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00:00 | eythian | purldoc Modern::Perl |
00:00 | wahanui | 'Modern::Perl' isn't a good purldoc search string. |
00:00 | eythian | hmm |
00:02 | purldoc all | |
00:03 | * eythian | gives up |
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03:02 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
03:31 | eythian | @later tell druthb apparently unicorn can't do XML for the charges report. Text parsing it is. |
03:31 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
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04:25 | bartsimpson | hi |
04:25 | wahanui | hola, bartsimpson |
04:25 | rangi | http://www.paciellogroup.com/b[…]a-landmark-roles/ |
04:49 | mtompset | You have to love errors which aren't even in the modules/programs listed in error log message. |
05:02 | jcamins_away | mtompset: the two calls are equivalent, except that your proposal would mangle any arguments that are passed in. |
05:02 | mtompset | :: mangles. |
05:02 | That's what I tracked down my unexplainable error last night. | |
05:03 | I'm just about to double check it. | |
05:03 | Because I changed line 1797 of Circulation.pm | |
05:04 | To hopefully solve my renewal error log entry. | |
05:04 | rangi | :: most certainly does not mangle |
05:04 | mtompset | Then why am I getting an error log entry when I renew? |
05:05 | And why did my warns log otherwise? | |
05:05 | rangi | no idea but its not caused by that |
05:05 | eythian | well, differences between :: and -> can be confusing if you're not expecing them |
05:06 | mtompset | And frankly, if there is a use statement... why not just leave the blah::blah part off? |
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05:06 | eythian | because things aren't always imported into your scope |
05:06 | rangi | mtompset: did you read the bug report? |
05:06 | eythian | in fact, generally it's better they aren't |
05:06 | rangi | the problem is that precisely that it isnt in scope |
05:07 | by fixing it in one place, ron discovered it needs to be fixed in another too | |
05:09 | mtompset | Well, changing :: to -> on line 1797 of Circulation.pm, my error log entry went away. |
05:09 | rangi | it will |
05:10 | because the first argument is now $self | |
05:10 | mtompset | Exactly. |
05:10 | rangi | so you will be trying to do SELECT itemnumber FROM items WHERE items.barcode=SOME PERL OBJECT |
05:10 | not right | |
05:10 | instead of barcode | |
05:11 | my ($barcode) = @_; | |
05:11 | see | |
05:11 | it will quieten your warn | |
05:11 | because it always has a value | |
05:11 | its just always wrong | |
05:11 | jcamins_away | It might be ... WHERE items.barcode='C4::Whatever' |
05:12 | Depends if it's instantiated. | |
05:12 | But definitely wrong either way. | |
05:12 | rangi | true, it wont be an actual object, there is no bless/new |
05:12 | mtompset | Right... it wasn't the same problem as what I was encountering. Okay. My bad. |
05:12 | rangi | but yeah, wont be a barcode ever |
05:14 | mtompset | Keeping scoping and context in mind is a messy thing if you aren't careful! |
05:14 | rangi | yup |
05:17 | mtompset | Have any bug reports covered fixing line 1797 of Circulation.pm? I always have a hard time searching for duplicates. |
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05:33 | cait | good morning #koha |
05:34 | eythian | hi cait |
05:34 | cait | hi eythian |
05:34 | mtompset | Greetings, cait. |
05:34 | By the way, thanks for the enlightenment, rangi jcamins_away and eythian. | |
05:42 | * magnuse | waves |
05:58 | mtompset | Greetings, magnuse. |
06:00 | magnuse | hiya mtompset |
06:00 | wassup? | |
06:00 | mtompset | Just looking to see if my recent bug discovery exists in 3.8.x and master now. :) |
06:01 | * magnuse | cheers mtompset on |
06:01 | mtompset | I'm not sure if it would even co-relate with debarring users on return. |
06:02 | But it is in a routine with a name that sounds like it could. :) | |
06:02 | magnuse | your patrons are getting debarred when they return something? |
06:02 | mtompset | not that I know of. |
06:02 | magnuse | ah |
06:02 | mtompset | Sometimes communication isn't flowing as much as I'd like. |
06:03 | magnuse | i misunderstood you then :-) |
06:03 | mtompset | I'm working remotely. :) |
06:03 | No, you probably understood me. | |
06:03 | I just don't know if it is related or not. | |
06:03 | sub _debar_user_on_return | |
06:03 | sounds like it could be though. | |
06:04 | Yes, 1797 in 3.8.x | |
06:06 | (that's the line number in Circulation.pm) | |
06:07 | Yes, 1984 in master. | |
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06:08 | magnuse | danielg++ for the newsletter |
06:08 | @seen danielg | |
06:09 | huginn | magnuse: danielg was last seen in #koha 1 year, 45 weeks, 3 days, 11 hours, 38 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <danielg> lucky you! i'm in day 11. longest cold i've ever had |
06:09 | mtompset | wow! |
06:09 | bug 8834 | |
06:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8834 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Call to C4::Context::preference fails to pass $self in Circulation.pm |
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06:24 | magnuse | mtompset: you have of course seen bug 8251? |
06:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin |
06:24 | mtompset | Yes, which is why I mentioned users debarred. |
06:24 | The patch will likely mess up mine. ;) | |
06:25 | magnuse | ok, just checking ;-) |
06:25 | mtompset | I'll put a comment on 8251, seeing as bug 5335 messed up a tiny patch I did (making it obsolete) |
06:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5335 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , More granular VAT |
06:36 | alex_a | bonjour |
06:36 | wahanui | hola, alex_a |
06:37 | mtompset | Actually... based on the comments... I think 8251 already is through on 3.8.x and master, magnuse. |
06:37 | so my bug 8834 should be good to go. | |
06:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8834 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Call to C4::Context::preference fails to pass $self in Circulation.pm |
06:38 | mtompset | bonjour, alex_a |
06:39 | alex_a | bonjour mtompset |
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06:40 | reiveune | hello |
06:40 | wahanui | bonjour, reiveune |
06:43 | mtompset | Greetings, reiveune. |
06:44 | Anyone have a plakified system set up? | |
06:44 | magnuse | huh, i can't save a new circulation and fine rule in 3.8.5? |
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06:45 | marcelr | hello #koha |
06:45 | mtompset | Greetings, marcelr |
06:46 | marcelr | hi mtompset |
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07:00 | julian_m | hello |
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07:08 | mtompset | okay, this is weird. |
07:08 | I just blew away all my branches except one. | |
07:09 | I did a git reset --hard origin/3.8.x | |
07:09 | then a git pull | |
07:09 | twice. | |
07:09 | but when I check out a new branch... it lists a whole bunch of files! | |
07:09 | (not being tracked) | |
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07:11 | * Oak | waves |
07:11 | mtompset | Greetings, Oak! |
07:11 | Oak | hello mtompset :) |
07:11 | magnuse | |
07:12 | mtompset | Ah... nevermind... I forgot origin/ DOH! |
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07:14 | magnuse | Oak! |
07:17 | mtompset | Nope... even with origin/3.8.x ... *sigh* I don't even know about bug 4248 is about, let alone touching that file. |
07:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4248 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, colin.campbell, RESOLVED FIXED, Cities Town Pull Down Missing Zip |
07:17 | mtompset | I mean 4246. |
07:17 | bug 4246 | |
07:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4246 enhancement, P4, ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Master , Koha support for Itiva Talking Tech phone notification service |
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07:26 | kf | good morning #koha |
07:26 | dcook++ | |
07:29 | mtompset | I'm just going to ignore all these untracked files on 3.8.x, because I can't see how any of those were caused by me. |
07:30 | kf, what did dcook do? | |
07:30 | Good morning, kf. :) | |
07:31 | kf | nice comments in bugzilla |
07:31 | and meh for 8832 | |
07:31 | bug 5335 is guilty I think | |
07:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5335 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , More granular VAT |
07:34 | kf | adn good morning mtompset |
07:34 | sorry, still a bit slow this mornign | |
07:40 | mtompset | That's okay. We all have slow days. |
07:40 | I did make a comment on 8832. ;) | |
07:40 | marcelr | @later tell jcamins any patch already on its way for Did you mean: HASH(0x3ee0ef8) ? |
07:40 | magnuse | gah, 93 bugs need signoff, and no time for testing... |
07:40 | huginn | marcelr: The operation succeeded. |
07:41 | kf | marcelr: he fixed it various times |
07:41 | marcelr | ok still comes up in master now |
07:41 | kf | marcelr: yeah, it kinda kept creeping back in mysteriously |
07:47 | marcelr: tried finding it - but jcamins_away will know | |
07:47 | marcelr | thx will ask |
07:47 | kf | sorry for being confusing :) |
07:48 | drojf | good morning #koha |
07:49 | kf | morning drojf |
07:50 | drojf | hi kf :) |
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07:53 | marcelr | hi drojf |
07:53 | drojf | hey marcelr :) |
08:17 | mtompset | magnuse, 94? ;) |
08:19 | That last one... is bug 8826. ;) | |
08:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8826 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Initialization of hash triggers error log entries. |
08:21 | magnuse | mtompset: better go sign off some other bug then :-) |
08:21 | mtompset | I've never signed off... so I don't know how. :) |
08:22 | Ignorance is bliss. :) | |
08:22 | Not to mention, I have more bugs to get up there. | |
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08:54 | mtompset | One would never think that a single variable has so much code to follow to make sure you haven't changed the behaviour. |
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08:54 | mveron | Hi #Koha |
08:56 | mtompset | Greetings, mveron |
08:57 | marcelr | hallo mveron |
08:57 | * mveron | waves to mtompset and marcelr |
08:58 | * mtompset | grumbles about borrowernumber. |
09:00 | drojf | hi mveron and mtompset |
09:01 | * mveron | waves to drojf |
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09:03 | mtompset | Greetings, drojf. |
09:03 | Hmmm... can we get a wave started in alphabetic userid order? ;) | |
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09:04 | mib_8fx8n5 | dear sir i cant get my login page in koha |
09:07 | drojf | um. thanks for letting us know i guess? … kids these days have such a short attention span. |
09:07 | slef | mib_8fx8n5: that's nice, dear. |
09:07 | drojf | slef: high five ;) |
09:08 | mtompset | you guys. |
09:08 | slef | drojf: five alive? |
09:08 | mtompset | At least they weren't here when you said that. |
