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| 00:27 | cait-m | hi koha |
| 00:32 | Space_Librarian | hey cait-m |
| 00:33 | chris_n | wizzyrea about? |
| 00:33 | eythian_bucklame | cait-m: go to bed! |
| 00:33 | chris_n | cait-m still up? |
| 00:34 | @seen rangi | |
| 00:34 | huginn | chris_n: rangi was last seen in #koha 4 days, 4 hours, 22 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <rangi> bbl |
| 00:34 | eythian_bucklame | a lot later... |
| 00:34 | chris_n | really |
| 00:34 | * chris_n | was thinking it must be getting late by now :) |
| 00:36 | chris_n | @later tell wizzyrea if there are fields advertised which do not print on labels in the current head, I'd be obliged if you'd open a bug for it; thanks |
| 00:36 | huginn | chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
| 00:37 | eternalsword | rework is done. won't be making that mistake again. |
| 00:38 | chris_n | @later tell wizzyrea and if you have time to sign off on bug 7615, I'd send along lots of chocolate |
| 00:38 | huginn | chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
| 00:40 | eternalsword | Fellowship One has blessed my use of their API. I just need to make a few minor adjustments and it should be ready for inclusion in koha. |
| 00:41 | * chris_n | waves goodnight |
| 00:42 | eternalsword | my current work is up at https://github.com/eternalsword/koha in the f1 branch |
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| 02:27 | druthb | o/ |
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| 03:29 | Amit_Gupta | heya bag |
| 03:32 | bag | heya Amit_Gupta |
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| 04:00 | druthb | heckuva storm in Lawrence, KS right now. 100 kph winds, amazingly heavy rain, and 2.5 cm hailstones reported just outside the city. |
| 04:00 | @wunder 66046 | |
| 04:00 | huginn | druthb: The current temperature in Jeff's Weather Lab, Lawrence, Kansas is 13.0°C (10:00 PM CST on February 28, 2012). Conditions: Heavy Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1000.9 hPa (Rising). Tornado Watch 41 in effect until 1 am CST Wednesday... |
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| 07:09 | alex_a | bonjour koha |
| 07:14 | Amit_Gupta | heya alex_a |
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| 07:15 | alex_a | heya Amit_Gupta |
| 07:15 | drojf | good morning #koha |
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| 07:46 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:46 | wahanui | hola, reiveune |
| 07:58 | magnuse | kia ora #koha |
| 07:59 | @wunder boo | |
| 07:59 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (8:50 AM CET on February 29, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Falling). |
| 07:59 | magnuse | yay |
| 07:59 | @wunder marseille | |
| 07:59 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 5.0°C (8:30 AM CET on February 29, 2012). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:59 | magnuse | hm, rather cool? |
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| 08:12 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:12 | wahanui | niihau, gaetan_B |
| 08:12 | magnuse | bonjour gaetan_B and julian_m |
| 08:12 | julian_m | hi magnuse :) |
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| 08:13 | gaetan_B | ohayo wahanui and magnuse ;) |
| 08:27 | Amit_Gupta | heya gaetan_B |
| 08:41 | gaetan_B | hi Amit_Gupta :) |
| 09:03 | clrh_ | hello all |
| 09:10 | Amit_Gupta | heya clrh_ |
| 09:15 | @bug 6440 | |
| 09:15 | huginn | Amit_Gupta: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6440 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Patch doesn't apply , Koha's OAI-PMH does not support sets |
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| 12:29 | cait | hi #koha |
| 12:30 | kivilahtio | hi cait! |
| 12:30 | cait | hi :) |
| 12:30 | jwagner | hi cait |
| 12:30 | cait | on a train, hope the connection will work |
| 12:31 | jcamins_away | How did your presentation go? :) |
| 12:32 | cait | hm |
| 12:32 | I think it was ok | |
| 12:32 | jcamins_away | Yay! |
| 12:32 | cait++ | |
| 12:34 | schuster++ | |
| 12:35 | kivilahtio | does Koha support credit card payments? |
| 12:35 | from OPAC | |
| 12:35 | jcamins_away | kivilahtio: no. |
| 12:35 | kivilahtio | jcamins_away: any plans? |
| 12:35 | jcamins_away | kivilahtio: you can use SIP for that, though. |
| 12:36 | Not to my knowledge. | |
| 12:36 | kivilahtio | hmm |
| 12:36 | SIP | |
| 12:36 | jcamins_away | That seems like a whole kettle of fish that we don't want to deal with. |
| 12:36 | kivilahtio | yeah, its a big issue |
| 12:36 | cait | kivilahtio: I think you can use sip to integrate third party applications to koha |
| 12:36 | kivilahtio | I'll make a proposal about that to our leaders, about cutting the Gordian knot |
| 12:36 | cait | to do that |
| 12:36 | you can use sip for payment machines? (how do you call that in english?) | |
| 12:37 | kivilahtio | how about epayments? |
| 12:37 | cait | it's only a recent development though |
| 12:37 | so not sure how much it can do | |
| 12:37 | same thing, koha can only do manual payments | |
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| 12:37 | kivilahtio | like paypal or some bank services? |
| 12:37 | cait | or you can use sip |
| 12:37 | kivilahtio | ok |
| 12:38 | but it is not such a biggie to implement | |
| 12:38 | we already have open source web stores | |
| 12:38 | we have a free ePayment and personal verification service here in Finalnd | |
| 12:39 | well, I'll note that | |
| 12:39 | thanks again | |
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| 12:45 | marcelr | hi koha |
| 12:45 | jcamins_away | marcelr: does 7310 need a new sign off? |
| 12:45 | No it doesn't. | |
| 12:46 | Thanks. | |
| 12:46 | marcelr | hi jcamins: i do not hope so |
| 12:46 | changed only fk requirements | |
| 12:46 | cait | hi marcelr :) |
| 12:46 | bug 7310 | |
| 12:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7310 normal, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , Improving permissions on lists (virtual shelves) |
| 12:46 | marcelr | hi cait |
| 12:47 | paul_p not around today? | |
| 12:49 | jcamins_away | Is everyone suitably excited by the fact that schuster signed off on bug 7284? |
| 12:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements |
| 12:49 | jcamins_away | But forgot to change the status. |
| 12:49 | * jcamins_away | will do that for him. |
| 12:49 | marcelr | was that the patch with huge test plan ;) |
| 12:49 | jcamins_away | Yup. |
| 12:49 | wizzyrea requested a test plan. | |
| 12:49 | I delivered. | |
| 12:49 | * magnuse | cheers and applauds for bug 7284 |
| 12:49 | marcelr | good |
| 12:50 | did you also provide a qa plan :-) | |
| 12:50 | cait | schuster++ |
| 12:50 | magnuse | and a "push to master" plan? |
| 12:50 | cait | I still have the data but not tested :( |
| 12:50 | magnuse | schuster++ |
| 12:50 | marcelr | jcamins++ schuster++ |
| 12:51 | jcamins_away | marcelr: "1. Look at code. 2. Mark passed QA" |
