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| 00:19 | drojf | woohoo! |
| 00:21 | rangi | http://library-matters.blogspo[…]ha-trademark.html |
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| 00:28 | * drojf | can't believe ptfs is continuing with that bullshit :( |
| 00:43 | rangi | yeah its pretty lame |
| 00:44 | drojf | didn't they say something like "we just inherited that claim and we won't continue" or did i dream that? |
| 00:49 | rangi | they did say that |
| 00:49 | they said lots of things | |
| 00:49 | like we dont have a fork | |
| 00:49 | and we participate in teh community | |
| 00:55 | drojf | they are pretty trustworthy |
| 00:57 | Space_Librarian | :) |
| 01:05 | * drojf | eliminated a huge problem for our data import and not even ptfs will ruin my mood |
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| 01:12 | Space_Librarian | eythian ++ for a great explanation. |
| 01:12 | eythian | cool :) |
| 01:13 | pgriffith | We're looking for solid, inexpensive software for our fledgling Church library. I've found "Koha" via a search, but so far it seems quite difficult to get going. We're using a Windows 7 PC, nothing noteworthy about the hardware, I've downloaded the latest Koha software, but am stymied by: Linux (must I use it? If so, I probably should drop out right now...) |
| 01:13 | Apache (where, exactly, do I get the right package), MySQL and Perl (haven't gotten far enough yet on these to know what to ask). | |
| 01:14 | eythian | pgriffith: Koha is a server-based application, designed to be used from other computers through a webbrowser. Servers tend to run Linux, so Koha runs on Linux. |
| 01:14 | rangi | you can run it in a vm (under vmware for example) |
| 01:14 | eythian | The computer used to access it can run anything you like however, so long as it has a web browser. |
| 01:15 | mtj | drojf: many of liblime's *clients* can't believe ptfs is continuing with that bullshit , too ;P |
| 01:15 | pgriffith | I found a YouTube Link which seems to detail installation on a Windows machine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou7WgoeSmOc |
| 01:15 | mtj | according to this -> http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]erceptions2011.pl |
| 01:16 | eythian | pgriffith: that's koha version 2.2.8 |
| 01:16 | it's very old. | |
| 01:16 | like, 3 or 4 years old | |
| 01:16 | rangi | i think 5 or 6 |
| 01:16 | 3.0 was 2008 | |
| 01:16 | eythian | ah right. very, very old then. |
| 01:17 | pgriffith | eythian: Thanks for the quick explanation. Is it not possible to set this up on a Windows machine, access it from the same machine, as well as eventually add access to "the outside"? |
| 01:18 | eythian | It is, you could install Linux inside a virtual machine. |
| 01:18 | drojf | mtj: a solid last place for satisfaction with the company. well earned i would say |
| 01:18 | eythian | And Koha on that. |
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| 01:21 | pgriffith | rangi: Do you mean "VMware Server"? |
| 01:21 | rangi | possibly |
| 01:22 | mtj | pgriffith: for the win, there's been a mighty *43* releases - since Koha 2.x ! :) |
| 01:22 | masonxen1:~/g/head$ git tag|grep 'v3'|wc -l |
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| 01:22 | pgriffith | OK, I see a "Free Copy" download for VMware Server. After that, how do I locate the correct versions of Apache, MySQL and Perl? Is there info on the Koha site? Couldn't find it... |
| 01:23 | mtj | 43 |
| 01:23 | eythian | pgriffith: where do you see that? |
| 01:24 | oh | |
| 01:24 | wait | |
| 01:24 | I misread | |
| 01:24 | pgriffith | (The Koha version I downloaded is called 3.06.03) |
| 01:24 | drojf | pgriffith: if you install debian gnu/linux in your virtual machine and use the koha debian packages, you will get everything else automatically. but you need the operating system first |
| 01:24 | eythian | Keep in mind, if you don't know Linux, you're either going to have a lot of learning to do, or perhaps better finding someone who does know it to help you. |
| 01:26 | pgriffith | Right, I think this is over my head... Any alternatives, or is this pretty much the only way to proceed with Koha? |
| 01:27 | eythian | there is a live CD setup out there. I don't know how well it works, but you could install that into a vm. |
| 01:28 | In theory it should be just install-and-go. | |
| 01:28 | pgriffith | Can you point me to it? |
| 01:30 | eythian | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]irtual_Appliances <-- not quite what I was thinking, but might be worth a look |
| 01:31 | pgriffith | I'll work on this angle -- thanks for the info and the link. Good night! |
| 01:38 | drojf | good night #koha |
| 01:40 | rangi | Right off to pick up kahu |
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| 02:30 | bencahill | hey guys, how fast would an i5 or athlon x4 be (roughly) in comparison to a p4 2.5? I'm getting ~6-8 sec pageloads right now |
| 02:32 | eythian | I think you're best working out where the slowdown is coming from first. |
| 02:32 | 6-8 seconds is a lot for any modern computer. | |
| 02:43 | bencahill | eythian: I profiled it a while back, and got it a bit faster, but after that, there wasn't any one thing that was slow, it just all contributed a little :( (note that I know very little about perl in general) |
| 02:43 | eythian | have you checked to see if it's the database, or zebra, or apache, or ...? |
| 02:44 | bencahill | I know it uses 100% cpu the whole time it's loading |
| 02:44 | ...and that's mysql, iirc...wait a min, lemme test some | |
| 02:46 | * bencahill | waits for windows to start responding :( |
| 02:50 | eythian | if it's mysql, maybe you are missing an index on an important query, or haven't given it enough memory to cache what it needs. |
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| 02:51 | wizzyrea | has the eerie feeling? |
| 02:51 | has the eerie feeling she? | |
| 02:51 | wahanui | has the eerie feeling she is being conspired against. |
| 02:51 | * wizzyrea | giggles |
| 02:52 | * bencahill | can't do proper testing here because the internet at server is apparently using snail mail right now... |
| 02:52 | bencahill | but I can do local profiling... |
| 02:52 | * bencahill | reads up on it again |
| 02:52 | wizzyrea | also nifty? |
| 02:52 | wahanui | also nifty is the fact that they now offer a memcached server. |
| 02:59 | bencahill | argh, so slow! |
| 03:00 | wizzyrea | chocolate? |
| 03:00 | wahanui | i guess chocolate is finite, we ate it all :) |
| 03:04 | Space_Librarian | mmm.... chocolate. I could do with some. |
| 03:04 | bencahill | eythian: it's too slow (internet) to debug right now...but should I be able to get decent (e.g. < 3sec) pageloads on a p4 2.5? |
| 03:05 | eythian | I should think so |
| 03:06 | bencahill | cool...I'll pop back on sometime when I'm physically at the server...maybe Sun. night |
| 03:09 | wizzyrea | favorite quotes? |
| 03:09 | wahanui | 23: how to identify with huginn, 123: mad schemes, 158: test all the things |
| 03:10 | wizzyrea | real proper answer? |
| 03:10 | wahanui | real proper answer is, like, "why aren't there naked flight attendants" |
| 03:10 | wizzyrea | rofl |
| 03:10 | * wizzyrea | dies laughing |
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| 03:22 | Amit_Gupta | heya bag |
| 03:22 | good morning #koha :) | |
| 03:25 | bencahill | good night #koha, I must get some sleep to see if I can get over this congestion :( |
| 03:25 | wizzyrea | sweet dreams |
| 03:34 | * Space_Librarian | really wants chocolate now. Only half an hour to go. |
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| 03:44 | eythian | http://chronicle.com/article/A[…]ott-Grows/130600/ |
| 03:56 | Space_Librarian | Alright #koha. Have a good evening/morning. :) |
| 04:07 | Amit_Gupta | heya robin |
| 04:08 | eythian | hello Amit_Gupta |
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| 04:13 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
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| 04:17 | wizzyrea | well that is odd |
| 04:17 | has anyone else noticed the circulation buttons don't seem to work right in translations? | |
| 04:18 | on circulation.pl and moremember.pl, specifically, and even more specifically, in en-NZ | |
| 04:18 | behaviour also exists in de-de | |
| 04:18 | eythian | are there js errors? That's often what causes that sort of thing |
| 04:19 | wizzyrea | must be OH i wonder if ... i bet I know why this is. |
| 04:19 | or... not. | |
| 04:19 | but yes, there probably are js errors. | |
| 04:24 | I wonder if it has to do with the patch for 7327 - these translations were generated with those modifications | |
| 04:25 | will have to look into that tomorrow | |
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| 05:11 | cait | hi #koha |
| 05:12 | eythian | hi cait |
| 05:12 | cait | hi eythian :) |
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| 05:37 | jurgens | Maybe someone can help: I've truncated all the tables in my mysql koha database, but still my staff client is able to search the catalogue and provide me with results. Clicking on one of these results gives me an error page with this line: Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Koha.pm line 1164. |
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| 05:38 | eythian | jurgens: you need to reindex zebra |
| 05:39 | searching happens through zebra, and the database is used to get all the extra data. | |
| 05:39 | jurgens | How do I do this? I can't figure out were to do this - I am new to Linux and Koha, but learning fast. |
| 05:39 | Thanks eythian, a starting point! | |
| 05:40 | eythian | jurgens: how did you install koha? From packages or from a tar.gz? |
| 05:40 | (or some other method) | |
| 05:40 | jurgens | I did it from a LiveCD |
| 05:40 | eythian | ah. hmm. |
| 05:41 | jurgens | I uploaded a lot of bibs, but decided to include barcodes in the 952 fiels, and also added the ISBN-10 to the ISBN-13 fields, hence i decided to do this by deleting the previous uploaded ones. |
