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| 00:11 | eythian_bucklame | Judit1: I don't think that was me |
| 00:11 | Judit1 | hmm, yeah that eythian was walking, not cycling |
| 00:11 | :) | |
| 00:13 | eythian_bucklame | also, I'm in auckland, unfortunately. |
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| 08:02 | ephazz | i would like to delete all duplicate records, hw do i do that guys |
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| 08:08 | asaurat | hello |
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| 08:23 | ephazz | i would like to delete all duplicate records, hw do i do that guys |
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| 10:09 | cait-m | hi all |
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| 10:10 | cait | hi #koha |
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| 10:28 | * magnuse | wonders if cait has managed to figure the cloning bug |
| 10:28 | cait | heh |
| 10:28 | working on it | |
| 10:28 | but it's really not stable yet | |
| 10:29 | magnuse | hehe |
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| 10:32 | cait | interesting |
| 10:32 | wahanui | interesting is good |
| 10:32 | cait | that's cait from the mobile phone |
| 10:32 | there should be no ___ hmm. | |
| 10:35 | hdl | wahanui: forget interesting |
| 10:35 | wahanui | hdl: I forgot interesting |
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| 10:58 | vfernandes | hi guys |
| 11:15 | * magnuse | wonder briefly if DBIx::Class::Migration might be applied to our discussion of how to handle database upgrades etc, then forgets about it |
| 11:16 | vfernandes | it's possible to migrate only items (XML format) to one record? |
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| 11:22 | cait_ | T |
| 11:23 | vfernandes | there is any tool to do bulk item import |
| 11:23 | ? | |
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| 11:25 | cait_ | bulkmarcimport |
| 11:25 | wahanui | i guess bulkmarcimport is different perhaps, than the staged marc import scripts we patched |
| 11:26 | cait_ | Forget bulkmarcimport |
| 11:26 | wahanui | cait_: I forgot bulkmarcimport |
| 11:27 | vfernandes | the records are already in the database... then the client sent me some new items to add to some records |
| 11:27 | which is the easiest way to do this? | |
| 11:29 | I know the biblionumber where the item will be added... maybe I can create the item directly in the database an then rebuild the marcxml of the record | |
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| 11:29 | cait_ | Hmm |
| 11:29 | Do you to which records they belong? | |
| 11:29 | vfernandes | yes |
| 11:30 | cait_ | Reindexing should do it |
| 11:30 | Rebuilding the xml | |
| 11:31 | In the past we created brief marc records with the items (for migrations) | |
| 11:32 | So not sure | |
| 11:34 | vfernandes | AddItems from C4::Items maybe is the correct method to use |
| 11:35 | or maybe AddItemBatchFromMarc | |
| 11:36 | this afternoon will see this better | |
| 11:37 | cait | I think there is no ready to use way to do it, you will have to script something |
| 11:37 | or generate records | |
| 11:40 | vfernandes | do a script is not a problem :) I've already done many scripts for data migration to Koha from another systems like Aleph, Millenium, BiblioBase... |
| 11:41 | cait | :) |
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| 12:57 | chris_n | bugs.k-c.org slow for anyone else this morning? |
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| 13:00 | * jcamins_away | falls asleep. |
| 13:00 | jcamins_away | (waiting for bugs.k-c.org) |
| 13:03 | So, yeah, pretty slow. | |
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| 13:21 | magnuse | doesn't seem too bad from here |
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| 13:42 | tcohen | hi #koha |
| 13:42 | oleonard | What's up #koha? |
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| 13:58 | kivilahtio | We have been gathering our software requirements specification, and one large |
| 13:58 | issue troubling us is tha lack of support for library departments. We would | |
| 13:58 | like to define separate loan rules for the musics department than the serials | |
| 13:58 | department. Childrens area has no costs for returning late. Loan rules for the | |
| 13:58 | same material is different depending on the department. | |
| 13:58 | To alleviate this we are planning to extend the branches-functionality by | |
| 13:58 | modifying the branches-table, to contain a parent/sibling-relation. So we can | |
| 13:58 | define some libraries as departments. | |
| 13:58 | This way the departments would be like libraries, when it comes to funds, and | |
| 13:58 | loan rules etc. | |
| 13:58 | We would have to modify the OPAC-view to hide departments from libraries facet | |
| 13:58 | And modify the search queries to include departments, or just use search groups | |
| 14:00 | but search groups area a keyword mess when you have 10+ libraries in it | |
| 14:00 | jcamins_away | kivilahtio: what's wrong with using item types? |
| 14:05 | kivilahtio | jcamins_away: we would have to define item types for every department |
| 14:06 | jcamins_away | kivilahtio: but you're going to have to define the same number of circulation rules in the end, so why not use the existing code? |
| 14:06 | kivilahtio | jcamins_away: Book for childrens department, Book for adults department |
| 14:06 | jcamins_away | That seems to me to be the way it works for all libraries: children's book, adult book, local history book, etc., etc. |
| 14:07 | kivilahtio | jcamins_away: It doesn't seem to be the right way to do it |
| 14:07 | jcamins_away: we can have sam item types in many departments | |
| 14:08 | jcamins_away | kivilahtio: I come from the school of thought that says "if it's less work and gets the job done, it's the right way to do it." |
| 14:08 | kivilahtio | jcamins_away: and about serials, we can have them in the serials departmant, as wel las in the adults department |
| 14:08 | jcamins_away: So we would have serials department serials vs adults department serials | |
| 14:09 | jcamins_away: and not everyone of our libraries has the same department | |
| 14:09 | jcamins_away | Remember that any customizations you do have to either get into mainline Koha (which means that it can't break any existing functionality, and has to meet community standards), or you have to maintain the code. |
| 14:09 | kivilahtio | jcamins_away: That is what I want to hear. Could we do it to match community standards? |
| 14:10 | jcamins_away | kivilahtio: I'm sure you could. |
| 14:10 | jcamins | It's just additional work. |
| 14:10 | kivilahtio | jcamins: Is there anybody else who would benefit for having departments? |
| 14:10 | It is | |
| 14:10 | jcamins | I'm sure there is. |
| 14:10 | kivilahtio | jcamins: but it would make things more streamlined |
| 14:11 | jcamins | kivilahtio: Provided you're aware that this is going to be more work, I strongly support you adding the new feature. :) |
| 14:11 | kivilahtio | jcamins: and in some cases we will run into trouble, not solvable by item types |
| 14:11 | jcamins: If we move to OS ILS, I already suggested we hire a project team of 4 persons for the duration of 1 year | |
| 14:12 | jcamins | Good, so you already thought about this. |
| 14:12 | kivilahtio | jcamins: To do the migration, code more functionality, make it more suitable to our standards, make localizations |
| 14:12 | jcamins | A lot of libraries don't think this through, and end up stuck on an old version of Koha permanently. |