| 12:51 | marcelr | 3. Push |
| 12:51 | jcamins_away | Right. |
| 12:51 | magnuse | good plan! |
| 12:52 | cait | hi magnuse :) |
| 12:52 | magnuse | guten tag cait |
| 12:57 | jcamins_away | Okay, time to get ready to go. |
| 12:57 | Have a good day, #koha. | |
| 12:57 | marcelr | same |
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| 13:26 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 13:27 | marcelr | hi oleonard |
| 13:28 | oleonard: the pref in 3516 was no problem for me (marked it passed qa at the time..) | |
| 13:29 | oleonard | Thanks marcelr |
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| 13:31 | cait | hi oleonard |
| 13:35 | oleonard | Hi cait, you're cait early today :) |
| 13:35 | cait | oleonard: travelling back from munich where I had a presentation |
| 13:36 | lots of travelling in march :) | |
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| 13:40 | magnuse | is there a way to hide whole records from the opac, not just items? (i don't think there is, but i might be missing something) |
| 13:40 | cait | I think if oyu hide the items |
| 13:40 | with the new pref | |
| 13:41 | it should hide the record too - with the last item - but miht be wrong about that | |
| 13:41 | magnuse | ah, i'll check! |
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| 13:43 | magnuse | cait: doesn't seem to work that way - this record has one item that is hidden with OpacHiddenItems: http://head.bibkat.no/cgi-bin/[…]?biblionumber=344 |
| 13:44 | cait | hmm |
| 13:44 | Ithought it would because there was a lot of discussion about the numbering in search results having holes for the records that are not shown | |
| 13:44 | there was a recent change because it also hid serials and ebooks and things... perhaps this is a side effect ? | |
| 13:45 | magnuse | dunno |
| 13:45 | i'm testing on master from last night, at least | |
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| 13:55 | magnuse | cait: looks like bug 6488 was hiding records without items, but that was fixed |
| 13:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6488 critical, P2, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , opachiddenitems not working in master |
| 13:56 | cait | yes, that's the one I was thinking about |
| 13:56 | so there is logic to hide the record too | |
| 13:56 | now the question is, why it doesn't work for youu | |
| 13:56 | magnuse | no the other way around, as i understand it |
| 13:57 | hiding records without items was a bug and that got fixed | |
| 13:57 | because it was hiding e-books and periodicals | |
| 14:03 | cait | yes |
| 14:03 | but I still think it should | |
| 14:03 | if you have a record with items | |
| 14:03 | that are hidden | |
| 14:03 | hide the record | |
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| 14:07 | jcamins_away | Augh! |
| 14:08 | It's so expensive! | |
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| 14:09 | cait | :( |
| 14:09 | the contractor? | |
| 14:11 | jcamins_away | Yeah. |
| 14:12 | Actually, it seems like a great deal. | |
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| 14:12 | jcamins_away | But it's a lot of money. |
| 14:12 | Shane-S | morning :) |
| 14:12 | jcamins_away | He looked at the fuse box and said "this is going to be a problem... we need to punch holes in all your walls to replace the wiring. |
| 14:13 | cait | oh ouch |
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| 14:18 | oleonard | jcamins_away: Second opinion? New wiring is all well and good, but contractors have a bad habit of automatically rejecting other people's work. |
| 14:19 | jcamins_away | oleonard: yeah, the next guy is coming in four hours. |
| 14:19 | Unfortunately, I opened up the fuse box yesterday and said "oh ****, they're going to have to punch holes in all our walls and replace the wiring." | |
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| 14:22 | jcamins_away | I asked druthb about it, and she agreed. |
| 14:23 | cait | old? |
| 14:24 | oh cool | |
| 14:24 | I can download firefox for my phone! | |
| 14:25 | jcamins_away | cait: very. |
| 14:25 | cait: it's the same age as my grandparents! | |
| 14:25 | Not old for people, but old for wiring. | |
| 14:25 | cait | and opera :) |
| 14:25 | magnuse | probably past the retirement age |
| 14:26 | jcamins_away | magnuse: for people, too! |
| 14:27 | magnuse | yup :-) |
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| 14:34 | Shane-S | who does the documentation management? |
| 14:34 | cait | Shane-S: do you mean documentation? |
| 14:34 | wahanui | |
| 14:34 | wahanui | yes, cait? |
| 14:34 | cait | ? |
| 14:34 | documentation? | |
| 14:34 | wahanui | hmmm... documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/ |
| 14:35 | Shane-S | I see chris_n modified the files to enable branches, I will have to apply those changes, but it should allow more then just branchname |
| 14:35 | oleonard | Shane-S: Check the "About Koha" page, "Koha Team" tab, "Koha Release Team" section |
| 14:35 | Shane-S | it should allow all the fields in the branches table "I think". I have to test it, so I was curious how I can submit that, would that be a "bug" submission as well |
| 14:35 | oleonard | nengard is documentation manager |
| 14:37 | cait | Shane-S: if you want to submit code - add a bug - then add your patch to it :) |
| 14:38 | Shane-S | I just want to submit further documentation on the fields usable by the patch chris_n release to bug 7615 if I determine more work |
| 14:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7615 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , Give option to use description for homebranch/holding branch in label creator instead of the branchcode |
| 14:39 | Shane-S | I mean I wanted that change, only fair I help submit the new fields :) |
| 14:41 | * jcamins_away | heads off to 66th and Lex. |
| 14:48 | magnuse | Shane-S: if you want to change the documentation you can clone http://git.koha-community.org/[…].git;a=summaryand submit patches to the documentation mailing list |
| 14:49 | Shane-S: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]istinfo/koha-docs | |
| 14:49 | oleonard | Why can't logged-in users search using tags they've added but which are not approved? |
| 14:49 | * oleonard | whines |
| 14:50 | Shane-S | magnuse: ty, still learning git, so can I just copy it manually then email the change in or is it patched via git as well? |
| 14:50 | magnuse | oops https://lists.koha-community.org/ (with https, not http) is giving some nasty security warnings |
| 14:50 | Shane-S: i think git is preferred, but ask nengard when she shows up | |
| 14:51 | Shane-S | kk ty |
| 14:51 | chris_n | Shane-S: all fields from the branches table should be available, although probably not all are useful |
| 14:51 | that entire bit of code needs to be cleaned up | |
| 14:51 | oleonard | We'll continue to peer-pressure you about git Shane-S ;) |
| 14:51 | chris_n | that select really returns way too much data |
| 14:51 | Shane-S | Have it at home now...just have to learn it :D |
