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| 10:30 | alohalog` joined #koha | |
| 10:30 | Topic for #koha is now 3.6.4 and 3.4.8 and 3.2.11 Now Available || Koha Community Website - http://www.koha-community.org || Koha Community Official IRC Channel || Paste - http://paste.koha-community.org | |
| 11:19 | mbalmer | SIP login from C program to Koha already works.. |
| 11:22 | cait | cool |
| 11:29 | mbalmer | now let's see if I can scan the patron card at the POS terminal and retrieve patron status and due fees from Koha .. |
| 11:30 | cait | mbalmer: perhaps look for feepaid in bugzilla - the fee payment support is rather new and might not support the whole standard |
| 11:31 | mbalmer | tnx for the hint |
| 11:31 | cait | sure :) |
| 11:56 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 12:18 | Oak | hello cait. |
| 12:18 | mbalmer | hah! got the checksumming right, Koha responds properly to my SIP SC Status message |
| 12:18 | cait | Oak: hello Oak |
| 12:19 | :) | |
| 12:28 | mbalmer | I wonder if my SIP implementation will also work with a Sunrise system.. |
| 12:52 | NateC joined #koha | |
| 13:00 | NateC joined #koha | |
| 13:13 | mbalmer | two nice C functions help with SIP: sip_printf() and sip_scanf() |
| 13:44 | seneca joined #koha | |
| 13:45 | seneca | Buongiorno! |
| 13:46 | cait | hi seneca |
| 13:46 | seneca | <-- just got back from Italy. :) |
| 13:46 | anyone ever have their mysql db grow very large in a short time? | |
| 13:46 | At least, I think that's what happened. | |
| 13:47 | It seems my koha db is ~23GB - it has grown so much it has filled the filesystem and crashed mysqld. | |
| 13:47 | cait | oh |
| 13:47 | session table perhaps? | |
| 13:47 | seneca | I have to admit, though, that I wasn't really paying attention to how big it was before I left... |
| 13:48 | Maybe it just got that big naturally? | |
| 13:48 | there's only about 21k items... | |
| 13:48 | cait | hm not so likely then |
| 13:49 | seneca | That's what I was thinking. Is there a way to clear the session table? |
| 13:50 | ...or a way to see the sizes of individual tables in a db? | |
| 13:51 | cait | not sure about seeing sizes |
| 13:51 | we clean the sessiont able every night | |
| 13:51 | you could just truncate it - but it will log out all current users | |
| 13:51 | seneca | at you installation? |
| 13:52 | we're a school and it's a weekend, so I'm not too worried about that. ;) | |
| 13:52 | jcamins_away | Almost certainly sessions table. |
| 13:52 | Truncate it. | |
| 13:53 | seneca | I think I know how to check the number of rows...should there only be active logins in the sessions table? |
| 13:53 | jcamins_away | seneca: it will be every session ever, if you haven't been truncating regularly. |
| 13:53 | seneca | hmmm |
| 13:53 | I see | |
| 13:53 | let me check the rows... | |
| 13:53 | NateC joined #koha | |
| 13:54 | seneca | 8353708 rows |
| 13:54 | ha! | |
| 13:54 | yeah | |
| 13:54 | that seems ridiculously high | |
| 13:54 | cait | seneca: there is a cronjob you can use to clean it every night |
| 13:55 | seneca | I think that's more sessions than possible... |
| 13:56 | We've only been running this install for a couple of years, and we're a school of about 500 users... | |
| 13:56 | odd | |
| 13:56 | I should certainly truncate it, though | |
| 13:56 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 13:56 | Hopefully it will work. | |
| 13:56 | Culiforge left #koha | |
| 13:57 | seneca | ok |
| 13:57 | truncated it... | |
| 13:57 | cait | seneca: bots |
| 13:57 | seneca | but it's growing... first check after truncated shows 5 rows |
| 13:57 | then 19 | |
| 13:57 | now 29 | |
| 13:58 | jcamins | Wow! |
| 13:58 | Run netstat. | |
| 13:58 | seneca | guess I found a problem! |
| 13:58 | jcamins | Yes, I think so. |
| 13:58 | seneca | I have an established connection to a "66.249.71.147:47278" |
| 13:59 | but that's it | |
| 13:59 | jcamins | I have no idea what it could be, but that's a big problem. |
| 13:59 | cait | paul_p mentioned they had massive problems with bots the last few weeks |
| 14:00 | I wonder if activating a robots.txt would help? | |
| 14:01 | Callender_ joined #koha | |
| 14:01 | seneca | hmm... |
| 14:02 | ha! | |
| 14:02 | mtate joined #koha | |
| 14:02 | seneca | that ip seems to be a google bot |
| 14:02 | should that be generating sessions? | |
| 14:03 | I was thinking sessions were only logins | |
| 14:03 | jcamins | seneca: every connection creates a session. |
| 14:03 | Nope. | |
| 14:03 | seneca | ah |
| 14:03 | that explains it | |
| 14:03 | where should the robots.txt go? | |
| 14:03 | cait | hm |
| 14:03 | there is a sample file | |
| 14:03 | in the main directory I think | |
| 14:10 | Guillaume joined #koha | |
| 14:14 | seneca | OK, went for the sample robots.txt that blocks everything |
| 14:14 | just to test | |
| 14:15 | cait | did it help? |
| 14:15 | seneca | still am connected to that google bot, and the sessions are still growing... |
| 14:15 | 113 sessions in about 4 minutes | |
| 14:15 | cait | hm |
| 14:15 | can you block it? | |
| 14:15 | or kick it out? | |
| 14:15 | seneca | probably ;) |
| 14:16 | Am I thinking correctly: I don't have to do anything to "activate" a robots.txt file, right? | |
| 14:16 | Those crawlers that will pay attention to it will just start paying attention to it, I think... | |
| 14:17 | cait | no |
| 14:17 | I don't think yo have | |
| 14:17 | did you play clean? | |
| 14:18 | seneca | I'm not sure what you mean |
| 14:21 | cait | wrong window :) |
| 14:21 | sorry :) | |
| 14:23 | seneca | oh...:) |