| 14:12 | kivilahtio | jcamins: If we go OS we definetely weant to be a part of the community |
| 14:13 | jcamins: reap the benefits and bear the burden | |
| 14:15 | jcamins | kivilahtio++ |
| 14:15 | Good for you! We get a lot of people who don't feel the same way, so I have a prepared speech about open source not meaning "someone else will do your work for free." :) | |
| 14:16 | I think the method you proposed makes sense, but I foresee problems with the circulation rules. | |
| 14:17 | You'll need to think very hard about how "most specific to least specific" would work in this case. | |
| 14:18 | kivilahtio | jcamins: what I wanted to hear is that, how large a task you feel this added functionality would be? I have come to think we could do it in 1 month |
| 14:18 | I am not looking for hard dates, just some general idea about how demanding it might be | |
| 14:19 | I mean 1 man/month of work | |
| 14:20 | jcamins | Yes, that seems reasonable. |
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| 14:21 | jcamins | However, keep in mind that it can take a while for features to get into Koha, so you'll need to maintain the code, rebasing it to work with the latest master, until it gets in. |
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| 14:23 | kivilahtio | jcamins: ok, but that wont be a major issue, right? |
| 14:23 | jcamins | Generally speaking, it's pretty easy. |
| 14:23 | kivilahtio | jcamins: It's some extra work but it wont take more than days. |
| 14:23 | jcamins | Right. |
| 14:23 | But if you're outsourcing the development, it's something you want to keep in mind. | |
| 14:23 | kivilahtio | ok |
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| 15:21 | libsysguy | random question |
| 15:21 | jcamins | Never! |
| 15:21 | ^^ Random answer | |
| 15:21 | libsysguy | I a serial comes in say spring, winter, summer, and fall |
| 15:21 | jcamins | Witty comeback! |
| 15:21 | libsysguy | how would you go about denoting that with a timestamp |
| 15:22 | jcamins | You mean in planning? |
| 15:22 | libsysguy | oh jcamins you have outwitted me this time |
| 15:22 | jcamins | Isn't there a 1/quarter option? |
| 15:22 | libsysguy | I think so lol |
| 15:22 | wizzyrea | tangentially related problem that may or may not be really related but that is sure to spark contentious debate |
| 15:22 | libsysguy | there is, but a subscription start date is required |
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| 15:23 | wizzyrea | so say, start it on the 1st day of that season |
| 15:23 | jcamins | Ah. I use July 1. |
| 15:23 | Or October 1 if the Fall issue is first. | |
| 15:24 | wizzyrea | june 21 :P |
| 15:24 | libsysguy | I wish there was a better way :'( |
| 15:24 | wants manip back lol | |
| 15:24 | jcamins | Someone drilled a hole in this CD case. |
| 15:24 | libsysguy | monsters |
| 15:25 | jcamins | What I'm wondering is "why?" |
| 15:25 | wizzyrea | duly noted one should *not* take certain antibiotics on an empty stomach |
| 15:25 | * wizzyrea | almost ralphed in the parking lot of spud's daycare. |
| 15:25 | wizzyrea | *almost* |
| 15:25 | libsysguy | grozz wizzyrea |
| 15:25 | jcamins | Thanks for sharing. :P |
| 15:25 | wizzyrea | you're welcome. |
| 15:25 | libsysguy | jcamins, one is not to ask why where there are librarians involved :p |
| 15:26 | wizzyrea | @quote get 123 |
| 15:26 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 15:26 | wizzyrea | ^^ this |
| 15:26 | libsysguy | exactly |
| 15:26 | jcamins | libsysguy: granted, but this is my wife's CD. |
| 15:26 | wizzyrea | @quote add libsysguy: one is not to ask why where there are librarians involved :P |
| 15:26 | huginn | wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 15:26 | jcamins | (there's no hole in the CD, just the case) |
| 15:26 | oleonard | Is it used? |
| 15:26 | jcamins | The CD is. Not the hole. |
| 15:26 | wizzyrea | O.o |
| 15:27 | @quote get 23 | |
| 15:27 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg huginn register nick password" (added by wizzyrea_ at 04:25 PM, August 06, 2009) |
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| 15:27 | jcamins | And I can't really see how one could hang the case in a useful fashion. |
| 15:27 | wizzyrea | is huginn ignoring me?! |
| 15:27 | * wizzyrea | pokes huginn |
| 15:27 | wizzyrea | did I not give you enough cookies? |
| 15:27 | oleonard | I've seen used CD cases notched or with holes in them before... some kind of record store secret code |
| 15:28 | jcamins | oleonard: hm. I guess that could be it. I don't know whether she got the CD new. |
| 15:28 | oleonard | Ha... "record store." You know, like where you get 78s for your gramophone. |
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| 15:30 | wizzyrea | now I can't remember what the quote was I was trying to add |
| 15:30 | oh right | |
| 15:30 | @quote add libsysguy: one need not ask "why" where there are librarians involved :P | |
| 15:30 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #189 added. |
| 15:31 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 15:31 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #103: "<cait>: Nobody can find you hiding in Search.pm ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 09:18 PM, November 13, 2010) |
| 15:31 | jcamins | Very true. |
| 15:31 | wahanui | I know. That's why I said it. |
| 15:31 | * wizzyrea | hides in search.pm |
| 15:31 | wizzyrea | y'all better get your machetes, it's gonna be a trek to get me outta here. |
| 15:32 | * oleonard | finds wizzyrea hiding behind "# FIXME: WHY?" |
| 15:32 | kivilahtio | sounds like someone/or something is in a need for rewrite |
| 15:33 | wizzyrea | ok that was really funny :) |
| 15:33 | jcamins | lol |
| 15:33 | kivilahtio: you have no idea. | |
| 15:33 | wizzyrea | you're hired. Now get to it. |
| 15:33 | * wizzyrea | gets the popcorn |
| 15:34 | * jcamins | gets the vodka for kivilahtio. |
| 15:34 | kivilahtio | :D |
| 15:34 | vodka to numb the pain | |
| 15:34 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 15:34 | kivilahtio | I have a feeling I someday took a look at it |
| 15:35 | I never went back there | |
| 15:35 | jcamins | Heh. That's the response of all intelligent individuals. |
| 15:35 | kivilahtio | but its time for me to go home |
| 15:35 | cheerios gents and mladies! | |
| 15:36 | jcamins | And maladies! (like Search.pm;) |
| 15:36 | asaurat | who's sick ?! |
| 15:36 | bye kivilahtio | |
| 15:38 | tcohen | someone said vodka? |
| 15:39 | * tcohen | is a big fan of that spirit |
| 15:40 | jcamins | All of our CDs and DVDs fit in one suitcase. |
| 15:41 | And it's not even that full yet. | |
| 15:41 | Pretty heavy, though. | |
| 15:42 | slef | morning #koha |
| 15:43 | * slef | returns to get sru working |
| 15:43 | jcamins | Hehe. "Guillotine: the revolutionary card game you win by getting a head" |
| 15:44 | asaurat | lol |
| 15:44 | I mean "mdr" | |
| 15:45 | I played this game I think | |
| 15:45 | not bad =) | |
| 15:46 | slef | @quote add <jcamins> Hehe. "Guillotine: the revolutionary card game you win by getting a head" <asaurat> lol <asaurat> I mean "mdr" |
| 15:46 | huginn | slef: The operation succeeded. Quote #190 added. |
| 15:46 | slef | @quote random |
| 15:46 | huginn | slef: Quote #97: "chris_n shakes his fist (again) in the direction of Redmond" (added by wizzyrea at 03:21 PM, October 08, 2010) |
| 15:57 | libsysguy | jcamins: I think i figured out what the issue was (no pun intended). She wants the next issue publication date changed so she can set a loosely defined date |