| 14:52 | chris_n: yeah, I can trim the fat of the branches down easily. I can look into trimming it all if you like. | |
| 14:52 | It was just quicker to fetch it all :P | |
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| 14:52 | chris_n | well, the problem is larger than that sadly |
| 14:53 | Shane-S | the script is bloated? |
| 14:53 | chris_n | there were some differences of opinion as to what should be available or what needed to be available |
| 14:53 | so to please all of the people all of the time, that's how it ended up | |
| 14:53 | Shane-S | I don't see how the entire description is needed for a "labels" module |
| 14:53 | chris_n | restricting it w/o lots of commenting by the community might result in a few not able to print what they are used to printing |
| 14:53 | Shane-S | QR code MAYBE :P |
| 14:54 | * chris_n | heads out |
| 14:54 | Shane-S | hmm...*ponders radio/checkboxes and a "case" statement |
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| 15:06 | mveron | Good afternoon #koha |
| 15:16 | marcelr | oleonard: i am just thinking that my git clone had some resets and abort too many or so; probably must start a fresh one.. |
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| 15:36 | marcelr | back |
| 15:36 | oleonard? | |
| 15:36 | wahanui | it has been said that oleonard is the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler |
| 15:36 | oleonard | Yes |
| 15:37 | marcelr | it must be vim instead of git |
| 15:37 | replacing tabs by spaces | |
| 15:37 | changed my rc file today | |
| 15:37 | even in a fresh clone same problems.. | |
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| 15:47 | kyleh | have there been any problems with using Date::Calc::Day_of_Week? It's telling me today is an invalid date! |
| 15:48 | oleonard | I'll say it is. |
| 15:48 | * oleonard | goes home |
| 15:50 | kyleh | it's also telling me that the 27th is also invalid. |
| 15:50 | wizzyrea | chris_n: testing your patch now |
| 15:51 | ... and that was before I read your @later :) | |
| 15:52 | chris_n++ that works a treat :) | |
| 15:53 | magnuse | wizzyrea: if and when you have the time, could you take a look at the "bugs to be signed off" link on http://koha-community.org/ - and maybe change the kohaCon11-link to one for KohaCon12? |
| 15:53 | kthxbai | |
| 15:53 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 15:53 | lol | |
| 15:53 | magnus_afk | yay! |
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| 15:54 | magnus_afk | 2 bugs that need sign off is a little bit too good to be true... |
| 15:54 | * magnus_afk | takes the dogs for a walk |
| 15:54 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 15:55 | chris_n: labels.t gives some funky messages in the tests - but passes | |
| 15:55 | pastebot | "wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "messages from tests for chris_n" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/283 |
| 15:55 | "wizzyrea" at 24.124.17.146 pasted "messages from tests for chris_n" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/284 | |
| 15:56 | wizzyrea | (may be unrelated, idk. will check master too.) |
| 15:56 | nengard | question about master - is anyone else noticign that the help files aren't loading? is it just my set up? or a bug? |
| 15:57 | or i should say the help file on the main page | |
| 15:57 | other pages seem to work | |
| 15:57 | oleonard | nengard: It may just be mentioned in another bug, but it is a known issue |
| 15:57 | nengard | okey dokey, will search |
| 15:58 | another question - why were the table sorters removed on the patron search? and when? | |
| 15:58 | oleonard | If you're at http://my-koha-site.com it doesn't work. If you're at http://my-koha-site.com/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl it does work |
| 15:59 | nengard: I assume they were removed around the time the results got split into pages | |
| 15:59 | ...since sorting one page of many pages of results doesn't make much sense. | |
| 15:59 | nengard | hmmm |
| 15:59 | got people complaining that it disappeared after an upgrade | |
| 16:00 | wizzyrea | part of the unified patron search routine? |
| 16:00 | possibly? | |
| 16:00 | I know it was a speed suck. | |
| 16:25 | Shane-S | nengard: how best should I submit documentation changes based on a patch. I want to add more detail to the tools section 2.3.1 on the fields available. However, I can't use git (yet..working on it @ home) |
| 16:26 | nengard | if you can't use git them email me the text of your changes and i'll put it in |
| 16:27 | Shane-S | okay, using the http://lists.koha-community.or[…]istinfo/koha-docs page emails? |
| 16:27 | wizzyrea | Shane-S: I just signed off on the patch for your bug :) |
| 16:28 | Shane-S | awesome thanks :P (not sure what that means though) |
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| 16:34 | wizzyrea | it means it's only got QA and RM approval before your bug will be fixed :) |
| 16:35 | (in master) | |
| 16:35 | does someone have the link for kohacon12? | |
| 16:35 | slef? | |
| 16:35 | wahanui | slef is an encyclopedia of FOSS knowledge |
| 16:35 | wizzyrea | ^ true |
| 16:35 | kohacon12? | |
| 16:35 | wahanui | kohacon12 is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ategory:KohaCon12 or Conference Tue 5 June 2012 to Thu 7th, Hackfest Sat 9th June-Mon 11th June |
| 16:35 | wizzyrea | AHA |
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| 17:01 | eternalsword | in the templating system, with the [% IF %] blocks, is it possible to check if a variable, whose value is grabbed from the database, is NULL |
| 17:02 | wizzyrea | template toolkit? |
| 17:02 | wahanui | template toolkit is apt-get install libtemplate-perl or http://tt2.org/ |
| 17:02 | wizzyrea | this may help you: http://tt2.org/docs/manual/Variables.html |
| 17:03 | eternalsword | thanks |
| 17:04 | slef | wahanui++ |
| 17:05 | Shane-S | nengard: email you with the change, hopefully I I covered my bases. |
| 17:18 | melia | has anyone noticed a problem with RenewalBasePreference set to "the old date of the checkout"? one library is saying that if they renew a book today that isn't due until 5 days from today, the new due date is 2 wks from today instead of 2 wks from the actual due date... |
| 17:32 | wizzyrea | melia - i haven't heard that |
| 17:32 | but can test it | |
| 17:33 | gaetan_B | bye #koha! |
| 17:33 | melia | I'm only hearing it from one library. am wondering if maybe some other settings could be affecting it… |
| 17:34 | wizzyrea | could be |
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| 17:38 | oleonard | Seems to be working for me in master melia |
| 17:39 | fabio_t | Hi #koha! |
| 17:39 | melia | ok thanks for testing oleonard :) |
| 17:39 | * oleonard | needs to stop finding things he doesn't like about the way tags work |
| 17:40 | * jcamins_away | needs to stop finding things he wants done to his new apartment. |
| 17:40 | oleonard | I'm sure I could get lots of things I want if I threw money at the problem jcamins_away |