| 05:41 | eythian | hmm. What's the output of running 'locate rebuild_zebra'? |
| 05:42 | jurgens | This sort of worked ( i did it through koha) but then decided to truncate the tables as i was getting this error. |
| 05:42 | eythian | (I don't know how the livecd is laid out, so this is to establish that) |
| 05:42 | don't worry, the error is perfectly normal for what you did, and rebuilding zebra indices is a pretty standard process. | |
| 05:43 | jurgens | I ran that in terminal [locate rebuild_zebra].. nothing happens |
| 05:43 | eythian | when you say 'nothing happens', what sort of nothing? |
| 05:44 | jurgens | it appears to execute, but no output, just a new command line |
| 05:44 | eythian | OK cool |
| 05:44 | run 'sudo updatedb' | |
| 05:44 | this may take several minutes to complete | |
| 05:45 | jurgens | its thinking.. |
| 05:45 | ok.. nothing | |
| 05:45 | eythian | that's fine. Try the locate again |
| 05:45 | jurgens | Hi 5! |
| 05:46 | cait | eythian++ :) |
| 05:46 | eythian | so what's it say? |
| 05:46 | jurgens | ok sorry, can't paste it here for some reason.. but |
| 05:47 | eythian | hmm, well that doesn't matter too much, so long as it works |
| 05:47 | now try 'locate koha-conf.xml' | |
| 05:47 | jurgens | ... ok i typed it out but didn't print it here.. |
| 05:47 | there are two locations basically. | |
| 05:47 | eythian | because it started with a '/' |
| 05:47 | jurgens | one in migration tools |
| 05:47 | eythian | put a space in the front |
| 05:47 | jurgens | /home/koha/Desktop/Liblime/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl |
| 05:47 | eythian | before the '/', which will make IRC not see it as a command |
| 05:48 | liblime? Where did you find the livecd? | |
| 05:48 | but anyway, it's probably the second one we want. | |
| 05:48 | now do the locate koha-conf.xml | |
| 05:49 | jurgens | oops.. sorry i accidentally closed the widnow |
| 05:49 | what did you say eythian | |
| 05:49 | eythian | run 'locate koha-conf.xml' |
| 05:50 | jurgens | /home/koha/Desktop/Liblime/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl kohakoha:~$ locate koha-conf.xml /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml_koha_3_02_00_004 /home/koha/Desktop/Liblime/etc/koha-conf.xml |
| 05:50 | sorry .. here | |
| 05:51 | /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml_koha_3_02_00_004 /home/koha/Desktop/Liblime/etc/koha-conf.xml | |
| 05:51 | eythian | OK cool. Now one more: grep koha /etc/passwd |
| 05:51 | jurgens | koha:x:1000:1000:koha,,,:/home/koha:/bin/bash |
| 05:52 | eythian | sweet. OK, now: KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -v -r -a -b |
| 05:52 | no wait | |
| 05:52 | first do 'whoami' | |
| 05:53 | jurgens | it says koha |
| 05:53 | eythian | oh sweet |
| 05:53 | then do that command just above | |
| 05:53 | jurgens | it did a few things |
| 05:53 | eythian | it should have put a lot of output |
| 05:53 | jurgens | Yup |
| 05:53 | eythian | things like 'exporting 0 records' and so forth |
| 05:54 | jurgens | yup |
| 05:54 | eythian | anyway, try your searching again |
| 05:54 | jurgens | yeah.. came up with results again |
| 05:54 | eythian | that's unexpected |
| 05:55 | wait, when you truncated stuff in your database, what tables did you do that to? | |
| 05:55 | jurgens | i think the problem could be the liblime thing, because i did try to see how the update process work.. it didn't work exactly |
| 05:55 | all of them. | |
| 05:55 | eythian | hmm. did the rebuild_zebra thing give anything that looked like an error? |
| 05:56 | jurgens | so this is the error when clicking on a search result: Can't call method "field" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Koha.pm line 1164. |
| 05:56 | eythian | where does the liblime thing come from? You might be right that it's confusing matters. |
| 05:56 | yeah, it's trying to load a record but failing most likely | |
| 05:57 | jurgens | eythian, if i have say items and bib records in koha that I want to keep, and i ran the commands you just showed, will it just reindex those items or if it all worked delete them too? |
| 05:57 | just a question for future reference | |
| 05:57 | eythian | that command makes sure that the search index is in sync with what's in the database. |
| 05:57 | It's always safe to do | |
| 05:58 | jurgens | ok, good. I think I will reinstall this live cd.. and load up a few items, truncate the tables and try your commands again. Hopefully this will all work then! |
| 05:59 | eythian | OK. I'd also recommend installing from the debian packages, they provide tools to make things like that easier. |
| 05:59 | It's just a bit more work to set it up in the first place. | |
| 05:59 | jurgens | I have tried before, from the debian packages.. but I couldn't get it to install correctly. |
| 06:00 | but I will definitly try again! thanks for your help eythian | |
| 06:00 | eythian | It's time someone (probably me) wrote a nice howto for that... |
| 06:00 | np | |
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| 06:04 | wizzyrea | eythian - I just updated the faq's on the website |
| 06:04 | http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ | |
| 06:05 | specifically: http://koha-community.org/?qa_[…]items-whats-wrong | |
| 06:06 | probably need to add in some infos about the packages too :) | |
| 06:07 | oh a faq under "installing/upgrading" -- Should I use the packages or the tarball? | |
| 06:07 | * wizzyrea | puts it on the list |
| 06:09 | cait | wizzyrea: why are you not sleeping? |
| 06:09 | eythian | wizzyrea: I'd put both, the package only applies to people who've used them. To rebuild using the packages you do: sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v --full `/usr/sbin/koha-list` |
| 06:09 | where ` are backquotes. | |
| 06:10 | hang on, I misread | |
| 06:10 | well, I'd also put both for installing :) | |
| 06:11 | packages only work if you're on debian or ubuntu | |
| 06:13 | wizzyrea | right :) |
| 06:13 | do you agree: http://koha-community.org/faq/[…]all-install-koha/ | |
| 06:14 | eythian | yep |
| 06:14 | that sounds quite correct. | |
| 06:14 | Advanced users may also build their own packages :) | |
| 06:15 | (which is what we do, and I think magnus_away does also. Probably some others.) | |
| 06:16 | wizzyrea | right - i'm not sure that's the place for suggesting that? |
| 06:16 | maybe it is, maybe I"m being small minded. | |
| 06:16 | eythian | No, I expect not. |
| 06:17 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze <-- these are the canonical package instructions, and they note that you can do it there. | |
| 06:19 | wizzyrea | I think that's probably a fine place |
| 06:19 | to suggest that | |
| 06:19 | oh what's the question we always get about apache | |
| 06:20 | i've just installed koha but I only get the "it works!" page | |
| 06:20 | or I get nothing | |
| 06:20 | speaking of that | |
| 06:20 | eythian | really that means you haven't got virtual hosts set up right |
| 06:23 | hey nice, someone I don't recognise has been adding docs about using the packages to the wiki. That's always a good sign. | |
| 06:24 | wizzyrea | is it intentional or a typo that the koha site file contains 127.0.1.1 instead of 127.0.0.1 - sometihng to do with proper debian configuration? |
| 06:24 | eythian | it's correct, and there's a reason for it. |
| 06:24 | I'm not 100% sure what that reason is. | |
| 06:24 | wizzyrea | ha, okies |
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| 06:25 | eythian | 127.0.0.0/8 is all localhost |
| 06:26 | wizzyrea | right but... oh never mind. I accept on faith that it's intentional and there's a reason for it. |
| 06:26 | someday someone will explain it I'm sure. | |
| 06:26 | eythian | I think it prevents some things being confused when they see more than just 'localhost' on 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:26 | wizzyrea | oh that could be |
| 06:26 | eythian | I've never noticed anything being confused, but I just take it on faith they may exist. |
| 06:28 | wizzyrea | me either - but I can attest that it is occasionally unnerving to see the 1.1. instead of 0.1 - habit I suppose. |
| 06:29 | eythian | yeah |
| 06:29 | I found it strange too. | |
| 06:34 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 06:34 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -9.3°C (7:34 AM CET on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -13.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Rising). |
| 06:34 | cait | ooh |
| 06:34 | wizzyrea | holy brr. |
| 06:35 | eythian | hopefully it's warmer in summer time :) |
| 06:35 | cait | it is |
| 06:35 | :) | |
| 06:35 | summers are especially nice even | |
| 06:36 | eythian | cait: you'll be happy to know I'm currently drafting up a scheming plan. |
| 06:36 | cait | yay :) |
| 06:37 | eythian | I don't currently have many schemes or plans, but I'm going to work on it over the next week or so and get some more detail in it. |
| 06:38 | cait | :) |
| 06:42 | lots of tourists... but apart from that nice | |
| 06:46 | eythian | it does look quite nice :) |
| 06:47 | * eythian | goes home |
| 06:47 | eythian | 4 day weekend yay :) |
| 06:47 | cait | oh |
| 06:47 | happy weekend :) | |
| 06:48 | eythian | see y'all |
| 06:54 | magnuse | kia ora #koha |
| 06:54 | cait | morning magnuse |
| 06:55 | magnuse | guten morgen cait |
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| 07:28 | alex_a | morning koha ! |
| 07:29 | cait | hi alex_a |
| 07:29 | :) | |
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| 07:32 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 07:32 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -9.6°C (8:29 AM CET on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022.2 hPa (Rising). |
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| 07:59 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:59 | wahanui | que tal, reiveune |
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| 08:03 | francharb | hello |
