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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:01 | rangi | mtj++ |
| 00:04 | melia left #koha | |
| 00:05 | mtj | so, 'signed-off' == 'passed-qa' , in BZ? |
| 00:07 | rangi | hmm signed-off = signed-off |
| 00:07 | if you mean the status in bugzilla | |
| 00:08 | if you just qaed them though, and add a git sign off, and the status was signed-off before, you can switch it to passed-qa now | |
| 00:08 | was that what you meant? | |
| 00:08 | mtj | hmm, i cant find the 'pased-qa' status ? |
| 00:09 | rangi | whast the current status? |
| 00:10 | mtj | i can see the 'failed qa' option |
| 00:10 | current status is 'needs signoff' | |
| 00:10 | tho, that status is poss. incorrect | |
| 00:10 | rangi | had the patches all been signed off before you signed off on them? |
| 00:11 | mtj | yes |
| 00:11 | by jcamins | |
| 00:11 | rangi | you'll have to go signed off, then passed qa |
| 00:11 | should be fine | |
| 00:12 | mtj | gotcha |
| 00:18 | fyi: i have a little QA script that runs a perlcritic test, on the last commit | |
| 00:18 | http://git.kohaaloha.com/?p=ko[…]git-perlcritic.pl | |
| 00:19 | rangi | cool |
| 00:19 | mtj | so for the quotes stuff - i squashed the 18 commits into 1, then ran the script |
| 00:20 | .. it passed OK, etc | |
| 00:20 | rangi | i run t/00-testcritic.t |
| 00:20 | its a pre-commit hook | |
| 00:20 | wont let me commit if it fails | |
| 00:21 | ahh the 00 ones are good to run | |
| 00:21 | ahh=all | |
| 00:21 | as a bare minimum | |
| 00:24 | mtj | oooh, thats new to me :) |
| 00:25 | rangi | plus the xt/ ones |
| 00:25 | xt/tt_valid.t | |
| 00:26 | xt/permissions.t | |
| 00:26 | as well as | |
| 00:26 | xt/author/translatable-templates.t | |
| 00:26 | mtj | i guess my method is the quick/dirty way (its only testing the files that were modded by he commit) |
| 00:27 | rangi | yep, but theres a bunch of other tests we should be doing too :) |
| 00:27 | so we dont create translation problems etc | |
| 00:28 | jenkins will catch them .. but by then .. that means at least 3 people havent run them before that point | |
| 00:28 | mtj | t/00-testcritic.t seems to skip the C4 dir? |
| 00:28 | rangi | which is a fail |
| 00:28 | yeah that dir needs to be cleaned up, everything in there is a fail | |
| 00:28 | well a lot of it, then the test switched on for there | |
| 00:29 | mtj | ah yep 'At present only the directories in @dirs will pass the tests in 'Gentle' mode ' |
| 00:29 | rangi | its unfair to fail a patch for existing errors imho |
| 00:29 | there is a standing bug for fixing errors | |
| 00:29 | when i get time i work on it | |
| 00:30 | as well as bug 4330 | |
| 00:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4330 normal, P3, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Copyright statements out of date |
| 00:30 | mtj | yes, agreed |
| 00:30 | rangi | bug 6679 |
| 00:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, P1 - high, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests |
| 00:32 | rangi | and if you want to really win bonus points |
| 00:32 | http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]heckstyleResult/? | |
| 00:32 | :) | |
| 00:35 | mtj | w0w 'Checks cyclomatic complexity' is pretty clever |
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| 00:43 | jcamins_away | mtj++ |
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| 01:21 | eythian | http://git-animals.tumblr.com/ |
| 01:27 | rangi | heh |
| 01:34 | chris_n | mtj: thanks :) |
| 02:18 | Topic for #koha is now Happy birthday rangi! Koha 3.8.1 and 3.6.4 Now Available | Koha Community Website - http://www.koha-community.org/ | General IRC meeting, 13 June 2012 at 18:00 UTC+0 | |
| 02:18 | rangi | hmm i will be on an airplane then |
| 02:19 | chris_n | use a satellite connection then ;-) |
| 02:19 | rangi | heh |
| 02:19 | chris_n | airlines should offer broadband in-flight |
| 02:20 | eythian | some of our ones do |
| 02:20 | but it's terribly expensive | |
| 02:20 | rangi | yep |
| 02:20 | insanely so | |
| 02:22 | we need gogo | |
| 02:22 | $11 us for a 24 hour pass | |
| 02:22 | virgin america does it | |
| 02:22 | http://www.gogoair.com/ | |
| 02:24 | eythian | I'm surprised someone like Singapore Air hasn't got onto a scheme like that yet. |
| 02:24 | rangi | yeah |
| 02:24 | eythian | ahh |
| 02:24 | it will work for US domestic only | |
| 02:24 | rangi | *nod* |
| 02:24 | eythian | it relays through ground stations |
| 02:25 | rangi | they plan to expand apparently its being trialled in oz too |
| 02:25 | eythian | satellite (what airnz uses) is a lot more expensive |
| 02:25 | rangi | yep |
| 02:25 | eythian | cool |
| 02:26 | rangi | i see lots of press from 2010 about singapore to offer wifi |
| 02:26 | but nothing saying they ever did | |
| 02:26 | http://www.choosynomad.com/201[…]ights-sqairlines/ | |
| 02:28 | eythian | It's the same tech as airnz, so will probably be expensive too |
| 02:29 | via Inmarsat, so low bandwidth | |
| 02:29 | rangi | yuck |
| 02:30 | eythian | was supposed to start in May last year, but I see nothing that says that it did either. |
| 02:30 | rangi | chris_n: did you get the link to the db dump? |
| 02:30 | chris_n | no, but it is probably on my computer at work |
| 02:31 | * chris_n | is home atm |
| 02:31 | rangi | ahh you need it at work or at home? :) |
| 02:31 | chris_n | work is fine |
| 02:31 | rangi | sweet |
| 02:31 | ping me again tomorrow if its not there :) | |
| 02:32 | chris_n | the bandwidth here is *very* narrow :-) |
| 02:32 | will do | |
| 02:55 | g'night | |
| 02:55 | rangi | cya later |
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| 03:21 | druthb | o/ |
| 03:22 | rangi | hi druthb |
| 03:22 | druthb | hiya, rangi. :) |
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| 04:31 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #21 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 04:48 | cait joined #koha | |
| 04:51 | cait | hi #koha |
| 04:53 | eythian | hi cait |
| 04:56 | cait | hi eythian :) |
| 04:56 | eythian | http://www.metservice.com/town[…]n/wellington-city <-- check out the forecast for the next few days here... |
| 04:56 | Sunday is going to break records | |
| 04:57 | rangi | Heh |
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| 05:10 | francharb | good morning! |
| 05:10 | rangi | Did u get any sleep? |
| 05:11 | francharb | Hi rangi |
| 05:11 | well | |
| 05:11 | I did get some | |
| 05:11 | but it wasn't good sleep... | |
| 05:11 | hehe | |
| 05:12 | I was obsessed by the migration I'm working on... | |
| 05:12 | :) | |
| 05:12 | and the project itself is getting messy... | |
| 05:12 | I need to fix that! | |
| 05:13 | rangi | Hate when that happens |
| 05:13 | francharb | me too |
| 05:15 | but in a week and a half, it's Kohacon! so I will work the more I can to get everything on track before! | |
| 05:15 | :) | |
| 05:16 | rangi | :) |
| 05:16 | Me too | |
| 05:18 | francharb | :) |
| 05:25 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #21: SUCCESS in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/21/ |
| 05:25 | * m.de.rooy: Bug 7788: [SIGNED-OFF] Remove two unused calls to GetShelf | |
| 05:25 | * m.de.rooy: Bug 7788: [SIGNED-OFF] Followup: GetShelf call in addbybiblio script corrected | |
| 05:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7788 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , Tiny problems with calling GetShelf |
| 05:26 | Amit_Gupta | Bug 5795 |
| 05:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5795 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Passed QA , Missing ReservesControlBranch system pref in database installer |
| 05:26 | Amit_Gupta | Bug 7970 |
| 05:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7970 major, P1 - high, ---, amit.gupta, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Allow OPAC holds per library policy without default rule |
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| 06:12 | magnuse | kia ora #koha! |
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| 06:27 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:27 | wahanui | hey, alex_a |
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| 06:47 | Amit_Gupta | heya hdl1 |
| 06:49 | reiveune joined #koha | |
| 06:49 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:49 | wahanui | bonjour, reiveune |
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| 06:52 | drojf | good morning #koha |
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| 07:12 | julian_m | hello |
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| 07:13 | Joubu | hi |
| 07:13 | wahanui | bonjour, Joubu |
| 07:16 | Amit_Gupta | heya Joubu |
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| 07:35 | alex_a | English question: Can i use "holdable" to say that an item can be held, or is there an other word ? |
| 07:35 | reservable ? | |
| 07:39 | francharb | :) |
| 07:40 | in other words, is there a short term for "available for hold"? | |
| 07:40 | ;) | |
| 07:40 | alex_a | yes |
| 07:40 | :) | |
| 07:41 | thx francharb | |
| 07:41 | francharb | https://www.google.fr/ |
| 07:41 | vous avez vu l'animation aujourd'hui? | |
| 07:41 | c'est en l'honneur de moog | |
| 07:41 | c'est barge | |
| 07:41 | oups | |
| 07:41 | wrong chan | |
| 07:41 | alex_a | francharb: c'est #koha ici |
| 07:42 | francharb | LOL |
| 07:42 | anyway, have you seen that you can play keboards on google home page? | |
| 07:42 | and there is a 4 track recorder too! | |
| 07:42 | awesome | |
| 07:45 | magnuse | and you can use the keyboard to play... |
| 07:46 | francharb | magnuse, and i just recorded something bad |
| 07:46 | http://g.co/doodle/7vfjsu | |
| 07:46 | ;) | |
| 07:47 | I will check this later and work on it | |
| 07:47 | magnuse | francharb: very avant garde :-) |
| 07:47 | francharb | I guess I can play something star wars song on it! |
| 07:47 | ahaha | |
| 07:47 | rangi | evening |
| 07:47 | magnuse | morning |
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| 07:48 | magnuse | now what if the koha opac logo had the possibility to play songs on it? |
| 07:48 | rangi | heh |
| 07:49 | Topdog | pls how do i backup and restore koha database.. |
| 07:50 | magnuse | Topdog: have you seen http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Backing_up_Koha ? |
| 07:50 | Topdog: the answer also depends on how you installed - did you use the debian packages? | |
| 07:53 | clrh | bugzilla is down? |
| 07:53 | Joubu | It's not just you! http://bugs.koha-community.org looks down from here. |
| 07:53 | :-( | |
| 07:53 | clrh | lol |
| 07:53 | * cjh | cant access it either :( |
| 07:54 | rangi | chriscli105-217:~$ w 07:53:52 up 407 days, 19:59, 5 users, load average: 0.02, 0.02, 0.05 |
| 07:54 | server is fine | |
| 07:54 | cjh | rangi: a linode server? |
| 07:55 | * magnuse | can't reach it either |
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| 07:55 | magnuse | Oak |
