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| 00:40 | jcamins_1way | mtj: I don't know that DBIx is a better ORM than Rose::DB. But I don't really care about which is objectively superior. I have heard good things about DBIx. I have heard good things about Rose::DB. Of the two, I know more about DBIx, and that seems to be true of a lot of people. That's good enough for me. Any time we talk about a major decision, we never make it. |
| 00:43 | mtj | yeah, thats pretty much how i feel too :) |
| 00:43 | rangi | working code wins |
| 00:44 | mtj | yeah, amen to that |
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| 01:13 | * mtompset | smirks, "Just read that Cataloging authorities thread." |
| 01:32 | eythian | @later tell druthb can you please resend that unicorn masher command you sent me a while ago? the paste has expired, and my IRC logs have a shortened version :( |
| 01:32 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:36 | mtompset | unicorn masher?! |
| 01:37 | eythian | @later tell druthb belay that, google had cached a copy of the paste that I was able to get out of it :) |
| 01:37 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:38 | eythian | mtompset: unmashed unicorn is not so good. |
| 01:42 | He clearly disagrees. | |
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| 05:32 | Amit_Gupta | hi koha |
| 05:38 | magnuse | kia ora #koha! |
| 05:44 | mtompset | Greetings, Amit_Gupta magnuse |
| 05:47 | Amit_Gupta | heya matompset |
| 05:48 | magnuse | hiya mtompset |
| 05:48 | ...and Amit_Gupta | |
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| 05:48 | mtompset | Do people actually define a "demo" value in the koha-conf.xml file?! |
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| 05:52 | magnuse | a demo value? |
| 05:54 | mtompset | Yes, a demo value. |
| 05:54 | line 152 of marctagstructure.pl in 3.8.5 | |
| 05:55 | I can't even find documentation related to this. | |
| 05:55 | Basically... a demo value == 1 seems to prevent the updating or insertion of a record. | |
| 05:56 | I really don't like "unless (condition) { ... }" | |
| 05:56 | oh well... someone else's coding style. :( | |
| 05:56 | eythian | agreed, it should be (condition) || { ... } |
| 05:57 | as for demo value, we don't. Our demo just reloads from a database early each morning | |
| 05:57 | s/ase/ase dump/ | |
| 05:57 | * magnuse | too |
| 05:58 | mtompset | actually ... why not "if (!condition) { ... }" |
| 05:58 | avoid short-circuiting logic. it's easier to read. | |
| 05:58 | magnuse | unless is probably meant to give code that reads more like natural language? but i'm not a fan either |
| 05:59 | eythian | a stray ! is harder to spot than 'unless' |
| 05:59 | magnuse | yup |
| 05:59 | mtompset | It isn't a problem if someone comments the code better. ;) |
| 06:00 | # now check for this case so we can blah. | |
| 06:01 | But I understand your valid point. | |
| 06:05 | Okay... now to finally get around to patching something up for bug 8777 | |
| 06:05 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8777 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Quiet errors in circulation.pl |
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| 06:18 | mtompset | BAH! This is why jcamins said that anything older than 2 years is likely not findable. |
| 06:22 | http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ugust/018267.html | |
| 06:22 | This mentioned the "demo" mode. | |
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| 06:37 | Amit_Gupta | heya julian_m |
| 06:37 | wahanui | Good luck getting ten words out of this one... |
| 06:37 | julian_m | hello Amit_Gupta |
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| 06:41 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:48 | mtompset | salut, reiveune. :) |
| 06:49 | Bonjour, alex_a | |
| 06:49 | reiveune | salut mtompset :) |
| 06:55 | alex_a | salut mtompset :) |
| 06:56 | * mtompset | smiles, "Greetings to everyone!" |
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| 06:59 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:00 | mtompset | Question: if I don't want my zebra information to have a database of biblios, how do I change it? |
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| 07:00 | mtompset | That is, various z39.50 clients give a different DB name. How do I change that? |
| 07:00 | Greetings, gaetan_B | |
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| 07:02 | magnuse | mtompset: i'm not sure you can change it, but if you can it would have to happen in koha-con.xml, i guess |
| 07:03 | mtompset | Maybe cait would know. She knows everything. ;) |
| 07:03 | cait | uhoh |
| 07:03 | magnuse | it would be cool if, on a multi koha install, you could just have different names for the z39.50 endpoints, instead of different ports |
| 07:03 | cait | no she certainly doesn't |
| 07:04 | matts | hi ! |
| 07:04 | eythian | magnuse: firewalling would be an issue there |
| 07:04 | mtompset | Well, I don't expect you to know everything. Perhaps you know how to change the DB you tell people to access for your own z39.50 server? |
| 07:05 | cait | evening eythian |
| 07:05 | eythian | mtompset: I suspect it would be difficult, as I think it maps to the directory that zebra puts its stuff into |
| 07:05 | cait | mtompset: nope |
| 07:05 | eythian | (disclaimer: I've not tried, and don't know that area very well) |
| 07:05 | cait: hiya | |
| 07:05 | cait | what magnuse said, perhaps somewhere in the config files, but changing them I would not recommend I think |
| 07:05 | eythian | I'm just about to leave, so good night :) |
| 07:06 | cait | good night |
| 07:06 | mtompset | good night, eythian. |
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| 07:11 | magnuse | have fun eythian |
| 07:12 | i think i tried figuring out how to change the name a long time ago, but i gave up | |
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| 07:18 | magnuse | ...not that that should discourage anyone else from trying to figure it out, of course :-) |
| 07:19 | druthb joined #koha | |
| 07:19 | cait | hi dr |
| 07:19 | hi druthb | |
| 07:19 | :) | |
| 07:19 | magnuse | hiya druthb |
| 07:19 | dr druthb :-) | |
| 07:19 | druthb | Hi. |
| 07:23 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 07:23 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on October 01, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:23 | druthb | @wunder 66046 |
| 07:23 | huginn | druthb: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 14.1°C (2:23 AM CDT on October 01, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling). |
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| 07:29 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 07:30 | francharb | hello |
| 07:30 | wahanui | niihau, francharb |
| 07:30 | drojf | hey francharb |
| 07:30 | wahanui | francharb falls asleep easily at sea. Don't believe me? Just ask Brooke. |
| 07:31 | * druthb | giggles |
| 07:35 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 07:35 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 10.1°C (9:13 AM CEST on October 01, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:35 | drojf | meh |
| 07:36 | magnuse | slides? |
| 07:36 | wahanui | kf should be writing slides |
| 07:36 | drojf | lol. kf is writing slides for the rest of her life |
| 07:37 | she should be writing norwegian slides ;) | |
| 07:41 | * mtompset | grumbles about having to choose a component on the bug report. |
| 07:45 | cait | it certainly feels like it |
| 07:45 | but rigt now she is trying to get an appointment at her old dentist | |
| 07:45 | *growl* | |
