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| 00:47 | drojfx | wow. that ubuntu packages install article is slightly longer than the one for debian |
| 00:53 | * drojfx | watches the tumbleweed |
| 01:10 | wajasu | drojfx: i need to build a small box to deploy in a remote place in ethiopia to run some software to manage doctor patient records, so that the doctor doesn't waste his time looking for paper records, and can see patients. |
| 01:10 | got any suggestions for hardware? | |
| 01:13 | drojfx | what os does the software need? |
| 01:14 | wajasu | i was going to use linux. |
| 01:15 | i also found this https://www.google.com/search?[…]&client=firefox-a | |
| 01:15 | to maybe rsync backups of the patient records. | |
| 01:16 | in case the little server and probably laptops for clients get stolen, etc. | |
| 01:17 | i am researching what kind of power they have, but just started looking into this. | |
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| 01:18 | eythian | we've recommended laptops for servers in that kind of environment, just because they have a built in UPS |
| 01:19 | wajasu | your are probably right. |
| 01:19 | i might put koha on it when i deploy it :) | |
| 01:19 | drojfx | depending on power supply i would agree with that |
| 01:20 | you should ;) | |
| 01:20 | * Waylon | stands westernstyle, fingers above a ping command, chewing code, he nods to drojf.. "You feeling lucky?" |
| 01:20 | drojfx | lol |
| 01:20 | * Waylon | watches the tumbleweed go past. |
| 01:21 | wajasu | thx |
| 01:22 | drojfx | wajasu: i have not played enough with solar panels but that would probably only be an option if power supply is very bad |
| 01:22 | needs too much extra stuff too | |
| 01:23 | Waylon | raspberry pi? |
| 01:23 | wahanui | Raspberry Pi embedded computers run Koha just fine. :) See http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_a_Raspberry_Pi |
| 01:23 | drojfx | and a tiny computer |
| 01:23 | like that one :D but the requirement of a tv does not help i suppose | |
| 01:24 | Waylon | requirement? it supports VGA doesn't it? |
| 01:24 | drojfx | no |
| 01:24 | Waylon | huh? |
| 01:24 | drojfx | hdmi or composite |
| 01:24 | Waylon | wow. |
| 01:25 | no lowpower lcd's for hdmi? | |
| 01:25 | drojfx | i'd like to use it with some e-ink display, like a kindle |
| 01:26 | Waylon | hmmm. |
| 01:26 | kindle wifi? | |
| 01:27 | wajasu | thats sounds doable. |
| 01:27 | drojfx | i have not really looked into this. i think dpavlin_ is a kindle hacker he will figure it out ;) |
| 01:27 | Waylon | so.. kindle wifi's for clients, raspberry pi centreal server? |
| 01:28 | drojfx | Waylon: yay. i have my raspi provide wifi via a usb dongle |
| 01:29 | Waylon | sounds like it could work then. |
| 01:29 | drojfx | so you really only need some wifi client. |
| 01:29 | Waylon | would rasberry pi survive on solar? |
| 01:30 | drojfx | with the koha mobile css, a cheap smartphone |
| 01:30 | sure, depends on the size of the panel and battery | |
| 01:31 | Waylon | hmm... cheap smartphones cost more (unless on contract) than a wifi only android. |
| 01:31 | drojfx | my charge controller does not provide enough mA unfortunately, i've been trying to get it solarized |
| 01:31 | Waylon | at least in nz. |
| 01:32 | drojfx | yes that may be. dx.com might have something cheap |
| 01:34 | Waylon | of course, what about constructing your own wifi client? only needs to be text based? Contact Hackaday.com.. see if anyone has any ideas. |
| 01:34 | wajasu | i am wondering if this is ready: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJInXp0ijNw |
| 01:34 | Waylon | you might find some genius with time on their hands. |
| 01:38 | drojfx | or it could beep morse code instead of a display |
| 01:39 | wajasu | dit -dot -dit -dot -dot => thats part of my marc leader header |
| 01:39 | drojfx | lol |
| 01:41 | Waylon | haha |
| 01:41 | no, it would have to be alphanumeric display. 80x25? | |
| 01:42 | what about the photosized lcd's? | |
| 01:42 | those battery powered photoframes | |
| 01:42 | Very hackable, apparently one even runs linux. | |
| 01:42 | drojfx | seems like i might be doing a koha installation night at a workshop. open end, sleep at the location. that would be cool, i hope there are people interested and brave enough |
| 01:43 | Waylon | sounds like fun, drojf... ah pity its not in nz. |
| 01:44 | drojfx | i have such a dpf (photo frame), have not gotten it to work really. too much things to play, too little time |
| 01:44 | wajasu | i think i |
| 01:45 | Waylon | right |
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| 01:49 | Cybermon | hi all. |
| 01:51 | wajasu | maybe we can run koha on this interface. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v[…]s&feature=related |
| 01:52 | Cybermon | I could not printout barcode on 3.8.2 version. what is problem ? |
| 01:53 | drojfx | lol wajasu that would be awesome |
| 01:53 | Waylon | scarryy.. |
| 01:53 | wajasu | It would reply with jcamins, Did you mean ...? |
| 01:54 | Waylon | and sounds like its using a compressor for movement? |
| 01:56 | drojfx | meh 4am. i'l try that sleep thing again |
| 02:13 | Waylon | hmm... new preference design : Search patron branch(es) security: All libraries / Just patrons' home library (others may be searched) / Only patrons' home library and other assigned libraries (if any) can be searched (Other assigned libraries only accessable by logged-in users. Home library set via virtualhost branch option) |
| 02:13 | that good? | |
| 02:13 | oops | |
| 02:13 | add on at end (... option, if not logged in) | |
| 02:14 | this is basically an extension of the SearchMyLibraryFirst concept. | |
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| 02:46 | eythian | @later tell druthb got any advice for getting circ info out of unicorn? (perhaps similar to symphony) |
| 02:46 | huginn` | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
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| 03:48 | Waylon | ... oh god.... do i have to edit the .po files.. all of them.. when i change SearchMyLibraryFirst to SearchableBranches? |
| 03:48 | and ccsr templates? | |
| 03:48 | and prog/en templates? | |
| 03:48 | eythian | I'm not sure what your change is |
| 03:51 | Waylon | new preference design, for allowing a completely secure homebranch only/multiple -explicitly assigned branches- only search : Search patron branch(es) security: All libraries / Just patrons' home library (others may be searched) / Only patrons' home library and other assigned libraries (if any) can be searched (Other assigned libraries only accessable by logged-in users. Home library set via virtualhost branch option) |
| 03:51 | add on at end, if not logged in. | |
| 03:52 | eythian | typically you just change the .tt files that will have to look different. |
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| 04:33 | Waylon | new preference design, for allowing a completely secure homebranch only/multiple -explicitly assigned branches- only search : Search patron branch(es) security: All libraries / Just patrons' home library (others may be searched) / Only patrons' home library and other assigned libraries (if any) can be searched (Other assigned libraries only accessable by logged-in users. Home library set via virtualhost branch option, if not logged-in) |
| 04:34 | the middle option, Just ..or better named Prefer home library, is equivilent to SearchMyLibraryFirst | |
| 04:35 | since this requires changes to templates, will i need to edit both ccsr and prog/en? or just let other people manage the change on ccsr? | |
| 04:35 | also, do i need to do any po changes? | |
| 04:37 | eythian | I don't know about ccsr, but if you need to make changes to the UI, then you need to make changes to prog. |
| 04:37 | Not the .po files however. | |
| 04:39 | Waylon | right |
| 04:39 | so pretty easy for a developer then. cool. | |
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| 04:44 | eythian | yeah |
| 04:47 | Waylon | who is ccsr anyway? |
| 04:47 | why are they in the template set? | |
| 04:49 | eythian | dunno |
| 04:49 | I wonder if it's the mobile theme | |
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| 05:48 | cait | morning |
| 05:48 | * magnuse | waves |
| 05:49 | eythian | hiya |
| 05:49 | magnuse | hiya eythian |
| 05:50 | * magnuse | will do dist-upgrade in ~12 hours |
| 05:50 | eythian | cool |
| 05:53 | magnuse | hm, zebra is definitely what has been eating up my swap space |
| 05:53 | restart all the zebras and swap is freed up | |
| 05:54 | eythian | I tend to use top to see what's doing that |
| 05:54 | run top, then press 'M' to sort by memory | |
| 05:55 | magnuse | yeah, i tried that but it didn't really tell me much |
| 05:56 | maybe because there are lots of small zebras? | |
| 05:57 | eythian | I guess it could be. |
| 05:57 | There are things that will tell you more, but it's at that point I usually consult a real sysadmin. | |
| 05:57 | And go do what I'm supposed to be doing | |
| 05:58 | magnuse | hehe |
| 05:59 | that's probably what i ought to do too, but i don't have a real sysadmin on hand... | |
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| 06:07 | magnuse | kia ora libsysguy |
| 06:11 | cait | hi eythian too :) |
| 06:11 | eythian | hello cait |
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| 06:22 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:31 | eythian | http://goo.gl/maps/FJCwD |
| 06:34 | magnuse | eythian: site of a future kohacon? :-) |
| 06:35 | cait | :) |
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| 06:38 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:46 | julian_m | hello |
| 06:46 | wahanui | privet, julian_m |
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| 07:01 | francharb | hello |
| 07:01 | wahanui | hello, francharb |
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| 07:01 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 07:23 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
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| 07:35 | mtompset | Greetings, libsysguy and julian_m. |
| 07:51 | WaqarAzeem | hello! can anyone point me to some artical that how can i introduce my new keyboard (sindhi language) layout in koha (might be using css) |
| 07:52 | mtompset | Are you thinking of doing a translation? |
| 07:54 | Your keyboard layout is usually a function of your operating system, not an application. | |
| 07:56 | mtj | WaqarAzeem, ask the question on the koha mailing-list - some people have done this already |
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| 08:01 | kf | hi #koha |
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| 08:07 | mtj | WaqarAzeem, aaah no sindhi, but hindi :/ -> https://developers.google.com/[…]oard/v1/reference |
