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| 02:24 | mtj | heres a random T::T questions... how to see/dump all T::T variables used for a page generation? |
| 02:25 | i can see a few people asking the Q on perlmonks, but no real answer... :/ | |
| 02:25 | http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=641731 | |
| 02:25 | http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=749813 | |
| 02:26 | ooh, that look like the solution? -> http://www.tt2.org/docs/manual[…]_Global_Variables | |
| 02:27 | jcamins | mtj: in what way? |
| 02:29 | mtj | well..., there's a tt code snippet showing a cgi object getting dumped to the screen |
| 02:29 | ...that looks pretty close to what i need | |
| 02:30 | jcamins | I think possibly you sent the wrong link? |
| 02:30 | mtj | hmm, no |
| 02:31 | am i missing something stupid? | |
| 02:31 | jcamins | You sent a link to a brief writeup on BLOCKs. |
| 02:31 | mtj | oops! :) |
| 02:32 | http://www.tt2.org/docs/manual[…]l#section_Objects | |
| 02:32 | objects | |
| 02:32 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 02:32 | That won't help. | |
| 02:32 | You want to know the variables used by the template. | |
| 02:33 | mtj | basically, i need some code in a tt file, to identify what .pl or .tt file it was called with... |
| 02:33 | yep | |
| 02:33 | jcamins | Okay, let's start over. |
| 02:33 | First question? | |
| 02:33 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" |
| 02:34 | mtj | ... and see if any of that data contains and .pl or .tt strings |
| 02:35 | jcamins | Yeah, you'll definitely have to explain what you want to do. |
| 02:36 | mtj | so i'm trying to write a bit of TT code, to identify if it was generated by opac-main.pl, basically... |
| 02:37 | jcamins | Have opac-main.pl pass in a particular argument. |
| 02:38 | (and whatever other pages you're interested in) | |
| 02:38 | Or, use the variable that tells you what your current URL is. | |
| 02:39 | mtj | yep, sure... i was trying for a patch that didnt modify opac-main.pl, needlessly |
| 02:40 | i might just add that 1-liner to opac-main.pl - for the quick-fix :) | |
| 02:40 | jcamins | It depends what the patch is for, but I feel pretty sure that it would make more sense to modify opac-main. |
| 02:41 | Though, I'm also having trouble seeing why more than one Perl file would be calling a particular template, unless it's an include. | |
| 02:41 | mtj | i was hoping that some currently available info was already being passed to the template |
| 02:41 | jcamins | And if it's an include, it shouldn't be page-specific. |
| 02:42 | mtj | click, you are correct here! :) |
| 02:43 | ok, i got it sorted now :p - thanx for the brain-SLAP!!! | |
| 02:44 | still, an interesting thing i would like to see... | |
| 02:45 | ... a way to dump all data-structures for a template object | |
| 02:45 | jcamins | That would be very difficult to do. |
| 02:45 | I think tying the hash would really be the best option. | |
| 02:45 | Well, after sleeping, which is the very best option of all. | |
| 02:45 | Good night. | |
| 02:47 | mtj | hmmm, looks close -> http://www.tt2.org/docs/module[…]lugin/Dumper.html |
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| 04:18 | * Oak | waves |
| 04:18 | druthb | hi, Oak! :) |
| 04:18 | Oak | hello druthb :) |
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| 05:23 | rangi | Yay |
| 05:24 | Oak | hey rangi :) |
| 05:24 | what happened? | |
| 05:24 | rangi | Try googling for koha or koha community |
| 05:25 | Looks like its all fixed | |
| 05:26 | Oak | "Official Website of the Koha Open Source ILS" \o/ |
| 05:27 | or was it always like that? the "Official" part? | |
| 05:28 | rangi | Hmm can't recall |
| 05:28 | It had dropped right out of the results for a few days | |
| 05:29 | Oak | ah |
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| 05:37 | Oak | pressing close X button now closes xchat instead of minimizing it... |
| 05:37 | to tray | |
| 05:54 | mtj | woo, looks like i just sent you some 'topical' email rangi :p |
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| 06:40 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:43 | cait | hi reiveune :) |
| 06:43 | reiveune | hi cait :) |
| 06:45 | mle | hi cait, hi reivenue |
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| 06:49 | slef | blurgh |
| 06:49 | ok, place your bets... will I get home today, tomorrow or later? ;) | |
| 06:52 | cait | hi mle - are you wearing your debian kilt today? |
| 06:52 | slef: you want to leave? | |
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| 06:59 | julian_m | hello |
| 07:04 | mle | ty for reminding me cait |
| 07:05 | * mle | rummags for a kilt |
| 07:05 | mle | rummages about even |
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| 07:16 | drojf | good morning #koha |
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| 07:26 | * Oak | waves |
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| 08:12 | clrh | hello |
| 08:13 | jransom | hi theree |
| 08:13 | sophie_m | good morning #koha |
| 08:13 | mrenvoize | good morning all (those in the uk anyways..) |
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| 08:14 | mveron | Good morning #koha |
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| 08:20 | alex_a | bonjour! |
| 08:22 | matts | hello ! |
| 08:30 | mveron | Still no confirmation mail for Wiki access. Would like to do some documentation for the age restriction functionality. |
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| 08:45 | slef | mveron: wiki mail is down, sadly, because of the number of spammers. We need a better solution. Search irc logs for gmcharlt's comments |
| 08:46 | mveron: currently I think we have to beg gmcharlt or thd-away` to approve accounts manually, which does not scale. | |
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| 09:24 | samuel | hi everybody |
| 09:30 | eythian | jcamins_away: almost have the oldstable ready to go, just adding the dependencies to it. |
| 09:36 | mrenvoize | wikiwise.. we use "ConfirmAccount" + "ConfirmEdit" at a number of my wiki's the prevent the spam problem.. human spammers still get through to the admins, but as long as you've got a good number of admins on the wiki then it's reasonably easy to sort the cruft form the real users. |
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| 09:48 | mle | i forgot my heafphones. can anyone lend me some for editing? |
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| 09:51 | mib_sdyg8l | getting software error when clicking first title of the 2nd page to view title details ver. 3.6.4 |
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| 09:56 | Brooke | howdy tj |
| 09:58 | paul_p | Hi Brooke ! |
| 09:58 | Brooke | bonjour |
| 09:58 | you have been very busy :D | |
| 09:58 | ta for all the hard work | |
| 09:59 | * Brooke | needs think over some of the listserv stuff. |
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| 10:10 | Brooke | hi cait |
| 10:13 | cait | hi Brooke |
| 10:14 | Brooke | how's it going? |
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| 10:35 | cait | http://paste.koha-community.org/442 |
| 10:36 | rangi | git clone git://git.koha-community.org/release-tools.git |
| 10:36 | cait | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ols.git;a=summary |
| 10:36 | jransom | heya brooke |
| 10:37 | Brooke | ahoy |
| 10:42 | eythian | jcamins_away: 3.6 packages are uploading into the 'oldstable' repo. Can you give it a bit of a test and if it looks good, I'll update the wiki |
| 10:47 | rangi | dpavlin_away: Can't locate Plack/Middleware/Debug/Koha.pm |
| 10:48 | clrh: http://www.scotchwhiskyexperience.co.uk/ | |
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| 10:51 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 10:52 | Brooke | howdy |
| 10:52 | wahanui | hi, Brooke |
| 10:52 | mtompset | Hello, Brooke. |
| 10:53 | clrh | julian_m: and Joubu enters the scoreboard ;) http://scoreboard.koha-community.org/ |
| 10:54 | mveron: cait vat is back ;) http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5335 | |
| 10:54 | huginn | 04Bug 5335: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , More granular VAT |
| 10:57 | dpavlin_away | rangi: good catch. Just remove Koha from enable_if { $ENV{PLACK_DEBUG} } 'Debug', panels => [ |
| 10:57 | dpavlin | I will re-submit patch without that dependency |
| 10:58 | rangi | ta |
