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| 00:01 | melia left #koha | |
| 00:03 | chris_n | those must be some good waffles magnus_waffles |
| 00:04 | rangi | heh i think he fell asleep on them |
| 00:06 | * chris_n | has some baby-fell-asleep-in-plate pics of his children |
| 00:06 | rangi | heh |
| 00:08 | jcamins_away | chris_n: I think there's a picture of me sound asleep in a birthday cake when I was about two. |
| 00:08 | chris_n | lol |
| 00:09 | * chris_n | tries to imagine magnus asleep in a plate of waffles :-) |
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| 00:13 | Space_Librarian | o/ |
| 00:14 | rangi | hi Space_Librarian |
| 00:15 | Space_Librarian | heya! When are you off? |
| 00:16 | rangi | sunday evening |
| 00:16 | Space_Librarian | awesome |
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| 00:50 | seanb | anybody have experience running koha and drupal on the server? looking to cut some troubleshooting steps... |
| 00:50 | *same server | |
| 00:51 | rangi | same people here as last time you asked :-) |
| 00:51 | seanb | just checking :) |
| 00:51 | rangi | you might want to try the mailing list, did you read what mtj posted too? |
| 00:51 | seanb | this is purely an apache issue, so maybe you can point me in a healthy direction? |
| 00:52 | rangi | yep |
| 00:52 | seanb | i did read mtj paste and used it |
| 00:52 | rangi | https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/ |
| 00:52 | seanb | and i am now using dns for my test server, for a proper test |
| 00:53 | the problem is that no matter what i type for the subdomain in the url, it only hits the drupal site | |
| 00:53 | i already have that help page up :) | |
| 00:53 | on vhosts | |
| 00:54 | rangi | https://httpd.apache.org/docs/[…]l#namevirtualhost |
| 00:54 | seanb | that one too |
| 00:54 | rangi | well thats the answer there |
| 00:54 | seanb | by adding a vhost for drupal, i was able to bring it up. but now i can't access koha, which isn't addressed in the apache help files |
| 00:55 | the way koha is implemented, i'm not real clear on that | |
| 00:55 | rangi | its a virtual host too |
| 00:55 | 2 of them in fact in one file | |
| 00:55 | seanb | yup |
| 00:56 | rangi | theres nothing more to it than that |
| 00:56 | seanb | but after adding a vhost for drupal, i can no longer surf to the koha instance |
| 00:56 | rangi | yes |
| 00:56 | and its most likely because you dont have a namevirtualhost entry | |
| 00:57 | seanb | but if both named vhosts reference the same ip address and have the correct ServerName entries, then it should work... at least to my knowledge |
| 00:57 | rangi | if you haev a namevirtualhost entry |
| 00:58 | seanb | oh wait. i don't |
| 00:58 | i found that entry sitting in ports.conf, but that didn't seem right. so i was going to put it in httpd.conf | |
| 00:59 | but i didn't | |
| 00:59 | because i forgot | |
| 01:06 | and that solved it | |
| 01:07 | thank you very much for the equivalent of "did you check to make sure it was plugged in?" | |
| 01:08 | rangi | its always best to ask the easy questions first |
| 01:08 | cos 90% of the time, thats what it is :) | |
| 01:08 | seanb | indeed |
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| 01:54 | druthb | o/ |
| 01:54 | Space_Librarian | \o |
| 01:54 | druthb | ! |
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| 02:40 | eythian | is it possible to make Koha have the first fine at $1, the next at $3, the next at $5, etc. |
| 02:40 | I could see doing $2, $4, $6, but not how to start with an odd number | |
| 02:58 | rangi | yeah thats a tricky one |
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| 03:40 | Amit_Gupta | hyea bag |
| 03:49 | rangi around?? | |
| 03:49 | rangi | yep |
| 04:02 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 04:03 | Oak | ah. ChanServ means we cannot talk about other stuff now? |
| 04:03 | kia ora #koha | |
| 04:03 | rangi | hm? |
| 04:03 | Oak | -ChanServ- [#koha] Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org |
| 04:03 | :) | |
| 04:03 | rangi | yep |
| 04:03 | Oak | or was it always there? |
| 04:03 | rangi | not the other thing that people sometimes think is koha |
| 04:04 | Oak | what other thing? :) |
| 04:21 | Amit_Gupta | heya Oak |
| 04:21 | Oak | heya Amit_Gupta |
| 04:21 | wahanui | i heard Amit_Gupta was from Nucsoft Osslabs |
| 04:22 | Amit_Gupta | heya wahanui yes i am |
| 04:22 | 4? | |
| 04:22 | ? | |
| 04:23 | Space_Librarian | ignore the bot Amit_Gupta. :) |
| 04:23 | Oak | i'm not a bot |
| 04:23 | Space_Librarian | no Oak, you're not. :) |
| 04:24 | Oak | i know |
| 04:24 | :) | |
| 04:24 | eythian | I've never seen Oak and wahanui in the same room together, so how do you know? |
| 04:24 | Space_Librarian | but are you a philosopher dreaming you're a hobbit? |
| 04:24 | or a hobbit with too much pipeweed? | |
| 04:24 | And eythian makes an excellent point. How would we know? | |
| 04:24 | Oak | oh man. i better run |
| 04:25 | if cait were here, she would have defended me | |
| 04:25 | Space_Librarian | it's alright, we know it's you. |
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| 05:23 | cait joined #koha | |
| 05:23 | cait | hi #koha |
| 05:23 | zioha joined #koha | |
| 05:24 | Space_Librarian | hey cait |
| 05:24 | cait | hi Space_Librarian :) |
| 05:26 | Oak_ | guten morgen cait |
| 05:29 | cait | hi Oak_ :) |
| 05:37 | francharb joined #koha | |
| 05:37 | cait | hi francharb :) next week? |
| 05:38 | francharb | hi cait! yep! next week! |
| 05:38 | cait | yay! |
| 05:38 | francharb | :) |
| 05:52 | magnuse | kia ora #koha! |
| 05:52 | @wunder boo | |
| 05:52 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (7:20 AM CEST on May 30, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:53 | magnuse | well, it was under 3 and sleet half an hour ago... |
| 05:54 | eythian | magnuse: thems some long waffles, magnuse |
| 05:54 | magnuse | yeah, all night waffle party! |
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| 06:45 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:48 | cait | hi reiveune :) |
| 06:48 | ... and bbl :) | |
| 06:48 | reiveune | hi cait :) |
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| 07:00 | Oak joined #koha | |
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| 07:07 | magnuse | Oak |
| 07:07 | Oak | magnuse :) |
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| 07:07 | magnuse | :-) |
| 07:08 | mib_pzd2m8 | Hello! |
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| 07:09 | Amit_Gupta | Bug 8166 |
| 07:09 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8166 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, amit.gupta, Needs Signoff , Adding new currencies & exchange rates if not fill any field it save blank record |
| 07:11 | gaetan_B joined #koha | |
| 07:12 | gaetan_B | bonjour :) |
| 07:13 | mib_pzd2m8 | When I try log in koha, I get error: Software error: Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /opt/perl5/lib/site_perl/5.16.0/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/DBI.pm line 2054. koha-opac-error_log http://pastebin.com/PW0x9YpB Thank you in advance for help! |
| 07:14 | Amit_Gupta | heya gaetan_B |
| 07:14 | wahanui | gaetan_B is working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat or a fan of icons |
| 07:14 | gaetan_B | hi Amit_Gupta :) |
| 07:14 | kf | mib_pzd2m8: which version of Koha are you using? |
| 07:15 | mib_pzd2m8 | koha-3.8.1 |
| 07:15 | kf | is this a new installation? did you update from a previous version? did it ever work? |
| 07:16 | mib_pzd2m8 | it's new. I can log in in admin panel 8080 |
| 07:18 | http://pastebin.com/nhZ6qvEC /usr/share/koha/misc/koha-install-log | |
| 07:18 | kf | did you change settngs recently? |
| 07:18 | there is a CAS error - is this feature activated? | |
| 07:19 | ah, the paste was the logs, and the error on login is different? | |
