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| 00:36 | librarygeekadam joined #koha | |
| 00:36 | librarygeekadam | good evening to everyone |
| 00:36 | I have a quick question if anyone can be of assistance | |
| 00:37 | I just installed Koha 3.06.02 on a single Ubuntu laptop following the instructions on the community page | |
| 00:37 | i am editing "Item Types" | |
| 00:37 | I am not given the option to add Renewals | |
| 00:38 | How many times a patron can renew an item | |
| 00:38 | any ideas? | |
| 00:42 | perhaps another question...can i revert my Koha back to the web install parts? | |
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| 00:49 | Brooke | o/ |
| 01:02 | magnus++ | |
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| 02:55 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.6.2 & 3.4.7 & 3.2.11 are now available ; Next General IRC Meeting 8 February at 2:00 UTC+0 | http://www.koha-community.org | http://paste.koha-community.org | |
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| 06:13 | cait | hi #koha |
| 07:17 | alex_a | morning cait |
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| 07:26 | cait | morning alex_a :) |
| 07:30 | magnuse | good morning cait, alex_a and #koha |
| 07:30 | cait | good morning magnuse :) |
| 07:30 | is there any reason we use different xslt for displaying itemtype images in opac and staff? | |
| 07:31 | magnuse | no idea |
| 07:31 | alex_a | goooood morniiiing magnuse |
| 07:31 | magnuse | yay! |
| 07:31 | alex_a | :) |
| 07:31 | cait | heh |
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| 07:32 | marcelr | hi koha |
| 07:34 | cait | hi marcelr :) |
| 07:34 | marcelr | hi cait |
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| 07:36 | cait | oh |
| 07:36 | a new paul_p_android incarnation :) | |
| 07:36 | bonjour paul_p_android | |
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| 07:36 | paul_p_android | hello world! |
| 07:36 | marcelr | hi paul |
| 07:37 | cait__ | waves |
| 07:37 | paul_p_android | meetong with a future customer this morning... |
| 07:37 | cait | good luck :) |
| 07:37 | magnuse | yeah, good luck paul_p_android |
| 07:38 | cait | work time - brb |
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| 07:39 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:39 | magnuse | bonjour! |
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| 07:40 | marcelr | hi magnuse |
| 07:40 | & reiveune | |
| 07:40 | magnuse | hiya marcelr |
| 07:41 | paul_p_android | marcelr. is there a chance that you come to the hackfest? |
| 07:42 | marcelr | paul_p: i was still hoping, but i do not think so now ... |
| 07:42 | paul_p_android | :-(( |
| 07:42 | marcelr | too bad |
| 07:42 | cait___ | oh :-( |
| 07:47 | t | |
| 07:48 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 07:48 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (8:20 AM CET on January 26, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:52 | magnuse | windy here today - reports of up to 38 meters/second this night and more to come today... |
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| 07:55 | cait___ | @wunder konstanz |
| 07:55 | huginn` | cait___: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.4°C (8:54 AM CET on January 26, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Steady). |
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| 08:05 | magnuse | the newsletter says "Koha 3.6.3 is scheduled for release on 25 January 2012." wasn't that yesterday? |
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| 08:06 | asaurat | hi |
| 08:09 | cait___ | translations |
| 08:10 | magnuse | ? |
| 08:11 | francharb | morning |
| 08:13 | marcelr | hi asaurat & francharb |
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| 08:26 | kf | back :) |
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| 08:49 | rangi | back |
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| 09:07 | rangi | marcelr: you had a question about caching? |
| 09:08 | marcelr | yes, you saw bugzilla |
| 09:08 | ? | |
| 09:08 | rangi | yup |
| 09:08 | marcelr | pref is not used? |
| 09:08 | rangi | the usecache syspref is used in another bug |
| 09:09 | 7243 | |
| 09:09 | marcelr | i will look there |
| 09:09 | rangi | hmm or something liket hat |
| 09:09 | ill find it for ya | |
| 09:10 | marcelr | must be another onbe |
| 09:11 | rangi | bug 7249 |
| 09:11 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7249 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Report webservices |
| 09:11 | rangi | thats it |
| 09:11 | marcelr | ok |
| 09:11 | rangi | the env stuff was added recently, after that patch was written |
| 09:11 | im not sure i like it | |