| 11:00 | dpavlin: up and running now | |
| 11:00 | what would you like me to test? | |
| 11:01 | dpavlin | rangi: 8180 and 8183 if possible :-) |
| 11:03 | rangi | righto looking now |
| 11:07 | mveron | clrh: Thanks regarding 5335, already testing |
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| 11:08 | Oak | Brooke ! |
| 11:09 | Ahoy jcamins and cait | |
| 11:09 | jcamins | Greetings. |
| 11:09 | Oak | :) |
| 11:09 | jcamins | eythian: I'll take a look at the oldstable. |
| 11:10 | cait | hi Oak and jcamins :) |
| 11:10 | * magnuse | waves |
| 11:11 | Oak | magnuse |
| 11:11 | magnuse | Oak |
| 11:11 | mtompset | Greetings, Oak. |
| 11:12 | Oak | Greetings mtompset :) |
| 11:12 | mtompset | Out of curiosity, has anyone every discussed programming style? |
| 11:13 | kyleh_ | http://torrentfreak.com/anti-p[…]ing-books-120610/ |
| 11:13 | magnuse | mtompset: something like http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines ? |
| 11:13 | mtompset | I was noticing that, for example, qw() can be qw/.../ or qw(...) or qw{ }? |
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| 11:14 | Oak | @wunder islamabad |
| 11:14 | huginn | Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 39.0°C (4:00 PM PKT on June 11, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). |
| 11:14 | mtompset | Thanks, magnuse, that is a useful link. |
| 11:16 | eythian | jcamins: btw I cleaned all the old 3.2 stuff out of the repo, it was totally unreferenced. |
| 11:16 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 11:17 | magnuse | eythian++ |
| 11:21 | mtompset | how did you know it was unreferenced? |
| 11:23 | magnuse | is there already a bug for records from number 1000 not being sorted properly? it's mentioned in bug 8225, which is mostly a duplicate of bug 7894 anyway |
| 11:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8225 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Problem to view title details in OPAC result |
| 11:23 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7894 blocker, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Broken detail page for first link on page 2 from search result page in OPAC | |
| 11:25 | cait | magnuse: i think you have to change a zebra setting |
| 11:25 | magnuse: sth like a known issue, more sorting, slower... | |
| 11:25 | magnuse | cait: is it documented anywhere? |
| 11:25 | cait | hmmm |
| 11:25 | I think it was on the mailinglist... or the wiki... or bugzilla | |
| 11:25 | I don#t know where I have seen it actually | |
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| 11:26 | magnuse | hehe |
| 11:26 | jcamins | etc/zebradb/zebra-biblios.cfg |
| 11:26 | sortmax. | |
| 11:28 | mtompset | Let's say I have 3.6.3 installed. |
| 11:28 | What's the best way to upgrade to 3.8.1? | |
| 11:28 | magnuse | thanks jcamins! |
| 11:28 | jcamins | mtompset: install 3.8.1 in the same way you installed 3.6.3. |
| 11:29 | mtompset | from scratch? |
| 11:29 | How do I transport my data and settings over then? | |
| 11:29 | jcamins | mtompset: using tarball, packages, whichever. |
| 11:29 | magnuse | jcamins: any plans on getting the solution for bug 7894 into 3.6.x? |
| 11:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7894 blocker, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Broken detail page for first link on page 2 from search result page in OPAC |
| 11:29 | jcamins | mtompset: did you read the section on upgrading in the install documentation? |
| 11:30 | mtompset | upgrading documentation? |
| 11:30 | jcamins | mtompset: read INSTALL.debian. |
| 11:30 | clrh | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Unit_Tests and after lunch I'll provide a new Continupous integration page :) |
| 11:30 | mtompset | ubuntu. :P |
| 11:30 | bengard | can someone sign off on my sign off on bug 7401 ? |
| 11:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7401 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Shelving Location facet instead of Branch facet when only 1 branch configured |
| 11:31 | matts | slef, will you have a look at bug 7294 or shall i find another victim ? :) |
| 11:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7294 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Needs Signoff , status "in order" |
| 11:31 | jcamins | That's okay. Read the upgrading section in INSTALL.debian. |
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| 11:32 | jcamins | magnuse: yes, I'll push that to 3.6-testing now, and it'll go into 3.6.6. |
| 11:32 | juan_sieira | hi, |
| 11:32 | magnuse | jcamins: yay! |
| 11:32 | hola juan_sieira! | |
| 11:32 | juan_sieira | I got to confirm an error when editing subfields, in adminitration |
| 11:32 | I saw it in this way ... now | |
| 11:32 | http://img829.imageshack.us/im[…]adconstraints.png | |
| 11:33 | firefox or chrome | |
| 11:33 | slef | matts: if you want it today I think you will need to find a new victim. I've fires starting left right and centre |
| 11:33 | mtompset | /path/to/koha-install-log? Where is it by default? |
| 11:33 | slef | mtompset: I guess /usr/share/koha/misc |
| 11:33 | juan_sieira | at current master |
| 11:33 | slef | mtompset: locate koha-install-log || find /usr/share/koha -name koha-install-log |
| 11:34 | nacht | first time here hy all |
| 11:34 | matts | slef, okay ! |
| 11:34 | mveron, will you be my victim ? | |
| 11:34 | :) | |
| 11:35 | if you could test 7294 for signoff it would be greeeeeeeeat :) | |
| 11:35 | juan_sieira | Hi magnuse |
| 11:36 | magnuse | welcome, nacht |
| 11:37 | nacht | ow hey |
| 11:37 | juan_sieira | magnuse, can you confirm this error in current master? |
| 11:37 | cait | hi nacht - german? |
| 11:38 | nacht | nope from Belgium i got this link on Kohacon12 |
| 11:39 | cait | ah :) |
| 11:39 | nacht means night in German, so was wondering | |
| 11:39 | slef | matts: mveron says he is running away |
| 11:39 | matts: watch... | |
| 11:39 | mveron | matts: 7294 ? |
| 11:42 | magnuse | juan_sieira: yes, i see it |
| 11:42 | juan_sieira | uff¡, ok |
| 11:42 | magnuse | wow, that's weird |
| 11:42 | juan_sieira | it's not me, its a good - bad notice |
| 11:43 | I'm redoing a patch, and when I were editing marc_subfield_structure.tt I saw it. I cant finish it, without fix this error | |
| 11:45 | I'm creating a new bug in bugzilla | |
| 11:47 | magnuse | juan_sieira: excellent! ;-) |
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| 11:56 | marcelr | hi koha, hi scotland |
| 11:56 | mveron | hi marcelr |
| 11:56 | marcelr | goedenmiddag :-) |
| 11:59 | mveron | Hoe is het ermee? |
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| 12:01 | marcelr | goed, weer veilig thuis en zo |
| 12:02 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:02 | marcelr | hi oleonard |
| 12:02 | juan_sieira | hi oleonard |
| 12:04 | mtompset | Greetings, oleonard. |
| 12:05 | Did you get my message about the CSS not over-riding? | |
| 12:07 | oleonard | mtompset: Yes, just now |
| 12:08 | mveron | Maybe you all know the following link, something to smile. It is in Spanish, but you will understand... |
| 12:08 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwPj0qgvfIs | |
| 12:22 | jcamins | paul_p: around? |
| 12:25 | rangi | he's at lunch |
| 12:26 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 12:26 | Thanks. | |
| 12:27 | slef | the kittens thank you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxEHi6Mlzmk |
| 12:29 | mtompset | I think http://youtu.be/sP4NMoJcFd4 is better. :P |
| 12:33 | magnuse | ooh 196 kittens! |
| 12:34 | eythian | mtompset: because 'reprepro dumpunreferenced' told me |
| 12:37 | mtompset | Is that a script you wrote? |
| 12:44 | eythian | mtompset: no, it's a debian repository management utility |
| 12:45 | oleonard | rangi did the Google indexing problem get resolved? |
| 12:46 | mtompset | Ah. Sounds like a useful utility. :) |
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| 12:52 | jcamins | eythian: oldstable works perfectly. :) |
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| 13:00 | mtompset | oldstable? sounds like Old Faithful. ;) |
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| 13:01 | rangi | oleonard: it appears to have come right, but from all the reading it looks like to be safe we should change the link so they dont dump us again |
| 13:02 | oleonard | Did we get specific feedback about it? |
