IRC log for #koha, 2012-09-24

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00:01 mtompset @wunder MNL
00:01 huginn mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 27.0°C (7:00 AM PHT on September 24, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising).
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01:18 Waylon-android woot, at Lianz exhibitors halk, met Chris
01:20 mibbit not refreshing cant see anyone talking...
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01:21 Waylon now can... different browser
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03:53 Waylon_AFK back
03:54 Waylon Ah, got asked to leave. about 2... took this long to get back.
03:54 eythian oh, you need to be registered to be in the exhibition area?
03:54 Waylon yes eythian ... i think i need to get a bike sooner than later.
03:54 eythian :)
03:55 Waylon ah... Im thinking yes.. though this was after the signal for the next series of talks.
03:55 so... it was much easier to spot the non-conferencees.
03:55 eythian yeah, it would be
03:56 Waylon which was .. probably just me... though i did spot a palmerston north library person.. and i don't think they had a delegate card either.
03:56 she left sorta about hte same time I did.
03:56 she... drove past me.
03:57 * Waylon knows annoyance, hobbling along using a umbrella as walking stick, when people just drive on by, from same venue.. ah well.
03:58 eythian probably assume that if you're walking it's because you're not going far.
04:00 Waylon heh. guess so. so yea... koha.. with 3 catalyst, but many koha library people, hmm... however, there was two or three booths of siridynix based people. Palmerston north, national library, and siridynix booths.
04:01 This is funny, the thomsonreuters booth person, he helped his brother install koha for a library. hehe. fantastic.
04:05 i understand the conference organizers position though. costs delegates $800 nzd (i think chris told me) for all 3 days... so to have someone just walk in and view the exhibition hall... something that isn't done.
04:07 eythian yeah, it's really expensive
04:08 well, the booths are about advertising chances for sponsors, so the more people that see it, the more exposure it gets. So I would have thought they'd be OK with people seeing that part of it.
04:09 Waylon had to get home anyway, the person did me a favor basically... took me ages to get back. Not something id do again with my workload.
04:11 woot.. got 2 flashdrives from a booth... 128 mb.... Wonder if i could get a bootable koha system on it.
04:12 Text based bootable koha...
04:12 eythian probably
04:12 Waylon maybe even a mini-Xorg prehaps.
04:12 eythian it'd be tight
04:13 Waylon yeah... im thinking, alot of the koha stuff can be squashfs'ed rather well.
04:13 being all text ... perl libs etc.
04:16 * Waylon idly wonders if koha would work on a rasberry pi.
04:16 * ibeardslee recalls something mentioned about someone trying that
04:16 Waylon $60 koha appliances for small libraries / demo box.
04:17 ibeardslee http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_a_Raspberry_Pi
04:17 Waylon oh wow cool.
04:19 eythian oh yeah, Mirko was doing that
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04:26 Waylon jcamins_away, chris brought up the idea, of linked list of branches. Branches having children/parents. Say, a local branch could be part of a library, which in turn could be part of a bigger library, which in turn could be part of a consortium. of libraries. And each level being searchable across that level.
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04:43 eythian the SirsiD HOLDS table has a field call "NO_HOLDS_BARRED"
04:44 cjh heh
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04:51 Waylon haha.. brilliant.
04:51 Them fighting words..
05:08 trying to think of an appropiate koha response.
05:10 * eythian starts to make packages
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05:54 eythian oh bother. I don't have a copy of my non-expired secret key with which to sign the packages.
05:55 It'll have to wait until I can get it from home.
05:58 curious that enigmail has been happily letting me sign things.
05:58 evolution rather
06:01 cait evening eythian
06:01 eythian hiya
06:01 cait shouldn't you be home? :)
06:01 eythian it's only 6pm :)
06:04 mtompset You aren't home at 6pm?
06:04 eythian not usually, no
06:05 mtompset Sounds like you keep flex hours. ;)
06:05 eythian @later tell rangi beware editing the debian changelogs, the version numbers have to be exact, and it's prone to causing conflicts
06:05 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
06:06 eythian mtompset: yeah, I do. It's handy
06:07 mtompset you aren't set up at home to remotely access the information you need? ;)
06:08 eythian I can, but I'm not a fan of working from home.
06:08 I prefer to keep the spaces separate where I can.
06:09 mtompset No, I mean access your home information from work.
06:09 I understand wanting to keep spaces separate.
06:09 eythian oh, no. It's not something I really need to be able to do.
06:09 (in most cases)
06:09 so I turn my home computer off when I leave.
06:11 mtompset Hmm... where did I see someone mentioning pending suggestions showing, but clicking it brings up nothing?
06:12 eythian filter by branch
06:12 there's a bug for it somewhere
06:12 Waylon eepp
06:12 thats kinda one thing i really need.
06:12 ohhh
06:12 pending suggestions.. not catalog.
06:12 nevermind.
06:12 eythian it works, it's just a bit broken
06:13 Bug 7300 <-- exhibit A
06:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7300 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, ASSIGNED , display suggestions from librarian library only by default
06:13 eythian Bug 8274 <-- Exhibit B
06:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8274 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , count of suggestions on main page wrong
06:18 Waylon eythian, what do you think of chris's linked list branches idea?
06:19 eythian I dunno, there is/was a branch groups feature. Can a list give us things that we couldn't get by using this?
06:19 but, I haven't thought about it really
06:21 Waylon well.. branch groups would only give one level of branch grouping?
06:22 or did it support nested groups?
06:22 eythian I doubt it had nesting
06:23 but what are the use cases for wanting multiple levels
06:23 it sounds nice, but I can't see a use for it.
06:26 Waylon library consortiums
06:26 all using the same koha server install.
06:26 a for instance...
06:27 palmerston north public library now belongs to a consortium, with national library.
06:27 and othes.
06:27 palmerston north library has local branches.
06:27 eythian hmm, I see
06:27 possibly a good case, yeah
06:27 Waylon so thats central branch of the palmerston north library, of the national library consortium.
06:28 eythian it'd be hard to do without overcomplicating an already complicated UI
06:28 Waylon ah.. bad example thou.. they using dynix.
06:28 no holds barred...
06:28 hmm... really must find a response.
06:31 mtompset Okay, those bug reports are a little helpful.
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06:32 mtompset But I have two records in the suggestions table, and I know what they are, but I don't know why they aren't showing.
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06:32 marcelr morning #koha
06:32 cait morning marcelr
06:32 marcelr :)
06:32 mtompset Greetings, marcelr
06:32 marcelr hi
06:32 wahanui salut, marcelr
06:32 cait :)
06:33 mtompset Greetings, cait. :)
06:33 drojf good morning #koha
06:33 cait ok, have to get ready for work - will be back in a bit :)
06:33 mtompset greetings, drojf
06:33 marcelr hi drojf
06:33 cait morning drojf :)
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06:33 drojf hiya mtompset, marcelr and cait
06:34 eythian mtompset: I've only seen it as the result of the filtering
06:34 mtompset It says filter by clear.
06:34 Going to see if there are error log entries.
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06:35 alex_a hello world !
06:35 drojf hi alex_a
06:35 mtompset bonjour tout le monde? ;)
06:35 (sorry if I mangled the french)
06:35 alex_a bonjour tout seul mtompset
06:35 mtompset Greetings, alex_a
06:36 alex_a mtompset: perfect !