| 07:55 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
| 07:55 | magnuse | |
| 07:55 | magnuse | hah! :-) |
| 07:55 | cjh | rangi: I can ping it but nothing http |
| 07:55 | Oak | :-) |
| 07:56 | rangi | looks to be back now |
| 07:56 | Oak | next time magnuse. you'll see! |
| 07:56 | rangi | cjh: yep its my linode |
| 07:56 | cjh | rangi: yeap |
| 07:57 | yeap = its back up. | |
| 07:57 | magnuse | yup |
| 07:58 | rangi | i suspect something was hogging all the connections |
| 07:59 | Topdog | pls where do i run d script "mysqldump -u kohaadmin -p koha > mydatadump.sql" 2 backup my koha database.. |
| 07:59 | rangi | offtopic |
| 07:59 | https://code.launchpad.net/~ch[…]/koha-3.8.x-daily | |
| 07:59 | magnuse | nais! |
| 08:01 | cjh | Topdog: that is a command you run from the machine where you have mysql installed |
| 08:01 | magnuse | koha + catalyst - does that make sense? https://github.com/libsysguy/koha-catalyst |
| 08:01 | * magnuse | knows nothing about catalyst... |
| 08:03 | rangi | its a framework, uses TT, its certainly worth playing with, and you could replace modules at a time, it would help enforce MVC |
| 08:04 | magnuse | intriguing... |
| 08:04 | and it would play well with plack or similar? | |
| 08:06 | rangi | yep |
| 08:06 | wouldnt play well without some kind of persistance | |
| 08:07 | magnuse | cool :-) |
| 08:07 | oops, bbl | |
| 08:14 | Oak | guys, have a look at this please: http://library.aeu.edu.my/ and I am wondering how did the make those links like "Find Databases" at bottom, content area, or on right vertical column, "Our Services"... I mean they got Koha working like a content management system right? |
| 08:15 | did they manually create pages like "services.pl" like here: http://library.aeu.edu.my/cgi-[…]a/aeu/services.pl ? | |
| 08:16 | rangi | yep |
| 08:16 | making the links is fine, thats all in sysprefs and css | |
| 08:16 | but the actual pages, they made those themselves | |
| 08:16 | Oak | and their extension is .pl |
| 08:16 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #22 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 08:16 | Oak | what are they? HTML pages? or |
| 08:17 | rangi | cant possibly tell |
| 08:17 | Oak | pages using Koha OPAC's template |
| 08:17 | hmm | |
| 08:17 | it's very nice though. | |
| 08:17 | and this one: http://library.hauraki-dc.govt.nz/ very nice also | |
| 08:18 | rangi | thats all css and sysprefs |
| 08:18 | no koha template changes at all | |
| 08:18 | plus a few static html pages | |
| 08:18 | Oak | well, and the link here like http://library.hauraki-dc.govt[…]es/electronic.htm is a static page? |
| 08:18 | rangi | yes but thats nothing to do with koha |
| 08:18 | just a static page | |
| 08:18 | that they can edit and sftp | |
| 08:19 | * Oak | wondering how to show Koha's search bar on top of a static page |
| 08:19 | rangi | cut and paste the html |
| 08:19 | from a rendered page | |
| 08:19 | Oak | aah |
| 08:19 | rangi | its just html by the time it hits your browser |
| 08:20 | easy peasy :) | |
| 08:20 | Oak | coool |
| 08:20 | :) | |
| 08:22 | i wish i can make my OPAC cool like these two... | |
| 08:22 | i'll work on that now. | |
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| 08:24 | samuel | hi everybody :-) |
| 08:24 | rangi | hi samuel |
| 08:24 | Oak | bonjour samuel |
| 08:32 | rangi | @later tell cait tested the german translation in 3.8.1 works for me |
| 08:32 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
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| 08:54 | nikhil | hallo |
| 08:55 | i want to point a problem with koha 3.8.1 | |
| 08:56 | after searching a keyword keyword will highlight with yello color | |
| 08:59 | rangi | yes |
| 09:00 | nikhil | but when we click in the unhighlight option, the keyword highlighted will vanishes or disappear |
| 09:01 | check it out | |
| 09:02 | rangi | http://catalog.bywatersolution[…].pl?q=fish&limit=# |
| 09:02 | does it disappear here for you? | |
| 09:03 | nikhil | yes ..that version 3.8.0 i think |
| 09:04 | but the problem is with 3.8.1. | |
| 09:04 | rangi | i cant reproduce |
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| 09:06 | rangi | http://head.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/[…]c-search.pl?q=the# |
| 09:06 | thats later than 3.8.1 and not there | |
| 09:06 | nikhil | sorry ...this is opac...check staff client of 3.8.1 |
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| 09:08 | rangi | you should file a bug at bugs.koha-community.org |
| 09:08 | it will be the new css file | |
| 09:08 | nikhil | ok thank u...hope to fix soo |
| 09:09 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #22: SUCCESS in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/22/ |
| 09:09 | Chris Cormack: Bumping debian changelog | |
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| 09:10 | rangi | well once you file the bug you can then send a patch to fix it too |
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| 09:10 | vkm | hello all |
| 09:14 | Amit_Gupta | heya vkm |
| 09:14 | vkm | hello amit |
| 09:14 | you are from? | |
| 09:15 | Amit_Gupta | vkm: india |
| 09:16 | vkm | i am at iit roorkee |
| 09:16 | u r from? | |
| 09:21 | after arranzing the search result A-Z title wise, after page number 50 arrangment does not work please let me know solution/problem | |
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| 09:23 | Amit_Gupta | vkm: your name |
| 09:24 | vkm | please tell me yr place of work |
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| 09:29 | mib_wdyhhc | hello |
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| 09:33 | mib_wdyhhc | after arranzing the search result A-Z title wise, after page number 50 arrangment does not work please let me know solution/problem |
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| 09:43 | mib_wdyhhc | i noticed it is not page number 50 but arrangment disturbed from title no 1001 i.e. when we reaced alphabetically at title no. 1001 |
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| 10:03 | mib_o3rwth | hi |
| 10:03 | hi julian | |
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| 10:57 | magnus_afk | @wunder boo |
| 10:57 | huginn | magnus_afk: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0°C (12:50 PM CEST on May 23, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady). |
| 10:57 | magnus_afk | w00t! |
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| 10:57 | magnus_afk | kia ora NateC! |
| 11:09 | Amit_Gupta | heya maguns_afk |
| 11:09 | @wunder Bangalore | |
| 11:09 | huginn | Amit_Gupta: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 34.0°C (2:30 PM IST on May 23, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. |
| 11:09 | Amit_Gupta | @wunder Nagpur |
| 11:09 | huginn | Amit_Gupta: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 11:09 | Amit_Gupta | @wunder New Delhi |
| 11:09 | huginn | Amit_Gupta: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 42.0°C (4:00 PM IST on May 23, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 8%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Falling). |
| 11:10 | Amit_Gupta | @wunder Dehradun |
| 11:10 | huginn | Amit_Gupta: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 39.0°C (2:30 PM IST on May 23, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 7%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.43 in 997 hPa. |
| 11:10 | magnuse | gah! that's hot! |
| 11:10 | Amit_Gupta | hmm |
| 11:10 | in Delhi | |
| 11:10 | magnuse | and it's not even the middle of summer yet |
| 11:10 | Amit_Gupta | hmm |
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| 11:23 | vfernandes | hi guys... theres is a easy way to pass on borrowers from the deletedborrowers table to the borrower table? |
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| 11:34 | vfernandes | i need to recover one deleted borrower... |
| 11:36 | done... directly on the database :) | |
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| 11:47 | Amit_Gupta | heya druthb |
| 11:47 | druthb | Hi, Amit_Gupta. :) |
| 11:48 | magnuse | o/ |
| 11:50 | vfernandes | anyone here had done migration from Millenium to Koha? |
| 11:50 | druthb | several times, yes. |
| 11:51 | vfernandes | mysql or oracle? |
| 11:52 | druthb | The way we did it, it doesn't matter which backend they're using; we do it all with reports. |
| 11:52 | vfernandes | humm ok... MARC21 or UNIMARC? |
| 11:52 | druthb | MARC21, in our cases. |
| 11:53 | vfernandes | this week i'm starting a migration to Koha from Millenium and i doing the "state of art" |
| 11:53 | found some information incluing this presentation: http://www.slideshare.net/sekj[…]-truly-innovative | |
| 11:54 | jcamins_away | julian_m++ |
| 11:54 | vfernandes | there is also a script that creates a MARCXML with the all the records: http://contribs.koha.org/revision_view.php?rid=19 |
| 11:55 | julian_m | jcamins_away, ? |
| 11:55 | druthb | There are simpler ways than that; Ian had some pretty rough limitations on what he could do on that system. |
| 11:55 | jcamins_away | julian_m: bug 5888 |
| 11:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5888 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , opac-detail subject/author links improvements |
| 11:55 | vfernandes | druthb can I do the export on the command line? |
| 11:55 | jcamins | I was just asking about that patch yesterday or the day before, and today you rebased it against latest master! |
| 11:55 | * magnuse | waves at jcamins |
| 11:55 | * jcamins | waves back |
| 11:56 | druthb | I think there is a marc export from the command line, yes, and that's the piece that required Ian do all that extra work. |
| 11:57 | julian_m | jcamins, I hope the patch is ok this time :) |
| 11:57 | vfernandes | i only have access to the server by SSH and the server with Millenium is still running so I have to be very carefully |
| 11:58 | jcamins | julian_m: me too! I will test when I can. |
| 11:58 | Right now I have some RMainting to do. | |
| 11:58 | 3.6.5 is due out tomorrow. | |
| 11:58 | druthb | Everything else you need--item data, borrowers, current checkouts, etc--can be had via reports. We have our partner libraries run reports, and send them to us tab-delimited. |
| 11:59 | vfernandes | only biblio, items, serials and borrowers will be migrated... the current checkouts would be nice to migrate but the client didn't paid for that :D |
| 12:00 | the reports can be done by command line or only in the interfaces? | |
| 12:00 | druthb | serials is the hard part. I've never done them, so I don't know--probably in the interface. |
| 12:02 | jcamins | Sorry for the e-mail volume. |
| 12:02 | vfernandes | humm ok druthb.. thanks for the help :) i'm still studying the problem and the best way to migrate the data |
| 12:02 | druthb | :) glad to help. |
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| 12:09 | jcamins | hdl: good afternoon. |