| 09:12 | marcelr | no it adds another approach to prefs |
| 09:12 | rangi | yeah |
| 09:13 | 7249 allows this | |
| 09:13 | http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]/svc/report?id=15 | |
| 09:13 | and this | |
| 09:13 | http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]/svc/report?id=13 | |
| 09:14 | which in turn allows you to do | |
| 09:14 | http://academy17.catalyst.net.[…]s/Koha/start.html | |
| 09:14 | with jquery | |
| 09:14 | (its what we had the highschool students doing) | |
| 09:15 | marcelr | ok |
| 09:15 | rangi | </blather> |
| 09:17 | also, 7248, (when its fixed) allows bug 7387 | |
| 09:17 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7387 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, chris, Needs Signoff , Add Template::Toolkit plugin to allow caching of includes |
| 09:19 | magnuse | is there some other development that clashes with this? |
| 09:21 | rangi | hmm dont think so |
| 09:22 | magnuse | ah, i misunderstood something earlier then - never mind |
| 09:23 | rangi | marcelr: ill get chrisdothall to take a look at the bug tomorrow |
| 09:23 | marcelr | good |
| 09:27 | rangi | magnuse: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]e_Debian_packages <-- good write up |
| 09:28 | magnuse | thanks, rangi - there's probably room for improvement, but it's a start |
| 09:28 | rangi | yup |
| 09:28 | magnuse | and hopefully lots of people will need something like that ;-) |
| 09:28 | rangi | :) |
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| 09:49 | fabio_t | hi kohaphiles! :) |
| 10:07 | kf | hi fabio_t |
| 10:08 | fabio_t | hi there kf |
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| 10:27 | kf | hi asaurat1 |
| 10:27 | still having problems with the wifi? | |
| 10:29 | asaurat1 | hi kf ! no connection pb but I just had to move my laptop for a meeting =) |
| 10:30 | kf | :) |
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| 12:57 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:59 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6536] Z3950 Enhancements: SRU targets, MARC conversion, additional XSLT processing <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6536> |
| 12:59 | oleonard | Hey, huginn` has been updated |
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| 13:11 | kf_lunch | hi oleonard - cool :) |
| 13:18 | gmcharlt++ | |
| 13:25 | marcelr | huginn was confused about 6536.. |
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| 13:29 | druthb | o/ |
| 13:31 | magnuse | \o |
| 13:40 | kf_lunch | marcelr: why confused? |
| 13:47 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 13:47 | huginn` | gmcharlt: Quote #144: "library_systems_guy: (xslt) looks like html and lisp had an ugly baby." (added by wizzyrea at 08:48 PM, June 30, 2011) |
| 13:49 | marcelr | kf: since 6536 changed back to assigned instead of needs signoff |
| 13:49 | druthb | @quote random |
| 13:49 | huginn` | druthb: Quote #47: "pianohacker bah, go collision attack the front of a moving car" (added by brendan at 10:15 PM, November 16, 2009) |
| 13:49 | druthb | lulz |
| 13:50 | oleonard | So wait, huginn` isn't giving us the right message? |
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| 13:50 | marcelr | seems so |
| 13:51 | kf_lunch | when I checked it was set to sign off |
| 13:51 | I mean needs sign-off | |
| 13:51 | marcelr | it was till i changed it to assigne |
| 13:51 | kf_lunch | ah |
| 13:52 | hm | |
| 13:52 | perhaps it gives us bugs leaving the needs sign-off status now instead of those entering it? | |
| 13:52 | marcelr | should status change be done there still |
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| 14:19 | * oleonard | grumbles about the addition of a "supplierid" attribute to an HTML input tag |
| 14:26 | mbalmer | hi, I have a printing question: as anybody used an EPSON T M-T88 receipt printer, connected serially to a Linux machine? |
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| 14:39 | oleonard | mbalmer: I've only ever used the T-1000 and I could never get it to talk to Linux. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:T-1000_002.png |
| 14:39 | mbalmer | ok, I see. |
| 14:39 | oleonard | ;) |
| 14:41 | chris_n | 3.6.3 by noon est |
| 14:41 | so why is it that after completing a transfer the item status field still shows in transit? | |
| 14:42 | hdl | is updated when checked in |
| 14:44 | chris_n | ie. http://oi39.tinypic.com/2mma4y8.jpg |
| 14:45 | hdl: so after completing the transfer it is also necessary to check in at the branch? | |
| 14:45 | hdl | yep |
| 14:46 | oleonard | chris_n: What did you mean by "completing the transfer?" |
| 14:46 | hdl | but you'd better ask paul_p_ |
