IRC log for #koha, 2012-09-23

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02:39 bwagman Would like to request US-MARC support for MARC records
02:40 Is there a basic html template that is available to use for the MAIN OPAC Block? Something that I can start with?
02:41 Hello?
02:41 wahanui Hello are u there?
02:42 bwagman I am here but your the first person other than me typing
02:43 Would like to request US-MARC support for MARC records
02:43 Is there a basic html template that is available to use for the MAIN OPAC Block? Something that I can start with?
02:44 When someone is ready to talk here is my email: brandonwagman@rainbowserenity.org
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05:52 wajasu folks just did a new release today, and your best bet for help is monday/tuesday.
06:33 magnuse kia ora #koha!
06:33 * magnuse listens to the echo
06:40 mtj happy weekend magnuse
06:45 magnuse thanks the same mtj!
07:17 mtj oooh lianza2012
07:22 rangi: i think i've 'improved' the 'Latest Koha contributors' stats, from ohloh -> http://dash1.kohaaloha.com/
07:23 they do seem a few days laggy :/  but automated :)
07:25 'Melia Meggs 2012-09-11' was the most recent committer, according to ohloh
07:28 (the test db is many weeks old, so most stats are incorrect)
08:05 magnuse mtj: http://dash1.kohaaloha.com/ gives me server not found
08:05 http://dash.kohaaloha.com/ seems to work, though
09:04 oh normarc, how much do i hate thee?
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09:19 magnuse kia ora mbalmer
09:20 mbalmer good morning!
09:21 magnuse would be even better if i didn't have to mess around with normarc xslt...
09:22 mbalmer marc is fun, imo ;)
09:22 magnuse good for you! :-)
09:24 mbalmer thank goodness I am not involved in anything marc related in koha but can do it for pure fun only...
09:27 magnuse yeah, count yourself lucky
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09:43 magnuse kia ora cait!
09:44 cait hi magnuse :)
09:44 magnuse \o/
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10:05 mtompset Greetings, #koha. Indexing nightmare resolved. :)
10:07 drojf dear sir. i don't understand your mailing list, so you should use my webforum. kindly guide.
10:07 good day #koha
10:09 cait good morning drojf
10:09 magnuse lol
10:09 and hiya mtompset and drojf
10:10 mtompset drojf: Someone did point out the web forum interfaces to the mailing list to that person.
10:10 drojf hi cait, magnuse and mtompset
10:10 mtompset Greetings, drojf cait magnuse
10:11 drojf mtompset: i'm sure someone did that before, i think it was here on irc
10:12 cait hi mtompset
10:12 mtompset The funny thing is... that information is at the bottom of http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/
10:12 I guess people don't like scrolling down.
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10:25 magnuse hiya tcohen
10:25 tcohen hi magnuse
10:26 what an impressive list of bugfixes for 3.8.5
10:29 magnuse yeah, getting better every day!
10:41 mtompset Greetings, tcohen.
10:42 I was surprised that I had five bug fixes in 3.8.5
10:42 You work on tiny fixes, and you don't realize they accumulate.
10:43 magnuse hehe mtompset++
10:43 mtompset Thanks, magnuse.
10:46 tcohen mtompset++
10:49 mtompset I couldn't have done this without the support of my financial partners. A well run library means access for translators to current useful translation information which means someone gets life changing information made available in their language.
11:56 Anything new with anyone? Or is it just your typical weekend?
12:00 tcohen just waiting for my sunday's tennis match
12:12 mtompset watching or playing?
12:18 tcohen mtompset, playing
12:18 there's some latency in my side, sorry
12:18 having breakfast right now
12:19 mtompset Not a problem.
12:19 I'm toggling windows, so I don't respond quickly.
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13:00 koyauni is there any instruction for upgrading Koha 3.8 to 3.8.5 on Debian 6+ please
13:01 mtompset Which kind of install did you do again, koyauni?
13:01 packages, right?
13:02 sudo apt-get install koha-common?
13:03 3.8.5 packages haven't been released yet.
