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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:02 | rangi | well here's waht i would do |
| 00:02 | in opac-detail.pl | |
| 00:02 | after if ( C4::Context->preference("HTML5MediaEnabled") ) { | |
| 00:03 | $template = populate_html5($template); | |
| 00:03 | } | |
| 00:03 | and the in a module somewhere | |
| 00:03 | sub populate_html5 { | |
| 00:03 | my $template = shift; | |
| 00:03 | do all that stuff | |
| 00:03 | return $template; | |
| 00:04 | } | |
| 00:04 | now youre template variable in opac-detail.pl has all the params for html5 set | |
| 00:04 | your even | |
| 00:04 | that make sense? | |
| 00:04 | drojf | that does not sound very complicated |
| 00:04 | yes | |
| 00:04 | rangi | nope |
| 00:05 | drojf | i will try that, thanks |
| 00:05 | rangi | cool |
| 00:05 | drojf | but now it's bedtime. 2am again :/ |
| 00:05 | good night | |
| 00:05 | rangi | sleep well |
| 00:05 | drojf | thanks :) |
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| 00:54 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #94: SUCCESS in 1 hr 1 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/94/ |
| 00:54 | robin: Bug 8235 - allow a whitelist of modules that aren't in Debian | |
| 00:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8235 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Packaging scripts get upset with non-Debian perl modules |
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| 02:45 | dcook | If a hold is placed for a Not For Loan item (i.e. the holds policy has been over-ridden) and the item is checked in, no Hold found dialog appears. Instead, it seems says "Item not checked out". |
| 02:45 | I'm not certain how common this workflow would be, but it has been pointed out by a librarian and it does seem inconsistent with regular hold behaviour. | |
| 02:45 | Am I missing something or is this a genuine bug? | |
| 02:46 | jcamins_away | That's the correct behavior. |
| 02:47 | Otherwise, it would notify for holds if someone dropped a reference copy of a popular book in the return slot. | |
| 02:47 | dcook | If there were a hold on it |
| 02:47 | jcamins_away | Right. |
| 02:47 | dcook | Which there could be, if the librarians decide to allow a hold on that item |
| 02:47 | jcamins_away | If there were not a hold on it, it wouldn't be a problem, but we wouldn't expect any sort of notification. ;) |
| 02:49 | dcook | Ordinarily |
| 02:50 | I suppose the constant putting of holds on a reference item is seen as quite exceptional | |
| 02:50 | jcamins_away | Or if there are two copies of the book, one of which is not for loan and one of which is. |
| 02:50 | (this is a very common configuration, at least here in the States) | |
| 02:50 | Yes. | |
| 02:50 | If you're putting holds specifically on reference books, that's probably a sign that you have your circulation rules configured wrong. | |
| 02:50 | dcook | I was just thinking that |
| 02:50 | jcamins_away | (where wrong = not the way you want them to work) |
| 02:51 | dcook | I bet that's exactly what's happening |
| 02:52 | jcamins_away | Explain to them (again, probably;) that itemtype != genre, it's just one of the criteria used for circ rules. |
| 02:52 | dcook | We don't have many academic clients, but for my own curiousity...how does Koha handle "reserve"/course materials |
| 02:52 | jcamins_away | And, having imparted that wisdom (?) I think I'll get some sleep. |
| 02:52 | It doesn't. | |
| 02:52 | dcook | I suppose that would be an item type.. |
| 02:52 | jcamins_away | Yup. |
| 02:52 | dcook | Hehe, thanks jcamins |
| 02:52 | Get some rest! | |
| 02:53 | jcamins_away | You just set the circ rules to match how you think reserves should work, and you're done. |
| 02:53 | Good night. (morning for you, I guess) | |
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| 02:53 | dcook | Nearly 1pm. Time for some lunch :D |
| 02:54 | 'night | |
| 03:01 | mtj | hmm, any idea about this error.... |
| 03:01 | $ perl -c Koha/SearchEngine/Zebra/Search.pm | |
| 03:01 | Can't locate Data/SearchEngine/Zebra.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/mason/git/head /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.14.2 /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.14 /usr/share/perl/5.14 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at Koha/SearchEngine/Zebra/Search.pm line 5. | |
| 03:01 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at Koha/SearchEngine/Zebra/Search.pm line 5. | |
| 03:02 | looks like Koha/SearchEngine/Zebra/Search.pm refers to a file that does not exist... | |
| 03:03 | namely -> Data/SearchEngine/Zebra.pm | |
| 03:05 | dcook | Hmm |
| 03:11 | I know very little about perl modules themselves, but perl -c Koha/SearchEngine/Zebra.pm works, despite saying "extends 'Data::SearchEngine::Zebra';" | |
| 03:13 | mtj | my hunch its a non-koha perl module, written by biblibre - that hasnt been published? |
| 03:17 | dcook | Mmm, I'm not sure |
| 03:17 | mtj | logged bug 8423 :) |
| 03:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8423 blocker, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Koha/SearchEngine/Zebra/Search.pm fails 'perl -c' test |
| 03:18 | dcook | Do you know hdl? |
| 03:18 | wahanui | well, hdl is saying, who when where, how. |
| 03:19 | dcook | Ahh, I see |
| 03:19 | http://meetings.koha-community[…]-07-20.00.log.txt | |
| 03:21 | * dcook | returns to what he was actually doing, lol |
| 03:24 | mtj | meh, the error is already reported |
| 03:24 | in bug 8233 | |
| 03:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else |
| 03:26 | dcook | I like the "without breaking anything else" bit :p |
| 03:27 | Now if only I could stop finding/fixing bugs related to old versions of IE... | |
| 03:28 | mtj | ah, theres an easy fix for that... ;) |
| 03:29 | dcook | It's only 1:30pm here. It's a bit early... |
| 03:33 | And now I can't reproduce the behaviour that was just happening a few minutes ago...:S | |
| 03:40 | Hmm...not IE specific at all, but very sporadic...:S | |
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| 03:45 | Amit_Gupta | hi koha |
| 03:45 | dcook | hi Amit :) |
| 03:47 | Amit_Gupta | heya dcook |
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| 03:51 | Amit_Gupta | heya cait |
| 03:51 | cait | hi Amit_Gupta |
| 04:20 | Amit_Gupta | seems http://git.koha-community.org/ not working |
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| 04:28 | mtj | Amit_Gupta: there is a mirror-repo here -> https://github.com/Koha-Community |