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| 07:22 | mib_pzd2m8 | in broweser when log in Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /opt/perl5/lib/site_perl/5.16.0/x86_64-linux-thread-multi/DBI.pm line 2054. in /var/log/koha/koha-opac-error_log http://pastebin.com/PW0x9YpB CAS disable in admin panel, I show you config file now |
| 07:23 | paul_p joined #koha | |
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| 07:25 | rangi | Check the borrower has an expiry date set |
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| 07:26 | mib_pzd2m8 | http://pastebin.com/jU2pZ2d7 koha-conf.xml |
| 07:27 | how check? please | |
| 07:29 | I'm sorry, I just do not know much English | |
| 07:31 | mysql> SELECT * FROM borrowers; Empty set (0.00 sec) | |
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| 07:33 | rangi | mib_pzd2m8: the first thing you should do after logging into the admin side, is create a borrower and give it permissions and then use it to login from then on |
| 07:33 | mib_pzd2m8: what is your native language? | |
| 07:33 | paul_p | good morning #koha |
| 07:34 | mib_pzd2m8 | Russia |
| 07:34 | rangi | hmm im not sure if the manual has been translated into russian yet |
| 07:34 | Amit_Gupta | heya paul_p |
| 07:35 | mib_pzd2m8 | wiil try create borrower |
| 07:35 | rangi | http://manual.koha-community.o[…]dstaffpatron.html |
| 07:38 | mib_pzd2m8: we should make it say a better error but the cause of it is, that the admin user isnt a real user, and so doesnt have an expiry date set | |
| 07:38 | mib_pzd2m8 | Oh |
| 07:38 | now read and try | |
| 07:38 | rangi | mib_pzd2m8: we do have some russian speakers who use koha |
| 07:39 | but in the ukraine | |
| 07:39 | kf | rangi++ |
| 07:40 | rangi | if you get stuck you could email the koha-translate mailing list, and ask on there if any russian speakers could help |
| 07:40 | mib_pzd2m8 | not scary, it is possible in English, I'm just slow reply (read) |
| 07:41 | rangi | ahh, i bet you read english much faster than i can read russian :) |
| 07:41 | hi paul_p | |
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| 07:52 | kf joined #koha | |
| 07:52 | kf | back |
| 07:53 | rangi | wb kf |
| 07:54 | Oak | wb :) |
| 07:55 | kf | :) |
| 07:59 | magnuse | wb kf |
| 08:09 | rangi | how many weeks now magnuse ? |
| 08:10 | mib_pzd2m8 | :) A huge THANK YOU! Should just read the instructions (or ask advice) |
| 08:10 | rangi | mib_pzd2m8: all working now? |
| 08:12 | mib_pzd2m8 | yes, but still have some error in log koha-opac-error_log http://pastebin.com/3LScTruH |
| 08:12 | clrh | When Owen wakes up generally? |
| 08:12 | (hello :) | |
| 08:13 | magnuse | rangi: 4 weeks yesterday (but od course, only 5% arrive on the due date...) |
| 08:13 | rangi | yep .. kahu was 5 weeks early |
| 08:13 | magnuse | rangi: oops ;-) |
| 08:14 | rangi | clrh: not before i go to sleep .. so not in the next 2-3 hours |
| 08:14 | clrh | so maybe in 4 or 5 hours I can see him ? ;) |
| 08:14 | magnuse | clrh: i'd guess 4 hours |
| 08:14 | mib_pzd2m8 | this error important? |
| 08:15 | clrh | great thansk :) |
| 08:15 | rangi | mib_pzd2m8: i think its just a noisy warn, don't think you need to worry about that |
| 08:15 | mib_pzd2m8 | THANK YOU! thank you! thank you! THANK YOU! |
| 08:16 | I'll go read the manual more carefully | |
| 08:16 | rangi | :) |
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| 08:17 | mib_pzd2m8 | Goodbye, good luck! |
| 08:20 | rangi | thats a 1/100 success rate |
| 08:20 | :) | |
| 08:20 | * rangi | very rarely manages to help a mibbit user |
| 08:26 | magnuse | rangi++ |
| 08:27 | slef | :) |
| 08:46 | magnuse | sekjal++ |
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| 10:10 | Oak | oleonard++ |
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| 10:22 | slef | bloody paypal now apparently asking me to choose between breaking UK law or doing unfeasible amounts of work to regain access to the kohacon12 donations... trying to avoid it... not happy |
| 10:22 | kf | :( |
| 10:22 | and hi slef | |
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| 10:23 | slef | kf: I left cait a message but I think you have not got it yet. |
| 10:23 | thanks for the updates to programme | |
| 10:24 | kf | np |
| 10:26 | Oak | we can all write emails to paypal individually protesting this. slef you prepare the draft, we all email. :) crazy idea huh. |
| 10:29 | slef | Oak: how about doing that from KohaCon if they've not fixed it by then? The co-op has good credit at our real banks, so I think we can finance it until something like 20th July if we must. |
| 10:29 | Oak: but they are being a massive PITA | |
| 10:30 | Oak | hmm. we can wait till then. |
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| 10:41 | rangi | paul_p: http://gerrit.workbuffer.org:8080/#/ if you register there |
| 10:41 | you can have a play | |
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| 11:31 | kf | slef: still around? |
| 11:39 | slef | kf: yes intermittently for next 20mins or so |
| 11:39 | kf | ah |
| 11:40 | only wanted to ask if the other speakers did confirm? | |
| 11:40 | hi jcamins :) | |
| 11:40 | jcamins | Good morning. |
| 11:40 | magnuse | hiya jcamins |
| 11:42 | slef | kf: not yet, still emailing them. |
| 11:42 | kf: no further concellations TTBOMK though | |
| 11:42 | kf | ttbomk? |
| 11:42 | have mercy with me ok? | |
| 11:46 | magnuse | ttbomk is To The Best Of My Knowledge |
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| 11:46 | magnuse | (according to teh googlez) |
| 11:48 | kf | :) |
| 11:57 | slef | heh, sorry, moving too fast |
| 11:57 | IOTTMCO | |
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| 12:10 | magnuse | iottmco is probably Intuitively Obvious To the Most Casual Observer |
| 12:10 | IOTTMCO? | |
| 12:10 | wahanui | IOTTMCO is probably Intuitively Obvious To the Most Casual Observer |
| 12:11 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 12:11 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 4.0°C (2:00 PM CEST on May 30, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Rising). |
| 12:12 | magnuse | guess "light rain" is a euphemism for something between hail and sleet |
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| 12:16 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:16 | magnuse | kia ora oleonard |
| 12:16 | * magnuse | whispers "he's here!" to clrh |
| 12:17 | clrh | yeah! he's here! |
| 12:17 | ^^ | |
| 12:17 | * jcamins | passes out the celebratory strawberries. |
| 12:18 | magnuse | let the party begin! |
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| 12:18 | Joubu | hi |
| 12:18 | wahanui | hey, Joubu |
| 12:19 | oleonard | I'm right on time too! |
| 12:21 | clrh | oleonard: I don't want to take to much time but I wanted to talk to you and other of one work we are beginning |
| 12:21 | oleonard | Okay |
| 12:21 | paul_p | rangi = I like gerrit ! |
| 12:21 | clrh | this discussion can be followed by julian_m Joubu asaurat and francharb |
| 12:21 | and paul_p | |
| 12:22 | a customer ask us to do a full design integration for opac-detail and opac-results | |
| 12:22 | it is not only 2 colors ;) | |
| 12:23 | we would like to avoid specific theme and specific patches for this custome | |
| 12:23 | r | |
| 12:23 | and begin to talk about this with you seems a go step | |
| 12:23 | what about you? | |
| 12:24 | oleonard | I don't know what you mean by "full design integration" |
| 12:24 | francharb | hi oleonard |
| 12:25 | clrh | oleonard: I'll show you just a minute |
| 12:28 | https://depot.biblibre.com/che[…]ique_opac_MAJ.pdf | |
| 12:30 | jcamins | You want to make Koha look like that? |
| 12:30 | clrh | we don't know exactly what to do in how many days :) |
| 12:30 | I think we can't do everything | |
| 12:31 | jcamins | I think you are right. :) |
| 12:31 | clrh | but begining to work on opac structure to provide a more themable structure could be a good thing |
| 12:32 | my first first quesion was to ask if you heard about similar initiative | |
| 12:32 | jcamins | +infinity! |
| 12:32 | clrh | :) |
