IRC log for #koha, 2012-01-25

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01:51 jcamins Hello kmkale.
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01:51 kmkale Namaste jcamins :)
01:52 jcamins 1633 was pushed today. :)
01:52 Well, yesterday for you.
01:54 kmkale YAY!!!
01:54 Thanks jcamins
01:54 * jcamins is very pleased about this.
01:56 kmkale too
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01:59 kmkale status still shows siigned-off, not ppushed?
02:00 jcamins That's the follow-up.
02:04 kmkale wow. That was *SOME* work from you jcamins
02:04 jcamins++
02:04 jcamins :) I do my best.
02:04 kmkale jcamins is the best
02:04 jcamins?
02:04 wahanui jcamins is an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra or against all things wine.
02:05 kmkale heh
02:05 kmkale?
02:05 wahanui kmkale may be psychic.
02:05 kmkale :-D
02:05 jcamins :)
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03:12 kmkale bbl
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03:29 AmitG heya bag
03:29 bag yo AMit
03:29 AmitG:
03:33 libsysguy joined #koha
03:34 libsysguy hey somebody told me bywater was working on a project with serials
03:34 or maybe acquisitions
03:34 anybody know what the story is on that?
03:35 jcamins libsysguy: BibLibre has a big acquisitions and serials project.
03:35 libsysguy hmm
03:35 do you know if there is an RFC for it or a ticket?
03:35 jcamins Don't know if ByWater has anything going on with those modules, but bag would know.
03:35 bag hmm… what project?
03:35 libsysguy Margo was saying something about it...
03:35 AmitG heya jcamins
03:36 jcamins Hi AmitG.
03:36 libsysguy I am working on my senior project and there are some modifications or E-Resources librarian would like implemented
03:36 AmitG heya libsysguy
03:36 wahanui i heard libsysguy was Koha's hottest developer or partying with swedes on his deck
03:36 libsysguy hey AmitG!
03:36 bag go libsysguy++
03:37 libsysguy and I just wanted to make sure what I was about to start working on wouldn't overlap
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03:38 AmitG heya kmkale
03:38 kmkale Namaste AmitG
03:38 bag libsysguy: is there a particular aspect that you are thinking of?
03:39 major developments that we've got working or hourly loans, print-slips, course reserves, and oclc connexion gateway
03:39 libsysguy yeah: Ability to edit invoices, add an invoice date field, add invoice notes field, add functionality to batch receive items
03:39 those are listed as top priority for her
03:40 she has a document typed up
03:40 bag I don't think we are working on those…  IRC
03:42 libsysguy ok cool, ill see if I can stalk some of the biblibre guys and make sure they aren't either
03:42 jcamins Bug 7163.
03:42 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7163 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , BibLibre acquisitions omnibus
03:42 libsysguy wow that is quite a ticket
03:43 thanks for finding that jcamins++
03:51 kmkale Namaste bag :)
03:51 bag hey kmkale
03:51 :)
03:57 kmkale getting a 'Can't call method "append_fields" on an undefined value at  /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0/MARC/File/SAX.pm
03:57 any clue?
03:58 happens while updating a item
03:58 sorry adding an item
03:59 bag try about 13 more times and it works :)
03:59 no seriously - that happened to us today
04:13 kmkale whaaaaa?
04:13 jcamins kmkale: corrupted record.
04:14 Probably an unclosed tag.
04:14 Or a self-closing tag.
04:14 kmkale jcamins: resolution? delete record from biblio and biblioitems?
04:14 jcamins kmkale: that's the easy solution.
04:15 The other option is fixing the record.
04:15 The problem is in biblioitems.marcxml.
04:15 kmkale ok. If it allows editing, will try ficing esle its easier to delete and recreate
04:16 cold fingers. bad typing :(
04:16 libsysguy @wunder 75707
04:16 huginn` libsysguy: The current temperature in Lake Tyler -D3895, Tyler, Texas is 11.4°C (10:16 PM CST on January 24, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady).
04:16 jcamins kmkale: in order to fix the record, you'll probably have to extract the XML from biblioitems, find the problem, fix it in a text editor, than update the field.
04:17 kmkale jcamins: yay!!. Be easier to delete and recreate..
04:17 libsysguy is there no edit option for the marcxml field
04:17 jcamins Probably.
04:18 libsysguy i don't think i've ever seen on
04:18 one*
04:18 jcamins libsysguy: not when it's corrupted.
04:18 The cataloging module edits the MARCXML.
04:18 libsysguy oh ok, I didn't know if there was a raw edit
04:19 jcamins Nope.
04:19 libsysguy sad day…for situations like this :p
04:19 jcamins pianohacker did some work on a plain text interface.
04:19 rangi sled was working on a way to recover it from the marc column
04:20 libsysguy yeah I didn't know if somebody had done any work to implement it in plain text and add some syntax highlighting
04:20 rangi slef even
04:20 libsysguy lol I was like who is sled and does he live in the snow
04:21 * jcamins thought he wouldn't be working on Koha much, too many hills.