| 13:02 | jcamins | eythian: right now the packages do not support DOM indexing, and I can't quite figure out how to add support for that. Any hints? |
| 13:03 | rangi | oleonard: no, they never ever ever do that |
| 13:03 | eythian | jcamins: what does it require? |
| 13:03 | rangi | since then we might work out their algorithm |
| 13:03 | jcamins | eythian: just adding an option to choose what you tell the Makefile. |
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| 13:04 | oleonard | It doesn't look to me like anything has changed about the way the site is indexed |
| 13:04 | rangi | they just changed the way the algorithm works and penalised us (and tons of others) |
| 13:04 | no its just the way they rank it | |
| 13:04 | indexing is the same | |
| 13:04 | libsysguy | have we petitioned? |
| 13:04 | rangi | i suspect they reverted their change, which is why you can find the site again |
| 13:04 | libsysguy | its becuase of the footer right? |
| 13:04 | rangi | thats one guess |
| 13:05 | a million links from one site | |
| 13:05 | libsysguy | i think i remember reading something about that on their blog |
| 13:05 | rangi | does kinda look like spam |
| 13:05 | so i can understand it | |
| 13:05 | libsysguy | I can't blame them |
| 13:05 | rangi | yeah |
| 13:05 | oleonard | Sometimes Google is just too clever for it's own (or anyone else's) good |
| 13:05 | rangi | oleonard: mtj and wizzyrea |
| 13:06 | know more about it than me | |
| 13:06 | oleonard | In an incognito mode browser k-c.org is the second result for Koha. In my "main" browser www.ccfls.org/about-koha is the top link! |
| 13:07 | Thanks for nothing Google. | |
| 13:07 | rangi | heh |
| 13:08 | paul_p | jcamins = i'm back |
| 13:09 | matts | hey #koha, mveron and I just found a bug on master : when modifying a marc framework, adding a new subfield causes a strange-wrong-inclusion of header within the page... Can someone confirm this ? |
| 13:09 | oleonard | matts: Bug 8229 |
| 13:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8229 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Tabs in marc subfield structure is not shown correctly |
| 13:10 | matts | okay, know bug, then |
| 13:10 | oleonard | And a simple fix too |
| 13:10 | The tab link has a full URL instead of just the anchor portion | |
| 13:10 | (my mistake, I must have missed editing those) | |
| 13:11 | I'll submit a patch later today if no one beats me to it | |
| 13:12 | jcamins | paul_p++ |
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| 13:12 | * marcelr | seeing lots of warnings like File does not exist: /usr/share/koha/testclone/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/images in staff error log |
| 13:13 | jcamins | libsysguy: didn't you do some work on DBIx::Class? |
| 13:14 | libsysguy | not for anything that is currently implemented |
| 13:14 | I am doing it in my proof | |
| 13:14 | jcamins | Yeah, I thought paul_p might be interested in seeing that work. |
| 13:15 | matts | oleonard, this bug is blocking me, i'll fix it right now if the fix is simple |
| 13:15 | libsysguy | i'd be more than happy to show it off, i think its still a little early to show it for actual judgement |
| 13:15 | but for poking away it should be ok :p | |
| 13:16 | jcamins | "The director at my library heard of a new MARC." <-- Huh? |
| 13:16 | cait | RDA? |
| 13:16 | wahanui | it has been said that RDA is a room in a twisty maze of standards |
| 13:16 | jcamins | cait: maybe? That's what I'm thinking. |
| 13:17 | oleonard | matts: Line 80 and 82 of marc_subfields_structure.tt. Remove the URL leaving just the portion starting with # |
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| 13:17 | matts | oleonard, okay, thx |
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| 13:25 | matts | oleonard, done |
| 13:25 | rangi, patch 8229 submitted (but it only counts as as paw, or whiskers, not the entire kitty) | |
| 13:27 | oleonard | Signed off! |
| 13:28 | matts | \o/ |
| 13:28 | rangi | ! |
| 13:28 | mtompset | Hmmm... Where do I download .po files? |
| 13:28 | jcamins | translate.koha-community.org |
| 13:28 | wahanui | hmmm... translate.koha-community.org is back... |
| 13:29 | jcamins | What do you call the algorithm for determing relevancy and co-occurrence? |
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| 13:30 | jcamins | Cross-something? |
| 13:30 | * Oak | waves |
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| 13:31 | mtompset | been there, jcamins, but I can't figure out how to grab a .po file... |
| 13:31 | I don't want to try to translate anything. | |
| 13:31 | jcamins | mtompset: it's somewhere there. |
| 13:31 | There are tabs along the top when you're looking at a language. | |
| 13:32 | cait | paul_p: can you take a look at reverting 583abead1b3d537f78a3d558981b2e9abb2791ff? |
| 13:33 | it totally breaks installing languages | |
| 13:33 | or we need a follow up urgently | |
| 13:35 | paul_p | cait= error: pathspec '583abead1b3d' did not match any file(s) known to git.. which bugnumber is it ? |
| 13:36 | mtompset | None of the tabs seem to be help, jcamins. If I'm on Overview, and click any of the three .po's listed, I get thrown into translating on the translate tab. |
| 13:36 | If I go to the News tab.... | |
| 13:36 | cait | paul_p: I can't see one :( |
| 13:36 | the title is | |
| 13:36 | Subroutine prototypes used at line XXX, column 1. See page 194 of PBP. | |
| 13:36 | (Severity: 5) | |
| 13:36 | mtompset | and select a .po listed, I get thrown into the translate tab translating. |
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| 13:37 | cait | it's the last commit to TmplTokenizer.pm and it breaks perl translate install/update etc. |
| 13:37 | mtompset | Interesting... I put /download on the end of the link, and it got the file. |
| 13:37 | paul_p | cait, ok got it |
| 13:38 | mtompset | Didn't save it, but that's progress. |
| 13:38 | paul_p | reverting now |
| 13:38 | cait | thanks |
| 13:39 | paul_p | cait = pushed |
| 13:41 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Revert "Subroutine prototypes used at line XXX, column 1. See page 194 of PBP." <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c306f8985a4234489> / Bug 4246 Follow-up updatedatabase <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e10dc7001671f53cc> / Talking Tech Support - Phase I - Followup 3 - Follow PBP <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/ |
| 13:41 | jcamins | mtompset: click the Translate tab. |
| 13:41 | It lets you download PO files. | |
| 13:41 | mtompset: note that if you're using a release, you're much better off using the PO files that were included, generally speaking. | |
| 13:43 | mtompset | You're probably right, jcamins. However, a librarian colleague of mine was thinking about doing a Filipino/Tagalog translation. |
| 13:44 | I was trying to figure out how to suggest to him to go about creating this NEW translation. | |
| 13:44 | jcamins | mtompset: in that case you'll need to create a new translation. |
| 13:44 | I think cait can tell you how to do that. :) | |
| 13:45 | mtompset | I looks like .po files are simple mappings. |
| 13:46 | jcamins | mtompset: yes, there are scripts to create them. |
| 13:48 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #751 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #743 2 days 4 hr ago) |
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| 13:52 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 13:53 | mtompset | how transportable are translation files from one version to the next? |
| 13:53 | jcamins | mtompset: it varies. |
| 13:53 | * Oak | waves back |
| 13:53 | mtompset | based on version, or language? |
| 13:53 | jcamins | Within the stable branches, there probably won't be many changes from version to version. |
| 13:54 | From 3.8 to 3.10 (for example), expect big changes. | |
| 13:54 | sekjal | okay, time for a meeting; later, #koha |
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| 13:55 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #751: STILL FAILING in 7 min 31 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/751/ |
| 13:55 | * ian.walls: Talking Tech Support - Phase I | |
| 13:55 | * kyle: Talking Tech Support - Phase I - Followup - Fix Messaging Preferences | |
| 13:55 | * kyle: Talking Tech Support - Phase I - Followup 2 - Bugfix | |
| 13:55 | * kyle: Talking Tech Support - Phase I - Followup 3 - Follow PBP | |
