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| 03:27 | Amit_Gupta | heya bag |
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| 04:57 | bag | heya Amit_Gupta |
| 04:57 | wahanui | Amit_Gupta is from Nucsoft Osslabs |
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| 06:47 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:56 | * paul_p | and all the BibLibre team now head to the airport... |
| 06:56 | paul_p | bye bye Edinburgh. |
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| 07:02 | rangi | safe travels |
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| 07:03 | cait | safe travels! |
| 07:03 | rangi | missing you guys already, will have to try to get to the marseille hackfest |
| 07:03 | cait | hope to see you all again soon |
| 07:04 | * liw | missed everyone :( |
| 07:06 | cait | liw: but hope you are feeling better? |
| 07:07 | liw | I am feeling better, maybe tomorrow I get to go to work |
| 07:07 | cait | oh |
| 07:32 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #50 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 07:35 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 07:35 | * Oak | waves |
| 07:37 | cait | hi Oak :) |
| 07:38 | Oak | hello cait :) |
| 07:38 | how long is your stay left in UK? | |
| 07:40 | cait | flying back home tomorrow |
| 07:42 | Oak | hmm. |
| 07:42 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY-zmJ1VCQI | |
| 07:43 | "Did you ever get the feeling that you wanted to go, But still had the feeling that you wanted to stay." | |
| 07:44 | cait | hm |
| 07:44 | I don't want to go | |
| 07:44 | Oak | hmm. |
| 08:06 | slef | blurgh. Car fixed up for free. Got me home. Got lost on the way (road closed) but about as long as I expected (7.5 hours including breaks). |
| 08:07 | rangi | glad you made it home safe |
| 08:09 | cait | slef: what rangi said :) |
| 08:10 | glad it worked out with the car | |
| 08:10 | and thx for a great time in edinburgh :) | |
| 08:11 | slef | well... it was fixed-up, not fixed. Still need to find its bug. |
| 08:11 | and thanks for the same :) | |
| 08:11 | is anyone else going to be at bibliohack? I've more book bags... | |
| 08:13 | mtj | hows the whisky/beer sampling going at kohacon? |
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| 08:14 | mbalmer | moarning |
| 08:23 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #50: SUCCESS in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/50/ |
| 08:23 | * ruth: Bug 8009: Item descriptive data not populated on pay.pl | |
| 08:23 | * jonathan.druart: Bug 8009: Followup Item descriptive data not populated on pay.pl | |
| 08:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8009 minor, P5 - low, ---, ruth, Pushed to Stable , Item descriptive data not populated on pay.pl |
| 08:23 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #51 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 09:12 | drojf | hi from the airlink bus |
| 09:12 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #51: SUCCESS in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/51/ |
| 09:12 | * adrien.saurat: Bug 8217:[SIGNED-OFF] Focus on search box in staff detail page | |
| 09:12 | drojf | byebye edinburgh |
| 09:12 | jenkins_koha | * Chris Cormack: Updating template for release notes |
| 09:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8217 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Needs Signoff , Focus on search box in Detail page (staff search) |
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| 09:33 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 09:37 | medmondson | droif: byeee |
| 09:59 | magnuse | kia ora #koha! |
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| 10:21 | mbalmer | back @office |
| 10:30 | mtompset | Greetings, mblamer. |
| 10:30 | Oops.. mbalmer. | |
| 10:30 | mbalmer | heh, common typo ;) |
| 10:31 | mtompset | Thankfully, otherwise I'd feel really stupid. |
| 10:36 | Where's the office? | |
| 10:36 | @wunder MNL | |
| 10:36 | huginn | mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 30.0°C (6:00 PM PHT on June 12, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). |
| 10:36 | * mtompset | is about to attempt an upgrade for the very first time. |
| 10:50 | mbalmer | mtompset, in Basel, Switzerland |
| 11:00 | mtompset | Ah, Interesting. |
| 11:01 | Just waiting for my old data to import before updating. :) | |
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| 11:02 | mbalmer | from a Koha point of view, Switzerland is still a developing country. |
| 11:06 | * mtompset | smirks. |
| 11:06 | mtompset | Is that a pun on developing? |
| 11:07 | mbalmer | no, it means that in Switzerland, there aint not much Koha installations yet. |
| 11:08 | * mtompset | is enlightened. :) |
| 11:08 | mtompset | That was the other possibility. |
| 11:09 | Here in the Philippines, the National Library has moved to Koha. | |
| 11:09 | mbalmer | nice! |
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| 11:09 | mtompset | It's more of a user role, rather than a participatory one. |
| 11:10 | But it means that our organization's move to use Koha is a good move at least in the local context. :) | |
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| 11:30 | magnuse | mtompset: moving to koha is good in any context ;-) |
| 11:33 | slef | mtompset: Philippine House of Representatives uses Koha too I think. |
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| 11:36 | jcamins | o/ |
| 11:36 | * mtompset | shrugs. Just trying to get imported data to search before attempting an upgrade for the first time. |
| 11:37 | mtompset | Greetings, jcamins. |
| 11:37 | jcamins | Good time-of-day. |
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| 11:37 | * mtompset | grins, "Good reply." |
| 11:44 | groans, "Oh the pains of a 1.5GHZ netbook running a koha virtual machine. I guess the indexing will take a while." | |
| 11:44 | mbalmer | indexing what? |
| 11:44 | wahanui | rumour has it indexing is done by Zebra |
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| 11:45 | mtompset | rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -r -v |
| 11:45 | jcamins | mtompset: yep. |
| 11:45 | mtompset | supposedly around 39K books. |
| 11:45 | mbalmer | ah, I see. well, I can only smile and point to my blog post about MARC in SQL ;) |
| 11:46 | mtompset | I noticed that... but PostGreSQL was mentioned. |
| 11:46 | jcamins | Unfortunately, having a MARC datatype in postgres won't help with the indexing at all. |
| 11:46 | mbalmer | indexes 246'814 books just in seconds. |