| 17:41 | * wizzyrea | read that as "throw money at the problem jcamins" |
| 17:41 | wizzyrea | he's not a problem |
| 17:42 | paul_p, see 5586 in regard to your SIP issue | |
| 17:42 | oleonard | I'm sure he wouldn't mind if we threw money at him wizzyrea |
| 17:43 | jcamins_away | wizzyrea: you canstill throw money at me. I wouldn't mind. |
| 17:44 | It would go towards cat6 cabling. | |
| 17:47 | kivilahtio | what is accountlines.accountno used for? |
| 17:47 | wizzyrea | schema? |
| 17:47 | wahanui | i heard schema was tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org |
| 17:47 | wizzyrea | boo it doesn't say |
| 17:48 | but afaik, the accountno is the number of the fine for that patron | |
| 17:48 | so the very first fine a patron ever gets, will be 1 | |
| 17:48 | the next, 2 | |
| 17:48 | and so on | |
| 17:48 | kivilahtio | what I wanted to find out is can we find out from what library does the fine originate from |
| 17:49 | @wizzyrea: hey thats true, | |
| 17:49 | huginn | kivilahtio: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 17:49 | wizzyrea | well... you can link the borrowernumber with issues |
| 17:50 | or old issues, if the book has been returned | |
| 17:50 | and look at issues.issuingbranch | |
| 17:50 | or issues.branchcode | |
| 17:50 | kivilahtio | @wizzyrea:yeah it seems legit |
| 17:50 | huginn | kivilahtio: I suck |
| 17:51 | kivilahtio | huginn: why is that? |
| 17:51 | huginn | kivilahtio: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 17:51 | wizzyrea | which would tell you where the item was checked out from |
| 17:51 | he's a bot :) | |
| 17:51 | he does that when you say @anything | |
| 17:51 | at the beginning of a line | |
| 17:51 | kivilahtio | @wizzyrea: so you have strategically added @ to the start of your name? |
| 17:51 | huginn | kivilahtio: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 17:51 | kivilahtio | how cool is that :D |
| 17:52 | wizzyrea | lol naw |
| 17:52 | @something | |
| 17:52 | huginn | wizzyrea: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 17:52 | wizzyrea | see :) |
| 17:52 | kivilahtio | I have a issues-table full of returndates and lastrenewdates of NULL |
| 17:52 | wizzyrea | @quote get random |
| 17:52 | huginn | wizzyrea: Error: 'random' is not a valid id. |
| 17:52 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 17:52 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 17:52 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #162: "oleonard: I think DRM is inherently incompatible with any lending system which will be friendly to patrons." (added by wizzyrea at 04:03 PM, October 28, 2011) |
| 17:52 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 17:52 | wizzyrea | right |
| 17:53 | issues never have a returndate | |
| 17:53 | luisb joined #koha | |
| 17:53 | wizzyrea | because once they do |
| 17:53 | they are copied to old_issues | |
| 17:53 | kivilahtio | ahaa! |
| 17:53 | wizzyrea | s/copied/moved |
| 17:53 | they *would* have a renewaldate | |
| 17:54 | if there were renewals | |
| 17:54 | but, of course many items are never renewed. | |
| 17:54 | kivilahtio | so backtracking accountlines.borrowernumber & itemnumber to issues and oldissues we can determine from which library this transaction emits |
| 17:54 | wizzyrea | exactly. |
| 17:55 | something like select * from old_issues join accountlines using(borrowernumber) where borrowernumber = <the number>; | |
| 17:56 | kivilahtio | good, I can mark good scores for the requirement "Can we see from the fines display, from which library the fines originate from" to existing functionality supports addon :) |
| 17:57 | How about custom created fines? | |
| 17:57 | @wizzyrea: fines that dont have a item attached? | |
| 17:57 | huginn | kivilahtio: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 17:58 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 17:58 | you want to know who added that? | |
| 17:58 | let me think | |
| 17:59 | kivilahtio | well it doesnt matter |
| 17:59 | * wizzyrea | tests something |
| 17:59 | kivilahtio | we can backtrack according to time and patron |
| 17:59 | wizzyrea | now I want to know ;) |
| 17:59 | because there is a "manager_id" in there | |
| 17:59 | and i wonder if it means anything | |
| 17:59 | kivilahtio | but issues has no manager_id |
| 17:59 | wizzyrea | no |
| 18:00 | but accountlines does | |
| 18:00 | kivilahtio | manager_id is the staff patron who created the fine |
| 18:00 | or participated in the payment | |
| 18:00 | wizzyrea | right - and that would lead you to which library added it |
| 18:00 | or, at least it would in my system | |
| 18:00 | kivilahtio | so true |
| 18:00 | wizzyrea | because every library has their own user. |
| 18:00 | several, even. | |
| 18:00 | kivilahtio | unless the staff was at some other library |
| 18:00 | wizzyrea | nah, the id's correspond to patrons |
| 18:01 | you would always be able to tell who did it | |
| 18:01 | kivilahtio | and patrons have fixed homebranches |
| 18:01 | yeah who, but from where? | |
| 18:01 | cait joined #koha | |
| 18:01 | wizzyrea | well, unless a staff member logged in as themself with a set branch in a different library |
| 18:01 | kivilahtio | yeah but thats so rare |
| 18:01 | wizzyrea | you do have to assume that the staff member was at the library they were signed in at |
| 18:01 | kivilahtio | and its user fault |
| 18:01 | wizzyrea | exactly |
| 18:01 | kivilahtio | you cant blame a system for that |
| 18:01 | wizzyrea | nope |
| 18:02 | cait | hi :) |
| 18:02 | wizzyrea | hi cait :) |
| 18:02 | kivilahtio | hi |
| 18:02 | wahanui | salut, kivilahtio |
| 18:02 | wizzyrea | we missed you yesterday |
| 18:02 | how did it go? | |
| 18:02 | kivilahtio | wahanui |
| 18:02 | wahanui | yes, kivilahtio? |
| 18:02 | wizzyrea | (also a bot) |
| 18:02 | kivilahtio | wahanui: what? |
| 18:02 | wahanui | i haven't a clue, kivilahtio |
| 18:02 | wizzyrea | (friendly sort though) |
| 18:02 | kivilahtio | :D |
| 18:02 | luv your bots | |
| 18:02 | wizzyrea | they are fun :) |
| 18:02 | kivilahtio | totally confuse me |
| 18:03 | wizzyrea | true. |
| 18:03 | kivilahtio | damn its 20:00 here already |
| 18:03 | should try to get to work earlier than 12:00 | |
| 18:03 | wizzyrea | where is "here?" |
| 18:03 | kivilahtio | but its nice and peacefull |
| 18:03 | Finland | |
| 18:03 | wizzyrea | ooooo |
| 18:04 | kivilahtio | and @wizzyrea? where do thee hail from? |
| 18:04 | wizzyrea | Kansas, USA |
| 18:04 | flyover country ;) | |
| 18:04 | kivilahtio | ok |
| 18:04 | Koha is bustling in the states | |
| 18:04 | wizzyrea | as in "the part most everyone only sees from the air" |
| 18:04 | kivilahtio | getting solid market share |
| 18:04 | wizzyrea | it's doing alright here :) |
| 18:05 | kivilahtio | I wonder how do you deal with consortia of say 200 libraries? |
| 18:05 | wizzyrea | with lots of hardware and a few staff, I'd guess. |
| 18:05 | * wizzyrea | has 40 in her consortium |
| 18:05 | kivilahtio | but Koha doesn't handicap it in anyway? |