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| 05:56 | * dcook_away | glares at Acquisitions |
| 05:57 | dcook | Does anyone actually use Acquisitions to keep track of finances? The way it handles tax makes zero sense. |
| 05:57 | No pun intended.. | |
| 05:58 | cait | heh |
| 05:58 | there is a bug waiting for sign off | |
| 05:58 | I think you would make some people very happy for looking into it | |
| 05:58 | dcook | 5335? |
| 05:58 | wahanui | i think 5335 is conflicting too :( |
| 05:58 | cait | bug 5335 |
| 05:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5335 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , More granular VAT |
| 05:58 | dcook | *shudder8 |
| 05:58 | cait | exactly that yes |
| 05:58 | yeah it's big | |
| 05:58 | but it would be good to get started on it | |
| 05:59 | especially because taxes might work differently in different countries | |
| 05:59 | so we should get some opinions if it covers everything correctly | |
| 06:00 | dcook | True enough |
| 06:00 | I think I might be missing a few angles on it as well.. | |
| 06:01 | cait | I am not sure where to start with it too... |
| 06:01 | maybe a wiki page with tests? | |
| 06:01 | dcook | I've had librarians tell me that they indicate that they want no tax applies but that it is still being applied |
| 06:01 | But I don't even see how you would do that aside from the gist syspref :S | |
| 06:01 | cait | I always suspected problems in there... |
| 06:01 | rangi | dcook: the vendor |
| 06:01 | cait | but we didn't get reports from a library so far |
| 06:01 | dcook: yep - the vendor | |
| 06:01 | rangi | you have 2 radio buttons |
| 06:01 | dcook | Mmm, nice one rangi |
| 06:01 | rangi | invoice includes tax |
| 06:02 | cait | and ideally it would beon order line level too - because we have different taxes fr different type of media... |
| 06:02 | rangi | listprice includes tax |
| 06:02 | dcook | Although... |
| 06:02 | cait | I think the vat one might enable that |
| 06:02 | rangi | yep we did that for hlt im pretty sure cjh submitted it |
| 06:02 | and discount on orderline | |
| 06:03 | cait | hm, I think there was a problem with one of his patches, becaue hlt does not have to pay tax |
| 06:03 | the whole tax thing is a bit scary to me | |
| 06:03 | because I am not 100% sure how we want it to work | |
| 06:03 | and hat makes testing nearly impossible | |
| 06:05 | dcook | Exactly |
| 06:06 | cait | but that way... it just sits there |
| 06:06 | which is also not good | |
| 06:06 | wahanui | okay, cait. |
| 06:06 | cait | lol |
| 06:07 | forget which is | |
| 06:07 | we should at least start discussion to figure out how it should work | |
| 06:07 | so we can start testing | |
| 06:07 | rangi | and test plans |
| 06:07 | cait | correct |
| 06:07 | rangi | and specs of how it was designed to work |
| 06:07 | cait | francharb put something on the wiki I think |
| 06:08 | and send notes about the terms | |
| 06:08 | I think he would be happy to answer questions too | |
| 06:08 | rangi | yup |
| 06:08 | linking all that in would be good if you can find it | |
| 06:08 | cait | I think we might need a table |
| 06:08 | with math | |
| 06:08 | *shudder* | |
| 06:08 | for the different settings in the vendor | |
| 06:08 | how should the price be calculated for each | |
| 06:09 | dcook | How the gist syspref figures in as well |
| 06:09 | rangi | gist is the default |
| 06:09 | cait | ^^ |
| 06:09 | vendor overwrites it | |
| 06:09 | rangi | you can override it on per vendor basis |
| 06:10 | cait | and oderline should overwrite vendor later (I think) |
| 06:10 | rangi | eg amazon, you dont pay gst on |
| 06:10 | cait | hm we do |
| 06:10 | rangi | we dont |
| 06:10 | cait | yeah, that's exactly what I meant earlier... |
| 06:10 | rangi | thats why its on the vendor level |
| 06:10 | cait | have to be careful with that |
| 06:10 | we have different taxes for electronic media, newspapers and books | |
| 06:10 | dcook | This is the kind of thing that would be good to document |
| 06:10 | rangi | we dont pay gst on imported goods under a certain cost |
| 06:11 | the only way to do it is to set that up on a per vendor basis | |
| 06:11 | you can not have any sane system that works for all | |
| 06:11 | dcook | Question... |
| 06:11 | wahanui | i heard question was "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" |
| 06:11 | cait | so we need an insane system? ;) |
| 06:11 | rangi | no |
| 06:12 | we need to stop trying | |
| 06:12 | and realise that you need a lot of configuration options | |
| 06:12 | * dcook | O_o |
| 06:12 | cait | ok, configuration |
| 06:12 | wahanui | somebody said configuration was not so hard |
| 06:12 | rangi | before it can work for everyone |
| 06:13 | also, hlt have never failed an audit in 12 years, lets not make next year the first | |
| 06:13 | ie, DONT BREAK IT MORE | |
| 06:13 | :) | |
| 06:13 | cait | yeah, that would be bad :( |
| 06:13 | but i really think it does some wonky things currently that shoudl be fixed | |
| 06:14 | and ideally in a way that at least it kinda works the same on all pages | |
| 06:14 | because right now it's just very confusing | |
| 06:14 | rangi | one persons wonky is another persons working exactly how it should |
| 06:14 | assuming somethign is broken and fixing it, is how we got here | |
| 06:14 | cait | can we agree on consistency? :) |
| 06:14 | rangi | no |
| 06:14 | thats the point | |
| 06:14 | we can agree on it needs to work inconsistently | |
| 06:14 | cait | I meant like the list price being calculated for the same settings the same on dfferentpages |
| 06:14 | rangi | and that configuration should allow you to do that |
| 06:15 | cait | that kind of consistency |
| 06:15 | there was a spreadsheet from jransom on the wiki on a bug | |
| 06:15 | dcook | Mmm, I've been of the same mind as cait |
| 06:15 | cait | for taxes |
| 06:15 | where she reported it worked wrong | |
| 06:16 | dcook | Calculations seem to vary from page to page :S |
| 06:16 | cait | I really didn't understand it |
| 06:16 | to me it looked all wrong | |
| 06:16 | *sigh* | |
| 06:16 | I really think it needs some work currently - but not sure where to start! | |
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| 06:22 | alex_a1 | bonjour |
| 06:22 | dcook | bonjour alex_a1 |
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| 06:23 | cait | hi alex_a |
| 06:23 | rangi | hi alex_a1 |
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| 06:27 | * rangi | goes to eat bbiab |
| 06:28 | alex_a1 | hi rangi and cait |
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| 06:34 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:36 | Amit_Gupta | heya alex_a1 |
