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| 01:50 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #101 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 02:53 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #101: SUCCESS in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/101/ |
| 02:53 | mtompset: Bug 8458 - $stemmed_operand in C4::Search _build_stemmed_operand is not initialized. Added =q{} to initialize it to the empty string at declaration time. | |
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| 03:24 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 03:25 | rangi | hi mtompset |
| 03:25 | mtompset | I have a question and perhaps you can give feedback, rangi. |
| 03:25 | Under Ubuntu, do we want to recommend using the koha-common packages? | |
| 03:26 | (from Debian) | |
| 03:26 | rangi | from debian.koha-community.org you mean? |
| 03:26 | (they aren't in debian proper) | |
| 03:26 | mtompset | yes. |
| 03:26 | rangi | there's one patch that needs to be pushed, and then yes |
| 03:26 | mysql in precise is a bit mental | |
| 03:27 | mtompset | Yes, the whole 'user'@'%' mess? |
| 03:27 | rangi | the packages worked fine up until precise |
| 03:27 | yep | |
| 03:27 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8162 | |
| 03:27 | its passed QA | |
| 03:28 | hmm no hmm needs signoff | |
| 03:28 | but once that is in, it will work with precise again | |
| 03:30 | mtompset | But the @'%' was never suggested on http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu |
| 03:30 | Should it have been? | |
| 03:30 | (never = since I first saw it up until now) | |
| 03:32 | rangi | doesnt really matter for the instructions |
| 03:33 | mtompset | Okay, seeing as I'm looking at the Ubuntu Instructions to make sure they are up to date. |
| 03:34 | rangi | probably best to make one for localhost explicitly assuming that people who want to run the db on another server know enough to figure that out themselves |
| 03:35 | * mtompset | nods. |
| 03:36 | mtompset | also, what is the most current repository for debian.koha-community.org? Is it squeeze? |
| 03:36 | rangi | squeeze is current stable |
| 03:36 | so 3.8.x | |
| 03:36 | squeeze-dev is master | |
| 03:37 | mtompset | which one is 3.6.x? |
| 03:37 | rangi | oldstable |
| 03:38 | mtompset | So, when 3.10 comes out... oldstable = 3.8.x, and debian-codename = current stable = 3.10, debian-codename-dev = master (= 3.11)? |
| 03:40 | rangi | yep |
| 03:40 | mtompset | does the 3.6.x repository stay around somewhere? |
| 03:40 | rangi | nope |
| 03:42 | mtompset | Ah, okay. So, basically, a git install is really only available for old stable, current stable, and master? |
| 03:43 | rangi | oh the git repository? |
| 03:43 | yeah that stays around for ever | |
| 03:44 | i thought you meant the package repository | |
| 03:44 | mtompset | I was mixing terms. |
| 03:44 | Thanks for clarifying. | |
| 03:44 | The tar.gz's stay around forever. A git downlaod is available as well. | |
| 03:44 | rangi | yep |
| 03:45 | mtompset | However, in terms of a repository, (apt-get stuff), only old stable, current stable, and master exist. |
| 03:46 | rangi | yep |
| 03:47 | and unless someone setps up to maintain oldoldstable, you should try to be at least on oldstable | |
| 03:50 | * mtompset | nods. |
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| 03:51 | muzu | hi |
| 03:51 | wahanui | bonjour, muzu |
| 03:52 | mtompset | Thanks for the input. I'll be looking at http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8478 and helping tcohen clean up documentation for Ubuntu, and getting master patched with what I did for 3.6.7 |
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| 04:16 | mtompset | Greetings, cait |
| 04:17 | Greetings, muzu. | |
| 04:17 | cait | hi mtompset |
| 04:17 | mtompset | Next question. I know that LAMP includes PHP, which is not required for Koha, but would that not be the easiest option to suggest when installing Ubuntu? |
| 04:18 | rangi | not really no |
| 04:18 | well it is easy | |
| 04:18 | but it has the downside of now you have php | |
| 04:19 | dcook_away | Not a fan of php, rangi? :P |
| 04:19 | rangi | not at all :) but thats not why its a problem for this |
| 04:19 | mtompset | I suspect it isn't a matter of fan or not, but a matter of not installing what you don't need. |
| 04:19 | rangi | the problem here is, now your apache threads start up with php |
| 04:19 | drastically reducing how many concurrent threads you can have | |
| 04:20 | specially if you are mtompset and have 24meg of ram :-) | |
| 04:20 | mtompset | 204MB. |
| 04:20 | * rangi | exaggerates for effect |
| 04:20 | mtompset | free. |
| 04:20 | muzu | hi mtompset |
| 04:20 | mtompset | We've bumped up to 1GB total. |
| 04:20 | rangi | yeah thats about 4 threads with php |
| 04:20 | i think it runs in around 64MB a thread | |
| 04:21 | muzu | I am getting error while restoring db of 3.2 in 3.6 |
| 04:21 | mtompset | Actually, that is probably right. |
| 04:21 | rangi | dcook_away: http://blog.r-wos.org/2012/php-explained |
| 04:21 | mtompset | Roughly 300MB used with myql and apache. |
| 04:23 | But you would agree that the server version is preferred over the desktop version, rangi? | |
| 04:23 | rangi | definitely for the same reason, you dont want X and gdm etc all running |
| 04:29 | muzu: what is the error? | |
| 04:30 | muzu | [Thu Dec 15 13:59:43 2011] updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate column name 'privacy' at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 3997. |
| 04:32 | rangi | ahh you can safely ignore that, it should continue on and do the rest |
| 04:33 | muzu | even i have ignored,but gives error while checkin and checkout. |
| 04:33 | dcook_away | rangi: interestingly enough, this is the third time in four days that people have commented to me about PHP's structure |
| 04:34 | rangi | whats the error at checkin and checkout muzu ? |
| 04:35 | muzu | Use of uninitialized value $biblioitem_subfield in string at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/Biblio.pm line 3216. Tag "" is not a valid tag. at /home/koha/kohaclone/C4/Biblio.pm line 3216" |
| 04:36 | rangi | when you upgraded you ran the upgrade script eh? |
| 04:37 | misc/maintenance/remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl --run | |
| 04:37 | that one? | |
| 04:39 | muzu | i havent execute any script. |
| 04:39 | rangi | how did you upgrade? |
| 04:40 | you just loaded in a 3.2 db into a 3.6.7 install? | |
| 04:40 | you definitely want to run that script | |
| 04:40 | and do a full zebra reindex | |
| 04:41 | from the INSTALL file | |
| 04:41 | oha 3.4.x or later no longer stores items in biblio records. | |
| 04:41 | If you are upgrading from an older version ou will need to do the | |
| 04:41 | following two steps, they can take a long time (several hours) to | |
| 04:41 | complete for large databases | |
| 04:41 | ||
| 04:41 | muzu | i have taken the back up of 3.2 . i have newly istalled 3.6 and restored 3.2 db |
| 04:41 | rangi | misc/maintenance/remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl --run |
| 04:41 | misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r | |
| 04:41 | right, after you have done the web installer, you need to run that script | |
| 04:41 | muzu | ok |
| 04:42 | may i know what is the exact command to execute that script. | |
| 04:42 | rangi | it may not fix this checkin checkout problem, but not running it will create all sorts of other ones |
| 04:42 | muzu | ok |
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| 05:29 | dcook_away | Does anyone know if the "Set library management parameters" permission actually do anything? |
| 05:29 | Or to which lib management parameters the permission refers? | |
| 05:30 | cait | hm |
| 05:31 | I think administration area - but I am not sure right now | |
| 05:31 | dcook_away | I think that's the "Set Koha system parameters" permission |
| 05:38 | It looks like the only thing it does is allow the user to change their library in the intranet... | |
| 05:38 | cait | hm that makes sense too i guess |
| 05:39 | dcook_away | Now that I look at the name of the permission, I guess so, lol |
| 05:46 | mtompset | If a user who is setting up Koha has the debian.k-c.org squeeze packages, would there be any reason for them to use CPAN? |
| 05:47 | cait | hm I think the packages have all perl dependencies |
| 05:47 | so I guess not | |
| 05:47 | using CPAN is not recommended | |
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| 05:50 | Sneha | hi every one |
| 05:51 | any body send me Koha import file format? | |
| 05:51 | please | |
| 05:51 | mtompset | I know CPAN is not recommended. :) |
| 05:52 | Sneha | ?? |
| 05:52 | no body are there? | |
| 05:53 | mtompset | I believe the Koha Import format depends on what you set your Koha up as, right cait? MARC21 or UNIMARC. |
| 05:53 | I have no such files that I am allowed to share. | |
| 05:54 | marc21? | |
| 05:54 | wahanui | hmmm... marc21 is at http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]hic/ecbdlist.html , http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ecadlist.html |
| 05:54 | mtompset | unimarc? |
| 05:54 | wahanui | unimarc is http://www.ifla.org/en/publica[…]ted-documentation |
| 05:54 | mtompset | That is the best I can help, sorry. |
| 05:54 | cait | mtompset: yes, you will have to import in the format koha is set up in |
| 05:55 | there is a patch to allow "crosswalking" formats for z39.50 - but sadly it's stuck at the moment | |
| 05:55 | * mtompset | goes back to working on documentation for Ubuntu installs. |
| 05:57 | Sneha | i have import the book but not working properly |
| 05:57 | can u send me details with my mail id ? | |
| 05:58 | hdohareyahoo.co.in |
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| 06:00 | cait | sorry Sneha |
| 06:00 | we cantry helping you here | |
| 06:00 | alex_a | bonjour \o |
| 06:00 | cait | or youcan ask your quesitons on the mailing list |
| 06:01 | but mailing you details apart from that is asking a bit too much | |
| 06:01 | documentation? | |
| 06:01 | wahanui | documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/ |
| 06:01 | Sneha | i have this |
| 06:01 | but not understand | |
| 06:02 | mtompset | which part don't you understand? |
| 06:03 | * mtompset | thinks Sneha may work with two people he interacted with over the weekend. *sigh* |
| 06:04 | mtompset | Are you just trying to do data entry, Sneha? |
| 06:04 | I mean catalogueing? | |
| 06:04 | Sneha | yes |
| 06:04 | no i useing import the book but not | |
| 06:05 | i have no format of this | |
| 06:05 | so i got confused | |
| 06:05 | mtompset | cait, I'm not familiar with how to enter an item in Koha. Where's the docs for that? |
| 06:05 | cait | it depends on how you are doing it |
| 06:05 | maybe z39.50 import? | |
| 06:06 | I would recommend reading the cataloguing chapter | |
| 06:06 | mtompset | Probably not. |
| 06:06 | Let me guess, Sneha... you have 3.06.05 of Koha, right? | |
| 06:06 | Sneha | yes |
| 06:06 | cait | http://manual.koha-community.o[…]ging.html#catbibs |
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| 06:07 | mtompset | As per cait's suggestion. Read the cataloging chapter. |
| 06:07 | http://manual.koha-community.o[…]n/cataloging.html | |
| 06:08 | I think there is also confusion, cait, for non-library types. What's a bibliographic record vs. an item record vs. an authorities... | |
| 06:08 | wahanui | okay, mtompset. |
| 06:08 | mtompset | think? |
| 06:08 | there? | |
| 06:08 | wahanui | there is no spoon. or something like the second with holes like the first... or a patch from jared soemwhere removing some of the nozebra code or confusion, cait, for non-library types. What's a bibliographic record vs. an item record vs. an authorities... |
| 06:08 | Sneha | yes |
| 06:09 | mtompset | wahanui, forget there |
| 06:09 | wahanui | mtompset: I forgot there |
| 06:09 | Sneha | i have xml file |
| 06:09 | cait | I really think documentation is the best place to start here |
| 06:09 | Sneha | then i do import |
| 06:09 | i need just format | |
| 06:09 | cait | is your file marcxml? |
| 06:09 | Sneha | file format |
| 06:09 | cait | what kind of xml? |
| 06:10 | mtompset | marcxml? |
| 06:10 | wahanui | marcxml is a representation of the usmarc in xml |
| 06:10 | cait | you want MARC21 |
| 06:10 | the spec is here | |
| 06:10 | http://loc.gov/marc | |
| 06:10 | mtompset | marc21? |
| 06:10 | wahanui | well, marc21 is at http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]hic/ecbdlist.html , http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ecadlist.html |
| 06:10 | Sneha | Onlt .XML |
| 06:10 | Only .XML | |
| 06:11 | cait | yes, xml is a format, but it depends how your data is structured within the xml |
| 06:13 | Sneha | can in send u file format ? |
| 06:13 | mtompset | irc logs? |
| 06:13 | wahanui | irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 06:13 | Sneha | can i send u file format ? |
| 06:15 | ?? | |
| 06:17 | mtompset | Sneha, please... go read the documentation. I think you will discover that what you are trying to do is more complex that we can describe on the channel here. |
| 06:18 | http://manual.koha-community.o[…]n/cataloging.html | |