09:10 | drojf | mtompset: that's the point. why come here, state something like that and leave in a minute? |
09:10 | mtompset | True. That was sort of counter productive. |
09:11 | slef | Looked like 3 minutes to me, to be fair. |
09:12 | But 3 minutes before I opened IRC, so meh | |
09:13 | drojf | 1:37 according to the timestamps here |
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09:22 | drojf | is it fair to assume that 2 hours would be enough to install koha (packages on debian) with a group of people (including some without any linux experience)? installing debian would not be a part of the experience, a VM would be provided to people that don't have a debian system ready. |
09:28 | don't tell me you are not spending your weekends installing koha with newbies for fun? :P | |
09:31 | mtompset | I'd give 3, depending on how many people. |
09:32 | drojf | mtompset: yes, i was thinking if 2 sounds somewhat reasonable, i would actually take 3 to be on the safe side. |
09:33 | mtompset | 4 if they have data to bring. ;) |
09:33 | drojf | heh migration is out of the scope of that session ;) |
09:36 | mtompset | good idea. ;) |
09:37 | what vm software? | |
09:48 | * mveron | added PDF with screenshots regarding usage of Age restriction to Bug 7621 (Questions about it on IRC yesterday) |
09:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories |
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09:55 | aksahy | hi |
09:55 | wahanui | hi, aksahy |
09:56 | aksahy | Can anyone tell me the current numbers of Koha users in india |
09:59 | magnuse | short answer: no |
10:08 | drojf | 1:13 from question to quit. short attention span seems to be contagious |
10:09 | mtompset: vm would be virtualbox i guess, it's not too complicated and the free (gpl) part would be enough for koha | |
10:09 | mtompset | Yes, it does. |
10:18 | Yes, it should be. | |
10:19 | Seems that oleonard noticed the error log entries I was looking into today. bug 8777 | |
10:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8777 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Quiet errors in circulation.pl |
10:23 | mtompset | I'd sign up for the bugs list, but it's so active! |
10:25 | Oh, and drojf ... VirtualBox only does bridged adapter well over a wired connection. | |
10:25 | I purposefully set my VMs with a bridged adapter, a NAT adapter, and a Host-Only adapter. | |
10:27 | drojf | mtompset: i had problems with bridged adapter and the wifi in edinburgh so that is something i would have to look into before |
10:28 | mtompset | That is a reason I intentionally do all three. |
10:28 | If the bridged adapter isn't working, the NAT should get my internet access. | |
10:28 | If the bridged adapter isn't working, the Host-Only should let me browse to my VM. | |
10:31 | I was rather pleased with Debian in that the combination of NAT and Host-Only worked as expect. | |
10:32 | Under Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, it did not. | |
10:32 | Ubuntu 12.04, it does. | |
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10:58 | mtompset | Have a good day (24 hour period), #koha. |
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11:24 | * magnuse | waves at nengard |
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11:29 | nengard | hiya magnuse!!! |
11:29 | magnuse | yay! |
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11:57 | kf | nengard: I agree with you - we have to fix the taxes |
11:57 | nengard | :) |
11:57 | kf | nengard: I think kicking out the new behaviour would be best |
11:57 | nengard | agreed |
11:57 | why replace free text with a pull down? | |
11:57 | I don't understand | |
11:57 | kf | and then if we want that, do a well thought out patch that fixes older installations too |
11:57 | to normalize the values maybe? | |
11:58 | could have used an authorized value too | |
11:58 | I think the problem you had was that you have to enter it decimal | |
11:58 | 0.12 for 12% | |
11:59 | and 0.07 for 7 - I guess then the pull down would be correct | |
11:59 | but I am worried about where we are using the default value right now with this change | |
12:05 | nengard | yeah |
12:05 | okay, I'm going to update the original patch and say we should revert it | |
12:05 | kf | I left a comment for paul |
12:05 | maybe give them a chance to fix? | |
12:06 | nengard | too late ? but if they can fix it great |
12:06 | seems like a lot before the feature freeze to fix | |
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12:12 | kf | we are already in the feature freeze |
12:12 | but I think fixing the pull down should not be such a big problem | |
12:12 | I am not sure in which other places the new behaviour got introduced - maybe worth a investigation | |
12:14 | nengard | it's not just a pull down - it's also showing up when it shouldn't show up, but we'll see what the others say |
12:15 | mtompset | What do you mean showing up when it shouldn't? |
12:15 | kf | nengard: I agree, it might have to get reverted |
12:16 | but I would like to get an opinino from the developer - maybe its really something that slipped in from another development by accident | |
12:16 | I think I read documentation about that somewhere (the change in the pref) but obviously not on this bug :( | |
12:16 | nengard | mtompset the tax rate fields didn't show if you had gist set to 0 for those who don't charge tax |
12:16 | now it's more fields to scroll through to get an order in | |
12:16 | kf | nengard: that is indeed another bad problem :( |
12:17 | oh | |
12:17 | maybe not | |
12:17 | have you tried to leave it empty? | |
