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02:05 | druthb | o/ |
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03:45 | vkm | hello good morning all |
04:22 | i am using Book(BK) for field 942$c than dividing it into three item type if there are 3 copy of the same book in field 952 as reference, Book, General but at the time of searching BOOK only in opac system gives result of all but when restricting with reference system gives only reference item please tell me why, is it may be bcz BOOK is comonly used in bibli | |
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05:16 | cait | hi #koha |
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05:56 | vkm | hello all |
06:01 | i use 942c for material type (BOOK) and if there are many copy we divide it in Reference, Book bank, Books in field 952 type but at the time of searching Book only from opac it shows reference, book bank, books also but work well when selecting reference only | |
06:04 | i want to also clarify that BOOK type is common in biblio | |
06:08 | should i keep (BOOK) for only 942 and make separate for 952 fields instead of using code of 942c | |
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06:25 | francharb | good morning |
06:28 | cait | hi francharb :) |
06:28 | @wunder Konstanz | |
06:28 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 7.9°C (8:24 AM CEST on April 25, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
06:30 | cait | hmmm |
06:33 | alex_a | bonjour |
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06:46 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
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06:50 | julian_m | hello |
06:51 | magnuse | kia ora #koha! |
06:51 | @wunder boo | |
06:51 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on April 25, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). |
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06:56 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
06:56 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 12.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on April 25, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising). |
06:56 | magnuse | ooh |
06:57 | Oak | magnuse |
07:00 | magnuse | Oak |
07:00 | :-) | |
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07:07 | esofiane | Hi everybody |
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07:14 | kf | good morning #koha |
07:15 | magnuse | guten morgen kf |
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07:17 | sophie_m | hi #koha |
07:18 | magnuse | bonjour sophie_m |
07:18 | sophie_m | hello magnuse |
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07:19 | samuel | hello everybody! |
07:19 | magnuse | hiya samuel |
07:23 | rangi | evening |
07:23 | kf | evening rangi |
07:27 | magnuse | ata marie rangi |
07:31 | rangi | http://koha.maktabat-online.org/ |
07:33 | magnuse | not quite up to date? |
07:33 | but cool anyway | |
07:35 | rangi | nope quite old, but yeah cool anyway :) |
08:41 | magnuse | can your ILS do this? http://vimeo.com/39461899 |
08:41 | ;-) | |
08:42 | kf | oh - yeah that's a good video :) |
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09:03 | Amit_Gupta | heya gaetan_B |
09:03 | wahanui | gaetan_B is probably looking at bug 7693 |
09:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7693 minor, P5 - low, ---, gaetan.boisson, Pushed to Master , clear screen button misaligned |
09:03 | Amit_Gupta | heya wahanui |
09:05 | kf | forget gaetan_B |
09:05 | wahanui | kf: I forgot gaetan_b |
09:05 | kf | gaetan_B works at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat |
09:06 | gaetan_B is working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat | |
09:06 | gaetan_B? | |
09:06 | wahanui | gaetan_B is, like, working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat |
09:06 | gaetan_B | :) |
09:06 | * gaetan_B | is at an important meeting ;) |
09:13 | kf | oh? |
09:14 | gaetan_B: asking for a raise? ;) | |
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09:24 | clrh | hello |
09:25 | kf | hi clrh and hdl :) |
09:27 | magnuse | bonjour! |
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10:03 | Amit_Gupta | heya kf hdl :) |
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10:34 | narcisgarcia | Hello all, I'm trying to install Koha in a Debian 6 server, and I have some doubt to ask. |
10:35 | I'm at this point: | |
10:35 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ueeze#Quick_Start | |
10:35 | And I don't find anywhere documented the variables DOMAIN, INTRAPORT, INTRAPREFIX, INTRASUFFIX. | |
10:36 | - Can I specify "*" to accept any domain? | |
10:37 | - What means the proposed value "-intra" for INTRASUFFIX? | |
10:38 | My installation is to be used from internet and LAN. | |
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10:43 | narcisgarcia | Hello Oak |
10:43 | Oak | hello narcisgarcia |
10:43 | narcisgarcia | I'm trying to install Koha in a Debian 6 server, and I have some doubt to ask. |
10:44 | Oak | okay, i'll try to help |
10:44 | narcisgarcia | I'm at this point: |
10:44 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ueeze#Quick_Start | |
10:44 | And I don't find anywhere documented the variables DOMAIN, INTRAPORT, INTRAPREFIX, INTRASUFFIX. | |
10:46 | Oak | what do you get when you type http://localhost on your browser |
10:47 | narcisgarcia | "The requested URL / was not found on this server." |
10:47 | (is not localhost; another server) | |
10:48 | Oak | is it a remote server? |
10:48 | narcisgarcia | Can help me some of the utilities which I see installed on /usr/sbin/ ? |
10:49 | Yes, I'm on my desktop making the installation on a remote web server. | |
10:49 | Oak | on Internet or on a local neteork? |
10:50 | narcisgarcia | My installation is to be used from internet and LAN, but I'm now working on internet. |
10:50 | DOMAIN: Can I specify "*" to accept any domain? | |
10:51 | Oak | sorry, I have never done that, and I am not sure how you are doing that... your server has an Internet IP? anyway, i hope someone might be able to help... |
10:52 | narcisgarcia | (this is a strange channel, with 45 silent users) |
10:53 | Yes, of course my server has a public IP and I can associate internet domain names to it. | |
10:53 | Oak, thanks for the try. | |
10:54 | Are you looking for other help? | |
10:56 | Oak | what do you mean? |
10:57 | narcisgarcia | I understand that this is a Koha support channel. Do you need support? |
10:58 | Oak | are you a troll? |
10:59 | * Oak | goes for lunch |
10:59 | narcisgarcia | Am I wrong in some detail? |
10:59 | What come to do the 40+ users connected to this channel? | |
11:00 | I'm trying to use a software and I came to a support resource advertised in the community web. | |
11:00 | Simple. | |
11:02 | Once seen that this IRC channel doesn't work, I'm going to try with a mailing list/forum. | |
11:02 | liw | much of the Koha community is in the US (still asleep) or in NZ/Australia (going to sleep if not asleep already); Europeans are probalby having lunch right now, and that's why it's silent here |
11:02 | kf | liw++ |
11:03 | liw | however, being pushy and aggressive when asking for advice from a community is often a good way to cause resentment in those who would help |
11:03 | narcisgarcia | Yes, I'm in Europe. But when I go to sleep I don't leave chat connections on, in the same way I don't leave a phone call open. |
11:03 | kf | narcisgarcia: it's different here |
11:03 | a lotof people stay connected | |
11:03 | and a lot of people are at work too | |
11:04 | narcisgarcia | Ok. |
11:04 | liw | my e-mail server accepts messages even when I am asleep; so does my irc client |
11:04 | kf | I think you are installing using hte packages, so perhaps this is of some help for you |
11:04 | packages? | |
11:04 | wahanui | it has been said that packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
11:04 | narcisgarcia | The sense of a chat is the live talking. |
11:05 | Thanks. | |
11:05 | Yes, I've used the repository documented in the wiki | |
11:05 | deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main | |
11:05 | magnuse | narcisgarcia: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]e_Debian_packages |
11:06 | that gives you an overview of what the koha-*commands do | |
11:06 | narcisgarcia | A Koha instance is like an Apache site profile? |
11:06 | magnuse | yeah, similar |
11:07 | you can have many instances on the same server | |
11:07 | narcisgarcia | Then I need to remove default Apache profile, If I will not use any other service in the same server? |
11:08 | magnuse | disabling the default apache site is a good idea, yes |
11:08 | if you are not using it for something else | |
11:08 | narcisgarcia | This Debian server i installed only for Koha. |
11:08 | magnuse | do you have a domain name for the server that you are installing on? |
11:08 | ok | |
11:09 | narcisgarcia | Yes, I have an internet domain name, but Does koha allow to use different domains or subdomains? |
11:10 | magnuse | using subdomains is usually a good idea |
11:10 | you can have koha.example.org | |
11:11 | the variables you asked about are for telling koha-create what you want the urls of the opac and the intranet to be | |
11:11 | narcisgarcia | And koha1.example.org library.example.net ? |
11:11 | magnuse | you can have as many subdomains with koha on them as you want, yes |
11:11 | narcisgarcia | And can I allow any name (*)? |
11:11 | magnuse | no |
11:12 | you have to give each instance a name, and that will corespond to a subdomain | |
11:12 | so lets say your domain is example.org | |
11:12 | you can then create an instance called koha1 and have that available as koha1.example.org | |
11:13 | to do that you have to set DOMAIN=".example.org" | |
11:13 | narcisgarcia | If I specify DOMAIN=".net" then I can create an instance "example" for an URL http://example.net/" ? |
11:13 | magnuse | if you then create koha2, it will become koha2.example.org |
11:13 | hm, i never tried that, but yes i think that should work | |
11:14 | narcisgarcia | I need to create "koha2.example" to result in http://koha2.example.net/ , right? |
11:14 | magnuse | i think i would do it the first way |
11:14 | narcisgarcia | Then, the minimum domain expression is the top level (.net .org ...) |
11:15 | Ok. | |
11:15 | magnuse | if you want one koha site at example.net and another at koha.example.net, i think you first need to set DOMAIN=".net" and create an instance "example", then set DOMAIN="example.net" and create an instance called "koha" |
11:16 | now, koha has two interfaces | |
11:16 | narcisgarcia | Then, in the "Quick Start" step of the wiki guide for 3.6, I better can avoid editing "/etc/koha/koha-sites.conf" and use koha-create, right? |
11:16 | magnuse | as far as i rememeber, you have to create /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf |
11:17 | narcisgarcia | What implies "one interface" or "two interfaces" ? Will share the same database, or will be a "multisite" use of Koha (unrelated between) |
11:17 | ? | |
11:17 | magnuse | no, each installation has two interfaces with the same database |
11:17 | one interface for the public and one for the librarians | |
11:17 | what most people do is run the librarian interface on port 8080 | |
11:18 | but you could also run it on e.g. koha1-admin.example.org | |
11:18 | narcisgarcia | Ok, there is not a link like "librarian login" in the same public interface... |
11:18 | magnuse | INTRAPORT, INTRAPREFIX and INTRASUFFIX are for telling koha-create what you want it to be |
11:18 | no, no link from the public interface to the librarian interface | |
11:19 | narcisgarcia | Then, better I can make a public.example.net + librarians.example.net |
11:20 | And both will share the same file /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf ? | |
11:20 | It's right for me to use only the port 80. | |
11:20 | magnuse | not /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf, but /etc/koha/sites/yoursitename/koha-conf.xml |
11:21 | there is a small problem there, though | |
11:21 | narcisgarcia | in http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze talks only about /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf |
11:21 | magnuse | you can't tell koha-create to create totally different subdomains |
11:21 | for koha1 it can create koha1.example.org and e.g. koha1-admin.example.org | |
11:22 | but you can always tweak the apache site configuration afterwards | |
11:22 | narcisgarcia | They are different same as my last example. |
11:22 | magnuse | if you want to change from koha1-admin.example.org to admin.example.org |
11:22 | ah, i might have misread you | |
11:22 | narcisgarcia | Oook, the INTRASUFFIX is to add a suffix to the subdomain word (?) |
11:23 | magnuse | yes! |
11:23 | narcisgarcia | Strange design in Koha. |
11:23 | magnuse | hehe |
11:23 | you're wlcome to suggest improvements! :-) | |
11:24 | liw | there's a Koha hackfest coming up in Edinburgh, June; improving the initial setup of stuff with the Debian packages would be a good thing to work on, perhaps |
11:24 | narcisgarcia | Improvement to suggest: replace current variables for: PUBLICPORT, PUBLICDOMAIN, ADMINPORT, ADMINDOMAIN. |