| 14:23 | jcamins | seneca: Scrabble has taken #koha by storm. ;) |
| 14:24 | seneca | hehe |
| 14:25 | mbalmer | ahah... |
| 14:25 | seneca | another db question while I work on blocking the google bot: I've truncated the sessions table but didn't get any filesystem space back. Is there a way to do get it back from the db? |
| 14:25 | mbalmer | when requesting patron information over SIP, Koha sets field AF to "Greetings from Koha". |
| 14:32 | cait | mbalmer: I think it always did that |
| 14:32 | seems to be no problem, the machines ignore it | |
| 14:32 | mbalmer | friendly Koha ;) |
| 14:33 | I can now scan a patron card at the _point of sale terminal_ and it retrieves patron information using SIP. that's a great start. | |
| 14:41 | cait | :) |
| 14:42 | jcamins | You know, SSL is possibly the worst-designed technology I have ever had the misfortune of using. |
| 14:43 | Basically all the instructions come down to "and then everything will work." | |
| 14:43 | When it doesn't work, your only option is to use curl. | |
| 14:43 | Koha is not particularly curl-friendly. | |
| 14:44 | cait | hm |
| 14:44 | what is curl? | |
| 14:44 | wahanui | i think curl is pretty slick :-) |
| 14:44 | jcamins | cait: it's like wget. |
| 14:44 | Fancier, but it's still a command line tool for retrieving things over HTTP. | |
| 14:44 | * jcamins | prefers not to do his web browsing by reading HTML source. |
| 14:50 | cait | hm |
| 14:52 | mbalmer | that would be like operating a library over SIP insteaf of using the staff client….. |
| 14:53 | jcamins | mbalmer: unpleasant. |
| 14:53 | mbalmer | anyway, got further with my C SIP implementation that I thought. |
| 14:53 | s/that/than/ | |
| 14:55 | * jcamins | sighs. |
| 14:55 | jcamins | That was just depressing. |
| 14:56 | mbalmer | ?? |
| 14:56 | cait | didn't gt it working? |
| 14:56 | jcamins | mbalmer: I've been trying to test bug 6926 for the last 24 hours. |
| 14:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6926 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, paul.poulain, Pushed to Master , overdue_notices don't send itemcount to notification |
| 14:56 | jcamins | No. |
| 14:56 | Bug 6296 | |
| 14:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6296 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, robin, Failed QA , Allow authentication to Koha via PKI / x.509 certificates |
| 14:56 | jcamins | That's the one. |
| 14:56 | I *finally* managed to figure out how to test it, and it doesn't work! | |
| 14:57 | cait | ouch |
| 14:57 | jcamins | (and, yes, it deserves a "finally managed to figure out how to test";) |
| 14:57 | cait | make robin fix it? |
| 14:57 | jcamins | cait: that's the plan. |
| 14:59 | I think eythian attached the wrong patch. :( | |
| 14:59 | * cait | sends cookies |
| 15:00 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 15:00 | Oh, BTW... | |
| 15:00 | SSL-- | |
| 15:00 | @karma ssl | |
| 15:00 | huginn | jcamins: Karma for "ssl" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. |
| 15:00 | jcamins | SSL-- |
| 15:00 | @karma ssl | |
| 15:00 | huginn | jcamins: Karma for "ssl" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2. |
| 15:00 | jcamins | Better, anyway. |
| 15:20 | mbalmer | ah crap, the SIP response to "patron status" sent by Koha is in the wrong order (violates SIP spec imo) |
| 15:22 | jcamins | mbalmer: you should sign off on bugs 3638 and 6273, since you're working on SIP. |
| 15:22 | seneca | OK, update for everyone |
| 15:23 | mbalmer | I am working on a C client implememtation, fwiw, jcamins |
| 15:23 | seneca | b/c I know you're dying to find out ;) |
| 15:23 | my super-huge db was due to the sessions table | |
| 15:23 | jcamins | mbalmer: yeah, so you'll have a working testbed. |
| 15:23 | cait | mbalmer: the problem with sip patches is that it's hard to find someone testing them |
| 15:23 | mbalmer | took a note of those bug numbers |
| 15:24 | well, I _have_ a working SIP client now. | |
| 15:24 | seneca | I was able to truncate the sessions table, but - as is expected, I guess - the db didn't shrink to a smaller size |
| 15:24 | however, the steps here: http://forums.mysql.com/read.php?35,121880,121886 | |
| 15:24 | worked great | |
| 15:25 | and I even did this: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refma[…]-tablespaces.html | |
| 15:25 | cait | Sorry, 'JEDI' may be misspelled or may be a proper noun! !!! |
| 15:25 | seneca | to ensure that if it happens again, I only need to deal with one table, not the entire db |
| 15:25 | jcamins | seneca: a good idea. |
| 15:25 | seneca | I've got a really restrictive robots.txt in place now, so I hope that will save some space/bandwidth |
| 15:26 | and I'm going to look into that cronjob that truncates the sessions table every night | |
| 15:26 | as I'm still registering about 23 sessions per minute | |
| 15:26 | mbalmer | ok, fields can come in any order, that complicates bits a bit. |
| 15:28 | cait | you mean it makes it more... interesting |
| 15:28 | jcamins | interesting? |
| 15:29 | mbalmer | exactly ;) |
| 15:29 | jcamins | mbalmer: I was trying to get wahanui to chime in. |
| 15:29 | mbalmer | byte fiddling in C. and in the end I will have a nice Lua interface to SIP and Koha |
| 15:29 | that's a bot, right? | |
| 15:29 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 15:30 | What exactly will be the use of a lua interface? | |
| 15:30 | mbalmer | our point of sale and self check systems are largely written in Lua(or rather, are scriptable in Lua) |
| 15:31 | that will not be part of Koha, obviously. | |