12:17 | default 0 is a different meaning than an empty field I think | |
12:17 | mtompset | That is true. |
12:17 | nengard | no, it used to be that 0 disabled it - so when people get upgraded they'll have 0 in there |
12:17 | kf | that got chnaged a while ago I think - because you couldn't have 0% as default |
12:17 | nengard | but i'll try to emptyit |
12:18 | kf | yes, but that caused problems if you wanted 0 to be the default, I think I remember a change to empty for disabling it |
12:18 | mtompset | And the one that you want to be the default, put first. ;) |
12:18 | nengard | blank in the pref still has the field there |
12:19 | mtompset | shoot... they used a define($var) check. |
12:19 | instead of just $var./ | |
12:19 | mtj | nengard, yeah, a dropdown for a percentage field is silly |
12:19 | nengard | right |
12:20 | mtompset | well, it has some merit. |
12:20 | Prevent's typos. | |
12:20 | nengard | why not let us type whatever we want in there |
12:20 | kf | because you might make typos - I think it depends on coutnry again |
12:20 | here there are only a few valid values you would encounter | |
12:20 | mtompset | dropdowns are great for preventing typos. |
12:20 | mtj | mtompset, theres a better way to do prevent typos |
12:21 | mtompset | field validation on the syspref? :) |
12:22 | mtj | no, validation on a text field |
12:22 | mtompset | They could have built the dropdown based on a distinct select of values already entered. |
12:22 | kf | this patch had 4 sign offs |
12:22 | and noone noticed it :( | |
12:22 | mtompset | Well, was there a testing plan? |
12:22 | kf | so noone tried to change the tax rate on a vendor page |
12:22 | mtompset | I think it lacked one. |
12:22 | kf | mtompset: it's a big patch, there were notes on the wiki |
12:23 | and a testing plan can almost never be everything you test as a tester | |
12:23 | becauset hen you will only test what the developer has thought about | |
12:23 | and that's exactly the problem | |
12:23 | you have to find what he/she forgot | |
12:23 | testing plans are good, but it's not enough | |
12:25 | especially for changes like this that are central to a whole module | |
12:25 | mtj | actually, i havent looked at the patch, so i withdraw my comments :/ |
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12:27 | kf | mtj: actually I think it would be good if someone from nz tested this |
12:27 | mtj | and.. switching from a drowndown to a text field, could be a simple follow-up patch |
12:27 | kf | mtj: I think laws/taxes are different? |
12:27 | mtompset | Actually, having the patch is a good idea... |
12:28 | mtj | … rather than asking for a complete revert of this patch |
12:28 | mtompset | Think about how you might order from different states/provinces. |
12:28 | kf | mtj: I think I wondered once that hlt doesn't seem to have to pay the tax? but I might remember wrong and I am not sure it's a general thing |
12:28 | mtj | lol , drowndown?! :) |
12:28 | kf | and I am probably not making much sense today :) |
12:30 | mtj | kf, acqui is an area of koha i dont have much real-world experience in :/ |
12:31 | kf | mtj: I understand you :( |
12:31 | it's a difficult thing | |
12:32 | mtj | … but HLT would have some good NZ-specific opinions on any problems the feature might have |
12:32 | mtompset | Greetings, jcamins. :) |
12:32 | kf | mtj: I think probably easiest is to wait now |
12:32 | mtj: and see what paul and jonathan say to the problem | |
12:32 | if it gets reverted all discussion is moot | |
12:32 | * mtompset | smirks and begins to hum, "You can't hurry love. No, just have to wait." |
12:33 | mtj | akaict, the dropdown thing is an 'productivity annoyance', and nothing more? |
12:33 | mtompset | kf, but if it gets reverted, perhaps the problem on a forward basis will still need solving. |
12:35 | Well, let's say we had it still just 0 or a number.... | |
12:35 | kf | yeah, but then we will have lots of time to do something about the specs |
12:35 | mtompset | How would I enter a different value if nothing showed up for the default of 0? |
12:35 | kf | I am all for making this consistent |
12:35 | which at the moement it isn't i think (all the tax formulas used in the different places) | |
12:36 | but we have to get it right :( | |
12:36 | all things involving money are bad if they go wrong | |
12:36 | really bad | |
12:36 | * mtompset | nods, "You don't mess up something related to money!" |
12:37 | kf | the problem is, that it's already messed up a bit |
12:38 | mtompset | Actually, wouldn't adding a syspref other than gist for the list be better? |
12:38 | Then gist would just be required to be one of the values on the list. | |
12:39 | And everything would behave as before, because gist is untouched. :) | |
12:39 | But that would allow for extending the vat form stuffs to be smart about the gist or list. | |
12:40 | That way the first value of the list doesn't have to be default, because that's an annoying requirement. | |
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12:42 | mtompset | Greetings, tcohen. |
12:42 | tcohen | hi mtompset |
12:42 | jcamins | tcohen: I pushed my apt repo config. |
12:43 | @later tell marcelr Yes, the follow-up on 8209 fixes the HASH(0xwhatever). | |
12:43 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
12:43 | tcohen | hi jcamins, i'll check it, thanks |
12:45 | magnuse | jcamins: pushed it where? |
12:45 | jcamins | magnuse: release-tools. |
12:45 | magnuse | ah |
12:45 | jcamins | Well, my release-tools repo. https://github.com/jcamins/release-tools |
12:47 | magnuse | jcamins++ |
12:47 | * magnuse | will have a look when time permits |