| 13:55 | * paul.poulain: Bug 4246 Follow-up updatedatabase | |
| 13:55 | * paul.poulain: Revert "Subroutine prototypes used at line XXX, column 1. See page 194 of PBP." | |
| 13:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4246 enhancement, P4, ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Master , Koha support for Itiva Talking Tech phone notification service |
| 13:56 | jcamins | If someone wanted to sign off on the bug 8092 follow-up, we could cheer up Jenkins. |
| 13:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Koha should use CHI caching framework |
| 13:58 | jcamins | Has anyone set up nginx for serving Koha's static content? |
| 13:59 | * Oak | goes to wiki to search nginx |
| 14:00 | bencahill | Yay! |
| 14:00 | jcamins | Oak: the example of using nginx that I found forwarded all requests to Apache. |
| 14:00 | * bencahill | just ran a 17:36 (2mi) |
| 14:01 | Oak | :( oho |
| 14:02 | bencahill: now clean sweat from the keyboard | |
| 14:02 | bencahill | Oak: ;) |
| 14:03 | Oak | jcamins: i'll learn about it how to do it then report :) |
| 14:03 | jcamins | Yay! |
| 14:03 | Oak++ | |
| 14:03 | Oak | gracias gracias |
| 14:04 | bencahill | jcamins: Hey, we got a computer with an i3-2120 (although not the one for the server), and tried koha installed in a Wubi thing...it's awesome fast! (everything we tested under 1sec) :) |
| 14:04 | * bencahill | doesn't know how to describe a Wubi install... |
| 14:04 | paul_p | wow... 46 patches to QA... |
| 14:05 | yesterday it was less than 10 ! | |
| 14:05 | hdl1 | jcamins: http://korben.info/configurer-[…]everse-proxy.html |
| 14:05 | eythian | jcamins: fwiw, I'm working on packaging CHI right now |
| 14:05 | jcamins | eythian: :D |
| 14:05 | * eythian | has produced 10 new dependencies today, though most of them are for solr |
| 14:07 | jcamins | eythian: http://apt.cpbibliography.com/[…]ry-amd64/Packages <-- the dependencies I have packaged for quick deployment on my servers. |
| 14:07 | Hmm. | |
| 14:07 | Except for the ones that didn't make it onto my public apt repo yet. | |
| 14:09 | eythian | cgi::s::d::m is already in there, as is libgravatar-url-perl |
| 14:09 | the others I haven't needed yet. | |
| 14:10 | jcamins | eythian: yeah, they're not all direct Koha dependencies. |
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| 14:14 | oleonard | Did anyone take pictures at the hackfest? |
| 14:14 | dpavlin | I finally managed to track down all edge cases for bug 8180 and bug 8183 which are last two "hard" bugs that we know of to make plack work. |
| 14:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8180 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , cataloguing/additem.pl plack scoping |
| 14:14 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8183 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , acqui/parcels.pl plack scoping | |
| 14:14 | dpavlin | there are few more kittens waiting to be rescured for those two :-) |
| 14:16 | * oleonard | wonders if he's supposed to be seeing some clever icon under the "kittens saved" column http://scoreboard.koha-community.org/ |
| 14:17 | only sees "invalid character" squares | |
| 14:17 | rangi | using a mac? |
| 14:17 | oleonard | PC |
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| 14:17 | rangi | its a unicode char, most things support it |
| 14:17 | some don't | |
| 14:18 | macs are notable for their bad unicode support, but normally it works for windows | |
| 14:18 | oleonard | Strange |
| 14:18 | eythian | Maybe you're using some odd default font |
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| 14:18 | wizzyrea | hm I don't see a kitten there either |
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| 14:19 | paul_p | alex_a = if you want to signoff bug 8180 and 8183, you'll be thanked ;-) |
| 14:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8180 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , cataloguing/additem.pl plack scoping |
| 14:19 | eythian | wizzyrea: because you're on OSX |
| 14:19 | * paul_p | QAing non biblibre patches now... |
| 14:20 | * wizzyrea | tries to think of something clever, gives up. |
| 14:20 | mgeist | lol |
| 14:21 | rangi | apple hates kittens |
| 14:21 | and freedom | |
| 14:21 | drojf | damn apple |
| 14:21 | rangi | and free kittens most of all |
| 14:21 | drojf | they probably have a kitten jail somewhere in china |
| 14:22 | mgeist | Some stray kittens, i think from the neighbor's, invaded my mom's van this weekend. She left the windows open... |
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| 14:23 | clrh | kyleh_: you put things about namespace that we show in every rfc pages :)http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]hEngine_Layer_RFC http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Discharge_RFC I think you edit the template |
| 14:28 | jcamins | clrh: so what's step one on bug 8233? |
| 14:28 | alex_a | paul_p: Okay! |
| 14:28 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8233 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , New search engine layer - introduce solr without breaking anything else |
| 14:28 | mtompset | apple hates kittens? |
| 14:28 | jcamins | And freedom. |
| 14:28 | slef | apple hates everyone |
| 14:29 | jcamins | And ugly computer hardware. |
| 14:29 | And two button mice. | |
| 14:30 | * jcamins | looks forward to signing off on things that centralize the interface to Zebra. |
| 14:30 | clrh | jcamins: next step is to provide a patch :) |
| 14:30 | I on it | |
| 14:30 | :) | |
| 14:31 | slef | did cait just kill a kitten? |
| 14:31 | clrh | break nothing but adds syspref and conf and opac simple search |
| 14:31 | rangi: had installed it pon his laptop http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]hEngine_Layer_RFC | |
| 14:31 | mtompset | I think paul_p resurrected the kitten cait killed. ;) |
| 14:31 | * cait | doesn't kill kittens |
| 14:31 | slef | cait: you sounded anguished! |
| 14:32 | cait | no |
| 14:32 | jcamins | clrh: yay! That's the step I wanted! |
| 14:32 | mtompset | Well, if fixing a bug is saving a kitten, then what is introducing one? |
| 14:32 | cait | but mrenvoize has one kitten more than me!! |
| 14:32 | and I am trying to catch up.... :) | |
| 14:32 | stupid flu1 | |
| 14:32 | jcamins | Argh! Both of you have more kittens saved than me! |
| 14:32 | cait | hurry on :P |
| 14:32 | jcamins | Everyone is passing me by! |
| 14:32 | Unfair! | |
| 14:32 | mtompset | Hey, I didn't save any kittens. I hate cats. :P |
| 14:33 | cait | jcamins: perhaps it's because you are not fast enough? ;) |
| 14:34 | jcamins | cait: apparently so. :P |
| 14:35 | * drojf | was hoping to see jcamins win the bottle of wine for most kittens so he would have to get to edinburgh to get it |
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| 14:35 | rangi | new kitten photo |
| 14:36 | wizzyrea | oh cool, collection codes in statistics table. Nice one. |
| 14:37 | jcamins | drojf: lol |
| 14:37 | dpavlin++ | |
| 14:37 | slef | drojf: you are a very cruel person :) |
| 14:37 | jcamins | The second is still my favorite. |
| 14:37 | slef | I think magnuse offered some troll or something |
| 14:38 | alex_a | dpavlin: for bug 8180. When you say item.barcode must be used in framework, you mean autoBarcode syspref ? |
| 14:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8180 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , cataloguing/additem.pl plack scoping |
| 14:39 | dpavlin | alex_a: yap. sorry if message wasn't too clear, I tried to translate what Marijana told me :-) |
| 14:40 | and you have to have barcode field on this screen to trigger problem. I *think* that is a framework config if I'm not mistaken. | |
| 14:41 | alex_a++ I'm painfully aware that they are hard to reproduce, it took me most of day to track down why I'm seeing them and nobody else does | |
| 14:42 | alex_a | dpavlin: thx |
| 14:48 | rangi | paul_p: can you push the last patch on 8092 please? to make jenkins happy |
| 14:49 | paul_p | rangi yep, will do just after failing QA the 6175 i'm QAing |
| 14:49 | jcamins | Bug 6175 |
| 14:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6175 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Mismatch between marc_subfield_structure and authorised_values tables |
| 14:55 | rangi | thanks |
