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| 06:07 | dgl-library | hi, can I ask a question about the *optional data* in the web install? |
| 06:44 | cait joined #koha | |
| 06:59 | cait | good morning #koha |
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| 07:41 | sturmtruppen | morning #koha |
| 07:41 | [fatal] lock file /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/zebrasrv.pid [Permission denied] | |
| 07:41 | that's my last error... | |
| 07:43 | cait | permissions |
| 07:43 | just what it says | |
| 07:43 | the owner of your koha files | |
| 07:43 | should own the files of zebra too | |
| 07:44 | you did the dev install using git? | |
| 07:44 | sturmtruppen | nope |
| 07:44 | my fault. | |
| 07:45 | how can i change thw owner? | |
| 07:45 | cait | hm? |
| 07:45 | oh | |
| 07:45 | now you got me, always have to look these things up :) | |
| 07:45 | ... still a linux newb | |
| 07:46 | I think | |
| 07:46 | chown -R user:group koha-dev/... | |
| 07:46 | something like that | |
| 07:46 | perhaps using sudo | |
| 07:48 | sturmtruppen | i'll try |
| 07:49 | nope, both case. | |
| 07:50 | koha user and zebra user are the same | |
| 07:50 | but i have still problem | |
| 07:51 | cait | hmm |
| 07:51 | but it is a permission problem | |
| 07:51 | have you checked for that file? | |
| 07:51 | oh | |
| 07:51 | sturmtruppen | yep, i see but i don't understand how to solve... |
| 07:51 | cait | it's still the standard install |
| 07:51 | from the path | |
| 07:52 | I mean you did a standard install | |
| 07:52 | from git perhaps, but a standard one :) | |
| 07:52 | sturmtruppen | the file exist |
| 07:52 | cait | have you checked the permissions on this file? |
| 07:53 | sturmtruppen | the user has no permission on this file |
| 07:53 | i changed | |
| 07:54 | [fatal] Zebra server already running [Resource temporarily unavailable] | |
| 07:56 | cait | perhaps change for the whole koha folder |
| 07:56 | and restart the zebreasrv | |
| 07:58 | sturmtruppen | i'll try when i'm back. |
| 07:58 | i have to run to the swimmingpool! | |
| 07:59 | thanks for your help! | |
| 07:59 | chocolate..., i'll remember! | |
| 07:59 | cait | heh, it isn't working yet :) |
| 08:22 | drojf joined #koha | |
| 08:22 | drojf | good day #koha |
| 08:23 | thd-away joined #koha | |
| 08:23 | cait | hi drojf :) |
| 08:24 | drojf | hi cait :) |
| 08:36 | mbalmer joined #koha | |
| 08:42 | mbalmer | koharning! |
| 08:42 | cait | kia ora |
| 08:44 | mbalmer | I wonder how much speed improvement running the database on a separate server would bring |
| 08:47 | cait | I don't know, we never tried |
| 09:01 | drojf | does koha use the ldr 06 (type of record) entry for anything besides what i can see in the xsl file? |
| 09:04 | mbalmer | who is the german language translation team? cait? |
| 09:04 | cait | sorry - just got a phone call - I am an aunt again! |
| 09:04 | mbalmer: it's a general name, not really a team | |
| 09:05 | drojf | congratulations :) |
| 09:05 | cait | there is beda from switzerland, drojf, my coworkers, me |
| 09:05 | mbalmer | congrats, cait! |
| 09:05 | oh, we have more users in switzerland? | |
| 09:05 | cait | drojf: I think only the xslt |
| 09:05 | yes | |
| 09:05 | check the about page of koha | |
| 09:06 | there is the full name | |
| 09:06 | mbalmer | We should do a translation hackathon one day.. |
| 09:06 | cait | he is a monk and a teacher I think |
| 09:06 | mbalmer | anf fix all missing translation |
| 09:06 | cait | I think at the moment the only things missing is due to translations problems |
| 09:06 | like a missing script to create a po file for the xml plugins in cataloging | |
| 09:07 | and lots of typos still to find and correct | |
| 09:07 | I did some work on suggestions yesterday | |
| 09:07 | dgl-library joined #koha | |
| 09:07 | mbalmer | I don't find a Beda in the Koha development team list |
| 09:07 | cait | mbalmer: de-DE ok for you or do you need a swiss german version? :) |
| 09:07 | no, but on the about | |
| 09:07 | for translators | |
| 09:08 | drojf | guess i should get my name in there too one day ^^ |
