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| 00:02 | papa joined #koha | |
| 00:33 | mtompset joined #koha | |
| 00:58 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 01:33 | Irma joined #koha | |
| 01:40 | mtompset | Tweaked http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu |
| 01:40 | That should solve the MySQL problems I encountered. :) | |
| 02:03 | I was curious, is there a preference between desktop and server versions of the OS? | |
| 02:03 | jcamins | Server. |
| 02:03 | Then you don't end up with X. | |
| 02:03 | mtompset | Greetings, jcamins. :) |
| 02:03 | jcamins | Greetings. |
| 02:04 | mtompset | I'm finishing my 3.6.7 install now. |
| 02:04 | jcamins | :D |
| 02:05 | mtompset | I figured once I got past the dselect, I didn't need to finish, because it should be similar to before. |
| 02:05 | Discovered a couple tweaks I needed to make to the wiki page, but nothing huge. | |
| 02:05 | jcamins | Excellent! |
| 02:06 | mtompset | turns out that one thing that worked under 10.04 does under 12.04, but removing it doesn't change the outputs from mysql, so I tweaked the MySQL setup section. |
| 02:07 | ^does^doesn't^ | |
| 02:07 | I figured if people realize the goal is UTF-8 and here's a way to check, worse comes to worse they can read the manuals and figure it out. | |
| 02:08 | jcamins | Yeah, that makes sense to me. |
| 02:19 | mtompset | I'm wondering... the Koha_on_Ubuntu page is super long. |
| 02:20 | Is there a suggested length at which a page gets split? | |
| 02:20 | jcamins | There is not. |
| 02:37 | mtompset | Hmmm... I guess people don't run the tests often, or the tests were intentional in the mistakes. |
| 02:37 | jcamins | mtompset: which tests? |
| 02:37 | wahanui | which tests are broken? |
| 02:37 | jcamins | There should not be any broken tests on 3.6.7. |
| 02:37 | I spent hours yesterday making sure there weren't. | |
| 02:37 | mtompset | Barcord_PrinterConfig.t |
| 02:38 | Barcodes_PrinterConfig.t, for example. | |
| 02:38 | jcamins | Is that the only one? |
| 02:38 | Could I see the output? | |
| 02:38 | Paste it to paste.koha-community.org | |
| 02:38 | mtompset | Sure... |
| 02:39 | pastebot | "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Several uninitialized values..." (185 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/51 |
| 02:40 | jcamins | There are no errors. |
| 02:40 | Those are warnings. | |
| 02:40 | mtompset | I didn't say error. I said mistake. ;) |
| 02:40 | jcamins | Which we should perhaps quiet, but they are intentional- the idea is to test that the modules can handle questionable input. |
| 02:40 | Ah. | |
| 02:41 | mtompset | It would be easier to say, "You should expect to see X number of uninitialized value errors." |
| 02:41 | jcamins | If someone went back and noted all that, yes. :P |
| 02:42 | But if you ask me, an even better use of time would be writing more tests. | |
| 02:43 | * jcamins | is very big on tests. |
| 02:45 | mtompset | tests are good. |
| 02:45 | sadly, tests are boring. | |
| 02:45 | jcamins | Yes, but so are warnings. |
| 02:45 | So, better to write tests. :P | |
| 02:46 | mtj | you know what the most boring-est ....? |
| 02:46 | looking for stupid bugs, that would have been easily caught by a test... | |
| 02:46 | jcamins | mtj++ |
| 02:47 | mtj | aint that the truth, fellow developers |
| 02:47 | * mtompset | nods. |
| 02:49 | mtj | and of all the inane computer-related tasks to work on, writing tests are actually pretty satisfying |
| 02:49 | coz you get to prove that something actually works | |
| 02:49 | mtompset | I would rather right tests than documentation. :) |
| 02:49 | jcamins | Kind of like SICP for the rest of us. |
| 02:49 | mtompset | ^right^write^ |
| 02:50 | Society of Invasive Cardiovascular Professionals? ;)\ | |
| 02:51 | mtj | and lets face it, developers that dont 'do' tests, are precisely the kind of developers that need to do tests |
| 02:52 | jcamins | Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs. |
| 02:52 | mtompset | I know, jcamins, I was joking. That was the first Google link. |
| 02:53 | That being yours and not the joke. | |
| 02:58 | I just wrote a script the other day to make sure where the Test::Strict error was triggered, because of the 00-strict.t db_dependent test. | |
| 02:59 | because I found it with ./koha_perl_deps.pl, so my script runs all the valid cases (and a couple invalid) for calling koha_perl_deps.pl | |
| 03:00 | the -c option looks ugly in a less of a file redirect, but at least you can see if it worked or not. | |
| 03:01 | huggin is still offline? | |
| 03:01 | kawawa si huggin! Poor huggin. | |
| 03:08 | rangi | oh i updated that bug mtompset |
| 03:08 | Test::Strict should have required 0 | |
| 03:08 | but other than that its fine | |
| 03:09 | until someone puts a test using it in t/ itself that is | |
| 03:09 | mtompset | Yes, I saw that. I agree with that. I haven't tweaked the patch yet. |
| 03:13 | mtj | gmcharlt: could you fix huggin please? |
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| 03:36 | Amit_Gupta joined #koha | |
| 03:36 | Amit_Gupta | heya bag |
| 03:42 | rangi | really, delete in reports .. really |
| 03:48 | mtompset | delete in reports? |
| 03:48 | no report should do a DELETE in the SQL. | |
| 03:49 | Greetings, Amit_Gupta | |
| 03:49 | rangi | i know |
| 03:49 | thats why it doesnt | |
| 03:49 | just someone was asking for it to | |
| 03:55 | mtompset | which bug report is that? |
| 03:56 | rangi | not a bug report the mailing list |
| 03:59 | mtompset | Ah, it must be a list to which I am not subscribed. |
| 03:59 | rangi | its the main koha list |
| 04:00 | well i warned them | |
| 04:01 | jcamins | You should probably subscribe. |
| 04:01 | mtompset | which list? |
| 04:01 | mailing lists? | |
| 04:01 | wahanui | mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 04:02 | rangi | the main one |
| 04:02 | ie the first one there :) | |
| 04:05 | cait joined #koha | |
| 04:07 | cait | hi #koha |
| 04:07 | jcamins_away | Good night. |
| 04:10 | cait | good night jcamins_away |
| 04:12 | mtompset | good night, jcamins_away |
| 04:12 | Greetings, cait | |
| 04:12 | cait | morning mtompset |
| 04:13 | mtompset | GAH! That is starting to bug me... the message says redirect in 5 seconds, but the redirect is coded for 10. |
| 04:14 | I won't be do bugged if it said 10, and was 5 though. :) | |
| 04:14 | ^do^so^ | |
| 04:17 | cait | koha? |
| 04:17 | wahanui | koha is a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info |
| 04:18 | mtompset | Yes, step 3 on the web-installer. |
| 04:18 | The only reason I catch the discrepancy is because of my browser: lynx. :) | |
| 04:20 | lynx? | |
| 04:21 | Really wahanui doesn't know about lynx? | |
| 04:24 | lynx is the most amazing browser in the world. It is the fastest page loading browser, so much so that Microsoft was considering changing their web browser engine to be modeled around it (http://www.sitepoint.com/micro[…]nternet-explorer/ -- APRIL 1) ;) | |
| 04:24 | lynx | |
| 04:24 | lynx? | |
| 04:25 | I guess I haven't mastered wahanui use. | |
| 04:28 | lynx is the most amazing browser in the world. | |
| 04:28 | lynx? | |
| 04:28 | wahanui | lynx is the most amazing browser in the world. |
| 04:28 | mtompset | lynx is also the fastest page loading browser. |
| 04:28 | wahanui | okay, mtompset. |
| 04:28 | mtompset | lynx? |
| 04:28 | wahanui | somebody said lynx was the most amazing browser in the world. or the fastest page loading browser. |
| 04:29 | mtompset | forget lynx |
| 04:29 | wahanui | mtompset: I forgot lynx |
| 04:29 | mtompset | lynx is the most amazing browser in the world. |
| 04:29 | I'll live with that. :) | |
| 05:21 | rangi | Well be it on her head then |
| 05:30 | mtompset | why are body pseudo elements so stupid about height? |
| 05:34 | Replying to thread too... | |
| 05:38 | I think the problem is her indexes aren't up to date and she's going to try to delete a ghost record. | |
| 05:39 | cait | she did run a script to find unindexed records |
| 05:39 | so not sure that is the problem | |
| 05:42 | rangi | It's hard to know it's split over 3 threads |
| 05:42 | And English isn't her native language | |
| 05:42 | It looks like corrupt Marc | |
| 05:43 | But deleting records might be only treating the symptoms | |
| 05:44 | mtompset | The problems I experienced with indexing were due to memory issues. |
| 05:44 | We had ghost records. | |
| 05:45 | Fixed the indexing. | |
| 05:45 | Ghosts disappeared. | |
| 05:46 | Is there a way to read the thread online? | |
| 05:46 | rangi | This is the opposite |
| 05:46 | mtompset | Seeing as I subscribed late. |
| 05:46 | cait | there is nabble |
| 05:46 | and the archives | |
| 05:46 | rangi | Her indexing fails because of bad records |
| 05:46 | cait | and her problem is not ghost records, but the zebrasrv dying |
| 05:47 | mtompset | yes, but if you delete a record, and it still appears in search... that's a similar effect, cait. |
| 05:47 | cait | yes, but not her problem |
| 05:47 | mtompset | where do I read the archives? |
| 05:47 | cait | ghost records in the index are not a similar effect - they don't make zebra die |
| 05:48 | they are just confusing | |
| 05:48 | mtj | http://koha-community.org/support/forums/ |
| 05:48 | cait | mailing lists? |
