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| 00:03 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 00:04 | melia left #koha | |
| 00:05 | tcohen | hi #koha, where do I set SMTP server using .deb packages? |
| 00:10 | jcamins | tcohen: you can use whichever smtp server you prefer. |
| 00:10 | I prefer postfix. | |
| 00:10 | Strongly. | |
| 00:11 | tcohen | you mean install postfix locally and use it as a smart host? |
| 00:11 | jcamins | Or you can use nullmailer with a smarthost. |
| 00:11 | tcohen | right |
| 00:11 | jcamins | Basically you set up SMTP however you would without the packages. |
| 00:11 | tcohen | I prefer postfix too |
| 00:11 | jcamins | It makes no difference at all. |
| 00:11 | (whether you're using packages or not) | |
| 00:11 | tcohen | as I need to authenticate |
| 00:12 | the SMTP conection to the smart host | |
| 00:12 | * jcamins | would use Postfix. |
| 00:12 | jcamins | But I don't know much about SMTP servers. |
| 00:12 | Nor their configuration. | |
| 00:12 | Actually, you know what I'd do? | |
| 00:12 | I'd copy the configuration from your production server. | |
| 00:12 | Clearly it works. :) | |
| 00:13 | tcohen | :-D |
| 00:13 | this is another client, for which I don't control the rest of the infrastructure | |
| 00:13 | unfortunately | |
| 00:13 | wahanui | i heard unfortunately was is also 11:23pm on Friday where danmc is too ;) |
| 00:13 | jcamins | forget unfortunately |
| 00:13 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot unfortunately |
| 00:14 | tcohen | google: postfix transport authenticate |
| 00:14 | jcamins | tcohen: you're still in your IRC window. |
| 00:14 | :) | |
| 00:15 | tcohen | yeah, noticed :-D |
| 00:17 | Brooke joined #koha | |
| 00:17 | Brooke | o/ |
| 00:18 | jcamins | o/ |
| 00:20 | hankbank joined #koha | |
| 00:21 | tcohen | jcamins: one more question |
| 00:22 | jcamins | Yes? |
| 00:22 | tcohen | cronjobs and .debs |
| 00:22 | what is solved by the daemon and what is not | |
| 00:22 | emails? | |
| 00:22 | wahanui | emails are getting annoying :) |
| 00:22 | jcamins | I don't understand what you mean. |
| 00:23 | E-mail works exactly the same as on a non-package install. | |
| 00:23 | rangi | heya Brooke and tcohen |
| 00:23 | tcohen | on a standard-for-me setup after installing I should set the cornjobs for it |
| 00:23 | is it the same? | |
| 00:23 | for .deb? | |
| 00:24 | Brooke | kia ora rangi |
| 00:24 | i pehea to ra? | |
| 00:24 | tcohen | hi rangi |
| 00:24 | rangi | ahua pai, engari kei te ngenge ahau |
| 00:24 | jcamins | tcohen: the packages set up the cron jobs. |
| 00:24 | You just set up the system. | |
| 00:25 | tcohen | that's what I was asing, thanks! |
| 00:25 | hmm | |
| 00:26 | jcamins | Ah, good. |
| 00:26 | Glad I could help. :) | |
| 00:26 | tcohen | the incremental rebuild and the process_message_queue.pl |
| 00:26 | any other cronjob I need i'll set it by hand | |
| 00:26 | thanks!!! | |
| 00:27 | rangi: I finally did some ETL and got that broken 3.1.X to upgrade to 3.8.3 | |
| 00:27 | rangi | look in cron.d cron.hourly and crond.daily |
| 00:27 | tcohen | and thanks to jcamins, using package |
| 00:27 | rangi | there are koha-common cron jobs in each of them |
| 00:27 | make sure you dont duplicate :) | |
| 00:27 | tcohen: excellent! | |
| 00:29 | tcohen | i'm really happy right now |
| 00:29 | gonna get a pizza and watch some old South Park episodes | |
| 00:29 | bye #koha! | |
| 00:29 | hankbank_ joined #koha | |
| 00:30 | Brooke | see ya |
| 00:31 | * jcamins | goes to eat some dinner. |
| 01:31 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #103 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 01:48 | chris_n | what a ride :P |
| 01:49 | rangi | ? |
| 01:50 | chris_n | bouncing dsl circuit due to severe storms |
| 01:52 | rangi | ahh |
| 01:59 | mtj | any thoughts on this thing? -> http://search.cpan.org/~wonko/[…]51/lib/Smolder.pm |
| 02:00 | rangi | we used to run that |
| 02:01 | its a nightmare to set up run | |
| 02:01 | and does less than jenkins | |
| 02:01 | the remnants of the code is in t | |
| 02:01 | smolder_smoke_signal | |
| 02:01 | etc | |
| 02:02 | mtj | ah, ok - i thought it was familar, and superseded |
| 02:03 | rangi | its a cool idea, but really hard to set up |
| 02:04 | * chris_n | had a hdd smoldering and sending smoke signals yesterday |
| 02:04 | chris_n | does that count? |
| 02:06 | rangi | hehe |
| 02:11 | chris_n | seems that koha-remove should not die if any of the removal commands fail |
| 02:11 | rangi | what version are you using, it has become a lot more robust in later versions |
| 02:12 | but yep, should be a bug report if it dies when it shouldnt | |
| 02:12 | chris_n | the latest |
| 02:12 | wahanui | i guess the latest is 3.6.4 |
| 02:12 | chris_n | no |
| 02:12 | rangi | 3.8.3 ? |
| 02:12 | chris_n | yup |
| 02:12 | rangi | there may be some still waiting signoff/qa |
| 02:12 | chris_n | I created an instance w/the wrong name |
| 02:12 | dropped the db manually | |
| 02:12 | rangi | ah |
| 02:12 | chris_n | and then ran koha-remove foo |
| 02:13 | rangi | hmm yeah that might kill it |
| 02:13 | chris_n | and it bails on finding the db non-existent |
| 02:13 | rangi | thats a tricky one |
| 02:13 | chris_n | it should probably trap the error, notify the user, and keep going |
| 02:13 | rangi | or not |
| 02:13 | if you typoed | |
| 02:13 | chris_n | or perhaps give options |
| 02:13 | rangi | yeah |
| 02:13 | --force | |
| 02:14 | chris_n | as it is, the cleanup has to be done manually |
| 02:14 | rangi | for just continue on |
| 02:14 | chris_n | +1 |
| 02:14 | rangi | you might want to file an enhancement request |
| 02:16 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6416 or add to this? | |
| 02:16 | * jcamins_away | likes the idea of --force |
| 02:17 | rangi | yeah you could do the debian thing too |
| 02:17 | of | |
| 02:17 | are you sure | |
| 02:17 | if someone does --force | |
| 02:17 | chris_n | cool... bug 8500 |
| 02:17 | rangi | excellent :) |
| 02:17 | chris_n | hmm where's munin? |
| 02:17 | wahanui | i think munin is power mad |
| 02:18 | rangi | he and gmcharlt eloped |
| 02:18 | chris_n | lol |
| 02:18 | ouch | |
| 02:18 | Access denied for user 'koha_biblios'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 758. | |
| 02:18 | Irma joined #koha | |
| 02:18 | * chris_n | fixes it |
| 02:22 | chris_n | hmm... the package seems to have done "GRANT USAGE ON *.* TO 'koha_biblios'@'%' IDENTIFIED BY PASSWORD MD5-HASH" |
| 02:22 | % does not seem to work as a wild card | |
| 02:23 | papa joined #koha | |
| 02:23 | jcamins_away | You're on 12.04? |
| 02:23 | (Ubuntu) | |
| 02:23 | There's a patch for that. | |
| 02:24 | chris_n | fixed |
| 02:24 | well | |
| 02:24 | by switching to @'localhost' | |
| 02:27 | missing deps as well? | |
| 02:27 | jcamins_away | For 3.6.x? |
| 02:27 | Shouldn't be. | |
| 02:28 | If there's anything missing, just add the debian.koha-community.org repo to your sources.list | |
| 02:28 | chris_n | 3.8.3 |
| 02:28 | jcamins_away | Ah. |
| 02:28 | Yes. | |
| 02:28 | chris_n | Lingua::Ispell |
| 02:28 | its in the repo | |
| 02:29 | jcamins_away | We use Ispell? |
| 02:29 | Ugh. | |
| 02:30 | chris_n | well |
| 02:30 | webinstaller wants me to upgrade from 3.08.01 to 3.09.00.004 | |
| 02:31 | rangi | thats not right |
| 02:31 | jcamins_away | No, not right at all. |
| 02:32 | rangi | you used squeeze not squeeze-dev eh? |
| 02:32 | can you do apt-cache policy koha-common | |
| 02:32 | chris_n | squeeze main |
| 02:32 | * rangi | checks |
| 02:32 | chris_n | opps |
| 02:32 | my bad | |
| 02:32 | * chris_n | bangs his head on the desk |
| 02:32 | rangi | i heh |
| 02:33 | chris_n | well, maybe I'll do it over again for kicks |
| 02:33 | nothing like practice to help work out the kinks | |
| 02:34 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #103: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/103/ |
| 02:34 | fridolyn.somers: Bug 8476: Little bug in OPAC XSLT on OPACURLOpenInNewWindow | |
| 02:34 | chris_n | and the pay is the same if I take on hour or ten ;-) |
| 02:34 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #104 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 02:47 | chris_n | its alive! |
| 02:48 | rangi | yay! |
| 02:50 | chris_n | koha-remove seemed to behave better this time as well |
| 02:50 | rangi | the package in master is older than in squeeze |
| 02:50 | chris_n | it borked because that instance user was "logged in" |
| 02:50 | but after killing that instance's zebra things went ok | |
| 02:50 | rangi | 004 is a while back |
| 02:51 | koha-disable instance | |
| 02:51 | will stop those zebras :) | |
| 02:51 | chris_n | so why all the complaint about running it on ubuntu precise? |
| 02:51 | :) | |
| 02:51 | rangi | mysql on precise is different |
| 02:51 | chris_n | uh oh |
| 02:51 | rangi | and has anonymous users |
| 02:52 | so had to change how it created users | |
| 02:52 | chris_n | ahh... that was why I had the issue earlier w/the mysql user |
| 02:52 | rangi | yup |
| 02:53 | the packages for 3.8.3 and 3.6.7 deal with that | |
| 02:53 | the older one from master, doesnt | |
| 02:53 | chris_n | so where are the cron jobs setup? |
| 02:54 | rangi | in etc/cron.d |
| 02:54 | cron.hourly | |
| 02:54 | and cron.daily | |
| 02:54 | should be a koha-common file in each of those | |
| 02:55 | you need to remember to do | |
| 02:55 | koha-email-enable instancename .. when you want it to start sending mail | |
| 02:57 | chris_n | k |
| 02:58 | rangi | its very hand to be able to enable and disable mail for an instance |
| 02:59 | means you can have a staging instance that wont accidentally email overdue notices at people | |
| 02:59 | chris_n | so to remove an instance the order is 'koha-disable foo' then 'koha-remove foo'? |
| 03:00 | rangi | its the safest |
| 03:12 | mtj | rangi: sweet lotr quotage in that email too |
| 03:12 | rangi | heh thanks |
| 03:13 | mtj | i'll gonna apply my powerful css skillz, and have a hoon on it |
| 03:13 | rangi | yay! |
| 03:15 | mtompset joined #koha | |
| 03:15 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 03:30 | * chris_n | hits the hay |
| 03:31 | rangi | sleep well chris_n |
| 03:37 | mtompset | Greetings, rangi. I don't understand why Paul was having issues with Ubuntu 12.04 |
| 03:37 | dcook | Nothing like testing a bug fix on the instance that you've already patched *facepalm* |
| 03:37 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #104: SUCCESS in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/104/ |
| 03:37 | dpavlin: Bug 8439 - Printing basketgroup does not work on plack | |
| 03:37 | Starting build #105 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
| 03:55 | mtj | the best way to avoid issues with ubuntu prod servers - is to use debian |
| 03:55 | * mtompset | grins. |
| 03:55 | rangi | hehe |
| 03:55 | mtompset | That's one way. |
| 03:55 | rangi | 3.8.3 and 3.6.7 work well now |
| 03:55 | mtompset | 3.8.3 needs to the external repo, but yes, it works well. |
| 03:56 | mtj | ...since applying said methodology, my problems with ubuntu servers has dropped dramatically |
| 03:57 | rangi | heh |
| 03:58 | mtompset: ubuntu is slow on packaging, they let debian do 99% of it then take it, so once we put the packages into debian unstable (which we have done for a few in the past, (which is how they got into ubuntu 12.04)) they will get into ubuntu | |
| 03:58 | mtj | but yeah, theres some truth to it - ubuntu is basically debian 'testing' |
| 03:58 | rangi | yup |
