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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:10 | * slef | falls asleep, but thanks rangi |
| 00:21 | melia left #koha | |
| 00:25 | eythian_ joined #koha | |
| 00:52 | rangi | w00t |
| 00:52 | http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]lastBuild/console | |
| 00:55 | druthb joined #koha | |
| 00:55 | druthb | o/ |
| 00:55 | rangi | hey druthb |
| 00:56 | druthb | hi, rangi! *hug* |
| 00:57 | rangi | hows the choir going? |
| 00:58 | druthb | wonderfully! I had something really amazing happen monday before last during our tea break. |
| 00:58 | rangi | oh? |
| 00:59 | druthb | They announced that board elections are coming up, and they need at least five, and up to eleven, to join the board. So I was thinking over throwing my hat in the ring, and two current board members came up and asked me if I'd accept a nomination from them. |
| 00:59 | rangi | excellent :) |
| 01:00 | druthb | To the kid who always got picked last, and who has *never* been the go-to, this was just huge. Took all I had not to cry like a lil girl. |
| 01:00 | rangi | heh :) |
| 01:00 | matts_away joined #koha | |
| 01:01 | druthb | Kind of emboldend me a lil, I guess...today, I joined PerlMonks, and am one point away from no longer being an Initiate. |
| 01:01 | rangi | oohh well done |
| 01:01 | druthb | answered a couple of questions, helped on one...and racked up 19 XP. |
| 01:01 | rangi | sweet |
| 01:02 | we should start kohamonks.org | |
| 01:02 | we already have actual monks :) | |
| 01:02 | * druthb | puts on her robes. |
| 01:03 | druthb | The only thing is, there, they've decided against having gender-centric terms for us fems. All the titles are masculine forms. |
| 01:03 | * druthb | would be a Koha nun. ;-) |
| 01:06 | chants "pie jesu domine", and whacks herself on the forehead with a flat board. | |
| 01:08 | rangi | heh |
| 01:08 | ibeardslee | harder |
| 01:09 | druthb | :P |
| 01:09 | ago43 joined #koha | |
| 01:09 | rangi | http://div.libriotech.no/koham[…]status-gbsd10.txt |
| 01:34 | ago43 joined #koha | |
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| 02:04 | ibeardslee | rangi: would you have anyone in mind to back you up for those sessions? |
| 02:05 | rangi | maybe chrish .. maybe kristina .. dont want to volunteer ppl without checking tho |
| 02:05 | ibeardslee | eg in the event asking for hot chips on the Friday night goes wrong ;) |
| 02:06 | rangi | heh, i think chrish or robin |
| 02:08 | ibeardslee | I think eythian would probably usually be out on the Saturday. |
| 02:09 | rangi | yup |
| 02:10 | ibeardslee | anyway email inbound |
| 02:10 | rangi | ta |
| 02:11 | !jenkins build Master_Packages now | |
| 02:11 | jenkins_koha | rangi: job Master_Packages build scheduled now |
| 02:17 | cjh_ | rangi: is this regarding the minion training? |
| 02:18 | rangi: I was going to volunteer but assumed you wouldnt need help, id be more than happy to come in on a saturday. | |
| 02:18 | rangi | its more for backup |
| 02:18 | if you could cover saturdays if i was sick etc .. and eythian_ cover tuesday evening .. | |
| 02:18 | then that would work | |
| 02:19 | cjh_ | im also available tues evening after 4:30, but whatever works :) |
| 02:19 | although eythian would be in office anyway. | |
| 02:19 | rangi | cool yep |
| 02:19 | sweet | |
| 02:19 | eythian_ | what am I volunteering for? |
| 02:20 | rangi | heh |
| 02:20 | ibeardslee | Nick Smith's portfolios |
| 02:20 | eythian_ | eh? |
| 02:20 | rangi | some of the academy kids expressed an interest in doing some ongoing work .. so a couple of hours every tuesday |
| 02:20 | eythian_ | ah right |
| 02:20 | rangi | we picked tuesday, cos thast when perlmongers is |
| 02:21 | so if they want on those nights they can stay on for that too | |
| 02:21 | eythian_bucklame | makes sense. I'm also able to be free on Tuesdays if need be (unlike last year when training was that night so I took off a bit earlier) |
| 02:21 | rangi | sweet |
| 02:22 | ibeardslee | sounds like we have something happening .. now to get people interested |
| 03:09 | rangi | https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamai[…]_1980896496_n.jpg |
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| 05:06 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
| 05:06 | i need help setting up Koha | |
| 05:07 | on Debian, I have followed this: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze and now I am at the login prompt of the web installer, and it is asking for username password | |
| 05:07 | what username and password? | |
| 05:07 | wahanui | i heard username and password was correct |
| 05:22 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 05:27 | Oak | found it |
| 05:35 | anyone around? | |
| 05:49 | cait joined #koha | |
| 05:54 | Oak | cait! |
| 05:54 | i need bit of help | |
| 05:54 | cait | Happy birthday! |
| 05:54 | Oak | oh well. thanks. |
| 05:55 | cait | wrong day again? |
| 05:55 | Oak | nope |
| 05:55 | cait | you don't like birthdays? |
| 05:55 | Oak | nope |
| 05:55 | well, not mine. | |
| 05:56 | anyway, the help part. | |
| 05:57 | Koha on Debian is installed and http://10.16.18.71:8080/ works fine. Now how do I configure the OPAC? entering IP address of the pc in my local network just returns: "It works! This is the default web page for this server." | |
| 05:57 | Oak_ joined #koha | |
| 05:57 | Oak_ | did you get the help question? or was I disconnected? |
| 05:58 | Koha on Debian is installed and http://10.16.18.71:8080/ works fine. Now how do I configure the OPAC? entering IP address of the pc in my local network just returns: "It works! This is the default web page for this server." | |
| 05:58 | cait | hm |
| 05:58 | I thin kyou have to deactivate sth | |
| 05:58 | I am trying to remember | |
| 05:59 | which manual did you use for installation? | |
| 05:59 | Oak_ | here is my /etc/apache2/sites-available/... file: http://pastebin.com/TsMtSkmP |
| 05:59 | http://www.google.com.pk/url?s[…]jeJCai01Ulq_XZWNg | |
| 05:59 | crap | |
| 05:59 | this one: wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.6_on_Debian_Squeeze | |
| 06:00 | what's "sth"? | |
| 06:09 | cait | something |
| 06:09 | :) | |
| 06:09 | oh | |
| 06:09 | let me check | |
| 06:09 | ah you used the packages | |
| 06:10 | Oak | yes |
| 06:11 | all i did is this: http://pastebin.com/KSSGy9Yd | |
| 06:11 | cait | hm |
| 06:11 | I am perhaps the wrong person to ask | |
| 06:12 | I think you have to deactivate the standard page from apache perhaps | |
| 06:12 | but I don't see in the manuals how to do that | |
| 06:12 | Oak | sudo a2dissite default ? http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]AC-td4513503.html |
| 06:14 | should I run that command and see what happens? | |
| 06:14 | cait | http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]AC-td4513503.html |
| 06:14 | ah | |
| 06:14 | you found the same :) | |
| 06:14 | I think what liz wrote ther | |
| 06:14 | Oak | cool, let me try |
| 06:15 | \o/ | |
| 06:15 | worke | |
| 06:15 | d | |
| 06:15 | thank you cait! :) | |
| 06:17 | now me go. | |
| 06:48 | skk joined #koha | |
| 06:49 | skk | i have a quick question we have koha 3.04.07 can we straight upgrade to 3.06.02 with cofigure make and make upgrade commands or we need to do anything else |
| 06:52 | cait | 3.4 to 3.6 should not reqiure running any additional scripts or something, if you meant that |
| 06:52 | there might be some new dependencies noted in the release notes | |
| 06:53 | skk | those if it ask i will download but my worry was with regular upgrade commands anything else as well need to be done hence before doing this i wanted to verify |
| 06:56 | cait | it's recommended to dump your database and keep it safe somewhere before doing an update |
| 06:56 | rangi | why 3.6.2 not 3.6.4 ? |
| 06:56 | cait | and ideally run through the process on a test server first |
| 06:57 | skk | i was thinking i should go from 3.6.2 then to 3.6.4 but if i can go straight and if it wont create any problems then will use 3.6.4 |
| 06:58 | rangi | well 3.6.2 was the 3rd 3.6.x release, theres nothing special about it .. no reason to go to it first |
| 06:58 | skk | thanks a lot! |
| 06:59 | will try straight upgrade from 3.04.07 to 3.06.04 | |
| 07:00 | cait | have fun :) |
| 07:03 | skk | we were getting error while running reports in 3.4.7 undefined subroutine &C4::Reports::Guided::themelanguage called at /usr/share/ko ha/lib/C4/Reports/Guided.pm line 714 . hence we wanted to check if this error can be rectified in new version |
| 07:14 | eythian_bucklame joined #koha | |
| 07:14 | rangi | dorkland in the house |
| 07:20 | magnuse | kia ora eythian_bucklame, rangi and #koha! |
| 07:21 | julian_m joined #koha | |
| 07:27 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:28 | magnuse | bonjour l'hackfest! |
| 07:29 | mveron joined #koha | |
| 07:30 | mveron | Bonjour, #koha @ Marseille and worldwide |
| 07:30 | magnuse | hiya mveron |
| 07:34 | mveron | magnuse: I saw in the newsletter the note about Kohaat the Oslo and Akershus University College of Applied Sciences |
| 07:35 | It is a good story to tell | |
| 07:35 | magnuse | yeah, they rock! :-) |
| 07:35 | mveron | Do yo have more information about? - Would like to write something on our (future) Website |
| 07:36 | magnuse | depends on what you want to know |
| 07:37 | laurence joined #koha | |
| 07:37 | mveron | Just "soft news", something I could use in a blog or in an article |
| 07:38 | magnuse | well, i don't really have that much more detail than what was in the newsletter |
| 07:40 | yay for 5549 passing qa! | |
| 07:43 | mveron | magnuse: OK, thanks. Will take the info as is. |
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| 07:57 | map | hi |
| 07:57 | wahanui | bonjour, map |
| 07:57 | rangi | hmm cait kicked out the plug at biblibre |
| 07:58 | map | how can i create bard code for koha |
| 07:58 | ? | |
| 07:58 | while am trying to create am not getting proper bar codes for my books | |
| 07:58 | can anyone help me ? | |
| 07:59 | i am new in koha | |
| 08:12 | mveron | map: I'm quite new as well. Maybe: Administration->System Preferences->Cataloging preferences->Record Structure->autoBarcode |
| 08:12 | and: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]ion.html#catprefs 1.4.3.2 autoBarcode | |
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| 08:21 | rangi | http://virtualbreath.net/curio[…]1/squashing-bugs/ |
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| 08:22 | eythian_bucklame | rangi: nightline at 10.30 is apparently having a look inside the Chch library. |
| 08:23 | rangi | oh, ill keep an eye out |
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| 08:32 | sophie_m joined #koha | |
| 08:33 | sophie_m | hi #koha |
| 08:34 | cait | hi sophie_m :) |
| 08:35 | sophie_m | :-) |
| 08:40 | Joubu joined #koha | |
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| 08:50 | Joubu | hi all |
| 08:52 | cait | hi Joubu |
| 08:53 | map | hai any one there |
| 08:53 | sorry | |
| 08:53 | i was not here | |
| 09:04 | paul_p | hello #koha |
| 09:05 | cait | hello paul_p :) |
| 09:06 | map | hai |
| 09:06 | i am new in koha | |
| 09:06 | wahanui | i already had it that way, map. |
| 09:07 | cait | hi map |
| 09:07 | welcome to #koha | |
| 09:07 | map | i hai cati |
| 09:07 | sorry | |
| 09:07 | cait | |
| 09:07 | how r u | |
| 09:07 | ? | |
| 09:07 | actually i am trying to do the barcode field for my koha | |
| 09:07 | but am not able to do it properly | |
| 09:08 | can u help me for that | |
| 09:08 | cait | I am sorry, not sure i understand your questions |
| 09:08 | what are you trying to do? exactly? | |
| 09:08 | you have a working koha installation? | |
| 09:08 | map | yah |
| 09:08 | cait | which version of koha did you install? |
| 09:08 | map | koha is working |
| 09:08 | and now we are doing data entry for adding books | |
| 09:09 | 3.6 | |
| 09:09 | i think not sure | |
| 09:09 | only bar coding is the problem for me now | |
| 09:09 | cait | ok |
| 09:10 | so do you want to use preprinted barcodes? or print barcodes with koha? | |
| 09:10 | map | i want to print barcode with koha |
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| 09:10 | map | i like to get accession number as my barcode |
| 09:10 | cait | I think first ting you want to do |
| 09:11 | map | so it is easy for us to detect |
| 09:11 | cait | is make koha assign barcodes numbers automatically |
| 09:11 | there is a setting in the system preferences: autobarcode | |
| 09:11 | administration > system preferences | |
| 09:11 | and search there for autobarcode | |
| 09:11 | map | okay |
| 09:11 | cait | manual? |
| 09:11 | wahanui | manual is, like, at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation |
| 09:11 | cait | and for the barcode printing |
| 09:11 | you might want to take a look at the manual | |
| 09:11 | and the video toturials from nicole | |
| 09:12 | video tutorials? | |
| 09:12 | wahanui | video tutorials are http://bywatersolutions.com/se[…]/tutorial-videos/ |
| 09:12 | map | is it possible we can use our accession nuber as barcodes |
| 09:12 | ? | |
| 09:13 | are u therew? | |
| 09:13 | *there | |
| 09:13 | ? | |
| 09:13 | cait | you have to store it in the barcode field then |
| 09:13 | there is a barcode scheme using the year | |
| 09:13 | perhaps this will fit your needs | |
| 09:13 | you can also use independent numbes, there is a seaparate field for inventory numbers | |
| 09:13 | map | okay |
| 09:14 | okay | |
| 09:14 | let me check | |
| 09:14 | cait | perhaps try and get a look at the forms and item fields and options |
| 09:14 | map | okay |
| 09:14 | cait | so you get a better idea about what you can do |
| 09:14 | map | if u dont mind can i get ur facebook id or gmail id |
| 09:14 | so that i can contact u later | |
| 09:16 | cait | I think #koha is the best place to ask questons |
| 09:16 | there is always someone around | |
| 09:16 | and we have the mailing lists | |
| 09:16 | mailing lists? | |
| 09:16 | wahanui | mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 09:16 | cait | so lots of people can help you |
| 09:16 | map | thank you so much |
| 09:16 | dear | |
| 09:17 | cait | you are welcome |
| 09:17 | where are you from map? | |
| 09:17 | map | INDIA |
| 09:17 | where u from | |
| 09:17 | ? | |
| 09:17 | cait | germany, but currently at the koha hackfest in marseille, france |
| 09:18 | map | okay |
| 09:18 | rangi | @wunder marseille |
| 09:18 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 13.0°C (10:00 AM CET on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:18 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
| 09:18 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (10:00 PM NZDT on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Falling). |
| 09:19 | map | and you are an IT professional |
| 09:19 | ? | |
| 09:19 | cait | mostly a librarian |
| 09:19 | map | okay |
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| 09:19 | cait | hey juan_laptop |
| 09:19 | map | now am in the field of record structure field in koha |