| 08:07 | WaqarAzeem | thanks! |
| 08:08 | mtj | no probs :) |
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| 08:34 | mtompset | After trying to get 3.8.x onto Ubuntu 10.04... I figure I may just change the Ubuntu page to say the latest LTS or later is supported. Seem reasonable, mtj? |
| 08:36 | Greetings, #kf. Sorry for the delayed greeting. :) | |
| 08:36 | mtj | mtompset -> K.I.S.S |
| 08:37 | mtompset | Less is more. ;) |
| 08:37 | mtj | yep, and that one too ;) |
| 08:39 | mtompset | Do you have a working plak setup? |
| 08:40 | kf | hi mtompset, hi mtj |
| 08:41 | mtompset | The reason I ask is the bug I just entered: bug 8826 |
| 08:41 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8826 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Initialization of hash triggers error log entries. |
| 08:42 | mtompset | should put the patch up anyways, even if I didn't test for a plakified system? |
| 08:43 | * mtompset | is glad to know about git blame/git show. "It really helps track down related bug reports." |
| 08:45 | mtj | mtompset, hmm, no working plack koha at the mo |
| 08:45 | … and hi #koha | |
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| 08:48 | slef | mtompset: I doubt it was intentional to drop support for lucid BICBW. |
| 08:48 | mtompset: certainly, when I suggested that we should only document, rather than make sure we include last two debian stable and last two ubuntu LTS, it felt like I was outnumbered. | |
| 08:49 | mtompset: the DateTime thing is a bit irritating, as it's fairly simple to cast back to a string when needed. | |
| 08:54 | mtompset | Actually, there are three missing. |
| 08:54 | (not the right numbers) | |
| 08:55 | slef | mtj: did you mean Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 19:54:32 +1200 Message-id: <1348646072-20608-1-git-send-email-mtjkohaaloha.com> ? It looks odd |
| 08:55 | ||
| 08:58 | mtj | hmm, more info? slef |
| 08:59 | mtompset | DateTime, DateTime::TimeZone, and Template. |
| 08:59 | jcamins_away said that he was using the downgraded Template without issues. | |
| 08:59 | mtj | slef, did you want mtj , or mtompset ? |
| 09:00 | mtompset | I'm thinking you, mtj. |
| 09:01 | mtj | ah yep, sorry - just spotted that... |
| 09:03 | slef, hmm the email looks…… ok-ish to me? :/ | |
| 09:03 | http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/017403.html | |
| 09:03 | … what am i missing here? | |
| 09:05 | slef | mtj: probably I am missing something. What does adding "xxxxxxxxxxx" achieve? |
| 09:05 | mtj | well, apart from patch contents being gibbersh |
| 09:05 | slef | right... that's what had me confused |
| 09:05 | mtj | as the title says …'git bz test' |
| 09:06 | slef | and I couldn't see how that patch tested git bz at all... it doesn't even make a file in t/ ! |
| 09:06 | ;-) | |
| 09:06 | time for more coffee | |
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| 09:07 | slef | mtompset: any idea where DateTime::TimeZone bites? |
| 09:07 | mtompset | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8780 |
| 09:08 | huginn` | 04Bug 8780: major, P1 - high, ---, mtompset, Passed QA , Lower dependency version for DateTime::TimeZone |
| 09:08 | mtompset | Reading the change logs anything lower may be problem? |
| 09:09 | change logs for the library, that is. | |
| 09:09 | wahanui | mtompset: that doesn't look right |
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| 09:09 | mtompset | that |
| 09:09 | that is | |
| 09:09 | that i. | |
| 09:09 | that is. | |
| 09:09 | slef | that? |
| 09:09 | mtompset | Okay, whatever. |
| 09:09 | wahanui | whatever is most appropriate for the situation. |
| 09:09 | mtompset | wahanui: forget whatever |
| 09:09 | wahanui | mtompset: I forgot whatever |
| 09:10 | mtompset | hey |
| 09:10 | slef | wahanui: the NO? |
| 09:10 | wahanui | i don't know, slef |
| 09:10 | mtompset | anyways... I think the lowered DateTime::TimeZone will solve that problem. |
| 09:10 | slef | wahanui: the reason? |
| 09:10 | wahanui | i guess the reason is i want to relearn about koha 3.2 |
| 09:10 | * mtompset | laughs. |
| 09:10 | mtompset | 3.2? |
| 09:10 | wahanui | 3.2 is a stable version and is not supposed to have entering a lot of new syspref |
| 09:11 | slef | wahanui: the reason mtompset asks? |
| 09:11 | wahanui | no idea, slef |
| 09:11 | slef | wahanui: the script? |
| 09:11 | wahanui | rumour has it the script is pretty non-OS specific |
| 09:11 | mtompset | bots are crazy |
| 09:11 | bots? | |
| 09:11 | wahanui | bots are listed at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars |
| 09:11 | slef | wahanui: clyiie's koha? |
| 09:11 | wahanui | slef: no idea |
| 09:12 | slef | wahanui: google's dns resolver? |
| 09:12 | wahanui | i guess google's dns resolver is 8.8.8.8 for example |
| 09:12 | mtompset | Who is clyiie? |
| 09:12 | slef | clyiie was 202.1.168.144 (ca01a890ircip2.mibbit.com) |
| 09:13 | mtompset | is that the same person ask maxine2012? |
| 09:13 | (or whoever that was yesterday) | |
| 09:14 | slef | maxie2012 |
| 09:14 | no idea | |
| 09:14 | mtj | slef, re: git-bz testing -> http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/038099.html |
| 09:14 | slef | ca2adb72ircip2.mibbit |
| 09:15 | so no, different hash | |
| 09:15 | mtj: read that. Still didn't connect the dots... | |
| 09:16 | mtj: could you get mlist from the repo config or the command-line, rather than hardcoding a koha-specific? | |
| 09:18 | mtj | yes, and there is a bunch of extra feature-creep around the patch |
| 09:19 | i thought i'd start with something basic and functional - and add features if people were positive toward the patch | |
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| 09:21 | mtj | patches welcome, etc... |
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| 09:40 | drojf | @later tell wajasu http://www.cstick.com/content.[…]-takes-pre-orders |
| 09:40 | huginn` | drojf: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:53 | magnuse | huh, norway? |
| 09:53 | wahanui | i heard norway was beautiful |
| 09:53 | magnuse | yay! |
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| 10:15 | mtompset | but the cotton candy sticks are more expensive that the raspberry pi's. |
| 10:19 | magnuse | you bet, if there is a norwegian company behind them ;-) |
| 10:20 | mtompset | I was reading this article in PC Buyer's Guide here in the Philippines about linux on a stick kind of machines. |
| 10:20 | http://pcbuyersguide.com.ph/ar[…]php?page=26&id=80 | |
| 10:22 | I thought the Rikomagic MK802 looked interesting. | |
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| 10:54 | magnuse | yay, all the bachelor students at the library education in oslo now have their own personal koha installations that they use during their training (based on the packages, of couse :-) |
| 10:58 | drojf | koha_studies++ :) |
| 11:01 | mtompset: the price is ridiculous, i had not seen it | |
| 11:02 | you could have a cluster of 5 raspberry pi for that money :D | |
| 11:02 | or 6 even | |
| 11:02 | mtompset | Yes, $199 is crazy... That's why the mk802 looks better. ;) |
| 11:14 | slef | 2012-09-26 11:49:38 1TGRrd-0006gs-DV daddy-mx.katipo.co.nz [202.50.109.196] Connection refused |
| 11:15 | anyone else able to email kohalists.katipo at the mo? |
|
| 11:15 | that's been happening since 2012-09-25 10:55:39 1TGRrd-0006gs-DV daddy-mx.katipo.co.nz [202.50.109.196] Connection refused | |
| 11:15 | so more than a day now | |
| 11:18 | drojf | last email i see on the main list is almost 2 days old so i suppose it's not working for anybody |
| 11:20 | slef: i could send one of these "test" emails that everybody loves if you like | |
| 11:20 | mtompset | Okay... I was wondering if I could get some debugging help. |
| 11:20 | This error message makes no sense. | |
| 11:20 | [Wed Sep 26 14:03:50 2012] [error] [client 192.168.100.2] [Wed Sep 26 14:03:50 2012] renewscript.pl: Use of uninitialized value in lc at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 529. | |
| 11:21 | Obviously something in renewscript is calling a function in Context.pm, right? | |
| 11:21 | C4::Context->preference("ReturnToShelvingCart") | |
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| 11:22 | mtompset | Is that the correct way to call it? |
| 11:22 | drojf | seems like my network does not like me |
| 11:22 | slef | drojf: or it's detecting you sending test emails? ;-) |
| 11:22 | drojf: could you try to telnet daddy-mx.katipo.co.nz 25 # and see if it connects? | |
| 11:23 | mtompset: is that the call in renewscript.pl? | |
| 11:24 | mtompset | Yes. |
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| 11:24 | mtompset | it's part of an if check. |
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| 11:25 | mtompset | is it supposed to be -> and not ::? |
| 11:25 | duh... nevermind that was a dumb question. | |
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| 11:25 | mtompset | Yes it is supposed to be -> since otherwise it would think it is a library. |
| 11:25 | slef | mtompset: are you sure that's the line? It's like you've called it without a parameter. |
| 11:26 | mtompset | if ( C4::Context->preference("ReturnToShelvingCart") ) { |
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| 11:26 | mtompset | That is just one line with the call,. |
| 11:26 | drojf | slef: connection refused |
| 11:26 | mtompset | if ( C4::Context->preference("InProcessingToShelvingCart") ) { |
| 11:26 | That's the other... both have a string defined. | |
| 11:26 | slef | drojf: yikes. |
| 11:26 | mtompset | I get connection timeout./ |
| 11:26 | slef | mtj: are you still up? |
| 11:27 | mtompset | I tried from a VM in Sinapore, and my VM on my local machine. |
| 11:27 | slef | Anyone got a contact at katipo? |
| 11:27 | mtompset | NZ is at 11:27PM. |
| 11:27 | isn't it? | |
| 11:27 | Not likely anyone is there. | |
| 11:27 | slef | katipo.co.nz mail is handled by 10 mx1.katipo.co.nz |
| 11:28 | drojf | we could just move to that nice new webforum :P |
| 11:28 | slef | drojf: lists.koha-community.org is still up |
| 11:28 | * mtompset | gives drojf the evil eye. |
| 11:28 | slef | mtompset: yeah something like that, which is why personal contact would be better, if we can guess who might be awake |
| 11:29 | mtompset | If they are awake, don't they love us enough to be here? ;) |
| 11:29 | slef | irc.katipo.co.nz doesn't exist |
| 11:29 | not everyone is as lovely as the co-op and y'all ;-) | |
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| 11:30 | drojf | i wonder if this is supposed to be a joke |
| 11:30 | i mean my wifi | |
| 11:31 | * slef | picks a random off of http://katipo.co.nz/contact.html |
| 11:31 | slef | ah |
| 11:31 | sijobl: could you fix lists.katipo.co.nz please? | |
| 11:32 | @later tell sijobl could you fix lists.katipo.co.nz please? | |
