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| 02:12 | jcamins_away | Good morning, cait. |
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| 02:15 | hi jcamins_away | |
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| 03:11 | druthb | o/ |
| 04:15 | Judit | hi, anyone tried 3.8 with the FF offline circulation plugin? |
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| 05:01 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
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| 06:20 | Oak | what could be the reason, that, I imported patron data in Koha in csv format, and filled the password column with birthday (day + month) of patrons. And the password worked when I used to access the system from university's LAN (the server had no public IP). Now that the server is publicly accessible, when I try to login, I get "ou entered an incorrect username or password. Please try again!..." |
| 06:20 | Is there a way I can see what are the passwords of patron (instead of seeing ****) ? | |
| 06:21 | or to find out what is going on? | |
| 06:24 | Judit | what if you log in to admin, and change the pw and try again with the new pw |
| 06:24 | i mean chance the pw for a patron | |
| 06:27 | Oak | yes I did and that worked. |
| 06:27 | Judit | |
| 06:29 | Judit | you have tried many patrons? |
| 06:29 | with same results? | |
| 06:29 | Oak | yes |
| 06:29 | Judit | i dont see a reason |
| 06:30 | Oak | hmm |
| 06:30 | Judit | do you have mysql access |
| 06:30 | Oak | yup |
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| 06:30 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:34 | Oak | Judit, so... I examine the mysql tables... |
| 06:35 | Judit | just a sec |
| 06:36 | how many patrons are we talking about? | |
| 06:36 | Oak | 1200 |
| 06:36 | about 1200 | |
| 06:36 | Judit | i would try to import them in again |
| 06:36 | usng the koha tool | |
| 06:36 | Oak | :( |
| 06:37 | what could have gone wrong? | |
| 06:37 | Judit | or manually change all pw in Koha |
| 06:37 | Oak | oh joy |
| 06:40 | Judit | i am sorry, i cannot help |
| 06:41 | Oak | no problem :) |
| 06:41 | Judit | but i wish you a lot of good luck |
| 06:41 | :) | |
| 06:41 | Oak | thank you! |
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| 06:47 | francharb | morning #koha |
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| 06:58 | Joubu | hi #koha |
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| 07:03 | gaetan_B | hello :) |
| 07:05 | Judit | so anyone tried koha 3.8 with the firefox plugin? |
| 07:05 | the offline circulation | |
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| 07:08 | julian_m | hello #koha |
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| 07:11 | Oak | Judit, my dates in csv file that I imported earlier were like 5/8/1988... and the patron import says a note i just read that "Date formats should match your system preference, and must be zero-padded, e.g. '01/02/2008'." |
| 07:12 | so now when I import the new csv with changed zero-padded dates, will Koha consider them same records and replace them (good) or add as new records (bad)? | |
| 07:12 | uh oh | |
| 07:12 | Judit is gone. | |
| 07:12 | cait! | |
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| 07:12 | Oak | uh oh |
| 07:12 | cait! | |
| 07:13 | awake enough for a question? | |
| 07:15 | *sigh* | |
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| 07:15 | * cait | waves |
| 07:15 | Oak | \o |
| 07:18 | magnus_afk | o/ |
| 07:20 | magnuse | rangi++ for 3.8.1! |
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| 07:22 | Oak | rangi++ |
| 07:22 | magnuse, | |
| 07:22 | tch. comma :( | |
| 07:24 | magnuse | Oak |
| 07:25 | next question: is it ready for production? | |
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| 07:54 | rangi | magnuse: id wait for 3.8.2 there are still some bugfixes id like to see in it, awiting sign off and qa |
| 07:57 | magnuse | rangi: cool |
| 07:57 | i'll do some digging, might not affect the parts my customers actually use... | |
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| 09:53 | Oak | guys, once a Koha server is set up, and running, books cataloged, etc. can we make the zebra server UTF-8 compatible? Or are we supposed to do that before we cataloged books? At present all cataloging info in plain English... no unicode characters. |
| 09:55 | cait | you should be able to catalog unicode without doing anything |
| 09:55 | for search you might need icu indexing activated | |
| 09:56 | Oak | and we can activate icu indexnig whenever we want? |
| 09:56 | in the middle i mean. | |
| 09:57 | "you should be able to catalog unicode without doing anything" <-- because MySQL is set up with utf-8... and that's what matters here... right? | |
| 10:00 | cait | yes I think so |
| 10:00 | Oak | hmm. cool |
| 10:00 | still traveling? | |
| 10:00 | wahanui | traveling is serious business, eh? ;-) |
| 10:00 | cait | search bugzilla for ALL chinese icu |
| 10:01 | it should bring up a recent bug with hints how to activate icu indexing | |
| 10:01 | Oak | okay thank you! |
| 10:01 | doing it | |
| 10:01 | hdl1 | wahanui: forget traveling |
| 10:01 | wahanui | hdl1: I forgot traveling |
| 10:01 | cait | if you are using 3.8 - there is an option to activate it on install |
| 10:01 | it might be a bit different to activate it then - not exactly sure how to do it | |
| 10:02 | Oak | "it might be a bit different to activate it then" you mean in the middle? |