13:04 My guess is the upgrade is pretty simple: sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade, go to the administrative interface, click through the upgrade process (if any) there, and then do a full reindex. If there are problems, check out bug 6566.
13:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6566 enhancement, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Master , Checking if DB records are properly indexed
13:15 koyauni I did common pack
13:16 then I have to wait if it has not been released yet
13:24 There is no upgrade process in Admin page
13:34 mtompset not admin page. the staff client.
13:35 if you log in to the staff client and there is an web installer page, then you need to do the full reindex, and if you have problems look at the bug I mentioned.
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13:51 mtompset Greetings, wajasu.
14:23 * mtompset waves bye.
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14:55 mveron Hi #koha
15:59 santy centos
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16:50 drojf wow, there is even a link to the fork on that "koha community forum" :(
16:57 mtj ptfs--
17:06 drojf how would i check out 3.8.5 in git?
17:07 mtj the same way you would get out 3.8.4 in git
17:07 git reset --hard TAG
17:07 drojf i guess so… and how is that? :D i only ever checked out origin/master
17:08 cool, thanks
17:09 mtj so...
17:09 $ git fetch --tag
17:09 $ git tag
17:10 git reset --hard v3.08.05
17:12 before the git reset, i usually make a 3.8.5 branch, then change to it, then reset TAG
17:13 drojf that's what i did now, thanks :)
17:13 mtj++
17:13 mtj then chery-pick patches from your master branch, of whatever you wanna do
17:15 the trick is… a TAG is just another name for a specific commit, in git
17:15 for me, understanding that made tags easy
17:16 drojf yeah that makes sense
17:17 hm segmentation fault does not make sense
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18:43 jcamins_away zeno++
19:18 ExtraordinaryBen joined #koha
19:21 ExtraordinaryBen Hello, I'm trying to get the cron job setup to rebuild zebra's index (following the Koha on Ubuntu guide on the Wiki,) every 5 minutes. But anything I put in /etc/cron.d/koha doesn't seem to run.. (Even a simple echo command.) Any help would be appreciated. ;)
19:31 jcamins_away ExtraordinaryBen: if you used packages, the packages should handle that for you. If you used a tarball, I still recommend that you use your user's crontab.
19:32 ExtraordinaryBen Yeah, I used a tarball when I installed
19:33 I'm just trying to debug if it's actually running.
19:33 jcamins_away ExtraordinaryBen: I wouldn't be able to help you with /etc/cron.d.
19:33 I've been using Linux since my FreeBSD system died 6 years ago, and I have never had a use for /etc/cron.d.
19:34 ExtraordinaryBen Okay, I can give crontab a go. ;)
19:39 @jcamins: Okay, here's what I've got in crontab for testing: */1 *    *   *   *   /usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -z && echo "Successful rebuild of Zebra Database!"
19:39 huginn ExtraordinaryBen: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
19:43 jcamins_away ExtraordinaryBen: once per minute is too frequently.
19:43 And you need to set KOHA_CONF and PERL5LIB in the crontab.
19:43 mtj ExtraordinaryBen, just use the packages...
19:44 jcamins_away There is an example.crontab somewhere.
19:44 And, yes, packages are superior in every way.
19:45 mtj having a problem configuring cron?, use the packages
19:45 ExtraordinaryBen Yeah, I was thinking a minute was too frequent. :P Alrighty, I will try to get to work on that. (Though I'd hate to start all over again. :P)
19:50 Okay, so, whats the best way to go about this in my situation then? I've already setup Koha using a tarball, and we've already begun adding books to the catalog, do I just install the package or is there some cleaning up of the instance I have now I should do first?
19:52 jcamins_away ExtraordinaryBen: easiest is probably just install the packages, create an instance, and then change the koha-conf.xml file for that instance to point to your current database.5D
19:53 ExtraordinaryBen Okay, thanks. ;)
19:59 Bah, packages aren't friendly when using powerpc hardware. :P  W: Failed to fetch http://debian.koha-community.o[…]squeeze/InRelease  Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-powerpc/Packages' in Release file (Wrong sources.list entry or malformed file)  E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
20:00 jcamins_away ExtraordinaryBen: oh, you're on PowerPC?
