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| 00:01 | rangi | @quote get 207 |
| 00:01 | huginn` | rangi: Quote #207: "< eythian> It's OK, we can implement the RDA support in Perl 6." (added by chrisc at 12:00 AM, May 29, 2012) |
| 00:01 | rangi | RDA? |
| 00:01 | wahanui | RDA is a room in a twisty maze of standards |
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| 01:59 | rangi | heya jransom |
| 02:02 | jransom | heya Chris |
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| 02:34 | chris_n | hi paul_p |
| 02:34 | paul_p | hi chris_n |
| 02:34 | rangi | go to sleep! |
| 02:34 | paul_p | (&others) |
| 02:34 | rangi | :) |
| 02:34 | paul_p | and it's rangi who says that :D :D |
| 02:34 | rangi | hehe |
| 02:34 | did you see i switched on french and german for bugzilla? | |
| 02:34 | paul_p | nice to have bugzilla in french. |
| 02:35 | rangi | :) |
| 02:37 | * chris_n | wonders where sleep is |
| 02:38 | is busy trying to figure out how to monitor individual client bandwidth usage on a wireless ap | |
| 02:39 | rangi | hmm |
| 02:39 | eythian | chris_n: one moment |
| 02:39 | http://www.kallisti.net.nz/blo[…]oring-on-openwrt/ <-- I did this quite a while ago, but it should still mostly be useful | |
| 02:40 | * chris_n | looks |
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| 02:40 | chris_n | i was looking at wrtbwmon |
| 02:42 | eythian: I'll give that a whirl, thanks | |
| 02:42 | eythian | cool |
| 02:42 | chris_n | somebody is being a hog; so I'm tasked with finding out who :-) |
| 02:43 | rangi | its probably eythian |
| 02:43 | eythian | I had a flatmate who asked me to find that out. |
| 02:43 | It turned out to be her | |
| 02:43 | rangi | heh |
| 02:43 | chris_n | lol |
| 02:43 | eythian | not capping her uploads on bittorrent |
| 02:43 | ibeardslee | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S26-UZbxPqM |
| 02:46 | rangi | speaking of split enz, i have a nice crowded house pinot noir im bringing over for kohacon |
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| 03:37 | paul_p | does anyone know how to do git commit --amend -s non interactively -ie: without opening the editor- ? |
| 03:38 | adding -m "message" does the trick, but replace the commit message, and I just want to add the signoff | |
| 03:41 | rangi | you can use -C |
| 03:41 | eg | |
| 03:41 | git commit --amend -s -C 81ff5ed221020315c4852b6c17f7967159a86566 | |
| 03:42 | where the sha is the commit im amending, -C == --reuse-message | |
| 03:42 | so i could write | |
| 03:42 | git commit --amend -s --reuse-message=81ff5ed221020315c4852b6c17f7967159a86566 | |
| 03:43 | paul_p | even better = git commit --amend -s --reuse-message=HEAD |
| 03:44 | rangi | yep, and way of referencing |
| 03:44 | any | |
| 03:44 | tags would work too, anyway way you can reference a commit | |
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| 03:54 | rangi | wb bshum |
| 03:54 | bshum | rangi: Thanks :) |
| 04:01 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #32 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 04:24 | Amit_Gupta | heya bag |
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| 04:30 | rangi | hi cait |
| 04:30 | cait | hi rangi :) |
| 04:31 | Amit_Gupta | heya cait, rangi |
| 04:31 | rangi | hi Amit_Gupta |
| 04:32 | cait | hi Amit_Gupta |
| 04:36 | paul_p | yeah !!!!! bug 6473 signed off with a script (hacked version of WWW::Bugzilla to handle our specific statuses) !!!! |
| 04:36 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6473 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Signed Off , Test bug for Git-bz |
| 04:37 | rangi | cool |
| 04:37 | well done paul | |
| 04:37 | * paul_p | should be able to update sandbox providing signoff feature today ! |
| 04:38 | cait | paul_p: why are you awake? :) |
| 04:38 | paul_p | for now, it's time for breakfast ! |
| 04:38 | cait because i'm no sleeping anymore :D | |
| 04:38 | cait | that sounds like a good idea :) |
| 04:38 | paul_p | see you later |
| 04:39 | cait | later :) |
| 04:39 | rangi | cya |
| 04:40 | http://ranginui.github.com/git-achievements/ <-- it seems git log is by far my most used git command | |
| 04:56 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #32: SUCCESS in 54 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/32/ |
| 04:56 | oleonard: Bug 8122 - Add a link to new library group creation from empty groups message | |
| 04:56 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8122 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Add a link to new library group creation from empty groups message |
| 04:56 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #33 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 05:21 | Oak | \oia ora |
| 05:21 | *sigh* | |
| 05:21 | \o | |
| 05:21 | Guten morgen cait | |
| 05:21 | cait | hi Oak :) |
| 05:21 | Oak | :) |
| 05:27 | * eythian | goes to the pub for some "I'm going to Europe and it'll be summer there ha ha!" drinks with folks. |
| 05:27 | Oak | have fun eythian |
| 05:28 | sorry, Mr Robin | |
| 05:29 | cait | have fun eythian :) |
| 05:48 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #33: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/33/ |
| 05:48 | * jonathan.druart: Bug 8122 - Followup Add a link to new library group creation from empty groups message | |
| 05:48 | * colin.campbell: Bug 8150 [SIGNED-OFF]Â Remove obsoleted navigation bar in circ history | |
| 05:48 | * matthias.meusburger: Bug 6858: Bug fixing, fix some errors with the staticfines.pl script | |
| 05:48 | * mtj: Bug 8145 - [SIGNED-OFF] opac-tags.pl fails when DEBUG is set | |
| 05:49 | * paul.poulain: Bug 8144 - 775 tag in the MARC record causes display issue | |
| 05:49 | * oleonard: Bug 7127 - Templates must be valid XHTML | |
| 05:49 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8122 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Add a link to new library group creation from empty groups message |
| 05:49 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8150 minor, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Patron circulation history has a fossil navagation bar | |
| 05:49 | jenkins_koha | * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 : Fixing FSF address and copyright headers |
| 05:49 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 : Fixing FSF address and copyright statements | |
| 05:49 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 Fixing FSF statements | |
| 05:49 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 : Adding missing license statement | |
| 05:49 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6858 normal, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Stable , Adds staticfines.pl for static fines processing |
| 05:49 | jenkins_koha | * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 : Fixing FSF address and copyright headers for acqui/ |
| 05:49 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 : Adding copyright headers and fixing FSF addresses | |
| 05:49 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8145 major, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Pushed to Stable , opac-tags.pl fails when DEBUG is set |
| 05:49 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8144 critical, P1 - high, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , 775 tag in the MARC record causes display issue | |