| 12:32 | kf | not sure structure is the problem :) I mean there will always be some limitations |
| 12:32 | magnuse | themability++ :-) |
| 12:33 | oleonard | It may be possible that we can do some things to increase flexibility, but I agree with kf that there will always be limitations |
| 12:33 | clrh | of course... |
| 12:33 | kf | hm some nice ideas there |
| 12:33 | clrh | there is a lots of "koha curstomisations" behind |
| 12:34 | kf | clrh: is this only a picture or does it exist somewhere? |
| 12:34 | francharb | kf, just a picture |
| 12:34 | clrh | we have pictures elements and color |
| 12:34 | but the work to do is integration ;) | |
| 12:35 | jcamins | kf: I think there are some structural issues with the results page. The checkboxes, numbers, descriptions, and cover images are in table cells with no identification. |
| 12:35 | That's the big one I noticed. You have to resort to :first-child, that sort of thing. | |
| 12:35 | clrh | julian_m: and Joubu began to list features or specific behaviour and classify if it can be done in xslt, css, templates or if it is a new feature |
| 12:36 | kf | clrh: yes, I think a mix of all |
| 12:37 | clrh | jcamins: can you reword this: (don't understand) You have to resort to :first-child, that sort of thing. |
| 12:38 | jcamins | Sure. |
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| 12:40 | jcamins | If you want to modify the layout of a record on the results page, it's difficult because you can't use CSS to, for example, shift the checckbox. You have to use jQuery with the selector "tr td:first-child" |
| 12:42 | julian_m | jcamins, about the search results table, we thinked about replacing table,tr,td... by a list of <div> because it could be much more customizable |
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| 12:42 | julian_m | what do you think? |
| 12:42 | jcamins | julian_m++ |
| 12:43 | * jcamins | doesn't have the expertise to do it, but if it can be done, thinks it would be a great idea. |
| 12:46 | julian_m | what's your opinon on this oleonard ? kf ? |
| 12:46 | kf | I am not sure about the consequences of that change |
| 12:46 | owen might know | |
| 12:49 | magnuse | fwiiw, i'm with jcamins: if it can be done, it's a great idea |
| 12:49 | oleonard | sorry, got called away from my desk. reading back. |
| 12:50 | I think looking at a new grid system to help replace that table would be very beneficial | |
| 12:51 | I haven't had the time to work on that project myself. I still think the Bootstrap grid is a good candidate to try. | |
| 12:51 | I could even be that adding the Bootstrap grid is a possibility without (or before) doing a full OPAC template restructuring | |
| 12:51 | francharb | oleonard, bootstrap is css framework right? |
| 12:52 | oleonard | Bootstrap includes a CSS grid and javascript tools, but I was looking only at the grid |
| 12:52 | chris_n | what about jquery's theme system? |
| 12:52 | oleonard | jquery doesn't have a grid system |
| 12:52 | The theme system is for changing the look of jqueryUI widgets | |
| 12:53 | * chris_n | is pretty ignorant about these things so keep that in mind :-) |
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| 13:00 | julian_m | oleonard, bootstrap is great but i don't see it can help us to provide more customization in koha |
| 13:01 | i don't see *how* it can help | |
| 13:01 | oleonard | julian_m: It can provide structure for a non-table search results page if that's what you're looking for |
| 13:02 | I don't really see how we can provide more customization in Koha without setting up a system to change the position of elements via system preferences or something like that | |
| 13:02 | We always end up getting down to template changes or heavy lifting with jQuery | |
| 13:04 | magnuse | i was wondering if it could be possible to have two layers of templates: one lower layer for the nitty gritty details of rendering things, and an upper layer for positioning things relative to each other. but that might not be feasible at all... |
| 13:05 | oleonard | I don't know how you'd make it work, but I think that's a reasonable idea |
| 13:05 | julian_m | oleonard, imo the goal (ideally) is to provide as much customization as possible using only a custom css and custom xslt. For example at the moment we cannot change easily the design of opac header with pure css |
| 13:06 | oleonard | julian_m: I agree. |
| 13:06 | However, I think there are a lot of limitations to designing with pure CSS when it comes to positioning minor elements | |
| 13:09 | I'm not objecting to any particular changes, just feeling pessimistic that there is a perfect solution. I welcome any good ideas but don't have many myself today. | |
| 13:11 | julian_m | i agree there is no perfect solution, but i'm sure there's a much better solution |
| 13:14 | sekjal | I think we need to codify and rigourize the variables that can be expected on each page. If those don't change frequently, then managing custom templates is less of a problem |
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| 13:35 | magnuse | @wunder Narsarsuaq |
| 13:35 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Narsarsuaq, Greenland is 21.0°C (10:50 AM WGST on May 30, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 23%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:35 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 13:35 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (3:20 PM CEST on May 30, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:35 | magnuse | hm... |
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| 13:44 | drojf | good day #koha |
| 13:45 | * drojf | drafts talk for edinburgh |
| 13:46 | kf | hi drojf :) |
| 13:46 | drojf | hi kf :) |
| 13:46 | * kf | installs koha in vb on her new computer |
| 13:46 | drojf | new computer? nice |
| 13:46 | kf | at work |
| 13:47 | drojf | ah ok. still nice ;) |
| 13:49 | is the koha website really slow/ unresponsive or is it just me? | |
| 13:49 | oleonard | Slow for me too drojf |
| 13:50 | drojf | database error now |
| 13:50 | better hit f5 a lot, that will help ;) | |
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| 13:54 | kf | hm |
| 13:54 | looks like wiki mail is broken? | |
| 13:55 | drojf | the website is back though |
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| 13:56 | * wizzyrea | just fixed the website, nice of you to notice ^.^ |
| 13:56 | drojf | :) |
| 13:56 | magnuse | wizzyrea++ |
| 13:56 | drojf | wizzyrea++ |
| 13:56 | kf | drojf: you are talking to me encrypted |
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| 13:58 | Oak | wizzyrea++ |
| 14:09 | kf | wizzyrea++ |
| 14:09 | websites? | |
| 14:09 | hosting? | |
| 14:09 | wahanui | Koha Support Providers can be found at http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ |
| 14:10 | kf | hm, that's not what I was looking for |
| 14:10 | wizzyrea | and good morning, btw |
| 14:10 | oleonard | web sites? |
| 14:10 | * oleonard | shrugs |
| 14:10 | wizzyrea | website administration? |
| 14:10 | nope. Lol. | |
| 14:10 | kf | administration? |
| 14:10 | jcamins | administrators? |
| 14:10 | kf | I thoguht slef taught him |
| 14:10 | jcamins | folk with the keys to the kingdom? |
| 14:10 | drojf | admins? |
| 14:11 | meh | |
| 14:11 | magnuse | caratakers? |
| 14:11 | wizzyrea | website administration is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]te_Administration |
| 14:11 | kf | website administration is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]te_Administration |
| 14:11 | wizzyrea | LOL |
| 14:11 | kf | jinx |
| 14:11 | wah. | |
| 14:11 | magnuse | website administration? |
| 14:11 | wahanui | i guess website administration is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]te_Administration |
| 14:11 | jcamins | website administration? |
| 14:11 | wahanui | website administration is, like, at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]te_Administration |
| 14:11 | * kf | takes it back |
