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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:00 | * jcamins_away | seeks around for more bad news to give rangi. |
| 00:00 | jcamins_away | [A |
| 00:01 | Whoops. | |
| 00:08 | * jcamins_away | leaves again. |
| 00:44 | melia | I need help applying a patch. this page doesn't tell me what to do if the patch includes database schema changes: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_bz_configuration |
| 00:44 | (and I'm not a developer, so I don't just know the answer) | |
| 00:51 | no takers. ah well. I'm giving up for today! :) | |
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| 01:40 | wizzyrea | @later tell melia http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]#Database_updates may help you with your query from yesterday. :) |
| 01:40 | huginn` | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
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| 02:41 | Brooke | o/ |
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| 03:15 | druthb | o/ |
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| 03:37 | AmitG | heya bag :d |
| 03:37 | Good morning koha :D | |
| 03:37 | mtj around ? | |
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| 04:46 | kmkale | Namaskaar #koha |
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| 05:08 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 05:21 | kmkale | Namaste cait :) |
| 05:22 | @seen jransom | |
| 05:22 | huginn` | kmkale: jransom was last seen in #koha 1 week, 1 day, 10 hours, 22 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <jransom> im off folks - meetings to get to |
| 05:24 | cait | hi kmkale |
| 05:25 | kmkale | cait can I interest you in signing off on bug 6843? |
| 05:25 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6843 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Renew membership from expiry date or from current date |
| 05:25 | cait | ah |
| 05:25 | kmkale | simple stuff really |
| 05:25 | cait | hasn't that be signed off already? |
| 05:25 | kmkale | not that I know of |
| 05:25 | cait | :) |
| 05:25 | last night | |
| 05:26 | but there is a follow up for it | |
| 05:26 | kmkale | OOOOHHHH :) |
| 05:26 | cait | I can check that |
| 05:26 | or you could :) | |
| 05:28 | kmkale | where is the follow up. I can only see Duncan's sign off |
| 05:28 | cait | ah you are right |
| 05:28 | was looking at another bug | |
| 05:28 | so he forgot to obsolete your patch :) | |
| 05:29 | ah, I see your patch is missing the bug number in the subject line | |
| 05:30 | kmkale | No its not. [PATCH] [Bug 6843] Renew membership from expiry date or from current |
| 05:30 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6843 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Renew membership from expiry date or from current date |
| 05:30 | cait | hm |
| 05:30 | kmkale | but another sign-off won't hurt :-D |
| 05:31 | cait | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]hment.cgi?id=6822 |
| 05:31 | heh | |
| 05:31 | I have a big list of thins for this morning, can't promise I will get to it | |
| 05:32 | kmkale | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]hment.cgi?id=6781 |
| 05:32 | cait | werid |
| 05:33 | so he deleted it? | |
| 05:33 | ah | |
| 05:33 | perhaps becaues you put it in square brackets | |
| 05:33 | kmkale | Duncan's signed off patch does not have the bug number in the subject line. |
| 05:33 | cait | it got deleted |
| 05:33 | kmkale | is that waht happens? |
| 05:33 | cait | it's a guess |
| 05:33 | but the other square bracket things are put in automatically | |
| 05:33 | so perhaps | |
| 05:51 | AmitG | heya cait |
| 05:52 | cait | hi AmitG |
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| 06:08 | cait | hi trea |
| 06:08 | can I ask you something as a native speaker? :) | |
| 06:08 | trea | go ahead |
| 06:08 | and hi | |
| 06:08 | cait | and why are you awake? |
| 06:08 | trea | there's work to do |
| 06:08 | cait | I am looking at the last touches for 5347 |
| 06:09 | trea: not sure that's an excuse | |
| 06:09 | we have 2 new columns there now: claims count and claimed date | |
| 06:09 | trea | hehe ok |
| 06:09 | cait | on the page for late orders |
| 06:09 | claims count is the number of times you have sent out the mail | |
| 06:09 | and claimed date the last time you sent one | |
| 06:10 | I am not sure if the names are good | |
| 06:10 | perhaps claim count and claim date? | |
| 06:10 | or something else? | |
| 06:10 | trea | let me read over 5347. one moment. |
| 06:10 | cait | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]hment.cgi?id=6661 |
| 06:10 | there is a screenshot :) | |
| 06:11 | trea | who do the mail messages goto? the vendor? |
| 06:11 | cait | yes |
| 06:11 | you are late with... sent it immediately | |
| 06:11 | trea | it being books/items/etc |
| 06:12 | cait | yes |
| 06:12 | trea | so it's a count of the number of times a message has been sent to a vendor |
| 06:12 | cait | yep |
| 06:12 | trea | and the message says "please send items immediately?" |
| 06:12 | cait | or whatever you want |
| 06:12 | trea | or what does it say |
| 06:12 | mmm | |
| 06:13 | cait | the template is ACQCLAIM and it's for orders that are late |
| 06:13 | trea | aha. ok |
| 06:13 | then in that context those make sense | |
| 06:13 | it's just not a process i'm familiar enough with | |
| 06:14 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Requisition | |
| 06:14 | ? | |
| 06:14 | is requisition used elsewhere in koha? | |
| 06:14 | because that's what this is. a written request for "something" | |
| 06:16 | cait | no |
| 06:16 | we have late orders and claims in koha | |
| 06:16 | so claimed date and claims counter it is :) | |
| 06:17 | trea | glad i could help |
| 06:17 | cait | I thik requisition is before you order |
| 06:17 | claiming is after | |
| 06:17 | trea | ah, good point |
| 06:18 | cait | trea++ :) |
| 06:55 | magnuse | kia ora #koha |
| 06:55 | cait | morning magnuse :) |
| 06:56 | magnuse | guten morgen cait |
| 06:58 | cait | hmm |
| 06:59 | magnuse: can you take a look at 7247? | |
| 06:59 | magnuse | well, i can *look* at it |
| 06:59 | ;-) | |
| 06:59 | cait | I don't require more ) |
| 06:59 | the help now states | |
| 06:59 | increase the amount of logging. Normally only | |
| 06:59 | warnings and errors from the indexing are shown. | |
| 06:59 | Use log level 2 (-vv) to include all Zebra logs. | |
| 06:59 | but -vv does not work for me, only -v -v | |
| 06:59 | and -v | |
| 07:00 | so is this a failed qa? | |
| 07:02 | magnuse | it says -vv should work - id it does not i'd say that's a fail, yeah |
| 07:03 | cait | ok |
| 07:03 | I was not sure if this is some syntax I don't know | |
| 07:04 | magnuse | i'm not very familiar with it either |
| 07:04 | it might be that "everyone" knows -vv means you have to write out -v -v | |
| 07:05 | but then we should not make it look like you can do -vv - if it confuses us it will confuse others... | |
| 07:07 | cait | heh |
| 07:07 | I will add a note to the bug and people can disagree | |
| 07:07 | thx :) | |
| 07:10 | magnuse | the docs i found says this about +: "The option does not take an argument and will be incremented by 1 every time it appears on the command line. E.g. "more+" , when used with --more --more --more, will increment the value three times, resulting in a value of 3 (provided it was 0 or undefined at first)." |
| 07:10 | doesn't say anything about short options... | |
| 07:11 | cait | now I am confused |
| 07:11 | even more than before :) | |
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| 07:24 | cait | morgen mbalmer |
| 07:24 | mbalmer | morgen! |
| 07:29 | AmitG | heya alex_a, mabalmer |
| 07:33 | alex_a | hi AmitG |
| 07:33 | hi cait | |
| 07:33 | hi mbalmer | |
| 07:33 | cait | hi alex_a :) |
| 07:33 | alex_a: hope jonathan is not going to kill me | |
| 07:34 | alex_a | jonathan never did that i believe |
| 07:35 | cait | never did that before you mean? :) |
| 07:35 | alex_a | yes :) |
| 07:35 | in french we say: "never say never" in english too ? | |
| 07:35 | :D | |
| 07:35 | cait | hehe |
| 07:35 | in German we say that too | |
| 07:35 | sag niemals nie | |
| 07:37 | alex_a | cait: what is the problem ? |
| 07:37 | wahanui | hmmm... the problem is its human beings doing it |
| 07:38 | cait | I failed late order management again |
| 07:38 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7355] Note subfields are not displayed in TEXTAREA if hidden <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7355> |
| 07:38 | cait | broken diacritics in my mail |
| 07:39 | turns out I never picked a title with umlauts in my other tests | |
| 07:40 | alex_a | is it serious ? |
| 07:41 | cait | alex_a: I think so |
| 07:41 | you only get ? where umluats should be, I think it will be similar for french accents | |
| 07:41 | ok, bbiab | |
| 07:41 | alex_a | umluats ? |
| 07:42 | cait | üäö |
| 07:42 | ÜÖÄ | |
| 07:42 | alex_a | ok |
| 07:42 | cait | something wrong with the encoding |
| 07:42 | mbalmer | Joachim is rocking my house…. |
| 07:42 | cait | mbalmer: ? |
| 07:43 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 07:43 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.8°C (8:39 AM CET on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.33 in 993.1 hPa (Falling). |
| 07:43 | cait | oh, the storm is named Joachim? |
| 07:43 | mbalmer | yep |
| 07:43 | cait | not so much storm here, only rain... meh |
| 07:43 | have to walk to work | |
| 07:43 | bye all | |
| 07:43 | mbalmer | it's now hitting switzerland, up to 140 km/h |
| 07:44 | cait left #koha | |
| 07:44 | alex_a | not storm here either |
| 07:44 | :) | |
| 07:47 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 07:47 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (8:20 AM CET on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.00 in 982 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:47 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
