IRC log for #koha, 2012-07-30

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01:39 dcook allo #koha
01:40 rangi hey dcook
01:41 dcook Have a good weekend?
01:42 rangi yeah not bad at all
01:45 dcook I've been looking a bit more at the "blib" directory in my local git, and I'm wondering a bit about its purpose and the status of the files it contains. I figured it was used so that I could Koha as a dev install
01:45 But the files look like they're quite up to date, while my current branch is 3.8.0 O_o
01:46 rangi its used by any install
01:46 (except packages of course)
01:46 when you run make
01:46 it makes all the files and puts them in blib
01:46 then make install copies them
01:46 dcook Hmm
01:47 rangi don't commit the blib dir :)
01:47 dcook Fair enough :p
01:48 Why would the files currently in there be 3.9 though?
01:49 jcamins dcook: because you didn't rerun make.
01:49 dcook That's my thought too, but I ran make the first time when 3.8.0 first came out
01:49 Does updatedatabase re-run make? :S
01:50 jcamins No.
01:53 dcook So how does a dev install use blib...? The files in there are much more recent than the ones I have checked out and which run when I go to the dev site
01:53 jcamins It doesn't.
01:56 dcook Perfect. Thanks for the info.
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03:47 mtj rangi:  about?
03:48 is there are json output of -> http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]bin/bug_counts.pl ?
03:48 i think i remember you showed me one, some time ago....?
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03:51 tcohen hi #koha
03:52 1am here
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04:14 cait good morning #koha
04:15 mtj morning cait
04:15 cait morning mtj :)
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04:23 mtompset Greetings, #koha
04:24 cait hi mtompset
04:24 mtompset Greetings, cait
04:24 I'm finally going to get back to looking at koha bugs today.
04:24 cait hm I should do taht too
04:25 mtompset I think I dealt with my backup scripts task well enough so far. :)
04:26 I'll finally get to deal with that email message that I left unread in my koha lists folder.
04:26 related to bug 7368
04:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7368 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , General staff client typo omnibus
04:27 cait oh
04:28 mtj rangi:  np, i got it sorted... :)
04:29 mtompset can't hurt to triple check. But that's good to know.
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04:41 * mtompset frowns, "I don't understand git."
04:41 mtompset I don't want to clone master, I want to clone 3.6.x
04:45 mtj mtompset:  clone master, then make a new branch 3.6.x
04:45 change to branch 3.6.x, then 'git reset --hard v3.6.6'
04:45 wahanui mtj: that doesn't look right
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04:46 mtj i do this often, myself...
04:48 mtompset Because I'd like to have 3 clones: master, 3.8.x, and 3.6.x, so I don't have to figure out more git commands when working on things that need fixing in all three, but don't necessarily need the same fixes.
04:48 mtj sure, thats exactly what i have too :)
04:48 cait you can checkout the tag too
04:48 git branch -b yourname v03.06.03 or something
04:49 if you need a specific version
04:49 mtompset Yes, but when you lose track of branches, it becomes a pain.
04:49 If you have three repos for the three versions, there's no confusion.
04:50 mtj well, i guess.... ? i never lose track of well-named branches
04:51 of course , if you need a koha 3.8 and a koha3.6 to *compare* , you need 2 repos...
04:51 (you cant have a repo set to 2 different commits at the same time)
04:52 so, you would need 2 repos -  for that debugging situation
04:52 mtompset And that solves my forgetfulness problem too. :)
04:55 mtj 'compare' here, means compare the run-time behavior of 2 systems
04:55 not compare, as in git-diff
04:56 * cait nods
04:56 mtj ... if you want to compare (giff-diff) 2 branches, you want to use *1* repo, not 2 repos
05:01 mtompset Yes, but if you make a fix, you should at least try to run it.
05:01 So multi-repos makes more sense.
05:12 can you rename the directory the git repo is in without breaking git?
05:13 cait yes
05:13 I think so
05:16 mtj yes, absolutely
05:17 mtompset:  there's nothing stopping you from 'running'  a fix, using a single repo?
05:18 testing a fix on many Koha branches, is easier on a single repo
05:19 mtompset depends on the state of the surrounding code between versions.
05:20 Sometimes things get added between versions which makes a patch not applicable across branches.
05:21 mtj sure, but you are still going to have exactly the same problem applying your problematic patch using many repos
05:21 ... so whats your point?
05:22 mtompset do a diff between repo directories, and make the changes myself.
05:23 mtj hmm, thats precisely what an scm is designed for
05:24 mtompset don't trust them. :P
05:24 mtj ok, good luck, then....
05:24 cait mtompset: why notmake a patch file?
05:25 mtompset the scenario is a problematic patch across versions.
05:25 cait I think that would perhaps work a bit better than manually moving patches around. or you could have a central repo you push your changes to
05:26 mtompset that I want to test too.
05:26 No sense submitting a busted patch. :)
05:28 Okay, so mtj, how would you do a patch on 3.6.X that doesn't apply properly to 3.8.X, but the bug still exists in 3.8.X?
05:30 mtj thats a nice tricky situation :)
05:30 id apply the patch to my 3.8 koha
05:30 test that the patch works
05:31 if it does, apply the patch to my 3.6 koha
05:31 (and after i apply the patch - fix the conflicts, of course)
05:32 and , if the patch was written against master, then  apply/test it to master 1st
05:32 mtompset next question in my git education... how to apply a patch?
05:33 mtj mtompset:  does that logic make sense to you?
05:34 mtompset I'll re-iterate what you said in my words, and hopefully they are the same.
05:34 Make the patch in the version you found the error in.
05:35 Take the patch and attempt to apply it to another version.
05:35 If it applies, great... test it... everyone should be happy.
05:35 If it doesn't apply nicely, make the necessary tweaks... test it... generate version'd patch.
05:36 mtj depends.. do you want to submit  the bug to kc.org - or go for a quick-fix?
05:36 mtompset Why would I be only think of myself in the short term?
05:36 That's not long term efficient for me.
05:37 Always attempt to bug report it and provide a patch to k-c.org
05:37 mtj why? , its quicker, less short-term effort, and its an emergency
05:38 mtompset The bugs I fix aren't emergencies.
05:39 mtj depends, if its a critical production bug - always fix the bug 1st, submit  a fix to kc.org later...
05:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]show_bug.cgi?id=1 major, P2, ---, chris, CLOSED FIXED, Missing uploadedmarc table definition
05:40 * mtompset laughs.
05:41 mtompset Yes, I do too, but the time difference between the two is very small.
05:42 But since 3.6.7 came out, I doubt we'll have anything of significance once we upgrade.
05:43 So, since I think I got the general gist of that... back to my next question: how to apply a git patch?
05:43 mtj $  git am -s  ./0001-Bug-6466-hung-socket-read-causes-SIP-tests-to-fail.patch
05:44 you can google all that stuff...
05:44 mtompset Okay.
05:57 cait mtj: if it's a critical bug - we need the patch even more :)
05:57 * mtompset is reading up on git merge.
05:57 cait mtompset: I never merge :P
05:58 mtompset It's an easy way to copy files between branches.
05:58 if you've only added files.
06:04 mtj git cherry-pick , is a nice way to do that too (what i use)
06:04 cait yes, I use that too
06:04 mtj cherry-pick a commit(s) from another branch
06:04 cait but was not sure it's the right advice :)
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06:06 cait morning
06:20 mtompset Greetings, mbalmer
06:21 dcook_away git cherry-pick can also be used with tags, if you find that to be a handy way of identifying a commit
06:21 After a great introduction to git from rangi and jcamins, I found the best way to learn about git was to experiment and test out different scenarios. As a result, I'm certainly a convert to developing in git.
06:22 cait :) git++
06:23 dcook_away :D
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06:27 ala_3v0 can anyone help on the installation of koha on debian squeeze
06:27 julian_m joined #koha
06:28 julian_m hello
06:28 wahanui salut, julian_m
06:29 ala_3v0 I've followed an online tutorial but have difficulties at the end when launching browser
06:31 mtj ala_3v0:  always look on the koha wiki, for the latest install information
06:32 ala_3v0 mtj - thanks
06:33 mtj or in your koha directory -> http://git.koha-community.org/[…];f=INSTALL.debian
06:33 http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]gory:Installation
06:34 http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze
06:34 etc...