| 12:09 | hdl: francharb mentioned that you have an authority deduplicator. Is the code for that available anywhere? | |
| 12:11 | kyleh | jcamines: can you take a look at my newest comment on bug 7804? |
| 12:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7804 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, In Discussion , Add Koha Plugin System |
| 12:12 | jcamins | kyleh: sure thing. |
| 12:14 | kyleh | jcamins: thanks! |
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| 12:24 | chris_n | g'morning |
| 12:24 | oleonard | Hi |
| 12:24 | wahanui | niihau, oleonard |
| 12:25 | Amit_Gupta | heya chris_n |
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| 12:28 | chris_n | Search.pm must be a special sort of curse |
| 12:28 | * chris_n | has found a non-trivial bug in bugzilla's Search.pm :-P |
| 12:29 | jcamins | chris_n: sounds about right. |
| 12:29 | chris_n | I used to think it was just the name of a perl module... |
| 12:30 | but that could not be further from the truth ;-) | |
| 12:31 | oleonard | jcamins++ # for bug-wrangling |
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| 12:31 | chris_n | mtj++ # for signing off on QA work |
| 12:32 | jcamins | Anything that was pushed prior to the release of 3.6 is getting closed. |
| 12:32 | * chris_n | gets spammed by bz |
| 12:33 | jcamins | chris_n: I apologized! |
| 12:33 | chris_n | jcamins++ # for doing a good job |
| 12:33 | jcamins | Only another 135 to go. |
| 12:33 | chris_n | hehe |
| 12:33 | oleonard | It's not spam, it's delicious bugzilla goodness :P |
| 12:34 | chris_n | lol |
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| 12:38 | jcamins | If others wanted to close old bugs, that would be a Good Thing. |
| 12:39 | oleonard | sorry, I only open bugs. |
| 12:39 | * oleonard | kicks over the trash can for emphasis |
| 12:42 | chris_n | jcamins: there are pre-canned reports which will return bugs addressed in most of my releases if you are interested |
| 12:42 | * chris_n | used to keep up with that sort of thing before the schedule went south |
| 12:43 | jcamins | At this point I think I'll just keep going on my march. |
| 12:44 | chris_n | probably the release note building script could be mod'ed to update the status of the bugs it touches |
| 12:44 | jcamins | No need for File::Find. |
| 12:45 | Plugins can only be stored in a plugin place. | |
| 12:45 | * jcamins | likes alliteration. |
| 12:50 | chris_n | jcamins: from his example it appeared that the plugin author would have some liberty regarding the subdir structure |
| 12:50 | ie. Koha::Plugins::Org::CCFLS::PatronsList::Step1 | |
| 12:50 | so everything beyond "Org" might vary in name and depth | |
| 12:50 | but I'm probably missing some fundamental point :-) | |
| 12:50 | jcamins | chris_n: yes, but the only directory in @INC is the parent directory. |
| 12:51 | The file will be in $plugins/Koha/Plugins/Org/CCFLS/PatronsList/Step1.pm | |
| 12:51 | chris_n | ahh... right |
| 12:51 | so why even mess with $plugins? why not dictate it from the start? | |
| 12:52 | jcamins | It's a configuration setting. |
| 12:52 | * chris_n | is totally distracted |
| 12:52 | * jcamins | too. |
| 12:52 | chris_n | what did you say perl was again? |
| 12:52 | perl? | |
| 12:54 | Perl is different things to different people | |
| 12:54 | perl? | |
| 12:54 | wahanui | it has been said that perl is different things to different people |
| 12:54 | * chris_n | is surprised wahanui did not know what perl is |
| 12:56 | gmcharlt | you'd think we didn't talk about Perl a lot in this channel |
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| 13:05 | jcamins | Well, that's all the bug wrangling I can do this morning. |
| 13:09 | magnuse | jcamins++ |
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| 13:29 | sekjal | morning, #koha |
| 13:29 | I'm QAing bug 7065. the new patch looks good, but there are some minor issues | |
| 13:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7065 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , reserves table needs a primary key |
| 13:30 | paul_p | hi sekjal |
| 13:30 | sekjal | I'm not sure if they're actually issues, or just me being pedantic |
| 13:30 | paul_p | (& #koha) |
| 13:30 | sekjal | hi, paul_p |
| 13:30 | first thing: the patch starts with DBrev = 3.08.00.XXX... easy change, but should be 3.09.00.XXX | |
| 13:31 | larger: calls the primary key "reserve_id" instead of "reservenumber", as originally spec'ed in the bug report | |
| 13:31 | not sure if that merits correction, or just a ::shrug:: and acceptance | |
| 13:31 | thoughts? | |
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| 13:39 | hdl | fwiw reserve_id is just an other new way to call ids... There are at the moment more than two different. Do we need one more ? |
| 13:40 | but do whatever you want. | |
| 13:40 | you are QA manager. | |
| 13:43 | sekjal | my changing it from reserve_id to reservenumber wouldn't improve functionality at all, and it would provide a chance for typos or missed replacements to slip in. |
| 13:44 | hdl | you asked for comments. |
| 13:44 | sekjal | lots of other tables have the _id suffix for their primary key, so it's not unprecedented. It just loses the parallelism with biblio, biblioitems, items and borrowers |
| 13:44 | * sekjal | is thinking out loud... and in doing so, convincing himself not to make the change |
| 13:44 | edveal | Is anyone out there using EZProxy and authenticating against Koha? If so can we discuss how you are doing it? |
| 13:45 | paul_p | sekjal = look at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bugs#Column_names |
| 13:45 | primary keys column name can be: id (in authorised_values table), xxxid (cityid), xxx_id (label_id), xxxId (limitId), xxxcode (branchcode), xxxnumber (borrowernumber) => choose how to name PK and update schema accordingly | |
| 13:46 | Maybe it's time to start a discussion on koha-devel for this topic !!! | |
| 13:47 | and decide something, add it to coding guidelines, and QA will be easier ! | |
| 13:47 | sekjal | some consistency would be good |
| 13:47 | paul_p | sekjal = agreed ;-) |
| 13:47 | back in a few minutes | |
| 13:47 | sekjal | but, in the interest of expediency and not introducing potential problems, I'm passing it QA |
| 13:48 | we can clean it up once we know what to clean up TO | |
| 13:48 | paul_p | sekjal = I disagree. I think it's the perfect case to start the discussion, decide something and not introduce more inconsistency ! |
| 13:49 | hdl | edveal: maybe sending an e-mail on koha-devel or koha list could be more productive. |
| 13:50 | I think jcamins_away or gmcharlt could have some experience with ezproxy though | |
| 13:50 | edveal | hdl yep I think you are right. Just thought I would try here and see. |
| 13:50 | sekjal | your call as RM. I'm not sure we'll get a clear response in any kind of reasonable timeframe, though |
| 13:50 | functionally, the patch looks good | |
| 13:51 | props to all involved (kyleh, jcamins, gmchalrt, slef, anyone I'm missing) | |
| 13:53 | paul_p | sekjal = the other option is to use the "discussion" workflow = call for discussion, time of 2 weeks, proposal, vote, decision. |
| 13:53 | kyleh | my opinion on the matter, for what it's worth is that table_id is short, and easy to read. |
| 13:54 | paul_p | my opinion on the matter is : anything except id (only "id") and "no decision" |
| 13:55 | xxxnumber is quite long but I can live with it, xxxxid or xxxx_id are equivalent, maybe _id is easier to read | |
| 13:55 | kyleh | agreed, id alone causes problems with table joins. in reality, we should prepend every field in a table, but it makes everything so much more tedious. |
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| 13:59 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
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| 14:08 | kyleh | again, I think we should move to DBIX::Class. It would make it so we rarely have to write actually SQL, and a byproduct would be database independence. |
| 14:18 | oleonard | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]BIx_Class_in_Koha |
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| 14:23 | kyleh | who wrote that? it looks good, but I get the feeling it has been there for awhile. |
| 14:23 | oleonard | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ha&action=history |
| 14:23 | * kyleh | somehow missed the history tab at the top. |
| 14:25 | * sekjal | looks forward to trying to run Koha off of SQLite |
| 14:25 | kyleh | heh : ) |
| 14:26 | hdl | or mongodb |
| 14:26 | * kyleh | just discovered Berkeley DB was purchased by Oracle. At least they can't by postgres. |
| 14:27 | jcamins_away | sekjal: I'm glad I'm not the only one looking forward to Koha on SQLite. |
| 14:27 | jcamins | edveal: no experience authenticating ezproxy against Koha, sorry. |
| 14:30 | chris_n | koha will pretty much run over Mariadb as-is |
| 14:31 | jcamins | Pretty much? Have you run into any gotchas? |
| 14:34 | edveal | thanks jcamins |
| 14:34 | chris_n | Maria is a bit stricter on syntax |
| 14:35 | I may have a branch floating around which fixes the few issues I found | |
| 14:35 | jcamins | You should file bugs. :) |
| 14:35 | Are you going to be running Maria in production? | |
| 14:36 | chris_n | not atm |
| 14:36 | there may be a bug | |
| 14:36 | its been so long since I looked at it | |
| 14:36 | the installer runs fine | |
| 14:37 | there are only a very few gotchas which arise much later iirc | |
| 14:40 | well, it appears those changes are lost... sorry | |
| 14:40 | jcamins | Oh well. |
| 14:42 | If anyone wants to do some bug wrangling, all bugs with a status of "Pushed to Master" and a version of "rel_3_6" need to be checked to see if they're already in 3.6. If they were incorporated prior to the release of 3.6.0, the bug should be closed. If after 3.6.0, a note to that effect should be made on them, and the status changed to Pushed to Stable. | |
| 14:43 | * jcamins | figured it was worth a try. |
| 14:43 | jcamins | Actually, I'd argue that any bug where the patch was pushed prior to 3.6.0 should be closed. |
| 14:44 | (if there haven't been any updates since then) | |
| 14:47 | chris_n | jcamins: aha! |
| 14:47 | bug 5366 | |
| 14:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5366 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Standing enh req for code changes enabling database agnosticism |
| 14:47 | chris_n | and... |
| 14:47 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]/heads/k_bug_5366 | |
| 14:47 | so there you are | |
| 14:47 | jcamins | Cool, thanks. |
| 14:49 | chris_n | absolutely no guarantees there |
| 14:50 | jcamins | Of course. |
| 14:50 | I won't be putting Koha with MariaDB into production any time soon. | |
| 14:52 | wizzyrea | packages for 3.8.1 - any uh, timeline for that? |
| 14:52 | guess I should ping eythian for that ansewr. | |
| 14:52 | answer* | |