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| 06:40 | marcelr | good morning #koha |
| 06:44 | cait | hi marcelr :) |
| 06:48 | of course... when I have to get to work it starts raining | |
| 06:48 | ... | |
| 06:48 | bbl :) | |
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| 06:48 | dcook | ttyl :) |
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| 06:52 | gaetan_B | hello :) |
| 06:52 | dcook | hey gaetan_B :) |
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| 07:00 | francharb | hello #koha |
| 07:00 | rangi | back |
| 07:03 | dcook | wb rangi |
| 07:03 | rangi | thanks |
| 07:05 | dcook: wanna learn about git bisect? | |
| 07:06 | it will help you track down the exact commit that is causing the behaviour | |
| 07:06 | dcook | Sure. That would be fab |
| 07:07 | P.S. I was going to say that before you mentioned the sweet part ;) | |
| 07:07 | rangi | :) |
| 07:09 | ok, so what you do is checkout the commit where it worked | |
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| 07:09 | rangi | git checkout commitid |
| 07:09 | then git bisect start | |
| 07:10 | verify it still works | |
| 07:10 | git bisect good | |
| 07:10 | git checkout a commit when you know it doesnt work, eg | |
| 07:10 | git checkout v3.08.02 | |
| 07:10 | verify it doesnt | |
| 07:10 | git bisect bad | |
| 07:11 | then git will check one out for you, verify again, if it works, git bisect good | |
| 07:11 | if not bad | |
| 07:11 | keep doing that it, and it will get to the commit that caused the issue | |
| 07:12 | dcook | Intriguing...I'm going to give it a whirl |
| 07:12 | Thanks, rangi :) | |
| 07:12 | I wonder if it ever worked though.. | |
| 07:12 | Oh wait... | |
| 07:12 | *facepalm* | |
| 07:13 | I don't think it ever advanced the barcode after adding the item, but yes...the duplicate message... | |
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| 07:14 | rangi | hey kf |
| 07:15 | kf | hi rangi :) |
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| 07:34 | dcook | Hmmm, not quite sure what to do with the results of this git bisect |
| 07:35 | kf | what did it say? |
| 07:35 | Amit_Gupta | heya kf |
| 07:35 | dcook | The warning appears when I got back to Bug 3414, but it still wasn't appearing the step before at Bug 7249 |
| 07:35 | kf | hi Amit_Gupta |
| 07:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3414 minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, gcollum, RESOLVED FIXED, Invalid XHMTL in parcels.tmpl and general cleanup of html needed. |
| 07:35 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7249 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Report webservices | |
| 07:35 | dcook | I assume there are commits inbetween that I'm missing? |
| 07:35 | rangi | how are you doing it? |
| 07:35 | kf | sorry, confused |
| 07:36 | rangi | afret your first good and bad, you dont check things out anymore |
| 07:36 | you just say git bisect good | |
| 07:36 | or git bisect bad | |
| 07:36 | dcook | Yeah, that's how I reached that point |
| 07:36 | rangi | and git picks you a new one |
| 07:36 | dcook | 7249 was bad |
| 07:36 | Then the git picked 3414 | |
| 07:36 | rangi | and its good? |
| 07:36 | dcook | Which was good |
| 07:36 | rangi | so do git bisect good |
| 07:36 | and get another one | |
| 07:36 | dcook | Mmm |
| 07:37 | rangi | keep doing it until it stops giving you new commits |
| 07:37 | dcook | Crucial step. Great :) |
| 07:40 | Hmm, seems 7249 is the bad one | |
| 07:40 | kf | bug 7249 |
| 07:40 | wahanui | hmmm... bug 7249 is particularly cool. |
| 07:40 | rangi | whats the commit sha ? |
| 07:40 | kf | bug 7249? |
| 07:40 | wahanui | rumour has it bug 7249 is particularly cool |
| 07:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7249 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Report webservices |
| 07:40 | dcook | 24213703d5906d4bfff1a8e1c9e079bd11523ba7 |
| 07:40 | kf | hm, completely different area |
| 07:42 | rangi | yeah, not sure how that could do it |
| 07:43 | kf | what did git bisect say? |
| 07:43 | dcook | 24213703d5906d4bfff1a8e1c9e079bd11523ba7 is the first bad commit |
| 07:43 | But yeah...no idea how | |
| 07:43 | kf | hmmm |
| 07:43 | what if the problem is realted to javascript? | |
| 07:43 | are there errors on the page? | |
| 07:44 | and maybe it was still in the cache? | |
| 07:44 | dcook | I figure it's likely a js issue |
| 07:44 | Since I think the data validation is done by js | |
| 07:44 | The problem is that newer versions of koha aren't picking up barcode duplications in item records made during an order | |
| 07:46 | kf | yeah, I am a bit suspicious that we got the wrong commit |
| 07:46 | does reverting it fix the issue for you? | |
| 07:47 | dcook | Haven't tried yet |
| 07:49 | Hmm, couldn't revert it | |
| 07:50 | Or at least I have errors shooting up | |
| 07:53 | kf | hm sorry |
| 07:53 | not sure how to resolve :( | |
| 07:56 | dcook | I suppose I can always redo the bisect |
| 07:56 | I just tried now, and sure enough ...it works fine in 7249 | |
| 07:56 | I must've made a mistake the first time around...there was a lot of clicking O_O | |
| 07:56 | Blahhh...it's 6...time for food or study or...something other than bugs :P | |
| 07:57 | kf | dcook: I think you ahve to make sure the js is reloaded and not cached |
| 07:57 | each time | |
| 07:58 | so you are sure it works/doesn'twork | |
| 07:58 | dcook | Any tips? :) |
| 07:59 | kf | hm I think there it's something like shift + f5... or similar |
| 07:59 | there is a short cut I always forget to make it reload the js when refreshing the page | |
| 08:01 | dcook | Hmm |
| 08:01 | I think Shift + click refresh might do it | |
| 08:01 | And I was doing that... | |
| 08:01 | I might've missed one or two times though | |
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| 08:04 | kf | sorry |
| 08:04 | forgot a meeting | |
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| 09:30 | eythian | http://youtu.be/rqTE-ig7NhY <-- the insulting librarian |
| 09:35 | drojf | lol |
| 09:38 | paul_p | hello eythian ! |
| 09:38 | eythian | hiya |
| 09:39 | paul_p | how are things in germany ? (cold I think) |
| 09:39 | eythian | I'm still in Brighton. Cold and wet :) |
| 09:39 | @wunder brighton, uk | |
| 09:39 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 16.6°C (10:30 AM BST on July 12, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:39 | drojf | but i can confirm germany iy grey, cold, wet :) |
| 09:39 | eythian | not too bad right now |
| 09:39 | paul_p | @wunder Marseille, france |