| 14:13 | jcamins | solr demo? |
| 14:13 | solr demo is at http://catalogue.solr.biblibre.com/ | |
| 14:13 | magnuse | yay |
| 14:13 | jcamins | Uh-oh. |
| 14:13 | clrh: the solr demo doesn't appear to be working. | |
| 14:14 | It says "Error: Bad request! help message ?" when I enter in a keyword. | |
| 14:14 | * magnuse | replicates |
| 14:15 | hdl1 | jcamins: maybe needs some reindexing |
| 14:15 | drojf | oh yes i had the same problem a while ago. forgot to tell anyone :( |
| 14:15 | stupid brain | |
| 14:17 | jcamins | hdl1: the authorities browser doesn't work, either. |
| 14:17 | hdl1: error about hashrefs. | |
| 14:17 | clrh | jcamins: I'll have a look |
| 14:17 | solr can be down | |
| 14:18 | jcamins: it works for me | |
| 14:18 | wich url please? | |
| 14:18 | jcamins | http://catalogue.solr.biblibre[…]earch.pl?q=russie |
| 14:20 | clrh | jcamins: because it moves http://catalogue.solr-demo.bib[…]q=russie&filters= |
| 14:20 | moved | |
| 14:20 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 14:20 | Thanks. | |
| 14:20 | forget solr demo | |
| 14:20 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot solr demo |
| 14:20 | jcamins | solr demo is http://catalogue.solr-demo.biblibre.com/ |
| 14:20 | clrh: that works. :D | |
| 14:20 | Thanks! | |
| 14:20 | I'll update the wiki. | |
| 14:21 | clrh | 03/05/2012 14:16 <- mail on koha-devel |
| 14:21 | sorry for the trouble | |
| 14:21 | jcamins | No problem. |
| 14:23 | I updated the wiki so those of us who can't remember will see the correct URL. :) | |
| 14:24 | magnuse | jcamins++ |
| 14:25 | jcamins | Okay, I need opinions. |
| 14:26 | I need to add more authority search options to the OPAC. | |
| 14:26 | Oak | jcamins++ |
| 14:26 | jcamins | (Preferred heading, any heading, and keyword [what we have now]) |
| 14:26 | kf | gmcharlt: ping |
| 14:27 | clrh | thx |
| 14:27 | kf | jcamins: perhaps make it optional? I think it would be overwhelming for our libraries |
| 14:27 | jcamins | kf: yes, that wasn't the opinion. |
| 14:27 | kf | jcamins: I got positive feedback about the simple interface now |
| 14:27 | jcamins | I already planned that. |
| 14:27 | kf | cool :) |
| 14:27 | sorry then | |
| 14:27 | jcamins | kf: the problem is that the library in question is planning on loading several *million* authority records. |
| 14:27 | So they need to be able to search more precisely. | |
| 14:28 | magnuse | yay! :-) |
| 14:29 | kf | jcamins: makes sense, but glad we don't have to do that |
| 14:29 | jcamins | The opinion I need is "add different boxes, or add a dropdown that says 'in keyword, main entry, any heading." |
| 14:31 | Oak | by boxes you mean checkboxes> |
| 14:31 | jcamins | I'm thinking adding a dropdown at the end of the line would make sense. |
| 14:31 | They don't need to do sophisticated boolean searching, they just need the ability to specify that they only want records where the heading is X (as opposed to notes). | |
| 14:32 | No, textboxes. | |
| 14:32 | Oak | ah |
| 14:32 | jcamins | Like we have in the authority plugin right now. |
| 14:32 | I think that's kind of daunting. | |
| 14:32 | Oak | http://baymard.com/blog/drop-down-usability |
| 14:32 | kf | yeah |
| 14:33 | it's also creating problems | |
| 14:33 | because you can't combine them really, can't you? | |
| 14:33 | jcamins | Right. |
| 14:33 | Well, you can, but it's really hard to do so in a meaningful way. | |
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| 15:07 | slef | wahanui: sysadmins? |
| 15:07 | wahanui | i guess sysadmins is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]te_Administration |
| 15:07 | jcamins | Oh my. |
| 15:08 | Word to the wise: do not look at opac/opac-authoritiesdetail.pl | |
| 15:08 | slef | gmcharlt: thd-away: can you check that the wiki is sending out confirmation emails? (see kohalists today) |
| 15:08 | jcamins: I think I spotted opac/opac-tags.pl appearing to repeat code that is in C4 today, but I didn't want to know (kohacon to do!) so didn't look too closely. | |
| 15:09 | @seen gmcharlt | |
| 15:09 | huginn` | slef: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 1 day, 17 hours, 20 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> huzzah |
| 15:09 | slef | @seen thd |
| 15:09 | huginn` | slef: thd was last seen in #koha 6 days, 19 hours, 45 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: * thd runs off to work |
| 15:09 | slef | @later tell gmcharlt please can you check that the wiki is sending out confirmation emails? (see kohalists today) |
| 15:09 | huginn` | slef: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:09 | Joubu | bye |
| 15:09 | slef | @later tell thd please can you check that the wiki is sending out confirmation emails? (see kohalists today, I also asked gmcharlt ) |
| 15:09 | huginn` | slef: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:09 | jcamins | slef: probably the same code. |
| 15:11 | Eww. | |
| 15:11 | It generates links in the Perl. | |
| 15:16 | Huh. Actually, it doesn't generate links at all. Go figure. | |
| 15:23 | Okay, now it generates links. | |
| 15:29 | kf | jcamins: I thik if you toss the file out and rewrite it it's probably best :P |
| 15:29 | jcamins: and the part of it that lives in C4 too | |
| 15:29 | jcamins | lol |
| 15:29 | kf | jcamins: it has untranslatable strings! |
| 15:29 | jcamins: it's outputting html | |
| 15:29 | it's evil | |
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| 15:31 | jcamins | Does anyone have a demo with AuthDisplayHierarchy enabled and working? |
| 15:33 | hdl1 | jcamins: http://biblio.nantes.archi.fr/[…]l.pl?authid=45099 |
| 15:33 | kf | ? |
| 15:33 | hdl1 | here you are. |
| 15:33 | jcamins | hdl1++ |
| 15:33 | Thanks! | |
| 15:33 | kf | I didn't even know that existed :) |
| 15:34 | hdl1 | kf: it is quite Unimarc specific. But works quite nicely |
| 15:34 | s/nicely/fairly/ | |
| 15:34 | (not so cute in fac) | |
| 15:34 | fact even | |
| 15:35 | kf | :) |
| 15:35 | I trust in jcamins to make authorities awesome | |
| 15:44 | jcamins | unimarc authorities? |
| 15:44 | unimarc? | |
| 15:44 | wahanui | well, unimarc is http://www.ifla.org/en/publica[…]ted-documentation |
| 15:45 | jcamins | Good enough. :) |
| 15:47 | hdl1: a UNIMARC authority can only have one 2xx field at a time, right? | |
| 15:47 | magnuse: around? | |
| 15:48 | hdl1 | jcamins: it is supposed to be so... |
| 15:48 | It may have more than one though | |
| 15:48 | for translitteration purpose | |
| 15:49 | jcamins | hdl1: hmmm... well, I guess it's not so hard to handle that. |
| 15:49 | Maybe. | |
| 15:53 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
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| 16:15 | jcamins | hdl1: what is a 4xx field with a subfield 2 specified in an authority record? |
| 16:16 | I can't figure out if that's a reference saying "use this other authority instead," or a reference saying "use this authority instead of this other authority." | |
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| 16:16 | hdl1 | $2 Subject system code |
| 16:16 | mib_7iphba | How can I search using the Library of Congress Catalog Card number in z39.50? |
| 16:17 | jcamins | hdl1: oh, so that's a reference to a different authority file? |
| 16:17 | hdl1 | jcamins: http://archive.ifla.org/VI/3/p[…]ll.htm#CONTROLSUB |
| 16:18 | jcamins | Hm. This is better than the document that I had. |
| 16:18 | Thanks. | |
| 16:18 | hdl1 | $2 is only a name of the reference .... Like Rameau |
| 16:18 | It is old standard. | |
| 16:18 | but still quite usefull | |
| 16:19 | jcamins: what you want is rather $5 | |
| 16:19 | (relation) | |
| 16:20 | jcamins | hdl1: I figured out what $5 meant. |
| 16:20 | I was trying to understand some old code in C4::AuthoritiesMarc::BuildSummary. | |
| 16:21 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "the code in question" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/423 |
| 16:22 | hdl1 | $2 contains the name or code of the thesausrus it is originated from |
