IRC log for #koha, 2012-04-25

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02:05	druthb	o/
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03:45	vkm	hello good morning all
04:22		i am using Book(BK) for field 942$c than dividing it into three item type if there are 3 copy of the same book in field 952 as reference, Book, General but at the time of searching BOOK only in opac system gives result of all but when restricting with reference system gives only reference item please tell me why, is it may be bcz BOOK is comonly used in bibli
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05:16	cait	hi #koha
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05:56	vkm	hello all
06:01		i use 942c for material type (BOOK) and if there are many copy we divide it in Reference, Book bank, Books in field 952 type but at the time of searching Book only from opac it shows reference, book bank, books also but work well when selecting reference only
06:04		i want to also clarify that BOOK type is common in biblio
06:08		should i keep (BOOK) for only 942 and make separate for 952 fields instead of using code of 942c
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06:25	francharb	good morning
06:28	cait	hi francharb :)
06:28		@wunder Konstanz
06:28	huginn	cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 7.9°C (8:24 AM CEST on April 25, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
06:30	cait	hmmm
06:33	alex_a	bonjour
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06:46	Oak	kia ora #koha
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06:50	julian_m	hello
06:51	magnuse	kia ora #koha!
06:51		@wunder boo
06:51	huginn	magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on April 25, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
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06:56	magnuse	@wunder marseille
06:56	huginn	magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 12.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on April 25, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising).
06:56	magnuse	ooh
06:57	Oak	magnuse
07:00	magnuse	Oak
07:00		:-)
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07:07	esofiane	Hi everybody
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07:14	kf	good morning #koha
07:15	magnuse	guten morgen kf
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07:17	sophie_m	hi #koha
07:18	magnuse	bonjour sophie_m
07:18	sophie_m	hello magnuse
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07:19	samuel	hello everybody!
07:19	magnuse	hiya samuel
07:23	rangi	evening
07:23	kf	evening rangi
07:27	magnuse	ata marie rangi
07:31	rangi	http://koha.maktabat-online.org/
07:33	magnuse	not quite up to date?
07:33		but cool anyway
07:35	rangi	nope quite old, but yeah cool anyway :)
08:41	magnuse	can your ILS do this? http://vimeo.com/39461899
08:41		;-)
08:42	kf	oh - yeah that's a good video :)
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09:03	Amit_Gupta	heya gaetan_B
09:03	wahanui	gaetan_B is probably looking at bug 7693
09:03	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7693 minor, P5 - low, ---, gaetan.boisson, Pushed to Master , clear screen button misaligned
09:03	Amit_Gupta	heya wahanui
09:05	kf	forget gaetan_B
09:05	wahanui	kf: I forgot gaetan_b
09:05	kf	gaetan_B works at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat
09:06		gaetan_B is working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat
09:06		gaetan_B?
09:06	wahanui	gaetan_B is, like, working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat
09:06	gaetan_B	:)
09:06	* gaetan_B	is at an important meeting ;)
09:13	kf	oh?
09:14		gaetan_B: asking for a raise? ;)
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09:24	clrh	hello
09:25	kf	hi clrh and hdl :)
09:27	magnuse	bonjour!
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10:03	Amit_Gupta	heya kf hdl :)
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10:34	narcisgarcia	Hello all, I'm trying to install Koha in a Debian 6 server, and I have some doubt to ask.
10:35		I'm at this point:
10:35		http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ueeze#Quick_Start
10:35		And I don't find anywhere documented the variables DOMAIN, INTRAPORT, INTRAPREFIX, INTRASUFFIX.
10:36		- Can I specify "*" to accept any domain?
10:37		- What means the proposed value "-intra" for INTRASUFFIX?
10:38		My installation is to be used from internet and LAN.
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10:43	narcisgarcia	Hello Oak
10:43	Oak	hello narcisgarcia
10:43	narcisgarcia	I'm trying to install Koha in a Debian 6 server, and I have some doubt to ask.
10:44	Oak	okay, i'll try to help
10:44	narcisgarcia	I'm at this point:
10:44		http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ueeze#Quick_Start
10:44		And I don't find anywhere documented the variables DOMAIN, INTRAPORT, INTRAPREFIX, INTRASUFFIX.
10:46	Oak	what do you get when you type http://localhost on your browser
10:47	narcisgarcia	"The requested URL / was not found on this server."
10:47		(is not localhost; another server)
10:48	Oak	is it a remote server?
10:48	narcisgarcia	Can help me some of the utilities which I see installed on /usr/sbin/ ?
10:49		Yes, I'm on my desktop making the installation on a remote web server.
10:49	Oak	on Internet or on a local neteork?
10:50	narcisgarcia	My installation is to be used from internet and LAN, but I'm now working on internet.
10:50		DOMAIN: Can I specify "*" to accept any domain?
10:51	Oak	sorry, I have never done that, and I am not sure how you are doing that... your server has an Internet IP? anyway, i hope someone might be able to help...
10:52	narcisgarcia	(this is a strange channel, with 45 silent users)
10:53		Yes, of course my server has a public IP and I can associate internet domain names to it.
10:53		Oak, thanks for the try.
10:54		Are you looking for other help?
10:56	Oak	what do you mean?
10:57	narcisgarcia	I understand that this is a Koha support channel. Do you need support?
10:58	Oak	are you a troll?
10:59	* Oak	goes for lunch
10:59	narcisgarcia	Am I wrong in some detail?
10:59		What come to do the 40+ users connected to this channel?
11:00		I'm trying to use a software and I came to a support resource advertised in the community web.
11:00		Simple.
11:02		Once seen that this IRC channel doesn't work, I'm going to try with a mailing list/forum.
11:02	liw	much of the Koha community is in the US (still asleep) or in NZ/Australia (going to sleep if not asleep already); Europeans are probalby having lunch right now, and that's why it's silent here
11:02	kf	liw++
11:03	liw	however, being pushy and aggressive when asking for advice from a community is often a good way to cause resentment in those who would help
11:03	narcisgarcia	Yes, I'm in Europe. But when I go to sleep I don't leave chat connections on, in the same way I don't leave a phone call open.
11:03	kf	narcisgarcia: it's different here
11:03		a lotof people stay connected
11:03		and a lot of people are at work too
11:04	narcisgarcia	Ok.
11:04	liw	my e-mail server accepts messages even when I am asleep; so does my irc client
11:04	kf	I think you are installing using hte packages, so perhaps this is of some help for you
11:04		packages?
11:04	wahanui	it has been said that packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
11:04	narcisgarcia	The sense of a chat is the live talking.
11:05		Thanks.
11:05		Yes, I've used the repository documented in the wiki
11:05		deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main
11:05	magnuse	narcisgarcia: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]e_Debian_packages
11:06		that gives you an overview of what the koha-*commands do
11:06	narcisgarcia	A Koha instance is like an Apache site profile?
11:06	magnuse	yeah, similar
11:07		you can have many instances on the same server
11:07	narcisgarcia	Then I need to remove default Apache profile, If I will not use any other service in the same server?
11:08	magnuse	disabling the default apache site is a good idea, yes
11:08		if you are not using it for something else
11:08	narcisgarcia	This Debian server i installed only for Koha.
11:08	magnuse	do you have a domain name for the server that you are installing on?
11:08		ok
11:09	narcisgarcia	Yes, I have an internet domain name, but Does koha allow to use different domains or subdomains?
11:10	magnuse	using subdomains is usually a good idea
11:10		you can have koha.example.org
11:11		the variables you asked about are for telling koha-create what you want the urls of the opac and the intranet to be
11:11	narcisgarcia	And koha1.example.org library.example.net ?
11:11	magnuse	you can have as many subdomains with koha on them as you want, yes
11:11	narcisgarcia	And can I allow any name (*)?
11:11	magnuse	no
11:12		you have to give each instance a name, and that will corespond to a subdomain
11:12		so lets say your domain is example.org
11:12		you can then create an instance called koha1 and have that available as koha1.example.org
11:13		to do that you have to set DOMAIN=".example.org"
11:13	narcisgarcia	If I specify DOMAIN=".net" then I can create an instance "example" for an URL http://example.net/" ?
11:13	magnuse	if you then create koha2, it will become koha2.example.org
11:13		hm, i never tried that, but yes i think that should work
11:14	narcisgarcia	I need to create "koha2.example" to result in http://koha2.example.net/ , right?
11:14	magnuse	i think i would do it the first way
11:14	narcisgarcia	Then, the minimum domain expression is the top level (.net .org ...)
11:15		Ok.
11:15	magnuse	if you want one koha site at example.net and another at koha.example.net, i think you first need to set DOMAIN=".net" and create an instance "example", then set DOMAIN="example.net" and create an instance called "koha"
11:16		now, koha has two interfaces
11:16	narcisgarcia	Then, in the "Quick Start" step of the wiki guide for 3.6, I better can avoid editing "/etc/koha/koha-sites.conf" and use  koha-create, right?
11:16	magnuse	as far as i rememeber, you have to create /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf
11:17	narcisgarcia	What implies "one interface" or "two interfaces" ? Will share the same database, or will be a "multisite" use of Koha (unrelated between)
11:17		?
11:17	magnuse	no, each installation has two interfaces with the same database
11:17		one interface for the public and one for the librarians
11:17		what most people do is run the librarian interface on port 8080
11:18		but you could also run it on e.g. koha1-admin.example.org
11:18	narcisgarcia	Ok, there is not a link like "librarian login" in the same public interface...
11:18	magnuse	INTRAPORT, INTRAPREFIX and INTRASUFFIX are for telling koha-create what you want it to be
11:18		no, no link from the public interface to the librarian interface
11:19	narcisgarcia	Then, better I can make a public.example.net + librarians.example.net
11:20		And both will share the same file /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf ?
11:20		It's right for me to use only the port 80.
11:20	magnuse	not /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf, but /etc/koha/sites/yoursitename/koha-conf.xml
11:21		there is a small problem there, though
11:21	narcisgarcia	in http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze talks only about /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf
11:21	magnuse	you can't tell koha-create to create totally different subdomains
11:21		for koha1 it can create koha1.example.org and e.g. koha1-admin.example.org
11:22		but you can always tweak the apache site configuration afterwards
11:22	narcisgarcia	They are different same as my last example.
11:22	magnuse	if you want to change from koha1-admin.example.org to admin.example.org
11:22		ah, i might have misread you
11:22	narcisgarcia	Oook, the INTRASUFFIX is to add a suffix to the subdomain word (?)
11:23	magnuse	yes!
11:23	narcisgarcia	Strange design in Koha.
11:23	magnuse	hehe
11:23		you're wlcome to suggest improvements! :-)
11:24	liw	there's a Koha hackfest coming up in Edinburgh, June; improving the initial setup of stuff with the Debian packages would be a good thing to work on, perhaps
11:24	narcisgarcia	Improvement to suggest: replace current variables for: PUBLICPORT, PUBLICDOMAIN, ADMINPORT, ADMINDOMAIN.
11:25	mtj	narcisgarcia: these installation tools are not Koha - they are separate from Koha
11:25	narcisgarcia	OK.
11:25	magnuse	mtj: not sure i'd agree with that :-)
11:25	mtj	so, strange design in 3rd-party Koha installation tools... ;)
11:26	* liw	takes full blame for this :-)
11:26	magnuse	how are they 3-rd party?
11:26	narcisgarcia	As I understand until now, /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf is a template to be used by  koha-create, right?
11:26	magnuse	narcisgarcia: yup
11:27	mtj	magnuse: the install tools do not exist in the Koha git repo
11:27	magnuse	mtj: yes they do
11:27	narcisgarcia	Then I need first to setup /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf and after run koha-create anyway.
11:27	magnuse	yup
11:27	mtj	oops :) really?
11:27	magnuse	mtj: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3a40661a6;hb=HEAD
11:27		moahaha ;-)
11:28	mtj	aah, i take that back then! :)
11:28	magnuse	;-)
11:28	narcisgarcia	The INTRA* variables only refer to librarian interface and doesn't affect to public acces, right?
