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| 11:19 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.6.1 & 3.4.7 & 3.2.11 are now available ; Next General IRC Meeting 4 January 2012 at 10:00 UTC+0 | http://www.koha-community.org | http://paste.koha-community.org | |
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| 11:24 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.6.1 & 3.4.7 & 3.2.11 are now available ; Next General IRC Meeting 4 January 2012 at 10:00 UTC+0 | http://www.koha-community.org | http://paste.koha-community.org | |
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| 12:25 | jcamins_away | paul_p: around? |
| 12:25 | paul_p | jcamins_away, yep (back from lunch) |
| 12:26 | jcamins_away | paul_p: does bug 7167 still need sign-off? It looks to me like it's just waiting for QA? |
| 12:26 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , updatedatabase improvements |
| 12:27 | paul_p | jcamins_away, yep |
| 12:27 | jcamins_away, and I sent a mail to sekjal & marcel to ask for QA | |
| 12:27 | jcamins_away | Okay, good. |
| 12:28 | * jcamins_away | is looking forward to it being pushed so that bug 1633 can be pushed. |
| 12:28 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db |
| 12:28 | paul_p | (sekjal told me yesterday on IRC that he had a busy week dedicated to customer. I feel the QA won't be made this week :( ) |
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| 12:41 | chris_n | did someone say lunch? |
| 12:45 | paul_p | yes me ;-) |
| 12:45 | hi chris_n, good morning | |
| 12:45 | * jcamins_away | is wrapping fudge. |
| 12:45 | jcamins_away | Again. |
| 12:48 | chris_n | heya paul_p |
| 12:49 | and jacamins_away | |
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| 13:13 | oleonard | Whassup #koha? |
| 13:14 | hdl1 | ... |
| 13:15 | paul_p | hello oleonard |
| 13:15 | oleonard, seen your follow-up for floating button, will push it today) | |
| 13:15 | oleonard | Thanks for catching that issue |
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| 13:28 | kf | jcamins_away: fudge for cutomers? |
| 13:31 | paul_p | oleonard, I was lucky : I saw it just because I wanted to reach acquisition module after changing branch, and ... the page was displaying the problem. If I had wanted to go to patron or circ, I wouldn't have seen it ! |
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| 13:34 | kf | paul_p: more eyes find more things :) |
| 13:35 | paul_p | kf, yep |
| 13:35 | (and, -sorry to repeat- merging soon means more eyes and time for testing) | |
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| 13:39 | kf | paul_p: I think a fast qa/testing cycle is good |
| 13:39 | but not persuaded it leads to more testing once things are in | |
| 13:40 | we are nto good at general koha testing | |
| 13:40 | paul_p | nto ? |
| 13:40 | not | |
| 13:40 | gotcha. | |
| 13:40 | what do you mean by "not good" ? | |
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| 13:44 | kf | we don't test once thigns are in |
| 13:44 | people are interested to get new features, bug fixes, so they test _to_ get them into koha | |
| 13:44 | once things are in, we are not good at testing | |
| 13:44 | and even teh before part needs more eyes and hands | |
| 13:55 | paul_p | (that's one of the reasons why I'd like to have sandboxes, but couldn't find time to setup them until now :( ) |
| 13:55 | do you think that I should add something about that in my monthly newsletter ? something like : "last month, the following scripts have been updated : ...." | |
| 13:56 | with such a list, that could be easier to test if you're not following what has been merged everyday | |
| 13:56 | (kf: ping. read previous lines) | |
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| 13:58 | kf | paul_p: not sure, a lit of bugs perhaps |
| 13:58 | paul_p: I really don't have a lot of ideas of how to encourage people :( | |
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| 13:59 | paul_p | kf, mmm... both would be needed : "script xxx.pl has been updated by patch of bug NNNN" |
| 13:59 | kf | paul_p: I only have the feeling that we need more hands/eyes/people testing in general. But not sure how to make it easier. There are already demo installations running from master, but people don't test there. |