| 18:05 | wizzyrea | not the way we use it, no. |
| 18:06 | kivilahtio | we have a dire need for departments inside libraries |
| 18:06 | and if we go Koha we definetely need to add that functionality | |
| 18:06 | wizzyrea | hm, explain |
| 18:06 | kivilahtio | and atm we have around 20 branches |
| 18:06 | wizzyrea | define "departments inside libraries" |
| 18:06 | kivilahtio | like musics department, childrens department |
| 18:06 | wizzyrea | the first question? |
| 18:06 | wahanui | the first question is "What are you trying to do?" |
| 18:06 | kivilahtio | serials deparmtnet |
| 18:07 | every library has its own departments, not all have the same. And every department needs to be able to define different loan rules | |
| 18:07 | wizzyrea | rather, what's the goal and how does Koha fall short |
| 18:07 | kivilahtio | have its own funds |
| 18:07 | wizzyrea | oh sure you can do that I think |
| 18:07 | kivilahtio | nope |
| 18:07 | well atm we havea a library for every department and can do searching using search groups | |
| 18:08 | but it makes the search display extremely cluttered | |
| 18:08 | we have 20 libraries, but those extra 150 departments really clutter the OPAC search | |
| 18:08 | search groups dont fix that | |
| 18:08 | departments need to have their own open periods | |
| 18:09 | wizzyrea | you can't do this with item types? |
| 18:09 | kivilahtio | so basically every department is a library of its own, with its own rulesets regardin even how fines are formed |
| 18:09 | but I feel it's not such a big issues to extend Koha to support departments | |
| 18:09 | wizzyrea | so have Serials - subtype |
| 18:09 | childrens - subtype1 | |
| 18:09 | childrens - subtype2 | |
| 18:10 | set fines/rules based on those itypes | |
| 18:10 | per library | |
| 18:10 | sure you end up with a zillion itypes | |
| 18:10 | but it might be better than what you're doing now | |
| 18:10 | kivilahtio | what about finding with itemtypes? |
| 18:10 | searching* | |
| 18:10 | you havea agazillion to choose from | |
| 18:10 | patrons wont like it, no one will | |
| 18:11 | wizzyrea | use collection codes for searching? |
| 18:11 | and only have a few of those? | |
| 18:11 | kivilahtio | or shelf locations? |
| 18:11 | wizzyrea | sure or that |
| 18:11 | i mean | |
| 18:11 | you can only base rules on itypes | |
| 18:11 | well and patron categories | |
| 18:11 | but I think you're more concerned with *things* and not *people* | |
| 18:11 | kivilahtio | and you think adding departments is such a huge issues? |
| 18:12 | wizzyrea | @quote get 123 |
| 18:12 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 18:12 | kivilahtio | what i gather it might take 2 months |
| 18:12 | wizzyrea | I think it might be one of these, and that is *ok* |
| 18:12 | kivilahtio | add a parent column to branches |
| 18:12 | to define hierarchial relationship | |
| 18:12 | wizzyrea | but it is always worth thinking about how to make koha fit in your mad scheme the way it is now |
| 18:13 | :) | |
| 18:13 | kivilahtio | well we would like to have it in master |
| 18:13 | you know to work with you guys to find the common ground | |
| 18:13 | wizzyrea | sure sure |
| 18:13 | kivilahtio | scratch your back, and get scratched |
| 18:14 | and what I gather from talks around here, some libraries will definetely be interested | |
| 18:14 | and that functionality streamlines Koha use, and gets rid of playing around with gazillion item types | |
| 18:14 | wizzyrea | i'm not disagreeing with you ^.^ |
| 18:14 | kivilahtio | anyway |
| 18:14 | wizzyrea | just thinking about how it could be done *now* and without a bunch of dev work. |
| 18:15 | if you're willing to do the work - more power to ya :) | |
| 18:15 | kivilahtio | dev work wont be an issues if we go OS ILS |
| 18:15 | we are planning to havea team of 3-4 persons for 1 year to do the migration, setup, extra developments | |
| 18:15 | to have things running more our way | |
| 18:15 | wizzyrea | yep - submit early, submit often |
| 18:15 | kivilahtio | but it will be important for us to stick to master branch |
| 18:16 | wizzyrea | steps are bigger than big chunks in our world |
| 18:16 | kivilahtio | so we wont get version locked |
| 18:16 | wizzyrea | big chunks often get bogged down in testing. |
| 18:16 | little chunks often sail right through | |
| 18:16 | kivilahtio | ok |
| 18:16 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 18:16 | kivilahtio | thats some solid advice |
| 18:16 | * wizzyrea | has seen it again and again |
| 18:17 | wizzyrea | version control using git |
| 18:17 | wahanui | version control using git is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 18:17 | wizzyrea | you are familiar with this eh |
| 18:17 | and.... | |
| 18:18 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]gn_off_on_patches | |
| 18:18 | and http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]n_a_pushed_branch | |
| 18:18 | and http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/SubmitingAPatch | |
| 18:19 | fabio_t | Bye! |
| 18:19 | wizzyrea | bye :) |
| 18:21 | mveron | wizzyrea: I hope my little chunk in Bug 7621 can sail through :-) |
| 18:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories |
| 18:22 | wizzyrea | me too, that looks really helpful |
| 18:22 | what do you think about adding it to reserves as well? | |
| 18:23 | mveron | I just commented it. Seems that it would lad to som architectural changes. |
| 18:23 | * wizzyrea | imagines a scenario where a kid places a hold on a R rated movie, the item is transited ($$, often), but the kid is denied checkout and the item has to be transited back home (more $$) |
| 18:23 | kivilahtio | hmm ok, ill dig into those tomorrow, good night gents |
| 18:23 | wizzyrea | later :) |
| 18:24 | mveron | wizzyrea: I take this as comment to my comment. We need the functionality urgently. |
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| 18:25 | wizzyrea | yep, it can be added later |
| 18:25 | but I think it's worth thinking about | |
| 18:25 | (it's not a requirement for your functionality to get in) | |
| 18:25 | (at least not for me) | |
| 18:25 | (someone else might complain, I can't speak for them) | |
| 18:26 | libsysguy | ill complain |
| 18:26 | * libsysguy | wonders what he'll be complaining about |
| 18:26 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 18:26 | stop you are giving mveron a heart attack. | |
| 18:26 | mveron | Why? Oh. :-) About the weather... ? |
| 18:27 | wizzyrea | no, about libsysguy being sarcastic and complaining about your age functionality ;) |
| 18:27 | but he won't really | |
| 18:27 | WILL HE | |
| 18:27 | * wizzyrea | gives libsysguy the stink eye |
| 18:27 | mveron | Nobody should complain about age :-) |
| 18:27 | libsysguy | hehe |
| 18:27 | cait | mveron: do you think it could be extended to take a field from items into account? |
| 18:27 | :) | |
| 18:28 | iam thinking about hte restricted value | |
| 18:28 | mveron | Hi cait. Yes I do. |
