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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:07 | eythian | no? |
| 00:07 | I only reindex everything when I change stuff in the database. | |
| 00:08 | sometimes after a major upgrade | |
| 00:09 | mtompset | There were zebra indexing files updated. |
| 00:10 | eythian | oh right. In that case, you can. Up to you, I wouldn't consider it urgent unless things aren't working right in your test env. |
| 00:12 | http://catalogue.bu.univ-rennes2.fr/ <-- that surely is a pretty OPAC | |
| 00:15 | @later tell cait so after getting me to proofread your newsletter submission, and my only change being the addition of a comma, you didn't include my comma. How mean! ;) | |
| 00:15 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 00:15 | mtompset | perhaps the comma got removed by a third party. ;) |
| 00:16 | that is a pretty OPAC. | |
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| 01:58 | Brooke_ joined #koha | |
| 01:58 | Brooke_ | kia ora :D |
| 01:59 | eythian | mtj: --^ |
| 02:00 | rangi | Brooke_: jo is by me now, she says "can you get an earlier flight?" |
| 02:02 | ill take that as a no | |
| 02:03 | eythian | either that or she's just left :) |
| 02:06 | tcohen | what a nice OPAc eythian |
| 02:09 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #186 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 02:12 | mtompset | Greetings, tcohen. |
| 02:18 | eythian: You think someone has a bias? ;) | |
| 02:35 | eythian | mtompset: no, it was just relating to a conversation we were having yesterday. |
| 02:36 | mtompset | Ah, okay. That clarifies that. |
| 02:48 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #186: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/186/ |
| 02:48 | * kyle: Bug 4173 - Statuses not appearing in the OPAC | |
| 02:48 | * jonathan.druart: Bug 4173: Followup: put the lib into a variable | |
| 02:48 | * kyle: Bug 4173: Followup: Document KohaAuthorisedValues plugin | |
| 02:48 | * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8629: update of statistics fields on fund selection in order creation/edition | |
| 02:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4173 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Statuses not appearing in the OPAC |
| 02:48 | jenkins_koha | * dcook: Bug 8764 - Template change "Authors" to "Additional authors" in OPAC |
| 02:48 | * oleonard: Bug 8617 - Problem with display of comments waiting for moderation in OPAC | |
| 02:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8629 normal, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , update of statistics fields on fund selection in order creation/edition |
| 02:48 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8764 trivial, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Template change "Authors" to "Additional authors" in OPAC | |
| 02:48 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8617 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Problem with display of comments waiting for moderation in OPAC | |
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| 02:54 | Waylon | hey all |
| 02:58 | * eythian | has his noise cancelling headphones back in operation. That is hugely better. |
| 03:05 | Waylon | hmm.. how do i use git blame? how do i search commits for the first commit of a concept? |
| 03:06 | * Waylon | wants to find the guy who created SearchMyLibraryFirst ... to understand what they wanted to do with it. |
| 03:06 | eythian | Waylon: it's not terribly easy. |
| 03:06 | although, it is possible | |
| 03:06 | but you have to do it manually | |
| 03:07 | you can blame up to a particular revision, so work your ay backwards | |
| 03:07 | Waylon | so.. how do i do it? |
| 03:08 | eythian | I dunno, I'd look in the manual. I've never actually done it. |
| 03:08 | hmm, --reverse _might_ be useful. | |
| 03:23 | Waylon | okay, how do i get the fulltext of every patch done to a file, all at once, in order to grep it? |
| 03:24 | eythian | uhm, are you sure that's what you want? |
| 03:24 | (also, I don't know, but perhaps git show can do something like that.) | |
| 03:25 | Waylon | nevermind. |
| 03:25 | git log + vim works. | |
| 03:25 | bug 3244 | |
| 03:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3244 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, initial support for multiple OPACs for libraries sharing a single Koha database |
| 03:25 | Waylon | hum... sounds like what im doing. |
| 03:27 | gmcharlt still about? | |
| 03:27 | ah yes. | |
| 03:27 | hi gmcharlt ? | |
| 03:29 | hmm... the patch/bug looks like it was on the right track. but still only handled single branches. | |
| 03:30 | and didn't enforce the security either. | |
| 03:40 | hmm... decisions decisions. | |
| 03:43 | ..... I don't believe SearchMyLibraryFirst goes far enough, so If SearchMyLibrariesLimit is set, SearchMyLibrariesFirst is ignored, no matter what its set to. Its a much stricter security. | |
| 03:43 | hiya rangi? | |
| 03:44 | guess hes not logged in from the con. | |
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| 04:48 | harit | i need some help with koha installation |
| 04:48 | i am getting a gpg error when i update ubuntu | |
| 04:48 | after echo deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list | |
| 04:54 | eythian | http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/038057.html <-- harit |
| 04:57 | harit | still it says key expired |
| 04:58 | eythian | let me test... |
| 04:59 | ah, odd. I had someone test that when I updated it, and they said it worked. I guess not. | |
| 04:59 | One moment. | |
| 05:00 | harit | please |
| 05:01 | eythian | oh, I know what happened |
| 05:01 | when I updated the repo earlier, it overwrote the key with the old one | |
| 05:01 | try it again now. | |
| 05:02 | harit | ok just a sec |
| 05:02 | its good now | |
| 05:02 | thanks a ton | |
| 05:02 | eythian | no worries |
| 05:03 | harit | are you going to be here for a while, i am a new to koha |
| 05:03 | ill post if i do have some problem installing it | |
| 05:03 | eythian | not much longer, it's 5pm and I have a headache. |
| 05:03 | harit | oh sorry |
| 05:03 | eythian | but other people may be around |
| 05:04 | harit | oh k , thanks for your kind help |
| 05:08 | mtompset | It worked for me. |
| 05:08 | oh, nevermind... late to the conversation. :) | |
| 05:09 | eythian | yes, you'd hit the sweet spot in between me fixing it and then unfixing it again |
| 05:09 | https://twitter.com/shit_hn_says <-- concentrated wrong | |
| 05:11 | harit | oh , is it ok now |
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| 05:22 | harit | ./misc/sax_parser_print.pl |
| 05:23 | that gave out "no such file or directory" | |
| 05:23 | any help ?? | |
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| 05:28 | harit | ./misc/sax_parser_print.pl |
| 05:28 | that gave out " no such file or directory " | |
| 05:28 | eythian | why are you doing that? |
| 05:29 | harit | i was just following the instructions on the webpage |
| 05:29 | just to make sure nothing is wrong with the sax parser | |
| 05:29 | eythian | which webpage? |
| 05:29 | harit | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]stallation_Method |
| 05:30 | eythian | oh. the instructions are wrong there. |
| 05:30 | lemme check | |
| 05:30 | harit | oh god. |
| 05:30 | please | |
| 05:31 | eythian | try using '/usr/share/koha/bin/sax_parser_print.pl' instead of the command there |
| 05:31 | I'm not even sure that step is necessary any more, but it can't hurt. | |
| 05:32 | harit | it says koha wants something like |
| 05:32 | as shown in the previous page ive sent you | |
| 05:34 | eythian | yes |
| 05:34 | harit | you have XML:SAX::Expat=HASH() |
| 05:34 | eythian | so follow the instructions from there, they tell you what to do |
| 05:34 | harit | alright, can i trust that page. |
| 05:34 | you said they are wrong ?? | |
| 05:35 | eythian | Well, that bit was wrong. |
| 05:35 | I fixed it. | |
| 05:35 | harit | oh k |
| 05:35 | excellent | |
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| 05:43 | harit | its a little confusing, should i erase [XML::LibXML::SAX::Parser] http://xml.org/sax/features/namespaces=1 |
| 05:43 | and put it next to Expat in the file ? | |
| 05:43 | I mean after [XML::SAX::Expat] | |
| 05:45 | Oak | Ahoy me hearties! |
| 05:45 | hello mtompset | |
| 05:45 | eythian | harit: you should move those lines to the bottom of the file |
| 05:45 | mtompset | Oak! Long time no chat. |
| 05:46 | eythian | harit: or ask mtompset, he wrote the instructions :) |
| 05:46 | * eythian | leaves work |
| 05:46 | * mtompset | laughs. |
| 05:46 | mtompset | What instructions? |
| 05:46 | wahanui | instructions are coming right now to the wiki near you |
| 05:46 | mtompset | I have worked on the ubuntu instructions, yes. |
| 05:47 | harit | mtompset : I was confused by the Parserdetails editing |
| 05:48 | mtompset | It would be better to look at the packages page for Debian at this point in time. |
| 05:48 | you'll notice they don't have that. | |
| 05:48 | harit | can you please provide me a link |
| 05:49 | ? | |
| 05:49 | mtompset | It's at the top of the instructions. |
| 05:49 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze | |
| 05:49 | Oak | mtompset, well yes. :) |
| 05:51 | mtompset | Yes, well, I just split the instructions from a giant wall of text covering all types of installs this morning. |
| 05:51 | This is why the instructions are "in transition". | |
| 05:52 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]QL_Security_Tweak | |
| 05:52 | Though you will want to do this. | |
| 05:55 | If you are using Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, there are no missing dependencies. | |
| 05:55 | So, there's no need to go looking for anything missing. | |
| 06:02 | harit | when i modified the Parserdetails.ini when trying to save it says "Cant open file for writing" |
| 06:03 | mtompset can you help ? | |
| 06:03 | mtompset | sudo vi ... |
| 06:04 | harit | oh k thank you |
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| 06:19 | francharb | hello |
| 06:21 | mtj | hey francharbzZ |
| 06:22 | mtompset, i see your wiki stuff - looks good :) | |
| 06:23 | mtompset | I'm cleaning up the packages instructions, since we had our first confusion. :( |
| 06:24 | I think I have it cleaned up... | |
| 06:24 | Going to test myself right now. | |
| 06:27 | mtj | mtompset, have you thought about improving the tarball install process, via a cpanfile? |
| 06:27 | mtompset | cpanfile? |
| 06:27 | There's a ubuntu.packages file which already lists everything. | |
| 06:28 | (and a corresponding debian.packages file too) | |
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| 06:28 | mtj | … for distros other than debian/ubuntu |
| 06:28 | alex_a | bonjour! |
| 06:29 | mtompset | bonjour din po! ;) Okay, so I threw in some Tagalog. :) |
| 06:29 | din po is "also <polite marker>" | |
| 06:30 | Actually, I was hoping to have something that could nicely use a "koha_perl_deps.pl -b -r" listing. | |
| 06:30 | cait | morning all :) |
| 06:30 | mtompset | koha_perl_deps.pl -b -r does a listing of just the blah::blah that are required from PerlDependencies.pm |
| 06:30 | Morning, cait. | |
| 06:32 | Hmm... mtj, name another debian-based OS which is not debian or ubuntu... I'll try an experiment on it later. | |
| 06:35 | mtj | mtompset, consider Centos as a target for your tarball instructions |
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| 06:35 | mtj | … using a cpanfile |
| 06:36 | * mtompset | cries, "CentOS has to CPAN." |
| 06:36 | mtompset | There are 18 or so dependencies which can not be gotten otherwise. |
| 06:37 | mtj | … using a cpanfile |
| 06:38 | mtompset | I don't know what you mean by cpanfile, to be honest. |
| 06:38 | mtj | https://github.com/miyagawa/cpanfile |
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| 06:40 | mtompset | This sounds like something that wajasu is trying to integrate with koha_perl_deps.pl |
| 06:40 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:40 | mtompset | If he succeeds, then changing the tarball instructions to fit that is probably a good idea. |