| 14:53 | slef | wizzyrea: I'll compile them if you want them now. |
| 14:53 | jcamins | I guess tomorrow I'll have to figure out how to set up an apt repo. |
| 14:53 | (for 3.6.5) | |
| 14:54 | wizzyrea | slef that would be amazing. |
| 14:55 | jcamins | @later tell eythian I'll be releasing 3.6.5 tomorrow. My thought is the short-term solution for packages is for me to set up a repo under cpbibliography.com, and then put the packages in the official repo once we've figured out how to do oldstable. Make sense? |
| 14:55 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:03 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:10 | * oleonard | can't reproduce Bug 8141 |
| 15:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8141 normal, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Unhighlight option breaks keywords highlighted in staff client. |
| 15:15 | jcamins | oleonard: it's an old bug. |
| 15:15 | oleonard: I thought it was fixed. | |
| 15:16 | oleonard | I recall a similar bug |
| 15:17 | Bug 5844 | |
| 15:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5844 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Unhilight cuts off some strings |
| 15:17 | jcamins | That's the one |
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| 15:42 | jcamins | Whoah. |
| 15:42 | Google redid their search. | |
| 15:42 | I think it receives my approbation. | |
| 15:47 | magnuse: I wonder if they have any sort of API. | |
| 15:47 | Let Google figure out how to translate "Sergei Esenin" into an appropriate identifier. | |
| 15:51 | magnuse | jcamins: not sure about the api, need to do some reading... |
| 15:52 | love the title of this: http://googleblog.blogspot.com[…]h-things-not.html "things, not strings" | |
| 15:52 | jcamins | magnuse: I don't know anything about it, I just liked the results. :) |
| 15:52 | magnuse | :-) |
| 15:53 | jcamins | Cool! |
| 15:53 | slef | Got our paypal restrictions lifted and added another sponsor to http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/sponsors/ - anyone else like to be added? If so, http://koha-community.org/koha[…]soring-kohacon12/ awaits you. |
| 15:53 | magnuse | i think it's based on their microformat-ish thinger... schema.org? rich snippets? not sure either... |
| 15:53 | jcamins | Paypal restrictions? |
| 15:53 | magnuse | ooh gotta love those sponsors :-) |
| 15:53 | * magnuse | wanders off to desert |
| 15:54 | slef | jcamins: Paypal to the co-op: "give us free access to your bank account, or else" |
| 15:54 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 15:54 | slef | jcamins: so we've BOGUd |
| 15:54 | jcamins | That's absurd. |
| 15:54 | slef | welcome to banking |
| 15:55 | now we just have to hope that the co-operative bank will defend software.coop if Paypal tries to take all our money | |
| 15:56 | * oleonard | thinks he needs something non-brain-taxing to work on today... |
| 15:56 | slef | which it probably will but really, we're a gnat compared to the banking co-op's 12 million members |
| 15:57 | jcamins | slef: you couldn't set up a separate account with *just* the money for the conference? |
| 15:57 | oleonard: there's always bug wrangling. | |
| 15:57 | slef | jcamins: hahahahaahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 15:58 | jcamins | slef: what? |
| 15:58 | slef | jcamins: have you *seen* European banking security regulations? |
| 15:58 | jcamins | Nope. |
| 15:58 | slef | jcamins: I'm pretty sure it's taken us about a year to change the signatories on our current account... |
| 15:58 | jcamins | Wow. |
| 15:58 | * oleonard | scoffs at jcamins having never seen European banking security regulations |
| 15:59 | jcamins | Well, that's one (possibly the only) benefit to banking in the US. |
| 15:59 | slef | yeah... it's a tough balancing act between ease of access and ease of fraud |
| 16:00 | which reminds me, maybe I should get a new dollar credit card before I next visit the US | |
| 16:00 | seeing as how you don't even check signatures over there... much less chip and PIN | |
| 16:00 | is that still so? | |
| 16:01 | jcamins | That is, yes. |
| 16:02 | If you write "this card is stolen" on the back, you'll be able to identify those places which do check. | |
| 16:02 | oleonard | jcamins: and then you say, "Naw, just kidding?" |
| 16:03 | wizzyrea | technically signing the card = acceptance of the card terms |
| 16:03 | so people who write see ID technically don't even have the right to use the card. | |
| 16:04 | jcamins | wizzyrea: yes, but no one notices that they wrote "see ID" anyway. |
| 16:04 | wizzyrea | i know right |
| 16:04 | * oleonard | refers everyone to wizzyrea's history of performing citizens arrests for credit card fraud |
| 16:04 | * wizzyrea | flexes |
| 16:06 | jcamins | slef: you have a dollar credit card? Do you visit the US a lot? |
| 16:09 | slef | jcamins: only when I visit the US. Better exchange rate, plus I'm not trusting the USA with my main card. |
| 16:09 | jcamins: only been there once... but will visit again. | |
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| 16:09 | nengard | hello #koha - I'm in a demo |
| 16:09 | say hi to the librarians in CT :) | |
| 16:10 | * wizzyrea | waves from Kansas |
| 16:10 | slef | a demo? What do we want? |
| 16:10 | Working Library Catalogues! | |
| 16:10 | oleonard | Hi from Ohio |
| 16:10 | slef | When do we want them? |
| 16:10 | wizzyrea | NOW |
| 16:10 | slef | Well, like yesterday! |
| 16:10 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 16:10 | jcamins | Hello nengard and librarians from CT! |
| 16:10 | sekjal | greetings from MA |
| 16:10 | slef | Greetings from Somerset, England. |
| 16:10 | nengard | thank you all!! |
| 16:10 | ttyl | |
| 16:11 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 16:11 | slef | he, she wandered off before we got naughty |
| 16:11 | wahanui: nengard? | |
| 16:11 | wahanui | somebody said nengard was fast |
| 16:11 | wizzyrea | that's exactly what I was thinking.. |
| 16:11 | slef | @quote random |
| 16:11 | huginn | slef: Quote #151: "<seneca> you guys are my heroes" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, August 31, 2011) |
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| 16:11 | slef | @roulette |
| 16:11 | huginn | slef: *click* |
| 16:12 | * jcamins | was looking forward to singing the Internationale. |
| 16:20 | jcamins | wizzyrea: oleonard just posted a patch to replace YUI autocomplete with jQueryUI autocomplete. :) |
| 16:20 | wizzyrea | oooh! |
| 16:20 | * oleonard | isn't sure why he didn't mark it as needs signoff before, but an updated patch was required anyway so there you go |
| 16:24 | oleonard | I hope the reason I didn't mark it 'needs signoff' before wasn't that I knew of some horrible bug which needed to be fixed first |
| 16:24 | jcamins | wizzyrea will find it if there is one, I'm sure. :) |
| 16:26 | sekjal | oleonard: QAing bug 7932... is there a template param [% en %], and if so, where is it exported? |
| 16:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7932 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , twitter share doesn't work with socialnetworks |
| 16:26 | oleonard | sekjal: Oh, that's a typo. I thought I fixed it |
| 16:27 | I must not have attached the corrected patch. | |
| 16:27 | sekjal | it also appears to be hardcoded to https:// for the current_url |
| 16:27 | * chris_n | hands oleonard more fudge |
| 16:28 | jcamins | Fudge? |
| 16:28 | wahanui | Fudge is the ambrosia of koha. |
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| 16:29 | oleonard | sekjal: I can submit a corrected version |
| 16:29 | JoeLib001 | Where are the logs? |
| 16:29 | wahanui | the logs are at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 16:29 | oleonard | Or do you mean Koha system logs JoeLib001 ? |
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| 16:35 | sekjal | thanks, oleonard! |
| 16:35 | JoeLib001 | Ah, no. That was what I was looking for. |
| 16:35 | I probably should have a bookmark. ;-) | |
| 16:35 | jcamins | JoeLib001: that's what we use wahanui for. |
| 16:35 | Like so: | |
| 16:35 | curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies? | |
| 16:35 | wahanui | curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies are at http://www.cookiemadness.net/2[…]ate-chip-cookies/ |
| 16:36 | jcamins | Thanks, wahanui! |
| 16:36 | wahanui | jcamins: pas de quoi |
| 16:36 | JoeLib001 | Hehehe. :-) |
| 16:38 | What I am actually looking for is a way to batch edit Marc Records in Koha. I can't seem to find any. I have used MARC Edit before, but that means I would need to export all of my records and then re-import them. Would be nice, if there was a batch edit option. | |
| 16:39 | hdl | JoeLib001: there is one in bugzilla. |
| 16:39 | jcamins | There is no batch edit functionality for bib records in Koha. |
| 16:39 | There is a bug for a proposed batch edit function. | |
| 16:39 | hdl | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5725 |
| 16:39 | huginn | 04Bug 5725: enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, laurence.lefaucheur, Failed QA , Batch modifications for Biblios |
| 16:39 | JoeLib001 | I entered all of my periodicals records as "Reference" items instead of something more reasonable like "Continuing Resources". :-) |
| 16:40 | jcamins | JoeLib001: you can batch edit items. |
| 16:40 | JoeLib001 | There are no items associated with any of the records. |
| 16:40 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 16:40 | Then your best bet is exporting then reimporting. | |
| 16:41 | (and overlaying) | |
| 16:41 | JoeLib001 | I figured as much when I went looking and didn't find any information readily available. :-) |
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| 16:42 | JoeLib001 | I was hopeful though. :-) |
| 16:43 | QA is Quality Assurance? | |
| 16:43 | chris_n | mostly |
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| 16:47 | * cait | waves |
| 16:47 | JoeLib001 | Thanks for the answers. Hopefully Koha will have a built-in batch editor sometime soon. :-) That would be awesome. |
| 16:47 | jcamins | Hi cait! How's Hamburg? |
| 16:47 | cait | haven't seen much yet outside of the congress center |
| 16:47 | but good :) | |
| 16:48 | chris_n | hey cait |
| 16:48 | cait | hi chris_n :) |
| 16:48 | talljoy | jcamins, you here? |
| 16:48 | jcamins | I am indeed. |
| 16:49 | talljoy | how are ya? saw you on the program from KohaCon. look forward to seeing you again. |
| 16:49 | jcamins | I won't actually be making it to KohaCon. I'll be presenting via Skype, or possibly via slef. |
| 16:49 | :( | |
| 16:49 | talljoy | oh, bummer. |
| 16:49 | well, i'll see you digitally then. | |
| 16:49 | jcamins | Yup. :)_ |
| 16:50 | talljoy | but today...i'm getting an error when i run link_bibs_to_authorities.pl on 3.8 |
| 16:50 | jcamins | You are? |
| 16:50 | What's the error? | |
| 16:50 | talljoy | Auth error: Cannot sort according to sequence (207) Bib-q |
