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| 00:09 | BobB joined #koha | |
| 00:23 | Irma joined #koha | |
| 00:32 | * chris_n | looks in |
| 00:33 | jcamins | chris_n: I had a question for you. |
| 00:33 | C4::Barcodes. | |
| 00:33 | What is it for? | |
| 00:33 | * chris_n | has no idea |
| 00:33 | chris_n | never used it that I recall |
| 00:33 | jcamins | Really? It's copyright FBC. |
| 00:34 | chris_n | ich! |
| 00:34 | * chris_n | goes off to look |
| 00:34 | jcamins | I think... |
| 00:34 | Ah, no, maybe not. | |
| 00:34 | Maybe it's barcode.pl that was copyright FBC. | |
| 00:34 | chris_n | hmm |
| 00:35 | try the infamous LibLime | |
| 00:35 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 00:35 | chris_n | lemme look some more though |
| 00:35 | jcamins | I came across *something* relating to barcodes that was copyright FBC, and I couldn't figure out what it was for. |
| 00:35 | Clearly I need to keep notes, though. | |
| 00:35 | chris_n | ahh |
| 00:36 | this generates barcode numbers for the barcode plugin | |
| 00:36 | and I have touched it.... a very long time ago, and in galaxy far, far away | |
| 00:36 | ;-) | |
| 00:37 | what you see there at present is a total rewrite of the old code by atz (joe atzberger) moving it to more OO style | |
| 00:38 | * chris_n | wonders what the code base would say if it could talk |
| 00:38 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 00:39 | chris_n | jcamins: most of the labels/pcard stuff is copyrighted by FBC and it does have some barcode foo in it |
| 00:39 | jcamins | "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" ? |
| 00:39 | * chris_n | holds on |
| 00:39 | chris_n | oh |
| 00:39 | that's what the code would say? | |
| 00:39 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 00:39 | :) | |
| 00:39 | chris_n | hehe |
| 00:40 | * chris_n | will now right 100x's on the chalkboard: I will add my AAA server configuration to my nightly backup job. |
| 00:40 | hates getting spanked by hdd failures | |
| 00:42 | jcamins | Long night ahead of you? |
| 00:42 | chris_n | no, but its been a long last week |
| 00:42 | I took advantage of the disaster to get rid of the last w2k server on site | |
| 00:43 | jcamins | \o/ |
| 00:43 | chris_n | I replaced it with ubuntu quantal + samba 3.6.6 |
| 00:44 | the samba build on precision is buggy | |
| 00:44 | jcamins | Quantal? |
| 00:44 | Ah. | |
| 00:44 | chris_n | but rebuilding user accounts, groups, etc from scratch is for the birds |
| 00:45 | the crash left the file server directory structure orphaned from a perms standpoint | |
| 00:45 | jcamins | Ouch. |
| 00:45 | chris_n | fixing the standard *nix perms was not bad with 'find' |
| 00:45 | but the *nix acls were another story altogether :-P | |
| 00:47 | * chris_n | wanders off to re-join xp clients to the new domain.... |
| 00:47 | rangi | back |
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| 01:51 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #115 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 02:54 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #115: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/115/ |
| 02:54 | m.de.rooy: 7368 Adjustments for Perl dependencies | |
| 03:10 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 03:11 | Judit joined #koha | |
| 03:11 | Judit | hi |
| 03:12 | http://koha-community.org/ is down? | |
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| 03:12 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
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| 03:13 | dcook | Looks like, Judit |
| 03:13 | I was just about to ask the same thing ;) | |
| 03:16 | mtompset | I hate arriving in the middle of a conversation. |
| 03:16 | :) | |
| 03:17 | rangi | probably amazon again |
| 03:18 | dcook | Amazon? |
| 03:19 | rangi | its hosted in aws |
| 03:19 | NEKLS look after it, but its in the cloud | |
| 03:19 | NEKLS? | |
| 03:19 | wahanui | NEKLS is using those |
| 03:19 | rangi | wahanui: forget NEKLS |
| 03:19 | wahanui | rangi: I forgot nekls |
| 03:19 | dcook | Ahh |
| 03:19 | rangi | NEKLS is North East Kansas Library Service |
| 03:19 | (i cant ping it) | |
| 03:20 | mtompset | mailing lists? |
| 03:20 | wahanui | mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 03:20 | dcook | Google search brings it all up pretty quickly |
| 03:20 | Interesting | |
| 03:20 | wahanui | Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 03:20 | dcook | True |
| 03:20 | Darn, I was half hoping to get it going.. | |
| 03:21 | rangi | they arent hosted in the same place |
| 03:21 | dcook | By chance, does anyone know if the marc subfield structure data is cached in older versions of Koha such as 3.2? |
| 03:21 | Mmm, sorry, I meant the info about it. Rather than the site | |
| 03:21 | rangi | we have done a pretty good job of spreading stuff around |
| 03:22 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]te_Administration | |
| 03:23 | so we occassionally lose bits but never all of it, the koha.org debacle showed how important spreading things around are, and the dns is controlled by a charitable trust ... we learn from our history :) | |
| 03:24 | its 10.30pm in kansas, so probably will be out for a few hours if it does need hands on stuff | |
| 03:24 | dcook | :) |
| 03:24 | Mmm, makes sense | |
| 03:24 | * dcook | is a fan of decentralization |
| 03:24 | dcook | Hmm, maybe I shouldn't have written that... |
| 03:24 | mtompset | We are borg, you will be assimilated. :) |
| 03:25 | dcook | So long as I can vote and have health care, I'm pretty happy |
| 03:25 | But back to my question...there really shouldn't be any reason why that data is being cached, right? | |
| 03:26 | rangi | nope dcook |
| 03:26 | dcook | Hmm, that's what I thought. Thanks, rangi |
| 03:26 | In retrospect, one of my test cases already proved that, lol | |
| 03:26 | rangi | but for giggles, just make sure you dont have memcached running |
| 03:27 | dcook | Well, we have memcached running for our 3.8 installs |
| 03:28 | rangi | right, it might be that it is being cached but not cleared in 3.2 .. easy way to tell |
| 03:28 | dcook | How might that be? I'd love to check |
| 03:29 | rangi | look at C4/Biblio.pm |
| 03:29 | does it have | |
| 03:29 | memoize_memcached( 'GetMarcStructure' | |
| 03:29 | round line 107 | |
| 03:30 | dcook | line 138, it seems |
| 03:31 | rangi | right, so yep it is being cached |
| 03:31 | dcook | Hmm |
| 03:31 | But when I look at my test case, it has the same code, but it doesn't seem to be cached | |
| 03:31 | rangi | if memcached is switched on in the conf file that is |
| 03:31 | mtompset | Is there any documentation on the wiki that explains how to set up a memcache server? |
| 03:32 | rangi | its pretty much outside the scope of Koha |
| 03:32 | theres nothing special to do with koha in setting it up | |
| 03:32 | so linking to a page about memcached would be better imho | |
| 03:32 | dcook | Make sense |
| 03:32 | rangi | else its something else we have to maintain |
| 03:32 | dcook | In terms of the conf file, which one might that be? |
| 03:33 | rangi | im just checking out a 3.2.x |
| 03:33 | what version is it dcook ? | |
| 03:33 | dcook | 3.02.02.000 |
| 03:33 | I'm running two different ones, and they have different results, but I'm quite sure they have the same code... | |
| 03:34 | The conf files would be different though, so I'm thinking that might be where it is | |
| 03:34 | rangi | yeah |
| 03:34 | should be near the bottom in a <memcached> bit | |
| 03:34 | <memcached_servers>__MEMCACHED_SERVERS__</memcached_servers> <memcached_namespace>__MEMCACHED_NAMESPACE__</memcached_namespace> | |
| 03:35 | dcook | Yep, and there it is |
| 03:35 | Perfect. Thank you once again, Chris | |
| 03:35 | When I do finally get over to Wellington, I believe that I owe you quite a few drinks ;) | |
| 03:36 | I figured that it had to be caching in the memcached servers... | |
| 03:37 | But when we did a lookup, there wasn't anything about the 3.2 installs. I wonder if we were looking at a different namespace. | |
| 03:37 | * dcook | trots off to investigate |
| 03:46 | Judit1 joined #koha | |
| 03:50 | dcook | rangi++ |
| 03:53 | rangi | :) |
