | jcamins | kf: funny, I heard that too! |
| 16:20 | Oh, wait. | |
| 16:20 | I'm the one who said so. :D | |
| 16:21 | vfernandes | :) |
| 16:21 | kf | search rewrite? |
| 16:21 | wahanui | it has been said that search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]earch_Rewrite_RFC |
| 16:21 | kf | and now Ileave :) |
| 16:21 | bye all! | |
| 16:21 | kf left #koha | |
| 16:21 | vfernandes | lol |
| 16:22 | i'll let the client know that is a system bug | |
| 16:22 | jcamins | vfernandes: if they are interested in getting it fixed, sponsorship opportunities for the search rewrite are still available. |
| 16:23 | 1(b) is underway. | |
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| 16:29 | libsysguy | ^^ oh I wonder who wrote that |
| 16:29 | heh | |
| 16:30 | jcamins | libsysguy: isn't a "wipeout" what happens when you're ice skating and lean too far forward? :P |
| 16:30 | libsysguy | it is also a song |
| 16:30 | wahanui | okay, libsysguy. |
| 16:30 | libsysguy | what is a wipeout |
| 16:30 | aww c'mon wahanui | |
| 16:31 | wipeout | |
| 16:31 | jcamins | it? |
| 16:31 | it? | |
| 16:31 | it? | |
| 16:31 | wahanui | hmmm... it is a song |
| 16:31 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 16:31 | libsysguy | heh |
| 16:31 | soab | |
| 16:31 | wahanui forget it | |
| 16:31 | wahanui | libsysguy: I forgot it |
| 16:31 | libsysguy | LOL |
| 16:32 | wahanui wipeout is a song or when you lean too far forward ice skating | |
| 16:32 | wahanui | OK, libsysguy. |
| 16:32 | libsysguy | wipeout? |
| 16:32 | wahanui | hmmm... wipeout is a song or when you lean too far forward ice skating |
| 16:32 | libsysguy | ok ill stop poking the bot now |
| 16:32 | jcamins | wahanui: it is <reply> |
| 16:32 | wahanui | OK, jcamins. |
| 16:32 | jcamins | it? |
| 16:32 | it is so. | |
| 16:32 | it? | |
| 16:32 | :) | |
| 16:33 | libsysguy | wahanui: it is @quote random |
| 16:33 | wahanui | ...but it is <reply>... |
| 16:33 | libsysguy | :p |
| 16:33 | jcamins | Ooh, that's an intriguing idea. |
| 16:33 | libsysguy | yeah I was wondering if wahanui supported nesting |
| 16:34 | jcamins | wahanui: @quote 123 is <reply> @quote get 123 |
| 16:34 | wahanui | OK, jcamins. |
| 16:34 | jcamins | @quote 123 |
| 16:34 | wahanui | @quote get 123 |
| 16:34 | huginn | jcamins: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 16:34 | wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) | |
| 16:34 | wahanui | ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>... |
| 16:34 | jcamins | :) |
| 16:34 | libsysguy | we are going to break the bots |
| 16:35 | oleonard | Save your logical paradoxes for frying the brains of invading alien robot probes please |
| 16:35 | libsysguy | heh jcamins and I could probably come up with some good ones |
| 16:38 | SJeffery | Grr, I think someone fixed how Koha handles URLs, which broke all of our stuff. |
| 16:38 | oleonard | "handles URLs?" |
| 16:38 | libsysguy | ^^ ? |
| 16:38 | wahanui | hmmm... ^^ is always wizzyrea's concern, weird stuff could happen |
| 16:38 | wizzyrea | forget ^^ |
| 16:38 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot ^^ |
| 16:39 | libsysguy | heh silly wizzyrea |
| 16:39 | jcamins | I don't recall any changes to URL handling. |
| 16:40 | SJeffery | You used to be able to put //servername/path/file.ext in the 856 and have it work (at least in IE). Now that no longer works...it tries to add the base URL of the installation to the address. I can't recall patching IE, so I will happily blame the Koha gods. |
| 16:40 | jcamins | Hmmm... it's always been like that. |
| 16:40 | At least as far as I can recall. | |
| 16:40 | libsysguy | jcamins SJeffery thinks we're gods :p |
| 16:40 | * oleonard | blames IE whenever possible |
| 16:41 | * libsysguy | only considers himself a demigod :p |
| 16:41 | SJeffery | I swear I had it working at one point! |
| 16:41 | jcamins | If you use a relative path, your web browser will interpret as being on the same server. |
| 16:41 | SJeffery | (or broken, which means working!) |
| 16:41 | jcamins | *it |
| 16:42 | SJeffery | Is there a way to trick the browser into not using it? |
| 16:42 | jcamins | That's the reason for that Microsoft stuck \/\/\/\/ in URLs at one point. |
| 16:42 | Or \\\\\\\\. | |
| 16:42 | I don't quite remember. | |
| 16:42 | Try \\\\\\\\? | |
| 16:42 | You only use IE. | |
| 16:43 | Actually, IE may need fewer. Maybe just \\\\? | |
| 16:44 | SJeffery: wait, why don't you just stick file:// in front of it? | |
| 16:45 | file://server/path/to/file | |
| 16:45 | SJeffery | Emoticons are the way to fix IE? Who would have thought:) |
| 16:46 | jcamins | lol |
| 16:47 | wizzyrea | heh. |
| 16:47 | jcamins | Put on a happy face when IE puts you out, walk down the net and for the right syntax look... |
