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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:14 | chris_n | hi eythian |
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| 02:44 | rangi | hi paul_p, awake early |
| 02:44 | paul_p | rangi yep( 4:45AM ) |
| 02:45 | I came to publish the announcement of the release. | |
| 02:45 | rangi | beat ya |
| 02:45 | :) | |
| 02:45 | paul_p | but it seems you made it already |
| 02:45 | rangi | yep, had already had 46 downloads by the time i did it too |
| 02:46 | everyone thought you had left for leave, so i asked if i should send an email, with your release notes | |
| 02:48 | paul_p | rangi the display of the announcement on the website is a quite ugly and I can't modify it. Could you give me access ? |
| 02:49 | rangi | shift refresh |
| 02:49 | to get the new css | |
| 02:49 | and no, only wizzyrea can give you access | |
| 02:50 | paul_p | OK, it's a little bit better |
| 02:51 | mtj | hiya paul_p , congrats, well done! |
| 02:52 | paul_p | hi mtj & congrats to everyone ! |
| 02:53 | rangi | yeah, i can't see how I can give you access i think you have to be a superadmin for that or something |
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| 02:54 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
| 02:55 | rangi | hi Oak |
| 03:05 | Oak | hello rangi :) |
| 03:07 | * Oak | going out to drop his sister at work |
| 03:17 | rangi | paul_p: one other thing for 3.10, we should get in soon, is the jquery update .. so we have lots of time to shake out any bugs |
| 03:18 | we are using a pretty old jquery one .. so i'd expect a few weird things | |
| 03:18 | paul_p | rangi = "we should get in soon" => you plan to submit a patch or hope/expect someone will do it ? |
| 03:20 | rangi | theres a patch already, i think chris_n and oleonard will do it |
| 03:21 | chris_n | paul_p: I plan on stirring that pot tomorrow afternoon a bit |
| 03:21 | it needs to be done asap imho | |
| 03:21 | g'mornig btw | |
| 03:21 | morning even | |
| 03:22 | there is also a css bug which oleonard will hopefully submit a patch for | |
| 03:22 | * chris_n | must go to bed now |
| 03:22 | chris_n | bbl |
| 03:22 | btw, congrats on the release paul_p | |
| 03:23 | rangi | yep congrats :) |
| 03:42 | i wonder if we can get rid of yui too, that would be awesome | |
| 03:50 | mtj | quick Q, whats the new table-sorter in Koha called? |
| 03:50 | rangi | datatable |
| 03:50 | mtj | tableSorter.js ? |
| 03:51 | perfect ;) | |
| 03:52 | ooh, looks pretty -> http://datatables.net/ | |
| 04:10 | paul_p | rangi = about getting rid of YUI, owen made some progress in this direction. |
| 04:10 | rangi | *nod* |
| 04:10 | paul_p | OK, time to switch my computer off. Bye guys, see you later ! |
| 04:10 | rangi | have a good break, you deserve it |
| 04:12 | mtj | cya paul, have a good one :) |
| 04:21 | hmm, this page needs updating -> http://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Koha | |
| 04:22 | does anyone from kc.org have perms to do that? | |
| 04:27 | rangi | No, but submit a a bug anyone can do that |
| 04:27 | Only fsf can edit but anyone can submit a change request | |
| 04:30 | mtj | ah yep, submittng a change now :) |
| 04:45 | eythian | aww, I get bug 8001 - just missed out. |
| 04:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8001 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Add some styling to the tags to allow them to be distinctive |
| 04:50 | rangi | Heh |
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| 05:08 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 05:09 | eythian | hi cait |
| 05:10 | Oak | good morning cait |
| 05:10 | hello Mr. Robin | |
| 05:10 | eythian | hi Oak :) |
| 05:10 | Oak | :) |
| 05:10 | cait | hi eythian and Oak :) |
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| 05:36 | vkm | dear all koha users and developers congrates for new 3.8 release |
| 05:41 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.8.0, 3.6.4 and 3.4.8 Now Available | Koha Community Website - http://www.koha-community.org/ | General IRC meeting, 2 May 2012 at 2:00 UTC+0 | |
| 05:42 | Topic for #koha is now Koha | |
| 05:42 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.8.0, 3.6.4 and 3.4.8 Now Available | Koha Community Website - http://www.koha-community.org/ | General IRC meeting, 2 May 2012 at 2:00 UTC+0 | |
| 05:43 | Topic for #koha is now Koha | |
| 05:43 | vkm | When live installation cd will be available? |
| 05:43 | for 3.8 | |
| 05:43 | Topic for #koha is now Koha | |
| 05:43 | eythian | mtj: I think you just made it worse :) |
| 05:44 | Topic for #koha is now Koha | |
| 05:44 | mtj | heh |
| 05:45 | rangi | vkm: the release team don't do that, you'd have to ask whoever it is who makes them |
| 05:45 | Topic for #koha is now Koha | |
| 05:45 | cait | vkm: or perhaps consider installing it yourself, people can help you easier then too |
| 05:46 | * eythian | hopes to make packages tomorrow |
| 05:46 | vkm | how long should i wait for complete package and installation of 3.8 as i am new to koha |
| 05:46 | Topic for #koha is now Koha | |
| 05:47 | Topic for #koha is now "Koha | |
| 05:49 | Topic for #koha is now Koha | |
| 05:51 | Topic for #koha is now 3.8.0, | |
| 05:52 | mtj | well, obviously my brute-force technique isn't doing to well here... :) |
| 05:52 | * mtj | restarts irc-client, tries again... |
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| 05:54 | Topic for #koha is now 3.8.0, | |
| 05:54 | cait | hi laurence |
| 05:54 | laurence | hi cait |
| 05:55 | Topic for #koha is now '3.8.0, | |
| 05:59 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.8.0, 3.6.4 and 3.4.8 Now Available | Koha Community Website - http://www.koha-community.org/ | General IRC meeting, 2 May 2012 at 2:00 UTC+0 | |
| 05:59 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.8.0, 3.6.4 and 3.4.8 Now Available | Koha Community Website - http://www.koha-community.org/ | General IRC meeting, 2 May 2012 at 2:00 UTC+0 | |
| 06:00 | mtj | bizarre... i'm officially blaming that on a colloquy bug |
| 06:01 | but haaaay, got there in the end ;) | |
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| 06:10 | Judit | hi |
| 06:11 | eythian | hi Judit |
| 06:24 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:35 | cait | hi Judit and alex_a :) |
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| 06:48 | vkm | for importing should i use shelving location code in marc format against item like for book we use BK? |
| 06:50 | magnuse | kia ora #koha |
| 06:53 | ooh, 8000th bug | |
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| 07:01 | gaetan_B | hello #koha |
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| 07:10 | esofiane | Hello #koha |
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| 07:22 | samuel | hello everybody! congratulations for the new release :-) |