| 14:00 | paul_p | with one or two sandbox (I could set much easier than automated sandbox for each bug), that should be a good plan... will think of it... |
| 14:00 | kf | paul_p: someone was suggesting a new script for huginn, but perhaps could be a mail too |
| 14:00 | mail a random bug that has not been touched in a long time | |
| 14:00 | like a "bug of the day" | |
| 14:00 | perhaps stupid, but could also generate some comments/actions | |
| 14:01 | paul_p | kf, I have sent last week a mail about some (5) bugs that have an old patch ... I had no visible/readable feedback |
| 14:01 | kf | and I think the call for test data got some response, so perhaps a call for testing a specific module for feature from time to time on the mailing list could work too |
| 14:01 | paul_p: I have seen them :( | |
| 14:01 | will try to comment, but some thigns are really hard to figure out / test | |
| 14:02 | paul_p | kf, A few patches waiting for your signature... |
| 14:02 | kf | I have a big backlog in testing things... I do at least 1 hour each day. but that's not nearly enough |
| 14:02 | and work is crazy right now | |
| 14:02 | I want to concentrate more on I18N/acq issues | |
| 14:02 | but time is really a problem :( | |
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| 14:09 | kf | paul_p: can you point me to your mail? |
| 14:15 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 14:15 | huginn` | kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 6.0°C (3:00 PM CET on December 14, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009 hPa (Rising). |
| 14:16 | oleonard | jcamins_away: Really away? |
| 14:22 | pastebot | "oleonard" at 66.213.78.34 pasted "ListImagesForBiblio" (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/151 |
| 14:23 | oleonard | why is the array size returned by that subroutine 1 when there are zero images? |
| 14:24 | kf | oleonard: I assume he is back to wrapping fudge :) |
| 14:29 | magnuse | oleonard: is there anything in the array? |
| 14:30 | oleonard | If I use Data::Dumper to output the returned array it says "$VAR1 = undef;" |
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| 14:32 | oleonard | I'm not saying it's doing something wrong necessarily, I just don't understand why it does what it does |
| 14:32 | paul_p | kf, http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/036622.html |
| 14:32 | (phone rang, sorry for the delay) | |
| 14:33 | oleonard | I would expect to be able to use, in the template "[% IF ( images.size > 0 ) %]" to conditionally output information |
| 14:33 | Instead I must say [% IF ( images.size > 1 ) %] | |
| 14:33 | magnuse | oleonard: could the return statement result in just one array bing returned? return @imagenumbers, $sth->errstr; |
| 14:33 | kf | paul_p: np |
| 14:37 | chris_n | oleonard: what magnuse said |
| 14:37 | oleonard | sorry, I don't understand |
| 14:38 | chris_n | returning the db error string probably always results in return array size of at least one |
| 14:38 | magnuse | my gut feeling was that @imagenumbers $sth->errstr might be seen as just one array by the calling code |
| 14:39 | chris_n | its really not good practice to do it that way |
| 14:39 | ie "The errstr() method should not be used to test for errors, use err() for that, because drivers may return 'success with information' or warning messages via errstr() for methods that have not 'failed'." | |
| 14:39 | magnuse | and the calling code treats the error string as a an imagenumber: |
| 14:39 | + foreach (ListImagesForBiblio($biblionumber)) { | |
| 14:39 | + DelImage($_); | |
| 14:39 | + } | |
| 14:39 | chris_n | the routine should check for db errors internally and only return if there are actual erros |
| 14:39 | errors, even | |
| 14:40 | magnuse: right on the return value being one array | |
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| 14:41 | chris_n | where's that code at? |
| 14:42 | magnuse | chris_n: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]hment.cgi?id=6755 |
| 14:43 | * chris_n | notes that this patch adds a what appears to be unrelated line to Makefile.PL |
| 14:46 | chris_n | yeah, that sub needs to be changed to return a null value if there is a db error |
| 14:46 | libsysguy | so random question...we have global bug squishing day....what about refactoring? |
| 14:46 | chris_n | it already logs it |
| 14:47 | ie. if ($sth->errstr) { log error; return;} | |