04:21 libsysguy hehe
04:21 jcamins And, with that thought, bed time.
04:21 Good night, #koha.
04:21 libsysguy ngiht jcamins
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04:43 cait good morning #koha
04:44 AmitG rangi around?
04:50 heya cait
04:50 cait hi AmitG :)
05:34 AmitG eythian around?
05:34 Robin around?
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07:12 cait hi #koha
07:13 alex_a morning
07:15 cait hi alex_a :)
07:19 alex_a cait: bonjour :)
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07:34 magnuse kia ora #koha
07:35 cait good morning magnuse
07:35 magnuse guten morgen cait
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07:35 reiveune hello
07:36 magnuse bonjour!
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08:04 asaurat hallo!
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08:04 francharb hello
08:04 wahanui hi, francharb
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08:07 paul_p good morning #koha
08:10 AmitG heya paul_p
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08:19 kf hi again #koha
08:19 francharb++
08:19 francharb ;)
08:42 paul_p Lyon 3 university go live with Koha 3.6 today... I won't be available probably for the whole day !
08:46 kf it's koha
08:46 it will be all fine
08:46 :)
08:46 good luck and have fun paul_p
08:46 paul_p I feel it won't be fun, but thx for the good luck !
08:49 kf optimism is key :)
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08:58 alex_a shrc
08:59 kf shrc?
09:00 alex_a pfffff, i write on a chan, some letters goes in the right chan, others in an other chan :-/
09:02 so you can enjoy a part of what i say somewhere else
09:02 * kf enjoys then
09:03 magnuse fingers crossed for lyon3!
09:03 alex_a kf: shrc is the end of "bashrc" :)
09:04 kf aha!
09:04 alex_a an other game ?
09:04 kf heh
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10:06 magnuse anyone tried sending CHECKOUT messages by email in 3.6.x? i'm getting messages with the raw <<issues.issuingbranch>> and <<issues.date_due>> in them...
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10:08 kf uhoh
10:08 hmm
10:08 I always use items.content in there I think
10:08 let me check
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10:10 kf hmm
10:10 magnuse: I have only biblio tables available
10:10 not the issues table
10:10 in 3.2.2
10:10 and we use biblio.title
10:11 magnuse ah, i'm on 3.6.2
10:11 kf magnuse: and the field list doesn't offer issues to me
10:11 so perhaps added later
10:11 magnuse sound slike it
10:40 the description of the "CataloguingLog" syspref says "[Log] any changes to bibliographic or item records. Since this occurs whenever a book is checked in or out as well, it is not advisable to turn this on." - is that still true after we items were removed from the MARCXML?
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12:29 AmitG heya jwagner
12:30 jwagner Hi AmitG
12:33 kf_lunch magnus_afk: I think you are right - it can be changed
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13:06 kf_lunch silent day
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13:24 kmkale_ some queries about the "Record Matching Rules"
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13:25 kmkale_ Are the rules we set up used against records imported earlier in the same batch?
13:25 drojf good local time of the day #koha
13:27 kmkale_ I am importing a batch in a empty new Koha install and have set up a rule. I *KNOW* there are matching records in the batch, but the stage marc records page reported zero matches.
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13:32 hdl kmkale_: if the previously imported biblios are not indexed then no.
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13:33 hdl kf,  just received your pm on members page, and list.
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13:33 druthb o/
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13:38 kmkale_ so would the proper way be that i import only the biblios first ignoring items, index them, then run the same batch with ingnore matching biblios and always add items?
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13:58 kf_lunch hdl: list?
13:58 hdl: my test installation is at home - can only check german here
13:58 hdl: do you mean lists in opac? it can be your javascript needs a refresh perhaps
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13:59 kf_lunch hdl: members pages in staff seem ok tome too. hmm.
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14:06 hdl looked busted where I saw that.
14:12 kf_lunch hdl: no idea - Ih ave seen problems with the list button in the past
14:12 hdl: but on my current system it seems to work nicely. for the member page -perhaps some custom jquery?
14:13 hdl nope but never mind
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14:14 oleonard Oh, and Hi #koha.
14:15 magnus_afk kia ora oleonard
14:16 oleonard Fun fact about being me: When people start their sentences with "Oh, and" I think they're talking to me because it comes out "Oh, an'"
14:16 kf_lunch hi oleonard
14:16 :)
14:21 * paul_p really in love with git !
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14:22 magnus_afk o/
14:22 * oleonard suggests that paul_p give git a lovely present for Valentine's Day
14:23 paul_p Lyon 3 has a really complex structure = git.koha-community => pre-prod server => apache server => zebra & opac server. With some git remote add, git push, git fetch, it's easy to update everything !