| 09:39 | drojf | is |
| 09:39 | huginn | paul_p: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 25.0°C (11:30 AM CEST on July 12, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling). |
| 09:39 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 09:39 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 17.9°C (11:12 AM CEST on July 12, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:39 | eythian | that's a bit warmer |
| 09:40 | paul_p | very hard to decide staying in Brighton or coming to Marseille :D :D :D |
| 09:40 | eythian | well, I bet the beer here is better ;) |
| 09:41 | paul_p | eythian = 2 days ago, with my wife, we took a boat, and swimmed in the see. Last sunday, dinner on the beach, this lunch wife and children on the beach. Hard times here ;-) |
| 09:41 | eythian = here you'll have Pastis !!! | |
| 09:41 | drojf | paul_p: have you seen my post about your plack stats on koha-devel? |
| 09:41 | paul_p | drojf yep. I just had nothing to add |
| 09:42 | drojf | paul_p: do you know if you had swap enabled? |
| 09:42 | paul_p | drojf I think so, but, with 2GB on my laptop, it's usually unused |
| 09:42 | drojf | paul_p: ok then i wonder about your "all at once" numbers still |
| 09:42 | eythian | paul_p: that stuff looks a bit concerning :) |
| 09:42 | gaetan_B | eythian: o/ |
| 09:43 | eythian | hiya gaetan_B |
| 09:43 | gaetan_B | eythian: it's very likely that i won't be in Marseille this saturday evening in the end ! So paul_p will take care of you i guess ! |
| 09:44 | paul_p | eythian = in this case, the best option is that I'll pick you at the airport = i'll be in my bed sooner ! |
| 09:44 | eythian | ah, good to know. |
| 09:45 | paul_p: sounds good :) yeah, it wasn't until yesterday that I realised the flights are at a not-so-great time. | |
| 09:45 | paul_p | eythian = plus, you'll be one of the first going into my new car (got it yesterday) |
| 09:46 | eythian | ohh :) |
| 09:46 | paul_p | eythian = with no extra charge, of course |
| 09:47 | eythian | even better! |
| 09:48 | hmm, French ciders rate highly. | |
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| 10:24 | rangi | hmm no jonathan eh? |
| 10:39 | * kf_mtg | waves |
| 10:40 | kf | paul_p: take good care of eythian - I will get him after you ;) |
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| 11:12 | drojf1 | kf: second hand eythian? |
| 11:12 | eythian | naw, just going foster home to foster home :) |
| 11:13 | drojf1 | heh |
| 11:14 | kf | drojf: more like third hand eythian.... |
| 11:14 | drojf: I really hope he will be in good condition still... | |
| 11:14 | ;) | |
| 11:17 | drojf | who knows, after france… "eythian, vg-, stains of cheese and pastis on the cover" :D |
| 11:17 | kf | vg-? :) |
| 11:17 | lol | |
| 11:34 | drojf | more thunderstorm coming up. interesting summer again this year |
| 11:34 | eythian | yeah, we had that yesterday |
| 11:34 | Amit_Gupta | heya eythian, drojf |
| 11:34 | eythian | hello Amit_Gupta |
| 11:34 | drojf | hi Amit_Gupta |
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| 11:36 | drojf | eythian: we had that almost every day now, for two weeks or something |
| 11:36 | eythian | ah, fun |
| 11:37 | drojf | from inside it's nice :) |
| 11:37 | eythian | it's OK, paul_p has promised me good weather in Marseille :) |
| 11:37 | drojf | yeah, you better really stay in southern parts of germany then too |
| 11:39 | eythian | drojf: if change tracking is on you can see them |
| 11:39 | (LO can work with these, I've done it before) | |
| 11:41 | drojf | LO says it would show them, but i don't see anything so i suppose it's not used by the person that sent it |
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| 12:03 | * oleonard | sees tweetbot` is back. New and improved? |
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| 12:05 | nengard | @later tell jcamins does the new authority linker run when you import authorities via the command line and/or when you batch import marc records - basically, I'm asking if we need to run the linker manually after doing an authority or marc record import |
| 12:05 | huginn | nengard: The operation succeeded. |
| 12:06 | kf | nengard: yes |
| 12:06 | eythian | nengard: when doing it from the command line, I think that is the case. I'm not sure about the web interface, but probably. |
| 12:06 | kf | knowing jared it's probably in the documentation somewhere too |
| 12:06 | * eythian | begins a 3.4->3.8 upgrade. |
| 12:06 | nengard | yes I have to run the linker after doing imports? |
| 12:07 | kf | yes |
| 12:07 | nengard | okey dokey |
| 12:07 | so ?.. now i have an enhancement request / problem | |
| 12:07 | Amit_Gupta | heya nengard |
| 12:07 | nengard | regular users can't manually run the linker |
| 12:07 | so that means that we have to run it for them after every import | |
| 12:07 | of marc records | |
| 12:08 | hi Amit | |
| 12:08 | kf | hm |
| 12:08 | I am not sure for the staged marc import | |
| 12:08 | yu might want to wait for jared's answer about that | |
| 12:08 | nengard | well I'm hoping not for the marc import :) |
| 12:08 | will do | |
| 12:11 | eythian | http://media.jehaisleprintemps[…]baguetteonsnails/ <-- paul_p_ |
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| 12:31 | jcamins | nengard: you have to run the linker manually after importing authority records. |
| 12:31 | nengard | what about after importing marc? |
| 12:32 | jcamins | It depends. |
| 12:33 | If you import using the stage MARC tool, it will link. | |
| 12:33 | bulkmarcimport is considered harmful. | |
| 12:33 | eythian | I consider it my most used script :) |
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| 12:35 | jcamins | eythian: it does an end run around all error checkign... suitable for migrations, not for regular use. |
| 12:36 | eythian | yeah |
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| 12:46 | * eythian | prepares to delete a production database, having taken about 20 backups first... |
| 12:46 | jcamins | Yikes! |
| 12:47 | eythian | fixing the MyISAM issue I was having. |
| 12:47 | marcelr | hi jcamins |
| 12:47 | eythian | but it requires dropping everything and reloading the fixed database in. |
| 12:48 | jcamins | Good morning. |
| 12:48 | marcelr | jcamins: what about your report on opac auth search? |
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| 12:50 | jcamins | marcelr: my personal opinion has always been that authority search in the OPAC was wrong, and should match the functioning search on the Intranet. |