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12:53 | mtj | after talking to kf more, i might have to withdrawn my comments on 5335 |
12:53 | … its tricky than i assumed | |
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13:44 | kf | jcamins++ |
13:44 | magnuse: I got the vacation :) | |
13:45 | magnuse | w00t! |
13:46 | jcamins | Vacation? Lucky you! |
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13:57 | tcohen | is debian squeeze multi-arch? |
13:58 | does anyone have a fresh amd64 debian squeeze to test something? | |
13:58 | (wont hurt :-D) | |
14:02 | kf | jcamins: 3 weeks :) |
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14:04 | nengard | mveron++ |
14:04 | I now understand the age restriction preference and can document it :) | |
14:05 | mveron | :-) |
14:05 | kf | mveron++ :) |
14:05 | mveron | koha ++ |
14:07 | magnuse | mveron++ |
14:08 | khall around? have you thought any more about submitting the code for rotating collaections that you mention here? http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=7144#c26 | |
14:08 | huginn | 04Bug 7144: enhancement, P1 - high, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Floating collection |
14:09 | magnuse | and just for the record: collaections are collections of books and other materials in gaelic |
14:09 | khall | magnuse: it's in Koha, but for some reason it was hidden |
14:09 | magnuse | oh? |
14:09 | khall | look at C4/RotatingCollections.pm |
14:10 | Commit 6b88131f80d9841aa6a0df35a4ad881f041beb22 hides them, with no explanation why. | |
14:11 | nengard | mveron I might have a follow up page to make the preference a little bit easier to understand |
14:12 | kf | khall: there were security issues I remember |
14:12 | mveron | nengard: That's fine - as long the feature will be in the next release :-) |
14:12 | kf | khall: the pages were accessible without authentication |
14:12 | and it was only a short time before a big release | |
14:13 | khall | is there a bug number or anything? I'd be more than happy to take care of it. |
14:13 | kf | I think it#s probably in the chat logs somewhere why it was done |
14:13 | nengard | mveron the feature is there! Just a string change on my part if that gets a sign off |
14:13 | kf | khall: I think that has been fixed since, there might be more I don't remember - I am sorry |
14:13 | mveron | nengard: Go ahead :-) |
14:13 | kf | maybe look in the chat logs for rotating collections? |
14:13 | * mveron | is called for having coffee... |
14:14 | wizzyrea | oh me I want coffee |
14:14 | and good morning | |
14:14 | good <time of day> | |
14:14 | mtompset | Greetings, wizzyrea. |
14:14 | mtj was going to message you or email you. | |
14:15 | * magnuse | searches the logs |
14:15 | wizzyrea | he did :) |
14:16 | all taken care of | |
14:16 | khall | bug 6653 |
14:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6653 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, [security] Rotating collections pages can be accessed without being logged in |
14:18 | magnuse | that seems to have fixed the issue with non-loged in access |
14:20 | accessing /cgi-bin/koha/rotating_collections/rotatingCollections.pl seems to work | |
14:21 | khall | I think it would good to resurrect the Rotating Collections and give it a test. |
14:22 | there is some code in returns.pl that needs to be uncommented | |
14:22 | at the very bottom | |
14:23 | maybe that code needs to be moved into AddReturn | |
14:28 | magnuse | heh, now might be the worst possible time to ressurect it, since we are past the feature freeze date, and this seems to touch some core functionality... |
14:28 | i'll create a bug for it, at least | |
14:31 | khall | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8836 |
14:31 | huginn | 04Bug 8836: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Resurrect Rotating Collections |
14:31 | khall | sorry, beat you too it : ) |
14:31 | magnuse | ah, great! |
14:31 | less work for me :-) | |
14:31 | khall | we can still work on it, we just can't expect it to be pushed for a bit. |
14:32 | magnuse | yup |
14:32 | libsysguy | just like DBIx::Class ;) |
14:33 | magnuse | just imagine how cool 3.12 will be when we get there :-) |
14:33 | libsysguy | there does seem to be a lot of cool stuff on the horizon for 3.12 |
14:33 | deployment handler | |
14:33 | khall | yes, it's going to be pretty awesome |
14:34 | deployment handler++ | |
14:34 | magnuse | um, what's a deployment handler? |
14:34 | kf | I hope we can streamline workfslows a bit more too |
14:34 | less lost kittens | |
14:35 | yeah, what's a deployment handler? :) | |
14:35 | khall | http://search.cpan.org/~frew/D[…]loymentHandler.pm |
14:35 | * magnuse | reveals his utter ignorance |
14:35 | libsysguy | magnuse it'll make a sandwich out of updatedatabase.pl |
14:35 | khall | it's a great db versioning system |
14:35 | magnuse | ooh, tasty! |
14:35 | ah, yes, i think i had a glance at that a while back | |
14:35 | khall | not only can it handle upgrades, but downgrades too. And you can generate files for any database |
14:35 | magnuse | cool! |
14:35 | w00t! | |
14:35 | khall | mysql, postgres, even sqlite! |
14:35 | libsysguy | all thanks to DBIx::Class |
14:36 | khall | I think I'll try running Koha on sqlite. We'll see how that goes : ) |
14:36 | * jcamins | prefers DBIx::Class::Versioned. |
14:36 | libsysguy | so bug 8798 needs some QA love |
14:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8798 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Signed Off , Add the use of DBIx::Class |
