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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:15 | rhcl | pretty quiet here rangi. How long before the Europeans start waking up? |
| 00:17 | rangi | 5 hours ish |
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| 00:56 | eythian | http://youtu.be/S6LqcAlygNw |
| 01:05 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7361] 'Default' encoding in staged marc import breaks diacritics <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7361> |
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| 01:44 | BobB | http://search.myacpl.org/ |
| 01:46 | jcamins_away | BobB: what should I be looking at? |
| 01:46 | BobB | LOL jcamins_away |
| 01:46 | I put that in the wrong channel, sorry. | |
| 01:47 | Doh! | |
| 01:47 | jcamins_away | BobB: you could've been pointing out something new and awesome that oleonard did. |
| 01:47 | He does a lot of new and awesome things. | |
| 01:48 | BobB | exactly, I was showing one of our people a feature we'd like to replicate. Now looking on his blog to find the 'how to'. |
| 01:48 | Its a great resource. | |
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| 01:52 | eythian | it annoys me that 'CanBookBeIssued' looks up the item number, and doesn't return it, requiring it to be looked up again. |
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| 01:58 | * eythian | changes that |
| 01:58 | eythian | opac/sco/sco-main.pl: ( $impossible, $needconfirm ) = CanBookBeIssued( $borrower, $barcode ); |
| 01:58 | opac/sco/sco-main.pl: my ($renewokay, $renewerror) = CanBookBeIssued($borrower, $it->{'barcode'},'',''); | |
| 01:58 | holy dubious semantics batman! | |
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| 02:05 | jcamins_away | eythian: whoah! |
| 02:05 | eythian: didn't there used to be two versions of that routine? | |
| 02:06 | eythian | I'm not sure. I just saw that when grepping to see how it was used. |
| 02:07 | jcamins_away | rangi: argh! You had to wait until *after* I spent hours figuring out how to deal with whitespace errors to post that exceedingly informative blog post? |
| 02:07 | :) | |
| 02:07 | rangi++ | |
| 02:08 | rangi | heh |
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| 02:41 | eythian | http://youtu.be/Y4Q4tirAOmU |
| 02:41 | rangi | heya jcamins_away |
| 02:41 | wahanui | jcamins_away is, like, currently working on fixing a bug. or building packages, which have a number of changes from Master that could never make it into Koha proper (for good reason) |
| 02:41 | rangi | hmm jransom even |
| 02:42 | jcamins_away | wahanui: forget jcamins_away |
| 02:42 | wahanui | jcamins_away: I forgot jcamins_away |
| 02:42 | jcamins_away | jcamins_away is probably not here, but you don't have to take my word for it! |
| 02:42 | jcamins_away? | |
| 02:42 | wahanui | jcamins_away is probably not here, but you don't have to take jcamins_away's word for it! |
| 02:42 | rangi | :) |
| 02:42 | jcamins_away | Hm. |
| 02:42 | rangi | try |
| 02:42 | jcamins_away | wahanui: forget jcamins_away |
| 02:42 | wahanui | jcamins_away: I forgot jcamins_away |
| 02:42 | jcamins_away | jcamins_away is probably not here, but you don't have to take \my word for it! |
| 02:42 | wahanui: jcamins_away? | |
| 02:42 | wahanui | jcamins_away is probably not here, but you don't have to take my word for it! |
| 02:42 | rangi | there ya go :) |
| 02:43 | jcamins_away | :) |
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| 03:12 | sekjal | can anyone in channel speak to the default values for new items created in Acquisitions? |
| 03:13 | when placing an order for a new material, shouldn't the home and holding branch values default to the currently logged in branch? | |
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| 03:15 | eythian | sekjal: there's an argument that things like that should be blank by default to force people to conciously choose something. |
| 03:16 | sekjal | that introduces extra steps into the process, though, which can be a negative for some |
| 03:17 | eythian | yeah, our one-branch libraries especially. |
| 03:17 | sekjal | some of it can be handled with default values in the ACQ framework |
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| 03:37 | eythian | public service announcement: things that are not primary keys should not be used as primary keys. |
| 03:37 | * eythian | goes back to removing the assumptions that all items will have barcodes. |
| 03:37 | rangi | it used to be the primary key |
| 03:38 | before someone decided lets have nulls | |
| 03:38 | eythian | ah, that'll do it. |
| 03:38 | oh well, before long, it'll be like that never happened :) | |
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| 03:40 | eythian | I wonder what sort of speed ups we'd get if we started passing things like item objects around, I reckon one issue must pull an item or a biblio from the database several times. |
| 03:42 | rangi | yup, with persistance a lot |
| 03:42 | with cgi not so much | |
| 03:42 | but yeah thats the idea with the Koha:: namespace | |
| 03:43 | sekjal | okay, time for sleep |
| 03:44 | have a good <<localtime>>, #koha | |
| 03:44 | rangi | sleep well |
| 03:46 | Judit | if you want to set up your koha to send sms messages- is there a web interface where you can add the username(phone number) password? i can see you can use the driver in a syspref |
| 03:48 | rangi | the who? |
| 03:48 | wahanui | the is probably a stop word |
| 03:48 | rangi | not sure what you mean by password |
| 03:48 | eythian | wahanui: the \who is a band |
| 03:48 | wahanui | ...but who is <reply>... |
| 03:48 | eythian | rangi: to use SMS, you need a username/pw of your provider |
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| 03:48 | rangi | ah, i think no in that case |
| 03:49 | kmkale | Namaskaar #koha |
| 03:49 | Judit | thanks |
| 03:49 | kmkale | Namaste rangi & Judit :) |
| 03:49 | Judit | Hi kmkale |
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| 03:53 | AmitG | heya bag |
| 03:54 | bag | yo AmitG |
| 03:54 | kmkale | Namaste bag & AmitG :-D |
| 03:55 | bag | hiya kmkale |
| 03:55 | AmitG | heya kmkale |
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| 04:07 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
| 04:07 | Sylence | kia ora Oak |
| 04:10 | kmkale | May I interest someone here to signoff on bug 6843? It is a very simple but useful enhancement |
| 04:10 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6843 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Renew membership from expiry date or from current date |
| 04:22 | bag | livecd? |
| 04:22 | live cd? | |
| 04:23 | anybody here know how to program wahanui ? | |
| 04:23 | like wahanui live cd is here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_LiveCD | |
| 04:23 | live cd? | |
| 04:23 | livecd is here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_LiveCD | |
| 04:23 | livecd | |
| 04:23 | livecd? | |
| 04:23 | wahanui | livecd is here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_LiveCD |
| 04:23 | bag | oh cool |
| 04:23 | thanks wahanui | |
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| 04:30 | * kmkale | is learning git bz |
| 04:30 | kmkale | in git bz apply xxxx the xxxx stands for bug number or the attachement number in bugzilla? |
| 04:33 | aahh seems its tyhe bug number ;) | |
| 04:33 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7249] Report webservices <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7249> |
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| 04:37 | Oak | Guten Morgen Katrin :) |
| 04:37 | cait | hi Oak :) |
| 04:38 | Oak | @wunder Konstanz |
| 04:38 | huginn` | Oak: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 2.9°C (5:34 AM CET on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011.1 hPa (Steady). |
| 04:38 | Oak | @wunder islamabad |
| 04:38 | huginn` | Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 7.0°C (9:00 AM PKT on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
| 04:38 | Oak | hm |
| 04:39 | kmkale | cait good morning :) |
| 04:40 | cait | hi kmkale :) |
| 04:40 | rangi | @wunder welllington nz |
| 04:40 | huginn` | rangi: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 04:41 | cait | @wunder Wellington |
| 04:41 | huginn` | cait: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 04:41 | Judit | :) |
| 04:41 | cait | tss. |
| 04:41 | rangi | @wunder wellington nz |
| 04:41 | cait | hi Judit :) |
| 04:41 | huginn` | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (5:00 PM NZDT on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Falling). |
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| 04:46 | schuster | @WUNDER 75035 |
| 04:46 | huginn` | schuster: The current temperature in Preston Lakes, Frisco, Texas is 17.8°C (10:46 PM CST on December 14, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Rising). |
| 04:47 | cait | hi schuster |
| 04:47 | rangi | you are up early/late schuster ? |
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| 04:48 | schuster | hey - trying to get some grading done and a "development" version setup on an old Laptop... Back to trying to make a difference! |
| 04:48 | rangi | yay! |
| 04:48 | schuster | I'm usually up this late, but am now working on refocusing on Koha again. |
| 04:48 | AmitG | heya cait |
| 04:48 | rangi | awesome thats good news for us |
| 04:48 | cait | hi AmitG |
| 04:48 | schuster | I need to figure out this new template stuff and do some more research. I have some things I need to submit that I've been playing with. |
| 04:49 | AmitG | heya rangi |
| 04:49 | rangi | heya AmitG |
| 04:49 | cait | schuster: :) have you seen you can install all dependencies with the packages? very easy to set up a dev version now |
| 04:53 | schuster | Yes I have done some of that, but I did the koha-common and now realize that I probably need to download stable and follow those manual instructions. Things have changed! Mostly for the better, but that piece is still confusing on the wiki if you want to do git development stuff. |
| 04:54 | rangi | no you dont dowload stable |
| 04:54 | if u want to do dev | |
| 04:54 | clone the repo | |
| 04:55 | and set it up to run from there | |
| 04:55 | * rangi | will bbiab |
| 04:55 | bag | heya schuster |
| 04:55 | wahanui | schuster is from Plano, TX |
| 04:57 | Oak | howdy schuster :) |
| 05:05 | schuster | rangi always tells me the right thing to do, but I can' never find the instructions! |
| 05:06 | I believe what I need is the Option A Download Koha via Git. This is where I always mess up! | |
| 05:07 | I think I will attempt again tomorrow it is too late to mess with this tonight thanks again rangi I had hoped to figure this out on my own but... :) | |