| 12:50 | The reason I did not change it from the start is that clearly someone disagreed, since a great deal of code went into making it inconsistent. | |
| 12:50 | eythian | ...and just realised I'd loaded the wrong schema version. Surprised that didn't explode on me. |
| 12:51 | easy to fix at least | |
| 12:51 | jcamins | eythian: it'll just upgrade |
| 12:51 | eythian | jcamins: no, I loaded a 3.4 into a 3.8 schema |
| 12:51 | jcamins | Oh. Hm. |
| 12:52 | eythian | It'll take about 10 minutes to redo with the right one, so not a big issue |
| 12:52 | marcelr | jcamins: some time ago these searches were dropped; do not know where that came from |
| 12:53 | kf1 | I tend to agree with marcel |
| 12:53 | jcamins | marcelr: you'd consider that evidence that the alternate indexes are no longer wanted? :) |
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| 12:53 | kf1 | I don't see why it should be different |
| 12:55 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 12:55 | marcelr | jcamins: no i would have liked to keep them |
| 12:55 | but i think that opac and staff could be the same | |
| 12:55 | jcamins | marcelr: I mean, you'd consider that evidence that the alternate indexes can be replaced by the "normal" indexes? |
| 12:56 | marcelr | well, why should we have them different? |
| 12:56 | jcamins | I don't think we should, but the git log had indistinct notes about needing separate indexes for the OPAC, as I recall. |
| 12:57 | marcelr | ok, i should look that up |
| 12:57 | jcamins | Let me see if I can find it. |
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| 13:00 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 13:01 | I'm not coming across it now, but I remember seeing it when I was working on bug 7284. | |
| 13:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, Authority matching algorithm improvements |
| 13:01 | marcelr | well, i try a search too |
| 13:03 | jcamins | However, I'm happy to do a follow-up that changes the indexes, so that if paul_p disagrees, he can just not push the follow-up. |
| 13:04 | marcelr | did he disagree ? is there a unimarc problem involved? |
| 13:05 | jcamins | No, but he's one of the only people still around who would remember why it was necessary to have different sets of indexes. |
| 13:06 | (rangi and hdl might too, but I don't think many of the people who wrote the original indexing are still working on Koha) | |
| 13:07 | marcelr | if we now add corresponding indexes, we add functionality (back) and harm nobody? |
| 13:07 | eythian | kf1: why do your emails end with 'J'? |
| 13:08 | kf1 | because oulook is stupid |
| 13:08 | eythian | e.g.: "...I only think we should stop it from happening in the first place J" |
| 13:08 | kf1 | it's a smiley |
| 13:08 | :) | |
| 13:08 | like this | |
| 13:08 | I forgot to tell it to send as text - sorry! | |
| 13:08 | jcamins | kf1: is that why so many people end their e-mails with J! |
| 13:08 | marcelr | jcamins: if you look at my questions, i was also wondering if some of these indexes are actually used.. |
| 13:09 | kf1 | jcamins: I guess so |
| 13:09 | annoying. | |
| 13:09 | jcamins | Any = real keyword |
| 13:10 | eythian | I think I'm viewing it in HTML |
| 13:10 | there is also a text part | |
| 13:10 | <span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span> | |
| 13:10 | jcamins | Match/match-heading = all heading forms (in MARC21, 1xx, 4xx, and 5xx) |
| 13:10 | eythian | I probably don't have wingdings |
| 13:10 | kf | ah, then it' because you don't have wingdings? |
| 13:10 | anyway, it's weird it replaces it with wingdings in the first place. | |
| 13:11 | eythian | I have webdings, but in that it's a small desert island |
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| 13:11 | jcamins | Heading-main = main entry, can't search subfields (1xx $a) |
| 13:11 | Heading = main entry, can search subfields (1xx) | |
| 13:12 | marcelr | was that the point staff looking in subfields and public not or so? |
| 13:14 | jcamins | I don't think so, because the staff client defaults to not searching subfields. |
| 13:15 | marcelr | what is the use of staff using Heading-Main ? why not Heading? |
| 13:15 | jcamins | I don't know. |
| 13:15 | It's well documented in the interface that that's how it works, though. | |
| 13:16 | marcelr | in the manual? |
| 13:16 | jcamins | I think maybe it has to do with UNIMARC? |
| 13:16 | No, actually in the interface. | |
| 13:16 | It's easy to miss, but if you go to the authority search, it says "($a only)" | |
| 13:17 | marcelr | ok see it now |
| 13:17 | :) | |
| 13:17 | eythian | I think you mean "<span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span>", marcelr |
| 13:18 | marcelr | no |
| 13:18 | ;) | |
| 13:18 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 13:19 | marcelr | jcamins: we/you could raise the point on dev list ? |
| 13:19 | jcamins | Sure. |
| 13:20 | marcelr | if we get rid of grs, it will become at least easier again |
| 13:20 | now we have too much options | |
| 13:20 | marc unimarc grs dom etc. | |
| 13:20 | eythian | > libhtml-template-pro-perl was installed automatically; it is being removed because all of the packages which depend upon it are being removed |
| 13:20 | :D | |
| 13:20 | jcamins | Agreed. |
| 13:20 | eythian: yay! | |
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| 14:53 | eythian | http://www.cakewrecks.com/stor[…]560-thumbnail.jpg |
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| 15:16 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 15:17 | eythian | bye! |
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| 15:30 | Morthland | Hey, |
| 15:30 | I need some help configuring Koha to send emails via gmail. | |
| 15:31 | eythian | http://blog.jonloh.net/11/04/2[…]smtp-relay-ubuntu <-- Morthland |
| 15:32 | Koha doesn't use an SMTP server, it just uses the server's local mail system, and that passes it along. | |
| 15:32 | Morthland | How can I trigger Koha to send an email? |
| 15:32 | I just don't know how to test. | |
| 15:33 | eythian | send a cart to yourself, or something like that. |
| 15:33 | Morthland | Using the Opac? |
| 15:33 | eythian | set an account to get notified when things are checked out, and check out books. |
| 15:33 | yeah | |
| 15:34 | Morthland | then do I have to run process_message_queue? |
| 15:35 | eythian | probably |
| 15:35 | I can't remember if carts go through that or not. | |
| 15:35 | Morthland | I think that using the method I am now with nullmailer, |
| 15:35 | I define my username in that script | |
| 15:36 | oleonard | carts don't go through the message queue |
| 15:36 | Morthland | So then, that email wont work |