| 03:54 | mtompset | @karma rangi |
| 03:54 | huginn | mtompset: Karma for "rangi" has been increased 626 times and decreased 5 times for a total karma of 621. |
| 03:54 | mtompset | What did you do wrong, rangi? ;) |
| 03:54 | @karma mtompset | |
| 03:55 | huginn | mtompset: Karma for "mtompset" has been increased 17 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 16. |
| 03:55 | dcook | Relatively speaking, I think rangi's ratio is rather unparallele |
| 03:55 | d | |
| 03:55 | * mtompset | blames drojf for the -1. :P |
| 03:55 | rangi | heh |
| 03:55 | dcook | @karma dcook |
| 03:55 | huginn | dcook: Karma for "dcook" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. |
| 03:55 | dcook | Slowly but surely ;) |
| 03:55 | rangi | probably making bad jokes |
| 03:56 | mtompset | dcook++ |
| 03:56 | For being an active contributor. :) | |
| 03:56 | dcook | Thanks, mtompset |
| 03:56 | mtompset | Oh, dcook ... you're running on RPM-based machines, right? |
| 03:56 | rangi | http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]no-not-like-that/ |
| 03:57 | dcook | To the best of my knowledge, mtompset |
| 03:57 | rangi | any typoes id be happy to hear about |
| 03:58 | mtompset | I'll critique it later, rangi. :) |
| 03:58 | Do I have a script for you! | |
| 03:58 | Let me see if I can find it. :) | |
| 03:59 | dcook | Intriguing |
| 03:59 | I have noticed your love of unit testing, but I admit that I don't know anything about it | |
| 03:59 | mtompset | As you may be aware I was working on check_deps.sh |
| 03:59 | dcook | I could help with those typos though |
| 03:59 | mtompset | Well, I have a baby version for yum. :) |
| 03:59 | dcook | I vaguely remember this, yes :P |
| 04:00 | mtompset | how would you like to get it? |
| 04:00 | This really isn't bugzilla worthy. | |
| 04:01 | dcook | Hmm, it's probably something that I'd rather look at a bit later |
| 04:01 | At the moment, I'm just about to pop off for lunch | |
| 04:01 | mtompset | Ooo... lunch. good idea. |
| 04:02 | After lunch then. | |
| 04:03 | dcook | Sure. |
| 04:03 | Thanks again for your help before, rangi :) | |
| 04:07 | cait joined #koha | |
| 04:07 | mtompset | Greetings, cait. |
| 04:08 | cait | hi mtompset |
| 04:09 | rangi | hi cait |
| 04:10 | cait | hi rangi |
| 04:12 | Judit joined #koha | |
| 04:14 | rangi | sites back |
| 04:17 | mtompset | YAY! There's the mailing list page. |
| 04:21 | rangi: The only things I was wondering about were some commas like "Yes, you should rewrite it, NO! Not like that!" -- should that be a comma before the 'NO!'? | |
| 04:21 | Oh, and "Have you run the xt/tt_valid.t on that?" -- is that supposed to be xt? | |
| 04:22 | and “Oh I wrote a unit test for that” is missing a period. | |
| 04:23 | ibeardsl1e | and probably a "," after the "Oh" ? |
| 04:23 | mtompset | Or an exclamation point. |
| 04:24 | rangi | yep that should be xt |
| 04:24 | changing the others now | |
| 04:24 | mtompset | In short, http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]no-not-like-that/ is good. |
| 04:25 | And the "But seriously, if we invest time in writing tests, forcing us to learn the behaviour of the current implementation [comma here?] we can then make sure our refactor/rewrite still passes these tests. " | |
| 04:25 | rangi | ah yes |
| 04:27 | changed | |
| 04:28 | mtompset | The next sentence needs a bit of clean up too, I think. |
| 04:28 | Like the last part becoming its own sentence. | |
| 04:29 | I always take like a whole day to write documentation, because I keep running over mine to see if I made tiny mistakes. | |
| 04:29 | It becomes so tedious. | |
| 04:30 | What does korerorero mean? | |
| 04:30 | rangi | discussion |
| 04:30 | wahanui | discussion is always constructive :) |
| 04:31 | * mtompset | nods. |
| 04:32 | cait | wahanui: optimistic :) |
| 04:32 | wahanui | cait: sorry... |
| 04:32 | cait | poor bot |
| 04:37 | * mtompset | smirks, "Yes, poor bot." |
| 04:37 | mtompset | git |
| 04:37 | packages | |
| 04:37 | wahanui | packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 04:37 | mtompset | tarball |
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| 04:59 | mtompset | git? |
| 04:59 | wahanui | git is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 04:59 | mtompset | tarball? |
| 04:59 | wahanui | i heard tarball was uploaded just will do announce this evening, you just reminded me :-) |
| 05:00 | mtompset | forget tarball |
| 05:00 | wahanui | mtompset: I forgot tarball |
| 05:01 | mtompset | tarball is available at http://download.koha-community.org/ -- though if you are on a debian-based OS, try the packages. |
| 05:01 | tarball? | |
| 05:01 | wahanui: tarball is available at http://download.koha-community.org/ -- though if you are on a debian-based OS, try the packages. | |
| 05:01 | tarball? | |
| 05:02 | wahanui the tarball is available at http://download.koha-community.org/ -- though if you are on a debian-based OS, try the packages. | |
| 05:02 | tarball? | |
| 05:02 | the tarball? | |
| 05:02 | cait | the tarball? |
| 05:02 | tarball? | |
| 05:02 | tarball is available at http://download.koha-community.org/ -- though if you are on a debian-based OS, try the packages. | |
| 05:02 | wahanui: tarball | |
| 05:02 | wahanui | cait: sorry... |
| 05:02 | cait | ? |
| 05:03 | mtompset: sorry, not sure what's with him | |
| 05:03 | rangi | tarball? |
| 05:03 | mtompset | i |
| 05:03 | Oops.. | |
| 05:04 | rangi | yeah, not wanting to learn at the moment |
| 05:05 | mtompset | dcook_away: tell me when you are back. I'm working in another screen. :) |
| 05:15 | mt joined #koha | |
| 05:16 | Guest1334 | hi there,I wanted to create .db for my koha offline module, how can i go about it? |
| 05:17 | cait | are you using the firefox plugin or the separate software? |
| 05:17 | Guest1334 | am using the separate software. |
| 05:17 | are they different in requirements? | |
| 05:18 | cait | the firefox plugin just works, you don't need a db, but it can't do as much |
| 05:18 | http://kylehall.info/index.php[…]line-circulation/ | |
| 05:18 | sorry, I am not sure how to create a db for this | |
| 05:19 | Guest1334 | so how do you handle it yourself? |
| 05:20 | cait | our libraries are not using offline circ atm |
| 05:20 | http://manual.koha-community.o[…]/offlinecirc.html | |
| 05:20 | but I think I woudl tend to use the firefox plugin for when the network goes down | |
| 05:20 | it doesn't need any preparation | |
| 05:21 | http://manual.koha-community.o[…]/offlinecirc.html | |
| 05:21 | the second has more information | |
| 05:21 | which version of koha are you using? | |
| 05:21 | Guest1334 | am using 3.4 currently |
| 05:22 | cait | ah :( the firefox plugin will not work with that |
| 05:22 | maybe try mailing the mailing list with your question | |
| 05:22 | not a lot of people are here this time of the day | |
| 05:22 | Guest1334 | thats a great idea, thanks for your assistance |
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| 05:50 | mtt | hi there, |
| 05:51 | mtompset | cait++ |
| 05:51 | kf++ | |
| 05:51 | cait | hm? |
| 05:52 | mtt | i was going through the offline module, anyone aware of creating a .db file for the borrowers? |
| 05:52 | mtompset | Good customer support. |
| 05:53 | cait | ah |
| 05:59 | mtt: I would still recommend the mailing list :) | |
| 06:00 | mtompset | mailing list? |
| 06:00 | wahanui | mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
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| 06:12 | francharb joined #koha | |
| 06:12 | francharb | hi |
| 06:12 | wahanui | hi, francharb |
| 06:13 | mtompset | I hope the mailing list doesn't get spammed as a result. :) |
| 06:14 | cait | hi francharb |
| 06:14 | mtompset | Bonjour, francharb |
| 06:14 | francharb | Good morninb cait, mtompset ! |
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| 06:38 | schnydszch | what is the optimal requirements for koha? |
| 06:38 | somebody asked me that question | |
| 06:38 | good afternoon koha users | |
| 06:40 | mtj | optimal? a beowulf cluster |
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| 06:48 | mtompset | http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ |
| 06:48 | Minimal, I believe. | |