| 09:20 | cal u explaing me how can i modified ? | |
| 09:20 | cait | the frameworks are a big topic |
| 09:20 | map | k |
| 09:20 | cait | I think I would try to figure out the other parts of koha first |
| 09:21 | there are lots of options, but going with the defualt frameworks at the beginning is a bit easier | |
| 09:21 | I suggest you go to administration | |
| 09:21 | and work your way down there | |
| 09:21 | setting the basic parameters | |
| 09:21 | map | okay |
| 09:21 | cait | and then try to add a few records, patrons |
| 09:21 | try to circulate | |
| 09:21 | map | i am talking abut bar code |
| 09:22 | actually i just need to generate bar code from my accession number | |
| 09:22 | now can i do that | |
| 09:22 | cait | whatever you save in the barcode field |
| 09:22 | can be printed out | |
| 09:23 | on the barode labels | |
| 09:24 | map | actually its a number only if i entered the number there is it ll generate barcode? |
| 09:25 | cait | sorry, I don't understand oyur question |
| 09:25 | map | okay |
| 09:25 | example am having an accession number test01 | |
| 09:25 | how can i make its barcode for koha | |
| 09:26 | can u explane it for me | |
| 09:26 | cait | yes |
| 09:26 | but you have to save it to the barcode field | |
| 09:26 | and you can follow the video tutorial | |
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| 09:26 | map | where it is actually |
| 09:26 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 09:26 | cait | video tutorials? |
| 09:26 | video tutorial? | |
| 09:26 | http://bywatersolutions.com/se[…]/tutorial-videos/ | |
| 09:26 | wahanui | video tutorials are http://bywatersolutions.com/se[…]/tutorial-videos/ |
| 09:27 | map | okay let me check dear |
| 09:27 | and get back to u | |
| 09:28 | juan_laptop | hi cait |
| 09:30 | eythian_bucklame | rangi: maybe it was tv3 news, as the video is online here: http://www.3news.co.nz/VIDEO-F[…]7536/Default.aspx ... perhaps nightline is just doing a recap |
| 09:32 | rangi | ahh |
| 09:32 | yeah thats plausible | |
| 09:33 | oleonard | Hi rangi and eythian_bucklame, so nice to see you in my morning for a change |
| 09:34 | rangi | heya oleonard |
| 09:34 | wahanui | oleonard is the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler |
| 09:34 | eythian_bucklame | oleonard: hiya |
| 09:34 | slef | hi all |
| 09:34 | wahanui: correct! | |
| 09:34 | wahanui | slef: sorry... |
| 09:35 | oleonard | I just finished giving our "ergonomy" group a tour of Koha interaction patterns as I understand them in the staff client |
| 09:35 | Documentation to follow, slowly. cait was kind enough to take notes | |
| 09:35 | cait | she tried to... not sure it makes sense |
| 09:35 | rangi | heh |
| 09:36 | well i can never read my own notes, so its bound to be better than that | |
| 09:37 | cait | I typed them |
| 09:37 | eythian_bucklame | *I * it's *. ... I can barely read your typing ;) |
| 09:37 | cait | so it should be better in that aspect |
| 09:38 | rangi | eythian_bucklame: heh |
| 09:40 | eythian_bucklame | rangi: oh, it's on tv now |
| 09:41 | rangi | ahh id just turned it all off |
| 09:41 | eythian_bucklame | it's a real mess |
| 09:41 | 300,000 books on the floor | |
| 09:41 | rangi | yeah, that's what id heard ;( |
| 09:41 | eythian_bucklame | they said that at least the building remained waterproof. |
| 09:41 | given the rain and snowstorms they had | |
| 09:42 | slef | wow whassat? |
| 09:42 | eythian_bucklame | I think they said they're going to warehouse books and you can request them. Probably a good temporary scheme. |
| 09:43 | slef: they finally got access to Chch library after the quake over a year ago. | |
| 09:43 | oleonard | Wow |
| 09:44 | slef | ouch |
| 09:44 | eythian_bucklame | yeah, it's one of the few buildings still standing in it's area, mostly because it was built to hold a lot of weight I guess. |
| 09:44 | slef | eythian_bucklame: yeah, Norwich warehoused books after its library burnt down in 1994, until the new one opened in 2000ish |
| 09:45 | eythian_bucklame | slef: yeah, they're not sure if they can fix the building or if it'll have to be rebuilt. |
| 09:45 | slef | eythian_bucklame: one of the larger branch libraries was used as a temporary main library with the most popular books in it, the rest in IIRC an ex-nuclear-bunker. |
| 09:45 | eythian_bucklame | I guess a nuclear bunker isn't going to burn down :) |
| 09:46 | asaurat | it still can be flooded ;) |
| 09:46 | eythian_bucklame | I linked to the video (which seems to have terrible sound, and/or flash just sucks) above which'll give you an idea. |
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| 09:46 | eythian_bucklame | true :) |
| 09:46 | slef | asaurat: it's in the hills |
| 09:47 | eythian_bucklame | alright, time for bed for me I think. Later all. |
| 09:47 | slef | eythian_bucklame: yeah, flash, so 1990s. html5++ |
| 09:47 | eythian_bucklame | yep. If only companies wouldn't damage the standards process. |
| 09:47 | *company's | |
| 09:47 | no wait | |
| 09:47 | the first one | |
| 09:47 | wahanui | the first one is, like, the easiest, but you can't do anything very interesting with it |
| 09:47 | oleonard | slef: Flash or patented video codecs, how do we choose? :) |
| 09:47 | eythian_bucklame | really time for bed. |
| 09:48 | oleonard: you choose open video codecs :) | |
| 09:48 | byebye | |
| 09:48 | slef | oleonard: software patents are prohibited by law here, so that's simple ;-) |
| 09:48 | eythian_bucklame: night | |
| 09:49 | * oleonard | must have awoken from a bad dream |
| 09:50 | slef | oleonard: yeah, it's called moving to Europe, isn't it? ;) |
| 09:51 | francharb | 0/ #koha |
| 10:10 | mtj | hi #koha, how many hours time the irc meeting? |
| 10:12 | ah, 8 hours from now :) | |
| 10:12 | oleonard | WolframAlpha is telling me 8 hours, is that right? |
| 10:12 | Well, at least you and I will be there then mtj :) | |
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| 10:13 | mtj | heya owen :) |
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| 10:20 | libsysguy | seen rangi |
| 10:20 | wahanui | rangi was last seen on #koha 39 minutes and 10 seconds ago, saying: yeah, that's what id heard ;( [Wed Mar 21 09:41:36 2012] |
| 10:21 | libsysguy | rangi was what you heard that hourly failed... |
| 10:36 | oleonard | libsysguy, sekjal passed it, but it seems new issues were discovered here at Hackfest |
| 10:36 | libsysguy | yeah I was noticing that |
| 10:36 | im looking into them now | |
| 10:37 | * libsysguy | is trying to reproduce |
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| 11:21 | magnus_afk | jcamins++ for channeling me on bug 7092 :-) |
| 11:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7092 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Passed QA , Complete-subfield searches TraceCompleteSubfields syspref not working correctly |
| 11:21 | jcamins | magnus_afk: hehe. |
| 11:24 | paul_p | cait++ (for analytical record) |
| 11:24 | work like a charm in UNIMARC ;-) | |
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| 11:29 | jcamins | Okay, everyone cross your fingers that the contractors really do finishtoday. |
| 11:32 | oleonard | Am I allowed to sign off on cait's patches today? We're working in the same office! :) |
| 11:33 | Lunch time! | |
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| 11:35 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6831 follow-up: add support for UNIMARC and NORMARC <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]cfa24523a8b1bdd1c> / Bug 6831: Add ability to enter adding child record from parent <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a22121b1db762aeba> / Bug 5657: Changes made to sub merge to eliminate errors occuring when updating bibio... <h |
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| 11:46 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #667 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 12:21 | * slef | edits http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]:_Call_For_Papers to try to do Brooke's suggestions. |
| 12:21 | slef | Anyone know if it's possible to lengthen my wiki login expiry? Do I need to ask an admin? |
| 12:22 | magnus_afk | slef! |
| 12:23 | slef | magnus_afk: here, I want a word with you! |
| 12:23 | magnus_afk | so i gather... |
| 12:24 | slef | :) |
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| 12:27 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #667: SUCCESS in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/667/ |
| 12:27 | * ian.walls: Enhancement 7144: Floating Collections (per branch/itemtype) | |
| 12:27 | * paul.poulain: Bug 7144 follow-up cleaning for HTML4 coding guideline | |
| 12:27 | * paul.poulain: Bug 7144 followup DBrev number | |
| 12:27 | * paul.poulain: Bug 7144 string follow-up: reordering text | |
| 12:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7144 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Floating collection |
| 12:27 | jenkins_koha | * januszop: Bug 5657: Changes made to sub merge to eliminate errors occuring when updating bibio records in batch (after updating multiple authority records) |
| 12:27 | * colin.campbell: Bug 6831: Add ability to enter adding child record from parent | |
| 12:27 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6831 follow-up: add support for UNIMARC and NORMARC | |
| 12:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5657 normal, P3, ---, januszop, Pushed to Master , biblio records update fails when updating multiple authorities linked with the same biblio |
| 12:27 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6831 enhancement, P2, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Enhanced Workflow for adding analytical records | |
| 12:28 | skk | we upgraded our koha from 3.2.10 to 3.4.8 to 3.6.4 while running upgrade we had also ran remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl command after running rebuild_Zebra command we are unable to see all bound volumes data when koha database is checked in phpMyAdmin in items table we are able to see all these items |
| 12:28 | my query is how to get all these bound volumes in opac and main koha are we missing anything | |
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| 12:36 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
| 12:36 | when adding a new record in Koha, the 100 a (Personal Name) field is locked. I went to Administration > System Preferences > Authorities and set BiblioAddsAuthorities to "Allow" and saved, was that supposed to unlock the 100 a field? | |
| 12:36 | it's still locked. | |
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| 12:44 | libsysguy | sekjal you around |
| 12:45 | sekjal | libsysguy: yup |
| 12:45 | working on 5549 | |
| 12:45 | libsysguy | dude I was looking at that this morning too |
| 12:45 | slef | Oak: I'd expect it to unlock it but maybe you need to change the framework too. It's been a while since I did a naked setup. |
| 12:45 | bug 5549? | |
| 12:45 | wahanui | rumour has it bug 5549 is libsysguy's white whale |
| 12:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Failed QA , Hourly Loans |
| 12:45 | libsysguy | I don't see how that could possibly happen |
| 12:45 | sekjal | I can't reproduce their renewal problem |
| 12:45 | slef | wahanui++ |
| 12:46 | sekjal | but I do get the 'inverse' error |
| 12:46 | Oak | slef, what do i change in the framework? |
| 12:46 | libsysguy | weird |
| 12:46 | sekjal | working on tracing it out now |
| 12:46 | something to do with fines in days, I think | |
| 12:46 | Oak | the "MARC Bibliographic framework" link? |
| 12:47 | and there edit "Books, Booklets, Workbooks" by clicking on "MARC structure"? | |
| 12:47 | magnus_afk | have fun #koha! |
| 12:47 | Oak | search for 100 |
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| 12:47 | Oak | click subfields? |
| 12:47 | libsysguy | if you look in Koha::Calendar the variable is initialized to a DateTime::Duration object one line above the error |
| 12:48 | Oak | edit 'a', i.e. "Personal Name"? |
| 12:48 | slef | Oak: this sounds wrong to me. Have you checked the FAQ? |
| 12:48 | sekjal | libsysguy: what line? |
| 12:48 | Oak | FAQ... |
| 12:48 | slef | alternatively wait for someone who isn't eyesdeep in admin and code to help :( |
| 12:48 | FAQ? | |
| 12:48 | wahanui | i think FAQ is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ |
| 12:48 | libsysguy | line 96 |
| 12:48 | slef | Oak: if this isn't in there it should be |
| 12:48 | wahanui: BiblioAddsAuthorities? | |
| 12:48 | wahanui | BiblioAddsAuthorities is probably a syspref that lets authorities be created automagically when you add a record. |
| 12:49 | libsysguy | i just did a grep for inverse |
| 12:49 | thats the only place it occurs | |
| 12:49 | so i started there and tried working backwards | |
| 12:49 | sekjal | right, but the error is coming from DateTime::Duration.pm directly |
| 12:49 | in the 'subtract_duration' subroutine | |
| 12:49 | Oak | it is there |
| 12:49 | sekjal | which is called by 'subtract' |
| 12:49 | Oak | but it does not make sense: "These fields are authority controlled and you probably have the BiblioAddsAuthorities set to 'allow'. When it is set to 'don't allow' these fields will be locked and require you to search for an existing authority record. " |
| 12:49 | sekjal | which is called to places in Koha/Calendar.pm |
| 12:49 | s/to/2/ | |
| 12:50 | libsysguy | interesting |
| 12:50 | ok...goes to look further | |
| 12:50 | sekjal | 1 of which is days_between |
| 12:50 | Oak | FAQ: Why can’t I edit 1xx, 6xx, or 7xx fields in my catalog record? Answer: These fields are authority controlled and you probably have the BiblioAddsAuthorities set to 'allow'. When it is set to 'don't allow' these fields will be locked and require you to search for an existing authority record. |
| 12:50 | sekjal | where we just did some work |
| 12:50 | libsysguy | you're obviously ahead of me :p |
| 12:50 | sekjal | so that's my first suspect |
| 12:50 | libsysguy: I've been poking for the last half hour or so | |
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| 12:51 | libsysguy | you know what might nip it in the butt for now is to check to see if start_dt and end_dt are both references |
| 12:51 | skk | can someone help. we upgraded our koha from 3.2.10 to 3.4.8 to 3.6.4. We are unable to see boundvolumes data in kohaadmin as well as in opac. These records are there in koha database when we saw database from phpMyAdmin. My query is how to get these records visible in koha. |
| 12:52 | libsysguy | sekjal if they aren't, convert them with dt_from_string |
| 12:52 | sekjal | yeah, I was just thinking... can you subtract two DateTime::Duration objects like that |
| 12:52 | libsysguy | you mean line 175 |
| 12:53 | sekjal | yes |
| 12:54 | okay, according to stack overflow, you can | |
| 12:55 | libsysguy | oh... |
| 12:55 | http://search.cpan.org/~drolsk[…]etime_Subtraction | |
| 12:56 | sekjal | hmm... that would indicate otherwise |
| 12:56 | slef | skk: did you run the script to change the items format? |
| 12:56 | sekjal | ah, but those are datetimes, not durations |