| 05:48 | wahanui | mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 05:48 | mtompset | I'm subscribed now. |
| 05:49 | mtj | http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/ |
| 05:50 | http://www.mail-archive.com/ko[…]sts.katipo.co.nz/ | |
| 05:56 | yeah, my hunch is she has glitchy cut/pasted text in her bibs | |
| 05:56 | ...and those records are causing zebra to fail its rebuild | |
| 05:58 | in that situation rebuild_zebra.pl would fail for a full rebuild | |
| 05:59 | as well as sometimes failing on a partial rebuild | |
| 05:59 | mtompset | Okay, now that I've read the whole thread, that seems like the logical conclusion. |
| 06:00 | Sorry for replying out of context. Oh well. :( | |
| 06:00 | mtj | the catch is , she doesnt have enuff knowledge to debug or fix the problem herself |
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| 06:01 | * mtompset | nods. |
| 06:02 | mtompset | If I wanted to put a border around the staff client, any suggestions on how to do it? |
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| 06:02 | cait | why do you want to imprison it? |
| 06:02 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:03 | mtompset | To make it match our other sites. |
| 06:03 | style-wise. | |
| 06:03 | At least in this regard. | |
| 06:03 | cait | hm |
| 06:04 | I don't understand that mostly | |
| 06:04 | noone would try to make the word or windows match their other sites | |
| 06:04 | mtj | mtompset http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_border.asp |
| 06:04 | cait | but people do with the staff client |
| 06:04 | mtj | .body {border:5px solid red;} |
| 06:05 | mtompset | Yes, but will it have the same problem as the pseudo labels? putting the border only the size of the visible screen? |
| 06:06 | mtj | pass, not sure what a pseudo-label is, even... |
| 06:09 | mtompset: looks like theres a zillion ways to do that... depending on your browser :) | |
| 06:09 | mtompset | depending on the browser. |
| 06:09 | I'd like the way that affects koha file least. :P | |
| 06:09 | mtj | and a zillion more, if your browser =~ /ie/ ;) |
| 06:10 | mtompset | Sorry, mtj... that method has the same bug that is frustrating. |
| 06:11 | I wonder if IE does it right. | |
| 06:11 | mtj | hmm, i think i can guess that answer to that question... |
| 06:13 | mtompset | login: correct. |
| 06:13 | first screen: correct. | |
| 06:13 | now for the challenge. | |
| 06:13 | system preferences. | |
| 06:13 | wahanui | i guess system preferences is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ystem_Preferences |
| 06:13 | mtj | use css, (and then jquery if you need too) and put the changes in the appropriate koha syspref |
| 06:14 | mtompset | busted like firefox. |
| 06:15 | I've got the changes in css... | |
| 06:15 | I copied staff-global.css, made tweaks, and then point koha at the tweaked version. | |
| 06:16 | border: 10px solid red --- doesn't make it to the bottom of the system preferences page. | |
| 06:18 | Top and sides look great until... you scroll up and see the bottom border going across. :( | |
| 06:20 | mtj | no offence , but it seems like a super no-no design idea |
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| 06:21 | mtompset | No offense taken, but let's say I throw out bottom... I still would want the sides going down to the bottom. |
| 06:22 | The problem is, if I set a background picture.... | |
| 06:22 | It bleeds into the working area, because there is no div encompassing it all. | |
| 06:23 | mtj | then use jq to insert that magic div... |
| 06:24 | mtompset | never used jquery before. |
| 06:24 | does it go in the html file? | |
| 06:24 | mtj | i test my crappy jq in the .tt file, then at it to the jsctipt koha syspref - when its working ok |
| 06:25 | s/at/add/ | |
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| 06:27 | mtompset | Okay... thanks for the ideas, mtj. |
| 06:27 | mtj++ | |
| 06:29 | mtj | ftw: the syspref page has got a glitch with the body element |
| 06:30 | it looks that way in firebug, at least | |
| 06:33 | the template might have a missing closing div? | |
| 06:35 | the trick for you might be to add the border code to the doc* elements, not the body | |
| 06:35 | . | |
| 06:35 | #doc, #doc1, #doc2, #doc3 {border:5px solid red;} | |
| 06:37 | oops, i take that back | |
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| 06:38 | alex_a | bonjour #koha |
| 06:39 | cait | hi alex_a |
| 06:39 | bbiab | |
| 06:39 | cait left #koha | |
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| 06:49 | mtompset | I looked at this in firefox and IE (firefox regardless of firebug on or off) |
| 06:51 | mtj | im saying, look at the syspref page in firebug |
| 06:51 | you can clearly see the body element does not extend to the bottom of the document | |
| 06:52 | why? not sure... but thats the bug... | |
| 06:52 | fix that 'body' bug on the sysprefs page , you fix your border problem.... | |
| 06:53 | mtompset | It's the difference between $(document).height(); and $(window).height(); |
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| 06:58 | gaetan_B | hello :) |
| 07:01 | mtompset | Greetingsd, gaetan_B \ |
| 07:02 | * mtompset | frowns, "I obviously and doing something wrong, and this jquery stuff is just as frustrating as the border bug."\ |
| 07:03 | mtompset | ^I'm^I^ |
| 07:04 | $(body).append('<p style="font-size:72pt">CHECK</p>'); | |
| 07:04 | Why is there a big CHECK on my page somewhere? | |
| 07:04 | ^is^isn't^ | |
| 07:06 | kf joined #koha | |
| 07:06 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:11 | mtompset | Greetings, kf |
| 07:12 | mveron joined #koha | |
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| 07:12 | mveron | Good morning #koha |
| 07:13 | mtompset | Greetings, mveron. |
| 07:13 | mveron | Good morning #kohahi mtompset |
| 07:13 | francharb joined #koha | |
| 07:14 | francharb | hello |
| 07:15 | kf | hello francharb and mveron :) |
| 07:15 | mveron: glad you survived the big wave of mails :) | |
| 07:16 | mveron | hello francharb and kf :-) |
| 07:17 | kf: Could catch almost all administrative things... | |
| 07:19 | kf | mveron: was only a week away... sorting through 400 mails right now :( |
| 07:20 | mveron | kf: I could give you my diver eyeglasses and my snorkel... |
| 07:20 | :-) | |
| 07:20 | kf | lol |
| 07:20 | thx :) | |
| 07:23 | rangi | evening |
| 07:24 | kf | evening rangi |
| 07:31 | asaurat joined #koha | |
| 07:37 | matts | hi ! |
| 07:38 | rangi | hi matts and magnuse |
| 07:39 | magnuse | kia ora rangi and #koha! |
| 07:40 | long time no see - good to be back | |
| 07:41 | rangi | hows the family? |
| 07:42 | magnuse | doing good! ;-) |
| 07:42 | leonard is growing at a seady pace, it seems | |
| 07:43 | rangi | :) |
| 07:44 | magnuse | s/seady/steady/ |
| 07:44 | rangi++ for the dashboard! | |
| 07:44 | rangi | i hoped you'd like it |
| 07:44 | magnuse | very much so! |
| 07:45 | getting into the "Monthly Scoreboard" list is certainly a motivation | |
| 07:45 | rangi | :) |
| 07:46 | magnuse | rangi++ for 3.8.3 too! |
| 07:46 | * magnuse | plans to upgrade his customers as soon as possible |
| 07:47 | rangi | still some outstanding bugs around fines |
| 07:47 | but it mostly works | |
| 07:47 | apart from that | |
| 07:47 | magnuse | yeah, and none of my customers use fines |
| 07:47 | :-) | |
| 07:48 | rangi | :) |
| 07:48 | magnuse | rangi++ for sign-off'ers in the release notes :-) |
| 07:48 | rangi | ahh that was jcamins |
| 07:49 | jcamins++ | |
| 07:49 | magnuse | jcamins++ then :-) |
| 07:56 | mveron | The Koha Dashboard is really great. Will it be linked in the list of Community ressources on http://koha-community.org/ ? And on the Wiki? |
| 07:56 | eythian joined #koha | |
| 07:58 | magnuse | kia ora eythian! |
| 07:58 | ooh, the solr stuff got pushed? cool! | |
| 07:58 | rangi | needs work before 3.10, but hopefully we can get that done |
| 07:58 | kf | hi magnuse - great to have you back :) |
| 07:59 | eythian | bonjour, magnuse |
| 07:59 | rangi | mveron: yep, you can do the wiki :) ill ask liz to add it to the main site :) |
| 07:59 | kf | magnuse: discovering all the shiny things done while you were away? :) |
| 07:59 | morning eythian | |
| 07:59 | :) | |
| 07:59 | eythian | hello kf |
| 07:59 | magnuse | kf: hiya and thanks! |
| 08:00 | kf | magnuse: maybe we shoul dhave a gbsd soon- concentrating on testing master? |
| 08:00 | rangi | thats a good idea |
| 08:00 | magnuse | kf: yeah, been off the lists for 3 whole weeks, lots of catching up to do |
| 08:00 | yeah, excellent idea kf | |
| 08:00 | want to propose a date? | |
| 08:01 | kf | so let's not forget the idea until you have sorted through the mails |
| 08:01 | hm | |
| 08:01 | not sure about the schedule right now - what date would make sense? | |
| 08:01 | I think maybe sometime next week or the week after next? | |
| 08:01 | magnuse | yeah, sounds sensible |
| 08:02 | kf | do we have a preferred day? maybe friday? |
| 08:02 | magnuse | yeah, i'd vote for a friday, i think |
| 08:03 | week after next would be good for me, give me some time to catch up, but that's just me... | |
| 08:03 | kf | k |
| 08:03 | so maybe august 3rd | |
| 08:03 | or august 10th | |
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| 08:03 | kf | morning paul_p |