| 14:46 | this is what I experienced. | |
| 14:46 | chris_n | circ > transfer |
| 14:46 | when I attempt to check in, koha tells me its not checked out | |
| 14:47 | perhaps some background will help | |
| 14:47 | oleonard | chris_n: check-in won't tell you that a transfer has been made, not if the book has arrived at its destination |
| 14:47 | chris_n | one of our librarians check some books out while logged in under the wrong granch |
| 14:47 | branch eve | |
| 14:47 | even | |
| 14:47 | she later checked them in under the right branch | |
| 14:48 | now each of those items shows an "in transfer" status, but they are listed in the correct location (see screenshot above) | |
| 14:48 | feature or bug? | |
| 14:48 | :) | |
| 14:49 | oleonard | Bug. Checking them in should have removed the transfer status |
| 14:49 | * chris_n | wonders if this bug is in master |
| 14:49 | chris_n | we're still running 3.2.x |
| 14:50 | I'll file a bug report in a few moments | |
| 14:50 | I suppose I'll have to hack up some SQL to fix things in the db | |
| 14:51 | tnx hdl, oleonard | |
| 14:52 | hdl | chris_n: no problem |
| 14:52 | mbalmer | I found a CUPS driver for the ™-T88IV, but only for a different Linux distro |
| 14:52 | no we use a windows 7 PC ;) | |
| 14:55 | oleonard | chris_n: I can't reproduce that in master. Checked out at Branch A, checked in a Branch B. |
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| 15:06 | wizzyrea | oh yea |
| 15:06 | that's a known thing - 2x checkins on transits = bad | |
| 15:06 | there's a bug for it.... | |
| 15:07 | bug 6226 | |
| 15:07 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6226 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW , Returning a misrouted item twice causes transit to correct receiving library to disappear |
| 15:07 | * chris_n | looks |
| 15:07 | wizzyrea | I'd welcome a patch for that |
| 15:07 | NEKLS has a testing protocol for that one. | |
| 15:07 | :P | |
| 15:08 | easy to sign of on from here. | |
| 15:08 | s/of/off/ | |
| 15:09 | chris_n | wizzyrea: is that the same as what I'm seeing? |
| 15:10 | ie | |
| 15:10 | wizzyrea | either way, receiving a transit twice often causes weirdness |
| 15:10 | chris_n | check item out at branch a |
| 15:10 | return at branch b | |
| 15:10 | wizzyrea | I suspect it's a variant of this |
| 15:10 | chris_n | and end up with things looking as they do in my screenshot above? |
| 15:10 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 15:10 | chris_n | k |
| 15:10 | I'll add my notes to that bug them | |
| 15:11 | along with the screamshot | |
| 15:11 | oopps | |
| 15:11 | screenshot | |
| 15:11 | wizzyrea | it either ends up with a stuck transit, or a transit that disappears and orphans the item at the wrong branch |
| 15:11 | oleonard | I tried that: check item out a branch a, return at branch b... Couldn't reproduce in master. |
| 15:11 | wizzyrea | hehe screamshot |
| 15:12 | is that on master chris_n? | |
| 15:12 | i admit I haven't tried to reproduce that on master recently | |
| 15:12 | but we see the "double checkin does weird stuff" thing even now on 3.6.0 | |
| 15:13 | (for transits) | |
| 15:13 | chris_n | no, 3.2.x |
| 15:13 | wizzyrea | ah then yea |
| 15:13 | that bug and it's variants would be in full force. :P | |
| 15:13 | * chris_n | feels like doing a screamshot sometimes ;-) |
| 15:14 | wizzyrea | sometimes checking out and checking in the item clears the transit - sometimes. |
| 15:14 | chris_n | I'll try that |
| 15:14 | wizzyrea | this bug is the reason that nekls wants a "check status" that's separate from the check in box. |
| 15:15 | rangi and I talked about that - the catalog would work fine for that if you could just scan a barcode and bring back exactly the item you were looking for. | |
| 15:15 | we talked about a tickbox for "exact search" | |
| 15:15 | in the staff client catalog | |
| 15:15 | oh, and good morning. | |
| 15:16 | chris_n | interesting |
| 15:16 | wizzyrea | right now our librarians often want to quickly check an item, but scanning in the barcode to search doesn't bring back the item they're looking for |
| 15:16 | so they use the checkin | |
| 15:16 | chris_n | I just checked the item out at branch b and then in at branch a and the status corrected itself |
| 15:16 | wizzyrea | WOO! |
| 15:17 | nice :) | |
| 15:17 | chris_n | what a lot of work to do |
| 15:17 | wizzyrea | yea |
| 15:17 | chris_n | probably a dozen or more items are wrong :P |
| 15:17 | wizzyrea | oh yuck. |
| 15:17 | chris_n | bug_fixing++ |
| 15:17 | I'll add this case to the bug | |
| 15:17 | right after releasing 3.6.3, though ;-) | |