| 07:49 | mtompset | old as in age, or old as in previous? And if the latter, why not the new one? |
| 07:52 | drojf | it seems like the new one is scary, made her run away |
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| 08:05 | paul_p | good morning #koha |
| 08:08 | drojf | bonjour paul_p |
| 08:09 | magnuse | kia ora paul_p! |
| 08:12 | cait joined #koha | |
| 08:14 | drojf | cait: 56k modem connection? go offline to call the dentist? :P |
| 08:17 | mtompset | Bonjour, paul_p. :) |
| 08:23 | drojf: maybe she has one of those dsl lines that cuts out when a phone call is received or made? :) | |
| 08:24 | cait joined #koha | |
| 08:28 | drojf | mtompset: looking a the company she is using that is quite possible ;) |
| 08:29 | "looking at" even | |
| 08:37 | ping cait | |
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| 08:49 | cait1 | yes? |
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| 08:58 | WaqarAzeem | hi! can i disable the 'Cart' and 'Lists' from the header of opac. |
| 09:00 | mtompset | You can use javascript to hide them, so effectively yes. |
| 09:00 | drojf | WaqarAzeem: yes |
| 09:00 | you can disable the features too | |
| 09:01 | mtompset | I didn't know about the syspref. :) |
| 09:01 | drojf | in the staff client, use search system preferences and search for "cart" and "list", the options should pop up there |
| 09:01 | WaqarAzeem | good idea. |
| 09:01 | mtompset | Are they still visible when you disable them, drojf? do you know? |
| 09:02 | cait1 | no they are hidden |
| 09:02 | drojf | mtompset: i'm pretty sure they are not |
| 09:02 | cait1 | hi jcamins |
| 09:02 | jcamins | What would be the point of displaying disabled functionality? |
| 09:02 | cait1 | awake early again? |
| 09:02 | jcamins | Morning. |
| 09:02 | wahanui | morning is, like, a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast |
| 09:02 | drojf | jcamins: bad coding ;) |
| 09:02 | jcamins | Shari had a 6am call. |
| 09:03 | drojf | and good morning |
| 09:05 | mtompset | To let you know that you can't do something that the program can do. ;) |
| 09:05 | To taunt you mercilessly. ;) | |
| 09:06 | magnuse | lol |
| 09:06 | drojf | heh |
| 09:06 | jcamins | Isn't it a bit late for cait? |
| 09:08 | mtompset | It's only 5PM in the Philippines... So it is earlier in Germany, right? |
| 09:08 | drojf | it's 11am |
| 09:08 | jcamins | Elevenish? |
| 09:08 | mtompset | You both owe me a coke. :P |
| 09:09 | jcamins | So, yes. Unusually late for cait. Norway trip? :) |
| 09:10 | magnuse | not yet |
| 09:10 | cait1 | cait is on vacation today |
| 09:10 | jcamins | Lucky cait! |
| 09:10 | cait1 | and needs distraction |
| 09:11 | mtompset | Not much of a vacation phoning dentists. |
| 09:11 | drojf | i would like an irc client that shows the timestamps according to local time of each person. that would look amazing(ly confusing) |
| 09:11 | jcamins | drojf: hehe. Yes, very confusing. |
| 09:11 | mtompset | Actually... |
| 09:11 | wahanui | actually are you going to be the system administrator for this system? |
| 09:11 | mtompset | wahanui: forget actually |
| 09:11 | wahanui | mtompset: I forgot actually |
| 09:11 | WaqarAzeem | Cart is disable by 'opacbookbag' |
| 09:12 | mtompset | You could put the local time on the left and the users time on the right (or vice versa using a configuration option) |
| 09:12 | That wouldn't be too confusing then. | |
| 09:13 | drojf | mtompset: i think its more fun to only have the user's time. and then sort the logs by timestamp to drive people readings them nuts |
| 09:14 | mtompset | That idea is mean and crazy. |
| 09:14 | WaqarAzeem | and virtualshelves hide the List option |
| 09:14 | drojf | we could do that on first of april ;) |
| 09:14 | jcamins | drojf: if you used irssi you could write a script to do that. |
| 09:15 | rangi | !jenkins build Koha_master |
| 09:15 | jenkins_koha | rangi: job Koha_master build scheduled with a quiet period of 5 seconds |
| 09:15 | Starting build #859 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #856 2 days 23 hr ago) | |
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| 09:20 | rangi | jcamins: i think the patch for 8846 isn't quite enough, need to mock config |
| 09:20 | not preference | |
| 09:20 | or both | |
| 09:20 | jcamins | rangi: config doesn't get called. |
| 09:21 | Hm, no, I guess config gets called, but the results are summarily disregarded. | |
| 09:21 | +$tmplModule->mock('_get_template_file', sub { | |
| 09:21 | (etc.) | |
| 09:21 | rangi | gonna have to fix that commit message then :) |
| 09:22 | jcamins | Fixing the test is just a side-effect. |
| 09:22 | There was so much database access going on that I gave up and mocked the entire routine. Apparently that was a good idea. ;) | |
| 09:24 | We get a bunch of warnings without mocking config, though... | |
| 09:27 | Okay, new patch, now with updated commit message and fewer warnings. | |
| 09:31 | rangi | sweet thanks |
| 09:38 | mtompset | Finally, get back to bug 8777 today. |
| 09:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8777 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Quiet errors in circulation.pl |
| 09:44 | * rangi | goes to bed |
| 09:45 | cait1 | good night rangi |
| 09:51 | mtompset | fewer warnings on the 'make test'? |
| 09:51 | All those warnings freak me out a little. | |
| 09:51 | jcamins | mtompset: I've noticed. |
| 09:53 | mtompset | sometimes they are valid though (missing Test::MockModule and DBD::Mock) |
| 09:53 | jcamins | Yes. In those cases where they are not just warnings, they should be dealt with. |
| 09:55 | mtompset | It was hard to notice the legit error in the midst of the noise. |
| 09:57 | jcamins | In that case, it would probably be more productive to focus on those warnings than warnings in a page that is rarely used (the framework editor). |
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| 10:13 | mtompset | It's being used now by my librarian colleagues. |
| 10:13 | That's why I fixed it. :P | |
| 10:16 | I have a backlog of fixes that need to get back into Koha. | |
| 10:23 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 10:23 | Project Koha_master build #859: FIXED in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/859/ | |
| 10:25 | drojf | master++ |
| 10:30 | magnuse | w00t! |
| 10:43 | wow, big news from biblibre: http://drupal.biblibre.com/en/[…]another-next-step | |
| 10:43 | * cait1 | reads |
| 10:53 | drojf | ah, not bought by ptfs *relieved* |
| 10:54 | magnuse | lol |
| 10:55 | i'll miss hdl, though... | |
| 10:55 | jcamins | drojf: hehe. |
| 11:05 | mtompset | drojf? |
| 11:05 | wahanui | drojf is from Germany and developing Koha on a raspberry pi! |
| 11:06 | mtompset | Did you fix your git woes, drojf? |
| 11:06 | ptfs? | |
| 11:07 | -- Strange... it was a vulgarity before. | |
| 11:07 | I guess someone cleaned up wahanui's vocabulary. ;) | |
| 11:14 | drojf | it was kind of below our standards to be fair |
| 11:14 | cait1 | yeah agreed |
| 11:15 | drojf | fixed git in so far that i have a virtual machine that i can use to work with it. not fixed the old git, but i think it's not worth the trouble |
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| 11:17 | cait1 | @wunder oslo |
| 11:17 | huginn | cait1: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 11:17 | cait1 | @wunder oslo, norway |
| 11:17 | huginn | cait1: The current temperature in Harestua, Harestua, Norway is 12.7°C (1:16 PM CEST on October 01, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). |
| 11:23 | magnuse | harestua? that's far into the woods. weird! |
| 11:23 | @wunder osl | |
| 11:23 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Oslo Airport, Norway is 13.0°C (12:47 PM CEST on October 01, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). |