| 11:46 | mtompset | What does that mean for MySQL? |
| 11:47 | mbalmer | it will never be in MySQL. |
| 11:47 | mtompset | Well, that's a little PostGreSQL-ist. :P |
| 11:48 | mbalmer | hehe ;) but it's a nice experiment, with still open questions. |
| 11:48 | jcamins | mbalmer: you patched Zebra to directly access the database? |
| 11:48 | mtompset | Yes, it is. |
| 11:48 | jcamins | That seems like a maintenance nightmare. |
| 11:48 | mbalmer | e.g. I want to find out if PostgreSQL's full text search can be used for title search and such. |
| 11:48 | mtompset | Actually, if I read it correctly, he patched the DB structure to allow for MARC fields/subfields. |
| 11:48 | jcamins | mtompset: yeah, that I know. |
| 11:49 | mbalmer | jcamins, no, I did not do that neither do I plan that. |
| 11:49 | jcamins | mtompset: however, indexing is dependent on Zebra. |
| 11:49 | mbalmer: very wise. | |
| 11:50 | mbalmer | atm, this is pure research. If at all, it should replace Zebra. But I don't know if it even could (full text search etc..) |
| 11:50 | mtompset | If this is pure research, try to find a generic solution that works in other back-ends too. :) |
| 11:51 | * jcamins | will stick with Zebra or solr for indexing. |
| 11:52 | mbalmer | mtompset, no, it's pg only, sorry. |
| 11:52 | jcamins | mbalmer doesn't consider any option other than postgres to be worthwhile. |
| 11:53 | mbalmer | well, I am curious if indexing purely in an SQL DB is doable at all (there are some doubts) |
| 11:53 | jcamins, please don't put words in my mouth, speak for yourself, I did not say what you just said. | |
| 11:54 | jcamins | mbalmer: apologies. I must have misunderstood. |
| 11:56 | mtompset | Well, it is obvious that people tend to prefer one backend over another, and some back ends lend themselves better syntactically for experiments, like mbalmer's experiment. |
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| 11:57 | mtompset | Frankly, you wouldn't have me experimenting with PostGreSQL by default. :) |
| 11:57 | Though, depending on the size of your data, and type of data, it may be a better choice than MySQL. :) | |
| 11:58 | mbalmer | as for Koha, the current goal is clear: run on mysql and eventually on postgres, too. so support two DBs. what I do with postgres here, is an experiment. |
| 11:58 | jcamins | mbalmer: three DBs. Don't forget about sqlite for testing purposes! ;) |
| 11:58 | mbalmer | mtompset, try storing february, 31-st in a postgres database. it will refuse that, because it is an illegal date. |
| 11:59 | mtompset | Let me guess, MySQL massages it to a valid date? |
| 11:59 | mbalmer | sqllite can not be a choice, since it allows only one process to access data, and we have several. |
| 11:59 | (at least when doing sip) | |
| 12:00 | jcamins | mbalmer: for most testing, one would only need a single process at once. |
| 12:00 | mbalmer | mtompset, mySQL just accepts it. and I can tell you numerous other glitches. |
| 12:01 | jcamins | mbalmer: and perhaps there is a similar file-based system that allows multiple databases. |
| 12:01 | mbalmer | jcamins, true, but then setting up a DB is not really that hard, definitely easier than support a third DB in the code. |
| 12:01 | mtompset | What about February 29? Does PostGreSQL actually do the leap year checks to validate? |
| 12:01 | jcamins | DBIx FTW! :D |
| 12:01 | mbalmer | mtompset, of course. |
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| 12:01 | mbalmer | jcamins, the ORM route is a dead end. |
| 12:01 | samuel | hi everybody |
| 12:02 | mbalmer | unless DBIx can be done in a way where it consider specialities of the udnerlying DB. |
| 12:02 | jcamins | Good... afternoon (?) samuel. |
| 12:02 | samuel | jcarmin: yes, it's 2 PM in Paris |
| 12:03 | mtompset | Greetings, Samuel. |
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| 12:13 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:18 | nengard | hi oleonard |
| 12:20 | mtompset | hello, nengard and oleonard. |
| 12:21 | mtj | mbalmer: whatever DBIx can't do, just dont use DBIx - for that specific task |
| 12:21 | ... thats the solution to your DBIx problem | |
| 12:23 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.8.1, 3.6.5 and 3.4.8 Now Available | Koha Community Website - http://www.koha-community.org/ | http://paste.koha-community.org | |
| 12:29 | mtj | the important thing to understand with DBIx (and other ORMs?) is... you are not forced to use them for *everything* |
| 12:30 | so in a situation where DBIx does not consider specialities of the udnerlying DB... just dont use it for that task :) | |
| 12:30 | mtompset | But what is the point of a mixed solution? Why not implement solutions for each DB backend? |
| 12:31 | jcamins | mtompset: maintenance. |
| 12:31 | mtj | ...and use DBIx in the places where it makes easy and clean sense |
| 12:31 | yes, code maintenance! | |
| 12:33 | mtompset | Okay, there's merit to the maintenance argument, but will changes to the DB backends be so drastic as to cause more maintenance for individual solutions as compared to a mixed solution? |
| 12:33 | magnuse | talking of dead ends, MARC is the biggest of them all... |
| 12:33 | jcamins | mtompset: yes. DBIx will be suitable the vast majority of the time. |
| 12:34 | * mtompset | chuckles, "You have a point magnuse." |
| 12:35 | mtompset | Out of curiousity, what MARC are you folks using, UniMarc, or Marc 21? |
| 12:35 | jcamins | MARC21. |
| 12:36 | magnuse | NORMARC |
| 12:36 | oleonard | OLEONARDMARC |
| 12:36 | jcamins | UNIMARC is mostly limited to France, I think. |
| 12:36 | magnuse | the horror! |
| 12:36 | mtompset | You have your own MARC standard, oleonard? |
| 12:37 | oleonard | I would, but the MAN works tirelessly to keep it down |
| 12:37 | magnuse | see, us 5 million norwegians are so special, we need our own MARC version, because we have special needs and we understand things that no one else understands |
| 12:37 | * oleonard | is just kidding |
| 12:37 | jcamins | magnuse: I think you're very special. ;) |
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| 12:37 | jcamins | How's your little one? |
| 12:38 | magnuse | jcamins: eating and sleeping and something i won't mention in polite company - all well! |
| 12:38 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 12:38 | :) | |
| 12:38 | samuel | yes, unimarc is a french thing. Our ILS use his own unimarc |
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| 12:41 | * magnuse | wishes he had more time to work on semantikoha... |
| 12:41 | * jcamins | too! |