| 05:49 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7127 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Templates must be valid XHTML | |
| 05:49 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4330 normal, P3, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Copyright statements out of date | |
| 05:49 | Oak | wizzyrea, around? |
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| 05:53 | francharb | hi |
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| 06:48 | julian_m | hi |
| 06:48 | wahanui | salut, julian_m |
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| 06:52 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:02 | gaetan_B | hello :) |
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| 07:36 | rangi | evening |
| 07:37 | Oak | evening rangi |
| 07:52 | magnuse | Oak |
| 07:52 | Oak | magnuse |
| 07:52 | magnuse | :-) |
| 07:52 | and kia ora #koha | |
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| 08:16 | kf | hi #koha |
| 08:16 | magnuse | kia ora kf! |
| 08:16 | kf | hi magnuse :) |
| 08:17 | rangi | hi kf |
| 08:18 | kf | hi rangi |
| 08:21 | Oak | wb kf |
| 08:25 | kf | paul_p: still around? |
| 08:25 | paul_p | kf yep |
| 08:25 | kf | there was a hint on the wiki on how to use -m to only add the [SIGNED-OFF] part |
| 08:25 | reading the logs right now :) | |
| 08:26 | want me to find it? | |
| 08:26 | paul_p | kf = busily working on improvement to sandboxes (to add the signoff option direct from URL) |
| 08:26 | kf | it was a snippet gmcharlt came up with I think |
| 08:26 | does not open the editor | |
| 08:26 | paul_p | I don't remember what it was |
| 08:26 | kf | I will look it up if its still interesting |
| 08:26 | paul_p | (but could be useful for me ! |
| 08:26 | yes it is ! | |
| 08:27 | kf | ah |
| 08:27 | it's for git format-patch - but perhaps there is a similar option for commit? | |
| 08:27 | git format-patch -s --subject-prefix='PATCH] [SIGNED-OFF' origin/master | |
| 08:27 | I remembered it wrong | |
| 08:29 | rangi | if you read the rest of the logs, you'll see we figured it out kf |
| 08:29 | kf | oh, that's what I was asking... if it's still interesting... |
| 08:29 | slef | blurgh... morning from half way to Edinburgh :) |
| 08:29 | kf | morning slef |
| 08:30 | magnuse | kia ora slef |
| 08:30 | rangi | hi slef |
| 08:31 | kf | slef: sooooon! |
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| 08:35 | slef | kf: nyaaaaaaaaawgh :) |
| 08:36 | kf | stop growling at me and back to work! :P |
| 08:40 | magnuse | slef: mind if i take a stab at bug 737? |
| 08:40 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=737 enhancement, P2, ---, mjr, NEW , Map of library in search system |
| 08:50 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
| 08:50 | huginn` | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (8:00 PM NZST on May 29, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising). |
| 08:55 | slef | magnuse: sure. Not 100% why I have that but I don't have a sponsor for it right now and other bugs to puzzle over. |
| 08:56 | magnuse | slef: cool, i'll give it a try then |
| 08:56 | @wunder boo | |
| 08:56 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (10:50 AM CEST on May 29, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:56 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 08:56 | magnuse | brrr... |
| 08:56 | huginn` | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 20.2°C (10:55 AM CEST on May 29, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:56 | kf | mmh :) |
| 08:56 | magnuse | yay! |
| 08:56 | @wunder marseille | |
| 08:56 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 22.0°C (10:30 AM CEST on May 29, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:57 | magnuse | nice |
| 08:58 | slef | magnuse: assign it to you, leave me as cc? |
| 08:58 | @wunder edi | |
| 08:58 | huginn` | slef: The current temperature in Mid Kinleith, Currie, United Kingdom is 11.0°C (9:58 AM BST on May 29, 2012). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:59 | slef | @wunder edinburgh |
| 08:59 | huginn` | slef: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:59 | slef | @wunder edinburgh, United Kingdom |
| 08:59 | huginn` | slef: The current temperature in Edinburgh, United Kingdom is 11.3°C (9:59 AM BST on May 29, 2012). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:59 | slef | @wunder egyh |
| 08:59 | magnuse | slef: sure thang! |
| 08:59 | huginn` | slef: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:59 | slef | @wunder dersingham |
| 08:59 | huginn` | slef: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Dersingham UK, Sculthorpe, United Kingdom is 14.4°C (9:33 AM BST on May 29, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:00 | kf | @wunder EDI |
| 09:00 | huginn` | kf: The current temperature in Mid Kinleith, Currie, United Kingdom is 11.0°C (10:00 AM BST on May 29, 2012). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:00 | magnuse | ooh, EDI has a temperature? ;-) |
| 09:01 | kf | just like boo has |
| 09:05 | slef | I think that's airport rather than city |
| 09:05 | magnuse | probably |
| 09:05 | slef | "Edinburgh, United Kingdom" is the city one... but not often too different |
| 09:08 | magnuse | ooh: http://act.yapc.eu/mtmh2012/ "Oslo Perl Mongers invites you to the Moving to Moose double-hackathon near Stavanger, Norway!" |
| 09:13 | @later tell eythian seen http://act.yapc.eu/mtmh2012/ ? | |
| 09:13 | huginn` | magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:40 | slef | rangi: could you ask andrewc for a high-res shot, how long would it take? I think we may have we run out of time :-/ |
| 09:40 | rangi | ahh, im not sure he would even have the original anymore |
| 09:40 | could remake it with gource of course | |
| 09:42 | but yeah, might be out of time i think | |
| 09:56 | slef | oh well something for next time |
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| 11:17 | Amit_Gupta | heya jwagner |
| 11:18 | jwagner | hi Amit_Gupta |
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| 11:42 | Amit_Gupta | heya paul |
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| 11:50 | samuel | hi everybody :-) |
| 11:51 | i've a problem with opac, since i've upgraded koha for 3.8. I can't access (no message error) but no problem for the intranet | |
| 11:52 | jcamins | samuel: how did you install Koha? |
| 11:55 | dpavlin_away: around? | |
| 11:56 | samuel | as we are in test, we use the deb package. So, when i've done the upgrade, i've this problem. |
| 11:56 | jcamins | samuel: does anything at all show up when you try to access the OPAC? |
| 11:57 | samuel | nothing at all |
| 11:57 | jcamins | Does the web browser say it can't connect? |
| 11:58 | samuel | "It works! This is the default web page for this server. The web server software is running but no content has been added, yet.", strange thing |
| 11:59 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 11:59 | Run: sudo a2dissite default | |
| 11:59 | Then run: sudo apache2ctl restart | |
| 12:00 | samuel | nothing change |
| 12:00 | jcamins | Really? |
| 12:00 | That means it's a DNS issue. | |
| 12:03 | Run: ls /etc/apache2/sites-enabled | |
| 12:04 | samuel | koha is enabled :-) |
| 12:04 | jcamins | Is there anything else? |
| 12:04 | samuel | no |
| 12:04 | jcamins | Run: sudo apache2ctl restart |
| 12:04 | (again) | |
| 12:05 | samuel | nothing, problem of redirection |