14:36 | kf | jcamins: I have heard rangi talking about this |
14:37 | khall | DBIx::Class::DeploymentHandler is a much more powerful alternative to this module. Examples of things it can do that this module cannot do include |
14:37 | Downgrades in addition to upgrades | |
14:37 | Multiple sql files files per upgrade/downgrade/install | |
14:37 | Perl scripts allowed for upgrade/downgrade/install | |
14:37 | Just one set of files needed for upgrade, unlike this module where one might need to generate factorial(scalar @versions) | |
14:37 | jcamins | kf: yes, we are in agreement. |
14:37 | libsysguy | jcamins isn't that the one that was deprecated in favor of deployment handler |
14:37 | or what khall pasted | |
14:37 | jcamins | libsysguy: possibly, but until we support mod_perl, Moose is not acceptable as a core dependency. |
14:37 | Support mod_perl *easily*. | |
14:38 | khall | jcamins: why is that? |
14:38 | jcamins | CGI or mod_perl is a requirement, and Moose makes CGI a non-starter. |
14:38 | khall: several second load times before our code starts running. | |
14:38 | magnuse | so DBIx::Class::DeploymentHandler is built on Moose? |
14:39 | jcamins | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=7417#c23 |
14:39 | huginn | 04Bug 7417: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches |
14:39 | jcamins | Right. |
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14:40 | libsysguy | yeah Moose is required in DBIx::Class::DeploymentHandler::Dad |
14:41 | brb | |
14:43 | * magnuse | admits he isn't up to date on everything and wonders how far along the road to persistence (mod_perl, plack etc) we are |
14:43 | jcamins | magnuse: we're getting there on Plack, but Plack requires additional configuration that mod_perl does not. |
14:43 | khall | when did IndependantBranches start preventing one library from issuing items to a patron from a different library? |
14:44 | jcamins | khall: I thought that's what it always did? |
14:44 | khall | apparently not, at least I have a library system that is saying so. |
14:44 | kf | khall: I think reservesfromotherbranches and some additional configuration might be needed |
14:45 | magnuse | jcamins: ah, thanks |
14:46 | khall | kf: is that a system pref? I'm not seeing it |
14:50 | kf | it used to be |
14:50 | reservefromotherbranches? | |
14:50 | something similar | |
14:50 | worked with indybranches to enable holds | |
14:50 | but it might be there is a new feature here now | |
14:50 | maybe check the code around the checkin? | |
14:52 | * wizzyrea | thinks that the users of independent branches should get together and make it work how they want it |
14:52 | wizzyrea | because no one else uses it that way so it never gets tested properly |
14:57 | * jcamins | thinks they'd never agree. |
14:57 | khall | I agree. It seem like independantbranches needs to be a set of preferences, rather than a single one. |
14:58 | kf: The relevent code is in C4::Members::Search, it basically is just an automatic search filter for the logged in branchcode when IndependantBranches is enabled. | |
14:58 | wizzyrea | yea, exactly, it needs to be a section of preferences |
14:59 | khall | if I comment it out, I can issue items to a patron without being able to edit them. |
14:59 | magnuse | @quote 123? |
14:59 | huginn | magnuse: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
14:59 | jcamins | @quote get 123 |
14:59 | huginn | jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
14:59 | khall | so I dont' see a reason why we couldn't add this as a system preference |
14:59 | wizzyrea | khall: it should be, I think. as long as the default is the current behavior |
14:59 | behaviour* | |
14:59 | khall | I wouldn't have it any other way ; ) |
15:01 | wizzyrea | :) |
15:02 | khall | wizzyrea, would having IndependentBranches defaulting to a full lockdown, with additional prefs to re-enable some features make sense? It would allow us to add new overrides incrementally while not altering its essential behavior. |
15:02 | IndependantBranchesAllowIssuing | |
15:02 | wizzyrea | well here's a problem - do we know what it's essential behavior is supposed to be/ |
15:03 | khall | by that, I just mean the way it behaves now. |
15:03 | or I would just copy the value of IndependantBranches into IndependantBranchesAllowIssuing during the DB upgrade | |
15:03 | wizzyrea | i'm almost certain there's no consensus as to what the essential behaviour should be lol |
15:04 | khall | I'd call it IndependantBranchesPreventIssuing |
15:04 | wizzyrea | so yes, it makes complete sense to granularize it |
15:05 | khall | ok, I think I have good starting plan now |
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15:19 | slef | tcohen: errr, dselect works for me. |
15:19 | tcohen: (koha-devel posting) I think you have updates pending. | |
15:19 | tcohen: I think you also had apache2 installed already? | |
15:20 | tcohen | slef, none of them |
15:20 | my setup might be busted | |
15:20 | slef | tcohen: have you tried running "dselect" to see what it's doing? |
15:20 | tcohen | but everything is updated, and apache2 was removed prior |
15:21 | what should i do after starting dselect? | |
15:22 | are you on 12.04 amd64 too? | |
15:22 | slef | tcohen: I'm also puzzled by the :i386 bit, because I don't ever get that (amd64) |
15:22 | 10.04 amd64 because that was the closest server handy | |
15:22 | after starting dselect, look in Select | |
15:23 | tcohen | what do this produce for you?: echo "apache2 install" | dpkg --set-selections ; dselect install |
15:25 | slef | sorry phone |
15:28 | Reading package lists... Done | |