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| 06:41 | mtj | or CPAN::Meta::Spec , or Module::Install, or carton |
| 06:41 | they all solve the same problem - pulling modules from CPAN, at a specific version | |
| 06:42 | mtompset | I'd rather figure out how to build from CPAN the dependencies, and then get RPM's hosted. |
| 06:43 | So they add the RPM repo, and all comes down nicely. | |
| 06:43 | mtj | ^^ if you are looking for a tasty pet-project for Koha, pick that one :) |
| 06:43 | mtompset | Unfortunately, I don't have the time to do that. |
| 06:45 | matts | hi ! |
| 06:50 | mtj | ooh, perlcritic errors now 390 from 671-> http://munin.kohaaloha.com/koh[…]m/perlcritic.html |
| 06:51 | mtompset | perlcritic of what? |
| 06:51 | mtj | koha |
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| 07:16 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 07:20 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:21 | mtompset | greetings, kf. |
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| 07:33 | kf | hi sophie_m :) |
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| 07:37 | mveron | Good morning #koha |
| 07:37 | kf | mveron++ :) |
| 07:37 | signing off like crazy | |
| 07:37 | harit | Now you can visit your admininstration website to continue with the Koha web installer. |
| 07:38 | what would that be | |
| 07:38 | mveron | Hi kf :-) |
| 07:38 | harit | and when i created an instance adduser : to avoid problems .. appears |
| 07:39 | need help with installation | |
| 07:39 | mveron | Comments welcome for Bug 4177 |
| 07:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4177 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , opaccloud missing from the system preferences interface |
| 07:40 | sophie_m | hi kf |
| 07:40 | kf | harit: with the information you gave so far it's a bit hard to help you |
| 07:40 | mtompset | Do you have a web browser? |
| 07:40 | kf | harit: which version are you installing? which OS? which steps have you taken so far? |
| 07:41 | harit | ubuntu |
| 07:41 | mtompset | I'll attempt this. :) |
| 07:41 | harit | i am done till the Pre web install step |
| 07:41 | mtompset | okay... |
| 07:42 | you finished the pre-web install step, or are you starting it? | |
| 07:42 | harit | when i type in sudoa2enmod rewrite i am getting an error |
| 07:42 | mtompset | THere's a space. |
| 07:42 | harit | yeh i created the config file |
| 07:43 | i am sorry i typed it wrong here not in the command line | |
| 07:43 | mtompset | paste? |
| 07:43 | wahanui | i heard paste was found at http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 07:43 | harit | here is the error |
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| 07:43 | mtompset | harit, click the link, and paste your koha-sites.conf there. |
| 07:43 | I'd like to make sure it makes sense. | |
| 07:45 | harit | yep i did it |
| 07:45 | mtompset | you forgot to set the channel, and your nick, and such... it didn't paste here. |
| 07:46 | kf | be careful with passwords |
| 07:46 | mtompset | The koha-sites.conf doesn't have any passwords. |
| 07:46 | kf | right |
| 07:47 | mtompset | But a good reminder to not paste something with passwords. :) |
| 07:47 | pastebot | "harit" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "DOMAIN=".ttcils.latech.edu" #" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/198 |
| 07:48 | harit | sorry now did it |
| 07:49 | yes | |
| 07:49 | mtompset | (for the opac) |
| 07:50 | harit | yes |
| 07:50 | mtompset | Okay, then there is nothing wrong with the file. |
| 07:50 | harit | but when i am typing in sudo a2enmod rewrite |
| 07:50 | mtompset | so then you typed 'sudo a2enmod rewrite' and got an error? |
| 07:51 | harit | it says module rewrite already enabled |
| 07:51 | mtompset | That's fine. |
| 07:51 | Okay... | |
| 07:51 | By the way, do a page refresh... I am tweaking the instructions. :) | |
| 07:52 | So, you will likely run the mysql database on the same server, so you'll need to install it. | |
| 07:52 | (which you may have already done) | |
| 07:52 | harit | ok |
| 07:52 | mtompset | if it is already the newest version, all is good. |
| 07:53 | harit | at the moment does the apache server have anything to show on the browser |
| 07:53 | mtompset | not yet. |
| 07:53 | harit | cause the instructions says "Now you can visit your admininstration website to continue with the Koha web installer." |
| 07:53 | mtompset | did you run koha-create already? |
| 07:54 | harit | yes i did |
| 07:54 | mtompset | sudo koha-create --create-db library... okay. |
| 07:54 | And you have the password? | |
| 07:54 | don't type it. | |
| 07:54 | harit | yes |
| 07:55 | i got it now | |
| 07:55 | mtompset | did you do the ubuntu mysql security tweak? |
| 07:55 | harit | last time i included the braces as a part of the syntax |
| 07:55 | mtompset | Oops... :) |
| 07:55 | harit | sudo koha-create --create-db {instancename} |
| 07:55 | mtompset | Oh... |
| 07:55 | you may wish to type: koha-list | |
| 07:56 | harit | ok |
| 07:56 | mtompset | how many things are listed? |
| 07:56 | harit | and i have a message from the apache |
| 07:56 | mtompset | slow down... let's go in order. |
| 07:56 | harit | could not reliably determine the servers fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 |
| 07:57 | mtompset | we'll deal with that after. |
| 07:57 | harit | no thats what i got after koha-create |
| 07:57 | ok | |
| 07:57 | mtompset | Right... but let's figure out if you accidentally created two instances first. |
| 07:57 | harit | ok |
| 07:57 | mtompset | type: koha-list. |
| 07:57 | (no period) | |
| 07:58 | harit | yep |
| 07:58 | mtompset | how many thing(s) are listed? |
| 07:58 | harit | just one library |
| 07:58 | mtompset | okay, good... I guess the {}'d version bombed. :) |
| 07:58 | harit | oh k |
| 07:59 | mtompset | let's triple check: ls /etc/apache2/sites-available |
| 07:59 | just default stuff and library, right? | |
| 08:00 | harit | letme check |
| 08:00 | it says no directory | |
| 08:01 | yes its here | |
| 08:01 | sorry | |
| 08:02 | yes | |
| 08:02 | just the default stuff and library | |
| 08:02 | mtompset | okay... now, to address your concern. |
| 08:02 | when you create the instance, it sets up apache config files. | |
| 08:03 | based on the file you pasted initially. | |
| 08:03 | harit | ok |
| 08:03 | mtompset | The problem is... the machine you are on, doesn't know what the ip address is for this. |
| 08:04 | So, when it doesn't know, it defaults to 127.0.0.1 or 127.0.1.1 | |
| 08:04 | harit | ok |
| 08:04 | mtompset | This is why we are going to edit /etc/hosts eventually, but not yet. |
| 08:04 | let's get through the other steps. | |
| 08:04 | harit | as you say |
| 08:05 | mtompset | Have you done the "Configuring the Character Set (Part 2)" steps? |
| 08:06 | harit | nop , as the mysql security tweak comes first |
| 08:06 | mtompset | you are using Ubuntu 12.04, correct? |
| 08:06 | harit | yes |
| 08:09 | mtompset | Sorry... phone call. |
| 08:09 | harit | thats fine , i really appreciate your help |
| 08:09 | mtompset | in the MySQL section, you want the last possibility for the my.cnf tweak. |
| 08:10 | and don't forget to add the optimization listed there too. | |
| 08:10 | harit | i didnt really understand your last two messages , can you rephrase |
| 08:11 | mtompset | The MySQL section of the configuring... is rather long. |
| 08:11 | harit | ok |
| 08:12 | mtompset | I'm telling you that rather than experiment with the first sample, or the second sample... |
| 08:12 | you want the third one. | |
| 08:12 | I probably should reverse the order on those. | |
| 08:12 | character-set-server=utf8 | |
| 08:12 | harit | ok |
| 08:12 | mtompset | skip-character-set-client-handshake |
| 08:13 | and make sure to add the next thing too. | |
| 08:13 | innodb_file_per_table | |
| 08:14 | Tell me when you have the apache and mysql steps done. | |
| 08:14 | harit | ok |
| 08:14 | just a min | |
| 08:16 | i am sorry to ask you again | |
| 08:16 | do you want me to perform the apache step first | |
| 08:16 | and then the tweak | |
| 08:17 | mtompset | I thought you already did the security tweak. |
| 08:17 | harit | no i didnt |
| 08:17 | mtompset | well, better do that first, before you forget. :) |
| 08:18 | harit | ok |
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| 08:19 | koyauni | please check whether this can work to help the community http://koha.dailyforum.net/index.php |
| 08:22 | drojf | koyauni: personally i think this will not help but fragment the community. we have mailing lists that one can alternatively use in the form of web forums and that way has worked well for years. i think it is not realistic to expect thousands (i suppose) subscribers to register at this forum instead. also using a mailing list has the very nice possibility to filter emails for certain subjects etc which i personally would not like to miss. just my opinion |
| 08:23 | and good morning #koha | |
| 08:24 | mtompset | http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 08:24 | If you scroll down to the bottom, there are already forum interfaces to the mailing lists. | |
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| 08:28 | mtompset | welcome back, harit. |
| 08:28 | harit | mtompset sorry my system was down |
| 08:29 | just a sec ill do the tweak | |
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| 08:33 | harit | i am done with the tweak |
| 08:33 | please tell me one step at a time, I am new to all these | |
| 08:34 | mtj | koyauni, i have considered importing many years of koha mailing-list history into phpbb |
| 08:35 | .. but it is very difficult :/ | |
| 08:35 | mtompset | harit: Okay... next step... make sure to refresh the page. |
| 08:36 | I'm tweaking it as we go through it, so others aren't as confused by it. | |
| 08:36 | harit | ok |
| 08:36 | mtompset | configuring the character set part2 |
| 08:36 | The apache part should be simple enough to do without explanation. | |
| 08:36 | harit | ok |
| 08:36 | mtompset | And again, don't worry about any messages you might see on the restart. |
| 08:37 | harit | ok |
| 08:37 | ill let u know when i am done | |
| 08:38 | mtj | koyauni, mail2forum is the only tool to do phpbb import, but it is a dead website/project |
| 08:38 | … and only works for phpbb2, not phpbb3 :( | |
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| 08:40 | harit | mtompset , Done with the charset part |
| 08:40 | mtompset | good, because I'm going through this document myself with a new VM. |
| 08:40 | Okay... | |
| 08:41 | harit | ok |
| 08:41 | mtompset | MySQL part... we're going to skim a bit, because I know what you need to do for 12.04 |
| 08:41 | harit | ok |
| 08:41 | mtompset | Scroll down to where it says: sudo nano /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 08:41 | harit | ok |
| 08:41 | mtompset | You are going to add the two lines directly below into the file. |
| 08:42 | harit | ok ill do it |
| 08:42 | mtompset | and then scrolling some more to the "add this optimization" in bold. |
| 08:42 | Add that third line, and save. | |
| 08:42 | mtj | koyauni, there are 12 years of Koha mailing-list history that we lose, if we switch to a new forum |
| 08:42 | -> http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/ | |
| 08:43 | Maxie2012 | Hi people out there! I'm writing from Singapore in the hopes that I could get some help re the KOHA systems as I'm TOTALLY new to this, but really interested to learn more about it. Can anyone help...? |
| 08:45 | drojf | Maxie2012: welcome. the first step is to learn the name ;) it is Koha, not KOHA. Koha is a maori word, not an acronym. the second step would be to read the manual at the koha website http://koha-community.org/documentation/ |
| 08:46 | Maxie2012 | My apologies....Koha... |
| 08:47 | Thank you for your referral...am taking note of the website | |
| 08:49 | harit | mtompset, i cant find add this optimization in the file |
| 08:49 | mtj | hi Maxie2012, i <3 Singapore :) |
| 08:49 | harit | and whats the third line there are only 2 in the instructions |
| 08:49 | mtompset | It's there are three boxes with similar examples. |
| 08:50 | you used the first one with only 2 lines. | |