| 15:58 | and accout for combined issues etc | |
| 15:59 | jcamins | libsysguy: ah. Yeah, I hate combined issues. |
| 15:59 | libsysguy | yeah im not entirely sure how to handle that |
| 16:00 | wizzyrea | question - syndetics & librarything... the same thing? or different? |
| 16:00 | libsysguy | she said she would basically be happy is she could set a defined pattern from one year to the next |
| 16:04 | jcamins | wizzyrea: they're different services. |
| 16:04 | Syndetics provides covers and reviews, I think. | |
| 16:04 | wizzyrea | ltfl provides.... covers and reviews? |
| 16:04 | but they are different, but both run by bowker? | |
| 16:04 | jcamins | LTFL provides covers, reviews, and related items, I believe. |
| 16:04 | libsysguy | yes we use Syndetics |
| 16:04 | wizzyrea | this is why I am confused. |
| 16:04 | jcamins | Different APIs and data. |
| 16:05 | I believe. | |
| 16:05 | * wizzyrea | sighs |
| 16:05 | wizzyrea | so they do the same thing, in a different way, and are run by the same company |
| 16:05 | this makes *perfect* sense | |
| 16:07 | oleonard | Wait... Syndetics and LibraryThing are owned by the same people? |
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| 16:10 | schuster | but librarything has more user related info doesn't it? we use B&T for jackets a LOT cheaper not as cheap as Amazon or Google, but we're ok ... |
| 16:10 | jcamins | No, I think they're owned by different people. Just managed by the same company. |
| 16:12 | schuster | jcamins - where are we with the authority patch? |
| 16:12 | bug 7284 | |
| 16:12 | wahanui | rumour has it bug 7284 is the first step to making that happen |
| 16:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7284 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Authority matching algorithm improvements |
| 16:13 | jcamins | schuster: the decongestants are finally taking effect, so I'm sitting down to trace out the problem you reported. :) |
| 16:13 | schuster | OK then I will go back to work on the "enhancements" in command line scripts that I am trying to get packaged for submission... |
| 16:14 | jcamins | schuster: I should have a revised patch for you in about ten minutes. |
| 16:14 | Sorry it took so long... I've been incoherent all weekend. | |
| 16:14 | schuster | I won't be able to do anything with it until tonight so no rush. |
| 16:15 | jcamins | Okay. |
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| 16:17 | jcamins | Grr. marcelr isn't around. |
| 16:19 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:20 | * oleonard | tries to calm jcamins before he hulks out |
| 16:20 | * wizzyrea | goes for a refresh on the popcorn |
| 16:21 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I met someone who started a kettlecorn store in New York. |
| 16:21 | * jcamins | thinks that's very cool. |
| 16:24 | schuster | ooo kettlecorn is great! |
| 16:24 | wizzyrea | *nod* it is |
| 16:26 | jcamins | Yeah, she brought some to class once. |
| 16:27 | schuster: I sent you a PM when you get a chance. :) | |
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| 16:29 | wizzyrea | hm I wonder if it would be possible to show the patron notes onthe patron detail page as well as on the checkout page |
| 16:29 | also, we have 2 kinds of patron notes | |
| 16:29 | which I think is a bit confusing? | |
| 16:30 | there's the "messaging system" and then there is the standard edit patron -> opac/intranet note | |
| 16:30 | oleonard | Time to get rid of the "old" kind? |
| 16:30 | wizzyrea | well I don't know |
| 16:30 | what do you think? | |
| 16:30 | I'd kind of be "for" that | |
| 16:30 | * jcamins | votes for adding a third. |
| 16:30 | * wizzyrea | gives jcamins the eye |
| 16:32 | edveal | I need to hide a column in the holdingst but am having a hard time figuring it out. Can someone give me some hits? |
| 16:33 | hints? | |
| 16:33 | oleonard | edveal: In the OPAC? |
| 16:33 | edveal | Yes, they don't circulate items so they want the Due Date column hidden. |
| 16:33 | wizzyrea | jquery library |
| 16:33 | wahanui | jquery library is found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/JQuery_Library |
| 16:34 | edveal | Yes, I found something there that is close but can't get it to work. |
| 16:34 | wizzyrea | yea, I was thinking of one there |
| 16:34 | that is similar | |
| 16:34 | which one? | |
| 16:34 | wahanui | i think which one is it |
| 16:36 | edveal | I found "Remove the textual item type description from the OPAC holdings table" But it is not the same. I have tried changing it around to try to get it to work but because the column is multiple <tr> I can't get it to do anything but remove the text. |
| 16:36 | wizzyrea | k, sec |
| 16:37 | it's gonna be something like this | |
| 16:37 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_check_out_screen.2FPatron_Detail_page | |
| 16:37 | edveal | I have tried using to lines one for thead and one for tbody and that didn't work either. |
| 16:37 | oleonard | Try: $('#holdingst td:nth-child(6),#holdingst th:nth-child(6)').hide(); |
| 16:37 | wizzyrea | (different divs, of course) |
| 16:38 | edveal | Thanks oleonard that did it. |
| 16:50 | schuster | Question - I just registered a user on my "clean" test system and discovered it didn't ask for "First" name just other name. So how do I get that back? |
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| 16:50 | wizzyrea | it's in the sysprefs |
| 16:50 | under patrons, I think | |
| 16:51 | yea, BorrowerMandatoryField | |
| 16:51 | pipe separated | |
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| 16:56 | schuster | But when I register patrons First name doesn't show at all in the display so how will making it mandatory do me any good. |
| 16:57 | oleonard | Are you registering an institutional patron? |
| 16:58 | schuster | AH so Library - "Category" is an institution?... oleonard is a quick one! |
| 16:58 | wizzyrea | schuster, did you install the test patron categories? |
| 16:59 | schuster | Yes - There it is I changed it from "Library |
| 16:59 | " to Board member ... | |
| 16:59 | wizzyrea | Patron is probably a better one to test with |
| 17:02 | jcamins | Lunch time! |
| 17:09 | schuster | Oh glad to see the bug I just uncovered in my Live system is resolved in community! |
| 17:09 | Looking forward to the new features and software!!! | |
| 17:09 | wizzyrea | :) |
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| 17:10 | oleonard | Too bad we keep our bug fixes super secret |
| 17:11 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
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| 17:29 | Shane-S | quick question using the barcode layout and I want the location which is in a&b of an items 952, so I put 952a, it comes out empty, but title and itemcallnumber did come out. Anyone know what I can use to get location? |
| 17:30 | wizzyrea | there might be a special name for that, sec |
| 17:31 | I think you can try just | |
| 17:31 | location | |
| 17:31 | wahanui | location is the Landman Library, right? |
| 17:31 | wizzyrea | forget location |
| 17:31 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot location |
| 17:31 | Shane-S | lol, bot is funny, thank you |
| 17:32 | wizzyrea | yea, the bot is often funny |
| 17:32 | because we are often funny :) | |
| 17:32 | Shane-S: I'm not *sure* that location will work, but it is the name of the field in the db where the location is kept | |
| 17:32 | so it would seem to follow that it would work. | |