06:34 ala_3v0 mtj: I have a message on browser that states system maintenance when launching http://localhost:80
06:35 mtj try  http://localhost:8080 first...
06:37 ala_3v0 I've un-installed the debian but thanks anyway
06:39 mtj ala_3v0:  you should have asked your question here *before* un-installing the debian ;)
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06:41 mbalmer morning, kohaistas!
06:44 ala_3v0 Hi, mbalmer.
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06:47 ala_3v0 If I backup or dump a koha sql from a debian and restore it on ubuntu, can the koha system be fully functional?
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06:50 mtj ala_3v0:  if you are lucky, yes
06:51 mtompset I don't see why not.
06:51 from a mysqldump that is.
06:52 ala_3v0 yes from mysqldump
06:52 mtj depends.... different mysql versions between systems - could be a problem...
06:53 mtompset a mysqldump should be generic enough to transfer.
06:53 especially if ala_3v0 only dumped the koha database (whatever it is called)
06:56 ala_3v0 Is there any koha live cd on debian squeeze around as I can only find koha live cd on ubuntu
06:58 mtj mtompset:  they 'should be' yes, but my experience has been otherwise
07:01 ala_3v0 when books have been inputed into koha on the cataloging section, how long does it take to be able to be searched and found in OPAC?
07:02 mtompset really, mtj?
07:02 what koha live cd for ubuntu?
07:03 That version of koha may be out of date.
07:03 ala_3v0 There is a Koha 3.8 live on ubuntu
07:03 mtompset Really? Cool.
07:04 I did not know this.
07:04 url, please.
07:04 ala_3v0 check linux halwa
07:05 mtj ala_3v0:  no koha live-cds are officially supported, yet
07:06 live-cds many work, or not.... use them at your own risk
07:06 ala_3v0 I have downloaded a copy, not sure where from
07:06 mtompset That much is true: not officially supported.
07:07 dcook_away 'night #koha
07:08 mtj ... and people here on #koha-irc wont be able to help you much, if you have problems with your live-cd
07:08 * mtompset nods.
07:08 mtompset which install to use?
07:08 wahanui If you're developing, you should use git. If you're not developing on a deb-based system, you should use packages. If you're not developing on a different flavour of Linux, you should use the tarball.
07:09 ala_3v0 what is koha-common then?
07:09 mtompset that is packages.
07:09 packages?
07:09 wahanui rumour has it packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
07:10 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze
07:10 That was the URL I was thinking about.
07:10 I have not tried it, but these instructions should work under Ubuntu as well.
07:11 http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
07:11 These instructions will guide you to do a tarball install.
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07:19 ala_3v0 thanks all... night... #koha-irc
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07:19 kf morning #koha, morning paul_p
07:19 paul_p good morning #koha & kf
07:20 last week before holidays for me ;-)
07:20 kf :)
07:20 lots to do I bet
07:20 how many weeks will you be gone?
07:21 paul_p kf = fortunately, most if not all our customers are on vacation already, so lot of things to do, but not the usual one
07:21 3 weeks
07:21 kf ah ok
07:21 and not pushing at all during this time?
07:25 mtompset Someone is counting down. :)
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07:35 bartsimpson @rangi hello, it's Bart, I'm just about to start trying some unit testing so i'll message you if i need help :)
07:35 huginn bartsimpson: downloading the Perl source
07:37 rangi yay! thats cool bartsimpson
07:37 kf hi bartsimpson :) you don't need an @ - just say rangi:
07:37 rangi i meant to say, if you can remember how to do a commit and then format-patch you can attach the tests you did on thursday
07:37 to bug 5327
07:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 major, P3, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
07:38 rangi git add t/ItemType.t
07:38 git commit
07:38 Then
07:38 git format-patch origin/master
07:40 bartsimpson oh thanks kf :) and allright i'll maybe put a add a few lines of test first then try to commit it
07:40 rangi excellent :)
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08:01 bartsimpson rangi: Hello, whats the code to run a unit test? eg I'm currently trying to run Itemtype.t
08:01 rangi perl t/ItemType.t
08:02 or prove t/ItemType.t
08:03 bartsimpson hmmm
08:03 one sec
08:04 oh I was already in the t layer :) so the t/ at the start was wrong, thanks
08:04 rangi ahh yep
08:07 mtompset kohails?
08:08 kf yes
08:08 our official tag
08:08 for twittter - ils is integrated library system
08:09 mtompset oh right... my brain didn't parse koha ils... I was thinking ko hails.
08:12 mbalmer let's see...
08:14 bartsimpson rangi: I've gone through the steps to submit you wrote previously ^ but am wondering what I need to do now
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08:15 tweetbot` ..
08:15 ..#arcapos"
08:15 mbalmer funny, that works, indeed ;)
08:16 didn't know we track tweets in this channel
08:16 rangi bartsimpson: ahh now you need to go to http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327
08:16 huginn 04Bug 5327: major, P3, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
08:17 rangi and click add attachment and upload the file
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08:18 rangi mbalmer: http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]2-07-11#i_1019931
08:19 short memory :)
08:19 mbalmer hehe, I obviously changed my mind.
08:19 and short memory, too
08:19 but if you think of it, it is indeed a bit dubious to post in a public channel what has been posted in a different public channel
08:24 bartsimpson rangi: so do i just upload the Itemtype.t file itself from the /t directory?
08:25 kf mbalmer: I don't think so, once it's public, it's public
08:25 rangi bartsimpson: ahh nope, you have to do the git commit stuff, and git format-patch from earlier
08:27 bartsimpson rangi: right, yeah i did do that git commiting, but I'm not sure where to find that file to upload? sorry if that seems silly :)
08:27 rangi ahh
08:27 when you do the git format-patch
08:27 its should make one on the dir you are in it will be 0001-somethingsomething.patch
08:28 bartsimpson oh right that
08:28 wahanui right that is, like, what I was thinking :D
08:29 mtompset That's why I like to personally add '-o ~' on the end, so I know the patch file is always in my home directory.
08:35 bartsimpson rangi: cool i'm fairly certain that worked ;) :) I'm going to try start some work on the Matcher.t file you suggested on thursday
08:38 rangi excellent :)
08:38 yep that patch looks good :)
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08:49 bartsimpson rangi: Hey, Im unsure of where to get a data table for the Matcher.t file... Any suggestions?
08:49 rangi lemme look
08:50 http://schema.koha-community.o[…]arc_matchers.html  <-- does that help ?
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09:00 bartsimpson ummm
09:01 m23 Hello, can i report problem with http://translate.koha-community.org here?
09:02 kf m23: yes you can, but a bit better is the translate mailing list :)
09:03 m23 ok, thanks
09:04 bartsimpson rangi: nah I'm still confused about that, semi-relatedly im getting this error "unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at C4/Context.pm line 360" when i perl the matcher thing
09:05 * mtj thought mbalmer was blocking his stupid tweetbot...
09:06 rangi bartsimpson: you can do this
09:06 kf !tweetbot botsnack cookie?
09:06 rangi export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/​yoursitename/koha-conf.xml
09:06 kf tweetbot botsnack cookies
09:06 mtj: your bot has a bug :(
09:08 mtj whats the bug?
09:09 kf it refuses my cookies
09:11 mtj kf, aaah - that feature is the 'enterprise' edition of tweetbot
09:13 kf oh
09:13 *sniff*
09:14 pastebot "rangi" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "some mock data" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/66
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09:18 mveron hi #koha
09:27 rangi bartsimpson: gonna crash out soon, but drop me an email if you are still stuck and ill try to help out
09:31 bartsimpson rangi: yea i've gtg to, ill talk to you later :)
09:31 rangi: thanks for all the help
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10:21 Joubu Hi #koha
10:23 Someone could say me how can I call a subscription closed ? terminated ? ended ? I want to add a new boolean field subscription.closed. But I don't know if it is the most adapted term
10:36 kf hm
10:36 Joubu: perhaps try in half an hour or so?