| 16:48 | Not bad, eh? | |
| 16:48 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 16:51 | libsysguy | lunch does sound good |
| 16:51 | if I could have some carbs :'( | |
| 16:52 | wizzyrea | no way http://bit.ly/dw_monopolygame |
| 16:52 | boo grain is evil. | |
| 16:52 | you don't eat that stuff anymore. | |
| 16:52 | ;) | |
| 16:52 | * wizzyrea | is being encouraging |
| 16:53 | * oleonard | is confused by conflicting dietary advice |
| 16:53 | jcamins | wizzyrea: and of course when you're doing really well you have to say "EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!" |
| 16:53 | libsysguy | it is confusing |
| 16:54 | hehe thanks wizzyrea | |
| 16:54 | * jcamins | is not giving up grains. |
| 16:54 | * libsysguy | will start eating oats again when I get back to a gym |
| 16:54 | wizzyrea | hehe oleonard |
| 16:54 | * libsysguy | needs a gym to get back to :'( |
| 16:54 | wizzyrea | oats are okish. |
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| 16:55 | * jcamins | has cut back on meat, and that's about all the dietary changes he's making at this time. |
| 16:55 | SJeffery | tried the file(colon)/, that works, but apparently IE does not support clicking on that type of link...figures. |
| 16:55 | jcamins | SJeffery: IE doesn't support clicking on the link? |
| 16:55 | libsysguy | solution: don't use IE |
| 16:55 | jcamins | That's... |
| 16:56 | wizzyrea | yea, why are you using IE? |
| 16:56 | jcamins | actually, not all that surprising. |
| 16:56 | * wizzyrea | totally suspects that it *did* work |
| 16:56 | wizzyrea | but IE had an update |
| 16:56 | and now it doesn't | |
| 16:56 | jcamins | It is a Wednesday. |
| 16:57 | oleonard | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_URI_scheme |
| 16:58 | jcamins | SJeffery: try adding two additional slashes? |
| 16:59 | It's just a workaround, but it might by you another patch or two. | |
| 17:00 | SJeffery | on the plus side, we run IE8:) |
| 17:00 | wizzyrea | the plus side? |
| 17:00 | that's the plus side? | |
| 17:00 | jcamins | wizzyrea: compared to IE7? |
| 17:00 | Yes. | |
| 17:00 | wizzyrea | oh, well yes. |
| 17:00 | * jcamins | shudders. |
| 17:00 | SJeffery | We were on 6 until recently |
| 17:00 | * wizzyrea | shudders |
| 17:01 | wizzyrea | recently as in the last 6 months? |
| 17:01 | libsysguy | IE6 |
| 17:01 | holy mother... | |
| 17:02 | did the internet even work? | |
| 17:02 | i think developers gave up on 6 years ago | |
| 17:02 | wizzyrea | more importantly, how did Koha work? |
| 17:02 | * wizzyrea | suspects the answer is "not well" |
| 17:03 | jcamins | wizzyrea: actually, other than javascript, it functioned reasonably okay, I think. |
| 17:03 | SJeffery | Actually, the internet did sortof stop working. Entire parts of pages would not render at all. |
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| 17:03 | jcamins | For the OPAC. |
| 17:03 | SJeffery | I think this might be the issue (from the bottom of the wikipedia page): "Internet Explorer browsers, prior to version 7, will attempt to access file: URLs even if they reside on pages fetched over HTTP" |
| 17:04 | wizzyrea | I often wonder how people who use IE view the web - they must think it's completely broken. |
| 17:04 | jcamins | Oh, of course... a security issue, now fixed. |
| 17:04 | drojf | ha-ha *hides* |
| 17:05 | SJeffery | drojf: I will be at the next Koha conference, and I *will* find you! |
| 17:06 | jcamins | SJeffery: well, perhaps you could persuade IT to change the security policy for the Koha catalog to LAN? |
| 17:06 | * jcamins | does not make any claims to this being a good idea. |
| 17:06 | wizzyrea | or, convince IT that they should not force you to use IE? |
| 17:07 | * wizzyrea | hopes that she's not sticking her foot in her mouth and that you are the person making these decisions >.< |
| 17:07 | wizzyrea | (because that's totally not my intention) |
| 17:08 | afk lunch | |
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| 17:10 | SJeffery | Sadly, I have zero control about anything on our local systems and only a tiny bit of control of our network. |
| 17:10 | sekjal | while (true) { kf++;} #congrats on QAM for 3.12! |
| 17:15 | nengard left #koha | |
| 17:15 | libsysguy | shoot i missed the meeting this morning |
| 17:15 | I totally forgot | |
| 17:15 | * jcamins | remembered. But I decided that I needed to sleep, after having been up at 4 yesterday. |
| 17:15 | drojf | bad luck, we did not vote for you now libsysguy :P |
| 17:15 | bad luck, we voted for you now jcamins :P | |
| 17:16 | libsysguy | hehe less QA for me then |
| 17:16 | oleonard | Or better yet: bad luck, we voted for you for everything libsysguy |
| 17:16 | drojf | libsysguy: kidding |
| 17:16 | libsysguy | NOOOO |