| 17:33 | *but I haven't tried it* | |
| 17:33 | Shane-S | location = blank, itemlocation maybe |
| 17:33 | let me try | |
| 17:33 | wizzyrea | hmm no |
| 17:33 | ping chris_n | |
| 17:34 | Shane-S | 952a = biblio not item I am guess that is why it came out blank? |
| 17:35 | wizzyrea | that's a bit fuzzy really - 952a is the marc field where koha keeps its item info |
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| 17:35 | wizzyrea | er 952 |
| 17:35 | is | |
| 17:35 | with all of it's subfields | |
| 17:35 | a isn't location though, is it? | |
| 17:35 | oh I guess it is, sorry | |
| 17:35 | Shane-S | on the item page the fields with location have a&b in bold in fromt of them, so it was a guess |
| 17:36 | there is nothing in the MARC/Biblio | |
| 17:36 | wizzyrea | chris_n would know for sure |
| 17:36 | if you can do that | |
| 17:36 | permanent_location maybe? | |
| 17:37 | the field in the db is simply "location" | |
| 17:39 | Shane-S | ill try it :) |
| 17:40 | wizzyrea | location worked for me |
| 17:40 | location = Shelving location | |
| 17:40 | is that what you're wanting | |
| 17:40 | Shane-S | um...one second... |
| 17:40 | wizzyrea | or location = home branch |
| 17:41 | or location = holding branch | |
| 17:41 | because 952a is "permanent_location" | |
| 17:41 | 952c is "shelving location" | |
| 17:41 | or just "location" in the db | |
| 17:41 | Shane-S | I want permanent |
| 17:41 | wizzyrea | you want the home branch then |
| 17:41 | Shane-S | or current |
| 17:41 | wizzyrea | so try |
| 17:42 | homebranch | |
| 17:42 | wahanui | i heard homebranch was $a, as I recall. |
| 17:42 | wizzyrea | or permanent_location |
| 17:42 | Shane-S | wahanui is a genius :) |
| 17:42 | wizzyrea | but try homebranch first :P |
| 17:42 | Shane-S | thanks wizzy, ill try homebranch |
| 17:43 | sekjal | Shane-S: are you looking for the building to which the item belongs, the building in which it is currently housed, or the shelf/room within the building where the item is? |
| 17:44 | * wizzyrea | didn't ask the first question |
| 17:44 | wizzyrea | the first question? |
| 17:44 | Shane-S | hokebranch worked...kinda |
| 17:44 | wahanui | i guess the first question is "What are you trying to do?" |
| 17:44 | wizzyrea | kinda? |
| 17:44 | Shane-S | I want its "ownership" location, which homebrand did...but in the code |
| 17:45 | wizzyrea | oh, you want the description? |
| 17:45 | Shane-S | NPSD I was hoping for the name NPSD has which is "National Park School" |
| 17:45 | * wizzyrea | is not sure that is possible. |
| 17:45 | wizzyrea | if you want that, file a bug on it |
| 17:45 | sekjal | Shane-S: I got in late, so I'm sure I missed a lot |
| 17:45 | wizzyrea | he wanted homebranch :) |
| 17:46 | sekjal | but are you looking for an SQL report, or something in the MARC? |
| 17:46 | wizzyrea | label creator |
| 17:46 | sekjal | oh |
| 17:46 | wizzyrea | wants to print the homebranch on the labels |
| 17:46 | the homebranch *description* | |
| 17:46 | Shane-S | I just wanted homebranch, and tried 952a versus keyword :P |
| 17:46 | wizzyrea | which I'm not sure is possible |
| 17:46 | Shane-S | Yeah, once it spit the code out...then I was like "darn" I need the "description" |
| 17:46 | sekjal | not at this time, no. though it would make a good enhancement to let users pick whether they want the code or the authorised value |
| 17:46 | wizzyrea | ^^ so file a bug |
| 17:47 | bugs? | |
| 17:47 | wahanui | bugs is, like, found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) |
| 17:47 | wizzyrea | bugs is also reporting them is helpful, too. |
| 17:47 | wahanui | okay, wizzyrea. |
| 17:47 | wizzyrea | bugs? |
| 17:47 | wahanui | i think bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too. |
| 17:47 | Shane-S | once I learn git I may help :P |
| 17:48 | wizzyrea | reporting it would be the first step. |
| 17:48 | ;) | |
| 17:48 | Shane-S | I am |
| 17:48 | wizzyrea | awesome |
| 17:49 | report it? | |
| 17:49 | wahanui | you can report wahanui's bugs at http://bugs.koha-community.org. It's nice to report them, it's great to fix them, and you'll make someone's day if you sign off on them. |
| 17:50 | wizzyrea | ! |
| 17:50 | * wizzyrea | giggles |
| 17:50 | wizzyrea | let's try that again. |
| 17:50 | report it | |
| 17:50 | wahanui | one can report wahanui's bugs at http://bugs.koha-community.org/. It's nice to report them, it's great to fix them, and you'll make someone's day if you sign off on them. |
| 17:50 | * wizzyrea | makes the marge simpson noise |
| 17:51 | maximep | making someone's day sounds good |
| 17:52 | wizzyrea | report it? |
| 17:52 | wahanui | one can report bugs at http://bugs.koha-community.org/. It's nice to report them, it's great to fix them, and you'll make someone's day if you sign off on them. |
| 17:52 | wizzyrea | there we go. |
| 17:54 | Shane-S | bug 7615 |
| 17:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7615 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , homebranch |
| 17:54 | Shane-S | I will check my MYSQL DB and append the SQL statement if I can figure it out :P |
| 17:55 | I used to be proficient with mysql back in the day I wrote my own CMS (16yrs old...now 30) been awhile :D | |
| 17:55 | no wait..18 | |
| 17:55 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 17:56 | fwiw, | |
| 17:57 | the descriptions are held in the table "branches" | |
| 17:57 | schema/ | |
| 17:57 | schema? | |
| 17:57 | wahanui | rumour has it schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org |
| 17:58 | wizzyrea | branches.branchname, to be exact. |
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| 17:58 | wizzyrea | if that puts you on the right track. ;) |
| 17:59 | Shane-S | that helps thanks :) |
| 17:59 | are the packages updated from the master or current release only? | |
| 17:59 | wizzyrea | stable release. You have to roll your own if you want packages based on master. |
| 18:00 | jcamins_away | Are you sure? I thought eythian was doing packages off of Master as well. |
| 18:00 | * jcamins_away | rolls his own either way. |
| 18:01 | wizzyrea | I had only observed the stable ones |
| 18:01 | but I could be wrong. I'm wrong a lot. | |
| 18:01 | jcamins_away | There's a version from February 13. |
| 18:01 | (based on master) | |
| 18:02 | Shane-S: but if you're doing development, use git. | |
| 18:02 | wizzyrea | well there you have it |
| 18:02 | jcamins | @quote search git |
| 18:02 | huginn | jcamins: 6 found: #120: "<sekjal> I think time is less like a continuum,...", #129: "jcamins: take to heart the old saying- 'don't...", #139: "library_systems_guy: I guess I could put (git-...", #153: "<rangi> merging code in git doesn't make me...", #186: "trea: git-fu --tiger style /whooosh", and #25: "<wizzyrea> ha, in #koha we don't pick each..." |
| 18:02 | jcamins | @quote get 129 |
| 18:02 | huginn | jcamins: Quote #129: "jcamins: take to heart the old saying- 'don't be a git, use git." (added by wizzyrea at 07:01 PM, April 27, 2011) |
| 18:02 | jcamins | This is very relevant. |
| 18:02 | Shane-S | yeah I am making a VMmachine @ to do a git based install so I can easily edit the files |
| 18:03 | my laptop here doesn't have half the drivers and was just for testing, so I am just figuring out how to make it work for us | |
| 18:03 | @ -> @home | |
| 18:03 | huginn | Shane-S: downloading the Perl source |
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| 18:33 | wizzyrea | oleonard, about? |
| 18:37 | also, loving the way you did search to hold. Really brilliant | |