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| 05:15 | sdaugherty | Are there any specific installation instructions for installing koha into shared hosting? |
| 05:16 | cait | sdaugherty: shared hosting? |
| 05:17 | sdaugherty | ie, using a web hosting provider, as opposed to a system I fully manage and have root on... |
| 05:18 | cait | ah |
| 05:18 | koha needs a lot of perl packages and cron jobs and things | |
| 05:18 | not sure it can be done on shared hosting, or at least it's probably not easy | |
| 05:19 | sdaugherty | My provider (dreamhost) has a halfway written document on it, which suggests it's possible, but unfortunately, it's far from complete. |
| 05:20 | cait | I am not aware of any other documentation for shared hosting |
| 05:20 | sdaugherty | http://wiki.dreamhost.com/Koha |
| 05:20 | eythian | it might be possible, but it wouldn't be easy |
| 05:21 | cait | hm 2007 |
| 05:21 | I don't think you need the changes to mysql | |
| 05:22 | koha works fine with current mysql versons | |
| 05:22 | hey eythian :) | |
| 05:22 | eythian | well, you need to change the mysql config slightly |
| 05:23 | * sdaugherty | nods, especially since dreamhost doesn't put mysql on the same machine as apache. |
| 05:23 | Oak | Hello Mr. Robin |
| 05:23 | eythian | hello |
| 05:23 | well, in that case, it's their problem :) | |
| 05:23 | basically, you need to make it use a separate tablespace or you get tables that never shrink when they're emptied out. | |
| 05:26 | sdaugherty | installing local::lib so that I can do non-root CPAN installs. |
| 05:27 | eythian | also, they'll need a newer version of Koha to work with than 5.8, Koha requires 5.10 now. |
| 05:37 | sdaugherty | This is perl, v5.10.0 built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi |
| 05:37 | The wiki apparently lies. | |
| 05:38 | cait | or only old? |
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| 05:45 | rangi | *sigh* |
| 05:46 | sdaugherty | ok. working through the module dependancies now. |
| 05:46 | cait | wb rangi |
| 05:51 | rangi | thanks cait |
| 05:51 | only sorta here until the kids are asleep | |
| 05:55 | * sdaugherty | looks at all the dependancies... wow |
| 05:56 | rangi | thats why i install it using the debian package :) |
| 05:57 | sdaugherty | lol |
| 05:57 | rangi | pulls in all the dependencies, a ton easier |
| 05:58 | sdaugherty | I wish a VPS was in my budget. |
| 05:58 | cait | sdaugherty is trying to install on shared hosting |
| 05:58 | sdaugherty | Sadly, it's not. |
| 05:58 | Actually, this is donated hosting. | |
| 05:59 | rangi | and do you need all the features koha has? |
| 05:59 | it might be easier to use one of the smaller free software ils? | |
| 06:00 | sdaugherty | The other ones I found seemed to have ruby dependancies that were much more complex, but no, I probably don't need all the functionality. |
| 06:00 | eythian | there is a script that should get you all the dependencies |
| 06:01 | oh | |
| 06:01 | no, it gets you the packages | |
| 06:01 | which is no good for you | |
| 06:02 | rangi | http://obiblio.sourceforge.net/ maybe |
| 06:02 | * rangi | cant vouch for it |
| 06:03 | rangi | but its a ton smaller |
| 06:03 | if you get stuck, the last person to try shared hosting failed at the zebra stage | |
| 06:03 | but if you cna get past that, then you should be ok | |
| 06:04 | if not, try openbiblio :) | |
| 06:04 | sdaugherty | zebra? |
| 06:04 | wahanui | i think zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. |
| 06:04 | rangi | yeah, its what koha uses to index the marc records |
| 06:07 | sdaugherty | we;lll see |
| 06:08 | let me guess, something like: | |
| 06:08 | ERROR: Unable to call script: yaz-config | |
| 06:08 | rangi | partially, but you have to actually try to install zebra first |
| 06:09 | but yeah, if you dont have yaz and zebra, you wont be able to get a working koha up | |
| 06:10 | indexdata.dk | |
| 06:10 | is where they live | |
| 06:12 | * sdaugherty | tries the obvious, and downloads them and runs configure with --prefix=$HOME |
| 06:14 | sdaugherty | well, positive sign, configure script recognizes --prefix |
| 06:17 | yaz built, zebra building | |
| 06:21 | kmkale | bbl |
| 06:23 | sdaugherty | Successfully installed Net-Z3950-ZOOM-1.28 |
| 06:24 | eythian | new koha server built, now just to wait for the DNS to tick over and it's hopefully all good. |
| 06:27 | sdaugherty | Ok. only one module I'm stuck on now. http://paste.koha-community.org/155 |
| 06:27 | eythian | that looks to me like an error in the module |
| 06:27 | I don't think its path should have 'inc' at the start | |
| 06:28 | you can possibly skip that if you're not going to need PDF generation. | |
| 06:28 | or install it by hand | |
| 06:29 | cait | pdf generation is only needed for acquisitions orders and label printing - not sure which uses that module |
| 06:30 | sdaugherty | my labels are preprinted, so that hopefully won't be an issue for a while. |
| 06:31 | cait | meh |
| 06:31 | accidently_overwriting_my_test_database-- | |
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| 06:32 | sdaugherty | ok, I've gotten as far as successful make install on koha |
| 06:32 | cait | cool :) |
| 06:33 | sdaugherty | I hate to think how much disk space I just used with all those dependancies |
| 06:33 | eythian | most of them are pretty small |
| 06:33 | sdaugherty | [rijl-al-awwa]$ du -sh . |
| 06:33 | 1.9G . | |
| 06:34 | eythian | I just did an install and everything was about 600MB or so. |
| 06:34 | including mysql | |
| 06:34 | if you clean up your source stuff when you're done, you'll get a lot back | |
| 06:35 | sdaugherty | hmm. /dev/sdb1 3.6T 161G 3.4T 5% /home |
| 06:35 | I don't think I'm going to be terribly concerned at this stage, they advertise no storage limit | |
| 06:35 | eythian | ah, then you're fine :) |
| 06:35 | sdaugherty | I'll clean it later once all it working |
| 06:36 | I'll have to figure out the htaccess stuff in a few, but I need to smoke first :) | |
| 06:41 | ok... next round of entertainment! :) | |
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| 07:24 | sdaugherty | ahh... yeah, have to convert all the scriptalias directives to rewrite |
| 07:29 | eythian | really need that patch to speed up the borrower import. Damn it's slow. |
| 07:30 | cait | sign off? :) |
| 07:30 | sdaugherty | Undefined subroutine &main::setlanguagecookie called at install.pl line 25. |
| 07:30 | eythian | cait: is it need of that? |
| 07:31 | sdaugherty | Getting farther. :) |
| 07:31 | rangi | i think its been signed off |
| 07:31 | eythian | sdaugherty: do you need to do a git update? |
| 07:31 | rangi | i signed it off |
| 07:31 | cait | sdaugherty: which version are you installing? |
| 07:32 | eythian | ah crap, it timed out. |
| 07:32 | sdaugherty | koha-3.04.07 |
| 07:32 | eythian | rangi: what did you do to make that import work? |
| 07:33 | rangi | the patch |
| 07:33 | wahanui | the patch is in koha-patches |
| 07:34 | eythian | ah |
| 07:34 | sdaugherty | ok... situation requires more nicotine... brb |
| 07:34 | cait | sdaugherty: ah, you should perhaps install 3.6.1 |
| 07:34 | * eythian | cheats and dumps the borrowers from the other database |
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| 07:34 | rangi | eythian: good plan :) |
| 07:35 | eythian | and done, that was much faster |
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| 07:38 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:39 | rangi | hi reiveune |
| 07:40 | reiveune | hi rangi, cait, everybody |
| 07:40 | cait | hi reiveune :) |
| 07:41 | sdaugherty | Maybe tomorrow. Going to shutter what I have right now in case I've left something exposed that shouldn't be. |
| 07:42 | it's 2:42am for me. | |
| 07:42 | sleep! | |
| 07:43 | cait | good night sdaugherty |
| 07:46 | eythian | http://i.imgur.com/3Ovfi.png <-- magnus_away! |
| 07:50 | kmkale | back |
| 07:51 | Namaste magnuse :) | |
| 07:51 | magnuse | eythian: yeah, i know, it's... mindboggling |
| 07:51 | namaskar kmkale | |
| 07:51 | eythian | I'm sure we have spare butter. |
| 07:51 | cait | what? |
| 07:51 | I am sure we have too | |
| 07:51 | magnuse | :-) |
| 07:52 | kmkale | magnuse: really? |
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| 07:52 | magnuse | i don't know what we are doing wrong... |
| 07:52 | Guillaume1 joined #koha | |
| 07:52 | magnuse | at least it proves you can have lots of money in the bank and still run out of butter |
| 07:52 | kmkale | :-D |
| 07:53 | magnuse | they blame it on the low carb people |
| 07:53 | stuffing themselves with butter | |
| 07:53 | eythian | haha |
| 07:53 | magnuse | but i don't think it's that simple |
| 07:54 | eythian: i have a package-related question... | |
| 07:54 | * kmkale | cold do a sign-off or two today if its simple enough |
| 07:54 | eythian | I might have an answer. |
| 07:54 | No promises though. | |
| 07:54 | magnuse | when i look at http://esme.priv.bibkat.no:808[…]uing/addbiblio.pl |
| 07:55 | the firebug consoles shows some 404s: | |
| 07:55 | "NetworkError: 404 Not Found - http://esme.priv.bibkat.no:808[…]s/bubbling-min.js" | |
| 07:55 | "NetworkError: 404 Not Found - http://esme.priv.bibkat.no:808[…]ns/loading-min.js" | |
| 07:55 | eythian | hmm |
| 07:55 | magnuse | and then: YAHOO.widget.Loading is undefined |
| 07:55 | eythian | I've seen that I think. |
| 07:55 | magnuse | jcamins saw the same thing |
| 07:55 | eythian | something about something something symlinks something,. |
| 07:55 | magnuse | yeah... |
| 07:56 | not sure if it's the same for the official packages | |
| 07:56 | eythian | I'm hoping it'll be fixed by yui going away :) |
| 07:56 | sophie_m | hello #koha |
| 07:56 | magnuse | hehe |
| 07:56 | bonjour sophie_m | |
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| 07:56 | sophie_m | hi magnuse |
| 07:56 | cait | hi sophie_m |
| 07:56 | eythian | but, have a look to make sure the yui stuff is copied/linked into place |
| 07:56 | cait | and bbiab |
| 07:56 | magnuse | it doesn't seem to do any harm, so we might just leave it alone |
| 07:56 | sophie_m | Guten Morgen cait |
| 07:56 | julian_m | hi |
| 07:56 | wahanui | niihau, julian_m |
| 07:57 | magnuse | when i look in http://esme.priv.bibkat.no:808[…]og/nb-NO/lib/yui/ there is lots of stuff there, but no folder called "plugins" |
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| 07:58 | eythian | what about in the en equivalent |
| 07:58 | magnuse | same thing, no plugins folder |
| 07:59 | eythian | perhaps those errors show up there too then |
| 07:59 | I'd have to compare it to a non-package install. | |
| 07:59 | magnuse | i wonder what those two files are supposed to do |
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| 07:59 | eythian | probably effects, based on the name. |