| 06:49 | As for hardware requirements... there are none expressly. | |
| 06:50 | If it can run a debian-based OS Server Version, that's a good start. | |
| 06:50 | julian_m | hello |
| 06:50 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:52 | mtompset | Greetings, magnuse and julian_m |
| 06:53 | magnuse | hiya mtompset |
| 06:53 | mtompset | Memory requirements will vary based on the size of the catalog, circulations, and other factors. |
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| 07:06 | kf joined #koha | |
| 07:06 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:06 | gaetan_B | good morning ! |
| 07:06 | kf | hi gaetan_B :) |
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| 07:08 | kf | bonjour paul_p |
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| 07:11 | asaurat joined #koha | |
| 07:11 | kf | guten morgen asaurat |
| 07:11 | :) | |
| 07:11 | paul_p | guten morgen kf |
| 07:11 | asaurat | 'morgen!! |
| 07:11 | wie geht es dir, kf? :) | |
| 07:12 | kf | gut, viel zu tun - und dir? |
| 07:14 | asaurat | gut, und viel zu tun auch :D |
| 07:14 | kf | :) |
| 07:18 | rangi | Raus! |
| 07:19 | kf | lol |
| 07:19 | rangi: sorry, but we are going to stay | |
| 07:19 | rangi | worth a try :) |
| 07:21 | my uncle used to yell that out at 5am | |
| 07:21 | when we were supposed to be doing chores | |
| 07:21 | (moving sheep and the like) | |
| 07:22 | worst holiday job ever | |
| 07:23 | kf | heh |
| 07:24 | mtompset joined #koha | |
| 07:24 | mtompset | what a weird disconnect. |
| 07:29 | I'm positive wizzyrea, I, and some others had a discussion about minimum memory requirements. | |
| 07:30 | mveron joined #koha | |
| 07:30 | mtompset | But I can't for the life of me find it in the irc logs. |
| 07:30 | mveron | Good morning #koha |
| 07:30 | mtompset | Good afternoon, mveron. :) |
| 07:31 | mveron | Koha never sleeps :-) |
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| 08:03 | kf | Ilike tweetbot |
| 08:03 | even if he doesn't eat cookies | |
| 08:16 | mtompset | tarball is available at http://download.koha-community.org/ -- though if you are on a debian-based OS, try the packages. |
| 08:16 | tarball? | |
| 08:17 | bad wahanui. :P | |
| 08:24 | drojf | ha! http://www.blazingmoon.org/new[…]u-810-a-tutorial/ |
| 08:24 | good day #koha | |
| 08:25 | kf | tarball is <reply> something |
| 08:25 | tarball? | |
| 08:25 | wahanui | something |
| 08:25 | kf | ah |
| 08:25 | there you go | |
| 08:25 | now you can teach him | |
| 08:27 | drojf | the poor bot is probably just tired |
| 08:27 | wahanui botsnack beer | |
| 08:27 | wahanui | :) |
| 08:27 | kf | making him drunk will not help the problem! .) |
| 08:27 | drojf | i make him happy, as you can see ;) |
| 08:28 | rangi | drojf++ |
| 08:28 | kf | rangi will give him irn bru next... I see it coming |
| 08:28 | drojf | heh |
| 08:28 | mtompset | tarball is <reply> The tarballs are available at http://download.koha-community.org/ -- though if you are on a debian-based OS, try the packages. |
| 08:28 | tarball? | |
| 08:28 | wahanui | something |
| 08:28 | drojf | he likes something more |
| 08:28 | mtompset | forget tarball |
| 08:28 | wahanui | mtompset: I forgot tarball |
| 08:28 | drojf | it's easier to remember too |
| 08:29 | mtompset | tarball is <reply> The tarballs are available at http://download.koha-community.org/ -- though if you are on a debian-based OS, try the packages. |
| 08:29 | tarball? | |
| 08:29 | tarball | |
| 08:29 | I think wahanui doesn't like me. | |
| 08:29 | drojf | tarball is <reply> can i have more beer please? |
| 08:29 | tarball? | |
| 08:29 | wahanui | can i have more beer please? |
| 08:29 | drojf | :) |
| 08:29 | good bot | |
| 08:30 | wahanui botsnack beer | |
| 08:30 | wahanui | :) |
| 08:30 | mtompset | wahanui forget tarball |
| 08:30 | wahanui | mtompset: I forgot tarball |
| 08:30 | mtompset | wahanui tarball is <reply> The tarballs are available at http://download.koha-community.org/ -- though if you are on a debian-based OS, try the packages. |
| 08:30 | tarball | |
| 08:30 | tarball? | |
| 08:30 | rangi | take the -- out |
| 08:31 | also no wahanui | |
| 08:31 | mtompset | AH! |
| 08:31 | rangi | tarball is <reply> The tarballs are available at http://download.koha-community.org/ though if you are on a debian-based OS, try the packages. |
| 08:31 | tarball? | |
| 08:31 | wahanui | The tarballs are available at http://download.koha-community.org/ though if you are on a debian-based OS, try the packages. |
| 08:31 | mtompset | packages? |
| 08:31 | wahanui | somebody said packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 08:31 | mtompset | That's sort of correct. |
| 08:33 | It should be redirecting to wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.8_on_Debian_Squeeze ... The cascading redirect doesn't seem to work. | |
| 08:35 | git? | |
| 08:35 | wahanui | git is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 08:35 | mtompset | which install to use? |
| 08:35 | wahanui | If you're developing, you should use git. If you're not developing on a deb-based system, you should use packages. If you're not developing on a different flavour of Linux, you should use the tarball. |
| 08:36 | mtompset | There, I think we've got that covered well. :) |
| 08:48 | magnuse | mtompset++ |
| 08:49 | mtompset | It was a group effort, magnuse, but thank you. :) |
| 08:49 | The 'which install to use' is a quote of jcamins_away. | |
| 08:53 | Hmm... I think appendix G in the manuals need updating. :) | |
| 08:54 | What's the syntax of @later or is it @tell? | |
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| 08:56 | rangi | @help tell |
| 08:56 | huginn | rangi: (tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells the <nick> whatever <text> is. Use nested commands to your benefit here. |
| 08:56 | rangi | @help later |
| 08:56 | huginn | rangi: Error: There is no command "later". |
| 08:56 | rangi | @help tell later |
| 08:56 | huginn | rangi: Error: There is no command "tell later". |
| 08:57 | rangi | it is @tell later |
| 08:57 | mtompset | Thanks, rangi. |
| 09:15 | drojf | @later tell drojf blub |
| 09:15 | huginn | drojf: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:15 | drojf | hm |
| 09:16 | @tell later drojf bla | |
| 09:16 | huginn | drojf: Error: I haven't seen later, I'll let you do the telling. |
| 09:16 | asaurat | that's not the other way around ? later tell ? |
| 09:17 | drojf | @tell drojf hello |
| 09:17 | yes it is | |
| 09:17 | later tell works | |
| 09:17 | asaurat | oh yes you did it earlier, didn't see |
| 09:22 | mtompset | Oh well... I found nengard's facebook page. |
| 09:23 | drojf | that sounds… stalky |
| 09:25 | mtompset | Is it wrong to want appendix G updated? |
| 09:25 | drojf | i don't even know what that is, but why not just send an email instead of searching her in fb? |
| 09:26 | mtompset | because I don't have an email. |
| 09:26 | rangi | theres a koha-docs mailing list |
| 09:26 | mtompset | DOH! That would have been better. |
| 09:26 | rangi | and a koha-docs git repository, you can even send a patch |
| 09:28 | drojf | also there are probably a million emails of her in the main ml |
| 09:30 | mtompset | hindsight is 20/20. Oh well. |
| 09:33 | drojf | someone got a spare 6v sealed lead acid battery? i think i ordered everything else i need for a self sustaining solar koha in a box |
| 09:33 | kf | ! |
| 09:34 | no battery but I like the idea :) | |
| 09:34 | * dcook_away | agrees from the land of tax |
| 09:34 | drojf | well, the battery and maybe sunshine would also be nice :D |
| 09:36 | i guess i need a wind- and rain-option to use it in germany soon | |
| 09:36 | mtompset | solar koha box? |
| 09:37 | Who needs library services in the middle of nowhere? | |
| 09:37 | drojf | everybody! |
| 09:37 | wahanui | it has been said that everybody is so enthusiastic today :) |
| 09:37 | drojf | see |
| 09:37 | :D | |
| 09:37 | dcook_away | Agreed |
| 09:37 | mtompset | land of tax? |
| 09:37 | dcook_away | A few months ago, I was going to do a class on international librarianship |
| 09:37 | It looked at librarianship in war zones, third-world countries, etc. | |
| 09:37 | drojf | cool |