| 10:02 | cait | yes, when already installed without |
| 10:02 | Oak | hmm |
| 10:02 | cait | I tihnk you have to change the koha conf file then |
| 10:02 | Oak | i am on 3.6.4 |
| 10:02 | hmm | |
| 10:03 | searching 'chinese icu' returns zero results | |
| 10:03 | cait | ah |
| 10:04 | I tihnk you can just use the description in the bug then | |
| 10:04 | @query ALL chinese icu | |
| 10:04 | huginn | cait: No results for "ALL chinese icu." |
| 10:04 | cait | Oak: the bug is already closed |
| 10:04 | Oak: try first search word ALL | |
| 10:05 | Oak | says Zarro Boogs found. |
| 10:05 | cait | hmm |
| 10:06 | bug 8065 | |
| 10:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8065 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED INVALID, chinese word search result all chinese biblios record |
| 10:09 | Oak | thanks cait! |
| 10:09 | cait | was ALL chinese search :) |
| 10:10 | Oak | on that link: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]nuary/031714.html it says "Your icu.xml should look like this:"... will there be an xml file already available somewhere for Urdu or Arabic somewhere or will I have to create it? |
| 10:10 | * Oak | tries ALL chinese |
| 10:11 | Oak | works :) |
| 10:11 | the search | |
| 10:11 | wahanui | i heard the search was for the patrons not the librarians |
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| 10:39 | Amit_Gupta | Jonathan around? |
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| 11:11 | mib_mudld7 | Hello |
| 11:11 | Can anyone tell me hw 2 backup and restore ur koha data | |
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| 11:22 | druthb | o/ |
| 11:27 | mib_mudld7 | Can u help wit the backup procedure.. |
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| 12:04 | Amit_Gupta | heya nengard |
| 12:04 | nengard | hello |
| 12:07 | Joubu | Amit_Gupta: yes :) |
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| 12:27 | magnuse | kia ora nengard - did you ever get those two patches for the docs i tried to send to the list? |
| 12:27 | nengard | nope |
| 12:27 | magnuse | weird |
| 12:27 | nengard | and others on the list said they didn't come through either |
| 12:29 | magnuse | hm, i just tried to subscribe, and it says "You are already subscribed to this mailing list." |
| 12:39 | tried again, but it's not showing up in the archive | |
| 12:40 | nengard: can you grab the patches from here? http://div.libriotech.no/kohamisc/kohadocs/ | |
| 12:41 | nengard | got them |
| 12:41 | will try to apply them in a bit | |
| 12:42 | magnuse | yay! |
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| 13:43 | kyleh_ | if any xslt gurus are in the house, I'd appriciate some advice on but 7441 |
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| 13:57 | vfernandes | hi guys |
| 13:57 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 13:57 | libsysguy | o/ |
| 14:00 | vfernandes | one little question... i have a database with 250000 biblio and 250000 authorities. I have to do something on my authorithies so I have to search for some string in the marcxml. |
| 14:00 | wizzyrea | report library? |
| 14:00 | wahanui | report library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library |
| 14:00 | wizzyrea | i think there's a recipe in there for that |
| 14:01 | near the top | |
| 14:01 | vfernandes | But using mysql the queries are extremally slow... Is there a way to improve search on marcxml in the database? |
| 14:05 | select auth_id from auth_header where marcxml like '%$xml%' | |
| 14:05 | how i can improve this search? | |
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| 14:17 | wizzyrea | i don't know if extractvalue is any faster |
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| 14:27 | hdl1 | wizzyrea: ExtractValue Is slower. |
| 14:27 | wizzyrea | there you have it. |
| 14:29 | hdl1 | but it may be stricture. |
| 14:29 | stricter | |
| 14:37 | libsysguy | have we ever thought about implementing recurring events in koha? |
| 14:37 | or do we already have that and I just keep missing it | |
| 14:39 | wizzyrea | you mean like holidays? |
| 14:40 | libsysguy | yeah but for other things |
| 14:40 | like the task scheduler | |
| 14:40 | wizzyrea | like recurring news items? |
| 14:41 | the first question | |
| 14:41 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" |
| 14:41 | libsysguy | heh |
| 14:41 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 14:42 | libsysguy | so I am trying to rework notices so you can say I want to send notice x every other monday till the end of time, or I want to send notice y every tuesday for only 4 times |
| 14:42 | wizzyrea | oh, in notices |
| 14:43 | libsysguy | so I've really been trying to find the best way to represent that kind of thing in the database without taking up a million rows |
| 14:43 | basically setting up a recurrence that could be infinate | |
| 14:44 | wizzyrea | dunno, I kind of imagine a column in the db that has a specific value for "infinite" and increments on each send for finite. |
| 14:44 | if the notice itself is going to be identical | |
| 14:44 | libsysguy | that is what I was thinking too until i read Martin Fowlers paper on recurring events for calendars |
| 14:45 | http://martinfowler.com/apsupp/recurring.pdf | |
| 14:45 | then I got caught up in representing temporal expressions lol | |
| 14:46 | wizzyrea | oh dear. |
| 14:46 | * libsysguy | is too far down the rabbit hole wizzyrea |
| 14:46 | libsysguy | :'( |