| 08:04 | paul_p | hello #koha |
| 08:04 | samuel | hi everybody |
| 08:04 | kf | paul_p: do you still do the community fridays at biblibre? we were discussing a new date for gbsd on a friday in the next 2 weeks |
| 08:04 | magnuse | bonjour paul_p and samuel |
| 08:05 | paul_p | kf (& magnuse) well, last month, we did nothing, because we were busy & there was no official GBSD. But if you set a date for a new one, we will join ! |
| 08:05 | (for those not in holiday, of course... which is not a lot of ppl) | |
| 08:05 | kf | any preference? we were debating august 3rd or 10th |
| 08:05 | concentrating on shaking out some bugs / testing master | |
| 08:07 | magnuse | i'd vote for 10th - it's the day before my birthday :-) |
| 08:07 | mtompset | didn't paul_p say he was on vacation August 4th? |
| 08:07 | paul_p | mtate yes, I'm on vacation from aug 4th to Aug 26 |
| 08:08 | kf | but he can make his employees join us ;) |
| 08:08 | mtompset | But it would have to be 3, if we want his expertise and wisdom too. ;) |
| 08:09 | kf | not sure he will have time one day before his big vacation |
| 08:09 | samuel | excuse me (stupid question) but could you explain what is gbsd? |
| 08:09 | wahanui | samuel: Daemons did it |
| 08:09 | Brooke joined #koha | |
| 08:09 | mtompset | Global Bug Squishing Day. |
| 08:09 | Brooke | o/ |
| 08:10 | magnuse | gbsd? |
| 08:10 | wahanui | hmmm... gbsd is Global Bug Squashing Day |
| 08:10 | mtompset | Oh, so I got the wrong conjugation. :P |
| 08:10 | Brooke | would y'all like a separate page highlighting the dashboard on the wiki or is the stuff at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes going to do the trick? |
| 08:10 | mveron | rangi: I linked the dashboard on the wike mainpage under "Koha Community Sites (and their status)" |
| 08:11 | magnuse | mtompset: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ug_squashing_days |
| 08:11 | rangi | sweet thank you |
| 08:11 | samuel | no problem, that's more clear now |
| 08:11 | magnuse | mveron++ |
| 08:14 | mtompset | Is there more to say about the Dashboard that just the one section you have? If so, I'd create a Dashboard page. Just my opinion. |
| 08:14 | ^that^than^ | |
| 08:14 | samuel | other question (less stupid), we plan to install a discovery tool in our library. Does someone have experience about discovery tool with koha? |
| 08:15 | mtompset | discovery tool? |
| 08:15 | What is a discovery tool? | |
| 08:15 | magnuse | like vufind, blacklight etc? |
| 08:15 | samuel | yes |
| 08:15 | magnuse | ooh 178 new bugs while i was away... |
| 08:18 | Brooke | samuel: if you name which one you're thinking on, it might help me think on who might have |
| 08:18 | mtompset | So would thesocialopac.net be something like what you are thinking of? |
| 08:20 | * rangi | grins at the latest mailing list mail |
| 08:20 | rangi | someone elses turn |
| 08:21 | samuel | Brooke: in France, it is not well known for the moment, it's like an UFO for some people :-) . Actually, we have met EBSCO and Worldcat. At the end of august, we will meet Ex libris and summon. So, we are open but we want something which can good run with koha. |
| 08:21 | mtompset | That's crazy! He wants a librarian-sysadmin. |
| 08:22 | rangi | you mean like a systems librarian? |
| 08:22 | theres thousands of those :-) | |
| 08:22 | samuel | mtompset: not exactly, here is a good link http://www.libraryjournal.com/[…]iscovery.html.csp |
| 08:23 | rangi | i just liked professionist as a word |
| 08:26 | samuel | rangi: thousands of those what? |
| 08:26 | Brooke | thousands of systems librarians, I believe |
| 08:27 | mtompset | Out of population of billions, show how rare they are. |
| 08:27 | rangi | yeah, billions of librians |
| 08:28 | mtompset | Billions of workers regardless of occupation. :P |
| 08:28 | rangi | well it would be pointless to have a billion system librarians without billions of librarians surely? |
| 08:28 | mtompset | A planet of just librarians... we'd be fighting over cataloguing standards instead of land and resources.\ |
| 08:29 | rangi | the point stands, its a real job, its quite common in libraries of a certain size |
| 08:29 | samuel | a rare specie |
| 08:29 | rangi | however that is a very tiny library to be wanting one |
| 08:29 | Brooke | in the Librarian Mad Max scenario, I'd win. #justsayin' |
| 08:29 | * mtompset | grins. |
| 08:31 | samuel | yes and when i've discovered this link http://jobs.code4lib.org/, i was very surprised, i've never seen so many jobs for IT librarian |
| 08:32 | rangi | yeah, it's a growing field |
| 08:33 | eythian | Well, 'I' is half of ' |
| 08:33 | IT' | |
| 08:33 | mtompset | So I should go back to school for a masters in librarian sciences as I already have a BMath in CompSci? |
| 08:34 | samuel | i don't think so |
| 08:35 | Brooke | no |
| 08:35 | rangi | samuel: lee at butte montana is using EDS with Koha |
| 08:35 | mtompset | Just a passing thought. ;) |
| 08:36 | samuel | rangi: ok |
| 08:37 | drojf | "Data librarian. Tags: Data management, Microsoft Access, Microsoft Excel, Microsoft SharePoint Designer" does not sound very attractive |
| 08:37 | good day #koha | |
| 08:38 | mtompset | The words SharePoint Designer made it unattractive. :) |
| 08:38 | samuel | mtompset: in France, people like me have not master in librarian science, we learn at work (with our high school and exams so boring, it's more exciting to learn by yourself and at work) |
| 08:39 | rangi | samuel: you could also mail the list, i think some others would be using one too |
| 08:39 | drojf | samuel: that's the way you learn the stuff you actually need to know. in germany you are often considered not worth anything without a sheet of paper saying you did that all in theory |
| 08:41 | rangi | a mix is good |
| 08:41 | practical for how, theory for why | |
| 08:42 | thats what i look for in a job applicant | |
| 08:43 | samuel | drojf: yes, when i see cod4libs and all the jobs, it's a dream. In germany or In France, we are less pragmatic and open-minded for that. |
| 08:52 | drojf | yes cool website! ptfs is looking for an ils system administrator |
| 08:53 | … | |
| 08:54 | * rangi | sends his cv |
| 08:54 | samuel | good idea |
| 08:55 | drojf | :) |
| 08:56 | eythian | Oh man, I was going to apply for that. Now there's all this competition... |
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| 08:56 | drojf | heh eythian |
| 08:56 | muzu | hi |
| 08:57 | hi drojf | |
| 08:59 | magnuse | feels like i should know this, but why are some of the modules om the "perl modules" page in the staff client in bold and some not? |
| 08:59 | s/om/on/ | |
| 09:00 | eythian | Required vs. optional? (just guessing) |
| 09:00 | magnuse | ah, could be |
| 09:00 | rangi | yep thats it |
| 09:01 | magnuse | cool, thanks |
| 09:06 | drojf | eythian: any idea when packages for 3.8.3 are coming? |
| 09:06 | eythian | drojf: today or tomorrow hopefully |
| 09:06 | drojf | cool, thanks |
| 09:09 | magnuse | no libchi-perl yet? |
| 09:12 | eythian | Not yet |
| 09:12 | I've done experimental builds of it, but need to give them a bit of polish. | |
| 09:12 | Maybe something else for the next day or two, I want to do it really soon as it's blocking new master packages. | |
| 09:16 | magnuse | cool |
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| 09:37 | kf | eythian++ :) |
| 09:41 | rangi | oh crappy |
| 09:41 | margaret mahy died | |
| 09:41 | http://www.stuff.co.nz/enterta[…]argaret-Mahy-dies | |
| 09:41 | mtj | meh, that is crappy |
| 09:42 | eythian | yeah, saw that :/ |
| 09:43 | mtj | off-topic, how to hide/suppress items in teh staff-interface? |
| 09:43 | i cant find the option in edit-items, etc... | |
| 09:43 | anyone remember? | |
| 09:44 | kf | mtj: you can't suppress tem in staff |
| 09:44 | only in opac | |
| 09:44 | but not sure it would make sense to hide them in staff? | |
| 09:44 | mtj | but, how do i change an item's status to hide |
| 09:45 | kf | or opac there are at least 2 optiions I think, opacsuppression and opachiddensomthing |
| 09:45 | it's done with a rule I think, like always hide this collection | |
| 09:45 | there is no special status | |
| 09:45 | or you can use a flag on the record | |
| 09:45 | mtj | yep, where/how to set that fag, tho? |
| 09:45 | oops, flag :) | |
| 09:46 | kf | I think ther is a description on the system preference |
| 09:46 | look for suppress something | |
| 09:46 | you use a field in the record and 0/1 I think | |
| 09:46 | drojf | there did not come an option to hide by ip or hide from people not logged in by any chance? |
| 09:46 | kf | http://lists.koha-community.or[…]March/032044.html |
| 09:47 | rangi | drojf: not yet, but it would be handy |
| 09:47 | kf | drojf: hm I don't think so, you can only make it totally hidden |
| 09:47 | yes it would be .) | |
| 09:47 | rangi | hiding for certain categories of borrowers too |
| 09:47 | kf | but it would be nice if we got the paging and numbering sorted out for hiding stuff |
| 09:47 | rangi | so even if you logged in, but you werent a certain type of user you couldnt see it |
| 09:48 | i know special libraries often have stuff that only certain of their staff can see | |
| 09:48 | drojf | yes that would be cool |
| 09:48 | rangi | so it never gets catalogued |