| 12:56 | slef | (afk for a while) |
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| 12:56 | libsysguy | are we passing it Duration objects or DateTime objects? |
| 12:57 | sekjal | not sure yet |
| 12:57 | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I just say Patrick Jones | |
| 12:57 | s/say/saw/ | |
| 12:57 | his hair seems shorter.... | |
| 12:58 | going into days_between we have two DateTime objects | |
| 12:58 | libsysguy | ok |
| 12:58 | sekjal | on from dt_from_string, the other from DateTime->now() |
| 12:58 | libsysguy | so maybe it would be safer to use the subtract_datetime |
| 12:59 | Oak | sekjal, i have done this but still that field is locked: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]1-May/028962.html |
| 12:59 | sekjal | yes, we'll need to use the datetime subtraction method |
| 12:59 | libsysguy | ok, how do you want to handle that? |
| 13:00 | sekjal | Oak: are you running memcached? |
| 13:00 | libsysguy | I have a patch I need to send to rangi for an error that I found in dropbox returns this morning |
| 13:00 | sekjal | libsysguy: I'm going to test locally and see if it helps |
| 13:00 | libsysguy | ok |
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| 13:00 | Oak | what's memcached? I just installed Koha on Debian for the first time. |
| 13:00 | sekjal | if so, you or I can write up a patch and send to rangi |
| 13:00 | Oak: caching software for better concurrency. if you're not familiar, you probably haven't turned it on | |
| 13:01 | libsysguy | ok, well since you have a test case already in place could you patch and test? |
| 13:01 | or you can send me what you did to make it fail and I can | |
| 13:01 | sekjal | libsysguy: yes |
| 13:01 | Oak | where do i turn it on? just give a clue... |
| 13:01 | wait | |
| 13:01 | i'll google | |
| 13:01 | * libsysguy | feels guilty for having sekjal do all the work |
| 13:01 | sekjal | Oak: if you had memcached turned on, you'd need to reload it for the frameworks to take affect |
| 13:02 | Oak: was just guessing at one easy solution | |
| 13:02 | Oak | where is that setting? |
| 13:02 | sekjal | Oak: set up during the make process |
| 13:02 | libsysguy: no need. you have already done so much | |
| 13:02 | libsysguy | oak but its not default so if you didn't turn it on its not on |
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| 13:02 | sekjal | I want this enhancement in place almost as much as you do |
| 13:03 | Oak | cait! |
| 13:03 | jcamins_away | Happy birthday! |
| 13:03 | libsysguy | its cait's birthday? |
| 13:04 | jcamins_away | No, Oak's. |
| 13:04 | libsysguy | oh! HAPPY BIRTHDAY OAK!! |
| 13:04 | Oak | thank you guys. |
| 13:06 | cait | yes? |
| 13:09 | so what about me? | |
| 13:09 | sekjal | happy birthday, Oak! |
| 13:09 | Oak | thank you so much guys, you are too kind! |
| 13:09 | God bless you all. | |
| 13:09 | :) | |
| 13:13 | * mbalmer | waves at the kohaistas! |
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| 13:14 | tcohen | morning #koha |
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| 13:16 | kmkale | namaste #koha |
| 13:16 | wizzyrea | oh happy birthday oak |
| 13:19 | sekjal | libsysguy: having a hard time fixing this issue |
| 13:19 | I've tried a couple different ways now, to no avail | |
| 13:19 | mbalmer | how do I tell perlcritic to treat 'use Modern::Perl' to be equal to 'use warrnings, use strict' ? i.e what need to be put in ~/.perlcriticrc ? |
| 13:20 | Oak | thank you very very much all :) thank you wizzyrea. |
| 13:21 | libsysguy | hmm |
| 13:21 | maybe its not failing at the point we think it is | |
| 13:22 | * libsysguy | iwll be in and out, had a server fall out last night so im running in a degraded state :-\ |
| 13:23 | wizzyrea | I think we've all been there. |
| 13:23 | jcamins_away | wizzyrea: Committing all the things! |
| 13:23 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 13:23 | oleonard | schema? |
| 13:23 | wahanui | schema is probably tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org |
| 13:23 | oleonard | Thanks wahanui |
| 13:25 | wizzyrea | ...and now you are all going to look at my silly little shell scripts. |
| 13:25 | and wonder if I'm quite sane. | |
| 13:26 | sekjal | libsysguy: I think you're right... I commented out the call to subtract in days_between, and still get the error |
| 13:26 | moving to the other call thereof | |
| 13:28 | libsysguy | did you add a check for ref in days_between sekjal? |
| 13:29 | sekjal | libsysguy: no |
| 13:29 | just commented out the call to subtract, which would be what causes the call to inverse | |
| 13:29 | libsysguy | oh i understand now |
| 13:31 | sekjal | okay, fail |
| 13:31 | mbalmer | no perlcritic users around? |
| 13:32 | * mveron | Likes Perl :-) |
| 13:33 | wizzyrea | mbalmer: does this help any |
| 13:33 | http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]-u-td5157092.html | |
| 13:33 | * mbalmer | rather hates it... |
| 13:33 | paul_p | oleonard = is it correct : Delete records if no items remain ? the same in french would have been spelled "Delete records if no item remain" (no s to item as there's none) |
| 13:33 | * mveron | Swiss people are used to deal wit dialects... |
| 13:34 | oleonard | paul_p, Actually I think you could do it two ways :) |
| 13:34 | Delete records if no items remain | |
| 13:34 | or | |
| 13:34 | wizzyrea | tmtowtdi? |
| 13:34 | wahanui | i think tmtowtdi is there's more than one way to do it |
| 13:34 | oleonard | Delete records if no item remains |
| 13:34 | wizzyrea | whodathunk |
| 13:34 | oleonard | But I think the first is better |
| 13:34 | wizzyrea | Remove bibliographic record when no items remain? |
| 13:34 | paul_p | oleonard if kyle wrote it that way and it's OK, I won't change anything then. now pushing bug 6027 |
| 13:34 | oleonard | The second sounds awkward, at least to my American ears |
| 13:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6027 enhancement, P4, ---, kyle.m.hall, Passed QA , Delete biblios if deleting all their items in batch deletion |
| 13:35 | mbalmer | wizzyrea, many thanks, putting that in .perlcriticrc helped. |
| 13:36 | wizzyrea | yw :) |
| 13:37 | * paul_p | just pushed the tiny patch ever = (bug 7749) |
| 13:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7749 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Not all OKs on the start page are translatable |
| 13:37 | paul_p | s/tiny/tiniest/ |
| 13:38 | => removes one space ! | |
| 13:38 | cait | 2 |
| 13:38 | heh :) | |
| 13:38 | * oleonard | defends his title, claiming a patch which removed only 1 |
| 13:38 | cait | it's not my fault it was an easy fix! |
| 13:39 | gmcharlt | somebody needs to submit a patch that just changes the permissions on a file ... only way to beat oleonard's record |
| 13:39 | * mveron | proud to have signd off 7749 as my first sign off... |
| 13:42 | sekjal | libsysguy: you were right: it looks like it's line 95 (the direct call to inverse) |
| 13:43 | cait | mveron++ |
| 13:43 | wizzyrea | didn't slef do that? |
| 13:44 | submit a patch that only changed the permissions on a file | |
| 13:44 | * oleonard | thought he remembered something like that |
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| 13:48 | slef | wizzyrea: yeah probably. |
| 13:50 | mbalmer | perlcritic is a bastard…… |
| 13:50 | stephan goes mad, I think ;) | |
| 13:56 | sekjal | libsysguy: no, not the call to inverse... though that does look problematic, too |
| 13:56 | or maybe just confusing | |
| 13:59 | paul_p | mveron++ |
| 13:59 | ;-) | |
| 14:01 | the RM is hungry of patches to push :D ... | |
| 14:01 | * paul_p | heads for some patches to QA... |
| 14:01 | paul_p | 26 patches "signed-off" to pick from |
| 14:01 | the biggest part of them being ENH ! | |
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| 14:03 | marcelr | hi koha |
| 14:03 | cait | hi marcelr |
| 14:03 | marcelr | hi cait |
| 14:04 | paul_p: could you head to 7310 ? | |
| 14:04 | cait | i was talking to marijana about your great patch for sru |
| 14:04 | do you think there is a chance to get that rebased and perhaps spend some time on it otmororw? | |
| 14:04 | marcelr | ok |
| 14:04 | cait | perhaps we can figure out here, with the testing librarians |
| 14:04 | what's going wrong for unimarc | |
| 14:05 | or were there other problems? | |
| 14:05 | or could you split out some of the features? | |
| 14:05 | I am not sure how to approach this | |
| 14:05 | marcelr | no time for it tomorrow, i am afraid; problems are at the unimarc side |
| 14:05 | cait | hm ok |
| 14:05 | marcelr | i am running this in production for one year already |
| 14:05 | cait | if not tomorrow I fear it will not be done this week |
| 14:05 | I know | |
| 14:05 | and I think it's a great feature | |
| 14:05 | marcelr | me too ;) |
| 14:06 | cait | yeah, I want to help to get it into koha |
| 14:06 | marcelr | i think i must split it |
| 14:07 | sekjal | libsysguy: my research is leading my in circles |
| 14:08 | back to sub _FixFineDaysOnReturn | |
| 14:08 | that's got to be it | |
| 14:08 | solution: just drop support for suspension in days :-p | |
| 14:08 | oleonard | cait, follow-up attached to Bug 5482 |
| 14:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5482 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Translation problem in guided reports - Item field names |
| 14:16 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #668 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 14:16 | sekjal | libsysguy: I think I've nailed down the culprit |
| 14:17 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: bug 7092 follow-up: DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]24f97dff74c5c18ea> / Bug 7092 - Complete-subfield searches TraceCompleteSubfields syspref not working... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]bf2275a81a1f8a3a7> / Bug 7734: NO_LIBRARY_SET should be translatable <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koh |
| 14:18 | sekjal | around line 1800 of C4/Circulation.pm. the handling of fine day intervals has not caught up. mixing apples and oranges |
| 14:18 | time for my first session of the day... but I'll try to poke at it more as I have time today | |
| 14:29 | matts | paul_p, http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7767 |
| 14:29 | huginn | 04Bug 7767: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , acqui/basketgroup.pl: our $template scoping |
| 14:30 | paul_p | matts c'est pas un patch ca ! c'est la sortie d'un diff ! |
| 14:30 | un patch, ca commence par ca: | |
| 14:30 | From 0e84678b1ec58c6a1672528f9516cb800bc4eb96 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 | |
| 14:30 | From: =?UTF-8?q?St=C3=A9phane=20Delaune?= <stephane.delaunebiblibre.com> |
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| 14:30 | matts | -_- |
| 14:30 | paul_p | Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 12:12:16 +0100 |
| 14:30 | Subject: [PATCH] Bug 4032:XSLT systempreference takes a path to file rather | |
| 14:30 | than YesNo | |
| 14:30 | --- | |
| 14:30 | C4/Search.pm | 3 +- | |
| 14:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4032 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, stephane.delaune, Needs Signoff , XSLT systempreference should take a path to file rather than YesNo |
| 14:30 | matts | effectively indeed bon sûr c'est bien sang ! |
| 14:30 | paul_p | matts : ptet pas la sortie d'un diff, mais ca a une drole de tête |
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| 14:41 | dpavlin | plack omnibus patch: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7172 |
| 14:41 | huginn | 04Bug 7172: major, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Data Persistency |
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| 14:46 | cait | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Con12_logo_design |
| 14:47 | data_doctor | Looks Great! |
| 14:58 | edveal | Anyone out there experiencing issues with css for #opac-main-search on IE. I have a number of sites that all of a sudden the background images or color they have is not showing on IE. I have IE 8 only for testing. |
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| 14:59 | oleonard | edveal, there were recently some CSS changes pushed which cause some differences in IE |
| 14:59 | Bug 6865 | |
| 14:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6865 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace image-based gradient backgrounds with CSS3 gradients |
| 14:59 | edveal | Good to know... |
| 15:00 | oleonard | There are some issues I'm aware of. I don't have IE on this laptop bug I can make suggestions if you have examples |
| 15:00 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #668: SUCCESS in 44 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/668/ |
| 15:00 | * kyle: Bug 6027 - Delete biblios if deleting all their items in batch deletion | |
| 15:00 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7749: Not all OKs on the start page are translatable | |
| 15:00 | * adrien.saurat: Bug 7744: use of TT date filters on basket pages | |
| 15:00 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7734: NO_LIBRARY_SET should be translatable | |
| 15:00 | * magnus: Bug 7092 - Complete-subfield searches TraceCompleteSubfields syspref not working correctly | |
| 15:00 | * paul.poulain: bug 7092 follow-up: DBRev number | |
| 15:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6027 enhancement, P4, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Delete biblios if deleting all their items in batch deletion |
| 15:00 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7749 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Not all OKs on the start page are translatable | |
| 15:00 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7744 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Use of date filters in basket pages | |
| 15:00 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7734 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , NO_LIBRARY_SET should be translatable | |
| 15:00 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7092 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Complete-subfield searches TraceCompleteSubfields syspref not working correctly | |
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| 15:20 | paul_p | oleonard or cait or dpavlin = i'd like to have a signoff on bug 7780 ! (will be great for the sandbox message sent by cron ;-) ) |
| 15:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7780 normal, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, Needs Signoff , fix translator tool verbosity |
| 15:21 | oleonard | Did you hear that cait? paul_p is talking to you :P |
| 15:21 | * cait | huh? |
| 15:21 | paul_p | Joubu / marcelr = QAing bug 6199 now |
| 15:21 | * cait | is playing dumb |
| 15:21 | cait | no i will look at it |
| 15:21 | but first finish this | |
| 15:21 | this = what I am working on now | |
| 15:22 | paul_p | did I say I love git already ? |
| 15:22 | cait: perfectly fair ;-) | |
| 15:22 | (but don't tell my wife -about git-) | |
| 15:27 | Joubu marcelr = QAing 7401 | |