| 15:32 | but Koha is my SIP testbed, that is how I came to Koha in the first place. By sheer accident we are now promoting Koha itself in Switzerland ;) | |
| 15:32 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 15:33 | Are you planning on releasing this as open source? | |
| 15:33 | It seems like a C client like this would greatly simplify testing SIP. | |
| 15:33 | mbalmer | no plans for opensource yet. but the C client and Lua interface could possibly be released as opensource. |
| 15:34 | it's a Unix library, linsip, and a lua module 'sip'. and maybe a command line tool 'sipctl'. | |
| 15:35 | s/linsip/libsip/ | |
| 15:35 | jcamins | You should consider it. |
| 15:36 | mbalmer | I have no objections. |
| 15:36 | A SIP library is not competitive advantage for our product, it's how we use SIP that makes it unique, I guess. | |
| 15:37 | but the code is still very young, I only started today. | |
| 15:37 | seneca | Thanks for everyone's help! |
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| 16:08 | Oak | http://www.theatlantic.com/mag[…]g-us-stupid/6868/ |
| 16:09 | jcamins | They said that about the printing press, too. |
| 16:12 | Oak | what do you mean? they said printing press will make us stupid? |
| 16:13 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 16:14 | Oak | how? :) |
| 16:19 | * jcamins | didn't read the article just now, but I think that I read it before. |
| 16:19 | jcamins | Oak: doomsayers claimed that people stopped thinking for themselves. |
| 16:20 | They also claimed it was the end of the manuscript, and the century after the introduction of the printing press was the high point in manuscript production. | |
| 16:20 | Oak | hmm. |
| 16:20 | * jcamins | thinks pundits are always wrong. |
| 16:45 | jcamins | Yay! git.biblibre.com is back! |
| 16:45 | I can sign off on bug 3216! | |
| 16:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3216 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, frederic, Needs Signoff , UNIMARC author facets |
| 16:46 | cait | yay! |
| 17:21 | jcamins | bug 7700 |
| 17:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7700 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Cart's more details view shows identity numbers |
| 17:24 | cait | bug 7671 |
| 17:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7671 major, P5 - low, ---, stephane.delaune, ASSIGNED , add a real primary key "id" in accountlines |
| 17:24 | jcamins | But 7617, sorry. |
| 17:25 | *Bug 7617 | |
| 17:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7617 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , Authority search results should optionally be sorted by system order |
| 17:25 | jcamins | Though bug 7671 *is* a good one. |
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| 18:03 | mveron joined #koha | |
| 18:25 | jcamins | bug 6831 |
| 18:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6831 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Enhanced Workflow for adding analytical records |
| 18:28 | druthb joined #koha | |
| 18:28 | druthb | o/ |
| 18:30 | cait | hiya ruth :) |
| 18:30 | jcamins | o/ |
| 18:31 | cait | jcamins++ |
| 18:31 | druthb | jcamins++ |
| 18:31 | cait++ | |
| 18:31 | cait | hmpf |
| 18:31 | druthb | what? |
| 18:33 | * druthb | got hmpfed, and doesn't know why. |
| 18:33 | druthb | n meanie cait won't tell me *why*... |
| 18:33 | * cait | is a lazy cait |
| 18:33 | cait | don't deserve karma |
| 18:56 | mbalmer | re |
| 18:56 | today was a good day | |
| 18:57 | * mbalmer | tamed SIP |
| 18:58 | mbalmer | and if absolutely needed, I think I can make my C SIP library open source under the GPL. |
| 18:59 | jcamins | mbalmer: it's not that it's needed, it's that making it open source means that others might be able to make use of your work. |
| 19:00 | mbalmer | I know, and if that leads to a better SIP server, I also profit. |
| 19:00 | jcamins | Right. |
| 19:02 | mbalmer | so maybe, oneday, who knows, it will be opensource ;) |
| 19:05 | jcamins | unimarc? |
| 19:05 | wahanui | well, unimarc is http://www.ifla.org/en/publica[…]ted-documentation |
| 19:05 | cait | thx jcamins :) |
| 19:07 | mbalmer | jcamins, will you be in marseillle? |
| 19:07 | jcamins | mbalmer: nope. |
| 19:07 | mbalmer | ok |
| 19:07 | * cait | still hopes he will be in scotland |
| 19:07 | jcamins | cait: me too, though it's hard to see how. |
| 19:08 | :( | |
| 19:08 | cait | hmf :( |
| 19:08 | mbalmer | I think we already booked flights for edinburgh |
| 19:08 | jcamins | Ticket prices are outrageous... last time I was there, I could buy *two* round-trip tickets for the price of one ticket for the summer. |
| 19:08 | cait | :( |
| 19:41 | Space_Librarian joined #koha | |
| 19:43 | * jcamins_away | thinks "Liiibraariaaaaaannnnnnnssss iiiiiiiinnnnn spaaaaaaaace" every time you sign in. |
| 19:45 | * Space_Librarian | walks out of her TARDIS and locks it. |
| 19:46 | looks at wizzyrea_away, making sure she's nowhere near the time machine. | |
| 19:46 | * jcamins_away | also pictures muppets in space suits carrying books. :) |
| 19:46 | Space_Librarian | muppets?! |
| 19:46 | jcamins_away | Space_Librarian: yes, isn't that the name of the movie? "Muppets in space"? |
| 19:48 | cait | :) |
| 19:48 | * cait | waves |
| 19:48 | Brooke joined #koha | |
| 19:48 | Brooke | kia ora |
| 19:49 | Space_Librarian | don't know the movie... |
| 19:50 | * Space_Librarian | is fighting some serious fires with Koha, lists, and expiring links. |
| 19:53 | jcamins_away | Expiring links? |
| 19:53 | Space_Librarian: neither do I. | |