15:28 | Building dependency tree | |
15:28 | Reading state information... Done | |
15:28 | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed and 0 to remove. | |
15:29 | mtompset | ... I know my setup is busted... our hosting provider provides our repos. |
15:29 | reiveune | bye |
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15:31 | slef | bbl, got to vote |
15:33 | ah just saw https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubu[…]e/apt/+bug/879324 which I think might be what tcohen suffers? | |
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15:36 | mtompset | Perhaps a disabling of multiarch would solve the problem then? |
15:41 | tcohen | I think that apt bug is correct, and matches my diagnostic of dselect install method for dependencies being broken |
15:42 | is debian 6 multi-arch by default? | |
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15:46 | mtompset | Wheezy is next, right? |
15:46 | So, currently not fully? | |
15:47 | http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch\ | |
15:47 | Sorry for the extra \. Enter is so close. :( | |
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15:55 | nengard | anyone remember a bug where a search for author doesn't show the checkboxes in the staff client? |
15:55 | I thought I reported such a bug but can't find it | |
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16:05 | nengard | found it bug 8686 |
16:05 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8686 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, REOPENED , author search in staff missing checkboxes and menu |
16:05 | kf | crazy day - bye all |
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16:13 | drojf | woah, seems like the mailing list is working again ;) |
16:20 | * mtompset | waves bye. |
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17:47 | talljoy1 | rebooting. |
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18:02 | nengard | is there documentation anywhere about the searchengine preference? I assume you need to do more than flip the switch to change search engines - I'm working on the manual for 3.10 and want to make it clear to the average user what needs to be done |
18:03 | cait | nengard: have you seen my example on the bug? |
18:03 | talking about bug 8523 | |
18:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8523 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Authority hierarchies only support UNIMARC |
18:04 | nengard | there is no bug number on the db update ? this is why I wrote that email to the Dev list ? I need bug numbers!! |
18:04 | cait | in $w goes h or g for wider or narrower |
18:04 | nengard | oh! |
18:04 | cait I saw your screenshot | |
18:04 | cait | I don't know about the search engine pref - but you can find the bug number from hte updatedatabase history |
18:04 | jcamins_away | @query solr |
18:04 | cait | look at comment 19 |
18:04 | huginn | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7260 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , User should be able to determine the number of search results per page (OPAC) |
18:04 | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7174 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Authentication rewriting | |
18:04 | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7013 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, adrien.saurat, In Discussion , required format is not enforced for authorized values | |
18:04 | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8623 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories | |
18:04 | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup | |
18:04 | jcamins_away | @query without breakign |
18:05 | huginn | jcamins_away: No results for "without breakign." |
18:05 | jcamins_away | @query without breaking |
18:05 | nengard | cait yes, I see that example, but I kind of need one in English for the English manual |
18:05 | huginn | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8233 major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else |
18:05 | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7453 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Borrower without expiry date breaks opac login | |
18:05 | jcamins_away | Bug 8233. |
18:05 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8233 major, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else |
18:05 | cait | nengard: I know :) but just copy it with america - kansas - lawrence or something? |
18:05 | and the $w are important | |
18:05 | jcamins_away | nengard: if you link the authorities using the plugin and selecting broader/narrower as appropriate, it will just work. |
18:05 | cait | they indicate if it's a link upwards or downwrads |
18:05 | jcamins_away | Without the $w set, there's no hierarchy. Just related terms. |
18:05 | cait | oh |
18:06 | nengard | jcamins I did use the plugin to select |
18:06 | cait | or use the plugin and the nice pulldown |
18:06 | nengard | and i reindexed |
18:06 | what nice pull down? | |
18:06 | off to look | |
18:06 | cait | if you open the plugin, the last field on the search form |
18:06 | jcamins_away | The one for setting the $w. |
18:06 | cait | at the bottom of the search form and before the result list |
18:06 | jcamins_away | Well, no, it's the authority control plugin, which has a box for setting the $w. |
18:07 | It doesn't actually say "$w," now that I think about it. It says "relationship type." | |
18:07 | You can also just add 'g' and 'h' to the $ws. | |
18:07 | (directly) | |