| 16:50 | oops Bib-1 | |
| 16:50 | jcamins | Bib-q? |
| 16:50 | Oh. | |
| 16:50 | Bib-1. | |
| 16:50 | Did you reindex? | |
| 16:50 | talljoy | lol |
| 16:50 | i did reindex the authorities and was going to try the bibs next. this is a bib issue? | |
| 16:51 | jcamins | I wouldn't have thought so. |
| 16:51 | Is there another line in the error message? | |
| 16:51 | talljoy | well, small database, it won't take me long to reindex. and no...no other information. just that one over and over and over and over |
| 16:51 | slef | jcamins: do you think you can get linphone or ekiga working with video, or using something like Bambuser with a telephone back-channel? We may have a Grade A+ uplink so I'd prefer not trying to avoid Skype making us a backbone router :-/ |
| 16:51 | jcamins | slef: sure. |
| 16:52 | talljoy: sounds like a stale configuration. | |
| 16:52 | slef | jcamins: ta. If you can coordinate with mle to test it when he gets back (on Monday IIRC), that's safest. |
| 16:52 | jcamins | talljoy: you updated the Zebra configs for authorities, right? |
| 16:52 | talljoy | stale configuration? of what? |
| 16:53 | jcamins | Zebra. authority-zebra-indexdefs.xsl, probably. |
| 16:53 | talljoy | hmmmm..... all that was done was git fetch for the new version |
| 16:53 | jcamins | Yeah, there's your problem. |
| 16:53 | talljoy | yah...sounds like it. |
| 16:53 | jcamins | Just about all the Zebra config files were changed. |
| 16:54 | etc/zebradb/marc_defs should be entirely replaced. | |
| 16:54 | etc/zebradb/authorities/etc/bib1.att should be updated | |
| 16:54 | And possibly a couple other files. | |
| 16:54 | Bug 7284 lists them. | |
| 16:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Authority matching algorithm improvements |
| 16:55 | talljoy | oh boy. a project. Thanks jcamins++ |
| 16:55 | jcamins | Of course, there will be additional changes since you're upgrading through several months. |
| 16:57 | drojf left #koha | |
| 16:57 | * jcamins | reflects again on what a good idea it would be to have dev installs use symlinks. |
| 16:58 | jcamins | Or just point directly into the git clone. |
| 16:58 | I use symlinks in mine. | |
| 17:22 | chris_n | I wish I had a nickel for every minute I sit waiting on a computer |
| 17:23 | jcamins | chris_n: me too. Especially when testing Zebra-related things. |
| 17:32 | sekjal | idea for Makefile.PL: if you chose dev install, provide an option to symlink Zebra configs on installation |
| 17:33 | jcamins | sekjal: I disagree with making it an option. |
| 17:33 | The dev install is described as "run Koha out of the git repo." | |
| 17:34 | Better to just do exactly that, IMO. | |
| 17:34 | bag | heya jcamins and sekjal |
| 17:34 | jcamins | However, other than making it optional, I am in complete agreement. :) |
| 17:34 | I even reported a bug at some point. | |
| 17:34 | Hi there, bag. | |
| 17:34 | sekjal | hi, bag |
| 17:35 | jcamins: I like options, myself... especially with as rarely as one does an install v. maintenance | |
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| 17:37 | jcamins | sekjal: the reason not to make it an option is because it makes maintenance harder, and troubleshooting unpleasant, if there are two options. |
| 17:37 | (for this particular thing) | |
| 17:37 | We don't make any allowance for people wanting to install just the templates. | |
| 17:37 | (but run the code out of the git repo) | |
| 17:37 | I'd sign off on a patch that added an option, of course. | |
| 17:41 | sekjal | perhaps make the default setting the symlink, but leave copied files as a choice for legacy support |
| 17:41 | jcamins | I guess. |
| 17:41 | sekjal | hopefully no one will use it, and it can then be removed |
| 17:41 | jcamins | I, personally, would refuse to help anyone who used that option with troubleshooting Zebra issues. |
| 17:42 | If others were less dubious about it, I suppose there's no reason it shouldn't be left as an option. | |
| 17:43 | With a warning along the lines of "you had better be *very* sure you want to do this, because it is very likely that you're just going to have a maintenance nightmare." | |
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| 17:48 | libsysguy | hey sekjal |
| 17:48 | rumor has it that you are interested in the catalyst project im working on | |
| 17:49 | sekjal | libsysguy: I read magnuse's G+ link, and Catalyst seems pretty awesome |
| 17:50 | jcamins: I can't see any good reason not to symlink, but maybe someone out there has one.... seems unlikely, but who knows | |
| 17:50 | jcamins | sekjal: my feeling is that person should be forced to do it manually. |
| 17:50 | For the simple reason that if that person does it manually, they will have to think about how they want to maintain it. | |
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| 17:51 | libsysguy | sekjal, yeah it really is. I have used it before and thought it'd be perfect for Koha |
| 17:51 | I don't know why I didn't think about it sooner | |
| 17:52 | sekjal | libsysguy: handles T:T, DBIx, Solr, Plack/PSGI and plugins very aptly |
| 17:53 | libsysguy | sekjal: and much much more |
| 17:53 | plus the file structure makes a lot of sense | |
| 17:55 | jcamins | libsysguy: any coherent file structure would be a great help. |
| 17:56 | sekjal | it would really help separate out plumbing issues from actual design issues |
| 17:56 | libsysguy | agreed to both of the above |
| 17:57 | and it should help out with using different databases | |
| 17:58 | sekjal | libsysguy: how far are you along your project? |
| 17:59 | libsysguy | well I have been able to integrate the themes and come up with a basic wrapper for the front end, all the models were auto generated so that was made of win |
| 17:59 | I am trying to figure out how I was to represent notices | |
| 17:59 | which is the new part for my proof of concept | |
| 18:00 | but porting the old stuff for that one section was not bad at all | |
| 18:00 | I've only been able to put in a few days on it | |
| 18:00 | slef | hi all |
| 18:00 | sekjal | I'd think notices would be a kind of View... |
| 18:00 | slef | not read my email yet - anyone here for the kohacon meeting? |
| 18:00 | cait | here |
| 18:01 | JoeLib001 | I am having issues importing the records I exported an edited. |
| 18:01 | cait | but not sure I won't fall asleep |
| 18:01 | * thd | is here |
| 18:01 | slef | superstar cait++ |
| 18:01 | cait | slef |
| 18:01 | jwagner | I have a question for slef |
| 18:01 | libsysguy | well i made the tools/overduerules a view |
| 18:01 | jcamins | cait sends her apologies because she needs to sleep. |
| 18:01 | :) | |
| 18:01 | cait | I havne' thad time to update the program on the wiki another time to add the abstracts |
| 18:01 | JoeLib001 | It's not matching any of my records. |
| 18:01 | * thd | also needs to sleep but is still here :) |
| 18:01 | slef | jwagner: can I take it in a maybe very short meeting? |
| 18:01 | libsysguy | but the notice bit needed reworking http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Notifications_RFC |
| 18:02 | jwagner | sure |
| 18:02 | slef | #startmeeting |
| 18:02 | wahanui | if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
| 18:02 | huginn | Meeting started Wed May 23 18:02:16 2012 UTC. The chair is slef. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 18:02 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | |
| 18:02 | jcamins | JoeLib001: can we try troubleshooting after the meeting? |
| 18:02 | slef | #topic Introductions |
| 18:02 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 18:02 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions | |
| 18:02 | jcamins | #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services |
| 18:02 | slef | Welcome to a maybe very short KohaCon12 meeting. Please introduce yourself like wahanui just did, but putting #info at the start of a line. |
| 18:02 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
| 18:02 | slef | Please excuse my slowness but I don't have a script handy. |
| 18:02 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 18:03 | jwagner | #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS |
| 18:03 | slef | #info MJ Ray, software.coop, East Anglia... no, wait, that was last week... West Country, England |
| 18:03 | #topic Questions | |
| 18:03 | Topic for #koha is now Questions | |
| 18:03 | slef | jwagner: how about now? |
| 18:03 | wahanui | now is probably good time with holidays coming up |
| 18:04 | JoeLib001 | #info |
| 18:04 | jwagner | Did you get my email of May 14? I haven't gotten an answer |
| 18:04 | slef | jwagner: err. I don't remember it. What was the question? |
| 18:05 | or I'll go look for the email if it's not suitable for the public | |
| 18:05 | jwagner | I am not going to be able to attend in person, but I can do my presentation remotely |
| 18:05 | Is it Skype? | |
| 18:05 | slef | ah, right, that's a shame but we should be able to do a remote presentation. |
| 18:05 | I'm hoping not Skype | |
| 18:05 | jcamins | jwagner: mle should be back on Monday, at which point we'll try to get ekiga/linphone working. I'm in the same boat. |
| 18:06 | jwagner | I have no clue how to use any of that.... |
| 18:06 | jcamins | jwagner: me either, but I'm sure it'll be easy. |
| 18:06 | jwagner | I was going to get a Skype tutorial from a friend, but you don't want to use that? |
| 18:06 | slef | I'm hoping for something like linphone or ekiga or jitsi or something with video, or using something like Bambuser with a telephone back-channel? We may have a Grade A+ uplink so I'd prefer not trying to avoid Skype making us a backbone router :-/ |
| 18:06 | if you see what I mean | |
| 18:06 | jwagner | OK, I will await the (hopefully easy) instructions :-) |
| 18:06 | Thanks | |
| 18:07 | slef | when I worked at a university, long ago, Skype was notorious... I don't know if it's still the same |
| 18:07 | We'll find a way, but it'll won't be this week. | |
| 18:07 | thd | Skype must be even more notorious now that Microsoft own it. |
| 18:08 | slef | I'd suggest sending over slides+script and maybe getting a volunteer to agree to help deliver it if all else fails. |
| 18:08 | jwagner | OK, will work on that. The only format I can do is .ppt |
| 18:08 | slef | thd: heh. Not sure universities care if Microsoft own things. |
| 18:08 | cait | jcamins: you could perhaps convert to pdf then |
| 18:08 | slef | jwagner: we should be able to read that, but may be using LibreOffice to display them. |
| 18:08 | cait | hm jwagner |
| 18:09 | jwagner | as long as you can read the file |
| 18:09 | slef | jwagner: I'm 90% sure we'll have time to check all files ahead of time. |
| 18:09 | jwagner | Thanks |
| 18:09 | slef | jwagner: there will be an email with projector specs this week |
| 18:09 | #info there will be an email with projector specs this week | |
| 18:10 | jwagner | OK, that was my question. Anyone else? |