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06:40 reiveune hello
06:40 wahanui bonjour, reiveune
06:40 marcelr hi reiveune
06:41 reiveune salut marcelr :)
06:41 eythian I really need to add some kind of cache to debian/update-control...it's soooo slow
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06:53 francharb good morning #koha
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06:53 matts hi !
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06:54 julian_m hello
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06:56 mveron Good morning #koha
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06:57 * eythian finally starts 3.8.5 building
06:58 eythian some bad people out there who add dependencies without adding them to the appropriate file.
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07:03 gaetan_B hello
07:08 mtompset okay this is weird... I added a suggestion, all three suggestions list. I delete my suggestion that I added. All suggestions disappear.
07:08 mbalmer hello
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07:11 eythian mtompset: that is weird
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07:13 mveron Hi mbalmer and hi everybody
07:18 mtompset Okay, weirder... I go to home, click on the pending suggestions, and even my added one isn't listed anymore.
07:18 eythian ah right, I could see that happening
07:18 OK, packages built, but no non-expired key to sign them with. So tomorrow I'll deploy them.
07:19 mtompset can you give a rough etd?
07:19 eythian mtompset: tomorrow
07:19 wahanui i guess tomorrow is pizza friday! or the day after today.
07:19 Waylon tuesday?
07:19 wahanui tuesday is good too
07:19 Waylon hehe
07:19 eythian probably before noon tomorrow.
07:19 NZST that is
07:20 mtompset: if you want to help, bug 8806 ;)
07:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8806 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Debian packaging updates
07:22 mtompset Okay, so that before 8am Manila time. ;)
07:22 eythian most likely :)
07:25 drojf eythian: how would one test that? apply patch, build package and try to install?
07:26 eythian drojf: yeah
07:26 realistically, only the build should be able to fail
07:26 anyway, time for me to go
07:27 mtompset By the way, I'm pretty sure a patched install_misc/debian.packages file should have the same lib contents as the control file, right? So perhaps you may wish to look at bug 8784 which I posted.
07:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8784 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Missing files in debian.packages list
07:27 eythian mtompset: have a look at debian/update-control (or debian/list-deps)
07:27 I think you are likely to be right
07:28 also debian/control.in
07:28 * eythian makes like a tree and gets out of hair
07:28 drojf seems like the sd card of my development pi is really broken, so much for testing anything :(
07:29 mtompset broken? how?
07:30 BTW, debian/list-deps is a perl pre-cursor to my check_deps.sh script which is in the release-tools repository, eythian .
07:30 drojf i wanted to try building the 3.8.5 package yesterday and at some point it only said "segmentation fault". it does not boot anymore, i am able to open it in a card reader and copy stuff though so i don't really know what is going on
07:30 mtompset Oh that sucks big time.
07:31 drojf at least i got the git stuff copied
07:31 * mtompset nods.
07:31 mtompset Saves an hour or three there. :)
07:34 drojf yes. but i somehow hoped it would just repair itself over night ;)
07:36 mtompset I think there is some magically awesome bits that are required to boot, before grub. Perhaps those got toasted.
07:36 did you try another SD card yet?
07:37 drojf yes the pi is fine. glad i made a new card with fresh debian and koha stable before so i can still play with it ;)
07:38 changing the boot stuff is the first thing i will try
07:38 mtj hi #koha
07:39 drojf hi mtj
07:39 mtj halcyonCorsair, i spotted this recently -> http://www.slideshare.net/dago[…]presentationfinal
07:40 … all very relevant to koha
07:50 Waylon drojf, what about using squashfs on the pi?
07:51 * Waylon has a few 128 mb flash sticks... wondering if i can fit a working bootable koha on it.
07:51 Waylon for pc's
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07:51 Waylon ah...
07:52 nevermind/
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07:52 Waylon ...
07:52 welcome back drojf ?
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08:09 kf hi #koha
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08:39 mtompset Greetings, kf_afk. ;)
08:39 128MB?! Are you mad?!
08:51 mtj Waylon, 128 is too small for Koha
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09:14 jcamins 4:40 is much to early to get up.
09:19 Waylon even squashfs'ed mtj, mtompset ?
09:20 mtompset I did it this morning, then after a couple hours of productivity, I went back to sleep. :)
09:21 Oh, this is disk space, not memory... never mind, Waylon.
09:21 a du -h on /usr/share/koha for 3.8.4 package install is 377M.
09:21 I don't think you can get it to work on 128M, unless you have compression on the fly.
09:22 mtj … which is what squashfs is, afaik
09:23 Waylon yes.
09:23 its what openwrt uses
09:23 mtompset I don't think on the fly compression is going to be that good.
09:23 Waylon And i run openwrt on my asteriskbox/router.
09:24 mtompset Because you'll also need the linux installed too.
09:24 Waylon right.
09:24 well.. sounds like a challenge.
09:24 ibeardslee but if you mount parts of the tree on other systems then you can probably do it
09:25 Waylon eh, I do have TWO 128mb flashdrives.
09:25 mtj Waylon, if you are looking for a decent pet project for Koha… -> Carton support
09:25 Waylon Carton support?
09:25 ibeardslee .. network shares .. on other servers/PCs/workstations etc
09:26 mtj bug 8807
09:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8807 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , add Carton support to Koha
09:26 mtompset ibeardslee: I was thinking he was going to get everything contained on 128MB, OS and Koha and Data.
09:26 Waylon yea. I am thinking that.
09:27 but i do have two 128 sticks, so will try that before pruning the default perl install.
09:27 ibeardslee that'd be interesting project
09:28 mtj …why not a simple beowulf cluster of 128mb unionfs openwrt boxes, in the cloud?
09:28 Waylon hahah
09:28 mtompset If you find that you can fit the /usr/share/koha tree on 128MB, and the OS on 128, then it may be possible, if you mount your data elsewhere.
09:28 Waylon .. why would koha need 128mb by itself?
09:29 mtompset I told you that I did a du -h on /usr/share/koha.
09:29 I got 377M.
09:29 Waylon this including git?
09:29 mtompset no.
09:29 Waylon hmm..
09:30 mtompset If you can fit that tree on 128MB squashfs, then it may be possible over two sticks plus a data source.
09:32 Waylon wow.... alot of javascript source.
09:33 prog/en/js .. 3.7M of javascript
09:33 mtompset oh right... I forgot languages.
09:34 Waylon ccsr costs 1.5M
09:34 opac-tmpl/lib costs 5M
09:35 installer alone plus mysql datafiles... 69 M
09:35 mtompset Okay... my mistake make that roughly 300MB without a second language.
09:38 Waylon exclude t, exclude migration_tools/22_to_30
09:39 exclude misc/translator/
09:40 kf_afk you wan exclude the po files
09:40 mtj include a zebra database
09:40 kf_afk but if you want more languages you will have to readd them I think
09:41 mtompset You can probably exclude the lib/yui files, but make sure your setting is to use it externally.
09:41 kf_afk hmnot sure that's recommended it might cause problems
09:41 Waylon ...... all the excludes end up with 41M left of usage
09:42 mtj include 103mb of perl modules
09:42 mtompset A 256 squashfs might be able to do it. ;)
09:42 But that's for only the installed koha parts.
09:42 Waylon yeah.
09:43 maybe even a 128 mb. its pushing it though. no room for graphical interface or anything. server on a stick.
09:43 Sounds like a fun project though.
09:43 mtompset I think this is where you'd want to try DSL.
09:44 * Waylon nods.
09:44 jcamins Waylon: it seems to me there are more useful projects you could find.