10:36 I think America is not awake yet maybe
10:38 Joubu kf: ok thanks :)
10:38 kf and I Like the idea :)
10:38 perhaps we could have even more status? we migrated a library and they had differentiated between
10:39 hm. serial has a new name, serial subscription ended (serial died), subscription was ended by the library
10:39 (saving money)
10:39 something like that
10:42 * magnuse waves
10:45 kf hi magnuse :)
10:49 magnuse hiya kf
10:53 mtompset Greetings, kf magnuse Joubu
10:54 * kf sends cookies
10:59 mtompset Thanks.
11:01 On a positive note, I cloned master three times. Now to set one to 3.6.x and the other to 3.8.x
11:02 scrolling back to see what mtj said.
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11:23 mtompset Greetings, jwagner
11:25 jwagner hi mtompset
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11:34 * mveron is back from lunch
11:34 mveron Hi everybody
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11:54 mtompset Greetings, mveron
11:54 Greetings asaurat laurence
11:54 mveron Hi mtompset
11:55 asaurat hi!
11:56 mveron hi asaurat
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12:13 * mtompset is happy to have 3 different git clones: 3.6.x, 3.8.x, and master. YAY!
12:15 mtompset jcamins_away: Are you still away? I have updated check_deps.sh
12:16 I was going to check my changes against my three new git directories. :)
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12:24 mtompset Greetings, tcohen
12:24 tcohen hi mtompset
12:24 i was thinking of talking to you
12:25 * mtompset runs away. :)
12:25 tcohen but I'll let my new bug will talk for itself
12:25 mtompset Which bug?
12:25 tcohen I need to finish our -> 3.8 upgrade right now
12:25 but will beback soon!
12:26 mtompset I'm about to run the script I wrote for 3.8.x :)
12:26 tcohen :-D
12:26 mtompset I finally have a 3.6.x, 3.8.x, and a master git
12:27 I can run the script without having to do git commands in between. :)
12:28 McCloud Anyone know why apt-get upgrade would "keep koha-common back" when ran?
12:29 mtompset Oh, and I did get a -b -r version of koha_perl_deps.pl done too...
12:29 Just some of the things I hope to get up to bugzilla in the next couple days.
12:30 drojf McCloud: not sure why that is but apt-get dist-upgrade will probably work
12:31 tcohen mtompset++
12:35 McCloud Yep, that worked!
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12:43 kf hi drojf
12:43 drojf hi kf
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12:48 mveron hi drojf
12:48 drojf hi mveron
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12:54 mtompset It would seem that I found one library that wasn't in the ubuntu.packages for 3.6.x -- libgd-gd2-perl
12:55 kf hm
12:55 wonder for what that is used
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12:59 mtompset C4::Images, tools/picture-upload.pl, tools/upload-cover-image.pl
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13:01 mtompset And ubuntu 12.04 does not have Template::Plugin::HtmlToText
13:01 So, using the debian.k-c.org repo is necessary.
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13:02 mtompset And there are thirteen libraries not listed in the ubuntu.packages for 3.8.x
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13:04 nengard Good morning #koha
13:04 I'm training a new Koha library in PA
13:04 say Hello!
13:04 oleonard Hi PA!
13:04 mtompset Greetings, folks in PA! :)
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13:06 nengard Quiet in here
13:06 * mtj waves to peepz in PA
13:06 nengard talk to you all later!! :)
13:06 mtj heya nicole :
13:07 kf Hello :)
13:08 mtompset Oh my! lots more missing in master.
13:13 * McCloud[A] is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes
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13:15 mveron drojf ++
13:15 drojf :)
13:15 kf drojf++ :)
13:16 mtompset What's the +'s for?
13:16 oleonard @karma drojf
13:16 huginn oleonard: Karma for "drojf" has been increased 19 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 18.
13:17 mveron mtompset: Bug 8518
13:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8518 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, Needs Signoff , Self checkout does not display debt amount if syspref AllowFineOverride is set to allow
13:18 kf mtompset: increasing karma - in this case for signing off a patch :)
13:18 and for a cool new domain name ;)
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13:20 mtompset marcelr++
13:20 drojf thanks to mveron's bug i now know the koha self checkout ;)
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13:20 kf yep
13:21 testing is a great way to learn more about Koha's features
13:21 *hint hint*
13:21 mveron ^^^^^^
13:21 drojf heh mveron got my point for the dashboard because he changed it to signed off :P
13:22 mveron Sorry, drojf, I did not mean it!
13:22 drojf yeah right!
13:22 :D
13:22 mveron You can get my next one, I will give you a hint...
13:22 drojf lol
13:23 hmm if the count goes by that i guess you can change the status of a bug a few times to get more points
13:24 and cheat your way to the top ;)
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13:29 drojf is that number of 115 needed signoffs hardcoded? sometimes it feels that way.
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13:33 jcamins drojf: hehe. No, but that does seem to be the patch equilibrium.
13:35 Joubu Could someone (a native english speaker by preference ) tell me how I should name a new boolean field in subscription for a closed/terminated/ended subscription ? Currently I choose "closed", but I don't know if it is the most adapted term.
13:37 jcamins Joubu: I'd probably use "closed" here, too.
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13:38 Joubu jcamins: ok, thank you for the confirmation :)
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13:48 tcohen bug 8519
13:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8519 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Make koha-index-daemon run on startup
13:48 Shane-s questions 952$o has no descriptions if it is arbitrary (user can fill it in) or system generated. I am using MarcEdit and I have  an 852$h from follet that is a call number is 952$o the right field to use?
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13:52 talljoy Shane-s: yes it is
13:52 952$o is the call number for the item record.
13:58 mtompset jcamins... I'll email you the latest version of check_deps.sh shortly.
13:58 jcamins Take your time. I probably won't be doing anything with it today.
13:58 mtompset Now you can have you --noupdate.
13:59 ^you^your^ (second one)
13:59 and --full
13:59 shortly in this case means later this week. :)
14:00 I want to try to get some patches up before going to bed close to on time.
14:00 But I just discovered some more tweaks I need to make to the documentation. ARG!
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14:30 Shane-s okay before I go importing 7655 records, lets say I find I missed a few fields is there a quick and easy way to drop the records in Koha or the MySQL DB?
14:30 * wizzyrea waves sleepily
14:30 wizzyrea at 9:30 oy.
14:33 gmcharlt Shane-s: bibliographic and item records?  if so, one option is to pass the -d switch to bulkmarcimport.pl, which will make it delete all bibs and items prior to performing the record load
14:34 Shane-s gmcharlt: yes, but say after it has imported the records and we are testing the data imports and I find I missed or improperly located a record, so the system has bad data
14:35 jcamins Shane-s: you can always do a 'DELETE FROM biblio' but there is no situation I can think of in which that would be anything other than a bad idea.
14:35 gmcharlt right; when it comes time to reload the records, -d would clear out the previous bib/item record set
14:37 Shane-s thanks, I am trying to get this as perfect as I can, but it was just me testing my non-production system. This will all be going into the production system, and I had missed call number, and I need to modify the barcode field as follet pre-prends a T to many barcodes. I didn't find other issues, but who knows come school opening when my Librarian is in
14:39 jcamins Shane-s: a useful saying in this situation: "the perfect is the enemy of the good."
14:50 mtompset I so hate "triggers for mandb". It's so slow!
14:52 Shane-s anyone good with regex that marcedit might use, I want to get subfield $p and if it begins with a "T" remove that. I am thinking ^T*, but I don't know how to make it spit back out just the rest less the T
14:52 maybe just a find and replace on $pT would be better
14:52 jcamins s/^T\(.*)$/\1/
14:56 Shane-s: that was a response to you, not the cat.
14:56 ;)
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15:02 * wizzyrea giggles at jcamins, waves hi to myshkin
15:02 mgeist Hrm, that does look like something a cat would type.
15:05 jcamins mgeist: I have a remarkably smart cat.
15:05 wizzyrea ^^ myshkin is a cat genius.
15:06 jcamins And he's been particularly rambunctious of late. Not only has he been bored for the last two weeks, Shari's away this weekend, and he is not amused.
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15:06 mgeist laser point imo!
15:06 drojf cats can be bored?
15:06 jcamins drojf: so it would seem.
15:09 mgeist: I probably should get one of those and use it to tire out Myshkin.