| 07:47 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 11.0°C (8:30 AM CET on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:48 | magnuse | @wunder wellington, nz |
| 07:48 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:48 | magnuse | hm |
| 07:55 | rangi | sup dudes |
| 07:56 | * rangi | may have been drinking since 1pm so im not signing anything off |
| 07:56 | magnuse | hehe |
| 07:57 | and now it's 9 pm? | |
| 07:57 | maybe write some patches instead, then? | |
| 07:58 | mbalmer | <rangi> I'm turning beer into code |
| 07:58 | rangi | more_beer.pl |
| 07:58 | AmitG | @wunder New Delhi |
| 07:58 | huginn` | AmitG: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 19.0°C (1:00 PM IST on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 35%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). |
| 07:58 | AmitG | @wunder Dehradun |
| 07:58 | huginn` | AmitG: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 16.0°C (11:30 AM IST on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa. |
| 07:58 | AmitG | @wunder Shimla |
| 07:58 | huginn` | AmitG: The current temperature in Shimla, India is 11.0°C (11:30 PM IST on November 08, 2008). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: (Falling). |
| 07:58 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn`. |
| 07:59 | magnuse | rangi: would that be a script for the opac or the staff client? |
| 07:59 | AmitG | @wunder Srinagar |
| 07:59 | huginn` | AmitG: The current temperature in Srinagar, India is 4.0°C (11:30 AM IST on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. |
| 07:59 | rangi | hmm staff I think |
| 07:59 | magnuse | heh, that's colder than bodø! |
| 07:59 | rangi: yay! | |
| 07:59 | rangi | @wunder wellington nz |
| 07:59 | huginn` | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising). |
| 08:00 | * rangi | is on the bus on the way home |
| 08:00 | magnuse | not the most amazing summer temperature i have heard of... |
| 08:00 | rangi | yeah its rainy and yuck |
| 08:01 | sposta be nice tomorrow | |
| 08:01 | magnuse | yay |
| 08:01 | better set your alarm for nice and early then! | |
| 08:02 | rangi | heh |
| 08:02 | no need for alarm | |
| 08:02 | I have children | |
| 08:02 | magnuse | well, how about if you woke them up for a change? |
| 08:02 | rangi | Hehe |
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| 08:03 | reiveune | hello |
| 08:03 | magnuse | bonjour reiveune |
| 08:05 | reiveune | Bonjour magnuse, everybody |
| 08:06 | paul_p | good morning world |
| 08:06 | magnuse | kia ora paul_p |
| 08:08 | mbalmer | #koha wakes up ;) |
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| 08:12 | magnuse | wow, 167 people with code in koha |
| 08:12 | community++ | |
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| 08:13 | AmitG | heya reiveune |
| 08:13 | wahanui | reiveune is working for biblibre |
| 08:14 | AmitG | gaten around ? |
| 08:14 | reiveune | hi AmitG |
| 08:14 | mbalmer | when I work on a feature, which will probably take a substantial time (3-6 months), I create a branch. Should I also create a "Bug" for it, although it will likely produce many, many diffs? |
| 08:14 | francharb | hello |
| 08:14 | alex_a | wahanui knows too many things |
| 08:14 | wahanui | alex_a: sorry... |
| 08:14 | mbalmer | or this there a different process? |
| 08:15 | magnuse | mbalmer: yes, create a bug, that way people can see you are working on it |
| 08:15 | AmitG | reiveune: whr is gaten? |
| 08:15 | mbalmer | magnuse, ok. |
| 08:15 | magnuse | mbalmer: you don't have to attach patches before they are ready, though |
| 08:16 | mbalmer | ok. |
| 08:16 | reiveune | AmitG: I don't know, I'm in France |
| 08:16 | magnuse | mbalmer: what some people do is point to a git repo from the bug report, and say i'm publishing my work here every now and then, so people can have a look if they want |
| 08:16 | mbalmer | ah yes, I could git push to github or so |
| 08:17 | well, before I start, I need to install my system from source, removing the debian packages first | |
| 08:17 | magnuse | mbalmer: if it's something non-trivial it's also considered nice to put an RFC on the wiki, with a description of what you are doing |
| 08:17 | mbalmer | yes, I will need that anyways, to log about the progress |
| 08:17 | magnuse | good thinking ;-) |
| 08:18 | mbalmer | biggest problem though is still my knowledge of perl (or rather lack thereof) |
| 08:18 | magnuse | practice makes perfect! ;-) |
| 08:19 | what are going to work on? | |
| 08:19 | mbalmer | pgsql |
| 08:19 | magnuse | ah |
| 08:19 | others will have opinions on that, so an RFC will be very good | |
| 08:20 | mbalmer | yes, some already statet opinions here. |
| 08:20 | magnuse | ah, cool |
| 08:20 | mbalmer | which are not necessary coherent with my ideas, though :> |
| 08:20 | but time will tell | |
| 08:20 | magnuse | will you add pgsql in parallell to mysql or use an abstraction layer? |
| 08:21 | mbalmer | right now I have tendency towards "parallel mode" |
| 08:22 | magnuse | ah yes, people will have opinions on that ;-) |
| 08:23 | mbalmer | mysql and pgsql _ARE_ different, so a common abstraction layer brings the danger of it being the least common denominator, not taking advantage of either feature set. |
| 08:23 | magnuse | sure |
| 08:23 | mbalmer | so I think it is better to have two interfaces in parallel, each one optimized, and only then see if the can be abstracted. |
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| 08:24 | kf | meeh |
| 08:24 | light rain | |
| 08:24 | bah. | |
| 08:24 | underground passage (rails) was flooded - I am soaked. | |
| 08:24 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 08:24 | huginn` | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 5.1°C (9:20 AM CET on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.29 in 991.8 hPa (Falling). |
| 08:24 | magnuse | ouch! |
| 08:24 | almost sounds like a monday... | |
| 08:24 | mbalmer | an abstraction layer should only come when there are actually at least two things to abstract from, it should not be starting point. though a clear API could be a "middle ground" |
| 08:25 | kf | magnuse: worse than a monday |
| 08:25 | AmitG | heya kf :D |
| 08:25 | magnuse | mbalmer: that sounds like an argument - i do not have very strong opinions on it myself... ;-) |
| 08:25 | kf: ouch! | |
| 08:26 | kf | glad I had sweat pants from gymnastics at work and got socks from a coworker |
| 08:26 | but meh! | |
| 08:27 | AmitG | chris_n around? |
| 08:27 | kf | AmitG: he is in the US - too early |
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| 08:27 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:27 | wahanui | salut, gaetan_B |
| 08:27 | gaetan_B | :) |
| 08:28 | kf | hi gaetan_B |
| 08:33 | alex_a | kf, very good news: jonathan just said he will not kill you ;) |
| 08:33 | asaurat | he'll only maim you |
| 08:33 | hi kf ! :D | |
| 08:34 | kf | alex_a: YAY! :) |
| 08:34 | hi asaurat | |
| 08:34 | alex_a: did he opt for poisoning me next time we meet? | |
| 08:34 | oh | |
| 08:34 | maiming... not nice | |
| 08:35 | asaurat | =) no, he actually said he was a pacifist, so no need to worry I guess ;) |
| 08:35 | alex_a | kf: lol |
| 08:35 | kf | asaurat: I might change that... |
| 08:37 | but yay for now :) | |
| 08:42 | sophie_m | hello #koha |
| 08:46 | kf | hi sophie_m |
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| 08:53 | mbalmer | is 'C4/Auth_cas_servers.yaml.orig' a mistake? i.e. why the '.orig' suffix? |
| 08:58 | kf | I think you might be supposed to copy the file? not sure. |
| 08:58 | we are not using CAS | |
| 08:58 | mbalmer | couldn't that be a leftover from applying a patch? |
| 08:59 | kf | i think asking someone from biblibre will help |
| 09:00 | fredericd: around? | |
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| 09:04 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6755] Problems with switching languages <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6755> |
| 09:06 | mbalmer | got myself "Learning Perl, 6th Edition" for $4.99 |
| 09:15 | kf | not sure which edition I have |
| 09:15 | still have 2 chapters to read.. | |
| 09:16 | mbalmer | I looked up the ISBN at amazon, registered as print book at o'reilly, then upgraded to the ebook for 5$ (you can upgrade any book you registered for 5$) |
| 09:19 | paul_p? | |
| 09:19 | wahanui | paul_p is the 3.8 release manager, and is very tall, and does not like coffee. |
| 09:19 | paul_p | mbalmer, yep |
| 09:20 | mbalmer | wrt ot your comment, I guess it happened because I used diff and patch directly on my repo (nit got diff etc.) |
| 09:20 | so I somehow got the stuff screwed up. | |
| 09:20 | beginners mistake, I guess. | |
| 09:20 | paul_p | you're probably right. |
| 09:20 | mbalmer, do you know git bz ? | |
| 09:21 | (the handiest tool I've seen with git !!!) | |
| 09:21 | mbalmer | it has been mentioned to me and it is on my list to try out. |
| 09:21 | AmitG | heya paul_p |
| 09:21 | paul_p | hi AmitG |
| 09:21 | kf | paul_p: so simple, so much fun :) |
| 09:21 | mbalmer | right now U have to brush up my Perl a bit (I am usually a C/kernel hacker) |
| 09:22 | s/U/I/ | |
| 09:22 | kf | we also have js, html, template toolkit and xslt ... more fun! :) |
| 09:22 | mbalmer | these are no problem. |
| 09:22 | it's really only perl. | |
| 09:27 | kf | paul_p: perhaps we should fix the patch - revert and mbalmer could sign off the original? |
| 09:28 | paul_p | kf, for a so small patch, it's not worth it. |
| 09:28 | kf | I am not sure I agree |
| 09:29 | paul_p | kf, why ? |
| 09:29 | kf | mbalmer has some patches waiting for sign-off - so I think it will not change the history.txt |
| 09:29 | but still it's fredericd's patch | |
| 09:29 | and wrong history | |
| 09:44 | mbalmer | a bit much work for two lines of code, don't you think? but then it's up to you of course. |
| 09:47 | kf | rm decides really, and if fredericd had a problem with it |