| 09:08 | cait | oh yes |
| 09:08 | we should do that! | |
| 09:08 | mbalmer | yes, I should eventually add mine, too |
| 09:08 | now I found him | |
| 09:09 | cait, for the moment de-DE is ok. Maybe one day we need de-CH if a customer requests it. There are some differences, like we don't have the ess-zett | |
| 09:09 | * drojf | would like to see koha schwyzerdütsch |
| 09:09 | mbalmer | drojf, you're swiss? |
| 09:10 | drojf | nope |
| 09:10 | german | |
| 09:10 | mbalmer | I think at the moment a swiss version would make little sense. |
| 09:11 | cait | sorry, brb |
| 09:11 | drojf | how much koha libraries are there in switzerland? |
| 09:11 | cait | have to make aunty phone calls |
| 09:11 | drojf | heh |
| 09:11 | how many | |
| 09:11 | me fail english this morning | |
| 09:12 | mbalmer | me groks anyways words from drojf ;) |
| 09:13 | well, we have three koha instances running now, two for development (using git), one for demonstration (using packages) and no customer yet. | |
| 09:13 | I think some uni bib in .ch uses it. | |
| 09:14 | I have one large and several smaller libraries as customers, but they don't use Koha (yet ;) | |
| 09:14 | drojf | one day they all will ;) |
| 09:16 | koha is not very widespread in germany either, i guess it takes time. the concept of "free and open source software" seems to be something very strange for people here | |
| 09:17 | mbalmer | no, that concept actually *TOTALLY* convinces all people we talk to. They are totally supportive of it. |
| 09:18 | Just no one wants to be the first to use Koha, they all fear being the pioneers. But they are impressed. | |
| 09:18 | so It's about finding the first customer, then more will come quite automatically. | |
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| 09:19 | mbalmer | does beda show up in this channel from time to time? |
| 09:19 | cait | back :) |
| 09:20 | mbalmer: no, but he answers mails | |
| 09:20 | I had some mail contact with him a longer time ago | |
| 09:20 | drojf | that sounds good actually. i hope to get some institutions like ours to use koha. i work in a language center at a university, they are usually independent of the university libraries and have some selfmade databases, paper books or no systems at all :D |
| 09:20 | cait | and he also answers mails on the german mailing list sometimes |
| 09:20 | competitors whereever I look ;) | |
| 09:20 | mbalmer | he wrote a tex system to set gregorian chants, he must be quite a freak (in the most positive sense) |
| 09:20 | cait | well, we will have 9 productive installations soon this year I hope |
| 09:21 | andhopefully finding more :) | |
| 09:21 | mbalmer | cait, no we are not competitors, as I understand it. We don't have the same clients in mind, iirc. |
| 09:22 | and even if we do, that would be fine for me. | |
| 09:22 | cait | mbalmer: I was not serious, I think it's good :) |
| 09:22 | drojf | cait: you have a monopoly right now. nothing against what you do, but i would love to see more independent koha libraries too. would have the effect of spreading it further and more people to talk to ;) |
| 09:22 | mbalmer | aren't you after the university libraries and such? |
| 09:22 | cait | drojf: what, you don't like talking to me? :P |
| 09:22 | drojf | cait: one day we could take over my university library together |
| 09:23 | dgl-library | Hi #koha |
| 09:23 | mbalmer | we are after the public libraries, community libraries etc. |
| 09:23 | drojf | lol that is not what i meant :P |
| 09:23 | cait | drojf: heh, sorry, I am mean |
| 09:23 | mbalmer | or, in one word: world domination (ok, two words) |
| 09:23 | and then we expand to germany.. | |
| 09:23 | drojf | maybe i get bored and start a koha business too ;) |
| 09:24 | cait | mbalmer: we have more academic/special libraries |
| 09:24 | drojf | mbalmer: not if i start a business! lol |
| 09:24 | dgl-library | Anyone — is there a way in Koha to charge a refundable deposit per item? Not a rental charge, but a fixed deposit fee? I'm hoping Koha will keep track of the deposit and remind the librarian to give it back at check-in time. |