| 15:36 | kf | eythian: they do not |
| 15:36 | ah, oleonard was faster :) | |
| 15:36 | eythian | ah yes, I was writing a patch to make them do that actually |
| 15:37 | kf | yep, and asked if you also did the account mail, because that's the only one we don't want to go there, or at least not without anonymizing it (passwords) |
| 15:37 | eythian | yeah |
| 15:37 | need to finish that | |
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| 15:42 | Morthland | I will try the method you linked to me |
| 15:42 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8268 follow-up: incorporate QA comments <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0fbe8d2a1a1e34942> / Bug 8268: Add database dump to export tool <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a9f3dc7b798c25c9c> / Bug 5327 : Follow up for TTParser test <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f12a40af69f461098 |
| 15:43 | maximep | hourly loans are in 3.8.2, right ? |
| 15:43 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 15:43 | maximep | is there any tutorial/guide on how they work ? |
| 15:44 | I must be missing something :S | |
| 15:45 | kf | sorry, i haven't tested them yet really :( |
| 15:46 | maximep | :( |
| 15:47 | our database is a progably a complete mess. There is a database structure site somewhere where I could compare ? | |
| 15:47 | forgot the name :S | |
| 15:48 | ah, http://schema.koha-community.org/ | |
| 15:49 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #782 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 8 days 0 hr ago) |
| 15:57 | maximep | seriously fml. It will take so many hours to switch from our hourly loan system to this one :/ |
| 15:58 | kf | :( |
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| 16:02 | wizzyrea | aw |
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| 16:03 | jcamins | maximep: you have a custom hourly loans system? |
| 16:04 | maximep | yes |
| 16:04 | since 3.2 | |
| 16:05 | still haven't figured out how the one in 3.8 works :S | |
| 16:05 | wizzyrea | you use the circulation rules |
| 16:05 | * jcamins | tries to to say "told you so." |
| 16:05 | jcamins | *not to say |
| 16:06 | maximep | ok, just set a circulation rule in hours as the unit |
| 16:07 | then how do I checkout with a due date in hours ? | |
| 16:07 | jcamins | maximep: if you create a new circulation rule, you can choose to do it in hours instead of days. |
| 16:07 | maximep: I actually haven't used hourly loans at all, but I think if your circulation rule is set, you just check the item out the usual way. | |
| 16:08 | nengard | jcamins is right |
| 16:08 | just check it out and the rule should make it due in X number of hours | |
| 16:08 | wizzyrea | yea, ez pz |
| 16:09 | maximep | hmmm so I set today as the due date |
| 16:10 | jcamins | You know what the problem with blackberries is? |
| 16:10 | The seeds refuse to be blended by the immersion blender. | |
| 16:12 | oleonard | And they're hard to type on after they've been through the blender. |
| 16:12 | jcamins | oleonard: that, too. |
| 16:13 | nengard | maximep you don't set the due date at all - just scan the barcode and submit |
| 16:13 | oleonard | Making a smoothie jcamins? |
| 16:13 | nengard | just the way you do for daily loans |
| 16:14 | jcamins | oleonard: yup. |
| 16:15 | maximep | well i was going to ask a followup question :S |
| 16:16 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:18 | wizzyrea | go ahead and ask maxime |
| 16:18 | maximep* | |
| 16:19 | jcamins | rhcl++ |
| 16:20 | maximep | aaaaaah, ok, I now understand. Took me a while :S |
| 16:20 | a bit more magic than what i'm used to | |
| 16:23 | oleonard | New Koha tagline: "More magic than you're used to!" |
| 16:24 | maximep | haha |
| 16:25 | wizzyrea | @quote add New Koha tagline: "More magic than you're used to!" |
| 16:25 | huginn | wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 16:25 | wizzyrea | bother. |
| 16:26 | @quote get 23 | |
| 16:26 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg huginn register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009) |
| 16:26 | wizzyrea | @quote add New Koha tagline: "More magic than you're used to!" |
| 16:26 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #209 added. |
| 16:26 | wizzyrea | take that! |
| 16:29 | * oleonard | wonders if other libraries have rules about what collection codes can be used with certain item types |
| 16:30 | jcamins | @quote get 123 |
| 16:30 | huginn | jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 16:30 | jcamins | Hmmm... |
| 16:30 | That would mean "yes." | |
| 16:31 | oleonard | The infinite escalation inherent in that rule implies that libraries are doing some really crazy stuff |
| 16:32 | SJeffery | oleonard: yes, yes we are *evil/crazy laugh* |
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| 16:38 | * cait | waves |
| 16:53 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #782: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/782/ |
| 16:53 | * jcamins: Bug 8203: Add ability to save individual authorities | |
| 16:53 | * jcamins: Bug 8203 follow-up: QA fixes | |
| 16:53 | * jcamins: Bug 8203 follow-up: fix MARCXML export for UNIMARC | |
| 16:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8203 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Should be possible to save individual authorities |
| 16:53 | jenkins_koha | * duncan: Added coverage to unit test for TTParser |
| 16:53 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Follow up for TTParser test | |
| 16:53 | * jcamins: Bug 8268: Add database dump to export tool | |
| 16:53 | * jcamins: Bug 8268 follow-up: incorporate QA comments | |
| 16:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 major, P3, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules |
| 16:53 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8268 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha should offer way to backup entire db | |
| 16:53 | jcamins | Oh no! If the TTParser test breaks again, I'll get e-mails! |
| 16:53 | As will Duncan and rangi. | |
| 16:54 | Speak of the devil. | |
| 16:55 | Wait, these are old failures. | |
| 16:55 | maximep | what happens if you checkout something 1 hour before the library close and the loan period is set to 4 hours ? Hmmm is there closing hours in 3.8 ? |
| 16:56 | forgot we also added this :/ | |
| 16:56 | jcamins | maximep: it's due on the middle of the night, which is an issue. |
| 16:56 | maximep | hmmm so I wonder how the fines are calculated |