| 09:48 | thus, never seen by anyone | |
| 09:48 | drojf | we have a lot of tv recordings that are not allowed to be found from outside |
| 09:48 | rangi | even the people who are allowed to |
| 09:48 | yep | |
| 09:48 | magnuse | yeah, that could come in handy |
| 09:48 | drojf | so our opac won't be an opac |
| 09:48 | magnuse | i have had a couple libraries interested in that |
| 09:49 | mtj | ah, ok - i got it :) |
| 09:49 | you edit the bib, not the item | |
| 09:50 | ... stick a '1' in the 942$n field | |
| 09:50 | rangi | thats for the suppression one, the opachiddenitems you can hide a type of items |
| 09:50 | extending that, to take borrower category into account shouldnt be that hard | |
| 09:50 | but like kf says, we need to fix the existing bugs first | |
| 09:50 | not pile more on top :) | |
| 09:51 | drojf | i'm more of a pile person :D |
| 09:52 | that reminds me, should do other things today. better get a shower | |
| 09:52 | have a nice day #koha | |
| 09:53 | rangi | cya drojf |
| 09:54 | magnuse | oops typo in opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/opac-topissues.tt:123 - pootle is telling me to translate "of the the last:" |
| 09:55 | kf | hehe |
| 09:55 | yeah, I saw that too | |
| 09:55 | rangi | hmm where's the typo ? |
| 09:55 | kf | there is more |
| 09:55 | lol | |
| 09:55 | rangi: I showed it to you too and you didn't see it :) | |
| 09:55 | the the | |
| 09:55 | it's doubled up | |
| 09:56 | rangi | ah yep, brain just skips it |
| 09:56 | also, that feature kinda sux anyway | |
| 09:56 | we should fix it | |
| 09:56 | mtj | kf: thanx - i'm actually looking for the 'opachiddenitems' syspref :) |
| 09:57 | @seen oleonard | |
| 09:57 | meh, no huggles :/ | |
| 10:07 | hmm, i think the catch is... we want the items hidden from the opac, at the bib level, not item level :/ | |
| 10:07 | so, we gotta use opac-suppress, not opac-hidden-items | |
| 10:08 | and its more work, as each bib needs it 942$n set manually to 1 | |
| 10:09 | kf | mtj: I think the record is hidden when no items |
| 10:09 | so if you hide all items... the record vanishes too (I think) would need a little test | |
| 10:10 | mtj | lol, you are right :) |
| 10:10 | all good! | |
| 10:18 | kf | cool :) |
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| 10:30 | kf | hi davidnind :) |
| 10:31 | davidnind | hi kf :) |
| 10:34 | looks quiet in here this <whatever time it is wherever you are> | |
| 10:34 | kf | lunch time in europe :) |
| 10:35 | aren't you up late? :) | |
| 10:35 | eythian | oh yeah, lunch |
| 10:35 | magnuse | and holidays for a lot of people in the northern hemisphere, probably |
| 10:35 | davidnind | 10:30pm in Wellington, NZ - not too late yet |
| 10:36 | they always seem to be having holidays in the northern hemisphere! | |
| 10:37 | kf | eythian: have you been to the restaurant opposite of biblibre yet? |
| 10:38 | magnuse | eythian is in marseille? |
| 10:39 | kf | magnuse: he is! |
| 10:40 | magnuse | nice! |
| 11:08 | slef | mtj: we've something. What did you need? |
| 11:08 | hi all | |
| 11:12 | eythian | kf: which one? |
| 11:12 | The lebanese one? | |
| 11:14 | kf | yes |
| 11:14 | we went there at the hackfest this year | |
| 11:15 | jcamins | Mmm. Lebanese food. |
| 11:15 | magnuse | lebanese_food++ |
| 11:16 | and hiya slef and jcamins | |
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| 11:16 | kf | it was yum. |
| 11:16 | jcamins | Hi magnuse. Welcome back! |
| 11:17 | magnuse | jcamins: thanks! |
| 11:17 | eythian | kf: we had takeaway from there the other day, but that's it. |
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| 11:17 | kf | oh, and did you like it? |
| 11:20 | slef | hi magnuse |
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| 11:23 | slef | anyone like to do a bit of clicktivism to help make Olympics sponsors pay their taxes? https://secure.38degrees.org.u[…]ympic-tax-dodging |
| 11:32 | mtompset | only if you can solve my body.border=10px solid red problem. :) |
| 11:53 | mtj | slef: i need a huggin |
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| 11:53 | mtj | a hugginkissin |
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| 11:57 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 11:57 | magnuse | kia ora NateC and oleonard |
| 11:58 | NateC | Hi magnuse! |
| 11:58 | reiveune | bye |
| 11:59 | * kf | waves |
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| 11:59 | kf | eythian: 17 now and wifi :) |
| 12:02 | * mtompset | is taking oleonard's advice to style more nicely, with the impending upgrade for our library coming up. |
| 12:02 | mtompset | I'm ALMOST there. |
| 12:02 | That search area and logo doesn't have a div on it. | |
| 12:02 | Very annoying. | |
| 12:04 | oleonard | What logo are you trying to change mtompset ? |
| 12:05 | mtompset | not trying to change the logo... the area in the staff client... below the "circulation, patrons, etc. etc." and before the "Home > ..." |
| 12:05 | There's no div. | |
| 12:05 | oleonard | There is in master |
| 12:05 | mtompset | I'm dealing with 3.6.7 :P |
| 12:06 | oleonard | Okay. But isn't it nice to hear that the thing you're complaining about is fixed in a later version? |
| 12:06 | mtompset | Yes, that is true. :) |
| 12:06 | Thanks for the good word. | |
| 12:09 | And I have got the cascading working for mostly everything else. | |
| 12:15 | * mveron | after signing off one of the oldest bugs from dashborad has now to do some Non-Koha-work - and hopes that in the meantime someone will have time to Re-Sign-Off Bug 7621 :-) |
| 12:15 | * oleonard | searches in vain for huginn |
| 12:15 | oleonard | Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7621 |
| 12:22 | kf | oleonard: I think we have to find gmcharlt |
| 12:22 | magnuse | mveron++ |
| 12:22 | kf | mveron++ indeed :) |
| 12:23 | oleonard | Poor gmcharlt, we go looking for him because we like hanging out with his friend. |
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| 12:52 | magnuse | ooh, plack 1.0: https://metacpan.org/release/M[…]GAWA/Plack-1.0000 |
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| 12:56 | mtompset_ | Hmm... must have had a bad net connection. |
| 12:56 | kf | oleonard: true :( |
| 12:57 | mtompset_ | Is there a way to kick the old me? |
| 12:58 | eythian | if you've registered, yes |
| 12:58 | if not, just wait for it to time out | |
| 12:58 | mtompset_ | How do you register? |
| 12:59 | eythian | http://www.oftc.net/oftc/Services/ |
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| 13:02 | mtompset | Okay, now to register. |
| 13:05 | So basically I msg NickServ an identify with password and nick next time, and the old one will be kicked? | |
| 13:06 | eythian | No, but you can (I think) ask NickServ to kick people using your nick now |
| 13:08 | jcamins | I think you use /ghost? |
| 13:08 | eythian | yeah, I think so |
| 13:08 | or /msg nickserv reclaim | |
| 13:08 | jcamins | And then they're given the nick Guest12345 or something like that. |
| 13:16 | mtompset | There's no /ghost |
| 13:17 | eythian | /help ghost says: |
| 13:17 | Gebruik: GHOST <nick> [password], Kills a ghosted nickname | |
| 13:17 | to me | |
| 13:18 | I think it activates a server command that talks to nickserv | |
| 13:20 | mtompset | Probably a DROP to NickServ. |
| 13:20 | There is DROP, REGAIN, RECLAIM. | |
| 13:21 | eythian | you don't want to use DROP |
| 13:21 | mtompset | I just read the help file. |
| 13:24 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 13:24 | mtompset | By the way, what is the default value of [% themelang %]? |
| 13:25 | jcamins | mtompset: it depends on what language you have configured, but I imagine it's usually 'en'. |
| 13:25 | (if you haven't set up any languages) | |
| 13:26 | mtompset | is it ever possible that is it undefined? |
| 13:26 | jcamins | Probably, but it shouldn't be. |
| 13:27 | * magnuse | waves at wizzyrea |
| 13:27 | mtompset | Greetings, wizzyrea |
| 13:27 | I was just looking at the tweaks I made in my mad run to get 3.6.3 working. | |
| 13:28 | <link rel="shortcut icon" href="[% IF ( IntranetFavicon ) %][% IntranetFavicon %][% ELSE %][% themelang %]/includes/favicon.ico[% END %]" type="image/x-icon" /> | |
| 13:28 | if themelang is undefined that will look for http://.../includes/favicon.ico | |
| 13:28 | there's no such directory. | |
| 13:29 | Assuming IntranetFavicon is unset. | |
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| 13:38 | mtompset | I see someone couldn't handle NO_LIBRARY_SET as the branch name. :) |
| 13:38 | jcamins | You shouldn't ever log in as your super user. |
| 13:40 | mtompset | except for the web install and the first time you install? |
| 13:41 | jcamins | Right. |
| 13:42 | mtompset | Other than it is bad practice, is there another reason? |
| 13:42 | oleonard | Things will not work properly |
| 13:42 | The system isn't designed to accommodate usage by that user | |
| 13:43 | ...because it's not a real user account with settings like "home library," permissions, etc. | |
| 13:43 | jcamins | Right. |
| 13:43 | Oh, that was oleonard asking. | |
| 13:43 | eythian | Also, you don't have a real borrower account which causes weirdness |
| 13:44 | or borrowerid | |
| 13:56 | tcohen | hi #koha |
| 13:56 | mtompset: nice script | |