| 06:18 | items is library-speak for books. | |
| 06:19 | * mtompset | is surprised how much more enjoyable documentation writing is becoming. |
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| 06:36 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:40 | reiveune joined #koha | |
| 06:40 | reiveune | re |
| 06:42 | mtompset | Greetings, reiveune. |
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| 06:58 | francharb | hello |
| 06:58 | mtompset | Greetings, francharb |
| 06:58 | Greetings, matts | |
| 06:59 | matts | hi ! |
| 06:59 | mtompset | Greetings, laurence |
| 06:59 | I'm working on documentation. What fun are you having today? :) | |
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| 07:09 | laurence | hello mtompset |
| 07:10 | * mtompset | grins. |
| 07:10 | mtompset | Salut? (is that valid French?) |
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| 07:14 | mtompset | Ah, it must be morning in France. :) |
| 07:14 | julian_m | hello |
| 07:14 | wahanui | privet, julian_m |
| 07:14 | julian_m | yes mtompset :) |
| 07:14 | mtompset | Greetings, asaurat. Greetings, julian_m. |
| 07:15 | Well, I hope you all have productive days. I'm not sure how productive my writing documentation is. | |
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| 07:20 | rangi | evening |
| 07:20 | mtompset | Evening, rangi |
| 07:32 | magnuse | morning #koha |
| 07:33 | dcook_away | morning/evening everyone |
| 07:34 | mtompset | Greetings, dcook |
| 07:42 | dcook | Hey mtompset. Having a rough time of it? |
| 07:42 | mtompset | Almost through the INSTALL.ubuntu file. |
| 07:42 | Editing is such a pain! | |
| 07:44 | rangi | try editing statutory declarations |
| 07:44 | mtompset | Good thing I'm running through this. There are sections that say things without explaining them. |
| 07:44 | * rangi | finished what is hopefully the last one i ever have to do today |
| 07:45 | mtompset | $ zebraidx -c <prefix>/etc/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg -g iso2709 -d biblios init |
| 07:45 | There should be some sort of comment explaining what <prefix> is. | |
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| 08:01 | rangi | heya eythian |
| 08:01 | wahanui | somebody said eythian was in NZ. ;) or a good influence |
| 08:02 | eythian | g'day |
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| 08:09 | mtompset | AT LAST! DONE! -- Bad news... I have to test it. |
| 08:11 | paul_p | good morning #koha |
| 08:11 | mtompset | Good day to you as well, paul_p. :) |
| 08:16 | dcook | Bon matin, paul_p |
| 08:17 | and congrats, mtompset. Sorry that there's the testing now :p | |
| 08:18 | mtompset | At least it should go well enough, if I've written the instructions well enough. |
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| 08:18 | dcook | Let's hope so :) |
| 08:18 | * mtompset | switches off thinking and turns on "follow the words on the page only". |
| 08:21 | mtompset | Hopefully, the test will be done in 2 hours. |
| 08:22 | kf | hi #koha |
| 08:22 | dcook | hi kf |
| 08:22 | mtompset | Greetings, kf. |
| 08:22 | magnuse | guten tag kf |
| 08:23 | kf | :) |
| 08:24 | eythian | hello kf |
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| 08:35 | * dcook | pokes rangi |
| 08:35 | eythian | to see if he's done? |
| 08:35 | rangi | heh |
| 08:36 | dcook | How else will I know? :p |
| 08:37 | mtompset | finger, meat thermometer, or trident? ;) |
| 08:37 | dcook | USB? |
| 08:37 | I'm hoping to download his Koha knowledge | |
| 08:37 | * mtompset | grins. |
| 08:37 | mtompset | Low memory... Netbook grunting badly. |
| 08:37 | * mtompset | decides to go to shut down. |
| 08:37 | waves. | |
| 08:38 | dcook | 'night |
| 08:39 | kf | morning eythian :) |
| 08:49 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #102 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 08:49 | * dcook | calls it a night as well |
| 08:49 | rangi | cya dcook |
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| 08:58 | * eythian | publishes the correct version of 3.8.3 packages... |
| 09:07 | kf | yay :) |
| 09:14 | magnuse | eythian++ |
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| 09:29 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 09:53 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #102: SUCCESS in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/102/ |
| 09:53 | nengard: Bug 8453: Add spaces to inventory options | |
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| 10:09 | eythian | > ALTER TABLE old_issues CHANGE date_due date_due datetime |
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| 10:09 | eythian | this takes a very long time to run on a 3.6->3.8 upgrade |
| 10:09 | rangi | yup |
| 10:10 | eythian | to the point of "gateway timeout" |
| 10:12 | oh no, then it does: ALTER TABLE old_issues CHANGE returndate returndate datetime | |
| 10:13 | I wonder if it'd be faster if they were one statement | |
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| 10:15 | rangi | probably, would only have to create the temporary table once |
| 10:15 | mtompset | There would be no gateway timeout, if there was STDOUT dumped back to the browser. |
| 10:15 | Progress bars are nice things. | |
| 10:15 | pain to implement well, but nice. | |
| 10:15 | eythian | Sounds like you're volunteering to ajaxify the upgrade process :) |
| 10:16 | mtompset | Hey, I wouldn't go that far. :P |
| 10:16 | I'm sticking to things I can do right now, like documentation. | |
| 10:17 | I'm doing a test run of my improvements to INSTALL.ubuntu for precise. | |
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| 10:21 | mtompset | I've almost finished an Ubuntu 12.04 server install with NO selections. |
| 10:21 | Then I'll be doing something that will make jcamins very happy, I'll be using debian.k-c.org's repos. | |
| 10:23 | eythian | yeah, it has the extra modules in it |
| 10:23 | mtompset | since I will be installing 3.8.3, it will likely be necessary. |
| 10:23 | And it is part of the isntructions. | |
| 10:23 | instructions, even. | |
| 10:24 | Though, I did note it wasn't necessary for 3.6.7 ;) | |
| 10:24 | eythian | oh no, then it does the same thing again for another column. |
| 10:24 | yeah, dependencies change over time | |
| 10:35 | * mtompset | is off to test his auto-join command. |
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| 10:37 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. Test is a success. YAY! Now if only this install would finish. :) |
| 10:38 | kf_lunch | biblibre++ for fixing bugs .) |
| 10:38 | eythian | oh wow, a 4th alter table :/ |
| 10:38 | that _really_ should have been made one statement | |
| 10:38 | * eythian | goes to lunch while that runs |
| 10:38 | kf_lunch | what are you looking at? |
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| 10:56 | mtompset | I think some update tables as part of an upgrade process. |
| 11:17 | eythian | kf_lunch: it does 4 or so ALTER TABLE operations on old_issues when you go 3.6->3.8 |
| 11:17 | jcamins | Yeah, I noticed how painful it was. |
| 11:17 | eythian | They take a very long time as it requires a table copy. My theory is that if they were done in one statement, it would only have one copy, not several |
| 11:21 | mtompset | Greetings, jcamins. |
| 11:21 | I'm about to issue commands I don't like. :P | |
| 11:21 | echo "deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha-community.list | |
| 11:22 | jcamins | Good idea. |
| 11:23 | mtompset | I'm doing this for testing purposes. |
| 11:24 | Hmm... this next command didn't wiork. | |
| 11:24 | wget -O- http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/gpg.asc | apt-key add - | |
| 11:24 | jcamins | | sudo apt-key add - |
| 11:24 | eythian: did someone tell you that the 3.8.3 package had 3.8.2 in it? | |
| 11:24 | eythian | jcamins: that's why there's a 3.8.3.1 package out |
| 11:25 | mtompset | Oops... typo. Good thing the instructions are right. |
| 11:25 | jcamins | eythian: I guess that'd be a yess. :) |
| 11:25 | *yes | |
| 11:25 | eythian | yep :) |
| 11:27 | mtompset | I was running as root, so no need for sudo. |
| 11:27 | I typed apt-get instead of apt-key. | |
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| 11:31 | davidnind | Good practice for linux server administration is to use sudo with a designated user account, rather than root (so I have been told) |
| 11:32 | mtompset | echo "deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main" > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha-community.list |
| 11:32 | How would you do that with a sudo? | |
| 11:33 | jcamins | I'm not sure, actually. |
| 11:33 | I think probably sudo sh -e 'echo ...' | |
| 11:33 | mtompset | echo "deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main" | sudo cat - > /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha-community.list |
| 11:33 | Can cat work that way? | |
| 11:34 | eythian | no |
| 11:34 | jcamins | No, you're still using the shell to write the file. |
| 11:35 | mtompset | because sudo sh -e is ugly. |
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| 11:36 | rangi | mtompset: tee not cat |
| 11:36 | mtompset | And yes, davidnind, you are right. But I don't want to write ugly, complex instructions. |
| 11:37 | rangi | and now im going to sleep |
| 11:37 | mtompset | tee... that may do it. |
| 11:38 | eythian | it will, that's what I use for that sort of thing |
| 11:39 | mtompset | Well, there we go... cleaner instructions! |
| 11:41 | I'm working on INSTALL.ubuntu.12.04, jcamins. | |
| 11:41 | The instructions. | |
| 11:41 | wahanui | the instructions are coming right now to the wiki near you |
| 11:42 | davidnind | Depending on who your audience is for the instructions, encouraging good practice would be recommended, especially for people new to Linux and/or Koha :) |
| 11:43 | drojf1 | hi #koha |
| 11:43 | mtompset | I'm trying to update the INSTALL.ubuntu for 12.04 and make sure there are enough details that someone not quite familiar with linux should be able to follow it. |
| 11:43 | davidnind | Writing clearer step by step install instructions is also encouraged mtompset++ |
| 11:45 | mtompset | 1.2 Add koha repository to your apt sources |
| 11:45 | NOTE: This is not required for koha 3.6.7 under Ubuntu 12.04 | |
| 11:45 | if Zebra indexing (see step 5.2) is done via cron jobs. | |
| 11:45 | Had to add that purist comment in there. :) | |
| 11:48 | davidnind | Will test for you if you like, probably over the next day or so though |
| 11:49 | mtompset | just a second... |
| 11:51 | email or DCC SEND? | |
| 11:51 | It's about 5K more than the old version. :) | |
| 11:52 | I also tried to keep lines to 65 characters wide, except for command-lines and sample outputs. | |
| 11:52 | jcamins | mtompset: best to attach it to a bug, so that people other than davidnind can test it if they so choose. |
| 11:52 | mtompset | true... |
| 11:53 | davidnind | What jcamins said |
| 11:57 | mtompset | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8478 |
| 11:58 | I'm hoping to obsolete tcohen's other attachment too, but it is getting late in the day. | |
| 11:59 | Feel free to also give feedback on http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu | |
| 12:03 | davidnind | Will look at both and provide some feedback |
| 12:03 | mtompset | I should probably add the external repo evilness into the wiki version. |
| 12:05 | * jcamins | scares everyone away with PQF. |
| 12:05 | mtompset | Why does that kind of searching scare people? |
| 12:05 | davidnind | PQF? |
| 12:06 | magnuse | PQF is Prefix Query Format |
| 12:06 | PQF? | |
| 12:06 | wahanui | i guess PQF is Prefix Query Format |
| 12:07 | jcamins | mtompset: The queries are horrifying to behold? |
| 12:07 | davidnind | Still not any wiser |
| 12:08 | jcamins | davidnind: pqf=@attr 3=1 @attr 5=102 @attr 2=3 @attr 1=9952 "branch|20120[67]" |
| 12:08 | * jcamins | thinks that's pretty horrifying to behold. |
| 12:08 | * magnuse | agrees |
| 12:09 | davidnind | Is that like boolean seaching, only worse? |
| 12:09 | jcamins | It's a particular query syntax. |
| 12:10 | davidnind | Or something in the perl code |
| 12:10 | mtompset | http://www.indexdata.com/zebra[…]ery-languages-pqf |
| 12:10 | jcamins | It's a query syntax. Nothing to do with Perl. |
| 12:10 | It's used by Zebra. | |
| 12:10 | * magnuse | thinks it's time we threw old "library tech" on the dung heap of history and adopted tech solutions that are used by others too |
| 12:11 | mtompset | http://www.indexdata.com/yaz/doc/tools.html#PQF |
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| 12:11 | davidnind | Am now wiser, but don't think it is something mere mortals like me would use |
| 12:12 | mtompset | We are... solr is newer. :) |
| 12:12 | jcamins | davidnind: right, that's my point. No one wants to use PQF. |
| 12:12 | drojf | i do |
| 12:12 | jcamins | Other than drojf. |
| 12:12 | :P | |
| 12:12 | * drojf | just wanted to say something |
| 12:12 | drojf | :D |
| 12:12 | jcamins | magnuse: yeah, but we have to support an equivalent. |
| 12:13 | drojf | and i don't want to sit next to our patrons and do all their searches |
| 12:14 | jcamins | (where equivalent = something that can do as much, not something that is as horrifying) |