| 14:57 | dpavlin | want to try koha with plack? Bug 7844 might help... Hopefully it's now clean enough to make it work for everyone (thanks to rangi++ for last few nit-picks) |
| 14:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7844 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , plack scripts for developers |
| 14:57 | paul_p | rangi = bug 8092 pushed |
| 14:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha should use CHI caching framework |
| 14:57 | jcamins | Yay! |
| 14:57 | rangi | sweet thanks paul_p |
| 14:57 | mtompset | is there a number at which 3.6 will be cut off and 3.10 introduced? |
| 14:58 | rangi | and this kohacon we have sign offs from 2 couples, bob and irma and dobrica and marijana |
| 14:58 | cait | :) |
| 14:58 | rangi | mtompset: not a number, a time |
| 14:58 | mtompset | eg 3.2.10, 3.4.11, 3.6.? |
| 14:58 | rangi | no we do timebased releases |
| 14:58 | paul_p | next KohaCon i'll come with my wife ;-) |
| 14:58 | jcamins | rangi: and Shari and Jared. :) |
| 14:59 | paul_p | (she's a mid-wife, we will have a lot of fun teaching her all those things ;-) ) |
| 14:59 | rangi | oh yes! |
| 14:59 | 3 | |
| 14:59 | http://koha-community.org/about/release-schedule/ | |
| 15:01 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8092' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]60e830059aef1381e> / Bug 8092: Cheer up Jenkins on loading Cache modules <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5d655dbf60cf6e61d> / Bug 7411: Remove diacritics from generated userid <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]p=koha.git;a=comm |
| 15:01 | dpavlin | jcamins++ Now it's time for me to take a look where else could I insert CHI into. |
| 15:01 | mtompset | thanks, rangi. :) |
| 15:02 | alex_a | dpavlin: i have Plugin:barcode.pl linked to my barcode field and i use autoBarcode. But can't reproduce :( |
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| 15:02 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #752 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #743 2 days 5 hr ago) |
| 15:04 | tcohen | is there an image depicting main opac page blocks? |
| 15:05 | (divs) | |
| 15:07 | oleonard | tcohen: There is an image depicting the customizable regions |
| 15:07 | slef | bye everyone |
| 15:07 | mtompset | Bye, slef. |
| 15:07 | tcohen | bye slef |
| 15:07 | mtompset | I'm taking off too. |
| 15:08 | Bye, #koha folks. | |
| 15:08 | oleonard | tcohen: A version of it is attached to Bug 3708 |
| 15:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3708 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Add another customizable region to the OPAC: right sidebar |
| 15:08 | oleonard | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]hment.cgi?id=1529 |
| 15:08 | tcohen | thanks oleonard |
| 15:08 | i was hoping to get it from your blog | |
| 15:08 | but couldn't find it there :D | |
| 15:08 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #752: STILL FAILING in 6 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/752/ |
| 15:08 | * kyle: Bug 8004 - Items on Hold Lose Transfer After Being Scanned Twice | |
| 15:08 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7411: Remove diacritics from generated userid | |
| 15:09 | * jcamins: Bug 8092: Cheer up Jenkins on loading Cache modules | |
| 15:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8004 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Items on Hold Lose Transfer After Being Scanned Twice |
| 15:09 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7411 normal, P3, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , remove diacritics when automatically generating userid | |
| 15:09 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha should use CHI caching framework | |
| 15:09 | jcamins | What do you mean still failing? |
| 15:09 | dpavlin | jcamins: Q: would you mind if I inserted some statistic counters in Koha::Cache so we can see how much is it helping? |
| 15:09 | mtompset | oleonard, is there something similar for the staff client? |
| 15:09 | jcamins | Ah, nothing to do with CHI. |
| 15:09 | dpavlin: not at all! | |
| 15:09 | eythian | jcamins: you might want to have a look at bug 8235 some time, it'll make packaging a little bit nicer. |
| 15:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8235 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Packaging scripts get upset with non-Debian perl modules |
| 15:10 | jcamins | Hm. I will do that when I can. |
| 15:10 | oleonard | mtompset: Similar regions don't exist to that extent in the staff client |
| 15:11 | mtompset | Hence my problem with CSS and not being able to over-ride things. :P |
| 15:11 | oleonard | mtompset: I don't think a diagram would help you with that |
| 15:11 | mtompset | Yes, but perhaps I'm coding something wrong. |
| 15:11 | A diagram would at least inform me of that. | |
| 15:11 | oleonard | tcohen: The original of that diagram is attached to this post: http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=160 under the "Avenues of Customization" heading |
| 15:12 | mtompset: What problem are you having? | |
| 15:12 | mtompset | For example, #doc3 { margin: auto 10px } |
| 15:12 | or something similar... I'm going from memory. | |
| 15:12 | Trying to put a nice border around the page. | |
| 15:13 | oleonard | mtompset: That's part of the gride framework: http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/grids/ |
| 15:13 | mtompset | Right... my attempt made everything look nice, except for #doc3 section. |
| 15:14 | dpavlin | oleonard: what do you think about Bug 1918? Does it make sense to work on this a bit more? [BTW, we miss you here ;-)] |
| 15:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1918 enhancement, P3, ---, dpavlin, In Discussion , Minify JavaScript and CSS |
| 15:14 | oleonard | dpavlin: I still think it's a good idea |
| 15:14 | dpavlin: And I'm sorry to have missed you all | |
| 15:15 | dpavlin | cool. Since we didn't have a dalik attack this week, I think I'll me able to work on in a bit more in next few days. |
| 15:15 | mtompset | Anyways... I'll be back tomorrow. Have a great day, everyone. :) |
| 15:16 | * oleonard | doesn't like vague complaints without specific examples |
| 15:19 | * jcamins | curses the IRS. |
| 15:22 | wizzyrea | lol - wow, libraries and hot-rods - http://feedproxy.google.com/~r[…]-the-hot-rod.html |
| 15:22 | no, it's not a joke. | |
| 15:22 | rangi | heh |
| 15:23 | maybe not an intentional one :) | |
| 15:25 | mveron | matts: http://paste.koha-community.org/443 |
| 15:25 | * jcamins | curses the IRS again. |
| 15:27 | oleonard | New dependency? |
| 15:28 | * jcamins | curses bureaucracy. |
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| 15:42 | jcamins | Blarglarglebargleaaaaaaaaaggggghhhhhhhh! |
| 15:43 | eythian | is that your final answer? |
| 15:44 | * jwagner | gives jcamins a stiff drink regardless |
| 15:45 | * hdl1 | too |
| 15:45 | hdl1 | And big whiskey |
| 15:45 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 15:45 | * jcamins | bangs his head against the table a bit more. |
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| 15:48 | mveron | Just did Git pull, have now Software Error / Can't locate Text/Unaccent.pm in @INC |
| 15:48 | * oleonard | holds jcamins' beverage for him so it doesn't spill |
| 15:48 | jcamins | oleonard: thanks. |
| 15:49 | rangi | 250 kittens |
| 15:49 | jcamins | mveron: yeah, jenkins was complaining too. |
| 15:49 | Not sure what that's about. | |
| 15:49 | * oleonard | assumed "sudo apt-get install libtext-unaccent-perl" was the solution |
| 15:50 | cait | 250 kittens! yay! |
| 15:50 | jcamins | oleonard: that would make sense. :) |
| 15:50 | * jcamins | didn't actually look. |
| 15:50 | mveron | Works, thanks! |
| 15:51 | jcamins | Just saw the complaint from jenkins, and went went back to cursing bureaucracy, tax laws, and the legal definition of "disregarded entity" (or lack thereof!). |
| 15:51 | oleonard | Sees it was Bug 7411 |
| 15:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7411 normal, P3, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , remove diacritics when automatically generating userid |
| 15:51 | rangi | yep, it was just introduced |
| 15:53 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #753 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #743 2 days 6 hr ago) |