| 13:56 | mtompset | I have a newer version. |
| 13:56 | tcohen | question: which is the recommended reference for setting the zebra daemon? |
| 13:56 | mtompset | Use. |
| 13:59 | tcohen | <un-pause> |
| 14:01 | * eythian | builds 3.6.7 packages |
| 14:02 | jcamins | eythian++ |
| 14:02 | tcohen: what do you mean? | |
| 14:02 | I just follow the instructions in INSTALL.debian. | |
| 14:02 | mtompset | I should have tweaked INSTALL.ubuntu |
| 14:02 | tcohen | i'm tweaking that file |
| 14:03 | for sending a patch | |
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| 14:03 | mtompset | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu |
| 14:03 | I made sure it was up to date. | |
| 14:03 | tcohen | INSTALL.ubuntu.precise actually |
| 14:04 | mtompset | If there is anything confusing or conflicting with what you are working on, let me know. |
| 14:04 | tcohen | thanks, that's why I asked about the zebra daemon |
| 14:05 | i'm putting the zebra daemon instructions as default | |
| 14:05 | mtompset | I have never tried the Zebra Queue Daemon |
| 14:05 | jcamins | Don't. |
| 14:05 | Zebraqueue daemon is deprecated and should be removed. | |
| 14:05 | tcohen | not the zebraqueue daemon |
| 14:05 | the zebra daemon | |
| 14:05 | wahanui | the zebra daemon is probably required. |
| 14:05 | mtompset | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]dexing_with_Zebra |
| 14:05 | That is deprecated? | |
| 14:06 | tcohen | no, it isnt |
| 14:06 | jcamins | mtompset: no, but that's not zebraqueue daemon. |
| 14:06 | tcohen | what I mean is the first option in INSTALL.* is to run zebra from comand line |
| 14:06 | which is confusing | |
| 14:06 | jcamins | That's koha-index-daemon |
| 14:07 | mtompset | Okay, I'll change the wording to say Index. |
| 14:07 | tcohen | we could rename that table to indexingqueue |
| 14:08 | eythian | Would probably make more sense with solr |
| 14:08 | tcohen | yeah |
| 14:08 | mtompset | Next question is: is this the preferred method for indexing? |
| 14:08 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 14:09 | mtompset: I prefer koha-index-daemon. | |
| 14:09 | At least for production. | |
| 14:09 | For development/testing I prefer the cron job. | |
| 14:09 | mtompset | Okay, then we should also review the wiki page to see if we can CPAN-less this. :) |
| 14:10 | tcohen | mtompset |
| 14:10 | wahanui | somebody said mtompset was a human being in the Philippines, and is having musical flashbacks. |
| 14:10 | tcohen | i'm rewriting INSTALL.ubuntu, as soon as I have it i'll send the patch so you can review it |
| 14:11 | mtompset | Sure, you have my email. |
| 14:13 | tcohen | jcamins: even when koha-index-daemon is suitable for production |
| 14:14 | do we have a way to set it to run on startup? | |
| 14:16 | jcamins | tcohen: I just symlinked koha-pkg-index-daemon into /etc/init.d |
| 14:16 | (koha-pkg-index-daemon is a script I wrote, and sent a pull request about to fredericd) | |
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| 14:18 | jcamins | Actually, I need to revise koha-pkg-index-daemon. |
| 14:18 | mtompset | just discovered I didn't install apt-file on my new 3.6.7 |
| 14:18 | jcamins | Thanks for remind mge. |
| 14:18 | *me | |
| 14:19 | tcohen | jcamins: I still don't like to have the index updater outside the koha tree |
| 14:19 | we should have it integrated | |
| 14:19 | and include the daemon scripts | |
| 14:19 | jcamins | tcohen: that makes sense to me. |
| 14:19 | tcohen | is Tamil working on that? |
| 14:19 | * eythian | has published 3.6.7 packages, working on 3.8.3 |
| 14:19 | mtompset | but then we won't have a CPAN-less install... NOOOOOO! |
| 14:20 | jcamins | tcohen: not to my knowledge. |
| 14:20 | After the struggle with bug 5600, I think fredericd probably decided it wasn't worth the hassle. | |
| 14:20 | tcohen | mtompset: we're missing libanyevent-processor-perl |
| 14:20 | mtompset | Yep. |
| 14:21 | I'm checking on the moose::util::typeconstraints too. | |
| 14:21 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5600 | |
| 14:22 | tcohen | jcamins: i'll leave the zebr apart of the docs untouched |
| 14:22 | until we sort this out | |
| 14:23 | at least until koha-pkg-index-daemon is included somewhere | |
| 14:23 | jcamins | tcohen: makes sense. That's why I haven't made any efforts to adjust the docs. |
| 14:24 | tcohen | that's why I liked my approach, we could have had this sorted out until someone had the time to integrate those libs... |
| 14:25 | * jcamins | didn't care what approach was used, but the rebasing was problematic. |
| 14:26 | mtompset | I want to stick with my CPAN-less install. :P |
| 14:26 | 3.6.7 and cron jobs do that for me. :) | |
| 14:26 | jcamins | To be honest, I'm not entirely sure what the difference is between fredericd's daemon and yours, other than that yours required rebasing. |
| 14:26 | mtompset: I don't use CPAN. | |
| 14:26 | * tcohen | neither cared, that's why he abandoned his proposal |
| 14:27 | mtompset | external non-default repo? :P |
| 14:27 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 14:27 | * mtompset | cringes. |
| 14:27 | mtompset | I'm a purist. |
| 14:27 | jcamins | Everything that I think I might use gets built into a package. |
| 14:28 | mtompset | That's the beauty of this 3.6.7 -- we got CPAN-less if you use cron jobs. |
| 14:28 | (under 12.04) | |
| 14:31 | It was so glorious just doing the single dselect and not having to hunt for missing pieces. | |
| 14:31 | jcamins | mtompset: pfft. I do "sudo apt-get install koha-common" and don't worry about how to use dselect. :P |
| 14:32 | mtompset | You are trying to push my buttons. :P |
| 14:32 | jcamins | Working pretty well, too. |
| 14:34 | mtompset | Ubuntu will never grow up if it keeps going home. :P |
| 14:38 | tcohen | is there a place to look for languages codes? |
| 14:38 | to point users to it | |
| 14:39 | magnuse | tcohen: for use in marc records? |
| 14:39 | tcohen | no, for giving instrucions on translating your koha setup |
| 14:39 | in INSTALL.ubuntu | |
| 14:40 | magnuse | ah |
| 14:40 | mtompset | translating? |
| 14:40 | wahanui | i guess translating is ok of course :) |
| 14:40 | tcohen | mtompset: 'get your templates translated'? |
| 14:42 | mtompset | The only reference to Templates is in the Upgrade section. |
| 14:42 | tcohen | 7. Install additional languages |
| 14:42 | In your install directory you can run this commands to have your Koha setup translated | |
| 14:42 | to your language: | |
| 14:42 | Set your environment variables: | |
| 14:42 | $ export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/koha/koha-conf.xml | |
| 14:42 | $ export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ | |
| 14:42 | Run the translator script: | |
| 14:42 | $ cd /usr/share/koha/misc/translator | |
| 14:42 | $ perl translate install <language-code> | |
| 14:42 | (that's what I wrote) | |
| 14:43 | I just want to point potential users to a list of language codes | |
| 14:44 | mtompset | Silly me and my English-ist ways. |
| 14:45 | I hadn't considered other languages during install. | |
| 14:45 | That may merit a wiki update tomorrow. | |
| 14:55 | tcohen | mtompset, i'm about to post a patch in bug 8478 |
| 14:56 | any correction you suggest will be welcomed | |
| 14:57 | mtompset | I've put myself on the CC list, I'll check email tomorrow and see it. :) |
| 14:58 | tcohen | network is slow, i'm waiting for a git pull still... |
| 14:58 | kf | tcohen: I think we are using iso codes - but the codes are differnt to those used in pootle in some cases |
| 14:58 | tcohen: I think maybe point to the po file directory? | |
| 14:59 | tcohen | mm, good idea kf |
| 15:01 | oleonard | I must have spent too much time reading Bugzilla emails last week. Gmail is marking every single one "important" now |
| 15:01 | kf | lol |
| 15:01 | tcohen | maybe Koha is important for you? |
| 15:01 | kf | they are! :) |
| 15:01 | tcohen | :-P |
| 15:02 | jcamins | lol |
| 15:02 | oleonard | Gmail: "BREAKING NEWS: MTOMPSET HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE CC FIELD OF THIS BUG!" |
| 15:02 | * mtompset | laughs,. |
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| 15:03 | kf | wb paul_p |
| 15:03 | did we agree on 10th? magnuse? | |
| 15:03 | mtompset | Why would bugzilla mass mail for things like adding myself to the CC? |
| 15:03 | paul_p | hi kf. I did not knew I was away... |
| 15:03 | silly internet connection... | |
| 15:08 | mtompset | Actually, the one thing the install instructions don't say is which very of 12.04 and which version 10.04 |
| 15:09 | Perhaps we should suggest the server versions, and provide links? | |
| 15:09 | And also mention that a base install of SSH server and LAMP server is good? | |
| 15:10 | Well, I feel my brain oozing as my language skills failing.\ | |
| 15:10 | jcamins | mtompset: both of those make sense. |
| 15:10 | mtompset | Think it is time to sleep. |
| 15:11 | eythian | LAMP implies PHP, beware of that :) |
| 15:11 | mtompset | I'm sure someone is going to write some sucky authentication method patched through SimpleSAMLPHP. :P |
| 15:12 | And worse... hook it into Koha. | |
| 15:12 | eythian | jcamins: you ever seen this? |
| 15:12 | dpkg-deb: building package `koha-common' in `../koha-common_3.8.3-1_all.deb'. | |