| 18:10 | slef | #info email kohacon12 AT software.coop with any questions for most reliable answering. |
| 18:10 | thd | LibreOffice should work fine as long as you avoid some extreme features of PowerPoint. Be careful about trying to embed videos in a Power Point presentation. |
| 18:10 | slef | #info or koha AT lists.katipo.co.nz if can be made public |
| 18:11 | cait | I have bad experience with graphics |
| 18:11 | if you use the drawing options of powerpoint | |
| 18:11 | thd | text rules |
| 18:11 | cait | safest then might be convertig to pdf |
| 18:11 | jwagner | Mine is mostly text, maybe 1-2 screenshots |
| 18:11 | slef | #info or our phone numbers and international access numbers are on http://www.software.coop/contact/ but try for 9-5 UK time, please |
| 18:11 | cait | screenshots should be no problem |
| 18:11 | slef | any other questions? |
| 18:12 | cait | slef: I haven't updated the wiki with the new info from your mail |
| 18:12 | travelling this week | |
| 18:12 | slef | cait: it wasn't meant f... oh wrong mail |
| 18:12 | ok, let's move to this | |
| 18:13 | #topic Roadmap to KohaCon12 | |
| 18:13 | Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to KohaCon12 | |
| 18:13 | slef | I emailed a roadmap update to volunteers about an hour ago. |
| 18:13 | cait | slef? |
| 18:13 | wahanui | slef is an avid cyclist |
| 18:13 | slef | Does anyone who hasn't seen it want to see it? |
| 18:15 | thd | Is there anything of general note on the roadmap? |
| 18:15 | slef | And relatedly, is anyone not on the volunteers email list who wants to be? |
| 18:15 | thd: yeah, "*** Katrin is a hero!" | |
| 18:15 | * cait | is not |
| 18:15 | wizzyrea | cait is also a hero |
| 18:15 | wahanui | okay, wizzyrea. |
| 18:15 | wizzyrea | cait? |
| 18:15 | wahanui | That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :) or a librarian, you will get wahanui's information or a hero |
| 18:16 | wizzyrea | mhm. |
| 18:16 | slef | thd: I think the main thing is I think we now have just enough sponsorship to avoid being absurdly spartan, following the mail-emailing of support companies. |
| 18:17 | thd: registrations are now about 70 and we're finally seeing more UK registrations and we've only just now had our first failed registration | |
| 18:17 | thd | What is a failed registration? |
| 18:18 | slef | in that case, they didn't tick any boxes |
| 18:18 | so sent us their info, but aren't attending anything | |
| 18:18 | I queried it and they've not replied. Not sure what was going on there. | |
| 18:18 | cait | I think you can't do more |
| 18:18 | slef | hrm, I should be noting this |
| 18:18 | #info now about 70 registrations | |
| 18:19 | #info now barely enough sponsorship, following mass-emailing of support companies and some anonymous donations - thanks to everyone who has chipped in | |
| 18:19 | #info mle is sorting the network out, but we may need an extra access point | |
| 18:20 | And two questions: | |
| 18:20 | Do we want to meet up on Monday 4 June, 6pm, Library bar? | |
| 18:20 | actually, I'll only ask that one... other one can be skipped | |
| 18:21 | thd | What is the Library bar? |
| 18:21 | wahanui | the Library bar is the first branch created and foo is the second |
| 18:21 | slef | the Library bar is also a bar next to the conference venue, at the front of Teviot |
| 18:21 | wahanui | okay, slef. |
| 18:22 | thd | Is that the name of the bar, Library Bar? |
| 18:22 | slef | yes |
| 18:22 | wizzyrea | apparently they have those all over the world. :) |
| 18:22 | jcamins | thd: anyone in the area will know where it is. |
| 18:22 | slef | it's in Teviot |
| 18:22 | jcamins | slef: I know. I was clarifying that it's a good place to meet, even if you forget that. |
| 18:23 | slef | #idea meet up on Monday 4 June, 6pm, Library bar |
| 18:23 | Oak | night guys. |
| 18:24 | slef | Any more questions? |
| 18:24 | before cait and me pass out? :) | |
| 18:24 | * thd | is already passed out :) |
| 18:25 | cait | slef: perhaps we should add a page to the wiki with where people are staying and when arriving |
| 18:25 | slef | cait: good idea! |
| 18:25 | cait | I mean people can add their dates and hotels themselves |
| 18:25 | so easier to meet | |
| 18:25 | slef | a page, or a section on the Volunteers page? |
| 18:25 | cait | I think I arrive at the airport around 4pm, not sure about the exact time right now |
| 18:26 | hm, might be interesting for all, but volunteers would be ok too I think | |
| 18:26 | slef | trying to add it now |
| 18:27 | cait | slef++ |
| 18:28 | slef | grrr how do I do a table? |
| 18:28 | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Help:Tables | |
| 18:28 | cait | slef: steal an existing one? ;) |
| 18:29 | oleonard | Use the wysiwyg editor? |
| 18:29 | cait | {| at beginning, closing at end |
| 18:29 | jcamins | Delegate to someone who is not me? |
| 18:30 | cait | slef: point me to the table, I can do it |
| 18:30 | hm page | |
| 18:30 | thd | Always steal an existing one :) |
| 18:30 | cait | ok, not sure I can, but will try |
| 18:30 | slef | nah got it now |
| 18:32 | thd | Tables had been problematically on one line in the source code when we had started using MediaWiki until I started reformatting them on multiple lines following good MediaWiki examples. |
| 18:32 | slef | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]eers#Sign_up_here |
| 18:32 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]eers#Sign_up_here | |
| 18:33 | #topic Next Meeting | |
| 18:33 | Topic for #koha is now Next Meeting | |
| 18:33 | slef | #info Next Meeting Wed 30 May 18:00 UTC in #koha |
| 18:33 | cait | only few days before kohacon then :) |
| 18:33 | slef | Thank you all for taking part! |
| 18:33 | #endmeeting | |
| 18:33 | Topic for #koha is now Happy birthday rangi! Koha 3.8.1 and 3.6.4 Now Available | Koha Community Website - http://www.koha-community.org/ | General IRC meeting, 13 June 2012 at 18:00 UTC+0 | |
| 18:33 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed May 23 18:33:34 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 18:33 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-05-23-18.02.html | |
| 18:33 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]2-05-23-18.02.txt | |
| 18:33 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]23-18.02.log.html | |
| 18:33 | slef | cait: it feels like it's only a few days before koha-community now, with all I know needs to be done! |
| 18:34 | anyone like me to add them to the table? | |
| 18:34 | Who arriving when? staying where? | |
| 18:34 | cait | my dates on the desk at work... |
| 18:34 | so will add myself later | |
| 18:34 | slef | thd: dang I just wrote it on one line because that was the easiest way to convert it from WikiText to MediaWiki format |
| 18:35 | thd | slef: No problem but tables are much easier to edit when each row has its own line. |
| 18:35 | slef | oh wait, each row has its own line |
| 18:35 | that's what I did | |
| 18:36 | thd | :) |
| 18:36 | slef | but some of the examples have each cell on its own line |
| 18:36 | which confuses me | |
| 18:36 | thd | If the cells have long content each cell on its own line might be helpful. |
| 18:37 | slef | I agree. Who/when/where isn't long. |
| 18:38 | thd | Maybe my discovery long ago had been examples of each cell on its own line. I do not remember correctly now but I am too tired to look properly. |
| 18:39 | cait | slef: fixed the formatting a bit |
| 18:39 | everyone, refresh :) | |
| 18:39 | slef | cait: oooh I could do with a refresh! |
| 18:44 | thd | slef: Using "|-" on a line alone as a row separator allows readable source for tables in which some cells have long content. |
| 18:45 | JoeLib001 | Will Koha yell at me, if I try to add a record with the same control number as another record? |
| 18:46 | jcamins | JoeLib001: no, it will assign a new biblionumber. |
| 18:46 | You should use a matching rule on biblionumber and 999$c. | |
| 18:46 | There should be one by default, but isn't. | |
| 18:46 | cait | JoeLib001: and duplicat 001 is not a good idea, but no yelling |
| 18:46 | jcamins | Another item on my to-do list. |
| 18:47 | thd | slef: counting the lines beginning with "|" inside a column is easier for tracking columns than having rows on one line. |
| 18:47 | JoeLib001 | Ok, match by biblionumber and What is 999$c? |
| 18:48 | jcamins | Biblionumber. |
| 18:48 | JoeLib001 | Ah, I see. :-) |
| 18:48 | Thanks. :-) | |
| 18:49 | thd | In an ideal world 999$c would be the same as 001. |
| 18:49 | JoeLib001 | :-) |
| 18:49 | Mine's all kinds of messed up then. hehehe. | |
| 18:49 | thd | However, we first need much better import tools which preserve the previous 001 values for reference. |
| 18:50 | jcamins | JoeLib001: focus only on the biblionumber in 999$c. |
| 18:50 | cait | thd: it owuld need some work, because making 001 the bilbionumber would totally break our union catalog model and the record linking for us |
| 18:50 | thd | JoeLib001: We do not yet have those much better import tools or I have not taken the time to push some old code. |
| 18:51 | JoeLib001 | Thanks, that should get me going. :-) |
| 18:51 | thd | cait: I am not suggesting making 001 the biblionumber but merely allowing it to be the same. |
| 18:52 | cait | thd: not all 001 are numeric |
| 18:52 | thd | cait: Obviously, all systems using the biblionumber would need updating. |
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| 18:55 | thd | cait: Obviously, you have identified the problem of using previous 001s as the biblionumber for all cases. Using the biblionumber in 001 and updating all databases using the 001 is safer. |
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| 18:58 | jcamins | thd: I think the thing to do is have a cataloging plugin that will optionally put the same data in 001 as the biblionumber. Anything else would require too much work for dubious reward. |
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| 19:01 | thd | Previous, 001s can be preserved in 035 $z as previously used cancelled numbers. Certainly, complying more closely with standards would be more work, however, standards compliance like 'being good' is partly its own reward :) |
| 19:03 | cait: We really need to move beyond MARC while preserving MARC for lossless import and export which is much much more work but a task with very great rewards. | |
| 19:03 | cait | I think one step at a time |
| 19:03 | there are lots of things to do | |
| 19:04 | rewriting the search is one of them | |
| 19:04 | mbalmer | evening. |
| 19:04 | wahanui | i guess evening is better for me - but not too late |
| 19:04 | slef | ha ha ha ha ha http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new[…]s-for-a-year.html |
| 19:04 | thd | Definately, one step at a time in slow pieces. |
| 19:05 | slef | what about |
| 19:05 | thd | cait: Definately, care has to be taken to not remove old features when adding new ones too avoid breaking things and merely substituting new bugs for old ones. |