| 14:48 | * wizzyrea | pats libsysguy |
| 14:48 | wizzyrea | just don't eat or drink anything. |
| 14:49 | libsysguy | heh |
| 14:56 | hdl1 | libsysguy: what you could implement is an AnyEvent minidaemon and input data from the database to run a task on a schedule. |
| 14:56 | http://search.cpan.org/~mlehma[…]nyEvent/Intro.pod | |
| 14:58 | libsysguy | that would be good, If i could find a way to best store it in the database first |
| 15:00 | hdl1 | http://cpansearch.perl.org/src[…].12/lib/snaked.pm |
| 15:00 | that also could be helpful. | |
| 15:00 | mmm I guess having kind of crontab entries could be the best bet. | |
| 15:01 | libsysguy | that was my first thought |
| 15:01 | but I didn't want to confuse users, so I thought "man google calendar has a very cool way of implementing recurrence events" | |
| 15:01 | and set out to try it that way | |
| 15:02 | but I keep finding my way back to date manip | |
| 15:02 | and I know how we all feel about date::manip | |
| 15:05 | hdl1 | if this is a problem of 'interface', then it is not a problem of mysql database structure. |
| 15:05 | But how to display and input data. | |
| 15:06 | Those are / should be two separate issues. | |
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| 15:08 | libsysguy | good point |
| 15:10 | i guess what I should be asking is "how would you store something like 3rd monday every other month" in a database | |
| 15:15 | jcamins | Multiple inheritance in Perl... can it be done? |
| 15:16 | Yes it can. | |
| 15:16 | libsysguy | yes |
| 15:16 | dang it | |
| 15:16 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_inheritance | |
| 15:16 | in overview | |
| 15:17 | hdl1 | jcamins: in moose |
| 15:18 | libsysguy | we should implement moose |
| 15:18 | hdl1 | But usualy composition is better than multiple inheritance... |
| 15:18 | Or Moo | |
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| 15:19 | hdl1 | http://code.activestate.com/ppm/Moo/ |
| 15:20 | jcamins | Interesting. |
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| 15:31 | ASUSunDevil | Hello all, having a bit of trouble with implementing koha and thought maybe someone here could help. I am using the LiveCD with Koha 3.4. I know this is out of date, but I'm having a couple weird things happen and was hoping someone could point me in the right direction. First, I have items cataloged, but I cannot search by the barcode. It just tells me that no record was matched/found. However, |
| 15:31 | when I try to check out an item, it can find the barcode just fine... Any ideas? | |
| 15:32 | jcamins | searching faq? |
| 15:32 | wahanui | hmmm... searching faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ |
| 15:32 | jcamins | ASUSunDevil: it sounds like your problem is probably with the Zebra configuration. |
| 15:32 | The searching FAQ has steps to go through for troubleshooting Zebra. | |
| 15:33 | Do you get any results when you search on anything in the staff client or OPAC? | |
| 15:33 | ASUSunDevil | Yeah, the person that pointed me here said the same thing, but she didn't have much experience with Zebra, and this is all new to me. In both staff client and opac, if I just do a general search for the barcode, nothing. However, if I select the option to check out an item, it prompts for the barcode and it comes up just fine... |
| 15:34 | jcamins | ASUSunDevil: if you search for something other than barcode does it work? |
| 15:35 | A keyword, for example? | |
| 15:36 | ASUSunDevil | Yes, I can search by keyword, isbn, author, anything else. It just seems that the barcode item doesn't work. Actually, to be honest, I can search by anything that was imported by the z90 search when I imported the record from LCC. Ater that there's a window that lets you add things like barcode, shelving location, etc, those I cannot search on. So I am figuring that it must be some sort of indexing |
| 15:36 | thing. I just don't know how to fix it | |
| 15:36 | jcamins | Sounds like there's probably a problem with the livecd. 3.4 is old, and I never used the livecd at all. |
| 15:38 | ASUSunDevil | Yeah, I had a feeling this might be the issue. Well, maybe you guys can help me on this. My whole set up here is CentOS based, however, I find that there are other distributions that seem to work better with Koha (like, i can install it with apt or yast or whatever package manager comes with the distro). CentOS seems to need some manual hacking to get all of the Koha stuff to work. Can someone |
| 15:38 | suggest the best Linux distro that one should use to make a Koha implemenations as painless as possible? | |
| 15:38 | jcamins | Debian or Ubuntu. |
| 15:38 | And use packages. | |
| 15:40 | ASUSunDevil | Yeah, I think that is what I am shooting towards. I orginally used CentOS and had to do a bunch of manual set up. I want to try and avoid that if I can. Looks like Ubuntu is fairly popular, so I might go that route. Is there a release of Ubuntu that is preferred for the latest version of Koha (so all the libs and everything match up and work)? |
| 15:41 | jcamins | ASUSunDevil: I'd use the most recent version of Ubuntu Server. |
| 15:42 | ASUSunDevil | Sounds good, and from what I am told 3.8 is the most current release of Koha, is that correct? |
| 15:42 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 15:42 | ASUSunDevil | Excellent, that you all so much! I'll get to work on that, hopefully 3.8 will solve most of my problems. Thanks agian! |