| 09:37 | dcook_away | Unfortunately, scheduling conflicts didn't allow for me to take it :( |
| 09:37 | I'll have to pick the brains of my colleagues... | |
| 09:38 | Yep. I have to do my taxes before I leave Australia. | |
| 09:43 | mtompset | bug 8485 |
| 09:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8485 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Make koha_perl_deps.pl batch friendly |
| 09:43 | mtompset | I'm patching it up to have a -b and -r. :) |
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| 10:30 | mtompset | How would I write tests for koha_perl_deps.pl? Just a shell script? Or is there a .t way? |
| 10:34 | magnuse | kia ora eythian |
| 10:35 | eythian | hello |
| 10:36 | mtompset | Greetings, eythian |
| 10:36 | Thanks for the apt-file Contents. | |
| 10:37 | the check_deps.sh script works wonderfully as a result. | |
| 10:37 | eythian | øarsome |
| 10:38 | mtompset | BTW, Datapaginator or whatever those two libraries are... |
| 10:38 | I know they aren't required, but if I wanted to load them... I couldn't. | |
| 10:38 | Ubuntu doesn't have them. | |
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| 10:39 | Oak | kia ora #koha. |
| 10:39 | kf | |
| 10:39 | magnuse | |
| 10:39 | hello rangi :) | |
| 10:39 | mtompset | I feel so out of it. I don't feel right saying kia ora. :P |
| 10:39 | Greetings, Oak | |
| 10:39 | Oak | greetings mtompset :) |
| 10:40 | magnuse | Oak |
| 10:40 | mtompset | and salutations to you too, Oak |
| 10:43 | drojf | Bug statuses |
| 10:43 | Passed QA - 7 | |
| 10:43 | Failed QA - 91 | |
| 10:44 | sounds like we write a lot of bad code :P | |
| 10:45 | dcook_away | What are the date ranges for those :p |
| 10:46 | * dcook_away | pretends that he didn't say anything and actually goes away this time |
| 10:53 | mtompset | I think one of those is mine... I haven't gotten back to it yet. |
| 10:54 | It's an enhancement, so it's low priority. | |
| 10:54 | * mtompset | goes back to working on shell script to prove that his koha_perl_deps.pl changes are okay. |
| 11:06 | drojf | scumbag delivery company. asks to reschedule delivery if i am not at home, does not tell me when the delivery is supposed to be. |
| 11:11 | * mtompset | tries to calm drojf |
| 11:14 | drojf | i am calm ;) |
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| 11:26 | eythian | enhance your calm, citizen. |
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| 11:44 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 11:59 | mtompset | Greetings, oleonard jwagner jcamins and NateC |
| 12:00 | NateC | Hi mtompset! |
| 12:01 | jcamins | Good morning. |
| 12:05 | mtompset | YES! I have a shell script skeleton which I can modify to prove my koha_perl_deps.pl changes. :) |
| 12:05 | jwagner | hi mtompset |
| 12:08 | jcamins | rangi++ # good blog post |
| 12:33 | oleonard | In Lithuania. Interesting. |
| 12:34 | (a non-sequitur for the log) | |
| 12:35 | jcamins | Huh. |
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| 12:35 | mtompset | I think oleonard was trying to confuse log readers by stating that. |
| 12:36 | jcamins | mtompset: possibly. However, it *is* interesting. |
| 12:36 | oleonard | I find it interesting that a Lithuanian library would be comfortable choosing a US-based support company when US-based libraries would probably not be willing to do the reverse |
| 12:37 | tcohen | hi #koha |
| 12:37 | oleonard | Unless someone has an example to the contrary? |
| 12:37 | jcamins | oleonard: CALYX supports two libraries in the US. |
| 12:39 | oleonard | They don't seem to be in lib-web-cats |
| 12:39 | jcamins | Don't they? I thought CALYX supported a couple.e |
| 12:39 | s/e$// | |
| 12:41 | You're right. Not finding them in lwc. | |
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| 12:50 | oleonard | Hmm... we really need a new permission "View borrower information" as one step down from "Add or modify borrowers" |
| 12:50 | kf | it would be nice |
| 12:50 | for students working the late night shifts and such | |
| 12:51 | oleonard | And maybe another one just for handling fine payments? |
| 12:51 | kf | hm |
| 12:51 | jcamins | +1 |
| 12:51 | kf | so you can see fines but not pay? |
| 12:51 | I think maybe having a perm for waiving fines would be nice | |
| 12:51 | oleonard | So you could pay fines but not edit patron records? |
| 12:51 | * oleonard | doesn't know if that matches anyone's reality |
| 12:52 | kf | I am not sure |
| 12:52 | jcamins | Ah, no, we need a permission so you can edit patron records but not handle money. |
| 12:52 | kf | I think you get a summary on the patron record |
| 12:52 | so that might be ok if we had a view patrons | |
| 12:52 | oleonard | jcamins: So if we had the separate fines permission you could have it either way |
| 12:53 | jcamins | oleonard: yup. That's why I agree with you. :) |
| 12:53 | oleonard | I was just looking at Bug 3886 and noticing how silly it is that some print views have circ permission and some have borrowers permission |
| 12:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3886 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Can't print receipt w/out allowing "Add or modify borrowers" permission |
| 12:54 | oleonard | On the other hand, I don't know of a way of saying "This page is accessible to people with either X or Y permission" |
| 12:54 | kf | ah |
| 12:54 | I think you can do an || | |
| 12:54 | I have seen that | |
| 12:54 | in acq somewhere | |
| 12:55 | I think... hm. at least we are already doing it somewhere. | |
| 12:55 | oleonard | Have you? I tried to figure that out for Bug 8161 and never got it working |
| 12:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8161 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Cataloging home page should be accessible to users with permission to edit catalog or edit items |
| 12:55 | oleonard | The only reason that bug fix worked is because there are sub-permissions (what do we call those?) |
| 12:56 | kf | subpermissions soudns fine to me |
| 12:56 | hm give me a few minutes and I can try to find out where I saw it :) | |
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| 13:26 | mtompset | You know your testing is crazy thorough when you have to write a script to write the script for testing. :) |
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| 13:34 | * jcamins | wonders who is integrating Spring and Pubmed into Koha, and how. |
| 13:36 | kf | hm perhaps ebook packages? |
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| 13:38 | tcohen | mtompset, what's the situation of bug 8478? |
| 13:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Update Ubuntu related files |
| 13:38 | drojf | "connecteurs" klingt für mich mal nicht so richtig nach integration, eher nach link |
| 13:38 | lol | |
| 13:38 | too many languages | |
| 13:39 | connecteurs sounds more like a link, not "real" integration | |
| 13:39 | mtompset | Just that I noticed you didn't RM ubuntu_maverick.packages in your patch. |
| 13:39 | The modified version of koha_perl_deps.pl -- I'm working on that. | |
| 13:40 | bug 8485? | |
| 13:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8485 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Make koha_perl_deps.pl batch friendly |
| 13:40 | kf | drojf: lol - the think is I thought it sounded weird |
| 13:40 | thing... | |
| 13:40 | wahanui | it has been said that thing is in ephazz's current system, holdings information is held in field 852a - Lcation, 852k - Call number prefix e.g. HF, 852h - Classification part e.g. 5415, 852i - Item part e.g. SMI. Now i want to map do i do these to koha what |
| 13:40 | mtompset | It took a while to right the script to write the script to do the testing. |
| 13:40 | kf | but didn't get you were writing german |
| 13:41 | drojf | :D |
| 13:41 | kf | forget thing... |
| 13:41 | wahanui | kf: I forgot thing |
| 13:41 | mtompset | Other than that... go ahead with whatever you want for bug 8487. |
| 13:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8487 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, C4::Installer::PerlDependencies needs Test::Strict hash corrected |
| 13:41 | drojf | i was slightly confused. first i thought it was just the wrong window, but my german conversation in the next window is not about koha :D |