| 17:16 | oleonard | |
| 17:16 | wahanui | oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer |
| 17:16 | libsysguy | not funny man |
| 17:16 | logs? | |
| 17:16 | wahanui | hmmm... logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 17:16 | libsysguy | thanks wahanui |
| 17:20 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #874: SUCCESS in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/874/ |
| 17:21 | * adrien.saurat: Bug 8441: hides MODS export by default in French install | |
| 17:21 | * mtompset: Bug 8742 - Example uses perl 5.8 in Makefile.PL | |
| 17:21 | * julian.maurice: Bug 8801: Add menu entry to delete items in batch | |
| 17:21 | * oleonard: Bug 8820 - Don't show orders table if there are no orders | |
| 17:21 | * kyle: Bug 8700 - RESERVESLIP fields not being replaced correctly | |
| 17:21 | * nengard: Bug 8831: relabel gstrate with Tax rate | |
| 17:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8441 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Hide MODS export for UNIMARC |
| 17:21 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8742 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Passed QA , Example uses perl 5.8 in Makefile.PL | |
| 17:21 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8801 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Offer to batch delete items of a biblio record | |
| 17:21 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8820 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Don't show orders table if there are no orders | |
| 17:21 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8700 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , RESERVESLIP fields not being replaced correctly | |
| 17:21 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8831 minor, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , gstrate should say 'Tax rate' | |
| 17:39 | cait joined #koha | |
| 17:40 | * cait | waves |
| 17:45 | mveron | Cool, this calendar... |
| 17:59 | rangi | Morning |
| 17:59 | wahanui | somebody said Morning was a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. |
| 17:59 | cait | morning :) |
| 18:03 | rangi | Who wants to post the roles on the website? |
| 18:05 | cait | I asked ealier and noone reacted :) |
| 18:05 | rangi | Hehe |
| 18:05 | Me I guess | |
| 18:13 | jcamins_away | rangi++ # for volunteering |
| 18:15 | rangi | Will do when I get to work |
| 18:16 | mtate joined #koha | |
| 18:26 | rangi | Hmm I think it's pizza Thursday |
| 18:26 | jcamins | I was thinking that too. |
| 18:27 | cait | no, it was pizza wednesday :) |
| 18:27 | jcamins | You're right. |
| 18:27 | Pizza Wednesday. | |
| 18:28 | * jcamins | saw "pizza" which is exactly what he was thinking about a scant five minutes ago. |
| 18:28 | rangi | It's never pizza Wednesday |
| 18:28 | It's curry Wednesday | |
| 18:28 | Manderson joined #koha | |
| 18:28 | jcamins | Ah, curries are contentious here. |
| 18:29 | rangi | Two catalyst traditions liz will learn |
| 18:29 | wajasu joined #koha | |
| 18:32 | cait | lucky liz :) |
| 18:33 | rangi | Pizza and talks |
| 18:33 | I wonder what topics today | |
| 18:35 | Bbiab | |
| 18:38 | wajasu | jcamins: i noticed that when i ran link_bibs_to_authorites.pl with --test, it calls LinkBibHeadingsToAuthorities, which if you have AutoAddAuthorities syspref enabled, calls AddAuthority, which results in auth_header being updated. |
| 18:38 | jcamins | Interesting. You should file a bug. |
| 18:39 | wajasu | ok. |
| 18:39 | nengard joined #koha | |
| 18:41 | jcamins | Note to bloggers: when blogging, you still need punctuation. |
| 18:41 | The first sentence of that blog post was... 10 lines long? | |
| 18:41 | * jcamins | didn't bother reading it all, much less the rest of the post. |
| 18:41 | wizzyrea | curry! |
| 18:43 | rangi | back |
| 18:44 | drojf++ #gpg emails | |
| 18:45 | cait | wizzyrea: you are so lucky! |
| 18:45 | * jcamins | is jealous. |
| 18:45 | * cait | too |
| 18:47 | rangi | ooh accessibility hour is one of the talks, and gerrit is another |
| 18:47 | cait | :) |
| 18:56 | oleonard | What about gpg emails? |
| 18:56 | drojf | bug 8897 |
| 18:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8897 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, In Discussion , Optional GnuPG encryption of outgoing emails |
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| 19:05 | cait | 4000/8 |
| 19:05 | oh come on wahanui :) | |
| 19:05 | oleonard | 4000 / 8 ? |
| 19:05 | wahanui | 500 |
| 19:06 | cait | right |
| 19:06 | heh, ok, that was really lazy | |
| 19:06 | wajasu | 8*500 |
| 19:06 | oleonard | 4000 / 8 - 321 * 77 + 4 ? |
| 19:06 | wahanui | -24213 |
| 19:06 | oleonard | Yup, checks out. |
| 19:06 | * oleonard | did that in his head |