| 08:03 | wahanui | hello, francharb |
| 08:03 | paul_p | good morning world |
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| 08:08 | asaurat | hi |
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| 08:13 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 08:22 | magnuse | yay for bug 6913 getting pushed! |
| 08:22 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6913 enhancement, P3, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Improving koha-list and koha-create |
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| 09:30 | Judit | hi |
| 09:32 | just a quicky: is the biblionumber and biblioitemnumber supposed to be the same number? | |
| 09:33 | paul_p | Judit yes, but they can differ if there has been a problem with 1 (or a few) biblios |
| 09:33 | I mean = | |
| 09:33 | Judit | hm |
| 09:33 | paul_p | if there is a difference of 1 or 2, don't worry, it may mean a biblio had been improperly saved, for an unknown reason |
| 09:34 | ( and only this biblio has a problem ) | |
| 09:34 | Judit | thanks |
| 09:34 | paul_p | Judit in very old versions of Koha (1.x), when there was no MARC, it was possible to have 1 biblio and X biblioitems |
| 09:34 | but since 2.x, it should not happend | |
| 09:35 | Judit | so it is generaly a bad sign if they differ |
| 09:56 | hdl | Judit: it may happen. and koha Should NOT be broken then. |
| 09:57 | Judit | thnk |
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| 10:08 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
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| 10:11 | slef | it's only the 2nd and the patches2bugs mailer has finished... is koha-patches volume lower last month, or are bugs getting pushed quicker? |
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| 10:35 | vfernandes | hi Koha community :) |
| 10:36 | there is some problem with my Koha (3.2.6) in the batchMod.pl.... i can't use accent characters like: ç, ã, á, etc.... | |
| 10:36 | how i can solve it? | |
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| 10:45 | hdl | vfernandes: can you try and detail ? |
| 10:47 | vfernandes | i want to edit some items notes. I have 8 items that i need to change the itemnotes to: "Exemplar em exposição (disponível a partir de 16 Fevereiro)". If I use the expression like that the script don't move from 14%, if i remove the ç,ã and í the script works fine |
| 10:51 | there is some problem with the script when dealing with encoding | |
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| 11:04 | kf | hi #koha |
| 11:08 | vfernandes | any idea hdl? |
| 11:29 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7005 follow-up fix coding guidelines broken <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b43b7edcf28fabd02> / Bug 7005: Writeoff all now has a confirmation dialog. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]77aea3ad66100d786> / Bug 6964 - 'Add child' function should be dependant on system preference 'borrowerRel... <http://git.koha- |
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| 11:41 | kf | hi Irma :) |
| 12:05 | hdl | vfernandes: can you screencast what you do ? |
| 12:05 | And what you see as a problem | |
| 12:06 | please. | |
| 12:10 | vfernandes | hdl the problem is that the batchMod.pl don't finish the job if there is some "special" characters |
| 12:24 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #608: STILL UNSTABLE in 54 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/608/ |
| 12:24 | * kmkale: Renew membership from expiry date or from current date based on a syspref | |
| 12:24 | * paul.poulain: Bug 6843 follow-up DBrev | |
| 12:24 | * paul.poulain: Adding Jorgia Kelsey and Peter Lorimer as contributors | |
| 12:24 | * robin: Bug 6913 - change how ports are handled by koha-create | |
| 12:24 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6843 enhancement, P3, ---, kmkale, Pushed to Master , Renew membership from expiry date or from current date |
| 12:24 | jenkins_koha | * jcamins: Bug 6913: More options for koha-create and koha-remove |
| 12:24 | * oleonard: Bug 6933 [REVISED] Add a view of titles with a particular tag to the staff client | |
| 12:24 | * paul.poulain: Bug 6933 follow-up, perltyding new script list.pl | |
| 12:24 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6913 enhancement, P3, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Improving koha-list and koha-create |
| 12:24 | jenkins_koha | * aleksa: Bug 6964 - 'Add child' function should be dependant on system preference 'borrowerRelationship' |
| 12:24 | * aleksa: Bug 7005: Writeoff all now has a confirmation dialog. | |
| 12:24 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6933 enhancement, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add a view of titles with a particular tag to the staff client |
| 12:24 | jenkins_koha | * paul.poulain: Bug 7005 follow-up fix coding guidelines broken |
| 12:24 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6964 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleksa, Pushed to Master , 'Add child' function should be dependant on system preference 'borrowerRelationship' |
| 12:24 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7005 major, P5 - low, ---, aleksa, Pushed to Master , no confirmation for write off all | |
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| 13:16 | hdl | vfernandes: special char in the biblio record ? Or in the strings to set ? |
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| 13:18 | libsysguy | o/ |
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| 13:30 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 14:23 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_6488' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9c695e6e03f8baa12> / Bug 6488 adding a 2nd \n to silence logs <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]50a21c623e0155f52> / Fix for Bug 7148 - Add some error handling to Acquisitions' Z39.50 search to match... <http://git.koha-community.org |
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| 14:30 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #609 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #605 2 j 16 h ago) |
| 14:34 | * oleonard | is happy to see Bug 6933 get pushed |
| 14:34 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6933 enhancement, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add a view of titles with a particular tag to the staff client |
| 14:34 | oleonard | Thanks for the follow-up corrections paul_p |
| 14:34 | paul_p | oleonard the one for 6210 will arrive in a few seconds ! |
| 14:35 | pushed | |
| 14:38 | vfernandes | hdl sory only to answer now... i've gone to lunch :).... the problem is the special characters in same phrase/sentence that I want to add to itemnotes |
| 14:40 | oleonard | gitorious picked a strange time of day for planned down time |
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| 14:44 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_6210' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2e4a2668fcc13cade> / Bug 6210 follow-up, removing warn <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e1fb5b49aaaef288d> |
| 14:49 | oleonard | ByWater++ # http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]-indexing-to-koha |
| 14:50 | I love seeing this cooperation, and seeing it out in the open. | |
| 15:03 | hdl | hi oleonard |
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| 15:03 | hdl | vfernandes: mmm might be because it is a regular expression which is done. |
| 15:04 | vfernandes: there is a special modifier which does enable utf8 characters in regular expressions. | |
| 15:10 | vfernandes: could you file a bug, attach a record you want to edit and what you ask as edition... In order to debug that ? | |
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| 15:19 | moodaepo | ptfs-- # sigh. again. |
| 15:20 | bywater++ | |
| 15:20 | mbalmer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwPj0qgvfIs |
| 15:20 | wizzyrea | moodaepo: what'd I miss. |
| 15:20 | moodaepo | Partner_Libraries++ |
| 15:21 | wizzyrea: rangi posted an update to the copyright fiasco http://library-matters.blogspo[…]ha-trademark.html | |
| 15:21 | wizzyrea | ohh |
| 15:21 | * wizzyrea | reads |
| 15:22 | mbalmer | great technology, and fun, even if you don't know spanish well ;) |
| 15:22 | oleonard | http://koha-community.org/upda[…]tuation/#comments |
| 15:22 | wizzyrea | gotcha |
| 15:23 | paul_p | and another patch pushed with a mistake... phew... not my day today... |
| 15:23 | oleonard | Did PTFS need to be shamed into responding, or are they just bad with deadlines? :P |
| 15:23 | wizzyrea | which? |
| 15:23 | moodaepo | oleonard++ |
| 15:24 | * chris_n | loves being spam'd by git.kc.org :-) |
| 15:24 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_6964' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]70f9b79f633aef3af> / Bug 6964 follow-up <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]29433711a7b3abd10> |
| 15:24 | paul_p | bug 7190 had a syntax error in paycollect, seems noone tested it ! |
| 15:24 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7190 normal, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Signed Off , written off fines being refunded |
| 15:24 | mbalmer | what/who is PTFS? |
| 15:24 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #609: STILL UNSTABLE in 54 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/609/ |
| 15:24 | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 7148 - Add some error handling to Acquisitions' Z39.50 search to match Cataloging's | |
| 15:24 | * paul.poulain: Bug 6488 adding a 2nd \n to silence logs | |
| 15:24 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7148 enhancement, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add some error handling to Acquisitions' Z39.50 search to match Cataloging's |
| 15:24 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6488 normal, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , opachiddenitems not working in master | |