| 11:32 | huginn` | slef: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:32 | slef | idle since 12 sep, but hey ho |
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| 11:37 | drojf | %&§/(/& wifi |
| 11:37 | back with a cable now | |
| 11:38 | why thank you, guy living in the appartment over mine, hammering noises are exactly what i was pondering regarding my headache. | |
| 11:38 | * drojf | hates this day |
| 11:39 | jcamins_away | mtj: could you please merge in my changes to git-bz? |
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| 11:40 | mtompset | Does blah::blah->new() get called if blah::blah->foo() is called? |
| 11:41 | jcamins_away | Of course not. |
| 11:41 | mtompset | just checking... |
| 11:42 | I'm trying to figure out why lc(shift) is generating an error log entry if a string is passed. | |
| 11:43 | I'm assuming C4::Context->preference("blah") would pass a self reference as a the first parameter. | |
| 11:43 | jcamins_away | Yes. |
| 11:44 | In that case, it's a string, I think. | |
| 11:44 | mtompset | This error just makes no sense then. |
| 11:45 | Perhaps I should look at the referer page for ideas? | |
| 11:46 | jcamins_away | Maybe. |
| 11:49 | drojf | mtompset: there are a number of checks in the koha on ubuntu / packages wikipage. is it safe to assume that if i have a fresh installation of ubuntu 12.04 (and koha with packages on top), i don't have to check for these things? (like locale, sax parser, mysql encoding etc) |
| 11:50 | jcamins_away | drojf: it is, yes. |
| 11:51 | packages? | |
| 11:51 | wahanui | i heard packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 11:51 | jcamins_away | ^^ those are the instructions you should follow |
| 11:52 | drojf | if that is enough it's perfect. i might do an installation session and i was wondering whether to restrict it to debian or allow ubuntu too |
| 11:53 | jcamins_away | Yes. mtompset will be revising the Ubuntu instructions to make it clear that they are only for installing from the tarball. |
| 11:53 | drojf | jcamins_away: there is a (longish) version for koha with packages already |
| 11:53 | mtompset | I left them in for safety. |
| 11:54 | drojf | jcamins_away: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ubuntu_-_packages |
| 11:54 | mtompset | The default packages installation doesn't have all that stuff set the way the tarball instructions did. |
| 11:54 | drojf | it's like 3x the text of the debian one. if the debian instructions are enough it's perfect |
| 11:54 | mtompset | Yes, I've split the great wall of text. |
| 11:55 | jcamins_away | I'll remove the parts that are unnecessary. |
| 11:55 | mtompset | It has more example output. |
| 11:56 | jcamins_away | And instructs you to do lots of things that aren't necessary. |
| 11:56 | mtompset | The question which no one has the answer to is... why are those things not done in the packages? |
| 11:56 | They must have had a historical reason. | |
| 11:56 | Why don't they apply now? | |
| 11:57 | jcamins_away | mtompset: the packages handle everything automatically. |
| 11:57 | drojf | i assume because a) with a fresh installation it is alright b) it does not dare to screw up things that you set up for something else |
| 11:58 | mtompset | Fine... I will trim out sections which are likely extra. |
| 11:58 | drojf | oh look i have a ubuntu virtual machine for some reason. seems like trying it is not as far away as i thought |
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| 12:00 | drojf | mtompset: can mediawiki have hidden text with an expand button or something. these test might be useful for someone installing on a machine that is used for other things already, but it's a lot of unneccessary text for everybody just doing a clean installation |
| 12:00 | that was supposed to be a question… can mediawiki have hidden text with an expand button or something? | |
| 12:00 | kf | maybe have an extra page and link to it? |
| 12:00 | troubleshooting | |
| 12:00 | do this... if you run into problems... look here | |
| 12:00 | jcamins_away | That makes sense. |
| 12:00 | mtompset | There... sections cut out. |
| 12:01 | And yes, it is still longer, because I actually attempt to try to explain the pre-web install/web install step better. | |
| 12:01 | Oh, and I have nicer upgrade and uninstall instructions. :P | |
| 12:02 | jcamins_away | Longer is fine. |
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| 12:08 | mtompset | The biggest problem with the instructions is the networking portion involved, because people can't handle lynx. |
| 12:09 | I still use lynx, but tried to explain edit'ing /etc/hosts. | |
| 12:09 | The debian instructions don't even try. | |
| 12:10 | And I can understand why, but it's rather bothersome that we need a web interface to finish the last step. | |
| 12:10 | I was bouncing the idea of a readline front end to a Test::WWW::Mechanize based script off tcohen yesterday. | |
| 12:17 | jcamins_away | If you are installing a server-based application for use over a network, I think it's safe to assume that there is a client somewhere. |
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| 12:19 | drojf | i agree with jcamins_away, how would you not have a browser ready to test a entirely browser-based software? sounds strange to me |
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| 12:24 | mtompset | drojf, because some librarian gets a static ip handed to him by his network admin, and doesn't have the names that he intended to work. |
| 12:24 | but the site is available via ip address. | |
| 12:24 | and then you try to explain how to edit a windows hosts file. | |
| 12:24 | and they can't do it. | |
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| 12:25 | jcamins_away | mtompset: then they need to talk to IT. |
| 12:25 | mtompset | because they just don't understand. |
| 12:25 | That's what I told them to do. | |
| 12:26 | jcamins_away | Just like that bug I closed is not appropriate to bring to the Koha community, even though we might be able to solve it. |
| 12:26 | drojf | i would think that if you have a network admin to hand you an ip address, you have someone to set up a hostfile on your windows machine too |
| 12:27 | mtompset | not when the person is accessing the server via an VPN. |
| 12:27 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 12:27 | mtompset | Bye, gaetan_B |
| 12:27 | bug closed? | |
| 12:27 | oleonard | Bug 8824 |
| 12:27 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8824 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED INVALID, use of windows 7, Firefox V15 and wireless level dns 10.58.2.X versus wired 192.168.x.x |
| 12:27 | jcamins_away | mtompset: and I say in that situation I don't care because any help I try to give them is goin to make them *more* confused. |
| 12:28 | drojf | there may always be some crazy scenario where one person not really capable of something has to do exactly that, but should we cover all that in instructions? then i would vote for one straight version without all that and a verbose one for those in need. having 8 pages of instructions when you only need half of it can really scare people away |
| 12:28 | mtompset | Would it be possible that the packages have both 8080 and namedvirtualhosts working? |
| 12:29 | jcamins_away | mtompset: if you wanted to set it up that way you could. |
| 12:29 | mtompset: you discuss that in your instructions. | |
| 12:30 | mtompset | If someone is doing a tarball, they likely have more computer expertise. |
| 12:30 | Not with packages. | |
| 12:30 | jcamins_away | Yes you do. http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ial_Configuration |
| 12:31 | mtompset | I suppose it is koha-create that generates the apache files? |
| 12:32 | jcamins_away | Yes. |
| 12:33 | mtompset | if you tried to go to library-admin.site.com without the 8080 for an intraport, will it default to the OPAC or use the 8080 virtualhost anyways? |
| 12:33 | jcamins_away | What? |
| 12:33 | You can only access those hosts you configure. Apache isn't magical. | |
| 12:34 | mtompset | Actually, apache is slightly magical. |
| 12:34 | If you access via IP it defaults to the 80 port. | |
| 12:35 | jcamins_away | That's because the web browser uses port 80. Nothing to do with Apache. |
| 12:36 | mtompset | so, if you have 80 OPAC and 8080 Intranet, named according... if you use just the name, will it do OPAC (which doesn't match the name), or will it use Intranet (which doesn't match the port), or will you get 404'd? |
| 12:36 | jcamins_away | It will fall through to the OPAC. |
| 12:36 | *or* whatever the first-configured site on the same port is. | |
| 12:36 | mtompset | Right... first configured site on the same port. |
| 12:39 | So, if I wanted both namedvirtualhosts and 8080 setup. I'd either have to explain to the users how to tweak their apache file. | |
| 12:39 | OR... | |
| 12:39 | modify koha-create to generate a 8080 port regardless. | |
| 12:39 | (which probably wouldn't make it live) | |
| 12:42 | jcamins_away | mtompset: yes, that is correct. But this would be a prime example of something that is not needed in the instructions. |
| 12:42 | tcohen | @later tell paul_p to take a look at bug 8800 for 3.10 as it is a big problem |
| 12:42 | huginn` | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 12:43 | jcamins_away | bug 8800 |
| 12:43 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8800 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour |
| 12:43 | jcamins_away | Ah. |
| 12:45 | tcohen | thanks slef for the data |
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| 12:46 | oleonard | Bug 8827 |
| 12:46 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8827 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , YUI CSS files no longer found on Yahoo servers |
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| 13:03 | tcohen | so, dh-make-perl --build --cpan Koha::Contrib::Tamil does it |
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| 13:18 | tcohen | oleonard, that's almost instant bug fixing |
| 13:20 | * oleonard | loves a good bug in the morning |
| 13:20 | kf | oleonard++ #being awesome |
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| 13:24 | magnuse | yeah oleonard++ |
| 13:26 | oleonard | Thanks guys |
| 13:26 | Barrc | hey all - should DOM and grs-1 filters result in the same index set? That is, suppose I build an index using DOM and a clone using grs-1 - should then results screens be identical in Koha? |
| 13:26 | tcohen | frget about obama or romney, oleonard for president |
| 13:27 | oleonard | Ugh, talk about a job I would not take! |
| 13:27 | I hear presidents don't have time to write patches for Koha | |
| 13:27 | tcohen | hehe |
| 13:28 | drojf | oleonard: i hear none of them has tried yet :P |