| 19:06 | jcamins | 8*500 |
| 19:07 | 8*500? | |
| 19:07 | wahanui | 8*500 is probably 200 |
| 19:07 | wajasu | ha |
| 19:07 | * wajasu | such is the sound of remove_items_from_biblioitems. |
| 19:08 | wajasu | do that remove duplicate info from the marc or marcxml in biblioitems? |
| 19:09 | magnuse | drojf: nope, mine are puffin dogs :-) |
| 19:09 | jcamins | No, it removes items from biblioitems entirely. |
| 19:09 | cait | magnuse? :) |
| 19:09 | wizzyrea | puffin dogs! |
| 19:09 | magnuse | cait? |
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| 19:09 | wizzyrea | puffin dogs? |
| 19:09 | drojf | magnuse: :) |
| 19:09 | cait | was wondering why you repeated that :) |
| 19:09 | magnuse | yup! |
| 19:09 | jcamins | puffin dogs? |
| 19:09 | wahanui | puffin dogs are not birds |
| 19:09 | wajasu | where were they stored? in db fields? or marcxml tag fields? |
| 19:09 | jcamins | items. |
| 19:10 | drojf | puffin dog items? |
| 19:10 | * magnuse | tries not to store puffindogs in *either db fields or marcxml tags fields too often |
| 19:11 | * wizzyrea | is still lost - what are puffin dogs? |
| 19:11 | jcamins | wizzyrea: according to wahanui, they're not birds. |
| 19:11 | drojf | they would not fit because of the extra toes ;) |
| 19:12 | magnuse | wizzyrea: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lundehund <-- read that and be amazed! :-) |
| 19:12 | cait | indeed |
| 19:12 | * wizzyrea | reads |
| 19:12 | wizzyrea | oh my that dog is adorable. |
| 19:12 | cait | they have too many toes and can move their head like the person in the excorsict |
| 19:12 | wizzyrea | whoa. |
| 19:13 | magnuse | then have a look at this pic: http://www.flickr.com/photos/l[…]eblogg/417311473/ |
| 19:13 | * wizzyrea | dies from the cute |
| 19:13 | magnuse | hehe |
| 19:14 | wizzyrea | I like this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/l[…]l/in/photostream/ |
| 19:14 | cute cute cute | |
| 19:14 | magnuse | see, we gotta have kohacon up here some time in the future so y'all can meet some puffindogs :-) |
| 19:15 | wizzyrea | "Norwegian Puffin Dog" |
| 19:15 | but why *puffin* | |
| 19:15 | because they are balls of adorable puffy fur? | |
| 19:15 | magnuse | 'cause they were used to hunt puffins |
| 19:15 | wizzyrea | you have puffins in norway? |
| 19:15 | rangi | not anymore |
| 19:15 | jcamins | puffins? |
| 19:15 | wahanui | puffins are birds, unless you're talking about the dogs. |
| 19:15 | * wizzyrea | rimshots |
| 19:15 | magnuse | they are in fact specially adapted to hunt exactly puffins |
| 19:15 | rangi | :) |
| 19:15 | magnuse | sure we do - still a fair number |
| 19:16 | but their numbers are dwindling, sadly | |
| 19:16 | wizzyrea | i am clearly uneducated in the biology of norway |
| 19:16 | * magnuse | can see them from his living room window, some years |
| 19:16 | cait | wizzyrea: you are going to nz - but I will go to oslo! |
| 19:17 | magnuse | wizzyrea: you better come over and dedicate a year or two to studying norwegian biology :-) |
| 19:17 | cait | well... only for 2 days... and no puffin digs |
| 19:17 | dogs | |
| 19:17 | wizzyrea | actually that will probably be my next trick. |
| 19:17 | j/k | |
| 19:17 | well more or less. | |
| 19:17 | cait | heh :) |
| 19:17 | magnuse | there are some in oslo, but i can't pronise anything :-) |
| 19:17 | cait | I favor that - same time zone |
| 19:17 | wizzyrea | i do love biology. |
| 19:17 | magnuse | yay! |
| 19:17 | drojf | wizzyrea: planning to work for libriotech in the future? ;) |
| 19:18 | wizzyrea | lol. oy. |
| 19:18 | oleonard | Hey, I wanna go to Oslo! |
| 19:18 | wizzyrea | maybe? |
| 19:18 | magnuse | ooh! |
| 19:18 | wizzyrea | oh, get oleonard |
| 19:18 | it's "use koha to save the americans" day | |
| 19:18 | * magnuse | wishes he could hire lots of cool koha folks like wizzyrea |
| 19:18 | cait | magnuse: yeah, get oleonard :) |
| 19:18 | * oleonard | was just thinking of a visit :) |
| 19:18 | magnuse | hmmm... |
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| 19:19 | jcamins | lol |
| 19:19 | wizzyrea | I did not think of puffins as a cold weather bird. |
| 19:19 | rangi | Get your two step on |
| 19:19 | http://soundcloud.com/poire-a-[…]rst-hardcore-song | |
| 19:19 | (thats for magnuse) | |
| 19:19 | jcamins | rangi++ # for points 5-8 |
| 19:19 | * cait | likes this one http://www.flickr.com/photos/l[…]9/in/photostream/ |
| 19:19 | cait | yep awesome list |
| 19:19 | magnuse | wizzyrea: do they live anywhere not cold? |
| 19:19 | wizzyrea | oh I want to invent time travel |
| 19:20 | cait | jcamins: it was decided yo uhave to entertain me in the afternoons now when liz will be no longer available |
| 19:20 | wizzyrea | well just because I didn't *think* of them as cold weather birds doesn't mean my thinking was *right* |