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| 07:32 | kf | good morning #koha |
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| 08:04 | magnuse | so how do you help out a librarian who wants to use koha, but needs to do hostinh in house because of confidential materials that should be catalogued in koha, and whose it department does not "know linux"? |
| 08:05 | kf | hm |
| 08:05 | magnuse | ask them to investigate running linux in a virtual machine on windows? |
| 08:05 | kf | well... guess there are worse things |
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| 08:34 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 08:36 | kf | hi drojf |
| 08:36 | drojf | good morning kf |
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| 08:42 | kf | grrr |
| 08:43 | drojf | ? |
| 08:43 | kf | I am trying to change the height of anelement with jquery |
| 08:43 | as result of a click on something else | |
| 08:43 | * magnuse | hands kf a chainsaw |
| 08:43 | kf | magnuse: dangerous idea |
| 08:44 | magnuse | and it would only work if you wanted to redice the height, of couse |
| 08:44 | kf | sadly I want to increase it |
| 08:45 | magnuse | :-( |
| 08:45 | * drojf | hands kf superglue |
| 08:46 | magnuse | kf: how are you doing it and what happens when you do it? |
| 08:46 | kf | brb |
| 08:53 | I want to resize an iframe | |
| 08:53 | when I click on a link | |
| 08:54 | drojf | iframe… building a phishing site? "enter credit card details here" :P |
| 08:55 | kf | no |
| 08:55 | adding our "bookstore links" to koha's catalog | |
| 08:56 | ah, and it does not work for that record... of course | |
| 08:58 | drojf | what is "http://swb/" for people not in your network? |
| 09:00 | rangi | ls -p | xargs -I {} git log -1 --format="%ai {}" "{}" | sort -r |
| 09:00 | try it in a git dir | |
| 09:05 | kf | drojf: oh |
| 09:05 | let me check something | |
| 09:05 | drojf | kf already found it |
| 09:06 | kf | wonder how I got this link |
| 09:06 | no idea | |
| 09:06 | ok | |
| 09:06 | now it works .) | |
| 09:06 | drojf | i get the iframe with the availability tinbg |
| 09:06 | thing | |
| 09:06 | kf | yes it works there, I want to add something similar to koha |
| 09:07 | drojf | ah! :) |
| 09:17 | rangi: that's fancy :) | |
| 09:23 | kf | hah, got it working :) |
| 09:57 | hm | |
| 09:57 | do we have a screenshot of the new start page somewhere? | |
| 09:59 | mbalmer | not a screen shot, but: http://head.bibkat.no:8080/ |
| 09:59 | kf | ah great thx |
| 10:00 | mbalmer | demo / demo |
| 10:00 | magnuse | oops, that's in norwegian :-) |
| 10:01 | kf | still nice :) |
| 10:01 | mbalmer | kf, you suddenly like icons?? |
| 10:02 | kf | mbalmer: hmmmm... |
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| 10:03 | kf | mbalmer: I will leave the decision to our libraries |
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| 10:59 | jcamins_away | magnuse: you encourage them to hire a vendor to support the system. |
| 11:13 | magnuse | jcamins_away: but they want to have confidential stuff in the records, so they are sceptical of not having it in house... |
| 11:14 | jcamins_away | magnuse: they can have a self-hosted system where they're paying someone to do routine maintenance on the server. |
| 11:15 | magnuse | sure, but i'm not sure i would want to be responsible for a server in their server room... |
| 11:17 | jcamins | I can't seem to change my nick. |
| 11:17 | That's weird. | |
| 11:17 | Nor would I, but there are vendors who do that sort of thing. | |
| 11:17 | Yay! I managed to change my nick! | |
| 11:17 | magnuse | woohoo! |
| 11:17 | yeah, that might be a way to go | |
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| 11:37 | * slef | mails a report to kohacon12volunteers |
| 11:37 | dgl-library | Greetings #koha! |
| 11:37 | magnuse | greetings dgl-library! |
| 11:38 | kf | ooh :) |
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| 11:43 | chris_n | mtj: we use datatables as our table generator atm |
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| 11:46 | mtj | we, as in - Koha does? |
| 11:46 | or a difference 'we' ? :) | |
| 11:46 | libsysguy | im getting reports of a date not showing up when patrons request a book. Is anybody else seeing this on master? |
| 11:47 | mtj | biab... |
| 11:47 | chris_n | mtj: we == koha |
| 11:48 | libsysguy | logs? |
| 11:48 | wahanui | hmmm... logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 11:49 | jcamins | chris_n: do you have time for a quick tutorial on your release management scripts? |
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| 11:50 | chris_n | jcamins: I'm headed off to class atm; maybe later this morning |
| 11:50 | jcamins | chris_n: okay. |
| 11:50 | chris_n | be sure to bring lots of strong coffee/tea... they are not for the faint of heart ;-) |
| 11:52 | jcamins | Fair enough. |
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| 11:53 | drojf1 | marc and/ or zebra question: when using 773/774 for analytical records, can i manage whether i get only host items, only constituent items or both in search results? i thought i read about that somwhere but can't figure it out now |
| 11:53 | jcamins | drojf1: no. |
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| 11:54 | jcamins | drojf1: actually, what are you asking? |
| 11:54 | drojf1 | jcamins: thanks. must have really dreamed that then. or misinterpreted something to my likings :D |
| 11:55 | jcamins | drojf1: I just realized that I might have misunderstood your question. |
| 11:55 | Do you mean you want to do a search for only host items, or you only want the 773 and not the 774 (or vice versa) to show up in the display? | |
| 11:56 | drojf1 | jcamins: i have a host item and two constituent items that belong to the host item. can i specify somewhere that i find only the host item (in a regular search)? or that i find only the constituent items respectively? |
| 11:57 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 11:57 | It should be possible, yes. | |
| 11:58 | kf will have the details, since she wrote that code. :) | |
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| 12:09 | slef | @query SUSHI |
| 12:09 | huginn | slef: No results for "SUSHI." |
| 12:09 | slef | Anyone heard of this? |
| 12:09 | hdl | slef: yep |
| 12:09 | slef | Standardized Usage Statistics Harvesting Initiative |
| 12:09 | magnuse | made me think of http://misoproject.com/ ;-) |
| 12:09 | hdl | it is a protocol to count the number of checkout and so on. |
| 12:09 | slef | hdl: any tips? |
| 12:10 | hdl | slef: about what ? |
| 12:10 | slef | someone asking about Koha's support for it |
| 12:10 | magnuse | http://www.niso.org/workrooms/sushi |
| 12:10 | hdl | slef: it is VERY important for digital repository. |
| 12:11 | magnuse | hey, the pdf is only $49.00USD! http://www.techstreet.com/stan[…]roduct_id=1612225 |