| 13:42 | mtompset | Oops... bug 8478 |
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| 13:46 | jcamins | kf: I know what pubmed and springer are, I was just wondering who was doing the work. |
| 13:46 | magnuse | jcamins: someone called YvesTomic, by the looks of it? |
| 13:47 | * kf | is confused now |
| 13:48 | jcamins | magnuse: do you know who that is? I'd be interested in asking the developer to consider releasing their code, since Koha is open source. |
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| 13:49 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 13:51 | oleonard | Hi wizzyrea |
| 13:51 | drojf | jcamins: http://mydk-tomic.net/ |
| 13:52 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 13:52 | Nifty. | |
| 13:52 | jeff | mtompset: if you have to write a script to write the script for testing, does your test-writing script have tests? :-) |
| 13:53 | mtompset | No, I don't recurse that far back. |
| 13:53 | It's just writing out 512 test cases by hand would be torture. | |
| 13:54 | How do you force a line break in the perlpod stuff? | |
| 13:55 | * oleonard | pictures rangi handing out Professor Umbridge-style punishments for not writing tests: "I will write tests, I will write tests..." |
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| 13:56 | mtompset | How do you force a line break in the perlpod? I don't want my example calls to all be blurred into a run on line when the help is displayed. |
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| 14:00 | mbalmer | btw, I found a quite unbiased comparison between mysql and pgsql, in case anyone is interested in it: http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/MySQL_vs_PostgreSQL |
| 14:01 | oleonard | mbalmer: How is your work on making Koha db-agnostic coming along? |
| 14:02 | mtompset | Found an answer: add a space at the front of the line. |
| 14:02 | mbalmer | oleanard, still not able to run the installer for real |
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| 14:07 | drojf | jcamins: apparently he uses php to get data from external sources and displays that in koha. does not sound like the best idea to me |
| 14:07 | jcamins | drojf: no, it sure doesn't. |
| 14:12 | mtompset | external connectors... *cringes* |
| 14:17 | You know you have done too much bash scripting when your perl scripts mess up because == is numeric in perl, but a string in bash. | |
| 14:19 | * kf | mutters |
| 14:19 | kf | subject can have 3 differnt meanings in German |
| 14:19 | but we can only make one translation... | |
| 14:19 | * mtompset | hands kf some cookies. |
| 14:20 | kf | thx needed |
| 14:21 | mtompset | Well, I'm sure you could mention this problem to whoever controls the po strings. They could add the other two cases, even if they are the same in other languages, right? |
| 14:21 | kf | mtompset: the problem is more difficult |
| 14:21 | the way our po files owrk, you can only do 1 translation for each string | |
| 14:21 | and each string is only translated once | |
| 14:22 | well 2 times max, once for opac and once for staff | |
| 14:22 | drojf | that sounds stupid |
| 14:22 | kf | and in this case, both are on the same template... *sigh* |
| 14:22 | drojf: it's subject | |
| 14:22 | mtompset | oh, that's even more frustrating. |
| 14:22 | kf | and you don't want to translate them every time a word occurs |
| 14:22 | subject = Betreff, Thema, Schlagwort | |
| 14:23 | mtompset | What are the differences in nuance? |
| 14:23 | kf | subject of a mail, subject in library speak (6xx fields) and a topic |
| 14:24 | mtompset | Perhaps the English can change to accomodate the three nuances? |
| 14:24 | drojf | kf: then we have to find and use the most differentiated language as the base for all translations |
| 14:24 | kf | yeah, that's my best hope |
| 14:24 | jcamins | @marc 520 |
| 14:24 | huginn | jcamins: Unformatted information that describes the scope and general contents of the materials. This could be a summary, abstract, annotation, review, or only a phrase describing the material. (Repeatable) [a,b,u,3,6,8] |
| 14:25 | jcamins | ^^ see, not "subject." |
| 14:25 | kf | jcamins: will you write a patch? :P |
| 14:25 | or suggest a term so I can? | |
| 14:25 | mtompset | kf said 6xx fields. |
| 14:25 | @marc 600 | |
| 14:25 | huginn | mtompset: A subject added entry in which the entry element is a personal name. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,r,s,t,u,v,x,y,z,2,3,4,6,8] |
| 14:25 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 14:25 | jcamins | 520 should have the label "Summary" |
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| 14:26 | kf | I am checking matser now |
| 14:26 | Shane-S | when I click a book in the admin cataloging it takes me to the MARC tab, can I change it to default to normal? |
| 14:27 | kf | hm yes |
| 14:27 | jcamins | Shane-S: yes. In the sysprefs there's a "Default[something]View" syspref. |
| 14:27 | Shane-S | wizzyrea: you were right btw, labeling is working, I needed users :) |
| 14:27 | jcamins: okay will check thanks! | |
| 14:27 | wizzyrea | YAY!!! |
| 14:27 | * wizzyrea | highfives Shane-S |
| 14:28 | wizzyrea | (srsly, that's great. :)) |
| 14:28 | kf | jcamins: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]68bafe8a6002#l684 |
| 14:28 | Shane-S | now I am fixing barcodes...has I know the padded 00 was missing from one label, I would have removed T00 not just the T.... |
| 14:29 | kf | http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd520.html |
| 14:29 | meh. | |
| 14:29 | Shane-S | I think jcamins said it yesterday.. something like perfect gets in the way of good |
| 14:33 | little confused its says on cataloging show records on [normal view] in the drop down already, but it opens in MARC | |
| 14:34 | kf | have you checked if there aredifferent prefs for opac and staff? |
| 14:35 | Shane-S | nope...looking now |
| 14:36 | jcamins | IntranetBiblioDefaultView |
| 14:36 | Try to set it to something else then set it back. | |
| 14:36 | kf | oh good hint |
| 14:38 | Shane-S | hmm...think I need to clear my session to see that change? |
| 14:38 | jcamins | No. |
| 14:38 | You do need to refresh the results page, though. | |
| 14:39 | Shane-S | I edited a barcode, then did a new catalog search, clicked the title, still MARC |
| 14:39 | I will check the setting saved (though the black confirmation and log notification bar came up it was saved both times) | |
| 14:40 | jcamins | Shane-S: wait, are you having this problem in the staff client or the OPAC? |
| 14:40 | I understood the problem to be with the staff client. | |
| 14:40 | Also set BiblioDefaultView to "in simple form." | |
| 14:42 | Shane-S | staff client |
| 14:42 | wahanui | hmmm... staff client is for the staff in the library, OPAC is for patrons |
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| 14:43 | Shane-S | ill move systems soon and screencast it if need be |
| 14:43 | jcamins | Shane-S: try changing BiblioDefaultView as well. |
| 14:43 | It's on the OPAC tab. | |
| 14:43 | Could be the two sysprefs are reversed. | |
| 14:46 | Shane-S | changed both, then set both back to simple...I will go to my screen cast system and record it. That will also give me a new session to test too |
| 14:46 | mtompset | Did I send you the yum version of the check_deps.sh script, jcamins? |
| 14:46 | jcamins | mtompset: yes, I believe so. |
| 14:46 | mtompset | I just realized that depends on bug 8485 |
| 14:46 | jcamins | Shane-S: are you running memcached? |
| 14:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8485 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , Make koha_perl_deps.pl batch friendly |
| 14:47 | jcamins | If so, restart it. |
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| 14:53 | Shane-S2 | jcamins: http://screencast.com/t/nwLswuFyrk I am pretty sure I did it right |
| 14:55 | Shane-S | jcamins: where can I check on memcached? I don't remember checking that during install as it had a not about issues if I recall |
| 14:58 | jcamins | Shane-S: just run "sudo service memcached restart" from the command line. |