| 15:12 | dpkg-deb (subprocess): compressing data member: internal gzip write error: 'No such file or directory' | |
| 15:12 | dpkg-deb: error: subprocess <compress> from tar -cf returned error exit status 2 | |
| 15:13 | mtompset | I better leave before curiosity catches me. |
| 15:13 | * mtompset | waves. |
| 15:14 | jcamins | Yikes! |
| 15:14 | eythian: no I have not. | |
| 15:15 | eythian | drat |
| 15:15 | the built works fine, it just fails right at the end when making the package | |
| 15:16 | jcamins | Out of space? |
| 15:16 | eythian | nope, checked that |
| 15:16 | jcamins | Uhhh... |
| 15:16 | -x permissions on a directory? | |
| 15:17 | eythian | nope. I used the same layout to build a different version moments before, though in between I'd done a pbuilder udpate |
| 15:18 | (which shouldn't cause this) | |
| 15:19 | tcohen | error creating a temporary dir? |
| 15:19 | eythian | shouldn't be, everything completes up to this point |
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| 15:27 | tcohen | apt-get install gzip? :-P |
| 15:27 | eythian | heh |
| 15:29 | well, doing just debuild worked... | |
| 15:29 | internal error: mkdir /tmp/Uotlf6lrwh/binary/koha: No space left on device | |
| 15:29 | ohh | |
| 15:29 | interesting | |
| 15:29 | wahanui | i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 15:29 | eythian | maybe the space thing was right |
| 15:31 | I think maybe it's cleaning up after the failure, so it looks like space is free | |
| 15:34 | http://imgur.com/A8SlG <-- NSFW :) | |
| 15:40 | jcamins | paul_p: what is the problem with bug 5079? |
| 15:41 | paul_p | hi jcamins. The problem is the useless syspref |
| 15:41 | jcamins | I disagree that it is useless. |
| 15:41 | paul_p | jcamins = argue pls |
| 15:42 | jcamins | The idea behind the syspref is that little libraries who don't have much technical expertise use Koha too. |
| 15:42 | * jcamins | works with some of them, but a lot more can't even afford C & P. |
| 15:43 | jcamins | They install Koha, and find that they want to display the collection code or location. |
| 15:43 | paul_p | jcamins = so we could provide an alternate XSLT in KOHA itself (or on the wiki, or anywhere) |
| 15:43 | jcamins | That would be even worse! |
| 15:43 | Then we'd have to update *two* files every time we had a change to the results. | |
| 15:43 | And then there would be another on/off option, so we'd have four files. | |
| 15:44 | Then 8, 16... | |
| 15:44 | Yikes! | |
| 15:44 | And that's only with four options. | |
| 15:44 | paul_p | + I agree that it's good to have it, i'm not objecting that. What i'm objecting is that we add a syspref. If we have XSLT, it's to let the library be able to define the display. We don't need an alternate way to configure it |
| 15:44 | jcamins | The syspref is to that the library is able to use the feature. |
| 15:45 | paul_p | otherwise, i'll say "add a syspref to display the barcode", "add a syspref to display the return date" ... |
| 15:45 | jcamins | The entire point of that bug was that there had to be a syspref, because for 3.8 you objected to adding the collection code without a syspref, wasn't it? |
| 15:45 | paul_p | jcamins = I think we should just display the location by default. |
| 15:45 | jcamins ??? | |
| 15:45 | wahanui | jcamins is A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins |
| 15:45 | paul_p | I don't think so |
| 15:46 | jcamins | paul_p: my understanding was that there was a patch without a syspref that was failed from 3.8 *because* it didn't have a syspref. |
| 15:46 | So bug 5079 was reported. | |
| 15:46 | paul_p | jcamins my 1st comment: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=5079#c15 |
| 15:47 | jcamins | Right, but that's on the bug including the syspref. |
| 15:47 | eythian | jcamins: looks like it was the space, it's happy now. What a terrible error message :) |
| 15:47 | jcamins | I thought there was a different patch which added the information without the syspref that was submitted for 3.8. |
| 15:47 | paul_p | jcamins I don't think so |
| 15:47 | (or I don't remember it) | |
| 15:48 | jcamins | libsysguy_afk: do you remember why you redid the patch for bug 5079? Originally it didn't have a syspref, and I had understood that the reason you redid it was because it failed QA for not having a syspref. |
| 15:49 | eythian: ugh. Well, at least it's working now. | |
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| 15:50 | paul_p | jcamins (imo, if a library don't have the skill or the funding to have it's own XSLT, then she will be OK with the default one -with the location &callnumber added-) |
| 15:50 | jcamins | I thought the argument was that this was a change to the display, which is unacceptable for existing Koha libraries. |
| 15:51 | paul_p | wow, I hope we can change some things if we think it's for a better usability ! and in this case, I strongly think it is ! |
| 15:53 | * eythian | publishes 3.8.3 packages, finally. |
| 15:53 | jcamins | paul_p: it's easy enough to remove the syspref, but I don't really see any reason not to keep it. |
| 15:54 | paul_p | jcamins = because we have too many, and I really want to fight against those that we don't need ! |
| 15:55 | jcamins (one of my 1st goal for next "Hackfest in Europe" will be to have a team working on listing them all & discuss !) | |
| 15:55 | jcamins | paul_p: but it sounds like actual users like oleonard feel that it is important to be able to enable these things individually. |
| 15:55 | paul_p | jcamins = side comment: we will organise a hackfest in Marseille next march, as this year. You'll be more than welcome to join us ! |
| 15:55 | libsysguy | jcamins I think it was requested somewhere in the bug for QA comments |
| 15:56 | i know paul_p had an issue with the spacing at first | |
| 15:56 | i feel like changes to the display of the opac generally require a syspref don't they? | |
| 15:57 | gaetan_B | when editing authority types subfields, there is a "Select to display or not:" dropdown menu, is there a way to hide the field when the authority is displayed but not when it is being edited ? |
| 15:58 | eythian | you clearly need a syspref which, when set, shows you all the extra sysprefs. |
| 15:58 | gaetan_B | eythian++ |
| 15:58 | kf | paul_p: I disagree about havint too many system preferences and it used to be a pref for the normal view too |
| 15:58 | jcamins | Yeah, the spacing was a big issue. |
| 15:58 | I fixed that. | |
| 15:58 | kf | paul_p: not sure what it is called right now, but there is one to change item display on result lists for normal view, so why not have one for xslt? |
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| 15:58 | jcamins | They do, yes. This is a new policy. |
| 15:58 | gaetan_B: I don't think so. | |
| 15:59 | oleonard | jcamins: Does bug 5079 supercede the OPACItemsResultsDisplay preference? |
| 15:59 | paul_p | kf ? |
| 15:59 | wahanui | kf is, like, cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert |
| 15:59 | kf | I think oleonard found the one :) |
| 16:00 | jcamins | oleonard: I don't think so, no. Does that syspref already do what we want? |
| 16:00 | kf | I think sysprefs give great strength to koha being flexible, yes they are somtimes a pain and some could be on a different level working even better in more detail... |
| 16:00 | and I think we need this one :) | |
| 16:00 | oleonard | I think it does the same thing to the "normal" display, but I'm not clear on what all 5079 does |
| 16:00 | kf | jcamins: I think it works only for normal view, there is a bug somewhere |
| 16:00 | and it might not have this specific setting | |
| 16:01 | jcamins | oleonard: are you sure it exists? |
| 16:01 | (still) | |
| 16:01 | kf | have to go :) |
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| 16:01 | oleonard | jcamins: Am I sure OPACItemsResultsDisplay exists? |
| 16:01 | jcamins | Right. |
| 16:01 | oleonard | I am. |
| 16:01 | Tested it recently. | |
| 16:02 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 16:02 | Where would I find it? | |
| 16:02 | oleonard | Searching > Results Display |
| 16:02 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 16:02 | * jcamins | goes looking for it. |
| 16:02 | jcamins | Hm, why don't we just use that? |
| 16:03 | oleonard | Hence my comment: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ug.cgi?id=5079#c1 :P |
| 16:03 | jcamins | oleonard: all I did was rebase based on the final QA comments. |
| 16:04 | oleonard | A huge wall of comments can be daunting. |
| 16:04 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #788 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 19 days ago) |
| 16:04 | jcamins | Yes, and the QA comment was "don't reindent." |
| 16:06 | * jcamins | will just switch sysprefs. |
| 16:08 | paul_p | oleonard++ |
| 16:08 | * jcamins | tests OPACItemsResultsDisplay. |
| 16:08 | jcamins | This does something completely different. |
| 16:08 | Not very well described, is it? | |
| 16:08 | It seems to hide *all* information about items. | |
| 16:09 | oleonard | Well, it still shows library and item count |
| 16:10 | jcamins | When it's turned on. |
| 16:12 | oleonard | Oh wait, maybe the reason it worked for me was because I was testing a bugfix for it... |
| 16:12 | jcamins | Yeah, I tested the bugfix. |
| 16:12 | (just now) | |