| 08:00 | but now I can go, I have a rebuild-zebra running, and that's the last thing for today, and it can run on its own. | |
| 08:00 | magnuse | same 404s when i choose en as language |
| 08:00 | yay | |
| 08:00 | eythian | cya |
| 08:01 | magnuse | have fun eythian |
| 08:01 | on a non-package install the files are present, no errors in firebug console | |
| 08:02 | eythian | OK, interesting |
| 08:02 | wahanui | interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good |
| 08:02 | eythian | I guess the packages are rewriting that somehow. |
| 08:02 | * eythian | leaves it to look at another time |
| 08:02 | magnuse | yup |
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| 08:02 | marcelr | hello koha |
| 08:02 | magnuse | hiya marcelr |
| 08:02 | marcelr | hi magnuse |
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| 08:08 | Oak | magnuse |
| 08:08 | magnuse | Oak |
| 08:09 | Oak | hello marcelr, asaurat :) |
| 08:09 | marcelr | hi Oak |
| 08:09 | asaurat | hi! |
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| 08:15 | * magnuse | hands mbalmer the velcro |
| 08:16 | mbalmer | sorry, I had troubles with my IRC client (Colloquy on Mac) |
| 08:16 | magnuse | no problem, just joking ;-) |
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| 08:22 | gaetan_B | hello! |
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| 08:24 | kf | wb #koha |
| 08:24 | hm | |
| 08:24 | it's me coming back... | |
| 08:24 | hi again #koha :) | |
| 08:26 | sdaugherty | still not asleep, fwiw, I saved my history so I can use it to write up documentation for anyone else in same situation |
| 08:26 | magnuse | wb kf |
| 08:27 | AmitG | hi magnuse |
| 08:27 | kf | hi magnuse :) and AmitG |
| 08:27 | magnuse | namaste AmitG |
| 08:27 | AmitG | heya kf :D |
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| 08:33 | Oak | thank you kf. we are happy to be back with you again. |
| 08:33 | hehe | |
| 08:34 | kf | :P |
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| 08:45 | kf | jcamins++ |
| 08:45 | magnuse | what did he do now? |
| 08:47 | kf | :) |
| 08:47 | well, he is always awesome, right? | |
| 08:47 | magnuse | yeah, he is |
| 08:48 | so... | |
| 08:48 | jcamins++ | |
| 08:48 | mbalmer | hmm, so .po files are autogenereated, nice, back to the table with my patches then |
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| 08:54 | mbalmer | what is Pootle? |
| 08:54 | wahanui | rumour has it Pootle is down for me - can someone else check |
| 08:54 | kf | translate.koha-community.org |
| 08:54 | the software used there | |
| 08:55 | mbalmer | so when I change text in a template, Pootle will create new po files from them? |
| 08:55 | how will that be matched to existing .po files? | |
| 08:56 | kf | I am not sure how the magic works |
| 08:56 | but yes, if you update the english templates | |
| 08:56 | the po files will be updated | |
| 08:56 | * kf | is translating the changes for 3.6.2 right now |
| 08:56 | kf | some things get marked fuzzy, new strings have to be translated |
| 08:57 | mbalmer | ok, so will recreate my typo diffs without the po files later today |
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| 08:59 | AmitG_ | chris_n around? |
| 08:59 | magnuse | probably way too early for him... |
| 08:59 | kf | mbalmer: if you want to update the po files to check your changes: perl translate update de-DE in ...misc/translator |
| 09:00 | mbalmer | oh, nice hint, thanks! |
| 09:00 | magnuse | some pointers can be found here: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/Translating_Koha |
| 09:00 | but that page could have been a lot more useful | |
| 09:01 | mbalmer | magnuse, fwiw, I am not translating, I am correcting the english spellos and typos |
| 09:01 | * kf | nick kf_mtg |
| 09:01 | kf | grr |
| 09:01 | kf_mtg | meeting time |
| 09:01 | magnuse | yeah, but that page has some pointer related how the .po files etc work |
| 09:04 | francharb | by the way |
| 09:04 | hi | |
| 09:04 | magnuse | hiya francharb |
| 09:13 | Oak | time for class |
| 09:13 | later | |
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| 09:21 | AmitG | heya frnacharb |
| 09:23 | heya gaetan_B | |
| 09:24 | gaetan_B | hi AmitG |
| 09:24 | kya hal hai? | |
| 09:27 | AmitG | gaetan_B in hindi |
| 09:56 | hdl | hi |
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| 10:03 | * kmkale | is surprised at how easy it was to use git bz to apply, test and sign off a couple of patches :-D |
| 10:03 | magnuse | yay |
| 10:03 | kmkale++ | |
| 10:04 | kmkale | it should be git_bz++ |
| 10:05 | and all folks who contributed to http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_bz_configuration | |
| 10:05 | magnuse | community++ |
| 10:07 | kmkale | rangi++ #for http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]patches-with-git/ |
| 10:08 | * kmkale | is wondering if magnuse's patch testing machine is up and running again ;) |
| 10:13 | kmkale | @quote random |
| 10:13 | huginn` | kmkale: Quote #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the whole templating system jcamins: Koha's other swiss army chainsaw" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, October 11, 2010) |
| 10:13 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn`. |
| 10:14 | kmkale | @quote random |
| 10:14 | huginn` | kmkale: Quote #120: "<sekjal> I think time is less like a continuum, and more like a series of git commits" (added by gmcharlt at 05:57 PM, January 27, 2011) |
| 10:14 | kmkale | @quote random |
| 10:14 | huginn` | kmkale: Quote #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the whole templating system jcamins: Koha's other swiss army chainsaw" (added by wizzyrea at 07:41 PM, October 11, 2010) |
| 10:14 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn`. |
| 10:14 | kmkale | @quote random |
| 10:14 | huginn` | kmkale: Quote #159: "slef: WELCOME TO HOOGERLAND. POPULATION: HEROES" (added by wizzyrea at 05:00 PM, September 23, 2011) |
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| 10:21 | ronald | hello Koha |
| 10:27 | marcelr | kmkale: thx for signing off 6302 |
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| 10:45 | kmkale | marcelr you are welcome. |
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| 11:13 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5347] late order management <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5347> |
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| 11:26 | Suzzane | Hi everyone..... |
| 11:27 | a quick on | |
| 11:27 | anybody home..... | |
| 11:27 | AmitG | heya Suzzane |
| 11:27 | Suzzane | Hi AmitG |
| 11:28 | KINDLY GUIDE ME ON THIS ONE | |
| 11:28 | sorry, caps | |
| 11:28 | our programmer happened to download the Koha 3.2.5 | |
| 11:28 | but we need the 3.6 | |
| 11:28 | version | |
| 11:29 | he is asking if the 3.6 version is stable | |
| 11:29 | kf_mtg | yes |
| 11:29 | 3.6.1 is the current stable version | |
| 11:29 | and soon we will have 3.6.2 | |
| 11:29 | which will have a lot of small improvments too | |
| 11:29 | ok, time for lunch :) | |
| 11:30 | Suzzane | nice |
| 11:30 | kindly tell me where do we go to download the 3.6.1 | |
| 11:32 | mbalmer | take a look around http://www.koha-community.org/ |
| 11:32 | Suzzane | ok |
| 11:32 | thanks let me do that | |
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| 12:33 | jcamins_away | indradg++ # nice response on the list |
| 12:35 | kmkale | hi jcamins_away :) |
| 12:35 | jcamins_away | kmkale: good morning. There's a new version of the bug 1633 patches to sign off on. |
| 12:35 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db |
| 12:36 | jcamins_away | I couldn't figure out how to keep your sign offs. :( |
| 12:38 | Hey, isn't it kind of late where you are? | |
| 12:39 | Have a good day, #koha. I'll be back this afternoon. | |
| 12:39 | kmkale | yikes!! |
| 12:39 | many changes | |
| 12:41 | jcamins_away | kmkale: the code is almost identical, I just moved it to a different file. |
| 12:41 | And I think oleonard wrote another patch. | |
| 12:41 | oleonard++ | |
| 12:41 | Bye! | |
| 12:42 | Suzzane | kmkale, hi... Susan from Kenya here |
| 12:42 | kmkale | hi Suzzane :) |
| 12:42 | Suzzane | our programmer is asking if its possible to upgrade from version 3.2.5 to version 3.6.1 |
| 12:43 | kmkale | yes it is |
| 12:43 | Suzzane | how do you go about doing that? |
| 12:44 | kmkale | the INSTALL file with the download has a upgrade section in it. |
| 12:44 | Suzzane | Kale, this is the programmer |
| 12:44 | i work with Suan | |
| 12:44 | magnuse | Suzzane: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]de542;hb=HEAD#l62 |
| 12:44 | kmkale | it has clear instructions to upgrade |
| 12:44 | Suzzane | susan |
| 12:45 | magnuse | make sure you have a good backup of the database before you proceed |
| 12:46 | pastebot | "kmkale" at 59.181.126.113 pasted "Upgrade from 3.2.x to 3.4 and upwards" (36 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/156 |
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| 12:46 | kmkale | Suzzane: http://paste.koha-community.org/156 |
| 12:48 | magnuse | hiya bigbrovar |
| 12:48 | Suzzane | our koha is running on ubuntu 10.10, and it was installed via a kohalivecd |
| 12:48 | how am I going to upgrade to the new and stable version | |
| 12:48 | kmkale | Suzzane: http://paste.koha-community.org/156 |
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| 12:49 | Suzzane | and currently, there is no data stored into the system |
| 12:49 | kmkale | Suzzane: hah if there is no data its simple. Do a fresh install |
| 12:51 | Suzzane | how stable is the version 3.2.5 |
| 12:51 | magnuse | if there is no point in keeping what is in the database i would empty that and then follow the description here http://paste.koha-community.org/156 but skip the last part that starts with "Koha 3.4.x or later no longer stores items..." |
| 12:51 | Suzzane | as compared to version 3.6.1 |
| 12:51 | magnuse | then you get to do a clean web installation again |
| 12:52 | kmkale | Suzzane: better go with 3.6 as there are major differences after 3.4 version |
| 12:52 | so it will be easier for you to keep updated | |
| 12:53 | magnuse | well, 3.2.5 has been in production for a long time in lots of libraries - and libraries are just starting to move to 3.6.x - but i'd still say go for 3.6.1 - it has tons of bugfixes and new features |
| 12:53 | and yes, starting to use 3.2.x and then do the upgrade later on will be scarier | |
| 12:54 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5327' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]48586f721da6701a8> / Bug 5327: Added unit test for C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/RenewAll.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0d7e3299e14271bd3> / Added missing reference case to Boolean.t and corrected count <http://git.koha-community.org |