| 13:28 | mtompset | If one of them did... would you vote for them? ;) |
| 13:28 | tcohen | what's the difference of cherry-picking and applying a patch? |
| 13:29 | mtompset | I think the latter requires an extra step (creating the patch) |
| 13:30 | oleonard | cherry-picking allows you to pull a commit from the middle of another branch without having a patch |
| 13:30 | tcohen | could cleanly apply my patch for 8800 in 3.8.x but cherry picking worked |
| 13:30 | s/could/couldn't/ | |
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| 13:34 | tcohen | example contrab file. Also said I'll try to provide a patch to fix |
| 13:34 | that. I'm not in denial of what you say. | |
| 13:34 | I belive you take our comments about the problem you encountered too | |
| 13:34 | personal. We've just read your emails, and used what we've seen before | |
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| 13:34 | tcohen | to give you some advise. I cannot speak for the rest of the devs, but |
| 13:34 | I feel that problems the users have challenge my knowledge and I spend | |
| 13:34 | a lot of time trying to solve them and making Koha better for the | |
| 13:34 | non-tech user. It has nothing to do with you or trying to refute your | |
| 13:34 | comments specifically." | |
| 13:34 | mtompset | Oops... ;) |
| 13:34 | drojf | tcohen++ # for trying |
| 13:37 | nengard | can somoene help me understand how to document bug 7621 ? I don't understand what FSK and PEGI are in the examples - are they item types? Collections? Something else completely? |
| 13:37 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories |
| 13:39 | tcohen | oleonard,mtompset: should I provide a patch for 3.8 of bug 8800? Or just let rangi cherry pick it then? |
| 13:39 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8800 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour |
| 13:39 | drojf | nengard: FSK is a rating (from germany), like MPAA rating for movies |
| 13:39 | mtompset | I'd say if it doesn't apply cleanly, make a patch up. |
| 13:40 | Better to err on the side of caution. | |
| 13:40 | oleonard | rangi will usually try to apply the patch for master and will ask for a new one if it doesn't apply |
| 13:40 | nengard | drojf, so I'm entering the rating in the 521a |
| 13:40 | oleonard | ...bit if you know it doesn't apply... |
| 13:40 | nengard | but then what, this confuses me FSK|PEGI|Age| |
| 13:41 | so if my 521$a = PG 13 what do I set the preference to? | |
| 13:41 | tcohen | the patch doesn't apply, but cherry-picking does |
| 13:41 | drojf | nengard: have to read the actual bug shortly |
| 13:41 | nengard | :) |
| 13:41 | tcohen | ok, I'll provide that patch as well |
| 13:41 | mtompset | nengard: there's a wiki for it. |
| 13:41 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Age_restriction | |
| 13:42 | nengard | mtompset sorry that still doesn't help me |
| 13:42 | It does not say if 521 = X then the preference should = Y | |
| 13:42 | I don't understand the link between the two | |
| 13:42 | kf | FSK is an abbreviation for some sort of age limit here - I guess you would have to add one for PG? |
| 13:43 | nengard | and if I don't then those reading the manual won't if I just copy that page to the manual |
| 13:43 | kf - add it where? | |
| 13:44 | What I need is someone to break it down for me as if I had never used Koha or cataloged anything before | |
| 13:44 | mtompset | PEGI is a game rating system, sort of like E, M, T. |
| 13:44 | Can't help with that, sorry. :( | |
| 13:45 | nengard | Right, I don't need to worry too much about the rating systems, I care about how to use the preference and how to document it for the new Koha users |
| 13:47 | kf | hm mveron is not here right now |
| 13:47 | drojf | nengard: i think it's more of a hard age limit based on the actual age of a borrower, matched to 521$1. what i am not sure about is the "AgeRestrictionMarker", is that matched to someting like 521$2 (which i think would mark what system is used)? only using the wiki atm |
| 13:49 | kf | hm, I think you have a | separated list of prefixes you want ti to look for |
| 13:49 | in the column you mapped the agerestriction field to | |
| 13:50 | and then catalog it with prefix <age> in that field | |
| 13:50 | to trigger the warning in circ | |
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| 13:59 | mtompset | Is there a way to show the barcode in the OPAC search results? |
| 13:59 | tcohen | edit your XSLT's |
| 14:01 | the thing is you wil have more than one barcode right? | |
| 14:01 | (you 'might') | |
| 14:02 | jcamins | Barrc: no. |
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| 14:03 | tcohen | oleonard, i've seen recently that some files where 'moved' in the sense that git is aware fo that move thing |
| 14:03 | nengard | kf, that's what it looks like, but I'm not sure I know what to put in the preference ? |
| 14:03 | drojf | nengard: FSK uses just the age (as a number) for rating, like "FSK 12" means it is suitable for people of 12 or more years of age. PEGI does the same. i think the label (fsk, pegi) ist deleted from 521$a and then the rest (the numbers) are used to match to the borrowers age. after checking with LOC, its is 521$b that should have the source (like FSK) but i guss that is not in the scope of your question |
| 14:03 | tcohen | do u know how can one tell git to generate patches that 'move' things around instead of deleting/creating? |
| 14:03 | mtompset | one barcode per item. |
| 14:04 | jcamins | tcohen: git mv. Unfortunately, there's no way I know of to put that in a patch without removing and creating. |
| 14:05 | nengard | drojf, I think I understand how to use the 521 part of this .. just not sure what the preference should look like if the 521 has something like FSK 12 |
| 14:05 | tcohen | but, with the last move of you (or was jquery?) when I git pull it told me some files where moved |
| 14:05 | nengard | Is it maybe all of the prefixes and then the age limit |
| 14:05 | tcohen | s/you/yui/ |
| 14:05 | jcamins | tcohen: yes, it recognizes that. |
| 14:05 | nengard | and how do you put multiple limits |
| 14:06 | tcohen | so, would it be possible to re-organize the koha source tree in a same way without loosing the history of each line? |
| 14:06 | jcamins | tcohen: why would we want to do that? |
| 14:07 | tcohen | sorry, my typing is really bad (at least) today |
| 14:07 | s/same/sane/ | |
| 14:07 | jcamins | Ohhh. |
| 14:07 | Hm. | |
| 14:07 | I'm not sure what directory structure would be sane. | |
| 14:08 | tcohen | src/intranet |
| 14:08 | /opac | |
| 14:08 | /lib | |
| 14:08 | templates/intranet-tmpl | |
| 14:08 | /opac-tmpl | |
| 14:08 | and so on? | |
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| 14:08 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 14:08 | Hm. | |
| 14:08 | Not sure it would be worth it. | |
| 14:08 | tcohen | not sure if its perfect, but at least it makes sense |
| 14:09 | jcamins | It does make more sense. |
| 14:09 | drojf | nengard: i think for using the function of the patch, you would enable it and if 521 matches one of the abbreviations specified in the syspref, the origin (like "FSK" or "PEGI") would be ignored, the bumber part used to check the age limit. in the case of these restrictions, it is not possibe to have more than one. "FSK 12" means from 12 on, "FSK 16" means from 16 on. if it is "FSK 12" it is implied to be "FSK 16" too, there is only one rating in that |
| 14:10 | libsysguy | tcohen perhaps you could do a git mv? |
| 14:10 | so you still retain the history of the file | |
| 14:10 | and the move itself | |
| 14:11 | but i'm not sure what is hardcoded as far as paths go | |
| 14:11 | nengard | So let's say I have a movie with FSK 12 and another with FSK 16 ? I set the prefernece to FSK|16 does that mean that the 12 year olds can take out the FSK 16? |
| 14:11 | libsysguy | and you'd probably have to do a rebuild |
| 14:11 | tcohen | i was thinking about Paul's email, and how complicated are the install scripts in taking *some* files from *some* dirs and putting them together in another dir... |
| 14:11 | nengard | am I making this harder than it has to be? Or do you see my confusion? |
| 14:12 | tcohen | libsysguy, yes that's what I was thinking of addressing |
| 14:12 | I'm not sure if it is worth the trouble | |
| 14:12 | but will give it a try | |
| 14:12 | libsysguy | we'll you'd certainly piss a lot of users off that use git |
| 14:12 | and im not sure how jenkins would behave | |
| 14:13 | tcohen | hmm, git users that have a -dev setup? |
| 14:13 | didn't think about htat | |
| 14:13 | kf | nengard: I think it checks for older than |
| 14:14 | jcamins | tcohen: it's not that complicated if you don't do dumb things like editing the files after they've been installed. |
| 14:14 | kf | nengard: it does not have to be the exact age, only the age it is allowed to or older |
| 14:14 | jcamins | If you do things that are a bad idea, *of course* you're going to run into problems. |
| 14:14 | tcohen | jcamins, i'll try and let you know |
| 14:14 | libsysguy | but users have already been advised against that |
| 14:14 | drojf | nengard: you have one 521 per biblio. when a patron wants to check out an item, it has a 521 (from the biblio) which is checked against the age of that certain patron that wants to borrow the item. at least that is what i think it does |
| 14:15 | kf | drojfI think you are right |
| 14:15 | nengard | Right, that part I get, but if I have two bibs with different levels ?. |
| 14:15 | kf | all the items get checked against one 521 |
| 14:15 | nengard: sorry, I don't understand the problem :( | |
| 14:16 | nengard | In my example I meant if Bib record A has FSK 12 and bib record B has FSK 16 |
| 14:16 | what do I put in the preference as my age restriction? | |
| 14:16 | kf | if you have an item for a bib with FSK 12 - the user has to be 12 or older, if you check out another item from another big with FSK 16 - the user has to be 16 or older |
| 14:16 | FSK | |
| 14:16 | nengard | If I put 16 in there then the 12 year olds can get the item |
| 14:16 | kf | you only give the prefix as I read the example |
| 14:16 | in the pref | |
| 14:16 | nengard | But the preference example says FSK|PEGI|Age |
| 14:16 | what is 'Age' | |
| 14:17 | kf | I think it means that yu could probably only put in 16 thee |
| 14:17 | and it would still work | |
| 14:17 | I can't test as I don#t have master accessible right now - but it should be quick to determine | |
| 14:17 | nengard | would it? do we know if it's using the age in the 521 or the age in the preference? :) |
| 14:17 | kf | it's using the age in the record |
| 14:18 | it would make no sense to have it in the pref :) | |
| 14:18 | not even in switzerland (sorry mveron mbalmer, couldn't resist) | |