11:25 | mtj | narcisgarcia: these installation tools are not Koha - they are separate from Koha |
11:25 | narcisgarcia | OK. |
11:25 | magnuse | mtj: not sure i'd agree with that :-) |
11:25 | mtj | so, strange design in 3rd-party Koha installation tools... ;) |
11:26 | * liw | takes full blame for this :-) |
11:26 | magnuse | how are they 3-rd party? |
11:26 | narcisgarcia | As I understand until now, /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf is a template to be used by koha-create, right? |
11:26 | magnuse | narcisgarcia: yup |
11:27 | mtj | magnuse: the install tools do not exist in the Koha git repo |
11:27 | magnuse | mtj: yes they do |
11:27 | narcisgarcia | Then I need first to setup /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf and after run koha-create anyway. |
11:27 | magnuse | yup |
11:27 | mtj | oops :) really? |
11:27 | magnuse | mtj: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3a40661a6;hb=HEAD |
11:27 | moahaha ;-) | |
11:28 | mtj | aah, i take that back then! :) |
11:28 | magnuse | ;-) |
11:28 | narcisgarcia | The INTRA* variables only refer to librarian interface and doesn't affect to public acces, right? |
11:28 | liw | is Koha packaged for any other distro than Debian? might be good to generalize those scripts if so |
11:28 | * magnuse | thinks liw deserves a ton of credit, not blame! |
11:28 | mtj | ok, now i shut up... :) |
11:28 | magnuse | narcisgarcia: correct |
11:29 | kf | liw: I don't think is is currently |
11:29 | magnuse | liw: rangi has some packages for ubuntu somewhere, but i think those are the only ones |
11:29 | narcisgarcia | I'm more happy now, thanks to magnuse. I will contribute to this part of the wiki. |
11:29 | magnuse | narcisgarcia++ |
11:31 | narcisgarcia | One detail: If I create two instances, they share the database, but they are independent libraries with independent books? |
11:31 | magnuse | no, two instances have separate databases |
11:32 | kf | they are completely independent |
11:32 | magnuse | but you can have more then one library in one instance |
11:32 | narcisgarcia | Ok, It's only a possibility. |
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11:33 | magnuse | kia ora nengard |
11:33 | nengard | goo morning |
11:33 | or | |
11:33 | good morning | |
11:33 | narcisgarcia | Setting INTRAPORT to X, will also the public interface use this port? |
11:33 | nengard | :) |
11:33 | magnuse | goo morning sounds fun too ;-) |
11:33 | narcisgarcia | nengard, good morning. |
11:33 | kf | narcisgarcia: no, only the intranet |
11:33 | not the opac | |
11:33 | narcisgarcia | The public interface always use the port 80? |
11:34 | magnuse | the public interface has to be on port 80 |
11:34 | narcisgarcia: yes | |
11:34 | kf | you can enforce login for search with the configuraton, if you are worried about that |
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11:36 | magnuse | Oak |
11:36 | narcisgarcia | Ok, comments added to: |
11:36 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ueeze#Quick_Start | |
11:38 | magnuse | nice |
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11:42 | narcisgarcia | Can I use a dot "." in INTRAPREFIX ? For example "admin." ? |
11:43 | Oak | magnuse |
11:43 | narcisgarcia | Then get (public) library.example.net and (librarians) admin.library.example.net |
11:43 | Oak | magnuse, can I make barcode appear on OPAC search result? |
11:43 | wait, found a result in google | |
11:43 | mtj | narcisgarcia: you can configure your koha urls to be as weird as you want them too |
11:44 | well, as weird as apache will allow them to be | |
11:44 | magnuse | narcisgarcia: i think that should work yes |
11:44 | mtj | ... and on any ports you want too |
11:44 | magnuse | Oak: not sure |
11:44 | Oak | hmm |
11:45 | magnuse | well, i'm pretty sure you can't display the barcode |
11:46 | unless yu use 3.8 and create images for the barcodes that you display with the new supper cool "local images" functionality | |
11:47 | Oak | magnuse, http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]ay-td4983784.html |
11:47 | that was in Nov 14, 2011 | |
11:47 | it should have been in 3.6.4, no? | |
11:47 | jcamins_away | Oak: that's only for logged-in users. |
11:48 | Also, that's on the details page not the results page. | |
11:48 | Oak | nah i know that one |
11:48 | the guy with the question was talking about what i want | |
11:48 | magnuse | ah, why was i thinking barcode-as-image? |
11:49 | jcamins_away | magnuse: 'cause it's cool? |
11:49 | Oak | to display on opac results without logging in |
11:49 | magnuse | jcamins_away: yeah, probably |
11:49 | jcamins_away | Oak: yes, that can't be done. |
11:49 | Oak | why not? |
11:49 | i mean there must be some good reason? | |
11:49 | jcamins_away | No one has cared enough to add it. |
11:49 | Oak | ah okay. |
11:49 | jcamins_away | No, there's no reason not to do it, it's just that no one has wanted it. ;) |
11:49 | magnuse | you could add it by editing the xslt for opac results, i guess? |
11:50 | jcamins_away | Yeah, that'd work. |
11:50 | Well, sort of. | |
11:50 | magnuse | or is the item info not available to that? |
11:50 | jcamins_away | Multiple items would make things really ugly. |
11:50 | magnuse | yup |
11:50 | jcamins_away | Item info is available. |
11:50 | magnuse | ok |
11:50 | mtj | Oak: that feature has not been submitted to Koha yet |
11:50 | Oak | hmmm |
11:51 | jcamins_away | If OSS Labs submits their code, you should definitely test it and sign off if it works. |
11:51 | mtj | hmm, Savitra says Nucsoft has submitted a patch |
11:51 | Oak | well, I'm about to print barcodes on a sticker sheet, and was wondering how to paste them... i mean a staff member should be able to type the barcode into opac, see the book title, and copy number, and paste that barcode on the book. |
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11:52 | vkm | hello all |
11:52 | Oak | by staff member i mean a data entry guy... |
11:52 | jcamins_away | Oak: why don't you have the staff member use the intranet? |
11:52 | Oak | who does not know Koha |
11:52 | mtj | ... but Savitra gives no bug number |
11:53 | jcamins_away | mtj: I have not seen anything like that submitted in the last few years. |
11:53 | Oak | jcamins_away, well yes i'll teach him how to find out the barcodes in intranet then. yes that's the only way. |
11:53 | jcamins_away | Oak: it's no harder than the OPAC. |
11:53 | Oak | i know |
11:53 | mtj | bug 6774 |
11:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6774 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, amit.gupta, Failed QA , Display barcode on OPAC detail page |
11:54 | Oak | search an item, click "Add/Edit Items", click "Edit" on each copy ... |
11:54 | jcamins_away | mtj: that's the details page, not the results page. |
11:54 | mtj | but is OPAC display page only - not search-results page |
11:54 | jcamins_away | Oak: no... |
11:54 | vkm | i am using 942 for type of book and separating in 952 in case of multi copy like reference reserve etc |
11:54 | mtj | jcamins_away: yep :) |
11:54 | Oak | is their an easier way jcamins_away ? less steps? |
11:55 | jcamins_away | Oak: yes, just view the record in the intranet. |
11:55 | Easy as pie. | |
11:55 | vkm | but at the time of searching by limiting book only it shows all reserve reference |
11:55 | jcamins_away | There's a table with item information on the regular view in the intranet that lists all the barcodes. |
11:56 | vkm | but if i limit by reserve,reference it shows only that |
11:57 | Oak | jcamins_away, yes! awesome. |
11:57 | this will do. | |
11:57 | jcamins_away | :) |
11:58 | magnuse | jcamins++ |
11:58 | vkm | 942 i am using in biblio record as a book only than separating in 952 like reference |
11:58 | Oak | jcamins++ |
11:59 | vkm | book (BK) is used in 942 and 952 both |
11:59 | should i not use BK code in 952 | |
12:02 | i think book is commonly used for biblio record for material type so it is searching all reference, reserve etc when i limit by book | |
12:03 | please reply i think the 942 item is commonly used for all the items in code 952 under one biblio record | |
12:05 | so when i limit the search by 942 (BOOK) under which there are several type of books like reserve,reference in 952 so it shows like that | |
12:06 | kf | vkm: 942 is only a default value, if your item-level_itypes system preference is set to specific item |
12:07 | vk | |
12:07 | there are differnt ways to work with Koha, the system preference is crucial | |
12:07 | if you want to have different itemtypes for the items on one record | |
12:07 | set it to specific items and (almost) forget about 942 | |
12:07 | narcisgarcia | Oops, in the wiki talks about /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf but in the man page says /etc/koha/koha-site.conf (without the "s") |
12:08 | kf | if you see weird behaviour perhaps your system preference is set to the wrong value? |
12:08 | magnuse | narcisgarcia: looks like a typo |
12:08 | vkm | means 942c is not mandatory |
12:08 | narcisgarcia | And I see more variables: OPACPORT, OPACPREFIX, OPACSUFFIX, ZEBRA_MARC_FORMAT, ZEBRA_LANGUAGE |
12:08 | Which is the correct? With "s" or without? | |
12:09 | magnuse | narcisgarcia: let me check |
12:10 | narcisgarcia: /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf is correct | |
12:10 | narcisgarcia | Ok, then the man page for koha-create is to be corrected. |
12:10 | Thanks. | |
12:11 | magnuse | narcisgarcia: want to report a bug for it? http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/ |
12:11 | vkm | at present what i am doing is i made 942c as books and in 952 i am assigning reference because material is related to book |
12:11 | Amit_Gupta | heya magnuse |
12:12 | magnuse | hi Amit_Gupta |
12:13 | narcisgarcia | magnuse, Does that installation of bugzilla publish the email addresses? |
12:14 | (for my previous bad experiences with that software) | |
12:15 | magnuse | yeah, they do show up |
12:15 | francharb | hi all |
12:15 | i got a zebra questoin | |
12:15 | magnuse | narcisgarcia: i can report the bug if you dn't want to |
12:15 | francharb | is it possible to create an index on a part of the leader? |
12:15 | (what a question!) | |
12:15 | narcisgarcia | magnuse, thanks. |
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12:16 | francharb | s/leader/biblio leader |
12:17 | vkm | please tell me 942 is mandatory |
12:17 | narcisgarcia | I've read that "marc21" is a fusion of MARC from USA and Canada, and allowing Unicode. "unimarc" is another revision used in Europe (Unicode?). And I suppose "nomarc" refers to don't use MARC standards, right? |
12:17 | vkm | field 942c in koha |
12:18 | francharb | narcisgarcia, nope |
12:18 | nomarc is for norway marc | |
12:18 | narcisgarcia | It's for ZEBRA_MARC_FORMAT |
12:19 | Ok for the last one. | |
12:19 | francharb | ;) |
12:19 | magnuse | narcisgarcia: it's noRmarc :-) |
12:20 | narcisgarcia | Aha, left the "r" |
12:20 | magnuse | Bug 8008 |
12:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8008 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Typo in man page for koha-create |
12:21 | narcisgarcia | Is MARC21 designed observing UNIMARC, is UNIMARC designed observing MARC21, or are independent forks? |
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12:22 | vkm | please advice i have same 3 books have reference,reserve and general book how to enter it |
12:23 | i am using 942c for biblio record and dividing it in 952 as reference, reserve | |
12:23 | but For general book i use same code as 942c | |
12:25 | kf | narcisgarcia: where are you located? |
12:25 | narcisgarcia | In Spain |
12:25 | kf | narcisgarcia: if you want to use unimarc or marc21 will depend on that :) |
12:25 | hmnot sure about spain | |
12:25 | vkm | india |
12:26 | kf | unimarc is used in italy and in france I think, germany is using marc21 |
12:26 | vkm: I tried to explain it | |
12:26 | narcisgarcia | I'm installing Koha for an international library network, and I need that supports a lot of different materials. |
12:26 | kf | vkm: if you use itemtypes on item level, it's not really important what you set in 942 - use the most common itemtype there |
12:27 | narcisgarcia: there are differences in unimarc and marc21 but both support lots of different materials | |
12:27 | narcisgarcia | I prefer to use the most flexible and wide used variant of MARC than using the local preferred. |
12:27 | kf | it depends really on which sources you want to use, for exampl library of congress will provide records in mARC21 |
12:27 | like the german national library | |
12:28 | I think perhaps use marc21 then | |
12:29 | narcisgarcia | MARC21/UNIMARC variants affect to string encode or also to fields? |
12:29 | kf | no both are utf8 |
12:29 | if that was the queston | |
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12:29 | kf | I think marc21 should be right according to this: http://www.bne.es/en/Bibliotecarios/NormativaBNE/ |
12:29 | dgl-library | Hi #koha |
12:29 | narcisgarcia | Then it's a field definition matter... |
12:29 | kf | ... the Biblioteca Nacional de España (National Library of Spain) has decided to adopt the MARC 21 format... |