| 12:11 | hdl | slef: I guess it is not the business of Koha to implement that. |
| 12:11 | slef | magnuse: private standards :( |
| 12:12 | hdl | Koha is ILS, for regular books. |
| 12:12 | magnuse | slef: now there is a oxymoron |
| 12:12 | hdl | erm and digital right management is not its scope. |
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| 12:13 | hdl | let Koha do physical checkouts, and do it good.... with open standards and APIs, And leave erm and digital assets to other softwares. |
| 12:14 | slef | hdl: you write that, but more and more libraries want to integrate electronic resources into Koha's core, and to have physical item usage reported over the same systems that report electronic usage. |
| 12:14 | jcamins_away | That's not entirely accurate, though. |
| 12:15 | SUSHI is an API for statistics. | |
| 12:15 | slef | jcamins_away: it looks like the initial driving use case was electronic, but yes, it looks like it is more general. |
| 12:15 | jcamins_away | It's most heavily used for electronic resources, but librarians would like statistics on *everything*. |
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| 12:16 | jcamins_away | slef: yeah, the electronic resources librarian from Yale gave a talk about it, and she used it primarily within the context of databases, but they were trying to integrate gate count, etc., so that they could decide where to cut budgets. |
| 12:17 | hdl | slef: in my opninion, Koha should first be refactored buttoms up. |
| 12:17 | And then think about doing something else. | |
| 12:17 | But eh... it is MY opinion. | |
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| 12:18 | hdl | at the moment, bring more code into Koha will only brings more bugs. |
| 12:18 | * libsysguy | perks up at the mention of a refactor |
| 12:18 | slef | hdl: not sure about you, but we can best do refactoring as part of development |
| 12:19 | libsysguy | slef you mean as incremental refactors instead of doing it all at once or do you mean refactor code as bugs crop up? |
| 12:19 | slef | hdl: unless you+others want to argue that any possible-maybe kohacon12 surplus should be spent buying refactoring work, rather than given to kohacon13 |
| 12:19 | libsysguy: I mean refactor related code when people pay us to add features or fix bugs in that area. | |
| 12:20 | kf | I think rewriting all of koha is out of question |
| 12:20 | we can only do it module by module | |
| 12:20 | jcamins_away | kf: what, you don't have... |
| 12:20 | kf | or funtion by function |
| 12:20 | slef | kf: I think it would be brilliant but hard to fund. |
| 12:20 | * jcamins_away | mumbles a terrifyingly large number... |
| 12:20 | kf | yep |
| 12:20 | exactly | |
| 12:20 | so | |
| 12:20 | jcamins_away | ... dollars/euros/pounds? |
| 12:20 | kf | at the moment I think best is going baby steps |
| 12:20 | like moving more things over to the new namespace | |
| 12:21 | getting rid of that old date handlig thing... | |
| 12:21 | oleonard | Hi everyone |
| 12:21 | libsysguy | i think baby steps are good but I am still a little confused about what the new namespace is going to solve other than maybe some memory leaks |
| 12:21 | which is big | |
| 12:21 | don't get me wrong | |
| 12:22 | slef | libsysguy: you're not alone |
| 12:22 | libsysguy | but I sometimes feel the logical structure of the codebase is...well...in disarray |
| 12:23 | kf | I thin the idea is to use it to separate business logic too |
| 12:23 | slef | libsysguy: there's logic? and structure? ;-) |
| 12:23 | kf | but.. don't ask ME for details |
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| 12:23 | libsysguy | heh slef my point exactly |
| 12:23 | kf | not that much of a programmer yet - still working on the very basics :) |
| 12:23 | slef | seriously, there's lots of logic and structure |
| 12:24 | oleonard | Expecting a strictly unified logical structure from a 12 year old open source project is too much |
| 12:24 | slef | but you can tell it's changed hands a few times with very different big visions |
| 12:24 | jcamins_away | libsysguy: moving to a new namespace will force us to reconsider where things are done. |
| 12:24 | For example, SQLHelper will finally die. | |
| 12:24 | libsysguy | heh |
| 12:24 | jcamins_away | We can replace it with a more coherent database access class. |
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| 12:25 | hdl | slef: you are not quite right... there are lots of logic s and that s makes all the difference. |
| 12:26 | kf | hdl, slef: I think you both agree - lots of logics... only not the same everywhere :) |
| 12:27 | libsysguy | i think the logic is a bit challenging to follow |
| 12:27 | but maybe thats me | |
| 12:27 | magnuse | isn't the point of Koha:: that we agree on some standards and take baby steps to get our code in line with the standards and make sure the code that meets the standards is in Koha::, with the long term goal of getting rid of C4::? |
| 12:28 | jcamins_away | magnuse: yes, exactly. |
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| 12:30 | kf | magnuse: yep, that's what I understood too |
| 12:30 | hdl | magnuse: the question is should baby steps be completed and Koha Walks before you load him with other tasks or should you challenge him with other compelling tasks while those baby steps. |
| 12:31 | magnuse | it has to be both at the same time |
| 12:31 | libsysguy | ::Koha power walking :p |
| 12:31 | magnuse | unless someone has lots of money t spend on this we can't freeze koha for 3 years while we clean the code |
| 12:31 | kf | I think magnuse is right |
| 12:31 | we have to do it the hard way | |
| 12:32 | magnuse | (freeze as in not add any new features) |
| 12:32 | kf | although the other would be cool... if we had a time machine |
| 12:32 | hdl | well doing module by module could at least be helpful. |
| 12:32 | libsysguy | technically ::Koha already contains at least one new feature already |
| 12:32 | hdl | But what if you change Auth.pm and Context.pm which also needs to be refactored. |
| 12:32 | libsysguy | ...hourly loans |
| 12:33 | magnuse | hdl: i'm not saying it's easy, i'm saying it's the only way... ;-) |
| 12:33 | hdl | I am saying, who when where, how. |
| 12:34 | magnuse | hdl: us, all the time, in whatever way we see fit, one step at a time |
| 12:35 | oleonard | Yay open source and everything but Gitorious has been dog slow for two days. |
| 12:35 | kf | lol |
| 12:35 | hi oleonard | |
| 12:36 | hdl | see ya folks. |
| 12:38 | slef | oleonard :( any news from them what the problem is? |
| 12:38 | oleonard | Nothing on the blog |
| 12:39 | slef | oleonard: web frontend seems snappy here |
| 12:39 | oleonard: is it git push/fetch being slow? | |
| 12:39 | oleonard | It's the web site that has been on and off for me |
| 12:40 | slef | ah yes it's just slowed down for me |