| 19:20 | oleonard | Those are in order by increasing unlikeliness? |
| 19:20 | magnuse | wizzyrea: hehe |
| 19:20 | * magnuse | has eaten puffin, once |
| 19:21 | jcamins | cait: go QA things! |
| 19:21 | cait | you woud eat a cute bird like this? |
| 19:21 | magnuse | yup |
| 19:21 | cait | doesn't have leonard a stuffed puffin? |
| 19:21 | * jcamins | ate pigeon once. |
| 19:21 | cait | they are not as cute |
| 19:21 | jcamins | Actually, it wasn't the eating that was the problem. |
| 19:21 | rangi | ive eaten pigeon |
| 19:21 | wizzyrea | ok they are adorable. I could not eat that. |
| 19:21 | jcamins | It was the cooking. |
| 19:21 | rangi | in macau |
| 19:22 | libsysguy | I just put up my blog post on how to use DBIx::Class |
| 19:22 | i'm sure it'll be here in a min via the twitbot | |
| 19:22 | wizzyrea | awwwwwwwwwwww |
| 19:22 | jcamins | The "I had to kill twelve animals in order to make a pie?" realization was unwanted. |
| 19:22 | cait | cutest baby ever |
| 19:22 | rangi | cute! |
| 19:22 | wizzyrea | at least it wasn't 4 and 20 |
| 19:22 | jcamins | Awww. |
| 19:23 | wizzyrea | i'm sure many of you have seen the epic adorable that is magnus' facebook profile pic. |
| 19:23 | * cait | nods and agrees |
| 19:23 | * magnuse | blushes :-) |
| 19:23 | wizzyrea | afk for a bit |
| 19:24 | jcamins | wizzyrea: you know, it never occurred to me to think about that nursery rhyme. |
| 19:24 | cait | with the little sheep on the clothes :) |
| 19:24 | magnuse | rangi: that song won't play - ff complains about not finding flash... |
| 19:24 | rangi | ah annoying |
| 19:25 | oleonard | It does require flash |
| 19:25 | * magnuse | thought he had flash |
| 19:26 | magnuse | now watch bywater's server get #koha'ed... |
| 19:26 | drojf | October 10th, 2012 by Chris Cormack "Yesterday the Koha community held an IRC meeting" <- future rangi strikes again ;) |
| 19:26 | rangi | it was yesterday for me :) |
| 19:27 | drojf | oi know, you live in the future :) |
| 19:28 | jcamins | libsysguy: you really just keep hoping I'll forget that we only support CGI out-of-the-box, don't you? |
| 19:28 | drojf | that list is cool. have there ever been that many people with roles? |
| 19:28 | cait | jcamins: hm? |
| 19:28 | rangi | drojf: nope biggest team ever |
| 19:28 | cait | drojf: my guess is no - seems to be more each time |
| 19:28 | drojf | \o/ |
| 19:28 | magnuse | \o/ |
| 19:29 | jcamins | cait: DeploymentHandler. |
| 19:29 | libsysguy really wants to use it. | |
| 19:29 | cait | oh |
| 19:29 | guess as qam I should know what you are talking about... | |
| 19:29 | * magnuse | has a short memory |
| 19:30 | * cait | should start on a reading list |
| 19:30 | magnuse | do we need persistance to use DBIC? |
| 19:30 | rangi | nope |
| 19:30 | but we do if we want to throw moose anywhere near anything | |
| 19:30 | worlds slowest OO framework | |
| 19:30 | magnuse | yeah, i remember that much... :-) |
| 19:30 | jcamins | We need persistance if we're using Moose for anything that people use. |
| 19:30 | rangi | deploymenthandler uses moose |
| 19:30 | magnuse | i was just not sure if DBIC somehow depended on Moose |
| 19:31 | jcamins | Nope. |
| 19:31 | magnuse | ah |
| 19:31 | jcamins | Just DeploymentHandler. |
| 19:31 | * magnuse | will try to remember that |
| 19:32 | libsysguy | somebody said my nick 3 times |
| 19:32 | jcamins I know you are anti-deployment handler | |
| 19:32 | but I had a thought | |
| 19:32 | well it was khall's thought | |
| 19:32 | and I am going to repeat it | |
| 19:33 | if deployment handler uses moose, which is laggy and monstrously large…what do we care if it is only called during an update… | |
| 19:34 | rangi | why pull in half of cpan for a rarely used feature then? |
| 19:34 | libsysguy | because the other version is depricated |
| 19:34 | rangi | if you package moose as a deb, and have it work |
| 19:34 | then i might slightly consider it | |
| 19:34 | libsysguy | if "I" package it? |
| 19:34 | heh | |
| 19:34 | jcamins | libsysguy: 'cause we have to check the system is up to date. |
| 19:34 | rangi | yup |
| 19:35 | libsysguy | :'( |
| 19:35 | rangi | cos no one else is going to :) |
| 19:35 | libsysguy | hehehe |
| 19:35 | cait | and only for an update that seems a bit... |
| 19:35 | are there distros that don't support moose for example? | |
| 19:35 | libsysguy | how long can we avoid Moose |
| 19:35 | cait | I mean it would be an absolute requirement for update |
| 19:35 | rangi | forever quite easily |
| 19:35 | cait | forever? |
| 19:35 | libsysguy | really |
| 19:35 | rangi | there are better oo frameworks |
| 19:35 | yep | |
| 19:35 | moo | |
| 19:35 | * cait | likes the sound of moo |
| 19:35 | rangi | tiny::class |
| 19:35 | heaps | |