20:01 You should have mentioned that... I just knew you were using Ubuntu or Debian per our recommendation. :P
20:01 ExtraordinaryBen Yup, I hadn't considered that packages for Koha would be hardware specific.
20:01 jcamins_away They're not, but you need a different line in the source.list file.
20:01 raspberry pi?
20:01 wahanui Raspberry Pi embedded computers run Koha just fine. :) See http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_a_Raspberry_Pi
20:01 jcamins_away ^^ if you look for the apt line there, that'll tell you what to put in.
20:02 ExtraordinaryBen Awesome, is there anything Pi cannot do? :D
20:03 jcamins_away We only have an amd64 system for building packages, so other architectures aren't built automatically, despite the fact that nothing is compiled.
20:12 ExtraordinaryBen Okay, package installation is underway. :)
20:21 Okay, packages are done now. But I'm rather clueless where to go from here
20:30 Anyone? I've got a Koha system "down for system maintenance" now. How do I go about setting up this new instance of Koha with the packages now that my old tarball instance no longer works?
20:34 Grr.. this is why I was concerned about installing the packages. It's broken my tarball instance and the Wiki guide doesn't really explain how to do things under my circumstances.
20:37 This is so not cool leaving me hanging...
20:38 cait if it's in maintenance
20:39 normally logging into the staff interface will trigger a database update
20:39 or you have to switch the maintenance system preference
20:39 it's late in a lot of places of the world
20:39 and it's weekend
20:40 ExtraordinaryBen True, and thanks.
20:44 mtj do your setup on a different system, for starters - so you dont have that problem in the 1st place :(
20:47 ExtraordinaryBen mtj: I was following what jcamins recommended
20:48 jcamins_away ExtraordinaryBen: there is a reason my nick is *_away*
20:49 If you want guaranteed help on a Sunday, you may pay me.
20:49 Otherwise, I will try and help amongst and in between those other things I am doing.
20:50 ExtraordinaryBen fair enough
20:55 Okay, I've got access to the staff interface, it's doing the web installer. How do I go about setting it up to old config?
20:56 jcamins_away ExtraordinaryBen: open up /etc/koha/sites/whatever/koha-conf.xml and change it so that the database name, user, and password (at the end) match your old config.
20:56 No need to go through the whole web installer.
20:59 ExtraordinaryBen Okay. everything seems to be working. Sorry for getting all steamed up earlier. I tend to get frustrated when I can't figure things out on my own.
20:59 Hopefully using the packages will allow Zebra to build it's index automatically now? Or is there something I still need to do?
21:00 jcamins_away ExtraordinaryBen: three things.
21:01 1) disable the cron jobs you set up manually
21:01 2) open the staff client to go through the upgrade database process.
21:01 3) reindex by running `koha-rebuild-zebra --full instancename`
21:02 Oh, one bonus thing:
21:02 Disable the old site file.
21:03 After doing a complete rebuild, the indexing will be done automatically.
21:04 ExtraordinaryBen Hmmm.. is koha-rebuild-zebra a script somewhere? it doesn't seem to work straight from the commandline
21:06 jcamins_away ExtraordinaryBen: it has to be run as root. It's suid. `sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full instance`
21:10 ExtraordinaryBen I don't think I actually have an instancename setup, do I just do 'sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full' then?
21:13 jcamins_away ExtraordinaryBen: what do you mean you dont' have an instancename setup?
21:13 You must have set up an instance.
21:13 It's whatever you called the instance.
21:13 (koha-create whatever)
21:14 ExtraordinaryBen What I mean is. I'm pretty sure the packages just installed where I installed the tarball. (/usr/share/koha) I suppose koha is my instance then
21:14 jcamins_away No, that's not how it works.
21:14 You must have run koha-create?
21:15 ExtraordinaryBen maybe with the tarball last month, but since I've installed the packages
21:15 jcamins_away If you didn't run koha-create, you're still using the tarball install.