| 08:50 | The FOURTH box. | |
| 08:50 | has in bold above it "add this optimization" | |
| 08:50 | Maxie2012 | Hi:) |
| 08:50 | mtompset | innodb_file_per_table |
| 08:51 | so you should have three lines added below [mysqld] in your my.cnf now. | |
| 08:51 | harit | ok should i add this line next to the first two |
| 08:51 | in my.cnf | |
| 08:51 | ok | |
| 08:51 | mtompset | That's where I put it. :) |
| 08:52 | save the changes, and restart the mysql server. | |
| 08:52 | mtj | Maxie2012, Ananda Bhavan restaurant++ :) |
| 08:52 | mtompset | sudo service mysql restart |
| 08:53 | harit | ok i did it |
| 08:53 | mtompset | no problems restartings? |
| 08:53 | (just confirming) | |
| 08:54 | harit | yep it just said "process 24778 " |
| 08:54 | mtompset | okay... fine. |
| 08:54 | next we need to make sure named virtual hosts is listening correctly. | |
| 08:54 | harit | ok |
| 08:54 | mtompset | That's the configuring apache section. |
| 08:55 | If the ports.conf file has those two lines uncommented, there are no changes needed. | |
| 08:55 | harit | can i edit the file ports.conf as said on the website |
| 08:55 | ok | |
| 08:56 | Maxie2012 | Actually...I need help....have a set of functional requirements for a library system and am looking for a customisable application |
| 08:56 | mtompset | Are any other websites going to run on this server, harit? |
| 08:56 | harit | nop |
| 08:56 | just koha | |
| 08:56 | drojf | Maxie2012: what do you need? |
| 08:56 | (koha can do everything ;) ) | |
| 08:57 | mtompset | then I'd go with the simpler "sudo a2dissite 000-default". |
| 08:57 | So, you've done that, harit? | |
| 08:57 | harit | mtompset , they are uncommented |
| 08:57 | mtompset | see, no changes. |
| 08:58 | harit | so should i run "sudo a2dissite 000-default" now |
| 08:58 | mtompset | sometimes, you don't have a clean environment, and there are other websites, so you have to check. |
| 08:58 | Yep. | |
| 08:58 | koyauni | I think we can have the mailing-list attached to the forum, with septate search field. You do not loose it but upgrade to something which is more widley feasible for average users. This will increase Koha's popularity, |
| 08:59 | mtompset | Now do the Enable Modules and Site section. :) |
| 08:59 | koyauni | mtj, maby we can istall phpbb2, import data into that format and then upgrade from phpbb2 to phpbb3+ |
| 08:59 | harit | mtompset, it said " TO activate the new configuration , you need to run : service apache2 reload" |
| 08:59 | mtompset | we'll get there. |
| 09:00 | Now do the Enable Modules and Site section. :) | |
| 09:00 | The last command does that. | |
| 09:00 | shoot... I see a problem. | |
| 09:00 | it shouldn't be sudo a2ensite koha. | |
| 09:01 | It should be sudo a2ensite library. | |
| 09:01 | harit | ok |
| 09:01 | mtj | koyauni, yes… maybe… but, the tool to import into phpbb2 no longer exists… :/ -> http://mail2forum.com |
| 09:01 | mtompset | Actually {instance name} |
| 09:02 | because not everyone chooses library.mydomain.whatever | |
| 09:02 | harit | ok |
| 09:03 | Maxie2012 | I'm looking to use Koha as a base for developing a standard application that I may eventually want to distribute. Is this possible...never worked with open source systems before & not sure about licensing etc...? |
| 09:03 | mtj | koyauni, and as Karam said, there are many forum software, that already intergrates with the Koha mailing-list |
| 09:03 | koyauni, -> http://koha-community.org/support/forums/ | |
| 09:04 | koyauni | this guys has the answer http://code.google.com/u/109921448489784888248/ |
| 09:04 | he is the owner | |
| 09:04 | mtompset | Okay, done that, harit? |
| 09:04 | harit | yes |
| 09:04 | i am done | |
| 09:04 | mtompset | This is where you need to know a little about your networking situation. |
| 09:05 | harit | i have a static ip |
| 09:05 | mtj | koyauni, there is no download at http://code.google.com/p/mail2forum :/ |
| 09:05 | mtompset | Great... So, you know it already? |
| 09:05 | harit | yes |
| 09:05 | mtj | koyauni, mail2forum is a 'dead' project |
| 09:05 | mtompset | Scroll down to the "Tweak Hosts File". |
| 09:06 | harit | ok |
| 09:06 | mtompset | Instead of 127.0.0.1, as in the example, you put your IP address. |
| 09:07 | Instead of library.framisdooby.org, etc... you put the fully qualified domain names. | |
| 09:07 | so library. (scrolling up to look what you said before)... you know what I mean, and library-intra.(same thing) | |
| 09:08 | Put those two lines at the bottom of the file. | |
| 09:08 | harit | so the second ip stays as it is ? |
| 09:08 | mtompset | both should be the same. |
| 09:09 | Maxie2012 | I'm also looking to possibly collaborate with someone to work on this project |
| 09:09 | mtompset | they both should be your static ip addresses. |
| 09:09 | koyauni | yes I know it is dead but we need the application only and it is here http://sourceforge.net/projects/m2f/ |
| 09:09 | mtj | koyauni, the question is 'why switch Koha to new forum software, when we have *5* already available?' |
| 09:09 | Gmane, Markmail, Nabble, ArchiveOrange, Mail Archive | |
| 09:10 | koyauni | they are not Forum, people can not login and create threads |
| 09:10 | it is a emails in with web interface | |
| 09:11 | mtompset | koyauni: you have a pretty narrow definition of forum. |
| 09:11 | koyauni | you will get 10 emails per day just because you sign in, this is not practical |
| 09:11 | mtompset | Don't subscribe to the mailing list. |
| 09:11 | Read it at the forums. | |
| 09:11 | koyauni | I see this as forum http://drupal.org/forum |
| 09:12 | mtompset | Have you saved it, harit? |
| 09:12 | harit | yes i did |
| 09:12 | just to double checl | |
| 09:12 | mtj | koyauni, there are people that *do* want 10 emails a day |
| 09:12 | mtompset | paste? |
| 09:12 | wahanui | somebody said paste was found at http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 09:12 | harit | one is library.ttcils.latech.edu |
| 09:13 | other is library-intra.ttcils.latech.edu | |
| 09:13 | koyauni | where the community find ONE place to look and interact on issues, this will make Koha to become more popular, and get some hint with first search, not looking for 12 years mailing list |
| 09:13 | mtompset | yes, because that is what you put into your conf file earlier. |
| 09:13 | koyauni | anyway, I am trying to get Koha to work for average users not computer programmer |
| 09:13 | harit | oh k |
| 09:14 | drojf | Maxie2012: it is free and open source software under GPL license. you can modify it as much as you like, even though it is preferred that you give back enhancements to the community. but you have to keep in mind that you have to keep the license, so you have to give users of your enhancemens (or fork if it will be a completely different version) the same right. if by "distributing" you mean "sell the software", that business model is not going to work s |
| 09:14 | mtompset | So, now you should be able to 'ping library-intra.ttcils.latech.edu' |
| 09:14 | and 'ping library.ttcils.latech.edu' | |
| 09:15 | from the koha server. | |
| 09:15 | koyauni | mtj, I am sure they do otherwise we would not have Koha today, but I am talking about average Liberian and teachers who relay on Koha, |
| 09:15 | harit | yes i was able to do that\ |
| 09:15 | mtompset | fantastic. |
| 09:16 | mtj | koyauni, phpbb will only be acceptable, if all mail history is imported |
| 09:16 | mtompset | now the question is... do you have access to a machine on the same network with a graphical browser? |
| 09:16 | harit | yes |
| 09:16 | koyauni | I think Koha will have much better future as community if it can up-to-date its community so a wider users can see the benefit and usability of the system. |
| 09:16 | drojf | koyauni: who do you think is going to answer all the questions if there are no 10 emails a day? personally i am not going to click through a web forum all day, so i would not read any questions |
| 09:16 | mtompset | Try: http://library-intra..... |
| 09:17 | (sorry, typing the name is prone to typos, so I didn't even try) | |
| 09:17 | mtj | and… phpbb will only be acceptable, if people can continue to participate via email |
| 09:18 | harit | i cant find it that way |
| 09:18 | mtompset | really? |
| 09:18 | wahanui | Of course! |
| 09:18 | drojf | koyauni: also a web forum has to have categories. and these categories never fit reality |
| 09:18 | mtompset | wahanui: forget really |
| 09:18 | wahanui | mtompset: I forgot really |
| 09:18 | koyauni | I think you should be able to reply via email to your threads, or a google group can work as well https://groups.google.com/foru[…]mgroups#!overview |
| 09:18 | mtj | koyauni, some people want forums - some people want emails - some people want both :) |
| 09:19 | koyauni | we keep both then :) |
| 09:19 | mtompset | okay... is this machine a windows box or another linux type box? |
| 09:19 | drojf | -1 for google |
| 09:19 | Maxie2012 | By "distibuting" what I meant was that I am looking to set up the application on a centralised server (...cloud computing kind of thing...?) and charge based on a user license fee. Would this not be possible? |
| 09:19 | harit | its running on ubuntu |
| 09:19 | mtompset | so your second machine is ubuntu desktop? |
| 09:20 | harit | no its a windows |
| 09:20 | mtompset | Ah... do you have administrative access on the machine? |
| 09:20 | mtj | koyauni, yes, some projects have both phpbb *and* mailing-lists - no problem |
| 09:21 | harit | mtompset , when i am typing the ip address in my browser its taking to koha under maintenance |
| 09:21 | mtompset | That's a good message. |
| 09:21 | harit | http://138.47.37.171/cgi-bin/koha/maintenance.pl |
| 09:21 | mtompset | It means the koha server is working. |
| 09:21 | mtj | koyauni, but, this is probably very tricky to set up (too tricky for me) |
| 09:22 | mtompset | The problem is you need to edit C:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts and put the same tweaks into it. |
| 09:23 | C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts | |
| 09:23 | Open notepad as an administrator. | |
| 09:23 | koyauni | this scan help http://webapps.stackexchange.c[…]-in-google-groups |
| 09:23 | drojf | Maxie2012: if by that you mean you provide hosting of koha instances for your clients then i guess that is what most koha service providers do |
| 09:23 | mtompset | open, all files, C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts |
| 09:24 | Add the same two lines you put into /etc/hosts into this file. | |
| 09:24 | and save it. | |
| 09:24 | harit | you mean on the windows machine which is on the network |
| 09:24 | mtompset | The problem is the koha server is expecting a NAME, and when you use the IP address in the URL, it doesn't know what to do, so it gives you the OPAC interface. |
| 09:25 | harit | do you mean under this |
| 09:25 | # localhost name resolution is handled within DNS itself. | |
| 09:25 | mtompset | right at the bottom. |
| 09:25 | yes. | |
| 09:28 | harit | just a min |
| 09:28 | ill do it | |
| 09:28 | koyauni | mtj, a google group is a link between those who wants Forum or Mailing list, that will cover both easier to use for our wider community |
| 09:29 | harit | i was unable it |
| 09:29 | mtompset | you need to run note pad as administrator. |
| 09:29 | harit | i did |
| 09:29 | i said filed opend at another location | |
| 09:29 | but there is no file opened | |
| 09:29 | mtompset | "run as administrator"? |
| 09:30 | koyauni | we need a admin for milainglist to start the group and use the instruction here (http://webapps.stackexchange.c[…]in-google-groups) to connect / import all mail from the 12 years |
| 09:30 | Maxie2012 | Yes, something like that....and as I mentioned....charge a user licence fee and any additional customisation services |
| 09:30 | mtj | koyauni , you cant import 12 years of Koha email history into a google-group :/ |
| 09:30 | koyauni | why, do they say it is too much to handle :) |
| 09:32 | mtompset | By the way, harit, why aren't the subdomain names that you gave working? |
| 09:32 | mtj | koyauni, no… google have designed this to be impossible :/ |