| 12:40 | "We're having some issues with our cache, working on it!" | |
| 12:40 | http://identi.ca/gitorious | |
| 12:42 | oleonard | Good to hear. Thanks slef |
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| 12:50 | oleonard | "3.8" is dangerously close to "4.2" I think we should expect a "5.4" any time now. |
| 12:51 | magnuse | lol |
| 12:52 | slef | I think Koha-with-Plack should be 5.0, with a comment about one vendor mistakenly releasing their own fork as 4.x and confusing matters. |
| 12:53 | magnuse | and koha-with-solr 4.0? |
| 13:00 | slef | I refuse to comment for fear that I may incriminate myself. |
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| 13:00 | magnuse | heh |
| 13:02 | drojf1 | we could have kohacon every half year and name the releases accordingly. koha edinburgh does not sound too bad. i'd also like koha bodø or tromsø ;) |
| 13:03 | oleonard | Kohacon every half year would break everyone's travel budget :( |
| 13:03 | kf | what happened to the plan of koha - release chocolate chip cookie? |
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| 13:05 | drojf1 | put it on the list for the next icr meeting maybe? :) |
| 13:05 | irc | |
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| 13:35 | * oleonard | suspects he must have missed the release party, as everyone else seems to be hung over |
| 13:37 | oleonard | ...or working furiously on 3.10? |
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| 13:53 | clrh_ | oleonard: working furiously on 3.10 of course :) |
| 13:53 | * kf | waves at clrh |
| 13:54 | clrh | (joking but lot of things to signoff if you don't know what to do ;)) |
| 13:54 | jcamins | I am looking forward to Koha ginger-wasabi-chocolate chip cookies. |
| 13:54 | :D | |
| 13:54 | http://biscuitpusher.blogspot.[…]chip-cookies.html | |
| 13:54 | clrh | don't know what does mean "doing waves" |
| 13:55 | jcamins | clrh: "making waves"? |
| 13:55 | Where does it say that. | |
| 13:55 | *? | |
| 13:56 | clrh | kf said: -15:53- * kf waves at clrh |
| 13:56 | jcamins | Oh, I see. |
| 13:56 | It's a greeting. If you're far away from someone, to indicate that you see them, you wave at them. | |
| 13:56 | magnuse | o/ |
| 13:56 | * jcamins | will see if he can find out how to call it in French. |
| 13:57 | jcamins | salut? |
| 13:58 | clrh | ok thanks jcamins |
| 13:58 | magnuse | google translate: elle est vous saluent |
| 13:58 | clrh | "hola" ? |
| 13:58 | ok | |
| 13:59 | kf | sorry for causing confusion :) |
| 13:59 | clrh | english translate of google transkate: she say hello |
| 13:59 | nevermind | |
| 13:59 | kf | clrh: will you be in edinburgh? :) |
| 13:59 | clrh | no problem |
| 13:59 | I would like to yes | |
| 14:00 | kf | :) |
| 14:00 | hope it happens :) | |
| 14:02 | clrh | :) |
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| 14:09 | * oleonard | has a fresh version of his fix for Bug 4048 as soon as Gitorious stops being narcoleptic |
| 14:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4048 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , CSS and JS libs must be outside of translated paths |
| 14:11 | kf | :) |
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| 14:26 | * wizzyrea | pokes bug 7998 |
| 14:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7998 minor, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Needs Signoff , 3.8 UI cleanup, tweaks to new styles |
| 14:28 | * jcamins | would sign off, but I'm at a client's. |
| 14:28 | oleonard | Tell them hi from us jcamins |
| 14:28 | jcamins | oleonard: I will. |
| 14:30 | slef | heh |
| 14:33 | chris_n | jcamins: I'm back... been afk most of the morning, sorry |
| 14:34 | jcamins | chris_n: 'sok. |
| 14:34 | chris_n | oleonard: does wizzyrea's bug include the issue we discussed yesterday? |
| 14:34 | or should I add it? | |
| 14:34 | wizzyrea | what was the issue? |
| 14:34 | oleonard | I don't know |
| 14:34 | wizzyrea | cuzn I can tell you >.> |
| 14:35 | oleonard | Hush wizzyrea we're talking! |
| 14:35 | * wizzyrea | makes puppy dog face |
| 14:35 | chris_n | wizzyrea: the cart icon causes the top bar to expand vertically into ugliness |
| 14:35 | oleonard | So anyway chris_n, there may be no way to ever know. |
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| 14:35 | wizzyrea | no, it doesn't address that. :P |
| 14:35 | firefox? | |
| 14:35 | wahanui | rumour has it firefox is so much better for maximep's use case of opening hundreds of tabs in tab groups. Chrome couldn't do that |
| 14:36 | oleonard | Chrome |
| 14:36 | chris_n | is 7998 an appropriate location for that complaint? |
| 14:36 | wizzyrea | sure |
| 14:36 | chris_n | k |
| 14:36 | oleonard | My firefox heard wahanui talking about it and crashed from surprise |
| 14:37 | * chris_n | hands out mint m&m's |
| 14:37 | wizzyrea | one thing that might be controversial |
| 14:37 | in that patch of mine | |
| 14:37 | is the colors of the menus - I thought they were too blah being grey | |
| 14:37 | http://screencast.com/t/1O6xwDOb0 | |
| 14:37 | jcamins | More controversial than the background image? |
| 14:37 | wizzyrea | and hover blue |
| 14:38 | so I switched them, hover grey, blue all the time. | |
| 14:38 | now, the hover color I think could probably be changed | |
| 14:38 | but the blue tabs look SO much better imo | |
| 14:38 | makes the white active tab stand out more. | |
| 14:39 | * chris_n | dutifully add his comment to 7998 |
| 14:39 | wizzyrea | thanks chris_n |
| 14:40 | this happens when there's stuff in the cart? | |
| 14:40 | chris_n | now... to sign off on the jQuery upgrade |
| 14:40 | * oleonard | cheers chris_n |
| 14:40 | wizzyrea | oh I see |
| 14:40 | chris_n | wizzyrea: I did not test that, but oleonard may have |
| 14:40 | wizzyrea | wait, no I don't |
| 14:40 | because mine's not broken - maybe because my window is wider/ | |
| 14:40 | ? | |
| 14:41 | chris_n | you must have a huge monitor ;-) |
| 14:41 | wizzyrea | but it does wrap when there's stuff in the cart |
| 14:41 | is that what you mean? | |
| 14:41 | chris_n | yes |
| 14:41 | that's ugly | |
| 14:41 | wizzyrea | yes, ok. ez enuf to fix. |
| 14:41 | * oleonard | didn't think it depended on the monitor size |
| 14:41 | chris_n | it causes the screen to bounce |
| 14:41 | wizzyrea | no, it doesn't |
| 14:41 | * wizzyrea | doesn't observe bouncing |
| 14:41 | chris_n | maybe not so ez |
| 14:41 | as oleonard mentioned, translations may result in differing widths | |
| 14:42 | wizzyrea | i had that same problem when adding stuff to the intranetnav |
| 14:42 | in previous versions | |
| 14:42 | chris_n | cart in foo-bar, may have 24 letters |
| 14:42 | kf1 | liz: i like the tabs |
| 14:42 | wizzyrea | I \o/ |
| 14:42 | kf1 | :) |
| 14:42 | chris_n | kf clones? |
| 14:42 | wizzyrea | the hover color could be a darker color, idk. |