| 18:28 | * libsysguy | runs giggling from wizzyrea |
| 18:28 | cait | I don't think it's actually used for something right now |
| 18:28 | and with our union catalog schema we would need soomething on item level | |
| 18:28 | mveron | I pondered about using the public notes field on items. |
| 18:29 | cait | hm |
| 18:29 | i would think restricted | |
| 18:29 | wizzyrea | seems like a hack to me |
| 18:29 | mveron | Our librarians asked the same thing. |
| 18:29 | cait | it's an item field |
| 18:29 | wizzyrea | oh you mean like a "not for loan" value |
| 18:29 | cait | and I think the descriptions for the restricted values are already shown on opac now |
| 18:29 | would have to try, but I think owen(?) did some work on that | |
| 18:30 | wizzyrea: yes, authorized value :) | |
| 18:30 | wizzyrea | an authorized value might work well there. |
| 18:30 | ever a chace of having a restricted item that is also not for loan? | |
| 18:30 | becuse that situation would be impossible with an auth value in not_loan | |
| 18:30 | @quote get 123 | |
| 18:30 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 18:30 | cait | you could make the value the age perhaps, and the description whatever you like |
| 18:31 | wizzyrea: it's a separate field | |
| 18:31 | not the not for loan one | |
| 18:31 | you can have both | |
| 18:31 | mveron | I try to follow... |
| 18:31 | wizzyrea | oh, hm |
| 18:31 | cait | the rest is a matter of display |
| 18:31 | wizzyrea | oh, $5 |
| 18:31 | use restrictions | |
| 18:31 | cait | yep |
| 18:32 | was looking up the field - you beat me :) | |
| 18:32 | 953$5 | |
| 18:32 | * wizzyrea | had uh, not seen that one before |
| 18:32 | cait | it's been there all the time |
| 18:32 | but I don't think we do anything with it | |
| 18:32 | wizzyrea | rather, overlooked it |
| 18:32 | cait | except I think we display it now |
| 18:32 | wizzyrea | possibly |
| 18:32 | so, mveron | |
| 18:32 | in the authorized values | |
| 18:32 | cait | mveron: still confused? :) |
| 18:32 | wizzyrea | you can define restrictions |
| 18:32 | that will show up per item | |
| 18:33 | in a drop down | |
| 18:33 | cait | you could do something like 16 (value) = FSK 16 (description) |
| 18:33 | wizzyrea | http://screencast.com/t/3hqXxIl8iXHH |
| 18:34 | you would set those up here: http://screencast.com/t/Z0VHmUwx3adA | |
| 18:34 | mveron | Wow |
| 18:34 | * wizzyrea | waits for the "look at all of those tabs!" |
| 18:36 | cait | mveron: I think checking marc in circ will make things really slow |
| 18:36 | mveron: item level would be a lot faster | |
| 18:36 | mveron | I think we should do the one and not forget the other. Some libraries would prefer to restrict on titles, athers to restrict on items. |
| 18:36 | wizzyrea | and we can *not* have slow circ |
| 18:36 | circ must not get any slower. | |
| 18:37 | mveron | cait: In my implementation I did not hae the impression that it is slow. It is just one SQL statement more, it includes the XML extraction. |
| 18:37 | cait | mveron: I am a bit worried about using tha tmarc field |
| 18:37 | xml extraction with xml is not so fast in my experience | |
| 18:38 | with sql | |
| 18:38 | sorry, tired | |
| 18:38 | just came home, sitting in trains all day | |
| 18:39 | mveron | Hmm, it runs fine on my server. |
| 18:39 | wizzyrea | under load? |
| 18:40 | cait | oooh |
| 18:40 | what you could do | |
| 18:40 | use the value in the marc | |
| 18:40 | and make a plugin | |
| 18:40 | that will fill the restricted field in the items | |
| 18:40 | wizzyrea | oh yea! that's a great idea |
| 18:40 | cait | and |
| 18:41 | make the field configurable using a syspref | |
| 18:41 | then you could match the descriptions from field x to descriptions from an authorized value even... | |
| 18:41 | wizzyrea | like the classification scheme thing. |
| 18:41 | kinda | |
| 18:41 | cait | wizzyrea: exactly! |
| 18:41 | use it to preset the value, would make it easy to catalog | |
| 18:41 | wizzyrea | that solves both problems. |
| 18:41 | cait++ | |
| 18:41 | cait | and keep the functionality on item level |
| 18:41 | wizzyrea | for fast circ :) |
| 18:43 | cait | mveron: hm, I wonder if xml functions are mysql specific |
| 18:45 | mveron | cait: I'm in discussion wit mbalmer about this, regarding postGre . B.T.W. it is used at other places, I found the idea in the Wiki (Reporting) |
| 18:46 | cait | mveron: yeah for reporting I think it's ok |
| 18:46 | we will have different sections maybe later | |
| 18:47 | mveron: reports are done by each library, and you can configure it | |
| 18:47 | not so much of a problme then :) libraries using a different database system can write different reports, it's not built in | |
| 18:47 | mveron | cait: I know. |
| 18:48 | So we have 3 concerns: | |
| 18:48 | schuster joined #koha | |
| 18:48 | mveron | a) Fastness, b) Is the field appropriate c) XML extraction |
| 18:48 | wizzyrea | fastness probably being the most important |
| 18:51 | mveron | wizzyrea: Hmm, how to test? |
| 18:51 | wizzyrea | i'd ping sekjal about that sort of thing |
| 18:52 | we always find out about performance problems the hard way - by putting it into production and suffering. | |
| 18:52 | mveron | And if fatness would be an issue for big libraries, thy do not have to use the function. |
| 18:52 | Sorry, fastness,,, | |
| 18:52 | wizzyrea | :P |
| 18:52 | mveron | Shoud put my glasses... |
| 18:52 | wizzyrea | lol, fatness is often a problem for big libraries. |
| 18:52 | get it? har har har | |
| 18:52 | cait | mveron: make the field configurable |
| 18:52 | but I really think item level would be more flexible | |
| 18:52 | and perhaps not so much harder to implement really | |
| 18:53 | mveron | I can make it configurable (you mean the field) |
| 18:53 | For us it is really very important, because we deal with small and middl public libraris an school libraries. | |
| 18:54 | The librarians in our group said that I killed a killer by implementing the function. | |
| 18:54 | Really ._9 Not only a 3 letter code :-) | |
| 18:54 | wizzyrea | yup, it will be helpful for us too |
| 18:54 | as we are thinking of adding a school | |
| 18:54 | and they may want to do this | |
| 18:55 | another way to extend it, would be to make it a per branch setting | |
| 18:55 | per-library | |
| 18:55 | cait | _9? |
| 18:55 | wizzyrea | so patrons of a school would be subject to age restrictions |
| 18:55 | mveron | Looks nice... New emoticon.. Says "MArc, put your glasses" |
| 18:55 | wizzyrea | but not patrons of the other publics |
| 18:56 | mveron | ^^^Would have to find out how |
| 18:57 | * mveron | _9 could maybe something like "working until 9 PM" |
| 19:01 | Will try to find out where to implement settings per branch | |
| 19:13 | cait | oleonard++ |
| 19:13 | wizzyrea | because oleonards make everything better. |
| 19:14 | * oleonard | thought maybe it was for polishing off my lunch with such dispatch |
| 19:15 | cait | :) |
| 19:15 | oh | |
| 19:15 | oleonard: marseille! squee! | |
| 19:16 | oleonard | :) |