| 11:24 | jcamins | magnuse: apparently Norway is suffering from the opposite problem from much of Europe. Instead of urbanizing, it is ruralizing. :) |
| 11:24 | magnuse | hehe, i wish |
| 11:24 | jcamins | Even Oslo is deep in the woods now. |
| 11:25 | magnuse | yeah, guess it is |
| 11:25 | i think the geographical centre of oslo is somewhere in the woods, actually | |
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| 11:34 | magnuse | no more excuses - off to write contracts! |
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| 12:27 | mtompset | Oooo... as a result of jcamins' prodding... I found a bug in a package. |
| 12:28 | jcamins | Oh? |
| 12:28 | mtompset | ValueBuilder.pm has 3 packages in it. |
| 12:28 | The second one is missing 1; | |
| 12:29 | jcamins | Does that have any practical ramifications? |
| 12:29 | mtompset | Well, I don't usually put 3 packages into a file, so I am not sure. |
| 12:30 | Other than generating an error in the tests? | |
| 12:30 | It may try to defined the 3rd package as a sub-package? | |
| 12:30 | I'm not sure... I'm guessing wildly. | |
| 12:30 | jcamins | So the impact of that mistake is that there is a warning during make test? |
| 12:31 | mtompset | Yes. |
| 12:31 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 12:31 | You should patch it, then. | |
| 12:31 | mtompset | I will... I'm slowly going through the make test warnings. |
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| 12:33 | tcohen | hi mtompset |
| 12:33 | morning #koha | |
| 12:33 | mtompset | greetings, tcohen. |
| 12:34 | I see you got the patch up and ready for signoff on bug 8840. :) | |
| 12:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8840 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , ubuntu-pkg-check.sh fix and extend functionality |
| 12:34 | tcohen | yes, found a bug I fixed too |
| 12:34 | i think is ready right now | |
| 12:37 | yeah, it needs sign-off ;) | |
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| 12:42 | drojf | is there a 10/2012 bug in ex libris aleph? my university account lost all information about the books i have borrowed |
| 12:43 | koyauni | who is responsible for the mailing please? |
| 12:44 | mtompset | drojf: So you don't have to return them? ;) |
| 12:44 | drojf | the mailing of what? do you mean mailing lists? |
| 12:44 | mtompset: i would go so far as to say i cannot, atm :D | |
| 12:44 | koyauni | koha mailing list where we share stuff and get replies |
| 12:44 | tcohen | what do u need koyauni? |
| 12:45 | mtompset | Why are you looking for you? |
| 12:45 | jcamins | drojf: you can always return books. They'll just not have been checked out. |
| 12:45 | mtompset | for who? |
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| 12:45 | mtompset | mailing lists? |
| 12:45 | wahanui | mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 12:45 | drojf | jcamins: i'm trying to find out at the moment it they are listed as checked out. and i am not sure what the returns machine will do. it would work at the counter of course, but they do not allow that anymore |
| 12:46 | jcamins | drojf: there's a machine that does something different than checking in books? |
| 12:46 | I've used Aleph, and when you check in a book that isn't checked out, it just gets routed to shelving. | |
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| 12:47 | drojf | no the machine only does returns AFAIK. but you could drop off the books at a human being at the counter too up until a while ago. sorry if i worded that badly |
| 12:48 | jcamins | drojf: right, but the machine presumably checks in books, then routes them for shelving, right? |
| 12:49 | nengard | hello all |
| 12:50 | Working on the manual some more today and have a question about Bug 8597 ? is it as simple as setting the preferences? or do you have to make any other changes on the server that I need to document? | |
| 12:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Pushed to Master , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view |
| 12:50 | jcamins | nengard: you need to set opaccolorstylesheet to colors.css and switch the theme to ccsr. |
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| 12:51 | drojf | jcamins: ah yes, i suppose so. judging from the completely empty holdings information it may also be a that they use even more information from different servers and something is blocked in my browser… or their system is completely broken |
| 12:51 | jcamins | Hehe. That's what you get for disallowing google analytics! |
| 12:52 | No call numbers for you! | |
| 12:52 | nengard | jcamins sounds nice and easy! |
| 12:52 | mtompset | Google analytics is evil and invasive! :P |
| 12:52 | jcamins | nengard: very easy. By default, opaccolorsheet is already set to colors.css. |
| 12:53 | koyauni | sorry I was cut off, |
| 12:53 | the admin for kohalists.katipo.co.nz |
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| 12:53 | nengard | Now I need to get an app for my phone to take a screenshot :) |
| 12:53 | jcamins | koyauni: why do you need the administrator for that list? |
| 12:54 | nengard: you know you can resize the browser to very small and it will switch to the mobile view automatically? | |
| 12:54 | koyauni | so we can set up a new google group service we can can have all 12 years mailing list imported to it, |
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| 12:54 | koyauni | with new forum interface |
| 12:54 | drojf | to misquote mtompset: "google is evil and invasive!" |
| 12:55 | koyauni | :( |
| 12:55 | jcamins | koyauni: why? You're much better off using the existing interfaces. |
| 12:55 | mtompset | No, I'd say that too. :P |
| 12:55 | jcamins | I don't think any of the developers would use a Google group. |
| 12:55 | koyauni | it is hard to find things, |
| 12:55 | a forum can serve better and we sitll can us the list, | |
| 12:56 | jcamins | koyauni: http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]ral-f3047918.html |
| 12:56 | koyauni | not all the members of the list are programmer and developer |
| 12:56 | mtompset | koyauni: Frankly, google indexes the current forums well enough... site:<which ever one you want> |
| 12:56 | koyauni | this will bring Koha to be shard to average users as well |
| 12:57 | so google serve Koha somehow, :) | |
| 12:57 | jcamins | koyauni: my point was there wouldn't be anyone to answer questions. |
| 12:57 | If you use the nabble interface, it looks like a forum, and your question goes to everyone. | |
| 12:57 | koyauni | I do not know why should be so hard to get this done, so the list will remain for programmers and Forum will be better for normal users to share things they learn about Koha |
| 12:58 | mtompset | Nabble has search capability. |
| 12:58 | koyauni | no, need, not all Forum has experts, |
| 12:58 | many new comers can share their experience, | |
| 12:58 | jcamins | mailing lists? |
| 12:59 | wahanui | mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 12:59 | koyauni | you still will be able to use the mailing list |
| 12:59 | mtompset | koyauni: Your enthusiam is great, but the idea has been hashed and rehashed before. |
| 12:59 | jcamins | If you follow the link to the general mailing list, you'll see that it gives the administrators at the bottom: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha |
| 12:59 | koyauni | does it harm to import the 12 year mailing list to google forum |
| 12:59 | jcamins | I have no objection to someone setting up a Google group, as long as it's made clear that the best way to get support is the mailing lists. |