15:10 Shane-s jcamins: Thanks...struggling with it in MarcEdit
15:10 mgeist jcamins just be sure not to point it at airplanes
15:10 Shane-s on windows
15:10 jcamins Shane-s: I use neither, so I can't really advise.
15:11 mtompset jcamins: Just to point out the apt-file index isn't there for the k-c.org repos yet. ;)
15:12 jcamins mtompset: I have no control over those repos.
15:12 I left a message for eythian.
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15:12 mtompset I was just trying to wean my machines dependency on your repo to k-c.orgs :)
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15:13 mtompset apt-file indexes would have been nice. :)
15:13 jcamins Oh, yes, that would be good, because I took my apt repo down temporarily.
15:14 mtompset Not to mention your apt isn't in the ubuntu installation instructions. :P
15:14 jcamins That too.
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15:17 mtompset How do I tell what I have installed, and where it is from?
15:18 jcamins apt-cache policy
15:19 I don't know exactly how to use it, but it has something to do with apt-cache policy.
15:19 mtompset okay thanks for the pointer at least.
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15:21 oleonard The "[off]
15:21 ..always makes it seem like tweetbot` is gossiping
15:23 jcamins Heh.
15:25 Shane-s question in MarcEdit some field begin with \\ others don't anyone know if that matters for MARC?
15:25 jcamins Yes.
15:25 Those are indicators.
15:25 Shane-s so the \\ is needed?
15:25 jcamins Yes.
15:25 They are indicators.
15:26 Shane-s okay...how to append that...as marc edit just swap $h from 852 to 952 $o, but it put it in like =952 $o001.9ASI
15:27 jcamins I have no idea, sorry.
15:27 As I said, I use neither MarcEdit nor Windows.
15:27 Shane-s has an indicator box, I guess I add \\ ill find out :P
15:29 that worked
15:30 can I have mutliple line of =952 \\ with different subfields per line?
15:30 jcamins If you want multiple items.
15:30 One 952 line per item.
15:30 mtompset If my librarian colleague was awake and online, I'd get him to help you, Shane-s.
15:31 jcamins I can't tell if that is what you are looking for.
15:31 mtompset I wrote scripts to modify it myself. :)
15:31 jcamins: apt-cache dump | grep "File:" | sed -e 's#\t##g;s#[[:space:]]##g' | sort -u
15:32 at least that let's me know what I'm dependent on.
15:32 I think I removed dependency on you. :)
15:32 Shane-s hmm wonder if it has an ability to merge it all to one line
15:32 jcamins I suspect there was probably an easier way, but that works. :)
15:32 Shane-s doh nm there is an "add to esiting field" option
15:37 wizzyrea quick, say something defamatory!
15:38 oleonard Blargle blargle blargle!
15:38 mtompset Debian is terrible?
15:38 jcamins 's mother was a hamster!
15:39 mtompset Out of curiousity, why?
15:39 oleonard No logbot, no logs
15:39 mtompset BTW, jcamins wins hands down, I think for the defamatory.
15:39 AH!
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15:41 * oleonard whistles innocently
15:41 mtompset Greetings, eythian. I'll try not to mention how much I'd like index files so apt-file can work for debian.koha-community.org ;)
15:41 eythian mtompset: I have no idea how that would even work, to be honest :)
15:42 mtompset I think we are supposed to ask about the hamsters. ;)
15:42 eythian well, rather, I have no idea how I'd do that..
15:42 heh
15:43 jcamins eythian: it's easy.
15:43 eythian: did you get my @later from huginn?
15:43 eythian jcamins: I did
15:43 just looking into it now
15:44 jcamins Didn't it have instructions?
15:44 Or did I say "ask me for instructions"? :)
15:45 eythian No, it has instructions, I'm just curious about what the impact would be: I'm not sure about the options that that file can take, so looking that up.
15:45 jcamins Ah.
15:47 mtompset impact?
15:48 My beautiful baby script can run nicely and list things to include for ubuntu related files, and detect what should be added to the repo too. :)
15:48 eythian jcamins: seems sane, aside from making things a bit slower, but that's not a big deal.
15:49 jcamins eythian: yeah, that was my conclusion.
15:50 mtompset Going to bed... late again. :( At least it isn't past midnight, yet.
15:51 Good night, $koha./
15:51 #kohas
15:51 #koha
15:51 I'll get it right eventually. :)
15:54 Joubu good bye ++
15:56 oleonard Are the patches on Bug 8391 complementary or competitive?
15:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8391 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Cannot view reading record through staff client
15:56 oleonard Oh, khall just signed off
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16:01 eythian jcamins: can't find a way to make the contents regenerate, it might only take effect as new packages get added.
16:02 jcamins eythian: you use reprepro, right?
16:02 eythian yeah
16:02 jcamins reprepro -b /home/jcamins/repos/apt/koha rerunnotifiers
16:03 Morthland Hey, I'm trying to figure out how to configure the authorities browser
16:03 eythian jcamins: that returns immediately
16:04 jcamins Morthland: the browser is UNIMARC-only.
16:05 eythian: really? That took a while on mine, and generated the indexes.
16:05 Morthland I mean to refer to the browser associated with the opacbrowser system preference.
16:05 jcamins Yes.
16:05 That is UNIMARC only.
16:06 Morthland That is not my issue.
16:06 Our library is cataloged LCC
16:06 and it is building a list by LCC
16:07 but by the end of the list, it searches : Dewey-classification: BS2
16:07 for example
16:07 jcamins Morthland: it only supports UNIMARC, which you are not using, and Dewey, which you are also not using.
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16:07 Morthland Oh. Thanks.
16:10 I get this error on the tag cloud: C4::Output version 3.02 required--this is only version 3.08.01.002 at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-tags.pl line 41. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-tags.pl line 41.
16:11 jcamins Morthland: that was fixed in 3.8.3.
16:12 Morthland Allright.
16:12 Thanks!
16:15 eythian jcamins: yep, definitely doesn't work
16:16 can't really look into it right now though, have some time-sensitive stuff to get done
16:16 jcamins eythian: odd. That's how I did it.
16:16 Wait, sorry: reprepro -b /home/jcamins/repos/apt/koha export
16:17 eythian ah, that does it.
16:18 only takes a few seconds, too
16:18 jcamins You may have it running on a faster system than I do.
16:19 eythian possibly :)
16:19 anyway, uploaded
16:19 jcamins eythian++
16:19 mtompset will be happy.
16:19 eythian @later tell mtompset apt-file will possibly work now
16:19 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
16:19 jcamins And it'll help when I build 3.6.8.
16:20 eythian to be honest, so will I, it'll mean I can remove that change to list-deps to handle the non-debian stuff
16:20 jcamins Yay!
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16:25 * tcohen has now 38 koha setups upgraded to 3.8 @ Universidad Nacional de Córdoba
16:26 cait congrats :)
16:26 tcohen wiiiiiiiiii
16:26 :-D
16:26 oleonard Nice work tcohen
16:26 cait and hi all :)
16:26 oleonard We're live on 3.8.3 as of today
16:27 tcohen that's great oleonard
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16:27 oleonard The only glitch we've found so far has been Bug 8522
16:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8522 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Markup errors cause problems with customized CSS
16:28 tcohen I find it a bit resource-consuming than our old 3.0.x setup
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16:32 tcohen oleonard, r u working on that?
16:32 oleonard Patch sent.
16:33 Ha, the CSS example in my patch didn't come through because it was prefexed with #
16:40 wizzyrea oh yea i was going to ask how it was going today oleonard
16:40 and you answered my question :)
16:40 glad it's going ok
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16:43 SJeffery Are there any plans to make the 78x fields a standard display field? I have not found anything in the tracker.
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16:44 mtompset tcohen: you there?
16:44 drojf mtompset: having nightmares?
16:44 sleep kohaing?
16:45 jcamins SJeffery: 780 and 785 are already displayed.
16:45 mtompset Nope... I just wanted to get my patch up for a bug.
16:45 bug 8478
16:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Update Ubuntu related files
16:45 mtompset Submitted a 3.8.X and master patch.
16:46 Since tcohen said he was thinking of tweaking install instructions, so I wanted to make sure he could use the latest version I had.
16:46 jcamins At least in the OPAC.
16:47 SJeffery Hmm, weird, how did I miss that? Must be a Monday.