| 09:33 | Maxie2012 | :/But re your comments about "you have to give users of your enhancemens (or fork if it will be a completely different version) the same right".....sorry....don't really understand what that means |
| 09:33 | mtj | koyauni, there is no way to import email history in google-groups |
| 09:33 | harit | i got them from my network administrator, he said they work |
| 09:33 | mtompset | Probably only internally. |
| 09:34 | mbalmer | mveron? |
| 09:34 | wahanui | mveron is from switzerland, a koha developer and creating some nice new features! |
| 09:34 | harit | that might be possible , cause i connect via vpn to the server |
| 09:35 | Maxie2012 | if I customise it to my needs, does it still belong to the general public under the GPL licence? |
| 09:35 | mtompset | But your ip address is accessible externally. |
| 09:35 | I could set up my machine to configure you if I knew your password. ;) | |
| 09:35 | harit | i am so sorry i am not aware of all that |
| 09:35 | mtompset | I don't want to know it, harit. |
| 09:36 | harit | is there any other way to see the index page using the ip address |
| 09:36 | mtompset | We're going to do the install that text-based way. |
| 09:36 | that's why I wrote the instructions the way I did. | |
| 09:36 | This kind of configuration is a pain. | |
| 09:36 | slef | finally got to the bottom of bug 8738 |
| 09:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8738 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , DateTime object being compared to a date string in circulation |
| 09:37 | mtompset | on the koha server. |
| 09:37 | harit | ok |
| 09:37 | i have a problem | |
| 09:37 | mtompset | we're at the web isntallation step. |
| 09:37 | (forgive my misspelling) | |
| 09:37 | you probably don't have lynx, so you'll need to sudo apt-get it. | |
| 09:38 | slef | so the packages for koha-common 3.8.4 do not work right on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS |
| 09:38 | mtompset | What are you talking about slef? |
| 09:38 | drojf | Maxie2012: that depends what you are doing with it. if you use it in private, you can do what you want. if you release it in some way to the public, it a) has to be under the same license b) that license says you have to give out the source code too. i would argue that applies to offering webhosting of your changed version too but i am neither a lawyer nor a GPL expert. you may want to have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G[…]eral_Public_Licen |
| 09:38 | harit | mtompset, is that for me |
| 09:39 | mtompset | harit: sudo apt-get install lynx |
| 09:39 | slef | mtompset: bug 8738 means that if you install koha-common 3.8.4 on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, it will not circulate unless you do something further. |
| 09:40 | harit | mtompset, its done |
| 09:40 | mtompset | Tab to switch fields. |
| 09:40 | space to go through pages | |
| 09:41 | Q on a non-text field to quit | |
| 09:41 | Waylon | hey all |
| 09:41 | mtompset | harit: Just follow the web install steps. |
| 09:41 | It should be pretty simple. | |
| 09:42 | oh, and enter to click a button. | |
| 09:42 | harit | oh k is there no other way to access it from another web browser |
| 09:42 | via the ip | |
| 09:42 | mtompset | Okay... this is the wrong way to do it. |
| 09:43 | sudo nano /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library | |
| 09:43 | take the second section. and put a copy of it again in the file, and change the number to 8080. | |
| 09:44 | If that doesn't make sense, don't do anything. | |
| 09:45 | harit | yeh thats not really clear for me |
| 09:46 | mtompset | there are two sections in the file... it should be obvious. |
| 09:46 | harit | you mean the intranet section |
| 09:46 | mtompset | one is <VirtualHost *:80>....</virtualhost *:80> and then there is another. |
| 09:46 | Yes, that whole intranet section. | |
| 09:47 | harit | i can see <VirtualHost *:80> |
| 09:47 | in the section | |
| 09:47 | mtompset | paste? |
| 09:47 | wahanui | paste is found at http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 09:47 | mtompset | put your entire file there. |
| 09:48 | harit | i am sorry i cant export my file this is a diff computer |
| 09:49 | mtompset | then we've reached the point where your network administrator needs to solve your problems. |
| 09:50 | because until you get a machine that can use a NAMED url, OR the administrator tweaks the configuration to listen to some port for the Intranet.... | |
| 09:50 | (because I can't seem to describe it to you) | |
| 09:50 | harit | please give me a sec |
| 09:50 | mtompset | you won't be able to finish the web isntall. |
| 09:50 | harit | ill find a way to paste it |
| 09:52 | mtompset | Okay... I have a system to transfer... you'll have to say my name to get my attention. |
| 09:53 | harit | ok |
| 09:54 | Waylon | Maxie2012, you would have happier customers, and much more support from us, (because we would understand your problems) if you contribute to the koha community, and allow your users the freedom to choose venders, without locking them in. the koha-community concept is not a jail. Myself, im in the middle of upgrading a vender from koha 3.0 to koha 3.10, who did not track their developments at all. Because of it, I can get not as much |
| 09:54 | support from koha-community because well.. the modifications im having to port... no one remembers koha 3.0. Not really. So, some advice, use git checkouts, track your developments, and commit back to us, what seems useful. If your code is good, it could become part of koha (under GPL), your name in lights (ah.. okay, i lie there, your name in the changelog and the very long developers list), and more than likely, help if you need it. | |
| 09:55 | waylon? | |
| 09:55 | wahanui | Waylon: tell wahanui's bosses that the performance issue is because of the version, and there's no way to improve it unless they shell out to get the local modifications integrated. |
| 09:55 | Waylon | hrm. |
| 09:55 | wahanui, forget waylon | |
| 09:55 | wahanui | Waylon: I forgot waylon |
| 09:55 | Waylon | man, im forgotten so easily. |
| 09:56 | Maxie2012 | Hmmm....do you know of any forum/website or source where I could connect up with Koha developers whom might be interested to collaborate with me on this project..? |
| 09:57 | Waylon | Waylon is the 33rd developer of Koha, currently working for Mandumah.com, a digital library archive. Hes currently porting koha 3.0 modifications to Koha 3.10. |
| 09:58 | Maxie2012, hmmmmm.. theres the koha-devel mailing list, but theres also the paid support page. | |
| 09:58 | Maxie2012 | Hi Waylon, thank you for your response! |
| 09:59 | Waylon | koha-devel? |
| 09:59 | wahanui | i think koha-devel is probably the best list |
| 09:59 | Waylon | I think so too, but you don't give the url.. |
| 09:59 | harit | mtompset, Can i mail you soon after i speak to my administrator |
| 09:59 | can i have your mailing address | |
| 09:59 | Waylon | wahanui, forget koha-devel |
| 09:59 | wahanui | Waylon: I forgot koha-devel |
| 10:00 | mtompset | I'd rather not give out my email address. |
| 10:00 | But I will be here for a few more hours. | |
| 10:00 | Waylon | koha-devel is most likely the best koha list there is (Hey, Im a bot, im biased) and can be found at http://lists.koha-community.or[…]stinfo/koha-devel |
| 10:00 | Maxie2012, ^^ | |
| 10:01 | paid support? | |
| 10:01 | wahanui | please see http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ for a list of paid Koha support vendors. |
| 10:01 | harit | mtompset, Ok ill try to get back to you asap. I really appreciate your help |
| 10:01 | Maxie2012 | Hey Waylon, I am not sure what you mean in your message about "in the middle of upgrading a vender from koha 3.0 to koha 3.10, who did not track their developments at all. Because of it, I can get not as much"...?? |
| 10:01 | mtompset | Additionally, you are now at the stage where anyone here can help you... it's really getting the web install part to work in a friendly way for you. |
| 10:01 | harit | i will look into that |
| 10:02 | thank you sir | |
| 10:02 | Waylon | okay, hmm... koha 3.0 was born a long time ago, Maxie2012 .. alot has changed. the modifications to mandumah.com, if they were brought to 3.10 without editing or in some case, complete rewrite, would break koha. |
| 10:03 | and these modifications were not tracked at all. | |
| 10:05 | so, say you do your modifications, without tracking them, and you want to upgrade your koha to get the lastest bugfixes / features / speed improvements (koha is fast, but its going to get much faster. Solr and Plack support is in development) you would have to figure out what code you put into your koha, and put it into the new koha. | |
| 10:07 | Maxie2012 | hey Waylon....I am actually looking for experienced Koha developers (or a team) to collaborate with and develop a standard application to be hosted on the web |
| 10:07 | drojf | Maxie2012: what do you mean by standard application? |
| 10:07 | Waylon | Yes, that term needs definition. |
| 10:09 | koyauni | hello, is any one know how to upgrade 3.8 to 3.8.5? I installed 3.8 as common package, |
| 10:11 | drojf | answers are expected fast these days |
| 10:13 | mtompset | He's probably also frustrated that his idea is well, lacking and we've been telling him so. |
| 10:13 | kf | Maxie2012: if you install koha out of the box - you get a standard application |
| 10:13 | Maxie2012: I would advise against creating your own flavour of koha | |
| 10:19 | drojf | meh. seems like i got the git machine working again, but all permissions are screwed now so koha does not run. :( |
| 10:19 | Maxie2012 | "standard application" meaning tailor Koha to fit my set of specifications....what kf refers to as my own flavour..... |
| 10:19 | drojf | mveron: does not look like i will be able to sign off on bug 8812 today, sorry |
| 10:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8812 normal, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Staff Client: Patron search should display branch name instead of branch code in results table |
| 10:20 | drojf | Maxie2012: what kind of specifications would that be? also, why would you call your custom version a standard application? |
| 10:22 | kf | Maxie2012: maybe look into how the koha community works before making a decisition about this |
| 10:23 | Maxie2012: koha is highly configurable to fit a lot of different libraries needs - if you tailor it involving more than configuration changes, you will cut yourself off from the global development which will be very very very painful | |
| 10:23 | Maxie2012: the best way to do it is use Koha - and give back additional features changes you need so others can use and improve them | |
| 10:30 | mbalmer_ joined #koha | |
| 10:33 | Maxie2012 | Hey guys....thanks for all your ideas....I would really like to continue this conversation another day |
| 10:34 | If anyone is interested in a collaboration of sorts with me, I would love to talk further....those interested can contact me at mayexpertise-gp.com |
|
| 10:34 | bye all & thanks again:) | |
| 10:42 | slef | http://expertise-gp.com/ says "Server Error in '/' Application. ERROR [HY000] [MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver]Can't connect to MySQL server on '123.100.250.201' (10054) ..." |
| 10:42 | Anyone want to bet on "standard application" being Windows EXE? | |
| 10:44 | drojf | slef: it's a secret, but why not send an email to a person not answering any questions regarding the work? ;) |
| 10:44 | mtompset | <insert appropriate minced oath!> |
| 10:45 | slef | drojf: because I fear the costs of a collaboration with someone who "would love to talk further" but ignored your questions will exceed the rewards. |
| 10:45 | drojf | Version Information: Microsoft .NET Framework Version:2.0.50727.3634; ASP.NET Version:2.0.50727.3634 |
| 10:45 | * drojf | giggles |
| 10:46 | slef | is that old? |
| 10:46 | updated bug 8738 manually because my email doesn't seem to have appeared | |
| 10:46 | drojf | no idea, it's amusing to read microsoft .net on a server website anyway ;) |
| 10:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8738 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , DateTime object being compared to a date string in circulation |