| 15:17 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 15:18 | chris_n | chrome application short cuts are very slick and extremely useful for anyone interested |
| 15:18 | they allow you to run multiple independent log-ins to koha under the same user account | |
| 15:19 | wizzyrea | *nod* did you happen to get kiosk mode working with silent printing? |
| 15:19 | chris_n | w/o the chocolate chip cookies getting mixed up with the sugar cookies |
| 15:19 | wizzyrea | mmm cookies. |
| 15:19 | chris_n | wizzyrea: hmm.... not yet |
| 15:19 | wizzyrea | ah is no biggie |
| 15:19 | that's something I should probably look at | |
| 15:20 | the firefox update thing is really irritating | |
| 15:20 | chris_n | koha looks very slick inside an application-style window, though |
| 15:20 | wizzyrea | it nukes our printer settings and header/footer settings for receipts every time it updates |
| 15:20 | and it updates like, every month. | |
| 15:20 | chris_n | eekkk |
| 15:20 | wizzyrea | i'd switch us to chrome in a heartbeat |
| 15:22 | if only we could get kiosk silent printing :) | |
| 15:25 | * magnuse | waves |
| 15:28 | druthb | hi, magnus! |
| 15:28 | magnuse | howdy druthb |
| 15:29 | oleonard | Leave it to Internet Explorer to take a perfectly valid page and screw up the rendering |
| 15:29 | IE-- | |
| 15:30 | and IE 8 no less. | |
| 15:31 | * oleonard | wants that browser to die completely, no new version, nothing |
| 15:33 | magnuse | hear, hear |
| 15:33 | * chris_n | runs a final pass of the test suite before rolling up 3.6.3 |
| 15:33 | magnuse | woohoo! |
| 15:33 | chris_n | and we're go for lift-off |
| 15:36 | magnuse | chris_n++ |
| 15:37 | chris_n: i hope you will be able to include norwegian bokmål in the list of "Complete or near-complete translations" for 3.6.4 :-) | |
| 15:38 | chris_n | that would be great |
| 15:39 | 3.6.3 rolling up as you read this <--- | |
| 15:40 | hdl | congrats chris_n |
| 15:40 | magnuse | yeah, hooray for chris_n! |
| 15:42 | oleonard | chris_n++ |
| 15:43 | chris_n | and you may now get it @download.kc.org |
| 15:44 | wizzyrea | chris_n++ |
| 15:45 | chris_n | now to crow about it a bit :) |
| 15:45 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #32 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: FIXED) |
| 15:49 | chris_n | done deal |
| 15:50 | * wizzyrea | throws confetti |
| 15:50 | chris_n | mega bug fixes |
| 15:50 | * wizzyrea | puts out an array of hot, cold, bubbly, and not bubbly drinks for everyone to enjoy |
| 15:51 | maximep | haha |
| 15:51 | oleonard | Aw man, I only drink lukewarm slightly-bubbly drinks |
| 15:52 | * wizzyrea | gets room temperature, 30 minute old ginger ale for oleonard |
| 15:52 | druthb | >.< |
| 15:52 | ewwwww | |
| 15:54 | maximep | wizzyrea++ for making me laugh on this very bad morning |
| 15:55 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 15:57 | chris_n | 3.4.8 on saturday |
| 15:57 | wizzyrea | I'm always glad to hadn out laughs. |
| 15:57 | squee! | |
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| 15:58 | chris_n | 3.4.8 will have mega bugfixes too |
| 15:58 | that will be a hard branch to kill | |
| 15:58 | * chris_n | should use the more gentle "lay to rest" |
| 15:58 | wizzyrea | I think we're pretty generous in supporting 2 major releases back. |
| 15:59 | hdl is wise. | |
| 16:00 | * magnuse | starts building his packages from 3.6.3 |
| 16:02 | rangi | the problem with 3.4.x isnt that it's ill, it's that it is very solid |
| 16:02 | if it had problems, end of life would be an easy choice :) | |
| 16:04 | chris_n | exactly |
| 16:04 | rangi | stats out for 3.6.3, 3 patches from academy students, 2 from jransoms son connor (who is 14 .. our youngest committer yet I think) |
| 16:04 | hdl | is 3.6 the one ill then ? |
| 16:04 | chris_n | and barring any serious changes, it will probably stay that wy |
| 16:04 | way, even | |
| 16:04 | rangi | 3.6.x is solid too |
| 16:05 | http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]istics-for-3-6-3/ | |
| 16:06 | * magnuse | is a little bit worried by bug 7445 and has applied a quick-and-dirty patch for it, but has otherwise not had any complaints about 3.6.x |
| 16:06 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7445 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Clicking on a tag gives "Language ... does not exist" |
| 16:07 | rangi | magnuse: language picker so should be a TT plugin :) |
| 16:07 | cached using TT caching too | |
| 16:07 | oleonard | sekjal wants everything in a matrix, rangi wants everything in a TT plugin |
| 16:07 | magnuse | huh? i don't think this is related to the language picker |
| 16:08 | so a matrix of tt plugins = bliss | |
| 16:08 | rangi | nope, it just reminded me |