| 15:29 | cait | tsting |
| 15:29 | paul_p: will we get chocolate for not telling your wife about git? ;) | |
| 15:29 | paul_p | cait, that can be an option... |
| 15:30 | cait | hm |
| 15:30 | I am testing | |
| 15:30 | but | |
| 15:30 | I don't get any success message... is this by design? | |
| 15:31 | marcelr | paul_p: did you already see 7310 again? |
| 15:31 | bug 7401 | |
| 15:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7401 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, Signed Off , Shelving Location facet instead of Branch facet when only 1 branch configured |
| 15:31 | marcelr | bug 6199 |
| 15:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6199 enhancement, P3, ---, robin, Failed QA , Allow bulkmarcimport to blank duplicate barcodes rather than skipping items |
| 15:31 | cait | paul_p: it would be nice to get some feedback for successful installation |
| 15:41 | paul_p | marcelr yep |
| 15:42 | cait | paul_p: forget it- I have signed off |
| 15:42 | paul_p | cait thx ;-) |
| 15:43 | marcelr on bug 7310 | |
| 15:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310 normal, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Passed QA , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) |
| 15:43 | marcelr | yes? |
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| 15:47 | vfernandes | hi guyes |
| 15:48 | paul_p | OK, 9 patches applied (marcelr= I just wanted to say I am on 7310) |
| 15:48 | vfernandes | it's possible to remove hifens from ISBN OPAC searches? |
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| 15:48 | marcelr | paul_p: great! |
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| 15:49 | Morthland | How can I disable lists in OPAC? |
| 15:50 | marcelr | morthland: via a syspref |
| 15:50 | oleonard | Administration -> System preferences -> virtualshelves |
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| 15:51 | wizzyrea | too bad it's be a pain to change that syspref. |
| 15:51 | Morthland | hmm? |
| 15:51 | wizzyrea | because virtualshelves makes no sense - it's lists everywhere in the UI |
| 15:51 | oleonard | At least you can find the preference when searching for "lists" |
| 15:52 | wizzyrea | true. |
| 15:52 | oleonard | Unfortunately the description isn't clear that it affects only the OPAC |
| 15:52 | chobbs | Hi all! We have some inventory barcode files that were collected last August but never submitted for processing. Obviously, many of these items have since circulated. I want to create a stored proc that will update the datelastseen, as well as check in anything that hasn't since circulated but is still issued. Any thing else I need to look for? |
| 15:54 | oleonard | Is there no notice for warning patrons their accounts will expire soon? |
| 15:55 | cait | there is |
| 15:55 | probably tied to the systempreference | |
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| 15:59 | chobbs | oleonard: Is that what 'NotifyBorrowerDeparture ' is for? |
| 16:00 | oleonard | No, that controls whether the staff is warned on the circulation page a certain number of days ahead of the expiration date |
| 16:00 | sekjal | paul_p and other Fines in Days users: does borrower debarment date need to be a datetime? |
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| 16:01 | chobbs | oleonard: Ahh, bummer. |
| 16:01 | Morthland | where can I find an example of a koha opac? |
| 16:01 | paul_p | sekjal we spoke of that yesterday, and we don't know any library that could have a rule like "check in 1 hour late ? 1 hour debarred" |
| 16:02 | sekjal a rule that could be possible being "1 hour late => 1 day debarred" seem more possible. | |
| 16:02 | oleonard | Morthland: http://search.myacpl.org |
| 16:02 | sekjal | okay, so the debar duration is in days |
| 16:02 | paul_p | but even this option seem rare. |
| 16:02 | yep, probably OK | |
| 16:02 | oleonard | Morthland, Or demos via koha-community.org |
| 16:02 | sekjal | ok |
| 16:03 | paul_p | (and if someone request it in hours, we will quote that enhancement :D :D ) |
| 16:03 | sekjal | will work on this fix |
| 16:03 | chobbs | Morthland: Here's a K-12 school district version: http://koha.nhusd.k12.ca.us/ |
| 16:04 | not exactly fancy (pretty much out of the box) | |
| 16:04 | Anyone have suggestions on my inventory issue? Or was it a case of tl;dr? | |
| 16:06 | dpavlin | cait: Bug 7213 might be of interest to you :-) |
| 16:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7213 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Needs Signoff , Document /svc/ HTTP API and provide example command-line client |
| 16:06 | marcelr | paul_p: you did it! |
| 16:06 | paul_p | ;-) |
| 16:07 | marcelr | paul_p++ |
| 16:08 | not only a bad idea for 3.6 also rebasing nightmare ;) | |
| 16:09 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7310 follow-up: DBRev <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4df47516f1ed932af> / Bug 7310 Followup: Warnings for nothingdeleted and somedeleted for staff client. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]75370d0d7e600cd4c> / 7310 Indentation followup replacing leading tabs with spaces <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p= |
| 16:16 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #669 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 16:16 | sekjal | lunch time... back when I can find wifi and a place to plug in |
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| 16:20 | chobbs | Would somebody be willing to sanity check this fix for my out-of-date inventory file? http://pastebin.com/uutDUzEP |
| 16:22 | Grrr, never mind, I already discovered a problem with it :) not checking the date on issues | |
| 16:24 | slef | heh |
| 16:26 | chobbs | Updated version: http://pastebin.com/73h7HjqU Any thoughts? |
| 16:29 | jcamins_away | Meeting in 1.5 hours? |
| 16:31 | wizzyrea | *nod* |
| 16:32 | jcamins_away | Thanks. |
| 16:32 | * jcamins_away | leaves again. |
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| 16:35 | oleonard | Hackfest is disbanding for the evening... not sure if anyone will be at the meeting...? |
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| 17:00 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #669: UNSTABLE in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/669/ |
| 17:00 | * m.de.rooy: Bug 7310: DB revision for Improving list permissions | |
| 17:00 | * m.de.rooy: Bug 7310: Improving lists permissions -- New prefs | |
| 17:00 | * m.de.rooy: 7310a: Improving list permissions: Changing Koha SQL structure | |
| 17:00 | * m.de.rooy: Bug 7310: Code changes for Improving list permissions | |
| 17:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) |
| 17:00 | jenkins_koha | * m.de.rooy: Bug 7310: Improving list permissions: Deleting patron |
| 17:00 | * m.de.rooy: Bug 7310: Updated VirtualShelves unit test | |
| 17:00 | * m.de.rooy: Bug 7310 Followup for sysprefs.sql | |
| 17:00 | * m.de.rooy: 7310 Indentation followup replacing leading tabs with spaces | |
| 17:00 | * m.de.rooy: Bug 7310 Followup: Warnings for nothingdeleted and somedeleted for staff client. | |
| 17:00 | * paul.poulain: Bug 7310 follow-up: DBRev | |
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| 17:04 | kyleh | hey all, I need to modify the template that generates koha's apache configuration file, is it debian/templates/apache-site.conf.in, is is that just for the debian packages? |
| 17:05 | paul_p | hi kyleh. I think it's the debian package only |
| 17:05 | look in etc/ | |
| 17:05 | bag | heya paul_p that sandbox is pretty sweet :) |
| 17:06 | is the source code available for that? I think sometime soon - I will set up another one here :) | |
| 17:06 | chris_n | kittens and sandboxes? |
| 17:06 | bag | that's a really great great additional |
| 17:06 | heh addition not additional ;) | |
| 17:08 | paul_p | bag once i'll be able to push on git.koha-community.org / contrib.git i'll push everything (including documentation ;-) ) |
| 17:08 | bag | YAY!!! I love it... |
| 17:08 | paul_p | ;-) |
| 17:08 | (note that atm, all sandboxes have been switched to unimarc : we have many librarians playing like mad with them this week) | |
| 17:09 | bag | 3.8 is shaping up as a pretty sweet release :) |
| 17:09 | paul_p | bag and once the new updatedatabase system will be pushed, it will even be handiest... |
| 17:09 | bag | totally :) |
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| 17:26 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
| 17:30 | * jcamins | is ready for the meeting... and a whole half hour early! |
| 17:30 | cait | hi jcamins |
| 17:31 | jcamins | Hello. |
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| 17:34 | * slef | goes to get coffee |
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| 17:37 | Oak | Hello Brooke :) |
| 17:37 | Brooke | howdy |
| 17:37 | wahanui | hola, Brooke |
| 17:38 | oleonard | Hi Brooke, thd |
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| 17:39 | thd | hello oleonard |
| 17:39 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7748: use of TT date filter on addorderiso2709 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]eee6ee7bad6db57ce> / Singlebranchmode was always 0 causing the branch to be null and the reservations... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fd78be124dff7649f> / Bug 7169: Follow-up: Change booksellers search results display <http://git |
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| 17:40 | thd | oleonard: Have you missed winter in Ohio? |
| 17:40 | oleonard | Pretty much |
| 17:41 | * thd | has suffered greatly from lack of winter. |
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| 17:42 | * thd | is normally functioning maximally during winter as long as it is not excessively cold. |
| 17:43 | clrh | bye |
| 17:43 | Brooke | I don't think I'm like to forget roses in full bloom round New Year's in me courtyard |
| 17:43 | I want to get on over to the Cherry Blossom Festival but it's all overcast and crummy. | |
| 17:44 | * thd | is allergic to Brooke's roses and all flowering plants. |
| 17:44 | has been miserable at the wrong time of year. | |
| 17:44 | oleonard | the cherry blossoms are at least two weeks earlier in Ohio than last year I think |
| 17:45 | Brooke | seems that way here, too |
| 17:45 | wizzyrea | same with the bradford pears here too |
| 17:45 | Brooke | one of my fencing mates was yelling at his pears not to bud a few weeks back XD |
| 17:45 | thd | Blooming has started months earlier in NYC. |
| 17:46 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #670 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #668 3 h 30 mn ago) |
| 17:47 | thd | I should have been mostly free of the effects of my pollen allergy until a brief period in May quickly ended by summer heat. |
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| 17:47 | Brooke | ugh |
| 17:48 | I hope we don't get Jenkins spam half way through the meeting | |
| 17:48 | thd | Can Jenkins not be tamed? |
| 17:48 | * oleonard | pats jenkins_koha protectively |
| 17:49 | thd | Is there a jenkins_koha meeting mode? |
| 17:49 | cait | t |
| 17:49 | * kyleh | is done for the day. He got a *very* early start. |
| 17:49 | * Brooke | looks at Owen and chances a growl at Jenkins. |
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| 17:51 | data_doctor | I was not able top cross-country ski this year in Ohio |
| 17:51 | Brooke | wow |
| 17:51 | data_doctor | not enough snow |
| 17:52 | although I did have one day to sled before it melted. | |
| 17:52 | Brooke | hooray sled! |
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| 17:53 | data_doctor | The magnolia trees bloomed yesterday - wonderful aroma in the evening... |
| 17:53 | @wunderground 44240 | |
| 17:53 | huginn | data_doctor: downloading the Perl source |
| 17:53 | data_doctor | oops |
| 17:54 | jcamins | It just smells like New York City here. |
| 17:54 | * thd | thinks about moving to Norway where thd's ancestors were comfortable in a somewhat Arctic climate with much darkness. |
| 17:54 | bag | @wunder 93109 |
| 17:54 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 19.8°C (10:54 AM PDT on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling). |
| 17:54 | data_doctor | @wunder kent ohio |
| 17:54 | huginn | data_doctor: The current temperature in Kent/Brimfield, Portage County, Ohio is 25.0°C (1:51 PM EDT on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1022 hPa (Falling). |
| 17:54 | data_doctor | very delightful outside today! |
| 17:55 | and setting record temperatures! | |
| 17:56 | Brooke | 25C |
| 17:56 | for reals? | |
| 17:56 | * Brooke | rubs the olde eyes. |
| 17:56 | thd | data_doctor: For me, a delightful day is a nice cool and gentle rain all day suppressing the pollen. |
| 17:56 | * oleonard | is so much more prepared for Europe having been trained by huginn to understand °C |
| 17:56 | wizzyrea | thd: you would love the weather here today |
| 17:57 | oleonard | Now if only huginn could have taught me French too |
| 17:57 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 17:58 | * Brooke | is jealous of oleonard. |
| 17:58 | slef | yo Brooke |
| 17:58 | Brooke | what's up homie? |
| 17:59 | slef | oleonard: bonjour matelot! Sont ces pamplemousses a vôtre? |
| 17:59 | Brooke | mmmm grapefruit. |
| 17:59 | wizzyrea | mmmm |
| 17:59 | slef | Brooke: Edinburgh's up |
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| 17:59 | * Brooke | cracks the knuckles in preparation for the meeting... |
| 18:00 | cait | hopes her window properly auto scrolls now |
| 18:00 | Brooke | #startmeeting |
| 18:00 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Mar 21 18:00:17 2012 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 18:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | |
| 18:00 | Brooke | Haere Mai welcome to the Koha Community General IRC meeting |
| 18:00 | please use #info to identify yerself for the record | |
| 18:00 | #topic Introductions | |
| 18:00 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions | |
| 18:01 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
| 18:01 | jcamins | #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services |
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| 18:01 | bag | #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions |
| 18:01 | druthb | #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions |
| 18:01 | wizzyrea | #info Liz Rea, NEKLS |
| 18:01 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
| 18:01 | mveron | #info Marc Véron, marc veron ag, Allschwil/Basel, Switzerland |
| 18:02 | melia | #info |
| 18:02 | oops, let me try again. #info Melia Meggs, ByWater Solutions | |
| 18:02 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 18:02 | data_doctor | #info Fred Pierre, Stow-Munroe Falls Public Library, Ohio |
| 18:02 | ago43 | #info Albert Oller, ByWater Solutions |
| 18:03 | slef | #info MJ Ray, software.coop |
| 18:03 | mtj | #info mason, kohaaloha, nz |
| 18:04 | NateC | Nate Curulla, ByWater Solutions! |
| 18:04 | * cait | whispers at Nate #info! :) |
| 18:05 | Brooke | right moving along |