| 12:06 | jcamins | If you're still getting the default site, that means that your DNS is wrong. |
| 12:11 | paul_p: was that all automatic? | |
| 12:11 | paul_p++ | |
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| 12:11 | paul_p | jcamins ? |
| 12:11 | wahanui | well, jcamins is an outstanding cook, well-traveled and brilliant, trying to think of a solution, or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra or an authorities expert |
| 12:12 | jcamins | paul_p: the 8138 test |
| 12:12 | oleonard | Hi everyone |
| 12:12 | paul_p | jcamins yes, it is |
| 12:12 | http://pro.test1.biblibre.com/[…]n/koha/sandbox.pl | |
| 12:12 | jcamins = http://pro.test1.biblibre.com/[…]n/koha/sandbox.pl | |
| 12:12 | jcamins | Woohoo! |
| 12:13 | That's *awesome*! | |
| 12:15 | paul_p | jcamins = patch pushed in a few minuts to contribs repo, will let you know |
| 12:15 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 12:18 | oleonard | Thanks to all those who did so much work yesterday while I was goofing off |
| 12:22 | kf | oleonard: you deserved goofing off :) |
| 12:25 | oleonard | Actually yesterday was all busy with family stuff, so today I'm hoping for some nice rest at work ;) |
| 12:37 | kf | paul_p: you are spamming me :) |
| 12:37 | paul_p | kf ??? |
| 12:37 | wahanui | kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert. |
| 12:37 | kf | the 8138 |
| 12:37 | but I don't mind | |
| 12:38 | paul_p | yikes !!! |
| 12:38 | my cron don't remove the file !!! | |
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| 12:40 | kf | ah, I wondered |
| 12:40 | because they were all so close together | |
| 12:40 | in time | |
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| 12:51 | chris_n | paul_p: would it be desirable to add nytprof to the sandboxes? |
| 12:51 | paul_p | chris_n why could this be done ? what are you thinking of ? |
| 12:51 | s/of/about/ maybe ;-) | |
| 12:52 | chris_n | it would allow checking performance especially of larger changes |
| 12:53 | also of the proposed caching changes, search changes, etc. | |
| 12:53 | just a thought | |
| 12:55 | jcamins | chris_n: enjoying NYTProf? |
| 12:55 | Oh, speaking of NYTProf, you know what I learned yesterday? | |
| 12:56 | I learned that "use ZOOM" requires 700ms on *every single page*. | |
| 12:56 | chris_n | yes... just not enjoying the brick wall between me and the fix to my problem |
| 12:56 | ouch! | |
| 12:56 | !ZOOM | |
| 12:56 | jcamins | Whether we're doing any searching or not. |
| 12:56 | chris_n | not good |
| 12:56 | kf | ouch |
| 12:56 | indeed | |
| 12:57 | chris_n | caching has not improved performance on this machine a bit |
| 12:57 | sadly | |
| 12:57 | kf | :( |
| 12:57 | jcamins | chris_n: odd. I saw huge improvements even on my development VM. |
| 12:57 | chris_n | I'm tempted to wipe it clean and start again |
| 12:58 | jcamins | You can't upgrade the hardware? |
| 12:59 | chris_n | not easily |
| 12:59 | jcamins | 'Cause that's probably what's needed. |
| 12:59 | chris_n | probably so... things are superfast on my quad-core dev box |
| 13:00 | maybe I should make a donation to the library ;-) | |
| 13:00 | jcamins | Also, Plack is kind of incredible. |
| 13:00 | * jcamins | was not expecting it to make such a noticeable difference. |
| 13:00 | jcamins | chris_n: you could just take an old desktop... it'd be faster than your current server. |
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| 13:02 | * chris_n | reruns ntyprof with caching off |
| 13:06 | paul_p | Plack is just what I was expected, I just regret to have waiting so long to organize something around it ! |
| 13:13 | kf | paul_p: It's hard to get bigger community projects organized |
| 13:13 | paul_p: are you running plack in production already? | |
| 13:14 | paul_p | kf = nope for plack (except OPAC for Lyon 3) |
| 13:14 | kf = agreed for community organized being hard ;-) | |
| 13:14 | kf | but overall I think we do pretty good :) |
| 13:15 | lots of things moving | |
| 13:15 | Oak | we do :) |
| 13:15 | * jcamins | would run it in production if 3.6.x was Plack-friendly. |
| 13:15 | Oak | but because of you guys. |
| 13:16 | kf | oleonard++ # for working on jquery ui :) |
| 13:16 | jcamins | Best way to shake out problems is have lots of people shaking. :) |
| 13:16 | Oak | oleonard++ |
| 13:16 | jcamins++ | |
| 13:16 | kf++ | |
| 13:18 | * oleonard | didn't know PTFS-Europe supported Evergreen too: http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ytext.pl?RC=16882 |
| 13:18 | Oak | oleonard, what is the best way to add a div box on right column of opac under the login box? i have added it by modifying the template but that i think is not a good way? |
| 13:19 | oleonard | Implement Bug 3708? :) |
| 13:19 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3708 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Add another customizable region to the OPAC: right sidebar |
| 13:19 | oleonard | Oak: Otherwise your only choice is to use jQuery |
| 13:19 | Oak | hmm :) |
| 13:19 | and i don't know jQuery :( | |
| 13:19 | * chris_n | grips about bulky code |
| 13:19 | oleonard | Oak did you check the jQuery library on the wiki for existing solutions? |
| 13:20 | Oak | no. |
| 13:20 | oleonard | jquery library? |
| 13:20 | wahanui | jquery library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/JQuery_Library |
| 13:20 | * Oak | runs to the wiki |
| 13:20 | oleonard | Let me know if you don't see something there |
| 13:20 | Oak | wow |
| 13:20 | thank you! | |
| 13:20 | will do. | |
| 13:25 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 13:25 | Oak | hello quiet wizzyrea |
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| 13:27 | kf | hi sekjal |
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| 13:34 | sekjal | hi, kf |
| 13:58 | anyone in channel know anything about Kurogo? (open source 'mobile optimized middleware') | |
| 13:59 | kf | no idea |
| 14:07 | wizzyrea | whoa |
| 14:07 | * wizzyrea | will have to look up kurogo |
| 14:09 | * Oak | looking http://kurogo.org/examples/ |
| 14:10 | sekjal | looks like one of the big companies involved, Modo Labs, has produced a Library module |
| 14:10 | unfortunately, I have not been able to find the source code for it (only for Kurogo's core) | |
| 14:12 | paul_p | jcamins = patch pushed on contribs/global for online signoff |
| 14:12 | jcamins | paul_p++ |
| 14:12 | Oak | paul_p++ |
| 14:13 | jcamins | sekjal: I came across another very cool mobile development thing. |
| 14:13 | sekjal: isn't that useful? :) | |
| 14:14 | PhoneGap. | |
| 14:15 | Sometimes I even remember the name of the software I'm telling people about! :) | |
| 14:16 | sekjal | jcamins: PhoneGap is awesome |
| 14:16 | love the idea | |
| 14:16 | haven't had occasion to use it just yet... | |
| 14:17 | jcamins | Nor have I, but I think there's a library in the NYC metropolitan area that did a library app with it. |
| 14:18 | sekjal | I think it would be the way to go for a mobile staff client, should we ever want to go that direction |
| 14:18 | write it in HTML5/CSS/Javascript, then compile for whatever platform your running | |
| 14:19 | jcamins | Agreed. |
| 14:19 | sekjal: have you tried plack with Koha at all? | |
| 14:20 | Seems like something you might enjoy playing with. :) | |
| 14:20 | sekjal | jcamins: I haven't yet... been doing lots of yardwork and house stuff with my free time lately |