| 12:42 | magnuse | i'm thinking of using something like kickstarter to try and raise money for it... |
| 12:42 | mtompset | Okay, next dumb question... why don't a bunch of international librarians sit down and reach a consensus as to what MARC should be? |
| 12:42 | * oleonard | wishes he had more time to work on coding guidelines |
| 12:43 | jcamins | mtompset: they did... that's why we have MARC21 and UNIMARC. |
| 12:43 | oleonard | mtompset: Yeah, the Americans should sit down and convince everyone they're doing it wrong. We're good at that. |
| 12:43 | magnuse | mtompset: MARC should be dead - we should spend our energy on it's successor |
| 12:43 | mtompset | hence my "should be", magnuse. |
| 12:44 | magnuse | :-) |
| 12:44 | jcamins | magnuse: I think a kickstarter project is a good idea. |
| 12:45 | mtompset | But MARC21 and UNIMARC are two different standards. The dream of every programmer is a single, simple standard. |
| 12:45 | magnuse | jcamins: yay! though kickstarter only works for recipients in the us, so i'm looking for alternatives |
| 12:46 | jcamins | Andrew S. Tanenbaum said something about that. |
| 12:46 | mtompset | And magnuse pointed out NORMARC. |
| 12:46 | Ah yes, Tanenbaum... I remember that OS book. ;) | |
| 12:46 | oleonard | It would be nice to have just one MARC standard that everyone hated and hoped would die instead of three. |
| 12:47 | * mtompset | laughs, "Exactly. Focus the hate." ;) |
| 12:47 | jcamins | oleonard: four. |
| 12:47 | Don't forget RUSMARC. | |
| 12:47 | mtompset | Nothing about RUSMARC on the wiki. |
| 12:48 | jcamins | That's because Koha doesn't have any support for it. |
| 12:48 | magnuse | BISMARC, DANMARC... the list goes on... |
| 12:48 | mtompset | http://www.rba.ru/rusmarc/rusmarc_e.html |
| 12:48 | * mtompset | cringes. |
| 12:48 | magnuse | some countries have taken to their senses and adopted AMRC21, though |
| 12:49 | mtompset | Do standards have to be so political? |
| 12:50 | jcamins | mtompset: my sources say yes. |
| 12:50 | :( | |
| 12:50 | oleonard | There's nothing political about us being right and everyone else being wrong is there? |
| 12:50 | mtompset | Sadly, it is so. |
| 12:51 | oleonard, I sense a tongue-in-cheek comment in there. :P | |
| 12:52 | Speak softly, carry a big stick? | |
| 12:55 | Almost... indexed.... | |
| 12:56 | What sort of speeds do you normally experience with your zebra indexing? | |
| 12:56 | How long does a full reindex take? minutes with # records? | |
| 12:57 | jcamins | mtompset: that's a good question! |
| 12:57 | I actually don't know. | |
| 12:57 | magnuse | mtompset: depends a lot on your hardware, i think? |
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| 12:57 | mtompset | true,... okay, time, # records, size of ram, machine speed. |
| 12:58 | * magnuse | doesn't have any numbers |
| 12:58 | magnuse | kia ora libsysguy! |
| 12:58 | libsysguy | hi magnuse |
| 12:59 | whats happening | |
| 12:59 | magnuse | we, kohacon just happenede for some lucky people |
| 13:00 | for me personally, a baby happened quite recently :-) | |
| 13:00 | libsysguy | wow congratulations |
| 13:00 | magnuse | thanks! |
| 13:00 | libsysguy | babies seem to be happening all over koha |
| 13:00 | magnuse | ter |
| 13:00 | libsysguy | I think bag is next |
| 13:00 | magnuse | ooh! |
| 13:00 | libsysguy | 8 days I think |
| 13:00 | magnuse | oh, nice |
| 13:01 | future bidders for kohacon might have to include kindergarten facilities in their proposals :-) | |
| 13:02 | libsysguy | heh |
| 13:02 | * libsysguy | wishes he could have gone to kohacon |
| 13:02 | mtompset | Just did a rebuild_zebra -b -a -r -v ... 39398 biblio 260 authority, 204MB, 2.4GHZ, .... it took (retiming it now) |
| 13:03 | oleonard | magnuse: That would have made my presence more likely! |
| 13:03 | Me in conference, the kids in daycare, my wife being a tourist. Everyone happy. | |
| 13:03 | libsysguy | mtompset you should probably go make a sandwich if you are timing it |
| 13:03 | mtompset | it's about 2/3 done. |
| 13:04 | libsysguy | still enough time for a few sandwiches then :p |
| 13:04 | magnuse | libsysguy: when i clone your koha-catalyst repo and run script/koha_server.pl and visit http://localhost:3000/ i get a "Welcome to the world of Catalyst" page - is that what is supposed to happen? |
| 13:04 | * mtompset | grins. |
| 13:04 | magnuse | oleonard: sounds good, i think?!? |
| 13:05 | libsysguy | magnuse I haven't set a default home page yet |
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| 13:05 | libsysguy | you should go to http://localhost:3000/tools/overduerules |
| 13:06 | magnuse | libsysguy: ah, very cool! thanks |
| 13:06 | libsysguy | I haven't written any of the mutators yet so you can't actually write |
| 13:06 | lame, I know, but I want to make sure I have a solid database schema for that table before I implement anything | |
| 13:07 | but im pumped you are checking it out | |
| 13:07 | magnuse | i know nothing about catalyst (except for quickly reading the first third of "The Definitive Guide to Catalyst") but it does look interesting |
| 13:09 | libsysguy | it is really interesting, I am just hoping it will help reign in the codebase |
| 13:10 | Can we just call it Koha V5.0 for now :p | |
| 13:10 | mtompset | Just did a rebuild_zebra -b -a -r -v ... 39398 biblio 260 authority, 204MB, 2.4GHZ, .... it took ~7:40 |
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| 13:11 | mtompset | Probably would have been faster if we had more ram... there were 45K minor page faults. |
| 13:16 | Barrc | Hi guys.....does anyone have much experience with multiple instances of Koha on the same box? I see there is a doc on the Wiki but it isn't closed to how I would do it so am wondering if anyone has any thoughts? |
| 13:17 | magnuse | Barrc: the easiest way to do it is to run the packages on debian |
| 13:17 | jcamins | Barrc: use packages. |
| 13:17 | It's easy. | |
| 13:17 | magnuse | that gives you some nice scripts for creating new instances etc |
| 13:17 | Barrc: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze | |
| 13:17 | jcamins | ^^ what he said. |
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| 13:19 | Barrc | Super, thanks! |
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| 13:32 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 13:35 | vkm | is there any way to restrict user catogory wise for online purchase sugession |
| 13:35 | jcamins | Not to my knowledge, no. |
| 13:35 | nengard | nope |
| 13:35 | * jcamins | considers using a chroot for testing the installation. |
| 13:36 | oleonard | Hi wizzyrea |