11:28	liw	is Koha packaged for any other distro than Debian? might be good to generalize those scripts if so
11:28	* magnuse	thinks liw deserves a ton of credit, not blame!
11:28	mtj	ok, now i shut up... :)
11:28	magnuse	narcisgarcia: correct
11:29	kf	liw: I don't think is is currently
11:29	magnuse	liw: rangi has some packages for ubuntu somewhere, but i think those are the only ones
11:29	narcisgarcia	I'm more happy now, thanks to magnuse. I will contribute to this part of the wiki.
11:29	magnuse	narcisgarcia++
11:31	narcisgarcia	One detail: If I create two instances, they share the database, but they are independent libraries with independent books?
11:31	magnuse	no, two instances have separate databases
11:32	kf	they are completely independent
11:32	magnuse	but you can have more then one library in one instance
11:32	narcisgarcia	Ok, It's only a possibility.
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11:33	magnuse	kia ora nengard
11:33	nengard	goo morning
11:33		or
11:33		good morning
11:33	narcisgarcia	Setting INTRAPORT to X, will also the public interface use this port?
11:33	nengard	:)
11:33	magnuse	goo morning sounds fun too ;-)
11:33	narcisgarcia	nengard, good morning.
11:33	kf	narcisgarcia: no, only the intranet
11:33		not the opac
11:33	narcisgarcia	The public interface always use the port 80?
11:34	magnuse	the public interface has to be on port 80
11:34		narcisgarcia: yes
11:34	kf	you can enforce login for search with the configuraton, if you are worried about that
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11:36	magnuse	Oak
11:36	narcisgarcia	Ok, comments added to:
11:36		http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ueeze#Quick_Start
11:38	magnuse	nice
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11:42	narcisgarcia	Can I use a dot "." in INTRAPREFIX ? For example "admin." ?
11:43	Oak	magnuse
11:43	narcisgarcia	Then get (public) library.example.net and (librarians) admin.library.example.net
11:43	Oak	magnuse, can I make barcode appear on OPAC search result?
11:43		wait, found a result in google
11:43	mtj	narcisgarcia:  you can configure your koha urls to be as weird as you want them too
11:44		well, as weird as apache will allow them to be
11:44	magnuse	narcisgarcia: i think that should work yes
11:44	mtj	... and on any ports you want too
11:44	magnuse	Oak: not sure
11:44	Oak	hmm
11:45	magnuse	well, i'm pretty sure you can't display the barcode
11:46		unless yu use 3.8 and create images for the barcodes that you display with the new supper cool "local images" functionality
11:47	Oak	magnuse, http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]ay-td4983784.html
11:47		that was in Nov 14, 2011
11:47		it should have been in 3.6.4, no?
11:47	jcamins_away	Oak: that's only for logged-in users.
11:48		Also, that's on the details page not the results page.
11:48	Oak	nah i know that one
11:48		the guy with the question was talking about what i want
11:48	magnuse	ah, why was i thinking barcode-as-image?
11:49	jcamins_away	magnuse: 'cause it's cool?
11:49	Oak	to display on opac results without logging in
11:49	magnuse	jcamins_away: yeah, probably
11:49	jcamins_away	Oak: yes, that can't be done.
11:49	Oak	why not?
11:49		i mean there must be some good reason?
11:49	jcamins_away	No one has cared enough to add it.
11:49	Oak	ah okay.
11:49	jcamins_away	No, there's no reason not to do it, it's just that no one has wanted it. ;)
11:49	magnuse	you could add it by editing the xslt for opac results, i guess?
11:50	jcamins_away	Yeah, that'd work.
11:50		Well, sort of.
11:50	magnuse	or is the item info not available to that?
11:50	jcamins_away	Multiple items would make things really ugly.
11:50	magnuse	yup
11:50	jcamins_away	Item info is available.
11:50	magnuse	ok
11:50	mtj	Oak:  that feature has not been submitted to Koha yet
11:50	Oak	hmmm
11:51	jcamins_away	If OSS Labs submits their code, you should definitely test it and sign off if it works.
11:51	mtj	hmm, Savitra says Nucsoft has submitted a patch
11:51	Oak	well, I'm about to print barcodes on a sticker sheet, and was wondering how to paste them... i mean a staff member should be able to type the barcode into opac, see the book title, and copy number, and paste that barcode on the book.
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11:52	vkm	hello all
11:52	Oak	by staff member i mean a data entry guy...
11:52	jcamins_away	Oak: why don't you have the staff member use the intranet?
11:52	Oak	who does not know Koha
11:52	mtj	... but Savitra gives no bug number
11:53	jcamins_away	mtj: I have not seen anything like that submitted in the last few years.
11:53	Oak	jcamins_away, well yes i'll teach him how to find out the barcodes in intranet then. yes that's the only way.
11:53	jcamins_away	Oak: it's no harder than the OPAC.
11:53	Oak	i know
11:53	mtj	bug 6774
11:53	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6774 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, amit.gupta, Failed QA , Display barcode on OPAC detail page
11:54	Oak	search an item, click "Add/Edit Items", click "Edit" on each copy ...
11:54	jcamins_away	mtj: that's the details page, not the results page.
11:54	mtj	but is OPAC display page only - not search-results page
11:54	jcamins_away	Oak: no...
11:54	vkm	i am using 942 for type of book and separating in 952 in case of multi copy like reference reserve etc
11:54	mtj	jcamins_away:  yep :)
11:54	Oak	is their an easier way jcamins_away ? less steps?
11:55	jcamins_away	Oak: yes, just view the record in the intranet.
11:55		Easy as pie.
11:55	vkm	but at the time of searching by limiting book only it shows all reserve reference
11:55	jcamins_away	There's a table with item information on the regular view in the intranet that lists all the barcodes.
11:56	vkm	but if i limit by reserve,reference it shows only that
11:57	Oak	jcamins_away, yes! awesome.
11:57		this will do.
11:57	jcamins_away	:)
11:58	magnuse	jcamins++
11:58	vkm	942 i am using in biblio record as a book only than separating in 952 like reference
11:58	Oak	jcamins++
11:59	vkm	book (BK) is used in 942 and 952 both
11:59		should i not use BK code in 952
12:02		i think book is commonly used for biblio record for material type so it is searching all reference, reserve etc when i limit by book
12:03		please reply i think the 942 item is commonly used for all the items in code 952 under one biblio record
12:05		so when i limit the search by 942 (BOOK) under which there are several type of books like reserve,reference in 952 so it shows like that
12:06	kf	vkm: 942 is only a default value, if your item-level_itypes system preference is set to specific item
12:07		vk
12:07		there are differnt ways to work with Koha, the system preference is crucial
12:07		if you want to have different itemtypes for the items on one record
12:07		set it to specific items and (almost) forget about 942
12:07	narcisgarcia	Oops, in the wiki talks about /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf but in the man page says /etc/koha/koha-site.conf (without the "s")
12:08	kf	if you see weird behaviour perhaps your system preference is set to the wrong value?
12:08	magnuse	narcisgarcia: looks like a typo
12:08	vkm	means 942c is not mandatory
12:08	narcisgarcia	And I see more variables: OPACPORT, OPACPREFIX, OPACSUFFIX, ZEBRA_MARC_FORMAT, ZEBRA_LANGUAGE
12:08		Which is the correct? With "s" or without?
12:09	magnuse	narcisgarcia: let me check
12:10		narcisgarcia: /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf is correct
12:10	narcisgarcia	Ok, then the man page for koha-create is to be corrected.
12:10		Thanks.
12:11	magnuse	narcisgarcia: want to report a bug for it? http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/
12:11	vkm	at present what i am doing is i made 942c as books and in 952 i am assigning reference because material is related to book
12:11	Amit_Gupta	heya magnuse
12:12	magnuse	hi Amit_Gupta
12:13	narcisgarcia	magnuse, Does that installation of bugzilla publish the email addresses?
12:14		(for my previous bad experiences with that software)
12:15	magnuse	yeah, they do show up
12:15	francharb	hi all
12:15		i got a zebra questoin
12:15	magnuse	narcisgarcia: i can report the bug if you dn't want to
12:15	francharb	is it possible to create an index on a part of the leader?
12:15		(what a question!)
12:15	narcisgarcia	magnuse, thanks.
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12:16	francharb	s/leader/biblio leader
12:17	vkm	please tell me 942 is mandatory
12:17	narcisgarcia	I've read that "marc21" is a fusion of MARC from USA and Canada, and allowing Unicode. "unimarc" is another revision used in Europe (Unicode?). And I suppose "nomarc" refers to don't use MARC standards, right?
12:17	vkm	field 942c in koha
12:18	francharb	narcisgarcia, nope
12:18		nomarc is for norway marc
12:18	narcisgarcia	It's for ZEBRA_MARC_FORMAT
12:19		Ok for the last one.
12:19	francharb	;)
12:19	magnuse	narcisgarcia: it's noRmarc :-)
12:20	narcisgarcia	Aha, left the "r"
12:20	magnuse	Bug 8008
12:20	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8008 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Typo in man page for koha-create
12:21	narcisgarcia	Is MARC21 designed observing UNIMARC, is UNIMARC designed observing MARC21, or are independent forks?
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12:22	vkm	please advice i have same 3 books have reference,reserve and general book how to enter it
12:23		i am using 942c for biblio record and dividing it in 952 as reference, reserve
12:23		but For general book i use same code as 942c
12:25	kf	narcisgarcia: where are you located?
12:25	narcisgarcia	In Spain
12:25	kf	narcisgarcia: if you want to use unimarc or marc21 will depend on that :)
12:25		hmnot sure about spain
12:25	vkm	india
12:26	kf	unimarc is used in italy and in france I think, germany is using marc21
12:26		vkm: I tried to explain it
12:26	narcisgarcia	I'm installing Koha for an international library network, and I need that supports a lot of different materials.
12:26	kf	vkm: if you use itemtypes on item level, it's not really important what you set in 942 - use the most common itemtype there
12:27		narcisgarcia: there are differences in unimarc and marc21 but both support lots of different materials
12:27	narcisgarcia	I prefer to use the most flexible and wide used variant of MARC than using the local preferred.
12:27	kf	it depends really on which sources you want to use, for exampl library of congress will provide records in mARC21
12:27		like the german national library
12:28		I think perhaps use marc21 then
12:29	narcisgarcia	MARC21/UNIMARC variants affect to string encode or also to fields?
12:29	kf	no both are utf8
12:29		if that was the queston
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12:29	kf	I think marc21 should be right according to this: http://www.bne.es/en/Bibliotecarios/NormativaBNE/
12:29	dgl-library	Hi #koha
12:29	narcisgarcia	Then it's a field definition matter...
12:29	kf	... the Biblioteca Nacional de España (National Library of Spain) has decided to adopt the MARC 21 format...
12:29	narcisgarcia	Hello dgl-library
12:30	kf	narcisgarcia: fields are different for both formats
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12:30	kf	perhaps if you migrate data it's worth finding out what you get from the libraries
12:30	narcisgarcia	And in France... what do they use?
12:30	kf	UNIMARC
12:31	dgl-library	I've got a question about MARC frameworks… We're using the Quick framework, and I'd like to add a MARC field from the Default framework. But it has many subfields. Is there any easy way to import that MARC field into the Quick framework with all the subfields?
12:31	kf	but overall Ithink marc21 is more widely used... from what I know
12:31	narcisgarcia	Deustchland MARC21, France UNIMARC, España MARC21,... Europe mixed.
12:31	kf	dgl-library: no sorry, you can't copy fields over
12:31		narcisgarcia: it's the way standards work it seems
12:31		...