| 12:57 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 572 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 12:58 | kmkale | gotta run |
| 12:58 | BBL | |
| 13:04 | mbalmer | I have a git problem wrt my typo patches: I reverted part of my changes, to not change .po files. But now I get even more patches with 'git format-patch origin'. |
| 13:04 | how should I handle this? | |
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| 13:11 | marcelr | mbalmer: if you cut a whole diff section from the patch file, reapply and git-format, it should work |
| 13:12 | but it is quick and dirty-practive | |
| 13:13 | mbalmer | I reverted part of a diff, then committet that and reformatted, but now I get two patches: one that changes to much and a second one that reverts part of the first |
| 13:14 | marcelr | you can also git format-patch -1 to get only one commit |
| 13:14 | magnuse | sounds like you have two commits then. you might want to squash them into one |
| 13:15 | marcelr | probably you are better off with git reset to head and selective reapply |
| 13:15 | mbalmer | yes, exactly |
| 13:15 | magnuse | i'm no expert there, but e.g. http://gitready.com/advanced/2[…]-with-rebase.html looks useful |
| 13:16 | mbalmer | new checkout an re-apply sounds like stupid duplication of work. there must be a better way. |
| 13:16 | * chris_n | loves 'git rebase -i HEAD~X' where X is the number of commits I want to mess with |
| 13:16 | marcelr | reapply with your file (not manually) |
| 13:17 | chris_n | mbalmer: did you actually do a 'git revert'? |
| 13:17 | mbalmer | no. |
| 13:17 | I uses patch -R. | |
| 13:18 | but I guess squashing these commits into one should work | |
| 13:18 | chris_n | hmm |
| 13:18 | interactive rebase may be the cleanest way to get back where you want to be | |
| 13:19 | mbalmer | yes, looks so. just reading up the article magnuse posted |
| 13:20 | chris_n | there are some additional options since that article (2009) as well I think |
| 13:20 | you'll see them in the editor when you run the rebase | |
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| 13:21 | mbalmer | ah fuck, not it squashed about 30 committs into one. |
| 13:22 | kf | ouch |
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| 13:22 | kf | if you are trying something new a new branch is often good |
| 13:22 | git checkout -b ... | |
| 13:23 | mbalmer | yeah, I am on a new branch. |
| 13:23 | kf | not sure how to revert a squash |
| 13:23 | I meant branch out from the branch with your changes you are trying to fix | |
| 13:24 | mbalmer | did I already mention that git sucks, perl sucks, the world sucks …. ;) |
| 13:24 | kf | well... |
| 13:24 | you could metnion it | |
| 13:24 | but it will probably not make you friends here | |
| 13:24 | mbalmer | git rebase --abort sucks less ;) |
| 13:24 | * kf | likes perl and loves git :) |
| 13:25 | * mbalmer | thinks perl is a SM game |
| 13:25 | * magnuse | loves perl and git but has his doubts about the world in general... ;-) |
| 13:25 | kf | magnuse: you doubt the world? ohoh! |
| 13:25 | well... as long as you don't doubt koha? | |
| 13:25 | magnuse | no, never! |
| 13:25 | mbalmer | ok, for the record: before doing a 'git rebase -i …' to a git rebase master |
| 13:26 | else you get all the committs from others as well. | |
| 13:26 | then rebase | |
| 13:27 | magnuse | i think chris_n suggested 'git rebase -i HEAD~X' where X is the number of commits you want to work with... |
| 13:28 | kf | yep |
| 13:28 | or the commitid of the last patch you don't want | |
| 13:28 | * chris_n | thinks one should keep one's git well fed and happy lest it turn viciously on one at an unexpected moment ;-) |
| 13:28 | bigbrovar | magnuse, hi :) |
| 13:29 | magnuse | chris_n: sounds like sound advice ;-) |
| 13:29 | mbalmer | hoho, that works |
| 13:29 | * mbalmer | is a happy man again |
| 13:29 | * chris_n | concurs with kf's suggested 'git checkout -b foo' prior to messing with things |
| 13:29 | magnuse | yay! |
| 13:30 | chris_n | hurray! |
| 13:30 | kf | :) |
| 13:30 | mbalmer | chris_n, you always have to see these things as kind of a computer game, sometimes you win, sometime the machine does ;) |
| 13:31 | at least no harm done here, unlike when you hack kernel code ... | |
| 13:34 | but git is amazingly powerful. | |
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| 13:35 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5533] marking item lost diff in two places <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5533> |
| 13:41 | kf | hah! |
| 13:41 | ok, missed something... | |
| 13:42 | ohoh | |
| 13:42 | that's not good | |
| 13:42 | %s %s [%% DEFAULT loopro.itemcallnumber="No Call Number" loopro.barcode="No Barcode" loopro.title="NO TITLE" loopro.author="" %%] %s | |
| 13:43 | or only a syntax the translation parser is worried about | |
| 13:44 | mbalmer | so my typo patches for the the bug 7356 ar updated, pls check wether the developpers like them. |
| 13:44 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7356 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, marc, NEW , FIx various typos and mis-spellings |
| 13:44 | kf | at the risk of making you scream at me... |
| 13:44 | but the bug number in your subject lines next time ;) | |
| 13:45 | mbalmer | you mean in the committ message? |
| 13:45 | kf | yes |
| 13:45 | the first line of your commit message | |
| 13:45 | mbalmer | well, I did the patches before I opened a bug (lame excuse...) |
| 13:45 | kf | is also the subject of the mail if you send them |
| 13:45 | you can do that | |
| 13:45 | and git commit --amend them once you have the bug number ;) | |
| 13:46 | mbalmer | ja ja ja ;) |
| 13:46 | next time I will. | |
| 13:49 | kf | ok, now: Hah! |
| 13:49 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #572: UNSTABLE in 51 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/572/ |
| 13:49 | * m.de.rooy: 7185 Fixing typo in release notes | |
| 13:49 | * duncan: Added unit tests for Sip Checksum.pm | |
| 13:49 | * duncan: Added unit test for AuthoritiesMarc/UNIMARC.pm | |
| 13:49 | * duncan: Added unit tests for Scrubber | |
| 13:49 | * chrish: Bug 5327: Patch removes unneeded self=shift from TTParser::unshift_token | |
| 13:49 | * chrish: Added missing reference case to Boolean.t and corrected count | |
| 13:49 | * paul.poulain: welcome to Duncan Tyler, developer 166 ! | |
| 13:49 | * chrish: Added missing reference case to Boolean.t and corrected count | |
| 13:49 | kf | German translation for 3.6.2 updated and complete |
| 13:49 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules |
| 13:49 | jenkins_koha | * duncan: Bug 5327: Added unit test for C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/RenewAll.pm |
| 13:50 | kf | jenkins... you interrupted... |
| 13:59 | magnuse | kf++ |
| 13:59 | unstable, eh? | |
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| 14:02 | paul_p | yikes... |
| 14:02 | schuster | Never good when you step into a chat with the first comment being yikes... :) |
| 14:03 | asaurat | :D |
| 14:03 | paul_p | schuster, it's because jenkins is back to unstable |
| 14:03 | good morning schuster | |
| 14:03 | magnuse | lol |
| 14:04 | chris_n | ouch |
| 14:04 | kf++ | |
| 14:04 | unstable-- | |
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| 14:05 | magnuse | hiya sekjal |
| 14:05 | sekjal | hi, magnuse |
| 14:06 | gtg; doing a training for some librarians in NH | |
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| 14:06 | magnuse | hehe, that was quick |
| 14:07 | * chris_n | waves at the dust of sekjal |
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| 14:22 | mbalmer | hmm, my 'pgsql' branches produces no diff yet, bad. |
| 14:26 | nengard | does ReservesMaxPickUpDelay use the calendar in Koha - or is it based on just regular calendar days? |
| 14:26 | I think I know the answer but want to confirm | |
| 14:26 | magnuse when we're training we like to pop in and show people around, but don't want to be distracted by all the #koha fun :) | |
| 14:26 | so we log out quick | |
| 14:27 | magnuse | ah ;-) |
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| 14:30 | nengard | paul_p chris_n magnuse anyone know the answer to this "does ReservesMaxPickUpDelay use the calendar in Koha - or is it based on just regular calendar days?" |
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| 14:30 | magnuse | nengard: sorry |
| 14:31 | paul_p | nengard, not sure, but almost sure it's based on regular calendar days (no holidays taken in account) |
| 14:32 | nengard | that's what i thought |
| 14:35 | kf | paul_p: I might know why |
| 14:35 | mbalmer | puuh, patch handling is difficult... |
| 14:36 | kf | paul_p: for the sip thing - the patch must be moved into the other directory because it needs sample data, but I failed that patch because it does not work - probably reverting the last patch and wait for the complete fix could work |
| 14:36 | paul_p: I mean reverting the first part because the second is not ready yet | |
| 14:39 | maximep | @wunder yqc |
| 14:39 | huginn` | maximep: The current temperature in Kangirsuk, Quebec is -15.0°C (9:00 AM EST on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -19.0°C. Windchill: -25.0°C. Pressure: 29.61 in 1003 hPa (Rising). |
| 14:39 | mbalmer | @wunder gipf-oberfrick |
| 14:39 | huginn` | mbalmer: The current temperature in Erlinsbach, Switzerland is 6.0°C (2:59 PM CET on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Rising). |
| 14:39 | maximep | lol Kangirsuk |
| 14:40 | is ykg -_- | |
| 14:40 | mbalmer | erlinsbach, pffft….. |
| 14:40 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 14:40 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 6.0°C (3:20 PM CET on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 28.88 in 978 hPa (Steady). |
| 14:40 | maximep | tons of snow here. fuuuun =) |
| 14:41 | magnuse | a light sprinkling of snow here - niiiice ;-) |
| 14:41 | * chris_n | want snow! |
| 14:41 | chris_n | wants even |
| 14:42 | bigbrovar | Hi guys, If I was going to install koha on a vps, what should be the recommended specification in terms of hard disk, ram and processing power. |
| 14:42 | maximep | oh man, don't know if koha could run on a 512 megs vps |
| 14:43 | magnuse | bigbrovar: depends on number of records and level of use |
| 14:43 | bigbrovar | looking at 2000 records |
| 14:43 | chris_n | bigbrovar: search the list as well, this has been discussed there many times |
| 14:43 | bigbrovar | chris_n, sure, am doing that now :) |
| 14:44 | maximep | we just upgraded our servers to really fast SSDs. I have never seen koha go as fast :D |