| 13:37 | samuel | is there any way to get ldap entry with a search base on user id ? |
| 13:38 | libsysguy | samuel: do you mean match the userid in koha to the CN in ldap? |
| 13:40 | mtompset | "<owen> I'm a crazed branch-creating maniac" is this you, oleonard? |
| 13:40 | samuel | libsysguy: the idea is ->connect to ldap >search base on user id ->retrieve cn-> compare password->get the ldap entry |
| 13:40 | jcamins | mtompset: yes that is. |
| 13:40 | oleonard | mtompset: Yes |
| 13:40 | samuel | i've seen there http://blog.mbek.net/2009/01/p[…]ubleshooting.html |
| 13:40 | libsysguy | samuel yeah I do that now |
| 13:41 | but koha doesn't support it | |
| 13:41 | and its a pain | |
| 13:41 | but i can share the code I wrote with you | |
| 13:41 | * jcamins | tries to talk himself out of using chroot for testing Koha installation. |
| 13:41 | libsysguy | are you running git or packages? |
| 13:41 | mtompset | I thought koha supported LDAP authentication. |
| 13:42 | libsysguy | mtompset it does |
| 13:42 | samuel | libsysguy: yes, we discuss in PM |
| 13:42 | jcamins | mtompset: apparently there are an infinite number of ways LDAP can be configured. |
| 13:42 | libsysguy | mtompset just not in the way samuel is talking about |
| 13:42 | jcamins | mtompset: I have been amazed at how many different configurations there are. |
| 13:42 | mtompset | Is this another political standard problem? |
| 13:43 | jcamins | mtompset: I think some of the LDAP options are MS vs. not MS. |
| 13:45 | mtompset | Is this going to be a similar problem with SAML 2.0 work that may or may not be under way? |
| 13:47 | * jcamins | finds his battle to talk himself out of setting up a chroot to be going badly. |
| 13:48 | mbalmer | back. |
| 13:48 | mtompset | Why not just a VM, jcamins? |
| 13:48 | mbalmer | speaking of MARC, I favour BALMERMARC ;) |
| 13:48 | mtompset | It's simpler than a chroot setup. |
| 13:48 | (I would think) | |
| 13:49 | mbalmer | and now I stop working and commute home… see you on the other side... |
| 13:49 | jcamins | mtompset: a VM inside a VM is pushing it. |
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| 13:50 | wajasu | jacamins: i'll pastebin my shell script that builds a VM if you want to give it a try. |
| 13:50 | mtompset | oh, nested VM's ugly. |
| 13:50 | jcamins | mtompset: I'm not sure I know how to set up a VM without any user intervation. |
| 13:50 | wajasu: I'd *love* to see it. | |
| 13:50 | mtompset | Dumb question... why not a separate VM on the same host? |
| 13:51 | It only took me 1.5 hours to get an Ubuntu VM set up under Windows 7. | |
| 13:51 | wajasu | no user intervention. but you have to have your bridge to ineternet setup already, and libvirt installed/working on your host os |
| 13:52 | samuel | mtompset: why do you want a separate vm? |
| 13:52 | mtompset | because nested VMs is ugly. |
| 13:52 | jcamins | mtompset: because part of the idea of testing is that I want to reset the VM prior to running the installation, every time, and I'm using VirtualBox for my VMs, which doesn't have a nice programmatic interface the way vmware does. |
| 13:53 | mtompset | Oh... you don't like manually recloning? |
| 13:53 | jcamins | mtompset: eventually my release-tool script will be run daily. |
| 13:53 | With cron. | |
| 13:53 | 'Cause I can. | |
| 13:54 | mtompset | Ah... hence the need for no user intervention. |
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| 13:56 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 13:56 | My long-term goal is to have continuous integration in place for my clients. | |
| 13:56 | wajasu | letme run it to test. do you have libvirt installed? |
| 13:57 | jcamins | Not yet, but I will shortly. :) |
| 13:57 | mtompset | continuous integration from where? |
| 13:57 | jcamins | mtompset: My own release branch. |
| 13:58 | wajasu | that gives me time to pastebin the scripts/files. |
| 13:58 | mtompset | So a development install, but git from your branch? |
| 13:58 | jcamins | mtompset: no, I use packages. |
| 13:58 | release-tool.pl builds the packages. | |
| 13:59 | * magnuse | cheers loudly for bug 8233 |
| 13:59 | jcamins | https://github.com/jcamins/release-tools |
| 13:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else |
| 13:59 | * jcamins | joins magnuse in the cheering. |
| 13:59 | jcamins | I hate Windows. |
| 13:59 | windows-- | |
| 14:00 | mtompset | Why do you hate windows? |
| 14:00 | jcamins | mtompset: a minute and a half after booting it up, it informed me that I had to reboot. |
| 14:01 | wizzyrea | ^^ most. annoying. thing. ever. |
| 14:01 | libsysguy | I hate windows for the same reason I hate comic sans |
| 14:01 | it doesn't work with anything | |
| 14:01 | wajasu | jcamins: are you on a cpu such that you can use kvm (for performance)? |
| 14:02 | mtompset | oh shoot. |
| 14:02 | It's the first tuesday of the month. | |
| 14:02 | jcamins | wajasu: I am not, though I may need to get a desktop, in which case I'll be able to use it on that. |
| 14:02 | mtompset: no it's not. It's the second. | |
| 14:02 | mtompset | Is it the first or second that MS does their monthly pushes? |
| 14:03 | jeff | the second tuesday. today is patch tuesday. |
| 14:03 | wajasu | jcamins: you will need a debian netinstall iso, so i hope your bridge give you internet access, debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 14:03 | jcamins | Ugh. That means it's going to demand that I restart my computer *again* in a few minutes. |
| 14:04 | * mtompset | tries to comfort jcamins. |
| 14:05 | * libsysguy | runs osx then parallels for windows |
| 14:05 | libsysguy | makes restarts less painful |
| 14:05 | mtompset | Actually, it means the shutdown will be 10 minutes, and the reboot up will be 10 minutes. ;) |
| 14:05 | jcamins | libsysguy: I rarely boot up Windows. It's just in a VM. |
| 14:06 | libsysguy | lol thats why it needs so many patchs |
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| 14:06 | libsysguy | you're probably still getting patches for those stuxnet holes :p |
| 14:06 | mtompset | actually, FLAME is the new STUXNET. |
| 14:07 | libsysguy | oh yeah I read about that yesterday |
| 14:08 | mtompset | Actually, the only true solution to this virus mess is to virtualize EVERYTHING. |
| 14:09 | libsysguy | http://i.qkme.me/36c6o2.jpg |
| 14:09 | * wizzyrea | applauds |
| 14:09 | wizzyrea | libsysguy? |
| 14:09 | wahanui | libsysguy is Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck |
| 14:09 | * wizzyrea | nods |
| 14:09 | libsysguy | heh |