| 19:53 | ibeardslee | Space_Librarian: I have it at home, shall bring it in for next time you pop in to BoC |
| 19:53 | jcamins_away | Told you there was a movie by that title! :D |
| 19:54 | ibeardslee | .. actually Muppet From Space |
| 19:54 | Muppets in Space was the short segment | |
| 19:54 | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0158811/ | |
| 19:55 | Brooke | I just remember Pigs in Space, but it could easily be a misremembrance |
| 19:57 | Topic for #koha is now druthb boo | |
| 19:57 | ibeardslee | no, it was Pigs in Space |
| 19:57 | Topic for #koha is now General IRC Meeting 21 March | |
| 19:57 | ibeardslee | as the short segment |
| 19:58 | Topic for #koha is now General IRC Meeting 21 March 18.00 UTC | |
| 19:58 | jcamins_away | That might be the day that we move. |
| 19:58 | Or it might be a week before. | |
| 19:58 | Brooke | oh sweet |
| 19:58 | have fun moving | |
| 20:03 | @later tell druthb remind me to tell you my macho gym story | |
| 20:03 | huginn | Brooke: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:03 | Space_Librarian | jcamins_away: yes, expiring links/return to loging page, etc - depends on whether you're using IE/Chrome/Firefox |
| 20:03 | * Space_Librarian | is still bemused by muppets |
| 20:04 | Brooke | is it the timeout jiggermawhatsit |
| 20:04 | because before I set that to like a jillion | |
| 20:04 | it was annoying | |
| 20:04 | and I find Koha on anything but firefox pretty durn frustrating | |
| 20:04 | so whip yer coworkers until they cooperate | |
| 20:09 | cait | @later tell magnuse - I need your help :) can you tell me if 773 is using the same fields subfields than marc21 does? :) |
| 20:09 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:09 | cait | hi Brooke |
| 20:09 | Brooke | hey cait :D |
| 20:09 | jcamins_away | cait: it does. |
| 20:09 | cait | I checked the 773 documentation |
| 20:09 | but does all content come from the same fields? was not sure about that | |
| 20:13 | jcamins_away | When I asked magnuse, he said it was close enough. |
| 20:13 | cait | ok |
| 20:13 | I think it is quite close | |
| 20:13 | there are additional subfields for language and country cods | |
| 20:14 | Brooke | half of MARC and cataloguing is close enough |
| 20:14 | cait | but we don't use that subfields |
| 20:14 | * Brooke | applies the Home Repair Rule to cataloguing. |
| 20:14 | Space_Librarian | Brooke: how do you set the timeout? |
| 20:14 | jcamins_away | Brooke: If you can do a bad job, do it, then the next owners will have to redo it? |
| 20:15 | Space_Librarian | it's fine with internal nav, but people don't use the internal nav |
| 20:15 | jcamins_away | Internal nav? |
| 20:15 | Brooke | jcamins: as long as your half arsed jorb is better than the last half arsed jorb, things are marginally better |
| 20:15 | because it's never going to be perfect. | |
| 20:16 | jcamins_away | Heh. |
| 20:17 | Space_Librarian | using the buttons in koha |
| 20:17 | jcamins_away | Oh. |
| 20:17 | Space_Librarian | if you're using the browser buttons things fall off |
| 20:17 | jcamins_away | Got it. |
| 20:18 | There's nothing you can do to avoid that. If they hit back to go back past the login page, they'll lose their session. | |
| 20:18 | Brooke | Login>Administration>System Preferences > Login Options > Timeout |
| 20:18 | jcamins_away | ^^ that will help a bit, though. |
| 20:18 | Brooke | took me a sec to find it |
| 20:18 | because we've a boatload of preferences now | |
| 20:18 | * Brooke | gets back in the rocking chair on the porch. |
| 20:18 | jcamins_away | If you teach them to log in first thing, then open a new window to do all their work in (and close the first one), that problem will go away. |
| 20:19 | How one teaches that without a weapon I'm not entirely sure. :( | |
| 20:19 | Brooke | you get Pippa to call by with 3 slices of cheese and a clicker. |
| 20:19 | pretty soon you have dancing staff. | |
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| 20:21 | * Space_Librarian | goes to tinker. |
| 20:25 | kathryn joined #koha | |
| 20:27 | Space_Librarian | so. riddle me this, you fine people. |
| 20:27 | jcamins_away | What happened to this batch of fudge? |
| 20:27 | * jcamins_away | has *no* idea. |
| 20:28 | Space_Librarian | It was replaced with a couple of strong porters |
| 20:28 | ? | |
| 20:28 | cait | jcamins_away: you ate it all? |
| 20:28 | Space_Librarian | :p |
| 20:28 | cait | jcamins_away: my irish cream fudge? |
| 20:28 | Brooke | what version of fudge are you on |
| 20:28 | we need specifics. | |
| 20:28 | jcamins | cait: no, but it's kind of peculiar. |
| 20:29 | Brooke | is your platform gas or electric? |
| 20:29 | jcamins | cait: it's seized up. |
| 20:29 | Gas. | |
| 20:29 | Space_Librarian | not cool |
| 20:29 | jcamins | I've made lots of fudge here before. |
| 20:29 | Brooke | (good because Electric is proprietary bs.) |
| 20:29 | jcamins | Brooke: yeah, electric is awful. |
| 20:29 | I tried making fudge on electric a few times. | |
| 20:29 | Always an absolute disaster. | |
| 20:29 | Gas or wood is the way to go. | |
| 20:29 | * Brooke | cheats with chocolate and uses the microwave |
| 20:29 | Brooke | wood is AWESOME but it is so freggin picky |
| 20:30 | mbalmer | today was a cool day. got really far with sip. |
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| 20:30 | Brooke | you have to seduce wood into doing what you want, and when you succeed, naught beats it |
| 20:30 | way to go mbalmer | |
| 20:30 | don't try and rescue seized chocolate, you're prolly gonna wanna just rip your hair out | |
| 20:31 | if you absolutely must | |