| 15:43 | jcamins | Good luck. |
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| 15:49 | jcamins | francharb: around? |
| 15:49 | unimarc? | |
| 15:49 | wahanui | unimarc is http://www.ifla.org/en/publica[…]ted-documentation |
| 15:50 | ASUSunDevil | jcamins: one last question, is there a preference of Debian over Ubuntu? Or are they both fairly starightforward for installing Koha? Is there a industry standard on the OS for Koha that everyone seems to use over most others? |
| 15:50 | jcamins | Any other UNIMARCers might be able to help me, too. |
| 15:51 | ASUSunDevil: I don't think it really makes a difference. I use Debian for development and Ubuntu Server on my servers. | |
| 15:51 | ASUSunDevil | excellent, that helps me out a lot. Thanks agian! |
| 15:51 | jcamins | You're welcome. |
| 15:53 | slef | zzzz |
| 15:55 | jcamins | slef: come now, authorities aren't *that* boring. |
| 15:58 | * jcamins | mumbles imprecations about standards. |
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| 16:05 | hdl1 | ASUSunDevil: what is your problem with UNIMARC? |
| 16:05 | jcamins | hdl1: I'm the one with the UNIMARC problem. |
| 16:05 | Well, not so much a problem as a question. | |
| 16:06 | I'm trying to understand authorities. | |
| 16:06 | hdl1 | jcamins: ? |
| 16:06 | and ? | |
| 16:06 | jcamins | If we have an authority with a 245 field (for example), where would I find the heading in a bib? |
| 16:07 | hdl1 | ah.... |
| 16:07 | Well... | |
| 16:07 | kind of a challenge. | |
| 16:08 | You may find it in a 6XX field. | |
| 16:08 | But you may also find it as PART of a 6XX field | |
| 16:09 | http://www.bnf.fr/documents/UnimarcA.pdf | |
| 16:09 | jcamins | Okay, I think that answers my question, thanks! |
| 16:10 | hdl1 | in this document, page 2, you have the standards. |
| 16:10 | BUT.... there is a but, you may also find composed authorities just as in Rameau. | |
| 16:11 | http://guiderameau.bnf.fr/pdf/rameau_0001.pdf | |
| 16:12 | librarians can compose an authority heading | |
| 16:12 | with multiple authorities | |
| 16:12 | jcamins | Okay, that's similar to the way it works in MARC21, though it looks like UNIMARC is more flexible. |
| 16:15 | hdl1 | this leads to 606 $311935621$aHistoire universelle$z20e siècle$311931877$xDictionnaires$2rameau |
| 16:15 | 606 $311971242$aGéopolitique$311975995$z20e siècle$311931877$xDictionnaires$2rameau | |
| 16:15 | where $a is a topic | |
| 16:15 | And $z another topic | |
| 16:15 | And $x another one | |
| 16:16 | jcamins | Ah-ha. |
| 16:16 | hdl1 | and $z a chronological topic. |
| 16:16 | each $3 is in fact the id of the topic. | |
| 16:18 | jcamins | So if I have a 2xx field in an authority, it could be turned into a 6xx field for a bib, but the 6xx field in the bib might need to be divided into several authorities. |
| 16:40 | * chris_n | wanders off in search of food |
| 16:48 | kyleh | is this actually a bug, or is it intended? bug 8137 |
| 16:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8137 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Checkout limit by patron category for all libraries |
| 16:50 | wizzyrea | right, that is similar to something we see with holds sometimes |
| 16:50 | at least I think it is. | |
| 16:51 | I think what you need | |
| 16:51 | is a rule for WTMP in every library | |
| 16:51 | which isn't how the default should work. | |
| 16:52 | kyleh | won't that still only count the issues for items of the home library, just for each home library? |
| 16:52 | wizzyrea | we actually have the opposite situation here, we prefer the rules of the holding branch |
| 16:53 | I think what happens | |
| 16:53 | is if you have a rule defined for any library, if there is a mismatch between home/holding branch | |
| 16:54 | the rule needs to be duplicated in every branch | |
| 16:54 | well, let me rephrase | |
| 16:54 | if you have a rule by patron category defined for any library | |
| 16:54 | for example | |
| 16:54 | (same with itemtypes, btw) | |
| 16:54 | we have a rule, walkin itypes are no hold allowed | |
| 16:55 | if we define one rule for a patron category in a branch | |
| 16:55 | we have to add a rule for patroncat - itype for walkin | |
| 16:55 | otherwise no hold items will be picked for that patron category | |
| 16:55 | which sounds similar to your situation, to me, after a fashion. | |
| 16:56 | kyleh | thanks, I'll try it and see what happens. |
| 16:57 | wizzyrea | i'm glad that you were able to grok that, it's difficult to explain. |
| 16:58 | hdl1 | kyleh: for what it is worth, i would too consider it a bug... But I have a very pessimistic view of circulation rules. |
| 16:58 | jcamins | kyleh: I was just looking at the sub, and being totally baffled. |
| 16:58 | hdl1 | BibLibre have had circulation rules revamping proposed. |
| 16:59 | jcamins | Fortunately, it turned out I didn't need to do anything with TooMany. |
| 16:59 | kyleh | it's *interesting* to say the least. |
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| 16:59 | hdl1 | But it never got pushed. |
| 17:00 | oleonard | Hi all |
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| 17:02 | jcamins | Oh, Perl. Please don't be so confusing. |
| 17:03 | kyleh | i think circcontrol is being mis-used here. It should use the maxissueqty for the item's home library ( or fallback to the 'all libraries' rule ), but it should still count all issues from any library. |
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| 17:13 | nengard | magnuse around? |