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| 14:21 | sekjal | but I do mean to run it on my local Koha instance, once I populate it |
| 14:23 | jcamins | I tried installing Plack last night. |
| 14:23 | It's really quite cool. | |
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| 15:02 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:02 | * chris_n | wonders why folks use 3rd party barcode generators |
| 15:03 | chris_n | especially for something as straightforward as creating scan-sheets |
| 15:08 | oleonard | What do you mean chris_n? |
| 15:08 | chris_n | I'm referring to the thread on the user's list regarding class-sorted patron scan sheets |
| 15:09 | its pretty simple to do with the patron card creator | |
| 15:09 | but perhaps I'm missing some key point in the discussion :) | |
| 15:10 | jcamins | chris_n: most likely the key point is that the librarians were never shown the patron card creator. |
| 15:10 | Might be worth pointing out its existence. | |
| 15:10 | chris_n | I did |
| 15:10 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 15:11 | Okay. | |
| 15:11 | Missed that. | |
| 15:11 | Sorry. | |
| 15:11 | kf | chris_n: perhaps showing an example would work |
| 15:11 | like, click here - this is a scansheet created with Koha! | |
| 15:11 | slef | kf: just lost a speaker. OK if I invite kyleh to replace? |
| 15:12 | chris_n | I could to that, but it would be pretty boring after redacting names, etc... |
| 15:12 | kf | I didn't knwo we had an abstract from kyle |
| 15:12 | jcamins | slef: aww. Which talk? |
| 15:12 | kf | yes, which one? |
| 15:12 | wahanui | i guess which one is it |
| 15:12 | slef | kf: we don't yet. He was a stand-by. |
| 15:12 | jcamins: kf: The Phillipines one. | |
| 15:12 | kf | oh, that's sad |
| 15:12 | jcamins | That's too bad. |
| 15:12 | kf | did they give a reason? |
| 15:12 | jcamins | What will he be talking about? |
| 15:13 | slef | kf: yes and I don't think it's fair to share but it is completely unavoidable. |
| 15:13 | jcamins: kyleh ? I think he's open to requests... | |
| 15:14 | The other option is to reinstate paul_p's other talk but I think we felt that overlapped with other talks already on there and paul_p is doing a double or triple duty already | |
| 15:16 | I lean towards kyleh but which would you prefer? | |
| 15:17 | paul_p | triple duty ? mmm... /me thought I had a tiny talk on presenting sandboxes, and a full talk |
| 15:17 | kf | yep, Ithink you got "what is new" and the sandboxes |
| 15:18 | slef: not sure what I prefer - becasue don't know what kyle will be talkign about :) | |
| 15:18 | slef | nothing for paul_p at hackfest? |
| 15:18 | kf | but I think more different people might be good |
| 15:18 | slef: nope, onthing at hackfest | |
| 15:18 | but I think it's ok to not have so many presentations there | |
| 15:18 | slef | oh my brain! |
| 15:18 | wahanui | slef, your brain is asleep :-( I don't remember seeing that error. Seems like the sort of thing that would be on the web. |
| 15:18 | kf | more time for people to practice communication skills :) |
| 15:18 | paul_p | slef = well, nothing or manything ! I think it will be an "unconference" |
| 15:18 | jcamins | Seems kind of hard to make any sort of decision without some idea of what the talks are. |
| 15:18 | slef | do we want to suggest any topic to kyleh ? |
| 15:19 | paul_p | for the hackfest, we (BibLibre) have 10 topics to speak of ! |
| 15:19 | well, not 10, more 50 ;-) | |
| 15:19 | slef | anything not being covered in the programme that a library tech would have insight into? |
| 15:19 | kf | paul_p: that's a lot! :) |
| 15:20 | paul_p: do you need any additional equipment? like flipchart paper or something? | |
| 15:20 | paul_p | I like flipchart paper if we can have one. |
| 15:20 | kf = do we have video-projectors ? | |
| 15:20 | how many ? | |
| 15:21 | BibLibre can come with one if it can be usefull | |
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| 15:21 | slef | one video projector AFAIK... if you want more, it would be very useful |
| 15:21 | might be useful as a standby anyway... not sure what is in edinburgh already | |
| 15:21 | jcamins | slef: I think we're already heavy enough on "development for librarians." |
| 15:21 | Perhaps he could talk about offline circ? I think he's done a lot of work with that? | |
| 15:22 | That's of interest to libraries. | |
| 15:22 | kyleh | slef: I'm open to talking about anything |
| 15:22 | slef | jcamins: great idea! |
| 15:22 | kyleh: hello :) | |
| 15:22 | paul_p | slef = how many ppl registered for the conf ? for the hackfest ? |
| 15:23 | kyleh | I can certainly talk about offline circ |
| 15:23 | paul_p | kyleh = do you have tried our KOCT FF module ? |
| 15:23 | kyleh | paul_p: no I have not, but I can familiarize myself with it. |
| 15:24 | kf | kyleh: it would be cool if you could show both |
| 15:24 | paul_p | kyleh = who comes from bywater ? |
| 15:24 | kf | kyleh: I think both have advantages - the stnadalone tool and the firefox |
| 15:24 | kyleh | kf: agreed. It would be a dis-service to not present both. |
| 15:24 | slef | paul_p: 70 combined at the moment. I need to split them today but have not yet. |
| 15:25 | kf | slef: possible to get paper? I was wondering for the bug squash too, sometimes nice to have something visible where people can put notes on |
| 15:26 | paul_p | about KohaCon13, did we made some progress ? we've 2 candidates if I'm not mistaking. Is there a plan for voting ? (we used to announce KohaConN+1 at the end of KohaConN) |
| 15:26 | kf | slef: I still have to think about the bug squash a bit - perhaps coming up with something :) |
| 15:30 | paul_p: I think even 3 candidates - in the wiki now | |
| 15:31 | ok, have to run - bbl :) | |
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| 15:40 | oleonard | addbooks.pl requires edit_catalogue permission, but it should also be accessible to those with edit_items permission |
| 15:40 | Is it possible to make that work? | |
| 15:41 | flagsrequired => edit_catalogue || edit_items? | |
| 15:42 | jcamins | oleonard: yes. |
| 15:42 | wizzyrea | oleonard: I'm not sure you want to do that |
| 15:42 | oleonard | Why wizzyrea ? |
| 15:43 | wizzyrea | because you might have a situation wher eyou wanted people to be able to edit the record, but not the associated items |
| 15:43 | i'll grant you it's probably a 123 | |
| 15:44 | oleonard | wizzyrea: I think we're on the same page. I'm talking about addbooks.pl not addbiblio.pl |
| 15:44 | addbooks.pl = cataloging home page | |
| 15:44 | wizzyrea | oh sorry, I read that wrong |
| 15:45 | never mind. | |
| 15:45 | >.< | |
| 15:49 | oleonard | So jcamins, uh... How to do that? |
| 15:50 | jcamins | oleonard: do what? |
| 15:50 | Oh. | |
| 15:50 | Just the way you suggested. | |
| 15:50 | Wait, no, let me check. | |
| 15:50 | I think it might be a single | rather than || | |
| 15:53 | flagsrequired => { edit_catalogue => '*' } | |
| 15:53 | I think? | |
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| 16:00 | oleonard | Thanks jcamins, turns out it's flagsrequired => { editcatalogue => '*' } |
| 16:00 | jcamins | I was close. |
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| 16:17 | oleonard | Hm... Is there any place for a user with "fast_cataloging" permission on the cataloging home page? |