09:44 mtompset http://damnsmalllinux.org/
09:45 mtj jcamins++
09:46 Waylon yes jcamins, I know. Like my current port koha 3.0 mods to koha master, then backport... which.. ah.. isn't so fun.
09:47 oh btw, todays summary of karma.
09:48 catalystit++
09:48 rangi++
09:48 siridynix?
09:48 hrm.
09:48 ah
09:48 sirsidynix?
09:49 hmm.. how to describe..
09:50 haha.. brilliant... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SirsiDynix "SirsiDynix claims to be a global leader in providing "technology solutions" to libraries" someone put "claims" in there.
09:52 mtj aah, so thats where LL pinched their 'global leader' blurb from
09:53 Waylon huh?
09:53 LL sabotaged sirsidynix wiki entry?
09:55 mtj no, LL had a similar 'global leader in bla bla…' blurb on their website
09:55 Waylon ahh
09:56 oooo
09:56 a user named "Mean as custard" changed IS to Claims to be.
09:56 haha
09:57 calling it a "clarification"
09:58 hmm.
09:58 http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Sirs[…]ogies%2C_Sep_2009
10:00 mtj but seriously.. is Graphics::Magick.pm currently impossible to install ?
10:01 Waylon hrm? think i installed the deb..
10:01 mtompset Under what OS?
10:01 mtj its always been difficult, but now its no longer on CPAN?!
10:01 jcamins mtj: It has serious issues, yes.
10:01 Waylon debian squeeze
10:01 wahanui debian squeeze is recommended for koha?
10:01 mtj under *any* OS
10:02 Waylon libgraphics-magick-perl
10:02 is installed
10:02 mtompset Actually, it's the reason we need to use the gd-xpm version. ;)
10:03 mtj ah ok, i missed the package on debian
10:03 mtompset bug 8784
10:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8784 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Missing files in debian.packages list
10:04 jcamins mtompset: why on earth would we want to use the xpm version?
10:05 mtj so, perlmagick.pm is now the offical way to access GM -> http://www.graphicsmagick.org/perl.html
10:05 … not graphicsmagick.pm ?
10:05 mtompset There's something about graphics-magick that triggered a swap from the noxpm version.
10:05 at least last time I looked at it.
10:06 under ubuntu.
10:06 jcamins mtompset: yes, you had installed X.
10:06 Changing the dependency is not a good idea, though.
10:06 Most of us don't want to install X on our servers.
10:06 mtompset I know that.
10:07 Just saying that pieces of it happen.
10:07 mtj … if you install it on a box with X
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10:18 kf_afk chef-koha? :)
10:19 oh... i hoped it was about recipes
10:19 jcamins Hehe.
10:19 It is, just not food recipes.
10:19 kf_afk hmm
10:19 can you explain?
10:21 jcamins Chef uses "recipes" for configuring software automatically.
10:21 :)
10:21 kf_afk hm
10:22 mtompset http://www.slideshare.net/dago[…]presentationfinal (mtj posted this earlier)
10:23 mtj … now there is a worthy koha installation project, folks
10:24 mtompset yes, but it requires familiarity with each of the pieces talked about.
10:25 mtj mtompset, does not everything?
10:25 mtompset sadly, yes.
10:34 jcamins mtompset: BTW, regarding the Ubuntu installation document on the wiki, it instructs people to install the packages, and then pick up again at running Makefile.PL, which is a little confusing.
10:35 mtompset Yes, I've gotten distracted.
10:35 I'll be cleaning that up... actually splitting it.
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10:49 drojf how would i move my git stuff to a different computer? just copy over the koha folder including the .git folder?
10:51 Barrc morning all - does there exist a command line borrower import utility? I see plenty of request for one and RFCs but I can't seem to locate one!
10:56 Waylon jcamins, regards to my multibranch system, does the syspref: multibranch disable/enable assigning multiple branches to a patron.: make sense?
10:57 mtj Barrc, ask the catalyst-nz people - they have one, i am sure
10:58 jcamins Waylon: that's not a good name for the syspref, but I can't think of a good one at the moment.
10:58 mtj eythian, or rangi may know the url ^^
10:58 Barrc mtj: Thanks - will do.
10:59 Waylon think i also need to include a syspref "Completely independant libraries" - Different branches are completely seperate, a user cannot search outside assigned branches.
11:00 makes sense?
11:00 kf_afk Waylon: that multibranch thing sounds like a lot of trouble
11:00 Waylon: there are system preferences to make koha choose circ and return and reserve rules by patron home library
11:00 mtj http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]ads/import_branch
11:01 http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]ads/import_branch
11:01 Barrc, import borrowers from csv file ^^
11:01 Waylon Yes, but it does not limit branches access to search results, its what the company i work for, uses.
11:02 turning branches into libraries basically. and if one has the branches, the ability to search across libraries.
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11:03 Barrc mtj: Excellent, thanks for that. I may need to modify it slightly as it doesn't seem to match/ignore existing users! Thanks!
11:03 kf_afk Waylon: if the functionality is limited to searches, maybe have that reflected in the preference name
11:04 mtj Barrc, … and rememeber ask on the lists and irc - and save yourself a bunch of xtra effort
11:04 Barrc yeah, I was already spec'ing up the job to write from scratch - saves me a lot of time!
11:05 mtj catalyst prolly have a better version of that old script by now, at least
11:05 jcamins migration toolkit?
11:06 migration toolbox?
11:06 migration toolbox is https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/
11:06 migration toolkit is https://www.gitorious.org/koha-toolbox/
11:06 That might be of use.
11:07 mtj aah, there you go :)
11:07 Waylon kf_afk, hmm.... think it only affects searches. what other systems does a opac user use, across branches?
11:07 kf_afk circulation?
11:07 wahanui well, circulation is really much faster with that... But also display of biblios with many items......
11:07 kf_afk suggestion management maybe
11:08 Waylon hmm.. we personally don't use circ, nor suggestions system.
11:08 kf_afk yeah
11:08 I was worried that your development will have unwanted side effects from the description
11:08 if you add the ability to have more than one home library for a patron - this will surely explode
11:08 if you add a different table, it could work
11:08 jcamins kf_afk: it couldn't be a home library.
11:08 Waylon ah, I use BorrowerExtendedAttributes
11:08 jcamins It would have to be something like "affiliated library."
11:09 kf_afk but I think it it's for search, mabe it shoudl not be branches but search properties defined in branchreleations and then a new field in the patron record for those.
11:09 jcamins: yep :)
11:10 Barrc jcamins: That's great - thanks. Seems to be all I need!
11:11 Waylon kf_afk, whoa.. thats getting way complicated .. ah.... hmm. ill do syspref "Limit searches by available branches" - "Opac users can only search those branches that are available to them. This only affects searches."
11:12 kf_afk Waylon: sorry :)
11:12 Waylon sound okay?
11:12 kf_afk only pointing out there is already a way to group libraries for search :)
11:13 so thought it could maybe work with this
11:13 Waylon ah? is there?
11:13 kf_afk yes, youcan group branches into search properties
11:13 those will show up in the opac too
11:13 Waylon ah.. group branches.. but hmm...
11:14 what if the staff member creating the patron, wants to abitarily choose branches to limit them to?
11:14 kf_afk hm sounds like better do without the search group sthen
11:15 Waylon yeah. and i think i got the language right in the new syspref description?
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11:15 kf_afk I think available branches would make me a bit confused
11:16 what about
11:16 limist/Don't limit searches to libraries (we avoid branches) configured in the patron record.