12:31	vkm	where is the option to set item type in system preference
12:31	kf	dgl-library: have you tried the export options for frameworks? you can use spreadsheets for editing, that makes it a bit faster
12:32	tajoli	Or you can use SQL
12:32	dgl-library	kf: wow. so I have to do it step by step? it could take ……… uh, no, I didn't know about that
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12:32	dgl-library	tajoli: another option!
12:32	wahanui	another option is to use the packages
12:32	kf	dgl-library: which verion of koha are you using?
12:32		wahanui: not this time :)
12:32	wahanui	kf: excuse me?
12:32	vkm	ok i got kf
12:33	dgl-library	kf: the current stable release. (3.6.??)
12:33		3.06.04.000
12:33	tajoli	SQL is fast but you can do big mistakes
12:33	kf	dgl-library: only checking you have the feature - it's in there :)
12:33		it was introduced with 3.6
12:34	dgl-library	kf: thanks, I'll give it a try, I think
12:34		One more question: Our staff client is working fine, but there is no OPAC. How do I turn it on?
12:34	vkm	dear kf item type is set to specific
12:35	magnuse	bug 8008 is a super-easy signoff, just saying :-)
12:35	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8008 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Fix typo in man page for koha-create
12:36	Oak	magnuse++
12:36	magnuse	yay!
12:36	vkm	already in system preference my question is i am using same item code BK in 942c and 952 also at tha same time under same record use REF for reference also
12:36		circulation fines are workinfg fine
12:36	narcisgarcia	All european countries around Spain use UNIMARC (France, Portugal, Italia). Probably I'll use MARC21 because of matching libraries in Spain and may be more wide used in the world (?)
12:38	vkm	but when i limit to search by BK Book item opac shows those record which is having REF only
12:38	slef	narcisgarcia: no, UK uses MARC21.
12:38	narcisgarcia	There is a lot of water between UK and ES.
12:38	slef	narcisgarcia: so what? We're still Europe.
12:38	narcisgarcia	(without floating libraries)
12:38	vkm	but i have used BK in all record in 942c
12:39	* slef	goes to lunch
12:39	dgl-library	kf: I really need to register with Bugzilla. Found a bug: Export to OpenDocument spreadsheet yields a zero-kb file.
12:39		kf: but the other formats worked fine.
12:39	narcisgarcia	Where I am, I can go on bycicle to a french library and return to spain the same morning.
12:39	dgl-library	kf: so thanks!
12:40		narcisgarcia: ¡presumido!
12:40	vkm	please tell me 942c is mandatory
12:40	narcisgarcia	dgl-library: no, it's because we are very near.
12:40		(and this makes to doubt about UNIMARC)
12:40	dgl-library	narcisgarcia: only joking
12:40	narcisgarcia	Of course...
12:41	slef	dgl-library: kf: does bugzilla not allow openID login yet? :(
12:42		vkm: default item type 942$c is pretty much mandatory but imported records often omit it.
12:42	narcisgarcia	Going to lunch... have a nice day.
12:42	slef	narcisgarcia: yes, but not to Italy from any part of Spain.
12:43	dgl-library	narcisgarcia: lunch in which country today?
12:43	narcisgarcia	Well, to Italy I can go with own car in the same time.
12:43	vkm	if i have 3 copy of same book , reference, reserve, general book for issue now how to enter it
12:44	narcisgarcia	I'm going to lunch in the spanish time (near Italy, and seeing the same sea)
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12:44	vkm	at present under one record i entered as in 942c BOOK than in 952 as Reference,reserve and again BOOK
12:45	narcisgarcia	As I said , I'll probably use MARC21, and probably in UK will use the Euro currency... he, he..
12:45	vkm	and if i have only one reference book than again i used 942c for book than in 952 used reference
12:52	pastebot	"nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "need report help with a report we can run tho find out the average fine paid by anyone whose fines for the year were over $2" (19 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/361
12:53	dgl-library	kf: in the exported XML document, it only shows the MARC field, but not all the subfields
12:54	slef	bah lunch not ready
12:54	kf	dgl-library: hmm, I have not used the xml format yet, I work normally witht he open office format
12:54	slef	back to this funding bid
12:55	kf	dgl-library: then you get a spreadsheet with different pages for fields and subfields to edit
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12:57	dgl-library	kf: the open office format exported a zero-kb (empty) document every time
12:58		kf: sorry! I just saw the other pages
12:58	kf	dgl-library: uh :( no idea what's wrong and can't test now - sorry :(
12:58	slef	dgl-library: check error logs
12:59	dgl-library	slef: my mistake, I didn't see, but the subfields are there.
12:59		slef: but about the ods format, you mean? I will check
13:00	vkm	please advice i have two books one for reference and another for circulation should i enter it in two different biblio or under one biblio
13:00		if under one biblio than what to enter in 942c field
13:01	dgl-library	slef: are the error logs in Log Viewer?
13:02		@backup
13:02	huginn	dgl-library: I suck
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13:02	dgl-library	@database dump
13:02	huginn	dgl-library: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
13:03	magnuse	dgl-library: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Backing_up_Koha ?
13:04	dgl-library	magnuse: thanks! I was just reading and re-reading the table of contents of the manual and couldn't find that
13:04	slef	dgl-library: probably a file koha-error_log on the server in a var/log somewhere
13:05	kf	vkm: you will get no different answer - use one record and items with different itemtypes - ignore 942 or use the most often used itemtype there. it doesn't matter really
13:06	slef	vkm: one biblio with whatever you think will be most common in 942c and items with different 952y item types and item-level item types
13:08	vkm	i used BK Book comonly in 942 even the book is reference type so in searching it creates problem
13:08		but used 952 for various type to define
13:10		so when restricting the search by BOOK i got the record having reference only item
13:12	kf	vkm: what is your system preference for item-level_itype set to?
13:12	vkm	its item type
13:12		not biblio record
13:13	kf	then it's probably a bug
13:13		in the search, using the itemtype from biblio level for search instead only checking 952
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13:15	vkm	so i am using same type BOOK (BK) in 942c than 952 for different item its ok
13:17		only problem is when i will restrict the search by BOOK i will get result of those record which have BOOK in 942c but only reference at 952
13:18		it seems that Book is peeking from 942c where it is commonly used for all record
13:20	slef	vkm: I agree with kf. Sounds like a bug in the search. Report it to your support provider, or to http://bugs.koha-community.org
13:21	vkm	i will do some more research
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13:31	schuster	I'm baaack....  Laughs maniaclly...  Generally that means I will have questions...  I just don't know what they are yet!
13:33	magnuse	well, we got answers, but we dont know what they are yet either :-)
13:33	libsysguy	quantum answers
13:33		but don't peek
13:33		or they'll forever be destroyed
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14:04	* wizzyrea	waves
14:05	magnuse	o/
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14:18	user	Hello all
14:18	slef	hell user
14:19		hello user, even
14:19	narcisgarcia	Hello again
14:20		I'm completing the decisions about /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf and there is a variable which I want to know better.
14:21		ZEBRA_LANGUAGE, for which the man page says "Primary language for Zebra indexing. Possible values are 'en', 'fr' and 'nb'"
14:21		Does anybody know what implies this language selection?
14:22		Does matter if the titles registered will be in german, spanish, russian or else?
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14:29	nengard	need report help with a report we can run tho find out the average fine paid by anyone whose fines for the year were over $2  at http://paste.koha-community.org/361
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14:41	Oak	can someone see if this works: 111.68.99.243
14:42	wizzyrea	it's pretty poky
14:43	Oak	poky?
14:43	wizzyrea	and doesn't seem to be answering
14:43		(slow)
14:43	Oak	hmm
14:43		thanks!
15:02	narcisgarcia	Does anybody know what implies the ZEBRA_LANGUAGE configuration?
15:04	kf	I think perhaps the language that is used for some of the settings - like sorting
15:04	magnuse	"Specifies primary language of records that will be indexed by Zebra."
15:04	kf	not sure about the right codes, I think htere is no specific setting for spanish
15:05	magnuse	in Makefile.PL the suggestions are en, fr and nb
15:05		but i don't remember what it actually does...
15:07		ah yes, i think it makes sure the zebra config files has the path to the right language here: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]zebradb/lang_defs
15:07		or in oter words that the right sort-string-utf.chr is used
15:08		narcisgarcia: it has to do with how "special characters" are mapped
15:08		so choose the one that is most similar to spanish
15:08		(i think en will probably be ok, though)
15:09	narcisgarcia	Most similar to Spanish is French, but lacks of ñ
15:10		I see that there are installed:
15:10		/etc/koha/zebradb/lang_defs/nb/sort-string-utf.chr
15:10		/etc/koha/zebradb/lang_defs/fr/sort-string-utf.chr
15:10		/etc/koha/zebradb/lang_defs/en/sort-string-utf.chr
15:10		Is it used at effect of sorting strings?
15:10	magnuse	looks like it :-)
15:11	narcisgarcia	May I create a file shuch as /etc/koha/zebradb/lang_defs/es/sort-string-utf.chr for spanish?
15:11	magnuse	worth a try :-)
15:11	narcisgarcia	But then, if in the same instance librarians catalogue french titles, english titles, and others, what happens?
15:11	magnuse	there are often some spanish people here, but i don't see any now - could ask them what they do
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15:12	narcisgarcia	Which language is "nb" ?
15:12	magnuse	norwegian
15:12	wahanui	norwegian is, like, the only exception for the workaround bei F Somers
15:12	magnuse	wahanui: forget norwegian
15:12	wahanui	magnuse: I forgot norwegian
15:13	narcisgarcia	Well, I'm preparing an international (private) network of libraries, and there will be titles of a lot of countries and languages in the same database/instance.
15:13	magnuse	narcisgarcia: http://www.indexdata.com/zebra[…]er-map-files.html
15:13	narcisgarcia	Thanks
15:14	magnuse	i think i would just use en then, but i can't say i know all the consequences
15:15	wizzyrea	lots of libraries have similar situations re: titles and such in foreign languages, and idk what exactly they do, but I am *sure* that *we* just use EN
15:16	narcisgarcia	English is the poorest character map. For spanish is better norwegian than english, but the best can be french.
15:17		There is no foreign language for me, because there is no language in the moon to index.
15:19		In Spain there are different languages: Castilian (known as spanish), Catalan, Euskara, Galician, Asturian, end some others. Not all of them have the same character set.
15:20		For example, Castilian has the "ñ" (HTML ñ), and Catalan has the "ç"
15:21		Most of the european languages (including french, spanish, catalan,..) include the english character set, but have more characters (æñç) and variants (àáâä)
15:21	magnuse	makes it that much more interesting
15:22	narcisgarcia	Then, selecting any other language than english is a better option, because all the english characters are ever supported.
15:22	magnuse	guess that's true, yes
15:24	narcisgarcia	If you have a library in London with 10,000 books catalogued, and you think that sometime can have 1 book in french, only for that book is better that you configure Zebra for French.
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15:26	slef	æ is in English too but often transliterated
15:27		ä too
15:27		ë more common
15:30	narcisgarcia	I have a problem:
15:30		Have run:
15:31		sudo koha-create --use-db mydatabase myinstance
15:31		(previously created a database in MySQL)
15:31		and says:
15:31		cat: /etc/koha/passwd: File or directory doesn't exist
15:32		Enabling site mydatabase
15:32		Run '/etc/init.d/apache2 reload' to activate new configuration!
15:32		Restarting web server: apache2 ... waiting .
15:32		Starting Zebra server for bibliokoha
15:33		# And the web interface says:
15:33		Software error:
15:33	magnuse	i don't think there is a --use-db option? [--create-db|--request-db|--populate-db]
15:33	narcisgarcia	Unknown database 'koha_mydatabase' at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 730.
15:33		Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 33.
15:33		BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 33.
15:33		Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-main.pl line 22.
15:33		BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-main.pl line 22.
15:33		For help, please send mail to the webmaster ([no address given]), giving this error message and the time and date of the error.
15:33	magnuse	ah, sorry, my fault, there is such an option
15:34	narcisgarcia	I don't know from where must it take the webmaster address, and the username&password for MySQL.