| 13:00 | koyauni | this is easy https://groups.google.com/forum/#!overview |
| 13:01 | and we can share, even your reply via mailing list will be added directly to the forum | |
| 13:01 | mtompset | koyauni: We already suffer from people setting up their own unofficial guides. Do we really need to extend it to websites and forums too? |
| 13:01 | koyauni | yes we can do that |
| 13:01 | mtompset | koyauni: But the nabble interface is sufficient. |
| 13:02 | jcamins | koyauni: oh, you're thinking about setting it up to be just like nabble? I'm not entirely sure why we need that, but that's better than a separate forum. |
| 13:02 | mtompset | no, koyauni is thinking like phpbb. |
| 13:02 | koyauni | I did a PHPBB forum but there we can not import the old data, in google forum we can |
| 13:02 | so I will delete that phpBB, as it will not serve us | |
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| 13:04 | koyauni | this one has no pain but we need the admin to do it who has access to mailing list to allow the import then it will go smoothly, I can help run it after that |
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| 13:05 | mtompset | koyauni: I don't think you'll find an admin that will go for the idea, but I could be wrong. |
| 13:07 | drojf | i'm not sure if importing all that to google does not imply some legal stuff. i have subscribed to a mailing list that had nothing to do with google, i may not want my mails to appear as a contribution to a google group |
| 13:08 | koyauni | you mean Koha google group, |
| 13:09 | I guess member will get different level of permission and one can decided what they are ready to do | |
| 13:09 | drojf | it's still content that appears under google's terms on googles website, even though people contributing that content did not know that it would and do not neccessarily agree to googles terms |
| 13:10 | koyauni | Anyway, I am just trying to see the whole Koha community thing from other perspective that programming, We have couple Librarin here in Iraq, who does not know English, but using Google Translate to learn things, |
| 13:11 | drojf | koyauni: have you thought about setting up a language specific list? others have done that before |
| 13:11 | koyauni | such a group can help them to find things related to their issues and easier to follow, This will just boost the popularity of the application. |
| 13:11 | jcamins | koyauni: how is this different from nabble? |
| 13:11 | drojf | koyauni: the language of our mails will not change in a google group |
| 13:11 | maybe i misunderstand the point | |
| 13:11 | jcamins | It looks exactly the same to me. |
| 13:12 | koyauni | that is only one thing I mentioned, |
| 13:12 | they know Arabic, but I said they need to use Koha in English | |
| 13:12 | and try to learn | |
| 13:12 | so they use their time in self learning | |
| 13:13 | we need to see possibilities rather that stick to something for the sake of traditions, | |
| 13:14 | drojf | it's not about tradition |
| 13:16 | koyauni | anyway, I give up :) |
| 13:16 | mtompset | server split! |
| 13:16 | koyauni: I do think requesting a language specific mailing list would be a good idea. | |
| 13:16 | And with the nabble interface, they can search for things. | |
| 13:16 | jwagner | koyauni, you can raise the question at one of the monthly IRC meetings |
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| 13:17 | koyauni | one technical question, we want to follow LoC system for recording Arabic books, and they have field 880 with subfield 6, our Koha miss this sub 6, |
| 13:17 | how do we get that? | |
| 13:17 | is this something we do here | |
| 13:17 | http://library.software.coop:8[…]code=GENRE%2FFORM | |
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| 13:18 | jcamins | koyauni: you need to set that in the MARC frameworks. |
| 13:18 | mtompset | Seee... people use it, jcamins. :P |
| 13:18 | jcamins | That link is to the authority type configuration. |
| 13:18 | mtompset | Seeeeeeee! People use it. :P |
| 13:18 | jcamins | mtompset: *Once*. |
| 13:19 | mtompset | You aren't thinking about all the newbies that come on. |
| 13:19 | There's potentially 7 billion people to set up their own libraries. ;) | |
| 13:20 | Okay, that's dreaming too big, but still. :) | |
| 13:20 | koyauni | so I need to add new farmwork |
| 13:20 | jcamins | koyauni: no, you just need to make the subfield 6 visible. |
| 13:21 | koyauni | Guys, this is a a min test, setup the group, if it does not work, delete the group, but is it serve everyone then we have doen something google, so simpele |
| 13:22 | do you mean in here http://library.software.coop:8[…]code=GENRE%2FFORM | |
| 13:24 | drojf | wow that has a fancy "show all" instead of those numbers i forget the meaning of every time |
| 13:25 | jcamins | koyauni: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]marcbibframeworks |
| 13:25 | drojf | ah well it's still auhorities. are there less options? but that would be fancy for biblios too |
| 13:25 | koyauni | my subfiled 6 say "Show all" bust still we can not see it |
| 13:26 | jcamins | koyauni: you need to set "hidden" to 0. |
| 13:29 | koyauni | ok |
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| 13:36 | koyauni | how to you make 880 to appear :( |
| 13:36 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 13:37 | drojf | koyauni: if it says "show all" then you are working on the wrong kind of framework |
| 13:37 | hi wizzyrea | |
| 13:37 | jcamins | koyauni: you need to set "hidden" to 0 in the MARC bibliographic frameworks you use. I sent you a link to the manual page on that. |
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| 13:43 | koyauni | can we just import BKS from LoC and use that |
| 13:43 | jcamins | koyauni: I don't understand your question. |
| 13:44 | If you don't want to edit records that you download via Z39.50, you don't have to. | |
| 13:44 | koyauni | in here on 4.1.5.2 http://manual.koha-community.o[…]marcbibframeworks |
| 13:45 | I mean import a framwork | |
| 13:45 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 13:45 | The Library of Congress doesn't use Koha. | |
| 13:45 | So, no. | |
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| 13:47 | koyauni | but they use MARC |
| 13:48 | and the same framwork | |
| 13:48 | jcamins | koyauni: no, MARC frameworks are specific to Koha. |
| 13:50 | koyauni | ok, thanks! |
| 13:51 | drojf | koyauni: the MARC frameworks in koha represent what the LOC describes, so that you can use these specifics in your koha system and tweak them to your needs. but you have to tweak them in koha. you could only import a framework from another koha library |
| 13:51 | (or, your own backups once you have saved some) | |
| 13:52 | * drojf | walks off to the library |
| 13:53 | koyauni | now I get that! |
| 13:55 | We have many Arabic title and they are not indexed, someone told me that we need to enable ICU for Zebra for non Latin scripts, he said before I do that I need to backup my system, what does he mean by that? What to back up, and how? | |
| 13:56 | this is the guide http://www.scribd.com/doc/4519[…]-Support-in-Zebra | |
| 13:59 | I think in next Koha this need to become default function of common package as in library of this world you will have non Latin records anyway. | |
| 13:59 | slef | koyauni: back up the mysql database used by koha and the koha*conf* files for your system. How you do that depends on your system: backup policies are beyond the scope of Koha. |
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| 14:01 | koyauni | sorry, sut off, well we use Debian 6+ on dedicated server using Plesk 11+, but Koha Db was created out side Plesk and I can not see it on my CP, |