| 19:16 | cait | oh |
| 19:16 | and I wanted to ask you to take a look at order notes | |
| 19:17 | ... | |
| 19:17 | can bring chocolate? :) | |
| 19:18 | * wizzyrea | steps away briefly to fetch lunch. |
| 19:20 | oleonard | what about order notes cait? |
| 19:25 | cait | oleonard: sorry, got a phone call |
| 19:25 | finding the bug number for you | |
| 19:25 | 7166 | |
| 19:30 | I think having a popup is not good - because of printing and because you don't see them | |
| 19:30 | not sure what we could do to make it look good | |
| 19:31 | was thinking perhaps you had a suggestion | |
| 19:45 | mveron | wizzyrea: About branch settings, am I right that this is done via the group configuration? |
| 19:45 | wizzyrea | the groups were never finished afaik |
| 19:46 | maybe gmcharlt can speak to that? | |
| 19:46 | mveron | With two branches belonging to two different Properties Groups I can have different settings. |
| 19:47 | wizzyrea | i have never fiddled around with the groups because I assumed they didn't work, because at some point someone told me they were incomplete. |
| 19:47 | or didn't work as expected | |
| 19:47 | if it were me, I'd just add it to the branch definitions. | |
| 19:49 | mveron | In Home › Administration › Libraries and Groups -> Modify Library? |
| 19:49 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 19:52 | oleonard | I spend twenty minutes looking at acquisitions templates and now the word "basket" looks totally wrong to me. |
| 19:52 | * wizzyrea | has had the same problem with the word basket |
| 19:53 | wizzyrea | does anyone else have an idea on what exactly is going on in 7624? |
| 19:53 | bug 7624 | |
| 19:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7624 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Constrain new category code field to 2 Characters in categorie.pl |
| 19:54 | oleonard | wizzyrea: I'd say wait for a detailed error message before spending any more time on it |
| 19:55 | cait | oleonard: I think I have changed it in german to 'order' = bestellung |
| 19:59 | * oleonard | got distracted by issues with modordernotes.pl; will look now at basket.tt |
| 20:00 | cait | thank you :) |
| 20:00 | it didn't feel 'right' to me | |
| 20:00 | but not sure what will work | |
| 20:01 | mveron | wizzyrea: Adding something to the branch definitions would need an additional database field in the branches table, am I right? |
| 20:02 | wizzyrea | i would guess so, yes |
| 20:03 | mveron | Hmm, would propose to stick with system preferences (as longas they "listen" to property groups) |
| 20:07 | oleonard | cait: what about simply giving the note a little space? http://screencast.com/t/eeIE86fWA ...and a proper label? |
| 20:08 | wizzyrea | aside: that note is pretty priceless. |
| 20:08 | cait | oleonard: keep it simple - I like it |
| 20:08 | priceless? | |
| 20:08 | wizzyrea | awesome? |
| 20:08 | * oleonard | will submit a follow-up patch which includes that and other changes |
| 20:08 | wizzyrea | funny? |
| 20:09 | cait | yay |
| 20:09 | thank you! | |
| 20:09 | oleonard++ | |
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| 20:13 | Space_Librarian | o/ |
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| 20:16 | fabio_t | Hi |
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| 20:17 | mtj | morning #koha |
| 20:17 | fabio_t | Hi mtj |
| 20:18 | * mtj | waves to eythian_bucklame from hamiltr0n |
| 20:18 | mtj | heya fabio_t |
| 20:19 | fabio_t | I can't search authorities in UNIMARC Koha 3.6 packages |
| 20:19 | wizzyrea | and they've been indexed? |
| 20:19 | fabio_t | I did rebuild_zebra.pl -a -r |
| 20:20 | but no way | |
| 20:20 | eythian_bucklame | mtj: why on earth would you be there? |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | hm, you're using packages |
| 20:20 | fabio_t | auth_header table isn't empty |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | I wonder if it was a problem with permissions |
| 20:20 | mtj | on the way back to wgtn, from a wedding in ak |
| 20:21 | fabio_t | and authority records seem fine |
| 20:21 | wizzyrea | perhaps you need to do |
| 20:21 | koha-rebuild-zebra -a -r instancename | |
| 20:21 | fabio_t | it says that -a switch is not compatible with -x |
| 20:22 | wizzyrea | eythian - any thoughts on that one? |
| 20:22 | eythian_bucklame | if you just do koha-rebuild-zebra --full instancename, it'll rebuild everything. |
| 20:22 | fabio_t | so I ran the reindexing in the old fashioned way : |
| 20:22 | :) | |
| 20:22 | wizzyrea | authorities too? |
| 20:22 | eythian_bucklame | I'd be very careful doing it the old fashioned way |
| 20:22 | yep, authorities too | |
| 20:22 | I think there's an option to just do thing, will check | |
| 20:22 | *just do them | |
| 20:23 | wizzyrea | oh |
| 20:23 | -u -a -r | |
| 20:23 | fabio_t | I'm giving it a try, thanks |
| 20:23 | wizzyrea | or -u -f |
| 20:23 | for no -x | |
| 20:23 | fabio_t | what does -u stand for? |
| 20:23 | wizzyrea | process as USMARC rather than default of MARCXML |
| 20:24 | * wizzyrea | was reading http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]e_Debian_packages |
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| 20:24 | eythian_bucklame | koha-rebuild-zebra currently only has the ability to do both bibs and authorities at the same time |
| 20:24 | wizzyrea | there you have it, thanks eythian |
| 20:24 | * wizzyrea | adds that to the wiki |
| 20:24 | eythian_bucklame | but it is smart enough to always do usmarc for authorities :) |
| 20:27 | wizzyrea | so you can't do just bibs, or just authorities |
| 20:27 | you have to do both | |
| 20:27 | fabio_t | wizzyrea: you were talking about permissions... what kind of permissions? operative system user (sudoer or not) or staff user permissions set in the backend of Koha? |
| 20:28 | wizzyrea | operating system permissions |
| 20:28 | i.e. the permissions on the zebradb itself. | |
| 20:28 | fabio_t | k |
| 20:28 | hm | |
| 20:28 | zebra seems to run fine | |
| 20:30 | eythian_bucklame | I tend to find that as soon as someone does a sudo rebuild_zebra... it breaks the permissions on the packages. |
| 20:30 | fabio_t | should I change ownership or other rights on some zebra file? |
| 20:30 | eythian_bucklame | or rather, on the package managed zebra db |
| 20:30 | wizzyrea | ^^ this was my concern |
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| 20:30 | wizzyrea | but I didn't have any direct evidence |
| 20:30 | but you do :) | |
| 20:30 | fabio_t | eheh |
| 20:31 | eythian_bucklame | fabio_t: when you ran rebuild_zebra, exactly what was your command? |
| 20:31 | brb meeting | |
| 20:31 | oleonard | Weird... The notes I added via modordernotes.pl are not showing up on parcel.pl |
| 20:32 | ...but other notes are. | |
| 20:32 | fabio_t | hm, I've made many attempts eythian_bucklame... do you need to know the first one? |
| 20:35 | oleonard | cait, have you noticed that ^^ |
| 20:35 | wizzyrea | that would probably be the one that made the problem originally |