| 03:59 | mtj | why would any sane person use the debain's 'testing' packages, for production |
| 04:00 | ...when they could choose to you debian's stable packages? | |
| 04:01 | s/you/use/ | |
| 04:03 | or does ubuntu == debian 'unstable' even? | |
| 04:07 | mtompset | Actually, your argument fails for koha related dependencies. ;) |
| 04:08 | rangi | how so? |
| 04:08 | mtompset | If you put what you believe is stable for debian into debian unstable, then ubuntu picks it up... |
| 04:08 | Are those libraries any less stable under Ubuntu than Debian? | |
| 04:09 | rangi | no we put what is unstbale into unstable, the debian developers put it into testing, then into stable |
| 04:09 | mtompset | I can't comment on the rest of the libraries, but for Koha, I would assume that means stability still. |
| 04:09 | Ah. | |
| 04:09 | So koha is using unstable libraries to start with? | |
| 04:09 | rangi | everything goes into unstable first |
| 04:09 | unstable debian packages | |
| 04:10 | ie newly packaged, not tested by all the debian devs, tested by perl users and cpan users yes | |
| 04:11 | mtompset | The location of the library isn't going to change the stability of it. |
| 04:11 | That's my point. | |
| 04:11 | And I believe Koha tests the libraries it uses. | |
| 04:12 | mtj | mtompset, my debian koha is using deb-stable packages - your ubuntu koha is using debian *testing* packages |
| 04:12 | rangi | yes it is |
| 04:12 | look at it this way | |
| 04:12 | mtj | get it? |
| 04:12 | mtompset | but the debian stable and the debian testing aren't different, unless there were patches. |
| 04:13 | rangi | something in debian stable, is under the care of cpan developers, the debian developers and the debian security team |
| 04:13 | stuff in the multiverse/universe (which is where they live in ubuntu) | |
| 04:13 | not so much, hopefully they keep up to date with debian, but they arent in ubuntu core | |
| 04:14 | this a major difference that people dont seem to understand between ubuntu and debian | |
| 04:15 | stuff in the universe, is not ubuntu supported | |
| 04:15 | mtj | mtompset: the packages *are* different between stable, testing and unstable |
| 04:15 | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/mysql-server | |
| 04:15 | http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/mysql-server | |
| 04:15 | see...? | |
| 04:15 | Package: mysql-server (5.1.63-0+squeeze1) [security] | |
| 04:15 | Package: mysql-server (5.5.24+dfsg-4) | |
| 04:16 | mtompset | squeeze and wheezy are the same debian distribution? |
| 04:16 | rangi | squeeze is stable |
| 04:16 | wheezy is testing | |
| 04:16 | will be the next stable | |
| 04:16 | unstable is sid | |
| 04:17 | it's always sid | |
| 04:17 | mtj | aaah, i understand now...! |
| 04:17 | rangi | there's experimental too |
| 04:17 | mtompset | let's not go experimental. ;) |
| 04:18 | So is wheezy testing forward or backward? | |
| 04:19 | mtj | mtompset: so knowing what you know now.... my argument does not fail for koha related dependencies ;) |
| 04:20 | mtompset | depends... is wheezy testing forward or backwards? |
| 04:20 | is wheezy like 3.9.X? | |
| 04:20 | rangi | yes |
| 04:20 | mtompset | and squeeze like 3.8.X? |
| 04:20 | rangi | yes |
| 04:21 | squeeze is stable | |
| 04:21 | cait joined #koha | |
| 04:21 | rangi | wheezy is frozen now |
| 04:21 | mtompset | So, then it is testing FORWARD. |
| 04:21 | Which means Ubuntu is leading bleeding edge. | |
| 04:21 | rangi | yes but that has no bearing on anything |
| 04:21 | yes | |
| 04:22 | thats the whole point of ubuntu | |
| 04:22 | to change faster than debian | |
| 04:22 | mtompset | Okay, I can see some validity to the argument then. |
| 04:22 | rangi | but thats not my point |
| 04:23 | and not why i dont use it | |
| 04:23 | i dont use it because i dont have time to track the packages in universe myself | |
| 04:23 | im happy knowing the debian security team are doing it for me | |
| 04:23 | mtompset | Right. |
| 04:24 | mtj | mtompset: chris is giving you some very wise advice here... listen up |
| 04:25 | rangi | not nessecarily wise, just im lazy, life is too short to have to read all the security stuff myself, altho i do follow the debian security list |
| 04:25 | however | |
| 04:25 | mtompset | Well, it does help explain why Koha is Debianist. |
| 04:25 | rangi | even stuff from ubuntu universe |
| 04:26 | is a zillion times better than doing a | |
| 04:26 | install from tar, or from cpan without doing dh-make-perl | |
| 04:26 | because those installs will never get updated unless you manually do them all | |
| 04:28 | * mtompset | nods. |
| 04:28 | ibeardslee | The critical part is the notification that there is an update needed |
| 04:28 | mtompset | dh-make-perl? |
| 04:28 | wahanui | somebody said dh-make-perl was another thing to install, I think. |
| 04:29 | rangi | dh-make-perl is a cool tool (from debian) that will create a debian package (works with ubuntu or mint or any of the .deb base distro too) that makes a debian package of perl module |
| 04:29 | thats how eythian (and liw) packaged the modules from cpan, to start them on their journey to getting into debian proper | |
| 04:30 | at least if you do that, and it ends up in a repo, it will upgrade | |
| 04:30 | if you install from tar | |
| 04:30 | then later it is in the repo | |
| 04:30 | and you apt-get it on | |
| 04:30 | the old one from tar will still take precedence | |
| 04:30 | more annoyingly if the perl version changes | |
| 04:30 | mtompset | and there's no easy way to uninstall them. |
| 04:31 | rangi | they dont upgrade too |
| 04:31 | basically packages rule is the short end of this rant hehe | |
| 04:31 | mtompset | because you can't install the apt-get version. |
| 04:31 | rangi | hm? |
| 04:31 | you can install, its just its going to be further down the inc path | |
| 04:32 | the one in /usr/local/perl that tarball did will win | |
| 04:32 | mtompset | oh... |
| 04:32 | okay. | |
| 04:33 | mtj | ...from the horses mouth |
| 04:36 | * cait | waves |
| 04:38 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #105: SUCCESS in 1 hr 1 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/105/ |
| 04:38 | * kyle.m.hall: Bug 3701 : BugFix - ReturnToShelvingCart | |
| 04:38 | * dcook: Bug 8448 - Holds Awaiting Pickup : Cancelling a hold on a waiting item with multiple holds displays a blank screen instead of a warning prompt | |
| 04:38 | * dcook: Bug 8414 - Intranet header toplinks display white rather than blue in < IE8 | |
| 04:38 | * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8440: Dates do not appear in suggestions management | |
| 04:39 | dcook | Yay! |
| 04:41 | rangi | http://jenkins.koha-community.org/cigame/? |
| 04:42 | mtompset | What's the cigame? |
| 04:42 | cigame? | |
| 04:43 | rangi | continuous integration game |
| 04:43 | mtompset | integration? |
| 04:44 | rangi | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]nuous_integration |
| 04:44 | mtj | continuous? |
| 04:45 | rangi | http://jenkins.koha-community.org/ we test all the branches of the repo everytime they change |
| 04:45 | muzu joined #koha | |
| 04:50 | dcook | Cool beans |
| 04:50 | rangi | +1 for a succesful build |
| 04:51 | +1 for every new test, or a test thag goes from fail to passing | |
| 04:51 | muzu | hi |
| 04:51 | rangi | -1 for a failing test |
| 04:51 | -10 for breaking the build | |
| 04:51 | is how it works :) | |
| 04:51 | write some unit tests, win a prize | |
| 04:51 | (the prize is just me sending you an email probably) | |
| 04:51 | mtompset | sample unit tests? |
| 04:51 | muzu | I want to upgrade my koha 3.2 to 3.8.any tutorial for this. |
| 04:52 | rangi | look in t/ mtompset |
| 04:52 | t/Boolean.t | |
| 04:52 | is a simple one to understand | |
| 04:53 | http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ter/HTML_Report/? <-- here you can see where we need better coverage | |
| 04:53 | Boolean has 100% tho .. yay !! | |
| 04:53 | http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]4-Boolean-pm.html | |
| 04:53 | mtompset | Actually... one confusion point./ |
| 04:53 | cait | what is Boolean used for? |
| 04:54 | mtompset | what is use Test::More tests => 13; |
| 04:54 | Why 13? | |
| 04:54 | rangi | thats how many tests you plan to run |
| 04:54 | man Test::More | |
| 04:55 | muzu | any help for upgrade. |
| 04:55 | mtompset | is use_ok() the first test? |
| 04:55 | rangi | mtompset: yes |
| 04:56 | mtompset: http://search.cpan.org/~mschwe[…]/lib/Test/More.pm | |
| 04:56 | mtompset | I knew how to find that, rangi. ;) |
| 04:56 | rangi | just was wondering why you hadn't :P |
| 04:57 | mtompset | Because I thought the 13 was a typo. |
| 04:57 | rangi | muzu: there isn't one for 3.2 to 3.8 that i know of |
| 04:57 | mtompset | But could he upgrade from 3.2 to .... 3.4 and then 3.8? |
| 04:58 | muzu | ok,tell me for that |
| 04:58 | rangi | i would do a 3.8.3 install from the debian packages on a new server, load the database in, run koha-upgrade-schema, then run koha-upgrade-to-3.4 to fix the items in marc |
| 04:58 | then koha-rebuild-zebra -f | |
| 04:59 | that's what I would do anyway | |
| 04:59 | right bus time | |
| 04:59 | be back later maybe | |
| 04:59 | muzu | i am running in ubuntu machine. |
| 04:59 | dcook | ta ta rangi |
| 04:59 | mtompset | See you, rangi |
| 05:01 | do you have to be on Ubuntu? | |
| 05:01 | Oh, your 3.2 is Ubuntu. | |
| 05:01 | muzu | ya |
| 05:02 | mtompset | can you get down time? and do you have a full backup? :) |
| 05:02 | muzu | ya i have. |
| 05:02 | mtompset | so if you format'd the drive, you could have your machine restored easily? |
| 05:03 | (I'm not saying to do that!) | |
| 05:03 | muzu | ya. |
| 05:04 | i can restore. | |
| 05:04 | mtompset | okay, since you have an external backup. |
| 05:04 | muzu | ya |
| 05:05 | mtompset | Why not do a mysqldump of your current 3.2 database, copy it externally, and then redo the machine as debian, following Rangi's suggestion? |
| 05:06 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze | |
| 05:06 | If it fails miserably, restore from backup, and no data lost. | |
| 05:07 | This all depends on you having a good backup! | |
| 05:08 | muzu | i have done it.while restore data in 3.8 its gives some error.some privacy error and even its gives error while checkin and checkout. |
| 05:08 | mtompset | Are you running Ubuntu still? |
| 05:09 | muzu | no in debain. |
| 05:09 | mtompset | No... did you run the scripts that Rangi mentioned in the way he suggested?\ |
| 05:09 | Oops... Now... | |
| 05:10 | muzu | can you tell me script. |
| 05:10 | wahanui | it has been said that script is here, take it, pretty it up, use it ;) |
| 05:10 | mtompset | rangi said: i would do a 3.8.3 install from the debian packages on a new server, load the database in, run koha-upgrade-schema, then run koha-upgrade-to-3.4 to fix the items in marc |
| 05:10 | So you said you were running debian. | |
| 05:11 | did you install 3.8.3 packages? | |
| 05:15 | muzu | first i have tried in debian system.But its gives error which i have mentioned.now i have freshly installed 3.8.3 in ubuntu and i have restored database.is there any thing i have to do after this. |
| 05:15 | mtompset | because you didn't run the scripts rangi mentioned. |
| 05:16 | Anyways, I have some work to get back to. Sorry that I can't help you more. | |
| 05:16 | muzu | no,can you tell me the script please. |
| 05:17 | ok,thanks for your help | |
| 05:19 | mtompset | koha-upgrade-schema.pl |
| 05:19 | koha-upgrade-to-3.4.pl | |
| 05:19 | they are debian-based scripts | |