| 14:44 | chris_n | $$$$ |
| 14:44 | magnuse | 2k records = nothing ;-) you don't need a lot of power for that, unless there will be massice amounts of searching going on |
| 14:46 | maximep | I would not even try running koha with less than 1.5 gigs of ram, but maybe there's ways to config apache to take less |
| 14:46 | mbalmer | 768MB here, but only three books in my two libraries ;) |
| 14:47 | maximep | Ô_ô |
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| 14:50 | libsysguy | o/ |
| 14:50 | magnuse | i have ~17 very-very low traffic installtions (my "gratis koha" project) running off the packages on a 512MB "slice" on slicehost, without any apparent problems |
| 14:50 | maximep | 17 ?! wow |
| 14:50 | libsysguy | \o/ /\o/\ o[ /o\ |
| 14:51 | hehe ascii YMCA | |
| 14:51 | magnuse | lol |
| 14:51 | maximep | and hi to you :p |
| 15:00 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7356] FIx various typos and mis-spellings <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7356> |
| 15:02 | kf | lol |
| 15:02 | it's not friday yet! back to work everyone | |
| 15:04 | magnuse | rangi and eythian and several others would not agree with that, i think ;-) |
| 15:04 | (at least the first part) | |
| 15:06 | maximep | it feels like friday here with all the snow and christmas coming up |
| 15:07 | mbalmer | kf, don't germans stop to work ar four? *duck* |
| 15:07 | s/ar/at/ | |
| 15:07 | kf | I wish... |
| 15:08 | magnuse | no, that's norwegians - half past three if we can get away with it |
| 15:09 | (starting at 8) | |
| 15:10 | mbalmer | I start at 10 and stop at 15. |
| 15:10 | magnuse | yay |
| 15:10 | mbalmer | I only need 4 hours for what others need 8 ;P |
| 15:10 | magnuse | lucky you! |
| 15:10 | maximep | 9 to 18 here :/ |
| 15:10 | mbalmer | 15 - 10 = 5?? 4?? -> there has to be time for lunch, too |
| 15:11 | magnuse | every waking hour here ;-) |
| 15:11 | mbalmer | for waking hours we have http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/m[…]e++NetBSD-current |
| 15:13 | magnuse | heh |
| 15:14 | mbalmer | ssh rootgw.vnode.ch wake sis2 biblio |
| 15:14 | kf | hm |
| 15:14 | wrong window? ;) | |
| 15:14 | libsysguy | that is what I was thinking |
| 15:15 | but shame for ssh-ing as root mbalmer | |
| 15:15 | mbalmer | sshing as root is perfectly fine. |
| 15:15 | paul_p | kf: reverting failing tests now. seems code is not broken, it's tests that are broken ;-) |
| 15:15 | mbalmer | (says an ex-openbsd/openssh developer) |
| 15:15 | kf | paul_p: hm not quite true |
| 15:15 | paul_p: the tests fail because they are db_dependant | |
| 15:16 | noted in my test that it needs the sample database to work, but was not aware how jenkins works | |
| 15:16 | libsysguy | yeah but isn't it a better practice to ssh as a user and just use sudo |
| 15:16 | mbalmer | no. why? |
| 15:16 | paul_p | kf, i'll also revert Bug 5327: Patch removes unneeded self=shift from TTParser::unshift_token, because the tests is failing |
| 15:16 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules |
| 15:17 | paul_p | should be enough to have jenkins happy ;-) (with reverting the SIP_ILS stuff) |
| 15:17 | libsysguy | mbalmer just always heard it was best practice |
| 15:18 | mbalmer | btw, is SIP2 included in master or do I have instal a third party package? |
| 15:18 | libsysguy, maybe a matter of taste, dunno. I and my *BSD colleagues have no problems using root directly. allows you to automate thinks | |
| 15:18 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5327' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9bf73e58dd231fc11> / Revert "Bug 5327: Added unit test for C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/RenewAll.pm" <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2201466d28fa1a784> / Revert "Bug 5327: Patch removes unneeded self=shift from TTParser::unshift_token" < |
| 15:19 | kf | hm |
| 15:19 | I am not sure reverting the second is the best way | |
| 15:19 | the tt test | |
| 15:19 | it didn't fail when I was testing | |
| 15:20 | mbalmer: it's included | |
| 15:20 | mbalmer | libsysguy, much more crucial to security is NOT to use password, challenge response or Pam, but only keys... |
| 15:20 | kf, thanks! | |
| 15:27 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 573 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #571 21 h ago) |
| 15:30 | rhcl | *watching ssh discussion |
| 15:36 | chris_n | paul_p: I think maybe wizzyrea is working up a test db which will make all db_dependent tests happy |
| 15:37 | kf | chris_n: she attached one to a bug that works nicely |
| 15:38 | chris_n: I used it for testing the SIP tests and had no fails | |
| 15:38 | chris_n | kf: link please :-) |
| 15:38 | kf | I think basically it's using the sample data we have when you tick all checkboxes during installation |
| 15:38 | trying to remember the bug. | |
| 15:38 | chris_n | hmm |
| 15:38 | kf | stil had it in my folder this morning :) |
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| 15:38 | chris_n | I'm using the sample data and have many fails on tests jenkins passes |
| 15:39 | * chris_n | hand the coffee to oleonard |
| 15:39 | kf | ah |
| 15:39 | bug 7333 | |
| 15:39 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7333 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Cleaning up tests to use sample data |
| 15:39 | * oleonard | takes it gratefully |
| 15:39 | is back from a morning meeting | |
| 15:39 | oleonard | Better than average one though, it included cake. |
| 15:42 | kf | yay :) |
| 15:46 | * chris_n | slurps up new data |
| 15:47 | chris_n | :-( |
| 15:47 | Test Summary Report | |
| 15:47 | ------------------- | |
| 15:47 | t/db_dependent/Search.t (Wstat: 256 Tests: 4 Failed: 1) | |
| 15:47 | Failed test: 4 | |
| 15:47 | Non-zero exit status: 1 | |
| 15:47 | Files=28, Tests=350, 21 wallclock secs ( 0.23 usr 0.25 sys + 14.93 cusr 1.96 csys = 17.37 CPU) | |
| 15:47 | Result: FAIL | |
| 15:47 | maximep | oh, maybe I should now take time to make my jenkins tests pass now that they pass for the commuity =) |
| 15:47 | chris_n | better than before |
| 15:47 | but not quite there yet | |
| 15:48 | wizzyrea | I've been fighting that one too |
| 15:48 | was it something you had to have in your test db? | |
| 15:48 | chris_n | ? |
| 15:48 | wizzyrea | the search.t test |
| 15:48 | why was it failing | |
| 15:48 | was/is | |
| 15:48 | chris_n | I just loaded the data set you attached to 7333 |
| 15:49 | before I was seeing multiple failures | |
| 15:49 | so this is a great improvement :-) | |
| 15:49 | wizzyrea | right, that one doesn't have whatever search.t wants in |
| 15:49 | it | |
| 15:49 | * chris_n | gets out his magnifying glass |
| 15:49 | wizzyrea | i'm going to make a new one when I figure it out |
| 15:49 | I think it has to do with stopwords | |
| 15:50 | chris_n | hmm |
| 15:50 | french | |
| 15:50 | I wonder if it is looking for french stop words then? | |
| 15:50 | wizzyrea | that's what I was thinking |
| 15:50 | * chris_n | looks paul_p's direction |
| 15:51 | wizzyrea | but - i couldn't find a place to add them |
| 15:51 | so... | |
| 15:51 | chris_n | and regrets that he opted out of french in high school |
| 15:51 | * wizzyrea | considered just nuking the tests |
| 15:51 | maximep | stopwords are just a mess |
| 15:51 | chris_n | probably a good idea |
| 15:51 | tests should probably be language agnostic | |
| 15:51 | stopwords? | |
| 15:51 | wahanui | stopwords is, like, one of those mad schemes that has persisted needlessly |
| 15:51 | wizzyrea | keke |
| 15:52 | nengard | :) |
| 15:52 | wizzyrea | chris_n: I'm glad you found that db useful :D |
| 15:53 | asaurat | which parts of Koha still use Stopwords ? looks to me that zebra doesn't use them, and the GUI used to modify them is hidden except when koha is configured in Nozebra afaik ?! |
| 15:54 | wizzyrea | you're probably right - and good point about the gui |
| 15:54 | maximep | hmmm i could ask my coworker that had to answer this question a few weeks ago |
| 15:54 | * wizzyrea | checks that |
| 15:54 | kf | I think this was all by intention |
| 15:54 | the hiding and such | |
| 15:55 | libsysguy | oh oh |
| 15:55 | asaurat | yep, I guess so |
| 15:55 | libsysguy | i just did stopwords in class |
| 15:55 | asaurat | but is it still useful as is ? |
| 15:55 | libsysguy | we could just run an IDF algorithm on the collection |
| 15:56 | it would essentially rank stop words so low that they wouldn't matter | |
| 15:56 | :D | |
| 15:56 | maximep | looks like the stopwords don't work at all in 3.6 for us |
| 15:57 | so i have no idea how that test works :S | |
| 15:58 | chris_n | wizzyrea: we should probably submit a patch to remove that test for the time being |
| 15:58 | kf | xmas market time :) |
| 15:58 | bye all | |
| 15:58 | chris_n | kf++ |
| 15:58 | have fun | |
| 15:58 | kf | thx! |
| 15:58 | libsysguy | so no to the IDF algorithm :'( |
| 15:58 | kf | maximep: always remember stopwords are an unfeature! :) |
| 15:58 | wizzyrea | I agree - I will go ahead and do that |
| 15:58 | magnuse | wizzyrea++ |
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| 15:59 | maximep | yeah but it seems the client likes to have unfeatures |
| 15:59 | chris_n | hehe |
| 15:59 | and the client writes the paycheck ;-) | |
| 15:59 | maximep | because his old system was full of them |
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| 16:20 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 16:20 | Project Koha_master build #573: FIXED in 52 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/573/ | |
| 16:20 | * paul.poulain: Revert "Bug 5327: Patch removes unneeded self=shift from TTParser::unshift_token" | |
| 16:20 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules |
| 16:20 | jenkins_koha | * paul.poulain: Revert "Bug 5327: Patch removes unneeded self=shift from TTParser::unshift_token" |
| 16:20 | * paul.poulain: Revert "Bug 5327: Added unit test for C4/SIP/ILS/Transaction/RenewAll.pm" | |
| 16:21 | chris_n | !botsnack pecan turtles |
| 16:22 | !hudson botsnack pecan turtles | |
| 16:22 | wizzyrea | !jenkins botsnack pecan turtles |
| 16:22 | jenkins_koha | wizzyrea: thanks a lot! om nom nom. I just love pecan turtles! |
| 16:22 | chris_n | oops |
| 16:25 | magnuse | \o/ |
| 16:32 | asaurat | tschüss! |
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| 16:33 | wizzyrea | epic subject is epic! |
| 16:35 | rhcl | so has anybody considered buying up the koha-community.xxx domain name? |
| 16:35 | oleonard | Hawt |
| 16:35 | * wizzyrea | wonders what kind of things we'd keep there |
| 16:36 | mbalmer | the shady books... |
| 16:36 | rhcl | I see lots of schools are buying up their .xxx equivalent. |
| 16:36 | graphic novels? | |