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| 15:02 | jcamins | Shane-S: is there a reason, though, why you are using the cataloging module search? |
| 15:02 | It may be that the Cataloging module always brings you to the MARC view, now that I think about it, because the only reason you would *be* in cataloging module is to work with MARC. | |
| 15:04 | I'm checking now. | |
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| 15:04 | jcamins | Yeah, that's why. |
| 15:05 | The Cataloging module search always brings you to the MARC view. | |
| 15:05 | Morthland | I got an email from the cron daemon, sent to rootmorthland.org. |
| 15:05 | jcamins | You should just use the regular search. |
| 15:05 | Morthland | How can I change that to send to librarymorthland.org |
| 15:05 | jcamins | Morthland: you'll probably need to set up a mail aliases file. |
| 15:06 | Morthland | In postfix? |
| 15:06 | jcamins | Morthland: you can probably find instructions for that in the documentation for your MTA of choice. |
| 15:06 | Yes. | |
| 15:06 | Morthland | Fantastic. Thank you. |
| 15:06 | jcamins | Though- you might be able to change which e-mail messages are going to by editing the crontab. |
| 15:06 | You could find about that in the cron documentation. | |
| 15:06 | * jcamins | would go with setting up an alias, though. |
| 15:09 | Morthland | I will set up the alias. It seems to make the most sense. |
| 15:14 | mtompset | Shoot! My 512 test cases are still running! |
| 15:14 | I'll submit the patch anyways. :) | |
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| 15:21 | Shane-S | jcamins: sorry got pulled away, I am using it to fix barcodes, so I am searching for books by title, clicking the right one, seeing MARC, click normal, find the book with the bad barcode and click the barcode #, then I click Edit Item so I can fix the barcode |
| 15:21 | jcamins | You should just use the regular search if you don't want to look at the MARC. |
| 15:22 | Shane-S | the one with checkout/checkin/patron/catalog under it? |
| 15:25 | jcamins | Yes. "Search in catalog." |
| 15:25 | Click the link "Search" to get to the advanced search screen. | |
| 15:25 | Shane-S | jcamins: okay I see, I thought cataloging make more logical sense, but it does what you say and the barcode testing works as well |
| 15:25 | mtompset | jcamins, koha_perl_deps.pl patch for bug 8485 has been uploaded. |
| 15:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8485 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Make koha_perl_deps.pl batch friendly |
| 15:26 | Shane-S | Search I didn't like as I have to specify what I am looking for. I need "speed" right now to just verify barcodes |
| 15:26 | making 2 piles...work and don't work, then 2 piles from the "don't work" fix and replace | |
| 15:27 | jcamins | Shane-S: then use the search box that appears on almost every page. |
| 15:28 | Shane-S | I was just trying to save a click, you have to pick search the catalog or cataloging from more. However, you are right the search from cataloging saves 3 clicks over the cataloging search |
| 15:30 | jcamins: Thanks for the help, now I can start making my giant piles | |
| 15:30 | jcamins | I'm still not exactly clear on what you're doing, but I'm glad I could help. :) |
| 15:32 | Shane-S | I personally am just doing a trial, so I can direct the librarian in the quickest manner to correct barcodes in Koha and make barcode labels for the books that need their label replaced |
| 15:32 | It seems all the labels from the Circ/Cat system need to be replaced. | |
| 15:33 | Our label from a vendor, don't have the T00 hidden in the barcode, so we can just make the numbers match exactly. In Koha they have 2 leading zero's the barcode label does not | |
| 15:34 | jcamins | Shane-S: why don't you take out the two leading zeros? |
| 15:34 | Shane-S | hmm...wonder if I should just do an SQL query looking for barcodes starting with 00 and strip them out |
| 15:34 | jcamins | I would. |
| 15:35 | * Shane-S | hasn't done a complex query in a while...goes to mysql.com |
| 15:46 | oleonard | If I create "modify_patrons" and "view_patrons" permissions is someone going to complain that a user with "modify_patrons" permission can do all the same things someone with "view_patrons" can do? |
| 15:46 | "Hey, I said he could only modify patrons, not view them too!" | |
| 15:46 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 15:46 | kf | not me |
| 15:46 | did you find out about the permissions? | |
| 15:47 | sorry, I got distracted :( | |
| 15:48 | oleonard | At this point I don't need to do "flagsrequired => { A or B }", so I'm not waiting to find out if it can be done |
| 15:48 | mveron | By #koha |
| 15:48 | * oleonard | grumbles about FIXMEs which say simply "this script needs to be refactored" |
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| 15:49 | kf | oleonard++ for going there :) |
| 15:50 | into scripts that need refactoring | |
| 15:50 | and bye all :) | |
| 15:50 | mtompset | Bye, kf. |
| 15:50 | kf left #koha | |
| 15:51 | mtompset | gbsd... sit in a corner and fix all the FIXMEs. |
| 15:52 | jcamins? | |
| 15:52 | wahanui | i guess jcamins is A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins |
| 15:52 | gmcharlt | developper? |
| 15:52 | I like it -- "developper. noun. One who improves code by removing some." | |
| 15:52 | mtompset | Hey, I didn't type. Someone else did. |
| 15:52 | oleonard | developper = cross between developer and tree-trimmer? |
| 15:54 | eythian | "must have negative LOC count" |
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| 15:55 | jcamins | Hehe. |
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| 15:55 | jcamins | I don't think I do. |
| 15:56 | nengard | jcamins you're just the person I need :) |
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| 15:56 | nengard | I'm training |
| 15:56 | say hi to the catalogers :) | |
| 15:56 | the question is what do i search if i want to find things with the subject of united states and the subject subfield of encyclopedia | |
| 15:57 | oleonard | Hi catalogers! |
| 15:58 | jcamins | And searching for "united states -- encyclopedia" in subject doesn't work? |
| 15:58 | mgeist | Hi catalogers. |
| 15:58 | jcamins | Hi catalogers. |
| 15:58 | mtompset | Greetings, catalogers. |
| 15:59 | oleonard | jcamins' search will return results for subjects like " Urban folklore -- United States -- Encyclopedias." |
| 15:59 | Don't know if that's okay or not? | |
| 16:00 | jcamins | oleonard: yes, but any search we can come up with will do that. |
| 16:00 | (any search we can come up with without using less-than-memorable syntax) | |
| 16:01 | oleonard | I just think it's important to note since the question may be about a more exclusive search |
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| 16:01 | jcamins | oleonard: I know. But I wanted to start with the "things that people will be able to remember" option. |
| 16:02 | nengard: does that simple query meet the needs? | |
| 16:03 | mtompset | He didn't want to scare with the PQF. ;) |
| 16:03 | jcamins | mtompset: actually, we can avoid PQF for this query, provided they're using DOM indexing. |
| 16:03 | mtompset | PQF? |
| 16:03 | wahanui | PQF is Prefix Query Format or at http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/tools.html#PQF |
| 16:04 | mtompset | I know, but people should know what a knowledgeable expert you are. ;) |
| 16:05 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 16:05 | * mtompset | waves bye to #koha and the catalogers. :) |
| 16:09 | paul_p | chris_n = bug 7167 updated ! (could not work on it yesterday morning, but we took the whole day on it with joubu !!!) |
| 16:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements |
| 16:09 | jcamins | gmcharlt: was a patch lost on bug 7818? |
| 16:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7818 critical, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records |
| 16:10 | jcamins | There are no "index_heading" calls. |
| 16:12 | paul_p | nengard = hi from France, catalogers ! |
| 16:12 | gmcharlt | jcamins: where, specifically? I'm seeing references in several files in both master and 3.8.x |
| 16:13 | jcamins | gmcharlt: in biblio-koha-indexdefs. |