| 05:19 | muzu | ok let me try in debian. |
| 05:20 | mtompset | if you didn't install on debian in the way suggested by http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze |
| 05:20 | then you will have figure out how they work to do it under Ubuntu. | |
| 05:23 | Oops.. no .pl | |
| 05:23 | .../debian/scripts/... | |
| 05:25 | rangi | They only work if you installed using the packages doesn't matter if it was on debian or ubuntu |
| 05:25 | mtompset | the thing that may need tweaking is KOHA_CONF's path in upgrade-schema |
| 05:25 | rangi | No |
| 05:25 | Don't tweak anything | |
| 05:25 | mtompset | if you used pacakges, no need to tweak. |
| 05:26 | I didn't, so I would have to. :) | |
| 05:26 | rangi | If you didn't install via packages don't use them |
| 05:26 | mtompset | Right. :) |
| 05:27 | rangi | Run the web installer to upgrade |
| 05:27 | Then run the script it tells you to in the upgrade section of INSTALL | |
| 05:28 | Can't find the name from my phone | |
| 05:28 | Remove items from Marc | |
| 05:28 | mtompset | misc/maintenance/remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl --run |
| 05:28 | misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r | |
| 05:29 | rangi | That's right |
| 05:29 | wahanui | I know. |
| 05:45 | muzu | @mtompset,i am getting this message "misc/maintenance/remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl --run" if i run this script misc/maintenance/remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl --run |
| 05:45 | sorry | |
| 05:46 | @mtompset,i am getting this message " Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at C4/Biblio.pm line 2926. " if i run this script misc/maintenance/remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl --run | |
| 05:48 | mtompset | I don't know what to do. |
| 05:48 | I've never used the script. | |
| 05:48 | Sorry. | |
| 05:48 | muzu | ok no probs |
| 05:49 | dcook | 16:50* oleonardmutters, 'what do you mean there's already a Han Solo registered?' |
| 05:49 | love it | |
| 06:15 | * dcook | wants to poke IE < 9 in the eyes |
| 06:16 | mtompset | Sorry, but many people are using IE8, because XP doesn't go higher. |
| 06:16 | cait | dcook: it would deserve it, I am sure |
| 06:16 | dcook | Really, mtompset? |
| 06:16 | I'm intrigued | |
| 06:16 | Agreed, cait :) | |
| 06:16 | alex_a | bonjour #koha |
| 06:17 | dcook | bonjour, alex_a |
| 06:17 | mtompset | MS has a way of doing that, making their old OS not go up more than 1 version of IE. |
| 06:17 | dcook | If you are inputting a new patron and you have errors, IE < 9 will create the patron anyway. So when you resolve the errors, it detects a duplicate... |
| 06:18 | mtompset | Sounds like an ajax/jquery problem. |
| 06:18 | because good old CGI validation would never fail regardless of browser. ;) | |
| 06:18 | cait | dcook: put in a bug for that? |
| 06:18 | mtompset | I think he is already working on a bug. |
| 06:19 | bonjour, alex_a. :) | |
| 06:19 | dcook | cait: I think we fixed it in 3.2, so now it's just a matter of figuring out the fix again and making sure to mention it in bugzilla too, of course :) |
| 06:20 | cait | :) |
| 06:20 | dcook | We put up our first 3.8 library today, so hopefully I should have time (between immediate bug fixes) to start seriously feeding things back into the community |
| 06:20 | :) | |
| 06:20 | mtompset | I was wondering... |
| 06:21 | the debian packages really simplify setting up multiple koha sites. | |
| 06:21 | Why? | |
| 06:21 | Why set up multiple koha sites on the same machine? | |
| 06:23 | dcook | O_o |
| 06:23 | rangi | Why not |
| 06:23 | dcook | I don't do much server administration, but I would say - virtual hosting, no? |
| 06:23 | mtompset | That's the only reason I can really think of, dcook. |
| 06:24 | just a second... | |
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| 06:25 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:26 | dcook | allo reiveune |
| 06:27 | reiveune | bonjour dcook :) |
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| 06:28 | julian_m | hello |
| 06:28 | wahanui | hey, julian_m |
| 06:29 | mtompset | Next bizarre thought... |
| 06:29 | Let's say I set up multiple kohas on the same machine. | |
| 06:29 | Can I get them to use the same DB? or is that a bad idea TM? | |
| 06:30 | magnuse | they would hardly be multiple kohas if they had the same db... ;-) |
| 06:30 | dcook | agreed |
| 06:30 | magnuse | but they could use the same installation of mysql, of course |
| 06:30 | dcook | Yeah, same mysql install, just different schemas |
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| 06:42 | francharb | morning |
| 06:43 | dcook | bon matin, francharb |
| 06:44 | mtompset | That's why the thought was bizarre... unfiltered. :) |
| 06:45 | dcook | :P |
| 06:47 | I think I might have to pass on this IE bug...I can't even find the 3.2 fix, although the behaviour is a bit better | |
| 06:48 | Either IE should cease to exist or people should never make errors when making a new patron :p | |
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| 07:01 | kf | good morning #koha |
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| 07:10 | asaurat | hi |
| 07:12 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:13 | kf | hi asaurat and magnuse :) |
| 07:13 | magnuse | guten morgen kf |
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| 07:14 | gaetan_B | hello ! |
| 07:20 | kf | bonjour gaetan_B :) |
| 07:21 | gaetan_B | guten morgen kf ! |
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| 08:33 | mveron | Hi #koha |
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| 08:41 | rangi | evening |
| 08:42 | eythian | howdy |
| 08:42 | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1089782 <-- some first-class trolling going on here | |
| 08:43 | mtompset | Oh my evilness! |
| 08:43 | That is messed up. | |
| 08:47 | "Nowhere does the Ubuntu site promise that Ubuntu is a Magic Friendly Jesus Happy Fuzzy Bunny operating system." | |
| 08:48 | Neither does FreeBSD whose mascot is a little devil. ;) | |
| 08:49 | * dcook | is amazed that people kept posting to the thread |
| 08:50 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #791 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 20 days ago) |
| 08:51 | rangi | people are eggs |
| 08:51 | kf | sometimes |
| 08:51 | evening rangi | |
| 08:52 | mtompset | And there's the FreeBSD reference. ... Interesting waste of time to read. :) |
| 08:55 | Ahh... CE is the "Christian Edition". That's dumb. Is there a "Free Willy" edition too? How many variants do we need?! | |
| 08:55 | rangi | its probably best if people leave their prejudices out of the channel |
| 08:55 | * dcook | agrees and returns to his homework |
| 08:56 | mtompset | I was saying having so many variants was dumb. |
| 08:56 | I wasn't making a religious comment. Apologies where applicable. | |
| 09:06 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #106 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 09:13 | mtompset | PureOS Based on Debian Testing. -- In reference to former discussion which basically suggested Ubuntu runs off debian testing. |
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| 09:18 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 09:18 | rangi | hi drojf |
| 09:19 | drojf | the guy with the old "koha on ubuntu" blog answered |
| 09:19 | I'd be happy to post a notice. Do you know of a similar (but updated) tutorial I can redirect people to? If possible I'd rather not just give people a warning without giving them an alternative. | |
| 09:19 | i'll point him to the koha on ubuntu-wikipage?! | |
| 09:19 | eythian | yeah, that'd be the best idea |
| 09:19 | rangi | yeah |
| 09:19 | eythian | also easier to keep it up to date |
| 09:19 | drojf | it has a link to packages and all |
| 09:19 | yup | |
| 09:20 | mtompset | I was looking at installation instructions on the wiki. |
| 09:20 | I think there is a lot of clean up that could be done. | |
| 09:21 | Sadly, I don't have all the time in the world to do it. | |
| 09:21 | Because the koha-common package method of installing is still going to be the same regardless of OS (debian, ubuntu, etc.) | |
| 09:23 | what do I install? | |
| 09:23 | what install do I use? | |
| 09:23 | * mtompset | forgot the phrase we added last night. |
| 09:23 | mtompset | what install to use? |
| 09:23 | irc logs | |
| 09:23 | wahanui | irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 09:27 | mtompset | which install do I use? |
| 09:27 | * mtompset | frowns. I guess wahanui forgot it. |
| 09:27 | mtompset | which install to use? |
| 09:27 | wahanui | If you're developing, you should use git. If you're not developing on a deb-based system, you should use packages. If you're not developing on a different flavour of Linux, you should use the tarball. |
| 09:27 | mtompset | There we go. |
| 09:28 | We don't have a page which says something like this, and redirects accordingly. | |
| 09:34 | I was just realizing, you can do a standard or site install off of a git clone. | |
| 09:35 | Would you want to? | |
| 09:57 | drojf | seems like there is a playboy model called oksana koha |
| 10:07 | mtompset | Latvia 2011 -- if google's first link is right. |
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| 10:44 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #791: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/791/ |
| 10:44 | * jonathan.druart: Bug 7302: Export basketgroup as CSV | |
| 10:44 | * jonathan.druart: Bug 7302: Followup: rename "Client number" column with "Account number" | |
| 10:44 | * paul.poulain: Bug 7302 tiny follow-up removing </td><td> | |
| 10:58 | drojf | off to the library, bye #koha |
| 10:59 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #106: SUCCESS in 1 hr 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/106/ |
| 10:59 | ruth: Bug 8392: Category age ranges not being enforced | |
| 10:59 | Starting build #107 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
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| 11:13 | mtompset | why is the build called unstable? |
| 11:14 | kf | failing tests |
| 11:15 | and one was master, one 3.8.x | |
| 11:15 | http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]r/791/testReport/ | |
| 11:26 | jcamins | eythian_train: how do you use POD to generate a shorter help and a longer help? |
| 11:27 | eythian_train | Have a look at my csvtomarc script, I think it does it. |
| 11:27 | It's just an option to podusage | |
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| 11:28 | jcamins | Ah, nifty. |
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| 11:29 | mtompset | Greetings, jcamins and oleonard |
| 11:29 | kf | hi jcamins |
| 11:29 | hi oleonard .) | |
| 11:32 | oleonard | Hi |
| 11:32 | mtompset | I was just web surfing for you jcamins. |
| 11:32 | Nice website. | |
| 11:33 | oleonard | We don't call that web surfing, we call that Google-stalking ;) |
| 11:33 | mtompset | Well, it started on facebook, to see if he was there. :P |
| 11:34 | jcamins | We call that general stalking, then. :P |
| 11:34 | Thanks. | |
| 11:34 | (re: the nice website) | |
| 11:35 | mtompset | It's only stalking if you do it every day. :P |
| 11:35 | Doing it one day doesn't count as stalking. | |
| 11:37 | Is anyone else here on facebook? | |
| 11:38 | oleonard | the first rule of facebook... |
| 11:38 | mtompset | hide yourself from public searches? |
| 11:39 | Don't friend your employers? | |
| 11:39 | Don't use it? | |
| 11:40 | jcamins | All of the above, I think. |