| 09:24 | mbalmer | you could run our germany branch, drojf |
| 09:24 | drojf | mbalmer: that does not sound too bad :D |
| 09:25 | cait | dgl-library: sorry, currently not |
| 09:25 | dgl-library: you can only do rental charges | |
| 09:27 | dgl-library: and they are not supposed to be given back - Ithink what you want to do woul dneed some development | |
| 09:33 | dgl-library | cait: thanks for the info. wish I were a programmer — I'd add that. for a small library like ours, refundable deposit fees are a must. too bad we'll have to keep a written list instead. |
| 09:33 | cait | dgl-library: where are you located? |
| 09:33 | it's a practice that I have not heard of yet | |
| 09:34 | drojf | me neither. where are you located dgl-library? |
| 09:35 | dgl-library | India |
| 09:36 | and our library isn't a public library, it's basically a school library — but people from the community can borrow if they leave a deposit for each item | |
| 09:36 | mbalmer | Dharamshala, Candor? |
| 09:37 | drojf | is it common in india? there are quite some libreries there using koha i think, so maybe you can share the development costs |
| 09:37 | dgl-library | near Palampur |
| 09:37 | drojf: there are very few actual lending libraries in India, maybe because loss is such a problem (or trust is such a problem) | |
| 09:38 | drojf | i see |
| 09:38 | dgl-library | mbalmer: where are you? |
| 09:38 | mbalmer | in Switzerland |
| 09:38 | dgl-library | mbalmer: anyway we're near Dharamsala |
| 09:39 | drojf: we're on a really small budget, so I don't think we'd be the right people to fund that effort. one of the reasons we're using koha is because it's basically free. | |
| 09:40 | mbalmer | you are also free to add the features you need.. just saying.. |
| 09:40 | wahanui | okay, mbalmer. |
| 09:41 | dgl-library | mbalmer: I would love to, but I can barely get through the install — I'm not a programmer. |
| 09:41 | mbalmer | maybe you find one, a student or so? |
| 09:42 | dgl-library | it's a good idea for us to consider later on. right now I'm still trying to set up koha. |
| 09:43 | Another question: We are using our own private classification system, not Dewey Decimal or any other established system. Do I add our classifications in Home > Administration > Authorized Values? And then there I would make a category called DGL Classification System, and then each heading and description? Or does it go somewhere else? | |
| 09:43 | mbalmer | I have the reversed problem, I am a programmer, but I have only very limited librarian's knowledge... |
| 09:44 | cait | dgl-library: yes |
| 09:44 | dgl-library: I would add your system and add generic filing rule to it | |
| 09:44 | dgl-library | mbalmer: ha ha! you have a big advantage. I am neither a programmer nor a librarian. |
| 09:44 | cait | unless you can figure out something better |
| 09:44 | dgl-library: and there is a system preference to make it the default in newly created records - perhaps search for class... it should show up | |
| 09:44 | dgl-library | cait: thanks. and then I will be able to add the classification to each record manually using a pull-down menu, right? |
| 09:45 | cait | you will still be able to select another |
| 09:45 | but your classification will be preselected | |
| 09:45 | when you use the system preference :) | |
| 09:45 | so you will not have to select it | |
| 09:48 | dgl-library | cait: you mean I will select it as the numbering system, and it will automatically present me with the pull-down menu? or do you mean the system will choose the right call number? |
| 09:48 | cait | hm |
| 09:48 | perhaps there is a misunderstanding | |
| 09:48 | koha will not take care of your callnumbers | |
| 09:48 | the classification system helps with sorting | |
| 09:51 | dgl-library | cait: yes, I'm afraid I don't quite understand, or perhaps I wasn't saying it right. Let's say we have a section called BB, in which there are headings BB1000, BB2000 and BB3000. Can I select those via the classification system? |
| 09:51 | cait | no |