16:48 jcamins SJeffery: it does seem to be, doesn't it?
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16:53 mtompset Woo hoo! jcamins we have index!
16:54 jcamins mtompset: yep.
16:54 mtompset going to do a test run of check_deps.sh
16:54 the missing file should become empty. :)
16:55 drojf mveron++
16:55 mveron drojf ++
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16:56 * mveron ...needs dinner
16:56 * oleonard ...needs lunch
16:57 * SJeffery ...needs breakfast
16:58 * drojf needs icecream
16:58 drojf mveron: what's in the dishwasher tonight? :)
16:58 * cait needs dinner and icecream
17:00 * mtompset jumps with joy.
17:01 mtompset It works! It works! Woo hoo!
17:01 Unfortunately, that means I need to redo the patch I just submitted. ARG!
17:01 But that's not a now problem.
17:02 * mtompset waves bye.
17:06 Shane-s okay just remembered, but forgot how/where, I changed the Zebra Index delay. Where/how do I do that again? I think it was like 4 hours, I want it to be every hour
17:06 jcamins crontab -e
17:06 Shane-s: why every hour?
17:06 Most places do five minutes or so.
17:07 Shane-s we maybe add 5-10 book and I want there to appear ASAP
17:07 oh yeah 5 works
17:08 i thought it was longer then that by default through, I remember waiting a long time for my imported books to appear before I modified that.
17:08 jcamins 10 minutes by default.
17:08 Shane-s oh really...I'll go eat lunch
17:08 See if they are in there
17:08 I swore it was forever on my 3.6 test system
17:09 I made it ever minute on that thing
17:09 jcamins: thanks, I will check it out after my pop-tart and soda :)
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17:27 * mveron is back from dinner. ..
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17:27 tcohen mtompset: Bug 8519
17:27 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8519 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Make koha-index-daemon run on startup
17:28 tcohen maybe my patch will have to wait, so you dontneed to wait fr it
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17:31 Shane-s okay so my import put them in the reservoir... not sure how I make them active
17:34 jcamins Go to "manage MARC import" and choose "import."
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17:35 Shane-s tree for that?
17:35 jcamins Tools->Manage MARC import.
17:35 Right by "Stage MARC for import," which you used to import the records.
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17:37 Shane-s Manage staged MARC records ? All I see other then the import one
17:37 3.8 if it matters
17:37 jcamins Shane-s: how did you import your records?
17:38 Shane-s with the Stage MARC for Import using the browse button
17:38 jcamins Yes, so you go through the process.
17:38 Then you click "Manage staged MARC records"  on the Tools screen.
17:39 Then you view the batch you staged, and import it.
17:39 documentation?
17:39 wahanui i think documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/
17:39 jcamins ^^ if you look at the chapter on tools, there should be screenshots
17:39 Shane-s I just have a "clean" button I don't remebering that from 3.6
17:39 jcamins Don't click that.
17:39 It's always been there.
17:39 Click on the link to view the batch.
17:40 Shane-s oh I couldn't tell it was a link....lcd issue
17:40 the angle made it black
17:41 got it now thanks!
17:41 jcamins You're welcome.
17:42 drojf jcamins: when i use export database, i get a file with filesize 0. any idea why that may be the case? i can confirm that bug 8437 makes me see the file with plack, but it's 0 both with and without plack
17:42 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8437 major, P2, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Plack and database backup
17:43 jcamins drojf: the patch doesn't work? :P
17:43 drojf heh. since it must have worked for others (the non plack version) i doubt that
17:44 jcamins I meant for 8437.
17:44 There should be a message in the log if there was any sort of problem.
17:47 drojf oh. yes there is. [Mon Jul 30 19:39:05 2012] [error] [client 192.168.1.11] [Mon Jul 30 19:39:05 2012] export.pl: A suspicious attempt was made to download the db at 'backupd.sql.gz' by someone at 192.168.1.11, referer: http://192.168.1.238:8080/cgi-[…]a/tools/export.pl
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17:47 cait oh
17:48 fast wolf
17:48 drojf heh
17:48 cait drojf: that looks like you are a villain
17:48 drojf :(
17:48 jcamins drojf: did you configure backupdir in your koha-conf.xml?
17:49 drojf yes, i would not see a file to download otherwise i guess?
17:49 jcamins True.
17:50 I'll just confirm that the patch works for me.
17:51 drojf i should go back one patch. i think i did not try it without the plack patch, i just assumed that would work and confirmed it did not work with plack
17:54 i have the same just with bug 8268
17:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8268 critical, P2, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Koha should offer way to backup entire db
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17:54 jcamins Hm.
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17:55 drojf hm but the file is not owned by my koha user
17:55 jcamins So as far as you can tell, it's broken on master?
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17:55 jcamins That didn't take long.
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17:59 drojf jcamins: there is only a "signed followup" attached to bug 8268 and everything else is obsoleted. maybe i'm missing something?
17:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8268 critical, P2, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Koha should offer way to backup entire db
18:00 jcamins drojf: the feature is already in master.
18:00 drojf ah. i did not know that
18:01 jcamins Has been for a while.
18:01 And it worked initially.
18:01 drojf hm maybe i broke something myself, at least it is not workin for me atm
18:01 jcamins I'm testing it, and I'm having issues, too.
18:02 tcohen koha-index is broken for multiple-site single koha user setup!
18:02 jcamins tcohen: yes, that's why I wrote my daemon.
18:02 tcohen :'-(
18:03 jcamins tcohen: https://github.com/jcamins/tamilcontribs
18:03 That's an old version, though.
18:03 tcohen i'll hook it so it uses mktemp to create a new dir
18:03 will check your code after that
18:04 drojf annoying music from one floor up, i better go shopping
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18:08 jcamins drojf: found the problem.
18:10 drojf jcamins: what is it?
18:10 wahanui rumour has it it is not
18:10 drojf lol
18:11 jcamins drojf: a misbehaving regular expression.
18:12 I just attached a patch that fixes it to bug 8268.
18:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8268 critical, P2, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Koha should offer way to backup entire db
18:12 drojf bad regexp, no cookie
18:12 jcamins Waiting for signoff. :)
18:13 drojf cool, i'll test it when i'm back
18:18 oleonard What's with this error? http://screencast.com/t/h5V5fi2pce
18:21 cait uh
18:21 it looks similar than the "checkout in the past" one
18:21 similar to?
18:22 oleonard Similar to... I think it's the same. But I didn't submit a date with it
18:22 Just a regular scan
18:26 cait hm
18:27 and there is a valid circ rule?
18:27 perhaps it asks ... for something?
18:27 I have no idea really :)
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18:36 oleonard Interesting... turns out it has an item type for which I specified a loan period in hours
18:37 That can't be the whole problem though or no one could be doing hourly loans
18:40 * cait nods
18:41 oleonard variable "today" evaluating as "2012-07-30T14:38:00" variable "duedate" evaluating as "2012-07-30T10:00:00"
18:43 cait ok, now you lost me :)
18:45 oleonard C4/Circulation.pm compares $today (current date and time) with $duedate and finds that $duedate falls before $today, hence the error
18:45 ...but why is $duedate coming through as ~4hrs ago?
18:46 Loan period for the item type is set to 2 hours
18:46 cait sounds like a new serious bug :(
18:47 jcamins oleonard: is duedate set with javascript?
18:47 oleonard I think this shows we all need to be sure to have at least 1 circ rule for an hourly loan when testing.
18:47 cait that too
18:48 oleonard jcamins: I was just going to try to find out where duedate comes from, because nothing is getting passed to CanBookBeIssued() in this instance
18:50 On the other hand, neither does $duedate appear to be coming through with another item type either
18:51 circulation.pl does not contain a form field for duedate, just duedatespec
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18:59 oleonard rambutan: http://www.screencast.com/t/sHYnUPpU
18:59 drojf jcamins: Applying: Bug 8268: improve error checking / error: patch failed: tools/export.pl:345 7 error: tools/export.pl: patch does not apply
18:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8268 critical, P2, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Koha should offer way to backup entire db
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19:02 Shane-s so in the labels we have barcode, how do I get the number to print, or is that part of the barcode? Basically I want book data, [||| || |||| |], 12367
19:03 would 952p issue the number is the code word for barcode generates the scanner code?