| 14:02 | jcamins | koyauni: `sudo koha-dump library` (or whatever you named your Koha instance) |
| 14:05 | koyauni | does this mean that it has dumped the configs as well |
| 14:05 | rootkoyauniversity ~ # sudo koha-dump library Dumping Koha site library: * DB to /var/spool/koha/library/library-2012-10-01.sql.gz * configs, logs to /var/spool/koha/library/library-2012-10-01.tar.gz Done. |
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| 14:05 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 14:05 | You now have a backup in /var/spool/koha/library | |
| 14:06 | koyauni | so I should dare to do the ICU now, GOD help me! :) |
| 14:11 | thanks you guys, see u | |
| 14:11 | tcohen | does anyone remember there was some problem with 008 in marc21? |
| 14:11 | just asking prior to searching in bz | |
| 14:11 | jcamins | tcohen: what kind of problem? |
| 14:12 | tcohen | after changing the values and clicking accept, everything seems ok |
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| 14:12 | tcohen | but when editing again its all back to default |
| 14:12 | jcamins | Hm. Never seen that. |
| 14:12 | tcohen | at least that's what my users told me |
| 14:12 | currently on 3.8.5 | |
| 14:13 | * nengard | is reporting more bugs than she is writing manual updates ? |
| 14:21 | SJeffery | I almost hate to ask, but is there a way to reset the auto-increment value for auto barcodes? |
| 14:21 | jcamins | SJeffery: there is not. |
| 14:22 | libsysguy | you'd have to truncate the table |
| 14:22 | but that'd delete all the data | |
| 14:23 | and would completely hose all the fk's | |
| 14:23 | :) | |
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| 14:25 | SJeffery | *facepalm* just does not seem sufficient when working with Koha. |
| 14:27 | * mtompset | jokes, "tcohen, check if demo is defined in the koha-conf.xml file." |
| 14:27 | jcamins | SJeffery: what is your goal, exactly? |
| 14:28 | libsysguy | first question? |
| 14:28 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" |
| 14:30 | SJeffery | jcamins: We use a specific set of barcode ranges for different purposes. Someone must have entered one at some point (probably me as a test) that far exceeeds any of those ranges. |
| 14:30 | jcamins | What do the barcodes look like? |
| 14:30 | SJeffery | grr, meeting. back in a bit |
| 14:32 | mtompset | Oops... that's why a test system is so important! |
| 14:33 | fk's? What do you mean fk's, libsysguy? | |
| 14:33 | jcamins | Foreign keys. |
| 14:33 | libsysguy | foreign keys |
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| 14:41 | tcohen | mtompset, i was away, didn't get the joke |
| 14:42 | mtompset | There seems to be a user 'demo' with password 'demo' coded into the system, and if you set a value demo=1 in the koha-conf.xml file, supposedly it does things like not write data. |
| 14:42 | At least in the marc tag structure code I was reading/fixing. | |
| 14:42 | * jcamins | did not know that. |
| 14:52 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Holidays Test Plan - DB Dependent <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ecca97837edd7f404> / bug 8110 - add branchcode MPL to sample holidays to facilitate automated testing. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]64fd3ababa00c8094> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8209' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=k |
| 14:54 | mtompset | I don't think anyone except a select few do, jcamins. It's not documented. |
| 14:55 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #860 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) |
| 14:56 | mtompset | jcamins: My initial gut feeling of a missing 1; was wrong... it's a scoping issue. multiple packages all with a $DEBUG variables using 'my' in the same file are going to overlap, because perl scopes $DEBUG to the file level. I'm wondering if 'local' or 'our' is better. |
| 14:56 | jcamins | mtompset: our |
| 14:56 | It's Plack-friendly. | |
| 14:57 | mtompset | Okay. our it is. |
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| 15:03 | jcamins | SJeffery: if the item with the abnormally high barcode has been deleted, your system administrator may be able to reset it in the database by running "ANALYZE TABLE items;" |
| 15:06 | wizzyrea | take a picture |
| 15:06 | mtompset | my (@blah) = m/magic/x if $_; -- @blah is still defined, right? |
| 15:07 | (if $_ is undef) | |
| 15:07 | jcamins | No. |
| 15:07 | mtompset | I mean DECLARED. |
| 15:07 | not defined. | |
| 15:07 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 15:08 | mtompset | Sorry, I was unclear. |
| 15:08 | jcamins | I think so, but don't use a construct like that. |
| 15:08 | Declare it in one line then set it in another. | |
| 15:08 | nengard | wizzyrea - if I have to I will |
| 15:08 | it won't be as clear as a screenshot though | |
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| 15:30 | mtompset | Well, going offline for a few hours. Sleep is vital. |
| 15:31 | Have a good day (24 hour period) everyone! | |
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| 15:52 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7642 follow-up fix POD <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c8f88300a4c4ccf00> / Bug 7642 - fix the lost display of tag sizes <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2cdb661e2b15d5ab0> / Bug 3387 follow-up: fix perlcritic error <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]618fd313405bf0999 |
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| 16:03 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #860: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/860/ |
| 16:03 | * jcamins: Bug 8581: don't display parentheses when we don't have a type | |
| 16:03 | * jcamins: Bug 8209 follow-up: another correction for BuildSummary API | |
| 16:03 | * wizzyrea: bug 8110 - add branchcode MPL to sample holidays to facilitate automated testing. | |
| 16:03 | * kyle: Holidays Test Plan - DB Dependent | |
| 16:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8581 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Authority display doesn't like GND records |
| 16:03 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8209 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities | |
| 16:03 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8110 normal, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Add tests for Calendar modules | |
| 16:03 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #861 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #859 6 hr 48 min ago) |
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| 16:21 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:23 | gaetan_B | bye |
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| 16:49 | cait | hello #koha |
| 16:55 | hm now I scared drojf away | |
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| 17:07 | cait | wb drojf :) |
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| 17:07 | drojf | hi cait :) feeling better? |
| 17:08 | cait | tos |
| 17:08 | tons | |
| 17:08 | only the typing is still bad :) | |
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| 17:10 | drojf | ding ding ding ding ding! MULTICAIT! *makes pinball machine sounds* |
| 17:11 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #861: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/861/ |
| 17:11 | * kyle: Bug 3387 - WITHDRAWN items shouldn't check in | |
| 17:11 | * Paul Poulain: Bug 3387 follow-up DBRev number | |
| 17:11 | * Paul Poulain: Bug 3387 follow-up: fix perlcritic error | |
| 17:11 | * robin: Bug 7642 - fix the lost display of tag sizes | |