| 16:08 | magnuse | ah, ok, i'm less confused then ;-) |
| 16:09 | rangi | ok, the wind seems to have finally quietened down, going back to sleep |
| 16:10 | magnuse | ah, thaought it was a tad early for rangi... |
| 16:20 | chris_n | wizzyrea: updated bug 6226 |
| 16:20 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6226 major, P3, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW , Returning a misrouted item twice causes transit to correct receiving library to disappear |
| 16:24 | wizzyrea | chris_n++ thx |
| 16:24 | magnuse | gah, first attempt at building packages was tripped up by tests failing on database dependent tests - t/Koha_template_plugin_KohaDates.t and t/Reports.t |
| 16:25 | wizzyrea | hm what do they need |
| 16:25 | magnuse | i'm just getting "Can't connect to local MySQL server" |
| 16:25 | wizzyrea | bleh |
| 16:26 | magnuse | 'cause you shouldn't need mysql to build the packages |
| 16:26 | i think rangi said they could/should be moved to the dir for the db-dependent tests... | |
| 16:27 | * magnuse | rips them out and tries again and wanders off to make dinner |
| 16:27 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.6.x build #32: SUCCESS in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.6.x/32/ |
| 16:27 | * f.demians: Version 3.6.3 Strings Update | |
| 16:27 | * chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for 3.06.03.000 26 Jan 2012 15:06:56 Z | |
| 16:28 | * wizzyrea | throws more confetti, and adds a disco ball |
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| 16:35 | kf_mtg | whoohoo |
| 16:40 | wizzyrea | oo it looks like 7001 is going to require some updates to the tests. |
| 16:40 | possibly. | |
| 16:42 | * wizzyrea | just set up the pre-commit git hooks. very informative. |
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| 16:52 | * oleonard | supposes he should have a pre-comit hook which checks template and translator validity |
| 16:54 | reiveune | bye |
| 16:54 | reiveune left #koha | |
| 16:54 | kf_mtg | chris_n++ |
| 16:55 | chris_n | off to lunch |
| 16:55 | wizzyrea | that is a lunch well deserved. |
| 16:56 | oleonard | Bring a fine feast for the release maintainer! |
| 16:56 | * oleonard | looks around for the servants |
| 16:56 | kf_mtg | :) |
| 16:59 | oleonard++ | |
| 16:59 | will try to test asap | |
| 16:59 | wizzyrea | druthb++ |
| 16:59 | kf_mtg | druthb++ :) |
| 16:59 | for what this time | |
| 16:59 | ? | |
| 16:59 | wizzyrea | for finding the cause of an especially insidious problem |
| 17:00 | kf_mtg | yep, that sounds like her |
| 17:00 | wizzyrea | i kno rite?! |
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| 17:01 | * druthb | blushes |
| 17:01 | kf_mtg | :) |
| 17:02 | druthb | I'll have a maintenance script that helps with one of the problems in Bug 3069 out as a patch here in an hour or so. Worked a treat on one of our sites. |
| 17:02 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3069 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Koha Z39.50 client process discussion |
| 17:04 | wizzyrea | well and clearing the reservoir has always been a task that support companies do |
| 17:05 | trea | so, we need a clean reservoir cronjob? |
| 17:05 | wizzyrea | well yea |
| 17:05 | trea | in /etc/cron.monthly |
| 17:05 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 17:05 | this | |
| 17:05 | gmcharlt! | |
| 17:05 | trea | gmcharlt: o/ |
| 17:05 | hdl | gmcharlt: :D |
| 17:05 | gmcharlt | seriously, such a cronjob would be handy, with a couple cavets |
| 17:06 | first, since it's used both to cache Z39.50 search results *and* import batches | |
| 17:06 | the cronjob should distinguish | |
| 17:06 | kf_mtg | I agree |
| 17:06 | gmcharlt | not that one can't delete import batches, but not willy-nilly, since a batch has to be present in order to do a revert |
| 17:06 | kf_mtg | I don't want it to touch our regular imports, only z3950 |
| 17:06 | but I think the information is in the database | |
| 17:07 | druthb | In this case, my script did not distinguish, but the partner site had not done any cleans since 2009, so it needed doing Real Real Bad. I put in a date param, and it cleans everything before then. |
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| 17:08 | wizzyrea | also a UI spot to "purge z39.50 batches" |
| 17:08 | gmcharlt | secondly, I'm curious about use cases for the reservoir itself -- are there any advantages to keeping it (as more than just a very short-lived cache) when one could just requery the Z39.50 server? |
| 17:08 | druthb | Easy enough to parameterize letting you choose batch, z, or both, and a "keep this many days" param. |
| 17:09 | Then it'd be cronnable. | |