19:04 oleonard Can anyone reproduce the error I'm seeing with an hourly loan?
19:04 I've stepped back through a few random commits over the last two months and get the same error, so it wasn't something recent
19:05 ...assuming it's not an error in my configuration.
19:05 cait i can try, but it might take a while
19:09 wizzyrea oleonard what's the error?
19:09 Shane-s okay I have a ton of errors in my log, 15,910 lines, there is not much detail just cataloging , action ADD then object is basically incremental. 1,1;2,2;3,3 where can I find a more detailed event?
19:10 oleonard wizzyrea: This error when checking out something with an hourly loan rule http://screencast.com/t/h5V5fi2pce
19:10 Koha thinks it's an invalid date because the duedate Koha calculates is actually 4 hours ago rather than 2 hours from now
19:10 wizzyrea server time messed up maybe?
19:10 oleonard Nope
19:10 jcamins Shane-s: that's what's recorded in action logs. There isn't any more detail. It tells you what the record looked like prior to the change, I believe.
19:11 cait oleonard: just a circ rule for 4 hours?
19:11 or 2?
19:11 wahanui 2 is pretty awesome
19:11 wizzyrea mysql server time off?
19:11 oleonard circ rule is for 2 hours
19:11 jcamins 3?
19:11 4?
19:11 wahanui 4 is the attribute in bib1.att for title
19:11 jcamins Hehe.
19:11 oleonard How would I check the mysql server time?
19:12 Shane-s okay, well I went there because adding a book to the label creator errored, I guess I will search again without cataloging
19:12 cait hm i think it would be the same as the server time
19:12 with date?
19:12 wizzyrea wouldn't have to be
19:12 cait oh ok
19:12 wizzyrea I don't think.
19:13 can you do a select now(); from the command line
19:13 jcamins Shane-s: oh, you're looking for error logs?
19:13 wizzyrea from the mysql command line
19:13 I mean
19:13 jcamins Apache saves those.
19:13 wizzyrea or possibly even from the mysql reports
19:13 cait oh good idea
19:13 Shane-s okay, log is emtpy outside of cataloging...so how can I track down why the label "Add Item" search is failing when I find a book, check the box, and click the add item button and I get the yellow error box
19:13 oleonard mysql gives the correct time
19:13 wizzyrea k, sorry just checking the obvious things :)
19:13 cait configuring rules now :)
19:14 jcamins logs?
19:14 wahanui it has been said that logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
19:14 jcamins No.
19:14 Server logs?
19:14 Apache logs?
19:14 wahanui Apache logs are only showing chobbs's import job
19:14 jcamins Error log?
19:14 Shane-s jcamins: not sure if that is where I should look or not
19:14 wizzyrea so the rule is for 2 hours in the future, but the date assigned is 4 hours in the pst
19:14 past*
19:14 jcamins Well, it'll be at /var/log/apache2/koha-error.log, most likely.
19:15 * cait catalogs
19:15 jcamins Or something like that.
19:15 wizzyrea oleonard: can you screencap your rule?
19:16 cait oleonard: it happens for me too
19:16 my rule is: default default 2 hours
19:16 oleonard http://screencast.com/t/YlybbvQxMGpT
19:16 cait in a fresh sample base
19:16 with all english sample data, only added the rule and record and an item
19:16 Shane-s jcamins: hmm...checked the error.log it just has 3 lines from the apache restart on Sunday
19:17 oleonard Actually the due date isn't 4 hours in the past, it's exactly 10AM today.
19:17 every time
19:17 wizzyrea whoa
19:17 Shane-s nothing for today...no koha-error.log, I will run updatedb
19:17 cait whoa?
19:17 wizzyrea exactly 10am sounds like a math problem.
19:17 jcamins Shane-s: what error did you get?
19:17 wizzyrea what about a 3 hour loan?
19:17 jcamins updatedatabase will have nothing to do with it.
19:18 oleonard Math is hard!</barbie_voice>
19:18 cait wizzyrea: I will check
19:18 there are some wanrs in the logs
19:18 [Mon Jul 30 21:16:14 2012] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] [Mon Jul 30 21:16:14 2012] circulation.pl: Reference found where even-sized list expected at /home/katrin/kohaclone/circ/circulation.pl line 97., referer: http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/[…]borrowernumber=19
19:18 [Mon Jul 30 21:16:14 2012] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] [Mon Jul 30 21:16:14 2012] circulation.pl: Use of uninitialized value $findborrower in substitution (s///) at /home/katrin/kohaclone/circ/circulation.pl line 101., referer: http://localhost:8080/cgi-bin/[…]borrowernumber=19
19:18 wizzyrea is there something about multiples of 2 hours?
19:18 Shane-s jcamins: one second I have to go back into the label maker
19:18 jcamins Shane-s: I should point out that I have never used the label tool, and probably never will
19:19 cait wow
19:19 5 works
19:19 Shane-s jcamins: WARNING: An error was encountered and item(s) not added to batch 1.
19:19 wizzyrea see that "reference found where even-sized list expected
19:19 oleonard Not for me cait. duedate: 2012-07-30T10:00:00 with a 5-hour loan period
19:19 cait crazy
19:19 perhaps it's something to do with the time?
19:19 Shane-s I have to re-make all my barcodes, only 1 out of 3 label types we have work
19:19 oleonard Oh wait, no
19:19 cait 5 hours for me is tomorrow already
19:20 07/31/2012 00:00       < looks wrong?
19:20 what should it be?
19:20 Shane-s jcamins: that error isn't clueing me in as to a Koha, DB, Apache, or other issue
19:20 * oleonard can't edit a circ rule
19:20 jcamins Shane-s: are you able to add those same items to the other types of labels?
19:20 wizzyrea well, it would have to be 00:20 for a rightful 5 hours
19:20 rambutan oleonard: used to eat them frequently in Thailand
19:21 oleonard rambutan: That's where I took that photo
19:21 Shane-s jcamins: I can try..one sec.
19:21 rambutan hummm
19:21 jcamins Shane-s: however, if you got that error message, it has to do with the data you are giving to Koha.
19:21 oleonard ...now I can't even save a new circ rule
19:21 jcamins Any error further back would have resulted in a much more dramatic error.
19:22 * oleonard grumbles
19:22 wizzyrea O.O
19:22 Shane-s jcamins: nope, when you do a batch, you have to add item before the label/profile/layout options...so I am stuck
19:22 cait oleonard: hm that works for me :(
19:23 wizzyrea oleonard: got anything in your logs?
19:23 * oleonard has a mixed-up db from bug testing
19:23 jcamins Shane-s: but 1 of the three types of labels work?
19:25 Shane-s jcamins: nope...just tried typing the barcode in, I know it is 0061184 as I looked it, typed it in the box, hit add item, and it errors. So I can not even try a label
19:25 cait oleonard: mine is brand new and I can reproduce
19:25 oleonard: I don't think it's you
19:25 it might have something to do with crossing dates?
19:25 Shane-s I just have the template/layouts/profiles Koha's install put in there, but no way to see if they work, should I make my own?
19:26 oleonard Oh, no, it's not my db after all.
19:26 jcamins Shane-s: if you can't use the defaults, you won't be able to get a custom one working.
19:26 I have no further advice, sorry.
19:26 As I said, I don't use the label tool.
19:26 cait I have it with 1 and 2 hours circ rules now
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19:28 wizzyrea well I can't get it to do anything but the default rule
19:29 oleonard wizzyrea: Are you not able to add a rule?
19:29 wizzyrea I can add a rule
19:29 but it's always picking the All:All default rule, i.e. it's circing for one day
19:29 as per my default rule
19:29 if I do say, All:Reference, and try to circ a reference book
19:29 it still does one day
19:29 let me double check that
19:30 oleonard DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'overduefinescap' in 'field list' at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/admin/smart-rules.pl line 133.
19:31 I guess I missed a db update?
19:31 wizzyrea [Mon Jul 30 04:51:29 2012] [error] [client 192.168.1.137] [Mon Jul 30 04:51:29 2012] smart-rules.pl: Use of uninitialized value in string ne at /home/liz/kohaclone/admin/smart-rules.pl line 388., referer: http://koha-staff.lan.nekls.or[…]rules.pl?branch=*
19:31 Shane-S okay I am f'ed at this point...if I enter 61184 and click add item, no error, but it doesn't add the item. If I type 0061184 it errors, and still doesn't add the item....How else can I get barcodes for all our books?