14:23 magnus_afk yay
14:23 paul_p (with some patches made by biblibre & some patches -texts or things like that- made by the library, so we also have 3 branches (master/biblibre/lyon3local)
14:24 3 branches, 5 git repo, push/fetch/checkout everywhere :D :D
14:25 kf_lunch oleonard++ lol
14:25 git is mighty - but this sounds really complicated!
14:25 but you are smiling paul_p - so had fun? :)
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14:28 * magnus_afk promises not to tell paul_p's wife ;-)
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15:09 wizzyrea kf about?
15:09 * wizzyrea waves hi
15:10 wizzyrea also - why do we not have an all-all rule in the defaults?
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15:22 wizzyrea magnuse re: checkout messages, please have a look at 7001, which will overhaul that system.
15:22 I could use some help testing anyway
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15:32 magnus_away cool, i'll try to get a look at that
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16:14 vfernandes Hi guys
16:16 anybody has experienced migrate record/items from Aleph to Koha?
16:19 jcamins_away vfernandes: I'm pretty sure it's been done, but I'm not sure by whom.
16:19 But I think I recall someone mentioning a migration from Aleph.
16:20 vfernandes aleph has a database so complicated... :/
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16:40 kf wizzyrea: amn ow
16:40 wizzyrea kf I was looking at that bug 6539
16:40 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6539 minor, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, peter.lorimer, Signed Off , Z39.50 Search ISBN Field Populated with title
16:40 kf yes
16:40 wizzyrea the thing you noticed about kw,wrdl in the results
16:41 it's in master too :(
16:41 kf is a general problem
16:41 I think it's been like that for a longer timenow
16:41 you might even find it in 3.2.x - not sure
16:41 wizzyrea yea, it happens when you do it from a page with no results
16:42 kf t
16:42 wizzyrea dk why i'm on about it, I'll just file a bug for the kw, wrdl thing.
16:43 unless you know of one already
16:44 kf no sorry :(
16:44 not aware of a bug report
16:44 wizzyrea k
16:45 kf seems I tested that a longer time ago?
16:45 how did you stumble upon it?
16:46 wizzyrea I had a librarian ask me why the ISBN's were going in the title search
16:46 which is wrong behavior :)
16:46 turns out there was a bug, and a patch
16:46 and failed qa for pretty trivial reasons.
16:46 of which were easily fixed.
16:46 but apparently the bug had been abandoned.
16:47 jcamins Apparently an actual instance of XC has been spotted in the wild.
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16:52 jcamins It is kind of cute, isn't it?
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16:54 kf oh where?
16:55 jcamins http://catalog.lib.kyushu-u.ac.jp/en
16:56 wizzyrea wait, what am I looking at
16:57 chris_n does anyone know off the top of their head what controls the order of the drop-down list for the 942 field in the marc editor?
16:57 jcamins chris_n: alphabetical order.
16:58 wizzyrea: an eXtensible Catalog installation.
16:58 wizzyrea oh i see
16:58 942c?
16:59 * chris_n 's catalogers are in a uproar because the order is inconvenient
16:59 jcamins chris_n: do what I do: put spaces in.
16:59 wizzyrea or number them.
16:59 but that is also inconvenient
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17:01 jcamins Spaces aren't visible, and you should be able to use multiple spaces to control the order.
17:01 Just don't decide to reorder things.
17:02 wizzyrea i think he's probably in the "this has been set for a while and now they want to reorder them" state
17:02 catalogers. Sheesh. ;)
17:02 (you know I love them)
17:05 chris_n heh
17:06 well, they just added some stuff which is seldom used but now shows at the top of the list
17:08 wizzyrea oooof
17:08 jcamins Make them rename the types to start with letters near the end of the alphabet.
17:15 * oleonard got an unpleasant shock when he checked prices on flights to KohaCon12
17:15 jcamins oleonard: yeah, apparently it's much more expensive to go out in June than in January.
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17:17 kf jcamins :(
17:17 jcamins Five years ago (almost exactly!) I bought a round-trip ticket from Edinburgh to New York for less than $500 about a week before my trip.
17:18 kf perhaps to london and to edinburgh by train?
17:19 having another road trip could be fun
17:20 jcamins It's better, but still pricey.
17:20 kf hmpf
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17:35 jcamins Chester the blue cat says hi.
17:36 * kf waves at chester
17:36 kf bye all
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17:38 wizzyrea hi chester :)
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17:42 * oleonard learned of this for the first time today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP4NMoJcFd4 CAN'T HUG EVERY CAT -- a song about loving cats
17:42 reiveune bye
17:42 wizzyrea lol
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17:42 wizzyrea ok, that is amazing
17:43 maximep you're late to the can't hug every cat party
17:43 wizzyrea I saw the original
17:43 but the autotune version is much funnier and a whole lot less creepy
17:43 maximep greg brothers are genius
17:45 wizzyrea druthb: you must click that link
17:45 oleonard I'm scared to watch the original.