15:35		(didn't ask for them)
15:35	wizzyrea	it gets the webmaster address from apache
15:35	narcisgarcia	The wiki guide doesn't talk about /etc/koha/passwd
15:35	magnuse	i think jcamins_away would know more about those options, if he were around
15:36		see the commit message here: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0e48447799004935b
15:37		narcisgarcia: looks like you should have put the username and password in /etc/koha/passwd
15:37	narcisgarcia	In which format?
15:37	magnuse	it's much easier to use --create-db...
15:37		it's in man koha-create: "Pre-selected database credentials are read from this file, if it exists. The format for this file is instancename:username:passwd:database. Database is optional, but the other three are required if you want to use pre-determined database user credentials."
15:37	narcisgarcia	But --create-db will need a usr&pwd too.
15:38	magnuse	nope, it will create then for you
15:38	narcisgarcia	Ok, the man page.
15:38	magnuse	username based on the instance name and random password
15:40	narcisgarcia	Now I have run:
15:40		sudo  koha-remove myinstance
15:40		# And says:
15:40		Removing Koha instance --
15:41		ERROR 1396 (HY000) at line 1: Operation DROP USER failed for 'koha_--'@'%'
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15:42	wizzyrea	because the user you're trying to remove doesn't exist maybe?
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15:42	narcisgarcia	sudo  koha-list
15:43		mydatabase
15:43		$ sudo koha-remove mydatabase
15:43		Removing Koha instance --
15:43		ERROR 1396 (HY000) at line 1: Operation DROP USER failed for 'koha_--'@'%'
15:44	magnuse	yeah, that's tricky...
15:45	wizzyrea	the *user* you're trying to remove doesn't exist.
15:45	narcisgarcia	I'm thinking on delete the server and install a clean Debian and start again.
15:45	wizzyrea	or apt-get remove koha-common
15:45		with the option to purge everything
15:45		and reinstall koha-common fresh.
15:45	narcisgarcia	APT will purge instances data?
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15:46	narcisgarcia	I'm afraid to find other several errors like this in the future...
15:47	wizzyrea	installing koha often requires a sense of adventure.
15:48		packages?
15:48	wahanui	well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
15:48	narcisgarcia	I've used a fresh Debian Squeeze installation, and the pointed repository.
15:48		I've found other variants like LibLime and UNLP. Are they more stable?
15:49	wizzyrea	they don't have packages.
15:49	narcisgarcia	Yes, this is the reason for why I selected first the "community" flavour.
15:50	wizzyrea	we can't help you with the other flavors.
15:51	narcisgarcia	Well I'll do a new try (fresh installation again) to make a simple Koha setup.
15:51		Will I can do --create-db with an already existing MySQL empty database?
15:52	wizzyrea	sure
15:52		just let koha do the work for you
15:53	narcisgarcia	And the syntax will be:
15:53		sudo koha-create --create-db myinstance
15:53		OR:
15:54		sudo koha-create --create-db mydatabase myinstance
15:54		?
15:55	magnuse	sudo koha-create --create-db myinstance
15:55		koha-create will decide the name of the database for you
15:55	narcisgarcia	This may be my additional mistake.
15:56		Well, I will create a database previously in MySQL, then I need Koha uses the existing database. Do will Koha select the database name fom /etc/koha/passwd ?
15:57	magnuse	i think that is how it is supposed to work, but i never tried it
15:57		just use "sudo koha-create --create-db myinstance" and don't worry about creating the database yourself .-)
16:00	narcisgarcia	Now I've tried this:
16:00		(once created /etc/koha/passwd)
16:00		$ sudo koha-create --use-db myinstance
16:00		Enabling site myinstance.
16:00		Run '/etc/init.d/apache2 reload' to activate new configuration!
16:00		Restarting web server: apache2 ... waiting .
16:00		Starting Zebra server for myinstance
16:00		# No error.
16:01	magnuse	looks promising
16:01	narcisgarcia	Now I visit the admin web interface and:
16:01		"Welcome to the Koha Web Installer"
16:01	magnuse	yay!
16:01	wizzyrea	see, trust in koha.
16:01	narcisgarcia	But not trust in documentation!
16:02	wizzyrea	the docs say to do what we told you
16:02	narcisgarcia	Good for community Koha
16:02		But now I can't remove my previous instance
16:03		Now I have an instance called "myinstance" (working) and another called "mydatabase" (bad)
16:04		The username and password for the web installer, must be the same as for MySQL?
16:04		(/etc/koha/passwd)
16:04	magnuse	narcisgarcia: yup
16:05	narcisgarcia	"You are about to install Koha.
16:05		Please pick your language from the following list. If your language is not listed, please inform your systems administrator."
16:05		(only "en" to select)
16:05	wizzyrea	translations?
16:06		translation?
16:06	wahanui	translation is done through the pref files
16:06	narcisgarcia	Does this affect only installation process, or also the future interface?
16:06	wizzyrea	not helpful, wahanui.
16:06	wahanui	wizzyrea: sorry...
16:06	slef	narcisgarcia: is there a step 1.2 in the INSTALL text file I think?
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16:06	narcisgarcia	I was following http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze
16:07	slef	oh well good luck to you
16:07	narcisgarcia	Bad begin?
16:08	wizzyrea	nope, it just doesn't cover translations
16:08		kf - about?
16:08	slef	let me get the lines from the 3.8.0 INSTALL file
16:09	magnuse	how to add more languages should be added to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
16:09	slef	1.2. Optional foreign language installation:
16:09		If you would like more languages and not only English,
16:09		cd misc/translator
16:09		perl translate install fr-FR # or use your preferred language codes
16:09	wizzyrea	on a totally unrelated note: what do you all think of these minor changes?
16:09		http://screencast.com/t/IJ8QRB0IHyRy
16:09		to the 3.8 ui
16:10	slef	I suspect that's "cd /usr/share/koha/misc/translator" on the debian packaged system
16:10		but I have not tested it
16:10	wizzyrea	(in 3.8 right now, those are white + ugly)
16:10	magnuse	narcisgarcia: you will need to do "cd /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/" then "perl translate install fr-FR" (replacing fr-FR with the language you want) before you proceed with the web installer
16:11	wizzyrea	magnuse++ slef++
16:11	narcisgarcia	Will this be useful for user interfaces?
16:11	wizzyrea	yes.
16:11	magnuse	yep, it will make the userinterfaces available inthe languages you choose to tinstall
16:11	slef	wizzyrea: white?
16:11	narcisgarcia	Then, I can repeat the perl command for each language I want to be available, right?
16:11	magnuse	yup
16:12	slef	narcisgarcia: or just list all the language codes on the line, I think
16:12		perl translate install fr-FR en-GB ...
16:12	wizzyrea	the area behind "Edit" is white
16:12	narcisgarcia	Each user will can select its preferred language sharing the same instance with others, right?
16:12	wizzyrea	the area behind the upload button in white.
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16:12	wizzyrea	nm.
16:13	slef	wizzyrea: And you want to make it blue? (I think?)
16:13	magnuse	narcisgarcia: yep
16:13	wizzyrea	yea
16:13		to match the rest of the UI
16:13	narcisgarcia	Oh, good.
16:13	slef	wizzyrea: Do we use blue backgrounds anywhere else in koha?
16:13	wizzyrea	yes, everywhere in 3.8
16:13	slef	wizzyrea: And why do we have so many Edit links anyway?
16:13	* wizzyrea	wasn't going to go near that question
16:13	slef	oh why isn't my 3.8 blue?
16:13	wizzyrea	(but it's so you can edit each section independently)
16:14		hm, not sure?
16:14	slef	Have I offended the colour gods?
16:14	narcisgarcia	$ cd /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/
16:14	wizzyrea	hehe
16:14	narcisgarcia	sudo perl translate install fr-FR
16:14	magnuse	slef: Ctrl-Shift+R?
16:14	narcisgarcia	Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at LangInstaller.pm line 23.
16:14		BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at LangInstaller.pm line 23.
16:14		Compilation failed in require at translate line 25.
16:14		BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at translate line 25.
16:14	wizzyrea	yea, it was one of the very last things to go into 3.8
16:14	magnuse	narcisgarcia: you need to set some variables, one moment
16:14	slef	hrm I'm probably stuck up a branch somewhere
16:15	magnuse	slef: just don't saw it off
16:15	slef	magnuse: huh? aieeee!
16:15	wizzyrea	actually, the way mine looks right now is because of the patches I've submitted on bug 7998
16:15	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7998 minor, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Needs Signoff , 3.8 UI cleanup, tweaks to new styles
16:15	narcisgarcia	Oohh, documentation! (I'm slowly writing in the wiki what I'm learning now)
16:15	slef	narcisgarcia: at a guess: export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha
16:16		narcisgarcia: then rerun the perl command
16:16	wizzyrea	(but all of that is documented in the install files already)
16:16	narcisgarcia	$ export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha
16:16		$ sudo perl translate install fr-FR
16:16		Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at LangInstaller.pm line 23.
16:16		BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at LangInstaller.pm line 23.
16:16		Compilation failed in require at translate line 25.
16:16		BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at translate line 25.
16:16	magnuse	narcisgarcia: i think this hould do it:
16:17	slef	bah, I'll stop guessing because I've not time to do this properly
16:17	magnuse	export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/; export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/<​instancename>/koha-conf.xml
16:17	wizzyrea	you don't need to sudo
16:17	slef	replacing <instancename> with main or whatever
16:17	wizzyrea	at least I don't think.
16:17	narcisgarcia	Tried. Same error.
16:17	slef	wizzyrea: yes, you do, it's writing files in /usr (also evil bad and wrong)
16:17	wizzyrea	then the reason he's having trouble is because the environment isn't being carried over to the sudo.
16:18	slef	oh yeah
16:18		sudo -e perl ...
16:18		from memory
16:18	narcisgarcia	Ok, I can try in a root session
16:18	wizzyrea	you will need to rerun your exports as root before you try.
16:18	slef	sudo env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/<​instancename>/koha-conf.xml perl translate fr-FR
16:18		that's "easiest"
16:19	narcisgarcia	$ sudo su
16:19		$ env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/<​instancename>/koha-conf.xml perl translate fr-FR
16:19		$ sudo perl translate install fr-FR
16:19		Works.
16:20	magnuse	hm, guess i never actually tried that either...
16:22	narcisgarcia	Where are listed the available languages to build?
16:23	magnuse	http://translate.koha-community.org/
16:23	jcamins_away	magnuse: what options?
16:24	narcisgarcia	And are they in some file or directory to automate the process repeating the perl command?
16:24	magnuse	jcamins_away: --use-db to koha-create, but i think we figured it out - or narcisgarcia did :-)
16:24	narcisgarcia	(I want to build all languages)
16:24	jcamins	Ah, yeah, those are some pretty great features. :)
16:24		kyleh: around?
16:25	magnuse	according to "perldoc translate" you can just run "perl translate install" to build them all - but i never tried that!
16:25	kyleh	jcamins: indeed, what's up?
16:25	jcamins	I was wondering how you tested bug 7933.
16:25	huginn	04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7933 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, Fields in marc display not the same
16:25	magnuse	jcamins: sure, must spring from the mind of a great wizzard :-)
16:26	narcisgarcia	Tried:
16:26		$ sudo env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblio/koha-conf.xml perl translate install
16:26		But no reaction (no buld, no error)
16:26	magnuse	narcisgarcia: did it finnish?
16:26	narcisgarcia	No message. No delay.
16:27	magnuse	weird, maybe the doc is out od sunc with reality...
16:27	kyleh	jcamins: I looked at a record in labeled and plain view, and changed to the fast add framework and looked at it again. The second time it only showed the fields for the FA framework for both. Talked to nengard about it, and she said that the main point was that both should always show the same fields, and it appears to be doing so in master now.
16:27	magnuse	oh my, i gotta run! see y'all later!