| 09:54 | francharb | anyone knows what biblioitems.cn_* are meant for? |
| 09:55 | are there info that populate automatically those field like items.cn_sort? | |
| 09:57 | bigbrovar | Timezone appropriate greetings guys :) |
| 09:58 | kf | francharb: yes |
| 09:58 | francharb: it's a sortable form of the callnumber | |
| 09:58 | francharb: and it's populated according to what you set as classification source and uses the filing rule specified in adminsitration > classiciation source and filing rules | |
| 09:59 | francharb | in biblioitems too? |
| 09:59 | kf | oh |
| 09:59 | sorry, misread | |
| 09:59 | not sure the fields there are in use | |
| 09:59 | but it probably once was the same ideaß | |
| 09:59 | ? | |
| 09:59 | francharb | i guess |
| 10:00 | thanls kf | |
| 10:15 | kf, i found that in C4 : | |
| 10:15 | GetClassSort | |
| 10:15 | my $cn_sort = GetClassSort($cn_source, $cn_class, $cn_item); | |
| 10:15 | so i guess | |
| 10:15 | biblioitems | |
| 10:15 | cn_sort | |
| 10:15 | is populated | |
| 10:15 | the "same" way | |
| 10:16 | than items.cn_sort | |
| 10:16 | it's based on info within cn_source, cn_class and cn_item in biblioitems | |
| 10:16 | my2cts ;) | |
| 10:17 | kf | :) |
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| 11:42 | syed | hi all, |
| 11:48 | I have mapped 952$p with unique serial of barcode for circulation (e.g. LIB1000101, LIB1000102, LIB1000102) ... I also have Accession no. (e.g. 254123, 19982, 05241) please guide me what field I'll use for accession no. mapping (as i already have a 952$p for serial barcode) | |
| 12:10 | kf | hi syed |
| 12:10 | are you still here? | |
| 12:10 | syed | yes kf: |
| 12:11 | kf | 952$i |
| 12:11 | inventory number = accesscion number | |
| 12:11 | I was going to answer you on the mailing list right now | |
| 12:11 | depends on your version, I think it's available since 3.4 | |
| 12:11 | syed | so the librarian will use 952$i for internal item search |
| 12:11 | kf | hm |
| 12:11 | syed | i have 3.2 |
| 12:11 | kf | ah |
| 12:12 | 3.2 is more difficult | |
| 12:12 | syed | :( |
| 12:12 | kf | there is no field dedicated to accession numbers in 3.2 |
| 12:12 | that was intruduced later | |
| 12:12 | you could add 953$i to your framework without a mapping to items - but it will not be searchable | |
| 12:13 | syed | Ooo... |
| 12:13 | kf | if you want it to be searchable you might have to reuse the internal note or another field that already is searchable or create a search index |
| 12:14 | syed | Ok.... |
| 12:14 | thanks for your guidance kf: | |
| 12:15 | let me try 1st to find any searchable field in my existing koha version | |
| 12:19 | mbalmer | already found a few MySQLisms that do not exist in PostgreSQL. But so far nothing that could not be made to work. |
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| 12:27 | jcamins_away | paul_p: around? |
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| 12:40 | jcamins_away | paul_p: never mind, I'll be back later. I just remembered I have fudge to wrap. |
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| 12:43 | chris_n | @later tell AmitG just leave me a message via pm or @later or email |
| 12:43 | huginn` | chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
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| 12:46 | mbalmer | make Koha run on PostgreSQL will actually be not that hard, imo. |
| 12:47 | and it could actually benefit a great deal from pg features. | |
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| 12:54 | mbalmer_ | crap. power outage due to heavy storm... |
| 12:55 | kf | raining heavily here :( |
| 12:55 | but no storm so far | |
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| 12:59 | mbalmer | wow, locking on the table level, not seen that for a long time (I wonder what kind of dope the developer smoked ;) |
| 13:01 | wow, MySQL is such a piece of sh**** | |
| 13:02 | paul_p | mbalmer, you should not forget that Koha is 11 years old and some things where written with tools that were also 11 years old (dunno in this case but maybe there was only table locking at this time) |
| 13:02 | what I remember for sure is that we hadn't innoDB as an option, we had to cope with myISAM | |
| 13:02 | (which is really poor) | |
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| 13:03 | mbalmer | paul_p, not blaming anyone here, I am just mumbling will going through each and every file... |
| 13:04 | If I blame anything, then MySQL in general ,) | |
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| 13:12 | sekjal | morning, #koha |
| 13:13 | kmkale | Namaste sekjal :) |
| 13:14 | jcamins_away | sekjal: the hard part for user-configurable display is field order. |
| 13:14 | Choosing what to display and what not to display is easy. | |
| 13:14 | sekjal | ISBD view seems to handle order just fine |
| 13:14 | jcamins_away | It could even be customized on a record-by-record level like in Millennium. |
| 13:14 | sekjal | oh geeze |
| 13:14 | jcamins_away | sekjal: I meant with XSLT. |
| 13:15 | sekjal | jcamins_away: right. |
| 13:15 | it wouldn't just be a matter of "turn this field on" | |
| 13:15 | there would need to be the structural component as well | |
| 13:15 | jcamins_away | With XSLT? Sure it would. |
| 13:15 | Ah. You mean for ordering. Yes, that's what I was getting at. | |
| 13:16 | * sekjal | has only had the one cup of coffee |
| 13:16 | * jcamins_away | has untouched coffee. Perhaps he'd better have some. |
| 13:16 | sekjal | Namaste, kmkale |
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| 13:18 | * jcamins_away | just wanted to share that thought, and should go get ready and head into the city. |
| 13:19 | sekjal | I'm taking off in about 15 min for day 3 of training for a new library coop in New Hampshire |
| 13:20 | aside from getting their data out of their legacy systems, biggest issue as this point seems to be how to handle ILL | |
| 13:20 | they really want to give each ILL library 3 patron records in their system (one belonging to each library) | |
| 13:21 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 13:21 | sekjal | hi, oleonard |
| 13:25 | kmkale | sekjal: interesting. Your plan? |
| 13:26 | sekjal | kmkale: I really want them to use a single record for each ILL library. It doesn't make sense to me to have multiple records for the same entity |
| 13:26 | kmkale | sekjal: and handle everything with circ rules? |
| 13:26 | sekjal | kmkale: yes |
| 13:27 | kmkale | sekjal: so the challlenge is convincing them? |
| 13:27 | sekjal | they're going to apply as consistent a set of rules across the three libraries as possible |
| 13:27 | yes | |
| 13:27 | they're concerned about overdue notices to those ILL libraries | |
| 13:27 | they want to be sure the notice is coming from the right branch | |
| 13:27 | kmkale | aah. Can our notices do that? |
| 13:28 | sekjal | I think so |
| 13:28 | I'm reading the overdue_notices.pl code right now | |
| 13:28 | it looks like, if there are branch-specific overdue rules, the system will split overdue notices up between branches | |
| 13:28 | kmkale | so the from address gets inserted from the librarian's email for each branch? |
| 13:28 | sekjal | so if a patron has overdues at 3 different branches, they'll get three different emails |
| 13:29 | paul_p | sekjal, I think you're right |
| 13:29 | sekjal | hi, paul_p! |
| 13:29 | paul_p | (and, for some libraries, that's the expected behaviour, as they'll remind in the mail their opening hours, for example) |
| 13:29 | good morning sekjal ! | |
| 13:30 | kmkale | Namaste paul_p :) |
| 13:30 | paul_p | bonsoir koustubha |
| 13:30 | sekjal | while I was mucking about with telephone overdue notices, I wrote a new SQL query that I think may help simplify overdue_notices.pl |
| 13:30 | * kmkale | wonders how to pronounce that |
| 13:31 | sekjal | with a single query, I can get all the issue information, as well as the overdue rule to use (factoring in default values, and triggers) |
| 13:32 | pastebot | "sekjal" at 67.90.214.2 pasted "SQL to get overdue issues that should receive notification today" (12 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/159 |
| 13:34 | mbalmer | sekjal, can you do that without TO_DAYS? |
| 13:35 | sekjal | mbalmer: not sure... perhaps with a date_diff? |
| 13:35 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #575: SUCCESS in 52 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/575/ |
| 13:35 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7324: Show alternate email as mailto: / hide labels when field is empty | |
| 13:35 | * oleonard: Bug 7319 - Improving title and breadcrumbs on acquisitions Z39.50 search pages | |
| 13:35 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7324 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Show alternate email as mailto link on patron summary |
| 13:35 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7319 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Improve specificity of title and breadcrumbs on acquisitions Z39.50 search pages | |
| 13:35 | mbalmer | it would be nice to find a way that works with other DBs, too. |
| 13:35 | since I am now working on PostgreSQL support, I oppose by nature to anything that work with MySQL only ;) | |
| 13:36 | sekjal | mbalmer: good point. if we can find a univerally-supported (or at least Postgres supported) function to replace TO_DAYS queries, we can apply that throughout the system |
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| 13:37 | sekjal | TO_DAYS is 6 files currently, mostly as relates to overdues |
| 13:37 | mbalmer | well, given that MySQL doesn't even check dates…. (you can store completely illegal values).. |
| 13:37 | schuster | sekjal and all - regarding overdues etc... we have not been printing/emailing them, but do they include fines as well as overdues? |
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| 13:37 | kf | sekjal: just started reading back - we are thinking about ILL too. My idea was having a separate branch and perhaps have a branchtype - to mark functional branches. I think something like that was existant in early versions of Koha |