| 17:09 | gmcharlt | druthb: maybe add a locked column for import batches? |
| 17:09 | wizzyrea | I do like the idea of getting away from the idea of a cache for z results though |
| 17:09 | druthb | "Don't delet this one, no matter what?" |
| 17:09 | gmcharlt | druthb: exactly |
| 17:09 | wizzyrea | there must have been a reason for that at some point? |
| 17:10 | druthb | gmcharlt: I like the idea, but that'd be a v.next enhance. I'm in KISS mode right now. |
| 17:10 | gmcharlt | fair enough |
| 17:10 | druthb | wizzyrea: persistence...as in, Koha Doesn't Have It. Gotta store that data *somewhere*, and just like the sessions table, knowing when to drop it is Kinda Hard. |
| 17:10 | gmcharlt | but in that case, purging import batches shouldn't be a default option, just z |
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| 17:11 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: and possibly as a limiting mechanism to avoid pushing too hard on slow/creaky/remote Z39.50 servers? |
| 17:11 | druthb | gmcharlt: The way I write scripts, the default is don't do *anything*. I'm paranoid. |
| 17:11 | gmcharlt | druthb: cool, then I won't be out to get you |
| 17:11 | (or will I?) | |
| 17:12 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 17:12 | trea | dun dun dunnnnn |
| 17:12 | wizzyrea | limit how many you keep at all? |
| 17:12 | druthb | You'll *have* to specify either -b, -z, or both, (as well as --update) or nothing at all will happen. |
| 17:13 | kf_mtg | bye all |
| 17:13 | wizzyrea | byeeee |
| 17:13 | * oleonard | managed to crash IE after not too long a wait |
| 17:13 | wizzyrea | oh good I was starting to worry |
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| 17:15 | druthb | hm. gmcharlt's little enchancement will delay the patch a little, as I have other fish to fry. Should get it out tonight, tho. |
| 17:15 | * druthb | finds a way to blame gmcharlt for all sorts of things. |
| 17:16 | druthb | Delayed patches, the housing bust, global warming...it's all gmcharlt's fault. |
| 17:16 | * gmcharlt | promises to turn off the lights more regularly |
| 17:17 | trea | :D |
| 17:17 | oleonard | It's gmcharlt's fault I can't stop thinking about cats |
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| 17:29 | paul_p_ | OK, time to leave for me. Lyon 3 university is live with Koha 3.6, everything is OK, except a problem/glitch with their 3M self-checkout. I hope to be back to RM business tomorrow morning... |
| 17:32 | wizzyrea | I love cats. I love every kind of cats. |
| 17:43 | oleonard | Does the entire world of Inernet Explorer-using people just assume the whole web looks like crap? |
| 17:43 | wizzyrea | that could explain some things. |
| 17:49 | gmcharlt | oleonard: low expectations can become self-sustaining |
| 17:50 | * wizzyrea | starts a campaign "the web doesn't have to suck - try a different browser" |
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| 17:53 | cait | hi #koha |
| 17:54 | wizzyrea | wb cait |
| 17:56 | cait | :) |
| 17:57 | maximep | i'm sure people using ie6 and ie7 know that everything looks like crap and it only gets worst |
| 17:57 | the entire quebec governement is still using ie6... pure madness | |
| 17:58 | oleonard | The awful things I'm seeing in IE8 convince me that it just doesn't get better |
| 17:59 | maximep | oh common, ie8 is easy to support |
| 17:59 | compared to ie6 and 7 | |
| 18:00 | ie9 is probably also very hard because it's too good | |
| 18:00 | -_- | |
| 18:00 | * maximep | is glad he isn't doing that job |
| 18:03 | cait | wizzyrea: I have a queston for you |
| 18:04 | or a general question where I hope wizzyrea has an opinion :) | |
| 18:04 | the itemtype display in result list and detail page are different | |
| 18:04 | the detail page shows less information than the result list | |
| 18:04 | is there any reason for that? | |
| 18:04 | and do we want to keep it like that? | |
| 18:05 | talking about the small icons | |
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| 18:32 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 18:36 | rangi | Morning |
| 18:39 | wizzyrea | cait - screenshot? please? |
| 18:39 | cait | hey, good morning rangi |
| 18:39 | wizzyrea | i suspect that I don't have itemtype images defined or on |
| 18:39 | cait | oh |
| 18:39 | you can see at hfjs.bsz-bw.de | |
| 18:39 | wizzyrea | even better :) |
| 18:42 | cait | there are 2 icons |
| 18:42 | on the results list | |
| 18:42 | wizzyrea | cait you mean the "format, literary form display |
| 18:42 | cait | but only one on the detail |
| 18:42 | yep that | |
| 18:43 | wizzyrea | hm |
| 18:43 | I don't see it in english... switching to deutsch | |
| 18:43 | cait | hmm |
