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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:17 | jcamins_away | Hm. I will need to adjust release-tool.pl to test installing in a chroot, I think. |
| 00:30 | We have a bunch of db dependent tests that fail on a fresh install. | |
| 00:32 | rangi | even with all the sample data installed? |
| 00:32 | because they are designed to work with a db, with all the sample data | |
| 00:33 | jcamins_away | Yes. |
| 00:33 | We have tests that require that you have bibs, and tests that require that you have issues. | |
| 00:34 | (in the sense of books checked out, not problems;) | |
| 00:36 | http://paste.koha-community.org/227 | |
| 00:36 | jcamins | 00-strict is failing because we have utility scripts using odd packages. |
| 00:36 | Such as H:T:P. | |
| 00:36 | HoldsQueue seems to require an issue in the database(?). | |
| 00:36 | Haven't checked Koha yet. | |
| 00:36 | Serials requires a subscription. | |
| 00:37 | And VirtualShelves requires a bib. | |
| 00:38 | Oh, missing dependency on Koha. | |
| 00:40 | rangi | yeah holdsqueue there is a patch for |
| 00:40 | jcamins | The issue with the Koha test was A) a missing dependency and B) a bizarre timezone mismatch. |
| 00:40 | rangi | that only just crept in |
| 00:41 | i put a blocker bug in for it | |
| 00:41 | and yeah we should kill those old utility scripts | |
| 00:41 | jcamins | I think this may be another problem with HoldsQueue. |
| 00:42 | rangi | ah right |
| 00:42 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "DBD::mysql::st execute failed:" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/228 |
| 00:42 | rangi | hm yep looks like it |
| 00:42 | passing on jenkins tho, but there are some issue rows there | |
| 00:43 | the other bug is a package blocker, you cant currently package master | |
| 00:44 | jcamins | Yeah, I noticed that. |
| 00:45 | I wandered off down this path when my attempt to build a package died dramatically. | |
| 00:45 | rangi | yep |
| 00:45 | jcamins | Figured I might as well fix the problems. |
| 00:45 | rangi | i get emailed by launchpad every day, 3 times, as it fails to build for natty, oneiric, and precise |
| 00:47 | jcamins | Argh! Nooooo!!!! |
| 00:47 | nano came up instead of vim! | |
| 00:47 | rangi | heh |
| 00:49 | jcamins | Problem 1 patched. |
| 00:50 | rangi | did i show you this? |
| 00:50 | http://stats.workbuffer.org/gitbuilder/ | |
| 00:50 | jcamins | What does it do? |
| 00:50 | rangi | when jenkins fails |
| 00:50 | i can run ./start | |
| 00:51 | and it builds, bisecting and testing until it finds the commit that broke the build | |
| 00:51 | jcamins | Oooh. |
| 00:51 | Cool! | |
| 00:51 | rangi | yup, so far its just doing make test, but ill extend it |
| 00:52 | for now tho, that is pretty handy | |
| 00:56 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Test::Strict failures" (69 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/229 |
| 00:57 | rangi | yeah, i vote we move them to a deprecated dir, or just git rm them |
| 00:58 | specially the zebraqueue_daemon | |
| 00:58 | jcamins | Well, zebraqueue_daemon can just be killed. |
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| 01:52 | jcamins_away | Hm. There's already a patch for zebraqueue_daemon. |
| 01:52 | bug 8519 | |
| 01:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8519 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Make koha-index-daemon run on startup |
| 01:52 | rangi | ahh just awaiting qa |
| 02:03 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 02:03 | Need to do 3.6.x. | |
| 02:04 | At this point I don't really see much point in 3.6-testing. | |
| 02:04 | There are so few relevant patches now. | |
| 02:06 | rangi | yeah |
| 02:10 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #199 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 02:13 | jcamins | It seems to me that pbuilder should provide all the tools necessary for testing Koha installs in a chroot. |
| 02:13 | I mean, pbuilder+all my tools for testing Koha installs. | |
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| 02:24 | jcamins | Woohoo! Successfully built packages for 3.6.9 on the new test server. |
| 02:24 | rangi | sweet' |
| 02:24 | user110 | cool |
| 02:47 | sleep | |
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| 02:49 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #199: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/199/ |
| 02:49 | robin: Bug 8806 - [3.8.x] Changelog updates, dependencies | |
| 02:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8806 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Debian packaging updates |
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| 03:24 | * Oak | waves |
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| 03:50 | mib_uv3cxf | hi |
| 03:58 | eythian | bye |
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| 04:16 | * cait | waves |
| 04:31 | * wajasu | ok i got my 3.0 running against pre-3.10 master. i had about 15000 biblios, and deleted the machine genrated authority records. |
| 04:31 | wajasu | i have AutoAddAuthorities and allow... and i ran link_bibs_to_authorities. |
| 04:31 | rebuilt the zebra index between the steps. | |
| 04:32 | now i am testing the RLIN based links | |
| 04:32 | so i am hoping i can go with that instead of the subject tracings. | |
| 04:33 | i have about 50000 authority records generated now. | |
| 04:34 | clikcing on subject headings gives me 2 links at most, but will investigate if it should be more for some subjects. | |
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| 04:36 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 04:36 | cait: Are you here? | |
| 04:37 | wajasu | i do have an issue. when i search for Hans Kung, i select the incarnation of God, and pull up the MARC view in the staff client. i select tab 2, and the uniform title has a name as alink. |
| 04:37 | the link always seems to be wrong. | |
| 04:38 | the link is of the format: http://192.168.122.28:8080/cgi[…]hwerdung%20Gottes. | |
| 04:38 | which always give an error page. | |
| 04:38 | cait | not really :) |
| 04:38 | too early still | |
| 04:39 | wajasu | no pizza left? |
| 04:39 | cait | wajasu: hmm |
| 04:39 | and there is a $9 in the record? | |
| 04:40 | wajasu | i can't find one. |
| 04:40 | wait. let me edit | |
| 04:41 | yes two $9 entries in the [1] tab personal names. | |
| 04:42 | the RLIN "Auth" links work, its just the uniform titles that don't | |
| 04:43 | cait | so no rlin for the uniform title? |
| 04:44 | wajasu | none. in 240 |
| 04:47 | so far, all my uniform titles have links resulting in a an error. | |
| 04:47 | cait | @marc 240 |
| 04:47 | huginn | cait: The uniform title for an item when the bibliographic description is entered under a main entry field that contains a personal (field 100), corporate (110), or meeting (111) name. [a,d,f,g,h,k,l,m,n,o,p,r,s,6,8] |
| 04:48 | wajasu | looking in ./koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/catalogue, maybe we are missing a template inthe url from there. |
| 04:49 | where we would supply the Menschwerdung%20Gottes unitform title 240a | |
| 04:50 | cait | ? |
| 04:50 | wajasu | i wonder if the url that is generating the link is correct? |
| 04:51 | cait | sorry, I can't follow |
| 04:51 | might be the time | |
| 04:52 | wajasu | 240a has a itle that is a hyperlink continaing: http://192.168.122.28:8080/cgi[…]hwerdung%20Gottes. |
| 04:52 | mtompset | cait: You're javascript thought was right. |
| 04:52 | wajasu | whic gives an error page |
| 04:53 | if thats supposed to link to some sort of person or somethings else, is that even a typical URL that you've seen before. maybe its misformatted. | |
| 04:55 | if someone can find a book with 240a, and look to see if they have a link, and compare the format, or if its broke for them, then i might have a lead | |
| 04:58 | i'll have to take up this mystery up in about 13 hours. | |
| 04:59 | but aleast i've got working $9 links now. | |