| 12:15 | * mtompset | goes, "AAAAAAWWWWWWW! Can't we get both?" |
| 12:15 | grins. | |
| 12:16 | jcamins | mtompset: well, thanks to Z39.50 being entrenched for ILL, yeah, we do need both. |
| 12:16 | mtompset | inter-library loan? |
| 12:16 | kf | yes :) |
| 12:16 | * kf | waves |
| 12:17 | mtompset | ILL? |
| 12:17 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 12:17 | mtompset | wahanui doesn't know that? |
| 12:17 | wahanui | mtompset: i don't know |
| 12:17 | jcamins | ILL is Inter-Library Loan |
| 12:17 | mtompset | ILL is Inter-Library Loan. |
| 12:17 | magnuse | ill? |
| 12:17 | wahanui | it has been said that ill is Inter-Library Loan |
| 12:18 | magnuse | w00t |
| 12:18 | drojf | and zebra is ill too |
| 12:18 | mtompset | nah, zebra is sick and phat. ;) |
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| 12:20 | magnuse | kia ora paul_p |
| 12:20 | paul_p | hello magnuse |
| 12:20 | magnuse | is this a good time to show up for work, eh? ;-) |
| 12:20 | mtompset | what's kia ora? I suppose ora means hour. |
| 12:20 | * magnuse | scoffs |
| 12:21 | magnuse | mtompset: a maori greeting ;-) |
| 12:21 | mtompset | He was here around 8ish before. |
| 12:21 | well, Paris time that is. | |
| 12:21 | magnuse | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kia_ora |
| 12:22 | mtompset: those of us who were lucky enough to go on the road trip in nz in 2010 were taught to shout it at the top of our voices at all times ;-) | |
| 12:23 | mtompset | Ah. |
| 12:24 | kf | magnuse: *sigh* |
| 12:24 | mtompset | BTW, could you decode your PQF query for us? pqf=@attr 3=1 @attr 5=102 @attr 2=3 @attr 1=9952 "branch|20120[67]" |
| 12:25 | jcamins | mtompset: it's quite straightforward, really. "Find records with index 9952 matching the left-anchored regular expression 'branch|20120[67]'" |
| 12:26 | eythian | magnuse: it's just how we speak |
| 12:26 | magnuse | eythian: ;-) |
| 12:28 | jcamins | mtompset: my point was, it's very unpleasant to try to come up with queries like that. |
| 12:29 | mtompset | But what is index 9952? How does this relate to some table in some database? |
| 12:29 | jcamins | It does not relate to the database at all. |
| 12:29 | That's an index I invented which consists of branch|acquisition-date | |
| 12:30 | mtompset | Then what are the 1, 102, and 3 parts? |
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| 12:31 | jcamins | Left-anchored, regular expression, and equals. |
| 12:32 | oleonard | Hi all |
| 12:32 | mtompset | that's an ugly way to have something more like: create index on branch+acquisition date tag BLAH; set order to BLAH; seek "branch201206" |
| 12:33 | jcamins | mtompset: that was my point. |
| 12:33 | mtompset: you still haven't subscribed to the Koha mailing list, have you? | |
| 12:33 | You really should. | |
| 12:33 | mtompset | I did. |
| 12:33 | I have decided to ignore a lot of it. :) | |
| 12:34 | why? | |
| 12:34 | jcamins | I just sent an e-mail to it about how ugly that query was. |
| 12:39 | ... speaking of mailing lists. | |
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| 12:45 | mtompset | I just read it. |
| 12:45 | I was working on Documentation all day. Avoided email. | |
| 12:46 | Okay... dumb question... is koha-latest.tar.gz correct? | |
| 12:47 | eythian | try it and find out? |
| 12:50 | kf | kohaversion.pl should tell you |
| 12:51 | mtompset | okay, I'll just wait for the download first. |
| 12:57 | The directory name says 3.8.3 ... waiting for extraction... | |
| 12:58 | tcohen | hi mtompset |
| 12:58 | mtompset | Greetings, tcohen. |
| 12:58 | I've attached my latest version to the bug report. | |
| 12:58 | I'm in the midst of testing the instructions. | |
| 12:58 | tcohen | i ddidn't ahve the time to read it yet |
| 12:59 | did you rewrite them? | |
| 12:59 | mtompset | It's 5K longer than yours. :) |
| 12:59 | tcohen | my english is not the best |
| 12:59 | mtompset | I reformatted, changed a few things. |
| 12:59 | Don't worry, there weren't any glaring English problems. | |
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| 13:00 | mtompset | I still have some tweaks. |
| 13:00 | * mtompset | wonders if he posted the tee version. |
| 13:01 | goes, "Whew! I did" | |
| 13:01 | * tcohen | thinks aptitude does not ship anymore with Ubuntu |
| 13:01 | mtompset | It does. |
| 13:02 | tcohen | out-of-the-box? |
| 13:02 | mtompset | It does. |
| 13:02 | tcohen | that's weird |
| 13:02 | as it breaks multiarch | |
| 13:02 | eythian | I don't think it does any more |
| 13:02 | tcohen | maybe its been patched |
| 13:02 | eythian | I have multiarch with aptitude |
| 13:02 | mtompset | sounds like someone needs a apt-get update. ;) |
| 13:03 | apt-file, on the other hand, needs to be installed. | |
| 13:03 | eythian | yeah |
| 13:03 | mtompset | Seems kind of dumb to me. |
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| 13:05 | tcohen | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubu[…]itude/+bug/831768 |
| 13:06 | mtompset | Anyways, I'm on step 1.5.2 -- DOH! found some typos. |
| 13:06 | my fault, of course. :( | |
| 13:07 | tcohen | mtompset, I like the changes you've made |
| 13:07 | mtompset | What I'd like to do to it next is restructure it so that the wiki and it line up more. |
| 13:08 | tcohen | i must say that I thought of having a version of these files in the 3.6.x tree and this one in master/3.8.x |
| 13:08 | i mean, not a single file for all versions | |
| 13:09 | and my main goal was that the preferred - default install | |
| 13:10 | because the instructions where very confusing | |
| 13:10 | eythian | mtompset: only developers really use apt-file |
| 13:10 | mtompset | Yes, but if you want to easily check for missing libraries, apt-file is useful. |
| 13:10 | tcohen | When I first rewrote the wiki, I wanted to write something average users could copy and paste in their terminal |
| 13:11 | mtompset | When I say wiki, I mean http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu |
| 13:11 | When I say document, I mean INSTALL.ubuntu.12.04 (my attachment on your bug) | |
| 13:12 | tcohen | yes, I know |
| 13:12 | I'm not talking about something specific | |
| 13:12 | i'm just pointing out where my efforts are directed | |
| 13:13 | or have been | |
| 13:13 | mtompset | I have thought of 3.6 on 10.04 and 3.6 on 12.04 and 3.8 on 10.04 and 3.8 on 12.04, but that's FOUR documents. |
| 13:14 | The problems you encounter in 12.04 are likely to be similar regardless of Koha version. | |
| 13:14 | Similarly for 10.04. | |
| 13:17 | And the corruption begins... | |
| 13:19 | well, I know the adding a repo worked. I saw it pull from the debian.k-c. org repo. | |
| 13:20 | tcohen | I added the repo so it pulls some .deb's that are there |
| 13:22 | mtompset | I was tempted to cut out the koha_perl_deps.pl step, because logically if you have the repo, then you should get everything. |
| 13:22 | eythian | no, you're assuming everyone will follow instructions 100%, which they won't. |
| 13:22 | Keeping that in will at least provide a safety net in case they mess up somewhere. | |
| 13:24 | mtompset | typos, I get. |
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| 13:24 | mtompset | but not following the instructions?! |
| 13:24 | mveron | Hi #koha |
| 13:24 | eythian | mtompset: have you met people? |
| 13:25 | mtompset | yes, but when you don't know what you are doing, you are supposed to follow the instructions. |
| 13:26 | eythian | Indeed you are. |
| 13:26 | That doesn't mean people will however | |
| 13:26 | Or that they'll do it correctly. | |
| 13:26 | mtompset | Well, that's true. I encountered a typo in my doing it: apt-get instead of apt-key. |
| 13:27 | drojf | hi mveron |
| 13:27 | mveron | hi drojf |
| 13:28 | kf | is someone translating the KOCT plugin into German? |
| 13:29 | mveron | hi kf :-) |
| 13:29 | mtompset | I don't speak or write German. So, I don't know. |
| 13:29 | mveron | I will have a lok at it this evening |
| 13:29 | look | |
| 13:30 | drojf | mtompset: i thought you work for SIL, don't you people speak all languages? :P |
| 13:30 | * mtompset | laughs. |
| 13:30 | mtompset | Sorry, I only speak English. I dabble in Filipino. |
| 13:31 | drojf | kf: mveron: i have not looked at it yet |
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| 13:31 | kf | wb paul_p |
| 13:32 | paul_p_ | well, it's paul_p_ for now ;-) |
| 13:33 | drojf | eythian: do i understand that correctly that you are suggesting to have 1) the option to use x-forward-for 2) the option to specify what you expect to be remote_addr (your proxy) and x-forward-for (user's ip) when using x-forward-for? |
| 13:34 | eythian | drojf: well, I'm more just chucking out ideas. |
| 13:34 | though, I'd probably merge 1 and 2. | |
| 13:35 | drojf | yes, i did that with "use ip address" too because i was afraid of paul_p_ coming after me for too many sysprefs ;) |
| 13:35 | eythian | heh |
| 13:36 | * mtompset | smirks, "wb -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPaed8I3V1A -- Welcome Back, Kotter" |
| 13:37 | drojf | eythian: but that sounds like a good idea. i'll let this open a little, don't know when i have time to implement that. maybe others have more input on it |
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| 13:40 | eythian | drojf: sure, it's your patch, and doing it just based on apache is a good start. |
| 13:41 | mtompset | what patch? where patch? |
| 13:43 | drojf | mtompset: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8492 |
| 13:44 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 13:45 | drojf | eythian: what about using Data::Validate::IP? it sounds like the perfect module for this. would i just say "alright, i use this", are dependencies discussed somewhere first or how does that work? |
| 13:47 | eythian | drojf: In general, we don't change dependencies in a release unless it can't be helped, but otherwise it doesn't matter all that much. Just put it in the appropriate place. |
| 13:47 | Though, it doesn't look like it handles ranges does it? | |
| 13:47 | so 192.168.0.1/24 or something wouldn't work? | |
| 13:47 | drojf | it does |
| 13:47 | eythian | oh, so it does |
| 13:48 | I just hadn't read far enough | |
| 13:48 | looks perfect really | |
| 13:48 | drojf | the network part is one that i would like to use actually, because i would be way too lazy to do that myself ;) |
| 13:48 | lime | @seen jcamins_away |
| 13:49 | tcohen | apache should be configured to use <VirtualHost *:80/8080> |
| 13:49 | eythian | yeah, definitely. |
| 13:49 | tcohen | no guessing |
| 13:49 | eythian | lime: huginn appears to be missing. |
| 13:49 | tcohen: ? | |
| 13:49 | lime | still sleeping? |
| 13:50 | eythian | dunno |
| 13:50 | vanished offline | |
| 13:50 | tcohen | ? |
| 13:50 | lime | /etc/init.d/hugin restart |
| 13:50 | drojf | ? |
| 13:50 | lime | that didn't work :) |
| 13:50 | drojf | heh |
| 13:50 | eythian | no :) |
| 13:51 | tcohen: I just don't know the context behind what you're saying about apache there | |
| 13:52 | tcohen | hehe I was discussing with a fellow about that |
| 13:52 | i just wrote in the wrong window | |
| 13:52 | mtompset | Ah. |
| 13:52 | eythian | ah, good old wrongwindow.com |
| 13:52 | tcohen | was talking about the default setup |
| 13:52 | eythian | oh, that site used to exist :( |
| 13:53 | mtompset | I was going to say if you are going to use named servers, you want them probably separate. |
| 13:53 | not to mention the OPAC and Intranet stuff point to different dirs. | |
| 13:53 | tcohen | name-based virtualhosts are what most people use |
| 13:54 | mtompset | That way you only have one port open on your machine. :) |
| 13:55 | * mtompset | grumbles about the pain of waiting for the dselect to finish. |
| 13:56 | tcohen | Name-based virtual hosts handle different ports too |
| 13:56 | mtompset | It looks like a late night, just to make sure this documentation is right. |
| 13:56 | tcohen | it depends on your NameVirtualHost definitions |
| 13:56 | mtompset | Yes, but if you are a paranoid security freak, you don't want to have many ports open. |
| 13:57 | Especially in countries that have higher piracy rates. :) | |
| 13:57 | * mveron | just (experimentally) managed to have a German translation with Swiss Orthography with ss instead of ß (Strasse / Straße) :-) |
| 13:58 | tcohen | mtompset: we could encourage users to set ufw properly in Ubuntu |
| 13:58 | eythian | mtompset: it's easier to firewall if you split things up by port. |
| 13:58 | mtompset | Or you get behind a reverse proxy, and set that up right. :) |
| 13:59 | drojf | good luck getting my patch to work for you then ;) |
| 13:59 | eythian | yes, that's what I would do. |
| 13:59 | heh | |
| 13:59 | mtompset | firewall settings is surely beyond the scope of instructions for installation. |
| 14:00 | eythian | definitely |
| 14:01 | * tcohen | thinks the apache stuff is still complicate for the average librarian |
| 14:01 | eythian | tbh, I kinda wish instructions could be written such that it assumed you had knowledge of how a server worked: I don't think people who don't know that should be setting up servers. It's like driving when you can barely walk. |
| 14:02 | That isn't how the world works, alas. | |
| 14:02 | tcohen | eythian, I agree |
| 14:02 | but... | |