12:29 | narcisgarcia | Hello dgl-library |
12:30 | kf | narcisgarcia: fields are different for both formats |
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12:30 | kf | perhaps if you migrate data it's worth finding out what you get from the libraries |
12:30 | narcisgarcia | And in France... what do they use? |
12:30 | kf | UNIMARC |
12:31 | dgl-library | I've got a question about MARC frameworks… We're using the Quick framework, and I'd like to add a MARC field from the Default framework. But it has many subfields. Is there any easy way to import that MARC field into the Quick framework with all the subfields? |
12:31 | kf | but overall Ithink marc21 is more widely used... from what I know |
12:31 | narcisgarcia | Deustchland MARC21, France UNIMARC, España MARC21,... Europe mixed. |
12:31 | kf | dgl-library: no sorry, you can't copy fields over |
12:31 | narcisgarcia: it's the way standards work it seems | |
12:31 | ... | |
12:31 | vkm | where is the option to set item type in system preference |
12:31 | kf | dgl-library: have you tried the export options for frameworks? you can use spreadsheets for editing, that makes it a bit faster |
12:32 | tajoli | Or you can use SQL |
12:32 | dgl-library | kf: wow. so I have to do it step by step? it could take ……… uh, no, I didn't know about that |
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12:32 | dgl-library | tajoli: another option! |
12:32 | wahanui | another option is to use the packages |
12:32 | kf | dgl-library: which verion of koha are you using? |
12:32 | wahanui: not this time :) | |
12:32 | wahanui | kf: excuse me? |
12:32 | vkm | ok i got kf |
12:33 | dgl-library | kf: the current stable release. (3.6.??) |
12:33 | 3.06.04.000 | |
12:33 | tajoli | SQL is fast but you can do big mistakes |
12:33 | kf | dgl-library: only checking you have the feature - it's in there :) |
12:33 | it was introduced with 3.6 | |
12:34 | dgl-library | kf: thanks, I'll give it a try, I think |
12:34 | One more question: Our staff client is working fine, but there is no OPAC. How do I turn it on? | |
12:34 | vkm | dear kf item type is set to specific |
12:35 | magnuse | bug 8008 is a super-easy signoff, just saying :-) |
12:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8008 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Fix typo in man page for koha-create |
12:36 | Oak | magnuse++ |
12:36 | magnuse | yay! |
12:36 | vkm | already in system preference my question is i am using same item code BK in 942c and 952 also at tha same time under same record use REF for reference also |
12:36 | circulation fines are workinfg fine | |
12:36 | narcisgarcia | All european countries around Spain use UNIMARC (France, Portugal, Italia). Probably I'll use MARC21 because of matching libraries in Spain and may be more wide used in the world (?) |
12:38 | vkm | but when i limit to search by BK Book item opac shows those record which is having REF only |
12:38 | slef | narcisgarcia: no, UK uses MARC21. |
12:38 | narcisgarcia | There is a lot of water between UK and ES. |
12:38 | slef | narcisgarcia: so what? We're still Europe. |
12:38 | narcisgarcia | (without floating libraries) |
12:38 | vkm | but i have used BK in all record in 942c |
12:39 | * slef | goes to lunch |
12:39 | dgl-library | kf: I really need to register with Bugzilla. Found a bug: Export to OpenDocument spreadsheet yields a zero-kb file. |
12:39 | kf: but the other formats worked fine. | |
12:39 | narcisgarcia | Where I am, I can go on bycicle to a french library and return to spain the same morning. |
12:39 | dgl-library | kf: so thanks! |
12:40 | narcisgarcia: ¡presumido! | |
12:40 | vkm | please tell me 942c is mandatory |
12:40 | narcisgarcia | dgl-library: no, it's because we are very near. |
12:40 | (and this makes to doubt about UNIMARC) | |
12:40 | dgl-library | narcisgarcia: only joking |
12:40 | narcisgarcia | Of course... |
12:41 | slef | dgl-library: kf: does bugzilla not allow openID login yet? :( |
12:42 | vkm: default item type 942$c is pretty much mandatory but imported records often omit it. | |
12:42 | narcisgarcia | Going to lunch... have a nice day. |
12:42 | slef | narcisgarcia: yes, but not to Italy from any part of Spain. |
12:43 | dgl-library | narcisgarcia: lunch in which country today? |
12:43 | narcisgarcia | Well, to Italy I can go with own car in the same time. |
12:43 | vkm | if i have 3 copy of same book , reference, reserve, general book for issue now how to enter it |
12:44 | narcisgarcia | I'm going to lunch in the spanish time (near Italy, and seeing the same sea) |
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12:44 | vkm | at present under one record i entered as in 942c BOOK than in 952 as Reference,reserve and again BOOK |
12:45 | narcisgarcia | As I said , I'll probably use MARC21, and probably in UK will use the Euro currency... he, he.. |
12:45 | vkm | and if i have only one reference book than again i used 942c for book than in 952 used reference |
12:52 | pastebot | "nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "need report help with a report we can run tho find out the average fine paid by anyone whose fines for the year were over $2" (19 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/361 |
12:53 | dgl-library | kf: in the exported XML document, it only shows the MARC field, but not all the subfields |
12:54 | slef | bah lunch not ready |
12:54 | kf | dgl-library: hmm, I have not used the xml format yet, I work normally witht he open office format |
12:54 | slef | back to this funding bid |
12:55 | kf | dgl-library: then you get a spreadsheet with different pages for fields and subfields to edit |
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12:57 | dgl-library | kf: the open office format exported a zero-kb (empty) document every time |
12:58 | kf: sorry! I just saw the other pages | |
12:58 | kf | dgl-library: uh :( no idea what's wrong and can't test now - sorry :( |
12:58 | slef | dgl-library: check error logs |
12:59 | dgl-library | slef: my mistake, I didn't see, but the subfields are there. |
12:59 | slef: but about the ods format, you mean? I will check | |
13:00 | vkm | please advice i have two books one for reference and another for circulation should i enter it in two different biblio or under one biblio |
13:00 | if under one biblio than what to enter in 942c field | |
13:01 | dgl-library | slef: are the error logs in Log Viewer? |
13:02 | @backup | |
13:02 | huginn | dgl-library: I suck |
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13:02 | dgl-library | @database dump |
13:02 | huginn | dgl-library: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
13:03 | magnuse | dgl-library: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Backing_up_Koha ? |
13:04 | dgl-library | magnuse: thanks! I was just reading and re-reading the table of contents of the manual and couldn't find that |
13:04 | slef | dgl-library: probably a file koha-error_log on the server in a var/log somewhere |
13:05 | kf | vkm: you will get no different answer - use one record and items with different itemtypes - ignore 942 or use the most often used itemtype there. it doesn't matter really |
13:06 | slef | vkm: one biblio with whatever you think will be most common in 942c and items with different 952y item types and item-level item types |
13:08 | vkm | i used BK Book comonly in 942 even the book is reference type so in searching it creates problem |
13:08 | but used 952 for various type to define | |
13:10 | so when restricting the search by BOOK i got the record having reference only item | |
13:12 | kf | vkm: what is your system preference for item-level_itype set to? |
13:12 | vkm | its item type |
13:12 | not biblio record | |
13:13 | kf | then it's probably a bug |
13:13 | in the search, using the itemtype from biblio level for search instead only checking 952 | |
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13:15 | vkm | so i am using same type BOOK (BK) in 942c than 952 for different item its ok |
13:17 | only problem is when i will restrict the search by BOOK i will get result of those record which have BOOK in 942c but only reference at 952 | |
13:18 | it seems that Book is peeking from 942c where it is commonly used for all record | |
13:20 | slef | vkm: I agree with kf. Sounds like a bug in the search. Report it to your support provider, or to http://bugs.koha-community.org |
13:21 | vkm | i will do some more research |
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13:31 | schuster | I'm baaack.... Laughs maniaclly... Generally that means I will have questions... I just don't know what they are yet! |
13:33 | magnuse | well, we got answers, but we dont know what they are yet either :-) |
13:33 | libsysguy | quantum answers |
13:33 | but don't peek | |
13:33 | or they'll forever be destroyed | |
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14:04 | * wizzyrea | waves |
14:05 | magnuse | o/ |
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14:18 | user | Hello all |
14:18 | slef | hell user |
14:19 | hello user, even | |
14:19 | narcisgarcia | Hello again |
14:20 | I'm completing the decisions about /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf and there is a variable which I want to know better. | |
14:21 | ZEBRA_LANGUAGE, for which the man page says "Primary language for Zebra indexing. Possible values are 'en', 'fr' and 'nb'" | |
14:21 | Does anybody know what implies this language selection? | |
14:22 | Does matter if the titles registered will be in german, spanish, russian or else? | |
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14:29 | nengard | need report help with a report we can run tho find out the average fine paid by anyone whose fines for the year were over $2 at http://paste.koha-community.org/361 |
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14:41 | Oak | can someone see if this works: 111.68.99.243 |
14:42 | wizzyrea | it's pretty poky |
14:43 | Oak | poky? |
14:43 | wizzyrea | and doesn't seem to be answering |
14:43 | (slow) | |
14:43 | Oak | hmm |
14:43 | thanks! | |
15:02 | narcisgarcia | Does anybody know what implies the ZEBRA_LANGUAGE configuration? |
15:04 | kf | I think perhaps the language that is used for some of the settings - like sorting |
15:04 | magnuse | "Specifies primary language of records that will be indexed by Zebra." |
15:04 | kf | not sure about the right codes, I think htere is no specific setting for spanish |
15:05 | magnuse | in Makefile.PL the suggestions are en, fr and nb |
15:05 | but i don't remember what it actually does... | |
15:07 | ah yes, i think it makes sure the zebra config files has the path to the right language here: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]zebradb/lang_defs | |
15:07 | or in oter words that the right sort-string-utf.chr is used | |
15:08 | narcisgarcia: it has to do with how "special characters" are mapped | |
15:08 | so choose the one that is most similar to spanish | |
15:08 | (i think en will probably be ok, though) | |
15:09 | narcisgarcia | Most similar to Spanish is French, but lacks of ñ |
15:10 | I see that there are installed: | |
15:10 | /etc/koha/zebradb/lang_defs/nb/sort-string-utf.chr | |
15:10 | /etc/koha/zebradb/lang_defs/fr/sort-string-utf.chr | |
15:10 | /etc/koha/zebradb/lang_defs/en/sort-string-utf.chr | |
15:10 | Is it used at effect of sorting strings? | |
15:10 | magnuse | looks like it :-) |
15:11 | narcisgarcia | May I create a file shuch as /etc/koha/zebradb/lang_defs/es/sort-string-utf.chr for spanish? |
15:11 | magnuse | worth a try :-) |
15:11 | narcisgarcia | But then, if in the same instance librarians catalogue french titles, english titles, and others, what happens? |
15:11 | magnuse | there are often some spanish people here, but i don't see any now - could ask them what they do |
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15:12 | narcisgarcia | Which language is "nb" ? |
15:12 | magnuse | norwegian |
15:12 | wahanui | norwegian is, like, the only exception for the workaround bei F Somers |
15:12 | magnuse | wahanui: forget norwegian |
15:12 | wahanui | magnuse: I forgot norwegian |
15:13 | narcisgarcia | Well, I'm preparing an international (private) network of libraries, and there will be titles of a lot of countries and languages in the same database/instance. |
15:13 | magnuse | narcisgarcia: http://www.indexdata.com/zebra[…]er-map-files.html |
15:13 | narcisgarcia | Thanks |
15:14 | magnuse | i think i would just use en then, but i can't say i know all the consequences |
15:15 | wizzyrea | lots of libraries have similar situations re: titles and such in foreign languages, and idk what exactly they do, but I am *sure* that *we* just use EN |
15:16 | narcisgarcia | English is the poorest character map. For spanish is better norwegian than english, but the best can be french. |
15:17 | There is no foreign language for me, because there is no language in the moon to index. | |
15:19 | In Spain there are different languages: Castilian (known as spanish), Catalan, Euskara, Galician, Asturian, end some others. Not all of them have the same character set. | |