| 05:01 | cait | wajasu: jcamins_away will know what to do :) |
| 05:01 | wajasu | yeah. |
| 05:03 | have a great day. | |
| 05:03 | cait | thx and have a good evening/night |
| 05:21 | * mtompset | sighs and grumbles, "How am I supposed to debug this problem?!" |
| 05:23 | mtompset | var clone = original.cloneNode(true); |
| 05:23 | TypeError: original is null. | |
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| 05:38 | mtompset | OH MY! Is it stale JS/CSS issues?! |
| 05:39 | * magnuse | waves |
| 05:48 | mtompset | ARG! it was. |
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| 05:55 | magnuse | mtompset: at least it wasn's something else ;-) |
| 05:59 | mtompset | I suppose, but those kinds of errors drive you crazy, because a simple reload doesn't get rid of them. |
| 06:02 | mtj | … just disable caching |
| 06:03 | else, continue to drive yourself batshit whilst testing | |
| 06:10 | Oak | such eloquence mtj |
| 06:10 | cait | Oak. |
| 06:10 | ;) | |
| 06:10 | Oak | cait :) |
| 06:10 | magnuse | |
| 06:11 | hello mtompset | |
| 06:11 | mtompset | greetings, Oak. |
| 06:11 | cait | hi mtj :) |
| 06:11 | mtompset | glad you liked the reworked lyrics. :) |
| 06:12 | Oak | :) yup |
| 06:14 | mtompset | mtj, this wasn't a test environment. This was a live enviroment. |
| 06:14 | However, there were JS changes between 3.6.3 and 3.8.5 :) | |
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| 06:31 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 06:32 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 06:32 | mtompset | salut, alex_a. :) |
| 06:32 | marcelr | hi mtompset |
| 06:33 | mtompset | Greetings, marcelr, laurence, et sophie_m. |
| 06:34 | laurence | hi mtompset |
| 06:36 | sophie_m | hi mtompset |
| 06:37 | * cait | waves |
| 06:37 | cait | hi marcelr :) |
| 06:38 | marcelr: reading your mail now - will reply from work later! | |
| 06:39 | marcelr | hi cait :) |
| 06:40 | mtj | mtompset, it makes no difference what 'enviroment' it is, did you miss my advice? |
| 06:41 | mtompset | turn off caching. |
| 06:41 | I have done so on my browser now, and have advised my colleagues to do likewise. | |
| 06:45 | cait | marcelr: ok, answered now :) and now it't time to get to work - bye all! |
| 06:48 | mtj | mtompset, woah!, i didnt mean for everyone |
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| 06:49 | mtompset | Well, I may not be around to solve problems in the future. I need something that will just work period forever. |
| 06:49 | Actually, my first recommendation was purposefully empty the cache on upgrades. | |
| 06:50 | But that requires they remember to do it. | |
| 06:50 | mtj | ok, your call... |
| 06:51 | mtompset | I know it is over-kill and their are negative ramifications (like slower page loads in general), but given relatively good connectivity... I don't think that is an issue. |
| 06:52 | mtj | mtompset -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W[…]Bypass_your_cache |
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| 06:54 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:54 | wahanui | salut, reiveune |
| 06:55 | asaurat | hi |
| 06:55 | wahanui | hi, asaurat |
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| 07:05 | tsiliha | hello |
| 07:05 | wahanui | privet, tsiliha |
| 07:06 | tsiliha | does anyone know how to upgrade koha from 3.4.0 to 3.4.8? I have debian. And the second question is about database, if there is any problem after upgrade it. |
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| 07:07 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:08 | mtompset | tsiliha: Why would you upgrade to 3.4.8? Why not 3.8.5? |
| 07:10 | mtj | go on, give a little more info... |
| 07:10 | tsiliha | because may have some problem with database |
| 07:11 | is there safe way that database that exist in koha 3.4.0 will work in 3.8.5 with export mysql and import it in new koha stable version? | |
| 07:11 | drojf | tsiliha: did you try what i proposed yesterday? |
| 07:11 | mtj | tsiliha, if you are going to upgrade, you should upgrade to the latest version of Koha |
| 07:12 | tsiliha | <drojf> not yet |
| 07:14 | mtj | tsiliha, many people have upgraded from 3.4 to 3.8 |
| 07:15 | tsiliha | the upgrade of software i think it is the easy part. What about database? |
| 07:16 | mtompset | So perhaps the best course of action for you, tsiliha, is to take a backup of your database. And try it. If you have problems while trying it, come back and ask questions. :) |
| 07:16 | tsiliha: The database will upgrade when you access it via the staff interface. | |
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| 07:44 | mtompset | Everyone had a good day (24 hours), I'll be back later. |
| 07:44 | Everyone have a good day (24 hours), I'll be back later. | |
| 07:50 | rangi | evening |
| 07:54 | mtj | heya chris |
| 07:55 | anyone seen this before on master? | |
| 07:55 | updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Unknown or incorrect time zone: 'Pacific/Auckland' at /home/mason/git/head/C4/Context.pm line 766. | |
| 07:56 | magnuse | mtj: nope |
| 07:58 | mtj | do i have a too-old version of some date module |
| 07:58 | ooh, i might know | |
| 08:00 | magnuse | mtj: DBD has decided you need to move to another timezone? |
| 08:01 | drojf | mtj: rangi and jcamins_away talked about that i think |
| 08:01 | good day #koha | |
| 08:02 | mtj: http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]2-10-11#i_1102388 | |
| 08:03 | rangi | ah naw thats a different thing |
| 08:04 | drojf | ok |
| 08:04 | rangi | that was running a test |
| 08:04 | mtj | bbiab |
| 08:05 | rangi | it's just mysql doesn't like that as a timezone |
| 08:06 | its harmless | |
| 08:06 | SET time_zone = "$tz" | |
| 08:13 | magnuse | mysql doesn't approve of bucklame? |
| 08:13 | rangi | smart of it |
| 08:13 | magnuse | hehe |
| 08:22 | drojf | thanks german railways for letting me click through all your forms, then sending me an error when i try to pay and now not have a ticket available for the price that the one in my cart had minutes ago. sure, i'd like to pay 15 euro more for a different conection that is inconveniently timed |
| 08:22 | rangi | heh |
| 08:33 | WaqarAzeem | Hello! can anyone let me know how can i debug or at least generate the Log file from my .pl scripts. |
| 08:35 | drojf | car sharing it is… in your face DB |
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| 08:53 | Viktor | Hi! Taking a chance here - is anyone familiar with the SOLR-dev online? |
| 08:53 | drojf | hej Viktor |
| 08:53 | Viktor: shout paul_p three times and see what happens | |
| 08:53 | Viktor | Sorry to just pop in with questions like this - will try to keep up a social presence also in the future :) |
| 08:53 | paul_p | hi Viktor |
| 08:54 | Viktor | :) drojf |
| 08:54 | drojf | oh look it worked with just one mention. hey paul_p ;) |
| 08:54 | paul_p | drojf i'm back with xchat. I couldn't explain thunderbird chat module that he should notify any personal yelling. |
| 08:55 | Viktor | I´m talking to the biggest library school of sweden on monday and they are interested in having their students being able to fool around with the indexing. |
| 08:55 | drojf | paul_p: weird, that is an integral part of irc as i use it |
| 08:55 | paul_p | Viktor = for Solr questions , you should ask clrh (but she's at a conference today) |
| 08:55 | drojf = yep. I'm sure it will be for next release ! | |
| 08:56 | Viktor | If I remember correctly SOLR allows more "hands on" work with indexing in a graphical interface. While Zebra is CLI only. |
| 08:56 | Thanks paul_p | |
| 08:56 | and drojf | |
| 08:56 | I'll try to get a hold of her tomorrow or during the weekend. | |
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| 08:57 | paul_p | Viktor = you're right. With koha/solr, you can define your indexes in Koha directly |
| 08:58 | Viktor | That is great! paul_p |
| 08:59 | Is it installed in the standard installations nowdays? I have a private test-install from magnuse. I think it´s installed from the Debian package. | |