| 13:38 | mbalmer | I am currently going each and every file to find MySQLisms, then I can think about how to make it Pg/MySQL "compliant" |
| 13:38 | sekjal | mbalmer: godspeed to you on that! |
| 13:38 | DB_indepedence++ | |
| 13:38 | mbalmer | one easy way would be to provde a set of function to provide those MySQL only functions to PostgreSQL. |
| 13:38 | sekjal | misspelling_words_early_in_the_morning-- |
| 13:39 | schuster | ILL discussion - how is the "Fullfillment" project at Equinox coming along? I have not looked in on that for awhile. |
| 13:39 | sekjal | schuster: haven't heard, myself |
| 13:39 | mbalmer | sekjal, I will soon open a bug to keep track of the efforts. Bug title: "Koha uses MySQL" ;) |
| 13:39 | oleonard | schuster: I have an offer in to help test the Koha connector and I've gotten an initial response, but nothing further yet |
| 13:40 | schuster | So can anyone tell me if the "notices" actually looks at account lines to include those into notices? |
| 13:40 | * oleonard | isn't even sure yet how Fulfillment talks to Koha |
| 13:40 | kf | schuster: it's possible |
| 13:40 | for overdue fines | |
| 13:40 | sekjal | kf: I'll let you know what we brainstorm today, and maybe it'll be of use for ILL best practices |
| 13:40 | kf | not general fines |
| 13:40 | schuster | oleonard - that is good news kind of... wonders about poking gmcharlt to see if he can shed any light. |
| 13:40 | sekjal | or worse practices, if things go poorly |
| 13:40 | anwyay, time to dash | |
| 13:41 | cheers, all! | |
| 13:41 | kf | sekjal: talked to chris, he said the group functionality for branches was once used to do that |
| 13:41 | sekjal: my main concern was hiding my ill library from the opac pull downs | |
| 13:41 | schuster | A wiki page on ILL probably wouldn't hurt. |
| 13:41 | kf | sekjal: I am going to load all ill patrons from our union catalog system... and I don't want to blow up patron search for one or more of the circulating branches |
| 13:41 | schuster: there is one and a new bug | |
| 13:42 | schuster: but about your fine problem :) | |
| 13:42 | sekjal | kf: ok. more later, then! |
| 13:42 | kf | schuster: you can use a special syntax in your ODUE template |
| 13:42 | schuster | kf - ah - I don't do ILL the traditional public library way as we are a school district... |
| 13:42 | kf | schuster: <item> <fine></fine></item> |
| 13:43 | schuster | kf - interesting - yes I have seen that, but will it pull if they just have a fine and no overdue too? |
| 13:43 | kf | no |
| 13:43 | schuster | drat. |
| 13:43 | kf | only F and FU fines |
| 13:43 | which means | |
| 13:43 | book must still be checked out | |
| 13:43 | and has fines related to it | |
| 13:44 | I would like to see a new placeholder for a total value | |
| 13:44 | schuster | oleonard - do you all charge fines? |
| 13:44 | kf | total fines overdue and fines total |
| 13:44 | oleonard | schuster: No |
| 13:44 | schuster | Overdues are the bain of my existence... |
| 13:45 | maximep | do I really need to run misc/maintenance/remove_items_from_biblioitems.pl after an update from 3.2 to 3.6 ? |
| 13:45 | schuster | oleonard - if someone lost a book so you send it to lost, how do you notify them how much they owe? or??? |
| 13:46 | oleonard | We debar patrons who have overdues older than a certain number of days. We send out notices about those overdues (email and postcard) |
| 13:46 | After that we hope that their desire to use the library convinces them they should pay to replace anything they've really lost and can't return | |
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| 13:47 | schuster | At some point I would like to look into a way to generate overdues/fines on the fly for schools based on an sql kind of like using overdue.pl and then a button on the screen that would say generate notice. We don't have emails for our kids "yet" so we have to do paper and when we see them once a week it is easier to hand it out when they come in. |
| 13:48 | It is end of semester so when we come back from school they secondary are going to want to post ID's to students with "concerns" in the library that need to be taken care of. Currently we run Overdue.pl and then a "borrowers who owe money" report and merge them. I'd like to automate that some. | |
| 13:49 | back from school/back to school | |
| 13:49 | surprised actually I have not had calls about generating that report already. | |
| 13:51 | oleonard - do you dump borrowers inactive ever? | |
| 13:52 | oleonard | We never have |
| 13:52 | schuster | We are going to drop fines next year so fines won't be as big a deal. Just notification of Lost charges will become a concern. |
| 13:53 | oleonard | it's different for a school since your population disappears. We can hold out hope someone will return some day |
| 13:54 | schuster | Yeah after 2 years of inactivity we are starting to drop them - give them a little amnesty and hope they will come back and use the public library at least! Often when they move levels I encourage the librarians to clear all records and give the kid a fresh start... Trying to keep them as library users. |
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| 14:03 | kf | maximep: yes, if you have data in it you have to |
| 14:04 | maximep: it's stripping the items out of your marcxml blobs | |
| 14:05 | magnuse | schuster: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nter_Library_Loan and http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/ILL_RFC |
| 14:05 | maximep | everything seems to work without it |
| 14:05 | oleonard | kf: Was it you who was pointing out a useful feature of Template:Toolkit that we weren't taking advantage of? |
| 14:05 | kf | there is a reason for the script |
| 14:05 | * oleonard | is trying to remember what it was |
| 14:05 | kf | paul send a mail to the list, did you mean that? |
| 14:06 | magnuse | oleonard: there was some talk about caching? |
| 14:06 | kf | teh one about caching? |
| 14:06 | * oleonard | doesn't think that was it |
| 14:06 | kf | I think i showed you the dump thing for debugging |
| 14:06 | and we talked about filters once | |
| 14:06 | oleonard: I was thinking that it would be nice to rewrite some of the templates... | |
| 14:06 | like members | |
| 14:07 | we do a lot of things with lots of boolean values and it's overcomplicating things and osme things are really bad for translation | |
| 14:07 | oleonard | We do have a lot of extra logic that can be simplified now |
| 14:07 | lots of [ IF ][ IF ][ IF ]... | |
| 14:07 | kf | yes |
| 14:07 | it's horrible | |
| 14:07 | magnuse | yeah, i think going through the templates and thinking about translations would be really good |
| 14:07 | kf | sorry, have to eat cake... will be back:) |
| 14:08 | * oleonard | has started to make minor simplifications where possible |
| 14:08 | magnuse | oleonard++ |
| 14:09 | oleonard | QA'ers have been very forgiving of my "this bug requires a one-character fix but let me change all this too" patches |
| 14:13 | magnuse | hehe |
| 14:20 | paul_p | oleonard, ;-) |
| 14:23 | maximep | broke a production koha by updating from 3.2 to 3.6 last night. fun times :( |
| 14:24 | magnuse | how did it break? |
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| 14:30 | kf | maximep: you didn#t run the script? |
| 14:30 | maximep | forgot 1 step |
| 14:30 | cpan Template | |
| 14:30 | -_- | |
| 14:30 | always helps | |
| 14:30 | francharb | kf |
| 14:31 | maximep | works fine without running the script |
| 14:31 | francharb | do you know when is items.cn_sort used? |
| 14:31 | when we have a no zebra install? | |
| 14:31 | because zebra can manage the call number sorting right? | |
| 14:36 | kf | maximep: I am really worreid that you didn't run it |
| 14:36 | maximep: you probably still have item information in your marcxml blobs | |
| 14:36 | that's not good | |
| 14:36 | maximep | running it this night. Takes way too much cpu to run it on prod |
| 14:36 | oleonard | francharb: I see cn_sort used in places like overdues, the shelf browser, the holds queue |
| 14:36 | ...places where we don't use Zebra it looks like. | |
| 14:36 | kf | francharb: no, it's a general thing |
| 14:37 | maximep | aaaaaaaaaaaah cn_sort. My life would be easier if everyone just used lcc |
| 14:37 | kf | francharb: the problem is that alphabetic sorting does not work for callnumbers, because they are not made to be sortable by machines... |
| 14:37 | francharb | maximeop++ |
| 14:37 | kf | francharb: so the sortable form inserts spaces and things to make them sortable correctly |
| 14:38 | maximep: you don't have tot ell me.... here every library thinks it's funny to invent their own classification source... | |
| 14:38 | / classification | |
| 14:39 | so I end up using 'z' a lot and hoping for the best with generic | |
| 14:39 | magnuse | well, if that isn't funny, i don't know *what* is... ;-) |
| 14:39 | kf | hpf |
| 14:39 | francharb | kf, do you work with unimarc or marc21 records? |
| 14:40 | kf, what is the difference between Classification sources and classification filing rules? | |
| 14:41 | it's only classification source | |
| 14:41 | that library use | |
| 14:41 | when cataloging | |
| 14:41 | right? | |
| 14:41 | filing rules is somethinf for koha | |
| 14:41 | to know how to normalize call numbre | |
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| 14:50 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha. |
| 14:50 | magnuse | hiya jcamins |
| 14:52 | kf | ah sorry |
| 14:52 | got distracted | |
| 14:52 | francharb: marc21 | |
| 14:53 | francharb | thanks |
| 14:53 | kf | yes, you link filing rules to the classification sources under adminsitration |
| 14:53 | so the library selects what kind of classification the callnumber is | |
| 14:53 | and the system generates a sortable form for it in cn_source | |
| 14:53 | using the filing rule | |