| 15:24 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #610 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #605 2 j 17 h ago) |
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| 15:25 | chris_n | paul_p: all the more reason to run the complete test suite before pushing up ;-) |
| 15:25 | wizzyrea | mbalmer - they are a US company that supports a fork of Koha |
| 15:25 | * chris_n | runs away |
| 15:25 | mbalmer | ah, thos guys owning the koha.org domain name? |
| 15:25 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 15:25 | oleonard | mbalmer: And seeking a trademark on "Koha" in New Zealand. |
| 15:25 | paul_p | mbalmer => http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]ruary/027657.html |
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| 15:26 | mbalmer | I found that situation quite strange, was first on their site |
| 15:26 | * paul_p | should bookmark this mail... |
| 15:26 | mbalmer | oh, that is really bad taste |
| 15:26 | wizzyrea | *nod* |
| 15:26 | mbalmer | I am sitting in a Koha workshop right now ;) |
| 15:26 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 15:27 | paul_p | chris_n = the test suite doesn't complain for any of the 3 patches that resulted in a follow-up today |
| 15:27 | http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Build/testReport/ | |
| 15:28 | * paul_p | not that wrong ;-) |
| 15:28 | wizzyrea | paul_p: i got your mail re: password - gimme just a min |
| 15:28 | * mbalmer | rushes to register biblibre as a trademark in .ch |
| 15:28 | paul_p | wizzyrea thanks ! |
| 15:28 | * mbalmer | likes that name so much! |
| 15:29 | chris_n | paul_p: who QA'd? |
| 15:29 | * mbalmer | ;) |
| 15:29 | paul_p | chris_n me |
| 15:30 | wizzyrea | mbalmer: statements like that are especially raw-nerve - lest someone think you are serious (even though I'm sure you're not) |
| 15:30 | mbalmer | I am swiss and usually cynical when making such comments. you should see the smile on my face right now ;) |
| 15:30 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 15:30 | mbalmer | of course I am not serious about that. |
| 15:31 | you should know that I am a 100% open source person.. | |
| 15:31 | wizzyrea | not mad, just sayin. |
| 15:34 | hdl | chris_n: and when you have a 45 minutes testing plan... You are not really keen on running it on every merge. |
| 15:34 | chris_n | hdl: we've had that discussion; koha's test plan takes less than 5 min to run |
| 15:34 | paul_p | chris_n ??? |
| 15:34 | wahanui | release maintainer for 3.2, 3.4, and 3.6. |
| 15:34 | * chris_n | runs it before *every* push to the main repo |
| 15:35 | chris_n | t, t/db_dependent, and xt |
| 15:35 | wizzyrea | I've been running it before (most, at the moment) of my recent signoffs |
| 15:35 | kf | it's fast on my laptop too |
| 15:35 | wizzyrea | and comparing it to jenkins |
| 15:35 | takes, maybe a couple of minutes? | |
| 15:35 | t, t/db_dependent, and xt | |
| 15:35 | chris_n | time tells it all |
| 15:36 | paul_p | chris_n which command do you run exactly ? (/me will try it on my laptop) |
| 15:36 | chris_n | om |
| 15:36 | wizzyrea | I run prove t t/db_dependent xt |
| 15:37 | * chris_n | does the same |
| 15:37 | chris_n | timing it now |
| 15:37 | * paul_p | timing it as well |
| 15:37 | hdl | chris_n: i can't remember discussing that with you. |
| 15:37 | kf | hdl: I think it was discussed on a meeting |
| 15:37 | iirc | |
| 15:37 | chris_n | hdl: sorry; "we" meaning us on irc :) |
| 15:40 | real2m46.855s | |
| 15:40 | user0m55.140s | |
| 15:40 | sys0m10.412s | |
| 15:40 | cnighserasmus:~/koha.3.2.test (3.6.x)$ |
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| 15:40 | * wizzyrea | gets similar results |
| 15:41 | wizzyrea | Files=124, Tests=4599, 73 wallclock secs ( 2.80 usr 0.51 sys + 66.22 cusr 5.57 csys = 75.10 CPU) |
| 15:41 | * oleonard | gets "Bailout called. Further testing stopped: ***** PROBLEMS LOADING FILE 'C4::Labels'" |
| 15:41 | wizzyrea | oh you need modern-perl-perl |
| 15:41 | paul_p | Files=125, Tests=6536, 126 wallclock secs ( 2.53 usr 1.42 sys + 79.08 cusr 5.57 csys = 88.60 CPU) |
| 15:41 | Result: FAIL | |
| 15:41 | real2m6.092s | |
| 15:41 | user1m21.749s | |
| 15:41 | sys0m7.024s | |
| 15:42 | kf | wizzyrea: do you run the db dependant tests on your test database? |
| 15:42 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 15:42 | I have a special db that I use when I refresh my test DB | |
| 15:42 | chris_n | kf: running on live data is not recommended ;-) |
| 15:42 | kf | meh |
| 15:42 | wizzyrea | that has all of the stuff in it for tests |
| 15:42 | kf | you know what I meant :) |
| 15:42 | wizzyrea: was that the one you had attached to the bug? | |
| 15:43 | chris_n | kf: it should pass over the sample data now |
| 15:43 | kf | or simpler question - can I download it somewhere? :) |
| 15:43 | wizzyrea | yes - and I actually have one with real bibs in it thanks to magnuse (I borrowed his bibs) |
| 15:43 | yes, you can | |
| 15:43 | it may be on the bug, sec | |
| 15:43 | but yea, they should pass on the sample data | |
| 15:43 | well | |
| 15:43 | no | |
| 15:43 | that's not true | |
| 15:43 | you have to have | |
| 15:43 | and these are in the bug | |
| 15:43 | let me just find it | |
| 15:43 | kf | i have to have? |
| 15:44 | * chris_n | thinks that the db_dependent tests should always pass over the sample data |
| 15:44 | wizzyrea | im just going to find the bug, I made notes |
| 15:44 | chris_n | this allows for a common standard |
| 15:44 | wizzyrea | they should, but the sample data doesn't, for example, come with a serial subscription |
| 15:44 | chris_n | we should patch the sample data |
| 15:44 | wizzyrea | because it comes with no bibs |
| 15:44 | chris_n: I think | |
| 15:44 | what we really should do | |
| 15:44 | is add a sub-section of sample data | |
| 15:44 | * chris_n | holds his breath |
| 15:44 | kf | yep |
| 15:45 | wizzyrea | "developer test data" |
| 15:45 | chris_n | good idea |
| 15:45 | kf | patrons and libraries would go in there too |
| 15:45 | paul_p | wizzyrea it seems you haven't tested my sandbox system yet (I recieve a mail everytime someone request something) |
| 15:45 | chris_n | or "data to run db_dep tests over" |
| 15:45 | but yes | |
| 15:45 | very good idea | |
| 15:45 | wizzyrea | paul_p: I couldn't find the page to request the instance? |
| 15:45 | paul_p | sample database++ |
| 15:45 | chris_n | and a "one-click" install option for it |
| 15:45 | kf | paul_p: same here - no link on the wiki page :) |
| 15:45 | paul_p | wizzyrea i've rewritten the wiki page, it should be more clear now |
| 15:46 | wizzyrea | ohhhh |
| 15:46 | paul_p | kf same thing ;-) |
| 15:46 | wizzyrea | cool! |
| 15:46 | i will check it again :D | |
| 15:46 | chris_n | instead of having to click lots of tiny square check boxes |
| 15:46 | wizzyrea | yes, that |
| 15:46 | kf | I don't get a mail when someon changes the wiki page ;) |
| 15:46 | paul_p | kf you don't have a RSS feed on it ? |
| 15:46 | wizzyrea | paul_p: thanks for following up, i was looking for a project |
| 15:46 | kf | paul_p: nope |
| 15:47 | I killed my feed reader some time ago...and found it frees up a lot of time | |
| 15:47 | wizzyrea | ok right, finding bug |
| 15:47 | * chris_n | has plans to fixup his release-rolling script to refuse to roll a release if the test suite fails |
| 15:48 | chris_n | ok, back to fixing a few backup issues |
| 15:49 | wizzyrea | bug 7333 |
| 15:49 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7333 trivial, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, wizzyrea, Pushed to Master , Cleaning up tests to use sample data |
| 15:49 | kf | thx liz :) |
| 15:49 | wizzyrea | now, however. |
| 15:49 | one caveat | |
| 15:49 | I think that particular db has some strange settings in it | |
| 15:50 | which don't matter for testing | |
| 15:50 | but do matter for, say, functional testing | |
| 15:50 | kf | but I don't want to use it for testing? |
| 15:50 | I think I get what you mean :) | |
| 15:51 | mbalmer | what again is the (technical) reason that Koha does not use mod_perl? |
| 15:51 | wizzyrea | I have one in my git repo, as well, that I'm trying to keep up to date with what I'm currently using (and current master) |
| 15:51 | kf | I think something about circular dependencies |
| 15:51 | wizzyrea | keyword - trying |
| 15:51 | paul_p | mbalmer = no-one ever proved it worked well |
| 15:51 | wizzyrea | but it has less stupid settings. |
| 15:51 | mbalmer | paul_p, so that could be an experiment, too. |
| 15:52 | are you aware of any problems with mod_perl? | |
| 15:52 | paul_p | mbalmer yep. And during the hackfest there will be a group working on Plack as well. Plack and mod_perl should have the same kind of problem |
| 15:52 | kf | wizzyrea: git repo for sql dump... that is an interesting idea |
| 15:52 | mbalmer | what is Plack? |
| 15:52 | wahanui | somebody said Plack was working quite nice. |
| 15:52 | paul_p | mbalmer we have Lyon 3 university running OPAC under plack. So it works |
| 15:53 | mbalmer http://plackperl.org/ | |
| 15:55 | mbalmer | cool, never heard of that before. that should give a nice performance boost (the librarians here claim that Koha is quite slow, but then we run on a slow machine atm) |
| 15:55 | hdl | mbalmer: problems of memory consumption... |
| 15:56 | mbalmer: and also because zebra is sometimes not responsive to requests because of ZOOM implementation... | |
| 16:01 | mbalmer | ok, thanks. |
| 16:06 | wizzyrea | who here likes jing/screencast? |
| 16:06 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:06 | wizzyrea | and another question, those of you on linux, what's your favorite screen capture tool |
| 16:06 | i'm going nuts without my jing on linux. | |
| 16:06 | hdl | wizzyrea: I like screencasting... but in that domain I am a believer, and not practitioner |
| 16:06 | kf | I think mine is shatter |
| 16:07 | shutter? | |
| 16:07 | I have it set up so it uploads to my ftp account | |