| 16:22 | $2 rameau | |
| 16:22 | $2 LCSH | |
| 16:22 | $2 MASH | |
| 16:22 | s/MASH/MESH/ (end of day here) | |
| 16:23 | for instance | |
| 16:23 | jcamins | Hm. So that's to make sure it only shows references from other authority files. |
| 16:25 | hdl1 | jcamins: *nod... It is really old code that may have been quite specific for one network of libraries |
| 16:25 | one could remove the id $field->subfield('2') condition | |
| 16:26 | jcamins | Okay. I will do that. It makes it more inline with the MARC21 code. |
| 16:28 | *in line | |
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| 16:52 | mib_7iphba | How can I search using the Library of congress catalog card number? |
| 16:52 | jcamins | mib_7iphba: what do you mean? |
| 16:52 | mib_7iphba | in Z39.50 |
| 16:52 | For example | |
| 16:53 | I have in my hands "The reader's companion to World Literature." | |
| 16:53 | jcamins | Control number. |
| 16:53 | mib_7iphba | yes. |
| 16:53 | But when I search for it | |
| 16:53 | it doesn't show up | |
| 16:53 | jcamins | It may be that the library you are searching doesn't support that. |
| 16:53 | mib_7iphba | The library of Congress? |
| 16:54 | jcamins | Did you try it with LC? |
| 16:54 | Okay, that's not it. | |
| 16:54 | mib_7iphba | Yes. |
| 16:54 | jcamins | I do that all the time. |
| 16:54 | mib_7iphba | Dashes are zeros, correct? |
| 16:55 | jcamins | No, dashes are ignored. |
| 16:55 | I think. | |
| 16:55 | * jcamins | tries. |
| 16:55 | jcamins | Interesting. |
| 16:55 | It doesn't work. | |
| 16:55 | mib_7iphba | Ignoring the dashes gets another book |
| 16:56 | And when I do find my book by the title, | |
| 16:56 | the catalog number shows up under LCCN | |
| 16:56 | correctly listed | |
| 16:56 | with dashes as 0s | |
| 16:57 | * jcamins | doesn't use LCCNs when copy cataloging from Koha, so had never noticed that it doesn't work. |
| 16:58 | mib_7iphba | It works apparently when I enter it in RAW |
| 16:58 | jcamins | The box is missing. |
| 16:58 | There used to be an option to search by LCCN, but it's not there anymore. | |
| 16:58 | I'd just go with raw for now. | |
| 16:58 | mib_7iphba | is there a way to add a new MARC field to my Z39.50? |
| 16:58 | jcamins | The problem is the interface. |
| 16:58 | All the code is already there. | |
| 16:59 | mib_7iphba | Is it not the "Control No."? |
| 16:59 | jcamins | You'd have to use either jQuery or edit the templates manually. |
| 16:59 | mib_7iphba | I presumed that was short for LCCN |
| 17:00 | jcamins | No, that searches something else. |
| 17:00 | I thought it was, too. | |
| 17:00 | mib_7iphba | What is the template for the z39.50? |
| 17:00 | jcamins | cataloguing/z3950_search.tt |
| 17:01 | Unless you are comfortable with programming, I cannot stress enough what a bad idea it is to modify the templates directly. | |
| 17:01 | mib_7iphba | I can rename and replace |
| 17:01 | that way I keep the old template as a backup | |
| 17:02 | I presume it is PHP? | |
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| 17:02 | jcamins | No. |
| 17:02 | Koha is written in Perl. | |
| 17:02 | The templates are written in Template::Toolkit. | |
| 17:03 | mib_7iphba | Right. |
| 17:03 | Well. | |
| 17:03 | I will take a look at it. | |
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| 17:17 | oleonard | Isn't everything written in PHP? |
| 17:17 | Oak | funny |
| 17:17 | Hola cait | |
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| 17:18 | mib_odnodf | I think I solved the lccn issue |
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| 17:23 | jcamins | Hmmm... guess it's still too early for rangi. |
| 17:23 | mib_odnodf | No luck. Thought I had. |
| 17:23 | I can't seem to find what displays the elements | |
| 17:23 | jcamins | I want a T::T filter that is entirely T::T |
| 17:23 | mib_odnodf | I understand the pearl easy enough |
| 17:24 | jcamins | mib_odnodf: it's probably called z3950_search.tt |
| 17:24 | slef | @marc 952 |
| 17:24 | wahanui | The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_fields_%289xx%29 |
| 17:24 | huginn` | slef: unknown tag 952 |
| 17:25 | mib_odnodf | I have z3950_search.pl? |
| 17:26 | jcamins | mib_odnodf: that's the Perl. In htdocs there is going to be a template. |
| 17:27 | mib_odnodf | Ah |
| 17:27 | I see | |
| 17:27 | Thanks! | |
| 17:30 | Got it! | |
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| 17:43 | * drojf | got a lonely planet edinburgh in the mail o/ |
| 17:44 | slef | edinburgh's a planet now? |
| 17:44 | cait, mjkaye: we need to change travel plans! ;-) | |
| 17:44 | drojf | yes it is :P |
| 17:45 | mjkaye | lol |
| 17:46 | cait | :) |
| 17:56 | slef | kohacon meeting in 3+ mins |
| 17:56 | * cait | waves |
| 17:57 | * slef | waves back, bemused |
| 17:59 | * drojf | watches cait and slef waving |
| 17:59 | slef | cait: are you chairing? |
| 17:59 | * slef | waves at drojf |
| 17:59 | cait | I can |
| 17:59 | only forgot how to start the bot again | |
| 17:59 | #startmeeting | |
| 17:59 | wahanui | if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
| 17:59 | huginn` | Meeting started Wed May 30 17:59:54 2012 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 17:59 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | |
| 17:59 | * drojf | waves back |
| 18:00 | slef | it's #startmeeting (nice try at tricking me) |
| 18:00 | cait | welcome to the last kohacon12 volunteer's meeting |
| 18:00 | please introduce yourself with #info | |
| 18:00 | slef | last IRC one before we start anyway ;) |
| 18:00 | #topic Introductions | |
| 18:00 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 18:00 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany |
| 18:00 | slef | heh, huginn` ignores me |
| 18:00 | cait | #topic introductions |
| 18:00 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 18:00 | Topic for #koha is now introductions | |
| 18:00 | slef | #info MJ Ray, software.coop, Somerset... no, wait, that was last week... Norfolk, England |
| 18:01 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany |
| 18:01 | mjkaye | #info Michael J Kaye, software.coop, slef's colleague. |
| 18:01 | cait | jcamins? |
| 18:01 | wahanui | jcamins is an outstanding cook, well-traveled and brilliant, trying to think of a solution, or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra or an authorities expert |
| 18:01 | slef | wahanui? |
| 18:01 | wahanui | slef? |
| 18:01 | slef | wahanui: are you OK? |
| 18:01 | wahanui | i haven't a clue, slef |
| 18:02 | drojf | #info Mirko Tietgen, HU Berlin, just curious |
| 18:02 | slef | wahanui: awww, never mind, have a botsnack. |
| 18:02 | wahanui | thanks slef :) |
| 18:02 | cait | slef: do you want to give as a short update? |
| 18:02 | slef | cait: shall we go for Roadmap or start to questions? |
| 18:02 | cait | #Roadmap to KohaCon12 |
| 18:02 | slef | straight to questions... ahem |
| 18:02 | #topic... | |
| 18:02 | cait | #topic Roadmap to KohaCon12 |
| 18:02 | Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to KohaCon12 | |
| 18:03 | slef | #info Email summary sent to volunteers about 2 hours ago |
| 18:03 | #info One error in it... should have said about 80 registrations. | |
| 18:03 | cait | yay! |
| 18:04 | slef | #info It's probably a tie for what has taken most time this week, between preparing for printing and trying to get Paypal to release our donations. |
| 18:04 | #info Thanks to cait, rangi, kyleh, jcamins and my colleagues mjkaye and mle_ for their help and work this week. | |
| 18:05 | cait | slef++ # for all his hard work and battling paypal |
| 18:05 | slef | Any questions? Anyone not seen that email who wants to see it? |
| 18:05 | cait | slef: do you have an idea of how many people will attend the hackfest? |
| 18:06 | slef | cait: not right now. That will be revealed as part of preparing the attendee lists. |
| 18:06 | cait | ok |
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| 18:06 | slef | I can see if the IMAP server will let me query it |