| 20:31 | Space_Librarian | So. Once you login to the opac, there's a url to take you to the public lists (don't ask, this is just they way the want it). So you click on this link, and it askes you to login again. You do, and it takes you to the lists. That's cool. But everytime you want to go backto that url. It asks you to login. Not a timeout issue. What's with that? |
| 20:31 | mmmm. chocolate | |
| 20:31 | Brooke | sometimes warm milk will let you get away with redrum |
| 20:31 | Space_Librarian | sounds good right about now |
| 20:31 | Brooke | or a wee bit of alcohol |
| 20:31 | like chambord | |
| 20:31 | or grand marnier | |
| 20:31 | summat ye'd wanna drink | |
| 20:31 | jcamins | Space_Librarian: the link is wrong. |
| 20:31 | Space_Librarian: what's the link? | |
| 20:31 | wahanui | hmmm... the link is wrong. |
| 20:31 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 20:31 | cait | Space_Librarian: separate url's for staff and opac right? |
| 20:32 | you have to log in once for staff once for opac probably | |
| 20:32 | jcamins | Brooke: this is the weird thing... it's not the *chocolate* that's seized up. |
| 20:32 | It's the fudge. | |
| 20:32 | Space_Librarian | yep. I did all the lists in the opac though |
| 20:32 | jcamins | It's not set, it's seized. |
| 20:32 | Brooke | Sur La Table has guittard |
| 20:32 | it's the chocolate passing blame to the fudge dude | |
| 20:32 | trust me. | |
| 20:32 | Space_Librarian | how did your fudge seize? |
| 20:32 | cait | Space_Librarian: that's like it is then. if you are logged in for staff, you are not automatically also logged in into the opac |
| 20:33 | mbalmer | sip is quite fast to my surprise |
| 20:33 | jcamins | Brooke: I guess so, but it's really weird. |
| 20:33 | Brooke | did the humidity in the area do summat weird? |
| 20:33 | or the pan? | |
| 20:33 | jcamins | Brooke: must've been the pan. |
| 20:34 | Brooke | I <3 guittard because it's wonderful on the tastebuds and incredibly forgiving |
| 20:34 | jcamins | Space_Librarian: it's stiff, but there is no setting going on. It's very chewy, and generally peculiar. |
| 20:34 | Brooke | which is like a ridiculous combo |
| 20:34 | oh that's weird | |
| 20:34 | Space_Librarian | so it's almost like a toffee |
| 20:34 | Brooke | that's like air got into the sugar |
| 20:34 | Space_Librarian | that is weird |
| 20:34 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 20:34 | You see? | |
| 20:35 | Brooke | yes I do now |
| 20:35 | Space_Librarian | that is weird |
| 20:35 | jcamins | Weird. |
| 20:35 | Space_Librarian | what did you do? |
| 20:35 | jcamins | Space_Librarian: nothing particularly out of the ordinary. |
| 20:35 | Space_Librarian | cait: it's not an issue for me, it's an issue for the patrons |
| 20:35 | Brooke | did you beat the dickens out of it (I assume not since this woulda happened before...) |
| 20:35 | cait | Space_Librarian: oh |
| 20:35 | Space_Librarian | and they're not on the staff client |
| 20:35 | jcamins | Brooke: I tried, after it had hit softball stage, but it was kind of... unwilling to be beaten. |
| 20:36 | cait | Space_Librarian: sorry misunderstood |
| 20:36 | Space_Librarian: what does your link look like? | |
| 20:36 | Brooke | yeah if you beat the dickens out of it, there's your problem |
| 20:36 | because you basically treated the sugar crystalisation like you were making toffee or salt water candy | |
| 20:36 | Space_Librarian | cait: the url causing the problems? |
| 20:37 | Brooke | is it just one URL or many? |
| 20:37 | Space_Librarian | It's one. |
| 20:38 | We have it in a nav box on the left, and in the centre box - it's identical. The left one doesn't cause mass destruction, whereas the centre one does. And it's exactly the same url | |
| 20:38 | jcamins | Space_Librarian: what's the link that requires a new login look like? |
| 20:38 | Brooke | that's retarded. |
| 20:38 | jcamins | Brooke: I tried that because it had seized. It was already seized when I tried that, and I figured I couldn't make it worse. ;) |
| 20:38 | Space_Librarian: yup. | |
| 20:39 | Brooke | bringing us back to don't try to save seized choc or you're gonna wanna tear yer hair out :P |
| 20:39 | jcamins | Brooke: too late! |
| 20:40 | I came back and reported it was seized after I'd spent a while trying to save it. ;) | |
| 20:40 | Brooke | now you're just leading tech support on, jcamins :P |
| 20:40 | fudge is srs buisnass | |
| 20:40 | Space_Librarian | mmmm fudge |
| 20:42 | jcamins | Well, this is toffee. |
| 20:42 | Brooke | cooking > baking |
| 20:42 | jcamins | Now that it's cooled down, it is remarkably toffee-like. |
| 20:43 | Looks like Marseille is getting toffee. | |
| 20:43 | Brooke | XD |
| 20:43 | jcamins | I mean, I don't think that's quite how toffee is supposed to be made, but it works. |
| 20:43 | cait | Marseille? |
| 20:43 | wahanui | Marseille is a very contrasted city, some parts are gorgeous, other parts are... well... not so |
| 20:43 | jcamins | cait: yes... I heard there's a hackfest there. |
| 20:43 | cait | ! |
| 20:43 | mbalmer | I look forward to Koha and fish in marseille.. |
| 20:43 | cait | you are planning to send that toffee to marseille? |
| 20:43 | really? | |
| 20:44 | jcamins | cait: by way of oleonard. |
| 20:44 | Who doesn't know yet. | |
| 20:44 | cait | hmmm |
| 20:44 | seal it | |
| 20:44 | * Brooke | is jealous of Owen. |
| 20:44 | cait | heh |
| 20:44 | * cait | would still prefer jcamins to fudge |
| 20:44 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 20:44 | :) | |