| 18:05 | #topic Announcements | |
| 18:05 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements | |
| 18:05 | NateC | #info Nate Curulla, ByWater Solutions |
| 18:05 | dpavlin | #info Dobrica Pavlinusic, FFZG |
| 18:05 | NateC | :D |
| 18:05 | bag | :D |
| 18:06 | Brooke | nuffin in the agenda here |
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| 18:06 | JesseM | #info |
| 18:06 | Brooke | and no one is saying a word, soooooo |
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| 18:06 | Brooke | #topic Roadmap to 3.4 |
| 18:06 | Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to 3.4 | |
| 18:06 | JesseM | #info Jesse Maseto, ByWater Solutions |
| 18:07 | * slef | looks for the agenda |
| 18:07 | Brooke | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng,_21_March_2012 |
| 18:07 | mtj | #info last Koha IRC meeting notes -> http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]-12-07-18.00.html |
| 18:07 | Brooke | sweet, ta |
| 18:08 | slef | cool. I'd got November's for some reason :-/ |
| 18:08 | wizzyrea | ping chris_n |
| 18:08 | slef | confused the hell out of me |
| 18:08 | chris_n | here. sorry |
| 18:08 | Brooke | no problem, we suck a lot of work out of ye |
| 18:08 | chris_n | 3.4 has taken a back seat atm |
| 18:09 | I hope to do at least one more release | |
| 18:09 | but not this month unfortunately | |
| 18:09 | * rangi | is doing kids breakfast will be around from the bus |
| 18:09 | chris_n | I think that's it for 3.4 |
| 18:09 | Brooke | okie dokie |
| 18:09 | any questions for the generous Chris N? | |
| 18:10 | movin' on then | |
| 18:10 | #topic Roadmap to 3.6 | |
| 18:10 | Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to 3.6 | |
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| 18:10 | chris_n | #info Chris Nighswonger, FBC |
| 18:10 | me again, heh? ;-) | |
| 18:10 | ok | |
| 18:10 | I plan to do a March 3.6 release | |
| 18:11 | but may not be able to make it until second week in April | |
| 18:11 | for those of you who may not know, my wife had a double cervical spine fusion earlier this month | |
| 18:11 | so that's put a bit of a cramp in my schedule | |
| 18:11 | that's it for 3.6 | |
| 18:11 | :) | |
| 18:11 | Brooke | :) |
| 18:12 | any questions on 3.6 folks? | |
| 18:12 | data_doctor | Looking forward to faster pageloads on patron records! |
| 18:12 | Compared to 3.5 | |
| 18:13 | Great work! | |
| 18:13 | mle | #info Matthew Edmondson, sc |
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| 18:14 | Brooke | #topic Roadmap to 3.8 |
| 18:14 | Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to 3.8 | |
| 18:14 | cait | paul_p is not going to be here tonight |
| 18:14 | oleonard | The agenda says feature freeze Monday |
| 18:14 | cait | good point |
| 18:14 | data_doctor | I'm feeling chilly already |
| 18:14 | Brooke | the Apologies said that, but I saw a paul p bounce in and out earlier |
| 18:14 | oleonard | The librarians here at Hackfest are working very hard to test |
| 18:15 | Brooke | so I was hopeful :) |
| 18:15 | cait | and the mailnig lists show that clearly :) |
| 18:15 | there is a big group testing | |
| 18:15 | chris_n | testing++ |
| 18:15 | Brooke | the agenda also says ginourmous performance gain |
| 18:15 | slef | cait: I though the reason for this being so late in the month was so it was during Marseille hackfest :-/ |
| 18:15 | chris_n | hackfest_participants++ |
| 18:16 | cait | it's evening |
| 18:16 | oleonard | slef, I think we must have gotten something mixed up somehow |
| 18:16 | cait | so most have gone home, we are at the hotel now |
| 18:16 | perhaps it was a time confusion | |
| 18:16 | dpavlin | plack helpd a bit... we have 0.7-2.5 s page load with plack (slow for search results, fast for eveyrhing lese) |
| 18:16 | s/lese/else/ | |
| 18:17 | Brooke | slef: I was unavailable the first week |
| 18:17 | no one wanted to do me jorb. | |
| 18:18 | data_doctor | In what areas do you see performance gains in 3.8? |
| 18:18 | slef | Brooke: ah. I was unavailable last meeting, so couldn't offer :) |
| 18:18 | jcamins | data_doctor: that's probably better discussed after the meeting. |
| 18:18 | data_doctor | sure thing :) |
| 18:19 | oleonard | besides, dpavlin's work won't be in 3.8 |
| 18:19 | Brooke | why |
| 18:19 | I think that's scarily relevant :D | |
| 18:19 | dpavlin | oleonard: It wont? |
| 18:19 | Brooke | unless no one can tell us that's here |
| 18:20 | in which case we'll move on | |
| 18:20 | oleonard | Oh, if I'm mistaken dpavlin correct me |
| 18:20 | Perhaps I misunderstood what you were referring to | |
| 18:20 | jcamins | Brooke: my understanding was that this is a proof-of-concept for 3.10. |
| 18:20 | Brooke: I could be mistaken. | |
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| 18:21 | cait | I think it will probably be |
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| 18:21 | Brooke | hooray for that :D |
| 18:21 | cait | not sure .) dpavlin? |
| 18:22 | I mean a proof of concept and starting work | |
| 18:22 | Brooke | also dpavlin++ |
| 18:22 | cait | yes dpavlin++ |
| 18:22 | sekjal | sorry I'm late |
| 18:22 | dpavlin | We won't have full plack in 3.8 for sure, but I hope that some changes which are prereq will land before freeze |
| 18:23 | but, I *do* intend to run plack from next week on in my library, so... ;-) | |
| 18:23 | sekjal | #info Ian Walls, 3.8 QAM |
| 18:23 | cait | dpavlin: testing is good :) |
| 18:24 | bag | hmm dpavlin do you have a git repo somewhere that we could look at? Or your plack configs |
| 18:24 | dpavlin | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack is probably good place to get started with latest development |
| 18:24 | bag | I'd be more than willing to throw that up on a community testing server |
| 18:24 | ah cool yeah I saw that | |
| 18:24 | cait | bag: I think they only began this week |
| 18:24 | Brooke | #info http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Plack Plack and Performance stuff |
| 18:25 | cait | and have been working on patches all day that are in bugzilla now :) |
| 18:25 | Brooke | cait++ |
| 18:25 | thanks everyone at the hackfest | |
| 18:25 | bag | ah yeah with help from hdl we did that in NZ.. but there were certain problems :) |
| 18:25 | dpavlin | opac is much more stable in plack than intranet and it's already used by one franch library in production. |
| 18:25 | Brooke | hopefully Paul is filling you all with wine and cheese :D |
| 18:25 | cait | no wine, but we had cheese :) |
| 18:26 | bag | right - it's circ that matters the most :) |
| 18:26 | * slef | has wine. Not French, though. |
| 18:26 | bag | dpavlin: I'd also suggest trying starman too - or at least testing it… :) |
| 18:27 | Brooke | dpavlin does it speed the opac searching a bit? I've noticed a difference in speed between what I think is a fuzzy search and not. Hopefully that whittles some of the time off. |
| 18:27 | sekjal | dpavlin: will plack work help with running Koha on mod_perl? |
| 18:27 | bag | sekjal: it should |
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| 18:27 | dpavlin | Brooke: it does help a bit with opac (mostly module loading time) |
| 18:28 | Brooke | sweet :D good to know |
| 18:28 | sekjal | awesome |
| 18:28 | dpavlin | sekjal: it *probably* will help with mod_perl, since we can wrap plack in mod_perl, but starman seems like better soltion, mostly because of leeking memory... |
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| 18:29 | larryb | hello |
| 18:29 | Brooke | any other burning 3.8 commentary? |
| 18:29 | sekjal | working on bug 5549 fixes |
| 18:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5549 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, chris, Failed QA , Hourly Loans |
| 18:29 | sekjal | should be ready before feature freeze |
| 18:30 | bag | gmcharlt: you around? |
| 18:30 | Brooke | #Info Feature Freeze is Monday. Yes really. |
| 18:30 | larryb | #info Larry Baerveldt, ByWater Solutions |
| 18:30 | Brooke | moving on then |
| 18:31 | bag | sekjal have you seen gmcharlt at computers in libraries |
| 18:31 | Brooke | #topic Roles for 3.10 |
| 18:31 | Topic for #koha is now Roles for 3.10 | |
| 18:31 | rangi | #info Chris Cormack at the bus stop |
| 18:31 | bag | if so ask him about DOM indexing for biblios |
| 18:31 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #670: STILL UNSTABLE in 45 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/670/ |
| 18:31 | * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 1 - fines not recording the right info in the stats table | |
| 18:31 | * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 2 - move sub writeoff to C4::Accounts | |
| 18:31 | * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 3 - fines not recording the right info in the stats table | |
| 18:31 | * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 4 - Change C4::Acounts::WriteOff to WriteOffFee | |
| 18:31 | * kyle: Bug 7597 - Part 5 - Remove my from $branch, which was masking previous declaration | |
| 18:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7597 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , fines not recording the right info in the stats table |
| 18:31 | jenkins_koha | * julian.maurice: Bug 7169: Change booksellers search results display |
| 18:31 | bag | I think his goal was before freature freeze |
| 18:31 | jenkins_koha | * julian.maurice: Bug 7169: Follow-up: Change booksellers search results display |
| 18:31 | * maxime.pelletier: Singlebranchmode was always 0 causing the branch to be null and the reservations in the OPAC not to work in singlebranchmode. | |
| 18:31 | * adrien.saurat: Bug 7748: use of TT date filter on addorderiso2709 | |
| 18:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7169 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Change booksellers search results display |
| 18:31 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7748 trivial, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Master , Date not formatted on "Add orders from iso2709 file" page | |
| 18:31 | slef | jenkins_koha: mute |
| 18:31 | jenkins_koha | slef did you mean me? Unknown command 'mute' |
| 18:31 | Use '!jenkins help' to get help! | |
| 18:32 | melia | galen said he plans to have a branch submitted by this friday for DOM indexing |
| 18:32 | bag | ah thanks melia - well anyways sekjal if you see him - ask him :) |
| 18:32 | sekjal joined #koha | |
| 18:32 | sekjal | bag: no, haven't seen gmcharlt here |
| 18:33 | rangi | Just don't push things and Jenkins will be quiet |
| 18:33 | bag | thanks |
| 18:33 | wizzyrea | paul is gone, that job started before the meeting :P |
| 18:33 | rangi | So 3.10 roles? |
| 18:33 | Brooke | rangi yep |
| 18:33 | rangi | Then quit moaning :) |
| 18:33 | cait | we are still missing candidates for 2 important roles |
| 18:34 | Brooke | looks like way more than 2 cait |
| 18:34 | cait | translation manager and qa manager |
| 18:34 | Brooke | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.10 |
| 18:34 | wizzyrea | db doc manager and doc manager? |
| 18:34 | * cait | searches for the link |
| 18:34 | wizzyrea | it's on the agenda :) |
| 18:34 | cait | ok, my scrolling is broken again |
| 18:34 | libsysguy | back |
| 18:35 | jcamins | Three important roles, at least. Translation manager, QAM, and packaging manager, assuming that nengard is willing to do docs again. |
| 18:35 | libsysguy | #info Elliott Davis - UT Tyler |
| 18:35 | Brooke | nengard's puppy is sick, so perhaps that is why she is elsewhere. |
| 18:35 | bag | I think nengard is up for doc manager again… |
| 18:36 | slef | Brooke: I think she's at an event too |
| 18:36 | bag | she's at or on her way to computers in libraries |
| 18:36 | rangi | Im sure eythian will continue packaging |
| 18:36 | sekjal | nengard is in her room working on CiL presentation, I think |
| 18:36 | we'd met for lunch earlier | |
| 18:36 | slef | ah, the internet, top stalking tool |
| 18:37 | Brooke | enywhooo |
| 18:37 | think about if you want to volunteer for one of those posts | |
| 18:37 | thd | I suspect lack of names in the wiki for roles is from lack of attention to 3.10 roles in the wiki. |
| 18:37 | Brooke | find someone that's done it in the past to see if you're a match |
| 18:37 | and uh | |
| 18:37 | mtj | i wanna do packing stuff too |
| 18:37 | Brooke | yeah. |
| 18:38 | thd | fredericd: are you extant? |
| 18:38 | oleonard | Since we don't have all the volunteers, there's not much we can do. Except maybe propose a deadline? |
| 18:38 | Brooke | #help Fill the Slots on the Roles for 3.10 page with Volunteers |
| 18:38 | rangi | It's not easily split mtj but u could do some cpan packaging that would help |
| 18:39 | Brooke | oleonard I agree and would add that it's rapidly approaching |
| 18:39 | jcamins | mtj: could you put yourself and eythian down as packaging managers? |
| 18:39 | rangi | Ask eythian about the debian Perl team |
| 18:39 | cait | I think that's what we did for 3.8 |
| 18:39 | jcamins | Or packaging manager and grasshopper? :) |
| 18:39 | mtj | rangi: *nod* and jcamins , yep :) |
| 18:40 | Brooke | would anyone be so kind as to send out a message to the lists looking for help? |
| 18:40 | rangi | Qam is the big one IMHO |
| 18:40 | slef | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.10 |
| 18:40 | cait | yep |
| 18:40 | we really need to find qam and one more assistant I think | |
| 18:41 | jcamins | cait: has joubu said anything about continuing (or not)? |
| 18:41 | cait | not afaik |
| 18:41 | * sekjal | would like to keep contributing to QA efforts |
| 18:41 | jcamins | sekjal++ |
| 18:41 | dpavlin | sekjal++ |
| 18:41 | cait | sekjal++ |
| 18:41 | rangi | Cool assistant? |
| 18:42 | Or manager? | |
| 18:42 | cait | quick, someone should edit the wiki ;) |
| 18:42 | * oleonard | checks the locks on sekjal's shackles |
| 18:42 | * sekjal | is uneasy about volunteering for a 3rd QAM term, with the recent job change |
| 18:42 | * Brooke | helps oleonard. |
| 18:43 | Brooke | does Cait have the time for QAM? |
| 18:43 | rangi | Assistant makes sense |
| 18:44 | cait | I think qam manager requiresmore skills than I currently have |
| 18:44 | hopefully one day | |
| 18:45 | mtj | hmm, i think i could help out with some QA stuff, too? |
| 18:45 | wizzyrea | mtj you'd probably be good at that. |
| 18:45 | rangi | We can't convince Marcel to do Qam and get another assistant? |
| 18:45 | Brooke | Bus Driver's empty |
| 18:45 | cait | I like rangi's idea |
| 18:45 | * jcamins | too |
| 18:46 | bag | how about a bunch of assistants but no M |
| 18:46 | * chris_n | points cait to the koha user's list |
| 18:46 | cait | hm? |
| 18:46 | Brooke | bag how'd that work? |
| 18:46 | rangi | Bag: don't think that will work |
| 18:46 | sekjal | I think the only difference between assistants and the manager is as tie-breaker and work allocater |
| 18:47 | or at least that's how it worked this last cycle | |
| 18:47 | bag | which I think cait could do :) |
| 18:47 | but mainly it's better than nothing | |
| 18:47 | Brooke | anchio Brendan |
| 18:47 | rangi | Not if she doesn't want to |