| 18:06 | cait | is there something we can help with? |
| 18:07 | slef | ask other questions while I do that :) |
| 18:07 | cait | I think for now the schedule should be ok |
| 18:07 | so for conference, is there something you need help with on site? | |
| 18:08 | most of us arrive monday I think so should be possible to be around a bit earlier helping with things | |
| 18:08 | slef | #info IMAP server claims 38 people for hackfest |
| 18:08 | cait | oh nice |
| 18:09 | slef | To be frank, part of the problem is that it was something like 12 years since I last co-organised a conference and I only had a small role then and we usually used expensive event managers so I probably don't know what needs doing on the site. |
| 18:09 | techbee | Hello all , have installed koha on virutal machine but wen i try to access web access it redirect to maintenance.pl |
| 18:09 | slef | #idea please put any suggestions into http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]aCon12_Volunteers |
| 18:10 | #info (suggestions for what needs to be at the event, that is) | |
| 18:10 | cait | perhaps mle does know more? |
| 18:10 | slef | techbee: hi. Can you give us a few minutes (20 max I think) to finish the meeting? |
| 18:10 | cait | like if the chairs and all will be set already or if we have to move stuff? set up a registration desk? |
| 18:10 | this kind of things | |
| 18:10 | techbee | sure slef |
| 18:11 | cait | mle_: around? :) |
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| 18:11 | slef | cait: probably mle_ knows more. I think chairs will be site, but some stuff will need moving, including setting up a registration desk. |
| 18:11 | chairs will be set up, even | |
| 18:11 | cait | if we have room and tables, some tables like in nz would be nice |
| 18:11 | slef | dyslexia + autocomplete = gibberish |
| 18:12 | cait | in the back for people blogging and twittering |
| 18:12 | slef | I think mle_ will be here next on Friday. |
| 18:12 | Yes, it looks like we will have room for that... | |
| 18:13 | cait | ok, so perhaps you can send a mail when you know |
| 18:13 | slef | If I remember right, the max for the talks room without tables is 120, and we may lose 10 or 20 for the registration. |
| 18:13 | cait | and we can be there earlier |
| 18:14 | slef | mjkaye: don't suppose you fancy reading the case file for SC #2612 to see if it says? ;-) |
| 18:14 | * mjkaye | looks |
| 18:14 | cait | ok, no more questions from me |
| 18:15 | slef | OK, I think no-one else has any? |
| 18:15 | let's give mjkaye a minute though | |
| 18:15 | and anyone else can ask if they think of any | |
| 18:16 | and I can grovel for not testing the projector yet | |
| 18:16 | I'll do that as soon as this meeting is finished | |
| 18:16 | I have it right here by my desk | |
| 18:17 | cait | #action slef, mle_ or mjkaye to mail the mailing list if volunteer's can help with somethong on site or before the event |
| 18:17 | slef | and paul_p offered to bring one too |
| 18:17 | which would be helpful | |
| 18:17 | jwagner | slef, any word on remote presentation plans? |
| 18:18 | mjkaye | I can see that we said we wanted room for 120 people, but can't find confirmation yet. |
| 18:18 | slef | jwagner: we'll definitely have some sort of inbound link for that, as I understand it. I'm still less sure what sort of outbound link for the audience we have. |
| 18:19 | mjkaye: ok, no matter. | |
| 18:19 | mjkaye: one of us should call them, else dump it on mle on Friday ;) | |
| 18:20 | jwagner: as to exactly what software, I don't know. I suppose if we do have two projectors, then we could have slides on one, presenter on other. | |
| 18:21 | jwagner | OK, thanks. Will need enough advance notice to install & test whatever connection software you want to use. |
| 18:22 | slef | jwagner: expect you and jcamins to get cc'd on an email about connection software Real Soon Now |
| 18:22 | jwagner | OK |
| 18:23 | cait | ok, I think we can wrap up the meeting here? |
| 18:23 | as this is the last meeting before KohaCon - I will skip the last topic :) | |
| 18:23 | #endmeeting | |
| 18:23 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.8.1 and 3.6.5 Now Available | Koha Community Website - http://www.koha-community.org/ | General IRC meeting, 13 June 2012 at 18:00 UTC+0 | |
| 18:23 | huginn` | Meeting ended Wed May 30 18:23:45 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 18:23 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-05-30-17.59.html | |
| 18:23 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]2-05-30-17.59.txt | |
| 18:23 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]30-17.59.log.html | |
| 18:24 | slef | aw I was going to say Monday 6pm Library Bar ;) |
| 18:24 | techbee: so, you were asking? | |
| 18:25 | cait | slef: sorry! |
| 18:25 | mjkaye left #koha | |
| 18:25 | techbee | slef: yes, i am not sure about issue but when i try to web access after installation it redirects to maintance.pl |
| 18:26 | http://208.117.46.227:8080/cgi[…]ha/maintenance.pl | |
| 18:26 | slef | cait: never mind. |
| 18:27 | techbee: you need to run the web installer on the librarian interface first | |
| 18:27 | techbee: you might find that on :8000 | |
| 18:27 | or not | |
| 18:27 | check your koha-httpd.conf to find the other VirtualHost | |
| 18:29 | techbee | i did set both to 8080 , should i define other port |
| 18:30 | slef | ah no |
| 18:30 | not necessarily | |
| 18:30 | you need to call the other one by its ServerName then | |
| 18:31 | assuming you have a suitable NameVirtualHost 208.117.46.227:8080 | |
| 18:31 | then apache will select between them based on which ServerName you use | |
| 18:31 | wahanui: VirtualHosts? | |
| 18:31 | wahanui | wish i knew, slef |
| 18:31 | slef | wahanui: VirtualHost? |
| 18:31 | wahanui | i think VirtualHost is http://httpd.apache.org/docs/trunk/vhosts/ |
| 18:32 | slef | techbee: wahanui just gave a link for a general guide, but this is a webserver setup problem more than a koha one. |
| 18:32 | techbee: The Right Way To Do It depends on what "It" is for you. | |
| 18:33 | techbee | VirtualHost configuration: wildcard NameVirtualHosts and _default_ servers: *:80 vps42092.mylogin.co (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default:1) *:8080 is a NameVirtualHost default server vps42092.mylogin.co (/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/kidasia:4) port 8080 namevhost vps42092.mylogin.co (/etc/apache2/sites-ena |
| 18:33 | apachectl -S output | |
| 18:34 | not sure what's problem here? | |
| 18:38 | jcamins | techbee: the problem is that you aren't using name-based virtual hosts. |
| 18:38 | If you want to have them on the same port, you have to access them by *name*. | |
| 18:38 | Alternatively, you can put them on different ports. | |
| 18:42 | wizzyrea | does anyone out there use autoblogo? |
| 18:44 | * oleonard | can't even look up what it is because the site is down |
| 18:45 | wizzyrea | O RLY |
| 18:45 | techbee | thanks jcamins it worked |
| 18:45 | * wizzyrea | was wondering because it's doing some irritating things in regards to fetching feeds from k-c.org |
| 18:45 | wizzyrea | and I was wondering who out there was using it |
| 18:46 | jcamins | techbee: glad to hear it. |
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| 19:01 | slef | wizzyrea: is it hammering tags? |
| 19:01 | wizzyrea | no, it's requesting the full feed every 5 seconds |
| 19:01 | or some nonsense. | |
| 19:05 | slef | ow |
| 19:05 | we had someone hammering tags on our servers, I know not why | |
| 19:07 | jcamins | cait: where do the horrid untranslateable bits appear, other than the cataloguing plugin, the authorities module, and the OPAC? |
| 19:08 | cait | isn't that enough? |
| 19:08 | :) | |
| 19:08 | I think you covered it with those, not aware of other places | |
| 19:08 | we don't do much with authorities yet, so it has not spread | |
| 19:10 | jcamins | That's good. :) |