| 14:18 | drojf | nengard: yes, it throws away "FSK" or "PEGI" from 521$a and used the age (number) that stays |
| 14:18 | nengard | okay |
| 14:18 | I'll give this a shot and see if I can document this | |
| 14:19 | thanks for all the back and forth kf and drojf - sometimes I need to talk through things | |
| 14:19 | drojf | nengard: try to summon mveron for more information |
| 14:19 | if needed | |
| 14:20 | (i hope we got his feature right ;) ) | |
| 14:20 | jcamins | mveron. mveron. mveron. |
| 14:20 | (in case he's like Beetlejuice) | |
| 14:20 | nengard | @later tell mveron I might need some help figuring out how to document the feature introduced in bug 7621, I'm not sure I know what the relationship between the preference and the marc record are or what to put in the preference for 'Age' I'm going to do some testing, but if you have more thorogh documentation I'd love to see it |
| 14:20 | huginn` | nengard: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:21 | nengard | jcamins I have one for you too :) |
| 14:21 | AuthDisplayHierarchy | |
| 14:21 | my authorities might just be crap, but I'm not see anything but one level of hierarchy when I turn this on | |
| 14:21 | can you give me a sample authority to use? | |
| 14:21 | kf | nengard: I have a catalouging example and a screenshot on the bug for yu :) |
| 14:22 | nengard | well jcamins didn't include a bug number in his database update line :) so I didn't go look at the bug yet :) |
| 14:22 | jcamins | nengard: bug 8211 |
| 14:22 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8211 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Add "subject (broader)," "subject (narrower)," and "subject (related)" options for search |
| 14:22 | jcamins | No. |
| 14:22 | Bug 8523? | |
| 14:22 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8523 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Authority hierarchies only support UNIMARC |
| 14:22 | jcamins | I cannot. The authorities have to be linked by authid. |
| 14:22 | nengard | oo boy ? mine does not look like that at all |
| 14:23 | in fact mine isn't even linked | |
| 14:23 | jcamins | nengard: right, they generally won't be. |
| 14:23 | kf | nengard: I created the sample records myself |
| 14:23 | it was easy | |
| 14:23 | with the new plugin | |
| 14:23 | jcamins | This was a UNIMARC-only feature for five years. |
| 14:23 | nengard | so the Marc21 part isn't as robust yet? |
| 14:24 | kf | it's the same, but if you reimport records they get new authids |
| 14:24 | jcamins | nengard: no, it's just as robust now. |
| 14:24 | kf | or even more robust than before I think? the display it's much nicer |
| 14:24 | is much nicer | |
| 14:24 | jcamins | However, no one is going to have data for it because for five years there was no option. |
| 14:25 | Use the see also (5xx) plugin to add links. | |
| 14:25 | kf | you can use my screenshot if you want |
| 14:25 | jcamins | Or use kf's screenshot. That makes sense, too. |
| 14:25 | kf | but it's a german example :( |
| 14:25 | jcamins | More sense, actually, as it saves you work. |
| 14:25 | kf | basically I did a geographical one |
| 14:25 | germany - state baden-württemberg - city Konstanz - quarter Fürstenberg | |
| 14:26 | * jcamins | doesn't really know why someone would use it other than geographic authorities. |
| 14:26 | jcamins | Oooh. |
| 14:26 | We should add a link using bug 8211 to the authority details screen | |
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| 14:26 | kf | jcamins: genealogy? |
| 14:27 | father / daughter / family trees! | |
| 14:27 | jcamins | kf: genealogy? |
| 14:27 | Broader/narrower? :P | |
| 14:27 | kf | well, not with that terms, but it would work :) |
| 14:27 | jcamins | Okay, yeah |
| 14:28 | kf | or |
| 14:28 | well | |
| 14:28 | topical could work well too | |
| 14:28 | like | |
| 14:28 | biology | |
| 14:28 | jcamins | zoology, spiderology? |
| 14:28 | Good point. :) | |
| 14:28 | kf | and have narrower genetics, ... and others I can't translate right now |
| 14:28 | yep those | |
| 14:28 | * jcamins | made up spiderology. |
| 14:29 | kf | I was tempted to do animalogy |
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| 14:37 | mtompset | spiderology is cooler. ;) |
| 14:38 | jcamins++ # plus points for the creativity. ;) | |
| 14:41 | Is it possible for a library to have no barcodes? | |
| 14:41 | jcamins | Of course. |
| 14:41 | Most of mine do. | |
| 14:41 | Do not. | |
| 14:42 | mtompset | Okay, so a patch to display barcodes in the OPAC search results would really only need to display barcodes if there were barcodes. |
| 14:42 | jcamins | And wouldn't be accepted, right. |
| 14:43 | See the last three times people tried to change the OPAC to show the barcode. | |
| 14:43 | mtompset | Why wasn't it accepted? |
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| 14:43 | jcamins | Because most people don't want barcode displayed. |
| 14:44 | SJeffery | Even if it is a configurable option that is off by default? |
| 14:44 | jcamins | SJeffery: that would be acceptable. The last three attempts were all "always on"-type modifications. |
| 14:45 | nengard | jcamins, i'm testing the authority import in master and it's frozen |
| 14:45 | and the list of processes on my server doesn't show it running anymore | |
| 14:45 | it did work the first time I tested it ? last week I think | |
| 14:45 | jcamins | nengard: your javascript was out of date. Go to the manage MARC import screen. |
| 14:45 | nengard | it's not there |
| 14:46 | jcamins | And it's not running? |
| 14:46 | Weird. | |
| 14:46 | nengard | but the one I did on the 20th is there |
| 14:46 | It is stuck at processing | |
| 14:46 | on the browser | |
| 14:46 | and the process is not running anymore on the server | |
| 14:46 | what has changed for me since the 20th is that I upgraded to mountain lion ? but don't think that's it | |
| 14:46 | jcamins | When I imported authorities yesterday it worked. |
| 14:47 | nengard | hmmm |
| 14:47 | jcamins | Actually, it was two days ago. |
| 14:47 | Monday. | |
| 14:47 | * jcamins | can eventually figure out what the calendar says. |
| 14:48 | nengard | heh |
| 14:48 | well i did pull down new updates to master yesterday | |
| 14:48 | so maybe something broke it yesterday | |
| 14:48 | jcamins | Right, but I didn't think there was anything new since Monday. |
| 14:49 | nengard | here's what happens ? |
| 14:49 | 1. browse for file | |
| 14:49 | 2. change type to authority | |
| 14:49 | 3. don't look for matches | |
| 14:49 | 4. click button | |
| 14:49 | server says : www-data 1915 0.0 3.3 109904 24300 ? R 10:43 0:00 /usr/bin/perl /home/nengard/kohaclone/tools/background-job-progress.pl | |
| 14:49 | 1 minute later that line is gone from the processes, but the browser still says it's processing | |
| 14:50 | same process with a bib record finishes in no time | |
| 14:50 | jcamins | Hmmm... mtj didn't tidy that file for perlcritic, did he? |
| 14:50 | nengard | iono |
| 14:51 | jcamins | He did. |
| 14:51 | Okay... file a new bug, and link the one you reported yesterday to it with see also. | |
| 14:51 | That will allow me to quickly identify what the problem is when I get a chance to fix it tonight. | |
| 14:52 | Probably I hadn't updated master on Monday. | |
| 14:52 | nengard | okey dokey |
| 14:54 | done | |
| 14:55 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 14:57 | I hate debugging background-job-progress.pl. | |
| 14:59 | I wish we did *real* AJAX for that. | |
| 15:01 | slef | all AJAX is hell |
| 15:01 | whether real or fake | |
| 15:01 | KISS | |
| 15:02 | oleonard | AJAX, used properly, helps us keep things simple for the user |
| 15:02 | jcamins | slef: yes, but the way we do it is worse. |
| 15:03 | slef | oleonard: rarely simpler in use, often harder to debug. |
| 15:03 | * oleonard | eagerly awaits jcamins' implementation of http://jqueryui.com/demos/progressbar/ |
| 15:03 | jcamins | The "fork and throw out all debug information to /dev/null" option is rarely superior. |
| 15:04 | Alas, that's the option we went with for import. :( | |
| 15:04 | slef | yeah, forking's best avoided with web too :-/ |
| 15:05 | and if you must fork, redirecting debug into to /dev/null instead of the logs is almost certainly wrong | |
| 15:05 | fun fun fun | |
| 15:05 | stuff like that is why I want to chew people's legs off sometimes | |
| 15:05 | kf | eew |
| 15:06 | slef | maybe I should chew their legs off, then use the sharp bony end to kill kittens...? |
| 15:06 | kitten kebabs! | |
| 15:06 | if I wasn't so busy, I'd get GIMP to make a graphic of that | |
| 15:06 | kf | I am not sure I want dinner today now |
| 15:07 | slef | Sorry |
| 15:07 | I'm writing election addresses | |
| 15:07 | I think it is best to be positive in them | |
| 15:08 | but that means that the vitriol has to go somewhere else. | |
| 15:08 | After all, isn't part of the reason anyone stands for election to try to fix what they think is broken? | |
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| 15:09 | slef | If you thought everything was going brilliant, you'd probably not stand for election and just let those who are doing it get on with it. |
| 15:09 | *shrug* | |
| 15:09 | jcamins | slef: well, that and a belief that there are opportunities for bribery and graft. |
| 15:10 | slef | jcamins: arf! |
| 15:10 | kf | slef: you stand of for election? |
| 15:10 | chris_n | politicians motivated by money?!! perish the thought! they're all pure and innocent aren't they? |
| 15:10 | slef | jcamins: you can try to bribe me if you like. Let's call it a campaign contribution. Then I'll probably forget and do what I was going to do anyway, then what you gonna do? |
| 15:10 | kf | for what? |
| 15:11 | and sorry for my english today, my brain is not working | |
| 15:11 | slef | kf: One of 50 ordinary consumer-members to attend http://www.co-operative.coop/ national meetings. Pretty low-power. |
| 15:12 | kf | :) |
| 15:12 | * druthb | would never describe slef as "ordinary" |
| 15:12 | kf | nope |
| 15:12 | slef | kf: but: it gets me to the national meetings, which can be useful for various reasons; and it gets me visible to the local meetings if I want to stand for election to a higher-power local post next summer. |
| 15:12 | kf | well definitely not after the previous kitten comment |
| 15:12 | slef | bwahaha |
| 15:13 | druthb: yeah well sometimes they call it "ordinary" and sometimes "active" but what they really mean is "not elected to anything else" | |
| 15:14 | jcamins | drojf: also, "probably not worth bribing." :) |
| 15:14 | druthb | @later tell eythian Unicorn is nothing more or less than an earlier version of Symphony. The same API will work for extracting circ data, or use the "List Charges" report with XML output if you don't have shell access. |