| 16:07 | and gives me the url to paste | |
| 16:07 | only does screenshots I think | |
| 16:08 | hdl | ask clrh. iirc last time we screencasted something, was recordMyDesktop or xvidcap |
| 16:08 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 16:08 | huginn` | kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -8.0°C (5:00 PM CET on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025 hPa (Rising). |
| 16:09 | hdl | http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/ |
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| 16:10 | hdl | there was screentoaster. |
| 16:11 | But maybe screencast.com works. | |
| 16:14 | edveal | Anyone have any ideas as to why the "Location" column in the OPAC would be empty for all items when the "Location" column is fine in the staff client? |
| 16:14 | clrh | yep I use recordmydesktop simpe and efficient |
| 16:15 | hdl | thanks clrh |
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| 16:15 | kf | bye all :) |
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| 16:16 | hdl | wizzyrea: if you search a commercial solution :http://www.qarbon.com/ |
| 16:17 | wizzyrea | hdl: i'd go for about anything at the moment :) |
| 16:17 | * paul_p | discover that my pre-commit hook was wrong, otherwise the bug 6964 wouldn't have been pushed. |
| 16:17 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6964 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleksa, Pushed to Master , 'Add child' function should be dependant on system preference 'borrowerRelationship' |
| 16:17 | * paul_p | does some tests again... |
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| 16:18 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #610: STILL UNSTABLE in 53 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/610/ |
| 16:18 | * paul.poulain: Bug 6210 follow-up, removing warn | |
| 16:18 | * paul.poulain: Bug 6964 follow-up | |
| 16:18 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6210 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Choose framework on Merge |
| 16:21 | chris_n | paul_p++ # for lots of hard work :) |
| 16:21 | paul_p | FYI all = jenkins is unstable because of something wrong in the sample dataset. rangi sent me a mail saying he will fix the DB |
| 16:22 | bad news = pre-commit & git-am / git-bz are not friends... | |
| 16:22 | so you can git bz a bug that doesn't compile, a pre-commit checking that won't complain :'(((( | |
| 16:23 | wizzyrea | that seems right - a pre-commit would only catch something when you type "commit whatever.bla" |
| 16:24 | paul_p | I LOVE git = there's always a solution = pre-applypatch |
| 16:24 | * paul_p | checking immediatly ! |
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| 16:26 | paul_p | yeahhh !!!! |
| 16:26 | Applying: Bug 6964 - 'Add child' function should be dependant on system preference 'borrowerRelationship' | |
| 16:26 | circ/circulation.pl syntax OK | |
| 16:26 | members/boraccount.pl syntax OK | |
| 16:26 | members/deletemem.pl syntax OK | |
| 16:26 | members/mancredit.pl syntax OK | |
| 16:26 | members/maninvoice.pl syntax OK | |
| 16:26 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6964 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, aleksa, Pushed to Master , 'Add child' function should be dependant on system preference 'borrowerRelationship' |
| 16:26 | paul_p | members/member-flags.pl syntax OK |
| 16:26 | members/member-password.pl syntax OK | |
| 16:26 | "my" variable @issuedata masks earlier declaration in same scope at members/moremember.pl line 260. | |
| 16:26 | members/moremember.pl syntax OK | |
| 16:26 | members/notices.pl syntax OK | |
| 16:26 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 16:27 | paul_p | members/pay.pl syntax OK |
| 16:27 | syntax error at members/paycollect.pl line 141, near "$total_due | |
| 16:27 | activeBorrowerRelationship" | |
| 16:27 | members/paycollect.pl had compilation errors. | |
| 16:27 | members/readingrec.pl syntax OK | |
| 16:27 | Are you sure you want to commit ? | |
| 16:27 | You can commit with the --no-verify argument | |
| 16:27 | Patch left in /tmp/SIGNED-OFF-Bug-6964---Add-child-function-should-be-B23185.patch | |
| 16:27 | did I say I LOVE git ? | |
| 16:27 | (mail to koha-devel on the way ;-) ) | |
| 16:27 | wizzyrea | we should start a "git-fu" wiki page |
| 16:27 | to share varying types of workflows | |
| 16:28 | paul_p | git-fu ? |
| 16:28 | wizzyrea | I'm a XXX - I do it this way: |
| 16:28 | where xxx is release manager, developer, tester | |
| 16:28 | like kung fu | |
| 16:28 | only with git | |
| 16:28 | hdl | mmm... this should be in developer's corner. |
| 16:28 | Dev environment... | |
| 16:29 | where ppl could share vim templates. | |
| 16:29 | wizzyrea | ya |
| 16:29 | isn't that always the hardest part for new people though? | |
| 16:29 | trea | git -fu - tiger style! /whooosh |
| 16:29 | fredpierre | what about a project management interface |
| 16:29 | like project open or | |
| 16:29 | wizzyrea | @quote add trea: git-fu --tiger style /whooosh |
| 16:29 | huginn` | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #186 added. |
| 16:30 | hdl | wizzyrea: ? |
| 16:30 | wizzyrea | fred - elaborate |
| 16:30 | hdl: it's a funny | |
| 16:31 | i suspect it would be funnier to people who had an interest in chinese martial arts films. | |
| 16:31 | slef | errr that isn't what fu often means |
| 16:31 | as in fubar, snafu, ... | |
| 16:31 | wizzyrea | not this particular usage, no |
| 16:32 | slef | I suspect the other sort is about as common with git ;-) |
| 16:32 | paul_p | we have http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git, maybe a chapter about "git tip & tricks" ? |
| 16:32 | wizzyrea | or "common workflows" |
| 16:32 | hehe slef, you're probably right | |
| 16:32 | fredpierre | i worked with project open for a while - the interface allows you to create teams for projects, with timelines and flowcharts |
| 16:33 | another approach might be a mind-mapping interface | |
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| 16:33 | fredpierre | then you get the flowcharts built in |
| 16:33 | paul_p | that's not a workflow, that's a how to avoid doint commits that does not compile ! |
| 16:33 | maybe a git_howto then ? | |
| 16:33 | git_QA ? | |
| 16:34 | will go for git_howto unless someone object | |
| 16:34 | fredpierre | i would benefit a lot from more git info - im reading pro git |
| 16:34 | paul_p | or git_faq ... |
| 16:34 | fredpierre | always worried a pull might destroy my development/production build |
| 16:34 | paul_p | maybe git_faq is the best |
| 16:35 | wizzyrea | fredpierre: did you see our lovely git info? |
| 16:35 | version control using git? | |
| 16:35 | wahanui | i guess version control using git is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
| 16:35 | wizzyrea | git bz? |
| 16:35 | wahanui | git bz is so much fun :) or http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_bz_configuration |
| 16:35 | fredpierre | thanks - I will look at that! :) |
| 16:35 | wizzyrea | also fredpierre I was going to have a look at your mobile stuff today - or maybe tomorrow |
| 16:35 | trea | fyi slef kungfu literally translates as "human achievement" so in this context it's entirely appropriate - the term itself doesn't imply a martial context. |
| 16:36 | just saying | |
| 16:36 | fredpierre | I did manage to post my repository of koha mobile to gitorious - http://gitorious.org/koha-mobile-web#more |
| 16:36 | Hope I got it all up there | |
| 16:36 | wizzyrea | fredpierre: I'm sure it did :) |
| 16:36 | trea | that's my non sequitur for the day. enjoy. |
| 16:37 | fredpierre | trea++! |
| 16:37 | what does Tai Chi mean? | |
| 16:38 | oleonard | slow motion dancing in the park. |
| 16:38 | trea | The term t'ai chi ch'uan translates as "supreme ultimate fist", "boundless fist", "great extremes boxing", or simply "the ultimate". |
| 16:38 | thanks wikipedia | |
| 16:38 | :P | |
| 16:39 | fredpierre | I have used FreeMind for project organization - don't know if it would apply here - it makes very cool flowcharts. |
| 16:43 | slef | trea: yeah, now look up what snafu and fubar translate as... I prefer English acronyms over foreign language islands in English but maybe that's just how my brain works and no-one else will think it is a bad thing. |
| 16:43 | trea | i know what the terms mean slef |
| 16:43 | suffice to say they are at polar ends of the spectrum | |
| 16:43 | slef | trea: well, I know what kung fu means and that didn't stop you ;) |
| 16:43 | trea | lol |
| 16:43 | point taken | |
| 16:46 | slef | and back to books http://failblog.files.wordpres[…]customers-win.jpg |
| 16:53 | Ooh this is a fun question. Can Koha checkout by partial barcode? | |
| 16:53 | oleonard | How would it do that? |
| 16:53 | slef | I think that would be equivalent to going from "Search the catalogue" to checking out an item from that screen. |
| 16:53 | oleonard | Load a list of matches and let you choose? |
| 16:53 | slef | oleonard: that would be one way, yes |
| 16:54 | wizzyrea | what situation are we trying to accommodate for/ |
| 16:54 | "I remember it had a 1 at the end?" | |
| 16:54 | "somewhere in the middle there was a 234" | |
| 16:54 | slef | I think part of their stock has shelfmark barcodes instead of callnumbers. |
| 16:54 | wizzyrea | Ahhh |
| 16:55 | slef | Joys of libraries originally set up by volunteers. |
| 16:55 | wizzyrea | oic |
| 16:56 | slef | I really can't see how to go from a search result to a checkout. Am I being dense? |
| 16:57 | I can place hold but not checkout. | |
| 16:57 | oleonard | You're right slef, there's not a way to do that |
| 16:57 | wizzyrea | I don't think that there is a way to do that |
| 16:58 | * magnuse | was looking for that the other day too |
| 16:58 | wizzyrea | I definitely can see usefulness for that feature |
| 16:59 | slef | so what would we prefer: a button alongside place hold, or on the item detail screen, or something else? |