| 14:42 | * chris_n | gets out the list of extra work |
| 14:43 | kf1 | it's a bit darker now I think? |
| 14:43 | in the recent version? | |
| 14:43 | wizzyrea | there isn't a darker color in this color scheme yet :( |
| 14:43 | kf1 | hm the screenshots I got from magnuse installation today looked darker to me |
| 14:43 | than the colors in your scheme | |
| 14:43 | wizzyrea | mine are the ones in master |
| 14:43 | same as his | |
| 14:44 | difference in screen? | |
| 14:44 | or capture tool? | |
| 14:44 | kf1 | hm not sure |
| 14:44 | perhaps? | |
| 14:44 | wizzyrea | I didn't actually change any of the colors, only used ones that were there |
| 14:44 | * chris_n | does 'git bz apply 5184' and holds his breath |
| 14:45 | * wizzyrea | looks east for signs of nuclear pressure waves coming this way |
| 14:46 | * oleonard | would report them if they passed by on their way to wizzyrea |
| 14:46 | wizzyrea | thanks oleonard, you're a good friend. :) |
| 14:47 | chris_n | .oO.... POOF! |
| 14:47 | * chris_n | blows away a little smoke |
| 14:47 | * oleonard | is unable to add a new patron attribute type |
| 14:48 | wizzyrea | urg |
| 14:49 | chris_n | oleonard: is it safe to assume that most of the upgrade bugs would be in cataloguing [sic] |
| 14:49 | oleonard | I don't think it's safe to assume that |
| 14:50 | * chris_n | hates the thought of not knowing exactly where a bug may crawl out of next :) |
| 14:50 | jcamins | chris_n: that's how I feel about search-related code. |
| 14:51 | * chris_n | looks around for his aardvark |
| 14:51 | chris_n | cool.. a tag editor |
| 14:51 | is that new or did I miss something | |
| 14:52 | jcamins | chris_n: don't you run master? |
| 14:52 | * wizzyrea | recalls oleonard spending many hours mucking about in tags |
| 14:52 | chris_n | lol |
| 14:52 | the new look provides nice eye-relief | |
| 14:52 | wizzyrea | he'd come up for air, grizzled, covered in tags like "pseudoscience" and "paleontology" |
| 14:53 | jcamins | Hey, speaking of statistics, do people track which links people follow *out* of the catalogs? |
| 14:53 | wizzyrea | yea, it's not so stark |
| 14:53 | * wizzyrea | uses piwik to see that |
| 14:53 | jcamins | wizzyrea: let me rephrase. |
| 14:53 | * chris_n | can't wait until we progress to the "sculpted" look |
| 14:54 | wizzyrea | I can't wait until we talk about the table styling. |
| 14:54 | jcamins | Is that one of the statistics that you are actually interested in, or is that just a by-product of using web analytics? |
| 14:54 | chris_n | +1 |
| 14:54 | jcamins | +1 |
| 14:54 | chris_n | scrolling tables |
| 14:54 | wizzyrea | it's a by-product of using web analytics |
| 14:54 | but an interesting one | |
| 14:54 | jcamins | Nuking the cataloguing editor from orbit. |
| 14:54 | chris_n | drag-n-drop marc imports |
| 14:54 | * wizzyrea | faints |
| 14:54 | wizzyrea | y'all are giving me the vapors. |
| 14:55 | or, I need the vapors/ | |
| 14:55 | or something. | |
| 14:55 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I'm thinking about usage statistics for electronic resources. |
| 14:55 | wizzyrea | sure, piwik could tell you about that |
| 14:55 | jcamins | Yeah, it's easy to get from piwik. |
| 14:56 | The question I'm trying to get at is whether it's useful enough to integrate some sort of circ statistics for electronic resource records. | |
| 14:56 | oleonard | "patron-attr-types.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Column 'category_code' cannot be null at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/C4/Members/AttributeTypes.pm line 220" |
| 14:56 | jcamins | Like, I have all of PG in my demo. |
| 14:56 | A library might think "gee, that'd be useful." | |
| 14:57 | A gazillion free classic (and not-so-classic) texts. | |
| 14:57 | But there's no circ data, obviously. | |
| 14:57 | wizzyrea | right. |
| 14:57 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 14:58 | chris_n | oleonard: on master? |
| 14:58 | jcamins | For me, web analytics works just fine, because that's something I have anyway. |
| 14:58 | chris_n | over sample data? |
| 14:58 | jcamins | For you, too. |
| 14:58 | oleonard | chris_n: on master, yes |
| 14:58 | jcamins | But what if a library doesn't have the expertise to manage web analytics? |
| 14:58 | Is the information useful enough to be worth capturing? | |
| 14:58 | wizzyrea | well short of building in a limited version of web analytics to koha (because that's really what you're doing) how would you track that? |
| 14:59 | chris_n | oleonard: ouch |
| 14:59 | wizzyrea | ok, personally |
| 14:59 | I don't think that using (the dreaded) google analytics is too hard for anybody. | |
| 14:59 | chris_n | oleonard: well a spin through adding/editing bibs and adding/editing items does not show up any obvious js errors |
| 14:59 | oleonard | Cool |
| 14:59 | wizzyrea | setting up their own server with piwik is only marginally harder |
| 15:00 | libraries are getting smarter, not dumber. | |
| 15:00 | the worst thing about piwik is having to have a certificate if you want to track traffic from a secured website. | |
| 15:00 | jcamins | wizzyrea: well, yeah, it'd be an exceedingly limited web analytics thing, but basically you proxy links for electronic records at the XSLT-level, and have the system record the circs. |
| 15:01 | If there's logged-in user, you get the patron type. | |
| 15:01 | If not, you don't. | |
| 15:02 | oleonard | Ah, interesting. updatedatabase.pl correctly alters borrower_attribute_types to allow category_code to be null, but kohastructure.sql doesn't |
| 15:02 | So I'm noticing the bug because my installation isn't very old | |
| 15:02 | jcamins | I actually thought of this specifically for the analytics use case, where you're using a public DOI resolver or pubmed. |
| 15:03 | It may be that the question is moot for public libraries, but it would be useful to me, as a medical school library administrator to know that my faculty were not using the catalog at all. | |
| 15:03 | wizzyrea | well sure |
| 15:05 | jcamins | (we already know the faculty aren't actually coming to the library, but if a lot of research is done in non-authenticated databases, we have practically no information about what they *are* doing) |
| 15:06 | What I'm wondering is whether this is information that other people find interesting, or whether it's just an "oh, that's nice" bit of trivia. | |
| 15:08 | wizzyrea | i'm sure that someone wants to know about that |
| 15:08 | metrics are helpful when asking for money. | |
| 15:09 | oleonard | It would certainly help justify the effort of adding something like Gutenberg records |
| 15:11 | Bug 8002 | |
| 15:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8002 major, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Can't add patron attribute type in newer installation |
| 15:11 | oleonard | Aw man I missed Bug 8000? |