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| 09:03 | Viktor | Good question drojf - I have done some Koha-stuff while not working at my regular job and had to strike a balance. |
| 09:03 | Why not have a "This is me as a part of the Koha-community" card - while also being clear with your official position at the univ? | |
| 09:03 | magnuse | hiya Viktor |
| 09:03 | rangi | drojf: seems fine to me |
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| 09:05 | magnuse | Viktor: yeah, the experimental solr stuff will be in 3.10 i think, your install is 3.8.5 |
| 09:05 | kf | hi all :) |
| 09:05 | rangi | hi kf |
| 09:05 | magnuse | Viktor: see bug 8233 |
| 09:05 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8233 major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else |
| 09:06 | magnuse | that is "pushed to master" and master = what will become 3.10 |
| 09:07 | drojf | good morning her highness, the managerin of quality assurance, kf |
| 09:08 | magnuse | Viktor: ses also http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]earch_Rewrite_RFC |
| 09:10 | kf | lol |
| 09:10 | good morning to you too :) | |
| 09:10 | drojf | Viktor and rangi: yes something about community (having the url of koha-community.org on it somehow too would have the nice effect of people not googleing the wrong website). i just would not want to rase the idea that "i make koha" or "i work for the koha company". our concept of development is quite strange to many people here. |
| 09:10 | s/rase/raise | |
| 09:10 | rangi | yep |
| 09:11 | you could get | |
| 09:11 | Bug Wrangler for version 3.12 | |
| 09:11 | Member of the Koha Community (url) | |
| 09:13 | drojf | kf: do we have an official translation for "bug wrangler"? ;) |
| 09:18 | Viktor: where is the library school you were talking about? | |
| 09:23 | * magnuse | thinks Viktor should get a better client than mibbit, if he wants to hang out ;-) |
| 09:25 | drojf | lol |
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| 09:35 | * drojf | hands Viktor the duct tape |
| 09:36 | kf | sorry afk a lot today |
| 09:36 | no I don't think we have a translation | |
| 09:37 | magnuse | Viktor: if you want to hang out you might want to consider an irc client that does not time out ;-) |
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| 09:39 | jiwaji | how to see my opac in koha 3.06 |
| 09:42 | drojf | wut? |
| 09:43 | * drojf | wanders off |
| 09:43 | magnuse | that was quick :-) |
| 09:44 | drojf | to the drojf mobile! |
| 09:44 | (aka berlin underground) | |
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| 10:18 | WaqarAzeem | Is there any way to print the variable values somewhere direcly from .pl files (currently what i am doing is making a string 'my strdebug' and passing it to the template). Any better alternative to put the variable values in a file or on the browser (error like 500). |
| 10:18 | for debugging | |
| 10:40 | kf_afk | coworkers++ |
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| 10:56 | kf_afk | wb drojf :) |
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| 11:44 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha. |
| 11:46 | Viktor: one point about Solr: it supports only bibs. | |
| 11:46 | kf_afk | jcamins: only bibs? no items or no authorities? |
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| 11:47 | jcamins | kf_afk: well, items are part of bibs, indexing-wise. |
| 11:47 | No authorities. | |
| 11:47 | wahanui | i think no authorities is added |
| 11:48 | kf_afk | ah |
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| 11:56 | drojf | meh |
| 11:57 | jcamins | drojf: that good? |
| 11:58 | drojf | jcamins: using a windows computer is always fun. had a fight with the encryption plugin |
| 11:58 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 11:59 | kf | but you won :) |
| 12:01 | magnuse | jcamins: anyone got any plans for indexing authorities with solr? |
| 12:02 | jcamins | magnuse: as it happens, someone does. There's this search rewrite getting started that will add that. ;) |
| 12:02 | magnuse | ooh, cool :-) |
| 12:03 | kf | hm this search rewrite? |
| 12:04 | search rewrite? | |
| 12:04 | wahanui | i think search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]earch_Rewrite_RFC |
| 12:04 | jcamins | That's the one! |
| 12:06 | 1(h) | |
| 12:08 | kf | hm |
| 12:08 | the numbering is confusing me | |
| 12:08 | jcamins | Yes, the wiki insists on adding its own. |
| 12:08 | * jcamins | didn't know it would do that. |
| 12:08 | kf | there is no h? |
| 12:08 | only g? | |
| 12:09 | oh | |
| 12:09 | jcamins | I just noticed that I had it misnumbered and corrected it. |
| 12:09 | kf | after the roman numbers |
| 12:11 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 12:11 | Woohoo! | |
| 12:11 | My apt repo is working! | |
| 12:11 | kf | yay :) |
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| 12:15 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
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| 12:20 | mtompset | Greetings, oleonard. |
| 12:20 | oleonard | Hi |
| 12:20 | mtompset | Have you topic changing powers? |
| 12:21 | oleonard | Yes |
| 12:21 | mtompset | The meeting is past, we know the new date and time. :) |
| 12:22 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org The next general meeting is 7 November 2012 2:00 UTC | |
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| 12:23 | oleonard | wiki says you're flying to Canada mtompset--your job in Philippines done? |
| 12:23 | mtompset | My term in the Philippines is complete. |
| 12:24 | However, that doesn't mean I won't be working still on Koha. | |
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| 12:24 | mtompset | It just is dependent on raising enough financial partners. |
| 12:24 | Though, Koha is not the only project I work on. | |
| 12:25 | * magnuse | gets curious |
| 12:29 | hopes mtompset will return to koha quickly then :-) | |
| 12:30 | mtompset | What country are you in magnuse? ;) |
| 12:30 | magnuse | mtompset: norway |
| 12:36 | mtompset | magnuse: I have friends in Norway who are also Wycliffe members. :) |
| 12:36 | magnuse | cool |
| 12:38 | mtompset | I met them while studying at CanIL. |
| 12:38 | www.canil.ca | |
| 12:42 | Going to miss Christmas in the Philippines with my only surviving parent (mother-in-law). :( | |
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| 12:42 | mtompset | All hail the Translation Manager. ;) |
| 12:42 | magnuse | o/ |
| 12:43 | druthb | :P |
| 12:43 | Bah. | |
| 12:46 | mtompset | Oooo... bug 1918 if it gets live may address the browser cache headache I hit yesterday. |
| 12:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1918 enhancement, P3, ---, dpavlin, In Discussion , Minify JavaScript and CSS |
| 12:47 | kf | hi ms translation manager :) |
| 12:47 | oleonard | Why mtompset? |
| 12:48 | mtompset | Wouldn't that help solve stale javascript/css? |
| 12:50 | oleonard | I don't see how it would mtompset. It's about minifying the file sent to your browser, but your browser would still cache it |
| 12:52 | What is an OAI set? | |
| 12:53 | mtompset | Open Archives Initiative? Maybe this will help? https://wiki.duraspace.org/dis[…]ts+Generalisation |
| 12:53 | (I'm guessing. I don't know) | |
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| 13:06 | kf | oleonard: hm kind of a part of your collection |
| 13:06 | oleonard: you can harvest records with oai - you can harvest all of them or you can define sets | |
| 13:07 | like let people harvest all thesis records for a central server | |
| 13:07 | oleonard | So it's a way to share Koha data with external applications? |
| 13:07 | kf | oai can not really search, but it can work with those sets or the creation/change dates of records |
| 13:07 | yes | |
| 13:07 | I asked magnuse to explain it to me a bit ago :) | |
| 13:07 | because people at the workshop had asked bout it | |
| 13:08 | oleonard: why are you asking? | |