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| 16:31 | oleonard | So " editcatalogue => '*'" gives users with Fast cataloging permission access to addbooks.pl where they can't do anything but see what's in the catalog. |
| 16:32 | jcamins | oleonard: so, they'll be a bit bored. |
| 16:32 | oleonard | Okay, so whatever. |
| 16:33 | jcamins | oleonard: that's my feeling. |
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| 17:05 | jcamins | oleonard: how do we do tabs in Koha? |
| 17:05 | Let me rephrase that. | |
| 17:05 | How *should* we be doing tabs in Koha? | |
| 17:06 | oleonard | We should be using the latest version of jQueryUI to do javascript-driven tabs. I'm working on a patch for that right now. |
| 17:06 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 17:06 | I will sign off and then base my work on it. | |
| 17:06 | oleonard | Right now we use an older version of the tabs plugin from before it was rolled into jQueryUI |
| 17:06 | jcamins | I'll sign off on your autocomplete thing while we're at it. |
| 17:07 | oleonard | the differences in syntax are really minor |
| 17:08 | jcamins | oleonard: what's the bug number? |
| 17:08 | Oak | hmm. a 404 here http://koha-community.org/get-involved/ |
| 17:08 | jcamins | (of teh one you just did) |
| 17:08 | My connection is saturated so browsing is an exercise in frustration. | |
| 17:08 | oleonard | Bug 7747 already has a signoff |
| 17:08 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7747 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Replace YUI autocomplete with jQueryUI |
| 17:09 | jcamins | Ah, excellent. |
| 17:09 | That's what I meant. | |
| 17:09 | Guess I don't have to. | |
| 17:09 | git qa 8161 | |
| 17:09 | Sorry. | |
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| 17:19 | jcamins | yui-- |
| 17:24 | Oak | yui-- |
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| 17:36 | drojf | good evening |
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| 17:38 | jcamins | oleonard: I'm thinking about exporting authorities. |
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| 17:38 | jcamins | I have a user interface question for you. |
| 17:38 | oleonard | You should tabify a sprited widget-table with some ajax |
| 17:39 | jcamins | My instinct is that since most of the options on tools/export.pl have nothing to do with authorities, it makes more sense to have separate tabs for exporting bibs and auths. |
| 17:40 | Does that make sense? | |
| 17:41 | oleonard | Are the two different kinds of operations similar enough that the should be on the same page? The other option would be to just have two pages. |
| 17:41 | jcamins | oleonard: I think it does make sense to have one page, because it's an "export all your data" page. |
| 17:42 | I think tools/export.pl makes sense as the place to go to export *all* your data. | |
| 17:43 | (not that there's any other data at the moment, but one day there will be nifty semantic triple-stored data:) | |
| 17:43 | oleonard | So the next question is whether both functions should be on the same page and tabbed with jquery or whether the tabs should be cosmetic and each links to a separate page (like the tabs for members/pay.pl, members/maninvoice.pl etc) |
| 17:43 | ...if that makes any sense | |
| 17:44 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 17:44 | That's a good question. | |
| 17:45 | cait | I think I like the idea |
| 17:45 | having a tabbed side navigation like we have on members perhaps | |
| 17:45 | jcamins | cait: which idea? |
| 17:45 | cait | and later being able to export other data |
| 17:45 | jcamins | No, I can't do tabbed side navigation. |
| 17:45 | cait | like patron information |
| 17:45 | jcamins | We use the side for the tools. |
| 17:45 | cait | ah |
| 17:45 | right | |
| 17:46 | then top tabbed navigation like oleonard suggested i think? | |
| 17:47 | although I think some of the tools have their own navigation, I think the printing module have toolbars, but that't not really working here | |
| 17:47 | ok, not sure I ammaking sense - blame accounting | |
| 17:48 | jcamins | Yeah, I like the top tabs idea. |
| 17:48 | That's why I asked about it. :) | |
| 17:48 | What I'm not sure about is whether they should be different files. | |
| 17:49 | oleonard | There's also the option of loading the content of the second tab via AJAX rather than actually moving to the other page |
| 17:49 | I don't think we do that anywhere yet in Koha | |
| 17:49 | cait | bit worried about accessibility |
| 17:51 | jcamins | It seems to me that having it all one one page using jQuery to produce the tabs would be most amenable to a no-Javascript environment. |
| 17:51 | If Javascript is disabled, you just have to scrolld own more for future tabs. | |
| 17:52 | oleonard | The staff client requires JavaScript. |
| 17:52 | jcamins | I guess that's not such a concern then. |
| 17:52 | Wow. | |
| 17:52 | Amazon redid the AWS console. | |
| 17:53 | cait | oleonard: I think javascript is not all bad as some screenreaders can deal with it |
| 17:55 | only not sure when and where it's ok | |
| 17:56 | jcamins | oleonard: so, we return to the original question. How should I do this? |
| 17:56 | You have the deciding vote. | |
| 17:57 | oleonard | If it doesn't make the template and script too difficult to maintain I don't have a problem with doing it all on one page |
| 17:58 | wajasu | i'm using a sandbox against master. i am trying to add a biblio/item using the z39.50 search to find a record with an author with a diacritic (i.e. Jürgen). The results show no author in the x3950 search results. (Because author is in 700 fields I guess). Do I need to change a sys preference to get the authority imported? |
| 17:58 | jcamins | oleonard: it would just make both longer. |
| 17:58 | wajasu: you can't import authorities over Z39.50. | |
| 17:58 | wajasu | ok. |
| 18:14 | jcamins | Remember how a few weeks ago we had someone who had used koha-restore to migrate their database and ended up with a non-working system? |
| 18:14 | Looks like a bug in koha-restore. | |
| 18:14 | sekjal | jcamins: just glanced over the Dept. of Homeland Security's recently released list of keywords they monitor online. "authorities" is one |
| 18:14 | jcamins | sekjal: woohoo! |
| 18:15 | What's that song from Anything Goes? | |
| 18:15 | Ah, Public Enemy Number One. :) | |
| 18:16 | sekjal | pork, plot, ice, crest and enriched are also all on there |
| 18:16 | cait | ice? |
| 18:17 | jcamins | Odd... I don't see any reason why koha-restore doesn't work. |
| 18:17 | sekjal | cait: yes, there are some very, very generic words on there. I really hope they aren't actually filtering anything against it |
| 18:18 | cait | yeah |
| 18:23 | wajasu | i just edited 100a of the biblio to get an author with a diacritc Jürgen. printed my label, and got JÃ1⁄4rgen. Now I will perform this process to fix 1) create new bug report. create a patch, test it locally, attach it to the bug report, test it in a sandbox, let someone else sign off (unless i can), let qa/rel mgr do their push/etc. Hope for the next release. |
| 18:23 | jcamins | wajasu: you can't sign off on your own patch. |
| 18:23 | wajasu | ok. makes sense |
| 18:24 | jcamins | wajasu: how did you fix your problem? |
| 18:26 | wajasu | i had done a patch last year so diacritcs would show. http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]hment.cgi?id=5713 but Katrin tested and said it didn't help. I thought my dev environment was at fault, so now that the latest release is out on squeeze, I thought I'd give it another try. |