| 16:36 | wizzyrea | anime? |
| 16:36 | oleonard | smutty romances? |
| 16:37 | wizzyrea | (it's actually not a bad idea... better to have it ourselves than have someone get... confused) |
| 16:37 | O.O | |
| 16:37 | rhcl | yea, the whole point I think |
| 16:37 | oleonard | But honestly, is anyone going to really get confused? |
| 16:37 | wizzyrea | "I was only looking for library management systems!" |
| 16:37 | paul_p | oleonard, it took me 20mn to decide what to do with 7330 ... |
| 16:37 | mbalmer | it's money making only. |
| 16:37 | magnuse | nah, how would they get confused? |
| 16:37 | mbalmer | think of the many TLDs that are there. do you want reserve each and every one? |
| 16:37 | rhcl | just wanted to lay the idea out there |
| 16:38 | mbalmer: no, but .xxx is special | |
| 16:38 | wizzyrea | mbalmer - we have already had issues with unfriendly corporations buying up our domain names |
| 16:38 | mbalmer | why is .xxx special? |
| 16:38 | wizzyrea | so it *is* worth thinking about. |
| 16:38 | mbalmer | it's about sex, instead of com(erce) or org(anisation), but so what? |
| 16:38 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7333] Cleaning up tests to use sample data <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7333> |
| 16:39 | mbalmer | nobody will associate Koha with pr0n anways. |
| 16:39 | oleonard | paul_p: I certainly understand your hesitation |
| 16:39 | magnuse | i think the only relevant thing here is search, and i don't think a k-c.xxx would make it very high in a search for "koha" |
| 16:39 | paul_p | jesseW-- for this so poorly documented code... |
| 16:39 | oleonard | paul_p: I was hoping my patch would prompt someone to look at it again and discover the cause where I could not |
| 16:39 | paul_p | s/poorly/un-/ |
| 16:40 | oleonard | magnuse: It might depend on the quality of the content on k-c.xxx ;) |
| 16:40 | rhcl | OK, so there's walmart.com and then there are series of images produced by some, like "The Girls of Walmart". <Understand I'm just "sayin" you know> |
| 16:41 | paul_p | oleonard, I tested it a lot, could not find any problem. So I decided we should have ppl with some time to dedicate to testing do it on something more usefull than this tiny patch |
| 16:41 | rhcl | I see walmart.xxx being the porn site of The Girls of Walmart or something... |
| 16:41 | wizzyrea | sounds like the argument for why HLT would have never thought to register Koha as a trademark |
| 16:41 | paul_p | walmart.xxx = This domain has been reserved from registration. |
| 16:41 | rhcl | so koha.xxx could logically be twisted to "The Girls of Koha" , just theoretically, at some point in the future |
| 16:41 | wizzyrea | and lest we forget the lessons of the past. |
| 16:41 | paul_p | so, no walmart girls ;-) |
| 16:42 | wizzyrea | right because walmart bought it! |
| 16:42 | paul_p | yes, of course. |
| 16:42 | rhcl | yes, of course walmart would have purchased it right away |
| 16:42 | paul_p | and what is unfair I think, is the price you have to pay to buy & block it |
| 16:42 | wizzyrea | ^^ agreed |
| 16:42 | * oleonard | doesn't understand the idea of new TLDs when existing owners buy them up anyway |
| 16:42 | paul_p | (iirc, a number with 3 zeros) |
| 16:42 | (s/3zeros/3digits/) | |
| 16:43 | (that's already too much !!!) | |
| 16:43 | trea | anyone have a sec to chat about opac suppression? |
| 16:43 | wizzyrea | sure go |
| 16:43 | speaking of that I was going to test it | |
| 16:44 | maximep had an idea of why it was not working properly and I was going to see if he was right :D | |
| 16:44 | trea | okay, if OpacSuppression = hide, and they have a 942$n set as 1, why would it suppress some bibs, but not others? |
| 16:44 | is this just a case where a reindex is most likely needed? | |
| 16:46 | wizzyrea | hm |
| 16:47 | trea | i mean, i can set the flag on a record that didn't have it before, wait for the cron to run, and the record is suppressed. However, for older records that were suppressed months ago, they aren't being suppressed. |
| 16:48 | to clarify, the 942$n was set months ago, and they are not being suppressed. | |
| 16:48 | wizzyrea | that does seem to point to "reindex" |
| 16:51 | reiveune | bye |
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| 17:07 | magnuse | have fun, #koha! |
| 17:26 | gaetan_B | bye |
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| 17:33 | * chris_n | watches FF go into a death-spiral... yet again |
| 17:34 | rhcl_away | do you have the latest version, 37.9? |
| 17:35 | oleonard | Death-spiral? I didn't know you were on a Mac [http://marbleofdoom.com/] |
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| 17:36 | oleonard | paul_p: Still around? |
| 17:42 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 574 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) |
| 17:42 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: welcome to Marc Balmer, #167 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]138ebc592177c4e75> / Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7346' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0dcd52c82fadac376> / Bail out early if an invalid language is used. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]=d9f7922ad7740693 |
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| 17:46 | mbalmer | to repeat and older question: is someone actively working on PostgreSQL support? Or interested in doing so? |
| 17:47 | oleonard | I don't think anyone is actively working on it |
| 17:47 | mbalmer | ok. |
| 17:47 | just trying to avoid duplicate work. | |
| 17:47 | oleonard | It's always a long-term goal to make Koha code less MySQL-specific |
| 17:50 | paul_p | OK, time to leave. I've checked & pushed all bugs that had "signed-off" and were simple to QA. still 44 bugs to QA, but they're harder, will do that later or let others from QA team do it ! |
| 17:50 | mbalmer | thanks! |
| 17:50 | paul_p | have a good day/night/evening/afternoon/whatever & see you (my) tomorrow morning ! |
| 17:51 | maximep | wow, it's hard to say "bye" in a way that works for all timezones :p |
| 17:54 | chris_n | mbalmer: you may want to review some of the discussions to move toward DBIx |
| 17:54 | rangi has done some work on this already | |
| 17:54 | I believe he has a branch somewhere with this work on it | |
| 17:55 | * chris_n | did some pgsql work long ago, but finally just adapted to the status quo |
| 17:58 | chris_n | mbalmer: here you are => http://git.koha-community.org/[…]/new/enh/bug_5837 |
| 17:58 | bug 5837 | |
| 17:59 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5837 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Change installer to use DBIx::Class::Schema::Versioned instead of updatedatabase.pl |
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| 18:35 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #574: SUCCESS in 53 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/574/ |
| 18:35 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7313: Untranslatable strings in 'Search to hold' feature | |
| 18:35 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7321: Silence some warns in Koha.pm | |
| 18:35 | * oleonard: Bug 7323 - Javascript error when editing list | |
| 18:35 | * oleonard: Bug 7325 - Editing a list generates errors in the log | |
| 18:35 | * ian.walls: Bug 7326: longoverdue.pl hardcoded to 366 days maximum | |
| 18:35 | * oleonard: Bug 7330 - System preferences editor generates errors in the log with each search | |
| 18:35 | * duncan: Bug 7331 - Circulation.pl generates errors in the log | |
| 18:35 | * wizzyrea: Bug 7333 - modifying Members.t to use a branchcode that exists in the sample data | |
| 18:35 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7313 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Untranslatable strings in 'search to hold' feature |
| 18:35 | jenkins_koha | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7334: Improve 'no address stored' and similar messages in patron account |
| 18:35 | * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 7334: Improve 'no address stored' and similar messages in patron account | |
| 18:35 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7321 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Silence warns in Koha.pm |
| 18:35 | jenkins_koha | * marc: Bail out early if an invalid language is used. |
| 18:35 | * paul.poulain: welcome to Marc Balmer, #167 | |
| 18:35 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7323 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Javascript error when editing list |
| 18:35 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7325 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Editing a list generates errors in the log | |
| 18:35 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7326 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, ian.walls, ASSIGNED , longoverdue.pl was hardcoded to 1 year, is now a parameter | |
| 18:35 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7330 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , System preferences editor generates errors in the log with each search | |
| 18:36 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7331 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, duncan, ASSIGNED , Circulation.pl generates errors in the log | |
| 18:36 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7333 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Cleaning up tests to use sample data | |
| 18:36 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7334 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Improve 'No address stored' and similar messages in patron account | |
| 18:37 | rangi | sup peeps |
| 18:38 | oleonard | Hi rangi |
| 18:39 | rangi | ahh xslt of course |
| 18:39 | ill get duncan to retest | |
| 18:39 | rhcl | hi rangi |
| 18:39 | rangi | hi rhcl |
| 18:41 | @wunder wellington nz | |
| 18:41 | huginn` | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:50 | rangi | this rain is getting boring |
| 18:51 | ibeardslee | yeap yeap yeap |
| 18:51 | yeap yeap yeap | |
| 18:52 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 18:52 | huginn` | oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 15.0°C (1:50 PM EST on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.70 in 1005.6 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:52 | oleonard | Seems like you and I have the same weather today rangi |
| 18:52 | rangi | hmmm that seems warm |
| 18:52 | for december in Ohio? | |
| 18:52 | oleonard | It's unusually warm today |
| 18:53 | ...but hard to take advantage of because of the rain :| | |
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| 18:54 | rangi | hi cait |
| 18:54 | cait | hi rangi |