| 20:44 | pastebot | "Space_Librarian" at 202.27.78.250 pasted "OpacUserMain and OpacNav" (19 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/307 |
| 20:47 | mbalmer | edinburgh will be fun. cheap flights from .ch |
| 20:47 | jcamins | Space_Librarian: just for fun, try changing the links to /cgi-bin/koha/opac-shelves.pl |
| 20:48 | rangi | oh library.nzica.com |
| 20:48 | if they logged in to that | |
| 20:48 | then the cookie is set to that, not nzica.mykoha.co.nz so that would prompt a new login | |
| 20:49 | it all depends what url you want ppl to use .. pick one .... :-) | |
| 20:50 | Brooke | both prompt logins for me |
| 20:51 | rangi | they will |
| 20:51 | opacpublic is off | |
| 20:51 | what im saying is | |
| 20:51 | if you login to one | |
| 20:51 | then hit a link to the other, you will get prompted to login again | |
| 20:51 | cookies are domain based | |
| 20:52 | jcamins | rangi: shouldn't changing all the links to /cgi-bin/koha/... fix that issue? |
| 20:52 | rangi | yep |
| 20:52 | Space_Librarian | rangi, what should I be doing to fix it? |
| 20:52 | rangi | in the sysprefs |
| 20:52 | opacnav | |
| 20:52 | Space_Librarian | yep |
| 20:52 | rangi | and the main one |
| 20:53 | Space_Librarian | yep |
| 20:54 | rangi | in general relative links (without the http://site/) are better |
| 20:54 | because if you ever change url .. you dont have to go changing all links | |
| 20:55 | * Space_Librarian | very, very confused |
| 20:55 | rangi | what by? |
| 20:55 | cait | Space_Librarian: follow jcamin's suggestion |
| 20:55 | make the link start with /cgi.... | |
| 20:57 | * jcamins | bets he knows what went wrong with the fudge... |
| 20:57 | * cait | likes toffee |
| 20:58 | jcamins | I added the irish cream too early. |
| 20:58 | * Space_Librarian | has done what the elders have suggested |
| 20:58 | jcamins | I should have let it cool down some. |
| 20:58 | Space_Librarian | jcamins: you curdled the irish cream? |
| 20:59 | Brooke | stick with the chambord or grand marnier son |
| 20:59 | jcamins | Space_Librarian: I'm thinking that might be it... it still tastes good, but I did notice that there was a lot more boiling going on than there usually is. |
| 20:59 | Brooke | doh |
| 21:00 | jcamins | This is a different kind of irish cream than I'm used to. |
| 21:00 | Brooke | Bailey's or naught! |
| 21:00 | Space_Librarian | Okay. so the cgi-bin seems to be working, but we're still getting this, if we push the back button in IE navigation... http://screencast.com/t/z7Kfi0KSlO8 |
| 21:00 | jcamins | Yeah, this was a gift. |
| 21:00 | Space_Librarian | and what Brooke said! |
| 21:00 | Brooke | ahhh that's the worst kind |
| 21:00 | rangi | yes, IE is crap |
| 21:00 | Brooke | it's like fruitcake |
| 21:01 | jcamins | Space_Librarian: not much you can do about that. |
| 21:01 | rangi | thats the browser doing that, there really is no way to stop that im afraid :( |
| 21:01 | jcamins | rangi: can you make pages expire a little further in the future? |
| 21:02 | rangi | its not the page expiry |
| 21:02 | that page never expires | |
| 21:02 | its ie does not remember post data | |
| 21:02 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 21:02 | rangi | we could make the login a get, but then we'd get hacked in 2 minutes and stabbed by every sysadmin in the world |
| 21:03 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 21:03 | ibeardslee | starting with the ones on L2? |
| 21:04 | rangi | especially those ones :) |
| 21:04 | mbalmer | the new patron web page has a form to query username and password, and that shouls |
| 21:04 | should set autocomplete to off | |
| 21:04 | cait | mbalmer: you could send a patch to make it do that :) |
| 21:04 | Space_Librarian | I've tried to explain that, but IE is the preferred browser of 80% of our users |
| 21:04 | mbalmer | cait, I will eventually. |
| 21:05 | I took a note. | |
| 21:05 | rangi | yep, theres no way to stop it .. its a function of IE + requiring login |
| 21:07 | Space_Librarian | gtk |
| 21:07 | I'll explain that again | |
| 21:08 | rangi | however |
| 21:08 | with the links being consistent | |
| 21:08 | and a long time out, ppl should have to login less, and the problem should manifest less | |
| 21:10 | Space_Librarian | here's hoping. |
| 21:11 | I'm not looking forward to dealing with this when we have 11k people looking at the bulletin and wanting to login. | |
| 21:12 | jcamins | rangi: what about using whatever technique the old MARC view used to break the back button? |
| 21:12 | (just on IE, for the login page only) | |
| 21:13 | rangi | yeah you could do some js to disable the back button |
| 21:18 | cait | Space_Librarian: is your library on the user's page in the wiki? |
| 21:19 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]KohaUsers/Oceania | |
| 21:20 | Space_Librarian | I dunno if my predecessor set it up |
| 21:22 | cait | ok |
| 21:22 | nice and shiny rebased analytics thingy | |
| 21:22 | bug 6831 - waiting for testers! | |
| 21:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6831 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Enhanced Workflow for adding analytical records |
| 21:23 | * jcamins | gets the hint. :P |
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| 21:24 | cait | heh :) |
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| 21:25 | janPasi1 left #koha | |
| 21:25 | Space_Librarian | cait: we're there now. |
| 21:25 | cait | cool :) |
| 21:26 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 21:26 | cait: doesn't your followup add UNIMARC? | |
| 21:27 | cait | hm i does |