| 18:43 | give me a minute | |
| 18:44 | so I don't burn my soup | |
| 18:44 | and when it's simmering I will look for links | |
| 18:44 | wizzyrea | I don't see it in deutsch either |
| 18:44 | screencast is broken atm | |
| 18:44 | cait | perhaps I turned it off there... hmmm |
| 18:44 | I will find examples | |
| 18:45 | wizzyrea | no I just only see one icon |
| 18:45 | so I may not be clear on what you're asking | |
| 18:45 | http://screencast.com/t/2I1rMOAZ | |
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| 18:46 | wizzyrea | hey that keyboard thing you have is pretty wicked. |
| 18:46 | aarkerio | hi! somebody knows a Webpage about how import journal articles in koha? |
| 18:47 | cait | wizzyrea: thx :) |
| 18:47 | I put a howto on the wiki for the keyboard | |
| 18:48 | aarkerio | I found this: |
| 18:48 | http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]ruary/017032.html | |
| 18:50 | cait | wizzyrea: seems there is a difference between 3.2.2 and 3.6.3 |
| 18:50 | wizzyrea | ah |
| 18:50 | cait | but |
| 18:50 | the second part is missing | |
| 18:50 | from the detai lpage | |
| 18:50 | say we have something like | |
| 18:50 | wizzyrea | right |
| 18:50 | cait | Type: Continuing Resource; Format: print ; Type of continuing resource: series |
| 18:51 | in result list | |
| 18:51 | but only type: series | |
| 18:51 | in detail | |
| 18:51 | wizzyrea | yea, I did notice that |
| 18:51 | cait | and on 3.6.3 I had sometmes 2 items showing in the result list |
| 18:51 | but only always one | |
| 18:51 | on detail | |
| 18:51 | wizzyrea | I wonder if there's some logic there that shows both biblevel and itemlevel itype that isn't working? |
| 18:51 | maybe a TT thing? | |
| 18:52 | but that doesn't make a whole lot of sense - which item would it pull the item level itemtype from | |
| 18:52 | so no, probably not that. | |
| 18:55 | cait | nope |
| 18:55 | it's all from the record | |
| 18:55 | leader, 007, 008 | |
| 18:55 | it's supposed to show you what it is | |
| 18:56 | I have a bug report form one of our libraries | |
| 18:56 | wizzyrea | huh. weird. |
| 18:56 | cait | complainging about a book when there should be a cd |
| 18:56 | so I started looking into it | |
| 18:56 | and I think it sould be in utils | |
| 18:56 | or somewhere | |
| 18:56 | and I think we do it differently for opac and staff... but have to confirm that | |
| 18:57 | rangi | TT filter! |
| 18:57 | cait | xslt |
| 18:57 | lol | |
| 18:57 | once you have your xslt filter done.... | |
| 18:57 | perhaps? ;) | |
| 18:58 | rangi | U can finish it st hackfest |
| 18:59 | at even | |
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| 19:03 | rangi | Hmm someone sent release notes to Marshall? |
| 19:03 | My stop bbiab | |
| 19:09 | cait | wizzyrea: never mind, I will dive into it and come back with better questions :) |
| 19:09 | wizzyrea | ah it's np |
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| 19:13 | oleonard | "Item 33000000087725 waiting at Athens hasn't been transferred yet from The Plains" |
| 19:13 | How exactly...? | |
| 19:13 | wizzyrea | hah |
| 19:15 | rangi | back |
| 19:15 | wizzyrea | i don't think I've ever seen the message "hasn't been transferred yet" |
| 19:17 | oleonard | That's on the holds tab on circulation.pl |
| 19:18 | wizzyrea | h |
| 19:18 | m | |
| 19:18 | oleonard | detail.pl says "Current location: The Plains; Status: Waiting for X at Athens" |
| 19:18 | wizzyrea | ooo yea |
| 19:18 | sounds like a botched transfer. | |
| 19:18 | i have seen that | |
| 19:18 | a checkout/in should clear that | |
| 19:18 | what version? | |
| 19:19 | oleonard | But I don't even know where the item is... I'm assuming actually in transit between The Plains and Athens |
| 19:19 | wizzyrea | well it had to have arrived in athens to be marked waiting |
| 19:19 | oleonard | 3.6.1 |
| 19:19 | ...except they say it's not there. | |
| 19:20 | (of course they could be wrong) | |
| 19:20 | wizzyrea | I have heard this story before |
| 19:20 | all branches should shelf check for it | |
| 19:20 | :/ | |
| 19:20 | i am trying to remember | |
| 19:20 | oleonard | Maybe Koha needs some kind of "all branches shelf check" management system... |
| 19:21 | wizzyrea | select * from branchtransfers where itemnumber = x - you should see an un completed transfer |
| 19:21 | heh | |
| 19:21 | we call that the "cattle prod" | |
| 19:21 | but in the reserves table | |
| 19:21 | the same reserve will be marked W | |
| 19:22 | in theory you should never have a w and an uncompleted transfer, unless the item got misrouted along the way | |
| 19:22 | oleonard | 2010-08-10 19:21:32 | PPL | 2010-08-12 17:49:34 | APL |
| 19:22 | wizzyrea | whoa... |