| 16:59 | wizzyrea | well it would have to be per item, right? |
| 16:59 | one thing that is cool, owen's search to hold thing already has the last borrower | |
| 17:00 | already knows it | |
| 17:00 | oleonard | Right, you could try to lump those two functions together somehow |
| 17:00 | ..although "Search to hold or check out" is a little cumbersome :| | |
| 17:01 | slef | it depends if they want a particular item, or just any |
| 17:01 | similar to hold I think | |
| 17:01 | the other way I was just looking was if I could check out the cart | |
| 17:01 | but of course, the cart holds biblios not items | |
| 17:01 | so that's probably a non-starter | |
| 17:02 | wizzyrea | could the cart be modified to hold items? |
| 17:02 | that kind of makes sense to me | |
| 17:02 | at least on the staff side, not so much on the opac. | |
| 17:03 | slef | a checkout-now button on koha/reserve/request.pl might work |
| 17:03 | but then the button would need a label of "Hold/Checkout" which may also be cumbersome | |
| 17:04 | fredpierre | we do a partial barcode search - I think it is kohaextras |
| 17:04 | oleonard | Whether it's the basket or the search to hold the problem is still that it's biblio-level |
| 17:05 | slef | oleonard: I thought you could hold a particular item? |
| 17:05 | fredpierre | otherwise you would have to copy the barcode over hmmm |
| 17:05 | slef | kohaextras? |
| 17:05 | fredpierre | you could hold it, but it won't come up in checkout if you don't scan it |
| 17:05 | oleonard | what I mean is that if you wanted a link on the search results page that said "check out to this patron" like there is "hold for this patron" you'd have a problem |
| 17:06 | slef | oic |
| 17:06 | fredpierre | kohaextras are up on sourceforge as an addition to koha - you have to create links to the various functions |
| 17:06 | slef | kohaextras? |
| 17:06 | wahanui | kohaextras are up on sourceforge as an addition to koha - you have to create links to the various functions |
| 17:06 | slef | :) |
| 17:06 | thank you fredpierre | |
| 17:07 | ok sorry where on sourceforge? | |
| 17:07 | fredpierre | the specific kohaextra script we use is kohabib.php - does a biblio search |
| 17:07 | by title, author, or isbn number | |
| 17:08 | slef | ah right... php won't integrate easily |
| 17:08 | fredpierre | that's true - we actually run it on a separate server, but could run on the koha server |
| 17:10 | there has to be a way to do this using our custom reports function, then add it in as a tool for circ | |
| 17:11 | http://sourceforge.net/projects/kohastowextras/ | |
| 17:11 | It's the kohabib.php - could be translated to create a custom report? | |
| 17:12 | collum | The checkout functionality and partial barcodes sound like a library that came over from Horizon. |
| 17:12 | When you are at a bib in Horizon you can press F10 | |
| 17:12 | fredpierre | oops sorry its actually the kohabarcode.php script that does it |
| 17:12 | collum | for a list of options in which to send the barcode. |
| 17:13 | Checkout being one of them. | |
| 17:13 | Partial barcodes are done with a barcode suffix. | |
| 17:14 | All of our barcodes start with the same 5 numbers, have padded 0s, and then a unique identifier. | |
| 17:14 | wizzyrea | collum: I've been enjoying signing off on your patches :) |
| 17:14 | collum | Thanks for signing them off. :-) |
| 17:14 | fredpierre | $query = "select * from biblio, items |
| 17:15 | where items.biblionumber = biblio.biblionumber and items.barcode LIKE '%".$barcode."%' | |
| 17:15 | order by items.location , items.itemcallnumber limit 0,100"; | |
| 17:15 | wizzyrea | collum: love those test plans <3 |
| 17:15 | makes it soooo easy | |
| 17:16 | collum | NP |
| 17:18 | slef | collum: that might explain how they've got away without fixing the barcode workflow long enough for their collection to get so big. |
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| 17:19 | cait | hi #koha |
| 17:21 | oleonard | wizzyrea: If you love test plans then try Bug 3215 |
| 17:21 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3215 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , It would be nice if "Add to Cart" changed to "Remove from Cart" |
| 17:23 | wizzyrea | ooo |
| 17:23 | will do right after this one I'm doing right now | |
| 17:23 | cait | wizzyrea++ |
| 17:24 | you are great :) | |
| 17:24 | we should tell you more often | |
| 17:24 | wizzyrea | oh sheesh. no where near as great as most of you, but thank you |
| 17:26 | hdl | koha extra reminds me of kohaplus... |
| 17:27 | http://sourceforge.net/projects/koha-plus/ | |
| 17:27 | paul_p | time to leave for me... |
| 17:27 | * collum | was on the phone. Not suffix, prefix. Doh! The prefix for borrower barcode and item barcode is defined in the admin parameters. |
| 17:30 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #611 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #605 2 j 19 h ago) |
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| 17:36 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7190' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]69f67068f213e2d68> / bug_7190: Do not reverse writeoffs when item is returned <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8a6660d54a3fe6119> |
| 17:40 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 17:40 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -7.8°C (6:39 PM CET on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025.3 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:41 | drojf1 | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 17:41 | huginn` | drojf1: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -6.6°C (6:13 PM CET on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 30.63 in 1037.1 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:41 | drojf1 | omg its warmer :) |
| 17:41 | kde says -8° though | |
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| 17:42 | cait | hi drojf1 :) |
| 17:42 | drojf1 | hi cait :) |
| 17:42 | nice weather you got there ;) | |
| 17:43 | cait | I am still thawing from my walk home |
| 17:43 | how is your import script doing? | |
| 17:43 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 17:43 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0°C (6:20 PM CET on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: -18.0°C. Windchill: -16.0°C. Pressure: 30.63 in 1037 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:44 | magnuse | windchill-- |
| 17:44 | drojf1 | great! major step forward yesterday. after ~13h of work, until 1:30 in the morning :D |
| 17:44 | how did the upgrade go? | |
| 17:44 | cait | ouch |
| 17:44 | totally smooth | |
| 17:44 | all we got so far was: yes, turn that feature on plz! and 'we love the new fast add workflow!' | |
| 17:44 | drojf1 | magnuse: bodø is warmer than i remember it :D |
| 17:44 | cait | :) |
| 17:45 | drojf1 | cait: that's good to hear |
| 17:45 | cait | so many good reasons to love koha :) |
| 17:45 | drojf1 | i dont even remember what version is on my test install. have to upgrade before the import |
| 17:46 | and redo our changes in tt | |
| 17:46 | and really learn git | |
| 17:46 | so i never have to do them egain | |
| 17:46 | cait | apart from that it should be no problem I think |
| 17:46 | drojf1 | *again |
| 17:46 | magnuse | drojf1: the windchill makes it colder than it looks... |
| 17:49 | drojf1 | yeah, we had windchill around that here the last days. i took a walk for half an hour a few days ago and my face almost fell off afterwards. no fun |
| 17:49 | * cait | nods |
| 17:50 | cait | winter has arrived finally |
| 17:50 | drojf1 | i actually ordered a buff after that walk and it just arrived |
| 17:51 | i like winter. in general. but after the hot christmas last year i was already in spring mood :( | |
| 17:52 | cait | yeah |
| 17:52 | drojf1 | "hot" |
| 17:52 | cait | same here |
| 17:56 | slef | the USA will have 6 more weeks of winter. A rodent told them. |
| 17:57 | * chris_n | has yet to see winter in the USA |
| 17:57 | collum | That's what I was about to say. |
| 17:58 | chris_n | and I have my opinion of rodents |
| 17:58 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 17:58 | huginn` | oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 7.0°C (12:50 PM EST on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:00 | wizzyrea | paul_p++ that tester thingie is neato |
| 18:02 | oleonard | tester thingie? |
| 18:03 | wizzyrea | yea |
| 18:03 | sec | |
| 18:03 | http://pro.test5.biblibre.com/ test:test | |
| 18:05 | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Sandboxes | |
| 18:06 | catalogue.test5.biblibre.com | |
| 18:06 | for that particular bug. | |
| 18:07 | oleonard | Needs some sample biblio data eh? |
| 18:09 | slef | chris_n: dirty rats? |
| 18:09 | chris_n | that's getting there :) |
| 18:24 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #611: STILL UNSTABLE in 54 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/611/ |
| 18:24 | srdjan: bug_7190: Do not reverse writeoffs when item is returned | |
| 18:27 | slef | I love the title on bug 922 |
| 18:27 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=922 normal, P2, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, koha.upgrade produces password error when upgrading MARC tables |
| 18:27 | slef | wrong |
| 18:28 | bug 6922 | |
| 18:28 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6922 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , staff should be able to have children |
| 18:29 | * magnuse | grumbles about staff who want to have it all... |
| 18:32 | cait | lol |
| 18:32 | magnuse: I would think you could just have a staff and a normal account | |
| 18:33 | and I can even think of some good reasons for that | |
| 18:34 | magnuse | that would be too easy! |
| 18:36 | slef | http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab[…]/welsh-road-sign/ |
| 18:38 | magnuse | slef: that's epic! |
| 18:38 | slef | what would people think to a checkout button under where it says "Available" on the item table in catalogue/detail.pl ? |