| 16:13 | When it's set to "Don't show," no information is shown at all. | |
| 16:13 | When it's set to "Show," little information is shown. | |
| 16:15 | * jcamins | throws the patch back on the floor. |
| 16:16 | oleonard | That's not the behavior I saw |
| 16:16 | jcamins | I can run it on my servers. |
| 16:16 | oleonard: really? All I'm seeing with the patch applied is call number. | |
| 16:18 | oleonard | Are we talking about Bug 5409? |
| 16:18 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 16:18 | Not even which library owns it. | |
| 16:22 | drojf | i'm late for the party, but +1 for sysprefs. as long as they make sense and the default is sane, there cannot be enough. maybe there could be an "advanced settings" setting if people think it is getting to much, but we should not deny people options |
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| 16:26 | cait | hi #koha |
| 16:28 | oleonard | "Don't show": http://screencast.com/t/ev5tNZYSvxi "Show": http://screencast.com/t/wn8bWUlM |
| 16:28 | jcamins | oleonard: hm. I didn't even see the library name. |
| 16:28 | Eh. | |
| 16:29 | Probably needed to reindex or something. | |
| 16:29 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 16:29 | oleonard | jcamins: Did you run the db update? |
| 16:29 | jcamins | oleonard: ooh, it probably wasn't automatically picked up. |
| 16:29 | It would've been .XXX. | |
| 16:29 | Good call. | |
| 16:33 | cait | still discussing the pref? :) |
| 16:34 | * cait | is sorry for commenting and storming out |
| 16:35 | jcamins | cait: nah, I lost interest. |
| 16:35 | cait | hm |
| 16:45 | paul_p: I have to add something about the xslt - I tihnk we should make it easy for libraries to have options without having to be programmers. Your own XSLT is never going to see new features on updates and it's a pain if you want to have multiple languages which libraries here want and need. | |
| 16:55 | drojf | that was too much ;) |
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| 17:04 | drojf | cait: now that i seem to have a basic patch for opac suppression for ips outside of a certain ip range, what is the problem with opacsuppression and page numbering? |
| 17:04 | cait | maybe :) |
| 17:05 | too much | |
| 17:05 | sorry, trying to not drop tomato juice on the laptop | |
| 17:05 | it skips | |
| 17:05 | drojf | good idea |
| 17:05 | :) | |
| 17:05 | cait | if you use opachiddenitems the numbering is removed and you don't always have the same number of records on each page |
| 17:05 | drojf | ah ok. but i extended opacsuppression |
| 17:05 | cait | and if the numbering wasn't removed, it woudl have holes |
| 17:06 | might be similar but not sure | |
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| 17:07 | jcamins | opacsuppression is different. |
| 17:07 | drojf | opacsuppression just adds a string to teh search query, so i suppose that works ok |
| 17:07 | jcamins | Right. |
| 17:07 | drojf | the other removes results later i guess |
| 17:07 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 17:08 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #788: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/788/ |
| 17:08 | * mtompset: Bug 8458 - $stemmed_operand in C4::Search _build_stemmed_operand is not initialized. Added =q{} to initialize it to the empty string at declaration time. | |
| 17:08 | * nengard: Bug 8453: Add spaces to inventory options | |
| 17:08 | * m.de.rooy: 8268 Followup for creating var spool subdir. | |
| 17:08 | * srdjan: bug_8083: parameters subpermissions: manage_circ_rules and parameters_remaining_permissions | |
| 17:08 | * srdjan: bug_8083: Explanation of update query | |
| 17:08 | * paul.poulain: Bug 8083 follow-up DBRev number | |
| 17:10 | Starting build #789 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 19 days ago) | |
| 17:10 | jcamins | Oh look, Master is still unstable. |
| 17:17 | * drojf | gives master a cookie |
| 17:17 | cait | drojf: :) |
| 17:18 | shouldn't you be working on your studies? :P | |
| 17:21 | * jcamins | is taking a finance class online. |
| 17:21 | jcamins | I'm on page 4 of the text. |
| 17:22 | cait | did you fall asleep yet? |
| 17:22 | jcamins | lol |
| 17:22 | drojf | when did you start? |
| 17:22 | cait | but that comment was for drojf ;) |
| 17:22 | jcamins | cait: I know. |
| 17:23 | drojf: I started reading the book this morning. | |
| 17:23 | drojf: well, I read three and a half pages of the book this morning. | |
| 17:24 | drojf | it's good to let it sink in a little after some pages ;) |
| 17:24 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 17:24 | Exactly. | |
| 17:24 | Fortunately I have one week until the homework is due. | |
| 17:25 | cait | why are you doing that to yourself? |
| 17:25 | jcamins | cait: so that I know more about finance. |
| 17:26 | drojf | he wants to handle $70000 on a search rewrite |
| 17:26 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 17:26 | drojf | s/on/for |
| 17:26 | jcamins | Though that's accounting not finance. |
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| 17:27 | mbalmer | ola |
| 17:28 | jcamins | drojf: actually, I'd like to learn how the stock market works so that I can invest enough for C & P to be able to donate *all* the labor, and not just half of it. |
| 17:28 | drojf | :) |
| 17:28 | the trick with the stock market is, it does not work | |
| 17:29 | cait | dice? |
| 17:30 | jcamins | drojf: cait: well, maybe I can use the book for divination. |
| 17:30 | cait | hm |
| 18:10 | oleonard | Is "SHOW COLUMNS" mysql-specific? |
| 18:11 | mbalmer | oh yes |
| 18:11 | oleonard | Is there a standardized way of doing it? |
| 18:12 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #789: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/789/ |
| 18:12 | * oleonard: Bug 8130 [FOLLOW-UP] attach PDF files to a patron record | |
| 18:12 | * kyle: Bug 8130: [SIGNED-OFF] Followup - Empty file upload error never displays. | |
| 18:12 | * jonathan.druart: Bug 8130: Followup: errors must be a hashref | |
| 18:12 | * nengard: Bug 6716: Document aqbudgets and aqbudgetperiods tables | |
| 18:12 | * nengard: Bug 6716: Document the aqorders table | |
| 18:12 | * nengard: Bug 6716: Document aqorders_items table | |
| 18:12 | * nengard: Bug 6716: Document branchtransfers table | |
| 18:12 | * nengard: Bug 6716: Update ratings table documentation | |
| 18:12 | * nengard: Bug 6716: Document action_logs table | |
| 18:12 | * nengard: Bug 6716: Document aqbasket table | |
| 18:12 | * nengard: Bug 6716: Document the biblio_framework table | |
| 18:12 | * nengard: Bug 6716: Document branch_item_rules table | |
| 18:12 | * nengard: Bug 6716: Document branch_borrower_circ_rules table | |
| 18:12 | * nengard: Bug 6716: document issuingrules table | |
| 18:12 | * nengard: Bug 6716: Document patronimage table | |
| 18:12 | * nengard: Bug 6716: Document tags tables | |
| 18:12 | * nengard: Bug 6716: Document import_batches table | |
| 18:12 | * nengard: Bug 6716: document import_record_matches table | |
| 18:12 | * nengard: Bug 6716: Update documentation for the letter table | |
| 18:12 | * nengard: Bug 6716: Update reserves table | |
| 18:12 | * nengard: Bug 6716: Document saved_sql table | |
| 18:12 | * nengard: Bug 6716: Document search_history table | |
| 18:12 | * nengard: Bug 6716: Update z3950servers documentation | |
| 18:12 | * paul.poulain: Bug 6716 tiny follow-up, mysql want a space after the -- | |
| 18:12 | mbalmer | I will check that for you, is it ok if I come back to it tomorrow, oleonard? |
| 18:13 | jcamins | oleonard: you could always do a SELECT * FROM table LIMIT 1 and look at the column names it gives you. |
| 18:13 | However, I think there's a correct way to do it, too. | |
| 18:14 | oleonard | I was just speculating about a possible enhancement |
| 18:15 | jcamins | $dbh->column_info() then you can iterate through to get a list of relevant columns. |
| 18:16 | oleonard | My speculation began with imagining autocomplete for system prefs which take database column names and proceeded to "Why don't we have a centralized means of querying table structure" |
| 18:17 | jcamins | http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=558057 |
| 18:18 | 'DESCRIBE TABLE whatever' seems to be part of standard SQL. | |
| 18:18 | oleonard | but not mysql |
| 18:19 | mbalmer | anyone looked at moose yet? |
| 18:20 | oleonard | I seem to have spotty connections to git.koha-community.org today |
| 18:20 | jcamins | oleonard: it's not? |
| 18:20 | Well, the column_info still seems to be the best option. | |
| 18:20 | That's the way you're actually supposed to do it. | |
| 18:20 | mbalmer: yes. It's big. | |
| 18:20 | oleonard | mysql> describe table issues; |
| 18:20 | ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'table issues' at line 1 | |
| 18:24 | jcamins | oleonard: $dbh->column_info it is, then |
| 18:27 | oleonard | There seem to be some instances of that syntax already. I'm surprised there aren't more... seems like low-hanging fruit for any work to make Koha db-agnostic |
| 18:27 | jcamins | oleonard: it is. |
| 18:28 | Definitely a very easy, very useful way to bring us closer to supporting multiple database backends. | |
| 18:42 | oleonard | Anyone else having problems connecting with git today? |