15:20 | For example, Castilian has the "ñ" (HTML ñ), and Catalan has the "ç" | |
15:21 | Most of the european languages (including french, spanish, catalan,..) include the english character set, but have more characters (æñç) and variants (àáâä) | |
15:21 | magnuse | makes it that much more interesting |
15:22 | narcisgarcia | Then, selecting any other language than english is a better option, because all the english characters are ever supported. |
15:22 | magnuse | guess that's true, yes |
15:24 | narcisgarcia | If you have a library in London with 10,000 books catalogued, and you think that sometime can have 1 book in french, only for that book is better that you configure Zebra for French. |
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15:26 | slef | æ is in English too but often transliterated |
15:27 | ä too | |
15:27 | ë more common | |
15:30 | narcisgarcia | I have a problem: |
15:30 | Have run: | |
15:31 | sudo koha-create --use-db mydatabase myinstance | |
15:31 | (previously created a database in MySQL) | |
15:31 | and says: | |
15:31 | cat: /etc/koha/passwd: File or directory doesn't exist | |
15:32 | Enabling site mydatabase | |
15:32 | Run '/etc/init.d/apache2 reload' to activate new configuration! | |
15:32 | Restarting web server: apache2 ... waiting . | |
15:32 | Starting Zebra server for bibliokoha | |
15:33 | # And the web interface says: | |
15:33 | Software error: | |
15:33 | magnuse | i don't think there is a --use-db option? [--create-db|--request-db|--populate-db] |
15:33 | narcisgarcia | Unknown database 'koha_mydatabase' at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 730. |
15:33 | Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 33. | |
15:33 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 33. | |
15:33 | Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-main.pl line 22. | |
15:33 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-main.pl line 22. | |
15:33 | For help, please send mail to the webmaster ([no address given]), giving this error message and the time and date of the error. | |
15:33 | magnuse | ah, sorry, my fault, there is such an option |
15:34 | narcisgarcia | I don't know from where must it take the webmaster address, and the username&password for MySQL. |
15:35 | (didn't ask for them) | |
15:35 | wizzyrea | it gets the webmaster address from apache |
15:35 | narcisgarcia | The wiki guide doesn't talk about /etc/koha/passwd |
15:35 | magnuse | i think jcamins_away would know more about those options, if he were around |
15:36 | see the commit message here: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0e48447799004935b | |
15:37 | narcisgarcia: looks like you should have put the username and password in /etc/koha/passwd | |
15:37 | narcisgarcia | In which format? |
15:37 | magnuse | it's much easier to use --create-db... |
15:37 | it's in man koha-create: "Pre-selected database credentials are read from this file, if it exists. The format for this file is instancename:username:passwd:database. Database is optional, but the other three are required if you want to use pre-determined database user credentials." | |
15:37 | narcisgarcia | But --create-db will need a usr&pwd too. |
15:38 | magnuse | nope, it will create then for you |
15:38 | narcisgarcia | Ok, the man page. |
15:38 | magnuse | username based on the instance name and random password |
15:40 | narcisgarcia | Now I have run: |
15:40 | sudo koha-remove myinstance | |
15:40 | # And says: | |
15:40 | Removing Koha instance -- | |
15:41 | ERROR 1396 (HY000) at line 1: Operation DROP USER failed for 'koha_--'@'%' | |
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15:42 | wizzyrea | because the user you're trying to remove doesn't exist maybe? |
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15:42 | narcisgarcia | sudo koha-list |
15:43 | mydatabase | |
15:43 | $ sudo koha-remove mydatabase | |
15:43 | Removing Koha instance -- | |
15:43 | ERROR 1396 (HY000) at line 1: Operation DROP USER failed for 'koha_--'@'%' | |
15:44 | magnuse | yeah, that's tricky... |
15:45 | wizzyrea | the *user* you're trying to remove doesn't exist. |
15:45 | narcisgarcia | I'm thinking on delete the server and install a clean Debian and start again. |
15:45 | wizzyrea | or apt-get remove koha-common |
15:45 | with the option to purge everything | |
15:45 | and reinstall koha-common fresh. | |
15:45 | narcisgarcia | APT will purge instances data? |
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15:46 | narcisgarcia | I'm afraid to find other several errors like this in the future... |
15:47 | wizzyrea | installing koha often requires a sense of adventure. |
15:48 | packages? | |
15:48 | wahanui | well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
15:48 | narcisgarcia | I've used a fresh Debian Squeeze installation, and the pointed repository. |
15:48 | I've found other variants like LibLime and UNLP. Are they more stable? | |
15:49 | wizzyrea | they don't have packages. |
15:49 | narcisgarcia | Yes, this is the reason for why I selected first the "community" flavour. |
15:50 | wizzyrea | we can't help you with the other flavors. |
15:51 | narcisgarcia | Well I'll do a new try (fresh installation again) to make a simple Koha setup. |
15:51 | Will I can do --create-db with an already existing MySQL empty database? | |
15:52 | wizzyrea | sure |
15:52 | just let koha do the work for you | |
15:53 | narcisgarcia | And the syntax will be: |
15:53 | sudo koha-create --create-db myinstance | |
15:53 | OR: | |
15:54 | sudo koha-create --create-db mydatabase myinstance | |
15:54 | ? | |
15:55 | magnuse | sudo koha-create --create-db myinstance |
15:55 | koha-create will decide the name of the database for you | |
15:55 | narcisgarcia | This may be my additional mistake. |
15:56 | Well, I will create a database previously in MySQL, then I need Koha uses the existing database. Do will Koha select the database name fom /etc/koha/passwd ? | |
15:57 | magnuse | i think that is how it is supposed to work, but i never tried it |
15:57 | just use "sudo koha-create --create-db myinstance" and don't worry about creating the database yourself .-) | |
16:00 | narcisgarcia | Now I've tried this: |
16:00 | (once created /etc/koha/passwd) | |
16:00 | $ sudo koha-create --use-db myinstance | |
16:00 | Enabling site myinstance. | |
16:00 | Run '/etc/init.d/apache2 reload' to activate new configuration! | |
16:00 | Restarting web server: apache2 ... waiting . | |
16:00 | Starting Zebra server for myinstance | |
16:00 | # No error. | |
16:01 | magnuse | looks promising |
16:01 | narcisgarcia | Now I visit the admin web interface and: |
16:01 | "Welcome to the Koha Web Installer" | |
16:01 | magnuse | yay! |
16:01 | wizzyrea | see, trust in koha. |
16:01 | narcisgarcia | But not trust in documentation! |
16:02 | wizzyrea | the docs say to do what we told you |
16:02 | narcisgarcia | Good for community Koha |
16:02 | But now I can't remove my previous instance | |
16:03 | Now I have an instance called "myinstance" (working) and another called "mydatabase" (bad) | |
16:04 | The username and password for the web installer, must be the same as for MySQL? | |
16:04 | (/etc/koha/passwd) | |
16:04 | magnuse | narcisgarcia: yup |
16:05 | narcisgarcia | "You are about to install Koha. |
16:05 | Please pick your language from the following list. If your language is not listed, please inform your systems administrator." | |
16:05 | (only "en" to select) | |
16:05 | wizzyrea | translations? |
16:06 | translation? | |
16:06 | wahanui | translation is done through the pref files |
16:06 | narcisgarcia | Does this affect only installation process, or also the future interface? |
16:06 | wizzyrea | not helpful, wahanui. |
16:06 | wahanui | wizzyrea: sorry... |
16:06 | slef | narcisgarcia: is there a step 1.2 in the INSTALL text file I think? |
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16:06 | narcisgarcia | I was following http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze |
16:07 | slef | oh well good luck to you |
16:07 | narcisgarcia | Bad begin? |
16:08 | wizzyrea | nope, it just doesn't cover translations |
16:08 | kf - about? | |
16:08 | slef | let me get the lines from the 3.8.0 INSTALL file |
16:09 | magnuse | how to add more languages should be added to http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
16:09 | slef | 1.2. Optional foreign language installation: |
16:09 | If you would like more languages and not only English, | |
16:09 | cd misc/translator | |
16:09 | perl translate install fr-FR # or use your preferred language codes | |
16:09 | wizzyrea | on a totally unrelated note: what do you all think of these minor changes? |
16:09 | http://screencast.com/t/IJ8QRB0IHyRy | |
16:09 | to the 3.8 ui | |
16:10 | slef | I suspect that's "cd /usr/share/koha/misc/translator" on the debian packaged system |
16:10 | but I have not tested it | |
16:10 | wizzyrea | (in 3.8 right now, those are white + ugly) |
16:10 | magnuse | narcisgarcia: you will need to do "cd /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/" then "perl translate install fr-FR" (replacing fr-FR with the language you want) before you proceed with the web installer |
16:11 | wizzyrea | magnuse++ slef++ |
16:11 | narcisgarcia | Will this be useful for user interfaces? |
16:11 | wizzyrea | yes. |
16:11 | magnuse | yep, it will make the userinterfaces available inthe languages you choose to tinstall |
16:11 | slef | wizzyrea: white? |
16:11 | narcisgarcia | Then, I can repeat the perl command for each language I want to be available, right? |
16:11 | magnuse | yup |
16:12 | slef | narcisgarcia: or just list all the language codes on the line, I think |
16:12 | perl translate install fr-FR en-GB ... | |
16:12 | wizzyrea | the area behind "Edit" is white |
16:12 | narcisgarcia | Each user will can select its preferred language sharing the same instance with others, right? |
16:12 | wizzyrea | the area behind the upload button in white. |
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16:12 | wizzyrea | nm. |
16:13 | slef | wizzyrea: And you want to make it blue? (I think?) |
16:13 | magnuse | narcisgarcia: yep |
16:13 | wizzyrea | yea |
16:13 | to match the rest of the UI | |
16:13 | narcisgarcia | Oh, good. |
16:13 | slef | wizzyrea: Do we use blue backgrounds anywhere else in koha? |
16:13 | wizzyrea | yes, everywhere in 3.8 |
16:13 | slef | wizzyrea: And why do we have so many Edit links anyway? |
16:13 | * wizzyrea | wasn't going to go near that question |
16:13 | slef | oh why isn't my 3.8 blue? |
16:13 | wizzyrea | (but it's so you can edit each section independently) |
16:14 | hm, not sure? | |
16:14 | slef | Have I offended the colour gods? |
16:14 | narcisgarcia | $ cd /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/ |
16:14 | wizzyrea | hehe |
16:14 | narcisgarcia | sudo perl translate install fr-FR |
16:14 | magnuse | slef: Ctrl-Shift+R? |
16:14 | narcisgarcia | Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at LangInstaller.pm line 23. |
16:14 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at LangInstaller.pm line 23. | |
16:14 | Compilation failed in require at translate line 25. | |
16:14 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at translate line 25. | |
16:14 | wizzyrea | yea, it was one of the very last things to go into 3.8 |
16:14 | magnuse | narcisgarcia: you need to set some variables, one moment |
16:14 | slef | hrm I'm probably stuck up a branch somewhere |
16:15 | magnuse | slef: just don't saw it off |
16:15 | slef | magnuse: huh? aieeee! |
16:15 | wizzyrea | actually, the way mine looks right now is because of the patches I've submitted on bug 7998 |
16:15 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7998 minor, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Needs Signoff , 3.8 UI cleanup, tweaks to new styles |
16:15 | narcisgarcia | Oohh, documentation! (I'm slowly writing in the wiki what I'm learning now) |
16:15 | slef | narcisgarcia: at a guess: export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha |
16:16 | narcisgarcia: then rerun the perl command | |
16:16 | wizzyrea | (but all of that is documented in the install files already) |
16:16 | narcisgarcia | $ export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha |
16:16 | $ sudo perl translate install fr-FR | |
16:16 | Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at LangInstaller.pm line 23. | |
16:16 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at LangInstaller.pm line 23. | |
16:16 | Compilation failed in require at translate line 25. | |
16:16 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at translate line 25. | |
16:16 | magnuse | narcisgarcia: i think this hould do it: |
16:17 | slef | bah, I'll stop guessing because I've not time to do this properly |
16:17 | magnuse | export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/; export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/<instancename>/koha-conf.xml |
16:17 | wizzyrea | you don't need to sudo |
16:17 | slef | replacing <instancename> with main or whatever |
16:17 | wizzyrea | at least I don't think. |
16:17 | narcisgarcia | Tried. Same error. |
16:17 | slef | wizzyrea: yes, you do, it's writing files in /usr (also evil bad and wrong) |