| 19:36 | moose is rails | |
| 19:36 | its for lazy developers who think their time is more important than the users | |
| 19:36 | </rant> | |
| 19:36 | libsysguy | haha |
| 19:36 | drojf | lol |
| 19:36 | libsysguy | I thought Moose was required for Solr? |
| 19:36 | ^^ could be wrong | |
| 19:37 | jcamins | libsysguy: it is for the current implementation, but see note above about "having it work." |
| 19:38 | rangi | is ::Versioned deprecated? |
| 19:38 | khall | I've said it before, and I'll say it again, cpanm ; ) |
| 19:38 | rangi | ill say NO |
| 19:38 | again | |
| 19:38 | khall | heh : )= |
| 19:38 | rangi | debian maintained packages trump cpanm any day |
| 19:39 | unless you want to commit to replicated the debian security team :-) | |
| 19:39 | replicating even | |
| 19:39 | khall | what I really don't like is needing to install both from debian packages and from cpan. |
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| 19:40 | jcamins | khall: agreed. That's why we're moving towards Debian packages. |
| 19:40 | rangi | yep, there are very little that are cpan only (just the solr stuff) |
| 19:40 | liw and eythian have packaged tons of modules for debian | |
| 19:41 | and most of them made it into the squeeze, the rest are in wheezy | |
| 19:41 | magnuse | have fun #koha |
| 19:41 | rangi | and therefore ubuntu |
| 19:41 | khall | if we set the rule 'nothing that's not available as a debian package' I may not like it, but I could get behind it. |
| 19:42 | rangi | not available is ok, we can package it |
| 19:42 | jcamins | I'm comfortable with "not currently available but readily packageable." |
| 19:42 | rangi | its code that is incompatible with the packaged version that is the problem |
| 19:42 | jcamins | It's things like Moose that require tearing apart your environment in order to install -- much less package -- that are problems. |
| 19:43 | liw | packaging more cpan modules for Debian: ++ |
| 19:43 | khall | but isn't moose available in debian packages? |
| 19:43 | libsysguy | am I missing something http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libmoose-perl |
| 19:44 | rangi | 08:42 <@rangi> its code that is incompatible with the packaged version that is the problem |
| 19:44 | jcamins | Right, try using that with Koha and you'll kill your system. |
| 19:44 | Dead. | |
| 19:44 | rangi | the problem is the code for solr is incompatible with the packaged version of moose |
| 19:44 | you get into a messy upgrade/downgrade nightmare | |
| 19:45 | libsysguy | so both koha and solr are incompatible or just just solr currently in koha? |
| 19:45 | rangi | solr itself doesnt give a crap about perl :) |
| 19:45 | jcamins | I ended up needing to reinstall every single package in order to get Koha to run again after I tried to package a newer version of Moose in order to test Solr. |
| 19:45 | rangi | its just the implementation we have to talk to solr |
| 19:45 | libsysguy | well the solr integration bits :p |
| 19:45 | rangi | in particular |
| 19:45 | cait | and as solr is the only thing using moose right now... |
| 19:45 | rangi | Data::SearchEngine |
| 19:45 | * libsysguy | remembers that jcamins |
| 19:46 | cait | can't we make it talk to solr using something else? |
| 19:46 | rangi | im just waiting for jcamins to fix it all with his search rewrite :-) |
| 19:46 | libsysguy | yeah jcamins |
| 19:46 | why isn't that done yet | |
| 19:46 | rangi | which incidentally is looking really good so far |
| 19:46 | libsysguy | you've had what…like a week |
| 19:46 | jcamins | lol |
| 19:46 | rangi | but libsysguy/khall if you like OO frameworks, and you want one fast, and powerful check out moo |
| 19:47 | jcamins | Moo is pretty cool. |
| 19:47 | rangi | http://search.cpan.org/~mstrou[…]000004/lib/Moo.pm |
| 19:47 | cait | jcamins: how is the funding going? is the page up to date? |
| 19:47 | jcamins | And it meets the "must be easily packageable" requirement. |
| 19:47 | cait: I think so, yes. | |
| 19:47 | libsysguy | clever |
| 19:48 | just truncate Moose to Moo | |
| 19:48 | jcamins | No new news to report. Waiting on feedback from one of our earliest funders, then we'll do 1(b). |
| 19:48 | It's a little more than half of what Moose offers. | |
| 19:48 | But ten times faster. | |
| 19:48 | rangi | and doesnt depend on XS libs |
| 19:48 | so, could work on OSX if you were mental | |
| 19:48 | cait | jcamins: hope you hear back soon :) |
| 19:48 | rangi | and windows if you were demented |
| 19:49 | drojf | lol rangi |
| 19:49 | * libsysguy | is not THAT motivated |
| 19:49 | rangi | heh |
| 19:49 | but yeah the xs libs are what makes cross platform stuff harder | |
| 19:49 | jcamins | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=7417#c23 <-- speed |