| 13:08 | magnuse | oleonard: OAI-PMH is "a way to share Koha data with external applications" |
| 13:09 | kf | the interface for deifning sets could use some of your magic :) |
| 13:09 | oleonard | Just what I'm doing kf |
| 13:09 | kf | nice!! |
| 13:09 | oleonard | That's why I'm wondering about it |
| 13:09 | kf | oleonard++ |
| 13:09 | magnuse | OAI sets lets you define subsets of your data to share |
| 13:10 | so as kf said, one set could be the records for all the theses in your catalogue | |
| 13:10 | oleonard | I wonder if the description field is hidden by default in the interface because one should not submit an empty value or if that's just for sparkle. |
| 13:10 | magnuse | or all the dvds or all the printed books or... |
| 13:10 | drojf | and again one of the many questionmarks about koha stuff (from the bottom of my list) solved |
| 13:10 | #koha++ | |
| 13:11 | druthb | @karma |
| 13:11 | huginn | druthb: Highest karma: "rangi" (672), "oleonard" (566), and "jcamins" (424). Lowest karma: "<!" (-111), "failed" (-94), and "-" (-66). You (druthb) are ranked 14 out of 2258. |
| 13:11 | druthb | @most increased |
| 13:11 | huginn | druthb: "rangi": 677, "oleonard": 571, "jcamins": 426, "wizzyrea": 352, "cait": 325, "gmcharlt": 324, "chris_n": 309, "paul_p": 258, "sekjal": 245, "nengard": 228, "kf": 214, "magnuse": 182, "slef": 163, "druthb": 148, "eythian": 139, "fredericd": 89, "hdl": 69, "biblibre": 65, "marcelr": 64, "hdl_laptop": 60, "mveron": 54, "mtj": 54, "jwagner": 54, "thd": 47, and "kmkale": 46 |
| 13:14 | oleonard | magnuse: Are the "setSpec" and "setName" values arbitrary? Identifiers you give to the external application? |
| 13:14 | magnuse | um, let me check |
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| 13:15 | magnuse | oleonard: the official definitions are here: http://www.openarchives.org/OA[…]protocol.html#Set |
| 13:15 | setname is just a name, at least | |
| 13:16 | yeah, looks like setSpec is pretty arbitrary too | |
| 13:17 | it's just an id | |
| 13:18 | oleonard | Do you know if the description field is internal to Koha or used by OAI? I'm wondering why one can add multiple descriptions |
| 13:20 | magnuse | "a setDescription -- an optional and repeatable container" |
| 13:20 | the standard says it should be repeatble | |
| 13:20 | and it's used by oai | |
| 13:20 | oleonard | Thanks magnuse, my page-scanning isn't working well this morning |
| 13:21 | magnuse | np oleonard |
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| 13:42 | jcamins | paul_p: have you figured out how to include referrer information in your Plack logs? |
| 13:42 | paul_p | good morning Release Manager ;-) |
| 13:42 | jcamins to answer your question = nope | |
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| 13:46 | * magnuse | wishes the functionality in reports/guided_reports.pl was nicely encapsulated in subroutines ;-) |
| 13:47 | oleonard | If wishes were horses guided reports would be the American west in the 1800s. |
| 13:48 | magnuse | huh? :-) |
| 13:48 | oleonard | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I[…]eggars_would_ride |
| 13:50 | magnuse | ah |
| 13:50 | well, maybe tomorrow, now it's time to try and catch some sun before it (oai) sets | |
| 13:57 | kf | lol |
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| 14:01 | drojf | you can harvest sun with OAI? |
| 14:02 | jcamins | drojf: OAI comes from "phOtovoltAIc." |
| 14:03 | trea | heh |
| 14:05 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 14:05 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #184: "slef: IF YOU STARE TOO DEEPLY INTO MARC21, MARC21 STARES BACK INTO YOU!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:58 PM, January 30, 2012) |
| 14:05 | gmcharlt | gaahh! |
| 14:06 | jcamins | Oh my god- it's full of stars! |
| 14:06 | * wizzyrea | laughs |
| 14:07 | * jcamins | knew someone would appreciate the joke. |
| 14:07 | jcamins | Bad as it was. |
| 14:07 | wizzyrea | also good <time of day> |
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| 14:20 | mtompset | Actually, that reminds me of a cover photo of a friend recently. Something about a being that stared back in hopes of finding the origin of the universe and it triggered the creation of the multiverses. |
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| 15:14 | mtompset | Greetings, wizzyrea. |
| 15:15 | Greetings, trea edveal rambutan and NateC too. :) | |
| 15:15 | NateC | Hiya! :D |
| 15:15 | wizzyrea | phew. updates took forever :) |
| 15:15 | edveal | Hello |
| 15:15 | wahanui | hello, edveal |
| 15:17 | trea | hey mtompset |
| 15:17 | wahanui | i guess mtompset is disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs. |
| 15:18 | mtompset | Why does 'hey <name>' trigger the same thing as '<name>?' ? |
| 15:19 | updates, wizzyrea? What updates? | |
| 15:19 | druthb | wahanui: edveal? |
| 15:19 | wahanui | i heard edveal was good friends with Ruth (DRuth) and have been for years. |
| 15:19 | druthb | :) |
| 15:19 | wizzyrea | computer updates |
| 15:19 | edveal | :) |
| 15:21 | mtompset | Ah... not windows updates, I hope. Those are painful. :) |
| 15:22 | druthb | wahanui: druthb? |
| 15:22 | wahanui | you are http://about.me/druthb |
| 15:23 | druthb | I really need a new picture. hm. |
| 15:25 | wizzyrea | naw |
| 15:29 | druthb | yeah...with the new do! :D |
| 15:29 | wizzyrea | ohh good pt |
| 15:35 | rambutan | mtompset: morning |
| 15:35 | mtompset | Depends on where you are, but yes it is somewhere, rambutan. :) |
| 15:35 | wizzyrea | rambutan is in my timezone - it's morning. |
| 15:35 | :) | |
| 15:36 | rambutan | there you go. morning has a majority, must be right |
| 15:36 | wizzyrea | (i mean - it's morning here) |
| 15:36 | never min.d | |
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| 15:39 | libsysguy1 | wizzyrea can you kick libsysguy |
| 15:39 | my power cut out | |
| 15:39 | jcamins | Your power cut out? |
| 15:39 | libsysguy1 | yeah the power went out and reset everything |
| 15:39 | libsysguy was kicked by wizzyrea: libsysguy | |
| 15:39 | libsysguy1 | so when it came back |
| 15:39 | wizzyrea | u got it :) |
| 15:40 | libsysguy1 | I was now libsysguy1 |
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| 15:40 | wizzyrea | man I don't get to do that very often :D |
| 15:40 | jcamins | Your power went out at 9:40am on a Thursday? |
| 15:40 | libsysguy1 | yeah…welcome to texas |
| 15:40 | the grids get stressed down here | |
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| 15:42 | jcamins | libsysguy: did you know you can just change your nick? |
| 15:42 | libsysguy | it wouldn't let it |
| 15:42 | me* | |
| 15:43 | it said it was already in use | |
| 15:43 | wizzyrea | oh, well I kicked you but you were still connected to the server I bet |
| 15:43 | rambutan | squirrel chewed a our power lines out yesterday. We had four big bucket-lift power trucks out here--power was out for 3 hours |
| 15:43 | wizzyrea | I can't kick you from the server entirely |
| 15:44 | liw | using the NickServ service on OFTC allows you to register a nick and identify yourself to NickServ and then ask NickServ kick out your nick if you get disconnected and reconnect with a diffent nick |
| 15:44 | jcamins | rambutan: a squirrel? How did it survive long enough to chew through? |
| 15:44 | libsysguy | liw I was trying to identify |
| 15:44 | jcamins | That reminds me. I need to identify this server to Nickserv. |
| 15:44 | libsysguy | but i couldn't remember the command |
| 15:44 | :p | |
| 15:44 | liw | libsysguy, /msg NickServ help :) |
| 15:44 | libsysguy | heh |
| 15:47 | rambutan | jcamins: usually they get french fried immediately (it's happened a couple of times), but this time apparently they weren't touching a ground wire, so we didn't see any corpses. |
| 15:48 | jcamins | Huh. |
| 15:48 | libsysguy | jcamins he's talking about cooking squirrels |
| 15:48 | via power lines | |
| 15:48 | and the power going out | |
| 15:48 | jcamins | libsysguy: I know. |
| 15:49 | wizzyrea | i am trying so hard to not make a joke about missouri people eating squirrel. |