16:17 | wizzyrea | then the reason he's having trouble is because the environment isn't being carried over to the sudo. |
16:18 | slef | oh yeah |
16:18 | sudo -e perl ... | |
16:18 | from memory | |
16:18 | narcisgarcia | Ok, I can try in a root session |
16:18 | wizzyrea | you will need to rerun your exports as root before you try. |
16:18 | slef | sudo env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/<instancename>/koha-conf.xml perl translate fr-FR |
16:18 | that's "easiest" | |
16:19 | narcisgarcia | $ sudo su |
16:19 | $ env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/<instancename>/koha-conf.xml perl translate fr-FR | |
16:19 | $ sudo perl translate install fr-FR | |
16:19 | Works. | |
16:20 | magnuse | hm, guess i never actually tried that either... |
16:22 | narcisgarcia | Where are listed the available languages to build? |
16:23 | magnuse | http://translate.koha-community.org/ |
16:23 | jcamins_away | magnuse: what options? |
16:24 | narcisgarcia | And are they in some file or directory to automate the process repeating the perl command? |
16:24 | magnuse | jcamins_away: --use-db to koha-create, but i think we figured it out - or narcisgarcia did :-) |
16:24 | narcisgarcia | (I want to build all languages) |
16:24 | jcamins | Ah, yeah, those are some pretty great features. :) |
16:24 | kyleh: around? | |
16:25 | magnuse | according to "perldoc translate" you can just run "perl translate install" to build them all - but i never tried that! |
16:25 | kyleh | jcamins: indeed, what's up? |
16:25 | jcamins | I was wondering how you tested bug 7933. |
16:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7933 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED WORKSFORME, Fields in marc display not the same |
16:25 | magnuse | jcamins: sure, must spring from the mind of a great wizzard :-) |
16:26 | narcisgarcia | Tried: |
16:26 | $ sudo env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblio/koha-conf.xml perl translate install | |
16:26 | But no reaction (no buld, no error) | |
16:26 | magnuse | narcisgarcia: did it finnish? |
16:26 | narcisgarcia | No message. No delay. |
16:27 | magnuse | weird, maybe the doc is out od sunc with reality... |
16:27 | kyleh | jcamins: I looked at a record in labeled and plain view, and changed to the fast add framework and looked at it again. The second time it only showed the fields for the FA framework for both. Talked to nengard about it, and she said that the main point was that both should always show the same fields, and it appears to be doing so in master now. |
16:27 | magnuse | oh my, i gotta run! see y'all later! |
16:28 | jcamins | kyleh: cool. Plain view never obeyed the frameworks before. |
16:29 | narcisgarcia | Then, $ ls -1 /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/ |
16:29 | $ ls -1 /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/ | |
16:29 | atomicupdate | |
16:29 | wahanui | atomicupdate is anotherway to update the database, you just link the atomic update to the updatedatabase.pl at final merge. |
16:29 | narcisgarcia | backfill_statistics.pl |
16:29 | de-DE | |
16:29 | en | |
16:29 | es-ES | |
16:29 | fr-FR | |
16:29 | it-IT | |
16:29 | kohastructure.sql | |
16:29 | labels_upgrade.pl | |
16:29 | nb-NO | |
16:29 | patroncards_upgrade.pl | |
16:29 | pl-PL | |
16:29 | ru-RU | |
16:29 | sample_only_param_tables.sql | |
16:29 | jcamins | (I didn't try again, I was just wondering if there was some trick to make it work) |
16:29 | narcisgarcia | sysprefs.sql |
16:29 | wahanui | rumour has it sysprefs.sql is new for me lol |
16:29 | narcisgarcia | uk-UA |
16:29 | update22to30.pl | |
16:29 | updatedatabase.pl | |
16:30 | $ ls -1 /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/ | grep -ie "pref.po" | |
16:30 | am-Ethi-pref.po | |
16:30 | ar-Arab-pref.po | |
16:30 | az-AZ-pref.po | |
16:30 | ben-pref.po | |
16:30 | bg-Cyrl-pref.po | |
16:30 | ca-VA-pref.po | |
16:30 | cs-CZ-pref.po | |
16:30 | da-DK-pref.po | |
16:30 | de-DE-pref.po | |
16:30 | el-GR-pref.po | |
16:30 | wizzyrea | uh, please stop doing that |
16:30 | narcisgarcia | en-GB-pref.po |
16:30 | en-NZ-pref.po | |
16:30 | es-ES-pref.po | |
16:31 | eu-pref.po | |
16:31 | fa-Arab-pref.po | |
16:31 | fi-FI-pref.po | |
16:31 | fr-CA-pref.po | |
16:31 | fr-FR-pref.po | |
16:31 | gl-pref.po | |
16:31 | he-Hebr-pref.po | |
16:31 | narcisgarcia was kicked by wizzyrea: narcisgarcia | |
16:31 | wizzyrea | sorry, will explain when he comes back. |
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16:31 | wizzyrea | hi |
16:31 | narcisgarcia | mr-pref.po |
16:31 | wizzyrea | sorry |
16:31 | narcisgarcia | ms-MY-pref.po |
16:31 | wizzyrea | no, please don't do that |
16:31 | narcisgarcia | nb-NO-pref.po |
16:31 | ne-NE-pref.po | |
16:31 | narcisgarcia was kicked by wizzyrea: narcisgarcia | |
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16:32 | narcisgarcia | pbr-pref.po |
16:32 | pl-PL-pref.po | |
16:32 | prs-pref.po | |
16:32 | pt-BR-pref.po | |
16:32 | pt-PT-pref.po | |
16:32 | ro-RO-pref.po | |
16:32 | ru-RU-pref.po | |
16:32 | sd-PK-pref.po | |
16:32 | sk-SK-pref.po | |
16:32 | sl-SI-pref.po | |
16:32 | sq-AL-pref.po | |
16:32 | sr-Cyrl-pref.po | |
16:32 | sv-SE-pref.po | |
16:32 | ta-LK-pref.po | |
16:32 | tet-pref.po | |
16:32 | th-THA-pref.po | |
16:32 | wizzyrea | narcisgarcia: I'm going to have to ban you |
16:32 | narcisgarcia | tl-PH-pref.po |
16:32 | tr-TR-pref.po | |
16:32 | uk-UA-pref.po | |
16:32 | ur-Arab-pref.po | |
16:32 | vi-VN-pref.po | |
16:32 | zh-Hans-CN-pref.po | |
16:32 | zh-Hans-TW-pref.po | |
16:32 | I may have found the languages available: in /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/ | |
16:32 | Hey, was a mistake! | |
16:32 | What happens now? | |
16:32 | jcamins | narcisgarcia: DO NOT RUN ls again. |
16:32 | narcisgarcia | I'm sorry |
16:33 | wizzyrea | we have a tool for that :) |
16:33 | paste.koha-community.org | |
16:33 | jcamins | Okay, now we've caught you. :) |
16:33 | narcisgarcia | Ok, learnt. |
16:33 | wizzyrea | thanks :) |
16:33 | * wizzyrea | doesn't often at all exercise kick powers. |
16:33 | jcamins | I don't know much about translations, but I think maybe the problem is that you need to remove "env" from your command line. |
16:34 | wizzyrea | no, he has to have that to sudo install the translations |
16:34 | narcisgarcia | You have the kick button very easy to shot. |
16:34 | wizzyrea | we don't often have people ls -ing in channel ;) |
16:34 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I think sudo has a different way of specifying environment variables. |
16:35 | I was tripped up by that. | |
16:35 | narcisgarcia | I've tried with the fr-FR and works. |
16:35 | wizzyrea | right, he wants to install *all* of the translations. |
16:35 | at once. | |
16:35 | narcisgarcia | $ sudo env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblio/koha-conf.xml perl translate install fr-FR |
16:35 | wizzyrea | do you happen to know how to do that? |
16:35 | jcamins? | |
16:35 | wahanui | jcamins is, like, an outstanding cook, well-traveled and brilliant, trying to think of a solution, or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra |
16:35 | wizzyrea | keke |
16:36 | jcamins | Oh, sorry, didn't understand the problem. |
16:36 | * jcamins | was tripped up by env just the other day. |
16:37 | jcamins | translate -a is supposed to do it. |
16:37 | translate -a install | |
16:37 | wizzyrea | sudo env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblio/koha-conf.xml perl translate -a install |
16:37 | might do it | |
16:37 | narcisgarcia | Langs="$(ls -1 /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/ | grep -ie "pref.po" | sed -e "s/-pref\.po//g")" |
16:38 | wizzyrea | or you can just try -a |
16:38 | narcisgarcia | Yes, yes, the las wizzyrea command works. All the languages are being translated. |
16:39 | wizzyrea | woo! |
16:40 | narcisgarcia | But I thing it's a break: |
16:40 | Copying /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en/js/tags.js... | |
16:40 | The install seems to be successful. | |
16:40 | Install templates 'intranet | |
16:40 | From: /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/ | |
16:40 | To : /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en-USACADEMIC | |
16:40 | With: /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/en-USACADEMIC-i-staff-t-prog-v-3006000.po | |
16:40 | Warning: Can't determine original templates' charset, defaulting to UTF-8 | |
16:40 | Warning: Charset Out defaulting to UTF-8 | |
16:40 | /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/en-USACADEMIC-i-staff-t-prog-v-3006000.po: El fitxer o directori no existeix | |
16:40 | Koha directories hierarchy for en-USACADEMIC must be created first | |
16:40 | wizzyrea | paste.koha-community.org |
16:40 | narcisgarcia | (El fitxer o directori no existeix = The file or directory doesn't exist) |
16:40 | For a too short text? | |
16:40 | wizzyrea | yes please. |
16:40 | narcisgarcia | Ok. |
16:41 | jcamins | narcisgarcia: as a general rule, use paste.koha-community.org for anything more than one or two lines. |
16:41 | Does it keep going after that error? | |
16:41 | pastebot | "narcisgarcia" at 87.111.32.12 pasted "sudo env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblio/koha-conf.xml perl translate -a install" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/362 |
16:41 | wizzyrea | plus so much easier to read in paste |
16:42 | jcamins | Much, much easier. |
16:42 | narcisgarcia | After these lines, is ended. |
16:42 | * wizzyrea | wonders about the en-usacademic translation. |
16:42 | wizzyrea | did it do stuff before that? |
16:43 | jcamins | What on earth is USACADEMIC? |
16:43 | wizzyrea | one of the translations I'd reckon |
16:43 | kf | I don't think that exists really |
16:43 | wizzyrea | ^^ is probably the problem. |
16:43 | kf | and if it does it's probably outdated |
16:43 | jcamins | It's very outdated. |
16:44 | wizzyrea | it's not listed on translate.k-c.org |
16:44 | jcamins | That question was really "why on earth is there an en-USACADEMIC translation in the repository? |
16:44 | kf | I probably should know... but I don't know :) |
16:45 | jcamins | You know, someone should run translate -a and report bugs for everything that doesn't work. |
16:45 | wizzyrea | so does it stop installing translations after this one or ... |
16:45 | bugs? | |
16:45 | wahanui | bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too. |
16:45 | narcisgarcia | The follofing command may be better to know which languages are available and have not a break like this: |
16:45 | $ Langs="$(ls -1 /usr/share/koha/misc/translator/po/ | grep -ie "pref.po" | sed -e "s/-pref\.po//g")" | |
16:45 | Then perform a command like: | |
16:45 | wizzyrea | no, fixing the problem is better. |
16:46 | kf | I have not seen all |
16:46 | wizzyrea | but for your immediate problem, yes, that might be better. |
16:46 | kf | but could running the translation command as root be the problem? |
16:46 | narcisgarcia | $ for Current in $Langs ; do sudo env PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/sites/biblio/koha-conf.xml perl translate install $Current ; done |
16:46 | kf | I never do that |
16:46 | always as my koha user | |
16:46 | so the templates belong to my koha user... as all ohter files do | |
16:46 | wizzyrea | I don't think so, for the packages it has to write in /usr/share/koha |
16:46 | jcamins | kf: not for package/standard installs. |
16:46 | kf | ah |
16:46 | ok, never installed translations for the packages :) | |
16:46 | so I can go home now, right? :) | |
16:46 | jcamins | I need to do a package with all the translations. |
16:46 | kf: yes you may. :) | |
16:47 | wizzyrea | yes, shoo. |
16:47 | kf | :) |
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16:48 | jcamins | Okay, there's an issue with the Turkish translation. |
16:58 | narcisgarcia | I've documented site creation and language building in the wiki. |
16:59 | wizzyrea | ok thanks |
17:00 | there's an entire manual available from www.koha-community.org | |
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17:13 | narcisgarcia | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
17:18 | jcamins | kyleh: I figured out the point of confusion. The issue isn't changing *frameworks*, it's changing the hidden value on a particular framework. |
17:18 | When you change frameworks, all the fields not in a particular framework are summarily deleted, I think. | |
17:19 | kyleh | jcamins: i see, go ahead and reopen the bug then, and I'll have a crack at it. |
17:19 | jcamins | kyleh: I did. :) |
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17:23 | narcisgarcia | In the web site: |
17:23 | http://koha-community.org/documentation/ | |
17:23 | Laks of the translated manuals: | |
17:23 | http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/ | |
17:23 | jcamins | kyleh: it'll be a challenge to fix, I suspect. |
17:24 | kyleh | jcamins: I have the suspicion that you are right. only one way to find out... |
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17:27 | cait | hi #koha |