| 18:37 | every time I use it i'm so thankful. | |
| 18:40 | * oleonard | is here now |
| 18:40 | wizzyrea | i was just putzing about in cataloging, I imagine that catalogers get annoyed that they have to tab through all of those links |
| 18:41 | oleonard | addbiblio.pl? |
| 18:41 | wahanui | addbiblio.pl is a tangled mess, and every time we touch it we break something. |
| 18:41 | wizzyrea | fair enough :) |
| 18:41 | (but yes, that's what I was looking at) | |
| 18:47 | oleonard | I can't imagine what a solution might be. Changing tabindex would be a nightmare |
| 18:49 | jcamins | A new cataloging interface, probably. |
| 18:49 | Shane-S | does Koha use PHP anywhere? |
| 18:49 | oleonard | No, slef forbid |
| 18:50 | jcamins | lol |
| 18:50 | Shane-S | I suck at perl...only got anywhere with php (maybe a good decision to keep rookies like me out of the code) :) |
| 18:52 | oleonard | Shane-S: You'll find places where your PHP knowledge will give you enough to go on to puzzle stuff out |
| 18:52 | * oleonard | is better at PHP too, but manages to get small stuff done |
| 18:56 | wizzyrea | just don't go rewriting search.pm and you'll be fine. |
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| 18:57 | Shane-S | oh so I was on LibLime and notice version 4...I thought LibLime Koha and Koha-community were close in version |
| 18:58 | or is it just a marketing number | |
| 18:58 | jcamins | Shane-S: no, LibLime's software is very different. |
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| 18:58 | wizzyrea | they version like firefox does, or something. |
| 18:58 | jcamins | They made up a new versioning scheme after they forked off of 3.0. |
| 18:58 | oleonard | Liblime Koha is based on an older version of Koha, but with a higher version number. |
| 18:58 | So yeah, marketing. | |
| 18:59 | jcamins | Or 3.1. |
| 18:59 | Shane-S | Ah, do they contribute to the community at all? |
| 18:59 | oleonard | Not at all anymore. |
| 19:00 | wizzyrea | not in the last couple of years. Occasionally you'll see someone answer a question here or on the list, but that hasn't happened in a while. |
| 19:00 | it's not the same software, it would be hard for them | |
| 19:00 | to participate. | |
| 19:00 | jcamins | PTFS Europe contributes, but they're a different company that shares a name with PTFS, apparently. |
| 19:00 | oleonard | Plus it's counter to their goal of promoting their version to the exclusion of Koha |
| 19:01 | wizzyrea | that too. |
| 19:14 | Shane-S | man I can not figure out label-edit-layout.pl trying to figure out where the user-input fields like "branchcode" are processed so I can find the variables and query to the DB...so I can contribute code to my bug |
| 19:14 | wizzyrea | you probably want to look in C4/Labels |
| 19:14 | (just a guess) | |
| 19:15 | jcamins | Or C4/Labels/Something |
| 19:15 | wizzyrea | C4/Labels/Layout.pm |
| 19:15 | possibly | |
| 19:16 | Shane-S | ah okay I will have a look |
| 19:16 | oleonard | Shane-S: The path I take is often: 1) Identify the variable name in the template 2) Search for the variable name in the .pl file 3) Find the subroutine which is creating the data in the variable 4) Examine the subroutine in the .pm file to find out where the information came from |
| 19:17 | wizzyrea | wow layout.pm is uh, pretty succinct. |
| 19:17 | jcamins | Whoah. |
| 19:17 | wizzyrea | Label.pm may be what you're looking for |
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| 19:18 | * wizzyrea | is amazed by chris_n sometimes |
| 19:18 | jcamins | Whoah. |
| 19:18 | Labels.pm is *more* succinct. | |
| 19:18 | * chris_n | perks up |
| 19:18 | wizzyrea | we were looking at the label creator ;) |
| 19:19 | jcamins | Yeah, probably C4::Labels::Label. |
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| 19:19 | wizzyrea | Shane-S would like to have the branchname available in addition to the branchcode |
| 19:19 | which seems reasonable. | |
| 19:19 | Shane-S | yeah...haven't opened it yet, have to find the one that takes the usercode, related to the database fields, and see if I can add in a "new" code and add some SQL |
| 19:20 | chris_n | 952a give the branch code |
| 19:20 | oh | |
| 19:20 | hmm | |
| 19:20 | I'd have to look | |
| 19:20 | wizzyrea | actually 952a didn't - homebranch did though |
| 19:20 | chris_n | its been a looong time since I looked at labels |
| 19:20 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 19:20 | chris_n | 952a works here for branchcode |
| 19:20 | wizzyrea | weird! |
| 19:21 | chris_n | so maybe it's broken beyond 3.2.x |
| 19:21 | patric | Hey all, I'm having a horrendous time with duplicate records ... reimported, with a barcodes, could've sworn I unimported the old ones first, had dupes, unimported the new stuff, and am now wishing for a wipe out the old one's button, since a clean button isn't showing up, feel free to advise, but for the next few minutes I'm going to read the docs on ... |
| 19:21 | * wizzyrea | will check, I took Shane-S at his word. |
| 19:21 | patric | ... "replace when " |
| 19:21 | Shane-S | I swear I typed 952a, :) |
| 19:21 | I will double check now | |
| 19:22 | chris_n | C4::Labels::Label does the grunt work of label creation |
| 19:22 | Shane-S | chris_n: I will do my best...but I can just do php/mysql and very basic at that :( |
| 19:22 | chris_n | its an attempt at OO style |
| 19:23 | wizzyrea | yea 952a doesn't seem to work for me |
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| 19:24 | wizzyrea | homebranch definitely does though |
| 19:24 | Shane-S | yeah same here (I installed from packages though) |
| 19:24 | jcamins | Maybe because it's not in biblioitems anymore? |
| 19:24 | wizzyrea | ^^^^^^^^^ |
| 19:24 | this | |
| 19:24 | yes, that's exactly why. | |
| 19:24 | good call. | |
| 19:24 | jcamins | Ooh, headache came back. |
| 19:24 | Shane-S | I did homebranch,952a,title,itemcallnumber and all worked less 952a |
| 19:25 | wizzyrea | go lie down |
| 19:25 | * jcamins | bangs his head against the desk in an effort to equalize the pressure inside and outside his head. |
| 19:25 | * wizzyrea | cringes |
| 19:25 | Shane-S | jcamins tried a drill? back in ancient times they use to bore holes for that :D |
| 19:25 | * chris_n | hands jcamins lots of motrin/tylenol and caffien |
| 19:26 | chris_n | caffine even |
| 19:26 | jcamins | caffeine? |
| 19:26 | :) | |
| 19:26 | chris_n | lol |
| 19:26 | but yes, labels was never brought up to speed when items were removed from bibs | |
| 19:27 | * chris_n | cringes |
| 19:27 | Shane-S | <-- is clueless to that, just started using Koha |
| 19:29 | chris_n | in short, labels will work, but some fields will not be available as advertised |
| 19:30 | Shane-S | chris_n where does it take the table structure names and extract them, ie. title, itemcallnumber, etc. is that in Labels.pm |
| 19:30 | Label* | |
| 19:33 | chris_n | it happens in the draw_label_text method of C4::Labels::Label iirc |
| 19:37 | the exact SQL used for retrieval is at line 81 | |
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| 19:38 | chris_n | probably if that is fixed life would be good again in label land |
| 19:45 | wizzyrea | ...linus uses a macbook air. |
| 19:45 | Shane-S | hmm let me try modifying that :P |
| 19:45 | wizzyrea | this seems all kinds of wrong to me. |
| 19:45 | my illusions, they burn. | |
| 19:45 | Shane-S | I am on a MacBook Pro why is an Air an issue? |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | don't get me wrong, macs are lovely. |