| 14:54 | francharb | thanks! |
| 14:55 | * jcamins | puts a plate of fudge out for #koha. |
| 14:56 | kf | yum! |
| 14:56 | jcamins++ :) | |
| 14:58 | magnuse | yay |
| 14:58 | oleonard | http://www.screencast.com/t/Mb1Ugg7szemV Missing anything? |
| 14:58 | The (none) option is a little awkward but I didn't know how to make it sound better | |
| 14:59 | kf | you could do |
| 15:00 | show (no/firstname....) of commenter... | |
| 15:00 | no name | |
| 15:00 | perhaps? | |
| 15:00 | not sure if that sounds weird | |
| 15:03 | oleonard | http://www.screencast.com/t/oCWaTwEvId |
| 15:03 | kf | so not too weird? ) |
| 15:03 | :) | |
| 15:03 | oleonard++ for tackling that | |
| 15:03 | also a lot easier with tt I guess? | |
| 15:03 | magnuse | oleonard++ |
| 15:04 | wizzyrea | oo, oleonard++ |
| 15:04 | mbalmer | this storm is still strong, already two derailed trains... |
| 15:04 | kf | mbalmer: have not checked the news yet :( it's been raining here all day |
| 15:04 | oleonard | I'm not sure it makes sense to just show first name or just show last name, but I guess it doesn't hurt to offer the choice |
| 15:04 | kf | I expect some more flodding |
| 15:04 | flooding | |
| 15:05 | oleonard: data privacy... we will only be using 'no name' I guess... | |
| 15:05 | pity. | |
| 15:06 | chris_n | heya kf, oleonard, everyone |
| 15:06 | magnuse | next step (enh) might be to let the patron choose for him/her self? |
| 15:06 | oleonard | Even username would not be allowed kf? |
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| 15:07 | kf | oleonard: the system fills that with firstname.surname automatically... |
| 15:08 | and most other usernames we have make not much sense to show | |
| 15:08 | mbalmer | 175 km/h, not bad... |
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| 15:14 | * jcamins | wonders idly whether Template::Toolkit has a taint mode that allows one to securely use a template entered by the user. |
| 15:15 | wizzyrea | jcamins: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=224782 |
| 15:15 | possibly | |
| 15:15 | there are plugins for it | |
| 15:15 | proof of concept I guess. | |
| 15:16 | jcamins | Hm, but that still assumes the *template* is safe, doesn't it? |
| 15:18 | wizzyrea | i'm not sure really |
| 15:19 | jcamins | Great... my bank appears to have suffered a massive online banking failure. |
| 15:19 | wizzyrea | o no |
| 15:20 | jcamins | I can't log in, and when I called customer service, the automated attendant recommended calling back later. |
| 15:20 | kf | meh |
| 15:20 | <th title="Framework <!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="frameworkcode" --> als Tabelle (.csv, .xml, .ods) oder SQL-Datei (Felder und Unterfelder) importieren">Import</th> | |
| 15:20 | what's wrong here? | |
| 15:20 | :P | |
| 15:20 | oleonard | jcamins: Huge holiday party today at the bank |
| 15:20 | jcamins | kf: why are you still using H::T::P? |
| 15:20 | kf | hmpf |
| 15:20 | I am not | |
| 15:20 | wizzyrea | maybe that's what's wrong. |
| 15:20 | kf | something in my templates is wrong |
| 15:20 | jcamins | oleonard: heh. |
| 15:20 | kf | wizzyrea: rhetoric question |
| 15:21 | wizzyrea | oh, gotya |
| 15:21 | * jcamins | crosses his bank off his gift list. |
| 15:21 | jcamins | No fudge for them. |
| 15:21 | kf | lol |
| 15:21 | that's worse then 'no cookie for you' | |
| 15:22 | than even | |
| 15:25 | magnuse | ooh, ELAG in Palma de Mallorca http://www.elag.org/ |
| 15:27 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7361 Fix default option in encoding dropdown <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]843f7ec407af1c759> / Bug 7349: corrects sort order for Patron search <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3fbe6d94152921758> |
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| 15:29 | rhcl_away | mbalmer: OK, I'm a bit curious. What is <traveling at> 175 km/h? |
| 15:29 | mbalmer | the wind in switzerland, storm "Joachim" is hitting us badly |
| 15:44 | rhcl | 108MPH? I had no idea Switzerland ever had such wind speeds. |
| 15:48 | I thought you might have meant the trains. | |
| 15:49 | maximep | bug 6943 :( |
| 15:49 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6943 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, pelletiermaxime, ASSIGNED , Create new budget from a copy of a previous budget |
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| 15:52 | oleonard | With ShowReviewer pref set to "no name" http://screencast.com/t/ymbdSfzt |
| 15:53 | wizzyrea | still traceable by avatar? |
| 15:53 | but you can turn it off so meh. | |
| 15:53 | magnuse | oleonard++ |
| 15:53 | oleonard | Only because I'm logged in and that's my comment wizzyrea |
| 15:53 | wizzyrea | I like it |
| 15:53 | cool | |
| 15:53 | magnuse | very cool |
| 15:54 | jcamins | oleonard: great comment! |
| 15:54 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 15:55 | * magnuse | giggled |
| 15:56 | magnuse | Koha Christmas Party in 1 weeks time? |
| 15:56 | oleonard | I'm off. Will be back if the library I'm going to hasn't blocked IRC & git ports in the firewall :| |
| 15:57 | wizzyrea | yep, that's the idea! |
| 15:57 | * wizzyrea | is not sure how to coordinate a worldwide party, but I'm sure gonna try. |
| 15:57 | magnuse | yay |
| 15:59 | wizzyrea | this will sound crazy - what about something like a digital gift exchange? Where we find digital things (articles, videos, music, games) that we think each other would like, wrap them in tinyurls, and give them as presents? |
| 16:00 | (I told you it was crazy) | |
| 16:00 | magnuse | crazy and cool! |
| 16:00 | wizzyrea | kind of a "I think you would like this" kind of thing |
| 16:01 | magnuse | person-to-person or "i think y'all would like this"? both, maybe... |
| 16:01 | wizzyrea | well I was thinking person to person but certainly there are things out there we all like |
| 16:01 | magnuse | like koha! |
| 16:02 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 16:02 | well that is the gift that just keeps on giving ;) | |
| 16:02 | magnuse | http://tinyurl.com/y879ptq |
| 16:02 | wizzyrea | hehe! |
| 16:03 | jcamins | curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies? |
| 16:04 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7363] Downloading a list in CSV format doesn't work <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7363> |
| 16:04 | jcamins | wahanui: curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies are at http://www.cookiemadness.net/2[…]ate-chip-cookies/ |
| 16:04 | wahanui | OK, jcamins. |
| 16:04 | * jcamins | gives an early gift. |
| 16:04 | jcamins | :) |
| 16:05 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #576: UNSTABLE in 52 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/576/ |
| 16:05 | * semarie-koha: Bug 7282 - invalid language selection | |
| 16:05 | * duncan: Bug 5327: Added unit test for C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/RenewAll.pm | |
| 16:05 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7282 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, semarie-koha, ASSIGNED , invalid language selection |
| 16:05 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules | |
| 16:05 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 577 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #575 3 h 23 mn ago) |
| 16:05 | kf | maximep: why looking so sad? |
| 16:05 | hard to fix? | |
| 16:05 | maximep | last comment |
| 16:05 | jcamins | kf: duplicated work. |
| 16:06 | magnuse | UNSTABLE? run to the hills! |
| 16:06 | maximep | worked on this in june, coudlnt send it before september |
| 16:06 | kf | sorry, didn't check the comments |
| 16:06 | was configuring a new koha installation :) | |
| 16:06 | maximep | and now they duplicated my work :/ |
| 16:06 | jcamins | new_koha_installations++ |
| 16:07 | * wizzyrea | mutters about jenkins |
| 16:07 | wizzyrea | oh, I bet the test is using a card number that doesn't exist in the sample data |
| 16:08 | kf | maximep: not your fault, I am not sure the spec or another bug for this exists... |
| 16:08 | I commented | |
| 16:08 | * wizzyrea | will take a look |
| 16:08 | kf | communication is always teh problem :( |
| 16:08 | jcamins | It is. :( |
| 16:09 | chris_n | unstable? no wonder the bells and whistles were going off on my computer :-) |
| 16:09 | * jcamins | mutters dire imprecations at authority matching. |
| 16:10 | kf | jcamins: east some of your fudge? |
| 16:10 | jcamins | I don't have any with me. |
| 16:12 | wizzyrea | possibly that unstable is caused by the jenkins db |
| 16:13 | i'm about to find out | |
| 16:14 | yea, it passes with my test DB | |
| 16:14 | with the sample data | |
| 16:14 | magnuse | yay |
| 16:14 | wizzyrea | at least SIP_ILS.t passes. |
| 16:14 | paul_p | wizzyrea, it also passes with my test DB |
| 16:14 | (good morning) | |
| 16:15 | wizzyrea | cool - I bet that jenkins db doesn't have the test patrons |
| 16:15 | from the sample data | |
| 16:15 | paul_p | probably. we should ask chris to know why |
| 16:15 | wizzyrea | *nod* |
| 16:15 | paul_p | you drop him a mail ? |
| 16:15 | wizzyrea | yepper |
| 16:20 | kf | ok, time to leave.. |
| 16:21 | wizzyrea | bye! |
| 16:21 | kf | hopefully I will not get blown away by the storm |
| 16:21 | have anice weekend all :) | |
| 16:21 | wizzyrea | that would be bad. |
| 16:21 | ttyl :D | |
| 16:21 | kf | optimism! :) |
| 16:21 | magnuse | see ya kf |
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| 16:23 | jcamins | @later tell cait Maybe the storm could blow you to the big supermarket where you can find raspberry liqueur then blow you home, so you don't have to walk. :) |
| 16:23 | huginn` | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
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| 16:27 | jcamins | wizzyrea: you know that you can mark an attachment obsolete by using git-bz -e right? |
| 16:27 | wizzyrea | noo, I did not know that |
| 16:27 | what's the exact syntax? | |