| 15:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8000 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , Test mode for notices |
| 15:11 | * wizzyrea | looks around |
| 15:11 | oleonard | Bug 7000 |
| 15:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7000 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , show home and holding branch on staff search results |
| 15:12 | oleonard | Bug 6000 |
| 15:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6000 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, paul.poulain, Patch doesn't apply , Performance enhancements for C4::Context and C4::Languages |
| 15:12 | oleonard | Bug 5000 |
| 15:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5000 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Uncertain prices misses option to choose display language |
| 15:12 | oleonard | Bug 4000 |
| 15:12 | wahanui | i think Bug 4000 is a great example of an old acq bug that just hasn't gotten any attention |
| 15:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4000 normal, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , Budgets table doesn't show tree view for sub-budgets |
| 15:12 | oleonard | Still true wahanui |
| 15:12 | kf1 | oleonard: good catch and ouch |
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| 15:22 | wizzyrea | hi hdl |
| 15:23 | hdl | hi wizzyrea |
| 15:24 | gmcharlt | hi hdl |
| 15:26 | chris_n | bug 5184 |
| 15:26 | wahanui | bug 5184 is related |
| 15:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5184 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Upgrade jQuery to the latest version |
| 15:26 | chris_n | oleonard, paul_p ^^ |
| 15:27 | bug 5184 is the priority | |
| 15:27 | bug 5184? | |
| 15:27 | wahanui | bug 5184 is related |
| 15:27 | chris_n | wahanui: forget bug 5184 |
| 15:27 | wahanui | chris_n: I forgot bug 5184 |
| 15:27 | chris_n | bug 5184 is the priority |
| 15:27 | bug 5184? | |
| 15:27 | wahanui | i think bug 5184 is the priority |
| 15:27 | chris_n | good |
| 15:29 | kf1 | oleonard: I think we might need a databaseupdate for bug 8003? :( |
| 15:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8003 was not found. |
| 15:29 | kf1 | bug 8002 |
| 15:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8002 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Can't add patron attribute type in newer installation |
| 15:30 | oleonard | Ah true |
| 15:30 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 15:31 | kf1: KVK is driving me nuts. | |
| 15:31 | kf | and what I am supposed to do about it? it's not next door ;) |
| 15:31 | jcamins: what is it doing? | |
| 15:32 | jcamins | Limiting by year doesn't seem to be working with the German databases. |
| 15:32 | kf | specify which databases? ;) |
| 15:33 | you could also start your search directly at swb ;) | |
| 15:33 | jcamins | BVB, GBV, and HEBIS. |
| 15:33 | kf | see |
| 15:34 | jcamins | I know you can't actually fix it, but someone needed to be told that it was annoying me, and you have a union catalog too. :P |
| 15:34 | hdl | hi gmcharlt |
| 15:34 | kf | lol |
| 15:34 | ok :) | |
| 15:49 | oleonard | Is there a procedure for correcting Bug 8003 because seriously folks I tire of hearing about it. |
| 15:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8003 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Tag "" is not a valid tag. at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2045 |
| 15:49 | kf | oleonard: I think we need an faq for that |
| 15:49 | like we have for zebra | |
| 15:49 | or a better error message, but think it can have different causes? | |
| 15:50 | jcamins | We should fix whatever usually causes it, at least. |
| 15:50 | oleonard | Why did it only start showing up recently? Surely that implies a shortcoming on our part |
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| 15:51 | jcamins | oleonard: a lot of the reports appear to be one person who won't tell us what version s/he is running. |
| 15:51 | wizzyrea | ah, and this bug, even |
| 15:51 | says "unspecified" | |
| 15:52 | kf | yeah |
| 15:52 | I think asking a few questions | |
| 15:52 | jcamins | kyleh reported and fixed a similar bug. |
| 15:52 | kf | version? marc format? ... have yu changed something in your frameworks? |
| 15:55 | oleonard | Oh, and I'm conflating in my mind that one and "Can't call method "subfield" on an undefined value" |
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| 15:58 | * oleonard | heads out early |
| 15:58 | oleonard | Bye everyone |
| 16:00 | jcamins | Wow, that is early. |
| 16:00 | Lucky. | |
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| 16:03 | mib_24o8vg | Plan to download Koha soon to automate small private school library collection. What barcode scanners do you suggest that work with Linux OS? |
| 16:03 | wizzyrea | ones that you can plug in >.> |
| 16:04 | but seriously, if you can scan barcodes and have them come out as text, it will work with koha | |
| 16:04 | jcamins | mib_24o8vg: yeah, basically any barcode scanner should work. |
| 16:04 | mib_24o8vg | I am not tech savvy and saw that some barcode scanners require a Windows or Vista OS and Linux is not that right? |
| 16:07 | wizzyrea | I would not buy one that says it requires windows or vista. |
| 16:07 | I haven't come across any that don't essentially work like keyboards. | |
| 16:08 | mib_24o8vg | great! |
| 16:08 | wizzyrea | http://www.posguys.com/barcode[…]=3800G14-SERKIT1E |
| 16:08 | this is one that we have in our libraries | |
| 16:09 | jcamins | That's a really nice barcode scanner. I recommend it. |
| 16:09 | * wizzyrea | had to go look back through the logs to find that link |
| 16:09 | jcamins | barcode scanners? |
| 16:09 | wizzyrea | jcamins: you've used it with linux? |
| 16:09 | jcamins | wizzyrea: hmmm... I guess not directly. |
| 16:10 | I used it with a Linux VM. | |
| 16:10 | wizzyrea | but it's specs don't say "windows only" |
| 16:10 | jcamins | But it was hooked up to a Mac. |
| 16:10 | wizzyrea | pf |
| 16:10 | if it'll work on a mac | |
| 16:10 | it'll work on linux | |
| 16:10 | jcamins | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BarcodeReaders |
| 16:11 | wizzyrea | that one we like isn't listed, but I'm pretty sure it works. |
| 16:11 | I should just go out and grab my laptop and see. | |
| 16:11 | brb] | |
| 16:11 | mib_24o8vg | That would be great. |
| 16:11 | jcamins | "Can withstand multiple 5' drops to concrete." |
| 16:12 | mib_24o8vg: make sure you get the right interface. We had one that was USB and one that was PS/2, because we had one USB computer and one PS/2 computer. | |
| 16:13 | (both worked fine, but you can't hook up the PS/2 to a modern Mac, and the USB won't work on really old PCs) | |
| 16:14 | (*really* old PCs) | |
| 16:14 | wizzyrea | right, don't buy ps2 |
| 16:14 | if your computer is at all modern. | |