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| 14:10 | mtompset | Loved that graphic! |
| 14:10 | "Virtualize all the servers!" | |
| 14:10 | wizzyrea | so much that it made you leave? :) |
| 14:10 | or you snorted coffee on your keyboard | |
| 14:10 | which is what nearly happened to me. | |
| 14:11 | mtompset | Actually, I opened the image... but it should have been in a new tab. And back disconnected me. |
| 14:11 | wizzyrea | doh! |
| 14:11 | * jcamins | curses .NET. |
| 14:11 | * mtompset | laughs. |
| 14:11 | jcamins | In what way was .NET a good idea? |
| 14:11 | mtompset | A common runtime library is a good idea in theory. |
| 14:12 | Makes maintaining the Visual Studio suite easier. ;) | |
| 14:12 | jcamins | Ah. Right. |
| 14:12 | Unfortunately, installing it is non-trivial. | |
| 14:13 | mtompset | And could break things which are dependent on it. |
| 14:13 | jcamins | I successfully downloaded all the .NET files, and now it's just kind of spinning doing nothing. |
| 14:14 | * jcamins | tries Windows Update in IE. |
| 14:14 | * oleonard | offers jcamins a satchel packed with garlic and silver bullets |
| 14:14 | jcamins | oleonard: thanks! |
| 14:15 | mtompset | That only works under XP... Vista and 7 integrate windows update. |
| 14:15 | jcamins | It won't cancel the installation either. |
| 14:15 | mtompset | Nope. |
| 14:16 | * mtompset | hands jcamins a stake in the shape of a holy cross. |
| 14:16 | jcamins | Argh! |
| 14:16 | mtompset | And better take some gold-dust just incase the cybermen are involved. ;) |
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| 14:17 | * mtompset | thinks the old school cybermen would beat up the new school cybermen easy. |
| 14:18 | wajasu | jcamins: if you use my script, you could tweak the libvirt virsh command to create the vm machine to use other targets than kvm, such as lxc, qcow2, etc |
| 14:19 | mtompset | "< owen> If your vendor calls it KOHA you know it's not really Koha." -- is that why you got on my case about KOHA when we first met, oleonard? ;) |
| 14:19 | wajasu | jcamins: one other thing, is i have a dnsmasq handing out ip adresses, so my vm uses dhcp. |
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| 14:20 | wajasu | jcamins: on the bridged network. |
| 14:21 | jcamins | wajasu: I can tweak it if it doesn't work with my system. |
| 14:23 | oleonard | mtompset: Partly, yes. The other fact is that the name of the software is Koha, not KOHA. |
| 14:24 | wajasu | jcamins: ok bldkohavm.sh is a shell script, which reads the debian iso, and a preseed.cfg file and writes an image to boot as a cdrom install. |
| 14:24 | pastebot | "wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "bldkohavm.sh early release shell script that builds a virtual machine (kvm) squeeze+" (41 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/447 |
| 14:24 | mtompset | I was thinking kOhA would be nice to call it. It's case-insensitive in my address bar. ;) |
| 14:25 | wajasu | jcamins: now i am trying to figure out how to upload the preseed.cfg |
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| 14:26 | oleonard | mtompset: The software already has a name, thanks. |
| 14:27 | * jcamins | tries installing .NET again. |
| 14:27 | pastebot | "wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "preseed.cfg that drives non-interactive debian squeeze koha-common install." (501 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/448 |
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| 14:30 | jcamins | Hm. # indicates a comment? |
| 14:30 | wajasu | jcamins: you must edit bldkohavm.sh and tweak to point to your ISO, and preseed.cfg. I had mine in /tmp, because it is /dev/shm memory for speed. # is comment in shell script. |
| 14:33 | after you run that script, you have a new iso, that is called debian-6.0.5-amd64-netinst-koha.iso, which when booted in the cdrom will auto install debian, and grab all the koha-common, dependencies. it takes 5 minutes on my box, probably 20 on yours. | |
| 14:34 | jcamins | wajasu: but what about in preseed.cfg? Is # a comment on that? |
| 14:34 | *in that | |
| 14:34 | wajasu | yes those are comments |
| 14:34 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 14:42 | pastebot | "wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "koha-vm-builder.sh early-release: using libvirt command line, boot installs the koha debian auto-install image. using a bridge br1, and virt-type=kvm" (82 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/449 |
| 14:46 | wajasu | jcamins: i've got an appointment in 20minutes. but will be back in 2-3 hours and can help give support later today. |
| 14:46 | jcamins | wajasu: thanks for sharing! |
| 14:46 | wajasu | i'm using libvirt, because we can leverage/target lvm, lxc, kvm, etc. |
| 14:48 | the thing i was successful in was booting, then adding git, and then kohaclone, with a koha-dev running against the same database. | |
| 14:49 | mtompset | So, jcamins, why use packages over a git install? |
| 14:50 | jcamins | mtompset: maintenance. |
| 14:50 | wajasu | the user:pass is koha-biblio/koh-biblio see /etc/koha/passwd. |
| 14:51 | really everything is driven in the preseed.cfg | |
| 14:53 | i was also able to use sshfs to mount my kohaclone git on my host OS, and added another apache virtual host pointing to that, using the same database. so i can code in my host os. | |
| 14:53 | jcamins | That last part is pretty cool. |
| 14:53 | mtompset: with packages, I don't have to worry about upgrades going wrong. | |
| 14:54 | With git, I do. | |
| 14:55 | wajasu | yes. and i was going to just add a script in the vm that you run to support git development. and a commented sshfs line in fstab. |
| 14:56 | i had another idea: using autofs and sshfs to autmount my git dev environment upon accesssing a certain directory in the VM. | |
| 14:57 | and i wonder if i accessed something like /home/koha/bugNNNN, that it would automount, and sent the git command to switch to that branch. AND show the current git branch in my command prompt :) | |
| 14:58 | jcamins | Ooh. That'd be pretty slick. |
| 15:01 | wajasu | ...and create instances of the database like koha-bugNNNN as needed or using koha-create or such. so a flxible kohadev VM can happen. |
| 15:02 | you can then run this from jenkins, and do continous integration. | |
| 15:02 | jcamins | :) |
| 15:02 | That's my kind of idea. :) | |
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| 15:04 | wajasu | if you had all the perl packages ????-perl that are in the koha-common to the preseed file, the auto install could do that part if one did not want to use koha common. |