| 19:49 | huginn | 04Bug 7417: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches |
| 19:49 | libsysguy | brb |
| 19:49 | khall | any thoughts on Mouse? |
| 19:49 | * oleonard | thinks these names are getting ridiculous |
| 19:50 | rangi | mouse is better than moose, but still about 3times as big as moo, and slower |
| 19:51 | libsysguy | back |
| 19:51 | khall | I'm wondering if Mouse + Any::Moose + DBIx::Class::DeploymentHandler is viable, or crazy |
| 19:51 | jcamins | Crazy. |
| 19:51 | khall | figured ; )= |
| 19:52 | jcamins | There's a page somewhere that explains why that will result in insanity under Plack. |
| 19:52 | rangi | if you could get it to go with moo, you'd be moving away from crazy |
| 19:52 | jcamins | Yeah, Moo was written in large part to fix the Mouse + Any::Moose + things like Plack = chaos. |
| 19:52 | libsysguy | b-b-but deployment handler has downgrades for when we screw up :p |
| 19:52 | rangi | heh, i wish those ever worked :) |
| 19:53 | khall | seriously, downgrades would be very very useful |
| 19:53 | rangi | how do you downgrade from removing a column |
| 19:53 | libsysguy | insert? |
| 19:53 | rangi | the data is gone |
| 19:53 | cait | what rangi says |
| 19:53 | i think it's only an interesting features for developers | |
| 19:53 | jcamins | libsysguy: the problem with downgrades is upgrade design, not technology. |
| 19:53 | cait | not for libraries |
| 19:53 | * rangi | has spent years trying to get reliable down patches for huge ssystems |
| 19:54 | rangi | the best downgrade, is a back up ;-) |
| 19:54 | * jcamins | wrote his own deployment system years ago. |
| 19:54 | rangi | having a downgrade system devs can use isnt a bad goal, but having it be useful in production is unlikely to ever be achieved |
| 19:55 | once data is gone, its gone | |
| 19:55 | khall | we've had to downgrade Koha sites due to make-or-break bugs that weren't found before release. |
| 19:55 | * rangi | hasnt |
| 19:55 | rangi | in 13 years |
| 19:56 | so ymmv | |
| 19:56 | cait | ymmv? |
| 19:56 | libsysguy | ^^ |
| 19:56 | khall | your milage may vary |
| 19:56 | libsysguy | heh |
| 19:56 | cait | thx |
| 19:56 | khall | np |
| 19:56 | jcamins | ymmv is your mileage may vary |
| 19:56 | cait | khall: but do you want to make that a regular thing? |
| 19:57 | libsysguy | ahh downgrades for deployment handler use the backups it makes |
| 19:57 | i think | |
| 19:57 | khall | you mean downgrade-ability? rangi has a good point. I think we could say 'this version can downgrade to this version' |
| 19:57 | rangi | if so, then you run into the same problem just using backups is |
| 19:57 | data is stale now | |
| 19:57 | jcamins | libsysguy: seems like that would be likely to lead to unwanted side effects. |
| 19:57 | rangi | do i go back and lose a day of circ |
| 19:58 | libsysguy | it could |
| 19:58 | but in a pinch | |
| 19:58 | jcamins | Better to not sugarcoat it and say "we support downgrades." |
| 19:58 | You have a backup from that same time, just use it. | |
| 19:58 | rangi | automated downgrades = most likely asplode and kill us all |
| 19:58 | libsysguy | man you guys are a tough crowd :p |
| 19:59 | rangi | i can see the use for development when you dont care about the data as much |
| 19:59 | but what if the upgrade is to add a column to issues | |
| 19:59 | then you do 3 days of circ | |
| 19:59 | then you try to downgrade | |
| 19:59 | libsysguy | maybe a warning…"YO FOOL YOU ABOUT TO DELTE SOME DATA!!!" |
| 19:59 | heh | |
| 20:00 | khall | how often is db data destroyed in an upgrade? I'd say rarely at most. It's usually new or transformed. |
| 20:00 | cait | I think better work on never ever make it necessary for people to downgrade |
| 20:00 | khall | cait++ |
| 20:00 | cait | andi am withrangi - I foresee lots and lots and lots of trouble |
| 20:00 | if we tried to | |
| 20:00 | rangi | khall: that transform might be a one way transform tho |
| 20:01 | ie, going back .. not doable | |
| 20:01 | khall | very true |
| 20:01 | wahanui | I know. That's why I said it. |
| 20:01 | jcamins | khall: well, there's the thing. We don't traditionally write our updates to be two-way, and most of the time the upgrades aren't idempotent, they just happen to cause errors when you rerun them. |
| 20:01 | khall | I'd say this dead horse has been throughly beaten at this point ; ) |
| 20:02 | rangi | i still would like to see something easier for testing |
| 20:02 | libsysguy | well I think its still possible for use to use versioned |
| 20:02 | we just won't support downgrades | |
| 20:02 | jcamins | I think using Versioned would be a great idea. |
| 20:02 | rangi | i like versioned |
| 20:02 | * libsysguy | shrugs |
| 20:02 | libsysguy | problem solved |