| 19:21 | cait: is there a bug about the strings being untranslateable? | |
| 19:21 | cait | yes |
| 19:21 | give me a second to find it | |
| 19:22 | bug 7943 | |
| 19:22 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7943 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Untranslatable strings in OPAC's authority search |
| 19:24 | oleonard | Speaking of which, Bug 7599 |
| 19:24 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7599 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Cart JavaScript contains untranslatable English strings |
| 19:24 | jcamins | Bug 7943 is perfect, thanks. |
| 19:25 | @query autocomplete | |
| 19:25 | huginn` | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5481 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Replace YUI JS libraries with Jquery UI |
| 19:25 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7747 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Replace YUI autocomplete with jQueryUI | |
| 19:25 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7400 enhancement, P3, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Master , Add auto-completion on auth_finder | |
| 19:25 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5009 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , add autocomplete="off" to borrowernumbers and barcode forms | |
| 19:25 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5180 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Autocomplete broken on overdues report | |
| 19:31 | rangi | Morning |
| 19:32 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "cait: bug 7943" (15 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/424 |
| 19:32 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7943 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Untranslatable strings in OPAC's authority search |
| 19:32 | * jcamins | will attach it to the bug as soon as it works. |
| 19:34 | cait | morning rangi |
| 19:34 | :) | |
| 19:34 | wizzyrea | mornin |
| 19:35 | jcamins | I have a question. |
| 19:35 | Authority autocomplete. | |
| 19:35 | cait | ? |
| 19:35 | rangi | No |
| 19:35 | jcamins | Do we really want all the information about see from references to show up? |
| 19:36 | cait | I am not sure |
| 19:36 | jcamins | The way I use it, it'd make a lot more sense if it just gave me the heading. |
| 19:36 | cait | but I wondered that myself |
| 19:36 | rangi | I stand by my answer |
| 19:36 | cait | I think the heading |
| 19:36 | and the thing that made it show up in search would be nice | |
| 19:36 | jcamins | cait: hahahaha. |
| 19:36 | cait | what? |
| 19:36 | it's an honest wish :) | |
| 19:36 | serious? | |
| 19:36 | jcamins | Choose one! :P |
| 19:36 | cait | my brain is tired |
| 19:37 | jcamins | You should go to sleep so you can get up early to do accounting. |
| 19:37 | cait | you can do magic, why can't you do that? |
| 19:37 | now you are being mean *sniff* | |
| 19:37 | I think it was once possible for normal search | |
| 19:38 | it used to show you what matched | |
| 19:38 | jcamins | I could do that, but it falls under the heading of "things that would take so much time that someone would ahve to be paying for it." :( |
| 19:38 | cait | it would be nice having that :) |
| 19:38 | jcamins | have, even |
| 19:38 | cait | ok, enh request then |
| 19:38 | but it would be nice, right? :) | |
| 19:39 | jcamins | It would be very nice. |
| 19:39 | I'm going to go with the heading-only option. | |
| 19:39 | If the BibLibrans feel that it's better with everything I'll add that, but I'd just as soon not add any T::T processing to the autocomplete. | |
| 19:42 | rangi | Bywater++ |
| 19:42 | * rangi | checks sponsors page |
| 19:43 | cait | jcamins: don't get the autocomplete part |
| 19:43 | can you explain? | |
| 19:43 | jcamins | cait: what do you mean? |
| 19:43 | cait | what you said about autocomplete |
| 19:44 | jcamins | That I'd prefer not to add any T::T processing? |
| 19:44 | Right now we just use "print" | |
| 19:44 | cait | hm |
| 19:44 | are you doing a better detail display? | |
| 19:44 | because i was just thinking that I killed the detail display, so without the see/seealso in the list, there is no way to see them | |
| 19:45 | jcamins | Right now I'm just modifying the search result display. |
| 19:45 | cait | but the existing marc display.... is really not good for users in opa |
| 19:45 | jcamins | Wait, there used to be a detail display? |
| 19:45 | cait | c |
| 19:45 | a marc style detail display | |
| 19:45 | ugly | |
| 19:46 | jcamins | cait: oh, yeah, we need a nice one. |
| 19:48 | rangi | Hmm 4 cello on this bus now |
| 19:48 | wizzyrea | like, stringed instrument cellos? |
| 19:48 | or… something else | |
| 19:49 | rangi | Yeah that |
| 19:49 | wahanui | somebody said Yeah that was fine as it is |
| 19:49 | rangi | Music students |
| 19:50 | oleonard | Cello bus flash mob |
| 19:51 | cait | jcamins: so I am ok with removing if oyu manage to add a user friendly detail display |
| 19:53 | rangi | My stop bbiab |
| 19:56 | slef | hi rangi. Gave you a shout-out during the kohacon meeting. |
| 20:00 | rangi | back |
| 20:00 | oh? | |
| 20:00 | * rangi | reads back |
| 20:00 | rangi | ah :) |
| 20:02 | jcamins | You know, I'm just going to squash the two patches together. |
| 20:07 | RA joined #koha | |
| 20:30 | oleonard | Okay, I think the jQueryUI tabs patch is just about ready |
| 20:30 | rangi | wooo |
| 20:30 | oleonard | On to datepickers next! |
| 20:30 | rangi | oleonard++ |
| 20:30 | and then nosepickers! | |
| 20:31 | * rangi | resorts to 3year old humour |
| 20:31 | oleonard | Yesterday when I dragged my 3yo's finger out of her nose she told me seriously, "it's okay I wasn't going to eat it" |
| 20:32 | wizzyrea | ^^ is epic. |
| 20:33 | oleonard | And with that I bid you good night! |
| 20:33 | cait | good night oleonard :) |
| 20:39 | rangi | http://computerworld.co.nz/new[…]rademark-defended |
| 20:41 | wizzyrea | oo good article |
| 20:41 | cait | yep nice |
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| 20:56 | mib_ail2yz | How can I change the default Koha cataloging framework to something other than default |
| 21:04 | jcamins | "Autolocation independent venues"? |
| 21:04 | Don't think I've ever heard of that. | |
| 21:05 | rangi | hmm |
| 21:05 | might be a translation thing | |
| 21:05 | but you can restrict by ipnumbers there is a syspref for that | |
| 21:05 | lemme find it | |
| 21:05 | Autolocation it is called | |
| 21:06 | in the administration tab | |
| 21:06 | jcamins | Ah, guess that's what the problem is, then. |
| 21:06 | Or has something to do with it. | |
| 21:06 | rangi | i bet they need that switched to don't require or specify the ip ranges when setting up the library |
| 21:06 | i bet they turned it on | |
| 21:08 | mib_ail2yz | How can I change the default cataloging framework for after a z3950? |
| 21:08 | jcamins | mib_ail2yz: I don't think you can. |
| 21:08 | I may be mistaken, though. I don't use frameworks. | |
| 21:09 | mib_ail2yz | What do you use |
| 21:09 | ? | |
| 21:10 | jcamins | mib_ail2yz: the default framework. |
| 21:10 | wahanui | i think the default framework is ok in this case |
| 21:11 | mib_ail2yz | I'm going to try to inspect the element and trace it back, I guess |
| 21:12 | jcamins | The first question? |
| 21:12 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" |
| 21:16 | mib_ail2yz | yes. |
| 21:16 | the first question | |
| 21:16 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" |
| 21:16 | jcamins | mib_ail2yz: that was for you. |
| 21:17 | (the first question) | |
| 21:20 | mib_ail2yz | Wait, |
| 21:20 | what? | |
| 21:21 | jcamins | mib_ail2yz: I was wondering what problem you were trying to solve. |
| 21:21 | @quote search typo | |
| 21:21 | huginn` | jcamins: 2 found: #135: "rangi: $tempate->{VARS}->{'LoginBranchname'} -..." and #82: "<pianohack> nengard: If you were using a..." |
| 21:23 | mib_ail2yz | I am trying to get the framework to default to BKS |