| 16:57 | if it really sets the due date in 4 hours in all cases, this is a major flaw :S | |
| 16:58 | jcamins | I'm not 100% sure, but I think it does. |
| 16:58 | * paul_p | leaves, with 22 mails to deal within inbox. Usually that's 40-50, so, it's a good day. Bye & see you tomorrow #koha |
| 16:58 | cait | bye paul_p |
| 16:58 | maximep: it was in the spec initially | |
| 16:58 | but I think it wasn't implemented so far | |
| 16:59 | I think it would be a great addition - opening hours | |
| 16:59 | jcamins | Good grief. |
| 16:59 | I think every single record in this authority file is a duplicate. | |
| 16:59 | cait | if you already have the interface part, maybe you could try to contribute that part? (how to store them etc.) |
| 16:59 | hopefullly not my testing data? | |
| 16:59 | jcamins | And there are... uhhh... |
| 16:59 | Nope. | |
| 17:00 | 186k. | |
| 17:00 | Oh, drat. | |
| 17:00 | I missed my chance to talk to clrh. | |
| 17:01 | maximep | yes we do have business_hours that are configurable in calendar/holiday page. |
| 17:01 | we'll see what the client wants to do, but id really like to share that part | |
| 17:02 | jcamins | maximep: maybe if you point out to them that if they let you release it, they wouldn't be paying you to do all the work over? |
| 17:03 | maximep | he knows |
| 17:03 | cait | maximep: fingers crossed |
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| 17:04 | maximep | I already started to share our code as we rebase it for 3.8 |
| 17:04 | cait | :) |
| 17:05 | jcamins | maximep: my fingers are crossed for you as well. |
| 17:05 | And my legs (can't cross my toes as they're too short;). | |
| 17:05 | maximep | no need, i'm doing fine =) |
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| 17:07 | maximep | are RFCs just plan before doing the work or should http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/Hourly_Loans_RFC be updated with what was done and what is left to do ? |
| 17:07 | jcamins | maximep: the latter, I think. |
| 17:08 | I update RFCs as I find that my plans changed. | |
| 17:08 | cait | yeah, it owuld be good to update it to reflect what is there and what is missing |
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| 17:31 | sv | how to export biblio from koha 2.0.0 in Marc Format |
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| 19:11 | wizzyrea | you can't change the default username for new users, right? |
| 19:11 | it's always first.last | |
| 19:11 | is that right? | |
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| 19:15 | oleonard | I don't know of a configuration option if that's what you mean wizzyrea |
| 19:16 | wizzyrea | right, that's exactly what I mean - there's no syspref to say "Use xxxxxx as the default username for new patrons" |
| 19:16 | whether that's a field from borrowers or a combo thereof | |
| 19:17 | I thought it was hardcoded to first.last. | |
| 19:17 | jwagner | wizzyrea, it's hardcoded in memberentry.pl |
| 19:17 | wizzyrea | cool thx :) |
| 19:40 | bag | thanks jcamins_away |
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| 20:15 | sekjal | exit |
| 20:22 | wizzyrea | it would be awesome to integrate this with koha somehow: http://idreambooks.com/ |
| 20:23 | rangi | morning |
| 20:23 | wizzyrea | mornin |
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| 20:24 | wizzyrea | also, I really love that UI |
| 20:25 | rangi | does it have an api? |
| 20:25 | wizzyrea | sadly, it doesn't look like it >.< |
| 20:25 | we should pester them for one :P | |
| 20:25 | * wizzyrea | pesters |
| 20:25 | rangi | yes you should :) |
| 20:28 | wizzyrea | there, done pestered. |
| 20:30 | oh, but you could do something with the related links though | |
| 20:30 | link to reviews based on a search | |
| 20:30 | that could work. | |
| 20:31 | drojf | you could make dpavlin scrape the whole thing ;) |
| 20:32 | wizzyrea | heh |
| 20:32 | * wizzyrea | is not a sadist |
| 20:35 | wizzyrea | for example: http://catalog-test.nexpressli[…]blionumber=470483 |
| 20:35 | click "read reviews on this title" | |
| 20:35 | under more searches | |
| 20:37 | rangi | cool |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | not perfect, but still decent |
| 20:38 | rangi | yup |
| 20:39 | drojf | that more searches link list goes crazy when i click on "more searches" |
| 20:39 | wizzyrea | define "crazy" |
| 20:40 | drojf | when i open the link its all ok, i see the list. when i click in more searches, the list vanishes. when i click it again, it reappears but is too much left and a little to much up |
| 20:41 | like a third of it is out of that box on the left side | |
| 20:41 | wizzyrea | yep it's a side effect of trying to force it not to be in a drop down. |
| 20:41 | on initial page load | |
| 20:42 | drojf | ok |
| 20:42 | wizzyrea | I haven't figured out how to fix it yet |
| 20:42 | drojf | but it's there so there is no need to click that anyway |
| 20:44 | wizzyrea | I actually probably just need to get rid of "more searches" |
| 20:44 | and just show the list | |
| 20:44 | drojf | yes |
| 20:52 | rangi | wow |
| 20:52 | way to not make me want to work on your project | |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | O.o |
| 20:52 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=6891#c13 |
| 20:52 | huginn | 04Bug 6891: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , LDIF interoperability - a proposal |
| 20:53 | rangi | If your goal is truly ILS openness and vendor independence, let's work together and make LDIF interoperability a reality! |
| 20:53 | dude you work for a company that makes a proprietary ILS | |
| 20:53 | if you were truly about openness, release the source code for that | |
| 20:54 | drojf | i stopped at "We're not open-source, but we do strongly believe in open interchange: library data belongs to libraries, and shouldn't be used as a hostage to keep libraries chained to their automation systems." |
| 20:55 | which is like the third sentence | |
| 20:55 | rangi | yeah |
| 20:55 | open data is a fraud | |
| 20:55 | as are open api | |
| 20:56 | ask anyone who develops for twitter | |
| 20:56 | if you dont control the code, you control NOTHING | |
| 20:56 | drojf | "There are even Koha consortia which are charging their librarians multi-thousand dollar extraction fees just to get their own data out!" |
| 20:56 | hm | |
| 20:56 | i can imagine one | |
| 20:59 | wizzyrea | does anyone know - does marking an item lost stop the overdue messages? |
| 21:00 | I admit I've never heard this question befoer | |
| 21:00 | before* | |
| 21:01 | drojf | i don't know. but it would make sense if it did. |
| 21:02 | rangi | it does |