| 18:39 | I think it needs some intense refactoring in circ/circulation.pl though. | |
| 18:41 | cait | what is the use case? |
| 18:41 | wahanui | somebody said the use case was multiple callnumbers sequences (implemented in table) which should trigger increment on save to prevent gaps in ranges |
| 18:41 | cait | not sure I understand |
| 18:41 | magnuse | wahanui: forget the use case |
| 18:41 | wahanui | magnuse: I forgot use case |
| 18:42 | slef | cait: books without barcodes *sigh* |
| 18:42 | cait | slef: a checkout button sounds dangerous to me |
| 18:42 | ah | |
| 18:42 | well... no check then that you are really on the right page | |
| 18:42 | and have the right item... | |
| 18:42 | or have a book to checkout on the desk at all | |
| 18:43 | slef | they have the book in front of them |
| 18:43 | they claim not to care tracking copies between circulations (I know I know) | |
| 18:44 | cait | what's so bad about having barcodes? |
| 18:45 | slef | they are where they are... many books, shelfmarks labelled on them but not barcoded |
| 18:45 | the other option is to provide it as a fallback search like in bug 1081 | |
| 18:45 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1081 enhancement, P2, ---, chris, NEW , Checkout should fall back on patron card search if item barcode not found |
| 18:45 | cait | hm |
| 18:46 | and what would you fall back on? | |
| 18:46 | * jcamins_away | looks in to see if he's missed anything. |
| 18:46 | slef | and only checkout if it uniquely identifies the book |
| 18:46 | cait | ah |
| 18:46 | fall back on th eshelf mark? | |
| 18:46 | slef | enteredBarcode% or shelfmark or title-stem |
| 18:46 | cait | why not just move the shelf marks into the barcode fields? |
| 18:46 | slef | multiple copies of some |
| 18:46 | cait | or use the nice new fast add feature :) |
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| 18:47 | slef | barcodes must be unique, musn't they? |
| 18:47 | cait | yes |
| 18:47 | jcamins_away | Oh, I love libraries like that. |
| 18:47 | magnuse | @quote get 123 |
| 18:48 | huginn` | magnuse: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 18:48 | slef | living with the legacy! yeah, rock on! |
| 18:52 | marc21? | |
| 18:52 | wahanui | marc21 is at http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]hic/ecbdlist.html , http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ecadlist.html |
| 18:56 | slef | hi nengard! |
| 18:56 | nengard | howdy |
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| 19:06 | slef | nengard: you ever seen a library wanting to checkout by shelfmark? |
| 19:06 | jcamins_away | slef: I have. |
| 19:06 | slef: that's very common, actualy. | |
| 19:06 | slef | jcamins_away: so any reason it's not in koha yet? |
| 19:06 | or just lack of time? | |
| 19:07 | jcamins_away | slef: not enough toits. ;) |
| 19:07 | oleonard-away | What is it with people and video tutorials? I would much rather read instructions. |
| 19:07 | jcamins_away | I usually just push for putting the shelfmark in the barcode field, and assign new shelfmarks to duplicates. |
| 19:08 | Since the alternative is generally paying to have the feature developed, most libraries decide to do that. | |
| 19:09 | nengard | slef is the shelfmark the call number? |
| 19:09 | if so - no | |
| 19:09 | I have had libraries ask to be able to do it by title though | |
| 19:10 | jcamins_away | slef: it's usually done by historic libraries. |
| 19:11 | slef | this library asked for title as another fallback! |
| 19:11 | jcamins_away | Okay, that seems a bit excessive. |
| 19:11 | (using both) | |
| 19:11 | slef | oh I think it was either/or |
| 19:12 | can we have this, if not can we have that | |
| 19:12 | jcamins_away | Got it. |
| 19:12 | That makes sense. | |
| 19:17 | nengard | the way it would have to work in Koha is that you can search by title on the checkout page and then maybe Koha lets you enter a barcode for that item before you check it out - cause barcode is required for checking out |
| 19:18 | jcamins_away | slef: wait, didn't eythian do a patch for this? |
| 19:18 | I think he did recently. | |
| 19:20 | slef | jcamins_away: ooh any idea where? |
| 19:20 | logs? | |
| 19:20 | wahanui | logs are at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 19:20 | cait | hm |
| 19:21 | I think he did some work on checking out withoug cardnumbers | |
| 19:21 | not sure about chekcing out without item barcodes | |
| 19:21 | jcamins_away | cait: oh, that might be it. |
| 19:21 | cait | another 123 thing |
| 19:21 | slef | 123 thing? |
| 19:21 | jcamins_away | bug 1081 |
| 19:21 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1081 enhancement, P2, ---, chris, NEW , Checkout should fall back on patron card search if item barcode not found |
| 19:21 | jcamins_away | @quote get 123 |
| 19:21 | huginn` | jcamins_away: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 19:21 | slef | 123 thing is <reply> @quote get 123 |
| 19:22 | 123 thing? | |
| 19:22 | wahanui | @quote get 123 |
| 19:22 | huginn` | wahanui: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 19:22 | wahanui | ...but quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is <reply>... |
| 19:25 | slef | Bug 7494 Submitted |
| 19:25 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7494 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Use partial barcode or callnumber as a fallback for the barcode search in checkout |
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| 19:44 | fredpierre | SELECT * FROM biblio a INNER JOIN items b WHERE b.biblionumber = a.biblionumber AND b.barcode LIKE '%9002811064%'; |
| 19:46 | I know we can input to the reports generator using code like <<input | authority>> but could we input a barcode? | |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | sure |
| 19:46 | <<Enter barcode>> | |
| 19:46 | should do it | |
| 19:46 | fredpierre | Thanks! |
| 19:47 | wizzyrea | which makes me think of a FAQ |
| 19:47 | ...that I should add. | |
| 19:58 | oleonard | Whoops, forgot to /back |
| 19:58 | * oleonard | did not in fact just stagger in from a three-martini lunch |
| 19:59 | wizzyrea | mhm |
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| 20:02 | Space_Librarian | morning #koha |
| 20:03 | wizzyrea | hi! |
| 20:03 | cait | morning Space_Librarian |
| 20:03 | * Space_Librarian | waves to cait and wizzyrea |
| 20:04 | Brooke joined #koha | |
| 20:04 | fredpierre | Can anybody tell me why this is not working when I paste it into SQL reports? |
| 20:04 | SELECT * FROM biblio a INNER JOIN items b ON b.biblionumber = a.biblionumber AND b.barcode LIKE '%<<Enter barcode>>%' ORDER BY b.location LIMIT 0,10; | |
| 20:05 | For partial barcode search - it works when I use SQLYog | |
| 20:05 | I am pasting it into the Koha interface under Reports tool | |
| 20:05 | kathryn joined #koha | |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea | LIKE <<Enter barcode, example: %partial%>> |
| 20:05 | jcamins_away | fredpierre: it adds spaces. |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea | and quotes |
| 20:05 | Brooke | hi Kathryn |
| 20:05 | jcamins_away | I think. |
| 20:06 | Space_Librarian | Morning kathryn |
| 20:06 | morning Brooke | |
| 20:06 | wizzyrea | hi kathryn :) |
| 20:06 | fredpierre: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]html#customreport | |
| 20:06 | that should help explain | |
| 20:06 | Brooke | morena, madame |
| 20:07 | kathryn | Space_Librarian and wizzyrea good morning! |
| 20:07 | * Space_Librarian | waves |
| 20:07 | kathryn | and a good morning to all! |
| 20:07 | cait | good morning kathryn :) |
| 20:07 | * kathryn | hopes it's a happy wave! |
| 20:08 | Space_Librarian | 'tis |
| 20:08 | kathryn | hi cait, happy friday! |
| 20:08 | phew! | |
| 20:08 | Space_Librarian | just ironing out wrinkles now. |
| 20:08 | let me know when eythian is in - I need to check something with him. But otherwise all good. | |
| 20:09 | cait | kathryn: still thursday evening here :) |
| 20:09 | oleonard | Right, some of us may still not make it! |
| 20:13 | kathryn | oh yeah! he he bit of schoolboy error there |
| 20:16 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 20:16 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is -8.0°C (9:00 PM CET on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Rising). |
| 20:17 | oleonard | Brrr. |
| 20:18 | cait | yeah :( |
| 20:18 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 20:18 | huginn` | chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 20.0°C (3:15 PM EST on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:18 | chris_n | and they call that "winter" |
| 20:18 | cait | good night #koha |
| 20:18 | Brooke | night |
| 20:18 | wizzyrea | pff that isn't winter |
| 20:18 | chris_n | g'night |
| 20:18 | wizzyrea | gnite cait |
| 20:18 | cait | :) |
| 20:18 | * chris_n | would trade with cait |
| 20:18 | Brooke | wahanui friday? |
| 20:18 | wahanui | well, friday is It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday |
| 20:18 | cait | and I would trade with you :) |
| 20:19 | jcamins_away | @wunder 11375 |
| 20:19 | huginn` | jcamins_away: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 6.1°C (3:02 PM EST on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa. |
| 20:19 | wizzyrea | @wunder lawrence ks |
| 20:19 | huginn` | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 16.7°C (2:19 PM CST on February 02, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:19 | wizzyrea | that is nuts. |
| 20:19 | oleonard | Whoa. |
| 20:19 | * Brooke | pictures Owen as Keanu Reeves. |
| 20:20 | cait left #koha | |
| 20:20 | * oleonard | laments that he is more 'Day the Earth Stood Still' Keanu than 'Matrix' Keanu |
| 20:30 | fredpierre | I still can't get this partial barcode search working from custom reports. Any ideas? |
| 20:30 | SELECT biblio.title FROM biblio LEFT JOIN items ON items.biblionumber = biblio.biblionumber WHERE items.barcode LIKE '%90028110%' ORDER BY items.location LIMIT 0,10; | |