| 11:41 | * mtompset | grins. |
| 11:45 | mtompset | I was looking at the git.koha-community.org web page. Is there really a 3.0.x repository still? |
| 11:46 | jcamins | Everything is in git. |
| 11:46 | Back to 2.0, at least. | |
| 11:47 | (I think 1.x is in a different repo) | |
| 11:49 | kf | git++ |
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| 11:49 | mtompset | Okay. so everything in .tar.gz, everything in git.. only oldstable, squeeze, and squeeze-dev? |
| 11:50 | kf | packes only date back last 3 stable versions I think |
| 11:50 | hm no | |
| 11:50 | 3 | |
| 11:50 | gr. 2. | |
| 11:50 | 3.8 and 3.6 currently, that right jcamins? | |
| 11:51 | jcamins | That's correct. |
| 11:51 | mtompset | oldstable = 3.6, squeeze = 3.8, squeeze-dev = 3.9 |
| 11:51 | kf | matts: which is fridolyn's nick? |
| 11:51 | matts | kf, <frido_s> |
| 11:51 | kf | frido_s++ :) |
| 11:51 | mtompset | Come november... oldstable = 3.8, squeeze (if debian hasn't released) = 3.10, squeeze-dev = 3.11 |
| 11:52 | kf | matts: does he work in marseille? or from elsewhere? |
| 11:52 | matts | I guess right now he must be at home |
| 11:53 | But he also does work in marseille from time to time | |
| 11:53 | kf | complicated :) |
| 11:56 | matts | From an Internet perspective, it does not really matter, does it ? |
| 11:57 | kf | no, not really :) |
| 11:57 | oleonard | It does if paul_p is bringing cheese to share for lunch :P |
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| 12:02 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #107: SUCCESS in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/107/ |
| 12:02 | * f.demians: Bug 8392: Avoid having an untranslatable age range | |
| 12:02 | * m.de.rooy: Bug 8062 Followup for HTML::FormatText | |
| 12:02 | * magnus: Bug 7367 - One "the" too many | |
| 12:02 | * dcook: Bug 8434 - Notice generation fails for Advanced Notices, Item Due, and Overdues when run in shell (due to error in Letters.pm) | |
| 12:05 | magnuse | \o/ |
| 12:05 | mtompset | What's the cheering for, magnuse? |
| 12:05 | Or is that a wave? | |
| 12:05 | magnuse | a successfull build of 3.8.x :-) |
| 12:05 | a cheer (at least this time) | |
| 12:06 | mtompset | Have you been working on it? |
| 12:06 | BTW, I'm about to work on getting the ubunu-pkg-check.sh script into master shortly, jcamins | |
| 12:07 | I was also thinking about my bash-script check_deps.sh | |
| 12:08 | eythian_train | You can see his name right there. |
| 12:08 | mtompset | Well, the chopped 'e' confused me for a bit, but you are right. :) |
| 12:09 | Congrats, magnuse. :) | |
| 12:09 | * mtompset | cheers for coding victories. :) |
| 12:10 | mtompset | I was thinking perhaps modifying it to BUILD the ubuntu.{version}.packages files. |
| 12:10 | magnuse | nah, my cheer was more of a general nature :-) |
| 12:10 | jcamins | mtompset: that would be nice. |
| 12:10 | oleonard | If Bug 8501 is a duplicate of an invalid bug why is there a patch for it on the patches list? |
| 12:10 | magnuse | but thanks anyway (my patch was just fixing a typo) |
| 12:12 | eythian_train | Trainternets are being annoyingly problematic. |
| 12:12 | mtompset | and... in a nice non-OS specific way, debian.{version}.packages as well. :) |
| 12:12 | lsb_release -i | |
| 12:12 | I think that returns Debian. :) | |
| 12:13 | It returns Ubuntu under ubuntu. :) | |
| 12:13 | jcamins | Yup. Distributor ID: Debian |
| 12:14 | magnuse | eythian_train: where are you headed? |
| 12:14 | * mtompset | 's eyes sparkle with coding joy. |
| 12:16 | eythian_train | magnuse: Marseille to Breda for a long weekend |
| 12:17 | oleonard | How nice. How long is the trip? |
| 12:17 | magnuse | eythian_train: w00t! have fun! |
| 12:18 | eythian_train | oleonard: about 8 hours |
| 12:18 | But, first class makes that okay. | |
| 12:21 | magnuse | ooh |
| 12:24 | paul_p | kf = fridolyn is working from home. But as he lives 2hours from Marseille by train, he will come here sometimes. |
| 12:30 | kf | paul_p: ah nice - only wanted to give him karma - for bug fixing :) |
| 12:30 | eythian_train | Hrm, so checkout history sorts by surname now, not due date. And clicking the header on due date doesn't work because they're not really lexographically sortable. |
| 12:31 | kf | eythian_train: I think you can make it work somehow the date sorting |
| 12:31 | I think it's working on another of the tables. hm. | |
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| 12:32 | kf | wb eythian |
| 12:33 | chris_n | off topic, but is anyone with bind9 experience on board? |
| 12:33 | mtompset | Not I. |
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| 12:34 | jcamins | chris_n: I know that I hate managing DNS servers. |
| 12:34 | chris_n | lol |
| 12:35 | jcamins: do you know if it is possible to restore a zone file from the journal file? | |
| 12:35 | * chris_n | fears not since the oracle @ google knows not how |
| 12:36 | jcamins | Ummm... that sounds horrifying. |
| 12:36 | chris_n | yes, and then some |
| 12:37 | tcohen | what FS? |
| 12:38 | chris_n | ext4 |
| 12:39 | jcamins: as horrifying as accidentally adding your gelatin mixture to your icecream base after the base has cooled | |
| 12:39 | jcamins | Wow, that is horrifying! |
| 12:39 | eythian_train | I assume you backed up your ice cream? |
| 12:39 | chris_n | the results are a non-palatable sort-of gummy mixture |
| 12:40 | eythian_train: sort of... just run it through a strainer, re-heat, and try again :-) | |
| 12:40 | eythian_train | That's probably how you recover a bind file from the journal, too. |
| 12:41 | * chris_n | succumbs to the fact that one large dns zone is history |
| 12:41 | jcamins | Signed off on bug 8233. |
| 12:41 | chris_n | eythian_train: lol |
| 12:41 | jcamins | paul_p: that would be a good one to push right away. People would be more likely to test and sign off if they could actually run tests. |
| 12:57 | mtompset | jcamins, do you think GD is only to be the only confusing mess for my check_deps.sh script? |
| 12:58 | (on a forward basis) | |
| 13:00 | Do you think I should I intentionally check /etc/apt/sources.list.d for a file with koha-community repositories? | |
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| 13:08 | jcamins | mtompset: for right now GD is the only one that might run into problems. I could imagine that other packages might have issues too. |
| 13:09 | mtompset | I'd code an exception for it. |
| 13:15 | jcamins | marcelr++ # for remarkable patience |
| 13:18 | mtompset | over a particular patch and testing? |
| 13:19 | jcamins | Yeah, bug 7167. It's a great patch, but huuuuge. |
| 13:26 | mtompset | It's full of stars! |
| 13:28 | francharb | has anyone ever used the items.uri field? |
| 13:29 | I linked it to one unimarc item subfield | |
| 13:29 | and I can't use it | |
| 13:29 | I can't fill it up | |
| 13:29 | (if it makes sense...) | |
| 13:29 | :) | |
| 13:30 | oleonard | francharb: Sounds like something which might have been used/planned for use before we pulled URL information directly from the MARC record? I'm just guessing. |
| 13:30 | francharb | oleonard, maybe |
| 13:30 | but I remerber than in 3.0 | |
| 13:30 | we could use it | |
| 13:31 | to display any url from for a specific item | |
| 13:31 | oleonard | Oh, well I don't know then |
| 13:33 | francharb | once upon a time, when bugzilla was hosted on koha.org server, there were a bug reported (apparently) by nahuel about that... |
| 13:33 | http://markmail.org/message/acaqbyjstvx26rix | |
| 13:33 | oleonard | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3267 |
| 13:33 | jcamins | francharb: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3267 |
| 13:33 | francharb | thank you the internet for reminding me that it works (or doesn't) one day.. |
| 13:34 | ahah, jcamins, thank you! | |
| 13:34 | jcamins | But there is no indication of exactly what it was supposed to do, just a patch adding a column to a table. |
| 13:35 | * oleonard | was just about to ask nengard a question... |
| 13:35 | oleonard | wizzyrea around yet? |
| 13:36 | francharb | it's the equivalent of what we have on the staff side on the analytic view |
| 13:36 | the "used in" link | |
| 13:36 | for every items linked to biblios | |
| 13:37 | jcamins | francharb: really? |
| 13:37 | francharb: uri is from 3.0, and the "Used in" column was added in 3.8. | |
| 13:37 | francharb | in 3.0, we could use the items.uri to put "http://your_koha.com/search?q=itemnumber" |
| 13:37 | jcamins | I think they are completely different. |
| 13:37 | Ohhh. | |
| 13:37 | francharb | and a link will be display |
| 13:37 | jcamins | I see. It's a way to manually link things. |
| 13:37 | francharb | yep janPasi_ |
| 13:37 | oups | |
| 13:37 | yep jcamins | |
| 13:37 | ;) | |
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| 13:41 | oleonard | nengard, do you have a moment for a question? |
| 13:41 | nengard | yes |
| 13:42 | oleonard | What do you think are the highlights of 3.8.x for libraries who are upgrading? What have you found are the things folks take notice of? |
| 13:42 | Working with master every day makes me out of touch with what the differences are :| | |
| 13:43 | And if that's too broad a question, just say so | |
| 13:43 | nengard | star ratings, holds suspension, new staff client styles, local cover images, advanced search limits by shelving location and ccode and itype (if you want want all three) |
| 13:43 | oh | |
| 13:43 | hourly loans :) | |
| 13:43 | and floating collections | |
| 13:45 | oleonard | Thanks. Every time we upgrade I'm surprised at the things my staff notice are different. They think I'm just uncommunicative ;) |
| 13:45 | * oleonard | told them about nengard's intro to 3.8 webinars but doubts any of them signed up |
| 13:46 | nengard | well did oyu tell them to attend the trainings that your amazing support provider was offering them?? |
| 13:46 | oh! | |
| 13:46 | JINX | |
| 13:46 | hehe | |
| 13:46 | oleonard | Everyone here thinks they don't have time for anything besides rushing around like they have no time. |
| 13:47 | Maybe that's the same everywhere. | |
| 13:47 | mtompset | I think so. |
| 13:47 | nengard | i've been in a library like that begore |
| 13:47 | before | |
| 13:47 | drives me nuts | |
| 13:47 | if i have time to do all that i do then you have time to attend my short little webinar | |
| 13:47 | it will save you time later to learn how to use it now | |
| 13:47 | mtompset | What is eythian?'s name? I want to give him some credit in the script I'm working on. |
| 13:48 | jcamins | Robin. |
| 13:48 | francharb | mtompset, Robin Sheat |
| 13:49 | mtompset | Thank you. |
| 13:49 | This is for the check_deps.sh script, jcamins | |
| 13:49 | jcamins | :) |
| 13:50 | mtompset | should I make $DEBUG a parameter on the command-line? |
| 13:50 | full vs. what's not there. | |
| 13:50 | jcamins | Yes. |
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| 13:53 | tcohen | jcamins, mtompset i've sent an email to koha-devel |
| 13:53 | let me know if is not readable please :-D | |
| 13:53 | jcamins | tcohen: no, it makes a great deal of sense to me. |
| 13:53 | tcohen | thx |
| 13:54 | mtompset | Particularly if it is supposed to be the recommended way. |
| 13:54 | jcamins | I don't know that it's the recommended way. It's the way I prefer. |
| 13:55 | But my daemon needs revision before it would be suitable for inclusion in Koha. | |
| 13:55 | * mtompset | claps his hands, "So chop! chop!" |
| 13:55 | grins. | |
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| 14:00 | kf | wb eythian_train :) |