| 15:49 | libsysguy | oh |
| 15:49 | jcamins | libsysguy: I would've thought that the squirrel would hit the ground wire at some point. |
| 15:49 | wizzyrea | because I was born in missouri |
| 15:49 | but it would be SO FUNNY. | |
| 15:49 | oleonard | wizzyrea: Did you know all the jokes Kansans say about Missouri Ohioans tell about West Virginia? |
| 15:50 | wizzyrea | I didn't! |
| 15:50 | but that is awesome. | |
| 15:50 | oleonard | I think Missouri is ahead though, having both Kansas City (MO) and St. Louis. |
| 15:50 | Sorry WV. | |
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| 16:03 | libsysguy | for all the dub drake fans http://soundcloud.com/nerouk/forever-nero-remix |
| 16:05 | gaetan_B | bye |
| 16:33 | rambutan | I saw the Txtr Beagls in the news recently. Bare bones, but they might be great for checking out ereaders to patrons--comparable in many ways to Playaways |
| 16:38 | maybe cait has some pre-production samples of the Txtr Beagle? | |
| 16:40 | @later tell cait maybe cait has some pre-production samples of the Txtr Beagle? | |
| 16:40 | huginn | rambutan: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:42 | kf | rambutan: why me? |
| 16:42 | * kf | is cait |
| 16:42 | kf | I am not working for bywater if that is about the message earlier :) |
| 16:43 | rambutan | German company? txtr, Rosenthaler Strasse 13, Berlin 10119, Germany |
| 16:43 | kf | aah |
| 16:43 | maybe ask droifj then - he is in the same city at least :) | |
| 16:44 | rambutan | ok, I'll ping him later |
| 16:44 | oleonard | I thought everyone in Germany with a computer got pre-production models of computer-related gadgets? |
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| 16:44 | mtompset | Well, I think that's my signal to go to bed. |
| 16:44 | rambutan | especially those working in library-associated organizatioins? |
| 16:44 | oleonard | Yeah, those people usually get two |
| 16:45 | mtompset | Have a good day (24 hour period), everyone. |
| 16:45 | rambutan | When I go to trade shows I get all kinds and colors of pencils and sometimes pens. |
| 16:47 | kf | rambutan: it's unlikely he knows something rally |
| 16:47 | like oleonard said, we don't get any gadgets :( | |
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| 17:01 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 17:01 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #54: "<@gmcharlt> from my POV, bug wrangling expands to fill all available volunteers" (added by jwagner at 08:05 PM, February 09, 2010) |
| 17:15 | kf | bye all :) |
| 17:16 | druthb | @quote random |
| 17:16 | huginn | druthb: Quote #177: "oleonard: If Buck Rogers used IRC he'd put bip on Twiki and tell Twiki to never sleep." (added by wizzyrea at 04:43 PM, January 10, 2012) |
| 17:23 | libsysguy | whoa oleonard have you noticed the jqueryui page |
| 17:23 | oleonard | Yup |
| 17:23 | libsysguy | it has a very flat feel now |
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| 17:25 | drojf | ev'nin' |
| 17:26 | libsysguy | so it is |
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| 17:46 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 17:46 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #136: "<sekjal> MARC. Must. Die!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:18 PM, May 26, 2011) |
| 17:48 | drojf | that poor marc guy |
| 17:48 | hated by everyone | |
| 17:50 | @quote random | |
| 17:50 | huginn | drojf: Quote #4: "< kf> I often get asked: You have to study to be a librarian? perhaps MARC was invented to answer it ;)" (added by chris at 12:50 PM, June 12, 2009) |
| 17:52 | drojf | what happened to the mailing list? i did not get anything in > 9 hours. koha problems solved world wide? |
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| 18:02 | cait | hi #koha |
| 18:02 | druthb | hi, cait. :) |
| 18:02 | cait | hi druthb :) |
| 18:09 | drojf | hey cait |
| 18:10 | cait | hi drojf :) |
| 18:11 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 18:11 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Berlin, Germany is 8.8°C (8:00 PM CEST on October 11, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:13 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 18:13 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 12.6°C (8:10 PM CEST on October 11, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
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| 18:21 | druthb | @wunder 66046 |
| 18:22 | huginn | druthb: The current temperature in Near Lawrence High School, Lawrence, Kansas is 21.6°C (1:19 PM CDT on October 11, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:22 | drojf | slef: i think you had vectorized koha logos ready? if that's correct, are they available somewhere? |
| 18:29 | cait: do you use a translated version of the koha logo catch phrase? | |
| 18:31 | @later tell slef i think you had vectorized koha logos ready? if that's correct, are they available somewhere? | |
| 18:31 | huginn | drojf: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:35 | oleonard | drojf: /misc/interface_customization |
| 18:37 | drojf | ah cool, thanks oleonard. looking in the source was too obvious :) |
| 18:39 | oleonard | I suppose we could do something like koha-log-[% lang %].png ? |
| 18:40 | jcamins_away | The Koha logo has a catchphrase? |
| 18:40 | cait | drojf: our first flyer had one |
| 18:40 | drojf | jcamins_away: free software library system. open source library system … |
| 18:40 | cait | have to be careful to not make it too long |
| 18:40 | freies bibliothekssystem or Open-Source-Bibliotheksmanagementsystem ? | |
| 18:40 | drojf | cait: i was thinking "Freies Bibliothekssystem" |
| 18:41 | mine will be free, not open source ;) | |
| 18:42 | jcamins_away | drojf: oh, I never noticed that. |
| 18:42 | cait | drojf: thought so :) was trying to rmember what I created back then |
| 18:43 | drojf | oleonard: i was thinking about propaganda material ;) but it would be cool to have it change in the software too actually |
| 18:44 | cait: "Open-Source-Bibliotheksmanagementsystem" is horrible ;) | |
| 18:44 | cait | did it on purpose :) |
| 18:44 | yes, it's horrible | |
| 18:44 | and it will never fit down there in a readable size | |
| 18:45 | drojf | depends on how big the rest is. if you would print it on a hot-air balloon… |
| 18:45 | cait | heh |
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| 18:46 | drojf | "quelloffenes bibliotheksverwaltungssystem mit freier lizenz" |
| 18:46 | cait | hehe |
| 18:50 | drojf | magnuse even has "the free library system" in norwegian. "Das freie Bibliothekssystem". hm |
| 18:55 | mveron and mbalmer have "open source bibliothekssystem" | |
| 18:55 | cait | hm |
| 18:55 | it should be open-source-bibliothekssystem according to duden | |
| 18:55 | if you mix german and english you have to put in - | |
| 18:55 | drojf | maybe not in swiss german :D |
| 18:55 | cait | yep |
| 18:55 | :) | |
| 18:56 | drojf | oh its open-source bibliothekssystem really |
| 19:04 | jcamins | cait: your GND data has shaken out a bug in some of the authority code. Well done. |
| 19:05 | cait | excellent! |
| 19:05 | jcamins | cait: also, your GND data is absurd. |
| 19:05 | cait | you told me so before |
| 19:05 | but it shkes out bugs :P | |
| 19:05 | jcamins | It does. |
| 19:05 | drojf | GND as worst case scenario? |
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| 19:06 | cait | I didn't say that. |
| 19:06 | jcamins | drojf: nearly. |
| 19:06 | cait | it's has lots of interesting information |
| 19:06 | jcamins | It does. |
| 19:06 | cait | the problem is the data structure is a bit germany specific |
| 19:06 | jcamins | It has great information. |
| 19:06 | drojf | germans wouldn't do anything crazy… |
| 19:07 | jcamins | It's just entered in a way as to be utterly useless to anyone who isn't at the DNB. |
| 19:07 | drojf | lol |
| 19:07 | that sounds very german | |