| 15:14 | huginn` | druthb: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:14 | jcamins | *druthb |
| 15:16 | slef | jcamins: damn you ;) |
| 15:17 | jcamins | slef: just calling it like I see it. :P |
| 15:17 | slef | jcamins: what, you don't want to bribe one of the biggest shareholders of the UK's fifth largest food retailer? |
| 15:18 | jwagner | @quote add <slef> maybe I should chew their legs off, then use the sharp bony end to kill kittens...? |
| 15:18 | huginn` | jwagner: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 15:18 | slef | (no-one owns more shares in it than I do) |
| 15:18 | jcamins | slef: n shares per member? |
| 15:19 | jwagner | @quote add <slef> maybe I should chew their legs off, then use the sharp bony end to kill kittens...? |
| 15:19 | huginn` | jwagner: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 15:19 | jwagner | Grump. |
| 15:19 | slef | jcamins: 1 member 1 share AFAIK |
| 15:23 | wajasu | oooh cloning from git timed out. |
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| 15:26 | mtompset | @quote add <slef> maybe I should chew their legs off, then use the sharp bony end to kill kittens...? |
| 15:26 | huginn` | mtompset: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 15:26 | mtompset | Registered with huggin`, I guess. |
| 15:27 | * SJeffery | just got back from a trip to the Library of Congress and is feeling all librarian-ish today. |
| 15:29 | mtompset | @quote add <slef> maybe I should chew their legs off, then use the sharp bony end to kill kittens...? |
| 15:29 | huginn` | mtompset: The operation succeeded. Quote #217 added. |
| 15:29 | mtompset | There we go, jwagner. :) |
| 15:29 | oleonard | On acqui/orderreceive.pl, why does it say "Quantity received: 0" when I have previously added 3 items? |
| 15:30 | jwagner | I keep identifying and huginn never remembers me. I think it doesn't like me.... |
| 15:30 | oleonard | I see the items on the record, so I know they're there. |
| 15:30 | jcamins | oleonard: I think it only tells you how many have been received that session? |
| 15:31 | oleonard | Hm, I guess that makes sense in the context that the "Quantity to receive" field shows the number of items I need to receive, *having already received X number of items* |
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| 15:37 | jcamins | oleonard: do we already have the progressbar in our jQueryUI file? |
| 15:38 | oleonard | I can't remember if the patch I submitted which included it was pushed yet |
| 15:38 | jcamins | oleonard: incidentally, did I tell you the API change in jQuery I was cursing turned out to be a workaround for a misconfigured server? |
| 15:39 | oleonard | No, nor do I remember you cursing anything |
| 15:39 | jcamins | Well, I was tearing my hair over a change in the jQuery AJAX API for cross-site requests. |
| 15:40 | The code worked on the latest jQuery but not older versions. | |
| 15:40 | It turns out the code was correct for all versions, but the newer version included a workaround for if the remote server was misconfigured. | |
| 15:41 | oleonard | That's very... specific. |
| 15:41 | jcamins | Yes. And unexpected. |
| 15:42 | Generally my feeling is that it is not the client's responsibility to deal with a server that hasn't been set up right. | |
| 15:42 | Apparently a jQuery developer disagrees. | |
| 15:42 | oleonard | Oh, I submitted a follow-up patch to Bug 7067 which includes Progressbar, but that's not likely to go in soon. |
| 15:42 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7067 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac |
| 15:43 | oleonard | biab |
| 15:43 | nengard | jcamins what is the command line way to import authorities? |
| 15:43 | bulkmarcimport.pl -a file /home/nengard/authorities.mrc -v | |
| 15:43 | isn't working | |
| 15:43 | jcamins | Really? |
| 15:43 | nengard | $ bulkmarcimport.pl -a file /home/nengard/authorities.mrc -v |
| 15:43 | bash: bulkmarcimport.pl: command not found | |
| 15:43 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 15:44 | Yes, you have to run the script. | |
| 15:44 | misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl | |
| 15:44 | Also, -file not file | |
| 15:44 | nengard | ~/kohaclone/misc/migration_tools$ bulkmarcimport.pl -a -file /home/nengard/authorities.mrc -v |
| 15:44 | bash: bulkmarcimport.pl: command not found | |
| 15:46 | jcamins | You need to run the script. Use ./ if you're in the directory, or just run it using perl. |
| 15:46 | nengard | perl bulkmarcimport.pl -a -file /home/nengard/authorities.mrc -v |
| 15:46 | worked | |
| 15:47 | tcohen | can anyone tell me how to add some ,deb in a debian repo created following http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_Debian_Packages ? |
| 15:47 | jcamins | tcohen: you mean you want to add the deb *to* a repo? |
| 15:47 | Or *from* a repo? | |
| 15:48 | tcohen | I want to add *some* missing perl libs to a repo I created with *some* patches applied |
| 15:48 | jcamins | Okay, so you don't have the repo yet, and you want it. |
| 15:49 | Well, darn. The guide I like is no longer online. | |
| 15:49 | tcohen | I almost have the repo, using that wiki as reference |
| 15:49 | jcamins | https://github.com/jcamins/rel[…]ase-tool.pl#L1168 |
| 15:50 | tcohen | just need to add some extra .deb files I created using dh-make-perl |
| 15:50 | jcamins | dput *.changes |
| 15:50 | dput {reponame} *.changes | |
| 15:50 | Sorry. | |
| 15:50 | Always forget that. | |
| 15:51 | tcohen | thanks |
| 15:54 | jcamins, it wont add perl dependencies but only push the koha-common deb right? | |
| 15:55 | jcamins | tcohen: it will only add koha and koha-common if you specify the koha-whatever.changes file. |
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| 15:55 | jcamins | You should be running dput {reponame} changesfile.changes for each package you want to add. |
| 15:55 | tcohen | ok, understood |
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| 16:00 | wajasu | what repo software do you use to build/host your debian repo? i was thinking of building a local one. |
| 16:00 | jcamins | reprepro. |
| 16:00 | Only way to go. | |
| 16:01 | wajasu | thx |
| 16:01 | jcamins | (I mean, there are other options, but don't take them, they're not as pleasant) |
| 16:01 | There should be a git repo for the deb repo configuration. | |
| 16:01 | Also, I should merge my changes into mtj's git-bz. | |
| 16:02 | wajasu | saves me the pain. i'll revist later when i get around to it. maybe you will have it merged by then. |
| 16:05 | jcamins | Merged. |
| 16:07 | https://github.com/jcamins/git-bz <-- if anyone cares | |
| 16:07 | @later tell mtj https://github.com/jcamins/git-bz has your changes merged in | |
| 16:07 | huginn` | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:09 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:11 | oleonard | jcamins++ |
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| 16:11 | oleonard | So do you do "git bz -e -m" ? |
| 16:12 | harit | Can i customize koha online catalog webpage |
| 16:12 | jcamins | oleonard: --mail I think. |
| 16:13 | wajasu | jcamins++ |
| 16:23 | oleonard | Does the sample data now include an ACQ framework? |
| 16:27 | Looks like it doesn't. Should it? | |
| 16:27 | jcamins | oleonard: I would think so. |
| 16:28 | * oleonard | commands that it be so |
| 16:28 | checks | |
| 16:28 | oleonard | Shoot, that never works. |
| 16:37 | nengard | acquisitions question - why is the tax rate a pull down now? how do I enter a tax rate in that field? |
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| 16:38 | mtj | jcamins, oleonard either --mail or -m |
| 16:38 | jcamins | mtj: do you ever sleep? |
| 16:40 | mtj | parser.add_option("-m", "--mail", action="store_true", help="send email") |
| 16:41 | yeah, i sometimes get up in the wee hours and pfaff | |
| 16:42 | cait | hi again #koha |
| 16:43 | mtj | oh wow, my git-bz was missing paul's git-am -3 patch (i pulled mine from slefs repo) |
| 16:45 | jcamins, nice! i'll pull yr gitbz changes later | |
| 16:45 | jcamins | mtj: thanks. |
| 16:45 | At some point I also want to add "taking" the bug. | |
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| 16:54 | oleonard | Oh, were we looking for examples of AJAX badly handled? I think if your AJAX function includes a "success" function but no "fail" function that counts. |
| 16:55 | jcamins | oleonard: if a failure can safely be ignored, I don't see a problem with that. |
| 16:55 | oleonard | *if* |
| 16:56 | The grey area is where failure seems so unlikely. | |
| 16:56 | jcamins | Where does failure matter but not get checked? |
| 16:57 | oleonard | I'm looking at orderreceive.pl which uses AJAX to load a copy of the additem form |
| 16:57 | It seems very unlikely that it would not succeed, but what happens if it doesn't? The user gets no entry form and no clue | |
| 16:59 | cait | oleonard: I agree with you :) |
| 16:59 | it's evil | |
| 16:59 | ;) | |
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| 17:03 | oleonard | cait: On the other hand, all we can do is say "Sorry, couldn't load the form. Go do something else for a while" |
| 17:03 | SJeffery | That is better than nothing. |
| 17:05 | cait | oleonard: well... yes |
| 17:08 | jcamins | Wow. |
| 17:10 | cait | jcamins: hm? |
| 17:10 | you can't just say wow and then stop | |
| 17:10 | jcamins | cait: give it a minute. |
| 17:11 | cait | bug 8824 |
| 17:11 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8824 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, REOPENED , use of windows 7, Firefox V15 and wireless level dns 10.58.2.X versus wired 192.168.x.x |
| 17:12 | jcamins | cait: do you have a better word for it? |
| 17:12 | cait | not really |
| 17:12 | maybe.. argh? | |
| 17:13 | oleonard | Oh no, not Network World! |
| 17:13 | jcamins | ^^ good call. *That* is what you say to it. |
| 17:22 | mtj | troll-of-teh-week++ |
| 17:24 | cait | mtj: you should sleep sometimes, you know that, right? :) |
| 17:24 | mtj | i have been asleep, i just got up |
| 17:26 | slef | mtj: can you nudge katipo to fix lists.katipo please? |
| 17:26 | they'll love it at this time of the morning :) | |
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| 17:28 | mtj | yep, will do this morning |
| 17:28 | jcamins | What's wrong with lists.katipo.co.nz? |
| 17:28 | slef | jcamins: refusing connections |
| 17:29 | jcamins | slef: ooh, that's a problem. |
| 17:29 | maximep | wow, 8824 made my day |
| 17:29 | slef | that's been happening since 2012-09-25 10:55:39 1TGRrd-0006gs-DV daddy-mx.katipo.co.nz [202.50.109.196] Connection refused |
| 17:29 | bug 8824 | |
| 17:29 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8824 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, REOPENED , use of windows 7, Firefox V15 and wireless level dns 10.58.2.X versus wired 192.168.x.x |