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17:39 | narcisgarcia | The installation web wizard asks for optional components, and I don't find any documentation about them. |
17:40 | cait | the documentation is on the page |
17:40 | it's about the sample data? | |
17:44 | narcisgarcia | Selecting Default Settings - MARC Frameworks: MARC21 |
17:44 | Optional: | |
17:44 | Selected matching rules for MARC 21 bibliographic records, including... | |
17:44 | slef | trying to move across home... let's see if I crash... |
17:45 | narcisgarcia | 'FA', a 'Fast Add' minimal MARC21 framework suitable for... |
17:45 | cait | slef: no crashing- we have a meeting! |
17:45 | yep | |
17:45 | optional = not strictly needed by koha | |
17:45 | but someof those are nice to have | |
17:45 | narcisgarcia | Simple MARC 21 bibliographic frameworks for... |
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17:46 | narcisgarcia | But I may need it, and I want to know for example the implies of "matching rules" |
17:46 | And I don't want to select options that could complicate the administration or the use. | |
17:46 | (without a special sense for us) | |
17:47 | cait | i would get the sample rules |
17:47 | they are good to see how things work | |
17:47 | jcamins | narcisgarcia: if you want to understand what the system does, reading through the manual is a good idea. |
17:47 | cait | it's to match data together, like when you import data |
17:49 | narcisgarcia | Then, if I select matching rules for MARC21, we can import right the mentioned ISBN for example. |
17:49 | slef | cait: I survived! |
17:49 | cait | well done! |
17:49 | jcamins | narcisgarcia: you can make sure that you don't have duplicate records. |
17:50 | That is all. | |
17:50 | slef | (really should buy a new laptop battery) |
17:50 | cait | slef: and we have even some time left to negotiate who gets to wear the jasper head tonight |
17:50 | narcisgarcia | Ok, good for us that cannot duplicate ISBN records. |
17:50 | jcamins | cait: jester. :) |
17:50 | cait | oh |
17:50 | right | |
17:50 | it looked kinda wrong... | |
17:51 | jcamins | :) |
17:53 | cait | jcamins: are you at chester's today? |
17:53 | jcamins | cait: I am indeed. |
17:53 | He came over to say hi briefly, but left a while ago. | |
17:53 | cait | give im my greetings ;) |
17:53 | ooh | |
17:53 | jcamins | Apparently I'm boring today. :/ |
17:54 | narcisgarcia | Ok, I selected everything except "Sample holidays" and the last US libraries. |
17:55 | slef | jasper is an orange cat, no? |
17:56 | did my email to the main koha list about the meeting go out? I don't remember seeing it. | |
17:56 | cait | you might want to leave out the libraries and borrowers - if you want to start configuring your own |
17:56 | jcamins | slef: You're thinking of Chester. |
17:56 | cait | hmmm |
17:56 | jcamins | Who is blue. |
17:56 | cait | I only saw you rmail to the volunteer's list I think |
17:56 | jcamins | slef: I wouldn't recommend wearing a cat on your head. |
17:57 | slef | damn I wonder what happened to the main list email. I'll look for it later? |
17:57 | jcamins: scratchy but good! | |
17:57 | cait | trend setting :) |
17:59 | slef: have you heard from Brooke lately? | |
18:00 | slef | cait: a little. |
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18:00 | cait | ah ok |
18:01 | slef | ok, would anyone else like to chair the meeting? There are four topics as far as I know: Introductions, Roadmap to KohaCon12, Paper reviews, Next Meeting |
18:01 | cait | I tihnk I haven't seen her in a while |
18:01 | if you tell me how, I can tr | |
18:01 | y | |
18:01 | slef | no, not on IRC much. Seems busy. |
18:01 | jcamins | Busy? |
18:01 | Huh. | |
18:01 | I was sure wahanui would have something to say about that. | |
18:01 | slef | cait: watch me this time. You get it next week? |
18:02 | cait | i can do it |
18:02 | only forget how to stat :) | |
18:02 | slef | ok #startmeeting |
18:02 | wahanui | if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
18:02 | cait | #startmeeting |
18:02 | wahanui | if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
18:02 | cait | \startmeeting |
18:02 | lol | |
18:02 | thd | can we teach wahanui to chair meetings? |
18:02 | cait | ok, try again :) |
18:02 | slef | where's huginn? |
18:02 | wahanui | i heard huginn was a bot too veera, not a person |
18:03 | cait | hm |
18:03 | slef | [18:25]*** huginn (~supybotwww.librarypolice.com) has quit: Read error: Connection reset by peer |
18:03 | cait | gmcharlt? around? |
18:03 | slef | gmcharlt: help! |
18:03 | jcamins | gmcharlt: around? |
18:03 | cait | lol |
18:03 | thd | :0 |
18:03 | jcamins | Or, as slef might put it... |
18:03 | slef | Galen Charlton <-> Offline |
18:04 | jcamins | gmcharlt: oy! I want a word witchu! |
18:04 | slef | "bugger!" |
18:04 | * slef | switches TV shows |
18:04 | cait | ok |
18:04 | no meetinbot | |
18:04 | we are lost! | |
18:04 | slef | (the Fast Show, known in the US as Brilliant!) |
18:04 | * slef | looks at the wiki |
18:04 | slef | wahanui: bots? |
18:04 | wahanui | bots are listed at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars |
18:04 | narcisgarcia | Is there a downloadable version of the manuals? |
18:05 | thd | I think that meetings worked reasonably well in the past before any meeting bots. |
18:05 | slef | yeah but it's nice having the features. Oh well I'll give gmcharlt a log later and see if huginn can be force-fed |
18:05 | thd | :) |
18:06 | cait | yes |
18:06 | let's pretend he is here | |
18:06 | will make it easier to generate minutes manually too | |
18:06 | slef | wahanui: sysadmins? |
18:06 | wahanui | slef: i haven't a clue |
18:06 | thd | Automation is always nice, especially if it can be force fed. |
18:06 | slef | wahanui: sysadmins is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]te_Administration |
18:06 | wahanui | OK, slef. |
18:06 | cait | #topic volunteer's meeting - please introduce yourself with #info |
18:07 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
18:07 | cait | #topic introductions |
18:07 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
18:07 | slef | #info MJ Ray, software.coop, England |
18:07 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
18:07 | jwagner | #info Jane Wagner, Liblime/PTFS |
18:08 | narcisgarcia | I'm configuring opaclanguagesdisplay (Allow patrons to change the language they see on the OPAC) and I need to know who are "patrons" |
18:08 | cait | narcisgarcia: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Newbie_guide |
18:08 | ok, first topic | |
18:09 | #topic Roadmap to KohaCon12 | |
18:09 | slef, do you want to start and give us a short update? | |
18:09 | slef | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]aCon12_Volunteers |
18:09 | has updated amounts - thanks to the new sponsors. | |
18:09 | cait made a great start on a timetable for the hackfest on | |
18:10 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ohaCon12_Schedule | |
18:10 | which I've shamelessly stolen for the main conference too. | |
18:10 | cait | you are welcome |
18:10 | how are the finances? working out? | |
18:10 | slef | There was a rush of papers on deadline day, so there are about a dozen needing review. |
18:11 | it's still a bit close | |
18:11 | we'll mailshot sponsors as soon as volunteer time allows | |
18:12 | At the venue, I think we're making progress on signs, but more to do. | |
18:12 | libsysguy | does this look good |
18:12 | delete biblio, biblioitem, item from biblio join biblioitem on biblio.biblionumber = biblioitem.biblionumber join items on biblio.biblionumber = items.biblionumber where biblionumber = ? | |
18:12 | slef | On the fishing trip, I don't think we've had any interest. |
18:12 | narcisgarcia | Thanks |
18:13 | slef | Sadly mle_ is ill so I'm a bit limited. |
18:13 | thd | libsysguy: It would look better after the KohaCon 2012 meeting. |
18:13 | libsysguy | shoot didn't even see that |
18:13 | cait | slef: oh :( |
18:13 | * libsysguy | steps out |
18:13 | slef | I think we're at 40 registrations and I expect a flurry once we announce some talks. |
18:14 | cait | 40 is good |
18:14 | slef | Anything else? |
18:14 | narcisgarcia | As I read in the spanish translation, as "branch" Koha refers to a physical library, right? |
18:14 | jcamins | narcisgarcia: there is a meeting going on right now. You should save your questions for after it's finished. |
18:14 | cait | #info about 40 registrations - awaiting flurry when program is announced |
18:15 | slef: nothing from me | |
18:15 | narcisgarcia | Ok. |
18:15 | thd | A few fish frolic more freely for now. |
18:15 | cait | moving on to next topic? |
18:16 | slef | ok |
18:16 | cait | #topic Paper review |
18:16 | slef | OK, there's a dozen or so papers waiting for review |
18:16 | I'd like to paste each title and abstract here, and get opinions. Would that be OK? | |
18:17 | cait | hm perhaps better paste? |
18:17 | abstracts might be cut off | |
18:17 | slef | I think my client will handle it |
18:17 | jcamins | cait: better to paste direct so it goes in the minutes? |
18:17 | cait | ok |
18:17 | * jcamins | doesn't know, that was a question. |
18:18 | cait | slef, start :) |
18:18 | jwagner | if huginn isn't here, we aren't getting auto minutes, right? Pastebin link might be quicker |
18:18 | thd | What about posting them in some http accessible location? |
18:18 | cait | jwagner: we will try to create minutes |
18:18 | thd | jwagner++ |
18:18 | cait | and there are always the normal irc logs |
18:18 | slef | it'll be easier for me to paste them here, but I'll do whatever |
18:19 | jwagner | I'd vote for pastebin -- easier to read |
18:19 | thd | Are the normal logs running? |
18:19 | slef | thd: yes, logbot is here |
18:19 | wahanui | i already had it that way, slef. |
18:19 | cait | thd: yes, that's logbot |
18:19 | slef | ok give me a mo to format these and copy to pastebin |
18:20 | thd | Yes, I see. I had remembered how often logbot had disappeared or failed in the past. |
18:22 | cait | perhaps while slef pastes |
18:22 | any ideas how to schedule them later on? | |
18:22 | grouping by topic? audience? | |
18:23 | pastebot | "slef" at 82.132.242.225 pasted "KohaCon12 presentations for review" (269 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/363 |
18:23 | jwagner | Is there one basic track, or simultaneous tracks? |
18:23 | slef | one track |
18:23 | cait | one track |
18:23 | thd | Do we assume that we have no need for concurrent presentations in different rooms? |
18:23 | Exactly, what jwagner wrote. | |
18:24 | slef | we don't have a venue that lends itself to that |
18:24 | ok, for each paper: | |
18:24 | need to decide: | |
18:24 | cait | and not enough papers I think |
18:25 | slef | A. Accept it? Y/N; B. Hi/Medium/Low priority? C. Changes to request, if any? D. Developer or Librarian audience? |
18:26 | so first paper, 10 Data Migration Heuristics, what do you think? | |
18:27 | cait | A: yes, B: medium C: no changes d: not sure, but think intended for libraries |
18:28 | slef | A. yes; B. Medium; C. No; D. mixed AFAICT |
18:28 | any more or move on? | |
18:28 | Oak | good night my hearties. almost midnight here. |
18:29 | jwagner | I'd say move on |
18:29 | slef | thd, jcamins? |
18:29 | jcamins | A: yes; B: Medium; C: no changes; D. librarians? |
18:29 | * jcamins | didn't realize he was supposed to be answering. |
18:30 | cait | I have a question about the next one right away |
18:30 | is it the same or another speaker than: | |
18:30 | Implementation of Koha in Geo-Scientific Information Management 20mins pbosire med/lib | |
18:30 | ? | |
18:30 | slef | jcamins: I'll take any reviews I can get and sort out disagreements later |
18:30 | cait: checking... | |
18:30 | thd | ['A', 'B'->'high', 'C'-> 'unknown' , 'D'->'both'] |
18:30 | cait | thd: for data heuristics? |
18:31 | slef | cait: yes. There are multiple attendees from that place though, so not all geotech talks are him! |
18:31 | jwagner | Good catch, cait -- thought that looked familiar |
18:31 | cait | I think one is implementation, one is use |
18:31 | thd | $dataHeuristics = ['A'->'Y', 'B'->'high', 'C'-> 'unknown' , 'D'->'both'] |
18:31 | cait | but if we want both, should schedule accordingly? |
18:31 | jwagner | If they're from the same site, maybe do a combined paper? |
18:32 | cait | it's a total of 45 minutes then + discussion |
18:32 | we could request that perhaps | |
18:32 | slef | ok, so reviews for $utilization? |
18:32 | jcamins | They seem to have four papers? |
18:32 | slef | jcamins: checking |
18:33 | cait | jcamins: what are the other 2? |
18:33 | jcamins | RECORDS CLERK |
18:33 | slef | jcamins: Implementation..., Utilization..., Records Clerk, Koha The Way to Go |
18:33 | thd | $geo-sci = ['A'->'Y', 'B'->'low', 'C'-> 'unknown' , 'D'->'unknown'] |
18:33 | jcamins | And KOHA, THE WAY TO GO... |
18:33 | slef | and USING KOHA TO IMPROVE SERVICE DELIVERY... |
18:34 | cait | ok |
18:34 | I think we should sort that out a bit | |
18:34 | 4 presentations from the same place is a bit much? | |
18:34 | jcamins | I think one combined talk would probably be best. |
18:35 | Or two, if they have different audiences in mind. | |
18:35 | But there would by necessity be a lot of duplication. | |