16:28	jcamins	kyleh: cool. Plain view never obeyed the frameworks before.
16:29	narcisgarcia	Then, $ ls -1 /usr/share/koha/intranet/cg​i-bin/installer/data/mysql/
16:29		$ ls -1 /usr/share/koha/intranet/cg​i-bin/installer/data/mysql/
16:29		atomicupdate
16:29	wahanui	atomicupdate is anotherway to update the database, you just link the atomic update to the updatedatabase.pl at final merge.
16:29	narcisgarcia	backfill_statistics.pl
16:29		de-DE
16:29		en
16:29		es-ES
16:29		fr-FR
16:29		it-IT
16:29		kohastructure.sql
16:29		labels_upgrade.pl
16:29		nb-NO
16:29		patroncards_upgrade.pl
16:29		pl-PL
16:29		ru-RU
16:29		sample_only_param_tables.sql
16:29	jcamins	(I didn't try again, I was just wondering if there was some trick to make it work)
16:29	narcisgarcia	sysprefs.sql
16:29	wahanui	rumour has it sysprefs.sql is new for me lol
16:29	narcisgarcia	uk-UA
16:29		update22to30.pl
16:29		updatedatabase.pl
16:30		$ ls -1 /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/ | grep -ie "pref.po"
16:30		am-Ethi-pref.po
16:30		ar-Arab-pref.po
16:30		az-AZ-pref.po
16:30		ben-pref.po
16:30		bg-Cyrl-pref.po
16:30		ca-VA-pref.po
16:30		cs-CZ-pref.po
16:30		da-DK-pref.po
16:30		de-DE-pref.po
16:30		el-GR-pref.po
16:30	wizzyrea	uh, please stop doing that
16:30	narcisgarcia	en-GB-pref.po
16:30		en-NZ-pref.po
16:30		es-ES-pref.po
16:31		eu-pref.po
16:31		fa-Arab-pref.po
16:31		fi-FI-pref.po
16:31		fr-CA-pref.po
16:31		fr-FR-pref.po
16:31		gl-pref.po
16:31		he-Hebr-pref.po
16:31		narcisgarcia was kicked by wizzyrea: narcisgarcia
16:31	wizzyrea	sorry, will explain when he comes back.
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16:31	wizzyrea	hi
16:31	narcisgarcia	mr-pref.po
16:31	wizzyrea	sorry
16:31	narcisgarcia	ms-MY-pref.po
16:31	wizzyrea	no, please don't do that
16:31	narcisgarcia	nb-NO-pref.po
16:31		ne-NE-pref.po
16:31		narcisgarcia was kicked by wizzyrea: narcisgarcia
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16:32	narcisgarcia	pbr-pref.po
16:32		pl-PL-pref.po
16:32		prs-pref.po
16:32		pt-BR-pref.po
16:32		pt-PT-pref.po
16:32		ro-RO-pref.po
16:32		ru-RU-pref.po
16:32		sd-PK-pref.po
16:32		sk-SK-pref.po
16:32		sl-SI-pref.po
16:32		sq-AL-pref.po
16:32		sr-Cyrl-pref.po
16:32		sv-SE-pref.po
16:32		ta-LK-pref.po
16:32		tet-pref.po
16:32		th-THA-pref.po
16:32	wizzyrea	narcisgarcia: I'm going to have to ban you
16:32	narcisgarcia	tl-PH-pref.po
16:32		tr-TR-pref.po
16:32		uk-UA-pref.po
16:32		ur-Arab-pref.po
16:32		vi-VN-pref.po
16:32		zh-Hans-CN-pref.po
16:32		zh-Hans-TW-pref.po
16:32		I may have found the languages available: in /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/
16:32		Hey, was a mistake!
16:32		What happens now?
16:32	jcamins	narcisgarcia: DO NOT RUN ls again.
16:32	narcisgarcia	I'm sorry
16:33	wizzyrea	we have a tool for that :)
16:33		paste.koha-community.org
16:33	jcamins	Okay, now we've caught you. :)
16:33	narcisgarcia	Ok, learnt.
16:33	wizzyrea	thanks :)
16:33	* wizzyrea	doesn't often at all exercise kick powers.
16:33	jcamins	I don't know much about translations, but I think maybe the problem is that you need to remove "env" from your command line.
16:34	wizzyrea	no, he has to have that to sudo install the translations
16:34	narcisgarcia	You have the kick button very easy to shot.
16:34	wizzyrea	we don't often have people ls -ing in channel ;)
16:34	jcamins	wizzyrea: I think sudo has a different way of specifying environment variables.
16:35		I was tripped up by that.
16:35	narcisgarcia	I've tried with the fr-FR and works.
16:35	wizzyrea	right, he wants to install *all* of the translations.
16:35		at once.
16:35	narcisgarcia	$ sudo env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblio/koha-conf.xml perl translate install fr-FR
16:35	wizzyrea	do you happen to know how to do that?
16:35		jcamins?
16:35	wahanui	jcamins is, like, an outstanding cook, well-traveled and brilliant, trying to think of a solution, or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra
16:35	wizzyrea	keke
16:36	jcamins	Oh, sorry, didn't understand the problem.
16:36	* jcamins	was tripped up by env just the other day.
16:37	jcamins	translate -a is supposed to do it.
16:37		translate -a install
16:37	wizzyrea	sudo env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblio/koha-conf.xml perl translate -a install
16:37		might do it
16:37	narcisgarcia	Langs="$(ls -1 /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/ | grep -ie "pref.po" | sed -e "s/-pref\.po//g")"
16:38	wizzyrea	or you can just try -a
16:38	narcisgarcia	Yes, yes, the las wizzyrea command works. All the languages are being translated.
16:39	wizzyrea	woo!
16:40	narcisgarcia	But I thing it's a break:
16:40		Copying /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/op​ac-tmpl/prog/en/js/tags.js...
16:40		The install seems to be successful.
16:40		Install templates 'intranet
16:40		From: /usr/share/koha/intranet/ht​docs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/
16:40		To  : /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/​intranet-tmpl/prog/en-USACADEMIC
16:40		With: /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/en-​USACADEMIC-i-staff-t-prog-v-3006000.po
16:40		Warning: Can't determine original templates' charset, defaulting to UTF-8
16:40		Warning: Charset Out defaulting to UTF-8
16:40		/usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/en-U​SACADEMIC-i-staff-t-prog-v-3006000.po: El fitxer o directori no existeix
16:40		Koha directories hierarchy for en-USACADEMIC must be created first
16:40	wizzyrea	paste.koha-community.org
16:40	narcisgarcia	(El fitxer o directori no existeix = The file or directory doesn't exist)
16:40		For a too short text?
16:40	wizzyrea	yes please.
16:40	narcisgarcia	Ok.
16:41	jcamins	narcisgarcia: as a general rule, use paste.koha-community.org for anything more than one or two lines.
16:41		Does it keep going after that error?
16:41	pastebot	"narcisgarcia" at 87.111.32.12 pasted "sudo env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblio/koha-conf.xml perl translate -a install" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/362
16:41	wizzyrea	plus so much easier to read  in paste
16:42	jcamins	Much, much easier.
16:42	narcisgarcia	After these lines, is ended.
16:42	* wizzyrea	wonders about the en-usacademic translation.
16:42	wizzyrea	did it do stuff before that?
16:43	jcamins	What on earth is USACADEMIC?
16:43	wizzyrea	one of the translations I'd reckon
16:43	kf	I don't think that exists really
16:43	wizzyrea	^^ is probably the problem.
16:43	kf	and if it does it's probably outdated
16:43	jcamins	It's very outdated.
16:44	wizzyrea	it's not listed on translate.k-c.org
16:44	jcamins	That question was really "why on earth is there an en-USACADEMIC translation in the repository?
16:44	kf	I probably should know... but I don't know :)
16:45	jcamins	You know, someone should run translate -a and report bugs for everything that doesn't work.
16:45	wizzyrea	so does it stop installing translations after this one or ...
16:45		bugs?
16:45	wahanui	bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too.
16:45	narcisgarcia	The follofing command may be better to know which languages are available and have not a break like this:
16:45		$ Langs="$(ls -1 /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/ | grep -ie "pref.po" | sed -e "s/-pref\.po//g")"
16:45		Then perform a command like:
16:45	wizzyrea	no, fixing the problem is better.
16:46	kf	I have not seen all
16:46	wizzyrea	but for your immediate problem, yes, that might be better.
16:46	kf	but could running the translation command as root be the problem?
16:46	narcisgarcia	$ for Current in $Langs ; do sudo env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblio/koha-conf.xml perl translate install $Current ; done
16:46	kf	I never do that
16:46		always as my koha user
16:46		so the templates belong to my koha user... as all ohter files do
16:46	wizzyrea	I don't think so, for the packages it has to write in /usr/share/koha
16:46	jcamins	kf: not for package/standard installs.
16:46	kf	ah
16:46		ok, never installed translations for the packages :)
16:46		so I can go home now, right? :)
16:46	jcamins	I need to do a package with all the translations.
16:46		kf: yes you may. :)
16:47	wizzyrea	yes, shoo.
16:47	kf	:)
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16:48	jcamins	Okay, there's an issue with the Turkish translation.
16:58	narcisgarcia	I've documented site creation and language building in the wiki.
16:59	wizzyrea	ok thanks
17:00		there's an entire manual available from www.koha-community.org
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17:13	narcisgarcia	http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
17:18	jcamins	kyleh: I figured out the point of confusion. The issue isn't changing *frameworks*, it's changing the hidden value on a particular framework.
17:18		When you change frameworks, all the fields not in a particular framework are summarily deleted, I think.
17:19	kyleh	jcamins: i see, go ahead and reopen the bug then, and I'll have a crack at it.
17:19	jcamins	kyleh: I did. :)
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17:23	narcisgarcia	In the web site:
17:23		http://koha-community.org/documentation/
17:23		Laks of the translated manuals:
17:23		http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/
17:23	jcamins	kyleh: it'll be a challenge to fix, I suspect.
17:24	kyleh	jcamins: I have the suspicion that you are right. only one way to find out...
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17:27	cait	hi #koha
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17:39	narcisgarcia	The installation web wizard asks for optional components, and I don't find any documentation about them.
17:40	cait	the documentation is on the page
17:40		it's about the sample data?
17:44	narcisgarcia	Selecting Default Settings - MARC Frameworks: MARC21
17:44		Optional:
17:44		Selected matching rules for MARC 21 bibliographic records, including...
17:44	slef	trying to move across home... let's see if I crash...
17:45	narcisgarcia	'FA', a 'Fast Add' minimal MARC21 framework suitable for...
17:45	cait	slef: no crashing- we have a meeting!
17:45		yep
17:45		optional = not strictly needed by koha
17:45		but someof those are nice to have
17:45	narcisgarcia	Simple MARC 21 bibliographic frameworks for...
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17:46	narcisgarcia	But I may need it, and I want to know for example the implies of "matching rules"
17:46		And I don't want to select options that could complicate the administration or the use.
17:46		(without a special sense for us)
17:47	cait	i would get the sample rules
17:47		they are good to see how things work
17:47	jcamins	narcisgarcia: if you want to understand what the system does, reading through the manual is a good idea.
17:47	cait	it's to match data together, like when you import data
17:49	narcisgarcia	Then, if I select matching rules for MARC21, we can import right the mentioned ISBN for example.
17:49	slef	cait: I survived!
17:49	cait	well done!
17:49	jcamins	narcisgarcia: you can make sure that you don't have duplicate records.
17:50		That is all.
17:50	slef	(really should buy a new laptop battery)
17:50	cait	slef: and we have even some time left to negotiate who gets to wear the jasper head tonight
17:50	narcisgarcia	Ok, good for us that cannot duplicate ISBN records.
17:50	jcamins	cait: jester. :)
17:50	cait	oh
17:50		right
17:50		it looked kinda wrong...