| 19:11 | jcamins | drojf: you'd think if they were going to do something crazy that made their authorities incompatible with everyone else that they'd at least use a format that wasn't MARC, wouldn't you? |
| 19:12 | drojf | they don't want to do something completely different, they only want you to follow the way they do it :P |
| 19:22 | oleonard | Fans of OAI can now test Bug 8906 |
| 19:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Improve OAI management interface |
| 19:25 | jcamins | How do I run the installer in French? |
| 19:26 | drojf | jcamins: install french language before running the installer? |
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| 19:26 | jcamins | drojf: that's what I'm trying. |
| 19:27 | Just wanted confirmation that there wasn't a special step required. | |
| 19:27 | cait | nope |
| 19:27 | that's all | |
| 19:27 | drojf | not that i know. i don't think it would be different from installing in any other non-english language |
| 19:27 | cait | oleonard++ :) |
| 19:29 | jcamins | Bother. |
| 19:29 | I'm caught in a loop. | |
| 19:30 | Hooray! | |
| 19:30 | I escaped! | |
| 19:30 | cait | heh |
| 19:30 | jcamins | I had to restart Plack, though, which seems less than optimal. |
| 19:33 | There are no sample branches for French UNIMARC? | |
| 19:33 | cait | don't know |
| 19:34 | jcamins | It would seem not. |
| 19:34 | drojf | i thought i had seen data for that somewhere |
| 19:35 | maybe on the wiki or bugzilla? | |
| 19:35 | jcamins | drojf: now that I think about it, I recall a conversation about a test always failing because French UNIMARC didn't have sample branches. |
| 19:37 | I need some UNIMARC data. | |
| 19:37 | drojf | ah, i was probably thinking about the sandbox data |
| 19:37 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 19:37 | I don't like the sandbox UNIMARC data. | |
| 19:38 | drojf | i was thinking of branch data actually, but it seems there is everything in one sql file |
| 19:39 | jcamins | Maybe I can persuade Joubu to share the data he uses for testing. |
| 19:39 | drojf | maybe one day someone gets really bored and makes sample data for the installer from that |
| 19:39 | jcamins | Or just copies the sample branches from English UNIMARC. :P |
| 19:39 | *MARC21 | |
| 19:39 | Reindexing 213k authorities. | |
| 19:39 | oleonard | toss in a few accents jcamins and no one will be the wiser |
| 19:40 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 19:41 | drojf | lol |
| 19:41 | cait | name them after french food ? :) |
| 19:43 | drojf | les freedom fries |
| 19:44 | wizzyrea | oleonard: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r[…]n-levitate-a.html |
| 19:44 | cait | baguette has a good dvd collection I heard |
| 19:44 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 19:46 | oleonard | That is a tiny tiny companion cube wizzyrea |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | :D |
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| 19:46 | wizzyrea | but it's SO CUTE |
| 19:47 | jcamins | I guess I should make Zebra and Plack start automatically. |
| 19:48 | oleonard | Cute? You're talking to the guy who disposed of his weighted companion cube in record time. |
| 19:48 | wizzyrea | hehehehehehehe |
| 19:48 | oleonard | 8) |
| 19:52 | cait | ok, I see the cube |
| 19:52 | but what exactly is it? | |
| 19:52 | wizzyrea | it's from a game - Portal |
| 19:52 | cait | oh |
| 19:52 | wizzyrea | i know oleonard played it |
| 19:54 | jcamins | Okay... this is annoying. |
| 19:55 | My Plack startup script is incompatible with init. | |
| 20:07 | Yay! | |
| 20:07 | I have working init scripts. | |
| 20:08 | cait | yay :) |
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| 20:14 | oleonard | See y'all later |
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| 20:23 | drojf | my_internet-- |
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| 20:41 | drojf | spontaneously update openwrt on my rooter to a beta version at night? sounds reasonable |
| 20:42 | jcamins | lol |
| 20:42 | Absolutely. | |
| 20:42 | drojf | " * Vastly improved ath9k driver stability and performance" sounds what i need |
| 20:42 | jcamins | *click* |
| 20:42 | drojf | sounds like |
| 20:42 | jcamins | drojf's connection drops. |
| 20:42 | drojf | :) |
| 20:43 | i remember i waited longish before the last update and it was ridiculously easy and fast in hindsight | |
| 20:44 | * jcamins | will bid you goodnight before you start the update. |
| 20:46 | drojf | "If your attempt to install OpenWrt fails, generic.debrick could help you. " now we're talking… |
| 20:50 | well, why not. goodbye #koha ;) | |
| 20:50 | see you soonish. or, one day | |
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| 20:55 | drojf | could have turned out worse |
| 20:55 | jcamins | That was it? |
| 20:55 | Wow. | |
| 20:55 | Color me impressed. | |
| 20:55 | drojf | and for all our kids at the screens: don#t do this at home |
| 20:56 | yes i felt the same last time :) | |
| 20:57 | cait | hm? |
| 20:58 | drojf | cait: ? |
| 20:59 | jcamins | cait: that drojf just flashed his router that quickly. |
| 21:00 | drojf | i even spent half the time finding the checksum to compare |
| 21:00 | cait | ah right |
| 21:13 | drojf | looking good so far |
| 21:13 | openwrt++ | |
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| 21:39 | wizzyrea | hmm |
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| 21:48 | rambutan | @mark 001 |
| 21:48 | huginn | rambutan: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 21:48 | rambutan | wahanui marc 001 |
| 21:48 | wahanui | rambutan: excuse me? |
| 21:48 | jcamins | @marc 001 |
| 21:48 | huginn | jcamins: The control number assigned by the organization creating, using, or distributing the record. The MARC code for the organization is contained in field 003 (Control Number Identifier). [] |
| 21:48 | rambutan | tnx |
| 21:49 | well, heck I misspelled "marc" the first time | |
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| 21:54 | rambutan | my outsider observation on lib school is that you have to have an MLS just to be called a librarian. In business terms, that's a barrier to entry |
| 21:55 | on the other hand, you need an MLS to understand marc | |
| 21:55 | jcamins | Actually, they don't teach you enough about MARC to know what to do with a record if you just take the normal courses, I think. |
| 21:59 | rambutan | I suspect someday catalogers will be able to just dump all the record data into a plaintext file w/in the db and google will have an intelligent indexer/retrieval algorithm (called camel) to pull the item |
| 21:59 | jcamins | lol |
| 21:59 | That'll be the day. | |
| 22:04 | Huh. | |
| 22:04 | Yup. | |
| 22:04 | Definitely a bug. | |
| 22:04 | Who is that, and can we get him/her to submit a patch? | |
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| 22:05 | gml | hi everyone |
| 22:05 | jcamins | Hello. |
| 22:06 | gml | is there a system preference for avoiding a patron does not checkout two items from the same biblio? |
| 22:06 | jcamins | No. |
| 22:07 | gml | it's a wrong behavior in koha, I think |
| 22:08 | jcamins | No, I don't think so. |
| 22:09 | I suppose I can see a use for it, but if a book is very popular I'd expect there to be holds on it, and, if there aren't, I wouldn't see any reason why someone couldn't check out two copies of a book so that they could read it without their son/daughter stealing it. | |
| 22:12 | gml | thanks for the help |
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| 22:18 | wajasu | jcamins: i was pulling up a biblio (ISBN 0567093522) which has 240a (uniform title) showing as a link ,and the URL is: http://192.168.122.28:8080/cgi[…]hwerdung%20Gottes. which results in an error page. does that link look correct? |
| 22:19 | jcamins | Not even slightly. |
| 22:19 | eythian | hi |
| 22:19 | jcamins | XSLT mode? |
| 22:20 | wajasu | no XSLT |
| 22:20 | just statdard master dev install. | |
| 22:20 | jcamins | Okay, bug in regular mode, then. |
| 22:20 | wajasu | it like that for all biblios i find with a uniform title. |