| 09:51 | it's not made to do that i fear | |
| 09:52 | I think what you want to do... could perhaps done via a cataloging plugin | |
| 09:52 | but that would need development too :( | |
| 09:52 | it can suggest a callnumber from a field in the bibliographic record | |
| 09:52 | so if you pull records from loc it could suggest the ddc number | |
| 09:53 | and if you catlaog your callnumber in the record, it can suggest that in the item | |
| 09:54 | dgl-library | hmm. but I was going to put our callnumber heading in the MARC 099 field ("LOCAL FREE-TEXT CALL NUMBER (OCLC)") and make all our headings available via a pulldown which I would populate via authorized values. won't that do it? |
| 09:55 | maybe I'm confusing the terms "callnumber" and "heading" or "classification" (sorry… not a librarian, just a volunteer) | |
| 09:55 | cait | dgl-library: that sounds like it could work :) |
| 09:56 | check for the systempreferneces related to callnumbers and classifications | |
| 09:56 | you can put in the 099 as the value for callnumbers | |
| 09:56 | dgl-library | cait: am I going about it in an unusual way? or maybe it's just unusual to use a non-standard classification system.. |
| 09:56 | oh? let me have a look | |
| 09:56 | cait | hm no, I think it will work |
| 09:56 | dgl-library | itemcallnumber |
| 09:57 | Map the MARC subfield 082ab to an item's callnumber. | |
| 09:58 | so I'd change that to 099 and then koha will use that as the callnumber, right? and if there were subfields (first 3 letters of author's name, first 3 letters of title) it would be 099ab? | |
| 09:58 | cait | it will pull down the value from 099a or b or whatever |
| 09:58 | into the item | |
| 09:58 | when you catalog | |
| 09:58 | dgl-library | right |
| 09:58 | cait | it's to make your life easier - not sure it will cover all you want to do |
| 09:59 | dgl-library | I was kind of hoping there would be a way for koha to use our call heading + grab a few bits automatically (first 3 letters of author's name, first 3 letters of title) to make the full call number and/or the bit that gets printed on the spine label. |
| 09:59 | but I will start by changing that to 099 — thanks for the tip on that | |
| 10:00 | cait | dgl-library: what you could do |
| 10:00 | is file an enh request in bugzilla | |
| 10:00 | perhaps it will help you find someone who is interested | |
| 10:00 | or you will get to know about someone planning a development for this | |
| 10:00 | it will not hurt | |
| 10:01 | dgl-library | cait: thanks for that suggestion. |
| 10:16 | cait: do I have to go through and manually configure that MARC 099 field for every single MARC framework separately? | |
| 10:16 | cait | if it's nto there yet - yes |
| 10:18 | dgl-library | well, the 099 field is there, but it's normally set up differently by default. so I have to go in and set it up for Books, then set it up again for Fast Add, etc.? |
| 10:18 | cait | yes |
| 10:23 | dgl-library | ok |
| 10:47 | Question - When there are 2 fields in Koha, "Description" and "Description (OPAC)", if I leave the OPAC description field blank, the OPAC will show what I have in the "Description" field and not be blank, right? | |
| 10:47 | cait | hm |
| 10:47 | I think so | |
| 10:47 | have never tested it | |
| 10:47 | normally I put the same in both | |
| 10:59 | dgl-library | hmm. |
| 11:13 | Is there anyone who knows the answer to that for sure, because I'm about 1/3 of the way through this process… maybe I should just go back and fill in all the OPAC display values. The thing is that the sample data had all the OPAC display values blank. | |
| 11:16 | cait | dgl-library: I think i would try it out then |
| 11:16 | it should work | |
| 11:16 | mbalmer | what is the ILS-DI service, which can be activated in sysprefs? |
| 11:19 | cait | hm |
| 11:19 | it's an api | |
| 11:19 | to connect to other catalog interfaces | |
| 11:19 | sopac | |
| 11:20 | http://old.diglib.org/architectures/ilsdi/ | |
| 11:20 | the documentation is accessible when it's activated, via the opac |
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