| 19:23 | there's only the one | |
| 19:23 | ? | |
| 19:23 | and it's completed? | |
| 19:23 | oleonard | That's datesent | frombranch | datearrived | tobranch |
| 19:23 | wizzyrea | oh I wonder, did something happen to the item in between? like, it was moved from one bib to another |
| 19:23 | :) I know :) | |
| 19:23 | oleonard | reserves does say W |
| 19:24 | wizzyrea | is the bibnumber the same on both? |
| 19:24 | I guess branchtransfers doesn't tell you | |
| 19:24 | it only works with items. | |
| 19:24 | oleonard | right |
| 19:24 | wizzyrea | i saw one a week or so ago |
| 19:24 | oleonard | but we don't move items from one bib to another |
| 19:24 | wizzyrea | where there was a really bizarre status sort of like that |
| 19:25 | not even in the case of "I accidentally added this duplicate bib" | |
| 19:25 | "let me move it's items to the right one" | |
| 19:25 | its* | |
| 19:25 | (this happens in nexpress all the time) | |
| 19:28 | * oleonard | gets out the cattle prod |
| 19:30 | aarkerio | what kind of format is this: |
| 19:30 | http://www.pakban.net/brooke/t[…]sm/getcan8_sm.gif | |
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| 19:44 | oleonard | wizzyrea! Long time no see. |
| 19:44 | wizzyrea | heh |
| 19:50 | oleonard | Search engines don't like it when you try a search like $("[ |
| 19:52 | wizzyrea | i sincerely wish my testers would get to work on 7001 - I'd like to have my test server back. |
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| 20:14 | * oleonard | set out to try Bug 7452, ended up spending hours fixing XHTML and dealing with other IE bugs... |
| 20:14 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7452 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPAC unable to delete list item in IE |
| 20:15 | wizzyrea | oof |
| 20:15 | thanks for looking at that oleonard | |
| 20:15 | oleonard++ | |
| 20:16 | maximep | isn't that a javascript error ? |
| 20:18 | oleonard | Hahaha, I win! The patch I submitted for all the XHTML and display errors actually fixes Bug 7452! |
| 20:18 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 20:18 | :D:D | |
| 20:18 | maximep | o_O |
| 20:19 | oleonard | The OPAC lists page had <form>s nested inside a <form> |
| 20:19 | wizzyrea | O.O |
| 20:20 | maximep | Ô_ô |
| 20:20 | oleonard | ...but the nested <form>s were not really necessary, since the inputs are only used by JavaScript |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | ლ(ಠ_ಠლ) |
| 20:20 | maximep | well that shows up as squares here :p |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | all of it? |
| 20:21 | there *are* in fact 2 squares. | |
| 20:21 | maximep | I see 4 |
| 20:21 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 20:21 | ◔_◔ | |
| 20:21 | what about that one | |
| 20:22 | maximep | some kind of small _ ? |
| 20:22 | wizzyrea | hehe fair enough |
| 20:22 | it's an eyerolly thing | |
| 20:22 | sincerely not important | |
| 20:22 | oleonard | http://screencast.com/t/gl4L1TZaap |
| 20:22 | maximep | I should be in utf-8 :S |
| 20:22 | LOL | |
| 20:22 | wizzyrea | yesssssss |
| 20:22 | maximep | nice |
| 20:24 | wizzyrea | hm i wonder why tuesday is always the high point of the week for our OPAC |
| 20:24 | monday is the worst day | |
| 20:24 | maximep | what's the definition of worst and best ?< |
| 20:24 | wizzyrea | http://screencast.com/t/3ooChtXlNV |
| 20:24 | least visitors, most visitors | |
| 20:25 | oh sorry sunday is the worst day | |
| 20:25 | maximep | weird. Id be curious to see our stats, but I can't |
| 20:25 | wizzyrea | i suspect we have the most libraries open on tuesday maybe? |
| 20:26 | oleonard | Our graph looks the same. Our biggest branch is closed Mondays. |
| 20:28 | schuster | are you using google analytics? |
| 20:28 | wizzyrea | no |
| 20:28 | schuster | What ya using? |
| 20:28 | wizzyrea | piwik |
| 20:28 | schuster | ah I was looking at that the other day... |
| 20:29 | One more thing... :) | |
| 20:30 | maximep | is piwik.org down ? |
| 20:30 | wizzyrea | it's very slow anyway |
| 20:33 | schuster | but you get stats are they helpful? We have some specific pages and so I was thinking about tracking those to see how much they are actually used. |
| 20:33 | wizzyrea | yes, I think they are helpful |
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| 21:16 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
| 21:16 | rangi | cya oleonard |
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| 21:47 | schuster | by all |
| 21:48 | mbalmer | cu |
| 21:48 | rangi | cya schuster |
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| 22:22 | Guest631 | O.o |
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