| 19:46 | Shane-S | what are you one? |
| 19:46 | jcamins | wizzyrea uses a Mac. :) |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | i'm using a mac right now ;) |
| 19:46 | jcamins | As do I. |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | but! it's *linus torvalds* |
| 19:47 | oleonard | http://computerworld.co.nz/new[…]k-battle-heats-up |
| 19:47 | wizzyrea | i expected... dunno, more open source open hardware open-etc from him I guess. |
| 19:47 | Shane-S | <--loved PCs until he became a build IT admin and finds it annoying that a Mac can have apps "dropped" to them but with M$ you have to use a GPU get or make an MSI and WAIT at login/startup |
| 19:47 | OSX is built on Unix though :D | |
| 19:49 | patric | OSX is unix these days, one of the very few certified |
| 19:49 | oleonard | "Computerworld has not yet found a spokesperson for PTFS/Liblime to give its side of the story." Typical. |
| 19:49 | * wizzyrea | uses ubuntu at home now |
| 19:49 | * oleonard | wonders if Computerworld checked for comments on library-related blogs for official PTFS statements |
| 19:49 | wizzyrea | and I actually think I like it better than osx |
| 19:49 | hah. | |
| 19:50 | jcamins | oleonard: have there been any interesting comments recently? |
| 19:50 | oleonard | Not that I'm aware of |
| 19:50 | patric | My starcraft box runs pc-bsd, which is very nice for perfomance, but I still love my macs |
| 19:51 | * wizzyrea | is totally aware that osx is unix. It's why I started using it in the first place. |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | but it's not open. |
| 19:51 | jcamins | patric: you have a Starcraft box? Now that is dedication! |
| 19:52 | PC-BSD? Wow. It's been a long time since I heard about PC-BSD. | |
| 19:53 | slef | Box Shifters Direct! |
| 19:54 | jcamins | I didn't realize it was still active. I heard a bunch about it in 2006, and then it just fell off my radar. |
| 19:59 | Shane-S | okay I changed line 81...gonna try it *prays he did not break it* |
| 19:59 | jcamins | Shane-S: well, if you did, you can use git to go back to the way it was prior to your change easily. :) |
| 20:00 | Shane-S | I am a backup of the original...hmm it didn't work...didn't break...but using branchname didn't do anything |
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| 20:01 | Shane-S | I just added the branches table to the MYSQL |
| 20:01 | wizzyrea | Shane-S: that's probably because you'd have to join items on branches |
| 20:01 | Shane-S | I did :P |
| 20:02 | have to copy the code to MYSQL and see what it does :P | |
| 20:03 | patric | BSD, you know that little group that brought us tcp/ip |
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| 20:03 | patric | It's not so much dedicated and occupied |
| 20:04 | Shane-S | hmm worked in MYSQL...so it is joined...I can see the data...perhaps wrong name...checking schema |
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| 20:08 | Shane-S | must be more to it... |
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| 20:15 | Shane-S | pastebin.com/ccJMk89G |
| 20:17 | That is line 81 of C4/Labels/Label.pm it works if I take the SQL and put it in MySQL command line replacing the ? with 25317 (itemnumber of one of my books) | |
| 20:18 | However, using branchname in the label layout isn't working :( | |
| 20:23 | That is about as far as I can take it, should I append that to my bug? | |
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| 20:27 | Space_Librarian | morning all from chilly Wellington |
| 20:29 | Shane-S | I added a comment to the bug, hopefully I can figure it out or someone can comment further on it |
| 20:29 | wizzyrea | morning Space_Librarian |
| 20:30 | Space_Librarian | morning wizzyrea |
| 20:31 | eythian_bucklame | hi |
| 20:31 | wahanui | hello, eythian_bucklame |
| 20:32 | Space_Librarian | hey eythian_bucklame - how's Aucks? |
| 20:38 | eythian_bucklame | it's still here. alas. |
| 20:39 | Space_Librarian | Oh woe indeed. |
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| 20:46 | jcamins | Wow. That was really weird. |
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| 20:46 | wizzyrea | ? |
| 20:46 | jcamins | I called the power company to set up service, and it was painless! |
| 20:46 | wizzyrea | we can do it online here |
| 20:46 | which is nice | |
| 20:46 | eythian_bucklame | jcamins: just wait |
| 20:47 | jcamins | When was the last time you called a utility company and were not driven to drink? |
| 20:47 | eythian_bucklame | they're lulling you into a false sense of security |
| 20:47 | Space_Librarian | there's always a catch |
| 20:47 | * wizzyrea | has never called. I do it all online. |
| 20:47 | eythian_bucklame | Oh, I just start drinking before I call them. Softens the blow that way |
| 20:47 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I think I could've done it online if I'd ever had an account with them before. |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | even outage reports (from my phone) |
| 20:47 | Space_Librarian | eythian_bucklame: agreed |
| 20:48 | wizzyrea | the most I have to complain about them is that the guy who does their twitter is a bit of a knob. |
| 20:52 | jcamins | wizzyrea: hehe. |
| 21:01 | Shane-S | just a thought does Koha cache files in memory, like the /usr/share/lib files? |
| 21:02 | wizzyrea | it can use memcached |
| 21:02 | Shane-S | I made a change, but have seen no effect, and thus it occured to me maybe I should restart apache or the whole systme |
| 21:02 | eythian_bucklame | Shane-S: no, it doesn't. |
| 21:02 | flush your browser cache | |
| 21:02 | that's often the issue | |
| 21:02 | wizzyrea | no, not like that. |
| 21:02 | jcamins | What did you change? |
| 21:03 | * Shane-S | beats head on desk |
| 21:03 | wizzyrea | i think he's looking at labels.pm |
| 21:03 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 21:03 | wizzyrea | did it work? |
| 21:03 | >.> | |
| 21:03 | Shane-S | I am, in MySQL perfectly |
| 21:03 | but in the code, it hasn't broken anything...but branchname isn't coming out | |
| 21:03 | wizzyrea | oh, I htought maybe you were facedesking because you flushed the cache and now it works. |
| 21:04 | Shane-S | no...that can't be cached, as it generates a PDF |
| 21:05 | I will try another browser after my system restarts...Im doing it just to make sure... | |
| 21:05 | if it works in mysql, and that line is what fetches all the table data and lets you use database table field name...it should work | |
| 21:06 | eythian_bucklame | I like to chuck some debug code in mine to make sure my changes are being picked up, or introduce an error for a one-off check. |
| 21:08 | Shane-S | I am thinking it might be table position...perhaps after the biblio info it drops the fields |
| 21:08 | perhaps if I move the order that table is merged in... | |
| 21:10 | * oleonard | wonders why he would think he could work on tags code so soon before time to leave |
| 21:10 | unsquints his eyes and waves bye to #koha | |
| 21:11 | wizzyrea | byee |
| 21:11 | Shane-S | bye |
| 21:11 | jcamins | Shane-S: I'd recommend using debug code. |
| 21:12 | Shane-S | <-- does not know how to get a message out using Perl...only PHP and this portion is OO...so I am even more lost |
| 21:12 | eythian_bucklame | Shane-S: print "this is my message!\n"; |
| 21:13 | Shane-S | where will it go, HTML head? |
| 21:13 | eythian_bucklame | it'll show up in the apache logs |
| 21:13 | Shane-S | ah okay |
| 21:13 | eythian_bucklame | actually, perhaps do 'print STDERR "this is a message\n";' which I know will show in the error log. |