| 10:47 | slef | drojf: bah, many UK council websites will throw that sort of exception when no-one is baby-sitting their servers :-/ the joke has worn thin |
| 10:47 | drojf | ugh |
| 10:48 | ms website says Visual Studio 2012 (with ASP.NET 4.5) | |
| 10:48 | so i assume it's old too | |
| 10:48 | slef | drojf: or some will throw that sort of exception if you reject their session cookies... or if you don't run their javascripts... or do any one of many other things which are perfectly fine under the eGovernment standards but not in reality. |
| 10:48 | </rant> | |
| 10:49 | drojf | .NET framework, stable release 4.5 (4.5.50709) / 15 August 2012; 41 days ago |
| 10:49 | slef: maybe he is going to do something similar for singapore :P | |
| 10:50 | slef | drojf: yay |
| 10:52 | drojf | 2.0.50727.42 7 November 2005 Visual Studio 2005 Windows Server 2003 R2 |
| 10:52 | it's only 8 years | |
| 10:52 | 7 even | |
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| 11:07 | Waylon | kf: hi? |
| 11:07 | * wahanui | waves |
| 11:08 | kf | hi Waylon |
| 11:08 | hi wahanui | |
| 11:09 | Waylon | im thinking, kf, that the limitsearch to multibranches pref.. whatever the pref is going to be named, will override SearchMyLibraryFirst, will say so in its pref text. |
| 11:10 | since its basically a complete lockdown, with security checks, to ensure the user isn't actually trying to break into the other branches. | |
| 11:11 | make sense? | |
| 11:11 | kf | if it's documented I see no problem |
| 11:11 | maybe add a note to Serchmylibrary first too | |
| 11:11 | that it won't work in combination with the other | |
| 11:12 | Waylon | rigtht. |
| 11:12 | hmm.. name..name..... Whats in a name... | |
| 11:12 | its not exclusively multibranch limiting either. | |
| 11:13 | kf | is there a chance you could roll them into one pref? |
| 11:13 | with 3 settings? | |
| 11:13 | Waylon | it will work, (ill make it work) with the standard one branch system. |
| 11:13 | kf | only an idea |
| 11:13 | Waylon | so its a hypersecure SearchMyLibraryFirst |
| 11:13 | kf | hm yeah and more, because can be more than one branch |
| 11:14 | it's an interesting feature | |
| 11:14 | Waylon | Right. Yeah.. preference planning.. eh.... |
| 11:16 | "Search patron branch(es) security: All branches / Just patrons own branch by default, but allow others to be used / Lock it down completely, only my branch(es) can be searched "? | |
| 11:17 | what you think, kf? | |
| 11:18 | kf | hmm |
| 11:18 | not a native speaker :( | |
| 11:18 | I think jcamins maybe might have an idea | |
| 11:18 | but... heis not here | |
| 11:18 | I think rolling them into one would help people not making mistakes | |
| 11:19 | so I really think that would be a good thing to do | |
| 11:19 | can only have one valid setting then | |
| 11:19 | Waylon: would you mind asking in an hour or so again? when some of US is awake? | |
| 11:19 | Waylon | yeah. |
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| 11:33 | mveron | Maxie |
| 11:33 | ? | |
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| 11:36 | nengard | morning all |
| 11:36 | Waylon | morning! |
| 11:36 | wahanui | morning is, like, a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast |
| 11:36 | Waylon | i see what you mean, kf. |
| 11:36 | ill give it 30 min more. | |
| 11:38 | * mveron | was pinged directly by Maxie2012. Anybody else? |
| 11:39 | kf | not me |
| 11:39 | maybe ask nengard, Waylon | |
| 11:40 | Waylon | now? or wait a little more for people to wake up? |
| 11:44 | nengard | I'm here |
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| 11:46 | kf | oh und jcamins_away :) |
| 11:46 | jcamins_away | kf: yes? |
| 11:47 | kf | Waylon has a system prefernece to phrase |
| 11:47 | Waylon | okay, now we can do it i guess. |
| 11:47 | kf | I suggested merging the searchmylibrary first and his approach into one - because it does not work when the other is activated |
| 11:48 | Waylon | "Search patron branch(es) security: All branches / Just patrons own branch by default, but allow others to be used / Lock it down completely, only my branch(es) can be searched "? |
| 11:48 | kf | so we wouldn't have to have notes like ' don't activate together with' |
| 11:48 | Waylon | the "just patrons .. by default" is SearchMyLibraryFirst.. as its not secure at all. |
| 11:49 | its just an appearance thing. | |
| 11:49 | jcamins_away | That makes sense to me. |
| 11:50 | Waylon | and "Lock it down completely" is where my multibranch code comes into full effect, sanity checking and limiting the search input. |
| 11:50 | but.. yeah.. nengard jcamins_away .... could you give me better wording? | |
| 11:53 | jcamins_away | I will have to think about this. |
| 11:53 | I just woke up. | |
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| 11:54 | Waylon | sure. |
| 11:56 | nengard | Waylon how about this: "All branches / Just patrons' own branch (others may be searched) / Only patrons' branch can be searched " |
| 11:56 | Why did you have branch(es) -- are you giving patrons a way to have more than one branch? | |
| 11:56 | If so you can add that back in - but right now it's 1 brach to 1 patron | |
| 11:56 | Waylon | Yes. a multibranch system using borrower_attributes |
| 11:56 | nengard | Okay then go ahead and change that bit, but the rest I think work |
| 11:56 | works | |
| 11:57 | jcamins_away | That sounds good to me. :) |
| 11:57 | Waylon | So yeah, what you think of the idea? |
| 11:57 | nengard | I don't have any libraries that need it, but it sounds good if someone does need it |
| 11:59 | Waylon | whats a good shortname for this, you think? |
| 11:59 | searchsecurity? | |
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| 12:00 | kf | Waylon: if the multibranch requires a authorised value or something, maybe also add a note where it can be configured |
| 12:00 | searchablebranches ? | |
| 12:00 | ah | |
| 12:00 | SearchableLibraries | |
| 12:01 | nengard: I think we decided some time ago to make it library everywhere, but I think branch has come back, not sure now | |
| 12:01 | Waylon | kf: right. multibranch is in opac i think... as independantbranch is? |
| 12:01 | nengard | you're right so |
| 12:01 | mveron | We should have a bug option like 'Deferred' for cases like Bug 4177 |
| 12:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4177 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , opaccloud missing from the system preferences interface |
| 12:01 | nengard | "All libraries / Just patrons' home library (others may be searched) / Only patrons' home library can be searched " |
| 12:01 | mveron | We have 1309 bugs marked as new, most of them are obsolete I think, but they hide cases like this one. |
| 12:01 | drojfx | kf: at what time did i say i'd format the sd card? |
| 12:02 | nengard | Waylon and kf ^^ see my language change |
| 12:02 | Waylon | only patrons home library/libraries |
| 12:02 | kf | mveron: I think more importatn we should mark them closed when the new rlease is out |
| 12:02 | lots of them | |
| 12:02 | so we get rid of all those fixed bugs showing up in searches | |
| 12:03 | mveron | kf: Agree... |
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| 12:10 | Waylon | SearchableLibraries = all/preferhome/securehome? |
| 12:11 | kf_afk | Waylon: sounds good to me now - |
| 12:12 | * Waylon | nods. |
| 12:12 | Waylon | I'll make it so. |
| 12:23 | "All libraries / Just patrons' home library (others may be searched) / Only patrons' home library and assigned libraries can be searched? | |
| 12:23 | or other assigned libraries? | |
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| 12:26 | oleonard | Mmmm.... Breakfast. |
| 12:26 | * oleonard | is ready for his second breakfast |
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| 12:28 | Waylon | okay, bedtime i think |
| 12:28 | night all | |
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| 12:47 | mtompset | Nice... system transferred, restyled, reindexed all in less than 3 hours. |
| 12:48 | And now that we're on packages... any further updates will be much faster. :) | |
| 12:49 | * oleonard | feels the sharp sting of nengard's whip |
| 12:50 | mtj | ... or a Japanese pop singer |
| 12:51 | * oleonard | also feels the sharp sting of a Japanese pop singer's whip |
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| 12:52 | druthb | This says something about you, oleonard, that I'm not sure I'm better off knowing... :P |
| 12:52 | nengard | oleonard - I added the :) so that it didn't sound that way ? was just trying to get their tweets seen by the right people |
| 12:52 | did it sound rude?? | |
| 12:52 | oleonard | No, I'm just cracking wise |
| 12:52 | * nengard | is sensitive this week |
| 12:53 | nengard | but good to hear |
| 12:53 | mtompset | oleonard: Why did you feel the sting of the whip? Is one of those your twitter id? |
| 12:54 | oleonard | mtompset: It was purely sympathetic |
| 12:54 | * oleonard | is @oleonard if you're curious mtompset |
| 12:54 | * mtompset | nods in understanding. |
| 12:54 | mtompset | I am trying to avoid twitter. |
| 12:55 | nengard | it can be very helpful |
| 12:55 | * druthb | is cleverly disguised as @druthb. |
| 12:55 | nengard | I get lots of answers to my questions on twitter |
| 12:55 | mtompset | Is that what facebook is for? |
| 12:55 | * kf_afk | won't tell :P |
| 12:55 | mtompset | Or is it... snail mail > email > facebook > twitter? |
| 12:56 | * druthb | goes :P at kf_afk, who apparently isn't, after all. |
| 12:56 | oleonard | I wouldn't want to ask a tech question via snail mail |
| 12:57 | mtompset | sneaker net baby... all the way. ;) |
| 12:57 | * kf_afk | is now |
| 12:58 | mtompset | And where do avian carriers fit in? |
| 12:58 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I[…]er_Avian_Carriers | |
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| 13:06 | * oleonard | does a double-take between the two huginns |
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| 13:36 | mtompset | Greetings, tcohen. |
| 13:36 | Looks like we had a nice blip. | |
| 13:37 | oleonard: Did you survive the blip? | |
| 13:37 | oleonard | blip? |
| 13:38 | mtompset | lots of comings and goings. |
| 13:38 | Though, I suppose it wasn't a blip, given the time span. | |
| 13:38 | oleonard | Just a quiet morning. |
| 13:39 | libsysguy | anybody use emacs? |
| 13:40 | I feel like every solution I come up with to replace tabs in my code with spaces fail | |
| 13:40 | * mtompset | cringes, "meta-meta-host-what key next?!" |
| 13:40 | libsysguy | heh |
| 13:40 | * libsysguy | has octopus fingers now |
| 13:41 | oleonard | libsysguy: I hope you're replacing tabs with spaces only on lines you have changed? |
| 13:41 | libsysguy | yeah |
| 13:41 | oleonard | Cool. |
| 13:41 | tcohen | what does blip stand for? |
| 13:41 | mtompset | quiet morning? Too bad it is Tuesday... Made me think of Manic Monday: http://youtu.be/47v-Zm-9Wgg |
| 13:42 | * oleonard | is not clicking that link under any circumstances |
| 13:43 | mtompset | It's just the youtube link to Manic Monday, but I understand you not clicking it. |
| 13:43 | * oleonard | is old enough to have lived through that song being in regular rotation, had plenty of it then |
| 13:45 | tcohen | blip =~ Manic Monday ? |
| 13:45 | oleonard | blip = when the IRC server moves everyone to another machine and there is a mass exit/entrance (I assume) |
| 13:45 | mtompset | no that was a non-related consecutive thought. |
| 13:45 | Yes, that's what I meant, oleonard. | |
| 13:46 | tcohen | "A short high-pitched sound made by an electronic device." says google |
| 13:46 | mtompset | that too. |
| 13:46 | blip has multiple meanings. | |
| 13:46 | Since we are on IRC, the context clarifies that it isn 't a sound. | |
| 13:46 | oleonard | tcohen: I would contend that mtompset's usage is non-standard |
| 13:47 | tcohen | i just thought it was a joke related to that girls pitch |
| 13:47 | mtompset | no, no joke. |
| 13:48 | * Guest8171 | reads the backlog, wonders why the cindi lauper hate |
| 13:48 | oleonard | cyndi lauper?! |
| 13:48 | mtompset | It was not cyndi lauper. |
| 13:48 | * oleonard | wags his finger at wizzyrea |