| 18:27 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 18:28 | wajasu | i just added a utf8::downgrade($line) in the label printing pdf code and they started showing up for me. I wanted to get some else to try, so I don't have to make the fix with each new release. |
| 18:29 | Oak | night guys |
| 18:32 | wajasu | It would be nice if I could have specified the bugzilla id=5713 with the sandbox. Then I could have tried it with sandbox and not create a new bug. I think if I create a new bug it will be easier for someone else to test/sign off. |
| 18:33 | jcamins | wajasu: but if there isn't an appropriate bug, no one will look at it to sign off. |
| 18:33 | So better to create a new bug. | |
| 18:39 | * chris_n | finally got a clear direction to move on his koha server |
| 18:39 | jcamins | chris_n: oh? |
| 18:39 | chris_n | the poor exhausted thing finally expired |
| 18:39 | so now I'll get new hardware ;-) | |
| 18:39 | wajasu | i like the sandbox. it could be made even better. a) create kvm-based image of master from git, b) apply patch (or not) OR allow ssh into kvm environment for fix to code c) test d) use a new sandbox-patch link/button to create a bug report/patch, attach it to report,, mail to list etc. Then alot of quick fixes can be done with. |
| 18:39 | jcamins | chris_n: if you're using packages, be aware that koha-restore is currently broken, at least for moving an installation from one server to a different one. |
| 18:40 | * chris_n | stubbornly uses git :) |
| 18:40 | jcamins | chris_n: well, it's _your_ time. |
| 18:40 | :P | |
| 18:44 | sekjal | git++ |
| 18:45 | cait | wajasu: I think the sandboxes are mainly intended to be used for testers with only basic technical knowledge |
| 18:45 | wajasu: for developing a local installation might be better, you can easily have one in a vm on your local desktop | |
| 18:57 | wajasu | ok. |
| 19:05 | oleonard | If I'm changing the contents of a .pref file there's no second step, right? No more changing the database or anything like that? |
| 19:05 | cait | hm, should be ok I think |
| 19:06 | depending on the change | |
| 19:06 | jcamins | oleonard: that's correct. |
| 19:08 | chris_n | oleonard: assuming "change" is != "add" |
| 19:09 | oleonard | Right, modifying an existing pref description (Bug 8163) |
| 19:09 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8163 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Click to populate XSLT preferences with "default" or empty values |
| 19:13 | cait | oleonard: safe :) |
| 19:17 | chris_n | if you have a little extra cash lying around: http://tinyurl.com/c39o4ek |
| 19:17 | jcamins | Wait, there are anonymous accounts by default in MySQL 5.5?!?!? |
| 19:18 | oleonard | Oh man I spent my last $2,000,000 on hot dogs and chips for the picnic yesterday |
| 19:18 | chris_n | hehe |
| 19:18 | oleonard | And by the way if anyone wants to come by for hot dogs and chips I've got a few left over. |
| 19:21 | jcamins | mysql5.5-- |
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| 19:36 | sekjal | jcamins: ack, that's terrible! |
| 19:38 | jcamins | sekjal: anonymous logins, and '%' no longer matches localhost. |
| 19:41 | sekjal | hmmm, now I want to get multi-database support even moreso |
| 19:41 | magnuse | time to move to mariadb? |
| 19:42 | chris_n | oracle-- |
| 19:42 | sekjal | I think we could write a script to list out all the SQL in Koha, and then check it for cross-database compatibility |
| 19:42 | chris_n | that's probably true for the most part |
| 19:43 | some of it is built on the fly, but most is hard code | |
| 19:43 | jcamins | Not sure MariaDB will be any different. |
| 19:43 | chris_n | really? |
| 19:44 | cait | sekjal: I think mbalmer did go through the sql i most parts and some it is not easy to be resolved |
| 19:44 | sekjal: not sure how to start work on an abstraction layer - it sounds hard | |
| 19:44 | sekjal | perhaps a start: http://www.bugzilla.org/docs/d[…].html#sql-crossdb |
| 19:44 | cait | could we do a mix? get it started and change part by part or is it a all in one change? |
| 19:45 | jcamins | cait: the trick is to focus on the big picture rather than worrying about backticks. |
| 19:45 | cait | jcamins: you don't have to tell me :) |
| 19:45 | jcamins | cait: I know. :) |
| 19:45 | sekjal | right, we need to identify the problematic patterns, and which can be replaced, and which will require humans to rewrite |
| 19:47 | mbalmer | we should switch to PostgreSQL, indeed. sync/async replication and much more.. |
| 19:47 | chris_n | sekjal: bz does have some good cross db dox |
| 19:47 | sekjal | for example, I think we *might* be able to replace IFNULL usage with COALESCE in a programmatic way |
| 19:47 | mbalmer | PostgreSQL is so much advanced over MySQL... |
| 19:48 | jcamins | mbalmer: when Koha is running smoothly on Postgres, I will surely try it and see if it makes a difference for my users. :) |
| 19:48 | oleonard | mbalmer: That's not the point |
| 19:48 | mbalmer: The point is to make Koha db-independent | |
| 19:49 | cait | mbalmer: we have 2000 librares actually using Koha now - you can't force all those to switch database |
| 19:49 | mbalmer | no. koha should choose the right DB. |
| 19:49 | rangi | More like 4000 |
| 19:49 | cait | mbalmer: it might happen that one will not be used over time, but that time will show |
| 19:49 | oleonard | mbalmer: There's no right DB |
| 19:49 | cait | right :) |
| 19:49 | sekjal | mbalmer: disagree. the library should choose the DB that's right for them |
| 19:49 | Koha should allow that | |
| 19:49 | mbalmer | db independence means using the least common denominator etc. |
| 19:50 | * chris_n | tries in vain to drop the bag of skittles |
| 19:50 | * cait | goes to look up skittles |
| 19:50 | jcamins | chris_n: put down the skittles and nobody gets hurt. |
| 19:50 | chris_n | hehe |
| 19:50 | cait: a candy..www.skittles.com | |
| 19:50 | cait | a candy.. and I don't know it? |
| 19:51 | oleonard | It's okay cait, it's a terrible candy :P |
| 19:51 | chris_n | corn syrup and citric acid... mostly |
| 19:51 | oh yes.. and hydrogenated palm kernel oil | |
| 19:51 | mbalmer | we should make a decision to run on PostgreSQL and use the advanced features PostgreSQL has to offer. Notihing less. |
| 19:51 | chris_n | real healthfood |
| 19:51 | oleonard | mbalmer: That's not how this community works |
| 19:52 | rangi | Ohh I could Godwin this whole discussion right now |
| 19:52 | jcamins | mbalmer: you may make that decision. _I_ will make the decision that works for me. Then we can both be happy. |
| 19:53 | * chris_n | looks around for a billy goat |
| 19:54 | rangi | Heh |
| 19:55 | mtj | nice -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law |
| 19:55 | and, morning #koha... | |
| 19:56 | jcamins | Morning. |
| 19:56 | wahanui | morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. |
| 19:57 | * chris_n | 's cat gets fresh goat milk each morning |
| 19:57 | chris_n | so mornings are good around here |
| 19:58 | * jcamins | 's cat would like some fresh goat milk now, please. |
| 19:58 | rangi | Gruff milk? |
| 19:58 | chris_n | lol |
| 19:58 | jcamins | Also, he's ready for some currying if I don't mind. |
| 19:58 | * chris_n | hands off a quart to jcamins' cat |