11:16 Waylon Well... available.. as in, if the entire koha install had branches A B C and D, but you were only given access to A and B, your available branches, are A and B
11:16 ahh.
11:16 kf_afk and maybe add OPAC in thee
11:17 and ignore the typos of course...
11:17 Limit/Don't limit OPAC searches of a logged in patron...
11:17 what does happen if the user is not logged in?
11:18 Waylon hmm.. this syspref would most likely be used by a logged-in only opac.
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11:18 Waylon if not a secure opac.. hmm.... maybe a default patron record?
11:19 like "guest" or somesuch.
11:20 kf_afk hm
11:20 * Waylon shrugs. "Did not think about that."
11:20 kf_afk you could limit the functionality to private opacs maybe
11:20 just make all searchable if the opac is not hidden?
11:20 Waylon yes, it wouldn't make sense otherwise.
11:20 kf_afk would be easier than using an anonymous patron maybe
11:21 Waylon Limit/Don't limit OPAC searches of a logged in patron  to libraries  configured in the patron record, provided that the opac is configured for secure.
11:22 "the opac is configured for secure" sounds abit wrong? needs rewording?
11:25 jcamins "... if OpacPublic is disabled."
11:26 Waylon yeah! hmm.. now for a short name.
11:26 for code purposes... eeek.
11:27 branchsearchlimit?
11:28 jcamins Just make sure you are cooperating with SearchMyLibraryFirst.
11:28 Waylon hmm?
11:28 which does?
11:29 jcamins I'm saying your code needs to.
11:29 Waylon I mean, what does SearchMyLibraryFirst do?
11:31 branchlimitsearch (hmm?) doesn't change the order of results, just limits them .. like a "limit by"
11:32 jcamins It doesn't have anything to do with sorting results.
11:33 It limits searches to the logged-in user's library by default.
11:33 * kf_afk nods
11:34 kf_afk Waylon: sorry - we are not trying to make this hard for you - but it has to integrate into existing featuers to make its way in
11:34 Waylon right.
11:36 limits searches to the home library by default, but allows for the selection of other libraries if needed?
11:37 jcamins I believe so.
11:37 I don't entirely recall at this point.
11:39 Waylon hmm.. as one of the features of mandumah is a library selection page (via checkboxes) at login, which i probably won't submit to koha community (who would want that feature?), id probably not touch that mechanic anyway.
11:40 jcamins Waylon: I am certain you will be touching the code involved.
11:41 Waylon id just commit the syspref changes, the borrowerextendedattribute changes and the search code changes... the interface changes... most likely all mandumah specific.
11:42 jcamins Waylon: the "search changes" will involve the exact same part of code that SearchMyLibraryFirst is involved in.
11:44 Waylon wait... the language used in the syspref, it sounds like its exactly what I want?
11:45 Limit/Don't limit patrons' searches to the library they are registered at.
11:45 jcamins Waylon: except you're doing something with multiple branches.
11:45 Waylon Yes.
11:45 jcamins That's why I'm saying you want to make sure that your changes don't conflict with that.
11:46 Waylon if SearchMyLibraryFirst is on, ignore multibranch?
11:46 since it takes security precidence?
11:46 jcamins Or make SearchMyLibraryFirst understand multibranch.
11:48 Waylon hmm.. its used in only Auth and opac-user
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11:51 Waylon wooo massive netburp
11:52 hmm.. its used in only Auth and opac-user, and inserts the branch limit into masthead.inc's opac search...
11:52 kf_afk oleonard++
11:53 Waylon did i miss something?
11:53 kf_afk that woudl make sense
11:53 it changed the default setting of the masthead's opac search
11:54 Waylon it doesn't actually sanitise it, seems like one could add additional branches by adding limit_cgi themselves.
11:54 jcamins I have *got* to stop doing that.
11:55 Waylon doing what?
11:55 jcamins I keep on going "oh no, where's my new feature?!?!?!?" and getting very frustrated.
11:55 Then I remember that I forgot to disable it.
11:55 Waylon hmm?
11:55 jcamins *EN*able it
11:55 kf_afk lol
11:55 jcamins Fourth time today.
11:55 * kf_afk hands jcamins a cookie and reassures him all his nice features are fine and alive
11:55 * Waylon is keeping a bugzilla on his dev machine, for devel planning / notes.]
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11:58 Waylon so yeah, seems like the limit isn't actually enforced in opac-search.pl
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11:59 Waylon one could add multiple branches into multiple &limit's, and get more than their home branch.
11:59 jcamins Waylon: hence "first" ;)
12:03 Waylon unless OpacAddMastheadLibraryPulldown is turned on, in which case, other branches wouldn't appear... [% IF ( mylibraryfirst ) %] (in [% mylibraryfirst %] only)[% END %] is enacted.... but not actually enforced.
12:03 jcamins Right, it's available only through the advanced search due to the way Apache handles environment variables.
12:04 * jcamins gets ready to head into the city.
12:04 Waylon hmm?
12:07 okay, time to stop work, relax then bed.
12:10 kf_afk sleep well
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12:24 jcamins_away mtj: 36k lines? Surely there's a better way to do that?
12:24 mtj hopefully.. yes!
12:25 jcamins_away Maybe a "generate carton" script?
12:25 mtj jcamins_away++ yeah, a very nice idea
12:25 jcamins_away Updating that by hand looks not reasonable.
12:26 (and as RM presumptive for 3.12, I'd be the one doing it :P)
12:26 mtj im hoping to get some discussion about the tool, so i send an initial patch… for discussion :)
12:27 jcamins_away wajasu likes it.
12:27 mtj but yeah… that .lock file could be autogened, from a script, at install time
12:28 jcamins_away That's the ticket!
12:29 Surely you didn't just write all that by hand. Just copy your history into a script, and attach that too. :)
12:33 mtj no, not written by hand -  and yes, i'll attach the build steps too
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13:05 mtj jcamins_away, install steps added to bug, ftw
13:19 jcamins mtj++
13:24 mtompset number?
13:24 wahanui number is right
13:24 mtompset wahanui: forget number
13:24 wahanui mtompset: I forgot number
13:25 * mtompset waves bye.
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13:29 * Guest8029 waves
13:29 * jcamins waves back.
13:29 jcamins I came across a recipe that I thought "ooh, wizzyrea would love this," but now I can't remember what it was.
13:29 wizzyrea :)
13:29 it will come to you
13:30 * druthb waves to wizzyrea.
13:30 wizzyrea sup peeps
13:31 oleonard Hi wizz and jc
13:32 * jcamins waves to oleonard.
13:32 nengard I'm trying to document bug 7993 but I'm not sure how to add a subgroup .. I put some in the authorized value but they don't show when adding a report ? can someone who tested this (or who understands this) point me in the right direction?
13:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7993 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , saved report with hierarchies
13:33 nengard speaking of recipes ? I'm gonna try this later this week (once the ingredients arrive): http://www.skinnytaste.com/201[…]-oats-in-jar.html
13:33 YUM!
13:34 mveron oleonard++  (For signing off Bug 8810 tha fast! )
13:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8810 normal, P3, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Opac: Cart should display branchname instead of branchcode
13:35 * oleonard likes an easy signoff to distract him from other work
13:36 nengard :)
13:41 figured bug 7993 out .. now to figure out how to make that clear to people reading the manual
13:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7993 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , saved report with hierarchies
13:41 * oleonard looks forward to learning how that works
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13:52 samuel hi to all
13:53 could someone explain to me this message "ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/*mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) "
13:53 jcamins samuel: it means MySQL is not running, most likely.