| 21:27 | did I forget something? :( | |
| 21:28 | jcamins | This is quite peculiar. |
| 21:29 | I see it in the cataloging client, but it disappears when I save. | |
| 21:30 | cait | what disappears? |
| 21:30 | jcamins | The entire 461 field. |
| 21:30 | cait | oh! |
| 21:30 | pehraps there is one marc21 thing left somewhere | |
| 21:30 | jcamins | No... |
| 21:30 | This is *really* weird. | |
| 21:31 | Oh, I get it. | |
| 21:31 | Ignore me. | |
| 21:31 | rangi | jcamins: do you know where the js to disable the back button lives? |
| 21:31 | jcamins | rangi: I have absolutely no idea. I always thought that was an unfortunate side effect of something else. |
| 21:31 | rangi | hmm |
| 21:32 | oh hey jcamins | |
| 21:32 | C4::Heading::UNIMARC | |
| 21:32 | does it have to do the db handle in the begin? | |
| 21:32 | could it do it in the new ? | |
| 21:32 | jcamins | cait: works fine with UNIMARC. |
| 21:32 | rangi: lemme check. | |
| 21:32 | cait | jcamins: sure? |
| 21:32 | rangi | cause it means you cant do a simple use test (which 00-load.t) does without a db |
| 21:32 | now | |
| 21:33 | cait | you scared me! |
| 21:33 | rangi | which means make test fails |
| 21:33 | when installing | |
| 21:33 | jcamins | rangi: it probably could be moved, yes. |
| 21:33 | But, wait. | |
| 21:34 | I think I may have a follow up patch to remove the DB access entirely. | |
| 21:35 | rangi | that would be most excellent |
| 21:35 | jcamins | Hmmm... no I do not. |
| 21:36 | rangi | in the init or new sub would make sense .. and would be nicer when we move to plack too |
| 21:36 | jcamins | I don't see any reason why the DB access couldn't be moved to the new. |
| 21:36 | rangi | sweet :) |
| 21:36 | http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ackages/2/console | |
| 21:36 | scroll to the bottom | |
| 21:36 | i now have jenkins building packages too | |
| 21:36 | for master and 3.6.x | |
| 21:36 | cait | woot |
| 21:36 | rangi | which catches any errors that break that |
| 21:37 | jcamins | I think the reason it is not is that I was trying to imitate the way C4::Heading::MARC21 worked. |
| 21:37 | rangi | ahhh |
| 21:37 | * Space_Librarian | hunts down a quad-shot |
| 21:38 | rangi | makes sense |
| 21:38 | jcamins | Arguably we should have C4::Heading::MARC21 be using the database too |
| 21:38 | rangi | *nod* |
| 21:38 | ibeardslee | sounds like Space_Librarian is planning on heading to space |
| 21:38 | rangi | as part of an init or new would be great for that too |
| 21:38 | much more robust | |
| 21:39 | jcamins | Right, but I wasn't sure how to do it. |
| 21:39 | So I settled on "if it ain't broke, I'm not fixing it." | |
| 21:39 | rangi | fair enough :) |
| 21:41 | jcamins | There are some subfield ordering issues, but this is pretty nice! |
| 21:42 | rangi | wow bug 7648 is totally a 123 |
| 21:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7648 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , staff can make themselves superlibrarians |
| 21:42 | cait | yeah |
| 21:42 | and not really a bug | |
| 21:42 | rangi | no |
| 21:42 | cait | more an enh... and that is probably debatable |
| 21:43 | jcamins | You know what I need? |
| 21:43 | I need git so to sign off and attach *all* patches. | |
| 21:44 | This whole git rebase -i kc/master && commit --amend -s && rebase --continue, etc., is too much work. ;) | |
| 21:44 | cait | you could write a script - and share :) |
| 21:53 | jcamins++ | |
| 21:55 | eythian | jcamins: I think a signoff will require a rebase as you're changing history, however it would be nice to have a "signoff" option in rebase -i |
| 21:56 | cait | oh eythian |
| 21:56 | eythian | and I saw your comment on the bug. |
| 21:56 | You're right. | |
| 21:56 | jcamins | eythian: yeah, I know it requires a rebase. What I want is my git so macro to automatically go through *all* the patches. |
| 21:56 | Thanks. | |
| 21:56 | cait | :) |
| 21:56 | eythian | I don't know where that thing went, I guess I incorrectly merged the patches or something. |
| 21:57 | * jcamins | looks forward to a new patch. |
| 21:57 | jcamins | Now that I understand what it does, I'm pretty jazzed about switching to PKI for my authentication. |
| 21:58 | eythian | cool :) it's a bit of a learning hurdle, but once you've worked it out, it's pretty neat. |
| 21:58 | * eythian | -> (hopefully short) meeting. |
| 21:58 | jcamins | Of course, I still haven't worked out how to get certificates into the web browser. |
| 22:03 | cjh: don't forget when doing updatedatabase patches that you shouldn't put an actual number in the version string. | |
| 22:15 | unimarc? | |
| 22:15 | wahanui | unimarc is http://www.ifla.org/en/publica[…]ted-documentation |
| 22:34 | jcamins | cait: I'm looking at bug 7700. |
| 22:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7700 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Cart's more details view shows identity numbers |
| 22:34 | jcamins | Where does $0 show up? |
| 22:35 | Wait... maybe I figured it out. | |
| 22:36 | Yup. | |
| 22:36 | git_so++ | |
| 22:37 | cait | thx jcamins :) |
| 22:39 | jcamins | I'd try bug 7421, but I don't really know that much about UNIMARC. |
| 22:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7421 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, frederic, Needs Signoff , UNIMARC authorities DOM indexing mode |
| 22:40 | cait | yeah |
| 22:40 | rangi | oh i got kohagit tweeting again in the weekend too |
| 22:40 | cait | yay :) |
| 22:48 | Space_Librarian | Didn't somebody do awesome stuffs with a default pic for items without a cover in their opac? |