| 19:05 | slef | each $3? |
| 19:05 | wahanui | each $3 is in fact the id of the topic. |
| 19:05 | slef | circcontrol? |
| 19:05 | wahanui | circcontrol is set to... |
| 19:05 | slef | wahanui: current status? |
| 19:05 | wahanui | current status is "Failed QA" |
| 19:06 | thd | s/too/to/ |
| 19:06 | slef | I couldn't damn wahanui any more than that. |
| 19:07 | wahanui: that status? | |
| 19:07 | wahanui | slef: i haven't a clue |
| 19:07 | slef | wahanui: the caching stuff? |
| 19:07 | wahanui | somebody said the caching stuff was really cool. Bug 8092. |
| 19:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Koha should use CHI caching framework |
| 19:08 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 19:08 | Very true. | |
| 19:08 | wahanui | I know. That's why I said it. |
| 19:10 | thd | slef: All the various reuses of identifiers in MARC such as $3 or $0 are difficult to attend to correctly in system implementation and conformance to MARC standards, which is one reason we need to eventually have MARC as merely an import and export format. |
| 19:13 | slef | Very true. |
| 19:13 | wahanui | I know. That's why I said it. |
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| 19:19 | slef | ok am I being dense... it is 001 and then the full US phone number isn't it? |
| 19:20 | jcamins | slef: 00 +1 XXX-XXX-XXXX |
| 19:20 | Wait, hold on. | |
| 19:21 | Yes, that's right. | |
| 19:21 | wahanui | I know. |
| 19:21 | * slef | emails them to ask why their phone number doesn't work |
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| 19:22 | thd | slef: Yes, the US bullies grabbed the first code, 001 for too many things. :) |
| 19:23 | * thd | runs off to work |
| 19:30 | wizzyrea | @later tell eythian when can we expect the 3.8.1 packages? |
| 19:30 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:30 | slef | cool, got it |
| 19:30 | wizzyrea: ooh I should check on our compilation! | |
| 19:32 | ok I don't understand that... let me rerun it | |
| 19:33 | should I be confused by the lack of v3.08.01 tag? | |
| 19:35 | rangi | Only if there wasn't one |
| 19:35 | But there is | |
| 19:35 | slef | found it |
| 19:35 | rangi | :) |
| 19:39 | libsysguy left #koha | |
| 19:40 | rangi | There are daily 3.8.x builds in my ppa |
| 19:41 | Eythian planned to do 3.8.1 yesterday got sucked into other work though | |
| 19:41 | Hopefully today | |
| 19:43 | jcamins | Okay, time to call it a day and head home. |
| 19:43 | So long, #koha. | |
| 19:45 | cait | bye jcamins_away |
| 19:46 | oleonard | Bug 8144 |
| 19:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8144 critical, P1 - high, ---, oleonard, NEW , 775 tag in the MARC record causes display issue |
| 19:46 | oleonard | What is the 775 tag? |
| 19:46 | rangi | Slef: u about? |
| 19:47 | jcamins_away | @marc 775 |
| 19:47 | huginn | jcamins_away: The entry for another available edition of the target item (horizontal relationship). When a note is generated from this field, the introductory phrase Other editions available: may be generated based on the field tag for display. (Repeatable) [b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,k,m,n,o,r,s,t,u,w,x,y,z,6,7,8] |
| 19:48 | rangi | @later tell slef I wanna kick in a few pound for sponsorship from myself, do u prefer me handing u cash or PayPal |
| 19:48 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | ranig: this one? https://launchpad.net/~koha/+archive/koha-stable |
| 19:51 | rangi | Hmm nope that's only for releases |
| 19:51 | sekjal | once again, I toss out the idea of a patron record XML schema... would solve a lot of the extensibility and customization issues surrounding borrowers |
| 19:52 | rangi | Can't get url from phone |
| 19:52 | wizzyrea | sok, it can wait |
| 19:52 | rangi | Click on me on launchpad |
| 19:52 | And u should find it | |
| 19:52 | wizzyrea | Ah i see it |
| 19:52 | https://launchpad.net/~chris-b[…]/3.8.x-dailybuild (for those of you curious) | |
| 19:54 | rangi | It does it all automagically now I've set it up |
| 19:55 | cait | automagic! |
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| 20:01 | JoeLib001 | Anyone have a link to a good tutorial on Authorities in Koha? |
| 20:04 | slef | rangi: cash I think but I must remember to take the cash processing book with me. |
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| 20:07 | slef | wizzyrea: my build fails with # Failed test './blib/INTRANET_TMPL_DIR/prog/fr-FR/xslt/NORMARCslim2intranetDetail.xsl parses' at t/00-valid-xml.t line 37. ./blib/INTRANET_TMPL_DIR/prog/fr-FR/xslt/NORMARCslim2intranetDetail.xsl:166: parser error : Entity 'nbsp' not defined (+ 2 more) |
| 20:07 | rangi | My stop |
| 20:09 | cait | slef: looks like a translation problem in french normarc.... |
| 20:10 | jcamins++ for all the bug wrangling and release maintenance work | |
| 20:10 | slef | cait: looks like an XML typing problem. Someone used nbsp instead of whatever the unicode is. |
| 20:10 | @query nbsp | |
| 20:10 | huginn | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7367 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , General OPAC typo omnibus |
| 20:10 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5584 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , BibLibre OPAC improvements for 3.4 | |
| 20:10 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3144 normal, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Patch doesn't apply , anti-spam for opac-suggestions | |
| 20:10 | cait | slef: I think it's from the po file |
| 20:10 | huginn | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, dpavlin, Patch doesn't apply , Broken encoding in members home/search page |
| 20:10 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7733 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , HidePatronName not working on moredetail | |
| 20:10 | cait | I have seen that before |
| 20:10 | there was a fix of adding nbsp for marc21 and unimarc | |
| 20:10 | I betnormarc is missing the fix tomake it work | |
| 20:11 | * slef | looks where |
| 20:11 | cait | but I agree - not too happy with the in the po flie |
| 20:12 | sekjal | fun new toy: Taconite JQuery plugin (http://jquery.malsup.com/taconite/). let's you write your JQuery behavior scripts as XML |
| 20:12 | rangi | slef: cash it is |
| 20:13 | slef | <!DOCTYPE stylesheet [<!ENTITY nbsp " " >]> |
| 20:13 | is in all the normarc files in prog/en/xslt - should I put them in fr-FR too? Shouldn't the translator be making them for me? | |
| 20:13 | oh it would | |
| 20:13 | I've non-git files there | |
| 20:13 | * slef | nukes fr-FR from orbit |
| 20:14 | rebuilds | |
| 20:17 | * oleonard | decides to stop failing at getting anything to work and just quit instead |
| 20:17 | oleonard | Bye all |
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| 20:28 | rangi | hmm bug 5609 |
| 20:28 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5609 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, koha.sekjal, ASSIGNED , Holds Rewrite |
| 20:28 | rangi | how not to motivate developers in one easy example |
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| 21:17 | rangi | yay equinox |
| 21:17 | https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html | |
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| 21:19 | tcohen | hi #koha |
| 21:22 | # koha-create --create-db kohatest | |
| 21:22 | sed: -e expression #12, char 17: unknown option to `s' | |
| 21:22 | any hint? | |
| 21:22 | cait | looks like atypo maybe? |
| 21:23 | the | |
| 21:23 | ´ | |
| 21:23 | rangi | hmm what version tcohen ? |
| 21:23 | tcohen | Version: 3.8.0-1 |
| 21:24 | rangi | id file a bug |
| 21:24 | tcohen | m'kay |
| 21:25 | rangi | nothing changed super recently in that script |
| 21:25 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6913 <-- would be my guess | |
| 21:25 | huginn | 04Bug 6913: enhancement, P3, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Improving koha-list and koha-create |
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| 21:30 | tcohen | rangi, I cant see related changes there |
| 21:31 | rangi | hmm |
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| 21:31 | rangi | odd |
| 21:31 | seems to be working here | |
| 21:31 | tcohen | found it |
| 21:32 | i used mkpasswd to generate the db user passwd | |
| 21:32 | rangi | typo in the sites-conf.xml? |
| 21:32 | ahh | |
| 21:32 | tcohen | mysql doesn't like it |
| 21:32 | rangi | yeah, that makes sense |
| 21:32 | sed wont either | |
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| 21:46 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #23 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 22:02 | rangi | anyone about? |
| 22:03 | * jcamins_away | is. |
| 22:03 | rangi | bug 3521 |
| 22:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3521 enhancement, P3, ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Master , Items table in catalogue/detail.pl and cataloguing/additem.pl is sorted nonsensically |
| 22:03 | rangi | hold for 3.10 .. push for 3.8.2 .. opinions? |
| 22:03 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]hment.cgi?id=9520 <-- small change | |
| 22:07 | im leaning to 3.8.2 it seems to make sense to me | |
| 22:08 | jcamins | Yeah, 3.8.2. |
| 22:08 | rangi | cool |
| 22:16 | hdl | fwiw, copynumber is null in most libraries, where barcode is not. But who care |
| 22:16 | s | |
| 22:17 | rangi | hmm but it was never sorting on barcode anyway was it? |
| 22:17 | was just date accessioned | |
| 22:17 | jcamins | Nope. Just branchname. |
| 22:17 | And date accessioned. | |
| 22:18 | hdl | no, but it doesnot make much sense to add order on an empty value |
| 22:18 | rangi | so null will drop it back to branch, enumchron, dateaccessiond |
| 22:18 | jcamins | hdl: it becomes an efficient no-op for libraries that don't populate copy number. |
| 22:18 | For those libraries that do populate copy number, it will be very helpful. | |
| 22:18 | hdl | efficient ? |
| 22:19 | jcamins | hdl: index statistics should enable MySQL to compile that out of the query entirely. |
| 22:20 | Even if not, I don't think it's a serious performance issue. | |
| 22:21 | hdl | you mean that kind of no-op flooding the code all over the place, and that some libraries envision as a bug, you spend days on and finally you find that it is not a bug... it is a misplaced feature... |
| 22:21 | mis-used un-documented feature | |
| 22:23 | but I don't say more. | |
| 22:23 | have a nice evening. | |
| 22:23 | rangi | if you feel that strongly you should ask paul to revert it from master maybe |
| 22:24 | jcamins | rangi: not much point of that. It doesn't break functionality for anyone, and most academic libraries use copynumber. |
| 22:33 | rangi | jcamins++ #thanks for all the bug status updating |
| 22:33 | i only have 127 more mails to read now :) | |
| 22:33 | jcamins | rangi: I have another 70 to do. |