| 17:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3387 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , WITHDRAWN items shouldn't check in |
| 17:11 | jenkins_koha | * Paul Poulain: Bug 7642 follow-up fix POD |
| 17:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7642 minor, P5 - low, ---, stacey, Pushed to Master , The number that appears when hovering over a tag in the tag cloud isn't the number of items with that tag |
| 17:11 | jcamins | So I guess now we have to fix the functionality that's broken so that test starts passing. |
| 17:11 | cait1 | lol |
| 17:12 | jcamins | khall++ # for tests that demonstrate a problem |
| 17:16 | cait1 | t |
| 17:24 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #862 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #859 8 hr 9 min ago) |
| 17:25 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8818: make sure we load modules before using them <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a809cf874d2c200fd> / Bug 5335 follow-up: fixing Perl error <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4faecf755e33e6c90> / Bug_7913-Follow-up, hide button for subs with items <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]t;a=commitdiff;h= |
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| 18:32 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #862: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/862/ |
| 18:32 | * koha: Receiving serials in a loop | |
| 18:32 | * preprod: Bug_7913-Follow-up, hide button for subs with items | |
| 18:32 | * Paul Poulain: Bug 5335 follow-up: fixing Perl error | |
| 18:32 | * jcamins: Bug 8818: make sure we load modules before using them | |
| 18:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5335 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , More granular VAT |
| 18:33 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8818 blocker, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Authority linker error on Z cataloging | |
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| 18:38 | rangi | Morning |
| 18:38 | wahanui | i heard Morning was a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. |
| 18:38 | cait | morning rangi |
| 18:38 | trea | kia ora |
| 18:40 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
| 18:40 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on October 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising). |
| 18:40 | rangi | Not nice weather today |
| 18:43 | Hmm unhappy Jenkins again | |
| 18:43 | jcamins | rangi: I think these are legitimate failures. |
| 18:45 | rangi | Ahh regressions? |
| 18:46 | I'll look when I'm at work | |
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| 18:47 | jcamins | rangi: from 3.8. These are the calendar tests that don't work. |
| 18:47 | cait1 | wifi_in_this_household-- |
| 18:49 | it keeps kicking me out | |
| 18:49 | and windows doesn't like my sim card | |
| 18:50 | gr. | |
| 18:51 | hm | |
| 18:51 | lots of the demo links are broken | |
| 18:51 | jcamins | What demo links? |
| 18:54 | cait1 | on the website |
| 18:54 | demos? | |
| 18:54 | demo? | |
| 18:54 | wahanui | demo is at http://koha-community.org/demo/ or http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ha_Demo_Databases |
| 18:56 | jcamins | gmcharlt: MySQL is not running on ESI's Koha demo. |
| 18:56 | SJeffery | the demo version info is also out of date |
| 18:56 | (at least on the first one IIRC) | |
| 19:01 | gmcharlt | jcamins: thanks |
| 19:31 | rangi | http://koha-community.org/support/forums/ |
| 19:32 | forums are http://koha-community.org/support/forums/ | |
| 19:32 | forums? | |
| 19:32 | wahanui | forums are http://koha-community.org/support/forums/ |
| 19:32 | rangi | for next time koyauni comes in |
| 19:32 | just keep pasting that again and again and again | |
| 19:32 | we have 6 .. we dont need 7 | |
| 19:32 | cait1 | ok |
| 19:32 | jcamins | rangi: I object! The data isn't owned by Google! |
| 19:33 | Hm. Need to find someone with write access to that page to add an additional link to WebOrange. | |
| 19:34 | cait | ? |
| 19:34 | jcamins | It doesn't link to all the lists. |
| 19:34 | The main list is on lists.katipo.co.nz. | |
| 19:35 | rangi | whats the link you want added? |
| 19:35 | i can add it | |
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| 19:35 | jcamins | http://web.archiveorange.com/a[…]ists.katipo.co.nz |
| 19:35 | Thanks. | |
| 19:36 | * jcamins | had never seen that interface before. |
| 19:37 | cait | hmm |
| 19:37 | does that load for others? | |
| 19:37 | libsysguy | it does for me |
| 19:37 | oh | |
| 19:38 | rangi | jcamins: done |
| 19:38 | cait: yes | |
| 19:38 | very very slowly | |
| 19:38 | cait | hmm now it came up... of course... thx for testing :) |
| 19:39 | hm 700 more koha libraries listed in lib-web-cats now than 2.5 years ago | |
| 19:39 | just a fun fact - we know it's not all libaries | |
| 19:40 | rangi | yep |
| 19:40 | cait | but still nice to see that number growing :) |
| 19:40 | rangi | that map is only the ones with coordinates in it too |
| 19:40 | cait | yeah |
| 19:40 | jcamins | cait: mtj was doing a OpenStreetmaps-based map of Koha libraries. |
| 19:40 | cait | but I can't draw one myself :) |
| 19:40 | jcamins: do you have a link? | |
| 19:40 | rangi | how many when you did an advanced search? |
| 19:41 | cait | 1640 for today |
| 19:41 | jcamins | cait: I do not. Ask mtj. |
| 19:41 | cait | mtj mtj mtj |
| 19:41 | * cait | tries the beetlejuice trick |
| 19:41 | mtj | heya |
| 19:41 | kathryn | morning all :) |
| 19:42 | cait | morning kathryn :) |
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| 19:43 | mtj | i emailed jamie at weborange to correct that, just last week :) |
| 19:44 | cait | hi mtj :) |
| 19:44 | I heard you did a nice map of koha libraries? :) | |
| 19:44 | rangi | cool mtj |
| 19:48 | mtj | i didnt know the koha-general list was working on weborange |
| 19:48 | jcamins | mtj: yeah, but the link wasn't there. |
| 19:48 | mtj | … looks like it just needs to be 'added' to the lists.kc.org homepage |
| 19:49 | ie: that one -> http://web.archiveorange.com/a[…]ha-community.org/ | |
| 19:49 | SJeffery | IMO, it is kindof impressive how many special libraries are using it now |
| 19:49 | (since they in general do not have the technical resources that other libraries have) | |
| 19:49 | mtj | cait, yes re: koha openmaps |
| 19:53 | i started it many months ago… now planning to finish it, in 1-2 weeks :) | |
| 19:54 | cait | aaah nice :) |
| 19:54 | mtj | but my data is now out of date too - i will refresh that, after go-live |
| 19:57 | rangi | jcamins: yep you are right those holiday ones are legitimate |
| 19:57 | ill fix the syspref one | |
| 20:01 | !jenkins build koha_master now | |
| 20:01 | jenkins_koha | rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now |
| 20:01 | Starting build #863 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #859 10 hr ago) | |
| 20:07 | rangi | http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/860/ |
| 20:07 | ill look into this now | |
| 20:09 | fixed | |
| 20:09 | the db didnt have the sample holidays loaded | |
| 20:09 | should be back to all tests passing now | |
| 20:10 | cait | rangi++ |
| 20:10 | jcamins | rangi++ |
| 20:22 | rangi | jcamins: bug 8581 is a candidate for 3.8.x eh? |
| 20:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8581 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Authority display doesn't like GND records |
| 20:22 | jcamins | Yes please! |
| 20:23 | It's nice and safe, and protects cait's displays against unseemly extra parentheses. | |
| 20:23 | rangi | cool |
| 20:24 | jcamins | And the rest of us will never notice, not having totally insane authority records. |