| 13:48 | wizzyrea | fine fine. |
| 13:48 | mtompset | The bangels. |
| 13:49 | wizzyrea | oh ha right it was the bangles |
| 13:49 | * wizzyrea | even liked the bangles |
| 13:49 | wizzyrea | I'm sure you can imagine |
| 13:49 | * tcohen | is more a Bad Religion's guy |
| 13:49 | mtompset | cyndi lauper... the only thing that quickly comes to mind is girl's just wanna have fun. |
| 13:49 | wizzyrea | in my younger, more impressionable days I probably listened to many things that we would consider "bad" |
| 13:50 | see: bangles | |
| 13:50 | mtompset | oleonard: definition 7 sort of on dictionary.reference.com |
| 13:51 | Never heard of Bad Religion. | |
| 13:51 | Listening to American Jesus now. | |
| 13:52 | tcohen | 'Los Angeles is burning' |
| 13:55 | mtompset | not what I'd normally listen to, but they are rather lyrical for the style of music they are playing. |
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| 14:07 | nengard | jcamins bug 8818 |
| 14:07 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8818 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Authority linker error on Z cataloging |
| 14:08 | nengard | :( |
| 14:08 | jcamins | nengard: I'll take a look when I can. |
| 14:08 | tcohen | anyone in the QA team to take a look at bug 8800? |
| 14:08 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8800 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour |
| 14:09 | jcamins | And we're sure that this is not the same as the last bug relating to this, just with a usable test case this time around? |
| 14:09 | (I presume I'll be able to reproduce it, anyway) | |
| 14:09 | nengard | jcamins you asking me? |
| 14:09 | I'm not sure what the last bug relating to this was | |
| 14:10 | jcamins | nengard: right. I already patched a bug talljoy reported about the linker not working with Z39.50. |
| 14:10 | Actually, that's not true. | |
| 14:10 | nengard | oh .. do you know that bug number? ?. okay nevermind |
| 14:10 | hehe | |
| 14:10 | jcamins | I patched a bug that wajasu *thought* was the same as the bug talljoy reported. |
| 14:11 | I suppose we don't actually know if it was the same bug. | |
| 14:11 | nengard | okey dokey |
| 14:11 | well I'll leave mine alone for now | |
| 14:11 | jcamins | If it's the same bug, you might try the patch. |
| 14:11 | talljoy might remember the bug number. | |
| 14:16 | And the more information you can provide the better, because if this is anything like that one, I may never be able to reproduce it, so it will be a matter of logic to track it down. | |
| 14:18 | libsysguy: in answer to your earlier question about replacing tabs, easy peasy. Ctrl-X Ctrl-Q v i m <Return> | |
| 14:19 | libsysguy | ... |
| 14:19 | * libsysguy | is not amused jcamins :p |
| 14:19 | * jcamins | is _very_ amused. |
| 14:19 | mtompset | And thus began the editor wars. ;) |
| 14:20 | libsysguy | and for the record it would be Crtl-x Crtl-c v i m <Return> |
| 14:21 | followed by *sh*t sh*t* | |
| 14:21 | then :q <Return> | |
| 14:21 | jcamins | lol |
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| 14:26 | tcohen | a question on git |
| 14:26 | suppose i set our own git repo following 3.8 | |
| 14:26 | and want to have our patched applied | |
| 14:27 | but still follow the official 3.8/ | |
| 14:27 | what will happen t git when my patch gets officially pushed? | |
| 14:27 | jcamins | tcohen: merge in an integration branch. |
| 14:27 | "in" was a bad word to use there. | |
| 14:27 | Merge *into* an integration branch. | |
| 14:28 | tcohen | so I create a special branch fr the task of integrating |
| 14:28 | jcamins | When it gets pushed upstream, you will either get a conflict with no changes, or it will inform you that the patch was already merged upstream. |
| 14:28 | That's what I do. | |
| 14:29 | tcohen | after integrating, do u push into your current 3.8 branch? |
| 14:30 | or do u use your integration branch for production? | |
| 14:30 | jcamins | I use the integration branch in production. |
| 14:31 | Well, I use packages generated off of my integration branch in production. | |
| 14:31 | tcohen | yes, that's my plan now I have the knowledge :-D |
| 14:32 | will try going live with bug 8773 + own packages | |
| 14:32 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup |
| 14:32 | jcamins | tcohen++ |
| 14:33 | * jcamins | would like to test that. |
| 14:33 | tcohen | wajasu did |
| 14:34 | jcamins | More testing is always good. |
| 14:34 | And I think your daemon script is probably superior to the one I'm currently using. | |
| 14:36 | * jcamins | has never quite figured out init/rc. |
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| 14:37 | tcohen | yeah, i provided wajasu with the debs for testing. |
| 14:38 | in fact, i learned to build the packages just for wajasu :-D | |
| 14:38 | * jcamins | remembers. |
| 14:39 | jcamins | :) |
| 14:48 | tcohen | what do #koha think of hiding the status=pushed from the default search? |
| 14:49 | (talking about bugzilla) | |
| 14:50 | jcamins | tcohen: it drives me nuts, but I think there's no way to fix it. |
| 14:50 | I created a special "All my bugs" saved search to show me those. | |
| 14:51 | mtompset | I'm attempting a 3.8 install on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. |
| 14:52 | tcohen | i guess your idea is the solution for now jcamins |
| 14:52 | jcamins | Have fun with that. |
| 14:52 | mtompset | Had to update http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing_Koha_packages |
| 14:52 | It was missing a couple things to hack,.\ | |
| 14:55 | i'm also downloading the tar file just so I can run koha_perl_deps.pl to be sure I didn't miss anything. | |
| 14:56 | tcohen | if you ask me mtompset, i'd avoid using dpkg --set-selections ; dselect install |
| 14:57 | its installing i386 stuff again | |
| 14:57 | mtompset | can you trace the bit that is grabbing the i386 stuff? |
| 14:57 | tcohen | its strange, as installing the same packages using apt-get install doesn't have that behaviour |
| 14:57 | how do I tell dselect to present the dependency tree? | |
| 14:58 | mtompset | i'm not familiar with dselect. :( |
| 14:58 | It's the yaz messing you up? | |
| 14:59 | jcamins | mtompset: that set of instructions on the wiki has met great success, so really all you should need to do is add any missing dependencies. |
| 15:04 | I have an opinion question for someone from France: does the summer of 1914 come before or after the winter of 1914? | |
| 15:04 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:04 | jcamins | Aww. |
| 15:05 | He would've known the answer. | |
| 15:06 | tcohen | its the same hemisphere as yours? |
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| 15:07 | jcamins | tcohen: yeah, but it's a cultural thing whether "winter" is January or December. |
| 15:08 | oleonard | jcamins: I would think it's ambiguous. In some cultures it isn't? |
| 15:08 | jcamins | oleonard: it's always ambiguous, but depending on where you are, it tends to go one way or the other. |
| 15:09 | oleonard | Interesting. I would consider it squarely ambiguous, if one can say such a thing. |
| 15:12 | jcamins | oleonard: part of it is when it starts getting cold, I think. |
| 15:13 | Since no one from France has an opinion, I have decided that winter precedes summer. | |
| 15:17 | oleonard | So let it be written. |
| 15:17 | mtompset | Can't it be both? |
| 15:18 | jcamins | mtompset: not when I'm putting books in order, no. |
| 15:20 | tcohen | i hate dselect |
| 15:20 | jcamins | tcohen: perhaps we should change back to the old way of doing things? There used to be an apt-get script. |
| 15:20 | Instead of generating .packages files, we could generate .sh scripts that run apt-get. | |
| 15:20 | tcohen | I'd agree |
| 15:21 | is dselect a default on debian? | |
| 15:21 | (not in ubuntu) | |
| 15:22 | jcamins | tcohen: no. |
| 15:23 | tcohen: it was initially used only for Ubuntu. | |
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| 15:28 | tcohen | i guess because aptitude usage was discouraged in ubuntu 11.04+ |
| 15:30 | jcamins | tcohen: I don't think so. We had a .packages file for 9.04, I think. |
| 15:31 | * mtompset | smirks, "dselect works -- for i386" |
| 15:31 | mtompset | 9.04? |
| 15:32 | There wasn't a 9.04 when I was looking at it. | |
| 15:32 | jcamins | mtompset: is that Jaunty Jackalope? |
| 15:32 | mtompset | Though, there were instructions talking about Jaunty. |
| 15:32 | I think so. | |
| 15:34 | tcohen | doing: for i in $(cat ubuntu.12.04.packages| grep -v "#" | cut -f1) ; do debtree $i 2>/dev/null | grep -q i386 && echo $i ; done |
| 15:34 | no package generates that i386 dependency | |
| 15:35 | damn | |
| 15:35 | it must be my box that is busted | |
| 15:35 | jcamins | tcohen: no, someone else managed to reproduce that problem. |
| 15:36 | tcohen | maybe its a deselect bug |
| 15:36 | related to multiarch support... | |
| 15:38 | mtompset | well, this sucks... it looks like I would have to CPAN DateTime for 10.04 |
| 15:38 | jcamins | You know what Koha needs to be enterprisey? |
| 15:38 | An error message that says "NO CONNECTIONS AVAILABLE : All available connections to the XX Catalog are in use. Please try again in a few minutes." | |
| 15:39 | _That_ is enterprisey. | |
| 15:39 | mtompset | I was hoping for a "koha-just-install-it-now" command that did everything automagically. |
| 15:40 | jcamins | lol |
| 15:40 | mtompset: you couldn't have been expecting it, though, given that there was just a conversation on the list about how CPANing it on 10.04 was the only option. | |
| 15:40 | libsysguy | I was thinking we'd rebase the whole thing on JAVA |
| 15:40 | jcamins | lol |
| 15:41 | * mtompset | laughs. |
| 15:41 | jcamins | Wow. |
| 15:41 | oleonard | jcamins: While we're at it can we please add session-dependent detail pages? I can't stand that our links are so darn persistent. |
| 15:41 | jcamins | LC has some great call numbers and notes in their catalog. |
| 15:41 | mtompset | Actually, there are THREE dependencies. |
| 15:42 | jcamins | "SB356 .F75 FT MEADE Do Not Serve" Request in: "Unavailable: Contact Collections Officer, CALM" |
| 15:42 | mtompset | DateTime, DateTime::TimeZone (which I think is possible with some dancing), and Template. |
| 15:42 | * jcamins | runs around waving his arms around being uncalm. |
| 15:43 | jcamins | mtompset: are you sure? Template::Toolkit used to be available on 10.04. |
| 15:44 | mtompset | It is... but it is 2.20 |
| 15:44 | requirement says 2.22 | |
| 15:45 | Similarly DateTime is 0.52, but requirement says 0.58 | |
| 15:45 | slef | yeah and that breaks stuff |
| 15:45 | jcamins | DateTime version matters, but I'm not sure TT version does. |
| 15:45 | slef | use deb make perl |
| 15:45 | or whatever it's called | |
| 15:45 | don't just cpan stuff, else a kitten dies | |
| 15:46 | or your server grows a forest of conflicting module namespaces and versions, just as likely | |
| 15:47 | libsysguy | dang it I stepped away and missed all the laughing |
| 15:47 | * libsysguy | is now sad |
| 15:47 | tcohen | slef, do u know what the actual command is? |
| 15:47 | * kf_afk | missed it too |
| 15:47 | slef | tcohen: no but I can look it up |
| 15:47 | libsysguy | everybody always gets a good chuckle out of a JAVA rebase kf_afk |
| 15:48 | kf_afk | oh, someone threatened to rewrite koha in java again? |
| 15:48 | libsysguy | I did, but in sarcasm |
| 15:48 | slef | oh did tcohen not want to know? |
| 15:48 | dh-make-perl --build --cpan DateTime | |
| 15:48 | libsysguy | mtompset said something about making Koha enterprise |
| 15:48 | slef | @later tell tcohen dh-make-perl --build --cpan DateTime |
| 15:48 | huginn` | slef: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:50 | kf_afk | I see |
| 15:53 | mtompset | same problem with Template. There's no way to upgrade without a CPAN -- or painfully updating perl. |
| 15:54 | jcamins | mtompset: I still don't think that the TT version matters. |
| 15:54 | mtompset | So would that be another dependency lower? |
| 15:54 | jcamins | I think we could lower it, yes. |
| 15:55 | You'd have to test that, though. | |
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| 15:58 | mtompset | how would I test that? |