| 20:02 | khall | DeploymentHandler has other features that make it better, such as allowing perl scripts as part of the upgrade proccess. |
| 20:03 | rangi | yup |
| 20:03 | khall | if we use versioned, what do we do about db updates that require perl code? |
| 20:03 | rangi | but we can use versioned + scripts |
| 20:05 | khall | that would work. |
| 20:05 | What would you consider the biggest reason to switch to versioned from what we have? I would assume db agnosticism? | |
| 20:05 | rangi | yup |
| 20:06 | plus maintainablilty | |
| 20:06 | updatedatabase.pl is too long | |
| 20:06 | khall | I was just about to say that. I recall it being reset when we went to 3.0 |
| 20:06 | it's huge again! | |
| 20:07 | 5365 lines | |
| 20:08 | here's a question, what will get is to Koha 4.0? | |
| 20:08 | jcamins | A successor to yours truly. |
| 20:08 | khall | heh |
| 20:08 | libsysguy | aww you're giving up after just one go? |
| 20:09 | rangi | id say db agnosticism would be a definite candidate for a major number bump |
| 20:10 | jcamins | Or two, though that doesn't seem likely. |
| 20:12 | rangi | getting rid of kohastructure.sql is a big step along that path |
| 20:13 | oleonard | But... db agnosticism would suggest that there isn't one db which is better than all the rest! |
| 20:14 | rangi | oh yeah, forgot about that! |
| 20:15 | * oleonard | waves goodbye to #koha |
| 20:15 | drojf | did someone say postgresql? |
| 20:15 | rangi | cya oleonard |
| 20:18 | https://www.privacyfix.com/start | |
| 20:19 | reminds me i need to finish my mozilla persona work | |
| 20:21 | ibeardslee | you doing some dev for that? |
| 20:21 | rangi | yup, it's half done |
| 20:23 | when i get time ill finish it off | |
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| 20:40 | rangi | http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominio[…]-of-the-community |
| 20:46 | is wizzyrea back? | |
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| 20:48 | rangi | https://kiwicon.org/the-con/talks/ |
| 20:48 | * rangi | has his tickets already |
| 20:48 | trea | ooo |
| 20:48 | rangi | oh yes trea ! you too! |
| 20:49 | * trea | claps excitedly |
| 20:50 | rangi | https://kiwicon.org/the-con/talks/#e77 |
| 20:50 | looking forward to that one | |
| 20:50 | cait | *sigh :) |
| 20:51 | love the titles | |
| 20:54 | okok | |
| 20:54 | getting late :) | |
| 20:54 | night all :) | |
| 20:54 | rangi | cya cait |
| 20:55 | trea | night cait |
| 21:03 | cait left #koha | |
| 21:12 | wizzyrea | i don't have my tickets - I would have to find somewhere to stash the kiddo ;) |
| 21:14 | rangi | http://alumni.stanford.edu/get[…]?article_id=30828 <-- she doesnt need to HTFU |
| 21:15 | wizzyrea | wow srs. |
| 21:16 | and finished 3rd | |
| 21:16 | jebus. | |
| 21:16 | rangi | yup |
| 21:24 | http://nitrotasks.com/ | |
| 21:24 | interesting | |
| 21:24 | wahanui | hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 21:28 | wizzyrea | interesting indeed |
| 21:40 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #198 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 21:43 | jcamins | @karma rda |
| 21:43 | huginn | jcamins: rda has neutral karma. |
| 21:43 | jcamins | Really? |
| 21:43 | rangi | https://chrome.google.com/webs[…]rome-ntp-launcher |
| 21:43 | jcamins | @karma marc |
| 21:43 | huginn | jcamins: Karma for "marc" has been increased 0 times and decreased 9 times for a total karma of -9. |
| 21:44 | drojf | increased 0 times? that is hard to believe |
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| 22:20 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #198: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/198/ |
| 22:20 | * adrien.saurat: Bug 8441: hides MODS export by default in French install | |
| 22:20 | * kyle: Bug 8700 - RESERVESLIP fields not being replaced correctly | |
| 22:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8441 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , Hide MODS export for UNIMARC |
| 22:20 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8700 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , RESERVESLIP fields not being replaced correctly | |
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| 22:38 | user110 | is the #kohails used for any general tweets relating to Koha, or only certain things? |
| 22:38 | rangi | any general ones |
| 22:43 | user110 | sadly, I'll miss Nicole's talk at Internet Librarian on 21 Oct, but if Koha comes up in any of the sessions I attend I'll tweet it |
| 22:43 | rangi | cool |
| 22:58 | jcamins | rangi: "Elliott" has two 't's. |
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| 22:58 | rangi | ta will fix |
| 22:58 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 23:04 | rangi | fixed |
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