| 17:30 | jcamins | You know what I dislike? The way we use hyphens instead of en dashes for dates in authorities. |
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| 17:42 | * oleonard | asks jcamins to back down on the inflammatory nature of his strong words re:hyphens |
| 17:43 | jcamins | oleonard: are you telling me it isn't just *jarring*? |
| 17:44 | oleonard | I don't actually have an opinion :) |
| 17:44 | jcamins | oleonard: go look at a heading with dates. I'll wait. |
| 17:44 | Don't you now feel jarred? | |
| 17:44 | * oleonard | climbs back into his chair |
| 17:45 | jcamins | Exactly! |
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| 17:51 | tcohen | jcamins, do your release-tool.pl script send mails or something if run without other parameters than the version? |
| 17:57 | bornie21 | hie I wanted to ask whether it is possible to import patron data directly into mysql database. |
| 17:58 | jcamins | koha migration toolbox? |
| 17:58 | wahanui | koha migration toolbox is https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/ |
| 17:58 | jcamins | bornie21: yes, and there's a script for it in there ^^ |
| 17:58 | There's also a patron import tool, I think. | |
| 17:59 | bornie21 | Ok thanx but i also wanted to ask about passwords for the patrons. Do I leave them blank or create dummies |
| 18:00 | jcamins | Either way. |
| 18:00 | wahanui | either way is workable though imho |
| 18:00 | bornie21 | Great thanx |
| 18:07 | tcohen | jcamins, your script passes the branch as distribution? |
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| 18:09 | oleonard | http://screencast.com/t/sCXl6t2693 |
| 18:14 | jcamins_away | tcohen, by default. The e-mail is only sent if explicitly requested. |
| 18:15 | tcohen | so --branch precise is expected for precise ? |
| 18:15 | jcamins_away | If you want it srt up like that. |
| 18:16 | I prefer meaningful diat names. | |
| 18:16 | tcohen | its just that I undesrstood that -D= or --distribution is what is passed to pbuilder as the debian distribution |
| 18:16 | jcamins_away | Will push reprepro config in an hour. |
| 18:17 | Yes, exactly right. | |
| 18:17 | train is here. | |
| 18:17 | tcohen | bye! |
| 18:30 | wajasu | libsysguy: i wanted to write a test for Koha::Schema of bug 8728. I went to apply the patches and the third one 'Updated-to-remove-tabs.patch' failed to apply. Maybe we should get khall to regen one. |
| 18:30 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8728 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , t/db_dependent/Reserve.t test doesn't use resdate and expdate arguments for AddReserve |
| 18:30 | wajasu | i mean bug 8798 |
| 18:30 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8798 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Signed Off , Add the use of DBIx::Class |
| 18:30 | libsysguy | maybe wajasu |
| 18:31 | khall | I may have managed to screw it up somehow. Try deprecating my so'ed one and reinstate his original. |
| 18:33 | wajasu | ok. i'll try his original. |
| 18:34 | if it works, i'll sign it off. | |
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| 18:50 | wajasu | ok. applied the signed off. no to my attempt to write a test. |
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| 19:11 | oleonard | Hi gary_ |
| 19:13 | gary_ | hi there oleonard |
| 19:14 | any chance someone could help me with a problem related to bug 8497? | |
| 19:14 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8497 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Strange behavior when modifying the 'timeout' system preference. |
| 19:15 | oleonard | I can advise you not to use the "days" option |
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| 19:15 | gary_ | um... to late :( |
| 19:15 | cait | gary_: did you lock yourself out? |
| 19:15 | gary_ | more or less |
| 19:15 | oleonard | gary_: Do you have access to MySQL? |
| 19:15 | cait | do you have access to the database by chance? |
| 19:15 | hehe | |
| 19:15 | oleonard++ | |
| 19:15 | oleonard | cait++ |
| 19:15 | gary_ | I do but I'm not savvy with mysql so I don't know how to edit it manually |
| 19:16 | i'm just a librarian and a sunny day computer geek | |
| 19:16 | cait | it's not really hard |
| 19:17 | how can you access myswl? command line or using a tool? | |
| 19:17 | gary_ | hehe, says you cait |
| 19:17 | command line | |
| 19:17 | cait | ok |
| 19:17 | so lock into mysql and do... (1 sec) | |
| 19:20 | select * from systempreferences where variable like "timeout"; | |
| 19:21 | gary_ | cait: putting this in a text file to take to work tomorrow.. system is not online yet |
| 19:21 | cait | oh |
| 19:21 | ok | |
| 19:21 | that should just give you the line | |
| 19:21 | the next thing you would want is to update the value | |
| 19:21 | gary_ | ok, i'm with you so far |
| 19:21 | makes sense | |
| 19:22 | cait | hm |
| 19:22 | wait a sec | |
| 19:23 | yeah but I made amistake | |
| 19:23 | :) let me get it right | |
| 19:23 | gary_ | ok, i'm patient |
| 19:25 | cait | oook :) |
| 19:26 | select * from systempreferences where variable = "timeout" | |
| 19:26 | ; | |
| 19:26 | not like, but = - that just outputs | |
| 19:26 | now to update | |
| 19:26 | gary_ | k, got it |
| 19:27 | cait | update systempreferences set value = 12000001 where variable = "timeout"; |
| 19:27 | the original value in my database from installing koha was 12000000 | |
| 19:28 | I updated it by one, checking I tell you the right thing | |
| 19:28 | but if you are supported by a vendor - maybe worth asking them to do it for you | |
| 19:29 | oleonard | Great minds think alike... I also have a timeout of 12000001 now :) |
| 19:29 | gary_ | nope, no vendor, it's all commando |
| 19:30 | cait, so after update, that's the trick and it should be back to default +1? | |
| 19:30 | cait | you can reset it to 12000001 too |
| 19:31 | it probably has some numer with d at the end now | |
| 19:31 | which is the problem as this doesn't work so well | |
| 19:31 | gary_ | correct |
| 19:31 | it's like it ignores the d and logs me out every 2 seconds | |
| 19:31 | cait | it may do that - I think there is a bug somewhere :( |
| 19:32 | jcamins | @later tell tcohen https://github.com/jcamins/rel[…]e/master/reprepro |
| 19:32 | huginn` | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:33 | gary_ | thank you all so much. I'll give it a go tomorrow and hopefully be able to get to work |
| 19:33 | jcamins | Why don't we just remove the canned reports? They don't work. |
| 19:34 | oleonard | No argument from me jcamins, but since people are actively submitting patches to change them someone must be using them |
| 19:34 | cait | jcamins: I agree too... but I think we should better fix them |
| 19:34 | jcamins | Fair enough. |
| 19:34 | cait | they do offer some functionality we don't have in the other reports *sigh* |
| 19:35 | jcamins | cait: yeah, fixing would be better, but someone would need to do that. |
| 19:35 | cait | I fixed some in the past... |
| 19:35 | well a bit | |
| 19:35 | mbalmer | I will slowly start to collect a list of figures that are interested to run Koha on PostgreSQL. Send folks my way. |
| 19:37 | drojf | :) |
| 19:45 | mbalmer | hmm. |
| 19:45 | maybe sth I should rather ask on the mailing lists than here. | |
| 19:46 | oleonard | What will you do with your list mbalmer? |
| 19:47 | mbalmer | A change to PostgreSQL will only hapen if enough people want it. And that has to be found out first. |
| 19:48 | oleonard | You mean if enough people fund it? |
| 19:48 | mbalmer | Maybe even if enough people want it. |
| 19:50 | oleonard | I would think there are incremental improvements that can be done towards db-agnosticism |
| 19:50 | mbalmer | but fighting windmillls makes no sense. |
| 19:50 | rambutan | I think PostgreSQL support is a good thing: (1) backup to MySQL if a truck hits it (2) many people _claim_ it's more secure, reliable and scalable (3) work to support PostgreSQL may work to promote database agnosticism |
| 19:50 | mbalmer | and db-agnosticism makes no sense either. |
| 19:50 | oleonard | No sense?! |
| 19:51 | mbalmer | no. |
| 19:51 | cait | mbalmer: I tihnk than you are talking about a fork |
| 19:51 | we need a way to continue support for mysql | |
| 19:51 | even if more and more people switch over to something else over time | |
| 19:51 | oleonard | mbalmer the only way you'll get support for adding Postgres is if you support db-agnosticism |
| 19:51 | mbalmer | for any real application you have to choose the DB. else you can not take advantage of the specific offerings. |
| 19:52 | * oleonard | builds his windmill opposite mbalmer's |
| 19:53 | mbalmer | oleonard, that is not my goal. If at all, I want to use advanced features of PostgreSQL. Or, as an option, leave that and stay with MySQL. |
| 19:53 | * jcamins | ignores windmills, considers having a cookie. |
| 19:54 | cait | mmh cookies |
| 19:54 | oleonard | I agree with cait, it sounds like you're talking about a fork mbalmer |
| 19:54 | mbalmer | certainly not. |
| 19:55 | a fork of koha would not be fruitful. | |
| 19:55 | oleonard | Then it sounds like you're going to push Postgres as the only option until everyone agrees with you. |
| 19:55 | mbalmer | staying with MySQL isn't either ;) (my personal opinion, ymmv) |
| 19:56 | oleonard, I push nothing. | |
| 19:56 | I use Koha as is. | |
| 19:56 | * mtj | looking forward to DBIx being pushed... |
| 19:56 | mbalmer | I return to development of Koha once it has changed the DB. |
| 19:57 | jcamins | mtj: me too! |
| 19:57 | oleonard | mbalmer: We'll call you when it happens. |
| 19:57 | mbalmer | until that day I will happily run and support it as is. |
| 19:57 | mtj | postgres and DBIx, that would be great! |
| 19:58 | rambutan | Firebird! |
| 19:58 | wahanui | firebird is a really great database because they have the prettiest web site of any db. |
| 19:58 | jcamins | mtj: SQLite + DBIx! |
| 19:58 | mbalmer | oleonard, you are a hypocrite… ;) |
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| 19:59 | jcamins | mbalmer: no, I think he was being serious. You'll be the first (outside of the people involved) to know when a decision is made to jettison support for existing Koha libraries. |
| 20:00 | drojf | popcorn. get your popcorn here. mypopcorn and postgrespopcorn, your choice |
| 20:00 | * drojf | hides |
| 20:00 | jcamins | rambutan: the only thing I know about Firebird is that they had already claimed the name that Firefox wanted. |
| 20:00 | drojf: which has caramel? | |
| 20:00 | oleonard | jcamins: And since then, nothing |
| 20:00 | drojf | jcamins: you need caramelpopcorn then. it's not popcorn agnostic |
| 20:01 | jcamins | drojf: awww. |
| 20:01 | Kettle corn? | |