| 16:14 | jcamins | And if your computer requires PS/2, consider replacing the computer. |
| 16:14 | wizzyrea | and by modern I mean, since the year, say, 2002 |
| 16:15 | jcamins | wizzyrea: we had a computer from 2003 which didn't like the USB. |
| 16:15 | wizzyrea | ok, 2003 :P |
| 16:15 | but linux might not be that dumb. | |
| 16:16 | I just tested our adaptus 3800g, it worked out of the box with ubuntu 11 | |
| 16:16 | just plugged it in, no drama | |
| 16:16 | jcamins | wizzyrea: oh, good point. |
| 16:16 | * wizzyrea | goes on the hunt for a honeywell |
| 16:16 | jcamins | You're right. Of course Linux would be able to properly support a USB HID. |
| 16:16 | mib_24o8vg | Like no drama. I'm a volunteer at the library and not even sure what type of computer they have because we have yet to install Linux and Koha but plan to soon. As soon as someone can explain it to me. |
| 16:17 | wizzyrea | the honeywell also worked out of the box with no drama |
| 16:19 | so, that's a sample size of 2, on ubuntu 11, that work with no drama out of the box. | |
| 16:19 | slef | yes, make sure it's a USB HID |
| 16:20 | if it requires strange drivers on mac and windows, beware | |
| 16:20 | jcamins | (HID = Human Interface Device) |
| 16:20 | wizzyrea | yea, unfortunately, they don't put stuff like "USB HID" in the specs |
| 16:21 | but agreed, if it says "requires windows" I'd stay away. | |
| 16:21 | slef | wizzyrea: no but you can look the USB Identity codes up on various websites |
| 16:21 | wizzyrea | sure |
| 16:21 | if the specs have the | |
| 16:21 | them. | |
| 16:21 | this one I'm looking at doesn't | |
| 16:21 | (the specs, not the scanner itself) | |
| 16:22 | * wizzyrea | doesn't mean to be a naysayer |
| 16:22 | wizzyrea | I say nay! |
| 16:22 | j/k | |
| 16:26 | mbalmer | evening. who maintains the debian packaking of Koha? |
| 16:26 | wizzyrea | eythian |
| 16:26 | release teams? | |
| 16:26 | jcamins | release team? |
| 16:27 | package maintainer? | |
| 16:27 | maintainer? | |
| 16:27 | release maintainer? | |
| 16:27 | rm? | |
| 16:27 | wahanui | rm is busy :) |
| 16:27 | wizzyrea | release team is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_Teams |
| 16:27 | release team? | |
| 16:27 | wahanui | release team is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Release_Teams |
| 16:27 | mbalmer | ok, tnx |
| 16:27 | wizzyrea | he's helped by mtj |
| 16:28 | mib_24o8vg | Is the RM who I would contact for help when downloading debian, the Koha? |
| 16:28 | wizzyrea | nope, you'd come here. |
| 16:32 | mib_24o8vg | Ok. Anyone using the new LibLime Koha version yet? I assume that will be the one I install. |
| 16:33 | wizzyrea | nobody uses that |
| 16:33 | and we can't help you with that | |
| 16:35 | jcamins | mib_24o8vg: no, don't use that. |
| 16:35 | wizzyrea | I think you might need to check out koha-community.org |
| 16:35 | jcamins | mib_24o8vg: we only support Koha. |
| 16:35 | (and if you want extensive support, you might want to hire someone) | |
| 16:38 | wizzyrea | the latest version of Koha is 3.8. |
| 16:40 | mib_24o8vg | Will load the 3.8 since that one has the support community. Is LibLime Koha different than Koha Library? |
| 16:41 | wizzyrea | totally |
| 16:41 | kf | bye all :) |
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| 16:42 | wizzyrea | bye kf |
| 16:42 | drojf1 | bye kf :) |
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| 16:46 | nengard_lunch | what ever happened to that awesome dev that biblibre did to allow editing of circ & fine rules? anyone know if that is still in the works? |
| 16:46 | i was looking at it at kohacon10 | |
| 16:47 | wizzyrea | I think it failed qa |
| 16:47 | nengard_lunch | any idea what bug number that was? I found the all encompassing bug, wasn't sure if that was still it |
| 16:51 | wizzyrea | bug 4476 |
| 16:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4476 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Improve clarity and usability of issuing rules interface |
| 16:51 | wizzyrea | no, that's not it |
| 16:52 | bug 5437 | |
| 16:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5437 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , smart-rule improvements |
| 16:52 | wizzyrea | but no patch for that. |
| 16:53 | nengard_lunch | okay, thanks |
| 16:53 | wizzyrea | dunno it would have been in that raft of biblibre stuff |
| 16:59 | chris_n | the entire thought of error trapping needs to be re-worked in koha |
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| 16:59 | chris_n | heya cait |
| 16:59 | cait | hi chris_n |
| 16:59 | chris_n | the vast majority of errors should be trapped and intelligible messages returned to the user and informative messages logged on the back end |
| 17:00 | imho the software should rarely croak | |
| 17:00 | </rant> | |
| 17:01 | cait | what was this rant about? |
| 17:01 | chris_n | nearly useless error messages |
| 17:02 | re bug 8003 | |
| 17:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8003 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Tag "" is not a valid tag. at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2045 |
| 17:02 | jcamins | What are we ranting about? |
| 17:02 | Oh, yeah. | |
| 17:02 | chris_n | se above |
| 17:02 | jcamins | Good rant. :) |
| 17:02 | I agree. | |
| 17:02 | pastebot | "chris_n" at 63.162.197.228 pasted "RM Tool Notes" (15 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/360 |
| 17:03 | chris_n | jcamins: ^^ |
| 17:03 | jcamins | Woohoo! |
| 17:03 | chris_n++ | |
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| 17:03 | chris_n | I think all of those are in the repo |
| 17:03 | jcamins | Yes they are. |
| 17:03 | chris_n | they "work" to varying degrees of definitions |
| 17:03 | of the word | |
| 17:04 | jcamins | Fair enough. |
| 17:04 | chris_n | get_commits.pl has lots of potential |
| 17:04 | jcamins | Is there a reason that RMaint doesn't do the Debian packages, too? |
| 17:04 | chris_n | it should be preferred to cherry-pick.sh |
| 17:04 | because thus far we have not had one with the correct intelligence to handle that ;-) | |
| 17:05 | JoeLib001 | Will the Debian Repositories be updated to Koha 3.8? |
| 17:05 | * chris_n | speaks for himself |
| 17:05 | jcamins | JoeLib001: at some point, yes. |
| 17:05 | wizzyrea | JoeLib001: yes, soon. They always lag a bit behind. |
| 17:05 | jcamins | Oh, I know why the RMaint doesn't do it. |
| 17:05 | Because only eythian can sign the packages. | |
| 17:05 | chris_n | jcamins: get_commits.pl can be a bit finicky |
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| 17:06 | chris_n | and probably needs revisiting with the re-definition and addition of fields in bz |
| 17:06 | cait | chris_n++ :) |
| 17:06 | chris_n | roll_release.sh is your friend |
| 17:06 | cait | jcamins++ :) |