17:51	jcamins	:)
17:53	cait	jcamins: are you at chester's today?
17:53	jcamins	cait: I am indeed.
17:53		He came over to say hi briefly, but left a while ago.
17:53	cait	give im my greetings ;)
17:53		ooh
17:53	jcamins	Apparently I'm boring today. :/
17:54	narcisgarcia	Ok, I selected everything except "Sample holidays" and the last US libraries.
17:55	slef	jasper is an orange cat, no?
17:56		did my email to the main koha list about the meeting go out? I don't remember seeing it.
17:56	cait	you might want to leave out the libraries and borrowers - if you want to start configuring your own
17:56	jcamins	slef: You're thinking of Chester.
17:56	cait	hmmm
17:56	jcamins	Who is blue.
17:56	cait	I only saw you rmail to the volunteer's list I think
17:56	jcamins	slef: I wouldn't recommend wearing a cat on your head.
17:57	slef	damn I wonder what happened to the main list email. I'll look for it later?
17:57		jcamins: scratchy but good!
17:57	cait	trend setting :)
17:59		slef: have you heard from Brooke lately?
18:00	slef	cait: a little.
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18:00	cait	ah ok
18:01	slef	ok, would anyone else like to chair the meeting? There are four topics as far as I know: Introductions, Roadmap to KohaCon12, Paper reviews, Next Meeting
18:01	cait	I tihnk I haven't seen her in a while
18:01		if you tell me how, I can tr
18:01		y
18:01	slef	no, not on IRC much. Seems busy.
18:01	jcamins	Busy?
18:01		Huh.
18:01		I was sure wahanui would have something to say about that.
18:01	slef	cait: watch me this time. You get it next week?
18:02	cait	i can do it
18:02		only forget how to stat :)
18:02	slef	ok #startmeeting
18:02	wahanui	if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
18:02	cait	#startmeeting
18:02	wahanui	if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
18:02	cait	\startmeeting
18:02		lol
18:02	thd	can we teach wahanui to chair meetings?
18:02	cait	ok, try again :)
18:02	slef	where's huginn?
18:02	wahanui	i heard huginn was a bot too veera, not a person
18:03	cait	hm
18:03	slef	[18:25]*** huginn (~supybotwww.librarypolice.com) has quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer
18:03	cait	gmcharlt? around?
18:03	slef	gmcharlt: help!
18:03	jcamins	gmcharlt: around?
18:03	cait	lol
18:03	thd	:0
18:03	jcamins	Or, as slef might put it...
18:03	slef	Galen Charlton            <-> Offline
18:04	jcamins	gmcharlt: oy! I want a word witchu!
18:04	slef	"bugger!"
18:04	* slef	switches TV shows
18:04	cait	ok
18:04		no meetinbot
18:04		we are lost!
18:04	slef	(the Fast Show, known in the US as Brilliant!)
18:04	* slef	looks at the wiki
18:04	slef	wahanui: bots?
18:04	wahanui	bots are listed at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars
18:04	narcisgarcia	Is there a downloadable version of the manuals?
18:05	thd	I think that meetings worked reasonably well in the past before any meeting bots.
18:05	slef	yeah but it's nice having the features. Oh well I'll give gmcharlt a log later and see if huginn can be force-fed
18:05	thd	:)
18:06	cait	yes
18:06		let's pretend he is here
18:06		will make it easier to generate minutes manually too
18:06	slef	wahanui: sysadmins?
18:06	wahanui	slef: i haven't a clue
18:06	thd	Automation is always nice, especially if it can be force fed.
18:06	slef	wahanui: sysadmins is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]te_Administration
18:06	wahanui	OK, slef.
18:06	cait	#topic volunteer's meeting - please introduce yourself with #info
18:07	thd	#info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
18:07	cait	#topic introductions
18:07	wahanui	#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
18:07	slef	#info MJ Ray, software.coop, England
18:07	cait	#info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
18:07	jwagner	#info Jane Wagner, Liblime/PTFS
18:08	narcisgarcia	I'm configuring  opaclanguagesdisplay (Allow  patrons to change the language they see on the OPAC) and I need to know who are "patrons"
18:08	cait	narcisgarcia: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Newbie_guide
18:08		ok, first topic
18:09		#topic Roadmap to KohaCon12
18:09		slef, do you want to start and give us a short update?
18:09	slef	#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]aCon12_Volunteers
18:09		has updated amounts - thanks to the new sponsors.
18:09		cait made a great start on a timetable for the hackfest on
18:10		#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ohaCon12_Schedule
18:10		which I've shamelessly stolen for the main conference too.
18:10	cait	you are welcome
18:10		how are the finances? working out?
18:10	slef	There was a rush of papers on deadline day, so there are about a dozen needing review.
18:11		it's still a bit close
18:11		we'll mailshot sponsors as soon as volunteer time allows
18:12		At the venue, I think we're making progress on signs, but more to do.
18:12	libsysguy	does this look good
18:12		delete biblio, biblioitem, item from biblio join biblioitem on biblio.biblionumber = biblioitem.biblionumber join items on biblio.biblionumber = items.biblionumber where biblionumber = ?
18:12	slef	On the fishing trip, I don't think we've had any interest.
18:12	narcisgarcia	Thanks
18:13	slef	Sadly mle_ is ill so I'm a bit limited.
18:13	thd	libsysguy: It would look better after the KohaCon 2012 meeting.
18:13	libsysguy	shoot didn't even see that
18:13	cait	slef: oh :(
18:13	* libsysguy	steps out
18:13	slef	I think we're at 40 registrations and I expect a flurry once we announce some talks.
18:14	cait	40 is good
18:14	slef	Anything else?
18:14	narcisgarcia	As I read in the spanish translation, as "branch" Koha refers to a physical library, right?
18:14	jcamins	narcisgarcia: there is a meeting going on right now. You should save your questions for after it's finished.
18:14	cait	#info about 40 registrations - awaiting flurry when program is announced
18:15		slef: nothing from me
18:15	narcisgarcia	Ok.
18:15	thd	A few fish frolic more freely for now.
18:15	cait	moving on to next topic?
18:16	slef	ok
18:16	cait	#topic Paper review
18:16	slef	OK, there's a dozen or so papers waiting for review
18:16		I'd like to paste each title and abstract here, and get opinions. Would that be OK?
18:17	cait	hm perhaps better paste?
18:17		abstracts might be cut off
18:17	slef	I think my client will handle it
18:17	jcamins	cait: better to paste direct so it goes in the minutes?
18:17	cait	ok
18:17	* jcamins	doesn't know, that was a question.
18:18	cait	slef, start :)
18:18	jwagner	if huginn isn't here, we aren't getting auto minutes, right?  Pastebin link might be quicker
18:18	thd	What about posting them in some http accessible location?
18:18	cait	jwagner: we will try to create minutes
18:18	thd	jwagner++
18:18	cait	and there are always the normal irc logs
18:18	slef	it'll be easier for me to paste them here, but I'll do whatever
18:19	jwagner	I'd vote for pastebin -- easier to read
18:19	thd	Are the normal logs running?
18:19	slef	thd: yes, logbot is here
18:19	wahanui	i already had it that way, slef.
18:19	cait	thd: yes, that's logbot
18:19	slef	ok give me a mo to format these and copy to pastebin
18:20	thd	Yes, I see.  I had remembered how often logbot had disappeared or failed in the past.
18:22	cait	perhaps while slef pastes
18:22		any ideas how to schedule them later on?
18:22		grouping by topic? audience?
18:23	pastebot	"slef" at 82.132.242.225 pasted "KohaCon12 presentations for review" (269 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/363
18:23	jwagner	Is there one basic track, or simultaneous tracks?
18:23	slef	one track
18:23	cait	one track
18:23	thd	Do we assume that we have no need for concurrent presentations in different rooms?
18:23		Exactly, what jwagner wrote.
18:24	slef	we don't have a venue that lends itself to that
18:24		ok, for each paper:
18:24		need to decide:
18:24	cait	and not enough papers I think
18:25	slef	A. Accept it? Y/N; B. Hi/Medium/Low priority? C. Changes to request, if any? D. Developer or Librarian audience?
18:26		so first paper, 10 Data Migration Heuristics, what do you think?
18:27	cait	A: yes, B: medium C: no changes d: not sure, but think intended for libraries
18:28	slef	A. yes; B. Medium; C. No; D. mixed AFAICT
18:28		any more or move on?
18:28	Oak	good night my hearties. almost midnight here.
18:29	jwagner	I'd say move on
18:29	slef	thd, jcamins?
18:29	jcamins	A: yes; B: Medium; C: no changes; D. librarians?
18:29	* jcamins	didn't realize he was supposed to be answering.
18:30	cait	I have a question about the next one right away
18:30		is it the same or another speaker than:
18:30		Implementation of Koha in Geo-Scientific Information Management 20mins pbosire med/lib
18:30		?
18:30	slef	jcamins: I'll take any reviews I can get and sort out disagreements later
18:30		cait: checking...
18:30	thd	['A', 'B'->'high', 'C'-> 'unknown' , 'D'->'both']
18:30	cait	thd: for data heuristics?
18:31	slef	cait: yes. There are multiple attendees from that place though, so not all geotech talks are him!
18:31	jwagner	Good catch, cait -- thought that looked familiar
18:31	cait	I think one is implementation, one is use
18:31	thd	$dataHeuristics = ['A'->'Y', 'B'->'high', 'C'-> 'unknown' , 'D'->'both']
18:31	cait	but if we want both, should schedule accordingly?
18:31	jwagner	If they're from the same site, maybe do a combined paper?
18:32	cait	it's a total of 45 minutes then + discussion
18:32		we could request that perhaps
18:32	slef	ok, so reviews for $utilization?
18:32	jcamins	They seem to have four papers?
18:32	slef	jcamins: checking
18:33	cait	jcamins: what are the other 2?
18:33	jcamins	RECORDS CLERK
18:33	slef	jcamins: Implementation..., Utilization..., Records Clerk, Koha The Way to Go
18:33	thd	$geo-sci = ['A'->'Y', 'B'->'low', 'C'-> 'unknown' , 'D'->'unknown']
18:33	jcamins	And KOHA, THE WAY TO GO...
18:33	slef	and USING KOHA TO IMPROVE SERVICE DELIVERY...
18:34	cait	ok
18:34		I think we should sort that out a bit
18:34		4 presentations from the same place is a bit much?
18:34	jcamins	I think one combined talk would probably be best.
18:35		Or two, if they have different audiences in mind.
18:35		But there would by necessity be a lot of duplication.
18:35	slef	$geo-sci = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ];
18:35	cait	perhaps we could set a time frame and ask for a submission for that time?
18:35	thd	If there is a shortage of papers to fill the time, why would several papers from one party be a problem?
18:35	slef	also I've no idea what a PB-O-GDC licence is ;-)
18:36	cait	slef: wondered about that too!
18:36		$geo-sci = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ];
18:36		:)
18:36	jcamins	Peanut Butter Or GNU Documentation License.
18:36		$geo-sci = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ];
18:36	slef	jcamins: Or or On?
18:36	jcamins	Oh.
18:36		On.
18:36		:)
18:37	cait	sounds yummy
18:37	jcamins	And it's GDC and GDL.
18:37	slef	$multiNationalSpecial ?
18:37	jcamins	Okay, no idea.
18:37	cait	$geo-sci = [ A => Y, B => high (serials), C => no, D => Librarians ];
18:37		args
18:37		$multinationalSpecial = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ];
18:37		sorry
18:38	thd	Peanut butter license, yaay
18:38	cait	lol
18:38	slef	$multiNationalSpecial = [ A => Y, B => Hi, C => No, D => Librarians ];
18:38	cait	now I messed it up totally
18:38	slef	cait: vote early, vote often!