18:35 | slef | $geo-sci = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ]; |
18:35 | cait | perhaps we could set a time frame and ask for a submission for that time? |
18:35 | thd | If there is a shortage of papers to fill the time, why would several papers from one party be a problem? |
18:35 | slef | also I've no idea what a PB-O-GDC licence is ;-) |
18:36 | cait | slef: wondered about that too! |
18:36 | $geo-sci = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ]; | |
18:36 | :) | |
18:36 | jcamins | Peanut Butter Or GNU Documentation License. |
18:36 | $geo-sci = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ]; | |
18:36 | slef | jcamins: Or or On? |
18:36 | jcamins | Oh. |
18:36 | On. | |
18:36 | :) | |
18:37 | cait | sounds yummy |
18:37 | jcamins | And it's GDC and GDL. |
18:37 | slef | $multiNationalSpecial ? |
18:37 | jcamins | Okay, no idea. |
18:37 | cait | $geo-sci = [ A => Y, B => high (serials), C => no, D => Librarians ]; |
18:37 | args | |
18:37 | $multinationalSpecial = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ]; | |
18:37 | sorry | |
18:38 | thd | Peanut butter license, yaay |
18:38 | cait | lol |
18:38 | slef | $multiNationalSpecial = [ A => Y, B => Hi, C => No, D => Librarians ]; |
18:38 | cait | now I messed it up totally |
18:38 | slef | cait: vote early, vote often! |
18:38 | cait | last time: $multiNationalSpecial = [ A => Y, B => high (serials), C => no, D => Librarians ]; |
18:38 | that | |
18:39 | jcamins | $multinationalSpecial = [ A => Y, B => medium-high, C => None, D => librarians ] |
18:39 | cait | thd? :) |
18:39 | slef | yeah come on thd, you started us all writing []s and so on... |
18:40 | thd | $multinationSpeial = ['A'->'Y', 'B'->'medium', 'C'-> 'unknown' , 'D'->'librarian'] |
18:40 | slef | $kohaAndSRU ? |
18:40 | cait | $kohaAndSRU = [ A => Y, B => medium, C => no, D => mixed ]; |
18:41 | slef | $kohaAndSRU = [ A => Y, B => medium, C => 'drop other ideas for now', D => developers ]; |
18:41 | thd | $kohaAndSRU = ['A'->'Y', 'B'->'high', 'C'-> 'unknown' , 'D'->'both'] |
18:41 | jcamins | $kohaAndSRU = [ 'A'=>Y, 'B'=>low, C=>emphasize practical applications, D=>mixed ] |
18:41 | slef | $improvedGovernance ? |
18:41 | cait | reading |
18:42 | slef | oh it's Bob Birchall I think... if that helps you remember kohacon10 |
18:42 | cait | I do remember - happy memories |
18:42 | jcamins | improvedGovernance = [A=>Y, B=>high, C=>none, D=>everyone] |
18:42 | cait | $improvedGovernance = [ A => Y, B => high, C => no, D => everyone ]; |
18:43 | slef | $improvedGovernance = [ A => Y, B => medium, C => probably-no, D => mixed ]; |
18:43 | thd | $improvedGovernance = ['A'->'Y', 'B'->'high', 'C'-> 'unknown' , 'D'->'mixed'] |
18:43 | slef | $implementationGeoSci ? |
18:44 | * cait | scrolls up |
18:44 | jcamins | $implementationGeoSci = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ]; |
18:44 | cait | $implementationGeoSci = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ]; |
18:44 | slef | $implementationGeoSci = [ A => Y, B => Medium, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ]; |
18:45 | I actually like the look of that. Long abstract for 20mins again though. | |
18:45 | thd | $implementationGeoSci = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'low', 'C'=> 'unknown' , 'D'=>'unknown'] |
18:45 | slef | $KohaAndDrupal ? |
18:45 | thd | s/->/=>/g |
18:45 | slef | thd: ack, 298 lines changed |
18:46 | $KohaAndDrupal = [ A=>Y, B=>low, C=>no, D=>mixed ]; | |
18:46 | cait | $KohaAndDrupal = [ A => Y, B => high, C => "none", D => Librarians ]; |
18:46 | slef | teehee |
18:46 | cait | hehe |
18:46 | does it get to be medium now? :) | |
18:46 | jcamins | $KohaAndDrupal = [A=>Y,B=>medium,C=>none,D=>both] |
18:47 | slef | I think it's boring to people who don't use drupal, but we'll see what others think. |
18:47 | thd | $KohaAndDrupal = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'medium', 'C'=> 'unknown' , 'D'=>'mixed'] |
18:47 | edveal joined #koha | |
18:47 | slef | so medium it is? |
18:47 | cait | guess so :) |
18:48 | slef | $CommunityOrganisationAndSandboxes ? |
18:48 | cait | $CommunityOrganisationAndSandboxes = [A=>Y,B=>high (want librarians using sandboxes),C=>perhaps concentrate on sandboxes and patch workflow? other talks for community,D=>both] |
18:49 | thd | $CommunityOrganisationAndSandboxes = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'unknown', 'D'=>'mixed'] |
18:50 | slef | and I'm not going to vote on that one, sorry. |
18:50 | jcamins | $COaS = [A=>Y,B=>high,C=>more useful to focus on what non-developers can do?,D=>librarians] |
18:50 | slef | $Koha38New ? |
18:50 | thd | s/]/];/ |
18:51 | cait | $Koha38New = [A=>Y,B=>medium-high ,C=>none,D=>librarians] |
18:51 | slef | $Koha38New = [A=>Y, B=> high, C=> no, D=> librarians ]; |
18:51 | thd | s/\]/\];/ # previous caused syntax error |
18:52 | jcamins | $Koha38New=[A=>Y,B=>medium,C=>none,D=>both] |
18:52 | thd | $Koha38New = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'no', 'D'=>'mixed'] |
18:52 | slef | $styling ? |
18:53 | $styling = [A=> Y, B=> high, C=> no, D=> librarians]; | |
18:53 | cait | $styling = = [A=>Y,B=>medium,C=>no,D=>librarians] |
18:54 | thd | $Koha38New = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'low', 'C'=> 'no', 'D'=>'librarians']; |
18:54 | slef | thd: vote early, vote often! |
18:55 | jcamins | styling=[A=>Y,B=>medium,C=>no,D=>librarians] |
18:55 | slef | $recordsClerk ? |
18:55 | * thd | was still reading the description |
18:55 | jcamins | $recordsClerk = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ]; |
18:55 | cait | wow again |
18:55 | is that number 5? | |
18:55 | slef | yep |
18:55 | chris_n | looks like it was a 'ctl-v' type morning |
18:56 | jcamins | This is four, because number five is later. |
18:56 | slef | chris_n? |
18:56 | wahanui | release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. or late on 3.6.5 |
18:56 | slef | wahanui: I KNOW THAT</kenneth-williams> |
18:56 | wahanui | slef: excuse me? |
18:56 | chris_n | slef: pasting in channel |
18:56 | thd | $recordsClerk = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'medium', 'C'=> 'unknown', 'D'=>'mixed']; |
18:56 | jcamins | chris_n: oh, yeah. |
18:57 | cait | $recordsClerk = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "PLZ combine with others from GDC ", D => Librarians ]; |
18:57 | slef | $recordsClerk = [A=>Y, B=>low, C=>no, D=>librarians]; |
18:57 | $languageCentres ? | |
18:58 | jcamins | languageCentres=[A-Y,B-medium,C-no,D-both?] |
18:58 | slef | $languageCentres = [A=>Y, B=>high, C=>no, D=>mixed]; |
18:58 | cait | $languagecentres = [ A => Y, B => medium-high, C => "noC", D => mixed ]; |
18:59 | thd | $languageCentres = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'medium', 'C'=> 'unknown', 'D'=>'mixed']; |
18:59 | slef | $wayToGo ? |
18:59 | jcamins | $wayToGo = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "Combine with others from GDC", D => Librarians ]; |
18:59 | mle_ | ¬¬ |
18:59 | cait | $wayToGo = [ A => Y, B => Low, C => "combine with others from GDC ", D => Librarians ]; |
19:00 | thd | $wayToGo = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'medium', 'C'=> 'unknown', 'D'=>'librarians']; |
19:01 | slef | $wayToGo = [A=>Y, B=>medium, C=>'unsure maybe combine with others from GDC', D=>librarians]; |
19:02 | $linkingRecords ? | |
19:02 | thd | $linkingRecords = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'unknown', 'D'=>'mixed']; |
19:02 | cait | $linkingRecords = [ A => Y, B => medium, C =>'none', D => Librarians ]; |
19:04 | slef | $linkingRecords = [A=> Y, B=> medium, C=> no, D=> mixed]; |
19:04 | * jcamins | recuses himself because he could not in good conscience vote for a paper by one of the people who might have proposed this, but would definitely vote for a paper by anyone else. |
19:04 | slef | now I wonder who it was by :) |
19:04 | but this is why it's blind | |
19:04 | so vote if you like | |
19:04 | unless they're that scary | |
19:05 | $migrating ? | |
19:05 | $migrating = [ A=> Y, B=> high, C=> no, D=> librarians ]; | |
19:05 | jcamins | $migrating=[A-Y,B-medium-high,C-Try to avoid overlap with the first,D-librarians] |
19:06 | cait | $migrating=[A-Y,B-=>medium, C-Try to avoid overlap with the first,D-librarians] |
19:06 | slef | first being the 10 tips? |
19:06 | thd | $migrating = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'unknown', 'D'=>'mixed']; |
19:06 | slef | $developingCountry ? |
19:06 | cait | slef: migration heuristics |
19:07 | jwagner | Sorry, I was pulled away on a problem, doesn't look like you need me, though.... |
19:07 | slef | cait: yeah that one |
19:07 | wahanui | yeah that one is populated |
19:07 | slef | wahanui: swine! |
19:07 | wahanui | slef: huh? |
19:07 | jcamins | $developingCountries=[A-Y,B-high,C-none,D-both] |
19:07 | slef | $developingCountry = [A=> Y, B=> high, C=> no, D=> both]; |
19:08 | cait | $developingCountry=[A-Y,B-high,C-none,D-both] |
19:08 | thd | $developingCountry = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'no', 'D'=>'mixed']; |
19:08 | slef | $needMoreInfo ? |
19:08 | cait | yay! |
19:08 | we agreed :) | |
19:08 | slef | cait: I believe in miracles... and I think I'll stop there |
19:09 | cait | $needMoreInfo = [A-Y,B-high,C-none,D-librarians] |
19:09 | slef | $needMoreInfo = [ A=> Y, B=> high, C=> maybe-lengthen?, D=> librarians]; |
19:09 | thd | $needMoreInfo = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'unknown', 'D'=>'mixed']; |
19:10 | cait | $needMoreInfo = [ A=> Y, B=> high, C=> maybe-lengthen?, D=> librarians]; |
19:10 | slef | $metadata ? |
19:11 | cait | reading |
19:11 | jcamins | $metadata=[A-Y,B-high,C-none,D-both?] |
19:11 | slef | $metadata = [ A=> Y, B=> medium, C=> source?, D=> developers? ]; |
19:12 | thd | $metadata = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'no', 'D'=>'mixed']; |
19:12 | cait | $metadata = [ A=> Y, B=> high C=> none, D=> both ]; |
19:12 | slef | $makingKohaBetter ? |
19:12 | cait | slef: source? |
19:12 | wahanui | hmmm... source is published you should be able to see it |
19:12 | slef | cait: see wahanui |
19:12 | cait | wahanui: forget source |
19:12 | wahanui | cait: I forgot source |
19:12 | jcamins | cait: it should be provided. |
19:12 | cait | ?? |
19:12 | now I am even more confused | |
19:12 | slef | awww he gives a correct answer and gets brainwashed |
19:13 | poor wahanui! | |
19:13 | cait | isn't that what happens in school too? |
19:13 | cait? | |
19:13 | wahanui | That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :) |
19:13 | cait | hm kf? |
19:13 | wahanui | well, kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert. |
19:13 | jcamins | cait: they talk about scraping scripts, but it's unclear whether the source for the scripts will be shared. |
19:13 | cait | aah |
19:13 | slef | cait: I wonder how much source code is available. The scraping-to-z39.50 is particularly interesting. |
19:13 | $makingKohaBetter ? | |
19:13 | jcamins | I have no idea what this last one is about. |
19:14 | (and I read the abstract) | |
19:14 | cait | I have an idea who that is - so I guess it will be available |
19:14 | thd | $makingKohaBetter = ['A'=>'Y', 'B'=>'high', 'C'=> 'no', 'D'=>'mixed']; |
19:14 | cait | $makingKohaBetter = [ A=> Y, B=> medium, C=> maybe shorten?, ask for better description?, D=> ? ]; |
19:15 | slef | That'll teach me to rush the abstract through at the last minute! And I'm not going to vote on that one, sorry. |
19:15 | ok, that's the queue processed | |
19:15 | I'll just look up who that linking records one is | |
19:15 | tajolicilea | |
19:16 | ok, fuller details will be uploaded to the web soon | |
19:16 | thanks for all your help in that marathon! | |
19:17 | any questions before we move to next and final topic? | |
19:17 | thd | If there may be three presentations by one party, that party should probably not dominate on any one day. |
19:17 | jcamins | thd: even more so with five presentations by the same group! |
19:18 | thd | s/three/multiple/ |
19:18 | cait | thd: I feel 5 from same organisation si really bit much - combining them would be good in my opinion |
19:18 | slef | I'll probably suggest a draft schedule to next meeting, if I can make time next Wednesday |
19:18 | thd | Technical presentations should not dominate any non-developer days. |
19:19 | cait | i will do the same for the hackfest if that's ok |
19:19 | #action slef suggest a draft schedule for conf if he can make time | |
19:19 | #action cait suggest a hackfest schedule to be discussed - perhaps some variatons | |
19:19 | thd | Non-librarian oriented technical discussions may not be the best idea as the first presentation of the day. |
19:20 | cait | I wonder if we should push the more technical ones on the 3rd day |
19:20 | slef | probably a slight bias to that, yes |
19:20 | cait | slef: what's your impression from the registrations - are people staying for both? |
19:20 | slef | but not exclusively... would like to encourage interaction between libs and devs |
19:20 | cait: ooh let me look | |
19:21 | thd | I agree with cait except as slef wrote "not exclusively". |
19:22 | cait | i can agree to that too :) |