| 17:06 | chris_n | a very good friend I might add |
| 17:06 | paul_p would have had a much nice start of vacation had he had it in hand ;-) | |
| 17:07 | and get_bugs.pl will save hours of time as well | |
| 17:10 | jcamins | At some point I'll RMaint on a server, or at least a computer that isn't my laptop, and have a cron job that automatically tries cherry-picking newly committed bug fixes to 3.6-testing, and alerts me whether they'll apply or not. |
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| 17:15 | chris_n | get_commits.pl is your friend |
| 17:15 | pardon the hackishness of the code | |
| 17:15 | time was not my friend there :-) | |
| 17:15 | jcamins | :) |
| 17:15 | chris_n | so many ideas, so little time |
| 17:16 | but the entire thing should be automat-ible | |
| 17:16 | however the semi-dependency of order of commits presents a smallish issue | |
| 17:16 | jcamins | I will have a similar situation. |
| 17:17 | chris_n | if a commit in a subset of commits fails, the entire subset must needs be reverted in order to continue forward |
| 17:18 | the problem compounds exponentially when we consider that the said subset of commits maybe spread over a long time period | |
| 17:18 | and interspersed with various other commits which are unrelated | |
| 17:19 | now, when a commit fails to apply, where have we been and where are we going? | |
| 17:20 | jcamins | Hopefully with two RMaints we'll be able to make some progress on solving that. |
| 17:26 | * chris_n | tries to imagine an async git repo |
| 17:26 | chris_n | anyway, let me know if I can help you in any way, and I'll do my best |
| 17:29 | jcamins | Thanks! :) |
| 17:30 | cait | wizzyrea: fennel salad for dinner tonight :) |
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| 17:31 | chris_n | fennel++ |
| 17:31 | smeagol | Why do you have to refer to *.tmpl files in .pl scripts if Koha is using .tt (template toolkit)? |
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| 17:33 | smeagol | ie...my ($template, $borrowernumber, $cookie) = get_template_and_user({template_name => "tools/inventory.tmpl", |
| 17:33 | jcamins | smeagol: you don't have to. In fact, ".tmpl" needs to be changed to ".tt" at some point. |
| 17:33 | smeagol: there's a shim that translates ".tmpl" to ".tt" in get_template_and_user. | |
| 17:38 | smeagol | ok, thanks. I figured there was some kind of reference going on, but wasn't sure where...thanks. |
| 17:43 | jcamins | You should be using .tt on new files. |
| 17:47 | smeagol | Right... |
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| 18:16 | chris_n | someone needs to walk sed down through the pl scripts and fix that |
| 18:29 | jcamins | chris_n: so is the quote of the day feature ready for sign off? |
| 18:29 | Not that I can sign off right this moment. | |
| 18:46 | chris_n | jcamins: I'm doing some cleanup and some UI improvements |
| 18:46 | it should be ready by the end of the week | |
| 18:47 | I'd love for oleonard and the UI folks from biblibre to have a look at the UI stuff as well | |
| 18:47 | * chris_n | is not much of a UI designer |
| 18:48 | libsysguy | chris_n on the backend |
| 18:48 | kind of has a ring to it | |
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| 19:06 | mveron | Hi #koha |
| 19:09 | mbalmer | wer wandert so spaet durch nacht und wind? es ist der veron, der den letzten patch nicht find't! |
| 19:09 | ;) | |
| 19:10 | mveron | :-) |
| 19:13 | wizzyrea | yum fennel |
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| 19:15 | cait | wizzyrea: very yum :) |
| 19:50 | * chris_n | give up |
| 19:52 | jcamins | chris_n: uh-oh. |
| 19:55 | chris_n | trying to get datatables to apply jQuery markup and classes is not working for what ever reason |
| 19:55 | and its not monday or friday :-) | |
| 19:56 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 19:56 | Hm. | |
| 19:56 | Bribe oleonard? | |
| 19:57 | chris_n | well, the docs say its a simple boolean switch |
| 19:58 | but then the gulf between the docs and reality is often quite wide | |
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| 20:20 | jcamins | New to Koha on 3.0? Whoops. |
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| 20:24 | jcamins | Whoah. |
| 20:24 | Harvard++ | |
| 20:25 | Harvard has released their records under CC0: http://isites.harvard.edu/icb/[…]id=icb.page498373 | |
| 20:25 | Someone should load all those into a Koha installation, see what happens. :D | |
| 20:25 | Someone with a much bigger hard drive than I have. | |
| 20:32 | mveron: why is bug 7563 in discussion? | |
| 20:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7563 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, veron, In Discussion , Silent print slips using Firefox PlugIn jsPrintSetup and new staff client preference |
| 20:32 | jcamins | I don't see anyone talking about it. |
| 20:33 | mveron | jcamns: Sorry, I mistaked. Seems that I have a Bug in theg and wanted to remove "Needs signoff" Shoud I put "NEW"? |
| 20:34 | jcamins: Sorry, misspelled... | |
| 20:34 | jcamins | mveron: why don't you want it to be "needs signoff"? |
| 20:34 | You'd set it back to ASSIGNED if the patch isn't ready for signing off. | |
| 20:34 | mveron | jcamins: Becase I just detected a gitch in it |
| 20:34 | glitch | |
| 20:35 | jcamins | Setting the status to "In discussion" implies that there is conflict about the functionality, and setting it to NEW implies that no one is working on it. |
| 20:35 | Okay, in that case you should set it to ASSIGNED. :) | |
| 20:35 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 20:35 | also, I approve of this | |
| 20:36 | mveron | Thanks for the advise :-) |
| 20:36 | jcamins | You're very welcome. Very cool feature. :) |
| 20:37 | mveron | jcamins: Oh, thanks. It works well in a prerlease version at our testsite in Basel. |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | yea, that's been a problem forever. |
| 20:39 | glad you found that FF plugin - I was looking for something like that but a couple of years ago when I was looking I don't think it was around | |
| 20:46 | mveron | wizzyrea:There seems to be a similar thing for IE but I did not find it. Hmm, I don't uese E very often, anyway... |
| 20:46 | wizzyrea | meh, IE |
| 20:46 | * wizzyrea | is still wondering if people who use IE just don't know that the web isn't broken. |
| 20:46 | mveron | Should put my glasses... |
| 20:47 | * mveron | Thiks about all the poor people who have to work with... |
| 20:47 | mveron | Thinks... |
| 20:47 | wahanui | thinks is, like, FF/Ubuntu problem may be because he didn't restart FF |
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| 20:58 | wizzyrea | forget thinks |
| 20:58 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot thinks |
| 21:17 | mveron | Good night #koha |
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