18:38	cait	last time: $multiNationalSpecial = [ A => Y, B => high (serials), C => no, D => Librarians ];
18:38		that
18:39	jcamins	$multinationalSpecial = [ A => Y, B => medium-high, C => None, D => librarians ]
18:39	cait	thd? :)
18:39	slef	yeah come on thd, you started us all writing []s and so on...
18:40	thd	$multinationSpeial = ['A'->'Y', 'B'->'medium', 'C'-> 'unknown' , 'D'->'librarian']
18:40	slef	$kohaAndSRU ?
18:40	cait	$kohaAndSRU = [ A => Y, B => medium, C => no, D => mixed ];
18:41	slef	$kohaAndSRU = [ A => Y, B => medium, C => 'drop other ideas for now', D => developers ];
18:41	thd	$kohaAndSRU = ['A'->'Y', 'B'->'high', 'C'-> 'unknown' , 'D'->'both']
18:41	jcamins	$kohaAndSRU = [ 'A'=>Y, 'B'=>low, C=>emphasize practical applications, D=>mixed ]
18:41	slef	$improvedGovernance ?
18:41	cait	reading
18:42	slef	oh it's Bob Birchall I think... if that helps you remember kohacon10
18:42	cait	I do remember - happy memories
18:42	jcamins	improvedGovernance = [A=>Y, B=>high, C=>none, D=>everyone]
18:42	cait	$improvedGovernance = [ A => Y, B => high, C => no, D => everyone ];
18:43	slef	$improvedGovernance = [ A => Y, B => medium, C => probably-no, D => mixed ];
18:43	thd	$improvedGovernance = ['A'->'Y', 'B'->'high', 'C'-> 'unknown' , 'D'->'mixed']
18:43	slef	$implementationGeoSci ?
18:44	* cait	scrolls up
18:44	jcamins	$implementationGeoSci = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ];
18:44	cait	$implementationGeoSci = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ];
18:44	slef	$implementationGeoSci = [ A => Y, B => Medium, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ];
18:45		I actually like the look of that. Long abstract for 20mins again though.
18:45	thd	$implementationGeoSci = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'low', 'C'=> 'unknown' , 'D'=>'unknown']
18:45	slef	$KohaAndDrupal ?
18:45	thd	s/->/=>/g
18:45	slef	thd: ack, 298 lines changed
18:46		$KohaAndDrupal = [ A=>Y, B=>low, C=>no, D=>mixed ];
18:46	cait	$KohaAndDrupal  = [ A => Y, B => high, C => "none", D => Librarians ];
18:46	slef	teehee
18:46	cait	hehe
18:46		does it get to be medium now? :)
18:46	jcamins	$KohaAndDrupal = [A=>Y,B=>medium,C=>none,D=>both]
18:47	slef	I think it's boring to people who don't use drupal, but we'll see what others think.
18:47	thd	$KohaAndDrupal = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'medium', 'C'=> 'unknown' , 'D'=>'mixed']
18:47		edveal joined #koha
18:47	slef	so medium it is?
18:47	cait	guess so :)
18:48	slef	$CommunityOrganisationAndSandboxes ?
18:48	cait	$CommunityOrganisationAndSandboxes = [A=>Y,B=>high (want librarians using sandboxes),C=>perhaps concentrate on sandboxes and patch workflow? other talks for community,D=>both]
18:49	thd	$CommunityOrganisationAndSandboxes = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'unknown', 'D'=>'mixed']
18:50	slef	and I'm not going to vote on that one, sorry.
18:50	jcamins	$COaS = [A=>Y,B=>high,C=>more useful to focus on what non-developers can do?,D=>librarians]
18:50	slef	$Koha38New ?
18:50	thd	s/]/];/
18:51	cait	$Koha38New = [A=>Y,B=>medium-high ,C=>none,D=>librarians]
18:51	slef	$Koha38New = [A=>Y, B=> high, C=> no, D=> librarians ];
18:51	thd	s/\]/\];/ # previous caused syntax error
18:52	jcamins	$Koha38New=[A=>Y,B=>medium,C=>none,D=>both]
18:52	thd	$Koha38New = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'no', 'D'=>'mixed']
18:52	slef	$styling ?
18:53		$styling = [A=> Y, B=> high, C=> no, D=> librarians];
18:53	cait	$styling = = [A=>Y,B=>medium,C=>no,D=>librarians]
18:54	thd	$Koha38New = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'low', 'C'=> 'no', 'D'=>'librarians'];
18:54	slef	thd: vote early, vote often!
18:55	jcamins	styling=[A=>Y,B=>medium,C=>no,D=>librarians]
18:55	slef	$recordsClerk ?
18:55	* thd	was still reading the description
18:55	jcamins	$recordsClerk = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ];
18:55	cait	wow again
18:55		is that number 5?
18:55	slef	yep
18:55	chris_n	looks like it was a 'ctl-v' type morning
18:56	jcamins	This is four, because number five is later.
18:56	slef	chris_n?
18:56	wahanui	release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. or late on 3.6.5
18:56	slef	wahanui: I KNOW THAT</kenneth-williams>
18:56	wahanui	slef: excuse me?
18:56	chris_n	slef: pasting in channel
18:56	thd	$recordsClerk = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'medium', 'C'=> 'unknown', 'D'=>'mixed'];
18:56	jcamins	chris_n: oh, yeah.
18:57	cait	$recordsClerk = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "PLZ combine with others from GDC ", D => Librarians ];
18:57	slef	$recordsClerk = [A=>Y, B=>low, C=>no, D=>librarians];
18:57		$languageCentres ?
18:58	jcamins	languageCentres=[A-Y,B-medium,C-no,D-both?]
18:58	slef	$languageCentres = [A=>Y, B=>high, C=>no, D=>mixed];
18:58	cait	$languagecentres =  [ A => Y, B => medium-high, C => "noC", D => mixed ];
18:59	thd	$languageCentres = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'medium', 'C'=> 'unknown', 'D'=>'mixed'];
18:59	slef	$wayToGo ?
18:59	jcamins	$wayToGo = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ];
18:59	mle_	¬¬
18:59	cait	$wayToGo = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "combine with others from GDC ", D => Librarians ];
19:00	thd	$wayToGo = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'medium', 'C'=> 'unknown', 'D'=>'librarians'];
19:01	slef	$wayToGo = [A=>Y, B=>medium, C=>'unsure maybe combine with others from GDC', D=>librarians];
19:02		$linkingRecords ?
19:02	thd	$linkingRecords = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'unknown', 'D'=>'mixed'];
19:02	cait	$linkingRecords = [ A => Y, B => medium, C =>'none', D => Librarians ];
19:04	slef	$linkingRecords = [A=> Y, B=> medium, C=> no, D=> mixed];
19:04	* jcamins	recuses himself because he could not in good conscience vote for a paper by one of the people who might have proposed this, but would definitely vote for a paper by anyone else.
19:04	slef	now I wonder who it was by :)
19:04		but this is why it's blind
19:04		so vote if you like
19:04		unless they're that scary
19:05		$migrating ?
19:05		$migrating = [ A=> Y, B=> high, C=> no, D=> librarians ];
19:05	jcamins	$migrating=[A-Y,B-medium-high,C-Try to avoid overlap with the first,D-librarians]
19:06	cait	$migrating=[A-Y,B-=>medium, C-Try to avoid overlap with the first,D-librarians]
19:06	slef	first being the 10 tips?
19:06	thd	$migrating = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'unknown', 'D'=>'mixed'];
19:06	slef	$developingCountry ?
19:06	cait	slef: migration heuristics
19:07	jwagner	Sorry, I was pulled away on a problem, doesn't look like you need me, though....
19:07	slef	cait: yeah that one
19:07	wahanui	yeah that one is populated
19:07	slef	wahanui: swine!
19:07	wahanui	slef: huh?
19:07	jcamins	$developingCountries=[A-Y,B-high,C-none,D-both]
19:07	slef	$developingCountry = [A=> Y, B=> high, C=> no, D=> both];
19:08	cait	$developingCountry=[A-Y,B-high,C-none,D-both]
19:08	thd	$developingCountry = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'no', 'D'=>'mixed'];
19:08	slef	$needMoreInfo ?
19:08	cait	yay!
19:08		we agreed :)
19:08	slef	cait: I believe in miracles... and I think I'll stop there
19:09	cait	$needMoreInfo = [A-Y,B-high,C-none,D-librarians]
19:09	slef	$needMoreInfo = [ A=> Y, B=> high, C=> maybe-lengthen?, D=> librarians];
19:09	thd	$needMoreInfo = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'unknown', 'D'=>'mixed'];
19:10	cait	$needMoreInfo = [ A=> Y, B=> high, C=> maybe-lengthen?, D=> librarians];
19:10	slef	$metadata ?
19:11	cait	reading
19:11	jcamins	$metadata=[A-Y,B-high,C-none,D-both?]
19:11	slef	$metadata = [ A=> Y, B=> medium, C=> source?, D=> developers? ];
19:12	thd	$metadata = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'no', 'D'=>'mixed'];
19:12	cait	$metadata = [ A=> Y, B=> high C=> none, D=> both ];
19:12	slef	$makingKohaBetter ?
19:12	cait	slef: source?
19:12	wahanui	hmmm... source is published you should be able to see it
19:12	slef	cait: see wahanui
19:12	cait	wahanui: forget source
19:12	wahanui	cait: I forgot source
19:12	jcamins	cait: it should be provided.
19:12	cait	??
19:12		now I am even more confused
19:12	slef	awww he gives a correct answer and gets brainwashed
19:13		poor wahanui!
19:13	cait	isn't that what happens in school too?
19:13		cait?
19:13	wahanui	That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :)
19:13	cait	hm kf?
19:13	wahanui	well, kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert.
19:13	jcamins	cait: they talk about scraping scripts, but it's unclear whether the source for the scripts will be shared.
19:13	cait	aah
19:13	slef	cait: I wonder how much source code is available. The scraping-to-z39.50 is particularly interesting.
19:13		$makingKohaBetter ?
19:13	jcamins	I have no idea what this last one is about.
19:14		(and I read the abstract)
19:14	cait	I have an idea who that is - so I guess it will be available
19:14	thd	$makingKohaBetter = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'no', 'D'=>'mixed'];
19:14	cait	$makingKohaBetter =  [ A=> Y, B=> medium, C=> maybe shorten?, ask for better description?, D=> ? ];
19:15	slef	That'll teach me to rush the abstract through at the last minute! And I'm not going to vote on that one, sorry.
19:15		ok, that's the queue processed
19:15		I'll just look up who that linking records one is
19:15		tajolicilea
19:16		ok, fuller details will be uploaded to the web soon
19:16		thanks for all your help in that marathon!
19:17		any questions before we move to next and final topic?
19:17	thd	If there may be three presentations by one party, that party should probably not dominate on any one day.
19:17	jcamins	thd: even more so with five presentations by the same group!
19:18	thd	s/three/multiple/
19:18	cait	thd: I feel 5 from same organisation si really bit much - combining them would be good in my opinion
19:18	slef	I'll probably suggest a draft schedule to next meeting, if I can make time next Wednesday
19:18	thd	Technical presentations should not dominate any non-developer days.
19:19	cait	i will do the same for the hackfest if that's ok
19:19		#action slef suggest a draft schedule for conf if he can make time
19:19		#action cait suggest a hackfest schedule to be discussed - perhaps some variatons
19:19	thd	Non-librarian oriented technical discussions may not be the best idea as the first presentation of the day.
19:20	cait	I wonder if we should push the more technical ones on the 3rd day
19:20	slef	probably a slight bias to that, yes
19:20	cait	slef: what's your impression from the registrations - are people staying for both?
19:20	slef	but not exclusively... would like to encourage interaction between libs and devs
19:20		cait: ooh let me look
19:21	thd	I agree with cait except as slef wrote "not exclusively".
19:22	cait	i can agree to that too :)
19:22	slef	more at both than not
19:22		only one hackfest-only registration so far
19:22	cait	oh?
19:22		mine?