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| 17:34 | Oak | how are you today nengard ? |
| 17:34 | nengard | a-ok |
| 17:34 | you? | |
| 17:35 | Oak | b-ok |
| 17:35 | nengard | @later tell magnuse i pushed your patches to the 3.8 manual - let me know if they're for 3.6 as well |
| 17:35 | huginn | nengard: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:35 | Oak | nengard++ |
| 17:35 | nengard, you are not here much these days? | |
| 17:35 | nengard | I'm logged in every day |
| 17:35 | Oak | but quiet |
| 17:35 | nengard | just been quiet |
| 17:35 | hehe | |
| 17:36 | yes, lots and lots of work to do lately | |
| 17:36 | Oak | :) hmm |
| 17:36 | nengard | still not up to date on the 3.8 manual and 3.8.1 is already out |
| 17:36 | Oak | ah. well, good. but don't work too much. Vienna waits for you. |
| 17:36 | hmm. | |
| 17:37 | have some water. | |
| 17:37 | * Oak | goes to the fridge |
| 17:39 | Oak | i did my project in Koha... and it would not have been possible without the documentation you maintain... wanted to say that. thank you! |
| 17:40 | i had many tabs open all day scrolling up and down... | |
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| 17:40 | Oak | well. anyway. me quiet now. |
| 17:43 | hdl1 | magnuse: around ? |
| 17:43 | have a nice evening | |
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| 18:00 | * chris_n | notes that boolean charts in bugzilla don't seem to be enabled correctly |
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| 18:14 | oleonard | Ah nice, I've finally trained myself to ask whether I *really* want to investigate another tags-related bug. |
| 18:20 | chris_n | ahh... a programmed response to an external stimuli |
| 18:20 | stimulus rather | |
| 18:22 | oleonard | I would un-assign myself from Bug 7694 if I could. |
| 18:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7694 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Syndetics_Editons not included |
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| 18:36 | chris_n | oleonard: you could always just randomly assign it to someone else ;-) |
| 18:36 | oleonard | it would do just as much good. |
| 18:39 | * chris_n | imagines a new bz button "Random Reassignment" |
| 18:44 | Oak | me go sleep now. |
| 18:44 | later. | |
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| 19:01 | wizzyrea | whoa, that bug is … what does that even mean. |
| 19:02 | jcamins | Huh? |
| 19:02 | wizzyrea | bug 7694 |
| 19:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7694 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Syndetics_Editons not included |
| 19:02 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 19:02 | No idea. | |
| 19:02 | oleonard | It's so specific as to really demand an in house assignment |
| 19:02 | wizzyrea | i mean, I know what syndetics is |
| 19:02 | * oleonard | cannot find a previous revision of circulation.pl that included the OPAC note (Bug 7506) |
| 19:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7506 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , opac note not showing in staff client anymore |
| 19:03 | wizzyrea | uh, I don't think it ever has |
| 19:03 | that's not the purpose of opac note. | |
| 19:03 | jcamins | That's why it's called the OPAC note. |
| 19:03 | (see what I did there?:) | |
| 19:04 | wizzyrea | and actually, I think we need to get rid of those notes |
| 19:04 | they are redundant | |
| 19:04 | in favor of the messaging system. | |
| 19:04 | oleonard | How do you mean wizzyrea? |
| 19:05 | wizzyrea | there are notes in the edit patron screen |
| 19:06 | oleonard | Oh, by messaging system you mean the notes added on circ |
| 19:06 | wizzyrea | right |
| 19:06 | http://screencast.com/t/19ryC14Tld | |
| 19:07 | I think we should get rid of the OPAC note in the edit screen. | |
| 19:07 | well both of the notes really. | |
| 19:07 | there's nothing you can do with them that you can't do with the messaging system. | |
| 19:07 | unless you know of something. | |
| 19:09 | Also | |
| 19:09 | she's wrong - it does show on the patron screen | |
| 19:10 | *if you use the messaging system* | |
| 19:10 | but not if you use the opac note in the edit borrower | |
| 19:10 | * wizzyrea | will note that on the bug |
| 19:10 | oleonard | I think that's what she means by "but there are messages that are OPAC specific and those show in the staff client" |
| 19:11 | wizzyrea | well, but you said that it had never done what she says it has? |
| 19:11 | at least you couldn't find it? | |
| 19:11 | and if the fix is "make it so that shows there" I'd contend that we don't need that note at all | |
| 19:12 | oleonard | I just added a comment to that effect |
| 19:12 | wizzyrea | *nod* I think we have a problem similar to the notices/messaging tab conundrum of yore. |
| 19:12 | something new was added and the old feature wasn't taken out. | |
| 19:14 | oleonard | I wonder how you would convert existing notes to use the messaging system? What library would you assign them to? Patron home branch maybe? |
| 19:14 | wizzyrea | well yea, the current note doesn't say |
| 19:14 | who dun it | |
| 19:15 | maybe "patron homebranch (migrated)" or something | |
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| 19:24 | chris_n | heya sekjal |
| 19:24 | sekjal | hi, chris_n |
| 19:28 | was reading up on the Catalyst framework... sounds like it'd make development much, much easier | |