| 21:13 | I forget where stdout goes | |
| 21:13 | some log somewhere I think | |
| 21:13 | probably still error... | |
| 21:15 | jcamins | stdout goes to the browser. |
| 21:15 | It'll break your HTTP headers. | |
| 21:15 | Shane-S | is . or + used to concatinate variables and strings? |
| 21:16 | so like "Shane's Error" + $sth | |
| 21:16 | eythian_bucklame | Shane-S: '.'; |
| 21:17 | -; | |
| 21:17 | so "something: ".$val | |
| 21:17 | Shane-S | ah okay like php :P |
| 21:17 | eythian_bucklame | no, php is like perl, not the other way around ;) |
| 21:22 | Shane-S | okay its way beyond me...gave me DBI::st=HASH(0x9ff49d8) after $sth->execute($item_number); which is the line after the MYSQL I changed |
| 21:22 | jcamins | Shane-S: that's because you printed out the statement handle. |
| 21:22 | bag | @seen rangi |
| 21:22 | huginn | bag: rangi was last seen in #koha 4 days, 1 hour, 10 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <rangi> bbl |
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| 21:23 | bag | @wunder 93109 |
| 21:23 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 15.3°C (1:22 PM PST on February 28, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021.2 hPa (Falling). |
| 21:24 | Shane-S | $sth= $dbh->prepare(MYSQL Here), was the line i made the SQL change to, but I have no idea what is going on with the sth stuff :( |
| 21:25 | oh well...time to leave...gotta let me dog out, can't be at work all day :P | |
| 21:28 | eythian_bucklame | sth is a statement handle |
| 21:28 | it's an object that does stuff with the prepared statement, you can't really just print it out. | |
| 21:29 | wizzyrea | could probably print $data tho |
| 21:29 | jcamins | schuster: around? |
| 21:31 | schuster | here |
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| 21:59 | wizzyrea | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEpsKnWZrJ8 |
| 21:59 | basic gist: distance light can go in a nanosecond = 11ish inches | |
| 22:00 | distance light can go in a microsecond = 900some feet | |
| 22:00 | so, don't waste your microseconds. | |
| 22:01 | libsysguy | LOL |
| 22:01 | i love that | |
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| 22:14 | * wizzyrea | hates bug 6645 |
| 22:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6645 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , attaching items loses hold |
| 22:15 | wizzyrea | no matter how many times you tell people how holds get this way, they never get it |
| 22:16 | eternalsword | so I cloned from git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git, created a repo on github with a couple of branches. origin now points to github. I added a remote called upstream for git://git.koha-community.org/koha.git. I am now pulling updates from upstream master. git pull upstream master merges with conflicts. Why are there conflicts as I made no changes from upstream. shouldn't the merge apply cleanly? |
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| 22:18 | Shane-S | I am @ home trying this git thing, can I make a working version from it as well? I just did git clone |
| 22:19 | Also since I am running 3.6 at work, how would I go about modifying or checking out for that version? | |
| 22:20 | wizzyrea | sure you can, it's a bit of a different process though |
| 22:20 | version control using git? | |
| 22:20 | wahanui | somebody said version control using git was at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 22:20 | wizzyrea | really most every question is answered there |
| 22:21 | eternalsword: I'm not sure exactly what your issue is | |
| 22:21 | but you might try a git fetch && git rebase origin | |
| 22:21 | I've had better luck with it than "git pull" | |
| 22:21 | pull = merge, rebase, well, rebases. | |
| 22:22 | eternalsword | I've tried git pull --rebase upstream master and it freezes. I'll see if running the separate commands makes a difference. |
| 22:23 | Shane-S | wizzyrea: I am on that wiki, and I am down to the checkout section...and I am not sure what I should contribute/use any suggestions as I don't have a "production" system in place yet? |
| 22:23 | eythian_bucklame | I don't think it's freezing. |
| 22:23 | I think it's taking a long time because what you have is perhaps a hugely different branch, or something like that | |
| 22:23 | wizzyrea | you mean "doing work on koha" |
| 22:24 | don't worry about the terminology of production | |
| 22:24 | eternalsword | eythian_bucklame my master has no changes from upstream, so that shouldn't be the issue |
| 22:24 | Shane-S | wizzyrea: no no...I mean the system at work is for testing...so I am not "locked" to a version I am using yet |
| 22:24 | eythian_bucklame | if that were the case, then you wouldn't be seeing conflicts |
| 22:24 | eternalsword | thus my confusion |
| 22:25 | eythian_bucklame | I'd do a got log and see how it compares to git log upstream/master |
| 22:25 | wizzyrea | is this the branch with your changes for f1? |
| 22:25 | eythian_bucklame | *git |
| 22:25 | eternalsword | I keep the master branch the same as upstream. I do all my work on different branches, even when pushing to github. |
| 22:26 | * wizzyrea | is not sure |
| 22:26 | eythian_bucklame | that's the best way to do it. |
| 22:27 | Shane-S | wizzyrea: like the label and OPAC results changes I would like to contribute those, but I am not sure if I should do that on the master, or should I use a branch? |
| 22:27 | eythian_bucklame | always use a branch |
| 22:27 | but, base that branch of master | |
| 22:27 | *off | |
| 22:28 | Shane-S | that just confused me more :) |
| 22:28 | eythian_bucklame | I never ever modify master on any of my repos |
| 22:28 | Shane-S | I have no clue how this git stuff works |
| 22:28 | and the wiki is kinda assuming I know WTF git is/does and how it basically works | |
| 22:28 | eythian_bucklame | git checkout upstream/master -B bug1234-fix-the-widget |
| 22:28 | Shane-S | I know how to use a text edit, backup files, and make changes...that is it |
| 22:28 | eythian_bucklame | creates a new branch from master |
| 22:29 | git is easy in essence, but it takes a lot of messing around and being confused before you really get what's going on :) | |
| 22:29 | magnuse | ooh, that sounds like a quote :-) |
| 22:29 | Shane-S | okay this is going to take more then an hour huh :P |
| 22:29 | eythian_bucklame | it's easier to think of in terms of tree theory, if that's your thing :) |
| 22:30 | Shane-S | tree theory...I think I am gonna leave...and find a new career..I know none of this |
| 22:30 | eythian_bucklame | haha |
| 22:31 | my suggestion is to learn that git reset is your friend, and git reflog can give you the information to recover from almost any screwup. | |
| 22:31 | wizzyrea | @quote add Eythian: git is easy in essence, but it takes a lot of messing around and being confused before you really get what's going on :) |
| 22:31 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #191 added. |
| 22:31 | magnuse | thanks wizzyrea |
| 22:31 | wizzyrea | lol, I hadn't seen your statement |
| 22:32 | I read it and was like "quote add!" | |
| 22:32 | Shane-S | I can setup a windows server, install AD/DHCP/DNS/File Share, install a webserver on Ubunut (wait it does that for me now) make a site in HTML/PHP/MySQL that is about it though :D |
| 22:32 | magnuse | great minds... :-) |
| 22:32 | eythian_bucklame | well, if you're writing stuff in php, you're using version control, right? |