| 18:48 | oleonard | Sure, if we're allowed to draft people we can just get rangi again :P |
| 18:48 | cait | I am torn |
| 18:48 | * Brooke | bribes Cait with sweets. |
| 18:48 | cait | I am not sure I would be good for this job |
| 18:48 | bag | we've had releases with no QA before and I think we need to at least think about how to work with assistants |
| 18:48 | * Brooke | is pretty darn sure. |
| 18:48 | cait | I can offer to think about it |
| 18:48 | rangi | Bag ur joking right? |
| 18:48 | cait | but qama not qam |
| 18:48 | * Brooke | does the happy dance. |
| 18:49 | sekjal | QA team is required |
| 18:49 | Brooke | ^ |
| 18:49 | bag | well what if no one volunteers for QAM rangi |
| 18:49 | sekjal | but whether one stands apart from the rest as 'manager'... |
| 18:49 | cait | bag: I think it's too early to say noone volunteers |
| 18:49 | sekjal | I'm not sure I see the immediate difference in workflow |
| 18:49 | cait | and we really need one |
| 18:49 | bag | thanks sekjal that is what I was trying to say |
| 18:49 | sekjal | perhaps it's just that QAM is ultimately on the hook for all the QA team? |
| 18:49 | Brooke | pretty much |
| 18:50 | sekjal | ... that doesn't sound right, though, since RM can jump QA, at his own discretion and peril |
| 18:50 | jcamins | sekjal: there has to be someone who can say definitively "this does not pass QA." With four QAAs, you have a situation where everyone has to offer an opinion. |
| 18:50 | (and then you'd have a deadlock) | |
| 18:51 | Okay, consider the situation with five QAAs. | |
| 18:52 | sekjal | if we're thinking of QAM in this regard, as a tie-breaker and responsible party, then it doesn't sound like it's that different than the day to day of QA |
| 18:52 | mtj | ok, so we may not get a QAM role confirmed today... :) |
| 18:52 | thd | If no one would come forward, for QAM, the authority of main QAM could rotate by week, or by 'tag you are it'. |
| 18:52 | sekjal | and if it's not a change in normal workflow, then I think I could take on the additional work going from QAA to QAM |
| 18:52 | wizzyrea | or what if the qam was really the one to say "these problems identified by the assistants are no-go's, this fails" |
| 18:52 | sekjal | if everyone is comfortable with that |
| 18:52 | bag | there we go thd is thinking outside the box :) |
| 18:53 | or what wizzyrea said :) | |
| 18:53 | Brooke | that seems like more articulations than are strictly necessary |
| 18:53 | thd | wizzyrea++ |
| 18:53 | jcamins | sekjal++ |
| 18:53 | rangi | How about we post to the mailing list |
| 18:54 | wizzyrea | though I'd probably be happier if sekjal just stayed on :P |
| 18:54 | Brooke | what if the QAM were Wizzyrea? |
| 18:54 | >.> | |
| 18:54 | <.< | |
| 18:54 | thd | We need not choose today. |
| 18:54 | wizzyrea | if he feels able. |
| 18:54 | rangi | And see who applies |
| 18:54 | Brooke | yeah thd prolly discussed this to death |
| 18:54 | wizzyrea | yes, lets do that. |
| 18:54 | jcamins | Makes sense. |
| 18:54 | Brooke | so think about volunteering |
| 18:54 | mtj | hmm, well sekjal has a beard... does that not give him more QA authority? |
| 18:54 | thd | We can discuss the problem of an empty main role further if it actually happens. |
| 18:54 | bag | beards++ |
| 18:55 | Brooke | beards-- |
| 18:55 | #topic KohaCon201`2 | |
| 18:55 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon201`2 | |
| 18:55 | Brooke | take it away MJ |
| 18:55 | cait | I thnk we should have the next meeting before release then - only noting for later |
| 18:55 | Brooke | #topic KohaCon2012 |
| 18:55 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon2012 | |
| 18:56 | slef | ok |
| 18:56 | mle | k |
| 18:56 | Brooke | cait yep I agree, we'll sort that later, though |
| 18:56 | talljoy | #info Joy Nelson ByWater Solutions |
| 18:56 | slef | mle is leading on all things Edinburgh, I'm going to lead the schedule |
| 18:56 | mle, say whatever you want, plus correct me when I good | |
| 18:56 | goof ;) | |
| 18:57 | we've got some great volunteers already, but could do with more | |
| 18:57 | * oleonard | waves, leaving for dinner |
| 18:57 | slef | I've posted a form so people can request invitations at |
| 18:57 | #link http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/ | |
| 18:57 | for sponsors or visas or that sort of thing. | |
| 18:58 | mle | one question i have for this meeting is whether it would be handy to ask our Edinburgh friends for sofa spaces? |
| 18:58 | slef | The next things to open are papers and general registrations, I think, which will be on that same web page. |
| 18:58 | mle | ther are lots of cheap hostels though ; / |
| 18:58 | slef | Thanks to wizzyrea for help setting that page up. |
| 18:58 | jcamins | mle: only the locals know where to get good haggis. |
| 18:58 | Brooke | yes MLE |
| 18:59 | wizzyrea | ! you're welcome but you really did it :P |
| 18:59 | so, slef++ | |
| 18:59 | rangi | Yep on that page is good I think |
| 18:59 | slef | If you'd like to help volunteer, msg me for the email address. |
| 18:59 | help by volunteering | |
| 18:59 | as I'm clearly so overloaded I've not time to type full words, clearly | |
| 18:59 | :) | |
| 18:59 | wizzyrea | and/or repeating yourself :) |
| 19:00 | slef | wizzyrea: The next things to open are papers and general registrations |
| 19:00 | mle | so I need numbers but if there is ineterest I can ask for sofa spaces |
| 19:01 | Brooke | #Info If you want to crash and have no dough, please talk to mle about sofa spaces |
| 19:01 | mle | we are looking to pledgebank the excursion day, so we must get on with that. But I would be keen to get numbers/interest for a fishing trip. |
| 19:01 | rangi | Ok bus stop brb |
| 19:02 | mle | #Info if you are a looking for a sofa space ask me ASAP so that I can see what can be done. : ) |
| 19:02 | thd | mle: Where is the place in which you are acquiring information about numbers? |
| 19:02 | slef | help |
| 19:03 | ok, I just got confused | |
| 19:03 | sorry about that | |
| 19:03 | mle | thd good question. |
| 19:03 | slef | did any known volunteers not get yesterday's or today's emails? |
| 19:03 | ah, never mind, it just got stuck in some filters. | |
| 19:04 | (at the volunteer side, not ours) | |
| 19:05 | Brooke | will there be an IRC meeting about KohaCon? |
| 19:05 | slef | We'll be posting a call for sponsors soon, but we've had a small setback with our first choice on that. |
| 19:06 | larryb left #koha | |
| 19:06 | mle | Brooke we shoudl have an IRC chan for KohaCon12 |
| 19:06 | Brooke | dunno |
| 19:06 | thd | mle: a separate channel, really? |
| 19:06 | Brooke | seems like there's enough material to at least warrant a meeting |
| 19:06 | could be wrong, though | |
| 19:06 | rangi | back |
| 19:07 | slef | I'm 90% sure there will be a Gold Sponsor package where you get everything we're offering in exchange for amounts > N, so if any organisations would like to suggest numbers, please do. |
| 19:07 | Brooke: you might be right now, or at least there will be soon. | |
| 19:07 | * Brooke | nods. |
| 19:07 | slef | Any first suggestions for a time/date? Give me 5 and I'll run a poll. |
| 19:09 | OK, I'll pull 5 out of my nose | |
| 19:09 | mle | wednesdays at 18:00 |
| 19:09 | slef | mle: UTC, BST or what? ;) |
| 19:10 | mle | BST ; ) |
| 19:10 | cait | heh |
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| 19:10 | cait | wednesday is fine for me |
| 19:10 | will be travelling until tuesday | |
| 19:10 | mle | great |
| 19:10 | Brooke | #info KohaCon meetings Wednesdays at 18.00 mebbe |
| 19:10 | anything else on KohaCon | |
| 19:10 | ? | |
| 19:11 | slef | ok any more suggestions? I expect wed 19:00 UTC to be popular here, as it's roughly when we're all here. |
| 19:11 | Not unless anyone has more questions? | |
| 19:11 | rangi | that is i think 7am thursday for me |
| 19:11 | which is good | |
| 19:11 | sekjal | btw, nengard says she accepts 3.10 Doc Manager |
| 19:11 | Brooke | eggsellent. |
| 19:12 | mle | thd: kohacon12ATsoftwareDOTcoop should be operational now. numbers, questions etc. |
| 19:12 | rangi | sweet |
| 19:12 | nengard++ | |
| 19:12 | Brooke | #topic GBSW |
| 19:12 | Topic for #koha is now GBSW | |
| 19:13 | Brooke | It's Global Bug Squashing Week |
| 19:13 | grab a sandbox | |
| 19:13 | squash things. | |
| 19:13 | rangi | kristina did a nice post about it |
| 19:13 | sekjal | lots of signoffs and QA passings so far this week |
| 19:13 | more to come | |
| 19:13 | Brooke | if you don't link it, it doesn't exist ;) |
| 19:13 | slef | why do my sandboxes always fill with quicksand and eat me? |
| 19:13 | rangi | http://virtualbreath.net/curio[…]1/squashing-bugs/ |
| 19:14 | cait | yes |
| 19:14 | even with all the hackfest librarians | |
| 19:14 | there are sitll a lot of things to be tested | |
| 19:14 | and bugs to be squashed | |
| 19:14 | I started looking through the list of critical bugs soome days ago | |
| 19:14 | there is lots of work to do! | |
| 19:15 | rangi | yep |
| 19:15 | sekjal | hourly loans is nearly ready |
| 19:15 | rangi | yay! |
| 19:15 | cait | please don't only focus on ne features (I know we all love them) - but also look out for bugs to be fixed! |
| 19:15 | and tested... and so on | |
| 19:15 | sekjal | I've got a patch ready to test that should fix the suspension in days issues found at hackfest |
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| 19:16 | rangi | sweet, i still cant replicate the renewal issue |
| 19:16 | Brooke | speak of the devil :D |
| 19:16 | sekjal | rangi: nor I |
| 19:16 | cait | hm |
| 19:16 | itemlevel itypes? | |
| 19:16 | not sure | |
| 19:16 | or something else being different? | |
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| 19:16 | anitsirk | hi Brooke. :-) |
| 19:17 | .. and all others | |
| 19:17 | tajoli | hi all |
| 19:18 | cait | hi anitsirk :) |
| 19:18 | anitsirk | hi cait |
| 19:18 | cait | hi zeno - back home? |
| 19:18 | Brooke | so moving on |
| 19:18 | tajoli | yes |
| 19:18 | just arrive | |
| 19:18 | Brooke | #topic Actions from Last Meeting |
| 19:18 | Topic for #koha is now Actions from Last Meeting | |
| 19:18 | Brooke | there's not much meat there |
| 19:19 | there were a few things discussed over the lists, which I think is good | |
| 19:19 | because there definitely seems like there was less minutia in this meeting, which is also happy | |
| 19:19 | thd | :) |
| 19:20 | Brooke | any other old business apart from me? |
| 19:20 | #topic Miscellaneous | |
| 19:20 | Topic for #koha is now Miscellaneous | |
| 19:20 | Brooke | any general stuff? |
| 19:20 | * mle | chuckles |
| 19:21 | Brooke | #topic Time and Date of Next General Meeting |
| 19:21 | Topic for #koha is now Time and Date of Next General Meeting | |
| 19:21 | Brooke | so the request was for before 23 april |
| 19:21 | which I think we can do | |
| 19:21 | we might even have 2 in april if folks feel the need | |
| 19:22 | so we can have one for nominations and one for actual voting | |
| 19:22 | or not | |
| 19:22 | whatevs. | |
| 19:22 | cait | not sure |
| 19:22 | Brooke | 4 April is the first Wednesday |
| 19:22 | conflicts on that? | |
| 19:22 | cait | should work for me |
| 19:22 | sekjal | sound workable to me |
| 19:23 | rangi | email about roles needs to go out asap then |
| 19:23 | tajoli | for me +1 |
| 19:23 | rangi | to give time for ppl to talk to husbands, wives, bosses etc |
| 19:23 | slef | NAFAIK. 10am UTC? |
| 19:23 | Brooke | next one is meant to be 10.00 UTC |
| 19:23 | rangi are you volunteering to do that? | |
| 19:23 | rangi | no |
| 19:23 | Brooke | cause if not, we need someone to |
| 19:24 | #help someone send a reminder like yesterday about roles to be filled for next meeting | |
| 19:24 | so proper vote please | |
| 19:24 | next meeting | |
| 19:24 | wahanui | next meeting is 14 June 2011 1800 UTC+0 |
| 19:24 | Brooke | 4 April 10 UTC |
| 19:24 | slef | wahanui: forget next meeting |
| 19:24 | wahanui | slef: I forgot next meeting |
| 19:24 | Brooke | +1 for this is good with you |
| 19:25 | slef | +1 |
| 19:25 | rangi | +1 |
| 19:25 | wizzyrea | +1 |
| 19:25 | * thd | exempts himself from email writing as he departs the city for a few days in search of cold weather. |
| 19:25 | thd | +1 |
| 19:25 | mtj | +1 |
| 19:26 | cait | +1 |
| 19:26 | Brooke | #agreed Time and Date of Next General Meeting is 4 April 10.00 UTC |
| 19:26 | #endmeeting | |
| 19:26 | Topic for #koha is now General IRC Meeting 21 March 18.00 UTC | |
| 19:26 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Mar 21 19:26:49 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 19:26 | Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]-03-21-18.00.html | |
| 19:26 | Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]2-03-21-18.00.txt | |
| 19:26 | Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]21-18.00.log.html | |
| 19:26 | Brooke | hooray I'm free. :D |
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| 19:27 | anitsirk | you did a good job from what i saw, Brooke :-) |
| 19:28 | * Brooke | blushes. |
| 19:28 | mtj | cheers Brooke, very smooth ! |
| 19:28 | Brooke | ta |
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| 19:28 | druthb | Brooke++ |
| 19:28 | data_doctor | talkulater! |
| 19:28 | thd | Brooke only does a less than good job when absent. |
| 19:29 | slef | coding guidelines? |
| 19:29 | * druthb | pauses to try to parse thd's statement, then agrees with him. |
| 19:29 | slef | wahanui: guidelines? |
| 19:29 | wahanui | slef: wish i knew |
| 19:29 | slef | wahanui: you swine |
| 19:29 | wahanui | slef: huh? |
| 19:29 | slef | coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines |
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| 19:33 | rangi | minutes updated, and next meeting page made |
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| 19:33 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing,_4_April_2012 |
| 19:33 | slef | shall I mail out about Roles? |
| 19:33 | rangi | so someone can do that email now |
| 19:33 | yay slef :) | |
| 19:35 | Brooke | yes thanks slef |
| 19:35 | cait | slef++ |
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| 19:37 | slef | rangi: 1-:00 UTC, really? ;-) |
| 19:39 | rangi | he |
| 19:39 | Brooke | hi kathryn |
| 19:39 | rangi | h |
| 19:39 | close enough | |
| 19:39 | fixed | |
| 19:39 | kathryn | hi brooke : ) |
| 19:41 | slef | mail sent |
| 19:41 | rangi | thanks |
| 19:41 | slef++ | |
| 19:43 | libsysguy | chat log |
| 19:43 | log? | |
| 19:43 | wahanui | log is at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 19:44 | mle | anyone want travel help from london to edinburgh? I can help you book tickets. if we book in the next few days some cheap ones may still be available. |
| 19:44 | slef | see if you can spot where the mail text came from :) |
| 19:44 | mle: I'm thinking that travel info and an "ask us" form on http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/ might be worthwhile. | |
| 19:45 | rangi | mle: im flying in |
| 19:45 | so any tips from getting from the airport into the general conf vicinity would be handy | |
| 19:45 | mle | slef just reminding folk that the cheap train tickets need to be booked asap |