| 14:01 | eythian_train | Trainternets are really not great. |
| 14:02 | oleonard | Yeah, but INTERNET ON THE TRAIN. So yay. |
| 14:05 | kf | eythian_train: I know your pain |
| 14:06 | * wizzyrea | waves hello |
| 14:06 | kf | oleonard: it's not for free if you were hoping that (at least not in germany) |
| 14:06 | wizzyrea | but… INTERNET ON THE TRAIN. |
| 14:06 | though I suppose it's maybe not as good as say, a mobile hot spot? | |
| 14:07 | kf | wizzyrea: only on the fast trains and mostly too expensive - I end up using the phone or umts with laptop |
| 14:07 | eythian_train | oleonard: well, I'm just tethering, so not as exciting as it could be. |
| 14:07 | TGV doesn't have its own Internet yet. | |
| 14:08 | wizzyrea | ah so |
| 14:08 | kf | there was free wlan on the austrian railjet lately... only it didn't like my laptop somehow |
| 14:11 | wizzyrea: cookiesß | |
| 14:11 | ? | |
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| 14:11 | jcamins | Mmm, cookies! |
| 14:12 | mezwor | Hello all , Can I install Koha in virtual Machine for production use |
| 14:13 | 3please help, Can I install Koha in virtual Machine for production use | |
| 14:14 | oleonard | mezwor: You're asking for free help, so please be patient in waiting for a reply |
| 14:15 | I'm not an expert, but I'm guessing the answer is "You could, but everything is going to run much slower" | |
| 14:15 | kf | hm not necessarily I think |
| 14:15 | but depends on the hardware probably? | |
| 14:15 | mezwor | 3Some people say it won't work at all for production only testing |
| 14:15 | paul_p | mezwor = and asking privately to each of us is not the best way to have an answer |
| 14:16 | reiveune | paul_p: ++ |
| 14:16 | paul_p | mezwor = hey ! all our hosted customers are on a VM, so, fortunately it works ;-) |
| 14:16 | jcamins | Black text is fine. There is no reason not to use a VM for production, if it will be low-use. |
| 14:16 | mezwor | 3okay paul, sorry for the inconvenience |
| 14:16 | kf | paul_p, mezwor: same for us |
| 14:17 | oleonard | mezwor: Perhaps you should define what you mean by "in a virtual machine." Is this on a server or on a desktop? |
| 14:17 | mezwor | 3On server |
| 14:17 | eythian_train | Cookiesss? |
| 14:17 | Is that like gollum cookies? | |
| 14:17 | * oleonard | knows people look at running a VM because they can't bear to dump Windows |
| 14:18 | was thinking of it from that point of view | |
| 14:18 | jcamins | mezwor: no reason not to use a VM, just make sure it has enough resources. |
| 14:18 | mezwor | 3I mean I am not expert in VM and Koha doesn't put any specific requirement working VM |
| 14:19 | 3I want to make sure if it is safe | |
| 14:19 | kf | eythian_train: I typoed with a german szett ß -apparently your client is clever enough to make that ss |
| 14:19 | wizzyrea | yum cookies |
| 14:19 | eythian_train | All ours are on VMs too, but kvm or xen. |
| 14:19 | jcamins | mezwor: it will be fine. Just make sure there's plenty of RAM and disk space, and it's a recent-ish server. |
| 14:20 | kf | marcelr++ |
| 14:20 | jcamins | Mostly people use kvm or xen. |
| 14:21 | mezwor | 3How about if the host OS is windows? |
| 14:21 | jcamins | mezwor: I suppose it would be possible, but I don't know of anyone who uses Windows as a host for VMs. |
| 14:22 | Unless that's what VMWare is? | |
| 14:22 | mezwor | 3Ya VMWare |
| 14:22 | * mtompset | waves. |
| 14:22 | mtompset | I personally do for my git development. :) |
| 14:22 | VirtualBox. | |
| 14:22 | wahanui | virtualbox is good for that sort of thing |
| 14:22 | eythian_train | kf: No, I just know what it represents, I've been to Germany before :-) |
| 14:22 | jcamins | mtompset: yeah, but that's not production. |
| 14:22 | mezwor: still, you should be fine. Just make sure you're using a very powerful computer, because Windows is a resource hog. | |
| 14:22 | kf | eythian_train: *sigh* I will not be able to surprise you? |
| 14:23 | with all the weird things we do here? :) | |
| 14:23 | mezwor | 3What do u meanjcamins |
| 14:23 | * mtompset | sulks, "Hey, it's a windows box running a VM." |
| 14:23 | oleonard | kf: I'm sure you could find some weird food or something kf? |
| 14:23 | jcamins | mezwor: I mean that my experience with Windows was that it used a lot more resources than Linux. |
| 14:23 | * mtompset | nods. |
| 14:24 | kf | oleonard: I will certainly try :) - but he already has so many friends here it will probably get really hard |
| 14:24 | mezwor | 3okay |
| 14:24 | mtompset | My VM is VEEEERY slow, but I'm beating my netbook to death to run it. |
| 14:24 | mezwor | 3your recommendation is ..? |
| 14:24 | mtompset | Don't run windows as the host environment, if you are going to run a VM. |
| 14:24 | oleonard | mtompset: Your poor netbook, it must be exhausted. |
| 14:24 | jcamins | ^^ that |
| 14:25 | mtompset | 1.5GHz baby. :) |
| 14:25 | mezwor | 3There are other applications running on the server like Dspace, etc |
| 14:25 | jcamins | mezwor: the short answer is, it will work. |
| 14:25 | mezwor | 3Actually the server is high-spec |
| 14:26 | jcamins | mezwor: however, no one would be willing to tell you it will work well because we mostly use servers running Linux or the like. |
| 14:26 | mtompset | Not to mention, it is not good practice to put ALL your services on a single server. |
| 14:26 | eythian_train | mezwor: Linux is recommended, but it will work on a vm on windows so long as the machine is well enough specced. |
| 14:26 | jcamins | (not that it won't work well, just that no one is able to promise) |
| 14:27 | mezwor | 3I do have experince installing, configuring , etc on Linux Debian physicall server Do I need any special skiils to work on VM |
| 14:28 | 3hosted on Windows server 2008 | |
| 14:28 | mtompset | just familiarity with the VM you choose. |
| 14:29 | mezwor | 3Thanks a lot, I think I will come up with a new experience ... to share (if any!) |
| 14:30 | eythian_train | mtompset: consolidation with VMs is very common. |
| 14:30 | mtompset | True, but the VM's are separated. :) |
| 14:31 | mezwor | 3Ya but I am not sys admin or network admin , so .... skill limitations, I just wanted to know the koha requirement |
| 14:31 | 3I wish there exist clear koha system requirement | |
| 14:32 | mtompset | Once you are in the VM environment, it will set up just like Debian normally would. |
| 14:33 | mezwor | 3Thank you all |
| 14:33 | wizzyrea | you mean like here: http://koha-community.org/download-koha/ |
| 14:34 | mezwor | 3ya but not enough |
| 14:34 | * mtompset | nods. That's a good start. |
| 14:34 | wizzyrea | we could add some recommendations for sizes/capacities/speed of things based on circs I guess. |
| 14:34 | circs or daily ILS activity | |
| 14:35 | mtompset | or catalogue size. |
| 14:35 | wizzyrea | well catalogue size = disk space. Circulation = good network, fast processor, lots of memory, more disk space |
| 14:36 | mtompset | catalogue size = memory size too (ZEEEEEEEEEEEBRAAAAAAAAA!) |
| 14:36 | wizzyrea | Circ + OPAC stats would probably be the closest useful metric. |
| 14:37 | yea, but for indexing, you don't care so much about what's in active RAM - indexing itself might be slower as it'll have to swap, but you won't see server load like you will when you're running through 200 circs/hr | |
| 14:37 | (or more) | |
| 14:37 | mtompset | some VMs don't get the luxury of swap space. |
| 14:38 | (depends on configuration by the sysadmin) | |
| 14:38 | wizzyrea | always an exception, eh |
| 14:38 | * wizzyrea | is talking in generalities |
| 14:38 | mtompset | I'm sorry... I'm just speaking from our reality. :) |
| 14:38 | wizzyrea | is ok :) |
| 14:39 | mtompset | Actually, page requests + catalogue? |
| 14:39 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 14:39 | lots of libraries won't count page requests though, but they will know how many circs they are doing a month | |
| 14:40 | mtompset | page requests encompasses OPAC and staff client use. |
| 14:40 | circ * fudge factor. :) | |
| 14:40 | wizzyrea | and they may or may not have analytics to give them that data pre-go-live |
| 14:40 | yea, exactly :) | |
| 14:40 | mtompset | but if they are pre-live, they know catalogue size. |
| 14:41 | wizzyrea | yep, and they'll know circs/month which can be figured to circs/hr |
| 14:41 | at least in the US everybody has to submit yearly stats to somebody | |
| 14:41 | mtompset | so there we have it: catalogue size + circs * fudge factor = X |
| 14:42 | X * memory constant = Y GB necessary. | |
| 14:42 | wizzyrea | and busier catalogue = faster processor |
| 14:42 | so don't try to run your 40 library consortium on a p4 | |
| 14:43 | * mtompset | laughs. |
| 14:43 | mtompset | That's worse than me and my netbook! |
| 14:43 | wizzyrea | unless nobody uses your libraries. then it might be ok |
| 14:44 | jcamins | mtompset: there was someone doing that. |
| 14:44 | Well, it was a 20-library consortium. | |
| 14:45 | * mtompset | is shocked and awed. |
| 14:45 | mtompset | That's so bad, it's awesome. |
| 14:47 | eythian_train | I think if you have low ram and no swap, you've got bigger problems anyway. |
| 14:48 | mtompset | We've bumped up to 1GB from 512MB... If we continue to grow, I'll be requesting more. |
| 14:48 | 1GB is working okay. | |
| 14:49 | jcamins | 1GB should be plenty if you only have 30k records (do I remember you only having ~30k records?) |
| 14:49 | eythian_train | Until a badly behaved spider hits apache, anyway. |
| 14:49 | mtompset | -- we stop and restart apache at 1am. ;) |
| 14:49 | jcamins | eythian_train: yeah, but 8GB of RAM won't be enough to protect you from that. |
| 14:50 | mtompset | and we have a robots.txt |
| 14:50 | * jcamins | chuckles. |
| 14:51 | mtompset | we might have 60K... but it is "small" compared to libraries that you folks work with. :) |
| 14:51 | I think 30K was from one branch and 30K from another. | |
| 14:51 | roughly. | |
| 14:51 | jcamins | Ah, that's where 30k came from. |
| 14:52 | mtompset: I work with a library with <500 records. | |
| 14:52 | eythian_train | Hopefully it doesn't spider at 2am then or you'll be down all night. |
| 14:52 | mtompset | Yes, but then I'll get a call. |
| 14:52 | when they come in at 8:30am and can't do squat. | |
| 14:52 | jcamins | mtompset: nagios |
| 14:52 | + munin | |
| 14:52 | + pager | |
| 14:52 | * wizzyrea | hates those phone calls |
| 14:52 | wizzyrea | would rather avoid them. |
| 14:53 | jcamins | = no phone calls from staff |
| 14:53 | mtompset | nagios? |
| 14:53 | munin? | |
| 14:53 | wahanui | rumour has it munin is power mad |
| 14:55 | eythian_train | Yeah, we use nagios for that. |
| 14:56 | Ideally we notice before the library does. | |
| 14:57 | jcamins | I still need to add a few more Koha-specific plugins. |
| 14:58 | eythian_train | I made a couple a while back. |
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| 14:58 | jcamins | Yeah, I want to base mine on yours, but make them work with pacakges. :) |
| 14:58 | * jcamins | has never heard of a nepter fruit. |
| 14:58 | eythian_train | Yeah, that's on my to do list also. One day :-) |
| 14:59 | jcamins | I will share the fruits of my labor, if I get to it before you. |
| 15:00 | Time to head to a meeting. | |
| 15:01 | mtompset | Have fun. |
| 15:06 | Hmm... huginn is still missing? | |
| 15:06 | nepter | @seen lime |
| 15:07 | who commands huginn? | |
| 15:07 | mtompset | Hmmm... he's away too,. |
| 15:08 | wizzyrea | gmcharlt |
| 15:08 | wahanui | rumour has it gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology |
| 15:08 | mtompset | @seen gmcharlt |
| 15:09 | I guess that was a hugin function. | |
| 15:09 | wizzyrea | huginn does those :) |
| 15:09 | mtompset | @wunder mnl |
| 15:09 | wizzyrea | also huginn |
| 15:09 | * mtompset | goes, "Nooooooooo!" in a very dramatic fashion. |
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| 15:10 | wizzyrea | http://t.qkme.me/35tevs.jpg |
| 15:10 | gmcharlt | @wunder mnl |
| 15:10 | * wizzyrea | greets gmcharlt warmly |
| 15:11 | huginn | gmcharlt: Error: timed out |
| 15:11 | gmcharlt | @wunder 30096 |
| 15:11 | huginn | gmcharlt: The current temperature in Bromolow Ridge, Duluth, Georgia is 29.9°C (11:10 AM EDT on July 25, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling). |
| 15:11 | wizzyrea | bug 1000 |
| 15:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1000 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED INVALID, installer: drop/suppress entries in mysql if re-launching installer script |
| 15:11 | wizzyrea | thumbs up :D |
| 15:11 | eythian_train | @wunder where I am |
| 15:11 | huginn | eythian_train: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 15:11 | wizzyrea | thanks gmcharlt |
| 15:11 | gmcharlt++ | |
| 15:13 | mtompset | gmcharlt++ |
| 15:13 | @wunder mnl | |
| 15:13 | huginn | mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 26.0°C (11:00 PM PHT on July 25, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:13 | * mtompset | smiles. |
| 15:13 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 15:13 | huginn | oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 25.0°C (10:41 AM EDT on July 25, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:13 | mtompset | how did you figure out the number, oleonard |
| 15:14 | oleonard | US zip code |
| 15:14 | mtompset | @wunder L7E5Y5 |
| 15:14 | huginn | mtompset: The current temperature in 4km N of Caledon Village, Caledon Village, Ontario is 24.4°C (10:59 AM EDT on July 25, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 15%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:14 | nengard | @wunder 19030 |
| 15:14 | huginn | nengard: The current temperature in Highland Park, Levittown, Pennsylvania is 28.1°C (11:14 AM EDT on July 25, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:14 | wizzyrea | wow apparently there was pent up demand for weather |
| 15:14 | mtompset | Oooo... It knows Canadian postal codes too. |
| 15:14 | nengard | hehe |
| 15:15 | mtompset | @wunder 4009 |
| 15:15 | huginn | mtompset: The current temperature in Moose Pond (Knights Hill), Bridgton, Maine is 20.8°C (11:15 AM EDT on July 25, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:15 | * mtompset | smirks, "Not Philippine ones." |
| 15:16 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 15:16 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 22.0°C (5:00 PM CEST on July 25, 2012). Conditions: Light Thunderstorm. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Rising). |
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| 15:17 | mtompset | @wunder north pole |
| 15:17 | huginn | mtompset: Error: No such location could be found. |
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| 15:18 | drojf | hello again |
| 15:19 | mtompset | Greetings, drojf |
| 15:19 | drojf | hey mtompset |
| 15:19 | wahanui | it has been said that mtompset is a human being in the Philippines, and is having musical flashbacks. |
| 15:20 | drojf | what's with the flashbacks? |
| 15:20 | mtompset | I was having them. |
| 15:20 | Actually, kf triggered some today with her 'wb's. | |
| 15:20 | drojf | is that a good or a bad thing? |
| 15:20 | kf | with my wb? |
| 15:20 | mtompset | Welcome Back. |
| 15:21 | kf | hm |
| 15:22 | mtompset | http://youtu.be/mPaed8I3V1A -- Welcome Back Kotter. |
| 15:22 | It's an ANCIENT TV programme. | |
| 15:24 | oleonard | I can't believe they even had TV back then. |
| 15:24 | gmcharlt | tuning them by throwing stone knives at the rabbit ears was a pain |
| 15:24 | oleonard | I think that show started on vaudeville originally, and moved to TV after a successful run on radio. |
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| 15:25 | oleonard | Travolta replaced an earlier actor who couldn't cut it in the "talkies" |
| 15:28 | nepter | mtompset: what's your connection to or interest in the PI? |
| 15:30 | mtompset | The short form for Philippines is PH, I believe, not PI. PI is deprecated. But that aside, it is where I am currently located. |
| 15:32 | nepter | PI may not be State Department legal, but is commonly used among a certain group of people. But quite interesting that you are there. |
| 15:32 | I was formerly a frequent visitor to AC, or more properly, Angeles City | |
| 15:33 | With occasional stops in Manila | |
| 15:34 | oleonard | nepter: Why the new nick? |
| 15:35 | nepter | rhcl is deprecated |
| 15:36 | mtompset | The problem is that PI implies colonialism to some people. |
| 15:37 | nepter | ic. I was not aware of that, and I did not intend my usage to imply such. My apologies. |
| 15:38 | mtompset | no problems. I didn't take offense. I just wanted you to be aware of it. |
| 15:38 | Angeles City? Is that north of Manila? | |
| 15:39 | I may be in the Philippines, but my geography is still bad. :) | |
| 15:40 | I'll be returning to Canada in November when my overseas assignment completes. | |
| 15:40 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: bug 8486 tiny follow-up, removing ` <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]390d692929d3e04aa> / Bug 8486 Merge Calendar test files <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]98921043b08d2ff32> / Bug 8486 Correct calculation of days_between <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0477d50991c2e9204 |
| 15:40 | nepter | ah, yes, north and slightly west of Manila, about 80 km. |
| 15:41 | mtompset | I'm about 90km south and east. :) |
| 15:41 | nepter | formerly the location of Clark AB, a large US military air base until Pinatubo changed things. |
| 15:42 | mtompset | Ah, Clark Air Base... |
| 15:42 | Volancos will do that. :) | |
| 15:43 | nepter | I might suggest a trek through the lahar fields if you have time. Quite impressive. I assume it's still safe to go there with a guide. |
| 15:43 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:44 | mtompset | Sadly, koha development and some backup scripting is occupying my time. :) |
| 15:44 | * mtompset | grins, "Not really sadly. I like it." |
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| 15:50 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #792 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 21 days ago) |
| 15:51 | nengard | who can refresh http://schema.koha-community.org/ ? |
| 15:51 | now that a lot more db docs have been pushed it should be updated | |
| 15:51 | it says May 15th 2012 was the last update | |
| 15:52 | libsysguy | so i need a word to replace "holiday" in the database so that it intuitively covers daily closures as well |
| 15:52 | mtompset | Not I. Sorry. |
| 15:53 | it has to be a single word? | |
| 15:53 | kf | libsysguy: why does it matter? |
| 15:53 | I think all the documentation talks about holidays too | |
| 15:53 | sorry, I might be misunderstanding :( | |
| 15:54 | libsysguy | i guess it doesn't, it just doesn't really make sense (to me) to call it something else…like "closures" |
| 15:54 | or something of the like | |
| 15:54 | if that makes sense | |
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| 15:54 | nengard | libsysguy - why not 'closure' |
| 15:54 | or 'closing' | |
| 15:54 | mtompset | I see what you are saying. |
| 15:54 | libsysguy | like if the library closes after 5 its not really a holiday |
| 15:55 | mtompset | closure sounds like closed for renovations or permanently. |
| 15:55 | libsysguy | those were the 2 that I was considering nengard |
| 15:55 | kf | hm how will it work? |
| 15:55 | are you creating a new table for opening times? | |
| 15:55 | libsysguy | i am re-working it so there is a table for the closure event and then a table for the recurrences |
| 15:56 | so that it complies with RFC 2445 | |
| 15:56 | kf | rfc 2445? |
| 15:56 | mtompset | link? |
| 15:56 | wahanui | link is, like, right, but the website is gone, apparently |
| 15:56 | libsysguy | (RFC !+ Request for comment) |
| 15:56 | http://search.cpan.org/~drolsk[…]me/Format/ICal.pm | |
| 15:57 | kf | hm |
| 15:57 | mtompset | http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2445.txt |
| 15:57 | kf | the website I found says that it was obsoleted by another |
| 15:57 | libsysguy | mtompset: that too |
| 15:57 | kf | http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc5545 |
| 15:57 | libsysguy | the 5542 one? |
| 15:57 | yeah that | |
| 15:57 | wahanui | yeah that is fine as it is |
| 15:57 | mib_fts8ou | wow, I did not know that a translation has integrated mibbit |
| 15:58 | Perhaps this explains some | |
| 15:58 | kf | libsysguy: hm. so it will be all one string? |
| 15:58 | libsysguy | the recurrence will be represented as one string…yes |
| 15:59 | kf | all those calendar stuff is a bit too high for me - but I am worried about reworking it all - we might be breaking all the calendar stuff again if we are not careful :( |
| 15:59 | libsysguy | that is why I am going to test the hell out of this |
| 15:59 | but it has to change because of the way it is written if we ever want to extend it | |
| 15:59 | i am taking rangi's advice | |
| 15:59 | test first | |
| 15:59 | :p | |
| 15:59 | kf | :) |
| 16:00 | it looks quite cryptic | |
| 16:00 | libsysguy | it is really cryptic |
| 16:00 | kf | using sql on those might be hard? |
| 16:01 | libsysguy | well they would just define the recurrence, but I see what you mean |
| 16:01 | kf | hm, guess what we need is, daily, weekly, monthly, yearly, ranges and exceptions to each? |
| 16:01 | libsysguy | exactly |
| 16:01 | like google calendar :p | |
| 16:01 | kf | I don't use that :) |
| 16:02 | libsysguy | :'( |
| 16:02 | I think it would be better to use a standard than write our own (like it is now) | |
| 16:03 | kf | I can undersatnd the approach |
| 16:03 | only never heard about it | |
| 16:03 | libsysguy | hehe |
| 16:03 | kf | will it work for dates and times? |
| 16:03 | libsysguy | yes it will…it is an extension of a datetime object |
| 16:03 | so it is easily integrible into our current code | |
| 16:05 | kf | cool |
| 16:05 | ok, time to leave - bye all :) | |
| 16:05 | libsysguy | later kf |
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| 16:35 | ago43 | does anyone know how the icon for maps here is hyperlinked? http://catalogo.pusc.it/cgi-bi[…]iblionumber=13381 |
| 16:38 | cait | I think maybe customized code |
| 16:38 | templates i mean | |
| 16:38 | oleonard | It's Javascript-dependent, but I haven't found where it's coming from |
| 16:38 | cait | same here |
| 16:39 | ago43 | okay, thanks very much cait and oleonard! I asked them how they did it, but haven't heard back yet. |
| 16:40 | cait | maybe write to zeno |
| 16:40 | oleonard | Oh, here? http://catalogo.pusc.it/pusc_opac.js |
| 16:40 | ago43 | who's zeno? |
| 16:40 | wahanui | it has been said that zeno is from italy - not sure if inventory number only sounds better to us |
| 16:41 | oleonard | Zeno Tajoli |
| 16:41 | wahanui | somebody said Zeno Tajoli was the person who has introduced UNIMARC italian support into Koha |
| 16:42 | ago43 | ah, I thought you meant Zen from Masterpiece Theater. |
| 16:42 | oleonard | ?! |
| 16:42 | cait | bbl #koha :) |
| 16:43 | ago43 | detective show from BBC. |
| 16:43 | thanks. I'll keep an eye out for Zeno. | |