| 18:45 | jcamins | oleonard: I don't seem to be. |
| 18:45 | oleonard | There's probably a cow napping on my internet tube. |
| 18:46 | jcamins | Hehe. |
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| 19:17 | drojf1 | how do i check if a patron is logged in? |
| 19:24 | melia | in the OPAC? look in the top right corner of the screen. if not logged in, you will see "Log in to your account." if already logged in, you will see, "Welcome [patron name]" and the words Log Out in red. |
| 19:28 | rangi | Morning |
| 19:29 | drojf1 | heh thanks melia_lunch. no i meant from within a script in koha |
| 19:29 | hey rangi | |
| 19:29 | cait | morning rangi |
| 19:29 | melia_lunch | ah well, I can't help you with that :) |
| 19:30 | rangi | get_template_and_user |
| 19:30 | wahanui | i heard get_template_and_user was getting called twice... |
| 19:30 | rangi | Checks logged in an permissions |
| 19:30 | And even | |
| 19:31 | drojf1 | i was looking at that but not really understanding it :) |
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| 19:45 | trea-phone | anyone on that understands how "patron activity" is calculated in the stats wizard? |
| 19:45 | jcamins | Incorrectly. |
| 19:45 | Don't use the stats wizard. | |
| 19:45 | trea-phone | perfect |
| 19:45 | thx | |
| 19:45 | jcamins | :) |
| 19:46 | rangi | Yeah we should remove the links to them |
| 19:46 | cait | the answer almost always is don't use the stats wizard |
| 19:46 | rangi | And point ppl to the reports |
| 19:46 | cait | or provide some much simpler forms that actually wokr |
| 19:46 | work | |
| 19:46 | rangi | Yep I vote remove links |
| 19:47 | And pre populate reports with some standard ones | |
| 19:47 | cait | hm sample reports |
| 19:47 | nice idea | |
| 19:47 | rangi | Daily circ activity etc |
| 19:47 | They are,easy to delete | |
| 19:50 | I dunno | |
| 19:50 | Thinking aloud | |
| 19:51 | cait | you still make sense :) |
| 19:56 | rangi | Coffee stop bbiab |
| 19:57 | wizzyrea | well we could add a class of saved reports that can't be deleted? |
| 19:57 | flag them for non-deletion | |
| 19:58 | (except possibly by superlibrarians) | |
| 19:58 | cait | hm but maybe deleting is ok? |
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| 19:58 | cait | I mean you can always recreate them easily |
| 19:58 | by copying and pasting it from somewhere | |
| 19:58 | wizzyrea | suuure |
| 19:59 | but do you want to give librarians who are not system admins the right to delete reports they didn't write? | |
| 19:59 | I mean, I don't really | |
| 20:01 | jcamins | Do we currently prevent librarians from editing reports they didn't create? |
| 20:02 | cait | no idea |
| 20:02 | wizzyrea | i don't think so? |
| 20:02 | cait | in theory we have a perm |
| 20:02 | write reports | |
| 20:02 | different to run reports | |
| 20:03 | but there was a but, not sure it's fixed | |
| 20:03 | bug | |
| 20:03 | where you couldn't run reports without being able to edit them | |
| 20:06 | * oleonard | gives Bug 4048 another try (http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=4048) |
| 20:06 | rangi | back |
| 20:15 | * oleonard | waves goodbye for the night |
| 20:15 | cait | wb rangi |
| 20:20 | rangi | oh i should do stats runs for 3.6.7 and 3.8.3 eh? |
| 20:20 | jcamins | Good idea! |
| 20:20 | Though the sign offs are already in the release notes. :) | |
| 20:20 | rangi | true ;) |
| 20:20 | i think danielg likes them for his newsletter | |
| 20:21 | oh and it has lines changed and stuff too | |
| 20:21 | * rangi | will run it |
| 20:21 | jcamins | I know. |
| 20:21 | I think it's a good idea. :) | |
| 20:21 | rangi | i need to read the code more |
| 20:21 | to figure out how i can get it breaking down by file type | |
| 20:24 | jcamins | That's a good idea! |
| 20:24 | cait | :) |
| 20:25 | rangi | http://soundcloud.com/snooplio[…]-la-la-snoop-lion |
| 20:25 | not for this run, but ill try for the next one | |
| 20:27 | the tested by and report credits are interesting to, if I knew how those were generated we could get QA to set them | |
| 20:30 | cait | hm? |
| 20:31 | rangi | in gitdm |
| 20:31 | its something the kernel developers do | |
| 20:34 | chris_n | stupid nullmailer |
| 20:34 | doesn't support tls | |
| 20:34 | rangi | well, its not supposed to actually mail :) |
| 20:35 | chris_n | so maybe I missed the point :) |
| 20:35 | * chris_n | is using the package to do his new production install of koha |
| 20:36 | chris_n | so nullmailer is not supposed to handle overdue notices, etc? |
| 20:36 | rangi | well it can, its just throws everything at a smarthost |
| 20:37 | chris_n | yeah, I'm trying to use gmail to do smtp |
| 20:37 | rangi | i pretty much always install postfix and get it to do the same thing, but a little smarter |
| 20:37 | chris_n | gmail-- |
| 20:37 | google-- | |
| 20:37 | I was using postfix | |
| 20:37 | I guess I'll go back to that | |
| 20:37 | so should I setup postfix as my smarthost and point nullmailer there? | |
| 20:38 | I'm trying to avoid breaking the package install | |
| 20:38 | rangi | oh you totally can do the package install without nullmailer |
| 20:38 | if you just apt-get install postfix it will remove nullmailer and put postfix on | |
| 20:38 | jcamins | chris_n: use Postfix. It's not miserable. |
| 20:38 | chris_n | cool |
| 20:38 | rangi | quite happily, leaving everything else |
| 20:39 | jcamins | No, I'd just use Postfix and ditch nullmailer. |
| 20:39 | chris_n | jcamins: tell me about it |
| 20:39 | wahanui | it is, like, not |
| 20:39 | jcamins | lol |
| 20:39 | * chris_n | got a new dual quad core xeon machine for his koha production box |
| 20:39 | jcamins | Lucky you. |
| 20:39 | rangi | nice |
| 20:40 | http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]s-for-koha-3-8-3/ | |
| 20:41 | http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]istics-for-3-6-7/ | |
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| 21:45 | melia | rangi? |
| 21:45 | wahanui | I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! |
| 21:45 | melia | lol |
| 21:47 | we are having problems with the package for 3.8.3. I'm told that the package koha on the repo *says* it's 3.8.3, but it's really 3.8.2. it's not actually been updated. | |
| 21:48 | jcamins | eythian was having all sorts of problems with it earlier. |
| 21:48 | melia | oh so not just us. ok then. |
| 21:49 | jcamins | He's the one who builds it. |
| 21:49 | I'm not sure if he ever got it working. | |
| 21:49 | melia | ok, I will wait for him to show up and see what he says :) |
| 21:49 | rangi | http://debian.koha-community.o[…]pool/main/k/koha/ |
| 21:49 | jcamins | Uh-oh. |
| 21:49 | rangi | you'll be waiting a while he is in europe :) |
| 21:49 | jcamins | melia: you missed him. He's in Europe. ;) |
| 21:50 | melia | oh no! he's in Europe?! |
| 21:50 | rangi | looks different to me |
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| 21:51 | jcamins | rangi: yeah, something went wrong with the repo. |
| 21:51 | larryb | rangi, I just upgraded a site with the package, and it's still 3.8.2. |
| 21:51 | rangi | i dont make the packages, btw, thats eythian |
| 21:51 | larryb | The package version SAYS it's 3.8.3, but it's really 3.8.2. |
| 21:51 | rangi | but lemme check |
| 21:53 | melia | thanks rangi :) sorry, I was just pinging you because eythian wasn't in here, but I didn't know he was off to Europe! |
| 21:53 | larryb | ditto |
| 21:54 | jcamins | Okay, there's nothing wrong with the repo. Turns out that you don't have to delete all old packages when you upload a new one. |
| 21:54 | * jcamins | did not know that. |
| 21:55 | larryb | But it's still the wrong version. |
| 21:55 | jcamins | larryb: I don't know anything about that. Earlier I announced the repo was messed up because there were older files still there, but it turns out that was a misunderstanding on my part. |
| 21:56 | rangi | Installed: 3.5-1~git+20110928175704.405ee684 |
| 21:56 | Candidate: 3.8.3-1 | |
| 21:56 | Version table: | |
| 21:56 | 3.8.3-1 0 | |
| 21:56 | so you are saying hte 3.8.3 package isnt 3.8.3 ? | |
| 21:56 | larryb | Yes. After I installed it, the koha version is 3.08.01.002, and the 3.8.3 version update is not in the updatedatabase, and the overdue_notices.pl fix is not there. |
| 21:57 | rangi | looking now |
| 22:00 | your best bet is to email eythian | |
| 22:00 | larryb | Okay, we'll do that. |
| 22:01 | rangi | and/or build your own |
| 22:01 | larryb | I'm not in that much of a hurry. :) |
| 22:11 | rangi | @wunder nyc |
| 22:11 | doh | |
| 22:13 | jcamins | lol |
| 22:13 | Hot. | |
| 22:13 | But not like last week. | |
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| 23:03 | libsysguy | rangi you still around? |
| 23:20 | rangi | yup |
| 23:23 | sometimes you really wish you weren't proven right | |
| 23:24 | http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]-July/033616.html | |
| 23:24 | http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]-July/033641.html | |
| 23:27 | drojf1 | heh |
| 23:37 | rangi | bug 8492 |
| 23:38 | is cool | |
| 23:47 | drojf1 | :) |
| 23:47 | i hope my coworker is going to say the same. it's just a little patch but would be enough for us to go LIVE instead of 'live' | |
| 23:47 | rangi | nice |
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