| 22:48 | * Space_Librarian | is pondering |
| 22:48 | jcamins | Space_Librarian: some did something like that. |
| 22:48 | *someone | |
| 22:49 | Space_Librarian | yes, I thought it may have been you. I wasn't sure. |
| 22:49 | And it looked awesome | |
| 22:49 | Is it difficult? | |
| 22:49 | * Space_Librarian | wants to do the same thing |
| 22:49 | jcamins | Actually, that wasn't intended to remind you it was me. |
| 22:49 | I had forgotten until cait pointed it out. | |
| 22:49 | Very easy. | |
| 22:49 | Space_Librarian | lol |
| 22:49 | jcamins | jquery library? |
| 22:49 | wahanui | jquery library is, like, found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/JQuery_Library |
| 22:49 | jcamins | I got the original idea from bag, I think. |
| 22:50 | Space_Librarian | *awesome* |
| 22:50 | jcamins | Let me just find the script. |
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| 23:05 | jcamins | Space_Librarian: $('.no-image').css('background-image','url(bookplate.jpg)'); |
| 23:05 | Sorry, got a bit distracted. | |
| 23:06 | Well, very. | |
| 23:07 | Space_Librarian | thank you! that's fantastic. will play with it this arvo |
| 23:07 | :D | |
| 23:08 | jcamins | Who thought that three apostrophes was a good idea to use for *bold*? |
| 23:08 | cait | mediawiki? |
| 23:08 | wahanui | mediawiki is not fun |
| 23:08 | cait | right wahanui |
| 23:09 | jcamins | Very true. |
| 23:09 | wahanui | I know. That's why I said it. |
| 23:09 | Space_Librarian | lol. I love the bot |
| 23:09 | eythian | jcamins: thanks for getting bug 6199 sorted :) |
| 23:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6199 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, robin, Signed Off , Allow bulkmarcimport to blank duplicate barcodes rather than skipping items |
| 23:10 | Space_Librarian | @botsnack cookie |
| 23:10 | huginn | Space_Librarian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 23:10 | Space_Librarian | I love all the bots |
| 23:10 | eythian | wahanui: \I love the bot is <reply>BAD TOUCH! |
| 23:10 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 23:11 | jcamins | eythian: you're welcome. I just didn't have a chance to sign off on it when I initially responded to Sophie. |
| 23:12 | eythian | ah right |
| 23:30 | BobB | hi eythian |
| 23:35 | eythian | hello |
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| 23:44 | mtj | BobB: about now :) |
| 23:45 | BobB | Hi Mason |
| 23:45 | mtj | heya |
| 23:45 | BobB | we had a week in Japan - VERY cool. |
| 23:45 | mtj | have you really been to japan? |
| 23:45 | wow | |
| 23:46 | what was the occasion? | |
| 23:46 | just a holiday? | |
| 23:46 | BobB | Yes, we went up to see friends who live in Tokyo. So we also went out to Hakuba and had a ski. It was great. |
| 23:47 | We went to Happo One - one big mountain with lots of steeps. I was so proud of Irma - she cruised it! | |
| 23:48 | Only one day on the snow unfortunately. We were going to have more but the weather caved in. But it was great nonetheless. We have nothing like it in Oz. | |
| 23:49 | How are you, OK? | |
| 23:49 | mtj | i have heard about the indoor snow places in japan |
| 23:49 | indoor snow and surf | |
| 23:49 | yep, all good over here | |
| 23:50 | BobB | I've heard about the indoor surf but didn't come across it. Nothing they do would surprise me. The place is awesome. |
| 23:50 | Tokyo and Yokohama have 35 million people - more than Au plus NZ combined. | |
| 23:51 | mtj I've a couple of things to mention. | |
| 23:51 | Do you have a couple of minutes? | |
| 23:52 | mtj | yep, sure do |
| 23:52 | BobB | First, Shire of Derby West Kimberley. (Get a map out!) |
| 23:52 | mtj | we need to sort out a plan for the eesi stuff... |
| 23:53 | BobB | First public library in Australia to sign up for Koha. Yay! |
| 23:53 | rangi | w00t!!! |
| 23:53 | BobB | Confidential at the mo'. The librarian (Kate) is on hols. We'll agree an announcement when she gets back in two weeks. |
| 23:53 | jcamins | bug 7557 |
| 23:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7557 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Failed QA , Change hardcoded routing list note into a system preference |
| 23:53 | rangi | BobB: you want me to purge the logs then ? |
| 23:53 | jcamins | BobB++ |
| 23:54 | cait | BobB: congrats :) |
| 23:54 | rangi | cos this is publicly logged |
| 23:54 | jcamins | rangi: yeah, you'd better. |
| 23:54 | BobB | oops - we're in #koha |
| 23:54 | So I just announced it. Bugger. | |
| 23:54 | rangi | and maybe mtj and BobB should go to #calyx :) |
| 23:54 | ill purge | |
| 23:54 | then its only us who know | |
| 23:54 | 2 secs | |
| 23:54 | BobB | Thanks Chris. |
| 23:54 | * cait | forgot it already |
| 23:55 | * BobB | humbly apologises |
| 23:56 | mtj | bah, monday brain :/ |
| 23:56 | eythian | yep, I'll never tell anyone that the Library of Elbonia is switching to Unicorn |
| 23:56 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 74.73.59.41 pasted "cait: change it like so and go to sleep!" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/308 |
| 23:56 | cait | lol |
| 23:57 | I did | |
| 23:57 | still does not work! | |
| 23:57 | jcamins | Also, there's a typo. |
| 23:58 | Should be RoutingList not RoutlingList. | |
| 23:58 | Oh. | |
| 23:58 | Change the |...| to {...} | |
| 23:58 | wahanui | jcamins: that doesn't look right |
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| 23:58 | rangi | http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]12-03-11#i_916523 |
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