| 20:24 | rangi | hmm |
| 20:24 | cait | :P |
| 20:24 | jcamins | @quote get 123 |
| 20:24 | huginn | jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 20:24 | pastebot | "rangi" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "<<<<<<< HEAD [% CASE %]([% typ" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/203 |
| 20:25 | rangi | i think needs to be rebased for 3.8.x |
| 20:25 | or its sneaking in the see also stuffs too | |
| 20:26 | SJeffery | Someone mentioned insane authority records? You must be talking about us! |
| 20:27 | jcamins | rangi: oh, yeah, good point. |
| 20:28 | cait | SJeffery: this time not :) |
| 20:28 | only all germany | |
| 20:28 | SJeffery | How are those insane? |
| 20:29 | jcamins | I will rebase against 3.8.x. |
| 20:29 | rangi | thanks |
| 20:30 | jcamins | SJeffery: how are they not? |
| 20:30 | * jcamins | will find an example. |
| 20:31 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 20:31 | cait | SJeffery: using lots of 9 something fields |
| 20:31 | jcamins | I'm having some trouble finding a single example. |
| 20:32 | SJeffery | I view this as a challenge...that I must find some way to once again make ours the worst there are |
| 20:32 | jcamins | And the 5xx fields are rather wacky. They add a lot of interesting coding. |
| 20:35 | rangi | hmm some more enhancements pushed to master ??!?? |
| 20:35 | jcamins | Awww. All of cait's libraries have the crazy subfields removed from their authorities. |
| 20:35 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ivity.cgi?id=7913 |
| 20:35 | isnt that 9 days PAST the freeze? | |
| 20:35 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 20:35 | rangi | wtf |
| 20:36 | cait | hm |
| 20:36 | rangi | oh bug 3387 too |
| 20:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3387 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , WITHDRAWN items shouldn't check in |
| 20:36 | cait | which was our first time based release? |
| 20:36 | rangi | 3.4 |
| 20:36 | cait | jcamins: all of our libraries still have a mix of old and new authorities |
| 20:36 | we still have to reload | |
| 20:37 | rangi | did i miss something? did we cancel the feature freeze? |
| 20:37 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ivity.cgi?id=3387 <-- that passed 10 days after the freeze | |
| 20:38 | cait | rangi: thx (3.4) |
| 20:38 | I think paul didn#t think of it as a new feature | |
| 20:38 | rangi | both of them? |
| 20:38 | jcamins | cait: and I hear the RM presumptive for 3.12 is a martinet. |
| 20:38 | cait | or maybe because it was being debated for a while |
| 20:38 | martinet? | |
| 20:38 | jcamins | cait: very strict. |
| 20:39 | rangi | maybe you could get away with 3387 not being a feature |
| 20:39 | but bug 7913 | |
| 20:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7913 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha, Pushed to Master , Automatically receive serial issues |
| 20:39 | rangi | there is no way that isnt a feature |
| 20:39 | cait | not my features |
| 20:39 | and I would still like to see allowonshelfholds on circulation matrix go in... | |
| 20:39 | it's currently blocked with a problem paul found that srdjan says does not exist | |
| 20:39 | *sigh* | |
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| 20:41 | rangi | well, my feeling is that its probably too late now, i mean 10 days past freeze .. theres not much point having one, if it isnt a freeze |
| 20:41 | cait | :( |
| 20:41 | rangi | we could just call it |
| 20:41 | cait | it already missed so mny releases |
| 20:41 | rangi | a slight chill in the air |
| 20:41 | cait: thats not a good reason | |
| 20:41 | cait | I know |
| 20:42 | but it's frustrating | |
| 20:42 | especially because it went through qa on time | |
| 20:42 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Anyone have time to help me with a report? (Yet again...) |
| 20:43 | rangi | cait: id rather the frustration, than pushing features after the freeze, and it's catalyst work so i feel that frustration |
| 20:43 | jcamins | YoungPublicLibrarian: if it's the same report, I don't have any new ideas, so can't help. If it's a different one, I'll try. |
| 20:43 | YoungPublicLibrarian | different one. posting it now |
| 20:44 | pastebot | "YoungPublicLibrarian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Circ Charges" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/204 |
| 20:45 | jcamins | That looks -- from a quick glance -- like it should work. |
| 20:45 | Wait, no. | |
| 20:45 | s.type is not part of the group clause. | |
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| 20:45 | YoungPublicLibrarian | I'm trying to mash features from two different reports together...and I think I did something wrong... |
| 20:46 | jcamins | Yes. Tell me in words what you want. |
| 20:49 | YoungPublicLibrarian | I want the report to give me the collection code (such as 000-099, YA Fiction, etc...), the charge type (such as renewal or Charge), and the number of charges |
| 20:50 | jcamins | The only two types of activities you're tracking are renewals and issues. |
| 20:50 | Change the GROUP BY line to "GROUP BY authorised_values.lib, s.type" | |
| 20:50 | wahanui | jcamins: that doesn't look right |
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| 20:50 | jcamins | Sorry, wahanui. |
| 20:50 | wahanui | jcamins: i'm not following you... |
| 20:53 | cait | rangi: do you still happen to have the mobile interface somewhere? |
| 20:53 | or does someone have a screenshot for me I could use? | |
| 20:53 | rangi | i can have |
| 20:53 | 2 secs | |
| 20:54 | http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/ | |
| 20:55 | cait | thx :) rangi++ |
| 20:56 | YoungPublicLibrarian | brb...sorry got busy |
| 21:00 | cait | jcamins: do you happen to have a screenshot of both plugins working? :) |
| 21:00 | jcamins | cait: no, you'd need a very particular set of data to get suggestions from both. |
| 21:00 | I will see if I can think of an example. | |
| 21:01 | (that will pull up suggestions from both on my data) | |
| 21:01 | cait | thx |
| 21:01 | jcamins | I need to think of key words that will only pull up *two* authorities. |
| 21:02 | You know what's awesome? | |
| 21:02 | Drag-and-drop configuration reordering. | |
| 21:04 | cait | hehe |
| 21:04 | yes | |
| 21:04 | yes it is | |
| 21:04 | did this make it in? | |
| 21:05 | I am featuring a lot of your developments in my presentaton as highlights for 3.10 | |
| 21:05 | I notice | |
| 21:05 | the authorities work | |
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| 21:06 | jcamins | cait: http://screencast.com/t/YLsLi1XU |
| 21:06 | cait: it did. | |
| 21:06 | And it is beautiful, if I say so myself. | |
| 21:11 | SJeffery | When autobarcode is enabled and the staff member clicks add and duplicate it duplicates the old barcode along with the other fields. When autobarcode is NOT used it does NOT duplicate the barcode along with the other fields. Is this a bug or a feature (I have learned to ask this!)? |
| 21:11 | cait | ok |
| 21:11 | I got the mobile theme | |
| 21:11 | and the authorities work | |
| 21:11 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 21:11 | Project Koha_master build #863: FIXED in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/863/ | |
| 21:11 | cait | I need a third big highlight of 3.10 for my sneak peak :) |
| 21:11 | jcamins | SJeffery: that is a very good question. |
| 21:12 | cait | rangi++ for fixing jenkins and jcamins++ for the screenshot :) |
| 21:12 | SJeffery | cait: Do the authorities a second time because it is so awesome:) |
| 21:13 | jcamins | cait: lemme see what the old release notes generator says. |