19:22	wahanui	well, mine is very good at reminding me of druthb's place on the food chain.
19:22	cait	ah, hackfest only
19:22		misread
19:23	slef	11 conference-only
19:23		rest are dual
19:23		which is what I'd expect before papers are announced
19:23	cait	i think probably the usual suspects so far? :)
19:23		#topic Next Meeting
19:23	slef	no some names I don't recognise
19:24		next meeting is next Wednesday, 18:00 UTC
19:24	thd	wahanui: Is druthb in your menu as edible?
19:24	cait	#info next meeting is next Wednesday, 18:00 UTC
19:24		#endmeeting ?
19:24		:)
19:25	slef	and the prize for most surprising statement of the meeting goes to thd!
19:25		cait: yep
19:25	jcamins	lol
19:25	slef	thanks everyone... I may be back later if I can
19:25	wizzyrea	I can't even begin to understand that statement
19:26	cait	bye slef
19:27	narcisgarcia	Oh, I hope this meeting has been productive and pleasant.
19:27	jcamins	narcisgarcia: I don't know about pleasant, but we survived it. ;)
19:27	cait	jcamins: we had longer less productive irc meetings
19:27		:)
19:28	jcamins	cait: true.
19:28	narcisgarcia	He, he. Would be less pleasant if you didn't survive.
19:28	jcamins	lol
19:28		True.
19:28	narcisgarcia	Then it has been much productive.
19:28		It influences over pleasure.
19:29		I'm still configuring my new Koha installation, and, of course, I've waited for this moment to ask some...
19:30		We have two classifications for item tymes: support and format.
19:30		Support: paper, optical, tape, computer file, etc.
19:30		Format: text, audio, video, drawing, photo, etc.
19:31		Is it possible with Koha to have this separation?
19:31	jcamins	narcisgarcia: that's described in the 008 field if you're using MARC21, and a different field if you're using UNIMARC.
19:31	cait	what jcamins said
19:31		it's coded into the bibliographic record
19:31	narcisgarcia	I selected MARC21.
19:31	jcamins	You'll want to read about whichever flavor of MARC you are using.
19:31	cait	and Koha will show it and generate nice icons
19:31	jcamins	Okay, you should read...
19:32		http://www.loc.gov/marc/umb/
19:32	narcisgarcia	I was defining item types.
19:32	cait	itemtypes define circulation rules
19:32	jcamins	You can specify whichever item types you want.
19:32	cait	not really itemtypes
19:32	narcisgarcia	For the moment, I'm setting as item types only the Support.
19:33	cait	you should choose your itemtypes according to your circulatoin rules
19:33		for example we are using variations of: normal, reference, short loan
19:33	narcisgarcia	In the Newbie guide says that this is a main configuration step.
19:33	cait	yes, bcause later your rules depend on it
19:33		for circulation
19:34		so that is important and worth some thoughts
19:34		and it's normally causing confusion, because people think itemtypes mean it has to be books, cd, dvd... etc., but it hasn't
19:34	narcisgarcia	Circulation is referred to how the (books) move between libraries and personas?
19:34	cait	yes
19:34		loan period, if there is a rental charge, how many renewals, ...
19:35	narcisgarcia	Well, for the moment the supports similarity is good for me.
19:36	wizzyrea	I think of it like itemtypes are "types of things" - book, dvd
19:36	narcisgarcia	What I cannot do is videoCD, videoDVD, videoTAPE, videoFILE, videoBLURAY, textPOSTER, textBOOK, textFILE, etc..
19:36	wizzyrea	collection code is more like genre
19:37	narcisgarcia	(because it could be an inifinite type list)
19:37	wizzyrea	right, I think you want to use a combination of item type and collection code
19:38	narcisgarcia	But then I'll need to find a classification for genres
19:38	cait	narcisgarcia: you can use all those differently
19:38	wizzyrea	so you don't really have two, you have 3
19:38	cait	I think the only important thing is: itemtypes are used for circulation rules, collectons and locations only for searching
19:38	wizzyrea	^^
19:40	narcisgarcia	Ok.
19:44		Another question:
19:44		(Basic parameters) Libraries, branches, groups
19:45		Libraries, I understand as a physical building
19:45	wizzyrea	don't worry about groups
19:45	narcisgarcia	Groups, I understand as a name for more than one library near or related.
19:45		But branches I don't know and I don't find.
19:45	wizzyrea	it's only half implemented and mostly not working - we should tear it out.
19:45		just think of branches the same way you think of libraries.
19:46		and they are defined in the same way.
19:46	narcisgarcia	In the translation to spanish and french, branches doesn't exist.
19:46		I've already defined tho search groups: public and private.
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19:47	cait	wizzyrea: I think the search groups actually work
19:47		in advanced search you can search for more tan one branch that way
19:47		like grouping libraries on one campus
19:48		or in one city... region, whatever
19:48	wizzyrea	neat.
19:55		chris_n: about?
19:57	narcisgarcia	PATRONS: I understand that are users categories, right?
19:58		Does this affect to user rights?
19:58		(or can?)
19:59		I this the place where we can classify anonymous users, autoregistered users, and affiliated users, for example?
19:59	chris_n	wizzyrea: here
20:00		css time?
20:00	* chris_n	looks at bug 7998
20:00	wizzyrea	well yes :)
20:00	cait	narcisgarcia: normally it's more like students, teachers, adults, childs
20:00	wizzyrea	lol how did you know
20:01		besides the obvious "you got email pertaining to the subject"
20:01	chris_n	wizzyrea: well... I was just pulling my hair out trying to adjust some css for my datatables when bz emailed me about that bug
20:01		opps
20:01	narcisgarcia	We don't distinct in age of users.
20:01	wizzyrea	the distinctions are arbitrary and defined by you
20:01	chris_n	sorry for so boring an explanation :-)
20:01	narcisgarcia	And we have public libraries with also private area for private books.
20:02	chris_n	wizzyrea: I'll git bz it now
20:02	wizzyrea	I don't think I broke anything spectacularly.
20:03	narcisgarcia	I see the possibility to create patron types, but not patron categories. Are the same concept in Koha?
20:04		Sorry; I can create categories, not types.
20:04	chris_n	wizzyrea: one patch or more?
20:04	wizzyrea	only one now
20:04	chris_n	k
20:04	wizzyrea	I was working, and squashed them all together
20:05	chris_n	yeah, the purple was bit outlandish
20:05		looks *very* nice now
20:05	wizzyrea	just a typo I think
20:05	narcisgarcia	Oh, I must leave.
20:05		Good bye.
20:05	wizzyrea	ah later :)
20:05	narcisgarcia	And thanks for all the help
20:05	wizzyrea	sure thing anytime
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20:05	chris_n	wizzyrea: can we round the corners of the text field in the search bar?
20:05	* chris_n	does not want much... ;-)
20:06	wizzyrea	yes, probably :)
20:06	mveron	Good evening #koha
20:06	chris_n	rount++
20:06		round++ #rather
20:07		this really makes me want every page reworked... but switching to jQuery would allow us to use themeroller
20:09	wizzyrea	chris_n: see the followup I just attached to the bug
20:09		for the round corners
20:09	mveron	Question about naming conventions (CamelCase) in Sysem Preferences: I see 'IntranetUserCSS' and 'intranetuserjs'. Should new prefs be CamelCased?
20:09	magnus_afk	themeroller++
20:09	* wizzyrea	is not familiar with themeroller
20:10	chris_n	wizzyrea: http://jqueryui.com/themeroller/
20:10	cait	mveron: I think more are camelcased than not - so I would perhaps go with that
20:10	chris_n	camelcased is probably more readable in this case
20:10	wizzyrea	ohh
20:10		nice.
20:10	chris_n	wizzyrea: can I just git bz again?
20:10	wizzyrea	sure
20:10	chris_n	and get the other patch?
20:10	wizzyrea	yup it's on top of the first
20:11	chris_n	you must be a mind reader
20:12		I was thinking the button would look good rounded as well
20:12	* chris_n	signs off
20:12	* wizzyrea	cheers
20:12	wizzyrea	the header may still wrap with long translations :/
20:12		but we can make it bigger if necessary
20:13		feel free to squash those
20:13		if you want
20:14		my personal favorite part of this patch is the blue toolbar and the blue menu divs
20:14		it looks snappy. :)
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20:16	cait	screenshots? :)
20:16	wizzyrea	:)
20:16		sec
20:16	chris_n	do, done, did
20:17	wizzyrea	http://screencast.com/t/ew8Qw761ne
20:17		http://screencast.com/t/YJUM04jksOZ
20:18		(do note I didn't fix *everything* there that I might like to)
20:18	chris_n	why did I read 'Acevedo' as 'Avocado'?
20:19	* wizzyrea	giggles
20:19	* chris_n	likes to see all of the bz tabs open in wizzyrea's browser
20:21	chris_n	shall I sign off on the third as well?
20:22	cait	nice :)
20:22	wizzyrea	sure - I suspect that I'll have another omnibus here in a bit
20:23		i found some places that need borders that don't have them.
20:23		http://screencast.com/t/iYPipiX0vVz
20:23		there cait, that's for you :)
20:23	cait	oh :)
20:23		wizzyrea++ :)
20:23	wizzyrea	the others were too
20:26	chris_n	k, all signed off and squashed into one
20:26	wizzyrea	YAY
20:26		ty :)
20:27	chris_n	themeroller would be nice because one can create one's own theme and apply it easily as well as sharing and maintaining an easy upgrade path
20:27	wizzyrea	yea for sure, that would be so nice.
20:28	chris_n	gotta run, bbl
20:28	wizzyrea	later :)
20:28		chris_n++
20:29		cait: ok? http://screencast.com/t/VksHWdS7iK4
20:29	cait	the blue?
20:29		or the ronded edges?
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20:30	wizzyrea	and the slight border around the blue
20:30		and the roundy corners.
20:30	cait	yep I like
20:30	wizzyrea	i feel a bit funny tinkering with the look of the intranet >.>
20:30	cait	the line around the refine search seems a bit different than the lin eon the dop of the search?
20:30		what I would ike to see
20:30	wizzyrea	well, I think
20:30	cait	is us using more classes
20:31		so we can change the color of things with a few css statements
20:31		simplyfying changes like that
20:31		not needing so much tinkering
20:31	kathryn	Morning all : )
20:31	wizzyrea	hi kathryn :)
20:31	cait	hi kathryn :)
20:31		so people could apply a new color scheme very easy
20:32	wizzyrea	interestingly the definition of those things are exactly the same
20:32		the border on refine
20:32		and the border on the search header
20:34		oh I see why
20:34		cait: http://screencast.com/t/F0Zz19d6X
20:35	cait	:)
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22:39	chris_n	wizzyrea++ #I'll squash and sign off later this evening
22:39		paul_p will have his work cut out when he gets back :-)
23:04	eythian	hi
23:04	wahanui	hi, eythian
23:04	eythian	wahanui: oh, so you're talking to me now, huh?
23:04	wahanui	eythian: bugger all, i dunno
23:16	* jcamins_away	finds a 30lb hook, discovers that he doesn't have any matching nails.
23:17	jcamins_away	I always wondered, growing up, why my father had a toolbox full of screws and nails that he never used.
23:17		This is why.
23:17		Because if you don't have lots of extra, you will be lacking the one tiny piece of metal you need to finish something.
23:18	* jcamins_away	goes off in search of a nail that he almost certainly doesn't own.
23:35	mtj	anyone spotted this?... -> http://openmetadata.lib.harvard.edu/
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23:35	mtj	http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/[…]id=icb.page498373
23:36		heya ronald :)
23:36		'April 24, 2012 – The Harvard Library announced it is making more than 12 million catalog records from Harvard’s 73 libraries publicly available.'
23:37	ronald	heya mtj
23:37	mtj	http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/[…]s/?pagemode=print
23:38		wow...  'Harvard plans also to eventually include circulation data on the items as well'
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23:43	Judit	good morning