| 15:53 | dpavlin | 7411 did introduce a change to install_misc/debian.packages wasn't that sufficient? |
| 15:53 | oleonard | dpavlin: I think the problem is only faced by those running off of git |
| 15:54 | * cait | is guilty of that one |
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| 15:57 | mle_mac | boom! |
| 15:57 | http://archive.org/details/Koh[…]AllAboutThePeople first video uploaded. rangi please check details. | |
| 15:59 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #753: STILL FAILING in 6 min 46 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/753/ |
| 16:00 | jcamins | Uhhh... what? |
| 16:00 | Oh. | |
| 16:00 | rangi: you need to install libcache-memcached-perl on jenkins. | |
| 16:01 | rangi | hmm ok |
| 16:01 | jcamins | How was it working before? |
| 16:01 | drojf | mle_mac: nice, let's kill the university wifi and everybody download the video |
| 16:01 | rangi | its now a hard dependency? |
| 16:01 | jcamins | I didn't add that. |
| 16:01 | oleonard | Hey there are a couple of simple patches still awaiting signoff on Bug 7500. Just sayin'. |
| 16:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7500 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Use CSS Sprites for faster page loading |
| 16:02 | mle_mac | droif: maybe, its 100Mbs dl so maybe not |
| 16:02 | jcamins | It is if you want to use caching. |
| 16:02 | mveron | Who takes care of the timeline in Home › About Koha? Table does not display well, sometimes the date is together with the Description, e.g. December 6 2011 Martin Renvoize |
| 16:02 | rangi | mle_mac: looks fine to me |
| 16:02 | drojf | mle_mac: its slower now than in my guest house |
| 16:02 | rangi | mveron: i think that happens when someone puts spaces instead of tabs in the history.txt file |
| 16:03 | mle_mac | droif: : ( |
| 16:03 | rangi | the timeline is drawn from the history.txt file |
| 16:03 | mveron | rangi: Just had a look at the file, seems to be true |
| 16:04 | mle_mac | droif: We are using the backup plan. The plan was to have our own cat5 socket, but unfortunately the nearest one is in the library bar. they weren't too keen on my danglign cat5 cables out of the window and *they* were confident that the wifi would cope. ; / |
| 16:04 | rangi | yep,it's a tab separated file but i think people sometimes accidentally use spaces |
| 16:05 | cait | mle_mac: I think it worked nicely :) |
| 16:05 | drojf | mle_mac: it's alright, we have seen it live |
| 16:05 | mle_mac | hehe |
| 16:05 | shoudl i update the wiki? | |
| 16:05 | cait | mle_mac: I don't think we were using up a lot of bandwidth bug squashing |
| 16:07 | mrenvoize | trust my name to cause issues with the timeline :p |
| 16:08 | cait | heh |
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| 16:10 | mveron | Should I file a bug regarding the tmeline? |
| 16:13 | rangi | ah yes, fast |
| 16:13 | thats new | |
| 16:13 | it used to be just Cache::Memcached | |
| 16:14 | cait | mveron: you could file a bug and send a patch :) |
| 16:14 | rangi | now its Cached::Memcached::Fast it wants |
| 16:14 | cait | mveron: is there any chocolate left? ;) |
| 16:15 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #754 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #743 2 days 6 hr ago) |
| 16:17 | cait | packing up - cya all later I hope! |
| 16:19 | wizzyrea | question, where did the icons for the home page come from? |
| 16:19 | did someone at biblibre do them special for koha? | |
| 16:19 | or are they from an icon set? | |
| 16:19 | bencahill | wizzyrea: I don't have them off hand, but do a tineye.com search. |
| 16:20 | wizzyrea | bencahill++ thanks |
| 16:20 | bencahill | :) np |
| 16:20 | wizzyrea | I didn't know about tineye |
| 16:20 | that is super sweet. | |
| 16:20 | bencahill | yep |
| 16:20 | I use it pretty often :P | |
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| 16:21 | oleonard | They're from a set wizzyrea |
| 16:21 | matts | time to go ! |
| 16:21 | asaurat | good bye and see you all very soon |
| 16:21 | matts | bye #koha ! |
| 16:22 | As tweeted, this kohaconahackfestpubdrinks12 was really great ! | |
| 16:22 | asaurat | we now have some England soccer fans to taunt |
| 16:23 | mveron | Bug 8237 - HTML-table in timeline broken |
| 16:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8237 major, P5 - low, ---, nengard, NEW , HTML-table in timeline broken |
| 16:24 | wizzyrea | oleonard: any idea where they came from? I'd like to give the circ page a similar treatment |
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| 16:24 | wizzyrea | and I have some ideas about what type of icons they would have |
| 16:24 | but… don' tknow if they exist | |
| 16:25 | oleonard | wizzyrea: I remember gaetan showing me, but now I can't remember |
| 16:25 | * oleonard | is trying to find it |
| 16:26 | wizzyrea | ah cool, maybe it's in the IRC logs? |
| 16:26 | oleonard | Maybe |
| 16:27 | jcamins | Woohoo! |
| 16:27 | My accountant fixed everything! | |
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| 16:28 | jcamins | Okay, not everything. |
| 16:28 | wahanui | not everything is possible; do things the right way, and you'll be safe. :) |
| 16:28 | jcamins | Right. |
| 16:31 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7952 - PDF::Reuse under plack writes to console STDOUT instead to browser <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3bc27b43fbaf51298> / Bug 7810 - C4/Auth.pm - on plack restart session is undefined <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6491ea0008ae9694f> / Bug 7444: Update circ/circulation.pl to use KohaDates TT Plugin <http |
| 16:33 | oleonard | wizzyrea: We should have been looking at the about page! |
| 16:34 | http://thenounproject.com/ | |
| 16:35 | wizzyrea | lol. |
| 16:35 | of course. | |
| 16:37 | jcamins | Why are we looking at that page? |
| 16:38 | oleonard | jcamins: To find that link |
| 16:39 | * jcamins | is confused. |
| 16:39 | wizzyrea | http://thenounproject.com/noun/inbox/#icon-No406 checkin? |
| 16:39 | jcamins | Ohh. |
| 16:39 | Homepage = in Koha, not k-c.org. | |
| 16:40 | oleonard | wizzyrea: We use something like that elsewhere to mean "receive" I think |
| 16:40 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 16:40 | oleonard | Not sure if that is a big deal or not |
| 16:41 | Circulation rules? http://thenounproject.com/noun[…]ress/#icon-No1760 | |
| 16:42 | wizzyrea | checkout: http://thenounproject.com/noun/upload/#icon-No909 (technically, upload?) |
| 16:42 | lol. | |
| 16:42 | if that were a book | |
| 16:42 | it would be perfect | |
| 16:43 | http://thenounproject.com/noun[…]load/#icon-No2080 (checkin) | |
| 16:44 | might be able to do something with one of these books: http://thenounproject.com/noun/book/#icon-No2051 | |
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| 16:47 | jcamins | rangi: yes, we switched to Cache::Memcached::Fast after you sent me a link saying "Cache::Memcached can't handle UTF-8." |
| 16:47 | They should be provided by the same package, though. | |
| 16:49 | wizzyrea | transfer: http://thenounproject.com/noun/sync/#icon-No290 |
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| 17:04 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #754: NOW UNSTABLE in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/754/ |
| 17:05 | Starting build #755 for job Koha_master (previous build: NOW UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #743 2 days 7 hr ago) | |
| 17:07 | jcamins | rangi: any idea why 00-testcritic.t is unhappy? |
| 17:08 | It passes for me. | |
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| 17:56 | * oleonard: Bug 8171 - Improper escaping of quotes during z39.50 queries leads to broken html | |
| 17:56 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 7941 : Fix version numbers in modules | |
| 17:57 | * meenakshi.r: Bug 7570 - Add Item availability status to cart. | |
| 17:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8171 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Improper escaping of quotes during z39.50 queries leads to broken html |
| 17:57 | jenkins_koha | * paul.poulain: [PATCH] [SIGNED-OFF] bug 7570: add a space to the table header |
| 17:57 | * koha.sekjal: Bug 7444: Update circ/circulation.pl to use KohaDates TT Plugin | |
| 17:57 | * dpavlin: Bug 7810 - C4/Auth.pm - on plack restart session is undefined | |
| 17:57 | * dpavlin: Bug 7952 - PDF::Reuse under plack writes to console STDOUT instead to browser | |