13:54 Or you have the path wrong.
13:54 Probably the wrong path.
13:54 I don't know what that "*" would be doing there.
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14:02 drojf in what path would i find the actual mysql data used by my koha installation?
14:02 jcamins drojf: uh-oh
14:02 gmcharlt drojf: /var/lib/mysql (most commonly)
14:03 jcamins /var/lib/mysql/[database]/* + /var/lib/mysql/ibdata*
14:03 First has table definitions, second has data, I think.
14:03 drojf ah yes there we are. thanks a lot gmcharlt and jcamins
14:04 * drojf is putting together bits and pieces of his development pi
14:04 jcamins Easiest is to restore *all* MySQL databases at once when recovering from ibdata, I think.
14:04 gmcharlt jcamins: (depends - if you have innodb_file_per_table set, /var/lib/mysql/database/* also has the data)
14:05 jcamins gmcharlt: ah, true.
14:05 drojf i'll try to just copy the whole /var folder over from the broken installation to the backup i restored i guess.
14:07 either it will explode or not ;)
14:07 mveron oleonard: If you like to get the score point on the dshboard you should switch status Bug 8810 to signed off  :-)
14:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8810 normal, P3, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Opac: Cart should display branchname instead of branchcode
14:08 * oleonard forgets when git-bz is doing everything else for him
14:08 mveron :-)
14:08 jcamins oleonard: that's why I hacked git-bz to do it for me.
14:08 jcamins' git-bz?
14:08 * drojf considers stealing the point just for the fun of it :P
14:09 mveron drojf: As I did wit one of your points a couple of weeks ago...
14:09 jcamins jcamins' git-bz is https://github.com/jcamins/git-bz
14:09 oleonard How does it work jcamins?
14:09 * mveron should put his glasses...
14:09 drojf mveron: exactly ;)
14:10 jcamins oleonard: exactly the same as the regular one, except you uncomment the new status you want to set.
14:10 mveron ddrojf: But I gave you the chance to get an other point back  :-)
14:10 jcamins The only problem is that if you uncomment an illegal status, it gets very grouchy and you have to repeat the command.
14:11 oleonard "illegal?"
14:11 drojf mveron: yes, also we did not know then that you would get the point for that :)
14:11 jcamins oleonard: if you try to move from "Needs Signoff" to "Passed QA" or "Pushed to Master" to "Needs Signoff."
14:11 That sort of thing.
14:11 oleonard Clever.
14:12 nengard uh oh! my favorite reports feature doesn't work anymore
14:12 bug 8811
14:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8811 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't run report after saving
14:14 drojf i guess i will have to limp to the library to renew my books before restoring my koha git. damn short loan period
14:16 jcamins nengard: are you sure the link ever got into Koha?
14:16 I remember testing it, but never actually saw it outside my test branch.
14:16 nengard it's there in 3.8.4
14:17 jcamins Oh.
14:17 Huh.
14:17 Guess this would be because I rarely create new reports.
14:18 nengard added an image from 3.8.4
14:18 all I do is create reports :)
14:24 kf_afk nengard: do you have permission to run the reports?
14:24 nengard i'm superlibrarian
14:24 kf_afk I think creating and running are different
14:24 maybe try adding the perm for a test?
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14:25 * oleonard agrees that nengard is
14:27 oleonard I don't even remember seeing that button before
14:29 wajasu libsysguy: did you see my comment about using $ENV{'DBIC_DONT_VALIDATE_RELS'} = 1; to squelch the the DBIx validation warning?
14:29 oleonard nengard: The link doesn't appear because [% id %] is not present in the template, and the button doesn't work because [% id %] isn't present in the template
14:30 the edit button won't work either for the same reason
14:30 nengard so it's a template bug?
14:30 can you fix it? if so I'll sign off immediately :)
14:30 both button and link used to work
14:30 and have been there for a while :)
14:30 * oleonard is checking
14:32 oleonard nengard: Are you in master?
14:32 nengard ues
14:32 or
14:32 yes
14:35 * oleonard blames Bug 7993
14:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7993 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , saved report with hierarchies
14:35 nengard oleonard yes, that's what I'm documenting
14:35 that's where i found the problem
14:36 figured if it was a small template fix though it just needed a new bug report instead of messing with the bigger dev/feature
14:37 oleonard No, not a template bug as far as I can tell. Something changed which used to pass the report ID to the template after saving a new report (work with editing a report)
14:38 kf_afk uhoh.
14:38 oleonard Oh wait, maybe I spoke too soon
14:42 nengard about which?
14:46 oleonard Figured it out
14:46 The part of the script which passes the report name and id was summarily dropped.
14:46 Was it considered superfluous? I don't know.
14:48 No, it's bug introduced by changes to the script
14:48 nengard meh
14:48 * oleonard fixes
14:48 nengard oooo :)(
14:48 that was :)
14:48 can't type today
14:53 libsysguy wajasu: sorry I was AFK
14:53 oleonard patch sent
14:53 jcamins++ # for the git-bz tweak
14:53 libsysguy yeah I saw it, I was trying to decide how to proceed
14:55 wajasu: if that went in would it merit a sign-off?
14:55 ;)
14:55 jcamins oleonard: I suppose I should also add a "take this bug" option to git-bz.
14:56 oleonard Yes, and have it give my coffee a warm-up too
14:59 nengard oleonard++
15:01 libsysguy anybody seen bug 8798 yet?
15:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8798 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Needs Signoff , Add the use of DBIx::Class
15:02 libsysguy it needs a sign-offer from a good friend :p
15:02 * jcamins has played with it.
15:02 libsysguy didn't you have some issues jcamins?
15:02 i mean other than the normal ones :p
15:03 jcamins libsysguy: I did, yes.
15:03 libsysguy did you get them worked out?  or are they still pending
15:03 * jcamins hasn't decided yet what the proper response is.
15:03 * libsysguy is concerned you're waiting to pounce with a fail flag :p
15:04 jcamins lol
15:04 reiveune bye
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15:04 libsysguy he always does that
15:05 jcamins I think we need to have some kind of buffer against CPANed DBIx::Class screwing things up, since that's not going to be an uncommon issue for anyone who decided to try using Solr.
15:05 kf_afk jcamins: so are you pro or contra dbx:class is probably the question ;)
15:06 oh
15:06 jcamins kf_afk: pro DBIx::Class.
15:06 Very strongly.
15:06 kf_afk is it only on cpan?
15:06 jcamins kf_afk: no, it's in packages.
15:06 The version in packages works great.
15:06 The last version from CPAN works great.
15:06 The version that was in CPAN when the Solr code was added to Koha does not work.
15:07 libsysguy so basically it works as long as you're not tinkering with solr
15:08 if you are, you're going to have to fix your packages
15:08 jcamins libsysguy: it works as long as you *weren't* tinkering with Solr.
15:08 kf_afk ah
15:08 libsysguy right
15:08 kf_afk so in solr the version is hardcoded soewhere?
15:08 jcamins You can play with it all you want now.
15:08 Nope.
15:08 kf_afk or it won't work with the newer?
15:08 libsysguy thats what I meant, I just didn't say it well
15:08 wajasu libsysguy: yes. i'd signoff
15:08 kf_afk or what I am missing here?
15:08 jcamins kf_afk: the problem is that developers who tried Solr right when it was added to Koha will encounter an error that won't be encountered by anyone else.