| 14:02 | here in Cordoba we help a lot of small community libraries | |
| 14:03 | popular libraries, that just have a librarian | |
| 14:03 | and managed to get koha installed in their 2003 dated desktop | |
| 14:03 | maybe its beyond the scope of this docs, thou | |
| 14:03 | (the use case I mean) | |
| 14:05 | wizzyrea | we could have a wiki page of "server set up best practices" and refer to it |
| 14:05 | tcohen | wizzyrea: agree! |
| 14:05 | wizzyrea | i.e. "need more help with this step? see this link" |
| 14:06 | it might be less annoying to maintain that (things that don't change often) separately from the documentation that *does* change pretty often. | |
| 14:06 | things like the apache config, and firewall rules | |
| 14:06 | mtompset | Actually, installation instructions shouldn't change much, but the person needs to have some basics. |
| 14:07 | wizzyrea | when I say "pretty often" i mean, it changes more often than "how do I configure a vhost in apache" |
| 14:07 | * mtompset | nods |
| 14:07 | eythian | The difficulty is that it starts depending on how their network is set up etc. etc. |
| 14:07 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 14:08 | eythian | and how you do things like add DNS entries |
| 14:08 | mtompset | I was thinking of splitting the Koha_on_Ubuntu page. |
| 14:08 | eythian | which is really difficult to explain sometimes :) |
| 14:08 | wizzyrea | yes, it certainly is |
| 14:08 | * wizzyrea | explains DNS to librarians all the time |
| 14:08 | wizzyrea | (I really do, at least once a week) |
| 14:08 | mtompset | how is editing a file hard to explain? |
| 14:09 | Or are we talking setting up something externally? | |
| 14:09 | wizzyrea | "what do I use to edit the file?" "how do I save it?" "do I have to do this on the command line?" |
| 14:09 | ^^ all questions we get pretty often | |
| 14:09 | mtompset | Oh the "I can't believe you have a computer to use" type questions. |
| 14:09 | wizzyrea | and let's not even get into the editor holy words |
| 14:09 | holy wars* | |
| 14:10 | mtompset | you mean vi vs. emacs vs... nano? |
| 14:10 | wizzyrea | yea, but as much as I'd like to say "go learn it and come back, nub" the truth is everyone starts somewhere |
| 14:10 | yesterday's nub is today's expert. | |
| 14:10 | eythian | Usually at the deep end though |
| 14:10 | mtompset | true enough. |
| 14:11 | 3.2.0.27?! | |
| 14:11 | wizzyrea | some people do ok starting in the deep end. :) |
| 14:11 | mtompset | When did .27 come out? |
| 14:11 | wizzyrea | sometime after 3.2 |
| 14:11 | mtompset | ha ha. |
| 14:12 | wizzyrea | ;) |
| 14:12 | eythian | wizzyrea: yeah, but many, many don't |
| 14:12 | mtompset | and then they teach others bad habits. :) |
| 14:12 | wizzyrea | right, and those are the people who need assistance |
| 14:12 | mtompset | sudo su - |
| 14:12 | and then do everything. ;) | |
| 14:13 | wizzyrea | at the very least, we need to find some good basic tutorials on best practice |
| 14:13 | drojf | kf mveron that koct translation is tiny. i made it by accident while looking at the file :D |
| 14:13 | wizzyrea | that we can refer people to |
| 14:13 | so if you know of some | |
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| 14:17 | paul_p_ | entering "pushing bugs that passed QA" mode... |
| 14:17 | eythian | fact for today: Cleopatra lived closer chronologically to the moon landing than to the building of the pyramids. |
| 14:18 | paul_p_ | hey ! eythian ! you break a myth ! |
| 14:18 | ;-) | |
| 14:18 | eythian | which myth? |
| 14:19 | trea | if you have an imported patron with an dateexpiry value, but the patron category they belonged to has an enrollment period, which is going to take precedence? |
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| 14:19 | trea | is it a "whichever expires first" kind of situation? |
| 14:19 | paul_p_ | eythian well, not sure which one in fact |
| 14:19 | eythian | trea: that's what I would expect, but I don't know for sure |
| 14:19 | wizzyrea | what happens if a patron's expiry is beyond the hard date in the category? |
| 14:20 | do they expire with their category? | |
| 14:20 | or on the date in their record? | |
| 14:20 | * paul_p_ | is not sure too |
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| 14:22 | drojf | if you set a date for the patron that should take precedence over the general category rule. no idea if that is the case though |
| 14:22 | mtompset | Sounds like a call for a www::mechanized testing for this case. ;) |
| 14:22 | That reminds me... I found my library card from when I was in highschool. | |
| 14:23 | They expire them every two years. :( | |
| 14:23 | drojf | hmm cannot test koct because the symbol goes in a toolbar that i have hidden in a way that i do not remember |
| 14:23 | eythian | drojf: you can usually re-enable them from the menus |
| 14:23 | or are you using pentadactyl? | |
| 14:24 | drojf | no, i made it differently. i think some userfile, because it kept reappearing |
| 14:24 | eythian | if so: :set guioptions+=mT |
| 14:24 | oh right | |
| 14:25 | I'd just create a new default profile | |
| 14:25 | drojf | ah yes that would be easy :) |
| 14:25 | mtompset | No no... do it the hard way... it's more character building. ;) |
| 14:29 | drojf | hm no, there is just no button |
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| 14:30 | mtompset | Oops... in my joy, I said "of course restart firefox." |
| 14:30 | There goes my chatzilla. | |
| 14:32 | oleonard | mtompset: http://chatzilla.rdmsoft.com/xulrunner/ |
| 14:32 | drojf | lol mtompset |
| 14:33 | but i did a restart of course, still nothing | |
| 14:34 | mtompset | Oh that's a cool idea! |
| 14:35 | No need to go through menus to check it and out. | |
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| 14:35 | mtompset | and then mass upload when you have time. |
| 14:36 | * mtompset | is still waiting for the dselect to finish. |
| 14:36 | mveron | drojf ++ (for the koct translation) |
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| 14:40 | kf | mveron++ :) |
| 14:40 | oh and drojf++ :) | |
| 14:41 | mveron: I think we will need a patch to Koha too - so that the language chooser works correctly | |
| 14:41 | mveron | kf: drojf did it! |
| 14:41 | kf | mveron: I am not sure how we want to do it - having a pull down for different german dialects will look interesting :) |
| 14:41 | drojf | where do we get the dialect translations from? |
| 14:41 | is swiss german done? :) | |
| 14:41 | kf | mveron will do de-CH |
| 14:43 | mtompset | Actually, the language choosing thing at the bottom is ugly. |
| 14:43 | drojf | i call that thing now "Koha Offline-Verbuchung", nicht verbuchungswerkzeug or something like that, any objections (besides not meeting the koct acronym)? |
| 14:43 | mveron | kf: We do first the German translation. Then I download the .po files, do a search/replace with tze sz stuff and some terms, then I rename the files to ch-DE and upload them on Pootle |
| 14:43 | kf | nope sounds perfect to me |
| 14:43 | that's what we call tools like that here | |
| 14:43 | Offline-Verbuchung | |
| 14:43 | drojf | ok fine |
| 14:43 | there was one thing, wait | |
| 14:43 | mtompset | Can we get pretty flags? |
| 14:43 | kf | mveron: yes, but when you install them, the language chooser will have a pull down for german, not a single link like now I think |
| 14:43 | drojf | what is a branchcode in the german translation? Zweig-Code sounds weird |
| 14:44 | kf | mveron: and the whole thing is based on some not so easy to understand database tables - so I think we need to teach it with a patch how to do that |
| 14:44 | drojf: depends, I normally use the database column names when the document refers to the database | |
| 14:44 | else I would use Bibliothek | |
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| 14:44 | kf | ah |
| 14:44 | Bibliothekscode? Bibliothekskürzel? | |
| 14:45 | drojf | i think i'll go with bibliothekscode |
| 14:46 | kürzel looks better, but i think its more clear that they need the actual code if i name it that way | |
| 14:46 | mtompset | oh come on! jcamins, the koha repository failed me. |
| 14:46 | kf | makes sense to me |
| 14:46 | mtompset | I thought all the dependencies were supposed to be listed. |
| 14:47 | drojf | The option "Apply directly" will directly apply your changes to Koha and should not be used usually. |
| 14:47 | wat? | |
| 14:47 | eythian | mtompset: what are you missing? |
| 14:48 | mveron | kf: If it would be a total other language, let's say Gryphnian, what would have to be done? |
| 14:48 | mtompset | Template::Plugin... something... |
| 14:48 | kf | hmmm what about klingon? |
| 14:48 | mveron | Ok, klingon |
| 14:48 | mtompset | Template::Plugin::HtmlToText |
| 14:49 | kf | mveron: I am not sure really, I only know that we have to add the code to the database probably - but we can try it out easily, rename the files and try to install - if it shows up ok, all good :) |
| 14:49 | drojf | lol @ gryphnian |
| 14:49 | eythian | mtompset: that is in the repo |
| 14:49 | * kf | votes for klingon |
| 14:49 | mtompset | Okay, then it is NOT in the packages file. |
| 14:49 | eythian | squeeze|main|i386: libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl 0.03-1koha1 |
| 14:49 | it is | |
| 14:50 | mtompset | like I said... the packages file is missing it. |
| 14:50 | eythian | oh wait, what packages file? |
| 14:50 | mtompset | install_misc/ubuntu.packages |
| 14:51 | eythian | right, that wasn't made with the koha repo in mind last I looked. |
| 14:51 | mtompset | That's why I had that little script the other day I was working on. |
| 14:51 | I got the file cleaned up for 3.6.7 | |
| 14:51 | It doesn't quite cut it for 3.8.3 | |
| 14:54 | I assume Test::Strict is in there too? | |
| 14:54 | eythian | No |
| 14:55 | Is it required? | |
| 14:55 | I didn't see it come up when I checked the deps yesterday | |
| 14:56 | mtompset | It's not required. |
| 14:56 | eythian | ah |
| 14:56 | maybe that's why it didn't come up | |
| 14:57 | oh wait, I thought you were talking about the repo | |
| 14:57 | I don't know if it's in the packages file or not | |
| 14:57 | mtompset | Sorry. The terminology is confusing. |
| 14:58 | Because the files I am complaining about are ubuntu.{version}.packages | |
| 14:58 | (or at least they will be once I submit my patch to master) | |
| 14:59 | mveron | kf: Worked! I have now two "Deutsch" in the language menu, one Deutsch (de-DE) and one Deutsch (de-CH) |
| 14:59 | kf | ah good |
| 14:59 | but de-DE looks a bit ugly :( | |
| 14:59 | eythian | Why does it have a language menu? Shouldn't it pick up the language settings from the browser? |
| 14:59 | kf | eythian: we want to switch languages - so you need a language chooser |
| 15:00 | mveron | KF: I think it is because I have now both Deutsch installed. |
| 15:00 | kf | mveron: maybe, not sure it's so clever |
| 15:00 | eythian | hmm, but it's a firefox plugin isn't it? |
| 15:00 | kf | eythian: not KOCT - Koha :) |
| 15:00 | eythian | ohh |
| 15:00 | as you were then :) | |
| 15:00 | mtompset | Yes, but what if you want to use a language different than your browser? |
| 15:00 | mveron | eythian: We are in a coutry with several languages, so we have to hae the possibility to switch independently from the browser's language |
| 15:01 | eythian | that seems weird. Surely if you want to change the language for one thing, you want to change it for everything in the browser? |
| 15:01 | mtompset | I still think Koha should have pretty flags, and then tooltip the codes. |
| 15:01 | mveron | ...oh, same answer with other wording from different people... :-) |
| 15:01 | reiveune | bye |
| 15:01 | eythian | yeah, I'm also confusing plugins with sites |
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| 15:02 | * mveron | has to head to a shop before it closes... |
| 15:02 | kf | mtompset: flags only work if one country = one language |
| 15:02 | eythian | though, people should have their browser set with their preferred languages anyway :) |
| 15:02 | kf | but for example spanish english and german are spoken in more than one |
| 15:02 | mtompset | Yes, but that's why you tooltip the codes. |
| 15:02 | kf | eythian: public computers |
| 15:02 | eythian: and switzerland has 3 official languages, I think norway has 2 | |
| 15:02 | eythian | spose |
| 15:02 | mtompset | put the german flag multiple times, different tool tips. |
| 15:03 | kf | and english exchange students |
| 15:03 | we at least want german and english available to everyone everywhere | |
| 15:03 | the language chooser is really an important element and browser detection not a good way to do it | |
| 15:04 | eythian | hmm. I think the better solution overall would be to make it easier to change in the browser, but that's outside the scope of Koha. |
| 15:04 | The browser has a neat thing for this | |
| 15:04 | kf | right |
| 15:04 | but people don't know how to change language settings in browsers | |
| 15:04 | and at the moment you can't deactivate english even if you wanted to | |
| 15:06 | eythian | e.g. my browser sends: Accept-Languagenl,en-gb;q=0.8,en-nz;q=0.6,en;q=0.4,en-us;q=0.2 |
| 15:06 | although en-nz should be 2nd not 3rd... | |
| 15:06 | kf | yeah, but the library can't deactivate english |