19:22 | slef | more at both than not |
19:22 | only one hackfest-only registration so far | |
19:22 | cait | oh? |
19:22 | mine? | |
19:22 | wahanui | well, mine is very good at reminding me of druthb's place on the food chain. |
19:22 | cait | ah, hackfest only |
19:22 | misread | |
19:23 | slef | 11 conference-only |
19:23 | rest are dual | |
19:23 | which is what I'd expect before papers are announced | |
19:23 | cait | i think probably the usual suspects so far? :) |
19:23 | #topic Next Meeting | |
19:23 | slef | no some names I don't recognise |
19:24 | next meeting is next Wednesday, 18:00 UTC | |
19:24 | thd | wahanui: Is druthb in your menu as edible? |
19:24 | cait | #info next meeting is next Wednesday, 18:00 UTC |
19:24 | #endmeeting ? | |
19:24 | :) | |
19:25 | slef | and the prize for most surprising statement of the meeting goes to thd! |
19:25 | cait: yep | |
19:25 | jcamins | lol |
19:25 | slef | thanks everyone... I may be back later if I can |
19:25 | wizzyrea | I can't even begin to understand that statement |
19:26 | cait | bye slef |
19:27 | narcisgarcia | Oh, I hope this meeting has been productive and pleasant. |
19:27 | jcamins | narcisgarcia: I don't know about pleasant, but we survived it. ;) |
19:27 | cait | jcamins: we had longer less productive irc meetings |
19:27 | :) | |
19:28 | jcamins | cait: true. |
19:28 | narcisgarcia | He, he. Would be less pleasant if you didn't survive. |
19:28 | jcamins | lol |
19:28 | True. | |
19:28 | narcisgarcia | Then it has been much productive. |
19:28 | It influences over pleasure. | |
19:29 | I'm still configuring my new Koha installation, and, of course, I've waited for this moment to ask some... | |
19:30 | We have two classifications for item tymes: support and format. | |
19:30 | Support: paper, optical, tape, computer file, etc. | |
19:30 | Format: text, audio, video, drawing, photo, etc. | |
19:31 | Is it possible with Koha to have this separation? | |
19:31 | jcamins | narcisgarcia: that's described in the 008 field if you're using MARC21, and a different field if you're using UNIMARC. |
19:31 | cait | what jcamins said |
19:31 | it's coded into the bibliographic record | |
19:31 | narcisgarcia | I selected MARC21. |
19:31 | jcamins | You'll want to read about whichever flavor of MARC you are using. |
19:31 | cait | and Koha will show it and generate nice icons |
19:31 | jcamins | Okay, you should read... |
19:32 | http://www.loc.gov/marc/umb/ | |
19:32 | narcisgarcia | I was defining item types. |
19:32 | cait | itemtypes define circulation rules |
19:32 | jcamins | You can specify whichever item types you want. |
19:32 | cait | not really itemtypes |
19:32 | narcisgarcia | For the moment, I'm setting as item types only the Support. |
19:33 | cait | you should choose your itemtypes according to your circulatoin rules |
19:33 | for example we are using variations of: normal, reference, short loan | |
19:33 | narcisgarcia | In the Newbie guide says that this is a main configuration step. |
19:33 | cait | yes, bcause later your rules depend on it |
19:33 | for circulation | |
19:34 | so that is important and worth some thoughts | |
19:34 | and it's normally causing confusion, because people think itemtypes mean it has to be books, cd, dvd... etc., but it hasn't | |
19:34 | narcisgarcia | Circulation is referred to how the (books) move between libraries and personas? |
19:34 | cait | yes |
19:34 | loan period, if there is a rental charge, how many renewals, ... | |
19:35 | narcisgarcia | Well, for the moment the supports similarity is good for me. |
19:36 | wizzyrea | I think of it like itemtypes are "types of things" - book, dvd |
19:36 | narcisgarcia | What I cannot do is videoCD, videoDVD, videoTAPE, videoFILE, videoBLURAY, textPOSTER, textBOOK, textFILE, etc.. |
19:36 | wizzyrea | collection code is more like genre |
19:37 | narcisgarcia | (because it could be an inifinite type list) |
19:37 | wizzyrea | right, I think you want to use a combination of item type and collection code |
19:38 | narcisgarcia | But then I'll need to find a classification for genres |
19:38 | cait | narcisgarcia: you can use all those differently |
19:38 | wizzyrea | so you don't really have two, you have 3 |
19:38 | cait | I think the only important thing is: itemtypes are used for circulation rules, collectons and locations only for searching |
19:38 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
19:40 | narcisgarcia | Ok. |
19:44 | Another question: | |
19:44 | (Basic parameters) Libraries, branches, groups | |
19:45 | Libraries, I understand as a physical building | |
19:45 | wizzyrea | don't worry about groups |
19:45 | narcisgarcia | Groups, I understand as a name for more than one library near or related. |
19:45 | But branches I don't know and I don't find. | |
19:45 | wizzyrea | it's only half implemented and mostly not working - we should tear it out. |
19:45 | just think of branches the same way you think of libraries. | |
19:46 | and they are defined in the same way. | |
19:46 | narcisgarcia | In the translation to spanish and french, branches doesn't exist. |
19:46 | I've already defined tho search groups: public and private. | |
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19:47 | cait | wizzyrea: I think the search groups actually work |
19:47 | in advanced search you can search for more tan one branch that way | |
19:47 | like grouping libraries on one campus | |
19:48 | or in one city... region, whatever | |
19:48 | wizzyrea | neat. |
19:55 | chris_n: about? | |
19:57 | narcisgarcia | PATRONS: I understand that are users categories, right? |
19:58 | Does this affect to user rights? | |
19:58 | (or can?) | |
19:59 | I this the place where we can classify anonymous users, autoregistered users, and affiliated users, for example? | |
19:59 | chris_n | wizzyrea: here |
20:00 | css time? | |
20:00 | * chris_n | looks at bug 7998 |
20:00 | wizzyrea | well yes :) |
20:00 | cait | narcisgarcia: normally it's more like students, teachers, adults, childs |
20:00 | wizzyrea | lol how did you know |
20:01 | besides the obvious "you got email pertaining to the subject" | |
20:01 | chris_n | wizzyrea: well... I was just pulling my hair out trying to adjust some css for my datatables when bz emailed me about that bug |
20:01 | opps | |
20:01 | narcisgarcia | We don't distinct in age of users. |
20:01 | wizzyrea | the distinctions are arbitrary and defined by you |
20:01 | chris_n | sorry for so boring an explanation :-) |
20:01 | narcisgarcia | And we have public libraries with also private area for private books. |
20:02 | chris_n | wizzyrea: I'll git bz it now |
20:02 | wizzyrea | I don't think I broke anything spectacularly. |
20:03 | narcisgarcia | I see the possibility to create patron types, but not patron categories. Are the same concept in Koha? |
20:04 | Sorry; I can create categories, not types. | |
20:04 | chris_n | wizzyrea: one patch or more? |
20:04 | wizzyrea | only one now |
20:04 | chris_n | k |
20:04 | wizzyrea | I was working, and squashed them all together |
20:05 | chris_n | yeah, the purple was bit outlandish |
20:05 | looks *very* nice now | |
20:05 | wizzyrea | just a typo I think |
20:05 | narcisgarcia | Oh, I must leave. |
20:05 | Good bye. | |
20:05 | wizzyrea | ah later :) |
20:05 | narcisgarcia | And thanks for all the help |
20:05 | wizzyrea | sure thing anytime |
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20:05 | chris_n | wizzyrea: can we round the corners of the text field in the search bar? |
20:05 | * chris_n | does not want much... ;-) |
20:06 | wizzyrea | yes, probably :) |
20:06 | mveron | Good evening #koha |
20:06 | chris_n | rount++ |
20:06 | round++ #rather | |
20:07 | this really makes me want every page reworked... but switching to jQuery would allow us to use themeroller | |
20:09 | wizzyrea | chris_n: see the followup I just attached to the bug |
20:09 | for the round corners | |
20:09 | mveron | Question about naming conventions (CamelCase) in Sysem Preferences: I see 'IntranetUserCSS' and 'intranetuserjs'. Should new prefs be CamelCased? |
20:09 | magnus_afk | themeroller++ |
20:09 | * wizzyrea | is not familiar with themeroller |
20:10 | chris_n | wizzyrea: http://jqueryui.com/themeroller/ |
20:10 | cait | mveron: I think more are camelcased than not - so I would perhaps go with that |
20:10 | chris_n | camelcased is probably more readable in this case |
20:10 | wizzyrea | ohh |
20:10 | nice. | |
20:10 | chris_n | wizzyrea: can I just git bz again? |
20:10 | wizzyrea | sure |
20:10 | chris_n | and get the other patch? |
20:10 | wizzyrea | yup it's on top of the first |
20:11 | chris_n | you must be a mind reader |
20:12 | I was thinking the button would look good rounded as well | |
20:12 | * chris_n | signs off |
20:12 | * wizzyrea | cheers |
20:12 | wizzyrea | the header may still wrap with long translations :/ |
20:12 | but we can make it bigger if necessary | |
20:13 | feel free to squash those | |
20:13 | if you want | |
20:14 | my personal favorite part of this patch is the blue toolbar and the blue menu divs | |
20:14 | it looks snappy. :) | |
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20:16 | cait | screenshots? :) |
20:16 | wizzyrea | :) |
20:16 | sec | |
20:16 | chris_n | do, done, did |
20:17 | wizzyrea | http://screencast.com/t/ew8Qw761ne |
20:17 | http://screencast.com/t/YJUM04jksOZ | |
20:18 | (do note I didn't fix *everything* there that I might like to) | |
20:18 | chris_n | why did I read 'Acevedo' as 'Avocado'? |
20:19 | * wizzyrea | giggles |
20:19 | * chris_n | likes to see all of the bz tabs open in wizzyrea's browser |
20:21 | chris_n | shall I sign off on the third as well? |
20:22 | cait | nice :) |
20:22 | wizzyrea | sure - I suspect that I'll have another omnibus here in a bit |
20:23 | i found some places that need borders that don't have them. | |
20:23 | http://screencast.com/t/iYPipiX0vVz | |
20:23 | there cait, that's for you :) | |
20:23 | cait | oh :) |
20:23 | wizzyrea++ :) | |
20:23 | wizzyrea | the others were too |
20:26 | chris_n | k, all signed off and squashed into one |
20:26 | wizzyrea | YAY |
20:26 | ty :) | |
20:27 | chris_n | themeroller would be nice because one can create one's own theme and apply it easily as well as sharing and maintaining an easy upgrade path |
20:27 | wizzyrea | yea for sure, that would be so nice. |
20:28 | chris_n | gotta run, bbl |
20:28 | wizzyrea | later :) |
20:28 | chris_n++ | |
20:29 | cait: ok? http://screencast.com/t/VksHWdS7iK4 | |
20:29 | cait | the blue? |
20:29 | or the ronded edges? | |
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20:30 | wizzyrea | and the slight border around the blue |
20:30 | and the roundy corners. | |
20:30 | cait | yep I like |
20:30 | wizzyrea | i feel a bit funny tinkering with the look of the intranet >.> |
20:30 | cait | the line around the refine search seems a bit different than the lin eon the dop of the search? |
20:30 | what I would ike to see | |
20:30 | wizzyrea | well, I think |
20:30 | cait | is us using more classes |
20:31 | so we can change the color of things with a few css statements | |
20:31 | simplyfying changes like that | |
20:31 | not needing so much tinkering | |
20:31 | kathryn | Morning all : ) |
20:31 | wizzyrea | hi kathryn :) |
20:31 | cait | hi kathryn :) |
20:31 | so people could apply a new color scheme very easy | |
20:32 | wizzyrea | interestingly the definition of those things are exactly the same |
20:32 | the border on refine | |
20:32 | and the border on the search header | |
20:34 | oh I see why | |
20:34 | cait: http://screencast.com/t/F0Zz19d6X | |
20:35 | cait | :) |
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22:39 | chris_n | wizzyrea++ #I'll squash and sign off later this evening |
22:39 | paul_p will have his work cut out when he gets back :-) | |
23:04 | eythian | hi |
23:04 | wahanui | hi, eythian |
23:04 | eythian | wahanui: oh, so you're talking to me now, huh? |
23:04 | wahanui | eythian: bugger all, i dunno |
23:16 | * jcamins_away | finds a 30lb hook, discovers that he doesn't have any matching nails. |
23:17 | jcamins_away | I always wondered, growing up, why my father had a toolbox full of screws and nails that he never used. |
23:17 | This is why. | |
23:17 | Because if you don't have lots of extra, you will be lacking the one tiny piece of metal you need to finish something. | |
23:18 | * jcamins_away | goes off in search of a nail that he almost certainly doesn't own. |
23:35 | mtj | anyone spotted this?... -> http://openmetadata.lib.harvard.edu/ |
23:35 | ronald joined #koha | |
23:35 | mtj | http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/[…]id=icb.page498373 |
23:36 | heya ronald :) | |
23:36 | 'April 24, 2012 – The Harvard Library announced it is making more than 12 million catalog records from Harvard’s 73 libraries publicly available.' | |
23:37 | ronald | heya mtj |
23:37 | mtj | http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/[…]s/?pagemode=print |
23:38 | wow... 'Harvard plans also to eventually include circulation data on the items as well' | |
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23:43 | Judit | good morning |
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