| 21:13 | cait | jcamins: thx!! |
| 21:14 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Whew...that was a bit of a rush. Jcamins: Your idea did not work... |
| 21:14 | jcamins | It says "oh my, that's a lot of bugs." |
| 21:15 | Quote-of-the-day? | |
| 21:15 | Ooh! | |
| 21:15 | Database export! | |
| 21:15 | rangi | reports? |
| 21:15 | wahanui | reports are done by each library, and you can configure it |
| 21:15 | rangi | the reports json thingy? |
| 21:15 | jcamins | Yes! |
| 21:15 | Reports! | |
| 21:15 | wahanui | reports are done by each library, and you can configure it |
| 21:15 | jcamins | :D |
| 21:16 | mtj | slighty off-topic, but... i dont have a problem with koyauni's idea to set up a google-group for koha |
| 21:16 | YoungPublicLibrarian | I'll post what the report is now... |
| 21:16 | jcamins | mtj: as long as it's interfaced to the mailing list, because the chance of me following something additional is... nil. |
| 21:16 | mtj | … i just just hope he doesn't expect everyone to switch to it, after hes set it up |
| 21:16 | eythian | mtj: though, you end up splitting the people. I'd never follow a forum, I've tried and I always forget. |
| 21:16 | cait | hm the json thingy is really really cool but a bit hard to ban on a screenshot |
| 21:17 | jcamins | cait: oh yeah? |
| 21:17 | pastebot | "YoungPublicLibrarian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Circ Charges" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/205 |
| 21:17 | jcamins | Where's my super awesome screenshot of report JSON? |
| 21:17 | cait | good queston - where is it? :) |
| 21:17 | jcamins | Looking. |
| 21:17 | rambutan | is there a script running on #koha to disconnect idle users? |
| 21:18 | jcamins | cait: http://www.screencast.com/user[…]ac53-60998e715f22 |
| 21:18 | rambutan: nope. | |
| 21:18 | cait | jcamins: could you paste me the output of the feature list somewhere? :) |
| 21:18 | jcamins | cait: unfortunately, it's a video not a screenshot. |
| 21:18 | cait | hm waiting for it to load :) |
| 21:19 | mtj | but hey… there are currently *many* Koha google-groups - all dead, and filled with spam |
| 21:19 | YoungPublicLibrarian | So...any other ideas to make that report ^^ work? Thanks! |
| 21:20 | mtj | many brave travellers have travelled to google-land before koyami, and failed... |
| 21:20 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "cait: list of enhancements (warning: long)" (155 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/206 |
| 21:20 | cait | community++ jcamins++ :) thx all for helping me :) |
| 21:21 | wow | |
| 21:21 | windows is so annyoing | |
| 21:21 | jcamins | YoungPublicLibrarian: you have an extra ", items i" in your report. |
| 21:21 | cait | when i try to open that link, I see the list for a second and then it forwards me to a yahoo(???) search |
| 21:22 | grr | |
| 21:23 | jcamins | cait: switch browsers? |
| 21:23 | eythian | cait: why are you running windows? Are you still at work? |
| 21:23 | cait | no, working with powerpoint |
| 21:23 | eythian | oh. That's your first mistake :) |
| 21:23 | cait | I know. |
| 21:23 | jcamins | cait: http://pastebin.com/tx5GzEmX |
| 21:23 | cait | thx again |
| 21:24 | eythian | http://nl.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Presentaties <-- that's what I use (I'm sure this is close enough to your moon language to decipher) |
| 21:24 | YoungPublicLibrarian | looks like that solved it. Thanks so much Jcamins!!! I greatly appreciate it! |
| 21:25 | cait | eythian: I am not going to learn that tonight :) |
| 21:25 | jcamins: the video won't load :( | |
| 21:25 | you know if it requires some plugin? | |
| 21:25 | jcamins | YoungPublicLibrarian: glad I could help. |
| 21:25 | cait | I never use windows.... so I might be missing one |
| 21:25 | jcamins | cait: probably it does on Windows. |
| 21:26 | As far as I know it's just HTML5 under real (and other fake-) OSes. | |
| 21:26 | eythian | heh, beamer has a theme called "Berlin", I didn't know that. |
| 21:26 | jcamins | :P |
| 21:26 | eythian | actually, I think it's written by a german guy, so the german docs are probably quite good. |
| 21:27 | SJeffery | jcamins: Bug 5706 - Can you update it given your authority work in 3.10? At a minimum I think #4 is covered by your work. |
| 21:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5706 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Search, create lists and Export authorities from staff interface |
| 21:28 | * jcamins | uses the javascript presentation thingy that rangi introduced him to. |
| 21:28 | jcamins | SJeffery: sure thing. |
| 21:28 | cait | I use the bsz presentation thingy |
| 21:28 | jcamins: could you check which format your browsers says the video is? right click or something? | |
| 21:28 | If it shows what I think it shows... | |
| 21:29 | jcamins | cait: there's a Flash version. |
| 21:29 | cait | ok |
| 21:29 | looking for flash then , thx! | |
| 21:32 | it won't lad and it doesn't give any errors | |
| 21:32 | how totally unhelpful | |
| 21:33 | jcamins | :( |
| 21:33 | rangi: do you have any screenshots of the work the students did? | |
| 21:34 | rangi | nope |
| 21:35 | bbiab | |
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| 21:39 | mib_u2nixk | How do I generate a report of items that have been removed from our catalog including title, author, ISBN number? |
| 21:40 | cait | look for the tables deleted_items, deleted_biblios etc. |
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| 21:41 | mib_u2nixk | In the reports section? |
| 21:41 | jcamins | reports library? |
| 21:41 | wahanui | reports library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library |
| 21:41 | jcamins | ^^ you might find a report that already does what you need there. |
| 21:42 | mib_u2nixk | Okay, thanks! |
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| 21:56 | cait | good night all :) |
| 21:56 | eythian | bye |
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| 22:11 | rangi | back |
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| 22:25 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #189 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 23:03 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #189: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/189/ |
| 23:03 | robin: Bug 7642 - [3.8.x] fix the lost display of tag sizes | |
| 23:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7642 minor, P5 - low, ---, stacey, Pushed to Stable , The number that appears when hovering over a tag in the tag cloud isn't the number of items with that tag |
| 23:04 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #190 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 23:17 | wajasu | ok. i'm availbe to test tonight. any suggested bugs? |
| 23:19 | mtj | wajasu, http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]e=Needs%20Signoff |
| 23:20 | bugs that are 'needs signoff', and are not 'enhancements' | |
| 23:21 | thats the best place to start, i think | |
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| 23:41 | wajasu | ok. 25 non-enhancements |
| 23:42 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #190: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/190/ |
| 23:42 | * Paul Poulain: Bug 7642 follow-up fix POD | |
| 23:42 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 7642: Fixing typo | |
| 23:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7642 minor, P5 - low, ---, stacey, Pushed to Stable , The number that appears when hovering over a tag in the tag cloud isn't the number of items with that tag |
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