19:31 wizzyrea what is the actual barcode on the itme?
19:31 item/
19:32 Shane-S in Koha 0061184, on its old label 61184
19:33 wizzyrea it's not a bug, mine does it just fine
19:33 is there a space on the end of the barcode possibly?
19:33 or on the front?
19:33 Shane-S no I am typing it by hand
19:33 wizzyrea no i mean, in your data.
19:33 Shane-S or you mean in the DB?
19:34 nothing ok the Koha Catalog screen with the item type and details, let me try direct in MySQL
19:35 wizzyrea oleonard: mine sets it for 10am too
19:36 finally got my rules ironed out
19:36 but it didn't get mad about the due date in the past
19:36 * oleonard too, db updated
19:36 oleonard wizzyrea: You mean when you specified a due date?
19:36 wizzyrea no, when I checked it out
19:36 I didn't specify, it didn't complain
19:37 cait so we confirm it's a bug?
19:37 wizzyrea it just set the due date in the past
19:37 yes, I think we can definitely call it an evil bug
19:37 oleonard Is that controlled by a syspref?
19:37 * wizzyrea guesses so
19:37 cait hm?
19:37 wizzyrea but not sure which
19:37 cait the hourly?
19:37 or the due date in the past?
19:37 * cait is confused
19:37 cait bit tired too
19:37 oleonard Whether to allow you to set a due date in the past
19:37 cait no
19:38 not a syspref
19:38 it just is
19:38 * wizzyrea switches it to US date format
19:38 wizzyrea maybe that's why
19:38 oleonard From what wizzyrea?
19:38 cait but is used to work... and we didn't set one in the past... so this is all very weird
19:38 wizzyrea from dd/mm/yyyy
19:39 to mm/dd/yyyy
19:39 cait hm
19:39 happens for every frmat for me
19:39 wizzyrea well mine is mad about fines too just a sec
19:40 which is probably another bug -
19:40 i'm over the limit and it doesn't prompt for a proper due date
19:40 oleonard Yeah, date format doesn't change the outcome for me (with no fines)
19:41 wizzyrea no, date format doesn't change it, and it still doesn't prompt me for a proper due date.
19:41 7/30/2012 10:00
19:42 cait it doesn't happen when the hours push me after midnight
19:42 so it happens with 1 and 2 hours for me right now
19:42 wizzyrea does it stick at 00:00
19:42 or does it compute properly
19:42 and it's whole hours not partial hours
19:43 cait when past midnight it was 0:00
19:43 whih seems wrong
19:43 but i haven't tested hourly in the past
19:43 wizzyrea so if you check something out at 12:20 and it should be 2 hours, it is due at 1500?
19:43 cait I am not totally sure what it should do :(
19:43 Shane-S wizzyrea: no spacing in MYSQL it is 0061184
19:43 wizzyrea ping libsysguy
19:43 cait hm no it should be 15:20 I think
19:43 wizzyrea right, that's hat I thought
19:43 so it's wrong past midnight
19:43 too
19:43 jcamins wizzyrea: no, it should be due at 14:20.
19:44 cait ok, so we agree :)
19:44 jcamins I'm helping!
19:44 cait hehe
19:44 wizzyrea hehe
19:44 * cait hands jcamins a cookie
19:44 * Shane-S ponders if restarting the server might fix it
19:44 jcamins Shane-S: no.
19:44 wizzyrea um, if anything I'd clear your cache and cookies
19:45 jcamins ^^ that'd be more likely to help.
19:45 wizzyrea and re-login
19:45 Shane-S okay be back....
19:45 wizzyrea you may have hit refresh or back and bonked your session.
19:45 wow, that sounds dirty.
19:45 * wizzyrea waits for the kiwis to see that.
19:45 wizzyrea they will laugh a lot.
19:46 cait heh
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19:47 cait libsysguy: be careful - we are testing hourly
19:47 wizzyrea and it seems QUITE borked.
19:47 cait yep
19:47 wizzyrea hours greater than 1 uh, yea no work.
19:47 well did we test 1?
19:48 cait i did
19:48 wizzyrea did it work?
19:48 cait I get the owen screenshot
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19:48 wizzyrea 10am?
19:48 cait will recheck
19:48 wizzyrea HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
19:48 oleonard Smart guy
19:48 libsysguy joined #koha
19:48 cait 0:00
19:49 wizzyrea weird.
19:49 Shane-S wizzyrea, jcamins : same thing... even a working barcode number 55553 in the text area box, click Add Item button, no error but nothing happens, try 0061184 and it errors...
19:49 cait I get the wird confirmation
19:49 and then it sets 0:00 today - which is in the past
19:49 so it's overdue immediately
19:49 Shane-S could it be the biblio import? My install is from the packages if that matters
19:49 wizzyrea oh there was a thing
19:50 where it was setting due dates at 00:00 instead of 23:59
19:50 maybe that's what we're seeing
19:50 I think there's a patch for it
19:50 but not sure it's gotten through qa yet?
19:51 cait not sure
19:51 circ is not my expert area :(
19:52 wizzyrea yea let me look
19:53 mveron Good night #koha
19:53 wizzyrea bug 8165
19:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8165 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, due date of 00:00 instead of 23:59
19:54 oleonard 8182
19:54 Bug 8182
19:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8182 major, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Problem with overdue fine calculations after upgrade
19:56 Shane-S wizzyrea: maybe I have a deeper issue, if you enter a barcdode in the textarea of label creator "New Batch" what does it do, because in Internet Explorer add item(s) opens the search box
19:57 wizzyrea oh, IE
19:57 did you try firefox?
19:58 jcamins Shane-S: oh, you're using IE? I should've asked.
19:58 Chances are good it Just Won't Work.
20:05 Shane-S jcamins: no FireFox but wanted to try IE to ensure FFX wasn't the issue
20:05 wizzyrea can you give us a screen capture of your process, like a mini movie
20:05 jcamins Ah. Well, nothing will ever work in IE if it doesn't in FF.
20:05 Shane-S FireFox clears the number when I hit "Add Item(s)"
20:06 wizzyrea well here, I will show you what it looks like on mine
20:06 Shane-S I didn't know if I am supposed to hit Add Item(s) or if its an ajax type smart text area
20:07 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/xNrmo2WFrn
20:07 you click add items
20:08 and that is master.
20:08 not any particular version
20:08 Shane-S I don't have all those buttons...I will see if I can do that
20:08 wizzyrea if you don't have anything in your queue, I think there is only add items
20:08 oleonard As far as I can tell, the loan period is being calculated correctly at least up until we get into the Koha::Calendar section of CalcDateDue
20:08 wizzyrea well and there's drama in calendar too
20:09 * oleonard hasn't been following that drama
20:09 wizzyrea bug 8110
20:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Fines accruing on closed days
20:09 wizzyrea bug 8418
20:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8418 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Patch doesn't apply , Koha::Calendar is_holiday ignores all user data
20:10 * Shane-S is installing Jing
20:10 jcamins libsysguy was looking at Koha::Calendar, trying to figure out wth its problem was, I think.
20:10 wizzyrea bug 6398
20:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6398 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, ASSIGNED , Holidays cause date due to be improperly calculated
20:10 * libsysguy perks up
20:10 wizzyrea oh NOW you perk up
20:10 ;)
20:10 libsysguy sorry you have to say
20:10 libsysguy?
20:10 wahanui well, libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck or koha's youngest developer
20:11 libsysguy and yes I am re-working all of hourly loans
20:11 wizzyrea all of it? yikes.
20:11 libsysguy but it is a cluster****
20:11 wizzyrea hah.
20:11 oy.