| 22:20 | if you have a running master, maybe you can confirm it. or maybe i should just look at the code. | |
| 22:21 | jcamins | Lemme see if I have anything with a uniform title readily available. |
| 22:21 | Detail page, yes? | |
| 22:21 | wajasu | MARCDetail.pl |
| 22:22 | jcamins | *MARCDetail*? |
| 22:22 | wajasu | with ?biblionumber=### |
| 22:22 | http://192.168.122.28:8080/cgi[…]?biblionumber=484 | |
| 22:22 | http://192.168.122.28:8080/cgi[…]hwerdung%20Gottes. for the link | |
| 22:23 | jcamins | Odd. |
| 22:23 | wajasu | is it a rewrite thing? |
| 22:23 | jcamins | I don't even understand how that could happen. |
| 22:24 | Okay, yes I do. | |
| 22:24 | Bug. | |
| 22:24 | 240 is not a URL. | |
| 22:24 | Never has been, never will be. | |
| 22:24 | The default frameworks are wrong. | |
| 22:25 | wajasu | can you write up the bug, since you can explain it better? "i.e, e.g, aka. the default framework... :) |
| 22:25 | drojf | i say MARC did it |
| 22:25 | jcamins | drojf: I agree. |
| 22:25 | wajasu: sure. | |
| 22:25 | wajasu | its on master |
| 22:25 | * drojf | wanders off to bed |
| 22:26 | jcamins | wajasu: yeah, I confirmed it. Otherwise I wouldn't know what the heck was going on. |
| 22:28 | wajasu | ok. another bit. i did the 3.0 to pre 3.10 master upgrade, and wiped my authrecs, and rebuild, link_bibs_to_auths, rebuild, so now my RLIN auth links are working for subject headings. |
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| 22:30 | jcamins | Excellent! |
| 22:31 | wajasu | so i think i should stay with that instead of the alternate search. , and have my libraruian maintin authority subject headings from now on. |
| 22:32 | jcamins | Alternate search? |
| 22:32 | wajasu | the tracings syspref is what i was refering to. |
| 22:32 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 22:32 | Yeah. | |
| 22:32 | If you can do it, that's best. | |
| 22:33 | wajasu | the tracing returns a lot more results though. the non-tracing is only giving me up to 2 results. |
| 22:33 | jcamins | That's because it's keyword searches. |
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| 22:33 | jcamins | Librarians in space! |
| 22:34 | Bug 8909 | |
| 22:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8909 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , MARC21 240$a (Uniform title) is not a URL |
| 22:34 | wajasu | thx |
| 22:34 | i hate seeing error pages. | |
| 22:35 | jcamins | Could be worse. |
| 22:35 | You could be running Plack. | |
| 22:35 | Space_Librarian | Yes! |
| 22:35 | jcamins | No error pages under Plack. |
| 22:35 | Just errors. | |
| 22:36 | Space_Librarian | Hello #koha |
| 22:36 | @wunder Wellington, NZ | |
| 22:36 | huginn | Space_Librarian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on October 12, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 22:36 | jcamins | You know what is required? |
| 22:36 | Pizza. | |
| 22:36 | Space_Librarian | mmmm pizza |
| 22:36 | jcamins | With kale! |
| 22:36 | :D | |
| 22:36 | Space_Librarian | really? |
| 22:36 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 22:36 | Space_Librarian | I guess that may work. |
| 22:37 | jcamins | Forget tomato sauce. |
| 22:37 | Space_Librarian | :s que? |
| 22:37 | jcamins | Kale is the way to go! |
| 22:37 | Space_Librarian | Kale and...? |
| 22:37 | jcamins | Mozzarella, garlic, and sundried tomatoes if we have any. |
| 22:37 | wajasu | kale and collard greens |
| 22:37 | jcamins | Ooooooooooooooooooohh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:37 | Artichokes! | |
| 22:38 | Oh, yes please! Artichoke-kale pizza. | |
| 22:39 | wajasu | Okra? |
| 22:40 | * jcamins | senses a distinct lack of enthusiasm from the direction of Wellington, NZ. |
| 22:40 | jcamins | Nah. I don't like okra. |
| 22:41 | Space_Librarian | I'm just in stunned amazement |
| 22:41 | I actually think an artichoke-kale pizza would work really well. | |
| 22:42 | * Space_Librarian | is surprised at this considered revelation |
| 22:42 | wajasu | brand it Artikale (with an accent over the e). |
| 22:42 | Space_Librarian | I like it. |
| 22:43 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 22:44 | And this is just another day of Jared cooking for the Camins household. | |
| 22:44 | Space_Librarian | I have missed hearing about your culinary creations. |
| 22:44 | jcamins | I have this _thing_ about making the same thing twice. |
| 22:44 | Space_Librarian | fair enough. |
| 22:45 | milts_nz | Hey, does anyone here use Mendeley or Zotero? |
| 22:45 | I've got a question about Koha RIS exports... | |
| 22:46 | jcamins | milts_nz: uh-oh. |
| 22:46 | Space_Librarian | You guys should see what milts_nz can do with Mendeley though. |
| 22:46 | milts_nz | yep. |
| 22:46 | jcamins | milts_nz: I'm familiar with Koha's RIS export. |
| 22:46 | It's... | |
| 22:46 | * jcamins | shudders |
| 22:46 | jcamins | What's your question? :) |
| 22:46 | milts_nz | jcamins: haha. |
| 22:46 | Space_Librarian | lol |
| 22:47 | milts_nz | well... we create a 'current awareness' blog about recently added Koha items, so I figured why not create a custom CSL style with HTML in it |
| 22:47 | that way you can export koha -> mendeley -> custom HTML format | |
| 22:47 | jcamins | But you use analytics, don't you? |
| 22:47 | milts_nz | and it works awesome for the books, but we index articles too - and they come across as item type "book" |
| 22:48 | jcamins: not at this point. We plan to get around to it. | |
| 22:48 | jcamins | Records for articles = analytics. |
| 22:49 | milts_nz | ah |
| 22:49 | sigh | |
| 22:49 | Space_Librarian | we haven't had the serials set up in koha. yet. |
| 22:49 | is this with the 760's? Because nobody's really been able to explain it to us, jcamins | |
| 22:50 | jcamins | 76x-78x are linking. 773 is the principle field for analytics (i.e. bibliographic items contained in another bibliographic item). |
| 22:51 | Sadly our support for exporting that data as anything other than MARC is... | |
| 22:51 | rather poor. | |
| 22:52 | milts_nz | I see |
| 22:52 | jcamins | It's not supported in RIS at all, at the moment. |
| 22:52 | milts_nz | currently all our data on volume, issue serial etc is in the 250 and 490 field |
| 22:53 | rambutan | >whatis RIS |
| 22:53 | Space_Librarian | Which I'm looking at getting mapped to the 700's |
| 22:53 | rambutan | RIS is a standardized tag format developed by Research Information Systems???? |
| 22:53 | Records Import Service? | |
| 22:53 | jcamins | The COinS provides limited support, which wouldn't help much for Mendeley. |
| 22:53 | And not at all if your records are coded as monographs. | |
| 22:53 | rambutan: the first. | |
| 22:53 | rambutan | enx |
| 22:53 | jcamins | Rather nightmarish format, really. |
| 22:53 | rambutan | tnx |
| 22:54 | milts_nz | ok |
| 22:54 | jcamins | milts_nz: do you set LDR appropriately? |
| 22:54 | milts_nz | it seems to be quite happy with book exports but articles really don't work neatly |
| 22:54 | rambutan | and on that note, #init 0 |
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| 22:54 | jcamins | Yeah, I'm not surprised. |
| 22:54 | milts_nz | to be fair, it is a library catalogue not an academic database... |
| 22:55 | I'm not convinced our leaders are set correctly. We've asked catalyst here in wellington and they suggested an alteration but we're unconvinced | |
| 22:55 | jcamins | As far as I know, you're the second person to ever worry about exporting the data to citation managers. |
| 22:55 | (data for articles) | |
| 22:55 | * jcamins | was the first. |
| 22:55 | milts_nz | lol |
| 22:55 | you are no longer alone... | |
| 22:55 | jcamins | To the best of my knowledge. |
| 22:56 | You're going to have a rough time of it with the data in 250 and 490 no matter what. | |
| 22:56 | milts_nz | actually, my other workplace uses it a fair amount - there's a health database in the UK (King's Fund) which we often export files from to endnote |
| 22:56 | jcamins | milts_nz: with Koha?!? |