15:08 libsysguy ok i think i have completed my bribe of wajasu :p
15:09 jk wajasyu
15:09 wajasu**
15:09 jcamins kf_afk: so I'd like to find some way of warning people who may have installed DBIx::Class from CPAN while it was unstable that they need to just switch to packages.
15:10 Actually, no, it wasn't even DBIx::Class that was the problem.
15:10 It was Scalar::Utils.
15:10 I think.
15:10 kf_afk ok, still confused
15:10 wahanui somebody said confused was "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
15:10 kf_afk but I am sure you know what you are talking about :)
15:13 bye all :)
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15:14 libsysguy ok wajasu its updated
15:14 wajasu ok. testing...
15:14 wahanui i think testing is fun! or easier when you have a test plan. Hint hint.
15:18 oleonard Nice try anyway wahanui
15:19 libsysguy wahanui sounds like rangi's puppet :p
15:19 wahanui libsysguy: huh?
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15:30 wajasu libsysguy: in my debian VM,  when i run perl Makefile.PL, at the end it says:  Warning: prerequisite DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader 0.07033 not found. We have 0.07000.
15:31 i suppose i need to update DBIx
15:31 libsysguy probably
15:31 or we could just downgrade the install file
15:31 I just inserted the version I had
15:31 wajasu would that just be     apt-get update?
15:32 libsysguy i would assume so
15:32 wajasu give me time to get through  that.
15:33 libsysguy *assuming you have that package installed
15:34 * libsysguy would like to note the best part of DBIx::Class is the export trace function
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15:35 nengard jcamins you signed off on bug 7986 - can you tell me what the values should look like in that preferene? is it a comma separated list of fields?
15:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7986 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Export issues
15:35 wajasu it got a Test::DBIx::Class   and Test::myslqd  trait  that can help auto create a fresh mysql instance/schema for tests.
15:35 jcamins nengard: which preference? Doesn't it add two?
15:35 nengard ExportRemoveFields
15:35 is where i'm starting
15:35 wahanui starting is, like, weird
15:35 jcamins Yes, comma-separated.
15:35 As I recall.
15:35 nengard so 100a or 100$a
15:35 there is no indication on the bug reoprt or the preference
15:36 jcamins I think the former. I don't really recall, though.
15:36 It had an example when I tested it.
15:36 nengard hmmm
15:36 jcamins So I just modified the example to remove other fields.
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15:37 nengard you asked for an example in comment 2 but i'm not seeing one in a reply ? unless i'm missing it
15:37 jcamins nengard: I did get the example, because I wasn't able to figure it out initially.
15:37 Probably via IRC.
15:37 nengard right
15:37 that's what I think
15:37 jcamins Let me see if I have that syspref still set.
15:38 I do not.
15:39 nengard hmmm
15:39 okay
15:39 I'll reply on the bug
15:40 jcamins I think it was 100a, etc.
15:40 But, not at all sure.
15:40 libsysguy jcamins, wajasu I just tested updating column definitions with the update script while preserving edited relationships and it works like a charm
15:40 wajasu sweet.
15:49 libsysguy: looking at what has been and may ever be installed on squeeze: https://launchpad.net/debian/+[…]publishinghistory
15:51 the fact that you probably did a cpan install,   will that burn us later 7000-1( squeeze)  vs 7025-1(wheezy), vs 7003(cpan) with a catch-22?
15:52 if folks develop by pulling from cpan, will that never get packaged for squeeze?
15:53 jcamins libsysguy: oh, you're not using the version from Debian?
15:53 libsysguy when I did this install I had to go fetch from packages
15:54 this box *should* be free of all cpam
15:54 wajasu i suspect folks will be on squeeze for some time.   OR  would there be a wheezy requirement by the time this stuff rolls out?
15:54 * jcamins had it work absolutely fine on the Debian version.
15:55 libsysguy in fact I know I haven't run any cpan installs on this box, all my cpan work is on my catalyst box
15:56 wajasu my test environment is official squeeze debian package pull (7000).  that link above only shows 7000-1 for squeeze.  how do you have 7033?
15:58 the test passes on my new fresh VM (with  koha-perl-deps.pl reporting   installed version (0.07000)  and reqd version (0.07033)
15:58 libsysguy oh I know what happened
15:59 instead of doing an apt-cache search I did a cpan search online
15:59 apt-cache show libdbix-class-schema-loader-perl — Version: 0.07000-1
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16:00 wajasu so what is the correct solution? you dropping the version reqd?
16:00 libsysguy yeah
16:01 wajasu ok. i'll wait for the patch update.
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16:01 libsysguy done
16:01 wajasu ok
16:05 libsysguy: did you mean to obsolete the prior Added... ?
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16:06 libsysguy shoot, yes I did
16:06 I can do that in the ticket
16:07 wajasu or i can obsolete it when i upload the signoff patch.
16:07 libsysguy its ok, I got it
16:07 sorry about that
16:07 sometimes its easy to miss that commented out bit
16:08 santy hi all! I'm trying to install koha-latest on centos 6.3 i386. I am following centos 6.2 i386 guide available on koha's wiki.  Right now I'm stuck.  I get Can't locate ZOOM.pm in @INC error when trying to perl Makefile.PL.  Have searched, there seem to be various possible reasons or related dependencies (yaz, libyaz, libyaz-devel , and others) but none of them have worked yet.
16:09 jcamins santy: you probably need to install the Perl libraries for Net::Z3950.
16:10 santy jcamins: do you mean this: yum -y install libnet-z3950-zoom-perl?
16:10 jcamins santy: that sounds reasonable.
16:11 santy i get No package libnet-z3950-zoom-perl available
16:12 jcamins santy: I haven't used CentOS and don't plan on trying it. So I can't comment on what packages you need.
16:12 What you need are the Perl modules for Net::Z3950::*
16:12 You could probably try CPANing them.
16:12 gaetan_B bye
16:12 jcamins cpan Net::Z3950::ZOOM
16:12 (that will pull all the required ones in)
16:13 (well, it would on Debian, provided you installed the C dependencies)
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16:23 martian523 Good morning!
16:23 I have a question from last week
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16:24 rambutan @seen jcamins
16:24 huginn rambutan: jcamins was last seen in #koha 10 minutes and 18 seconds ago: <jcamins> (well, it would on Debian, provided you installed the C dependencies)
16:24 rambutan ping jcamins
16:25 oleonard rambutan: Why don't you just ask him the question rambutan?
16:25 rambutan might could
16:25 * jcamins waves
16:29 martian523 I'm using 3.8.3, when trying to add an "Item Type" in Basic Parameters, according to the manual, there should be a field for renewable.  However, this "Renewable" field is not there when i'm trying to add item.
16:29 and again, i should mention that i'm not IT
16:30 oleonard martian523: According to which manual?
16:30 martian523 the koha manual
16:30 http://manual.koha-community.o[…]tml#itemtypeadmin
16:30 oleonard Which Koha manual? What's the link?
16:31 I believe that is an error martian523
16:31 martian523 what is the error?
16:31 oleonard You can set the number of renewals for an item type in Circulation and Fine rules
16:32 martian523 ok...now my next question
16:32 oleonard That line, "Enter the total number of renewals allowed for the item type in the 'Renewals' box" should be removed from the manual (attn: nengard )
16:32 martian523 i did the circulation and fine rules for all my other item types
16:32 nengard k
16:33 martian523 but last week, we came across an item that does not allow any renewals, i set that up, and it seems like it can still let me renew
16:34 oleonard martian523: Could it be getting overridden by a more-specific rule somewhere? Library-specific or patron-specific or something like that?