| 19:59 | chris_n | wow: "inappropriate hyperbolic comparisons" |
| 19:59 | that's some lingo | |
| 20:00 | * sekjal | 's cats woke him up at 2am this morning as they had a very vocal fight about.... something |
| 20:02 | * magnuse | puts a stack of freshly made low carb waffles in the middle of #koha, then wanders off to devour the rest of 'em |
| 20:02 | cait | low carb waffles |
| 20:03 | he could have left with an explanation about that... | |
| 20:03 | oleonard | cait: You put a waffle on a plate, and then throw away the waffle. Then you smell the plate and wish you had a waffle. |
| 20:03 | jcamins | lol |
| 20:03 | cait | lol |
| 20:04 | magnus_waffles | lol |
| 20:04 | it's made with almond flour and lots of eggs | |
| 20:05 | and replacement sugar | |
| 20:05 | cait | oh yum |
| 20:05 | chris_n | fresh milk and waffles |
| 20:05 | yum yum | |
| 20:05 | magnus_waffles | this, in fact: http://sukrin.org/sukrin/about/ |
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| 20:12 | rangi | My stop |
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| 20:14 | wizzyrea | hmm the quick slip doesn't seem to print the issues anymore |
| 20:14 | cait | yep it has been reported |
| 20:14 | from melia earlier tonight and I tihnk there is another bug in bugzilla somewhere | |
| 20:15 | * wizzyrea | wonders wtf happened. :( |
| 20:15 | melia | ah ok. I couldn't find another bug, so I just reopened that same one. |
| 20:15 | cait | hm |
| 20:15 | maybe bug 8129? | |
| 20:15 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8129 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , quick slips issuing does not work |
| 20:15 | cait | date comparisons - so maybe a side effect of hourly? |
| 20:15 | wizzyrea | oh good point |
| 20:16 | cait | melia's is on bug 7001 |
| 20:16 | * wizzyrea | knows it worked when she tested 7001 |
| 20:16 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, In Discussion , User Configurable Slips |
| 20:18 | * libsysguy | feels bad about hourly |
| 20:18 | wizzyrea | why?! |
| 20:18 | libsysguy | every time i sign in I feel like wizzyrea is having problems becuase of it |
| 20:18 | wizzyrea | ! |
| 20:18 | well that's just coincidence. :P | |
| 20:18 | * wizzyrea | does not feel bad about hourly |
| 20:19 | cait | it was a big change |
| 20:19 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 20:19 | cait | don't feel bad about it :) |
| 20:19 | libsysguy | wizzyrea stop testing things and finding bugs I missed :p |
| 20:19 | wizzyrea | and, all of it can be fixed :) |
| 20:19 | I didn't! | |
| 20:19 | libsysguy | true |
| 20:19 | hah | |
| 20:19 | maybe my next big project won't cause as many problems | |
| 20:20 | cait | depends on your next big project .... |
| 20:20 | * cait | is curious :) |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | don't forget, 7001 was my baby |
| 20:20 | well, srdjan's baby really | |
| 20:20 | sekjal | looks like 8129 identifies the problem and solution pretty well... anyone want to give it a try? |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | we had a code baby together. |
| 20:20 | cait | well... it has a dad and a mom then :) |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | that sounds… wrong. |
| 20:20 | libsysguy | cait https://github.com/libsysguy/koha-catalyst |
| 20:21 | wizzyrea | oh hey |
| 20:21 | sekjal - I'll give that a go | |
| 20:21 | cait | oh |
| 20:21 | libsysguy | code coitus |
| 20:21 | wizzyrea | ew |
| 20:21 | cait | ew |
| 20:21 | libsysguy | heh |
| 20:22 | sekjal | I think line 2278 of C4/Members.pm may be the place to change |
| 20:22 | put $today in the same format as issuedate and date_due | |
| 20:23 | brownie points: renaming the variable $now, since it is now more specific than just day | |
| 20:24 | cait | libsysguy: I am still not getting it :( |
| 20:24 | * wizzyrea | needs a git alias for "wip" |
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| 20:25 | libsysguy | cait I am trying to rebase koha on the Catalyst framework |
| 20:25 | cait | and you think that will cause less problems than hourly? |
| 20:25 | libsysguy | it has a lot of cool features, plus it would reign in the codebase |
| 20:25 | haha | |
| 20:25 | cait | is it a proof of concept? |
| 20:25 | libsysguy | yeah it is |
| 20:25 | I am working on notices | |
| 20:26 | rewriting the interface and integrating it with the calendar | |
| 20:26 | wizzyrea | with the stuff from 7001 I hope |
| 20:26 | libsysguy | also working on a way to implement calendar recurrences |
| 20:26 | cait | hm |
| 20:27 | perhaps not all at once? | |
| 20:27 | you know... tiny steps | |
| 20:27 | libsysguy | oh yeah |
| 20:27 | cait | easier to test and get in |
| 20:27 | libsysguy | well this is just a proof of concept |
| 20:27 | wizzyrea | there was one other thing |
| 20:27 | libsysguy | I don't really know how to go about it |
| 20:27 | other than get something working | |
| 20:27 | then show it off | |
| 20:27 | code and pony show? | |
| 20:27 | wizzyrea | that needed to be added to 7001 - instead of requiring a file, use a "slipcss" pref like "opacusercss" |
| 20:27 | libsysguy | heh |
| 20:27 | wizzyrea | and include that. |
| 20:28 | instead of requiring a special file. | |
| 20:29 | rangi | back |
| 20:30 | libsysguy | bug 7001 |
| 20:30 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, In Discussion , User Configurable Slips |
| 20:33 | oleonard | Okay, I'm off. Y'all get that database thing sorted out while I'm gone okay? Thanx. |
| 20:33 | * cait | was more planning to sort out the waffles... |
| 20:35 | mtj | rangi: heya - did you know this got broked -> http://koha-community.org/get-involved/ |
| 20:35 | prolly from yr nginx switch? | |
| 20:35 | rangi | nope i didnt, or i would have fixed it :) |
| 20:35 | 2 seconds | |
| 20:37 | mtj | ta :) |
| 20:39 | melia | I have another question from a library who upgraded to 3.8.1 today that *might* be related to hourly loans, possibly. (I'm not sure if there's a bug report yet - I can't find one) |
| 20:39 | rangi | brave library :) |
| 20:39 | melia | items that are due today 5/29 at 23:59 are showing as due at 00:00 |
| 20:40 | rangi | and that 1 minute will kill us all! |
| 20:40 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 20:40 | melia | hehe |
| 20:40 | they're getting charged for it being overdue 1 day that it's not really overdue | |
| 20:40 | (so the library says) | |
| 20:40 | rangi | hmm |
| 20:40 | sekjal | solution: don't charge overdues |
| 20:40 | rangi | most likely to do with hourly loans |
| 20:41 | melia | LOL. thanks sekjal. :) |
| 20:41 | jcamins | melia: if you're using the cronjob to calculate fines, it's nothing to worry about. |
| 20:41 | rangi | since nothing was due at time based period before that |
| 20:41 | jcamins | Add a one-day grace period and it'll be straightened out tomorrow. |
| 20:41 | If you're doing the calculate-at-return method for calculating fines, add a 24-hour grace period, and wait 3 weeks. | |
| 20:42 | If you're not doing either of those things, that's a mighty creative library you got there! | |
| 20:42 | melia | haha. I'm not sure how they're calculating their fines. I'll go look at that. |
| 20:43 | rangi | mtj: http://koha-community.org/get-involved/ |
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| 20:49 | druthb | o/ |
| 20:49 | rangi | hiya druthb |
| 20:50 | druthb | hiya, rangi |
| 20:55 | libsysguy | hey druthb :) |