21:15 koha-create is only for packages.
21:15 ExtraordinaryBen okay
21:15 jcamins_away So all that did was update some files.
21:15 packages?
21:15 wahanui packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
21:16 jcamins_away At some point you must have diverged from those directions. Could you tell me where?
21:17 ExtraordinaryBen I had been using the "Koha on Ubuntu" guide. So I was never using the Debian guide. (Which explains a lot now.)
21:19 jcamins_away Ah.
21:19 Yes, that would be a problem.
21:20 (I mean, not a "oh no, your system is screwed up forever" problem, just a "well, that's a nuisance" problem)
21:23 ExtraordinaryBen Okay, instance "library" created. how to I disable the old site file?
21:25 jcamins_away `sudo a2dissite oldfile`
21:25 Now you're going to open up /etc/koha/sites/library/koha-conf.xml and modify the database, username, and password at the end.
21:25 (alternatively, you can load the data into the koha_library database)
21:26 (I prefer the second option; for some unknown reason, everyone else always takes the first)
21:29 ExtraordinaryBen first one seems easier. Rather than copying databases.
21:31 Is there somewhere I need to add the zebra user and password? Or is that only for the Ubuntu guide?
21:33 jcamins_away You never need to set the Zebra user and password.
21:33 You can always just leave it as the default.
21:36 ExtraordinaryBen Okay, the old "koha" site is disabled. The new Library instance seems to be having some overlap issue
21:36 when restarting apache2
21:36 http://74.85.46.58/
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21:36 jcamins_away o.O
21:37 I have no idea how that happened.
21:37 ExtraordinaryBen * Restarting web server apache2                                                 [Sun Sep 23 14:35:33 2012] [warn] _default_ VirtualHost overlap on port 80, the first has precedence  ... waiting [Sun Sep 23 14:35:34 2012] [warn] _default_ VirtualHost overlap on port 80, the first has precedence
21:37 jcamins_away I have never seen anything like that before.
21:37 Waylon greetings all. .... Happy birthday Nate., anyway, ... damnit.....
21:37 jcamins_away Yeah, but the output probably isn't from that.
21:38 apache2ctl -S
21:38 Use paste.koha-community.org
21:39 ExtraordinaryBen Ah, there seems to be a site called "default" that's on port 80
21:39 Waylon oh right... anyone like the idea of user accounts able to be assigned to multiple branches, and they only able to search inside those branches? Or is that another feature that mandumah needs to keep to itself?
21:39 jcamins_away ExtraordinaryBen: try disabling that.
21:39 a2dissite default
21:40 ExtraordinaryBen yup that did the trick. :D
21:40 jcamins_away Waylon: uhhh... no idea.
21:40 ExtraordinaryBen: okay, *now* you do the koha-rebuild-zebra command.
21:40 And disable the cron jobs you set up.
21:41 ExtraordinaryBen Already removed the crontab for user koha, and deleted the /etc/cron.d/koha file
21:41 rebuild done
21:41 jcamins_away Okay, you're done now. :)
21:44 ExtraordinaryBen Phew, about time zebra starting working on its own. (I hope!) Do you have PayPal jcamins? I would like to send a couple dollars your way as a thank you. (snack or soda or whatever)
21:45 jcamins_away Glad I could help. :)
21:47 ExtraordinaryBen I'll be sure to refer to the "Debian" guide from now on. ;) (Learned something about apache site instances today too!) Again thanks all who helped me. ;)
21:49 Waylon jcamins_away, the concept is, for mandumah at least, we have so far, five seperate 'libraries', that users can search, depending on what they've paid for(mandumah.com is a subscription only digital library archive, 296k articles in pdf format, of 2019 journals/conference papers) so, instead of a user having one branch, they are given multiple branches, and are only able to search within those branches (even when no branch is selected
21:49 in searches, the branch limits are enforced. good amount of coding i did for that.) Would this have any merit being released, as a syspref option (multiple branches/exclusive searches to those branches, so maybe two sysprefs)
21:49 ?