| 17:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7941 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Fix version numbers in modules and set up a system to keep them up to date |
| 17:57 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7570 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, meenakshi.r, Pushed to Master , Add Item availability status to cart | |
| 17:57 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7444 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Use T::T date plugin to display dates omnibus | |
| 17:57 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7810 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , C4/Auth.pm - on plack restart session is undefined | |
| 17:57 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7952 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , PDF::Reuse under plack writes to console STDOUT instead to browser | |
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| 18:42 | libsysguy | Notices Question: What if, instead of a traditional form for notices we make it more of a fill in the blank sentence. Ex for overdue: "(x) days (after) [date_due] for (occurences) times on interval (z)" |
| 18:43 | jcamins | Uhhh... huh? |
| 18:43 | * jcamins | tests nginx. |
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| 18:43 | libsysguy | well in a traditional form I think it could be confusing to fill out notices |
| 18:44 | but I thought it might make more sence in a sentence | |
| 18:44 | * libsysguy | pities jcamins for testing nginx |
| 18:45 | jcamins | Oh, you mean when setting which notices to send when. |
| 18:45 | libsysguy | exactly |
| 18:45 | jcamins | That makes sense. |
| 18:45 | libsysguy | sweet |
| 18:45 | oleonard | What makes sense in English may not make sense in another language |
| 18:45 | libsysguy | touche oleonard |
| 18:46 | jcamins | Wow! |
| 18:46 | libsysguy | i guess you could make the form a questionaire |
| 18:46 | jcamins ? | |
| 18:46 | wahanui | jcamins is A-Grade developper on Koha willing to rewrite it from top to bottom. Good Luck jcamins |
| 18:46 | libsysguy | heh |
| 18:47 | jcamins | Load time with nginx: 4.42s. |
| 18:47 | Load time without nginx: 21.11s! | |
| 18:47 | libsysguy | 0_0 |
| 18:47 | jcamins | Freaking Apache. |
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| 18:47 | libsysguy | im just going to insert this here http://wiki.catalystframework.[…]atalyst_and_nginx |
| 18:48 | sekjal | jcamins: what are you loading? |
| 18:48 | jcamins | sekjal: opac-main.pl. |
| 18:48 | I wanted to confirm nginx was working. | |
| 18:48 | sekjal | 21.11s... oof |
| 18:48 | jcamins | Yep. |
| 18:49 | And most of that time is spent *downloading jQuery*. | |
| 18:49 | Again. | |
| 18:49 | And again. | |
| 18:49 | And again. | |
| 18:49 | And... | |
| 18:49 | Do you see a theme here? | |
| 18:49 | libsysguy | infinate recursion |
| 18:49 | sekjal | is it not caching? |
| 18:49 | libsysguy | recursive jquery is recursive |
| 18:49 | jcamins | sekjal: not with Apache. |
| 18:50 | I just use the default koha-httpd.conf. | |
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| 18:50 | jcamins | Possibly this is a mistake. |
| 18:50 | sekjal | shouldn't it cache in the user's browser? |
| 18:50 | jcamins | It should, yes. |
| 18:51 | But the default Apache config doesn't have it doing that. | |
| 18:53 | sekjal | jcamins: my browser is caching most of the css and js, and pageloads are in the 2s range (with Apache) |
| 18:55 | jcamins | sekjal: the configuration for package installs seems to work, but the default configuration on git (!) does not? |
| 18:55 | (where work = cache stuff) | |
| 18:56 | Interesting. | |
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| 18:57 | sekjal | jcamins: I'm on a git install, and I'm just not seeing the slowness you are. there's got to be more to the story... |
| 18:58 | jcamins | sekjal: it doesn't _feel_ that slow to me, but I'm looking at the Network tab in Chrome, and it tells me that menu-min.js and jquery.js take about 16s to load. |
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| 18:59 | sekjal | jcamins: are they loading from the same place as everything else? |
| 19:00 | jcamins | They are indeed. |
| 19:00 | sekjal | huh |
| 19:00 | jcamins | /opac-tmpl/prog/en/lib/... |
| 19:00 | Very peculiar. | |
| 19:01 | sekjal | I'm getting 16ms and 20ms respectively, and once they're downloaded, my browser caches them. |
| 19:01 | * sekjal | is using FF on Ubuntu, with Firebug |
| 19:02 | * jcamins | will see what FF says. |
| 19:02 | jcamins | Could be a Chrome issue. |
| 19:04 | * jcamins | falls asleep. |
| 19:04 | jcamins | Nope. |
| 19:05 | Those two are a serious problem for Apache. | |
| 19:05 | sekjal | huh, not seeing the problem on Chromium |
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| 19:06 | jcamins | No, I have the exact same problem in FF, so clearly it's not a browser-specific thing. |
| 19:06 | Oh well. | |
| 19:07 | On FF the difference is even more pronounced because I didn't clear my cache first: 779ms vs 24.54s. | |
| 19:08 | smeagol | Hi all..where is the code for a.yuimenuitemlabel kept, in Koha? |
| 19:09 | Oak | night guys |
| 19:10 | sekjal | jcamins: must be something on the server end, most likely with either your Apache settings, or perhaps the file system |
| 19:10 | oleonard | smeagol: Do you mean CSS? |
| 19:10 | libsysguy | smeagol it's in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/css/staff-global.css but you should really override it from sysprefs |
| 19:11 | sekjal | next step is to replicate on a separate install |
| 19:11 | jcamins | sekjal: since none of my actual servers have the problem, I think I'll just ignore it. |
| 19:12 | (the server that's slow is my dev VM)( | |
| 19:12 | *) | |
| 19:28 | * jcamins | concludes definitively that nginx may or may not make sense in his situation. |
| 19:29 | * wizzyrea | boggles |
| 19:29 | jcamins | wizzyrea: do you disagree? :P |
| 19:29 | wizzyrea | I cannot agree or disagree with an assertion that has or hasn't been made. |
| 19:29 | jcamins | :D |
| 19:29 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 19:30 | something like this for fast add? | |
| 19:30 | http://screencast.com/t/hwA0byVJVb | |
| 19:30 | jcamins | You know where it would make sense? |
| 19:30 | If it were caching image results. | |
| 19:30 | That would make sense. | |
| 19:30 | Looks good to me. | |
| 19:32 | sekjal | wizzyrea: neat! |
| 19:32 | wizzyrea | I wish it said "fast" to me more. >.> |
| 19:33 | oleonard | Like with a lightning bolt? |
| 19:33 | sekjal | oleonard: oh, that's way better than my idea |
| 19:35 | wizzyrea | ooh |
| 19:39 | * wizzyrea | wonders what sekjal's idea was |
| 19:39 | sekjal | oh, just slanting the book in one direction, and putting some parallel lines after it to indicate motion |
| 19:39 | * wizzyrea | will try that too |
| 19:43 | oleonard | Has anyone else tested hold limits in master lately? |
| 19:46 | Which is to say, I believe that hold limits are broken in master. completely broken. Wondering if anyone else has found it to be so. | |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | i haven't |
| 19:46 | I think they are too, I've heard that through the grapevine | |
| 19:47 | a tiny slant makes it seem quicker to me :P http://screencast.com/t/HBtlVjYyD | |
| 19:48 | * jcamins | likes it. |
| 19:54 | libsysguy | on a dev install should I ever have to run the installer again |
| 19:54 | or can i just do a fetch and rebase all the time | |
| 19:54 | sekjal | libsysguy: it's only really necessary if any of the install configs change, and you don't want to migrate them manually |
| 19:55 | Zebra configs are a big one there, but you can just symlink those once and be done | |
| 19:55 | libsysguy | ok cool |
| 19:55 | that is what I was thinking | |
| 19:55 | I have something weird happening with suggestions | |
| 19:56 | i am running 3.09.013 and suggestions are missing some of the tabs | |
| 19:56 | but they have been missing for awhile | |
| 19:57 | but I can see they are there on bywater's demo of master | |
| 19:57 | jcamins | Check the demo is up to date? |
| 19:57 | libsysguy | its not |
| 19:58 | but i was on 3.08 before my update (what they are on now) and it was still broken | |
| 19:58 | jcamins | head.bikat.no is your best bet. |