| 19:29 | wires nicely into T:T, DBIx, Solr, PSGI/FastCGI, etc | |
| 19:29 | * oleonard | solicits opinions on the Koha list about patron messages/notes |
| 19:29 | * chris_n | has done some work w/catalyst |
| 19:29 | chris_n | but only on in-house apps |
| 19:30 | jcamins | sekjal: libsysguy has been working on a proof-of-concept porting Koha to catalyst. |
| 19:30 | * chris_n | thinks that's a tall order :) |
| 19:30 | sekjal | jcamins: I remember him talking a bit Catalyst.... I'd be interested to see his work |
| 19:31 | not something I can throw time at, myself, as excited as I may be | |
| 19:31 | jcamins | sekjal: he had some problems with pushing to his git repository, and I don't think he's figured them out yet. |
| 19:31 | Oh, I may be mistaken. | |
| 19:31 | https://github.com/libsysguy/koha-catalyst | |
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| 19:33 | sekjal | nice |
| 19:38 | rangi | Morning |
| 19:38 | wizzyrea | heya |
| 19:38 | jcamins | Morning. |
| 19:38 | wahanui | morning is, like, a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast |
| 19:40 | oleonard | A belated happy birthday to you rangi |
| 19:41 | rangi | Thanks oleonard |
| 19:58 | * oleonard | must quit |
| 19:59 | oleonard | See y'all tomorrow |
| 19:59 | rangi | Cya |
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| 20:03 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 20:03 | huginn | chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 20.0°C (3:55 PM EDT on May 22, 2012). Conditions: Heavy Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009 hPa (Rising). |
| 20:03 | chris_n | s/Heavy Rain/Heavy $0.05-sized Hail/ |
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| 20:20 | chris_n | glue please... |
| 20:20 | * jcamins | passes the glue. |
| 20:21 | rangi | heh |
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| 20:21 | jcamins | Well, that didn't work. |
| 20:22 | francharb_afk | hi all |
| 20:22 | rangi | oooh |
| 20:22 | a wild francharb_afk appears | |
| 20:22 | :) | |
| 20:23 | you're outside your timezone :) | |
| 20:23 | * chris_n | tries to regain his balance |
| 20:23 | francharb_afk | do you know if there is a simple way to get every authid that does'nt have linked biblio? |
| 20:23 | rangi, tonight, I'm testing a wild migration! | |
| 20:23 | rangi | hmm http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ytext.pl?RC=16839 <--- interesting |
| 20:23 | francharb_afk | :) |
| 20:23 | rangi | francharb_afk: ahhh :) |
| 20:23 | jcamins | francharb_afk: there is not. |
| 20:23 | francharb_afk | great! |
| 20:23 | :) | |
| 20:23 | jcamins | francharb_afk: there are not difficult ways, though. |
| 20:23 | * jcamins | thinks about what non-difficult ways there are. |
| 20:24 | jcamins | Easiest would be to write a little script to give you a list of unused authorities. |
| 20:24 | francharb_afk | i have these crazy sql report in mind but I fear the server i 'm testing on would go down if 'im using it... |
| 20:24 | :) | |
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| 20:26 | francharb_afk | to many "extractValue" in one sql report are never a good idea... |
| 20:26 | :) | |
| 20:26 | rangi | francharb_afk: this might help you keep positive when doing a crazy migration http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Gr[…]+Time/SQ7fE?src=5 |
| 20:26 | jcamins | Yeah, it'd definitely bring down the server. |
| 20:26 | rangi | francharb_afk: do you have access to the db from the cli? |
| 20:27 | francharb_afk | ahah! I like the music! |
| 20:27 | rangi | you could do it by doing one extract value into a temporary table, then another into another table |
| 20:27 | * rangi | finds temporary tables quite handy |
| 20:27 | francharb_afk | but when I'm testing something very wild I need over brutal music! it's war time in my head!!! |
| 20:27 | ;) | |
| 20:28 | rangi | oh, hmm ill get you something for that |
| 20:28 | francharb_afk | rangi, humm, sounds like what I have in ming |
| 20:28 | mind | |
| 20:29 | but I think there a migration running on the same server | |
| 20:29 | rangi | ahhh |
| 20:29 | jcamins | francharb_afk: how many authorities are there? |
| 20:29 | francharb_afk | and I noticed some slow... |
| 20:29 | rangi | bit trickier then |
| 20:29 | francharb_afk | jcamins, way too much |
| 20:29 | 450000 something | |
| 20:29 | jcamins | Ouch! |
| 20:29 | francharb_afk | :) |
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| 20:30 | jcamins | I think your only options are ExtractValue or a script that uses SearchAuthorities to get the metadata. |
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| 20:31 | francharb_afk | jcamins, since I'm not into coding, I will go with the ExtractValue option but later... |
| 20:31 | ;) | |
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| 20:32 | jcamins | francharb_afk: misc/migration_tools/remove_unused_authorities.pl? :D |
| 20:32 | Use -t to see if it'll do what you want. | |
| 20:32 | francharb_afk | :) |
| 20:32 | perfect! | |
| 20:32 | jcamins | I thought I remembered that paul_p had written a script to do that. |
| 20:33 | francharb_afk | I going to save my database first! |
| 20:33 | jcamins | Now, why did my authority deduplicator delete only 804 authorities in an authority file with 176k authorities? |
| 20:33 | Yes! | |
| 20:33 | rangi | never a bad idea |
| 20:33 | * chris_n | quits while he can |
| 20:33 | jcamins | *Always* a good idea. |
| 20:34 | Figured it out. Never mind. | |