| 15:58 | jcamins | mtompset: View all the pages? |
| 15:58 | mtompset | every single page?! |
| 15:59 | jcamins | Or most of them. |
| 15:59 | wahanui | most of them are pretty small |
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| 16:02 | mtompset | Well, I'm calling it a night. |
| 16:02 | Even though it is now morning. | |
| 16:02 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ages#Dependencies | |
| 16:02 | I did update 10.04 dependencies listed there. | |
| 16:03 | Template and DateTime are the only two problems for 3.8 | |
| 16:03 | jcamins | mtompset: I was using 3.6 on Ubuntu 10.04 until... |
| 16:04 | mtompset | 3.6 should work okat on 10.04 |
| 16:04 | jcamins | Mayish, I think. |
| 16:04 | Template Toolkit is not a new requirement to 3.8. | |
| 16:06 | mtompset | But TT was prior to 3.6, wasn't it? |
| 16:07 | jcamins | We changed to TT for 3.4. |
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| 16:09 | mtompset | I may have CPAN'd it for my tarball install. |
| 16:10 | I love how my 10.04 is telling me to upgrade to 12.04 | |
| 16:11 | jcamins | mtompset: well, it is EOLed or nearly so, isn't it? |
| 16:12 | mtompset | No, support is until April 2014? |
| 16:12 | Or is it 215. | |
| 16:12 | jcamins | April 2013. |
| 16:12 | 2015 if you're paying for server support, I think. | |
| 16:12 | mtompset | No, 2015 is the SERVER version. |
| 16:12 | 2013 is the DESKTOP version. | |
| 16:13 | jcamins | Oh, I thought that was the type of support you were paying for. |
| 16:13 | mtompset | no, it's for the version you download. |
| 16:13 | (unlike debian) | |
| 16:14 | jcamins | Well, I still think that you don't need to CPAN Template Toolkit on 10.04. |
| 16:15 | Actually, I can check whether I did. | |
| 16:18 | I did not. It worked fine. | |
| 16:18 | Possibly there was a problem with zebra-striping tables. | |
| 16:19 | oleonard | "I'm in this hole, and you're handing me a ladder? I need a shovel!" |
| 16:19 | * oleonard | gripes about "Cataloguing authorities 3.6/3.8" on the list |
| 16:22 | jcamins | oleonard: yeah, I don't know how to respond to that. |
| 16:22 | I'm thinking "you're right, this is a terrible way to do things. If you won't listen to advice, and you won't, you're on your own." | |
| 16:23 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 16:24 | libsysguy | so mtj failed my patch on tabs |
| 16:24 | when I re-submit it should I mark it as still signed off | |
| 16:24 | jcamins | libsysguy: if that's all he failed it on, you're doing pretty well. :P |
| 16:24 | Yes. | |
| 16:24 | libsysguy | or needs signoff |
| 16:24 | wahanui | needs signoff are the oldest now? or random? |
| 16:24 | jcamins | Still signed off. |
| 16:24 | wahanui | i think signed off is the queue the QA team should watch |
| 16:24 | jcamins | passed qa |
| 16:24 | wahanui | it has been said that passed qa is the queue paul should watch |
| 16:24 | libsysguy | ok, what about wajasu's signoff flag |
| 16:25 | since its not in my version | |
| 16:25 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 16:25 | Guess it's too late to do a follow-up? | |
| 16:25 | libsysguy | nope |
| 16:25 | I can do that too | |
| 16:25 | jcamins | Then just do a follow-up. |
| 16:26 | libsysguy | kk |
| 16:29 | frack | |
| 16:29 | now i effed up git | |
| 16:30 | jcamins | libsysguy: *again*? |
| 16:31 | * libsysguy | hangs head |
| 16:31 | libsysguy | yes |
| 16:31 | jcamins | What are you doing? |
| 16:31 | libsysguy | is tempted to copy and paste wajasu's sign off :p |
| 16:31 | jcamins | I mean, generally speaking. |
| 16:31 | libsysguy | well i did a commit —amend |
| 16:32 | instead of a commit | |
| 16:32 | jcamins | This is the third time in as many days. |
| 16:32 | libsysguy | not paying attention |
| 16:32 | jcamins | Oh, you know what I do? |
| 16:32 | I check out the signed-off patch, then make the changes on top of it. | |
| 16:32 | libsysguy | git reset —hard HEAD^ |
| 16:32 | jcamins | Nah, that way lies real work. |
| 16:33 | If I want to split it, I then check out all the changed files from the amended branch. | |
| 16:34 | libsysguy | hmm |
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| 17:59 | * cait | waves |
| 18:00 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org The next general meeting is 10 October 2012 10 UTC | |
| 18:00 | oleonard | Hi cait |
| 18:02 | cait | hi oleonard :) |
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| 18:06 | mib_906r1e | Hi - just looking for some pointers on how to troubleshoot a OPAC/Staff searching problem. Bibs are showing in searches but do when I put the biblionumber in the URL |
| 18:06 | upgraded from 3.6 to 3.8.3 then to 3.8.5 | |
| 18:06 | sorry, should be: bibs are not showing in searches | |
| 18:07 | oleonard | searching faq? |
| 18:07 | wahanui | searching faq is probably at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ |
| 18:07 | oleonard | mib_906r1e: Have you looked at that FAQ for help? |
| 18:07 | mib_906r1e | yep, I have! |
| 18:08 | What is strange is that if an item attached to a biblio (that isn't showing) is checked in, the biblio then shows in search! Rebuild the index - biblio gone again! | |
| 18:10 | jcamins | mib_906r1e: sounds like you are running rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r as the wrong user. |
| 18:10 | You will need to correct your permissions, and reindex. | |
| 18:11 | mib_906r1e | all permission are set correctly, as far as I can tell. There is no error on rebuild.pl -v -v ? Would a permission error not show an error? |
| 18:12 | jcamins | mib_906r1e: it might, or it might not. |
| 18:12 | Zebra's error reporting is staggeringly useless. | |
| 18:13 | mib_906r1e | I think I have a check on the rebuild script to not allow running as any other user except the owner of the index files (checking that now!) |
| 18:13 | jcamins | How did you install Koha? |
| 18:14 | mbalmer | I wonder what products like SISIS SunRise use for full text search. Do they also resort to DB external tools like Solr, Zebra etc? What does evergreen use in this regard? |
| 18:14 | jcamins | mbalmer: Evergreen uses Postgres' fulltext search. |
| 18:14 | mib_906r1e | I installed koha for that tarball downloaded from the koha-community.org site |
| 18:14 | jcamins | mbalmer: it is very slow. |
| 18:14 | Query times can rise upward of two minutes. | |
| 18:15 | mbalmer | wow. |
| 18:15 | that is slow. | |
| 18:15 | * jcamins | hears an echo. |
| 18:15 | jcamins | ;) |
| 18:15 | mib_906r1e: how do you have a check on the rebuild script? | |
| 18:16 | mbalmer | are they using it "wrong" or is tsearch that slow? In my experience, the performance is not that bad. |
| 18:16 | mib_906r1e | I added a small part at the start of the script to check the user id running the script |
| 18:16 | jcamins | mbalmer: probably both. |
| 18:16 | mib_906r1e | is that a problem, do you think |
| 18:16 | mbalmer | I see. |
| 18:16 | jcamins | mib_906r1e: what else did you change? |
| 18:16 | mib_906r1e | Not a thing! I hope...... |
| 18:17 | however, I can rerun the original one now, to put my mind at ease! | |
| 18:17 | mbalmer | doing a full text search in a (large) database consisiting of marc records is sth on my todo list (doing the search in the database wo/ external indexer) |
| 18:18 | oleonard | That didn't work well for Koha before Zebra. |
| 18:19 | mbalmer | databases have evolved, the landscape might have changed. tests will show |
| 18:20 | jcamins | oleonard: it'd be nice to have a DB-only option for very small libraries, particularly in developing countries. |
| 18:21 | * jcamins | has planned his search rewrite such that if someone wanted to implement a database-only search driver, it will be easy. |
| 18:21 | mib_906r1e | jcamins: I reran that script - the original one - but the same problem remains. Would you have any other ideas? |
| 18:21 | mbalmer | I have some large files, I really want to find out if a DB only approach can be performant. |
| 18:21 | but consider this research, not sth to be put into koha | |
| 18:23 | jcamins | mib_906r1e: so it was working in 3.6.something and 3.8.3? |
| 18:23 | mib_906r1e | no, it was working in 3.6. We upgraded to 3.8.3 about 3-4 weeks ago (approx) and noticed some strange authority problems (which I see a bug for) and this problem. |
| 18:24 | I just upgraded to 3.8.5 today hoping that would solve the problem! | |
| 18:24 | jcamins | And just to confirm, you did run the Makefile, right? |
| 18:25 | mib_906r1e | yeah, in all occassions |
| 18:25 | jcamins | (Makefile.PL --prev-install-log=/whatever) |
| 18:25 | Okay. | |
| 18:25 | * jcamins | will ponder. |
| 18:25 | jcamins | And curse card catalogs. |
| 18:25 | mib_906r1e | yep, them make upgrade |
| 18:30 | mveron | Good night #koha |
| 18:31 | mbalmer | gn8 |
| 18:31 | mveron | Good night #koha |
| 18:31 | mbalmer | last message repeated 3 times |
| 18:38 | drojf | can i move my koha-git-folder (with .git inside) to another machine and use it there? assuming that there is git installed? or how would i get my branches to a different computer? |
| 18:38 | libsysguy | jcamins thanks for the idea of re-pulling that patch instead of trying to fix my screwed up repo |
| 18:48 | jcamins | drojf: yes. |
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| 18:57 | oleonard | Seems to me that the acquisitions is not strict in distinguishing between "budget" and "fund" |
| 18:58 | See: neworderempty.pl where it has the label "Fund:" and the <select> says "Select a budget" | |
| 19:18 | mib_906r1e | when running an reindex I see this at the start "BIBLIONUMBER in : 999$c" ? what does that mean? |
| 19:18 | I don't seem to have any 999 tags in any records! | |
| 19:18 | jcamins | mib_906r1e: it means your biblionumber is stored in 999$c. |
| 19:18 | Wait, what? | |
| 19:18 | wahanui | Wait, is it only in items? |
| 19:18 | jcamins | You *must* have 999 tags in all the records. |
| 19:18 | I don't think it's possible not to. | |
| 19:19 | mib_906r1e | is it surpressed in the MARC detail view? |
| 19:19 | jcamins | mib_906r1e: maybe. It'll show up in the plain MARC view on the OPAC, certainly. |
| 19:19 | mib_906r1e | OK, I will check |
| 19:20 | yeah - 999 is there alright when viewed in plain view | |
| 19:21 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 19:21 | That is good. | |
| 19:21 | I feel like we walked someone through a similar issue a few days ago, and fixed it. | |
| 19:21 | mib_906r1e | yeah, but I just cannot figure out this problem. Everything seems fine......is there any "super verbose" mode I can reindex in? |
| 19:22 | jcamins | Three -v flags. |
| 19:22 | mib_906r1e | jcamins: really? do you remember what day? I could search the irc logs? |
| 19:22 | jcamins | mib_906r1e: I'm trying to remember. |
| 19:23 | oleonard | Yay nengard |
| 19:24 | jcamins | mib_906r1e: I'm thinking someone would surely have mentioned "permissions." |
| 19:24 | wizzyrea | oh they must be talking about koha at lianza |
| 19:24 | nengard | yeah they are!! |
| 19:24 | but a lot of it is tagged #koha | |
| 19:24 | so I've telling people about the right hashtag | |
| 19:24 | mib_906r1e | jcamins: I spent a good while looking at them and all the required places are owned by the koha user |
| 19:25 | jcamins | mib_906r1e: yeah, I mean the conversation probably involved the word "permissions," so you could look for that in the logs. ;) |
| 19:26 | mib_906r1e | oh yeah! thanks, I will have a quick search |
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| 19:38 | mib_906r1e | near the end of the debug run i get this : Records: 6462 i/u/d 6344/118/0 - which is the correct count of my biblio table (not sure about the 118 updates). Can't help thinking this is a bug now! |
| 19:39 | wizzyrea | mib_906r1e: it's almost never a bug :/ |
| 19:39 | it's almost always a misconfiguration. | |
| 19:40 | (sad but true, sorry) | |
| 19:40 | what kind of hardware are you running on? is it possible it's running out of memory? | |
| 19:40 | or disk space? | |
| 19:40 | wahanui | hmmm... disk space is NOT the issue. |
| 19:41 | wizzyrea | shh wahanui |
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| 19:42 | mib_906r1e | wizzyrea: I have plenty RAM and disk - I just upped the memMax entry in the confi file, rebuilding now |