| 22:56 | milts_nz | yeah I figured. I think that's partly why ms space librarian is looking to ship the data into the 700s |
| 22:56 | yes, king's fund runs on Koha | |
| 22:56 | they're... special. | |
| 22:57 | jcamins | And you haven't torn all your hair out trying to get the article citations into Endnote? |
| 22:57 | (I love Koha very much, but it does not do article citation export very well) | |
| 22:58 | milts_nz | yeah. It's actually not too bad - most of the core fields come across - but they do all require manual QC |
| 22:58 | and I suspect they have better data than us. So thanks, looks like we need to forget about article export at least for a while | |
| 22:58 | jcamins | Color me perplexed. |
| 22:59 | milts_nz | and what shade is that exactly |
| 22:59 | jcamins | I'm not sure, but a very confused one. |
| 22:59 | I can think of no way to get RIS export to work with analytics, no matter how they're coded. | |
| 22:59 | milts_nz | :-/ |
| 23:00 | jcamins | But apparently you managed. |
| 23:00 | Ask Catalyst how they did it for UK? | |
| 23:00 | *King's Fund | |
| 23:00 | milts_nz | that's a point |
| 23:00 | jcamins | Sorry, just realized that UK was probably not an abbreviation for "King's Fund." |
| 23:00 | milts_nz | oh I dunno... |
| 23:01 | jcamins | My preferred solution would be to export a CSL-friendly format so that you could transform directly to MLA/APA/HTML directly from Koha. |
| 23:02 | I think it would be exceedingly useful. | |
| 23:03 | milts_nz | it really would, especially given how many people are using CSL |
| 23:04 | * jcamins | notes that he does subcontract, if Catalyst wants that development done. (psst: eythian) |
| 23:05 | jcamins | Our forks have swapped spaces again. |
| 23:05 | We have big forks, and we have little forks. | |
| 23:05 | The little forks were where the big forks belonged, and vice versa. | |
| 23:07 | (I'm in New York, so it's 7pm and I'm currently working on pizza) | |
| 23:08 | milts_nz | jcamins: the fork draw needs more metadata |
| 23:09 | Space_Librarian | I always seem to catch you working on pizza, jcamins |
| 23:09 | jcamins | Yeah... I'm thinking a map. |
| 23:09 | Space_Librarian | did somebody say metadata? |
| 23:09 | jcamins | Actually, my kitchen generally needs a map. |
| 23:09 | No one other than me can ever find the mixing bowls. | |
| 23:09 | (I'm not sure why, I always put them away the same place) | |
| 23:10 | Space_Librarian: I really like pizza... | |
| 23:11 | Space_Librarian | I gathered. It must be an NY thing. :D |
| 23:13 | jcamins | Space_Librarian: magnuse has pizza every Friday, and he's in Bodo, Norway. |
| 23:13 | eythian | jcamins: noted :) |
| 23:14 | though I have a minion^Wpostgrad at the moment looking for project type work who I give those things to :) | |
| 23:14 | (right now I'm just getting him started helping to improve OPAC accessability) | |
| 23:14 | Space_Librarian | I had pizza with Brooke on Monday. First time in ages. |
| 23:15 | eythian | *who I could give... |
| 23:15 | jcamins | eythian: your postgrad might not appreciate being asked to decode the semantics of the 76x-78x fields. |
| 23:15 | eythian | deep end, schmeep end |
| 23:16 | jcamins | lol |
| 23:18 | Possibly a more manageable project would be RIS-improvement. | |
| 23:18 | eythian | I'd just make him talk to you :) |
| 23:18 | yeah | |
| 23:19 | I'll see, it might be that he gets stolen before too long. | |
| 23:19 | jcamins | I favor a webservice to make milts_nz's job super-easy, but that's rather a lot of work. |
| 23:20 | eythian | problem then is you have to develop things to talk to that service, and damned if I'm going to patch endnote :) |
| 23:20 | jcamins | eythian: my version of EndNote supports CSL, I think. |
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| 23:26 | milts_nz | tbh if you can get a nice RIS export, then you can use any one of dozens of applications to turn it into whatever you like |
| 23:28 | jcamins | milts_nz: yeah, but a nice RIS export is something else entirely. |
| 23:29 | Space_Librarian | good point |
| 23:29 | jcamins | If you have to do the export more-or-less from scratch, might as well go with an open standard that goes straight into a citeproc server. |
| 23:31 | * jcamins | would suggest the minion focus on a *working* RIS export. |
| 23:32 | jcamins | (thankfully most users don't notice the problems in our RIS export, right now:) |
| 23:33 | milts_nz | as you said it's not exactly the highest demand aspect of koha... and it works OK with books |
| 23:33 | anyway, lunchtime, cheers for the help all! | |
| 23:38 | eythian | MARC::Record et al. make it unreasonably hard to renumber a field. |
| 23:38 | Space_Librarian | you said it. |
| 23:40 | jcamins | It sure does. |
| 23:42 | You should patch MARC::Record and send gmcharlt a pull request. :) | |
| 23:43 | eythian | that's what I'm thinking I might have to do. |
| 23:44 | or, just do it the ugly way and create a new tag and reinsert it. | |
| 23:44 | I also can't see a source repo for MARC::* | |
| 23:44 | jcamins | There's one somewhere because I patched it. |
| 23:45 | eythian | oh, I've found a sourceforge page |
| 23:45 | jcamins | I'll see if I can figure out where. |
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| 23:46 | dhon_ | hi all, I'm trying to setup a Koha server for developing a SIP client |
| 23:46 | I'm using the VM "configured" image | |
| 23:47 | eythian | jcamins: found the sf git repo |
| 23:48 | dhon_ | the image boots fine, but doesn't seem to be running a SIP2 server |
| 23:48 | how do I start the SIP server? | |
| 23:48 | I've tried misc/bin/sip_run.sh | |
| 23:48 | eythian | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]SIP2_server_setup <-- dhon_, this may be useful |
| 23:49 | dhon_ | and perl -IC4/SIP -MILS C4/SIP/SIPServer.pm etc/SIPconfig.xml |
| 23:49 | yeah I've read that, thanks | |
| 23:49 | eythian | OK |
| 23:49 | dhon_ | launching via the "perl ... |
| 23:50 | " command results in a bunch of missing koha-conf.xml messages | |
| 23:50 | eythian | ahh |
| 23:50 | prefix with KOHA_CONF=/path/to/koha-conf.xml | |
| 23:50 | jcamins | eythian: excellent. |
| 23:50 | dhon_ | and some perl compilation errors (?) |
| 23:50 | eythian | yeah, they'll be related |
| 23:51 | dhon_ | launching via the shell script complains that PERL5LIB is not defined |
| 23:51 | jcamins | dhon_: you'll probably want to set both PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF in your environment. |
| 23:51 | eythian | Define PERL5LIB to be /path/to/directory-before-C4 |
| 23:52 | dhon_ | is there likely to be a script that does that for me? |
| 23:52 | jcamins | Apparently not. |
| 23:52 | * jcamins | has only used Kyle's VM once. |
| 23:52 | jcamins | I would've expected it to have been set in .profile. |
| 23:52 | To confirm, are you running as the Koha user? | |
| 23:52 | dhon_ | yeah |
| 23:53 | jcamins | Also, 3.8.5? |
| 23:53 | dhon_ | seems to be installed to the /home/koha/kohaclone dir |
| 23:53 | 3.8.something | |
| 23:53 | jcamins | Yup. That's my recollection. |
| 23:53 | dhon_ | not sure, just downloaded it today |
| 23:53 | jcamins | export PERL5LIB=/home/koha/kohaclone |
| 23:53 | export KOHA_CONF=/home/koha/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml | |
| 23:54 | dhon_: downloading a recent version today is good. Not so good is having downloaded an ancient version a year ago. Our instructions in that case would be "download a recent version." ;) | |
| 23:54 | dhon_ | :) |
| 23:55 | http://sourceforge.net/project[…]files/Koha_3.8.x/ | |
| 23:55 | (was the download site) | |
| 23:56 | okay, so now ./misc/bin/sip_run.sh says "Please specify a config file and try again" - is this the SIPconfig.xml? | |
| 23:56 | jcamins | I think so. |
| 23:56 | dhon_ | ooh! I think it worked |
| 23:57 | well, it found the config and backgrounded a process.. | |
| 23:57 | eythian | that's good behavior :) |
| 23:58 | dhon_ | I can't see anything LISTENing on 6001 though |
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