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| 20:38 | kathryn | morning : ) |
| 20:39 | wizzyrea | mornin kathryn |
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| 20:41 | rangi | chris_n: did you get my message? |
| 20:42 | kathryn | hi there wizzyrea |
| 20:49 | sekjal | goodnight, #koha! |
| 20:50 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 20:50 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #194: "oleonard: Everyone will be all, Wow, that guys smells like he really wishes he could have sex!" (added by wizzyrea at 06:55 PM, March 29, 2012) |
| 20:50 | wizzyrea | LOL |
| 20:50 | rangi | heh |
| 20:50 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 20:50 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #83: "<wizzyrea> you can watch the sunrise around the world in #koha" (added by druthb at 06:29 PM, July 13, 2010) |
| 20:50 | wizzyrea | still true. :) |
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| 20:55 | jcamins | libsysguy: sekjal was asking about Catalyst. |
| 20:55 | He's gone now. | |
| 20:55 | libsysguy | haha i saw that on G+ |
| 20:55 | I was hoping to catch him | |
| 20:55 | dang it sekjal lol | |
| 20:56 | logs? | |
| 20:56 | wahanui | logs is, like, http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 20:56 | francharb_afk | jcamins, have you ever used the remose_unused_authoritites.pl script? |
| 20:56 | I just ran it | |
| 20:57 | and it gave me | |
| 20:57 | ./remove_unused_authorities.pl -t | |
| 20:57 | 0 authorities parsed, 0 deleted and 0 unchanged because used | |
| 20:57 | but I just found at least 1 authorities that should have been deleted I ran it for real | |
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| 20:58 | francharb_afk | (oh god, i'm with english tenses!) |
| 20:58 | hehe | |
| 20:58 | anyway... is the -t option working? | |
| 20:58 | jcamins | francharb_afk: I have never actually tried that script. |
| 20:59 | francharb_afk | hehe |
| 20:59 | :) | |
| 20:59 | jcamins | I just knew it existed. |
| 20:59 | francharb_afk | I will find another way then! |
| 20:59 | :) | |
| 21:00 | and I'm realizing that most of my sentences are missing words... | |
| 21:00 | maybe, it's time for to go to bed! | |
| 21:00 | rangi | hehe |
| 21:00 | its 11pm isnt it? | |
| 21:00 | jcamins | That's okay. My deduplicator only wants to delete 800 authorities in an authority file with 176k records. |
| 21:01 | francharb_afk | rangi, yep |
| 21:02 | jcamins | Actually, that might not be entirely unreasonable. |
| 21:02 | Go figure. | |
| 21:02 | francharb_afk | hummm, obviously, there are duplicate authorities in this migration! I need to find out why and then, time to sleep!! |
| 21:02 | testing migration is fun! | |
| 21:02 | libsysguy | headed to gym…probably won't be back till tomorrow |
| 21:02 | datadoctor | mmmm sleep! |
| 21:03 | jcamins | francharb_afk: maybe I need your database then to test the deduplicator! ;) |
| 21:03 | libsysguy | later #koha |
| 21:03 | datadoctor | nodding off... |
| 21:03 | francharb_afk | :) |
| 21:03 | datadoctor | good luck deduplicating! and good evening all. |
| 21:04 | francharb_afk | jcamins, do you know that biblibre worked on deduplicate script too? |
| 21:04 | jcamins | francharb_afk: I had an old deduplicator script, but it didn't work. Do you have a new one? |
| 21:05 | francharb_afk | hdl worked on a new script lately |
| 21:05 | jcamins | Hmm. |
| 21:05 | francharb_afk | but we had problem when merging authorities heading in biblios |
| 21:06 | I think he fixed it | |
| 21:06 | but you should ask him later | |
| 21:06 | * jcamins | goes looking for the script. |
| 21:06 | francharb_afk | jcamins, I don"t know where it is now |
| 21:06 | jcamins | francharb_afk: if I can't find it I'll ask hdl. |
| 21:06 | francharb_afk | :) |
| 21:06 | jcamins | Of course, my deduplicator may be close to done. |
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| 21:15 | francharb_afk | \0/ |
| 21:15 | it's not our script fault | |
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| 21:15 | francharb_afk | the duplicates are in the authority export the library gave us |
| 21:15 | rangi | hi cait |
| 21:15 | francharb_afk | I can go to bed peacefull |
| 21:16 | jcamins | Made it to Hamburg? |
| 21:16 | francharb_afk | hi cait |
| 21:16 | cait | hi all :) |
| 21:16 | jcamins | francharb_afk: that's what I need! I need to know that my deduplicator is removing all the duplicates! |
| 21:16 | It's only removed 804 so far. | |
| 21:16 | cait | yes, made it to hamburg, went to see 2 sessions and had dinner :) |
| 21:16 | jcamins | I'm trying again with a different option. |
| 21:19 | francharb_afk | jcamins, I wish I could find time to help you! |
| 21:19 | jcamins | francharb_afk: that's okay. |
| 21:19 | francharb_afk | good luck! |
| 21:19 | jcamins | I'm still fiddling. |
| 21:19 | Thanks. | |
| 21:19 | Woohoo! | |
| 21:19 | 1304! | |
| 21:20 | francharb_afk | and good night! |
| 21:20 | see yaaa | |
| 21:20 | jcamins | In ten minutes. |
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| 21:30 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 24.193.130.86 pasted "DEDUP_AUTHORITIES(1) User Cont" (62 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/408 |
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| 21:36 | wizzyrea | jcamins++ nice work |
| 21:36 | jcamins | wizzyrea: thanks. |
| 21:37 | rangi | yep, that is cool ! |