| 15:05 | we all want the same thing. a solid dev environment, that we can trust the integrity for patches/QA and saves time to refactor/code. | |
| 15:07 | you could even expose your VM on the internet and collaborate with another koha dev, and let them sign in or expose the VNC session to share it. | |
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| 15:09 | Oak | \o |
| 15:10 | wajasu | now if all these features were in a koha-dev vm, folks could collaborate even more. and the wiki could walk them through. |
| 15:12 | mtompset | Woo hoo! It worked. |
| 15:12 | Now tomorrow, I shall attempt an upgrade for the first time. :) | |
| 15:13 | Hi, Oak. | |
| 15:13 | * mtompset | waves good bye. |
| 15:13 | Oak | hello mtompset :) |
| 15:13 | * wajasu | there was much cheer and jubulation |
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| 15:35 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:35 | * wajasu | back in a couple of hours |
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| 17:47 | nengard | Is there a problem with the RFC template? |
| 17:47 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ttributes_in_circ | |
| 17:47 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]imed_Returned_RFC | |
| 17:47 | if you edit those pages they have content - but they show up as blank | |
| 17:47 | cait | hm we might have broken it |
| 17:48 | nengard | we? |
| 17:48 | wahanui | we are very happy 3.6.3 users now |
| 17:48 | nengard | heh |
| 17:48 | cait | kyleh had accidently put a new page into the template |
| 17:48 | nengard | oh |
| 17:48 | cait | and dobrica tried to fix it |
| 17:48 | nengard | hmmm |
| 17:48 | cait | probably something went wrong |
| 17:48 | but I don't know anything about how the templates work :( | |
| 17:49 | nengard | yeah me either |
| 17:49 | maybe i'll email the list | |
| 17:52 | Oak | you did \o/ |
| 17:54 | cait | ? |
| 17:54 | Oak? | |
| 17:54 | wahanui | i guess Oak is Arslan. I am a student doing masters in Library Science (2nd semester). I am a web developer and work in Joomla. or good |
| 17:55 | Oak | she emailed the list |
| 17:55 | never mind | |
| 17:55 | cait? | |
| 17:55 | wahanui | That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :) or a librarian, you will get wahanui's information or a hero |
| 17:56 | cait | hm? |
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| 17:57 | Oak | time changes everything |
| 17:57 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 17:58 | mbalmer | hi drojf... |
| 17:59 | all got back home safe? | |
| 17:59 | cait | hi drojf |
| 17:59 | home safe? | |
| 18:02 | drojf | hi mbalmer and cait! safe yes, but with delay and a later flight |
| 18:02 | cait | ah |
| 18:03 | mbalmer | oh that sucks... |
| 18:03 | cait | hope everything goes well for me tomorrow |
| 18:03 | don't want to be stuck in zürich | |
| 18:03 | mbalmer | still in edin, cait? |
| 18:03 | cait | yeah |
| 18:03 | my flight is tomorrow | |
| 18:03 | mbalmer | cool |
| 18:03 | cait | <- vacation ;) |
| 18:03 | drojf | but i met dpavlin and mglavica and had a last ale before the flight ;) |
| 18:04 | cait | oooh nice :) |
| 18:05 | drojf | would have been nice to get some voucher for refreshments from lufthansa in düsseldorf though, i ate only a pretzel since breakfast |
| 18:05 | but well, another beer on the second flight :D | |
| 18:05 | i think i am 2 hours later now than planned, lost track of that a little | |
| 18:05 | cait | 2 hours is not all that bad |
| 18:05 | I got to nz 24 hours late last time ;) | |
| 18:05 | drojf | no! |
| 18:06 | bah | |
| 18:06 | yeah it was ok, they seem to fly often frim ddorf to berlin | |
| 18:06 | from | |
| 18:07 | francharb | hey all |
| 18:07 | rangi | hey its my robot friend francharb ! |
| 18:07 | francharb | delayed (hopefully) bags in my case |
| 18:07 | hi rangi | |
| 18:08 | cait | oh |
| 18:08 | francharb | but at least i'm home |
| 18:08 | cait | didn't get them at the airprort? |
| 18:08 | francharb | nope |
| 18:08 | and they didn't know where they were | |
| 18:08 | drojf | it seemed all flights were delayed at some point |
| 18:08 | francharb | maybe in amsterdam (my connection flight) |
| 18:09 | rangi | oh man, you have caught my lost luggage disease |
| 18:09 | francharb | cross fingers for getting them tonight or tomorrow! |
| 18:09 | ahah | |
| 18:09 | cait | francharb: at least lots of flights between there and home... hope you get them soon |
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| 18:09 | francharb | I looks like that |
| 18:09 | I hope too | |
| 18:09 | drojf | it's probably better to lose them on the way back |
| 18:09 | * liw | mentions his favorite travel website ever: http://www.onebag.com/ |
| 18:09 | cait | they lost mine too when coming back from nz :P |
| 18:09 | so it originated from me maybe | |
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| 18:10 | francharb | drojf++ |
| 18:10 | * drojf | is happy that all luggage and ales are here with me :D |
| 18:10 | francharb | that's right |
| 18:10 | wahanui | I know. |
| 18:10 | francharb | hehe |
| 18:10 | and the principal is with me (my computer) so... | |
| 18:10 | drojf | 21kg, 6kg more than on the way to edinburgh! |
| 18:11 | francharb: yes at least you can wait online ;) | |
| 18:11 | francharb | :) |
| 18:11 | drojf | cait: whats happening in edinburgh tonight? |
| 18:11 | francharb | And I've been able to prepare my meeting tomorrow.... :) |
| 18:11 | I need to book my train tickets by the way | |
| 18:11 | bbl | |
| 18:13 | oleonard | Are you home rangi ? |
| 18:13 | rangi | nope |
| 18:14 | i catch a bus at 3am to the mare port | |
| 18:14 | francharb | 0_0 |
| 18:14 | rangi | then 7 zillion hours later |
| 18:14 | i get home | |
| 18:14 | drojf | heh |
| 18:14 | liw | range, 3am? ouch |
| 18:14 | rangi, even | |
| 18:14 | rangi | yeah, im having words with the travel agent when i get back |
| 18:15 | liw | rangi, then you have time for one of the Edinburgh night-time underground horror zombie vampire serial killer tours? :) |
| 18:15 | rangi | early flight ... then 14 hours in singapore ... |
| 18:15 | cait | drojf: sleep soon I think :) went shopping with rangi today, lots of walking ... *glares at rangi* |
| 18:15 | rangi | hehe |
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| 18:15 | rangi | liw: robin did one of those last night |
| 18:15 | we did a literary pub tour earlier too | |
| 18:15 | which was a lot of fun | |
| 18:16 | liw | nice |
| 18:16 | rangi | its a lovely city |
| 18:16 | liw | were deep-fried mars bars consumed? |