17:45 wizzyrea @later tell druthb • member:oleonard learned of this for the first time today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP4NMoJcFd4 CAN'T HUG EVERY CAT -- a song about loving cats
17:45 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
17:45 wizzyrea it's alarming
17:48 maximep well thanks to you i'm stuck in a youtube loop of gregory brothers autotune songs
17:48 :D
17:48 wizzyrea oh you went down the rabbit hole
17:49 cait__ :-)
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18:06 cait hi again #koha
18:06 mbalmer howdy folks.
18:07 20% of my work time have been reserved for koha hacking… dunno if that is a good thing or not ..
18:07 cait hi mbalmer
18:10 oleonard mbalmer: 20% isn't nearly enough ;)
18:11 mbalmer it's already to much, imo ;)
18:12 cait I think most people here love to spend time on #koha - that's why they are doing it
18:12 wizzyrea ^^
18:13 * chris_n thinks his has been like 5% of work time and 25% of free time lately :)
18:13 mbalmer it's definitely fun to hack on it when you can work together with real librarians (which I am not)
18:13 wizzyrea oh, yea
18:13 that makes it less fun
18:13 what is your situation then?
18:15 mbalmer I am in informatics, programmer, software development for a living.  but we are a group of five, one content guy, two librarians.  so we are nicely set up for the job.
18:15 and don't get me wrong, I think working on koha _is_ fun.
18:16 * wizzyrea would not assume that everyone thinks it's fun - but most of us here do.
18:22 rangi Morning
18:22 wizzyrea mornin
18:23 jcamins Morning.
18:23 cait morning rangi :)
18:23 jcamins rangi: you wanted something from me yesterday?
18:23 rangi Can't remember
18:23 jcamins rangi: in that case, you're welcome. ;)
18:23 chris_n heya rangi
18:23 rangi Can't be important
18:23 * wizzyrea heads off for lunch
18:23 wizzyrea bbl
18:24 * chris_n looks for coffee
18:24 mbalmer couscous on the table, biaw...
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18:27 rangi I'm doing %29 coffee
18:29 jcamins %29 coffee?
18:30 * rangi is being snarky
18:30 * jcamins doesn't think you mean "group separator coffee," and can't quite figure out what else it could mean.
18:31 jcamins %32 would make sense to me... some sort of freeze-dried instant coffee.
18:31 rangi Heh
18:31 * chris_n only drinks the 100% coffee ;-)
18:49 rangi back
18:53 * maximep hates everything about coffee
18:54 jcamins maximep: tea?
18:55 * maximep don't drink anything hot
18:55 maximep yeah, i'm weird.
18:55 cait hehe
18:55 maximep I also hate wine
18:55 * jcamins knows a number of people who don't drink hot things.
18:55 jcamins Mostly it's for religious reasons, though.
18:56 maximep all I drink at work is a bottle of ice cold water every day
18:56 jcamins maximep: do most of your coworkers drink wine? ;)
18:57 (at work)
18:57 If so, can I come work with you? :P
18:57 maximep haha
18:57 some drink beer.... on friday
18:58 * jcamins doesn't like beer. It has bubbles.
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18:58 jcamins ... we discussed this two days ago, didn't we?
18:58 maximep I missed that one
18:58 mbalmer re
19:00 jcamins maximep: it could just be deja vu.
19:02 cait jcamins: you don't like bubbles?
19:03 jcamins cait: nope.
19:03 maximep I love everything with bubbles
19:05 * magnuse sympathizes completely with maximep...
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19:06 jcamins magnuse: I would've thought that it would be cold enough that you would want hot drinks.
19:06 nengard tall joy or druthb i'm wondering if you can make a quick change for me on l20
19:06 * oleonard would hate to plan a dinner party menu for you guys
19:06 rangi hi nengard
19:06 nengard oops - wrong room :)
19:06 hi all
19:07 magnuse jcamins: well, hot chocolate/cocoa once in a blue moon, no coffee or tea
19:07 @wunder boo
19:07 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (7:50 PM CET on January 25, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -8.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
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19:07 oleonard @wunder 45701
19:07 huginn` oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 7.0°C (2:00 PM EST on January 25, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Steady).
19:10 maximep @wunder YUL
19:10 huginn` maximep: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is -4.0°C (2:00 PM EST on January 25, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa (Falling).
19:10 jcamins @wunder 11375
19:10 huginn` jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 5.6°C (1:42 PM EST on January 25, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1023.9 hPa.
19:11 magnuse oleonard: cold water - how hard can it be? ;-)
19:11 maximep colder here than in borway, heh
19:11 *norway
19:11 rangi borway, norway's much less interesting cousin
19:12 magnuse lol!
19:12 maximep the b is really far from the n on my keyboard, so not sure what happened there :P
19:12 * magnuse wonders what kinf of keyboard maximep has...