| 20:31 | Oh, now it is working. | |
| 20:31 | * chris_n | likes those sort of problems :) |
| 20:31 | fredpierre | guess I had a typo or something... |
| 20:33 | it's when I add the <<Enter partial barcode>> that i run into problems | |
| 20:34 | Of course I am putting it into the string comparison '%<<Enter partial barcode>>%' maybe that's the problem | |
| 20:34 | jcamins_away | Yes, you can't do that. |
| 20:34 | It needs to be <<Enter barcode like %90028110%>> | |
| 20:34 | chris_n | I'm having requests for the capability to track item usage notes |
| 20:35 | said notes should be entered on checkout | |
| 20:35 | fredpierre | thanks jcamins! |
| 20:35 | chris_n | and searchable |
| 20:35 | jcamins_away | chris_n: you can't use private notes? |
| 20:36 | chris_n | lemme give a usage case and we'll see |
| 20:36 | this is to be used for the circulation of A/V materials by faculty with a view toward avoiding repeat showings/listenings in too close time proximity | |
| 20:37 | so there needs to be a "history" of sorts of usage | |
| 20:37 | but more than time/date stamps | |
| 20:37 | jcamins_away | Ah. |
| 20:37 | So, no, not at all what I was envisioning. | |
| 20:37 | chris_n | sort of an academic thing |
| 20:37 | * chris_n | wonders if there would be any larger interest in such a feature |
| 20:38 | jcamins_away | What about a report that shows items that have been checked out more than N times in a certain time period by a single person? |
| 20:39 | chris_n | jcamins_away: that might work except person_a might have used the material for class_a, class_b, etc. |
| 20:39 | trea-away left #koha | |
| 20:39 | jcamins_away | chris_n: how would they know which class it was for at all? |
| 20:39 | chris_n | that's the problem exactly |
| 20:39 | jcamins_away | But, how do they know with the notes, either? |
| 20:40 | chris_n | right now, its a... paper log... :-/ |
| 20:40 | jcamins_away | So they ask, and write it down? |
| 20:40 | oleonard | Google Doc? :P |
| 20:42 | chris_n | yes |
| 20:42 | sorry, phone | |
| 20:42 | they write it down | |
| 20:42 | rangi | !jenkins build koha_master now |
| 20:42 | jenkins_koha | rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now |
| 20:42 | chris_n | I've suggested the google doc |
| 20:42 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #612 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #605 2 j 22 h ago) |
| 20:43 | chris_n | no-go |
| 20:43 | so... I think I'll have to code up such a feature | |
| 20:44 | we have a huge A/V library and they are wanting me to code up a crosswalk so that Koha can write mp3 tags and such | |
| 20:44 | jcamins_away | That's kind of cool. |
| 20:44 | * chris_n | has been running from this for a looong time |
| 20:44 | jcamins_away | Not sure what the use is, but it sounds cool. |
| 20:44 | chris_n | but its about to catch me :) |
| 20:45 | jcamins_away: we catalog in-house recordings in Koha | |
| 20:45 | jcamins_away | chris_n: ah. |
| 20:45 | chris_n | so generating mp3 tags from the data entered would be very handy and time reducing |
| 20:46 | Brooke | interessante |
| 20:46 | chris_n | single-point data entry |
| 20:46 | also having koha retrieve mp3 headers for new audio media publicly available would be nice as well | |
| 20:46 | sorta like your mp3 player does | |
| 20:47 | * chris_n | is trying to keep from having to support a completely separate in-house application |
| 20:48 | Brooke | just don't make it sort and search like my mp3 player ;) |
| 20:48 | chris_n | hmm |
| 20:48 | imagine | |
| 20:48 | oleonard | Good idea, let's build OpenOffice into Koha so that we can write books as we catalog ;) |
| 20:48 | chris_n | plug up your mp3 player to your local koha and "check out" a playlist |
| 20:48 | * Brooke | won't be happy until everything is rolled into Koha |
| 20:49 | cjh | Koha OS ? |
| 20:49 | chris_n | lol |
| 20:49 | * oleonard | hands SevenofNine her official jumpsuit |
| 20:50 | chris_n | well, with a large audio library of, say, class lectures, using Koha to index and provide search capabilities makes a powerful resource |
| 20:51 | using key words, topics, etc | |
| 20:52 | the mp3 tag "thingy" could simply be a separate app which slurps data from koha's db | |
| 20:52 | but the ability to track specific usage is probably best done as a function of circulation | |
| 20:53 | jcamins_away | chris_n: have your media server use SIP to record circulations? |
| 20:53 | chris_n | there's a thought |
| 20:54 | jcamins_away | Actually... |
| 20:54 | That's kind of a good idea. | |
| 20:54 | Brooke | bah, back to the drawing board for me. |
| 20:54 | chris_n | I had suggested using RFID to handle circulation |
| 20:55 | jcamins_away | chris_n: but you said they're digital recordings. |
| 20:55 | chris_n | the vast majority are |
| 20:55 | jcamins_away | chris_n: right, so RFID wouldn't work for that. |
| 20:55 | chris_n | some are physical |
| 20:55 | ie CD/DVD/VHS/etc | |
| 20:56 | jcamins_away | Yeah, RFID for those makes sense. |
| 21:05 | rangi | http://www.zotero.org/blog/zotero-3-0-is-here/ <-- very cool |
| 21:05 | wizzyrea | oooh |
| 21:05 | nengard should be pleased :) | |
| 21:05 | Space_Librarian | morning rangi - all fine on the home front? |
| 21:06 | nengard | OOOO |
| 21:06 | rangi | getting better, 1 kid with my parents, one at school, hopefully laurel out of hospital today |
| 21:06 | wizzyrea | getting_well++ |
| 21:06 | rangi | so i have until around 2pm to do all the stuff i was gonna do to get ready for VALA next week |
| 21:06 | Space_Librarian | *fingers crossed* Hope she's feeling better. |
| 21:07 | rangi | including check we actually have a working koha on a laptop |
| 21:07 | :) | |
| 21:07 | bad timing all round | |
| 21:07 | Space_Librarian | always fun times. |
| 21:07 | yeah - interesting times. | |
| 21:08 | rangi | yup |
| 21:08 | http://soundcloud.com/prettylights/we-must-go-on | |
| 21:08 | Guillaume joined #koha | |
| 21:10 | * oleonard | waves goodbye to #koha |
| 21:10 | wizzyrea | byee! |
| 21:10 | rangi | cya oleonard |
| 21:10 | jcamins_away | Bye. |
| 21:10 | rangi | wow 3 ppl got in ;) |
| 21:10 | wizzyrea | I think he intentionally waits a few seconds now :) |
| 21:10 | jcamins_away | I think so. |
| 21:12 | Space_Librarian | lol |
| 21:13 | rangi | wizzyrea takes an early lead |
| 21:13 | 5 sign offs in feb already | |
| 21:13 | can anyone catch her? | |
| 21:14 | nengard | i can't get zotero to work with FF 10 |
| 21:14 | jcamins_away | nengard: time for the standalone version, I guess. |
| 21:15 | nengard | i do have it |
| 21:15 | but it's not as nice | |
| 21:15 | jcamins_away | nengard: at least it works, though, right? |
| 21:15 | nengard | i can't figure out how to save the current webpage i'm on in the stand along version |
| 21:15 | alone | |
| 21:16 | rangi | drojf1: this one is for you http://soundcloud.com/official[…]per-x-cro-nie-auf |
| 21:17 | drojf1 | rangi: how do i deserve a song? :) |
| 21:17 | aleksa joined #koha | |
| 21:18 | rangi | drojf1: by speaking german and a german song coming into my playlist? :-) |
| 21:19 | drojf1 | i see :) |
| 21:24 | nengard left #koha | |
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| 21:31 | jcamins_away | Wow! |
| 21:32 | "The library's online catalog will be unavailable from 1:00 pm on Friday, February 3 until Sunday, February 5 due to a system upgrade." | |
| 21:32 | rangi | what library is that? |
| 21:32 | jcamins_away | That's a lot of downtime for a hosted system. |
| 21:32 | rangi | yup |
| 21:32 | jcamins_away | The Grolier Club. They use Virtua, I think. |
| 21:33 | magnus_afk | yikes! |
| 21:33 | g'night #koha | |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | oy! |
| 21:37 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 21:37 | Project Koha_master build #612: FIXED in 54 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/612/ | |
| 21:37 | rangi | yay |
| 21:37 | at least i got one thing done this week | |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | yippee! |
| 21:38 | jcamins_away | Okay, time to turn into a pumpkin. |
| 21:38 | so long. | |
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| 21:49 | mib_0mqdmp joined #koha | |
| 21:52 | JesseM left #koha | |
| 22:25 | fredpierre | Bravo! |
| 22:27 | I'm following Guillaume, Jesse,kathryn and mib. Have a great day! | |
| 22:28 | rangi | cya fredpierre |
| 22:28 | wizzyrea | hey what about me! |
| 22:28 | oh | |
| 22:28 | wait | |
| 22:28 | not on twitter. | |
| 22:28 | rangi | lol |
| 22:28 | wizzyrea | :) |
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| 22:34 | Space_Librarian | hey BobB |
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| 23:06 | rangi | wizzyrea: 1328223203 - 1328223959 |
| 23:06 | wahanui | -756 |
| 23:06 | wizzyrea | pardon? |
| 23:07 | rangi | ah ha |
| 23:07 | If the timestamp is equal to stats(time - uptime) then the item have got an infinite expiration | |
| 23:07 | uptime 756 | |
| 23:07 | so yeah, the caching of frameworks, its setting an infinite time | |
| 23:08 | wizzyrea | this explains catalogers. They have infinite time to be anal. |
| 23:08 | rangi | heh |
| 23:08 | wizzyrea | ba dum bum. :) |
| 23:08 | and bless em | |
| 23:09 | lol what problem are you working on | |
| 23:09 | rangi | if you have memcached on |
| 23:09 | and you change your framework, changes wont show | |
| 23:09 | wizzyrea | oooo |
| 23:13 | rangi | hmmm |
| 23:28 | ah ha! | |
| 23:29 | solved | |
| 23:32 | 1328225520 - 1328226103 | |
| 23:32 | wahanui | -583 |
| 23:32 | rangi | yep thats got it |
| 23:32 | i will send patches | |
| 23:35 | thats a nasty one | |
| 23:37 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]hment.cgi?id=7426 | |
| 23:37 | we were setting it in the wrong place, everything was being cached forever | |
| 23:40 | @later tell paul_p please look at bug 7432 | |
| 23:40 | huginn` | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
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