| 18:16 | drojf | funny that marijana told me alcohol would lessen the pressure problems while flying but i lost almost all hearing on the right ear after having an ale |
| 18:16 | * oleonard | is jealous of your long spell in Edinburgh |
| 18:16 | cait | yep - and they talked loud and clear too , good for me :) (literary pub tour) |
| 18:16 | drojf | the pub tour was really nice |
| 18:17 | rangi | liw: nope, but i ate about 7 more teacakes than i probably should have |
| 18:17 | cait | heh |
| 18:17 | francharb | It's like it was a pub tour everyday... |
| 18:17 | cait | he didn't share with us! |
| 18:17 | liw | rangi, good, the mars bars are not a good idea :) |
| 18:17 | cait | deserves you right :P |
| 18:17 | rangi | and my bloodstream is now irn bru |
| 18:17 | francharb | rangi, I wanted to try this but didn't have time |
| 18:17 | so tonight, if you can | |
| 18:17 | drojf | rangi: fiery irn bru? ;) |
| 18:18 | francharb | try a deep-fried mars bar |
| 18:18 | it sounds like a local treat | |
| 18:18 | drojf | francharb: have you seen it somewhere? i only read about it |
| 18:18 | rangi | i think ill just be going to sleep soon |
| 18:18 | francharb | drojf, yep |
| 18:18 | near grass marke | |
| 18:18 | t | |
| 18:18 | rangi | but we have deep fried moro bars in nz |
| 18:18 | drojf | i bet it's strangely delicious |
| 18:18 | rangi | ive had one of those |
| 18:18 | francharb | and they have deep fried pizza as well |
| 18:18 | rangi | its incredibly messy |
| 18:19 | francharb | I bet |
| 18:19 | :) | |
| 18:19 | I wish I had tested this... | |
| 18:19 | drojf | try it at home |
| 18:19 | francharb | maybe one day! |
| 18:19 | drojf, hehe | |
| 18:19 | drojf | i suppose you have mars bars |
| 18:19 | in france i mean | |
| 18:19 | cait | francharb: what about meeting again here next yeear? :) |
| 18:19 | rangi | heh |
| 18:20 | drojf | or talk to mveron and try to make it in the dishwasher :D |
| 18:20 | cait | I skipped the fish and chips... |
| 18:20 | and the chocolate fudge cake | |
| 18:20 | francharb | I need to find a fryer |
| 18:20 | cait | drojf: heh |
| 18:20 | francharb | and yep drojf, we have mars bars |
| 18:20 | :) | |
| 18:20 | rangi | we did have indian food tho, you cant get much more scottish than that :) |
| 18:20 | drojf | cait: i also missed the fudge store |
| 18:20 | francharb | rangi, that's right! |
| 18:20 | drojf | not enough time for sweetseeing |
| 18:21 | cait | drojf: rangi pointed that out ot me today... but I should have bought more |
| 18:21 | drojf | i should have gone at all |
| 18:21 | francharb | The funny thing is I like indian food better in the UK than in India.... |
| 18:21 | weird... | |
| 18:21 | wahanui | weird is normal after a while :) |
| 18:21 | drojf | but i have my ales. i think that will make me quite happy |
| 18:21 | francharb | :) |
| 18:21 | cait | they had those little pieses on plates for testing |
| 18:21 | drojf | ooooh |
| 18:21 | rangi | we found the fudge and whisky stores today, much joy was had by all :) |
| 18:21 | cait | I bought one block and took a little piece before I wnet out... had to go straight back into the shop to buy another |
| 18:22 | drojf | hahahaha |
| 18:22 | * drojf | is jealous |
| 18:22 | mbalmer | in these scottish stores they sold condoms with a whisky taste, strange guys, these scots... |
| 18:22 | francharb | cait, the fudge house? |
| 18:22 | cait | hm no I think something with candy in the name |
| 18:23 | drojf | oh not the fudge house? ok, then we can go again together. next year or so ;) |
| 18:23 | francharb | mbalmer, just next to the whisky condom, you can also but a 4£ fake vagina... |
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| 18:23 | francharb | realllly strange |
| 18:23 | drojf | francharb: with whiskey taste? |
| 18:23 | francharb | sorry for sharring that |
| 18:23 | by the way | |
| 18:23 | drojf | lol |
| 18:23 | * mbalmer | wonders in which store francharb was... |
| 18:23 | francharb | a random pub |
| 18:24 | :) | |
| 18:24 | but for sure, we could doubt that | |
| 18:24 | but I swear it was in a pub! | |
| 18:24 | :) | |
| 18:24 | drojf | yes they had condom machines often, i never had a look. should have, seems to be interesting ;) |
| 18:25 | mbalmer | but for 4 pound, you can get a real whisky ;) |
| 18:25 | francharb | i should have take a picture |
| 18:25 | mbalmer, and it's way more fun! | |
| 18:26 | drojf | i wonder when my hearing will return, it gets irritating. |
| 18:26 | cait | dring some beer? |
| 18:26 | francharb | s/some/lot |
| 18:26 | cait | it broke after you had the ale... so ale might fix it ,) |
| 18:26 | francharb | and forget eveyrthing |
| 18:26 | ;) | |
| 18:26 | * rangi | has 4 beers from slef |
| 18:27 | drojf | that would make everything less irritating at least :D |
| 18:27 | rangi | but all safely packed away |
| 18:27 | francharb | time for diner here! |
| 18:27 | mbalmer | is evergreen a good ils? |
| 18:27 | rangi | yup |
| 18:27 | francharb | for those who travel today or tomorrow, travel safe! |
| 18:27 | drojf | mbalmer: fed up with the koha crowd already? |
| 18:27 | rangi | thanks francharb |
| 18:28 | mbalmer | drojf, not at all. |
| 18:28 | drojf | or is there an evergreen conference in some nice place? ;) |
| 18:28 | francharb | see ya! |
| 18:28 | drojf | bye francharb |
| 18:28 | bon appetit | |
| 18:28 | francharb_afk | :) |
| 18:28 | thanks | |
| 18:29 | mbalmer | drojf, they use pg and qt, two nice things. |
| 18:29 | cait | I think it is a nice ils |
| 18:29 | mbalmer | is it used a lot? |
| 18:29 | drojf | i only remember they were lacking acquisition when i looked for a system for us |
| 18:29 | cait | lots of libraries in US do |
| 18:30 | mbalmer | imo, koha has the huge advantage of a large and vibrant community |
| 18:31 | rangi | http://www.librarytechnology.o[…].pl?ILS=Evergreen |
| 18:31 | http://www.librarytechnology.org/map.pl?ILS=Koha | |
| 18:32 | drojf | wow that is extremely north america centered, i didn't know |
| 18:32 | * oleonard | wonders if Evergreen has good i18n features |
| 18:32 | cait | drojf: I think they have acq and serials now |
| 18:32 | drojf | yes i think so too |
| 18:32 | but we are not gonna change now ;) | |
| 18:32 | cait | back when we (BSZ) started looking at koha and evergreen they hadn't |
| 18:33 | mbalmer | oleonard, it must, since it is based on qt. |
| 18:33 | drojf | the koha map looks way more balanced and nicer |
| 18:33 | not the system's fault though i guess | |
| 18:34 | wizzyrea | well evergreen was commissioned for a huge library system in Georgia US |