| 21:02 | because it returns it off the persons card | |
| 21:02 | and they get charged for it | |
| 21:02 | wizzyrea | ohhh right |
| 21:03 | * rangi | does a quick reply to that bug report |
| 21:03 | wizzyrea | what about missing? |
| 21:03 | rangi | no idea |
| 21:03 | wizzyrea | missing leaves it on the account |
| 21:03 | rangi | yeah |
| 21:03 | then you will still get overdues | |
| 21:04 | overdues looks purely at what is out | |
| 21:04 | it doesnt look at the item any closer than that | |
| 21:04 | so doesnt check if its lost, or missing, or whatever | |
| 21:04 | it just checks this is issued to someone, and it should have been returned by now | |
| 21:04 | yay bug 8268 | |
| 21:05 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8268 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha should offer way to backup entire db |
| 21:05 | wizzyrea | gotya |
| 21:05 | YAY | |
| 21:05 | trea | YAY |
| 21:05 | rangi | i should have put that in a link to the biblionix dude |
| 21:06 | drojf | rangi: but it's not truly open if it is not in the format that makes import in his closed system easiest for him ;) |
| 21:06 | rangi | :-) |
| 21:07 | my comment wasnt too harsh eh? | |
| 21:07 | drojf | not for me it wasn't |
| 21:07 | rangi | i mean robin did spend a bunch of time helping him with his schema earlier |
| 21:08 | which means that coming in saying "If your goal is truly opennes .." makes you a bit of a prick | |
| 21:09 | imho | |
| 21:11 | drojf | and that coming from the guy with the closed system. hard to take that seriously |
| 21:12 | wizzyrea | "please make it easier for me to convert your db" |
| 21:12 | drojf | yes |
| 21:12 | wizzyrea | erm… well… yea, that's fine yo. |
| 21:14 | rangi | :) |
| 21:14 | send a patch yo | |
| 21:14 | wizzyrea | hehehehe |
| 21:14 | rangi | thats what i shoulda said |
| 21:15 | comebacks they always get better after the fact :) | |
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| 21:53 | trea left #koha | |
| 22:38 | mtj | nah, he understands just fine |
| 22:47 | jcamins | I'm helping!!!!! |
| 22:47 | rangi | hehe |
| 22:49 | mtj | ... the bug needs a "wow, great idea!. patches welcome, bye ..." reply |
| 22:51 | libsysguy | developers will work for food not karma |
| 22:55 | mustard | OK, I've been sitting here stewing. At the risk of suffering great persecution I'll take the flip side of the coin for argument... |
| 22:55 | I can always come up with a new nick I suppose... | |
| 22:56 | jcamins | lol |
| 22:56 | mustard: but you always sign in from the same IP. :P | |
| 22:56 | mustard | 1. There are more migrations from other ILSs to Koha than the reverse. Having a standard data export format would eventually benefit Koha at the expense of everybody else |
| 22:57 | jcamins: you can route irc over tor | |
| 22:57 | jcamins | mustard: ooh, clever. |
| 22:57 | drojf | then you are the one tor user :P |
| 22:57 | mustard | I could be ketchup and you'd never know |
| 22:58 | 2. we almost got the great reaming tool applied to us when we migrated to Koha from S. | |
| 22:58 | mtj | mustard: i love your idea!, patches welcome... |
| 22:58 | mustard | Oh, to be clear, the reaming tool from S., not our migrating vendor |
| 22:59 | patches to tor or the reaming tool? anyway | |
| 22:59 | jcamins | mustard: it *is* a great idea. The problem is he's sold it... badly. |
| 23:00 | mustard | Ok, but in killing the salesman it appears to kill the idea, which might have merit |
| 23:00 | jcamins | I do genuinely hope that he'll provide a patch. |
| 23:00 | drojf | …and staff access to apollo |
| 23:00 | jcamins | Well, yeah. |
| 23:01 | rangi | well people spent a bunch of time helping with the spec and fixing the xml |
| 23:01 | if you read the history of the bug | |
| 23:02 | mtj | he could also make a great start by publishing their existing ldif->apollo converter code |
| 23:02 | mustard | and I didn't, admittedly |
| 23:02 | rangi | theres your problem right there |
| 23:02 | mustard | accept |
| 23:02 | rangi | ohh version 5 |
| 23:03 | mustard | but it would be nice to keep the objective and possible benefits in mind, you know, what's that American saying... |
| 23:03 | jcamins | Version 5? |
| 23:03 | mustard | cutting off your ear to spite your nose or something |
| 23:04 | rangi | who killed the salesman? |
| 23:04 | jcamins | rangi: I thought he drove a car into a wall or something? |
| 23:04 | mustard | well, we are talking metaphorically I hope.... |
| 23:04 | rangi | jcamins: a non release release announcement from non releases |
| 23:04 | who even metaphorically did that? | |
| 23:04 | i suggest actually reading the bug might help | |
| 23:05 | i know devils advocate is fun and all | |
| 23:05 | but it doesnt have to be an occupation | |
| 23:05 | jcamins | rangi: a what? Huh? |
| 23:05 | I'm so confused. | |
| 23:05 | Ohhhh. | |
| 23:05 | Version 5. | |
| 23:07 | rangi | specifically |
| 23:07 | mtj | mustard: i highly recommend reading the bug to assuage your stewage |
| 23:07 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=6891#c20 |
| 23:07 | huginn | 04Bug 6891: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , LDIF interoperability - a proposal |
| 23:08 | mustard | ah, it's over... |
| 23:08 | rangi | he's not running anywhere, the discussion has been channelled into productive activity |
| 23:08 | mustard | I did read part of the bug, but didn't go into the history |
| 23:08 | rangi | and we have come to the crux of the issue |
| 23:09 | jcamins | Ahhh. |
| 23:09 | * jcamins | should have known. |
| 23:11 | mustard | It's 1800 and I need a big hamburger. Everyone have a pleasant day... |
| 23:11 | mustard left #koha | |
| 23:12 | drojf | (22:55:34) drojf: "There are even Koha consortia which are charging their librarians multi-thousand dollar extraction fees just to get their own data out!" |
| 23:12 | (22:55:35) drojf: hm | |
| 23:12 | (22:55:37) drojf: i can imagine one | |
| 23:12 | aaaand… i was right | |
| 23:13 | rangi | yup |
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| 23:16 | drojf | rangi: yes i was wondering how he would make ll cherrypick exactly THIS |
| 23:18 | jcamins | pull request? |
| 23:18 | wahanui | i guess pull request is better, for a big patch like that |
| 23:29 | rangi | could do that, fork and pull request on github |
| 23:34 | slackers! | |
| 23:39 | drojf | "Play Zork on the Raspberry Pi" \o/ |
| 23:40 | but better not now. good night | |
| 23:51 | mtj | oh god, who's stupid idea was that tweetbot... |
| 23:53 | bag | heh |
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