19:13 magnuse kind, even
19:13 maximep well, not that far. it's a ms ergonomic keyboard that splits in the middle. the b is on my left hand and the n on my right hand
19:13 so this is just wierd that I typed b :S
19:16 magnuse ah
19:16 oleonard Those keyboards hurt my brain.
19:17 * magnuse never tried one, but is not a very disciplined typer, so can't imagine it would be a success
19:17 maximep with it my wrists would just die
19:19 and by die I mean carpal tunnel
19:24 * magnuse is upgrading a swedish library and moving them to the debian packages, to make future upgrades easier
19:25 jcamins Yay!
19:25 packages++
19:25 * wizzyrea reads the scrollback, is sad to have missed the discussion.
19:26 oleonard wizzyrea: Drink choice, weather, or keyboards?
19:26 wizzyrea all of the above
19:26 * wizzyrea prefers Earl Grey, spring/fall weather, and chiclet keyboards.
19:26 wizzyrea also: borway = norway's less interesting cousin = lulz
19:26 chris_n Earl_Grey++
19:27 magnuse chiclet?
19:27 oleonard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiclet_keyboard
19:27 wizzyrea yes that thank you
19:28 but more importantly
19:28 magnuse note to self: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=chiclet+keyboard
19:28 wizzyrea http://www.thinkpads.com/wp-co[…]clet_keyboard.jpg
19:29 or: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oKWt[…]im-keyboard-4.jpg
19:29 rangi chiclet makes me think all you could type on it is bridget jones diary novels
19:30 magnuse lol
19:30 jcamins Heh.
19:30 * oleonard imagines fans of chick lit might tell rangi he's showing his age with that reference
19:30 rangi whats it now
19:30 vampires and crap?
19:31 oleonard bridget jones + vampires, the only remaining mashup left.
19:31 rangi heh
19:33 maximep I really like typing on my thinkpad keyboard and I type way faster on it, but I need support for my wrists
19:33 http://www.microsoft.com/hardw[…]nek4000_large.jpg
19:33 but I hate that this thing is huge
19:35 wizzyrea @quote add rangi: chiclet makes me think all you could type on it is bridget jones diary novels
19:35 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #182 added.
19:35 rangi wizzyrea: can you ask sharon whats new in chick lit? :)
19:36 wizzyrea @quote add oleonard: bridget jones + vampires, the only remaining mashup left.
19:36 huginn` wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #183 added.
19:36 wizzyrea hehe, i will when she comes back
19:36 vampires and zombies are pretty likely, however.
19:37 oleonard http://www.examiner.com/horror[…]yer-bridget-jones
19:37 wizzyrea besides, she reads *smut*, there's a difference
19:37 omg.
19:37 rangi oh true
19:37 pervert
19:37 :-)
19:37 wizzyrea :D
19:38 seriously
19:38 I don't even... I guess the mayans were right after all.
19:38 rangi heh
19:39 jcamins Wow.
19:40 * wizzyrea goes back to watching the cat hugging video just to cleanse the mental palate.
19:42 * jcamins has to locate a bowtie.
19:43 jcamins (that was unrelated to both vampires and cat hugging, it just suddenly struck me)
19:43 wizzyrea uh huh.
19:43 You wanted to put a bowtie on your cat
19:43 * wizzyrea knows better
19:44 jcamins lol
19:44 Speaking of cats with bowties...
19:44 http://cuteoverload.com/2011/0[…]fathers-day-ties/
19:44 Second from the bottom.
19:45 Oh wow.
19:45 http://tiecats.tumblr.com/
19:45 * wizzyrea boggles that I said "bowtie" and "cat" in one sentence
19:45 wizzyrea and someone out there googled it.
19:46 jcamins wizzyrea: I already knew about the first one.
19:46 I just had never noticed the source.
19:46 wizzyrea that, my friends, is the long tail at work
19:46 forgive my pun.
19:47 jcamins lol
19:58 magnuse the worst thing that can happen if i truncate the sessions table is poeople who are logged in will have to login again, right?
19:58 rangi yes
19:58 wizzyrea yes
19:58 magnuse thanks
19:58 wizzyrea oh you are too fast.
19:58 jcamins magnuse: you should think about using memcached for sessions.
19:58 magnuse i think i made a major mistake when i didn't cron the cleanup_database script for this installation...
19:59 jcamins: i will for my own installations, but i'm just helping someone else out here
19:59 jcamins Ah.
19:59 magnuse mysql> truncate sessions;
19:59 Query OK, 7283351 rows affected (0.39 sec)
19:59 oops
19:59 rangi heh
19:59 jcamins That's a lot of sessions.
20:00 magnuse it is
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20:00 magnuse packages++ for setting up the cleanupscript automatically
20:00 wizzyrea ^^
20:00 magnuse the mysqldump went from 2.3G to 303M...
20:01 jcamins Wow!
20:01 magnuse let that be a lesson to us all, boys and girls
20:01 wizzyrea oh snap.