| 22:33 | Alas. | |
| 22:34 | eythian | jcamins: when you've got a minute, can you point me in the direction of how analytics should best be used? My scenario is articles of a journal/magazine being catalogued. |
| 22:34 | jcamins | eythian: how detailed are the subjects? |
| 22:34 | eythian | @later tell wizzyrea I hope to do that today, other stuff permitting. |
| 22:34 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:35 | eythian | jcamins: what does that mean? |
| 22:35 | jcamins | eythian: well, the most sensible workflow to use depends on what level of detail the library uses. |
| 22:36 | eythian | what kind of detail? |
| 22:36 | jcamins | Are they just stub records, with no subject information at all? |
| 22:36 | Records with very broad subjects? | |
| 22:36 | Detailed subject analysis as with indexing? | |
| 22:36 | eythian | Oh, no. I think they'll be properly catalogued articles. |
| 22:37 | at least, not just dtubs | |
| 22:37 | *stubs | |
| 22:37 | jcamins | Okay, the easiest way to create them would be to use the EasyAnalytics feature. |
| 22:38 | eythian | OK. How does that work? |
| 22:38 | jcamins | Incredibly easily. |
| 22:38 | eythian | :) |
| 22:38 | are there docs somewhere? | |
| 22:38 | jcamins | You enable it, create a record for the volume, go to the Analyze tab, and click "Analyze this item." |
| 22:38 | Should be... | |
| 22:38 | http://manual.koha-community.o[…]#cataloganalytics | |
| 22:39 | Actually... | |
| 22:39 | eythian | oh hey, that does look easy. |
| 22:39 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #23: SUCCESS in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/23/ |
| 22:39 | kyle: Bug 8057 - Error when adding a patron with email address | |
| 22:39 | jcamins | That's the hard way. |
| 22:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8057 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , Error when adding a patron with email address |
| 22:39 | eythian | Out of curiosity, what's the other way? Manually filling in 773$w? |
| 22:39 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #24 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 22:39 | eythian | heh |
| 22:40 | OK then, what's the easy way? | |
| 22:40 | jcamins | The workflow described there is what you'd do if you already had records for all your articles. |
| 22:40 | The *easy* way is to create the record for the volume, then go to the analytics tab on the left. | |
| 22:41 | Then click "Analyze this record" or something like that. | |
| 22:41 | eythian | That lets you create child items for articles then? |
| 22:41 | jcamins | It's in the item table. |
| 22:41 | Yup. | |
| 22:41 | Everything is automatically filled in. | |
| 22:41 | (in terms of leader and 773) | |
| 22:41 | eythian | OK, cool. I'll have a play with those now and work out what is the best. |
| 22:41 | Thanks! | |
| 22:42 | jcamins | The way I used to do it was 100% manually. |
| 22:42 | You're welcome. | |
| 22:42 | eythian | that's the only way I've done it before to |
| 22:42 | o | |
| 22:43 | jcamins | I prefer the simplified workflows. |
| 22:43 | Actually, there's another workflow, too. | |
| 22:43 | It's really cool. | |
| 22:43 | One moment | |
| 22:43 | eythian | > No system preferences matched your search for easyanalytics. |
| 22:43 | hrm | |
| 22:44 | what version did it appear in? | |
| 22:44 | jcamins | 3.6.0. |
| 22:44 | eythian | curious |
| 22:44 | jcamins | Ah, this is a nice one. |
| 22:44 | If you're not using items for serials (many places don't), that doesn't work so well. | |
| 22:45 | This may be 3.8.0+ only, though. | |
| 22:45 | Not sure. | |
| 22:45 | View a record. | |
| 22:46 | Under the "New" button on the cataloging toolbar is a "New child record" option. | |
| 22:46 | eythian | oh: EasyAnalyticalRecords |
| 22:46 | that'll be why I couldn't find it. | |
| 22:46 | jcamins | Yep. |
| 22:46 | eythian | the sysprefs needs a 'keywords' feature so that a search for "analytics" would find it. |
| 22:47 | jcamins | Oh, that's right. I also insisted on an "Analyze items" option under the new button. |
| 22:47 | Cool. :) | |
| 22:48 | eythian | What does the 'analytics' tab in cataloguing do? |
| 22:48 | does it just show stuff? | |
| 22:48 | jcamins | No. See on the right. "Create analytic record"? |
| 22:48 | eythian | no... |
| 22:48 | jcamins | Do you have items? |
| 22:49 | eythian | it looks just like the 'normal' view |
| 22:49 | oh wait | |
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| 22:49 | eythian | I don't. I dumb. |
| 22:49 | So, that way links to the item, rather than just the record? | |
| 22:50 | jcamins | Right. |
| 22:50 | eythian | OK |
| 22:50 | jcamins | The "Create child record" option links to the bib record. |
| 22:50 | eythian | ah right |
| 22:50 | I can see them using both methods. | |
| 22:51 | But now I know how they work at least, that's good :) thanks for that | |
| 22:51 | jcamins | You're welcome. |
| 22:52 | Did my suggestion of setting up a temporary apt repo so that we don't have to worry about reconfiguring debian.k-c.org right now make sense to you? | |
| 22:53 | Alternatively, I suppose I could get rangi to tell me how to make a ppa. | |
| 22:53 | And, for that matter, what a ppa is. | |
| 22:53 | rangi | hmm ppa is ok for ubuntu |
| 22:53 | personal package archive | |
| 22:54 | jcamins | Ah. But won't work for Debian? |
| 22:54 | rangi | would be better to make a proper oldstable dist |
| 22:54 | eythian | jcamins: yeah, it's good. I hope it won't be too long before I manage to set up the k-c repo to do it though. |
| 22:54 | jcamins | eythian: I hope that, too! But I figure better to have the packages *somewhere* now, than nowhere until later. |
| 22:54 | eythian | but if you want your own one in the interim, nothing wrong with that. |
| 22:54 | definitely | |
| 22:55 | rangi | jcamins: yeah the ppa builds for ubuntu releases, it will most likely just work for debian too, but sometimes it might not |
| 23:02 | tcohen | how about having a koha-3.8 and then a koha-3.10 packages |
| 23:02 | rangi | hmm i like dists better |
| 23:02 | tcohen | koha-3.8-3.8.0, koha-3.8-3.8.1 revision |
| 23:03 | oldstable would make it it you maintain just two stable dists | |
| 23:03 | rangi | we do anyway |
| 23:03 | 3.4 is EOL | |
| 23:03 | tcohen | right |
| 23:04 | rangi | you'd have to do things with conflicting etc |
| 23:04 | if you had different packages | |
| 23:04 | eythian | tcohen: it would allow people to pick "conservative" or "progressive" or "oh god it bleeds" and stay where they want to be, so oldstable would become 3.8.whatever when 3.6 goes EOL |
| 23:05 | rangi | ie if you wanted to move from koha-3.8 package to koha-3.10 you'd have to remove one, add the other .. can be messy |
| 23:06 | tcohen | rangi, i get it. i didn't think about that transition problems |
| 23:08 | rangi | but, its something we need to figure out when its debian proper too |
| 23:08 | course i have to finish bug 4330 before that can be done anyway | |
| 23:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4330 normal, P3, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Copyright statements out of date |
| 23:09 | eythian | rangi: when it's in debian proper, it won't update very fast anyway. |
| 23:09 | rangi | tis true |
| 23:09 | eythian | Probably best making a decision each time it's close to freeze as to which version to put in |
| 23:09 | rangi | yeah, thats a good point |
| 23:10 | jcamins | Could someone please check bug 7129 for me? |
| 23:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7129 normal, P5 - low, ---, aleksa, Pushed to Master , actual cost showing too many zeros |
| 23:10 | jcamins | I don't think it was ever actually pushed. |
| 23:10 | eythian | and then have testing/unstable track the current stable, or something like that. |
| 23:10 | jcamins | Anywhere. |
| 23:10 | rangi | looking now |
| 23:10 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 23:11 | rangi | hmm nope |
| 23:11 | not in master, or 3.8.x | |
| 23:11 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 23:11 | Not in 3.6.x either. | |
| 23:13 | rangi | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]eads/new/bug_7129 |
| 23:13 | looks like it got missed | |
| 23:13 | should be a the tip there | |
| 23:18 | JoeLib001 | jcamins: Thanks for helping me get my MARC Record import sorted out. :-) |
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| 23:31 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #24: SUCCESS in 51 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/24/ |
| 23:31 | * kyle: Bug 7948 - Printing transfer slip loses barcode field focus | |
| 23:31 | * kyle: Bug 3521 - Items table in catalogue/detail.pl and cataloguing/additem.pl is sorted nonsensically | |
| 23:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7948 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , Printing transfer slip loses barcode field focus |
| 23:31 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3521 trivial, P3, ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Stable , Items table in catalogue/detail.pl and cataloguing/additem.pl is sorted nonsensically | |
| 23:31 | roygbivovacl | hiya eythian (and all) |
| 23:31 | eythian | hi |
| 23:32 | roygbivovacl | just trying to upgrade debian on test... |
| 23:33 | eythian | ok |
| 23:36 | roygbivovacl | updated the packages, press 'U' which marks everything that can be upgraded as "to be upgraded. Nothing seems to happen |
| 23:36 | eythian | It doesn't change a whole lot, visually. |
| 23:36 | But now press 'g' | |
| 23:37 | it should give you a big list of updates in pretty colours. | |
| 23:37 | roygbivovacl | yep |
| 23:37 | eythian | and if you press 'g' again, it'll actually run the upgrades. |
| 23:37 | (I'm using updates and upgrades interchangeably here, badly) | |
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| 23:40 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 23:40 | 6039 is not going into 3.6.x. | |
| 23:40 | Sorry. | |
| 23:40 | If anyone wants to make a very compelling argument, I'll listen politely and not push it anyway. | |
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| 23:41 | eythian | papa: it's your patch |
| 23:42 | jcamins | eythian: that is compelling, but I'm still not convinced. |
| 23:42 | ;) | |
| 23:42 | eythian | heh |
| 23:42 | papa | ok, maybe I can find something more compelling |
| 23:43 | nope, I cannot | |
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| 23:44 | jcamins | :) |
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| 23:57 | rangi | http://www.kickstarter.com/pro[…]but-with-your-own |
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| 23:58 | * eythian | notes that the dependency on Libgravatar::URL isn't included in the deps, apparently. |
| 23:59 | rangi | hmm i thought we had fixed that |
| 23:59 | jcamins | I signed off on a patch to fix it. |
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