20:11 * oleonard accuses libsysguy of hard-coding a 10AM due date in hourly loans
20:11 libsysguy well I told jcamins…but it was storing all of the effing weekdays in an array
20:11 * libsysguy ducks
20:12 libsysguy then pushing that array to the db
20:12 bug 8133 is what started my quest
20:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8133 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, ASSIGNED , hourly loans doesn't know when library closed
20:13 libsysguy now im just pissed at the whole Koha::Calendar file
20:13 * libsysguy is bitter
20:13 * oleonard picks this as a good time to disappear
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20:13 libsysguy heh
20:13 * oleonard waves goodbye
20:13 libsysguy later oleonard
20:13 * libsysguy gets off soap box
20:18 Shane-S wizzyrea: if it helps.. http://screencast.com/t/oISDk6bPEx
20:18 wizzyrea it always helps ;)
20:18 perhaps because you are logged in as the super super librarian
20:18 log in as a user that is not the DB user
20:18 Shane-S really...that causes issue?
20:18 wizzyrea yes
20:18 it
20:19 keeps the batches based on branch
20:19 and the superlibrarian has no branch set
20:19 Shane-S oh
20:19 wizzyrea and never has a branch set.
20:19 and never will.
20:19 Shane-S okay I will make a user tonight when I remote in
20:19 wizzyrea you can do that right now
20:19 create a patron
20:19 Shane-S I will but they are kicking me out
20:19 wizzyrea ah
20:19 Shane-S custodians want to lock up
20:19 wizzyrea i see
20:19 but yea
20:19 that should fix your issue
20:20 Shane-S okay, thanks! never thought of that
20:20 wizzyrea see, a simple picture
20:20 :)
20:20 jing is awesome ;)
20:20 Shane-S yeah pretty painless too :P
20:20 wizzyrea really, you don't want to "do stuff" with the db user
20:20 Shane-S okay probably be back on tomorrow
20:20 wizzyrea you use it for db updates and that's it
20:20 create a superlibrarian?
20:20 i thought wahanui had something in his brain about this
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20:21 Shane-S I was just trying to get it done, I didn't feel I needed an account. The librrarian will though
20:21 wizzyrea you do, definitely, need an account.
20:21 and it's no deal to have one
20:21 Shane-S thanks for the help as always have a good day/night
20:21 wizzyrea later :)
20:38 jcamins Remind me why making the XSLT sysprefs into text fields was a good idea?
20:38 libsysguy it wasn't
20:38 reminder succeeded
20:38 :)
20:38 jcamins Ah.
20:43 libsysguy on a scale of 1 − 10, 10 being the most important thing in Koha, how important is it to differentiate between what type of holiday your closure is.  Ex: Weekly, Yearly, etc...
20:49 rangi 1
20:49 It's pure a ui thing
20:50 libsysguy ok awesome…i can make it happen without that stuff easily
20:50 I have to jump through hoops to make it pretty and color coded
20:50 rangi Koha::Holiday
20:51 libsysguy is that where you want it?
20:51 rangi Then we can retire c4::calendar
20:51 libsysguy I was just putting it in Koha::Calendar
20:51 rangi Hmm I like that it's just getters
20:51 libsysguy I was porting over the stuff from C4::Calendar to Koha::Calendar
20:51 rangi Yeah  i wouldn't
20:51 libsysguy okay
20:52 I have been calling holidays closures
20:52 since it doesn't really have to be a holiday to be closed
20:52 rangi Check the bugs list Colin had a great comment about it
20:52 libsysguy the hourly bug?
20:52 rangi Bug 7351
20:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7351 enhancement, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, Needs Signoff , ability to edit a range of holidays
20:53 rangi Last comment there
20:53 libsysguy haha that is exactly what I was doing
20:53 poop
20:54 rangi Basically we don't want to pollute koha::calendar
20:54 It's solid and well tested now
20:54 Ie unit tested
20:54 libsysguy ok Koha::Closure.pm it is
20:55 rangi So a new module where we write tests first would stop us just creating new mess :-)
20:55 libsysguy hehe
20:55 where are the unit test for Koha::Calendar?
20:56 jcamins Koha_Calendar.t... somewhere?
20:57 rangi t/Calendar.t
20:57 wizzyrea (unless it's db_dependent_
20:57 or do we not write db dependent ones anymore
20:57 rangi It's not :-)
20:57 jcamins wizzyrea: we do, though we're trying to stop.
20:57 rangi Check it out it's cool
20:57 libsysguy heh that can't be it
20:58 rangi Yes it is
20:58 libsysguy 0_0
20:58 use_ok('C4::Calendar')
20:58 rangi Then later
20:58 libsysguy is all that is in there
20:58 rangi Hmm u on master?
20:58 libsysguy as of last week
20:59 rangi Look at it in 3.8.x
20:59 Or latest master
20:59 Has 21 tests
20:59 And even does neat mock thingd
21:00 libsysguy where the hell is all that in mine
21:00 rangi Also peep the patch from Bart on bug 5327
21:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 major, P3, ---, paul.poulain, Needs Signoff , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
21:00 rangi Old master?
21:00 libsysguy ill update
21:01 rangi That patch shows u how to mock a db connection
21:03 I will buy u 5 beers in Reno
21:03 libsysguy haha
21:03 rangi If you do unit tests
21:03 libsysguy unit tests it is
21:04 ahh there they all are
21:04 eythian libsysguy: he didn't mention that they'll be cheap beers ;)
21:04 jcamins eythian: after the fourth, he won't be able to tell that the fifth is cheap, too. ;)
21:05 libsysguy heh
21:05 eythian good point well made :)
21:05 libsysguy beer is beer
21:05 eythian libsysguy: heathen
21:05 libsysguy fine I am still in college
21:05 for the next 2 weels
21:05 weeks
21:05 im allowed to drink cheap beer till then :p
21:05 gmcharlt heh
21:06 eythian College is a fountain of knowledge, and the students go there to drink, eh? :)
21:06 jcamins eythian: trying to come to a deeper understanding of the difference between cheap and non-cheap beer?
21:06 libsysguy we are learning how to properly control ourselves under the influence
21:06 jcamins Interestingly, almost all my college friends have turned into beer snobs.
21:06 eythian jcamins: it's a natural progression, I think.
21:06 libsysguy haha
21:07 i have found my taste have gotten darker with age
21:07 gmcharlt @quote add <eythian> College is a fountain of knowledge, and the students go there to drink, eh? :)
21:07 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Quote #212 added.
21:09 * gmcharlt is still dealing with the consequences of that fact that my first beer (years ago) was a Guiness
21:09 gmcharlt not, perhaps, the best introduction
21:17 rangi Heh
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21:23 jcamins Bug 8525 is ready for sign off if someone wants to play with some eye candy.
21:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8525 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Highlight matches on details page
21:29 libsysguy rangi, for writing unit tests without doing work first, do I create the file and stubs?
21:31 jcamins libsysguy: you write the tests first, with the first one being use_ok(). Then, you work your way through writing Koha::Closure, making it pass each successive test.
21:31 rangi I write the test then write the file and sub to pass it
21:31 What he said
21:31 libsysguy ahh ok
21:31 jcamins Oh, and make sure it is object-oriented.
21:31 libsysguy is there any other way
21:31 jcamins (Koha::Closure not the test)
21:32 NO!
21:32 libsysguy heh
21:32 jcamins :)
21:34 wizzyrea it's like, omg, making a plan.
21:34 rangi What was that patch u did recently
21:35 jcamins Me?
21:35 wahanui you are A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins
21:35 * wizzyrea giggles
21:35 rangi Yup
21:35 Might help to look at
21:35 jcamins Bug 8209.
21:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
21:35 rangi Yeah
21:35 Kickarse
21:36 jcamins Though actually my development process for that was a little harder because I had two tests.
21:37 rangi And DBD::Mock is ur friend
21:37 Bug 5327 again
21:37 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 major, P3, ---, paul.poulain, Needs Signoff , Unit tests required for all C4 modules
21:37 jcamins Also, I didn't know about DBD::Mock yet when I wrote that, so I was at a huuuuge disadvantage.
21:37 rangi U don't even need tables in the db to test
21:38 jcamins Ooh, tests needing sign off?
21:38 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D (etc.)
21:38 rangi Needs a follow-up
21:38 For the new dependency
21:38 I didn't want to make Bart do that
21:39 But the test is good
21:39 * jcamins will provide one.
21:39 rangi Yay
21:39 Community++
21:39 Right off to treasury I go
21:44 jcamins DBD::sqlite2?
21:44 Ah, koc.
21:49 wizzyrea gl at treasury
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