| 20:35 | cait | sorry, noticed? |
| 20:35 | oleonard: oh | |
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| 20:36 | cait | I think i only checked basket summary |
| 20:36 | perhaps | |
| 20:36 | :( | |
| 20:36 | what other notes? | |
| 20:36 | one other thing about the change is, that we copy footnotes into that field | |
| 20:36 | in neworderempty | |
| 20:37 | oleonard | Notes which I must have added at the time of ordering |
| 20:37 | cait | which I always found a bit weird |
| 20:37 | oleonard: probably automagically copied footnotes? | |
| 20:38 | oleonard: it is the same field as on the order form - it's not a new field | |
| 20:38 | only that you are not supposed to change the order lines after ordering and I think that's a first step tomake that happen | |
| 20:39 | hope I make sense... | |
| 20:41 | fabio_t | I've just ran sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v myInstanceName |
| 20:44 | wizzyrea | did it work? |
| 20:45 | pastebot | "fabio_t" at 93.47.33.122 pasted "output of sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v instanceName" (86 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/285 |
| 20:45 | fabio_t | no... |
| 20:45 | I still can't search authorities | |
| 20:46 | as NPs | |
| 20:47 | eythian_bucklame | those warnings look a bit dubious, but I don't really know what they mean |
| 20:47 | fabio_t | I thought it could be bug #3072 but I get no results with any option |
| 20:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3072 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, 'Heading-Main' authority-index breaks authority searching in STABLE |
| 20:49 | cait | the warnings look really weri |
| 20:49 | d | |
| 20:49 | fabio_t | I've always got those warnings, even if I don't reindex authorities |
| 20:49 | cait | I have never seen those index names I think |
| 20:49 | are you using marc21 or unimarc? | |
| 20:49 | fabio_t | UNIMARC |
| 20:50 | cait | eythian_bucklame: could that be the problem? |
| 20:50 | fabio_t | but bibs indexing and searching work |
| 20:51 | eythian_bucklame | cait: I don't know. fabio_t, did you add '--marcflavor unimarc' when you ran koha-create? |
| 20:51 | mveron | wizzyrea: You were right with the Library Property Groups. I mistaked with my tests. I read the manual for Verion 3.6, but there is no explnation what the groups do. |
| 20:52 | See: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]s.html#libsgroups, 2.1.3.2. | |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | I vaguely wonder why we don't rip them out. |
| 20:52 | cait | mveron: I think search group swork, but property groups not |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | aha |
| 20:53 | cait | mveron: I think features that got lost sometime, but should be revoked |
| 20:53 | because it#s a cool idea :) | |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | yea, it was a 3.0 thing |
| 20:53 | cait | I think it was possible to use groups to express attributes |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | sorry, was supposed to be a 3.2 things |
| 20:53 | cait | like 'non-circulatiing' |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | but it never got finished, because the company that was doing it left the community. |
| 20:54 | mveron | Found an explanation here: (for what they do and not do actually, with a text for the manual): http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]March/027861.html |
| 20:54 | cait | I was thinking about have a library with ILL function (to own ill materials) |
| 20:54 | oleonard | Liblime took it with them when they took their toys and went home. |
| 20:54 | cait | wizzyrea: I think it's probably much older |
| 20:54 | fabio_t | eythian_bucklame: I don't know if I did it for this instance |
| 20:54 | cait | when I remember correctly what rangi told me |
| 20:55 | fabio_t | but I've fixed pathProfile or something in one instance that I didn't installed properly |
| 20:56 | ...pathProfile in a zebra configuration file | |
| 20:58 | just ran history | grep koha-create | |
| 20:58 | it returns sudo koha-create --marcflavor unimarc --create-db kohaauth | |
| 20:59 | ...so I did it | |
| 20:59 | eythian_bucklame | hmm OK |
| 20:59 | oleonard | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]System_groups_RFC |
| 20:59 | eythian_bucklame | I don't know then really, never used unimarc. It's possible the packages aren't setting up some path for unimarc correctly, but that's just a guess. |
| 21:00 | * mveron | Hmm, remembering wat wizzyrea said earlier today about small and big chunks: I would really like to get the age thing sail through as soon as possible. |
| 21:01 | cait | mveron: I can understand |
| 21:01 | mveron: only not too happy with it like it is now for myself :( | |
| 21:01 | fabio_t | should I open a new bug? |
| 21:02 | eythian_bucklame | fabio_t: worth a shot, it at least gives you somewhere to focus research on |
| 21:02 | however, I'd collect as much information as you can to work out where the issue is, my only ideas are just guessing | |
| 21:02 | (also, I'm not doing koha work today, so can't really look in detail) | |
| 21:03 | fabio_t | ok, thank you anyway |
| 21:04 | wizzyrea, cait: what do you think about it? | |
| 21:04 | any clue? | |
| 21:04 | cait | fabio_t: sorry, I am not familiar with the packages or unimarc - and have not followed all of the discussion |
| 21:04 | wizzyrea | sorry, I only use MARC21 too |
| 21:04 | cait | not much use here |
| 21:04 | and about to sleep :) | |
| 21:04 | cya all tomorrow | |
| 21:04 | fabio_t | bye cait |
| 21:04 | and thanks | |
| 21:04 | wizzyrea++ | |
| 21:05 | cait++ | |
| 21:05 | eythian++ | |
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| 21:13 | mveron | Oh, it's getting late. Good night. |
| 21:13 | * oleonard | heads out too |
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| 21:26 | slef | morning #koha |
| 21:28 | Space_Librarian | morning slef |
| 21:43 | * wizzyrea | looks at the clock |
| 21:43 | checks the world clock | |
| 21:44 | thinks slef is bluffing about it being morning. | |
| 21:44 | * Space_Librarian | checks the clock - it's morning for her |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | oh I am *sure* it's morning for yOU :) |
| 21:44 | you* | |
| 21:46 | Space_Librarian | hehehehe. |
| 21:54 | eythian_bucklame | it's also morning for me. |
| 21:54 | wizzyrea | *nod* |
| 21:54 | eythian_bucklame | so far, evidence points to morning everywhere |
| 21:54 | wizzyrea | world clock says it is NOT morning in the UK or here ;) |
| 21:54 | eythian_bucklame | outliers. |
| 21:54 | don't count | |
| 21:54 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 21:54 | you're right, the world *does* revolve around NZ | |
| 21:56 | eythian_bucklame | I knew it! |
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| 22:14 | magnus_afk | g'night #koha! |
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| 22:40 | fabio_t | bye all |
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