| 18:34 | drojf | none in greenland. yet |
| 18:34 | * drojf | claims the artic |
| 18:34 | wizzyrea | so it's got a distinct north american bias in terms of who exactly it serves |
| 18:34 | drojf | arctic even |
| 18:34 | wizzyrea | (at the moment) |
| 18:38 | drojf | alright, will try to get some scampi done and put on a salad. bbl |
| 18:39 | rangi | http://untappd.com/user/ranginui |
| 18:39 | drojf | those that still have to travel, have a safe and not too long way back |
| 18:39 | rangi | my trip, in beers |
| 18:39 | * cait | rolls eyes at the nz beer snobs ;) |
| 18:39 | drojf | i wish i had done that, then i would remember what all i had |
| 18:39 | i remember abbott ale in the airport ;) | |
| 18:40 | i think its spelled wrong | |
| 18:41 | rhcl | on librarytechnology.org, is it possible to view a country with the ILSs used there? I can't seem to find a link that will let me do that |
| 18:41 | rangi | not with the map |
| 18:42 | but you can do a search in libwebcats | |
| 18:42 | oleonard | The distribution of Koha on the map really is a beautiful sight to behold. |
| 18:42 | rangi | http://librarytechnology.org/libwebcats/ |
| 18:43 | bag | cool rangi I like tracking a trip in beers :) |
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| 18:43 | cait | oleonard: thereis only one flaw with the map - not enough entries for germany yet :) |
| 18:44 | mbalmer | we will change that ;P |
| 18:45 | oleonard | I'd like to see more in Eastern Europe, Russia, and Asia |
| 18:45 | cait | drojf should enter his library :) |
| 18:45 | *hint* | |
| 18:45 | oleonard: asia... hm... you should go on a mission there and fix it :) | |
| 18:47 | * oleonard | wonders if China has a state-mandated ILS |
| 18:49 | rangi | https://mmitblog.wordpress.com[…]/12/kohacon-2012/ <-- nice blog post from kate |
| 18:55 | cait | :) |
| 18:57 | mbalmer | my next iteration of MARC support in PostgreSQL will be able to directly read in MARC files using the so-called foreign data wrappers. |
| 18:57 | PostgreSQL++ | |
| 18:57 | wajasu | nice |
| 19:00 | drojf | cait: i'm pretty sure i did |
| 19:00 | enter my library i mean | |
| 19:01 | cait | ah |
| 19:01 | didn't check lately | |
| 19:01 | drojf | and pretended to be using koha love already ;) |
| 19:01 | * cait | checks the map |
| 19:02 | drojf | i did not put much info in yet but it should know where we are |
| 19:03 | yeah, huge salad. i missed that in edinburgh. should have gone to an italian restaurant maybe | |
| 19:04 | cait | you seemed happy enough with beer :) |
| 19:04 | jcamins_away | Mmm. Salad. |
| 19:04 | cait | and you are rehabilitated - the library is on the map :) |
| 19:04 | jcamins_away | We're going to have a nice salad for dinner tonight. :) |
| 19:04 | cait | jcamins_away: I made a fudge photo for you! |
| 19:04 | jcamins_away | It's a co-op night! |
| 19:04 | cait: oh? | |
| 19:05 | cait | yeah, it's still on my phone tho |
| 19:05 | we found a fudge store... and I should so have bought more.. *sigh* | |
| 19:05 | oleonard | Alright, no more procrastinating. Time to get the jquery datepicker working on the holiday calendar |
| 19:05 | cait | yayQ |
| 19:05 | jcamins_away | Oh, the one on the royal mile? |
| 19:05 | * cait | cheers oleonard on |
| 19:05 | cait | the new tabs are very nice and shiny |
| 19:05 | hm not sure | |
| 19:05 | rangi found it | |
| 19:05 | I think it was somewhere around the grassmarket | |
| 19:06 | I got a block of baileys and a block of caramell | |
| 19:06 | jcamins_away | Mmm. |
| 19:06 | liw | cait, what you need is someone who's willing to send you tinned fudge by mail, obviously |
| 19:06 | oleonard | Fudge is a thing there? |
| 19:06 | mbalmer | I want to be able to do select marc_field(marc21', '245$a') to get at MARC subfields, and I need a syntax to set marc fields. |
| 19:07 | cait | oleonard: yep |
| 19:07 | and liw: sounds exensive... but yes...:) | |
| 19:08 | * wizzyrea | gives oleonard something healthy to fuel him on |
| 19:08 | cait | wizzyrea: fudge is not healthy? |
| 19:09 | jcamins_away | cait: only if it has chocolate in it. |
| 19:10 | That's why I always make chocolate fudge varieties. | |
| 19:11 | * jcamins_away | respects his wife's goal to eat healthy. |
| 19:13 | cait | lol |
| 19:13 | then it's not healty what I bought :) | |
| 19:14 | will keep it all to myself so noone else gets endangered | |
| 19:14 | jcamins_away | This is why I make *chocolate* Bailey's fudge. |
| 19:14 | :D | |
| 19:15 | drojf | lol |
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| 19:25 | rangi | hey eythian |
| 19:25 | wahanui | eythian is in NZ. ;) or a good influence |
| 19:25 | eythian | hi |
| 19:25 | thought you'd gone to sleep | |
| 19:25 | * cait | waves |
| 19:26 | eythian | hello |
| 19:26 | wahanui | what's up, eythian |
| 19:26 | drojf | hi eythian |
| 19:26 | rangi | sposta be, but my brain is not cooperating |
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| 19:28 | eythian | ah right |
| 19:28 | did you want to leave me your SIM card for Stacey? | |
| 19:29 | hi drojf | |
| 19:29 | rangi | ahh actually i was gonna use it at heathrow |
| 19:30 | eythian | oh right |
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| 20:10 | * oleonard | is pleased with the drastic reduction in complexity the jqueryUI datepicker will bring |
| 20:11 | jcamins | Reduced_complexity++ |
| 20:14 | * oleonard | might actually get this one submitted tomorrow. |
| 20:14 | oleonard | Until then #koha |
| 20:15 | * oleonard | waves |
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| 20:27 | roygbivovac | hi |
| 20:27 | wahanui | salut, roygbivovac |
| 20:28 | roygbivovac | I've got this trivial question... |
| 20:29 | wizzyrea | shoot :) |
| 20:30 | roygbivovac | I'm trying to install koha on a virtual machine,I need to type the upside down hat like this lamp-server^, How can I type it? |
| 20:33 | ok got it - shift 6 | |
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| 20:40 | mbalmer | hmm, we got more patches in koha than we got koha customers, we ate doing sth wrong in .ch, I guess ;) |
| 20:41 | s/ate/are/ | |
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| 21:09 | mbalmer | in the long term, any compley database application probably has to settle on one database server system. |
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| 22:13 | dpavlin | I'm back from kohacon and I'm still amazed how you can read e-mails all day but when you really meet people they are so much more! This goes for you all. Thanks everybody! |
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