| 21:24 | jcamins | mib_ail2yz: right, why? |
| 21:24 | There must be a reason you decided it was important enough to dive into the code when I said I didn't think it could be done. | |
| 21:25 | wizzyrea | mib_ail2yz: it might be able to be done with jquery ,but I haven't tried it. |
| 21:26 | koha itself doesn't let you specify a different default framework than the default (that I am aware of) | |
| 21:26 | mib_ail2yz | right, |
| 21:26 | I am just trying to make life easier on our catalogers | |
| 21:26 | wizzyrea | speaking from experience, they will learn. |
| 21:26 | mib_ail2yz | And am not daunted by PERL |
| 21:26 | They have | |
| 21:26 | it's an efficiency thing | |
| 21:27 | wizzyrea | power to ya then. |
| 21:27 | mib_ail2yz | I'm almost there |
| 21:27 | Now, | |
| 21:27 | jcamins | mib_ail2yz: my experience has always been that catalogers get irate if you start taking away the less common fields. |
| 21:27 | :) | |
| 21:28 | mib_ail2yz | The first option is listed as BKS |
| 21:28 | but acts like default | |
| 21:28 | unless I switch to another framework | |
| 21:28 | and then back | |
| 21:28 | in which case | |
| 21:28 | it acts like BKS | |
| 21:28 | jcamins | Default is the framework with the id ''. |
| 21:29 | mib_ail2yz | I can't change that ID, can I? |
| 21:30 | jcamins | Not easily. |
| 21:31 | * wizzyrea | states the obvious "you could always make your default framework just like your BKS" |
| 21:31 | wizzyrea | using export - import |
| 21:31 | mib_ail2yz | Rookie to koha. |
| 21:32 | jcamins | wizzyrea: yeah, but then you'd lose your Default framework, which would be awful. |
| 21:32 | wizzyrea | or |
| 21:32 | you export the default | |
| 21:32 | make a new framework | |
| 21:32 | import the default into that | |
| 21:32 | then overwrite the default | |
| 21:32 | then you lose nuthin. | |
| 21:32 | :P | |
| 21:33 | jcamins | Fair enough. |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | I mean, *I haven't tried it* |
| 21:33 | *try it at your own risk* | |
| 21:33 | meaning: don't do it on production | |
| 21:33 | mib_ail2yz | :D |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | consider yourself warned >.> |
| 21:33 | :D | |
| 21:34 | I have, however, done the whole "export a framework, edit it, then reimport it" thing | |
| 21:34 | and that works quite well. | |
| 21:34 | mib_ail2yz | I wish I had just a tiny bit more experience with perl |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | in all truth, probably easier to work with the tools koha gives you |
| 21:35 | though admittedly it's fun to hack around on koha | |
| 21:35 | rangi | editing the perl is pretty much a bad idea UNLESS you send your changes upstream |
| 21:35 | wizzyrea | ^^^^^^^^^ |
| 21:35 | what he said. | |
| 21:35 | rangi | koha does 6 monthly feature releases, and more importantly 1 month bug and security releases |
| 21:36 | wizzyrea | upgrades are ouchy if you have local changes. |
| 21:36 | rangi | local changes, make it hard to do that |
| 21:36 | mib_ail2yz | I haven't updated at all |
| 21:36 | jcamins | ... and it's generally a good idea to keep your system at least somewhat up-to-date because we can't help all that much with old versions, simply because we don't have copies installed. |
| 21:37 | Also, security and bug fixes are considered a good idea to keep current on. ;) | |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | plus … gah I'm too slow. |
| 21:37 | we fix lotsa stuff | |
| 21:37 | out of curiosity, what version are you running? | |
| 21:38 | mib_ail2yz | Let me check |
| 21:39 | wizzyrea | more -> about koha |
| 21:40 | mib_ail2yz | 3.06.04.000 |
| 21:40 | I was looking about some other things | |
| 21:40 | wizzyrea | decently up to date :) |
| 21:40 | jcamins | Okay, only one version behind is good. :) |
| 21:40 | mib_ail2yz | My koha is mostly default |
| 21:41 | 3.8 is out? | |
| 21:41 | jcamins | When you said "I haven't updated at all," I was picturing 3.0.0. ;) |
| 21:41 | 3.8.1. | |
| 21:41 | And 3.6.5. | |
| 21:41 | The 3.6.x line will be maintained until 3.10 is released. | |
| 21:41 | mib_ail2yz | I only added that LCCN box to the z39.50. That's a crime that it's not default |
| 21:41 | and my OPAC is customized | |
| 21:41 | jcamins | mib_ail2yz: you should file a bug and submit your patch. |
| 21:42 | mib_ail2yz | for the LCCN? |
| 21:42 | jcamins | I'd sign off on it so it could get into Koha proper. |
| 21:42 | Yup. | |
| 21:42 | mib_ail2yz | How can I do that? |
| 21:42 | cait | I think it used to be there? |
| 21:42 | jcamins | Clearly it was supposed to be there, but it vanished. |
| 21:42 | cait: yeah, all the code is there. | |
| 21:42 | cait | I remember repairing tha tfor someone once |
| 21:42 | jcamins | cait: not sure why it disappeared, since it's useful. |
| 21:42 | bugs? | |
| 21:42 | wahanui | i think bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too. |
| 21:42 | cait | or I thought that was that lccn thing |
| 21:42 | jcamins | cait: it probably was. |
| 21:43 | mib_ail2yz: report a bug at bugs.koha-community.org. | |
| 21:44 | We have a page on getting started developing for Koha on the wiki. | |
| 21:44 | Let me find it. | |
| 21:45 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]pment_Environment | |
| 21:45 | cait | bug 5092 |
| 21:45 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5092 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, katrin.fischer, RESOLVED FIXED, No results when searching by LC Call Number: in Z39.50 Server |
| 21:46 | jcamins | cait: oh, that's LC call number. |
| 21:46 | cait | and what is lccn? |
| 21:46 | mib_ail2yz | Catalog number |
| 21:46 | cait | hm |
| 21:46 | which field is that in marc? | |
| 21:46 | and is it only for loc? | |
| 21:47 | jcamins | 010 |
| 21:47 | cait: it's used for cataloging-in-publication. | |
| 21:48 | mib_ail2yz | the perl syntax is incorrect, is all |
| 21:48 | and so it's not in the template | |
| 21:48 | presumably because it wasn't working. | |
| 21:48 | wizzyrea | patch! |
| 21:48 | version control using git? | |
| 21:48 | wahanui | version control using git is probably at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 21:48 | wizzyrea | ^^^ see here |
| 21:48 | jcamins | Also eythian's detailed instructions on setting up a VM which I linked earlier. |
| 21:49 | mib_ail2yz | Wait, what? |
| 21:49 | wahanui | Wait, is it only in items? |
| 21:49 | mib_ail2yz | I am listing more than at bugs.koha-community? |
| 21:50 | wizzyrea | you don't have to, but if you have a patch to fix a problem |
| 21:50 | we'd love to have it | |
| 21:50 | mib_ail2yz | I do. |
| 21:50 | Where can I put that | |
| 21:50 | wizzyrea | you can attach the patch to your bug |
| 21:50 | mib_ail2yz | ok |
| 21:51 | wizzyrea | and probably you'll want to email it to koha-patcheslists.koha-community org (after registering for that list) |
| 21:52 | cait left #koha | |
| 21:53 | mib_ail2yz | list? |
| 21:53 | wahanui | i guess list is not ready yet =) |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | koha-patches is a listserv you have to be a member of |
| 21:53 | lists? | |
| 21:53 | wahanui | lists is probably a good idea |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | hrmph. |
| 21:53 | koha lists? | |
| 21:53 | * wizzyrea | scowls at wahanui |
| 21:54 | wizzyrea | koha mailing lists? |
| 21:54 | koha mailing lists are found at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ | |
| 21:54 | now he'll know what to say :P | |
| 21:54 | forget list | |
| 21:54 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot list |
| 21:54 | wizzyrea | forget lists |
| 21:54 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot lists |
| 21:57 | * jcamins | heads out to an event. |
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| 22:01 | mib_ail2yz | Can I add more than one attatchment? |
| 22:07 | eythian | yes |
| 22:10 | mib_ail2yz | Patch posted and emailed. |
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