| 19:45 | rangi | also, pre paid sim cards .. with data plans |
| 19:45 | slef | mle: I'm guessing booking at http://www.eastcoast.co.uk/ is the cheapest trains London-Edinburgh? Web-only fares, collect at King's Cross departure gates. |
| 19:45 | rangi | they are able to be bought easily? |
| 19:46 | mle | rangi we can check that |
| 19:46 | rangi | thanks mle |
| 19:46 | slef | rangi: yes, walk into shops. Good to check for best deals closer to the time. |
| 19:46 | rangi | cool |
| 19:46 | jcamins | rangi: getting from EDI airport to the city is very easy. |
| 19:46 | rangi | yay! |
| 19:46 | * slef | did this for a prepaid internet dongle just before Christmas. |
| 19:47 | cait | :) |
| 19:48 | slef | mle: "Tickets are now available for travel up to and including Friday 08 June 2012, Click below to get ticket alerts" on http://www.eastcoast.co.uk/ so I guess it's not quite time to book if you want to return after hackfest. |
| 19:48 | cait | also flying in |
| 19:48 | all booked | |
| 19:48 | slef | cait: to EDI? |
| 19:48 | cait | yes |
| 19:48 | via amsterdam | |
| 19:48 | slef | KLM? |
| 19:48 | cait | from zürich |
| 19:48 | yes | |
| 19:48 | slef | cool, not used them for years |
| 19:49 | cait | I flew to marseille with them last year |
| 19:49 | was ok | |
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| 19:50 | jcamins | KLM is great for EDI-NYC. |
| 19:50 | rangi | eythian and I are coming in on singapore (then i guess BA) |
| 19:51 | same day as cait | |
| 19:51 | cait | yep about 2 hours later than me |
| 19:51 | rangi | so we will probably travel from the airport together |
| 19:51 | cait | or 1? |
| 19:51 | can't remember, but will probably be well rested and wait for the 2 tired nzers | |
| 19:53 | rangi | we'll have been travelling for 40+ hours |
| 19:53 | so will probably be zombies | |
| 19:53 | so someone awake would be helpful | |
| 19:53 | cait | :) |
| 19:53 | I will be glad | |
| 19:53 | to help | |
| 19:53 | kathryn | hi cait - he he good luck with that! |
| 19:54 | cait | I had jo picking me up from the airport in wellington |
| 19:54 | and was soooo glad to see her | |
| 19:54 | I asked her later how she recognized me | |
| 19:54 | I think she said something like I looked most tired and glad to be finally there | |
| 19:54 | jcamins | cait: I suggest you hold up a sign that says "WELCOME TO [SOMEWHERE-NOT-EDINBURGH]" |
| 19:54 | cait | lol |
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| 20:06 | libsysguy | sekjal i've been gone most of the day...did I miss anything in regards to 5549? |
| 20:07 | sekjal | libsysguy: I just sent rangi my patch |
| 20:07 | fixes suspension in days, and that 'inverse' bug | |
| 20:08 | libsysguy | eek i better send rangi my patch as well |
| 20:09 | rangi | you better! |
| 20:09 | whats your patch for libsysguy ? | |
| 20:09 | sekjal | there are going to be some merge conflicts rebasing this branch for latest master |
| 20:09 | one in smart-rules.tt | |
| 20:09 | libsysguy | I found an error in circ/returns.pl during dropbox mode |
| 20:10 | returns.pl didn't know where the format_date function was | |
| 20:10 | sekjal | a small one in catalogue/moredetail.pl, and updatedatabase.pl (of course) |
| 20:10 | libsysguy: I fixed that! | |
| 20:10 | rangi | ill rebase it too and push it |
| 20:10 | libsysguy | dang it sekjal |
| 20:10 | rangi ignore my email | |
| 20:10 | rangi | actually no i wont |
| 20:10 | ill merge from master | |
| 20:10 | libsysguy | sekjals skill is far superior to mine |
| 20:11 | sekjal | sorry, libsysguy, I thought it was a bug I'd made |
| 20:11 | rangi | rebasing breaks history, and will make it a mess for anyone who has pulled that branch |
| 20:11 | libsysguy | it might have been, I checked out and was testing |
| 20:11 | rangi | so ill just merge master in and fix conflicts and push it |
| 20:11 | sekjal | there is also a DB rev number issue in the code pushed for 7301 |
| 20:12 | erk, 7310 | |
| 20:12 | mtj | chat log? |
| 20:12 | wahanui | chat log is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 20:13 | rangi | sekjal: the patch from libsysguy guy arrived .. which i ignore right? but no sign of yours yet |
| 20:13 | jcamins | logs? |
| 20:13 | wahanui | logs are at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 20:13 | rangi | same site |
| 20:13 | just in case you were wondering | |
| 20:14 | my computer at home :) | |
| 20:14 | libsysguy | yes rangi ignore mine |
| 20:15 | jcamins | rangi: I didn't notice that wahanui had responded, but early I saw him not respond to "chat log," only to "logs." |
| 20:15 | sekjal | rangi: blast, my laptop is not set up right |
| 20:15 | jcamins | *earlier |
| 20:15 | mtj | logs? |
| 20:15 | wahanui | logs are at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 20:15 | mtj | logs? |
| 20:15 | wahanui | somebody said logs was http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 20:15 | rangi | sekjal: can you push it somewhere and ill cherry-pick ? |
| 20:15 | if thats easier | |
| 20:16 | sekjal | rangi: sent another way |
| 20:16 | will show up as attached patch file | |
| 20:17 | rangi | sweet as |
| 20:17 | brb getting coffee | |
| 20:20 | sekjal | rangi: actually, hang on |
| 20:20 | libsysguy's patch fixed dropboxmode | |
| 20:20 | mine fixed debar date | |
| 20:20 | so we'll conflict on [% USE KohaDates %], but otherwise, both patches should be necessary | |
| 20:21 | rangi | right ill do both then :) |
| 20:21 | libsysguy | sweet! |
| 20:22 | sekjal | I think I need a nap |
| 20:22 | libsysguy | brb |
| 20:22 | sekjal | or a beer |
| 20:25 | oh, geeze, 34 bugs in the QAQ | |
| 20:25 | I had it so well under control! | |
| 20:25 | rangi | right applying patches now |
| 20:31 | pushed .. now im gonna merge master in .. and push again | |
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| 20:37 | rangi | ok |
| 20:37 | pushed | |
| 20:37 | cait | yay :) |
| 20:38 | libsysguy_afk | yayy |
| 20:38 | libsysguy | is the hackfest over |
| 20:38 | cait | no not yet |
| 20:38 | only sleeping :) | |
| 20:38 | lasts until friday | |
| 20:39 | jcamins | Sleep? |
| 20:39 | There's no sleep during the hackfest! | |
| 20:39 | libsysguy | Koha never sleeps |
| 20:39 | sekjal | rangi: pulled |
| 20:39 | jcamins | You should be doing relaxing hacking! |
| 20:39 | sekjal | looks good |
| 20:39 | wizzyrea | get more caffiene! |
| 20:39 | rangi | excellent |
| 20:39 | wizzyrea | wait. |
| 20:39 | no. | |
| 20:39 | 3x days of hackfest... it's prolly time for a break. :) | |
| 20:39 | jcamins | "This is your code." |
| 20:39 | "This is your code on caffeine." | |
| 20:39 | wizzyrea | THISISYOURCODEONCAFFIENE |
| 20:40 | jcamins | lol |
| 20:40 | * sekjal | needs some caffeine.... serious conference fatigue setting in |
| 20:40 | cait | jcamins: I am |
| 20:40 | putting in ids and classes into cataloguing | |
| 20:40 | wizzyrea | oy there is nothing worse than conference caffiene |
| 20:40 | jcamins | :) |
| 20:40 | wizzyrea | wait |
| 20:40 | cait | and I have decided that the class will be named cat |
| 20:40 | wizzyrea | conference fatigue |
| 20:40 | cait | because we need more cats in koha ;) |
| 20:40 | rangi | heh |
| 20:40 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 20:40 | jcamins | cait++ |
| 20:43 | sekjal | I'm going to take a break. hopefully I'll be back on later this evening to clean out more of the QAQ |
| 20:44 | later, all | |
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| 20:52 | rangi | heya jransom |
| 20:54 | cait | hi jransom :) |
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| 21:00 | rangi | slef: thanks for testing bug 7613 |
| 21:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Needs Signoff , OCLC Connexion Gateway |
| 21:01 | cait | hm |
| 21:02 | moveitem lives in cataloguing... but for styling... perhaps more catalog? | |
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| 21:04 | rangi | hmm |
| 21:04 | yeah | |
| 21:05 | cait | same for link item? |
| 21:06 | rangi | i think so |
| 21:07 | cait | k |
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| 21:10 | cait | circ is next |
| 21:11 | rangi | yay for styling the intranet! |
| 21:11 | cait | lol |
| 21:11 | there has been some work done by gaetan and asaurat on the start page today | |
| 21:13 | rangi | awesome |
| 21:13 | cait | :) |
| 21:18 | * magnuse | waves |
| 21:18 | bag | heya magnuse |
| 21:18 | wahanui | it has been said that magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. |
| 21:18 | bag | heh |
| 21:18 | magnuse | hehe |
| 21:18 | hiya bag | |
| 21:18 | jransom | heya all |
| 21:18 | jcamins | Mmm. Pizza. I look forward to pizza Friday in nine days. |
| 21:18 | magnuse | kia ora jransom!!! |
| 21:19 | rangi | hey magnuse :) |
| 21:19 | jransom | magnus :) |
| 21:20 | magnuse | hiya rangi |
| 21:20 | * magnuse | is on the 20th floor of a hotel in stavanger :-) |
| 21:20 | magnuse | @wunder stavanger |
| 21:20 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Stavanger, Norway is 8.0°C (9:50 PM CET on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.48 in 1032 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:20 | jransom | rangi: discoverd the root of a bad bug fix was me giving giving bad instructions ... having to apologise profusely now to cjh |
| 21:22 | rangi | hehe :) |
| 21:23 | programmers | |
| 21:23 | we do what you say | |
| 21:23 | not what you mean :) | |
| 21:23 | libsysguy left #koha | |
| 21:23 | * cjh | is enjoying not being a *complete* idiot |
| 21:26 | gmcharlt | programmers: we sometimes mistake ourselves for being the computers ;) |
| 21:26 | * wizzyrea | does a doubletake |
| 21:26 | cait | heya gmcharlt :) |
| 21:26 | wizzyrea | hi gmcharlt |
| 21:26 | gmcharlt | howdy |
| 21:26 | wahanui | privet, gmcharlt |
| 21:26 | jransom | lol - poor cjh and its about time you lot learnt to read librarisn minds and not rely on what we write |
| 21:27 | wizzyrea | take a screenshot! |
| 21:27 | ^.^ | |
| 21:28 | jransom | wonders if the rst of the world knows about bucklame |
| 21:28 | gmcharlt | oh, I'm quite sure it's harmless |
| 21:28 | cait | hey eythian in bucklame |
| 21:28 | this part of the world does :) | |
| 21:28 | gmcharlt | but in this case, I have to prove to the customer that it is |
| 21:29 | heh, wrong window - ignore any discussion of harmful kitties ;) | |
| 21:29 | rangi | hehe |
| 21:31 | slef | rangi: no problem. I'm in that bit of the code this weekk. |
| 21:32 | jcamins | gmcharlt: bag was looking for you. |
| 21:32 | bag | no not really - but hi gmcharlt |
| 21:33 | slef | anyone know if I can lengthen my login timeout on the wiki, or if a sysadmin (gmcharlt? thd?) can? |
| 21:33 | it's rather irritating going afk for an hour, then having to log in again | |
| 21:34 | jcamins: how does one reach the city from Edinburgh Airport then? | |
| 21:35 | jcamins | slef: these are the directions from the international arrivals area. Domestic arrivals are slightly closer, I think. |
| 21:35 | When you come through customs, there is a clearly marked exit on your right. | |
| 21:35 | Ignore it. | |
| 21:35 | If you go out that door, you will get hopelessly lost and confused. | |
| 21:36 | Walk straight by it, between the car rental stand and the exchange place. | |
| 21:36 | It's not a very long walk, but you do want to walk up a bit. | |
| 21:36 | (inside the terminal) | |
| 21:36 | Eventually you reach a bank of doors. I think there are three. Go out. | |
| 21:37 | You should see the big blue Airlink buses. | |
| 21:37 | There's also a sign that says "Fly by bus." | |
| 21:37 | Go up to the bus. | |
| 21:38 | slef | jcamins: that the one that drops you at Waverley Bridge? |
| 21:38 | jcamins | slef: yeah. |
| 21:38 | slef | jcamins: cool, thanks. |
| 21:38 | jcamins | slef: you're welcome. |
| 21:39 | Actually, I think the last time I was there they even had a kiosk selling tickets. | |
| 21:39 | (under the big sign that said "Fly by bus") | |
| 21:39 | slef | jcamins: when do these details date from? |
| 21:39 | jcamins | slef: 2009. |
| 21:40 | So, I guess it's been a while, at this point. | |
| 21:40 | The bus page is http://www.flybybus.com/ | |
| 21:40 | cait | wow |
| 21:40 | you have an amazing memory | |
| 21:40 | jcamins | cait: did I mention that the flight attendents between AMS and EDI knew me? |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | later peeps |
| 21:41 | cait | ? |
| 21:41 | later wizzyrea :) | |
| 21:41 | rangi | cya wizzyrea |
| 21:41 | jcamins | cait: because I flew so often! |
| 21:41 | slef | jcamins: OK if I post that to the wiki? |
| 21:43 | jcamins | slef: sure, go ahead. |
| 21:43 | Other people may not be so confused if they go out the first door. | |
| 21:43 | I sure was, though. | |
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| 21:52 | slef | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]mmary#Travel_Tips updated |
| 21:55 | rangi | cool |
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| 21:57 | mbalmer | evening, koha.. |
| 21:58 | cait | good night #koha |
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| 22:00 | mbalmer | heh, shift change ;) |
| 22:00 | jcamins, replied to your worries. | |
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| 22:04 | jcamins | mbalmer: I don't think your reply attached. |
| 22:04 | mbalmer | my hotel wifi is shaky, to say the least... |
| 22:05 | in short, it's teh least invasice approach and a generic solution (aka sth from CPAN) won't work. | |
| 22:05 | Koha as is, is deeply MySQLified. | |
| 22:06 | jcamins | mbalmer: why won't a generic solution work? |
| 22:07 | mbalmer | so it's not enough for other DBs to create a functional equivalent, it has to be functional equivalent and mimick MySQL (which is wrong on son many levels, of course) |
| 22:07 | jcamins | mbalmer: wouldn't it be better to work to actually eliminate MySQLisms? |
| 22:08 | mbalmer | jcamins, just look how "SHOW COLUMS FROM" in C4/ImportExport…. is being used. |
| 22:08 | It totally ecpects a MySQL result. | |
| 22:08 | bad code... | |
| 22:08 | jcamins | mbalmer: okay, so why don't we fix the code? |
| 22:09 | mbalmer | dunno. we provide a solution. |
| 22:09 | jcamins | With the long term goal being stability, sustainability, and general good quality, that would seem preferable. |
| 22:09 | mbalmer | minimally invasive. |
| 22:10 | yeah, long term goals... | |
| 22:10 | jcamins | Minimally invasive is good, but then we end up with things like SQL Helper. |
| 22:10 | mbalmer | did you actually look at what we proposed? |
| 22:11 | jcamins | mbalmer: I did. |
| 22:11 | mbalmer | and, you are against it? |
| 22:11 | jcamins | Not categorically, I just don't see enough benefit to justify writing our own special-purpose DBI layer. |
| 22:12 | mbalmer | you have stock in MySQL ? ;) |
| 22:12 | I see A LOT OF BENEFIT in this solution. | |
| 22:12 | and it is not a DBI layer. | |
| 22:12 | rangi | if its in capitals it must be true |
| 22:13 | mbalmer | comeon, you know exactly what this is about. generating SQL fragment for the DB in use, not more, not less. |