21:49 ExtraordinaryBen Now I just need to work on the opacmainuserblock. :P Catch ya'll later! ;)
21:50 jcamins_away Waylon: I'd say you should definitely submit it, and see what other people think.
21:50 * jcamins_away is having trouble visualizing exactly how it would work.
21:50 Waylon its been working fine.
21:50 on koha 3.0
21:51 it basically does alot of branch: limiting.
21:51 it relies on items for each branch, being used.
21:52 since its pdf based, we don't have any physical items. but we create them in order to introduce the branch limits.
21:52 * Waylon thought of that one.
21:58 Waylon jcamins_away, okay, a for instance, say that there was two libraries, massey palmerston north, massey Auckland, and they had no automatic interloan system. So, normally, the libraries only want people to be able to search over one library, the one they are with. Except some people are able to search over both of them, such as staff. Provided they have both branches set  in their account, their default "unlimited" search will search b
21:58 oth libraries.
21:58 you follow now?
22:04 jcamins_away Waylon: got it. That might well be of interest.
22:05 Waylon right. ill write it up in such a way as to be manageable.
22:06 and syspref is the good idea here?
22:07 jcamins_away Waylon: I think maybe what you want to do is use independantbranches (yes, spelled incorrectly).
22:07 Waylon as in, you don't want every install to support multiple branches, and don't want every install, limiting searches to the branches selected.
22:07 jcamins_away Then you just have to worry about making it so patrons can be multi-homed.
22:08 Oh, yes, definitely a syspref for the first one.
22:08 Waylon yeah.. thinking a BorrowerAttribute?
22:08 jcamins_away That would make sense to me.
22:08 Waylon multiple 'branchcode' attributes on one user account.
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22:49 Waylon owen?
22:49 wahanui owen is a mystery, wrapped in an enigma, covered in awesome brilliance.
22:50 Waylon wahanui, owen is also a crazed branch-creating maniac
22:50 wahanui okay, Waylon.
22:50 Waylon owen?
22:50 wahanui owen is a mystery, wrapped in an enigma, covered in awesome brilliance. or a crazed branch-creating maniac
22:51 mtompset Greetings, #koha, Waylon.
22:51 Waylon hey mtompset
22:51 wahanui mtompset is working on the ultimate koha uninstall script for fun. Bug 459. Old school, baby!
22:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=459 enhancement, P4, ---, mtompset, In Discussion , No uninstall script
22:51 Waylon wow..
22:51 chain reactions..
22:53 mtompset I forgot about the chain reaction.
22:53 Waylon useful though.
22:53 It nags you.
22:54 how you going with the bug anyway?
22:54 mtompset progress, but got some feedback which means I'll need to change the approach a little.
22:59 Waylon how do i create a new syspref?
22:59 mtompset i think someone wiki paged that recently.
23:00 eythian it's been in the wiki forever.
23:00 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ystem_Preferences
23:00 Greetings, eythian. How goes the packaging?
23:00 eythian that's the page I was looking for
23:00 I'm still getting set up at my new location, but it's going to be a today job.
23:01 mtompset What timezone are you in?
23:01 eythian NZST
23:02 jcamins_away eythian: welcome home
23:02 eythian cheers :)
23:02 mtompset home is a strange word, jcamins_away.
23:03 Having stayed in multiple countries and places, I think I like the "home is where the heart is" definition best.
23:04 jcamins_away mtompset: also, the word for home often has an extra case.
23:05 (locative or the like)
23:05 * Waylon has never been outside NZ. "Haven't been outside palmy in 10 years."
23:05 mtompset Waylon: some travel is good. Too much, and you'll start feeling nomadic. ;)
23:05 Waylon now living by myself, so now looking forward to any koha events coming up in wellington.
23:06 ah.... well.. one first of all has to be able to afford 'too much' travel.
23:06 eythian Waylon: there's been a number of smaller koha events here.
23:07 Waylon oooo? whats happening?
23:07 eythian just user group meetings and the like
23:07 Waylon ah? these are regular events?