| 15:06 | jcamins | You can't deactivate English? |
| 15:07 | That's a problem. | |
| 15:07 | eythian | can you not untick it? |
| 15:07 | kf | yeah, but it will still fall back to it I think |
| 15:07 | rangi was complaining about it | |
| 15:07 | eythian | ah right |
| 15:07 | kf | I think one library wanted only maori |
| 15:07 | eythian | yeah, that rings a bell actually |
| 15:08 | although, I'd think it would only do that if the template file didn't exist. | |
| 15:09 | kf | not sure |
| 15:09 | I think it could overall work better | |
| 15:09 | but it works - so please don't break it :) | |
| 15:09 | eythian | it doesn't work all that well |
| 15:09 | if I switch to en-NZ things like news stop working | |
| 15:09 | as they only work with en. | |
| 15:10 | drojf | they do? |
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| 15:10 | eythian | yep. At least, they did in 3.6. |
| 15:10 | kf | there is a bug for that |
| 15:10 | they work for German | |
| 15:10 | eythian | yeah |
| 15:10 | drojf | heh i thought so |
| 15:10 | kf | I think it's a problem for subdivided languages |
| 15:10 | eythian | it is |
| 15:10 | kf | so that's why I think we need to do some testng for de-CH :) |
| 15:11 | eythian | you can only set the news for 'en', but it doesn't match that to 'en-NZ' |
| 15:11 | kf | not against it at all - only have to be a little careful adding it maybe |
| 15:11 | like being a bit worried about display | |
| 15:12 | mailing lists? | |
| 15:12 | wahanui | mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 15:13 | jcamins | mtompset: the Template... package isn't required for 3.6. |
| 15:14 | mtompset | I know, but it is for 3.8.3 |
| 15:14 | jcamins | The patch that adds it was rejected for 3.6.7 due to potential problems with dependencies. |
| 15:14 | kf | documentation? |
| 15:14 | wahanui | it has been said that documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/ |
| 15:14 | jcamins | And not having been tested. |
| 15:14 | I'd reeeeaaallllyyyyyyyy like to see it in 3.6.8, though. | |
| 15:14 | * kf | too |
| 15:14 | * jcamins | looks at kf significantly |
| 15:15 | kf | because then we can update transaltions again without manipulating template files |
| 15:15 | well, it's still only fixed for the cart | |
| 15:15 | and we need the same fix for the lists :( | |
| 15:15 | mtompset | what potential problem with dependencies? |
| 15:15 | Is there a bug report somewhere? | |
| 15:16 | jcamins | mtompset: that when I embargoed 3.6.7 it hadn't been packaged yet. |
| 15:16 | kf | search bugzilla for broken cart email I think |
| 15:16 | it shoudl be on that bug | |
| 15:16 | jcamins | The potential problem was the lack of libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl. |
| 15:16 | mtompset | But it does exist, if you add the repositories. |
| 15:17 | * mtompset | cringes. |
| 15:17 | jcamins | mtompset: *now* it does. |
| 15:17 | mtompset | Ah. |
| 15:17 | jcamins | 3.6.x has a one-month embargo. |
| 15:17 | mtompset | where you can't add dependencies. |
| 15:18 | when | |
| 15:18 | jcamins | No, you can add dependencies, but they have to be added more than a month before the planned release. |
| 15:19 | mtompset | Right. no adding dependencies at the last minute. |
| 15:19 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 15:19 | * jcamins | is a bit paranoid about this. |
| 15:21 | is a bit paranoid about a lot of things. | |
| 15:21 | jcamins | Which is why at some point he will adapt your script to be part of the release process. |
| 15:21 | mtompset | Would you like the newest version? |
| 15:22 | I added some extra fixes. | |
| 15:22 | jcamins | I'll wait until you have it working on 3.8.x and master. |
| 15:22 | :) | |
| 15:22 | It's also going to have to handle different versions of Ubuntu while running under Debian, which may be a challenge. | |
| 15:23 | mtompset | I don't think so. |
| 15:23 | I think the script is pretty non-OS specific. | |
| 15:23 | jcamins | Oh, *you* don't need it to. |
| 15:23 | But running under Debian, I want to be alerted about any potential problems with Lucid, or Precise. | |
| 15:24 | mtompset | "I don't think so" meant I don't think it would be a challenge. |
| 15:24 | jcamins | Oh. Excellent! |
| 15:24 | mtompset | I don't see anything in the script which would be OS specific to its running environment. |
| 15:25 | jcamins | Well, apt-file will have to use different databases, I imagine. |
| 15:25 | mtompset | Yes, but that is external to the script. |
| 15:25 | The script in its current state detects if apt-file is installed | |
| 15:25 | AND | |
| 15:25 | if you remembered to run apt-file update | |
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| 15:26 | mtompset | (at least once) |
| 15:27 | 50% through the install instructions... no major glitches. | |
| 15:27 | Just have to read, and pay attention. | |
| 15:27 | jcamins | Hehe. That's the hard part. |
| 15:27 | mtompset | Some of my external Wiki links are important. |
| 15:28 | jcamins | Oh, nice and easy. |
| 15:28 | Just use different sources.list files. | |
| 15:29 | slef | jcamins: ITYM sources.list.d files |
| 15:29 | eythian | slef: ITYM sources.list.d directories |
| 15:29 | (although probably not in this case, as it's for apt-file) | |
| 15:29 | jcamins | slef: apt-file has an argument for sources.list only. |
| 15:30 | mtompset | --sources-list | -s sources.list |
| 15:30 | Sets the sources.list file to a different value | |
| 15:31 | from its default /etc/apt/sources.list. | |
| 15:31 | jcamins | :) |
| 15:31 | Easy as pie. | |
| 15:31 | slef | sources.list.d files are usable as that I think |
| 15:31 | mtompset | Does that mean it doesn't check sources.list.d files?> |
| 15:31 | jcamins | mtompset: I think sources.list.d/* is included by sources.list? |
| 15:32 | No. | |
| 15:32 | Hm. | |
| 15:32 | Don't know what to make of that, then. | |
| 15:33 | mtompset | well, if I try to run my script on 3.8.3 |
| 15:33 | it should barf on things only in the k-c repo. | |
| 15:33 | well, say they are missing, not barf. | |
| 15:34 | and if it does, then I probably should add a loop in there for adding the other repos. | |
| 15:34 | jcamins | The man page mentions sources.list.d, so maybe it does check that? |
| 15:34 | wizzyrea | oleonard: your library is pretty awesome |
| 15:35 | oleonard | Oh yeah, who says? |
| 15:35 | wizzyrea | ME |
| 15:35 | :) | |
| 15:35 | mtompset | perhaps. |
| 15:35 | * wizzyrea | just saw that you have a big truck filled with gadgets in your parking lot |
| 15:35 | jcamins | mtompset: I just checked, and it uses sources.list.d, provided you don't specify -s |
| 15:35 | oleonard | Hah, yeah. wizzyrea's spy satellites come through again. |
| 15:35 | jcamins | o.O |
| 15:35 | * wizzyrea | flexes |
| 15:35 | mtompset | that's good. :) |
| 15:35 | wizzyrea | actually, someone posted it on facebook :P |
| 15:36 | oleonard | Facebook, spy satellites, same thing. |
| 15:36 | wizzyrea | keke |
| 15:36 | * libsysguy | goes to stalk oleonard on facebook |
| 15:36 | mtompset | libsysguy? |
| 15:36 | wahanui | libsysguy is probably Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck |
| 15:36 | oleonard | libsysguy: You'll have to stalk the Athens County Public Libraries to see what wizzyrea is seeing I think |
| 15:36 | libsysguy | heh |
| 15:36 | * wizzyrea | was following ACPL |
| 15:36 | mtompset | Is oleonard swedish? ;) |
| 15:37 | libsysguy | I don't think so |
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| 15:37 | libsysguy | omg oleonard you drive a Semi!?!?! |
| 15:37 | oleonard | wizzyrea: I hope the "digital bookmobile" helps some patrons, but I have the same mixed feelings about it that I have about ebooks in general |
| 15:38 | wizzyrea | yep, it's the same as how I feel about the statewide service here |
| 15:38 | libsysguy | fwiw Anna gets really excited that she can checkout ebooks |
| 15:38 | magnuse | hm, you'd think a *digital* bookmobile would look less physical, perhaps? ;-) |
| 15:38 | oleonard | Overdrive sponsors the on-site training in order to encourage libraries to sign up, so it's all profit-driven |
| 15:38 | libsysguy | book mobile on SL? |
| 15:40 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 15:42 | mtompset | 53% through the installation document. |
| 15:42 | I am so skipping uninstalling and upgrading. :) | |
| 15:53 | sudo make install | |
| 15:53 | FINALLY! | |
| 15:55 | eythian | jcamins: do you think we should tell mtompset that there are packages that work on Ubuntu too? ;) |
| 15:56 | mtompset | you mean the koha-common? |
| 15:56 | eythian | Yeah :) |
| 15:56 | kf | eythian: ah no, that would be mean after all his work :) |
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| 15:57 | vfernandes | hi guys |
| 15:57 | mtompset | by the way, are those referenced in the wiki somewhere? |
| 15:57 | eythian | yeah |
| 15:57 | drojf | digital book mobile? i picture an access point on a radio controlled car and have drive-by downloads |
| 15:57 | eythian | mtompset: see the top of the koha on ubuntu page. |
| 15:58 | wizzyrea | haha I like that drojf |
| 15:58 | like the google street view of mobile downloads | |
| 15:58 | eythian | find open network shares on open wifi networks and uploads stuff to them as it goes past? |
| 15:58 | drojf | or, well, it's 2012, maybe an ebook drone |
| 15:58 | wizzyrea | yea pretty much ;) |
| 15:59 | vfernandes | i'm having 1 problem... the system preference dontmerge is set to "Do" but when I change one authority, the data in the records don't change |
| 15:59 | wizzyrea | an ebook drone would be cool too, except for the bombing innocents thing. |
| 15:59 | mtompset | sorry, but Quick start loses me. |
| 16:00 | vfernandes | i'm doing something wrong? |
| 16:00 | drojf | bombing with knowledge! |
| 16:01 | eythian | mtompset: it's easier in practice than what you're doing, I expect. |
| 16:01 | mtompset | perhaps... except, how would that work behind a reverse proxy? |
| 16:01 | eythian | very easily |
| 16:02 | you just set it up exactly the way you normally would, perhaps with some internal names, and point the proxy to it | |
| 16:02 | mtompset | the domain name and everything would be the same? |
| 16:02 | jcamins | vfernandes: I don't think authority merging works. |
| 16:02 | eythian | well, you can always change them after installation |
| 16:02 | just tweaking the apache config | |
| 16:03 | About half of my installations are behind a reverse proxy I think. | |
| 16:07 | jcamins | I don't see how there's any difference between going through all the installation manually and using the packages, except the first way takes a whole bunch of steps and manual work, and the second doesn't. |
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| 16:08 | mtompset | Well, there still are config steps. |
| 16:08 | jcamins | If you have a reverse proxy, you have to edit the Apache config file no matter what. |
| 16:08 | mtompset | It does reduce the number of steps. |
| 16:08 | jcamins | Yes, but you will do the exact same config steps with both. |
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| 16:08 | jcamins | The difference is with the package the upgrade is more-or-less foolproof. |
| 16:08 | * paul_p_ | hates failing QA on patches...(bug 5409 and bug 8163) |
| 16:09 | mtompset | I'll be trying a koha-common install in the future. |
| 16:09 | * eythian | goes home, later all |
| 16:10 | kf | have anice evening |
| 16:11 | mtompset | Perhaps INSTALL.ubuntu.via_packages? |
| 16:11 | INSTALL.ubuntu.manually? | |
| 16:12 | jcamins | mtompset: what about just one file, that says "if you're using packages, do this, and meet back up at step 30." |
| 16:12 | kf | hm |
| 16:12 | is it wise to put the file in there in this case? | |
| 16:12 | if you have downloaded and unpacked it, it might be too late? | |
| 16:12 | hm no, perhaps not | |
| 16:12 | ignore me :) | |
| 16:13 | mtompset | once I do a koha-common install, I'll have a better idea. |
| 16:13 | but that is probably a good idea. | |
| 16:13 | drojf | and then you wonder what you did all the manual stuff for :D |
| 16:13 | mtompset | for testing and documenting history. :P |
| 16:14 | and for the glory of doing it yourself. | |
| 16:15 | drojf | funny question, but can i copy in git from one branch to another with some magick trick? |
| 16:15 | more magic than switching branches manually and copy stuff at some temp place that is | |
| 16:15 | mtompset | oh. :( |
| 16:17 | drojf | ah i could just do git merge in this case i guess |
| 16:17 | or not. better read what it does first :D | |
| 16:17 | kf | drojf: git cherry-pick maybe? |
| 16:18 | drojf | aaah that sounds more like it |
| 16:18 | kf | I used it once to backport patches from a 3.y to a 3.x |
| 16:18 | worked nicely | |
| 16:21 | drojf | kf++ # that worked |
| 16:21 | jcamins | drojf: I do git checkout branch -- file |
| 16:21 | Followed by git reset | |
| 16:21 | (to unstage it) | |
| 16:21 | kf | :) |
| 16:22 | mtompset | Shoot... found another bug in the docs. |
| 16:22 | jcamins | drojf: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:22 | First question? | |
| 16:22 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" |
| 16:24 | mtompset | Shoot! I just learned about things missing in the crontab! |