| 16:27 | jcamins | Yeah, kf showed me. |
| 16:27 | git-bz -e 1633 HEAD | |
| 16:27 | wizzyrea | that is not in the docs |
| 16:27 | jcamins | It brings up the message for editing. |
| 16:28 | Scroll down to the bottom and you'll see lines you can uncomment for "Obsoletes attachment whatever" | |
| 16:28 | You have to be pretty quick, though. | |
| 16:28 | wizzyrea | so you still have to know what the attachment #is |
| 16:29 | jcamins | It'll say something like "Attachment #1234 - Only show Images tab when appropriate" |
| 16:29 | huginn` | 03Attachment http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]=1234&action=edit patch, bugfix, 0001--bug-3356-fix-search-in-order-receive.patch |
| 16:29 | jcamins | Whatever the description in Bugzilla is. |
| 16:29 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 16:30 | 6473 is the test bug, btw bug 6473 | |
| 16:30 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6473 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, REOPENED , Test bug for Git-bz |
| 16:30 | * magnuse | didn't know huginn knew about attachments |
| 16:30 | * wizzyrea | will investigate this |
| 16:30 | wizzyrea | thanks for pointing that out |
| 16:30 | jcamins | You're welcome. |
| 16:30 | wizzyrea | bc I think really the problem is forgetfulness |
| 16:30 | jcamins | cait++ # for explaining how to do it. |
| 16:30 | wizzyrea | and if you can do it through git bz then there's no excuse to forget |
| 16:31 | jcamins | Right. |
| 16:31 | wizzyrea | hm |
| 16:31 | doing that on mine | |
| 16:31 | lizkoha-deb:~/kohaclone$ git bz -e 6473 |
|
| 16:31 | Usage: git bz [add-url|apply|attach|edit|file|push] [options] | |
| 16:32 | I also tried it with HEAD at the end | |
| 16:32 | jcamins | git-bz -e attach 1633 HEAD |
| 16:32 | No, attach -e | |
| 16:32 | Sorry. | |
| 16:32 | I always get a bit confused. | |
| 16:33 | git bz edit 6473 may allow you to do it from the commandline, too. Not sure exactly what edit is for. | |
| 16:35 | wizzyrea | ok yea I see it now |
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| 16:40 | wizzyrea | I still can't get that to work |
| 16:40 | * chris_n | hands wizzrea a bigger hammer |
| 16:40 | * wizzyrea | grabs it and it falls down "geeze, that's a big hammer!" |
| 16:42 | wizzyrea | oh it's just very titchy. |
| 16:43 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:43 | wizzyrea | ok yea - here you can see my machinations |
| 16:43 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6473 | |
| 16:43 | huginn` | 04Bug 6473: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, REOPENED , Test bug for Git-bz |
| 16:44 | * wizzyrea | will add that to the git bz wiki, handy |
| 16:44 | magnuse | wizzyrea++ |
| 16:46 | wizzyrea | oy how can we up that timeout |
| 16:46 | that's annoying. | |
| 16:46 | jcamins | wizzyrea: no idea, but probably it would involve editing the code. |
| 16:47 | magnuse | yeah, that timeout is not good! |
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| 16:49 | cait | I am home! |
| 16:49 | * magnuse | wanders off, but might be back later |
| 16:50 | chris_n | bring some chocolate back with you magnus_afk |
| 16:51 | cait | oh yes |
| 16:51 | chocolate! | |
| 16:51 | wahanui | hmmm... chocolate is finite, we ate it all :) |
| 16:51 | cait | :) |
| 16:52 | * chris_n | thinks wahanui must be very ill then |
| 16:52 | jcamins | chris_n: and I think I'll have to start making fudge all over again! |
| 16:52 | cait | oh why? |
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| 16:53 | jcamins | cait: 'cause wahanui ate it all. |
| 16:53 | cait | h imelia |
| 16:53 | ah, only the chocolate | |
| 16:53 | not the fudge | |
| 16:53 | jcamins | There's chocolate in the fudge. |
| 16:54 | chris_n | unless you fudge and uses a substitute ;-) |
| 16:54 | englishism warning | |
| 16:54 | cait | lol |
| 16:54 | jcamins | lol |
| 16:54 | * cait | made fudge without chocolate |
| 16:54 | jcamins | O.O |
| 16:55 | :-O | |
| 16:55 | cait | there are lots of recipes for that? |
| 16:55 | chris_n | ooo... lunch time |
| 16:55 | jcamins | 8-O |
| 16:55 | cait | caramelly fudge |
| 16:55 | wizzyrea | white chocolate fudge |
| 16:55 | well, that's still got chocolate | |
| 16:55 | * jcamins | is scandalized. |
| 16:55 | jcamins | See? |
| 16:55 | cait | I am sorry |
| 16:55 | * wizzyrea | giggles |
| 16:55 | jcamins | cait: it's okay. |
| 16:55 | We forgive you. | |
| 16:55 | cait | I tried your chocolate fudge recipe but it didn't work for me... so I tried something else |
| 16:55 | * cait | hides |
| 16:55 | jcamins | :) |
| 16:55 | chris_n | did you use a copper bowl? |
| 16:55 | cait | no |
| 16:55 | chris_n | and a marble slab |
| 16:56 | * chris_n | quotes fudge lore |
| 16:56 | chris_n | ok, lunchtime for real now |
| 16:57 | jcamins | cait: it can take a few tries to get the fudge down to a science. |
| 16:58 | cait | so many things to learn |
| 16:58 | jcamins | cait: I don't use a copper bowl or a marble slab. |
| 16:58 | * cait | is relieved |
| 16:58 | jcamins | cait: if I had those I would, though. |
| 16:58 | One day we will put marble countertops in. | |
| 16:58 | It will be glorious. | |
| 16:58 | cait | heh |
| 16:59 | jcamins | And a tandoor. |
| 16:59 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #577: STILL UNSTABLE in 53 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/577/ |
| 16:59 | * adrien.saurat: Bug 7349: corrects sort order for Patron search | |
| 16:59 | * duncan: Bug 7361 Fix default option in encoding dropdown | |
| 16:59 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7349 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, adrien.saurat, ASSIGNED , Sorting patron search result by cardnumber doesn't work |
| 16:59 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7361 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, duncan, ASSIGNED , 'Default' encoding in staged marc import breaks diacritics | |
| 16:59 | jcamins | It will be doubly glorious. |
| 17:01 | maximep | yay for 7361 |
| 17:01 | jcamins | duncan++ |
| 17:01 | cait | yep |
| 17:02 | that was annoying | |
| 17:02 | jcamins | It was. |
| 17:02 | However, I didn't want to just willy nilly change the behavior of the tool because I didn't like that. | |
| 17:03 | cait | jcamins: you already made it a lot better |
| 17:03 | :) | |
| 17:03 | jcamins | cait: I know. It at least worked sometimes after my fix. ;) |
| 17:03 | cait | and now it's better again |
| 17:03 | ... we ar getting there :) | |
| 17:03 | * jcamins | just hopes that this doesn't break anyone's workflow. |
| 17:06 | cait | hm I don't think so |
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| 17:22 | slef | what tool? |
| 17:22 | hi all :) | |
| 17:22 | wizzyrea | hi :) |
| 17:22 | jcamins | slef: stage MARC records. |
| 17:22 | cait | slef: staged marc import - default preselected value for encoding |
| 17:24 | slef | oh I always have to RTFM on that one - doesn't everyone? ;-) |
| 17:24 | trea | slef: yes |
| 17:24 | slef | nice mail on debian-project "Must have popped a neuron there. sorry about the noise." |
| 17:24 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 17:32 | paul_p | OK, time to leave ... for one week. |
| 17:32 | cait | oh |
| 17:32 | vacation? | |
| 17:33 | paul_p | this week, the patches that have left the signed off status (for pushed or failed QA) has dropped from 107 to ... 41 !!!! |
| 17:33 | cait, yep, vacation ! | |
| 17:33 | cait | have a nice vacation :) |
| 17:33 | paul_p | 82 to sign-off ! |
| 17:33 | cait | so you will work between the holidays? |
| 17:34 | paul_p | cait, during my vacation I plan to work a little bit on my sandbox database idea. |
| 17:34 | we will implement it not exactly as I'd wished, but that should be something cool anyway | |
| 17:34 | cait | we will wait and see |
| 17:34 | but don't forget to enjoy your free time | |
| 17:35 | paul_p | reach test1.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/signoff.pl > choose your patch number > 5mn later, you'll have it, with default database loaded (improvement: choose which database you want) |
| 17:35 | we would have test1, test2, test3, ... up to test10 | |
| 17:36 | cait | sound snice |
| 17:36 | but will probably not work for every patch? | |
| 17:36 | paul_p | the limit of this being you must announce when you take a sandbox, to avoid having it replaced by someone else. but we don't have so many testers |
| 17:36 | cait | like patches with database updates / command line tools and such |
| 17:36 | no not really.. yet | |
| 17:36 | paul_p | updatedatabase => will work with the new structure ;-) |
| 17:36 | cait | hope this will get better |
| 17:37 | I hope we can get that in soon... it blocks some annoying tihngs | |
| 17:37 | paul_p | cait, bug ian ;-) |
| 17:37 | cait | and lots of new features will have to be reworked for the update part |
| 17:38 | paul_p | I also plan to put all console output during the setup of the sandbox in a koha news, so the tester will immediatly see if things went well or no |
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| 17:38 | paul_p | OK, this time, I really leave ! |
| 17:38 | wizzyrea | paul_p: that sounds awesome :D |
| 17:38 | cait | sounds like a plan |
| 17:38 | heh | |
| 17:38 | wizzyrea | bye, have a lovely vacation |
| 17:38 | paul_p | bye & see you on 26th |
| 17:38 | magnus_afk | paul_p++ |
| 17:38 | cait | when will yo ube back? |
| 17:38 | ah | |
| 17:38 | have fun :) | |
| 17:39 | magnus_afk | if biblibre finds a good way to do that others could follow in their tracks... |
| 17:41 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 3431 - Catalog by itemtype report pulling from holdingbranch <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]593b4c5c1020c69c3> / Bug 2307 - Calendar widget cannot be translated <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7032db78defa4377a> / Bug 7226 - can't add tags on list <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b/?p=koha.git;a=c |