| 22:32 | wizzyrea | Shane-S: every. single. one. of. us. started out where you are |
| 22:32 | (with git) | |
| 22:32 | which is "OMGWTFBBQ" | |
| 22:33 | <run around screaming> | |
| 22:33 | magnuse | agrees with wizzyrea |
| 22:33 | wizzyrea | "it gets better" |
| 22:33 | Shane-S | eythian_bucklame: NO...I have a file, I back it up with .old instead of .php and make changes :D |
| 22:33 | * wizzyrea | used to do that |
| 22:33 | wizzyrea | now I use git |
| 22:33 | eythian_bucklame | Shane-S: hmm. You should learn git for your own sake then :) |
| 22:33 | wizzyrea | and I am happy. |
| 22:33 | * Space_Librarian | ponders the magic 8-ball to answer these questions... |
| 22:33 | eternalsword | stupid me. I forgot to run git fetch upstream after adding it as a remote |
| 22:33 | * magnuse | didn't evenb used to do that |
| 22:34 | * wizzyrea | suspects magnuse spent a lot of time screaming. |
| 22:34 | Shane-S | <-- is very guilty of live updates...hits save...then edit undo = broken...and cries |
| 22:34 | magnuse | well, a little |
| 22:34 | * Space_Librarian | agrees with wizzyrea |
| 22:34 | eythian_bucklame | watching a friend of mine do 'cc -o program.c program.c' made me start commiting to version control regularly |
| 22:34 | eternalsword | lol |
| 22:35 | magnuse | i assume that would overwrite the source code with the compiled program or something? |
| 22:35 | eythian_bucklame | magnuse: yeah |
| 22:35 | eternalsword | at least in that case, a decompiler should work. |
| 22:35 | eythian_bucklame | not really, decompilers aren't all that great. |
| 22:35 | especially for a university assignment, and an all-nighter of work :) | |
| 22:36 | magnuse | ouch |
| 22:36 | Shane-S | what does upstream do? |
| 22:36 | eythian_bucklame | (it's also a lesson to use makefiles) |
| 22:36 | Shane-S | its not on the wiki |
| 22:36 | in an example | |
| 22:36 | wizzyrea | "upstream" is the main repo, or git.koha-community.org |
| 22:37 | if the koha git were a river, your local clone is like a tributary | |
| 22:37 | * magnuse | has make on his list of things to learn |
| 22:37 | Shane-S | where are the birds and bees...we have water and trees ;P |
| 22:37 | * wizzyrea | goes for rivers, since trees aren't your thing |
| 22:37 | eythian_bucklame | Shane-S: your git repo can point to a number of others. e.g. at catalyst we have our internal one (which I call origin) and the public one (which I call kc.) If I do git checkout kc/master, I have the upstream master. |
| 22:37 | The names can be anything you like though, e.g. "upstream" | |
| 22:38 | * Shane-S | just issues the dman command and see's what happens :P |
| 22:38 | wizzyrea | worst case? re-clone |
| 22:38 | i mean, I think I have messed up at least 15 koha clones | |
| 22:39 | with bad git maneuvering | |
| 22:39 | eternalsword | That's why I don't pull upstream until origin has been pushed. |
| 22:40 | wizzyrea | (these days I could probably get myself out of it, but a year ago? yea not so much.) |
| 22:41 | Shane-S | ...which can not be resolved as commit..... any help |
| 22:41 | for upstream/master | |
| 22:42 | git checkout upstream/master -b my-koha what I issued | |
| 22:42 | eythian_bucklame | Shane-S: do you have a remote repo that you called "upstream" |
| 22:42 | ? | |
| 22:42 | wizzyrea | I think you want git checkout -b my-koha origin |
| 22:43 | that will check out a new branch called my-koha based on origin | |
| 22:43 | magnuse | g'night #koha |
| 22:43 | wizzyrea | gnite magnuse |
| 22:43 | whoa, I just realized we haven't heard a thing from kf/cait today | |
| 22:43 | eythian_bucklame | the order isn't importent |
| 22:43 | * wizzyrea | wonders where she is |
| 22:43 | is a creature of habit | |
| 22:43 | Shane-S | wizzyrea: worked |
| 22:43 | eythian_bucklame | but I always include the branch name, to make it a little less magic |
| 22:44 | Shane-S | says Switched to a new branch 'my-koha' |
| 22:44 | wizzyrea | ++ win! |
| 22:44 | eythian_bucklame | wizzyrea: does that base off master? |
| 22:44 | Shane-S | so how do I mod stuff? normal text editor? |
| 22:44 | eythian_bucklame | because there probably isn't a branch named 'origin' |
| 22:44 | wizzyrea | yup |
| 22:44 | eythian_bucklame | I'd always say 'origin/master' then |
| 22:45 | oh hey, 'git remote -v' is useful | |
| 22:45 | Shane-S: yeah, normal text editor | |
| 22:45 | eternalsword | that's weird, the commit hash is different for the commit made Fri Feb 17 15:03:52 2012 +0100 between my master and upstream/master. How is that possible? |
| 22:45 | wizzyrea | view remotes right? |
| 22:45 | Shane-S | there are some git gui's should I use those? |
| 22:45 | wizzyrea | I never have used them. |
| 22:45 | Shane-S | can I don't know the command line at all |
| 22:45 | eythian_bucklame | Shane-S: not until you understand it from the command line :) |
| 22:46 | eternalsword: if you applied it with a rebase, that might happen, maybe. | |
| 22:46 | eternalsword: or if any part of its history is different | |
| 22:46 | Shane-S | can I at least use a gui editor...I hate vim and pine, and I like pico but its ctrl key crap sucks |
| 22:47 | eythian_bucklame | you can use any editor |
| 22:47 | wizzyrea | yup, any editor will work |
| 22:48 | * wizzyrea | always appreciates eythian's git-fu |
| 22:51 | Shane-S | so where do I edit my "branch"? |
| 22:52 | does it make a folder or something? | |
| 22:52 | eythian_bucklame | Shane-S: you edit it in place |
| 22:52 | git knows that you've changed things, so if you run 'git status' it'll tell you | |
| 22:52 | Shane-S | so in the kohaclone folder |
| 22:52 | eythian_bucklame | yep |
| 22:52 | Shane-S | oh okay |
| 22:53 | and since I have all the files I take it I can build a working koha from there? (I have a document printed and remember seeing "git" in there | |
| 22:53 | wizzyrea | yea, it's in install.(os) |
| 22:54 | Shane-S | okay have to try that another night :P |
| 22:54 | GF wants me there now for dinner...blowing up my phone :D | |
| 22:54 | Guess I should have said 7 not 6 for pizza | |
| 22:55 | thanks guys/gals...hopefully I will get there to help contribute. | |
| 22:55 | eythian_bucklame | I actually just run from the git directory, with some apache config to make it work |
| 22:55 | that way I can edit and hit refresh and see it straight away | |
| 22:55 | * wizzyrea | too |
| 22:55 | * Shane-S | would like to do that as well...I might need help |
| 22:55 | Shane-S | as this system will be my "code" system |
| 22:56 | Its running in a Virtual Box VM | |
| 22:56 | wizzyrea | :) we're always around. Well, some one is |
| 22:56 | Shane-S | I onyl have 12Gb of ram in my computer so I should be fine giving it 2Gb ;) |
| 22:56 | wizzyrea | uhyea |
| 22:56 | you'll be fine :P | |
| 22:57 | Shane-S | bye until tomorrow @ work...I am determined to get branchname working |
| 22:57 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 22:57 | Shane-S | freaking works in MySQL...so somewhere is all this OO stuff it gets lost or broken |
| 23:01 | eternalsword | okay, so I'm getting diffs of my current work and repatching in fresh clone from upstream. If it works, I'll overwrite my github repo with that. I remember I did do some history modifications cause I added a file to github that I didn't want public. Didn't realize that would change the hashes on the master branch too. |
| 23:03 | shouldn't have used --all. lesson learned. | |
| 23:05 | eythian_bucklame | never use commit --all :) |
| 23:05 | (for exactly that reason) | |
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