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| 16:25 | drojf | jcamins: i sent a small patch that i would like to enhance at some point. but i also want to keep the state i have now so i can do followups on what i sent in, so i cherrypicked the commit to a new branch |
| 16:25 | mtompset | the misc/cronjobs/crontab.example --- are all those things necessary? |
| 16:25 | jcamins | mtompset: no, they are examples. |
| 16:26 | drojf: okay, so what exactly is the problem? | |
| 16:26 | drojf | notjing |
| 16:26 | it worked with kf's help :) | |
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| 16:26 | jcamins | Oh. Excellent. :) |
| 16:26 | drojf | i just did not know how to do it, cherry pick was the answer |
| 16:28 | mtompset | # OVERDUE NOTICES |
| 16:28 | 0 1 * * * $KOHA_CRON_PATH/overdue_notices.pl -t | |
| 16:28 | some are good to have, like this one, right? | |
| 16:28 | jcamins | That's pretty critical if you want to send overdue notices. |
| 16:28 | Right. | |
| 16:29 | JoeLib001 | Hello. :-) Has anyone used the Koha Reports to create a "Barcode Slip". The Barcode Slip I need to create needs to be printable in a 3x5 format. I know all of the fields and have created a test report with the data I need. |
| 16:30 | jcamins | JoeLib001: no, the reports module doesn't do barcode slips. You might have more luck with the label tool. |
| 16:30 | JoeLib001 | I will look at that then. :-) Thanks. |
| 16:31 | mtompset | Oh, another question, while I think of it... can you do a meaningful development install off of koha-common? |
| 16:31 | jcamins | mtompset: no, one does development installs with git. |
| 16:32 | You can't do a useful development install from a tarball, either. | |
| 16:32 | mtompset | okay... and koha-common is purposefully suited to multiple-sites, but you only have to install one site? |
| 16:32 | jcamins | Right. |
| 16:33 | mtompset | Then it would seem that the tarball is best for "only one site ever". |
| 16:33 | jcamins | Right. |
| 16:33 | And even then it's not a good idea, if you're on a deb-based system. | |
| 16:33 | mtompset | Correct. |
| 16:34 | So the method of installation is really a combination of what OS am I on and what will I be doing. | |
| 16:35 | jcamins | Right. If you're developing, you should use git. If you're not developing on a deb-based system, you should use packages. If you're not developing on a different flavour of Linux, you should use the tarball. |
| 16:35 | kf | translatable koct a full success :) |
| 16:35 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #790 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 20 days ago) |
| 16:36 | wizzyrea | which install do I use is <reply> If you're developing, you should use git. If you're not developing on a deb-based system, you should use packages. If you're not developing on a different flavour of Linux, you should use the tarball. |
| 16:36 | jcamins | which install do I use? |
| 16:36 | wizzyrea | aw |
| 16:36 | jcamins | which install do wizzyrea use? |
| 16:36 | * wizzyrea | will try again |
| 16:36 | drojf | bad bot |
| 16:36 | jcamins | which install do wahanui use? |
| 16:36 | wizzyrea | which install to use? |
| 16:36 | wahanui | If you're developing, you should use git. If you're not developing on a deb-based system, you should use packages. If you're not developing on a different flavour of Linux, you should use the tarball. |
| 16:36 | wizzyrea | there we go |
| 16:37 | jcamins | :) |
| 16:37 | JoeLib001 | I was reading the help on Labels and it says: "Currently all fields in the following tables are used: items, biblioitems, biblio, branches" Does that mean I can't use fields from aqorders and o? |
| 16:38 | jcamins | That is correct. |
| 16:38 | I think. | |
| 16:38 | JoeLib001 | Can I make it? :-) |
| 16:39 | jcamins | JoeLib001: I am sure it is possible. I have no idea how much work it would involve. |
| 16:39 | wizzyrea | yep, and if you do, submit a patch |
| 16:40 | JoeLib001 | Yeah, we'll see where the dark rabbit hole leads. It might not have a bottom or it might have spikes at the bottom. :-) |
| 16:40 | wizzyrea | or it might be a portal to a magical land of happiness and wonder. |
| 16:40 | never know. | |
| 16:40 | JoeLib001 | Could be. Hehe. :-) |
| 16:41 | mtompset | wizzyrea++ # yay for optimism! |
| 16:41 | wizzyrea | could also be an alternate universe where the laws of physics are completely different from the ones we know here. |
| 16:41 | WE JUST DON'T KNOW :) :) | |
| 16:41 | do let us know what you find though. | |
| 16:41 | JoeLib001 | I think the Alice computer game was probably more correct than the original movie. :-) |
| 16:41 | Will do. | |
| 16:42 | * wizzyrea | played that game |
| 16:42 | wizzyrea | had nightmares for weeks. |
| 16:43 | oleonard | Alice computer game? |
| 16:44 | mtompset | I was looking at INSTALL.debian. |
| 16:44 | drojf | not in the debian packages it seems :P |
| 16:44 | the alice game i mean | |
| 16:44 | mtompset | It's as bad as UBUNTU's! |
| 16:45 | wizzyrea | fix it then :P |
| 16:45 | JoeLib001 | Hehe. :-) |
| 16:45 | wizzyrea | you should have seen it before we fixed it the last time. |
| 16:45 | drojf | "Skype, together with Norton, Adobe and TomTom, is spreading the word about why it's important to keep your software in top condition" lol. a bunch of companies whose software's deinstallation would be the best update |
| 16:46 | mtompset | It's 12:45am... I just barely made it to 5.2 in my modified instructions for Ubuntu. |
| 16:53 | paul_p_ | nengard_lunch = pls look at http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=8392#c11 |
| 16:53 | @later tell nengard = pls look at http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=8392#c11 | |
| 16:53 | jcamins | paul_p_: no huginn. |
| 16:53 | drojf | paul_p_: later does not work |
| 16:53 | jcamins | :( |
| 16:54 | paul_p_ | yep, that's what I understood. |
| 16:54 | kf | bye all |
| 16:54 | drojf | bye kf |
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| 16:54 | paul_p_ | OK, time to leave for me now. "passed QA" queue almost empty. Busy afternoon ! |
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| 17:27 | limon_away | I bought my TomTom specifically because it runs on Linux. Hate the Windows-only "My TomTom" interface for updates. |
| 17:28 | jcamins | limon_away: well that's ironic. |
| 17:28 | At least it doesn't require DOS, I guess? | |
| 17:28 | (though at least you could use FreeDOS, I suppose...) | |
| 17:30 | JoeLib001 | Hehe, I hacked my tomtom and added a mp3 player, a video player, and a linux boot image. ;-) |
| 17:32 | Well, I use the term hacked loosely as I didn't do much work. :-) | |
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| 17:35 | JoeLib001 | I can't add an "item" to the Batch Label Queue. I don't have an item associated with the record. Would that be my problem? |
| 17:35 | I have a whole slew of errors in my error log too. | |
| 17:36 | jcamins | JoeLib001: probably you need an item, but I don't really know. |
| 17:36 | JoeLib001 | Here is part of one of my errors. |
| 17:36 | Cannot add or update a child row: a foreign key constraint fails (`koha`.`creator_batches`, CONSTRAINT `creator_batches_ibfk_3` FOREIGN KEY (`item_number`) REFERENCES `items` (`itemnumber`) ON DELETE CASCADE) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Creators/Batch.pm line 72 | |
| 17:37 | jcamins | That's a problem. |
| 17:37 | JoeLib001 | Looks like I don't have a profile id either. Which is odd as there are profiles with profile IDs. |
| 17:38 | jcamins | Sounds like you have a seriously screwed up database. |
| 17:38 | JoeLib001 | I don't have any items in my database yet. |
| 17:38 | All I have are records. | |
| 17:39 | I opted not to add items per Journal Subscription creation. | |
| 17:39 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #790: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/790/ |
| 17:39 | * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8476: Little bug in OPAC XSLT on OPACURLOpenInNewWindow | |
| 17:39 | * dpavlin: Bug 8439 - Printing basketgroup does not work on plack | |
| 17:39 | * kyle.m.hall: BugFix - ReturnToShelvingCart | |
| 17:39 | * dpavlin: Bug 8442 - labels creator fixes for plack | |
| 17:39 | * dcook: Bug 8448 - Holds Awaiting Pickup : Cancelling a hold on a waiting item with multiple holds displays a blank screen instead of a warning prompt | |
| 17:39 | * dcook: Bug 8414 - Intranet header toplinks display white rather than blue in < IE8 | |
| 17:39 | * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8440: Dates does not appear in suggestions management | |
| 17:39 | * ruth: Bug 8392: Category age ranges not being enforced | |
| 17:39 | * f.demians: Bug 8392: Avoid having an untranslatable age range | |
| 17:39 | * m.de.rooy: 8062 Followup for HTML::FormatText | |
| 17:39 | * magnus: Bug 7367 - One "the" too many | |
| 17:39 | * dcook: Bug 8434 - Notice generation fails for Advanced Notices, Item Due, and Overdues when run in shell (due to error in Letters.pm) | |
| 17:39 | * julian.maurice: Bug 8376: New script to export borrowers misc/export_borrowers.pl | |
| 17:39 | jcamins | JoeLib001: well, maybe the label tool requires items. |
| 17:40 | JoeLib001 | The labels are for our book acquisitions. So maybe, I need to work out how we are doing the Acquistions then. |
| 17:41 | I have it so that it doesn't create the item until we "receive" the book. | |
| 17:42 | So, we probably need to add the item to the book as soon as we enter the order in Acquisitions? | |
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| 17:43 | qwerty | how to change the opac background with our image file |
| 17:44 | jcamins | qwerty: you can use CSS. |
| 17:45 | oleonard's blog | |
| 17:45 | wahanui | oleonard's blog is http://www.myacpl.org/koha |
| 17:45 | jcamins | qwerty: you might look there for ideas. ^^ |
| 17:45 | qwerty | in opacusercss .tell me the script |
| 17:47 | jcamins | qwerty: it's the same way you would change the background for any other page. |
| 17:48 | qwerty | i want to add out library building is in opac background on search bar |
| 17:48 | jcamins | I think probably if you set the 'background' CSS property for the search bar, that would work. |
| 17:50 | qwerty | yes am looking for changing background in search bar |
| 17:50 | jcamins | You could also find another OPAC that does that, and take a look at the CSS they used. |
| 17:52 | JoeLib001 | Yeah, once I add an item to one of the records everything works. |
| 17:54 | I will have to look at our Acquisitions process and make sure we add an item when we create the record. | |
| 17:54 | Thanks for the help guys. :-) | |
| 17:55 | jcamins | Hey, you're the one who did all the figuring things out. :) |
| 17:55 | drojf | unlike someone else |
| 17:55 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 17:56 | drojf: I probably shouldn't have said anything. | |
| 17:57 | drojf | i really wonder if it is a language thing or a culture thing or a person thing. this way of interaction |
| 17:58 | jcamins | If s/he had tried *at all* I would've explained how to do it. |
| 17:58 | Even pulled up a web browser to find the name of the element. | |
| 17:58 | drojf | also the way of using a new nick every time you come in. makes it seem like you know you should be hiding |
| 17:59 | jcamins | I presume the theory is that we must be stupid since we're giving away our work, so maybe we won't make the connection. |
| 17:59 | drojf | lol |
| 18:15 | do i have to restart sshd after a new interface comes up? i can't connect via wifi, also not eth0 if i plug it in later (not at boot) | |
| 18:18 | jcamins | I'd never heard of that. |
| 18:20 | Oooh. | |
| 18:20 | I could roll the truffles in coconut! | |
| 18:22 | drojf | :) |
| 18:23 | * jcamins | has been on a no-bake dessert kick recently. |
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| 18:24 | Morthland | How can I set a default item type? |
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| 18:54 | jcamins | drojf: if you didn't figure it out yet, I realized what the problem probably is with sshd. |
| 18:54 | You have it set up to listen on a specific IP. | |
| 18:55 | drojf | jcamins: thanks, i stopped looking for it to write an email to duckduckgo that the relevancy of their search results has become horrible |
| 18:55 | which annoyed me a lot when i searched fot he ssh thing | |
| 18:56 | jcamins | I thought ddg was supposed to have excellent relevancy? |
| 18:56 | drojf | was |
| 18:56 | no idea what is going on | |
| 18:56 | but i regoogle almost everything at the moment | |
| 18:59 | http://duck.co/topic/relavency[…]28469000001212063 seems like they know it already | |
| 19:02 | wizzyrea | well google just did a huuuuuuge push on relevancy |
| 19:02 | so it's possible that google just recently got a lot better. | |
| 19:03 | drojf | i almost never used google the last two years |
| 19:03 | so that can't be it for me | |
| 19:03 | wizzyrea | right I"m talking in the last 2 months |
| 19:03 | drojf | but yes, while ddg seemed sucky, google looked less sucky than before |
| 19:03 | wizzyrea | google changed their ranking/relevancy algorithm |
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| 19:04 | drojf | i had the impression that a lot of the hits for people _selling_ stuff that i want to read _about_ (and not buy) have vanished. i like that |