| 18:55 | rangi | nelson here is getting pounded |
| 18:55 | we are just getting the edge | |
| 18:55 | state of emergency down there | |
| 18:55 | cait | earthquake? |
| 18:55 | wahanui | i heard earthquake was on the news |
| 18:55 | rangi | flooding |
| 18:55 | cait | oh! |
| 18:55 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 18:56 | huginn` | chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 21.0°C (1:35 PM EST on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:56 | rangi | does it ever get cold there chris_n ? |
| 18:56 | * chris_n | wonders about that sometimes |
| 18:57 | oleonard | mbalmer: Where are you from? |
| 18:57 | * oleonard | is from Ohio, http://www.myacpl.org |
| 18:57 | chris_n | oleonard? |
| 18:57 | wahanui | oleonard is the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler |
| 18:58 | cait | very true |
| 18:58 | wahanui | I know. That's why I said it. |
| 18:58 | cait | lol |
| 19:00 | rangi | my stop |
| 19:00 | bbiab | |
| 19:11 | back | |
| 19:11 | cait | wb |
| 19:11 | ibeardslee | and soaked? |
| 19:12 | rangi | not too bad |
| 19:17 | oh man | |
| 19:17 | i missed an opportunity | |
| 19:19 | cait | hm? |
| 19:19 | rangi | http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]rc-is-for-mental/ |
| 19:19 | i shoulda linked to that in my email | |
| 19:19 | cait | heh |
| 19:20 | 2004... and nothing changed | |
| 19:20 | wizzyrea | OH *breeding farm* |
| 19:20 | rangi | sadly not |
| 19:20 | wizzyrea | that explains SO MUCH. |
| 19:20 | rangi | heh |
| 19:20 | wizzyrea | i always wondered why it was called that! |
| 19:20 | * wizzyrea | feels enlightened |
| 19:21 | rangi | apparently it made you lol about a year ago too |
| 19:21 | wizzyrea | probably so |
| 19:21 | but... for dirty reasons | |
| 19:21 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6142] CanBookBeReserved function is redefined in C4/ILSDI/Utility.pm <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6142> |
| 19:21 | cait | lol |
| 19:21 | wizzyrea | >.> |
| 19:22 | I suspect that I had not had direct experience with breeding farm references in the code last ear. | |
| 19:22 | year, even. | |
| 19:27 | cait | hi trea :) |
| 19:28 | trea | cait! how are you? |
| 19:28 | cait | frozen |
| 19:29 | but overall ok :) | |
| 19:29 | trea | :D |
| 19:29 | wizzyrea | I like ok :) |
| 19:29 | cait | we were at the xmas market |
| 19:30 | wizzyrea | how was it? |
| 19:31 | cait | nice |
| 19:31 | :) | |
| 19:31 | trea | has anyone seen issues with suppression not being honored after a record import, but will honor it when adding records manually? |
| 19:31 | cait | never used it, sorry |
| 19:32 | is the value in the marc the same for both? | |
| 19:32 | trea | it is, oddly enough |
| 19:38 | cait | indexing? |
| 19:38 | wahanui | indexing is done by Zebra. |
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| 19:42 | trea | that was my first thought as well cait. the more i dig into this the less sure i am |
| 19:46 | cait | does it work when you open, edit another field and save? |
| 19:47 | trea | yes. it does in fact seem to work when that happens |
| 19:48 | rangi | i totally blame indexing then |
| 19:48 | jcamins_away | Indexing. |
| 19:48 | wahanui | indexing is done by Zebra. |
| 19:49 | cait | me too |
| 19:49 | jcamins_away: hey! | |
| 19:49 | rangi | i really quite like the timeline in the about page |
| 19:49 | mtj++ | |
| 19:49 | wizzyrea | but why would it happen only on imported records |
| 19:49 | jcamins | Hello. |
| 19:49 | wizzyrea | and not original cataloged records |
| 19:50 | trea | Manually Added - Suppressed: |
| 19:50 | http://screencast.com/t/od29OTab | |
| 19:50 | Imported - Not Suppressed: | |
| 19:50 | http://screencast.com/t/sen3sg4Y1c | |
| 19:50 | Framework test looks fine: | |
| 19:50 | http://screencast.com/t/v2E4waTvokYC | |
| 19:50 | rangi | maybe they are weird |
| 19:50 | if you try a full reindex | |
| 19:50 | wizzyrea | hehe I think that's a given ;) |
| 19:50 | rangi | does the imported one show up |
| 19:51 | or do you have to edit them first? | |
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| 19:51 | jcamins | trea: has the server been reindexed fully since the suppressed index was added? |
| 19:52 | trea | lol, i guessing you all think i should reindex. :P |
| 19:52 | s/i/i'm | |
| 19:52 | cait | yep |
| 19:52 | trea | fair enough |
| 19:52 | jcamins | You're looking at an old server, and some of those are... problematic. |
| 19:52 | trea | i defer to your judgement |
| 19:52 | #koha++ | |
| 19:59 | jcamins | @wunder konstanz |
| 19:59 | huginn` | jcamins: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.0°C (8:54 PM CET on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:10 | mbalmer | oleonard, switzerland. |
| 20:11 | chris_n, tnx fer url | |
| 20:24 | rangi | francois++ #again |
| 20:24 | http://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/2[…]debianubuntu.html | |
| 20:25 | wizzyrea | good lord does he ever sleep |
| 20:25 | rangi | about now |
| 20:26 | he doesnt get into work till 10 or 11 | |
| 20:26 | but now i can resurrect etherpad.koha-community.org | |
| 20:26 | wizzyrea | woohoo! |
| 20:27 | * jcamins | didn't know there was an etherpad.koha-community.org. |
| 20:28 | rangi | well i couldnt get it stable |
| 20:28 | may not be able to, uses a bunch of ram | |
| 20:28 | but we'll see | |
| 20:28 | jcamins | What would it be used for? |
| 20:28 | rangi | if i cant someone could try on their server and ill point dns there |
| 20:28 | wizzyrea | collaborative RFP'ing |
| 20:28 | :D | |
| 20:28 | like the notices rewrite | |
| 20:28 | rangi | yeah it worked well for that |
| 20:29 | ibeardslee | rangi: have you been talking with francios about etherpad? |
| 20:29 | rangi | yep |
| 20:29 | ibeardslee | sigh scrollback |
| 20:29 | rangi | hehe |
| 20:31 | kathryn joined #koha | |
| 20:32 | cait | hi kathryn |
| 20:32 | wizzyrea | hi kathryn :) |
| 20:32 | sijobl joined #koha | |
| 20:33 | kathryn | heya cait and wizzyrea :) |
| 20:34 | trea | hi kathryn |
| 20:35 | kathryn | hi there trea |
| 20:36 | * jcamins | waves to kathryn |
| 20:36 | jcamins | oleonard: did I ask you your stance on Irish cream, raspberry, and walnuts? |
| 20:38 | * oleonard | takes a strong pro position on these essential political issues, and condemns those who oppose him. |
| 20:39 | trea | let the record show my stalwart support for Irish cream, and it's constituents; ice and highball glasses. |
| 20:39 | rangi | and chocolate |
| 20:39 | wahanui | chocolate is finite, we ate it all :) |
| 20:39 | kathryn | hello jcamins, and all your cheerful selves! |
| 20:39 | jcamins | trea: I don't know, I think highball glasses might not work so well as a fudge flavor. |
| 20:40 | oleonard | wahanui: When bots start eating chocolate, that's when the war with machines begins |
| 20:40 | wahanui | oleonard: what? |
| 20:40 | wizzyrea | ice either. |
| 20:40 | trea | oh, then we're talking about something else then |
| 20:40 | jcamins | Also, the ice wouldn't last. |
| 20:40 | trea | rabble rabble rabble |
| 20:40 | cait | hm must be friday |
| 20:40 | rangi | yes |
| 20:40 | jcamins | cait: or December. |
| 20:40 | cait | or both! |
| 20:40 | rangi | and we stop at 1pm today |
| 20:40 | trea | it's friday somewhere. Where "somewhere = NZ" |
| 20:40 | cait | oh |
| 20:40 | rangi | level 7 at catalyst does anyway |
| 20:41 | wizzyrea | I approve of this. |
| 20:41 | trea | noice |
| 20:41 | cait | :) |
| 20:41 | jcamins | It's always 5 o'clock somewhere, right? |
| 20:41 | cait | why? |
| 20:41 | trea | because they can |
| 20:41 | jcamins | cait: to go home and make fudge? |
| 20:41 | rangi | yes |
| 20:41 | cait | good reason |
| 20:41 | rangi | to go to the pub for lunch |
| 20:41 | ibeardslee | jcamins: actually not really |
| 20:41 | rangi | steak and beer |
| 20:41 | cait | jcamins: and wrap the fudge to send to germany? |
| 20:41 | mbalmer | mmm, steak and beer... |
| 20:41 | rangi | also |
| 20:41 | http://soundcloud.com/bobby-c-[…]-bobby-c-sound-tv | |
| 20:42 | cait | what happaned to beer o clock? |
| 20:42 | rangi | that starts at 4 |
| 20:42 | we'll be finished lunch by then silly | |
| 20:42 | :) | |
| 20:42 | wizzyrea | goes quite well with the SOPA hearings |
| 20:42 | cait | oh... sorry |
| 20:42 | :) | |
| 20:42 | ibeardslee | at 5:15, it's not 5:00 anywhere because timezones don't do 15 minutes |
| 20:42 | * trea | gets out his giant Flava Flava alarm clock necklace and shutter shades. |
| 20:42 | wizzyrea | ^^ would pay to see that IRL |
| 20:42 | jcamins | ibeardslee: true. |
| 20:42 | * wizzyrea | walks to the other room |
| 20:42 | * cait | too |
| 20:43 | mbalmer | ibeardslee, some timezones do 30 minutes offsets |
| 20:43 | * ibeardslee | had a boozy lunch with a supplier on tuesday .. wasn't very enthused about when when I got back into the office at 4pm |
| 20:43 | jcamins | ibeardslee: it's always between happy hour somewhere. |
| 20:43 | rangi | i love lazer hip-hop massive |
| 20:43 | trea | that is killin |
| 20:43 | ibeardslee | mbalmer: yes that's the minimum |
| 20:43 | rangi | also, i love how you can just totally make up genres on soundcloud |
| 20:43 | trea | yes |
| 20:44 | rangi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6SBsbjgyc0 <-- now with dancing robots |
| 20:44 | * ibeardslee | went to listen the NZSO on soundcloud last night, so installed the android app for it .. wanted me to login via facebook |
| 20:44 | rangi | speaking of nzso |
| 20:44 | wizzyrea | I approve of this |
| 20:44 | ibeardslee | facebook is *not* a universal authenticator! |
| 20:44 | rangi | http://wotzon.com/eventlisting[…]?event_id=5019912 |
| 20:44 | jcamins | wizzyrea: do you have a link to the library instruction videos NEKLS did wit xtranormal? |
| 20:45 | rangi | family fun day with nzso at te papa tomorrow |
| 20:45 | wizzyrea | instruction videos... |
| 20:45 | * wizzyrea | thinks |
| 20:45 | trea | jealous! still missing te papa |
| 20:45 | jcamins | ibeardslee: does Facebook do OpenID? |
| 20:46 | wizzyrea | http://www.xtranormal.com/watc[…]651/library-nerds |
| 20:46 | ibeardslee | jcamins: don't think so |
| 20:46 | wizzyrea | i'm trying to think of which instructional videos we did |
| 20:46 | jcamins | wizzyrea: heh. That's pretty cute. |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | http://www.xtranormal.com/watc[…]s-tech-day?page=1 |
| 20:47 | today I referred to mucking about in cataloging as "going to the gamma quadrant' | |
| 20:48 | trea | strangely apropo |
| 20:49 | jcamins | Thanks. I swear I remember one of your librarians doing a "how to find journals" or something like that. |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 20:50 | jcamins | I just found one by another library. I'll use that one. |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea | http://www.xtranormal.com/search/?q=library |