| 17:42 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 578 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #575 5 h 0 mn ago) |
| 17:51 | rangi | right, should be back to stable this time |
| 17:51 | jcamins | rangi: it's Saturday. Sleep in. |
| 17:51 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 17:52 | rangi | swimming lessons at 9.30 |
| 17:52 | the kids are all awake already | |
| 17:52 | wizzyrea | oh that's very exciting. |
| 17:52 | rangi | last one for the year |
| 17:53 | kahu thinks there might be a christmas tree in the pool | |
| 17:53 | i suspect he will be disappointed | |
| 17:53 | chris_n | enjoy your holiday paul_p |
| 17:53 | jcamins | rangi: that's adorable. Where did he get that idea? |
| 17:54 | wizzyrea | awww |
| 17:54 | you could always plant one at the bottom, an ornament xmas tree that will sink ;) | |
| 17:54 | chris_n | floating presents too? |
| 17:54 | wizzyrea | or somesuch |
| 17:54 | rangi | hehe |
| 17:54 | wizzyrea | "look kahu! a xmas tree in the pool!" |
| 17:54 | rangi | jcamins: no idea, probably cos they are everywhere |
| 17:54 | wizzyrea | an* |
| 17:54 | meh. | |
| 18:05 | melia | good morning |
| 18:06 | rangi | hi melia |
| 18:07 | * jcamins | contemplates briefly how weird it is that it's morning in both NZ and California, but in California it's today, and in NZ it's tomorrow. |
| 18:07 | melia | heh. yes, definitely weird. |
| 18:07 | wizzyrea | i found it extremely odd that I arrived in california only 2 hours after I left NZ |
| 18:07 | cait | that is extremely odd |
| 18:08 | wizzyrea | it was... unsettling |
| 18:08 | :) | |
| 18:08 | cait | I can understand |
| 18:08 | wizzyrea | I just spent 13 hours on a plane what do you mean it's only been 2 hours! <freaks out> |
| 18:08 | * wizzyrea | giggles |
| 18:09 | wizzyrea | it wasn't that big of a deal really |
| 18:09 | rangi | ive arrived before i left |
| 18:09 | cait | ok |
| 18:09 | that tops extremely odd | |
| 18:09 | rangi | 18 hours behind |
| 18:09 | 13 hour flight | |
| 18:11 | wizzyrea | yea, that tops |
| 18:11 | that is ludicrously odd. | |
| 18:12 | rangi | laurel missed her birthday once |
| 18:12 | coming back | |
| 18:12 | wizzyrea | aww |
| 18:27 | slef | help? |
| 18:27 | mailing lists? | |
| 18:27 | wahanui | mailing lists are at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 18:27 | slef | wahanui: help is at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help. |
| 18:27 | heh, that failed | |
| 18:28 | jcamins | help? |
| 18:28 | wizzyrea | forget help |
| 18:28 | slef | help is at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help. |
| 18:28 | help? | |
| 18:28 | wahanui | help is, like, at http://koha-community.org/support/ if no-one here can help |
| 18:28 | slef | that worked |
| 18:28 | wizzyrea | i suspect he had a help is reply in there. |
| 18:29 | i suspect he had a help | |
| 18:29 | ok good :) | |
| 18:30 | slef | help is a command to wahanui |
| 18:30 | * rangi | goes to deal with the crazies^w children |
| 18:30 | cait | heh |
| 18:31 | rangi | cya's |
| 18:31 | wizzyrea | l8r |
| 18:34 | cait | bye rangi |
| 18:35 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 18:35 | Project Koha_master build #578: FIXED in 52 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/578/ | |
| 18:35 | * srdjan: bug_2830: Remove reserve when checking out if the borrower is not the first one in the reserve queue | |
| 18:35 | * sophie.meynieux: Bug 6292 followup | |
| 18:35 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 6292 : Overdue notices not being generated when borrower had an overdue older than the max value of the notice triggers | |
| 18:35 | * sophie.meynieux: Bug 6292 : Followup 2. several letters where generated if a borrower had overdues with different due_date triggering the same level | |
| 18:35 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6292 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist |
| 18:35 | jenkins_koha | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 6302: Separate AutoEmailPrimaryAdress and AutoEmailOpacUser |
| 18:35 | * m.de.rooy: 6302 follow up | |
| 18:35 | * oleonard: Bug 7226 - can't add tags on list | |
| 18:35 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6302 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Failing to send email notices - to_address not set |
| 18:35 | jenkins_koha | * oleonard: Bug 2307 - Calendar widget cannot be translated |
| 18:35 | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 3431 - Catalog by itemtype report pulling from holdingbranch | |
| 18:35 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7226 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Can't add tags on list |
| 18:35 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2307 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, REOPENED , Calendar widget cannot be translated | |
| 18:35 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3431 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Catalog by itemtype report pulling from holdingbranch | |
| 18:36 | slef | bbl |
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| 19:05 | rhcl | whoami |
| 19:07 | maximep | uru |
| 19:07 | cait | uru? |
| 19:07 | oh | |
| 19:08 | iami? | |
| 19:13 | maximep | u sure r |
| 19:13 | "without using XSLT stylesheet" was translated as "using XSLT" in our french translation | |
| 19:13 | fun. | |
| 19:13 | jcamins | maximep: whoops. |
| 19:14 | maximep | someone would change it in english |
| 19:14 | and the next would change it again in french | |
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| 19:16 | cait | maximep: that kind of problem sounds familiar |
| 19:16 | maximep | fixed at least 10 of those inverted translations in the fr-CA prefs :/ |
| 19:17 | cait | I feel with you |
| 19:17 | * cait | shares her cookies |
| 19:17 | maximep | =) |
| 19:17 | jcamins | Cookies? |
| 19:17 | wahanui | Cookies are delicious delicacies |
| 19:17 | jcamins | Yes they are. |
| 19:17 | wahanui: you're right. | |
| 19:17 | wahanui | jcamins: what? |
| 19:18 | jcamins | wahanui: true. |
| 19:18 | wahanui | true. is probably it possible to have automatic recurring invoices for each patron? |
| 19:18 | jcamins | wahanui: forget true |
| 19:18 | wahanui | jcamins, I didn't have anything matching true |
| 19:18 | maximep | i tought delicacies was spelled delicaties :S |
| 19:18 | jcamins | cait: what kind of cookies? |
| 19:18 | maximep | wahanui: forget true. |
| 19:18 | wahanui | maximep, I didn't have anything matching true |
| 19:18 | maximep | o_O |
| 19:18 | cait | virtual chocolate chip cookies |
| 19:20 | jcamins | cait: fresh from the oven? :) |
| 19:20 | cait | from the virtual oven, yes |
| 19:20 | jcamins | I've decided to make "hot fudge" as one of my varieties. :) |
| 19:21 | With harissa and/or hot pepper. | |
| 19:22 | cait | you are a crazy fudge maker :) |
| 19:22 | jcamins | I know. :) |
| 19:26 | cait | :) |
| 19:27 | oleonard | Okay, I need help. How to troubleshoot why zebra does not start up automatically? |
| 19:27 | * oleonard | isn't usually working from this laptop |
| 19:27 | cait | the zebrasrv thing? |
| 19:28 | stuartyeates joined #koha | |
| 19:28 | jcamins | oleonard: the script is either not in /etc/rc.d/ or it isn't executable? |
| 19:28 | oleonard: does it start up when you run koha-zebra-ctl.sh manually? | |
| 19:29 | cait | hm actually... minde doesn't start automatically too... |
| 19:29 | mine... | |
| 19:29 | * cait | goes to check what jcamins suggested |
| 19:29 | jcamins | /etc/init.d/ not /etc/rc.d/ |
| 19:29 | cait | that woudl have been my next question :) |
| 19:30 | oleonard | koha-zebra-daemon is in init.d, linked to koha-zebra-ctl.sh in my koha bin directory |
| 19:30 | jcamins | HM. |
| 19:30 | What are the permissions? | |
| 19:30 | wahanui | the permissions are save |
| 19:30 | jcamins | wahanui: forget permissions |
| 19:30 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot permissions |
| 19:31 | jcamins | wahanui: forget the permissions |
| 19:31 | wahanui | jcamins, I didn't have anything matching permissions |
| 19:31 | cait | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 43 2011-07-16 21:02 koha-zebra-daemon -> /home/katrin/koha-dev/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh |
| 19:31 | jcamins | Hm, that's right. |
| 19:31 | wahanui | I know. |
| 19:32 | oleonard | cait's matches mine |
| 19:32 | cait | I always have to poke it when I want to search |
| 19:33 | jcamins | sudo update-rc.d koha-zebra-daemon defaults |
| 19:34 | cait | .. already exist |
| 19:34 | oleonard | ditto |
| 19:34 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 19:34 | I'm not sure. | |
| 19:34 | I remember I had some sort of permission error when I first set up my dev box, but I don't see anything wrong with your permissions. | |
| 19:35 | Oh, what are the permissions on ~/koha-dev/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh ? | |
| 19:35 | cait | -rwxr-xr-x 1 katrin katrin |
| 19:35 | jcamins | Okay, that's right. |
| 19:35 | wahanui | I know. |
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| 19:39 | oleonard | When I manually run koha-zebra-ctl.sh I see "Starting Zebra Server" but it doesn't actually start |
| 19:39 | cait | I normally do /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon start and that works |
| 19:40 | but I always have to do i | |
| 19:40 | t | |
| 19:40 | jcamins | oleonard: in that case, I would speculate that you have a problem with permissions in /dev. |
| 19:40 | Do... | |
| 19:40 | ls -l /dev/null | |
| 19:40 | And: ls -l /dev/tty | |
| 19:41 | (and tell me what the permissions are) | |
| 19:41 | oleonard | crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2011-12-16 13:59 /dev/null |
| 19:41 | crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 5, 0 2011-12-16 14:33 /dev/tty | |
| 19:41 | jcamins | Hm. So much for that idea. |
| 19:42 | * jcamins | doesn't really have any more. |