| 16:14 | * oleonard | finds several staff client scripts with authnotrequired => 1 |
| 16:14 | jcamins | oleonard: that doesn't seem like such a good idea. |
| 16:15 | * oleonard | wonders if there's a better way to handle the error pages (404.pl, etc) than authnotrequired => 1 |
| 16:16 | oleonard | We don't have a generic "can be logged in to the staff client" permission |
| 16:16 | jcamins | oleonard: staffaccess? |
| 16:16 | oleonard | staffaccess = "Modify login / permissions for staff users" |
| 16:17 | chris_n | paul_p: fantastic |
| 16:17 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 16:17 | chris_n | I'll schedule some time tonight or tomorrow for it |
| 16:17 | jcamins | Uhhh... |
| 16:17 | paul_p | chris_n++ ! |
| 16:17 | jcamins = you're also welcomed to test bug 7167 ! | |
| 16:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements |
| 16:17 | jcamins | paul_p: yes, I was just thinking I would. |
| 16:17 | Full disclosure: I tend to find things that I want changed. :P | |
| 16:19 | paul_p | jcamins = if that's things we can improve later, I've no problem with it ;-) |
| 16:19 | gmcharlt | jcamins: no missing patch, just something awaiting tuits |
| 16:19 | jcamins | gmcharlt: ah. |
| 16:23 | nengard | oleonard and jcamins thank you!! |
| 16:23 | we moved on to serials but that does help us and that is what we watn | |
| 16:23 | want | |
| 16:29 | jcamins | There is a cat sitting on my keyboard. It makes work very difficult. |
| 16:34 | Shane-S | jcamins: I think I am missing something, I did a test query to remove leading zero's and the item shows the barcode change, but I have to search with the leading zeros. I went to lunch for 20 minutes to give time for a zebra index |
| 16:34 | do I need to run the query on more then the "items" table? | |
| 16:35 | jcamins | Shane-S: you have to reindex everything if you change things in MySQL. |
| 16:35 | Zebra doesn't know you've changed it. | |
| 16:37 | Shane-S | is there a way to do it via Koha so I can avoid that step? |
| 16:37 | batch edit perhaps? | |
| 16:37 | jcamins | No. |
| 16:37 | rambutan | Interesting behavior: http://opac.rhcl.org <- search "I am number 4" results in DVD only... |
| 16:37 | jcamins | The batch edit functionality won't allow you to edit the barcode in that way. |
| 16:37 | rambutan | search "I am number four" results in both DVD and book |
| 16:38 | Shane-S | okay, I will search the wiki for re-indexing I remember doing that in the past with my 3.6 test system |
| 16:38 | rambutan | Correct title for both is "I am number four". |
| 16:38 | jcamins | Shane-S: koha-rebuild-zebra --full instancename |
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| 16:39 | oleonard | rambutan: The DVD has "I am number 4" as "other title" |
| 16:39 | rambutan | harumpfff |
| 16:39 | jcamins | rambutan: B&T's record is... somewhat less complete. |
| 16:39 | Based on a DLC record. | |
| 16:40 | And of course AACR2 says you don't list numerals in 246, just spelled-out numbers. | |
| 16:40 | (silly? Why yes!) | |
| 16:40 | oleonard | How does AACR2 suggest you handle such cases? |
| 16:41 | jcamins | oleonard: AACR2 says that the book record is correct, and "I am number 4" should not appear anywhere in the record. |
| 16:41 | oleonard | Ha |
| 16:41 | * oleonard | gives AACR2 the finger |
| 16:44 | rambutan | I have so informed the reference librarian in question and cc'd: the cataloger of this MLS-level information. They will possibly think I'I'll wait 24 hours before giving the proper citation. |
| 16:44 | canx above | |
| 16:44 | I have so informed the reference librarian in question and cc'd: the cataloger of this MLS-level information. They will possibly think I'm very smart. I'll wait 24 hours before giving the proper citation. | |
| 16:46 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 16:49 | * chris_n | dutifully notes that his "round 'tuit" is carefully hidden away in a little used drawer at home |
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| 17:03 | oleonard | I wonder if there is a situation where you would give someone circ permission but not want to grant them view_patrons permission? |
| 17:03 | cait | hm |
| 17:03 | * oleonard | has learned never to trust his common sense in these situations |
| 17:03 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 17:03 | cait | if you can circ, you will have to check the name, not sure if it makes sense to not see the rest? |
| 17:03 | I think unless someone asks for it... I would not take it into account | |
| 17:13 | Morthland | is upgrading as simple as sudo make upgrade? |
| 17:13 | from 3.8.1 to 3.8.3 | |
| 17:13 | ? | |
| 17:14 | jcamins | Morthland: and running the webinstaller. |
| 17:15 | Morthland | Will the webinstaller run if I have a database already? |
| 17:15 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 17:15 | It runs automatically when you try to log in the first time. | |
| 17:16 | Morthland | Fantastic. Thanks! |
| 17:16 | jcamins | It's even easier when you use packages. |
| 17:16 | Morthland | packages? |
| 17:16 | wahanui | well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 17:17 | Morthland | Well. That's pretty nifty. |
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| 18:16 | oleonard | Bug 7955 says "signed off" but a statistics tab is already on patron records? I'm confused. |
| 18:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7955 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Statistics tab in patron module |
| 18:17 | oleonard | Is it a follow-up which makes it signed-off? |
| 18:17 | Oh, I guess so: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ivity.cgi?id=7955 | |
| 18:18 | Will the follow-up make it work correctly? :| | |
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| 18:21 | Brooke | o/ |
| 18:21 | oleonard | Hi Brooke, what brings you 'round? |
| 18:21 | Brooke | felt like logging on :) |
| 18:22 | how's it going, Owen? | |
| 18:22 | oleonard | Fine. |
| 18:23 | Working on Bug 8535 and discovering all kinds of messes | |
| 18:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8535 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Granular permission for viewing patron information |
| 18:23 | Brooke | icky |
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| 18:44 | JesseM | Has anyone come across an issue viewing purchase suggestions in Suggestions Management after an upgrade to 3.8.3? |
| 18:45 | oleonard | What's the issue JesseM ? |
| 18:45 | JesseM | Old suggestions not showing at all |
| 18:48 | oleonard | I certainly don't have that problem in master JesseM |
| 18:49 | We don't do suggestions in our production system so I can't help by checking there | |
| 18:49 | cait | JesseM: try refreshing the page |
| 18:49 | JesseM | ok thanks oleonard |
| 18:49 | cait | also only the current library will show now I think |
| 18:49 | so if you have old ones... could be related to the branchcode maybe | |
| 18:50 | JesseM | Thx cait |
| 18:51 | cait | only guessing mostly, but maybe |
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| 18:59 | Morthland2 | I'm getting this error: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 758. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 31. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 31. Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/intran |
| 18:59 | jcamins | Sounds like a branchcode issue. |
| 18:59 | Morthland2: sounds like your MySQL server isn't running. | |
| 19:00 | cait | Morthland: did you just reimport the database? |
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| 19:14 | oleonard | See ya later #koha |
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| 19:18 | jcamins | nengard is telling people to use 001 for OCLC number, isn't she? |
| 19:18 | * jcamins | sighs |
| 19:18 | cait | she is |
| 19:18 | I wonder why not downloding directly? | |
| 19:18 | creating the order from external source? | |
| 19:20 | rangi | Morning |
| 19:20 | trea | morning rangi |
| 19:20 | jcamins | Because most libraries don't pay the exhorbitant rates for Z39.50 access to OCLC, I think. |
| 19:21 | cait | oh |
| 19:21 | morning rangi | |