16:35 martian523 well, my original settings is patron specific, all types, renewal allowed 1 time
16:35 so that all types override that specific type?
16:36 oleonard Do you have a default rule set up?
16:36 all patrons/all types/all libraries?
16:38 halcyonCorsair mtj: I'll check it out
16:38 martian523 patron specific/all types/library specific.  ie. Alumni, all items, my library, renewals allowed (1)
16:40 so when I tried to set, all patrons/new book type/renewals allowed (0), it gets override?
16:40 oleonard martian523: I don't know if it's related to your issue, but it is recommended that you start with a default rule set up for all patrons/all types/all libraries.
16:44 halcyonCorsair mtj: that might make life a fair bit easier
16:53 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "I need some git help - how do I push my changes - what is this trying to say?" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/195
16:55 jcamins nengard: you amended a commit to the manual, most likely.
16:56 nengard I did not type --amend in any commands ? so how did I do that without knowing?
16:56 and how do I undo it?
16:56 jcamins Either that or you need to merge your new changes.
16:56 Or you're on the wrong branch.
16:56 That last just occurred to me.
16:57 I have no idea how you got a non-fastforward change, but I think probably you could merge the remote branch in, resolve any conflict, and continue on your merry way.
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17:05 nengard jcamins what's the command to merge?
17:07 jcamins nengard: git merge. You'll have to experiment -- I'd recommend doing it in a new branch -- to figure out how exactly to resolve the problem.
17:24 Goodness. A married illustrator duo: Lois and Louis.
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17:35 jcamins Is jsicot saying that AuthHierarchy doesn't work for him anymore, or that it's like a zombie risen from the grave?
17:36 wizzyrea the updatedatabase of death?
17:37 jcamins wizzyrea: that's what I got from it, too.
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18:03 santy hi, have been trying to cpan and compile Net::Z3950::ZOOM v 1.28,1.26,1.25, using both yaz 3.0.49-1.el6, and 4.2.33-2.el6, but keep getting t/15-scan.t and t/25-scan.t errors when making test.  And there aren't any package with z3950 as part of their name for centos.  Can anyone give me a hint?
18:03 jcamins santy: it will have something to do with yaz, most likely.
18:04 santy why?
18:04 jcamins Because Net::Z3950::ZOOM uses yaz libraries.
18:05 And if it were missing something core, surely you'd have more errors.
18:05 (i.e. dependency must exist, just not be working right)
18:06 You could try skipping the tests, but I would like to point out again that I have no direct experience using CentOS. I am merely telling you what I *do* know, because you're going to have enough trouble without my sharing my non-CentOS knowledge.
18:07 *not sharing
18:08 santy ok, you mean just make installing and praying?
18:08 jcamins Right.
18:08 I'm not saying it's a good idea.
18:08 I'm saying, maybe later on you'll encounter something that explains the error so you can go back and fix it.
18:08 santy so shall it be then
18:10 centos comes with yaz 3.0.49-1 package... should I go for it or use yaz 4.2 from fedora? wht would you do?
18:10 nengard_lunch someone hacked the wiki homepage - i fixed it and blocked them - but it looks like we're getting spammed with people signing up again: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ial:RecentChanges
18:13 jcamins santy: I have yaz 4.0.11.
18:14 oleonard nengard: I had a friend ask me for help with a sudden deluge of comment spam. I wonder if there's a new bot on the market that defeats CAPTCHAs which were previously useful?
18:15 jcamins santy: https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug[…]lay.html?id=77861 <-- looks like someone else had this problem.
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18:16 jcamins santy: it looks like Andi Sugandi eventually got Koha installed on CentOS 6.2.
18:16 Based on my e-mail archives, I think he had trouble with almost every single step.
18:17 santy: e-mail says 4.2 and do a force install.
18:17 santy lol... thanks for the link... well, I tried version 1.28,1.26,1.25,1.24, they all yielded a lot of errors
18:18 ok, will keep yaz 4.2 and force the install
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18:29 * jcamins tried tweeting at him to ask if he had encountered a problem with AuthDisplayHierarchies.
18:30 jcamins I'm not sure it worked, and not sure that I understood what he said anyway.
18:30 wizzyrea that guy seems irritated.
18:31 maybe it's a cultural thing.
18:33 jcamins Or a language thing.
18:34 oleonard I met him in Marseille, he's not a troll.
18:37 * oleonard denies the allegation that the jquery calendar is always in US format
18:38 oleonard ...but if there's an exception I'd like to know about it.
18:38 nengard can somoene tell me how to checkout the manual3.8.x branch?
18:38 I deleted mine cause it was borked
18:38 but don't have notes on how to pull it down again apparently
18:38 jcamins git checkout -b manual3.8.x origin/manual3.8.x?
18:38 Substituting the appropriate names in the appropriate places.
18:39 It's no different from checkout out a branch when working on Koha.
18:39 nengard jcamins I've never done that :)
18:39 but thanks now I can do it on manual and Koha :)
18:39 jcamins nengard: you must, otherwise you wouldn't be able to test things. You probably just call it something else.
18:40 nengard I create branches, but don't pull branches down
18:40 I create a new branch and then apply the patch to that branch
18:40 not quite the same as what I'm doing here
18:41 jcamins Uhh, yes it is.
18:42 A branch is a branch is a branch.
18:42 santy jcamins: how essential is this... perl translate install zh-Hans-TW
18:42 jcamins santy: uhhh... do you want Chinese?
18:42 If not, entirely unnecessary.
18:42 santy can I brute force install it, too?
18:42 ah ok
18:42 great
18:42 jcamins You don't need to do that at all.
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18:43 santy it's just on the howto with no explanation, so I figured it could be something important
18:44 jcamins Nope. Apparently CentOS is popular in Chinese-speaking areas. :)
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19:01 mtj nengard, theres a synced backup on github too, fyi -> https://github.com/Koha-Community/KohaDocs
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19:15 halcyonCorsair mtj: i'm keen on any feedback you have on the chef-koha stuff in terms of specific use cases, etc
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19:16 mtj halcyonCorsair,  yep - will do
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19:29 rangi On shitty WiFi can someone fix the wiki front page
19:29 jcamins rangi: nengard said she did.
19:29 * rangi is gone again
19:29 rangi Ta
19:30 nengard is it broken again?
19:31 jcamins nengard: doesn't look like it, no.
19:31 nengard whew
19:31 jcamins Though I might be looking at a cached copy, I guess.
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19:40 mtj i wonder if newer versions of mediawiki have better anti-spam systems
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20:29 * oleonard whispers "Goodbye" to all the sleeping #kohaers
20:29 * jcamins isn't sleeping.
20:30 is battling a serial.
20:30 is losing.
20:30 * mveron just 'fixed' Bug 8796
20:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8796 major, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , patron cards not starting on designated card
20:30 * mbalmer is listening to new zztop :P
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20:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #855 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #853 3 days 10 hr ago)
20:56 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5356 follow-up DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f81be962578437c16> / Bug 5356: Followup: remove useless code <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]96eb3c07a67f0cdf7> / Bug 5356: Followup: Add basket billing and delivery place on export pdf (layout3pages) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;
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21:09 martian523 Hi, as I was entering a barcode for my item, the barcode number became a skype number for some reason.  is there a way to fix that?
21:10 jcamins martian523: no, that's a problem with your browser.
21:10 martian523 o really?