| 19:43 | maximep | is there something in the koha-zebradaemon.err |
| 19:43 | or .log | |
| 19:44 | cait | hm |
| 19:44 | the last line is | |
| 19:44 | 20110717 01:27:08 koha-zebra-ctl.koha: fatal: terminated | |
| 19:44 | very old | |
| 19:46 | jcamins | cait: you have a different problem than oleonard, though, because Zebra starts for you, just not automatically. |
| 20:06 | magnuse | hm is the root part of lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 43 2011-07-16 21:02 koha-zebra-daemon -> /home/katrin/koha-dev/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh right? |
| 20:06 | shouldn't that be owned by the user who owns the config files etc? | |
| 20:07 | jcamins | magnuse: not sure. I don't have a Koha installation to look at. |
| 20:07 | magnuse | cait? |
| 20:07 | wahanui | That's Ms. Cait to you! |
| 20:07 | magnuse | okay... |
| 20:07 | cait | heh |
| 20:07 | magnuse | Ms. Cait? |
| 20:07 | wahanui | Ms. Cait are you around? |
| 20:07 | cait | I am here :) |
| 20:08 | magnuse | do you run /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon with or without sudo? |
| 20:08 | cait | without |
| 20:09 | magnuse | try sudo chown cait:cait /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon ? |
| 20:10 | mbalmer | scripts in init.d should not belong to regular users |
| 20:10 | cait | hm does not change the file permissions? |
| 20:10 | magnuse | ah, ok, i might be way off then... |
| 20:11 | yeah, forget it, i checked one of my servers and those scripts are all owned by root - sorry, my bad | |
| 20:12 | oleonard | I can run zebra just fine with sudo -u koha zebrasrv -f /home/oleonard/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml, so zebra *can* work |
| 20:13 | jcamins | oleonard: and you changed the user listed in koha-zebra-ctl.sh? |
| 20:15 | oleonard | USER=koha |
| 20:15 | jcamins | And that's the user you're running Koha as? |
| 20:16 | * jcamins | thought that dev installs used the current user. |
| 20:16 | wizzyrea | yea, who owns your koha-dev/ directory? |
| 20:16 | or whatever you call it | |
| 20:16 | and who do you log in as? | |
| 20:16 | normally | |
| 20:18 | maximep left #koha | |
| 20:18 | cait | oh |
| 20:18 | there are user and group listed in that file? | |
| 20:18 | jcamins | cait: yup. |
| 20:18 | cait | do I have to change those? |
| 20:18 | jcamins | cait: I think so, anyway. |
| 20:18 | cait | never saw that mentioned anywhere |
| 20:18 | jcamins | cait: I think you have to change them to your user. |
| 20:19 | Hmmm... not even after running the installation? | |
| 20:19 | * jcamins | could be mistaken. |
| 20:19 | cait | I have triedthat |
| 20:19 | will see if it works with the next restart :) | |
| 20:22 | magnuse | i thought you had to change that too, but now i see that all my clients have USER=koha in those files... |
| 20:22 | * chris_n | hopes mbalmer didn't get blown away in that storm :/ |
| 20:22 | magnuse | gah - "Tri-weekly" is that three times a week or every three weeks? |
| 20:22 | cait | I think every 3 |
| 20:23 | magnuse | yay! https://twitter.com/#!/nengard[…]47765715934527488 |
| 20:23 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
| 20:23 | magnuse | (not for the hurting but for the worst being over, of course) |
| 20:23 | thanks cait | |
| 20:23 | wizzyrea | they have good drugs for hurting ;) |
| 20:24 | magnuse | yum! ;-) |
| 20:28 | oleonard | Great, now it says zebrasrv is running but it's not returning any records |
| 20:29 | jcamins | oleonard: ownership on the Zebra indexes? |
| 20:35 | oleonard | Grrr... So what's supposed to owned by the koha user (for zebra) and what's supposed to be owned by me? |
| 20:35 | jcamins | oleonard: my rule of thumb for dev installs is that everything should be owned by you. |
| 20:35 | And Zebra should be run as your user. | |
| 20:36 | oleonard | Well that would certainly simplify things... if I hadn't followed the directions and set things up for a separate user |
| 20:36 | jcamins | The directions said to do that for dev installs too? |
| 20:36 | Huh. | |
| 20:37 | oleonard | The INSTALL file doesn't go into detail about dev vs. standard in this regard |
| 20:37 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 20:38 | My understanding was that with dev installs, the way to have a separate user was to log in as someone else and install koha-dev in their home directory. | |
| 20:39 | oleonard | Is there a point to having a separate user with a dev install? |
| 20:41 | jcamins | oleonard: no. |
| 20:41 | oleonard: at least, not in my opinion. | |
| 20:41 | Well, there's a point if you're using the dev install in production, but you probably shouldn't be logged into your production machine all the time anyway. | |
| 20:43 | wizzyrea: having fun obsoleting attachments? | |
| 20:43 | wizzyrea | shh |
| 20:43 | cait | hm? :) |
| 20:44 | wizzyrea | there, now we can test it and it won't spam the bugs list. |
| 20:45 | i've been working out several things. | |
| 20:45 | related to git bz | |
| 20:45 | * wizzyrea | hrmphs. |
| 20:45 | jcamins | Are you going to share your discoveries? |
| 20:46 | wizzyrea | probably not actually, it's nothing that you guys didn't already know. |
| 20:46 | jcamins | :( What if I don't already know? |
| 20:46 | magnuse | is it on the wiki? |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | some of it, the rest I haven't quite figured out yet. |
| 20:50 | * oleonard | has zebra running, will have to wait and see if it starts on restart |
| 20:50 | jcamins | Yay! |
| 20:50 | oleonard: how did you get it working? | |
| 20:52 | oleonard | I ditched the koha user and gave everything back to myself |
| 20:53 | * magnuse | pulls his hair out trying to ssh into a new virtualbox instance of debian |
| 20:54 | jcamins | magnuse: uh-oh. |
| 20:55 | magnuse | jcamins: yeah... i have got it to work before, but now i can't do it... |
| 20:55 | jcamins | magnuse: I have three suggestions about the problem: 1) you only have a NAT card set up in the VM, 2) you installed Debian without choosing to install SSH manually, 3) uhhh... |
| 20:55 | I had three suggestions. | |
| 20:55 | There are two. | |
| 20:55 | I'll get back to you with another if I think of it. | |
| 20:56 | oleonard | EPA? |
| 20:56 | jcamins | EPA? |
| 20:57 | * oleonard | apologizes... Rick Perry Republican primary debate joke |
| 20:57 | magnuse | hm, could be 2, lemme check... |
| 20:58 | nope, was the network settings, but thanks anyway! | |
| 21:00 | rhcl | firewall |
| 21:00 | magnuse | i was trying to follow this: http://muffinresearch.co.uk/ar[…]x-3-linux-guests/ |
| 21:01 | but the settings for the network were not working out | |
| 21:01 | making it " | |
| 21:01 | Adapter 1:Intel PRO/1000 MT Desktop (Bridged adapter, eth0)" did the trick though | |
| 21:02 | cait | yay |
| 21:03 | magnuse | ;-) |
| 21:05 | * jcamins | always puts in two adapters: NAT and Host-only. |
| 21:06 | jcamins | I've had problems with Bridged adapters. |
| 21:06 | trea | weird. i've never had a problem with bridged adapters |
| 21:07 | at least in virtualbox anyways | |
| 21:07 | magnuse | i think for me NAT and host only used to work, but not now... |
| 21:07 | strange | |
| 21:08 | jcamins | magnuse: oh, I know what the problem was. |
| 21:08 | It's the one I always have. | |
| 21:08 | That was my suggestion one. Debian only configures one adapter by default. | |
| 21:08 | magnuse | oh |
| 21:09 | * jcamins | didn't figure that out for a very long time. |
| 21:11 | keeps on misreading this name as "Arthur Hugh Smith Baffy." | |
| 21:16 | magnuse | so even if i set up a second interface in the virtualbox ui, debian won't notice it? |
| 21:17 | jcamins | magnuse: not automatically. |
| 21:17 | You have to tell Debian to start paying attention to it. | |
| 21:17 | magnuse | cool that would certainly explain it! |
| 21:18 | and how would you tell debian that? | |
| 21:18 | jcamins | http://www.linuxquestions.org/[…]econd-nic-374370/ |
| 21:18 | :) | |
| 21:18 | magnuse | ah, thanks a ton! |
| 21:20 | * magnuse | added that link to his little wiki of "things to remember" |
| 21:34 | * chris_n | waves by to the #koha peps |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | later :) |
| 21:36 | magnuse | see ya! |
| 21:48 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5503] comments shouldn't show patron's full name <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5503> |
| 21:55 | oleonard | Ah, there i is |
| 21:55 | Bam. | |
| 21:56 | jcamins | Good night, #koha. |
| 21:59 | cait | hhe |
| 21:59 | heh | |
| 22:06 | nengard joined #koha | |
| 22:10 | nengard | peek a boo |
| 22:10 | wizzyrea | yay nengard! |
| 22:10 | did they give you good drugs? | |
| 22:10 | nengard | hehe |
| 22:10 | yuh huh | |
| 22:10 | wizzyrea | yesss |
| 22:10 | nengard | took some a short while ago |
| 22:10 | so i'm sitting up | |
| 22:10 | wizzyrea | *gentle hugs* |
| 22:10 | nengard | and saying hi to my friends |
| 22:10 | thanks all for the well wishes | |
| 22:11 | wizzyrea | not too many around at the moment - but everybody was glad to see your tweet |
| 22:11 | nengard | it took me like 10 min to write that |
| 22:11 | kept falling asleep :) | |
| 22:13 | oleonard | Hi nengard, glad you're doing okay |
| 22:13 | nengard | yuppers |
| 22:13 | this - for the record - is way worse than a hip replacement | |
| 22:13 | shocking - but true | |
| 22:14 | wizzyrea | well - they inflate you and muck everything about in there |
| 22:14 | it's disruptive! | |
| 22:14 | you don't realize how nice and settled your organs are until someone goes in there and rearranges them for you. | |
| 22:15 | my spleen was happy where it was, thank you. | |
| 22:15 | * nengard | giggles carefully |
| 22:16 | nengard | no LOLing here for a bit :) |
| 22:16 | cait | hi nengard - glad too, hope you feel better soon |
| 22:16 | wizzyrea | norway++ for sustainable fish farming |
| 22:16 | just because. | |
| 22:53 | cait left #koha | |
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