| 20:56 | * druthb | pulls out cookies, and offers one to libsysguy. |
| 20:56 | libsysguy | awww |
| 20:56 | * libsysguy | takes cookies and runs back to his dark corner |
| 20:56 | druthb | heh |
| 20:57 | sekjal | alright, folks, time for me to go. have a good morning/afternoon/evening/etc |
| 20:58 | libsysguy | what is the difference between a TT file and an INC file |
| 20:58 | * libsysguy | can't find anything other than the extension |
| 20:58 | cait | slef: around? |
| 21:01 | jcamins | libsysguy: they have different extensions. That's all, as far as I know. |
| 21:03 | libsysguy | jcamins++ |
| 21:03 | cait | libsysguy: I think an inc file is a tt files used as ain iclude? |
| 21:03 | without all my typos | |
| 21:03 | * cait | should sleep |
| 21:03 | libsysguy | heh its ok I got the gist |
| 21:04 | sleep is a wonderful thing | |
| 21:04 | cait | good night all :) |
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| 21:08 | seanb | howdy. quick question: can koha and drupal play nice on the same server? |
| 21:10 | rangi | as long as you set up your apache configuration nicely then yep |
| 21:11 | seanb | hmmm. host based resolution? something like that? |
| 21:11 | or is it name based... | |
| 21:12 | rangi | name based probably, drupal is a big pile of php mess, and koha is pile of perl mess .. drupal can work your server pretty hard too, so it depends on a lot of things, how big the sites are, how much traffic they get, how grunty the server is |
| 21:13 | libsysguy | and how hard you are nailing mysql |
| 21:13 | seanb | i already have some research to do... drupal is sitting in /var/www and koha is sitting elsewhere. i'm clear on how to configure apache properly at the most fundamental level |
| 21:14 | *not clear | |
| 21:14 | the koha db isn't hitting mysql very hard, and i don't expect the drupal do so either. by the time that would be a factor, i hopefully will have learned how to properly tune it | |
| 21:14 | rangi | you'd have 2 different (well 3, koha already uses 2) virtualhosts |
| 21:15 | seanb | under sites-enabled? |
| 21:15 | rangi | id do some reading up on apache :) |
| 21:15 | libsysguy | ^^ |
| 21:16 | you're probably going to have to assign something to a different port or have multiple IP's assigned to that box | |
| 21:16 | rangi | hm not really no |
| 21:17 | namebased hosting is fine all on the same port/ip | |
| 21:17 | * rangi | has 15 koha running on the same ip and port |
| 21:17 | libsysguy | 0_0 |
| 21:17 | * druthb | has 25 instances on one box. |
| 21:17 | libsysguy | madness |
| 21:17 | druthb | same IP and port. |
| 21:17 | NameVirtualHost++ | |
| 21:18 | libsysguy | heh oh yeah |
| 21:22 | seanb | k |
| 21:23 | i guess i'll see what happens with my bumbling around | |
| 21:27 | in order to create a virtual host entry for drupal, do i do something similar to the koha link under sites-enabled? | |
| 21:27 | rangi | my response to drupal is always |
| 21:27 | 'burn it, burn it with fire!' | |
| 21:27 | so im not the best person to ask about that :-) | |
| 21:28 | but i suspect the answer is yes | |
| 21:28 | seanb | lol! if i were using two separate servers, it would be a non-issue |
| 21:29 | since koha already has a virtual host on port 80, i can't complete the drupal installation | |
| 21:29 | rangi | ahh so it appears it's drupal that wont play nice, wants to be the only site on the server? |
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| 21:30 | mtj | ftw , ive setup koha and drupal vhosts, on the same box... |
| 21:30 | seanb | not necessarily. i think normally it doesn't have to worry about other virtual hosts. i just lack the expertise to create a named virtual host for drupal |
| 21:30 | not hard, i'm sure. i just don't have the info on the top of my head | |
| 21:31 | mtj, i have a koha package installation and I have unpacked drupal | |
| 21:31 | i can look up how to do it, but it would great to get pointed in the right direction | |
| 21:32 | not sure how to setup the named virtual host for drupal so that it can work in parallel with koha | |
| 21:34 | pastebot | "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "drupal" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/420 |
| 21:34 | rangi | hi kyleh |
| 21:34 | mtj | ;) |
| 21:35 | wizzyrea | do you have the namevirtualhost directive in your config? |
| 21:35 | * wizzyrea | hasn't read the backlog |
| 21:37 | jcamins | namevirtualhost? |
| 21:37 | apache? | |
| 21:37 | wahanui | hmmm... apache is the ram hog |
| 21:37 | jcamins | Not quite what I was going for. |
| 21:37 | Oh well. | |
| 21:37 | druthb | lulz |
| 21:39 | seanb | thanks! |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea, are you talking about ports.conf? | |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | afaik you can stick it anywhere apache reads config info from. I've seen it in ports.conf before |
| 21:41 | seanb | that statement is in there |
| 21:42 | oh. it's commented out | |
| 21:42 | #NameVirtualHost *:80 | |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | try uncommenting it :) |
| 21:44 | and restarting apache. | |
| 21:45 | and you do have DNS set up for your two virtualhosts, right? | |
| 21:48 | seanb | nope. i'm using rackspace. i copied my existing koha server into a new server to test it with drupal. no dns. will i be able to test this using just the ip address? |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | technically that's not how name virtual hosts work |
| 21:49 | seanb | bah, i suppose not |
| 21:51 | jcamins | seanb: you can edit /etc/hosts manually. |
| 21:51 | wizzyrea | but you do have to have a name for it, somewhere. |
| 21:52 | seanb | ah. so i can put whatever dns name i want into /etc/hosts, as long as it resolves to the same ip address? |
| 21:53 | jcamins | wizzyrea: of course, just use drupal.mydomain.com, koha.mydomain.com, and intra.koha.mydomain.com |
| 21:54 | You could even use an invalid domain name. | |
| 21:54 | * jcamins | goes to get his first load of veggies from the CSA. :D |
| 21:54 | seanb | i need to do a csa at some point |
| 21:54 | * wizzyrea | too |
| 21:54 | wizzyrea | but what would I do with all of that kale! |
| 21:54 | seanb | chips! |
| 21:55 | i'm not clear on how an invalid dns entry will allow me to get to drupal through apache | |
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| 22:06 | Brooke | o/ |
| 22:06 | rangi | hi Brooke ltns |
| 22:06 | Brooke | gold farming the shizznit outta Diablo, but the servers are down, alas. |
| 22:15 | slef | @later tell cait no I'm not around. That's great though :) |
| 22:15 | huginn` | slef: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:53 | rangi | interesting |
| 22:57 | jcamins_away | Kale chips? TIRTMI |
| 22:58 | rangi | heh |
| 23:02 | * rangi | tests something |
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| 23:04 | eythian | http://www.magneticboots.com/BIN_ME/starWalls.gif |
| 23:06 | @later tell magnus_waffles yeah, I'll be not too far away from YAPC::EU, hoping to make it. | |
| 23:06 | huginn` | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:08 | eythian | @later tell magnus_waffles ah actually, your link is something different. I don't know that I'll be able to make it to Norway at that time. |
| 23:08 | huginn` | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
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