| 20:51 | lots of them :) | |
| 20:51 | jcamins | Yup. :) |
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| 20:56 | rangi | nope |
| 20:56 | Hukk | Anyone home? |
| 20:56 | cait | hi Hukk |
| 20:56 | rangi | not enough ram to run etherpad on my linode |
| 20:56 | cait | what does it need? |
| 20:56 | rangi | more than the 512 i have |
| 20:57 | (and thats already mostly used by piwik and bugzilla) | |
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| 20:58 | Hukk | I am putting lists on my library's catalog. I put one title on the wrong list and can't figure out how to delete it |
| 20:59 | The only option seems to be to leave it there or delete the whole list | |
| 20:59 | rangi | what version of koha? |
| 21:00 | Hukk | Not sure- where could I find that info? |
| 21:00 | rangi | the about page |
| 21:00 | in the staff interface | |
| 21:00 | i get an option to remove selected records | |
| 21:02 | maximep | :S |
| 21:03 | rangi | or you could quit |
| 21:03 | wizzyrea | O.o |
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| 21:03 | rangi | https://www.odesk.com/jobs/~~3[…]1acdb6?source=rss |
| 21:03 | what???? | |
| 21:03 | wizzyrea | O.O |
| 21:03 | PedroT | kicked my self out...regarding my list question - we have version 3.05 (?). |
| 21:04 | wizzyrea | oh hi wb :) |
| 21:04 | rangi | hmm do you have the full number? |
| 21:04 | 3.05.something.somethingelse | |
| 21:04 | * wizzyrea | seems a bit wide eyed today |
| 21:04 | rangi | but if its 3.05.00 |
| 21:04 | then it should have the remove button too | |
| 21:04 | PedroT | let me see if i can go back without kicking myself out...tx |
| 21:05 | rangi | open another tab :) |
| 21:05 | also, if you click on the list, you should get a list of all the items in it | |
| 21:05 | with checkboxes next to them | |
| 21:05 | click the checkbox, and click remove selected records | |
| 21:05 | jcamins | Huh. |
| 21:06 | You'd think they would've e-mailed the list, or something. | |
| 21:06 | * jcamins | ponders. |
| 21:06 | jcamins | Bets that they're using Koha 2.something on Windows? |
| 21:07 | rangi | yeah highly likely |
| 21:07 | oleonard | Lots of Koha users seem to be oblivious of the Koha community |
| 21:07 | mib_042qfi joined #koha | |
| 21:07 | mib_042qfi | back again :) Koha version: 3.05.00.010 |
| 21:08 | jcamins | Hm, that's right after the Template Toolkit switchover. |
| 21:08 | wizzyrea | i sort of recall a bug about that |
| 21:08 | * jcamins | too |
| 21:09 | wizzyrea | but it's long fixed |
| 21:09 | * jcamins | would suggest upgrading to 3.6.1. |
| 21:09 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 21:09 | rangi | and you definitely dont go the remove selected records button showing? |
| 21:09 | (before you try to upgrade) | |
| 21:09 | mib_042qfi | omg.....I saw the boxes for check off- the "delete items" is on the bottom of the list ....duh. Thanks for your help. |
| 21:10 | rangi | but yeah upgrading to an actual released version in the future is no bad thing |
| 21:10 | the rule with koha, is if the second number (5 in this case) is odd | |
| 21:10 | its an unstable version .. even (3.4.x 3.6.x etc) are stable releases | |
| 21:11 | jcamins | rangi: except right now. 3.7.x still says 3.6.x, doesn't it? |
| 21:11 | He's not having much luck with Mibbit, is he? | |
| 21:11 | rangi | jcamins: oh .. we should fix that then |
| 21:12 | cait | yep, that would be good |
| 21:12 | wizzyrea | I think he keeps closing the tab |
| 21:12 | or navigating away | |
| 21:12 | oh, you mean the version number | |
| 21:12 | jcamins | rangi: yeah, cait pointed it out to paul_p, but I couldn't follow the conversation. |
| 21:12 | wizzyrea | >.> |
| 21:12 | cait | that was about the database numbers... and I thought they were going to fix it (irc meeting?) |
| 21:13 | jcamins | cait: oh, maybe they are? |
| 21:13 | * jcamins | just said he couldn't follow the conversation. ;) |
| 21:13 | rangi | hehe |
| 21:13 | it should be in the minutes/log | |
| 21:14 | cait | me neither :) |
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| 21:16 | oleonard | https://twitter.com/#!/SteveKi[…]47371129177255936 |
| 21:16 | jcamins | oleonard: watching the SOPA deliberations? |
| 21:16 | slef | which says? |
| 21:16 | oleonard | No, but following @EFFLive |
| 21:17 | wizzyrea | good luck doing that once you pass this law, guy. |
| 21:17 | oleonard | SOPA is the US's version of the Great Firewall of China slef |
| 21:18 | slef | or the voluntary but not really always uk one |
| 21:18 | oleonard | It would give "rights-holders" (media companies) lots of new tools for pulling "infringing" material (and whole web sites) off the internet |
| 21:18 | jcamins | oleonard: only much worse. |
| 21:18 | oleonard | ...including foreign-owned ones |
| 21:18 | slef | took out wikipedia for days, a year or two ago |
| 21:19 | oh this is big media rather than porn motivated? | |
| 21:19 | oleonard | Yes |
| 21:20 | slef | shame |
| 21:20 | oleonard | https://www.eff.org/issues/coi[…]nd-copyright-bill |
| 21:21 | slef | yeah it's hard to use a browser from this location just now |
| 21:21 | I'll look at it tomoz | |
| 21:23 | good luck against it! | |
| 21:23 | but if they're debating it now, I guess what's done is done | |
| 21:24 | oleonard | There's still time to hope. |
| 21:24 | ...but the fact that it has made it this far is pretty sad. | |
| 21:24 | Indefinite detentions, internet censorship. Yay America. | |
| 21:24 | * wizzyrea | can hear the enthusiasm in your voice. |
| 21:25 | trea | tries to make a joke about trademarks. too soon? |
| 21:25 | * trea | sighs |
| 21:26 | rangi | heh |
| 21:28 | wizzyrea | who was it that was looking for autoprint for chrome/ium |
| 21:28 | ? | |
| 21:28 | besides me | |
| 21:28 | libsysguy maybe? | |
| 21:29 | * oleonard | quits for the day |
| 21:29 | wizzyrea | bye |
| 21:29 | rangi | cya oleonard |
| 21:29 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I don't know, but I saw a recipe that would be great for cooking with a little one the other day. Sadly, I've forgotten what it was. |
| 21:29 | wizzyrea | jcamins: hehe - thank you? |
| 21:29 | <3 | |
| 21:29 | if it involved pounding or rolling or dipping, that's ideal | |
| 21:29 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I'm liable to remember randomly, but not remember *why* I'm remembering it. |
| 21:30 | So I'm telling you in the hopes that when I mention some recipe I wanted to tell #koha about, you'll know why. ;) | |
| 21:30 | wizzyrea | ^.^ got it |
| 21:31 | jcamins | Oh! I remember! |
| 21:31 | It was calzones. | |
| 21:32 | wizzyrea | oh yes, I neglected "stuffing" |
| 21:32 | calzones. sounds like a lovely dinner. | |
| 21:32 | jcamins | The crimping the edges is tricky, but the rest is pretty easy. |
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| 21:33 | jcamins | And they're almost impossible to screw up. |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | and can be stuffed with delicious things. |
| 21:33 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | I admit I had not tried calzones at home yet |
| 21:35 | rhcl | 오징어 and 쥐 고기 ...I miss eating them |
| 21:36 | slef | never actually made them. My pizza bases are always too deep |
| 21:37 | rangi | http://www.menumania.co.nz/res[…]-house-restaurant <-- where eythian and I ate yesterday |
| 21:37 | http://www.menumania.co.nz/res[…]ngton-city/korean all within 10 min radius of catalyst | |
| 21:39 | wizzyrea | nom |
| 21:39 | slef | heh. Bed Bath and Beyonce |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | is there a korean place with karaoke that's kind of back from the street near where you are? |
| 21:41 | cait | karaoke! |
| 21:42 | * wizzyrea | remembers such a place but doesn't remember the name |
| 21:42 | rangi | yes |
| 21:42 | rhcl | I'm going to move to NZ so I can eat Korean food and go fishing in the big pond. |
| 21:42 | rangi | there are 2 karaoke ones near us |
| 21:42 | korean ones | |
| 21:42 | the korean bbq one | |
| 21:42 | and another one | |
| 21:42 | wizzyrea | yes, I think that's the one we went to |
| 21:43 | cait | timezones-- |
| 21:43 | good night all :) | |
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| 21:44 | slef | bye bait |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | gnite cait |
| 21:44 | jcamins | Bye. |
| 21:44 | talljoy | Hi all. Anyone know of any Koha library using RFID? |
| 21:44 | slef | cait! |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | talljoy: nekls |
| 21:44 | cait | yes slef? |
| 21:44 | wahanui | i guess slef is an encyclopedia of FOSS knowledge |
| 21:44 | cait | talljoy: 2 of our libraires use rfid too |
| 21:44 | jcamins | talljoy: some NEKLS libraries, and I think rhcl was talking about someone else. |
| 21:44 | Oh, and I think Los Gatos. | |
| 21:44 | slef | talljoy: yes but I don't have access any more. |
| 21:45 | cait: sorry I meant 'bye cait' | |
| 21:46 | autocorrect-- | |
| 21:46 | cait | ok :) |
| 21:49 | rhcl | No, I don't recall talking about anybody else using rfid |
| 21:50 | jcamins | talljoy: never mind my suggestion that rhcl mentioned an rfid library. |
| 21:51 | slef | hehe |
| 21:52 | rangi | coffee time |
| 21:53 | slef | zz time |
| 21:55 | magnus_afk | g'night |
| 22:02 | talljoy | anyone know where the system logs are pulling from? Does it create the data on the fly from the borrower tables or are they stored in their own tables? |
| 22:02 | jcamins | talljoy: actionlog |
| 22:03 | talljoy | ok |
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| 22:31 | jcamins | Good night, #koha. |
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| 23:16 | rangi | @marc 519 |
| 23:16 | huginn` | rangi: unknown tag 519 |
| 23:17 | rangi | @marc 591 |
| 23:17 | huginn` | rangi: unknown tag 591 |
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| 23:46 | eythian | @wunder wellington, nz |
| 23:46 | huginn` | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (12:00 PM NZDT on December 16, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). |
| 23:54 | jcamins_away | rangi: local note. |
| 23:55 | rangi: some libraries use it for a local "With" note. | |
| 23:55 | @marc 501 | |
| 23:55 | huginn` | jcamins_away: A note that is used when more than one bibliographic work is contained in a physical item at the time of publishing, release, issue, or execution. The works usually have distinctive titles and lack a collective title. (Repeatable) [a,5,6,8] |
| 23:57 | jcamins_away | rangi: so you'll have to look at what's in it to determine what the data stored in it is. |
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