| 20:01 | drojf | jcamins: but it has nice extra features! :) |
| 20:02 | rambutan | Firebird used to have a really cool green-themed website. It's not as cool now, but still good. wahanui was right for once. |
| 20:03 | Firebird is, of course, the now much more developed and open sourced Borland Pro database from many years ago. | |
| 20:07 | jcamins | mtj: did you PBP-friendify C4::Auth? |
| 20:07 | mbalmer | jcamins, I hope one day the switch to PostgreSQL will happen. I am serious about this. ;) |
| 20:08 | jcamins | mbalmer: and I hope one day that we will be able to support multiple databases. |
| 20:08 | oleonard | mbalmer: Step 1: Make Koha db-agnostic. Step 2: Wait for everyone to realize how great Postgres is. Step 3: Gloat. |
| 20:11 | mbalmer | I see it a bit different, obviously. |
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| 20:13 | jcamins | I have an authority for "Smith" -- no first name. |
| 20:14 | Apparently "Smith" is male, and has been active for sixty-some years. | |
| 20:14 | cait | mr smith from the matrix maybe? |
| 20:15 | jcamins | cait: hehe. |
| 20:19 | mtj | the obvious point to me is, koha can only switch to postgres *after* it becomes db-agnostic |
| 20:19 | jcamins | mtj: did you enable warnings in C4::Auth? |
| 20:21 | mtj | hmm, cant remember :/ |
| 20:22 | yeah, i did | |
| 20:23 | jcamins | If you log in as the database user, your logs get absolutely massacred. |
| 20:24 | Problematic, if your goal is to spot legitimate errors. | |
| 20:24 | oleonard | Bug 6679 |
| 20:25 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, P1 - high, ---, mtj, ASSIGNED , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests |
| 20:25 | jcamins | Yeah, that's why I blamed mtj immediately. |
| 20:26 | mtj | a simple a follow-up patch would fix that tho |
| 20:27 | 'use warning' introduces 2 new warns? | |
| 20:27 | tools-home.pl: Use of uninitialized value $sessiontype in string eq at /home/mason/git/head/C4/Auth.pm line 705., | |
| 20:27 | tools-home.pl: Argument "kohaadmin" isn't numeric in bitwise and (&) at /home/mason/git/head/C4/Auth.pm line 1500., | |
| 20:28 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 20:28 | mtj | or are there more warns? |
| 20:28 | jcamins | I fixed 'em both. |
| 20:28 | Those two. | |
| 20:28 | mtj | kaizen++ |
| 20:28 | jcamins | They were necessary in order to solve bug 8818 |
| 20:28 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8818 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Authority linker error on Z cataloging |
| 20:28 | jcamins | No. |
| 20:29 | Bug 88somethingelse | |
| 20:29 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]how_bug.cgi?id=88 normal, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, Can't log out if using basic authentication |
| 20:29 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 20:29 | * gmcharlt | kicks huginn |
| 20:29 | mbalmer left #koha | |
| 20:30 | mtj | new bootstrapped koha-dash -> http://dash.kohaaloha.com |
| 20:30 | oleonard | mtj++ |
| 20:30 | huginn joined #koha | |
| 20:30 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 20:30 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #136: "<sekjal> MARC. Must. Die!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:18 PM, May 26, 2011) |
| 20:30 | * oleonard | waves goodbye |
| 20:31 | the_zombie_MARC | I'm still kicking! |
| 20:31 | rambutan | a changeling is among us |
| 20:32 | druthb | @quote random |
| 20:32 | huginn | druthb: Quote #30: "< pianohacker> Dealing with me can indeed be painful" (added by chris at 09:34 PM, September 02, 2009) |
| 20:33 | druthb | *snrk* |
| 20:33 | @quote random | |
| 20:33 | huginn | druthb: Quote #25: "<wizzyrea> ha, in #koha we don't pick each other's brains... we git pull them." (added by gmcharlt at 07:40 PM, August 14, 2009) |
| 20:34 | jcamins | Bug 8829 |
| 20:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8829 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't import authorities |
| 20:37 | maximep left #koha | |
| 20:43 | talljoy joined #koha | |
| 20:47 | bag | @seen sekjal |
| 20:47 | huginn | bag: sekjal was last seen in #koha 1 week, 1 day, 23 hours, 53 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: * sekjal waves |
| 20:53 | jcamins | talljoy: confirmed that bug 8829 is 3.8.x-only. |
| 20:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8829 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , can't import authorities |
| 20:53 | talljoy | ok |
| 20:53 | jcamins | No, not that one. |
| 20:53 | Bug 8823 | |
| 20:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8823 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , CatalogModuleRelink Creates Multiple Links between Bib and Auth record ($9 RLIN) |
| 20:53 | jcamins | That one. |
| 20:54 | Oddly, there are no changes in the relevant code. | |
| 20:55 | Oooh. Wait. I think I see the problem. | |
| 21:15 | wajasu | libsysguy: I'm pasting a beginning effort to validate some of the DBIx schema. |
| 21:15 | pastebot | "wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "in order to enable DBIx schema testing, I took a stab at Test::DBIx::Schema (need to findout why #3 fails)" (194 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/199 |
| 21:15 | libsysguy | looking wajasu |
| 21:17 | what was the tag test? | |
| 21:17 | test 3 | |
| 21:18 | wajasu | hold on |
| 21:19 | pastebot | "wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "line 75 of test #3" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/200 |
| 21:20 | wajasu | self->{moniker} probably resolves to Tag |
| 21:20 | libsysguy | yeah |
| 21:20 | so it looks like since this was generated with Schema | |
| 21:20 | you need something that includes Result | |
| 21:22 | wajasu | they are trying to test if the ResultSet::Tag isa Schema::Tag let me see if i need something more. i have an idea |
| 21:28 | no, its not something in my $schematests->methods that i need ( ithough i needed resultsets) but its something else having to do with the matching | |
| 21:30 | They are probably just testing that Koha::Schema::Result::Tag isa Koha::Schema::Tag | |
| 21:31 | libsysguy | yeah but I don't think they are the same are they? |
| 21:32 | wajasu | i'd have to look into what "like" does i guess. |
| 21:40 | jcamins | talljoy: I posted a patch, and fixed a related bug that you would've run into after the this one. |
| 21:40 | talljoy | ok |
| 21:40 | jcamins | Well- might have run into. |
| 21:44 | Oh my. | |
| 21:44 | Our next door neighbors are planning a playdate with someone passing by on the street. | |
| 21:45 | "So what, you say"? | |
| 21:45 | We're on the fourth floor. | |
| 21:46 | drojf | jcamins: so they talk silently on their phones to coordinate it? :) |
| 21:47 | jcamins | drojf: at 3 and 5, I don't think they're allowed to have phones. |
| 21:47 | gaetan_B joined #koha | |
| 21:48 | drojf | jcamins: really? how do they use facebook then? |
| 21:48 | jcamins | lol |
| 21:49 | I'm not sure. I didn't ask. | |
| 22:00 | edveal left #koha | |
| 22:11 | trea left #koha | |
| 22:16 | eythian | @later tell tcohen that's what the dput command does |
| 22:16 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:30 | mtj | jcamins? |
| 22:30 | wahanui | rumour has it jcamins is either blind sided with arrogance for me even to bring up this inquiry as if he has seen this before or he can not be bothered, and an embarrasement to my software comunity |
| 22:31 | jcamins | lol |
| 22:32 | mtj | i couldnt resist |
| 22:32 | … and soo true! | |
| 22:34 | jcamins | mtj? |
| 22:34 | wahanui | somebody said mtj was a danger to bots everywhere. |
| 22:35 | jcamins | That was remarkably difficult to teach wahanui. He kept on getting confused. |
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| 23:22 | bag | mtj? |
| 23:22 | wahanui | well, mtj is a danger to bots everywhere. |
| 23:22 | bag | oh no!!! that's lousy… I love the crazy nuts one… booo to whomever changed that one |
| 23:26 | eythian | what was the nuts one? |
| 23:30 | talljoy joined #koha | |
| 23:33 | eythian | wahanui: literal mtj |
| 23:33 | wahanui | eythian: mtj =is= a danger to bots everywhere. |
| 23:33 | eythian | no wahanui, mtj is a danger to bots everywhere.|DeM KraZy NutZ!! |
| 23:33 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 23:33 | eythian | bag: there you go |
| 23:34 | bag | mtj? |
| 23:34 | wahanui | mtj is DeM KraZy NutZ!! |
| 23:34 | bag | YAY!!!! |
| 23:35 | * eythian | needs to fix the 'also' command one day |
| 23:35 | bag | :) |
| 23:43 | papa joined #koha | |
| 23:43 | eythian | hello papa |
| 23:44 | bye wahanui | |
| 23:44 | hello wahanui | |
| 23:44 | papa | hello. You've gone international |
| 23:44 | wahanui joined #koha | |
| 23:45 | eythian | papa: in which sense, specifically? |
| 23:45 | wahanui: papa is <reply>'r' is a vowel | |
| 23:45 | wahanui | ...but papa is who you wnat to talk to about it... |
| 23:45 | papa | well, you said hallo on an international channel |
| 23:45 | eythian | no, wahanui, papa is <reply>'r' is a vowel |
| 23:45 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 23:45 | eythian | wahanui: papa is also <reply> ifs are bad |
| 23:45 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 23:45 | eythian | wahanui: literal papa |
| 23:45 | wahanui | eythian: papa =is= <reply>'r' is a vowel|<reply> ifs are bad |
| 23:46 | eythian | there we go, been meaning to make that fix for ages |
| 23:46 | cjh | papa? |
| 23:46 | wahanui | 'r' is a vowel |
| 23:46 | papa | maybe you should try talking to humans more? |
| 23:46 | eythian | papa: why start now? |
| 23:47 | papa | umm, maybe you'll like it? |
| 23:47 | so what is wahanui supposed to do? | |
| 23:48 | eythian | wahanui: wahanui |
| 23:48 | wahanui | it has been said that i am a bot |
| 23:48 | papa | seriously? |
| 23:49 | eythian | would a computer lie to you? |
| 23:49 | papa | nope |
| 23:49 | eythian | wahanui: status |
| 23:49 | wahanui | Since Wed Sep 26 23:44:47 2012, there have been 2 modifications and 3 questions. I have been awake for 5 minutes, 3 seconds this session, and currently reference 21873 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. |
| 23:51 | papa | like kc bug tracking? |
| 23:51 | eythian | I think huginn does that |
| 23:56 | wahanui: slashdot | |
| 23:56 | wahanui | Slashdot - Updated 2012-09-26 23:48:00 | Torvalds Uses Profanity To Lambaste Romney Remarks | GNOME 3.6 Released | DNC Salute to Vets Featured Backdrop Of Russian Warships | Google Brazil Exec "Detained" For Refusing YouTube Takedown Order |
| 23:59 | eythian | purldoc test |
| 23:59 | wahanui | No matches for keyphrase 'test' found. |
| 23:59 | eythian | purldoc splice |
| 23:59 | wahanui | No matches for keyphrase 'splice' found. |
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