| 19:04 | and other junk | |
| 19:07 | wizzyrea | is batch patron mod new? |
| 19:07 | drojf | also google sends me 2-3 people every day to look at my ikea lunch box raspberry pi case :D |
| 19:07 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I think so. |
| 19:08 | Speaking of Google, I need to switch to Piwik. | |
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| 19:09 | drojf | speaking of that, it's really scary what stuff i can see about people visiting my website, the hoster has urchin running for everybody, which i think is pre-google anayltics |
| 19:09 | but you should switch to piwik :) | |
| 19:11 | and i should find out how to make them anonymize my logs. it took only two weeks to get them to reenable me to install mediawiki in my db, so a service they don't advertise can surely only take a few months (or a "no"). that's what you get for 2,50 a month | |
| 19:13 | jcamins | drojf: No wonder service is so problematic- that's absurdly inexpensive! |
| 19:15 | drojf | yes indeed :D i wanted to get microhosting for that money, but those people did not really answer my emails, so i thought i'd just try this, how bad can it be for that price ;) i don't really have money to spend on such things at the moment |
| 19:19 | nice, fast reply from ddg | |
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| 19:29 | rangi | Morning |
| 19:29 | And zomg | |
| 19:29 | drojf | hey rangi |
| 19:29 | * jcamins | isn't quite sure what latter is in response to. |
| 19:29 | drojf | and ? |
| 19:31 | rangi | Items in 090 |
| 19:31 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 19:31 | Yeah. | |
| 19:31 | rangi | 0 chance that will work |
| 19:32 | jcamins | Ya know, we could actually fix this, once the search rewrite was completed. |
| 19:32 | rangi | Yep |
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| 19:32 | jcamins | Want to map something to somewhere dumb? |
| 19:32 | No problem. | |
| 19:32 | drojf | lol |
| 19:32 | jcamins | (not that 090 is that dumb) |
| 19:33 | Also, we'd have to get rid of GRS-1, but that was always just an awful idea. | |
| 19:33 | rangi | Yep |
| 19:34 | But for now changing mapping and hoping for the best is about it | |
| 19:34 | jcamins | Yup. |
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| 19:34 | JoeLib001 | drojf: You made a raspberry pi case from a lunchbox? |
| 19:34 | mib_vdxzbe | hello |
| 19:34 | Can anyone help me, this is the error i am getting, Unparsable version '' for prerequisite Test::Strict at Makefile.PL line 557. Warning: prerequisite CGI::Session::Driver::memcached 0.04 not found. Warning: prerequisite Template::Plugin::HtmlToText 0.03 not found. Warning: prerequisite Test::Strict 0 not found. ERROR from evaluation of /build/koha-3.08.03/pe | |
| 19:34 | drojf | JoeLib001: it had a good size ;) |
| 19:35 | JoeLib001 | Hehe. :-) |
| 19:35 | jcamins | JoeLib001: it saved the raspberry pi from dunking in soda. |
| 19:35 | JoeLib001 | I made mine out of legos. :-) |
| 19:35 | jcamins | mib_vdxzbe: those are just warnings. You should be able to ignore them. |
| 19:35 | drojf | that was what i wanted to do :) |
| 19:35 | but then these things were lying around | |
| 19:35 | JoeLib001 | Hehe. :-) Is it water tight? |
| 19:36 | mib_vdxzbe | anybody? |
| 19:36 | wahanui | hmmm... anybody is here |
| 19:36 | jcamins | There is a patch to fix the first (but you can ignore it), and the others can be installed from the apt repo at debian.koha-community.org |
| 19:36 | mib_vdxzbe | Ok |
| 19:36 | drojf | it was tight enough for the bottle of water i poured over my desk shortly after i made the case :D |
| 19:36 | JoeLib001 | Cool. :-) |
| 19:36 | mib_vdxzbe | how do i add the apt repo? |
| 19:37 | JoeLib001 | Yeah, my lego case would not protect it from water very well. Lots of open space around the connectors. |
| 19:37 | jcamins | debian? |
| 19:37 | wahanui | debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that |
| 19:37 | drojf | but it has holes for the cables of course, so it won't swim well. at least not without the raspi dying |
| 19:37 | mib_vdxzbe | ubuntu |
| 19:37 | jcamins | koha on debian? |
| 19:37 | wahanui | koha on debian is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze |
| 19:37 | jcamins | That's what I was looking for ^^ |
| 19:37 | mib_vdxzbe | oh |
| 19:37 | ok | |
| 19:37 | so get that? | |
| 19:38 | jcamins | I didn't remember the URL, and I knew our bot had it somewhere in its memory. ;) |
| 19:38 | mib_vdxzbe | haha |
| 19:38 | jcamins | Step 1 or 2 on the page is how to add the apt repo. |
| 19:38 | drojf | JoeLib001: installed koha on the raspberry pi already? :P |
| 19:38 | JoeLib001 | Yeah. Would be an interesting project to see about making it water tight. Would need special connectors and such probably. |
| 19:38 | mib_vdxzbe | thanks |
| 19:38 | JoeLib001 | Hahahaha! No. |
| 19:38 | :-) | |
| 19:38 | drojf | works well! |
| 19:38 | kind of :) | |
| 19:38 | JoeLib001 | Really? |
| 19:38 | drojf | yes |
| 19:38 | i develop on it | |
| 19:39 | JoeLib001 | Yeah, figured the kind of. Probably would work well for a small collection though. |
| 19:39 | Hmm...... | |
| 19:39 | drojf | with plack it runs ok |
| 19:39 | without it's horribly slow | |
| 19:39 | JoeLib001 | What is plack? |
| 19:39 | wahanui | plack is working quite nice. |
| 19:39 | drojf | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack |
| 19:39 | wahanui | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack is, like, probably good place to get started with latest development |
| 19:39 | jcamins | wahanui: forget plack |
| 19:40 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot plack |
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| 19:40 | jcamins | Plack is <reply> Plack is a FastCGI thingy that works with Koha. See http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack for more information. |
| 19:40 | plack? | |
| 19:40 | wahanui | Plack is a FastCGI thingy that works with Koha. See http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack for more information. |
| 19:41 | mib_vdxzbe | bob is <reply> Bob is an awsome dude |
| 19:41 | bob? | |
| 19:41 | wahanui | i think bob is doing sys admins now |
| 19:41 | drojf | yeah i just saw there is not much about what it actually is on that page :) it caches a lot of stuff and makes pages load faster |
| 19:41 | mib_vdxzbe | aw :( |
| 19:42 | JoeLib001 | Cool. :-) |
| 19:42 | drojf | JoeLib001: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_a_Raspberry_Pi |
| 19:42 | jcamins | raspberry pi? |
| 19:42 | wahanui | raspberry pi is arm-based |
| 19:42 | jcamins | forget raspberry pi |
| 19:42 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot raspberry pi |
| 19:43 | jcamins | raspberry pi is <reply> Raspberry Pi embedded computers run Koha just fine. :) See http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_a_Raspberry_Pi |
| 19:43 | raspberry pi? | |
| 19:43 | wahanui | Raspberry Pi embedded computers run Koha just fine. :) See http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_a_Raspberry_Pi |
| 19:43 | drojf | :) |
| 19:43 | JoeLib001 | Sweet. :-) I like it. |
| 19:46 | mib_vdxzbe | jcamins, i did what you said, still says Unparsable version '' for prerequisite Test::Strict at Makefile.PL line 557. ERROR from evaluation of /build/koha-3.08.03/perl-ldap-0.38/Makefile.PL: Can't locate Module/Install/Admin.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /build/koha-3.08.03 /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.12.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.12.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/sha |
| 19:46 | JoeLib001 | I've been thinking about creating a catalog of my own books, dvds, games, etc. That way when I see something I like and don't remember if I bought it yet. I can just search it. hehe. |
| 19:46 | jcamins | Ah, I didn't see the last error. |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | JoeLib001: are you familiar with librarything? |
| 19:46 | jcamins | The Unparsable version error can just be ignored. |
| 19:46 | drojf | heh nice. i think about making koha my video library |
| 19:46 | mib_vdxzbe | but it stops |
| 19:46 | jcamins | The other one has nothing to do with Koha. |
| 19:47 | mib_vdxzbe | oh |
| 19:47 | drojf | unfortunately html5 does not play avi |
| 19:47 | wizzyrea | (if you don't want to, say, run a koha instance) |
| 19:47 | JoeLib001 | wizzyrea: Somewhat. Haven't looked into it. |
| 19:47 | mib_vdxzbe | how do i fix it? |
| 19:47 | drojf | but mp4 and mkv seems to work |
| 19:47 | jcamins | mib_vdxzbe: no idea. Use the packages for whatever it is you're trying to install. |
| 19:47 | mib_vdxzbe | trying to install koha |
| 19:48 | jcamins | mib_vdxzbe: but you are currently installing perl-ldap 0.38? |
| 19:48 | mib_vdxzbe | no |
| 19:48 | i'm running the makefile.pl | |
| 19:49 | jcamins | You should try `sudo apt-get install libmodule-install-perl` to install Module::Install. |
| 19:49 | mib_vdxzbe | ok |
| 19:49 | jcamins | What is perl-ldap-0.38, though? |
| 19:49 | mib_vdxzbe | no idea |
| 19:50 | jcamins | It's on your system. |
| 19:50 | mib_vdxzbe | oh, well i'm not sure what it is |
| 19:50 | jcamins | You must have downloaded it manually? |
| 19:50 | JoeLib001 | wizzyrea: Yeah, I don't much care to create another account. Not to mention I would be using their hosting and such. Google already has part of my soul. I don't need to give another part of it. hehe. ;-) |
| 19:50 | mib_vdxzbe | maybe |
| 19:50 | jcamins | The Koha tarballs don't include a directory called perl-ldap-0.38. |
| 19:51 | mib_vdxzbe | oh |
| 19:52 | jcamins | mib_vdxzbe: what instructions are you following? |
| 19:52 | koha on ubuntu? | |
| 19:52 | wahanui | it has been said that koha on ubuntu is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu |
| 19:52 | jcamins | ^^ that page should have good, detailed instructions. |
| 19:52 | drojf | heh |
| 19:52 | mib_vdxzbe | ok ,well now it says, ERROR from evaluation of /build/koha-3.08.03/perl-ldap-0.38/Makefile.PL: Cannot find an extension with method 'Meta_ArrayKeys' at /usr/share/perl5/Module/Install/Admin.pm line 186. |
| 19:52 | jcamins | You need to start over, I think. |
| 19:53 | perl-ldap-0.38 has nothing to do with Koha. | |
| 19:53 | mib_vdxzbe | oh |
| 19:53 | jcamins | I would do the following: `mv /build/koha-3.08.03 /build/koha-3.08.03-old` |
| 19:53 | mib_vdxzbe | i have been fallowing this http://www.blazingmoon.org/new[…]untu-part-4-koha/ |
| 19:53 | jcamins | `tar zxvf koha-3.08.03.tar.gz` |
| 19:53 | Oh my. | |
| 19:53 | That's four years old. | |
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| 19:53 | jcamins | That will not be helpful. :( |
| 19:54 | The instructions on the wiki are accurate. | |
| 19:54 | mib_vdxzbe | o |
| 19:54 | k | |
| 19:54 | * cait | waves |
| 19:54 | JoeLib001 | Where is the docs folder at in koha? |
| 19:54 | jcamins | drojf: didn't you comment on that post to tell them that it was out of date? |
| 19:54 | rangi | Ok my stop |
| 19:54 | Bbiab | |
| 19:55 | drojf | jcamins: i think so, yes. but it does not seem to be there |
| 19:55 | jcamins | Guess they didn't like losing traffic. |
| 19:55 | drojf | yup :( |
| 19:56 | "i get visitors" -- "my information is outdated" -- "but i get visitors" … | |
| 19:57 | jcamins | What about "okay, then, update your damn guide so that it doesn't result in broken systems." |
| 19:57 | JoeLib001 | Hehe. ;-) |
| 19:57 | drojf | "but i'm not interested in koha anymore" -- "but i get visitors" |
| 19:57 | jcamins | lol |
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| 20:03 | drojf | he has an "about"-page, a "contact"-page that is the same "about"-page and we should contact him via his website. for somebody doing business of some kind it seems like a weird contacting philosophy to not even have an email address somewhere |
| 20:03 | Shane-S | quick question on the admin login screen it defaults to "My Library" in the bottom drop down. Can I remove that so just the library(ies) we setup appear? |
| 20:04 | jcamins | Shane-S: "My library" is a synonym for "the library that my user is attached to." |
| 20:05 | Shane-S | okay, but is it something I can remove for my user who might not understand that? |
| 20:05 | jcamins | Shane-S: I believe you can use intranetuserjs to do that. |
| 20:05 | oleonard | Shane-S: If you remove it your user will always have to choose their library manually |
| 20:06 | Shane-S: I don't think that's easier. | |
| 20:06 | jcamins | Yes, but better to just tell them what "My library" means. |
| 20:06 | Good point, oleonard. | |
| 20:06 | Shane-S | ah okay, I will just say "ignore it" then :P |
| 20:06 | jcamins | You'll have everyone checking things out from the wrong library by default. |
| 20:06 | oleonard | Shane-S: You are running a multi-branch system? |
| 20:06 | Shane-S | We only have 1 Library is why I asked |
| 20:06 | jcamins | Right, so don't worry about that box. |
| 20:06 | oleonard | Won't turning on singlebranchmode remove that box? |
| 20:07 | Shane-S | I "may" add a small building lending library down the road |
| 20:07 | jcamins | oleonard: yeah, but doesn't it break holds or something? |
| 20:07 | * oleonard | doesn't know |