21:11 but just that particular number, all the others are fine
21:11 rangi yes, its your browser doing autocomplete
21:11 koha has utterly no idea what your skype numbers are:)
21:12 in fact Koha hates skype for the proprietary annoying thing that it is
21:12 (well it would if it was a human)
21:13 libsysguy anybody on used DBIx::Class?
21:14 I can't for the life of me figure out how to do an or instead of an and
21:14 in a where clause*
21:18 wajasu you get to be the first :)   keep notes for the wiki for other folks later if you can.
21:19 * wajasu have to head out to get brake light switch so car will move out of park
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21:31 libsysguy ah ha! i figured it out
21:33 * jcamins decides to call it a day, since appparently his wife got home about six hours earlier than expected.
21:34 jcamins Good night, #koha.
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21:41 pastebot "libsysguy" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Where with OR" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/196
21:41 libsysguy there is how to do an or statement with DBIx::Class
22:01 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #855: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/855/
22:01 * jonathan.druart: Bug 5356: delivery place and billing place centralised in basket management
22:01 * jonathan.druart: Bug 5356: Followup: Add basket billing and delivery place on export pdf (layout3pages)
22:01 * jonathan.druart: Bug 5356: Followup: remove useless code
22:01 * Paul Poulain: Bug 5356 follow-up DBRev number
22:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5356 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Shipping billing address improvements
22:05 mveron Good night #koha
22:05 quit
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22:09 wajasu libsysguy: that was just what i was thinking ;)
22:10 eythian hi
22:11 wajasu hi
22:11 wahanui hey, wajasu
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22:12 wajasu ut oh
22:12 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
22:13 wajasu mtompset: remember the koha_perl_deps.pl enhancement to generate a cpanfile?
22:13 mtompset vaguely.
22:14 wajasu did you have any outstanding opinion.  i wonder if i should submit that as an enhancement?  or did you see anything wrong with it.
22:16 maybe i'll just submit it and see what the fallout/ideas come about.
22:16 mtompset Well, if I recall, the only thing I thought was strange was the way you handled the flag.
22:16 wajasu because i was dependent on the other flags?
22:16 mtompset -m -u -a -i ... those are the core flags.
22:17 your tweak added -g? as a core flag, but it behaved otherwise.
22:18 It's a good idea. I just didn't like the implementation.
22:18 wajasu i get you now.  it should be an ooptional.  ok. will revise.
22:19 mtompset right... so -m -g and -i -g and -u -g and -a -g would all make sense but produce different output.
22:20 and I think -g doesn't make sense in combination with a -b, does it?
22:20 wajasu thats what i intended.  i was trying to see if there is value in allowing those combos.   instead of just (-a -g)
22:21 you are right  -b -g  is not useful.
22:21 mtompset So you might need to add some sanity check on the flags.
22:21 wajasu ok. i'll do that then.
22:21 mtj wajasu, i can think of some nice other uses for your tweak too
22:22 wajasu as it is or do you want me to add more logic?
22:22 mtj … generating a cpanfile based on your installed modules, not the required modules
22:23 wajasu that's new functionality right?    that would pretty much cover all bases.
22:24 mtj ie: generate both on a deb-stable box, and diff the errors, etc
22:24 wajasu gotcha.
22:24 mtj afaik, the feature doesnt exist... yet
22:26 wajasu i have been having succes with cpanm -L  local .          and then i do  du -s -h local  to see how many megabytes of usage.
22:27 mtj ^^ its the nicest way yet, to spot those errors
22:27 wajasu carton has and issue with matching ExtUtils::MakeMaker version, and i like the   carton show and carton tree commands, but with the "issue"  carton check seems to bail.
22:28 but just with cpanm its all worht it.
22:28 mtj yeah, i spotted some cartons glitches too, ( i didnt know if it was just me, or not)
22:29 cpanm and carton play pretty nice together  (same author)
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22:31 mtj wajasu, hmm, i was going to QA a bug for you some days ago… what was it?
22:32 wajasu somethin i signed off on for someone?
22:34 maybe 8702 for fridolyn
22:38 or libsysguy's 8798 (i just signed off on that).    or  8780 (thats easy, mtopset's)
22:39 my main bug that i worked on was 8378, but that is pushed to master
22:39 * wajasu i've got to go help a friend replace a brake light switch. fun fun fun.
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22:54 jenkins_koha Starting build #185 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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23:06 * mtompset sings, "Hi ho! Hi ho! Let's split the big, great wall."
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23:14 YoungPublicLibrarian Hello everyone! Just popping on to ask a really hard question
23:16 Question is: How would one create a report that displayed the itype BOOK separated into Fiction and Non-Fiction?
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23:17 jcamins_away YoungPublicLibrarian: do you have that data in the record somewhere?
23:17 (note: I'm really not here)
23:17 (you can tell by the way I'm not responding:P)
23:18 YoungPublicLibrarian lol, okay. Well, I'm not actually sure....is there a way I could look?
23:18 jcamins_away I have no idea. You'd have to ask your catalogers if there is any indication.
23:19 There's a chance you have literary form set for fiction.
23:19 But then again you might not.
23:19 Depends on how strict your cataloging policies have been over the last fifty years.
23:19 YoungPublicLibrarian Hm...the call number differs for NF and F, but I don't know if that has anything to do with what I'm wanting to do...
23:21 jcamins_away If that works for you, there's a report on the wiki that should do it.
23:22 Anyone around who could test something for me?
23:23 YoungPublicLibrarian Which report would that be? I looked, but I have been looking at the screen all day...may have missed it. lol
23:23 jcamins_away YoungPublicLibrarian: something about items in a call number range.
23:23 mtj jcamins_away, me perhaps?
23:23 jcamins_away mtj: does the CCSR theme load YUI properly?
23:24 YoungPublicLibrarian Ah, yes...no I remember. I tried that one but it gave so many results that my director went cross eyed...
23:24 jcamins_away YoungPublicLibrarian: of course it did.
23:24 You're going to have scads.
23:24 * jcamins_away leaves again to eat dinner.
23:24 jcamins_away mtj: could you highlight me with your answer so I see it later?
23:25 YoungPublicLibrarian lol, yeah...so now I'm working on finding something simpler...thanks for the help though.
23:25 jcamins_away YoungPublicLibrarian: you're going to have a ton of results.
23:26 mtj jcamins_away, yep - it does :)
23:26 jcamins_away mtj: it does load YUI properly? Good.
23:27 Hrm.
23:27 Thanks.
23:27 YoungPublicLibrarian Thanks Jcamins, I'll keep working on it.
23:27 * jcamins_away really leaves.
23:29 mtj left side facets are wonky tho
23:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #185: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/185/
23:33 nengard: Bug 8721: Fixes minor typo in AllowItemsOnHoldCheckout
23:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8721 minor, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Stable , typo in  AllowItemsOnHoldCheckout
23:35 jcamins_away mtj: yeah, YUI isn't loading.
23:35 I could swear I patched that, too.
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23:38 jcamins_away Oh well. I'll repatch it.
23:42 * eythian uploads 3.6 and 3.8 packages
23:43 eythian mtompset: packages update with 17 minutes to spare :)
23:43 *updated
23:44 mtompset Hmmm... I see it.
23:44 But the package is kept back?
23:44 eythian yes
23:45 it has new dependencies, so won't upgrade as part of a normal upgrade
23:45 you have to explicitly upgrade it, or do a dist-upgrade
23:45 I will be emailing to that effect soon.
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23:52 * mtompset begins to upgrade his Q/A area.
23:58 groans.
23:58 mtompset I have to reindex now, don't I?

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