| 19:21 | jcamins | The problem is, if you get vendorload records prior to your OCLC overlay, the 001 could have god-knows-what. |
| 19:21 | Which would be exactly why I say to use 035. | |
| 19:22 | rangi | Yea |
| 19:22 | Makes sense | |
| 19:23 | jcamins | Of course, I've been saying that for a year with no effect. |
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| 19:24 | cait | where do you put the source with 035 again? |
| 19:25 | jcamins | (OCoLC)ocm123456789 |
| 19:25 | :) | |
| 19:25 | cait | ew |
| 19:25 | but ok | |
| 19:26 | jcamins | Add "(OCoLC)" as a default value to the 035$a. |
| 19:26 | cait | hm? |
| 19:26 | jcamins | To save typing. |
| 19:26 | If that's what you were objecting to. | |
| 19:26 | cait | ah, only not a fan of the () syntax |
| 19:27 | jcamins | Nor am I, but that's the way it is. |
| 19:28 | cait | agreed |
| 19:40 | jcamins | cait: can't you use the ACQ framework to add additional fields to the acquisitions module? |
| 19:40 | cait | not to the new order form |
| 19:40 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 19:40 | cait | only the items 952 is used |
| 19:40 | jcamins | Got it. |
| 19:41 | cait | hm |
| 19:41 | it would be nice tho :) | |
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| 19:48 | jcamins | Well, I tried. |
| 19:54 | rangi | sekjal: yep I do :) |
| 19:55 | cait | hm? |
| 19:55 | rangi | was answering a later |
| 19:57 | hmm thats the first lithuanian library i know of using koha | |
| 19:57 | cait | cool :) |
| 19:58 | jcamins | But they've been using Koha for a while. |
| 19:58 | Didn't it say they went live in 2008? | |
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| 19:59 | rangi | ah yeah, its an upgrade |
| 20:02 | sekjal | rangi: figured Wellington was a small enough open source IT community that you may have had some overlap |
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| 20:08 | rangi | sekjal: i used to run into them a lot more when i went to curry thursday |
| 20:09 | http://wellington.thursdaynightcurry.com/ | |
| 20:12 | right, new month, new scoreboard | |
| 20:13 | can anyone beat jonathan this month | |
| 20:13 | cait | ah |
| 20:13 | are you going to reset totally? | |
| 20:13 | rangi | http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]cs-for-july-2012/ |
| 20:13 | just the signoff stats | |
| 20:13 | its now showing signoffs for august | |
| 20:13 | cait | we can try to |
| 20:14 | but I guess it's from qaing? | |
| 20:14 | rangi | nope, its from marking signed off |
| 20:14 | cait | ah ok :) cool :) |
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| 21:22 | libsysguy | does anybody else find the template toolkit loop variables name strange |
| 21:22 | foreach *_LOO in *_LOOP | |
| 21:23 | jcamins | Very strange. |
| 21:23 | eythian | libsysguy: it's a legacy of template conversion |
| 21:23 | jcamins | It's because it was automatically converted. |
| 21:23 | I've decided it's endearing. :) | |
| 21:23 | eythian | me too :) |
| 21:23 | libsysguy | I've decided to hate it |
| 21:24 | i keep wanting to do mine as holiday in holidays etc | |
| 21:24 | jcamins | You don't have to do that in new code. |
| 21:24 | libsysguy | 0_0 |
| 21:24 | jcamins | But, I think it's probably good to do all caps. |
| 21:24 | * libsysguy | goes back to delete all the bad loo vars |
| 21:24 | rangi | and dont do $template->param either |
| 21:24 | libsysguy | i can do that |
| 21:24 | rangi | thats an html::template thing |
| 21:25 | jcamins | (and all caps only when your code could easily get missed) |
| 21:25 | rangi | that we have a shim for, but it should go away |
| 21:25 | jcamins | Shims_going_away++ |
| 21:25 | You know what we should do in 3.12? | |
| 21:25 | Put in a warning. | |
| 21:25 | rangi | good idea |
| 21:25 | jcamins | "You have set a parameter incorrectly." |
| 21:26 | Or move it into C4::Template::Shims, and only include that in legacy code. | |
| 21:26 | libsysguy | then an ascii hand to come smack you down |
| 21:26 | jcamins | Or something. |
| 21:26 | rangi | that'd work |
| 21:26 | mgeist | Time to go. Have a good evening! |
| 21:27 | libsysguy | rangi or jcamins do we typically put TT vars in arrays or hashes |
| 21:27 | I can't for the life of me figure out how to loop through a hash in TT | |
| 21:27 | rangi | its up to you |
| 21:27 | jcamins | Hashes. |
| 21:27 | Well... | |
| 21:27 | No, I guess we usually do arrays of hashes. | |
| 21:27 | What are you trying? | |
| 21:28 | rangi | $template->{VARS}->{fishface} = whatever the hell you want :) |
| 21:28 | libsysguy | it was arras of hashes before |
| 21:28 | heh | |
| 21:28 | rangi | it could be a scalar, a hashref or an an arrayref |
| 21:28 | libsysguy | oh i bet the calendar code was using template param |
| 21:28 | * libsysguy | goes to look |
| 21:29 | libsysguy | and it would be using template->param |
| 21:29 | rangi | yeah |
| 21:31 | eythian | rangi: $template->{VARS}{fishface} = ... ;) |
| 21:32 | rangi | :) |
| 21:37 | * wizzyrea | imagines the ascii spanking libsysguy would apply, laughs |
| 21:37 | libsysguy | Anna is the only one allowed to do any spanking around here :p |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea | O RLY |
| 21:38 | jcamins | Oooh... I know... we always use $template for the template, don't we? |
| 21:38 | libsysguy | YRS RLY! |
| 21:38 | jcamins | YRS? |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea | I think you mean YA RLY |
| 21:38 | libsysguy | bad caps grammer |
| 21:38 | jcamins | We can add a check for "$template->param" to the git hook. |
| 21:38 | rangi | jcamins: we dont have to, we just do |
| 21:38 | jcamins | rangi: this is good. It makes automating the QA failing easier. :) |
| 21:39 | * wizzyrea | refrains from critiquing your spelling as well. |
| 21:40 | libsysguy | ug |
| 21:40 | * wizzyrea | giggles |
| 21:40 | wizzyrea | libsysguy? |
| 21:40 | wahanui | rumour has it libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck or koha's youngest developer |
| 21:40 | libsysguy | I can't find the site I was looking for |
| 21:40 | wizzyrea have you seem the goosberms meme | |
| 21:40 | wizzyrea | regrettably, no |
| 21:40 | oh wait | |
| 21:40 | yes | |
| 21:41 | http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596527051.do | |
| 21:41 | er no | |
| 21:41 | http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/[…]7cb73_3456208.jpg | |
| 21:41 | yes that | |
| 21:42 | libsysguy | http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ermahgerd |
| 21:42 | jcamins | I do believe... yes, the cat stole my socks. |
| 21:42 | * jcamins | goes to pick up some herbs, flour, and dried grains from the CSA, after reclaiming his socks from the cat. |
| 21:42 | libsysguy | http://ermahgerd.jmillerdesign.com/#!/translate |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | my favorite was the one with Councilor Troi from star trek |
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| 21:55 | rangi | coffee time brb |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | later peps |
| 21:57 | * wizzyrea | is off to fetch the kiddo |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | (yes, you can imagine that as it comes from the wizard of oz. I am a kansan after all) |
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| 22:06 | eythian | I don't think the wizard of oz is set in kansas, toto. |
| 22:16 | * magnuse | wonders why there is no mention of koha-create in "man koha-common" |
| 22:17 | rangi | mistake ? |
| 22:17 | magnuse | most likely |
| 22:17 | eythian | also koha-remove |
| 22:18 | magnuse | and "man koha-foreach" has koha-list in the synopsis... gah! |
| 22:18 | koha-remove seems to actually be in the docbook in master | |
| 22:18 | but not in the man page i'm looking at | |
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| 22:19 | magnuse | man, someone messed up - i wonder who... ;-) |
| 22:20 | eythian | no idea :) |
| 22:21 | magnuse | good :-) |
| 22:24 | * magnuse | wishes everyone a good night or other time of the day |
| 22:24 | rangi | cya magnuse |
| 22:24 | magnuse | have fun rangi |
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| 22:26 | Morthland2 | My OPAC seems to be denying non-local IP addresses |
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