| 16:53 | oleonard | ago43: Also note Bug 737 |
| 16:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=737 enhancement, P2, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Map of library in search system |
| 16:53 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #792: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/792/ |
| 16:53 | * m.de.rooy: 7368 Adjustments for Perl dependencies | |
| 16:53 | * oleonard: Bug 7889 - Use standard style for errors and messages | |
| 16:53 | * colin.campbell: Bug 8486 Correct calculation of days_between | |
| 16:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7889 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use standard style for errors and messages |
| 16:53 | jenkins_koha | * colin.campbell: Bug 8486 Merge Calendar test files |
| 16:53 | * paul.poulain: bug 8486 tiny follow-up, removing ` | |
| 16:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8486 blocker, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Critical error in Koha::Calendar::days_between calculation |
| 16:54 | oleonard | huginn++ |
| 16:54 | mtompset | Wow! That's an ancient bug. |
| 16:54 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7420 tiny bugfix <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9f457fc606c5910af> / Bug 7420 follow-up DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]083fa11743e70da57> / [PATCH] bug_7420: Added overduefinescap to issuingrules <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6cfdae1c285724408 |
| 16:54 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #793 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 21 days ago) |
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| 16:56 | oleonard | An ancient bug with 3 competing implementations apparently |
| 17:03 | * oleonard | imagines a 4th which uses svg |
| 17:17 | * mtompset | laughs. |
| 17:17 | mtompset | Actually, wouldn't you have to know where the OPAC terminal is? |
| 17:17 | And what if there are multiple terminals? | |
| 17:18 | oleonard | The map doesn't have to have a big "you are here" button |
| 17:18 | mtompset | This script is getting big now! |
| 17:18 | (unrelated) | |
| 17:18 | Yes it does. | |
| 17:18 | That's what maps in a mall have. | |
| 17:19 | oleonard | http://html5demos.com/geo/ |
| 17:20 | mtompset | Hmmm... it's asking for my location, but it doesn't see to do anything. |
| 17:21 | ^see^seem^ | |
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| 17:39 | mtompset | Greetings, nepter |
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| 17:45 | JoeLib001 | Hello. :-) I have come across a strange thing which looks like a bug to me. |
| 17:46 | It seems that when I do a Z39.50 search for a record, if the 001 line (Control Number) has leading spaces it does not show up when being searched. | |
| 17:47 | oleonard | Lay it on us JoeLib001 |
| 17:47 | jcamins | JoeLib001: you mean when copy cataloging? |
| 17:47 | JoeLib001 | Yes. |
| 17:48 | The Cataloger tells me that it is standard to have 2 leading spaces after 2000 and 3 leading spaces prior to it. | |
| 17:48 | After the year 2000. | |
| 17:48 | jcamins | So you click on the "View MARC" and there's no 001 line? |
| 17:49 | Ah, your cataloger confused you. That's LCCN (010). | |
| 17:49 | I've never seen an LCCN in 001. | |
| 17:49 | JoeLib001 | There were spaces in the 001. |
| 17:49 | We did a search with a different system and it returned a hit. | |
| 17:49 | jcamins | Okay, but what's the problem? |
| 17:49 | JoeLib001 | I did a search with Koha and we got nothing. |
| 17:50 | jcamins | The problem is that when you did a search in a remote Z39.50 server, any record that had spaces in the 001 doesn't display? |
| 17:50 | JoeLib001 | But, I can get results from the Z39.50 server I am searching, if there are no leading spaces in the 001 line. |
| 17:50 | Yeah. | |
| 17:51 | At least that's what it looks like. I tested a couple of items and it happened for both items that had leading spaces in the 001. | |
| 17:51 | I don't really have a way of testing it further. | |
| 17:52 | Unless I can do a Z39.50 Search of my own Catalog. | |
| 17:53 | jcamins | That's absolutely bizarre. |
| 17:53 | Don't suppose this is a public Z39.50 server? | |
| 17:53 | You could set up public Z39.50. | |
| 17:53 | How were you searching for these records? | |
| 17:53 | Just keywords? | |
| 17:53 | JoeLib001 | I did a title search and an ISBN search. |
| 17:54 | Double checked the ISBN as well. | |
| 17:54 | jcamins | Yeah, that sounds like a bug. |
| 17:55 | You should report it on bugzilla. | |
| 17:55 | mtompset | How was the meeting, jcamins? |
| 17:56 | JoeLib001 | Ok. Is this how I do it? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bugzilla |
| 17:56 | jcamins | mtompset: not bad. |
| 17:56 | JoeLib001: I recommend just filing the bug on bugzilla. | |
| 17:57 | JoeLib001 | Yeah, I have never used bugzilla. |
| 17:57 | jcamins | Trying to use e-mail is a lot more trouble. |
| 17:57 | http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/ | |
| 17:57 | ^^ click "File a bug" | |
| 17:57 | (and create an account) | |
| 17:57 | mtompset | Beat me to it. |
| 17:57 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #793: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/793/ |
| 17:57 | * elliott: [PATCH] bug_7420: Added overduefinescap to issuingrules | |
| 17:57 | * paul.poulain: Bug 7420 follow-up DBRev number | |
| 17:57 | * paul.poulain: Bug 7420 tiny bugfix | |
| 17:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7420 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Add max fines to circulation matrix |
| 18:02 | mtompset | I have got some serious enhancements to check_deps.sh done, jcamins. |
| 18:03 | I'm just testing the file compare against ubuntu.packages logic. | |
| 18:04 | jcamins | :) |
| 18:04 | mtompset | and actually, it is coded as $DIST, wirth a lsb_release -i ;) |
| 18:05 | * jcamins | approves of this. |
| 18:05 | jcamins | I will modify the script to figure out its own sources.list, depending on the dist and version passed in. |
| 18:06 | mtompset | I thought apt-file handled that. |
| 18:07 | jcamins | mtompset: I'm pretty sure apt-file only uses the sources.list you specify or the one used by the system. |
| 18:08 | mtompset | Do you have an Ubuntu 3.8.3 system? |
| 18:08 | There were files only in the additional repository. | |
| 18:08 | JoeLib001 | Is that all I need to do? http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8505 |
| 18:08 | huginn | 04Bug 8505: normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Records with leading spaces in the 001 line do not return Z39.50 search results. |
| 18:08 | jcamins | I do not. |
| 18:09 | JoeLib001: yup. Any more information you can provide, such as what server you were accessing, would help, but if you don't know anymore, there's nothing more you can say. :) | |
| 18:09 | JoeLib001 | It was a service we are paying for. :-) |
| 18:09 | Well, is a service we are paying for. | |
| 18:09 | jcamins | mtompset: I do not. I use Debian. I want, however, to have a tool that warns me if any additional dependency is not available for Ubuntu 10.04, Ubuntu 12.04, Debian Squeeze, or Debian Wheezy. |
| 18:10 | oleonard++ | |
| 18:10 | mtompset | This warns you if the apt-file output doesn't have it. |
| 18:11 | jcamins | mtompset: right. So I want to be able to run it in a loop specifying "--dist=ubuntu --version=lucid" :D |
| 18:11 | * chris_n | mumbles something about ubuntu and their slowness about fixing buggy packages |
| 18:11 | jcamins | (or --dist=debian --version=squeeze) |
| 18:11 | (or whatever) | |
| 18:11 | mtompset | Oh, so you actually want a source.list parameter? |
| 18:12 | jcamins | That would work too. |
| 18:12 | mtompset | So you can have copies of the source.list files from those dists and run the script in Debian? |
| 18:12 | jcamins | :) |
| 18:12 | Exactly. | |
| 18:13 | mtompset | The problem is if you specify a source.list --- then source.list.d won't be followed. |
| 18:13 | does your source.list.d have anything OTHER than the debian.k-c.org repo? | |
| 18:13 | jcamins | mtompset: nope. |
| 18:13 | And it shouldn't pass in a sources.list unless one is specified on the command line. | |
| 18:14 | mtompset | what about your apt.cp.... |
| 18:14 | JoeLib001 | The platform and operating system would be the platform and operating system my server is running or that I was doing the search from? |
| 18:14 | jcamins | mtompset: actually, that's what I use instead of debian.k-c.org. |
| 18:14 | oleonard | JoeLib001: What the server is running unless you're talking about a browser compatibility bug |
| 18:14 | jcamins | Hence the importance of being able to specify a sources.list that uses debian.k-c.org instead of mine. |
| 18:15 | JoeLib001 | Ok. I am figuring it isn't the browser. |
| 18:15 | Thanks. | |
| 18:15 | jcamins | mtompset: good catch on that. |
| 18:15 | oleonard | JoeLib001: In 99.5% of cases the bug is server-independent |
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| 18:17 | mtompset | so you would create a debian one with the k-c.org appended to it? |
| 18:17 | jcamins | mtompset: right. |
| 18:17 | And also one for Wheezy. | |
| 18:17 | And Lucid. | |
| 18:17 | And Precise. | |
| 18:18 | And it will all go in the release-tools repository so anyone can use it. | |
| 18:18 | Oh, we'll also need to support the --cache argument so that we don't have to rebuild the cache from scratch every time. | |
| 18:18 | mtompset | I've got it expecting to be in the same directory as koha_perl_deps.pl |
| 18:19 | send me parameter specs. | |
| 18:19 | * jcamins | will teach it to handle being in a different directory, fear not. |
| 18:19 | mtompset | I'll tweak it accordingly. |
| 18:19 | jcamins | --cache should take a directory, which it can then just pass straight through to apt-file. |
| 18:20 | mtompset | Well there we go!\ |
| 18:20 | jcamins | So if you support --sources-list and --cache by simply passing them through to apt-file if they are specified, it will be easy to add it into my mammoth release-test.pl tool. |
| 18:20 | mtompset | I just ran in under an un-tar'd 3.6.6 |
| 18:21 | it listed some things that were missing that we added in 3.6.7 :) | |
| 18:22 | currently it is: | |
| 18:23 | check_deps.sh [<file> [<full>]] | |
| 18:23 | <file>.all is everything it does find | |
| 18:23 | <file>.missing is everything it doesn't find | |
| 18:23 | full limits the output. | |
| 18:24 | going to add a <file>.fix for the missing $DIST.packages file | |
| 18:26 | which can basically be appended to the end of the $DIST.packages file. | |
| 18:26 | I figure it is best to NOT append as part of the script, so a human can check. | |
| 18:27 | jcamins | Makes sense to me. |
| 18:27 | * oleonard | cannot reproduce Bug 8473 |
| 18:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8473 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Different favicon in the staff client only shows in the english templates |
| 18:28 | mtompset | Did you try looking at the icon when you first went to it? |
| 18:28 | I had that problem. | |
| 18:28 | I created an includes directory somewhere. | |
| 18:28 | problem goes away. | |
| 18:29 | Did you tell apache where the favicon is which is not default? | |
| 18:30 | i think the problem is [% themelang %] isn't defined when the auth.tt is called. | |
| 18:30 | and neither is [% IntranetFavIcon %] | |
| 18:31 | but once you log in... they are most definitely defined. | |