20:04 cait hi aleksa
20:04 aleksa hello
20:06 cait I saw your patches - good work :)
20:06 wizzyrea oh do we have a new developer to add?
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20:06 rangi not pushed yet, but soon!
20:06 wizzyrea sweeeet
20:07 magnuse yay
20:07 jcamins Speaking of which, thanks for the sign-off on the follow-up, rangi.
20:07 rangi: out of curiosity, why do we have some tests in a different place?
20:07 aleksa thanks.
20:07 rangi you mean the xt vs t?
20:07 jcamins Right.
20:07 rangi t/ = unit tests, testing functionality
20:08 aarkerio hi! I am trying to install Koha  and I try install some translations:
20:08 cd misc/translator && perl install-code.pl fr-FR es-ES
20:08 rangi xt/ = testing hmmm syntax/semantics .. not function
20:08 jcamins Ah.
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20:08 aarkerio but install-code.pl is not there
20:08 * jcamins didn't know about xt until the jenkins complete.
20:08 rangi so there are tests for missing copyright headers, fsf address wrong, bad tt syntax etc
20:09 oleonard rangi: Do you use git hooks to run automatic tests?
20:09 rangi i do
20:09 2 secs
20:09 aarkerio how can I install the spanish translations?
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20:10 rangi oleonard: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]s/heads/git-hooks
20:10 http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]1303f12a209dc2f21
20:11 magnuse aarkerio: which version are you installing?
20:11 aarkerio: and what instructions are you following?
20:11 aarkerio magnuse: koha-3.06.02
20:11 magnuse aarkerio: you probably need to do "perl translate install es-ES"
20:12 aarkerio: good version :-)
20:14 aarkerio magnuse, thanks!
20:14 magnuse aarkerio: no problem!
20:18 * chris_n cracks open a new Inspiron One w/touchscreen to be used in our k-12 academy library w/koha
20:18 wizzyrea coool
20:18 rangi ohh nice
20:19 wizzyrea we have some touch screens in the wild
20:19 in NEKLS
20:19 people seem to like them
20:19 rangi photos/blogpost
20:19 chris_n touchscreen + scanner + self checkout = easy circulation
20:19 rangi for the kc site
20:19 would be nice
20:19 wizzyrea ^^
20:19 chris_n rangi: good thought
20:19 cait we should do more blog posts
20:19 rangi we should
20:19 chris_n I'll work something up once its on line
20:19 cait pretty silent on kc
20:19 rangi thanks chris_n
20:19 chris_n should be early next week
20:19 cait chris_n++
20:19 going to release tonight?
20:20 chris_n cait: yup
20:20 cait yay :)
20:20 and we will update 5 libraries on friday :)
20:22 * magnuse will be upgrading from 3.6.2 pretty soon too
20:24 rangi 3.6.3 looks pretty solid
20:24 * magnuse finds hitting "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and pondering all the work that has been put into those lines scrolling by pretty awesome...
20:26 cait rangi: I guess we will shake out the bugs pretty fast if there are any
20:26 :)
20:26 but I think it's pretty solid too
20:26 * magnuse has had no complaints about 3.6.2
20:27 magnuse (upgraded the last customers on the weekend)
20:27 but there is bug 7445 for those who use tags
20:27 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7445 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Clicking on a tag gives "Language ... does not exist"
20:28 magnuse and it probably affects stemming too
20:28 jcamins I merged my customizations into the latest 3.6.x a few days ago, so I'll just do another merge after the release and it'll be ready for testing.
20:29 * chris_n hates to say it, but chrome has ff beat atm
20:29 jcamins chris_n: other than the annoying Koha cataloging module hang, Chrome has had FF beat for months, as far as I'm concerned.
20:32 maximep on what ?
20:33 jcamins maximep: not crashing.
20:33 And being faster.
20:34 maximep my firefox at work hasn't crashed since I work here
20:34 8 months
20:34 also haven't closed a single tab since that time
20:34 jcamins maximep: well, I stopped using FF more than eight months ago, so it's possible that they fixed the bugs that were causing it to crash.
20:35 maximep 6-7-8 are more crash fix releases than anything else
20:35 and 9
20:35 stupid versions
20:37 and for the faster.. can't defend ff there
20:37 chrome is just insanely fast
20:37 wizzyrea bug 6985 - does this need to be a system preference?
20:37 * wizzyrea cringes
20:37 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6985 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, In Discussion , Hide "kw,wrdl:" from Search Results
20:37 maximep oh id like that
20:38 oleonard does anyone really *want* to see "kw.wrdl" ?
20:38 * wizzyrea has a patch to just make it go away
20:38 bag not sure - I feel it just shouldn't appear
20:38 jcamins The last version I used was 3.6, I think.
20:38 bag no need to sys pref that...