| 21:37 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I don't think you saw the POD for my heading flipper, either. |
| 21:37 | Put together, link_bibs_to_authorities, flip_headings, and dedup_authorities make it almost bearable to have authorities in Koha. | |
| 21:37 | * wizzyrea | admits that authorities are somewhat beyond her, as her system doesn't (currently) use them |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea | (in a meaningful way) |
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| 21:44 | * jcamins | adds a --report option. |
| 21:45 | jcamins | Also, very cool feature of dedup_authorities and flip_headings: if you hit Ctrl-C to cancel it, you'll get a summary of what it did. |
| 21:47 | rangi | nice! |
| 21:50 | wizzyrea | Ooooooo |
| 21:50 | good one. | |
| 21:53 | cait1 | jcamins++ |
| 22:08 | rangi | hmm i think this is not going to go well |
| 22:08 | jcamins | rangi: uh-oh. What's that? |
| 22:08 | rangi | the mailing list koha-deps.pl thread |
| 22:08 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 22:08 | Wow. | |
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| 22:09 | rangi | reformat your box now and run away |
| 22:09 | hehe | |
| 22:10 | bag | @wunder 93109 |
| 22:10 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 19.7°C (3:10 PM PDT on May 22, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Falling). Wind Advisory in effect until 9 am PDT Thursday... |
| 22:16 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #731 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 22:19 | mtj | chris_n: about? |
| 22:20 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 3521 - Items table in catalogue/detail.pl and cataloguing/additem.pl is sorted... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]460f7d633db88ca14> / Bug 7948 - Printing transfer slip loses barcode field focus <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8a7ca377b6f0cfaac> / Bug 8057 - Error when adding a patron with email address <http: |
| 22:23 | jcamins | rangi: this one is *all* yours. |
| 22:23 | mtj: the caching stuff is really cool. Bug 8092. | |
| 22:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Koha should use CHI caching framework |
| 22:23 | jcamins | It's also optional, so if it were incorporated right now, everything would continue working just as it does now. |
| 22:23 | :) | |
| 22:24 | mtj | im gonna have a go at QA-ing chris_n's quotes patch now |
| 22:24 | jcamins | Woohoo! |
| 22:24 | Even better! | |
| 22:24 | mtj | ... in case someone else was about to start |
| 22:24 | * jcamins | wasn't. |
| 22:24 | jcamins | mtj++ |
| 22:24 | And there's more karma in it once you've finished with the QAing. | |
| 22:24 | ;) | |
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| 23:02 | rangi | im done |
| 23:02 | thats as much of that thread as i can handle in a day | |
| 23:07 | mtj | ah... yep :) |
| 23:08 | so, the quotes stuff looks good | |
| 23:09 | heres my Q? can-i/should-i rebase those 18 individual patches into 1 patch? | |
| 23:09 | rangi | i wouldnt |
| 23:09 | but thats a personal opinion | |
| 23:10 | huge patches are a mess to debug | |
| 23:10 | mtj | i prefer to squash that stuff down :) |
| 23:10 | rangi | yeah that makes maintenance harder |
| 23:10 | imho | |
| 23:10 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #731: SUCCESS in 54 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/731/ |
| 23:10 | * m.de.rooy: Bug 7788: [SIGNED-OFF] Remove two unused calls to GetShelf | |
| 23:11 | * m.de.rooy: Bug 7788: [SIGNED-OFF] Followup: GetShelf call in addbybiblio script corrected | |
| 23:11 | * kyle: Bug 8057 - Error when adding a patron with email address | |
| 23:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7788 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Tiny problems with calling GetShelf |
| 23:11 | jenkins_koha | * kyle: Bug 7948 - Printing transfer slip loses barcode field focus |
| 23:11 | * kyle: Bug 3521 - Items table in catalogue/detail.pl and cataloguing/additem.pl is sorted nonsensically | |
| 23:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8057 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Error when adding a patron with email address |
| 23:11 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7948 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Passed QA , Printing transfer slip loses barcode field focus | |
| 23:11 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3521 enhancement, P3, ---, koha.sekjal, Pushed to Master , Items table in catalogue/detail.pl and cataloguing/additem.pl is sorted nonsensically | |
| 23:11 | mtj | so, now i'm looking for a way to add a sign-off string to each of those patches, before i 'git-bz attach' them |
| 23:12 | bag | bug 7065 |
| 23:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7065 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , reserves table needs a primary key |
| 23:12 | rangi | one way, fresh branch, apply 1, sign off, attach, apply 2nd, sign off attach |
| 23:13 | jcamins_away | mtj: I generally end up cherry-picking them one at a time. |
| 23:13 | filter-tree also works. | |
| 23:13 | * jcamins_away | leaves again. |
| 23:13 | eythian | you can do an interactive rebase and commit --amend -s at each step I think |
| 23:14 | mtj | cool... i'm def. not doing it manually :) |
| 23:47 | rangi | we dont have a syspref to control the titlenotes tab eh? needs to be hidden with jquery/css ? |
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