| 22:13 | It is not even a layer of abstraction imo. | |
| 22:14 | rangi, it's only louder, not truer ;) | |
| 22:14 | jcamins | mbalmer: that's probably why I look at it and don't think it's a good idea while you look at it and think it is. Having read through the code, I would consider it a special-purpose abstraction layer. |
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| 22:15 | oleonard | bag around? |
| 22:15 | bag | we are on it oleonard |
| 22:15 | mbalmer | jcamins, well we can wait forever to support postgresql. here is a solution that works, that is clean and easy to understand, and which does the job right. |
| 22:15 | bag | :D |
| 22:15 | oleonard | Gotcha, thanx |
| 22:15 | bag | been watching it for a bit now ;) |
| 22:16 | looks to be OOM... | |
| 22:16 | mbalmer | and it does not need us to changed the DB stuff to much or apply a complete new paradigm. |
| 22:16 | jcamins | And if I'm abstracting things, I want something truly abstract. |
| 22:17 | So when next-cool-RDMS comes along, *I* don't have to do the work to support it. | |
| 22:17 | mbalmer: provided the work doesn't break existing functionality, I don't suppose I really care that much. | |
| 22:17 | mbalmer | it does not break existing stuff. that was one of the prerequisites. |
| 22:18 | and it's really a baby-steps approach | |
| 22:18 | jcamins | Oh, one other requirement from me: it has to be not horrible to maintain. |
| 22:20 | mbalmer | sorry, we can't accomplish that, since it has to be written in Perl ;P |
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| 22:21 | mbalmer | jokes aside, it even comes with a unit test |
| 22:23 | any of the Marseille guys around? | |
| 22:24 | bag | rangi I think I got you beat with weather today |
| 22:24 | eythian_bucklame | it's 11.25pm there, so probably not so much |
| 22:24 | bag | @wunder 93109 |
| 22:24 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 20.5°C (3:23 PM PDT on March 21, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
| 22:24 | rangi | highly likely |
| 22:24 | @wunder nzwn | |
| 22:24 | bag | ouch 20C |
| 22:24 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on March 22, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Rising). |
| 22:24 | eythian_bucklame | @wunder auckland,nz |
| 22:24 | huginn | eythian_bucklame: The current temperature in Auckland, New Zealand is 21.0°C (11:00 AM NZDT on March 22, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising). |
| 22:24 | bag | oh eythian_bucklame with the close win |
| 22:24 | .5 ahead | |
| 22:25 | eythian_bucklame | of course, we had subtropical type rains yesterday. Quite nice now though. |
| 22:26 | oleonard | mbalmer, I'm around for a moment |
| 22:26 | ...not that I have anything to bring to your discussion | |
| 22:26 | mbalmer | oleanard, just make sure noone never orders Andouillette in a restaurant, it's horrible... |
| 22:27 | that was a local marseille announcement only ;) | |
| 22:27 | tomorrow I plan to work on the SIP server | |
| 22:28 | * oleonard | Googles Andouillette, and finds the second result refer to it as "French Pig-Colon Sausage" |
| 22:29 | oleonard | Wow, it really sounds horrible! |
| 22:29 | mbalmer | yeah, it is. |
| 22:29 | I needed a strong Cognac after it ;) | |
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| 22:30 | mbalmer | been here, done that, tried andouillette ;) |
| 22:30 | bag | oh yeah oleonard - back up :) |
| 22:35 | oleonard | ? |
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| 22:36 | Judit | hi |
| 22:36 | wahanui | hey, Judit |
| 22:39 | magnuse | hiya Judit |
| 22:41 | mbalmer | what you using as self checkout hardware? and what os? |
| 22:42 | what _are_ you using ... | |
| 22:43 | rangi | so Koha uses DBI already right |
| 22:43 | and DBI has column_info | |
| 22:44 | so thats show columns done for all RDBMS supported by DBI | |
| 22:44 | has tables() too | |
| 22:44 | for a list of table names | |
| 22:44 | mbalmer | if only it was used that way in Koha |
| 22:45 | rangi | well how about instead of doing tableColumns |
| 22:45 | in DBQ | |
| 22:45 | in 2 ways 1 for postgres and one for mysql | |
| 22:45 | Judit | is there a list somewhere with the official supported browsesr for koha |
| 22:45 | rangi | just do it one way .. using DBI |
| 22:45 | oleonard | Judit, Any modern browser other than Internet Explorer (for the staff client) |
| 22:45 | mbalmer | as we said many times, we want a minimal invasive solution. |
| 22:45 | jcamins | Judit: there is not, but basically any recent browsers that aren't IE should work. :) |
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| 22:46 | oleonard | Judit, And any modern browser for the OPAC |
| 22:46 | rangi | how is that more invasive? |
| 22:46 | mbalmer | we just change the SQL, nothing more. |
| 22:46 | rangi | we already have a DBI handle |
| 22:46 | you must be changing somehting to call tableColumns | |
| 22:46 | mbalmer | and we just make sure the SQL works. No other changes. |
| 22:46 | rangi | else whats the point |
| 22:47 | oh look you do | |
| 22:47 | - my $query = 'SHOW COLUMNS FROM ' . $table; | |
| 22:47 | - my $sth = $dbh->prepare($query); | |
| 22:47 | + my $dbq = C4::DBQ->dbq; | |
| 22:47 | + my $sth = $dbh->prepare($dbq->tableColumns($table)); | |
| 22:47 | now why not have tableColumns work in a Database independent manner, instead of just for 2 db's ? | |
| 22:48 | Judit | thanks |
| 22:48 | mbalmer | it is DB independent. |
| 22:48 | rangi | only if your db is postgres or mysql |
| 22:48 | mbalmer | we just provide two implementations, more can be added. |
| 22:48 | rangi | look |
| 22:48 | if you just use column_info | |
| 22:48 | * oleonard | heads for bed... luckily in this room it's not far! |
| 22:48 | rangi | you'd have 16 |
| 22:49 | mbalmer | unrealistic. |
| 22:49 | Koha is MySQL only. | |
| 22:49 | rangi | ok i give up |
| 22:49 | if you want to reimplement DBI.pm | |
| 22:49 | go for it | |
| 22:49 | im just pointing out a 3 line change would make your patch now be able to show columns for 16 databases not just 2 | |
| 22:50 | mbalmer | you don't see the real problem. |
| 22:50 | rangi | yes im stupid |
| 22:50 | youve told me that before | |
| 22:50 | sekjal joined #koha | |
| 22:51 | mbalmer | it makes no sense to discuss with you. whenever you are ready to enter a technical discussion, please tell me. |
| 22:51 | rangi | *sigh* |
| 22:51 | i gave you code snippets .. but whatever im done | |
| 22:52 | sekjal: you back again? | |
| 22:52 | bag | heya sekjal |
| 22:52 | sekjal | rangi, bag: yes, I'm back |
| 22:52 | can't stay away from #koha! | |
| 22:52 | bag | sekjal++ |
| 22:53 | awesome! | |
| 22:53 | it's better than drugs, MAN | |
| 22:53 | magnuse | yeah man, like totally |
| 22:54 | mbalmer | rangi, even if the SQL statements are DB independent, Koha still expects MySQL results. Which is wrong on so many levels. E.g. it expects a column 'Field' as result of 'SHOW COLUMNS FROM'. That is non-portable, to say the least. |
| 22:54 | rangi | i understand that |
| 22:55 | thats why i propose making it use DBI->table_info and DBI->column_info | |
| 22:55 | mbalmer | so we made the PostgreSQL part return that information like it came from MySQL, as 'Field' |
| 22:55 | rangi | fwiw when i first wrote koha, it was written on postgres mysql support came later |
| 22:55 | and then the postgres ssupport got broken | |
| 22:56 | but I use postgres at work on a daily basis, and I like it better than mysql | |
| 22:56 | but i think that DBI has a routine to get column names that is db independent | |
| 22:56 | mbalmer | rangi, yes, in the end that is what needs to be done. DBQ just enables us to use PostgreSQL right now without to many changes. In the end, the DB layer has to be reworked a bit. |
| 22:56 | rangi | and that we could just make your tableNames a wrapper to that |
| 22:58 | mbalmer | stephane and I wanted to make the bare minimum to make it DB indepdendent. of course you are right that in the end proper DBI usage is what we want. |
| 22:59 | * rangi | goes to get coffee |
| 22:59 | mbalmer | In the long term, C4::DBQ has no business in Koha. It is really a transition vehicle, imo. |
| 22:59 | * sekjal | is catching up... so this is all in regards to the work for bug 7365? |
| 22:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7365 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Koha uses MySQL |
| 22:59 | magnuse | mbalmer: would "proper DBI usage" be much harder to implement than C4::DBQ? |
| 23:00 | mbalmer | sekjal, yes. and also look at the wiki page. |
| 23:00 | magnuse, we think yes. | |
| 23:01 | we really wanted to be minimally invasive. just do the very basic changes needed. | |
| 23:01 | sekjal | mbalmer: reading... |
| 23:01 | mbalmer | it's incomplete, of course. |
| 23:04 | even if we make the database layer DB independent, the upper layers of Koha still often expect MySQL results, that is part of the problem (or fun…) | |
| 23:05 | sekjal | I'm seeing 8 C4 modules that have some kind of "show columns from" call |
| 23:05 | most of them are on-offs, except ImportExportFramework.pm | |
| 23:05 | rangi | they all seem to want an array of column names |
| 23:06 | so if tableNames used column_info to do that .. could junk all of those ? | |
| 23:06 | * jcamins | has found a kitchen scale. :D |
| 23:06 | rangi | baking jcamins ? |
| 23:06 | jcamins | Apparently there are kitchen scales that support baker's percentages directly! |
| 23:06 | Judit | u |
| 23:06 | can i have one | |
| 23:06 | please | |
| 23:06 | cjh | bakers percentages? |
| 23:06 | jcamins | rangi: not until we've moved, but the kitchen scale isn't moving with us, so I need a new one. |
| 23:07 | * cjh | runs off to google |
| 23:07 | rangi | ahhh |
| 23:07 | mbalmer | even worse, in one place DESCRIBE is used, discarding all results, then SHOW COLUMNS FROM. Some of the SQL code is really funky. |
| 23:07 | jcamins | mbalmer: those are bugs. They need fixing, regardless of postgres/mysql use. |
| 23:07 | mbalmer | ack. |
| 23:07 | and it's part of our patch, btw. | |
| 23:08 | jcamins | cjh: baker's percentages are awesome. Much easier than anything else. |
| 23:08 | cjh | jcamins: if im reading this right it uses the quantity of flour as the base unit and then gives everything else relatively? |
| 23:08 | sekjal | oh, nix that, 7 C4 modules... C4/Letters.pm has that area commented out |
| 23:08 | mbalmer | so. midnight here, need to catch some zzz . cu tomorrow. |
| 23:08 | sekjal | goodnight, mbalmer |
| 23:09 | mbalmer | gn8 all! |
| 23:09 | sekjal | oh, actually, 6... Auth_with_ldap uses that in it's docs, not the code |
| 23:09 | cjh | bakers units make scaling the recipe easy :o |
| 23:09 | and by units, i mean percentages. | |
| 23:10 | jcamins | cjh: right. |
| 23:11 | cjh: and given that I bake... a lot... when I'm baking, that's useful. | |
| 23:11 | eythian_bucklame | just so long as the flours isn't measured in furlongs, or whatever you people use :) |
| 23:12 | *flour | |
| 23:12 | cjh | heh |
| 23:12 | Judit | i hate the cup |
| 23:12 | so unclear | |
| 23:12 | cjh | but guessing is fun :p |
| 23:12 | Judit | and there is australian cup and US cup |
| 23:13 | jcamins | Judit: exactly! |
| 23:13 | Judit | gram is the only sensible way |
| 23:13 | unfortunately most of the population thinks otherwise | |
| 23:13 | eythian_bucklame | and the liquid cup, and the fluffy cup, and the Elbonian cup... |
| 23:13 | jcamins | Judit: and with my new kitchen scale, I will be able to use it! |
| 23:13 | eythian_bucklame | and the gold cup |
| 23:14 | jcamins | (the gram, that is) |
| 23:14 | Judit | eythian :D |
| 23:15 | jcamins | Kitchen scale ordered. |
| 23:15 | Judit | which one? |
| 23:15 | wahanui | it has been said that which one is it |
| 23:15 | Judit | the baker percentage scale? |
| 23:15 | jcamins | http://www.amazon.com/My-Weigh[…]top/dp/B001NE0FU2 |
| 23:15 | Yup. | |
| 23:15 | Judit | ah |
| 23:21 | * jcamins | taps his foot impatiently waiting for his new scale to arrive. |
| 23:21 | jcamins | It'll just be another week or so. |
| 23:21 | Judit | :) |
| 23:21 | until then, you can start collecting recipes | |
| 23:22 | jcamins | Judit: yay! |
| 23:22 | Judit | i have just amde a rosemary quince cake th eother day |
| 23:23 | jcamins | Rosemary quince cake? |
| 23:23 | That sounds delicious. | |
| 23:23 | Judit | very interesting |
| 23:23 | and delicious | |
| 23:24 | jcamins | Like this: http://staging.leapdesign.com:[…]ipped-cream-1222/ ? |
| 23:24 | Hm. Doing that without a spring form pan would be rather difficult. | |
| 23:25 | Judit | it is not |
| 23:25 | and vanilla is not for quince | |
| 23:25 | jcamins | Judit: no? I'd think it'd stick something awful. |
| 23:26 | Judit | well i used one of those silicon "papers" |
| 23:27 | and the butter and almond makes it pretty oily too | |
| 23:27 | jcamins | Ah, that makes sense. |
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| 23:28 | Judit | aand, april is chestnut picking month here: quince and chestnut soup….. |
| 23:28 | jcamins | Mmm. |
| 23:30 | * magnuse | finally got around to writing the README for his little project at https://github.com/MagnusEnger/semantikoha |
| 23:33 | jcamins | Woohoo! |
| 23:33 | magnuse++ | |
| 23:34 | magnuse | yay :-) |
| 23:36 | chris_n` joined #koha | |
| 23:39 | rangi | magnuse++ |
| 23:39 | sekjal | magnuse++ this looks like something I'd like to play with |
| 23:39 | magnuse | sekjal: feel free ;-) |
| 23:40 | sekjal | I want to compile information about my library objects from multiple sources, since some places do some things better than others |
| 23:41 | magnuse | sekjal: then linked data/RDF is your friend |
| 23:42 | chris_n` joined #koha | |
| 23:43 | magnuse | oops, my nightly cronjobs are kicking in - time to bid you all a good night! |
| 23:44 | chris_n` joined #koha | |
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| 23:54 | sekjal | wow, lots of t/db_dependent failures on current master |
| 23:54 | rangi | you have the sample db installed ? |
| 23:54 | ouch | |
| 23:55 | yeah | |
| 23:55 | 7310 | |
| 23:55 | bug 7310 | |
| 23:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) |
| 23:55 | rangi | http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Build/testReport/ |
| 23:56 | jcamins | Ouch! |
| 23:56 | I wonder why... when I signed off, all the tests passed. | |
| 23:56 | Granted, that was a month ago. | |
| 23:57 | rangi | it could be db on jenkins |
| 23:57 | sekjal | rangi: no, not running sample db... using wizzyrea's |
| 23:57 | rangi | http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]n_we_should__73_/ |
| 23:58 | sekjal | I've fixed the Acquistions error.. patch is on bug 5347 |
| 23:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5347 enhancement, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , late order management |
| 23:58 | jcamins | All tests in virtualshelves.t pass for me. |
| 23:59 | rangi | ill check the db on jenkins |
| 23:59 | after i eat my sushi | |
| 23:59 | sekjal | ah, interesting... BackgroundJob fails if your DB isn't up to date |
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