20:38 chris_n maximep: my ff crashes continually due to bad js support
20:38 plus it does not allow different cookie jars for different windows
20:39 at least not easily and w/o hogging resources
20:39 wizzyrea the problem is, you can't, well, I haven't spent enough time to figure it out, but you can't say "your search for X returned yyy results"
20:39 if you want X, it comes with kw,wrdl
20:39 chris_n plus leaving ff running for very long periods of time seems to leak memory
20:39 * wizzyrea would prefer "your search for X"
20:40 wizzyrea however, it's not *that* important to me
20:40 because the last search is retained in the search box
20:40 so meh
20:40 * wizzyrea will submit the patch
20:40 wizzyrea and y'all can fight about it later.
20:40 * jcamins updated FF.
20:41 aarkerio hi! should I execute:
20:41 perl translate install es-ES
20:41 before or after installation?
20:41 magnuse wizzyrea++
20:41 aarkerio: before you run the webinstaller
20:42 aarkerio ok!!
20:43 magnuse otherwise, you will not get to see the spanish choices in the webinstaller
20:44 jcamins o.O
20:45 Buddy_Bones_Jones jcamins http://www.huffingtonpost.com/[…]re_n_1229406.html
20:45 jcamins Ah.
20:45 Yeah, that's been all over Facebook.
20:46 I love that they misspelled the URL.
20:47 pretty_eyes_jefferson oh yours is good.
20:47 * Red_Money_Parker is glad not to be named "Toothless"
20:47 pretty_eyes_jefferson hm, with my proper birth name that is less fun.
20:48 texas_eyes_dupree who has texas eyes.
20:48 I ask you.
20:48 * oleonard liked that one too wizzyrea
20:48 oleonard It was the "dupree" that made it all come together
20:49 wizzyrea pretty eyes dupree I think would be my favorite
20:49 cait curly hips gumbo brown?
20:49 hmpf
20:51 oooh
20:51 oleonard:
20:51 i was wondering if you could rebase 7113
20:51 because when you did
20:51 wizzyrea bug 7113
20:51 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7113 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Patch doesn't apply , Standardize vendor id name in templates and scripts
20:51 cait I could sign off on it again :)
20:52 oleonard I started to, and ran into a snag with some newly-added stuff. I need to go back to it. Maybe tomorrow.
20:57 * jcamins heads to Forest Hills to fill up a suitcase and head back into the city to catch a bus to the suburbs.
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21:00 * oleonard hopes jcamins_away is going to fill the suitcase with money
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21:04 cait oleonard: cool :)
21:06 * oleonard thinks there are some newly-introduced instances of vendor id which will have to be tracked down
21:10 wizzyrea is there something like lifehacker that focuses on open platforms?
21:10 * wizzyrea is tired of reading about windows and iphones
21:10 magnuse bleurgh
21:11 hopes this may be improved into something useful one day: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]e_Debian_packages
21:11 wizzyrea oo yea - did you start that magnuse?
21:11 magnuse yup
21:11 wizzyrea good one
21:12 we also need one for "moving a dev install to a package install"
21:12 magnuse hope it will do more good than bad, but probably needs some work
21:12 wizzyrea *nod*
21:12 magnuse well, they should be quite similar, i think
21:12 wizzyrea yea
21:12 magnuse well, i guess i just left all the old files etc in place
21:13 wizzyrea there would be some futzing about with paths
21:13 magnuse explaining how to clean up *everything* would require two different variants
21:13 wizzyrea yea
21:13 and we've seen how well that works in the install documentation. >.>
21:14 magnuse heh?
21:17 wizzyrea people end up very confused.
21:17 I have meant to separate out the dev and "standard" installs
21:17 magnuse ah yes
21:17 wizzyrea and create a "packages" install guide
21:18 magnuse yeah, that can be short and sweet, at least ;-)
21:18 wizzyrea hehe yea
21:18 oh I just love those rounded corners on the tabs in the staff client
21:18 magnuse they *are* purdy ;-)
21:18 success! http://koha.sipri.org/
21:19 wizzyrea yay!
21:19 I can get behind a library that uses koha for their repository of international peace research
21:19 sipri++
21:19 * oleonard motors
21:19 wizzyrea nbyee
21:27 magnuse wizzyrea: yay - i feel it helps a little for my karma - my main customer is the royal naval academy...
21:28 have fun, #koha!
21:38 wizzyrea but the royal naval academy of *norway* which probably does mostly peacekeeping missions anyway
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21:50 librarygeekadam good day!
21:51 would any one have a minute to help me out with installation?
21:51 i had this problem last time and I cannot remember how i got it working
21:52 when I go to access the Koha admin through my browser i get "Not Found The requested URL / was not found on this server." Any ideas?
21:53 wizzyrea disable your apache default virtualhost?
21:53 a2dissite default
21:53 apache2ctl restart
21:53 sudo as appropriate, of course.
21:54 librarygeekadam i have done that but let me try again
21:54 wizzyrea did you change the ip in your koha virtualhost to match the actual IP of the server?