| 19:45 | why would checking in an item cause the biblio to show on the search though? That is really strange - and after that, if I do a full rebuild, the biblio dissappears again. What is the diff between update and rebuild!? | |
| 19:49 | wizzyrea | because the zebraqueue has top update the indexes with availability |
| 19:49 | to* | |
| 19:50 | since checking it in triggers a zebra update, apparently whatever *koha* is doing to the indexes is proper | |
| 19:50 | but however they are being originally generated isn't | |
| 19:52 | mib_906r1e | I am almost beat - running out of ideas fast. No search will get me the hit, only putting the actual biblionumber in the URL gets me the record..... |
| 19:53 | jcamins | mib_906r1e: are you using zebraqueuedaemon? |
| 19:53 | mib_906r1e | jcamins: nope |
| 19:53 | jcamins | Good. |
| 19:54 | mib_906r1e | is there point in enabling the z3950 server and pointing yaz at it? Will it just be the same index? |
| 19:55 | jcamins | mib_906r1e: it will be exactly the same index, yes. |
| 19:55 | mib_906r1e | so not much point then..... |
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| 19:56 | oleonard | On this page, what does the "Finish receiving" button do? http://screencast.com/t/eM6TRLRwwiq |
| 19:56 | mib_906r1e | there hasn't been any new sysprefs in 3.8 that could be restricting something? |
| 19:57 | jcamins | mib_906r1e: no. |
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| 19:59 | jcamins | I suppose you could try switching to DOM mode for indexing (or GRS-1 mode, if it defaulted to DOM), but that's somewhat more involved than I can walk you through now, and probably won't resolve the underlying problem. |
| 20:00 | mib_906r1e | I did think of that - I can make the switch no problem, although it would take some time. Maybe copious amounts of beer and some sleep might help too! |
| 20:00 | jcamins | mib_906r1e: that makes sense to me. |
| 20:01 | mib_906r1e | it's late where I am so I think I will call it - thanks everyone for the suggestions - there is a good chance I will be back at some stage! |
| 20:05 | mtj | libsysguy_afk, feel free to flick your patch back to 'signed-off' - if someone has a problem, they will say so |
| 20:06 | (i assume you only made some trival w/s fixes) | |
| 20:12 | oleonard | Man, I really don't understand the acquisitions workflow :( |
| 20:14 | * jcamins | would switch to OpenOffice.org from LibreOffice if it had a vim mode. |
| 20:14 | oleonard | Why? |
| 20:15 | jcamins | oleonard: so I could use the vim mode? |
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| 20:15 | drojf | computers-- |
| 20:15 | oleonard | Why not say, "I wish LibreOffice had a vim mode?" |
| 20:16 | drojf | jcamins: i saw your "yes" before everything went crazy, thanks |
| 20:16 | (the crazy had nothing to do with it ;) | |
| 20:16 | jcamins | drojf: you're welcome. |
| 20:16 | oleonard: well, I do wish LibreOfice had a vim mode. | |
| 20:16 | But I want a vim mode so much that I'd switch back to OpenOffice. | |
| 20:18 | trea | is there a syspref in 3.8 for calculating fines upon check-in? |
| 20:19 | * jcamins | washes his hands of it. |
| 20:20 | jcamins | trea: not sure. Ask libsysguy. |
| 20:20 | * oleonard | notes that the "save" button on orderreceive.pl doesn't mean "save" unless you've clicked "add" first :P |
| 20:20 | adds a warning that says "Save, really? Save nothing? What good does that do you? Get back to work." | |
| 20:21 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 20:30 | oleonard | See ya #koha |
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| 21:37 | ala_3vo | Hello #koha |
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| 21:44 | clyiie | Hello#Koha |
| 21:46 | I have problem with fine in the circulation feature.It is not automatically charging all the overdue patrons | |
| 21:49 | melia | clyiie: do you have the fines cron job correctly set up? do you have finesMode system preference set to "calculate and charge"? |
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| 21:50 | lanesboroma | need help with windows 7 and firefox 15 - can't access koha |
| 21:50 | clyiie | fine mode system preference set to calculate and charge-yesit is but fines cron job not quite sure maybe will check the IT personel |
| 21:50 | wizzyrea | the first question? |
| 21:50 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" |
| 21:51 | lanesboroma | get the page to appear, it justspins thinking waiting whatever. all other web access works on either ie or firefox |
| 21:51 | wizzyrea | new installation, old installation? Locally hosted or hosted by a support company? |
| 21:52 | lanesboroma | new windows 7 install on the library peer to peer established as work - beingthe homegrou p |
| 21:52 | network acess is ok on wired or wireless | |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | well it's probably not windows |
| 21:53 | and it's probably not firefox | |
| 21:53 | lanesboroma | through verizon bridged router |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | I happen to know that koha works fine on win7 with ff15 |
| 21:53 | lanesboroma | i can get acees to bring up any other pages, even added firefox as allowed in norton 360 firewall |
| 21:53 | clyiie | how can we run cron job? |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | ok, is the server local to you? in the same LAN? |
| 21:53 | lanesboroma | yes |
| 21:54 | wizzyrea | ok, is the server running? |
| 21:54 | lanesboroma | we have no lo0ca lserver, using browser to logon to the koha site, two toher xp pc's work fine with same link |
| 21:54 | clyiie | i mean fine cron job |
| 21:55 | melia | clyiie: there is some info here on cron jobs: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]sch.html#cronjobs. see 1.2.4 |
| 21:55 | lanesboroma | is the manula link to me |
| 21:55 | manual | |
| 21:55 | melia | no that was for clyiie, who is asking about the fines cron job |
| 21:56 | lanesboroma | ok, np |
| 21:56 | wizzyrea | hmmm |
| 21:56 | besides being the only win7, what is unique about this computer? | |
| 21:56 | clyiie | will the personnel run the cron on that site |
| 21:56 | wizzyrea | no, your IT guy will have to set that up |
| 21:57 | lanesboroma | staples tech yesterday installed with premise of wireless whichi turned off to beon wired only |
| 21:57 | he had messed up even printers too | |
| 21:57 | but was able to getr to koha | |
| 21:57 | i may go and tuen on wireless just in case | |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | so it was working yesterday but not today |
| 21:57 | lanesboroma | yes |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | and you changed from wireless to wired |
| 21:58 | lanesboroma | yes |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | ok, you say it browses to other sites fine? |
| 21:58 | but just spins and spins on koha | |
| 21:58 | lanesboroma | wireless was on a say 10.58.7.xxx schema and i reverted back to verizon dsl wired 192.168.1.xxx schema |
| 21:59 | yes to spinning | |
| 21:59 | wizzyrea | I think this possibly has to do with DNS - I"d double check and see if you can go to a terminal and ping the koha server by name |
| 21:59 | start -> run (or windows - r) | |
| 22:00 | type cmd, press (the affirmative button) | |
| 22:00 | (I can't remember what it is) | |
| 22:00 | for me, it would be | |
| 22:00 | in the black window | |
| 22:00 | ping catalog.nexpresslibrary.org | |
| 22:01 | press enter | |
| 22:01 | for you it would be whatever you type after http:// to get to your catalog | |
| 22:01 | but leave the http:// off | |
| 22:01 | if you get no reply, that may mean you can't see the server | |
| 22:01 | I hve to go pick up my kid now… sorry :( | |
| 22:01 | lanesboroma | ok will try thank you |
| 22:02 | if i can't get to server then any ideas? | |
| 22:02 | wizzyrea | well, with DNS |
| 22:02 | you can try a different DNS server | |
| 22:02 | google's dns resolver is 8.8.8.8 for example | |
| 22:03 | you'll find it in the network settings | |
| 22:05 | rambutan | lanesboroma, you can also try to use your browser to connect to the server using the ip address |
| 22:05 | just put it in the location bar, whatever it is, like 192.168.1.9 | |
| 22:05 | that will give you the OPAC | |
| 22:06 | if you want the staff interface, just use: | |
| 22:06 | 192.168.1.9:8080 | |
| 22:06 | That will bypass the DNS problems | |
| 22:08 | of course, if you have a DNS problem you'll want to fix it anyway | |
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| 22:09 | clyiie | Melia. Can you give me that link again? |
| 22:10 | melia | sure: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]sch.html#cronjobs |
| 22:10 | you want 1.2.4 Fines | |
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| 22:10 | clyiie | Thanks, My koha is 3.8.4 on debian squeeze |
| 22:10 | yes | |
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| 22:11 | melia | ok, I think that would be the place to start. if your IT dept sets up the cron job, you should probably see fines after it runs for the first time. |
| 22:12 | clyiie | Does koha zebra rebuild do the same? |
| 22:12 | melia | no, that has to do with the search. |
| 22:16 | eythian | hi |
| 22:18 | melia | hi eythian :) |
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| 22:25 | Waylon | hiya all |
| 22:36 | * chris_n | +1's the idea of a vim mode for libreoffice |
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| 22:55 | rambutan | chris_n??? |
| 22:55 | wahanui | release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. or late on 3.6.5 |
| 22:55 | rambutan | stupid bot, trix are for kids |
| 22:56 | lanesboroma | got fix done we had to get wireless only and disable wired to make koha come up but then we needed to config printer office jet to wireless only too, doesn't makesense, |
| 22:56 | thank you all | |
| 22:57 | rambutan | glad it got resolved |
| 22:58 | eythian | chris_n: why not just use vim? |
| 22:59 | jcamins_away | eythian: it doesn't handle RTF. |
| 23:00 | chris_n | FTR: I use vim for everything... including making morning coffee ;-) |
| 23:00 | eythian | RTF is text based |
| 23:00 | e.g.: | |
| 23:00 | {\rtf1\ansi{\fonttbl\f0\fswiss Helvetica;}\f0\pard | |
| 23:00 | This is some {\b bold} text.\par | |
| 23:00 | } | |
| 23:00 | QED, vim can support RTF :) | |
| 23:00 | jcamins_away | lol |
| 23:06 | Hehe. Guess that would be a side effect of the last bug. | |
| 23:22 | mtj: consider yourself berated for changing evals from string to block. | |
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| 23:22 | jcamins_away | eval { eval { } }; is a no-op. |
| 23:27 | mtj: I think perhaps we should declare a moratorium on further PBP-cleanups until 3.10 is released. | |
| 23:32 | mtj | jcamins_away, yeah, that one was a cock-up :) |
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| 23:33 | * jcamins_away | replaced it with can_load. |
| 23:33 | jcamins_away | Which is, of course, superior. |
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| 23:35 | mtj | and yes, sounds fine to me :) |
| 23:35 | jcamins_away | Hm. I can't reproduce bug 8823. |
| 23:35 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8823 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , CatalogModuleRelink Creates Multiple Links between Bib and Auth record ($9 RLIN) |
| 23:37 | jcamins_away | mtj: if you really want to do PBP-y fixes for the next two months, you can try and figure out a different way to use FindBin. |
| 23:38 | I'm pretty sure load will *not* work. | |
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| 23:42 | wajasu | if you can't get 8823 creating multiple links, i might be able to ask my librarian to tell how they do it. i remember them complaining while testing 3.6 |
| 23:45 | jcamins_away | wajasu: I'd appreciate that. |
| 23:45 | Of course, this might be like that other one, which we never actually managed to track down. | |
| 23:46 | Rather, replicate. | |
| 23:46 | And by "we" I mean "me." | |
| 23:46 | You replicated it, and successfully tested my fix. :) | |
| 23:50 | * jcamins_away | asks for a better test plan, goes to make dinner. |
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