18:07 | The "relationship type" dropdown doesn't do anything special, it just saves time. | |
18:08 | (at the beginning... not so much time saving after you've already done the authority control, obviously) | |
18:09 | nengard | BINGO |
18:09 | it was the $w | |
18:09 | I needed it to be g (or h i guess) | |
18:10 | jcamins_away | Yup. g is broader, h is narrower. |
18:10 | nengard | what would you consider psuedonyms (spell?) to be |
18:10 | just out of curiousity | |
18:10 | jcamins_away | They're just see also under. |
18:10 | No need for a $w. | |
18:10 | nengard | and so no link |
18:10 | jcamins_away | There's a link, but no hierarchy. |
18:10 | nengard | hency my problem with the example i attached |
18:11 | right | |
18:11 | that's what i mean | |
18:11 | cait | sorry was in the kitchen - spilling little pieces of green herb everywhere :( |
18:11 | jcamins_away | Unless you are using a pseudonym that is not considered to have independent literary warrant, in which case it would be a 4xx, and there wouldn't be a link because it would be a "see from." |
18:12 | (you don't need to note that in the manual, just clarifying my earlier blanket statement) | |
18:14 | nengard | jcamins - did you mean - I set the preferences and then did a reindex and I'm getting 'Did you mean: HASH(0x4508468)' |
18:14 | jcamins_away | nengard: yes, there's a patch on bug 8209. |
18:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8209 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities |
18:14 | nengard | oh okay |
18:14 | won't document that yet then | |
18:14 | jcamins_away | Good plan. ;) |
18:14 | nengard | also there is no bug number on that db update either ? just fyi |
18:14 | jcamins_away | Yes, we discussed doing this a few days ago. |
18:15 | It hasn't been part of standard practice to put bug numbers in DB updates. | |
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18:19 | nengard | it was at one time cause there always were bug numbers, but anyway, that's why so many questions from me lately |
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19:34 | mveron | What is the table 'browser' for? See http://schema.koha-community.o[…]bles/browser.html |
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19:42 | rangi | Morning |
19:43 | trea | kia ora rangi |
19:43 | bag | morning rangi |
19:43 | how's the conference? | |
19:43 | wizzyrea | mornin rangi |
19:44 | cait | hi bag |
19:44 | hi rangi | |
19:44 | bag | heya cait |
19:46 | rangi | Conference was good |
19:50 | Koha got a big shout out from Marshall | |
19:51 | cait | :) |
19:59 | drojf | good evening #koha |
20:01 | bag | oh nice a shout out from marshall :) |
20:02 | drojf | rangi: what conference? |
20:03 | rangi | Lianza the big nz one |
20:06 | About 700 people I think | |
20:06 | drojf | and talks with "what the hell" in the title, excellent :) |
20:07 | rangi | Yep from a koha library of course |
20:07 | drojf | lol |
20:07 | rangi | Paul is cool |
20:09 | Ok my stop | |
20:09 | This afternoon Karen schneider is talking with us | |
20:11 | drojf | i already like her for the name of her blog, freerangelibrarian :) |
20:11 | cait | mveron: a classification browser for the opac |
20:11 | mveron: the opaccloud feature you suggested to be deleted ;) | |
20:12 | mveron | cait: Thanks for the information :-) |
20:12 | cait | I know how I stared at it last time |
20:13 | when I had to documnt the tables for the data privacy documents | |
20:13 | drojf | you had to document all tables for data privacy? |
20:14 | cait | for the documents yes, don't aswk |
20:14 | it was a bit traumatic | |
20:15 | drojf | omg |
20:15 | i can imagine that | |
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20:20 | mveron | Good night #koha :-) |
20:21 | rangi | back |
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20:32 | libsysguy | wajasu I thought I'd let you know I have been able to seriously weed whack my calendar code with DBIx::Class |
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21:07 | rangi | hey Space_Librarian |
21:07 | wahanui | well, Space_Librarian is a Koha poet or the sweetest lil lady you'll ever know |
21:10 | Space_Librarian | ola rangi |
21:10 | ready for the hoards to descend later? | |
21:11 | rangi | yep, pretty much |
21:11 | Space_Librarian | we're looking forward to it. |
21:12 | rangi | yay :) |
21:12 | it will be pretty informal | |
21:12 | Space_Librarian | which is why we're looking forward to it. |
21:13 | I'm looking forward to the meringue war with ibeardslee | |
21:14 | * rangi | kills a spammer |
21:15 | Space_Librarian | die spammer die! |
21:19 | drojf | ah, that spammer |
21:25 | libsysguy | can anybody else verify that DateTime::Format::Duration is only available in SID for Debian |
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21:25 | cait | morning kathryn :) |
21:26 | kathryn | Hi cait :) |
21:28 | * Space_Librarian | passes cait chocolate. |
21:28 | cait | hi Space_Librarian - and thx :) |
21:33 | Space_Librarian | np cait :) |
21:33 | mtj | libsysguy -> http://packages.debian.org/whe[…]mat-duration-perl |
21:35 | libsysguy | so just for wheezy mtj |
21:35 | i think its unstable on squeeze | |
21:35 | mtj | [ wheezy ] [ sid ] |
21:35 | ||
21:36 | libsysguy | AH |
22:01 | rangi | http://schema.koha-community.org/ updated |
22:01 | libsysguy | w00t |
22:01 | rangi++ | |
22:03 | Space_Librarian | rangi++ |
22:07 | cait | rangi++ |
22:17 | bag | ah 145 tables seems better :) |
22:18 | wajasu | libsysguy: sweet |
22:19 | eythian | hi |
22:20 | wajasu | rangi++ |
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