21:55 librarygeekadam hmmm...i dont know
21:55 wizzyrea from 127.0.1.1 to your IP
21:55 librarygeekadam what command do I run to do that?
21:55 wizzyrea use your favorite editor to edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha
21:55 librarygeekadam i ran the first thing you  told me and got an error "NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts"
21:56 wizzyrea or you can change the 127.0.1.1 to *
21:56 librarygeekadam ok this is what I have in that file
21:57 I have edited before
21:57 wizzyrea paste.koha-community.org
21:57 :)
21:57 or pastebin ^.^
21:57 librarygeekadam in the instructions it gives this "VirtualHost 127.0.0.1:80"
21:57 but my file says this "VirtualHost 127.0.1.1:80"
21:57 it has a 1 instead of a 0
21:58 wizzyrea yep, change the 1 to a 0, I think that's a longstanding typo.
21:58 librarygeekadam so i changed it so it looks like this now "VirtualHost 127.0.0.1:80 (my ip address):80"
21:59 is that correct?
21:59 wizzyrea no, you want VirtualHost <your ip>:80
21:59 librarygeekadam ok
22:00 for the second virtualhost further down as well then?
22:00 wizzyrea unless you're only accessing it from localhost (127.0.0.1) then you'd probably want it to answer on the IP of the machine
22:00 yep
22:00 librarygeekadam yeah i am only running this on a laptop to test
22:01 wizzyrea then 127.0.0.1 is what you'd want
22:01 librarygeekadam followed by my ip?
22:01 wizzyrea (is what I do on my laptop)
22:01 nope, just 127.0.0.1:80
22:01 librarygeekadam ok
22:01 let me try that real quick
22:02 wizzyrea remember to restart apache after you make the change :)
22:03 librarygeekadam ok i did that
22:03 and I get this error "NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts"
22:03 i got that when I restarted apache2
22:03 wizzyrea is there a koha in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
22:03 if not
22:03 a2ensite koha
22:03 aarkerio librarygeekadam, maybe you need edit /etc/apache2/ports.conf  to add:    listen 8080
22:04 and NameVirtualHost 127.0.1.1:8080
22:06 librarygeekadam hmmm
22:06 well i had listen 8080
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22:06 wizzyrea you have a typo there aarkerio - 127.0.0.1 is what he needs for localhost.
22:07 librarygeekadam i added NameVirtualHost *:8080 and I got back 2 errors now when restarting apache - 1 for VH80 and 1 for VH8080
22:07 aarkerio wizzyrea, I think koha installer choose  127.0.1.1 in many installations
22:07 wizzyrea it does - and it's not right.
22:09 aarkerio librarygeekadam, your IP must be the same in koha-httpd.conf and ports.conf
22:09 I mean if in one you have VirtualHost 127.0.1.1:80
22:09 in ports you must have NameVirtualHost 127.0.1.1:80
22:10 no  t NameVirtualHost *:80
22:10 librarygeekadam ok
22:10 let me give that a go
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22:12 aarkerio by the way, if I omitted include MARC frameworks during installation
22:12 can I install them after setup?
22:17 librarygeekadam im sorry I would know...i have only gotten Koha installed once and I am trying to repeat but to no avail
22:20 still nothing for me
22:20 i still get errors
22:20 i tried going to 127.0.1.1:8080 and i get a software error
22:20 i try going to 127.0.0.1:8080 and I get "not Found"
22:21 aarkerio what error log say?
22:21 librarygeekadam what's the error log?
22:22 where it says software error: ....
22:23 Access denied for user 'koha'@localhost' to database 'kohadata' at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 693  (and 4 more lines
22:23 aarkerio sudo tail -f /var/log/apache2/error.log
22:23 maximep wrong db password ?
22:24 aarkerio try connect to DB from the command line
22:24 librarygeekadam ok how do i do that
22:24 maximep mysql -u koha -p kohadata
22:24 librarygeekadam sorry i am such a noob
22:27 aarkerio you should run "make test" during installation process ;-)
22:27 librarygeekadam ok when i try that i get "Access denied for user 'koha'@'localhost' to database 'kohadata'
22:27 i did run make test and it came out fine
22:27 maximep so either you have the wrong password or your user doesn't have permissions
22:28 there's probably a GRANT ALL line somewhere in the instructions ?
22:28 librarygeekadam yes there is
22:29 the make test = pass
22:30 should i run through the mysql part in the instructions again
22:33 any thoughts?
22:33 maximep probably
22:33 what instructions are u using?
22:33 librarygeekadam http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
22:35 maximep yeah i would do the mysql -u root -p part
22:35 and the GRANT ALL ON kohadata.* TO 'koha'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'YOURPASSWORD';
22:35 and then try again to connect with the koha user
22:36 librarygeekadam ok cool...that's what i was leaning towards :)
22:38 YES! it worked that time! thanks a bunch everyone!
22:41 maximep yay =)
22:42 wizzyrea squee!
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