| 19:59 | oleonard | http://head.bibkat.no/ |
| 19:59 | wahanui | http://head.bibkat.no/ is, like, now definitely running 3.8.0 :-) |
| 19:59 | jcamins | I'm pretty sure it's on 3.9.something. |
| 20:00 | oleonard | <meta name="generator" content="Koha 3.0900013" /> |
| 20:01 | * oleonard | is gonna troll everyone by changing that tag to read "<META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="FrontPage 1.0">" |
| 20:01 | libsysguy | heh |
| 20:01 | oleonard TROLOLOLOL | |
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| 20:02 | mbalmer | back home |
| 20:03 | wizzyrea | something like this for "Transfer?" http://screencast.com/t/Q2YQS21khm |
| 20:04 | oleonard | Seems like that won't scale down well enough |
| 20:04 | wizzyrea | yea, you're probably right |
| 20:06 | mbalmer | marc21 is probably a better name for a MARC21 data type in an SQL database, I think I'll rename it so. |
| 20:07 | jcamins | mbalmer: you're implementing separate MARC21 and UNIMARC data types? |
| 20:07 | I think a generic type would be preferable. | |
| 20:08 | mbalmer | that is what I am unsure of. need to find out more details. |
| 20:08 | jcamins | If you do MARC21 and UNIMARC, it means that someone would need to implement NORMARC. |
| 20:08 | And perhaps later on RUSMARC. | |
| 20:09 | mbalmer | for the "proof of concept" I just do plain MARC21, then I will figure out how to add the other marcs. |
| 20:09 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 20:09 | Fair enough. | |
| 20:09 | What makes it MARC21 versus UNIMARC? | |
| 20:09 | (i.e. are you adding any semantic functionality?) | |
| 20:09 | mbalmer | iirc, unimarc has 4 digit field tags. |
| 20:10 | marc21 has only 3 digits. | |
| 20:10 | jcamins | Nope. |
| 20:10 | Just 3 digit. | |
| 20:10 | sekjal | mbalmer: the only difference between MARC21 and UNIMARC is the semantic meaning of the fields. the structure (field, subfields and indicators) is the same |
| 20:10 | mbalmer | well, marc is a minefield anyway ;) |
| 20:11 | jcamins | It certainly is. |
| 20:12 | libsysguy | ^^ this |
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| 20:18 | mbalmer | sekjal, that is good news for me. since my work on extracts the fields, but does not interpret them. so maybe naming the whole thing marc21 is not a good idea. |
| 20:18 | maybe the datatype should only be marc, not marc21? | |
| 20:19 | sekjal | if you're not making any use of the meanings of the fields, or whether subfields are required/optional or unique/multiple |
| 20:19 | then that sounds good | |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | oleonard: http://screencast.com/t/ktW51Gyp instead? |
| 20:20 | mbalmer | no, I don't interpret the fields in any way. I just produce them from the binary record ( and might soon be able to set them, as well) |
| 20:21 | oleonard | wizzyrea: Maybe it doesn't need the bookmark? |
| 20:21 | wizzyrea | *nod* let me see if I can find a different book |
| 20:21 | jcamins | mbalmer: just make sure that you don't make any assumptions about the order of fields. |
| 20:22 | mbalmer | I don't. |
| 20:24 | wizzyrea | nm I just got rid of the bookmark :P |
| 20:24 | http://screencast.com/t/Zp01tZTAG | |
| 20:25 | sekjal | wizzyrea: is that for a fast book transfer.... |
| 20:25 | * sekjal | reads upwards to see that, yes, that was the context |
| 20:26 | * wizzyrea | is glad that you got it without context. |
| 20:26 | wizzyrea | I consider that winning. |
| 20:26 | just "transfer" really | |
| 20:26 | but I thought perhaps having two books next to each other, and one slanting and one not, might look odd. | |
| 20:26 | jcamins | Now _that_ is what I'm talking about! |
| 20:27 | 50% reduction in the length of time it takes to load the page! | |
| 20:28 | sekjal | okay, time for me to go. have a good night, all! |
| 20:28 | oleonard | Bye sekjal |
| 20:28 | wizzyrea | later sekjal |
| 20:31 | hmm. I could make all of these icons for circ "on books…" too much? | |
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| 20:31 | oleonard | Time for me to go too |
| 20:31 | wizzyrea | bye oleonard |
| 20:31 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
| 20:31 | nengard | just did a fetch and tried to install Text::Unaccent but it says it's not possible ? is this not the module I need? |
| 20:33 | Can't locate Text/Unaccent.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /home/nengard/kohaclone /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /home/nengard/kohaclone/C4/Members.pm line 41. | |
| 20:33 | wizzyrea | try sudo apt-get install libtext-unaccent-perl. |
| 20:33 | jcamins | nengard: you'll need to install Text::Unaccent. libtext-unaccent-perl |
| 20:34 | nengard | thanks liz that worked - cpan didn't |
| 20:34 | wizzyrea | :) np, happy to help |
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| 20:53 | * jcamins | rebases 497 patches. |
| 20:53 | jcamins | There has got to be a better way to do this. |
| 20:53 | Oh well. | |
| 20:53 | libsysguy | jcamins what are you rebasing for? |
| 20:54 | jcamins | libsysguy: I'm trying to remove a commit that wasn't the last. |
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| 20:54 | jcamins | Oooh! |
| 20:54 | I can use git revert for commits prior to the last. | |
| 20:54 | Thank goodness. | |
| 20:54 | libsysguy | haha yeahhh |
| 21:16 | jcamins | BTW, reverting a dozen commits from within the last 500 or so is *way* more pleasant than trying to rebase them out. |
| 21:17 | I always forget that git revert will cope with commits prior to the last. | |
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| 21:46 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Looking for someone to help me modify my KOHA query so it gives me the proper information on a report. Anyone available? (Eying Wizzyrea's name over there in the user column :D) |
| 21:51 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 21:52 | wizzyrea | sorry, I was away from my desk |
| 21:54 | YoungPublicLibrarian | no problem. I have the fines and fees query that you helped me with last time. I would like to add code to it that asks for a specific start and end date to pull the fines and fees from, but I'm not sure what to add or where. |
| 21:57 | jcamins | I think James may have just asked for help with that report. |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | what do you have so far? |
| 22:00 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Should I just paste the report into here? |
| 22:02 | jcamins | paste.koha-community.org |
| 22:03 | pastebot | "YoungPublicLibrarian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "SELECT b.surname, b.firstname," (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/444 |
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| 22:05 | drojf | hello again |
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| 22:33 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Did that work? |
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| 23:07 | jcamins | Yay! My release-tool script now tees its subcommands' output to stdout when --verbose is specified! |
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| 23:09 | * jcamins | supposes that fork() will be involved if he wants to tee the output to the tests. |
| 23:21 | jcamins | papa: do I need to use some module in order to use wait? |
| 23:22 | use POSIX? | |
| 23:22 | * jcamins | tries. |
| 23:22 | papa | I don't think so |
| 23:22 | I think it is core | |
| 23:22 | YoungPublicLibrarian | Wizzyrea, are you still here or did something come up? Thanks |
| 23:22 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 23:23 | papa | the idea of perl was to replace sh/sed/awk, so everything these provide should be in core |
| 23:27 | jcamins | Well, waitpid works. |
| 23:29 | papa | ah, sorry, I was thinking sleep |
| 23:29 | * papa | hides |
| 23:29 | jcamins | No worries. I figured it out. :) |
| 23:29 | Well, sort of. | |
| 23:29 | papa | but fork and wait should be core as well |
| 23:31 | jcamins | I think maybe wait is either new or old. |
| 23:31 | Or not a regular function. | |
| 23:32 | papa | perldoc -f wait |
| 23:32 | jcamins | However, since waitpid works, and I just teed the output of the tests, I'm satisfied. |
| 23:32 | papa | then you win :) |
| 23:32 | jcamins | :) |
| 23:33 | * jcamins | calls it a day. :) |
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