| 20:08 | Shane-S | but for now it is just our main school library, then I will look into adding faculty books/videos to keep track of them |
| 20:09 | well thanks very much for the help, I will be back often soon as I have to begin getting this system live | |
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| 20:10 | Shane-S | I at least cut my install down from 1 day to 4 hours to 2 hours. Packages are lovely and knowing what to fix ahead of time helps :) |
| 20:14 | * drojf | sent an email to the blog guy |
| 20:14 | drojf | "I'll be away from work through Friday 7/27 and will be checking my work email only infrequently. Once I return to work I'll get back to you as soon as I'm able." |
| 20:14 | oleonard | Did you tell him we were coming over there to rough him up? |
| 20:15 | rangi | lol |
| 20:15 | drojf | heh |
| 20:16 | rangi | check this our |
| 20:16 | out even | |
| 20:16 | http://jenkins.koha-community.org/cigame/? | |
| 20:17 | oleonard | What are the scores based on? |
| 20:17 | rangi | each build gets a score allocated |
| 20:17 | build 790 for master, got 3 points | |
| 20:17 | chris_n` joined #koha | |
| 20:17 | rangi | you get 1 point for each new test that passes |
| 20:18 | -10 for breaking a build | |
| 20:18 | jcamins | Humbug. |
| 20:18 | I'll never get any points. | |
| 20:18 | rangi | -1 for every test that fails |
| 20:18 | increasing testing coverage gets points | |
| 20:18 | wizzyrea | well |
| 20:18 | rangi | so you should get points for that |
| 20:18 | wizzyrea | what about 2 steps forward, one step back |
| 20:18 | :P | |
| 20:18 | so +2 for a new test | |
| 20:19 | -1 for breaking something | |
| 20:19 | rangi | yep |
| 20:19 | the build would be worth 1 at that point | |
| 20:19 | * wizzyrea | likes forward momentum |
| 20:19 | rangi | http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]aster/790/cigame/ |
| 20:19 | tells you the score for each build | |
| 20:19 | jcamins | Okay, time to head home. |
| 20:21 | rangi | just some silliness, but silliness makes life enjoyable :) |
| 20:21 | cait | too true :) |
| 20:22 | why would a library want stop words? | |
| 20:22 | I mean seriously | |
| 20:22 | rangi | habit |
| 20:22 | cait | what is the point of having a list of words that is not searchable?? |
| 20:22 | rangi | well stop words for sorting |
| 20:22 | that makes sense | |
| 20:22 | cait | yes |
| 20:22 | but you do that with non filing characters normally | |
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| 20:23 | cait | or with indicators |
| 20:23 | * rangi | points stacy to the thread with brooke and jcamins |
| 20:23 | cait | not with a list |
| 20:24 | drojf | isn't she using ll anyway? |
| 20:24 | * oleonard | wonders if Stacy reads the list when she's not posting to it |
| 20:24 | rangi | yes, she is |
| 20:24 | not by choice tho | |
| 20:25 | cait | hm |
| 20:27 | oleonard | The real question is why she thinks having stopwords would help. Sounds like an unresolved searching problem. |
| 20:27 | rangi | their system is broken |
| 20:27 | we all know that | |
| 20:27 | oleonard | True. Did they mess up the searching as well? |
| 20:27 | rangi | it's their MO |
| 20:27 | it's what they do | |
| 20:28 | searching, circulation, virtual shelves, peoples lives | |
| 20:31 | drojf | it probabyl won't fix anything if they do it the ll way |
| 20:31 | probably even | |
| 20:35 | chris_n` joined #koha | |
| 20:36 | wizzyrea | stacy is from waldo though? |
| 20:38 | rangi | yup |
| 20:39 | chris_n` joined #koha | |
| 20:39 | rangi | but its to replace zebra ... they are koha 2009 stage still |
| 20:39 | drojf | must be fun |
| 20:39 | i know a blog that might fit their installation needs ;) | |
| 20:40 | oleonard | Just imagine how much more behind they'd be if they weren't so agile. |
| 20:40 | rangi | (in terms of zebra/solr that is) |
| 20:40 | cait | lol |
| 20:40 | hey, they are already at version 4 | |
| 20:40 | rangi | 5 now |
| 20:40 | cait | ! |
| 20:40 | since when? | |
| 20:41 | drojf | that reminds me, what about koha release names? we should really have this |
| 20:41 | rangi | liblime academic koha 5.0 |
| 20:42 | cjh | rangi: shouldnt that be liblime academic KOHA 5.0? |
| 20:42 | rangi | for major versions? |
| 20:42 | we could do that | |
| 20:42 | cjh | koha 3.9.0 'awesome' |
| 20:43 | drojf | koha 3.10 'fancy fried fudge' |
| 20:43 | cjh | haha |
| 20:43 | * oleonard | heads out |
| 20:43 | drojf | lol i like how the last commit in docs is from rangi, 3 years ago @ link |
| 20:43 | oleonard | see ya #koha |
| 20:43 | libsysguy | well I guess animals are taken as well as deserts |
| 20:43 | wizzyrea | bye oleonard |
| 20:43 | * wizzyrea | appreciates that he waited |
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| 20:45 | drojf | libsysguy: boring stuff like icecream sandwhich is taken. if we come up with a cool recipe per version that would work i think |
| 20:45 | chris_n` joined #koha | |
| 20:45 | libsysguy | a recibe |
| 20:45 | like 3.10 Koha 'BBQ Ribs' | |
| 20:46 | on an unrelated note I kind of want to discuss changing the way Koha::Calendar works | |
| 20:46 | anybody up to pointing out some mistakes im about to make :p | |
| 20:47 | * libsysguy | thinks everyone should run away heh |
| 20:49 | rangi | write the tests first |
| 20:49 | then write the code to pass those tests | |
| 20:49 | and ill be happy | |
| 20:49 | libsysguy | haha |
| 20:49 | * libsysguy | is here to make rangi happy |
| 20:49 | libsysguy | if rangi ain't happy…aint nobody happy |
| 20:49 | ^^ with the thickest southern drawl you can imagine | |
| 20:50 | rangi | but seriously starting with a test plan, and a unit test ... means we are way less likely to cause more issues than we fix |
| 20:50 | drojf | oh we do it the other way around now? :P |
| 20:51 | libsysguy | well I was going to start with a way to represent in in the database |
| 20:51 | but you think a testing plan is still the way to go | |
| 20:52 | rangi | yes |
| 20:52 | knowing what you want the data to do | |
| 20:52 | should influence representation | |
| 20:52 | not the other way round | |
| 20:53 | libsysguy | ok |
| 20:53 | rangi | ie, if we know how we want it to work, we can build a data structure that enables it |
| 20:53 | libsysguy | haha |
| 20:53 | rangi | and its a pretty well contained, well defined area |
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| 20:54 | cait | it's only calendars cause headaches |
| 20:54 | rangi | also, this must have been done before |
| 20:54 | libsysguy | well after the foo bar that hourly was I suppose it does need to be started with tests :p |
| 20:54 | cait | well to me at least :) |
| 20:54 | drojf | was? |
| 20:54 | is it fixed now? | |
| 20:54 | libsysguy | lol drojf it will never be fixed |
| 20:54 | rangi | yeah calendars, closing and opening times, those are where the current issues occur |
| 20:55 | libsysguy | im working on closing/opening times |
| 20:55 | thats why im pestering atm lol | |
| 20:55 | rangi | but that should be easily testable |
| 20:55 | also | |
| 20:55 | http://search.cpan.org/~dichi/[…]3/lib/DBD/Mock.pm | |
| 20:56 | libsysguy | well that is handy |
| 20:56 | rangi | we dont even need to populate a db with holidays or opening and closing times etc |
| 20:56 | we can mock that up | |
| 20:56 | and test that we still get the correct due_dates, or fines leveled | |
| 20:56 | libsysguy | we don't use DBIx::Class do we |
| 20:57 | rangi | indirectly yes |
| 20:57 | libsysguy | but not in a way that I could write a Class for a DB object |
| 20:58 | that is what I have been doing in catalyst | |
| 20:58 | so sometimes I get them mixed up | |
| 20:59 | rangi | you could |
| 20:59 | the solr code uses moose | |
| 20:59 | libsysguy | oh moose |
| 20:59 | chris_n` joined #koha | |
| 20:59 | rangi | frankly is still just prefer class::accessor |
| 20:59 | but to each their own | |
| 20:59 | libsysguy | I want that to be an acrynom that comes out to the equivalent of "Every module under the sun" |
| 21:00 | rangi | but by using moose, dbix::class is in there |
| 21:00 | so its available to be used | |
| 21:00 | libsysguy | ok, im not sure how far I want to chase that :p |
| 21:00 | rangi | you probably want to talk to jcamins tho, as RM in waiting |
| 21:01 | libsysguy | I've pinged him some |
| 21:01 | but not as in depth as I am here heh | |
| 21:01 | rangi | as long as its not slow, is well documented and tested, you coudl write it in swahili |
| 21:01 | as far as i care | |
| 21:01 | libsysguy | heh |
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| 21:02 | libsysguy | chris_n seriously :p |
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| 21:13 | drojf | cait: with that syspref you can never know |
| 21:13 | cait | it's time to kill it |
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| 21:19 | jcamins | libsysguy is using DBD::Mock? |
| 21:19 | Woohoo! | |
| 21:19 | libsysguy++ | |
| 21:21 | Oh, no, but at least he's planning to write tests first. :) | |
| 21:21 | libsysguy | haha yeah I am working on the tests |
| 21:21 | im trying to decide if I want to continue on the path of numbering off days/hours/minutes in an array :-/ | |
| 21:22 | jcamins | Uhhh... |
| 21:22 | Hm. | |
| 21:23 | libsysguy | I don't want an array of 60 in the db just hogging up rows |
| 21:23 | so the perl part of the test is easy | |
| 21:23 | representing that data is hard | |
| 21:23 | jcamins | Right. |
| 21:24 | libsysguy | so i am scouring the internet for a good calendar schema so I can have a way to model my data in perl |
| 21:24 | too bad I can't just interface with google calendar p | |
| 21:25 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 21:25 | libsysguy | I mean…i could…there is a module for that |
| 21:25 | but you need a google account | |
| 21:25 | drojf | no google in my koha |
| 21:25 | jcamins | Actually, you might want to look at the data structure used by programs that interface with ICS. |
| 21:26 | libsysguy | if I could just use the data structure that Date::Manip uses I think i'd be good |
| 21:26 | but rangi might stroke | |
| 21:26 | jcamins | Why? |
| 21:26 | wizzyrea | stroke what |
| 21:26 | libsysguy | have you ever used date manip |
| 21:27 | jcamins | wizzyrea: have one, I think. ;) |
| 21:27 | cait | good night all :) |
| 21:27 | libsysguy | looks at wizzyrea with "the look" |
| 21:27 | wizzyrea | libsysguy? |
| 21:27 | wahanui | libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck |
| 21:27 | * wizzyrea | nods |
| 21:27 | libsysguy | hehe |
| 21:27 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 21:27 | i love you guys. | |
| 21:27 | libsysguy | we love you back wizzyrea |
| 21:30 | jcamins | Any French speakers around? |
| 21:31 | I believe the proper definite article for the French word The is "le" but it'd be nice to have confirmation without needing to get my French dictionary from the other room. | |
| 21:31 | drojf | le is male, la is female |
| 21:31 | les is plural | |
| 21:31 | oh | |
| 21:31 | reading skills | |
| 21:31 | i lack them | |
| 21:31 | nevermind | |
| 21:32 | rangi | Date::Manip is big slow, and slow, also did i say slow, the author themself says dont use it |
| 21:32 | jcamins | Sorry, I should have said that irssi is currently refusing Unicode input. |
| 21:32 | libsysguy | haha yeah he is like…dude its slow |
| 21:33 | drojf | jcamins: but it's le thé |
| 21:33 | libsysguy | awesome…but slow |
| 21:33 | jcamins | Woohoo! |
| 21:33 | Thanks. | |
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| 21:34 | trea | hi koha - question about the AllowHoldDateInFuture syspref - at that point to future hold requests enter into the holds queue? |
| 21:34 | that should read "at what point in the future do hold requests" | |
| 21:35 | rangi | as soon as the futuredate is less than now |
| 21:35 | trea | got it thx |
| 21:35 | rangi++ | |
| 21:51 | trea left #koha | |
| 21:59 | rangi | http://fullfathomcollections.b[…]-libx-plugin.html <-- quite cool |
| 22:04 | i guess i ought to get coffee | |
| 22:04 | :) | |
| 22:04 | brb | |
| 22:05 | * jcamins | goes to get his veggies. |
| 22:09 | rangi | jcamins++ # good reply |
| 22:10 | lucky wahanui tracks karma too | |
| 22:10 | karma for jcamins | |
| 22:10 | wahanui | jcamins has karma of 327 |
| 22:21 | limon_away left #koha | |
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| 22:58 | jcamins_away | karma for rangi |
| 22:58 | wahanui | rangi has karma of 381 |
| 22:58 | jcamins_away | Hehe... much better chance of catchin up to people. |
| 22:58 | karma for huginn | |
| 22:58 | wahanui | huginn has karma of 4 |
| 22:58 | jcamins_away | karma for wahanui |
| 22:58 | wahanui | wahanui has karma of 12 |
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| 23:30 | dcook | Morning #koha |
| 23:31 | rangi | morning dcook |
| 23:32 | dcook | By chance, rangi, do you recall what that script is to handle the de-952ing of records from 3.2? |
| 23:32 | jcamins | misc/remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl |
| 23:32 | rangi | thats it |
| 23:32 | unless you are using package | |
| 23:32 | s | |
| 23:32 | dcook | Excellent. Merci, beaucoup |
| 23:32 | Nope. No packages | |
| 23:34 | Whoa, comma splice... | |
| 23:34 | * dcook | shudders |
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