23:08 eythian not yet. There's been a general one, and I think a special libraries one.
23:08 Waylon: right now the rest of the koha team is in palmy
23:08 Waylon Wha?!
23:08 here?!?
23:08 wahanui here is where I work
23:08 Waylon where?
23:09 eythian http://www.lianza.org.nz/news-[…]ence-2012-welcome
23:09 Awapuni Function Centre
23:09 they're manning a booth I think, you should go say hi.
23:09 Waylon Holy...
23:09 eythian rangi (Chris), kathryn (Kathryn), and anitsirk (Kristina)
23:10 Waylon question is, whats the best time to catch them?
23:11 eythian I guess there'll be someone around the whole time, but I don't really know.
23:11 Waylon i mean, conferences usually have talks etc.... and lunch breaks and .. yeah.
23:11 eythian I'm surprised rangi isn't online right now to slake his IRC addiction :)
23:12 I think there'll be someone there the whole time, but they'll probably try to catch the interesting talks.
23:12 Waylon: if you PM me a cell number, I can send it to Chris to get in touch with you if you like.
23:12 Waylon haha. don't have a cellphone #
23:13 don't have a phone number until the 26th, when xnet installs my naked adsl.
23:13 eythian ah right
23:13 in that case, you could email him. He'll probably check it some time.
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23:16 mtompset Greetings, tcohen.
23:19 Waylon hehe... Catalyst IT, Booth 00.
23:19 Licensed to thrill?
23:19 eythian heh
23:21 Waylon 12.30pm
23:21 Lunch among the Exhibitors -- means that the exhibitors will be absent, or that everyone will be there?
23:23 eythian I have no idea.
23:23 I haven't seen these people for 3.5 months, I'm not the best person to ask :)
23:23 I suspect that it means that everyone will be there though
23:24 * Waylon has never actually met a koha developer, personally.
23:24 eythian I've met a bunch.
23:24 Waylon haven't i bugged them enough already, on IRC?
23:24 hmm.
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23:24 eythian but, I've been to three kohacons.
23:25 Waylon got money, will travel eh?
23:25 eythian got a company willing to sponsor it, anyway :)
23:26 although the first one I went to was in wellington, so a short trip.
23:26 Waylon haha. yup. What do you/your company get out of it?
23:28 eythian marketing, developer networking, things like that.
23:28 Waylon hmm... would that be as vaulable to a all digital library such as mandumah?
23:29 eythian I have no idea
23:29 although talking to people about things in person is often beneficial
23:29 Waylon we basically only use a subset of what koha is capable of... but that subset, koha does amazingly.
23:30 suppose i could go... hmm... got an hour to get there..
23:30 ibeardslee I'd suggest that if you are using it as an all digital library, getting to a kohacon to talk to people and tell them about your experiences would be a very good thing.
23:30 eythian that's true
23:30 Waylon in hottest part of the day, walking.
23:30 eythian that is often an area that people have questions about
23:30 Waylon: get a bike
23:31 Waylon haha. yeah. something im definately getting once this porting project is done.
23:32 my maximum allowed injection of funds without benefit deduction (I still can't work 40 hour weeks, i find it really difficult to concerntrate sometimes .. that and i have Aspergers syndrome) in one go. ($5k nzd)
23:33 eythian ah right
23:33 get a cheap bike! ;)
23:35 Waylon yeah. im broke atm.
23:35 eythian steal a bike! ;)
23:36 Waylon suppose i could take a bus, but only got 55 mins now... and im hoping that chris isn't going to one of those 1pm meetings.
23:37 google earth on android :)
23:41 ... is too slow
23:42 eythian maps is a lot better for that sort of thing
23:43 earth is very slow because it's pulling lots of images
23:43 also hard on your data
23:43 (well, depends what "that sort of thing" is really)
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23:49 Waylon yah. just figured that out. got the route worked out in head... racecourse road
23:56 ah well.. im going to be late, but eh, can always go again tomorrow.
23:56 Waylon_AFK back soon.
23:57 eythian Waylon_AFK: they'll be around the whole day I'd think

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