| 18:34 | oleonard | mtompset: If you mean the favicon doesn't work out of the box upon installation I don't find that to be true |
| 18:34 | mtompset | I did, but ONLY on the auth screen. |
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| 18:35 | mtompset | Perhaps it is fixed in a later version? |
| 18:35 | I don't know. I know it is busted in 3.6.3 | |
| 18:35 | That's why I just hacked the else. | |
| 18:36 | and on some vm's I play with... put an include dir. | |
| 18:38 | so jcamins, you are thinking: check_deps.sh [--base-dir <path> [--dist=<dist> --release=<release>]] [<file> [<full>]]? | |
| 18:38 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 18:38 | mtompset | Where base-dir would be pre-pended to the calculated file from dist,release. |
| 18:39 | jcamins | Sounds *perfect* to me. |
| 18:39 | Oh, needs one additional argument. | |
| 18:39 | mtompset | what? |
| 18:39 | jcamins | --kohaclone so that you can specify where the kohaclone is, if you're not running it from that directory. |
| 18:40 | (I actually don't need that, since I adjust the working directory, but it would be good to have that possible) | |
| 18:40 | mtompset | so jcamins, you are thinking: check_deps.sh [--koha-dir=<path>] [--base-dir=<path> [--dist=<dist> --release=<release>]] [<file> [<full>]]? |
| 18:41 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 18:41 | mtompset | Well, perhaps .... |
| 18:41 | so jcamins, you are thinking: check_deps.sh [--koha-dir=<path>] [--list-dir=<path> [--dist=<dist> --release=<release>]] [<file> [<full>]]? | |
| 18:42 | jcamins | Ah, yes, that's preferable. |
| 18:43 | mtompset | output files include: <file>.all -- everything that is found. <file>.missing -- everything that is NOT found. <file>.fix -- whatever is missing from the dist/release .packages file in install_misc |
| 18:44 | so .missing output means they would need to be added to a repo. | |
| 18:45 | and .fix output means the files need updating based in PerlDependencies.pm | |
| 18:45 | oleonard | Man, git can be so smart about merging differences sometimes, and other times it can be so stupid. |
| 18:45 | git: "Oh, you changed a single tab to four spaces? I can't possibly resolve that conflict." | |
| 18:45 | mtompset | I'll email you the current version, jcamins |
| 18:45 | jcamins | mtompset: that's perfect. I use the .fix file to make sure the .packages files are correct for release, and .missing to determine if there's any problem. |
| 18:46 | mtompset: thanks! | |
| 18:46 | mtompset++ | |
| 18:46 | mtompset | But those parameters we just talked about are not implemented yet. |
| 18:46 | jcamins | Well, I'll have the version with everything bout the new parameters. :) |
| 18:46 | *but | |
| 18:48 | mtompset | And you can give me some feedback, if there's code optimizations in order. :) |
| 18:50 | yikes... it's 11K already?! | |
| 18:50 | Silly me for commenting things. | |
| 18:52 | jcamins | mtompset: don't feel bad... my release-tool.pl script is 33k. |
| 18:52 | At some point it will need to be refactored into module(s). | |
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| 18:53 | mtompset | It's a good thing I do the "if [ ... ]; then" on one line. |
| 18:53 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 18:53 | mtompset | I just sent it... |
| 18:54 | jcamins | Got it. |
| 18:54 | Taking a look now. | |
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| 18:55 | mveron | God evening #koha |
| 18:55 | Good... (Should put my glasses ... | |
| 18:57 | jcamins | mtompset: is it to be expected that I'm getting a lot of "Integer expression expected" warnings? |
| 18:57 | mtompset | No. |
| 18:57 | what did you type? | |
| 18:57 | jcamins | ./check_deps.sh test |
| 18:58 | mtompset | missed a test case. |
| 18:58 | put a 0 or 1 after the name. | |
| 18:58 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 18:58 | Thanks. | |
| 18:59 | mtompset | Unintialized value error. :) |
| 19:00 | Near the top... just add a DEBUG=1 | |
| 19:00 | then you won't need to pass the 0 or 1. | |
| 19:00 | jcamins | Ooh, I need to generate the apt-file Index. |
| 19:00 | cait | bye all |
| 19:00 | mtompset | Yes. |
| 19:01 | I figure if you have your sample source.list files in source.list.d | |
| 19:01 | that if you run a apt-file update | |
| 19:01 | it will do it for all of them | |
| 19:01 | so when you specify one, it will be there. | |
| 19:02 | I could attempt to automate that part too. | |
| 19:02 | jcamins | No, I mean for my repo. |
| 19:03 | mtompset | Ah, yes. |
| 19:03 | Is it even generated for debian. k-c-.org? | |
| 19:03 | jcamins | Hm. I don't think so. |
| 19:04 | mtompset | It would make automation easier. ;) |
| 19:04 | Yes, I added DEBUG=1 on line 21. | |
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| 19:08 | mtompset | so jcamins, you are thinking: check_deps.sh [--koha-dir=<path>] [--list-dir=<path> [--dist=<dist> --release=<release>]] [<file> [<full>]]? |
| 19:08 | Just saying it again to make it visible. :) | |
| 19:09 | jcamins | That is indeed what I am thinking, yes. |
| 19:09 | :) | |
| 19:12 | mtompset | what's lsb_release -r for debian? need a good example for my comments. |
| 19:13 | jcamins | Uh-oh. |
| 19:13 | It looks like "6.0.5" | |
| 19:13 | It should say squeeze. | |
| 19:13 | mtompset | no, that would be -c |
| 19:13 | jcamins | Oh, okay. |
| 19:13 | You knew that, | |
| 19:13 | :) | |
| 19:13 | mtompset | check out also -a. :) |
| 19:14 | jcamins | Ah, nifty. |
| 19:14 | Possibly better to use --codename instead of --release, then? | |
| 19:14 | * jcamins | didn't realize there was a difference. |
| 19:14 | mtompset | we used -r for ubuntu stuff, remember? |
| 19:15 | I'd like to stay consistent. :) | |
| 19:15 | ubuntu-pkg-check.sh | |
| 19:15 | wahanui | hmmm... ubuntu-pkg-check.sh is hardcoded to ubuntu.packages. |
| 19:15 | mtompset | was. |
| 19:15 | jcamins | Oh, this isn't for sources.list. |
| 19:15 | Got it. | |
| 19:15 | mtompset | well, actually... it would be for BOTH. |
| 19:15 | jcamins | I mean, it doesn't go *in* sources.list. |
| 19:15 | mtompset | unless we added another parameter to split the meaning. |
| 19:16 | no... | |
| 19:16 | jcamins | Carry on. :) |
| 19:16 | mtompset | I would expect source.list.d/ubuntu.12.04.list, etc. |
| 19:16 | jcamins | Right. That makes sense. |
| 19:16 | mtompset | where ubuntu could be any dist you want. |
| 19:16 | and 12.04 would be the correct release number for it. | |
| 19:17 | jcamins | One small problem with releases for Debian... we only would want the first two parts of the version, not the third number. |
| 19:17 | mtompset | -- why? |
| 19:18 | jcamins | Because you use the same set of packages for 6.0.*. They're all "squeeze." |
| 19:18 | mtompset | okay, a bit of a coding pain, but do-able. |
| 19:19 | jcamins | Though I suppose if you're specifying the release on the command line, it doesn't actually matter. |
| 19:19 | You just have to make sure all the files match. | |
| 19:19 | Right? | |
| 19:19 | mtompset | but if you don't specify it on the command line, it has to choose one. |
| 19:19 | jcamins | Ah, right. |
| 19:19 | mtompset | RELEASE=`lsb_release -r | ....` |
| 19:20 | RELEASE2=`echo $RELEASE | tr -d '.'` | |
| 19:20 | DIFF=$((${#RELEASE}-${#RELEASE2})) | |
| 19:21 | no wait... | |
| 19:21 | RELEASE=`lsb_release -r | ... | cut -f1-2 -d'.'` | |
| 19:22 | the ... is other magic :) | |
| 19:23 | jcamins | Right. :) |
| 19:24 | mtompset | so jcamins, you are thinking: check_deps.sh [--koha-dir=<path>] [--list-dir=<path> [--dist=<dist> --release=<release>]] [<file> [<full>]]? |
| 19:25 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
| 19:25 | mtompset | Just documenting a To-Do. |
| 19:25 | Bye, oleonard | |
| 19:29 | jcamins | mtompset: that makes sense to me, yes. |
| 19:29 | mtompset | just commenting on your assistance in testing and design of parameter requirements. |
| 19:35 | okay... sent you the latest. | |
| 19:35 | I'm going to bed. | |
| 19:36 | It's 3.35am! | |
| 19:36 | I think I'll need to get more Mountain Dew in the morning. | |
| 19:36 | Any idea on how to get the soruces.list files from various distributions without a full install? | |
| 19:37 | jcamins | mtompset: no, I'm still working on that. |
| 19:37 | mtompset | Send me an email on that one, if you do. |
| 19:37 | jcamins | Will do. |
| 19:38 | rangi | Morning |
| 19:38 | mtompset | Yes, it definitely is. |
| 19:38 | libsysguy_class | phew it was only jenkins |
| 19:38 | mtompset | However, I'm calling it a night. :) |
| 19:38 | * mtompset | waves. |
| 19:38 | mveron | Good morning rangi and night everybody :-) |
| 19:40 | drojf | old koha on ubuntu blog guy says "Sure. It'll be a few days before I can get to it, but I'll make the update." will make the link to the fork disappear too i hope |
| 19:40 | * drojf | goes out for a beer |
| 19:40 | jcamins | Woohoo! |
| 19:40 | drojf++ | |
| 19:44 | rangi | Yay |
| 19:44 | jcamins | @later tell mtompset sources.list generator for Debian: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 19:44 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
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| 19:48 | rangi | Nepter: two ex academy kids start today, one first year of uni, one last year of high school |
| 19:49 | Growing devs as u suggested | |
| 19:50 | jcamins | Is one of them Joann's son? |
| 19:51 | (then it'd be truly a home-grown Koha developer:) | |
| 19:59 | rangi | Hehe no he is only 15 |
| 19:59 | Still has 2 patches in tho | |
| 20:00 | Couple of years :-) | |
| 20:00 | jcamins | rangi: well, I figured he'd come before Kahu. |
| 20:01 | rangi | Yep 2 patches at 14 is not shabby |
| 20:03 | jcamins | You know, I've been spoiled by barcode scanners. |
| 20:03 | I just had to enter my library card barcode number into a website. | |
| 20:03 | And it greatly offended me to type those 14 digits. | |
| 20:10 | rangi | heh |
| 20:14 | JoeLib001 | Hahahaha! :-) |
| 20:15 | I'm off to do something monotonous. Bye. :-) | |
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| 20:27 | rangi | jcamins: fwiw all released versions to now are in the main repo, pre actual release is in the oldkoha and kumara repos |
| 20:27 | jcamins | rangi: ah. I knew there was an oldkoha repo, didn't know what was in it. |
| 20:28 | rangi | kumara is older than oldkoha |
| 20:28 | however | |
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| 20:28 | rangi | sup trea1 |
| 20:29 | trea1 | hey rangi |
| 20:29 | rangi | jcamins: http://git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-master/ <-- unified history |
| 20:30 | 4661 days | |
| 20:30 | with on average 3.8 commits per day | |
| 20:30 | thats INSANE | |
| 20:31 | jcamins | Wow. |
| 20:31 | That's impressive. | |
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| 21:20 | Morthland | What's the system pref to disable the tag cloud on opac? |
| 21:22 | Found it. | |
| 22:10 | rangi | http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominio[…]her-own-ambulance <-- awesomesauce |
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| 22:39 | magnuse | g'night #koha |
| 22:41 | rangi | night magnuse |
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| 23:55 | mib_jtzy1e | quick question about future development |
| 23:56 | is there any talk about letting the opac link out to database articles and resource like a discovery interface? | |
| 23:57 | rangi | yep there has been discussion |
| 23:57 | just would need someone to write an up and rfc and do it :) | |
| 23:57 | or pay someone to do it | |
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