| 14:47 | and then let the caller handle it | |
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| 14:53 | magnuse | chris_n: can you add that as a comment on bug 1633? |
| 14:53 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1633 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kmkale, ASSIGNED , Add ability to take book cover images from local img db |
| 14:54 | magnuse | libsysguy: feel free to initiate a GRD ;-) |
| 14:54 | oleonard | GRD doesn't sound as suitable to a day of everyone pitching in here and there. |
| 14:58 | kf | perhaps we should have 'action days' |
| 14:58 | chris_n | really |
| 14:58 | kf | where we set a goal |
| 14:58 | and you can earn a badge or something :P | |
| 14:58 | chris_n | refactoring is a *huge* project which affects many areas of the app |
| 14:58 | kf | some of the templates need refactoring... that's for sure |
| 14:59 | we can do things much nicer now with tt | |
| 14:59 | chris_n | magnuse: I pasted the lines from irc to the bug; does it seem enough? |
| 14:59 | * chris_n | would not pass it on QA with the change to Makefile.PL if it were up to him |
| 15:01 | magnuse | chris_n: great! |
| 15:01 | yeah, taking full advantage of tt sounds like a good project | |
| 15:08 | kf | magnuse: and a bit one, but we coudl start with memberentry perhaps... |
| 15:08 | that has some serious issues for translation too | |
| 15:09 | jcamins | chris_n: without the change to Makefile.PL, installation fails spectacularly. |
| 15:09 | magnuse | kf: sounds like a plan (for 2012) |
| 15:10 | kf | yeah |
| 15:10 | jcamins | chris_n: that is, installation of Koha fails spectacularly. |
| 15:11 | chris_n | jcamins: is it related to the work in the rest of the patch or a separate problem? |
| 15:11 | jcamins | chris_n: related to the patch. |
| 15:11 | chris_n: Koha/Images.pm won't be installed without it. | |
| 15:12 | chris_n | I see, so it adds a new directory then |
| 15:12 | jcamins | Right. |
| 15:13 | magnuse | so this will be the first patch to actually create files in the Koha namespace/directory? |
| 15:14 | chris_n | why not in C4? |
| 15:14 | jcamins | magnuse: yes, everything else is held up in QA. ;) |
| 15:14 | * chris_n | is concerned about getting outside of the C4 namespace |
| 15:14 | magnuse | i think there is a lon term plan to migrate code from C4:: to Koha:: |
| 15:14 | *long | |
| 15:14 | jcamins | Yep. |
| 15:15 | magnuse | making sure anything that goes into Koha:: is top notch |
| 15:15 | chris_n | it would probably be a good idea to discuss this on the list a bit then |
| 15:15 | jcamins | The idea is that by switching to Koha::, we will gradually get rid of the memory leaks. |
| 15:15 | magnuse | and in compliance with all our wishes for the future |
| 15:15 | chris_n | it represents a fairly major change |
| 15:15 | jcamins | chris_n: it was discussed a while ago. |
| 15:15 | chris_n | or maybe I missed the discussion? |
| 15:16 | jcamins | I don't remember when. Long enough ago that I knew I was breaking the rules when I used C4 for my easy cataloging interface. |
| 15:16 | chris_n | at any rate, the addition of the Koha:: namespace should be done in a separate patch with appropriate comments imho |
| 15:16 | * chris_n | does not recall any "rules" being made regarding the C4 namespace |
| 15:17 | jcamins | chris_n: I had understood there to be rules, anyway. |
| 15:26 | magnuse | chris_n: i think this is the message where sekjal proposes the Koha namespace: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]March/035302.html |
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| 15:27 | * jcamins | will take the easy road. |
| 15:27 | chris_n | I remember that discussion now, but that by no means constitutes any rule or change |
| 15:27 | jcamins | I'm moving the module to C4. |
| 15:28 | * chris_n | is not opposing the change in principle, just in practice at this time :-) |
| 15:28 | jcamins | Fair enough. |
| 15:28 | chris_n | C4 does need to be safely detonated |
| 15:28 | kf | it will not get detonated |
| 15:28 | magnuse | hehe |
| 15:28 | kf | oh |
| 15:28 | * kf | should read all conversation |
| 15:28 | chris_n | kf: C4 is a high explosive :-) |
| 15:29 | kf | yeah I get it now :) |
| 15:29 | magnuse | and (at least) twice as good as C2 |
| 15:29 | kf | meant that it will be replaced piece by piece, not all at one time |
| 15:29 | so no detonation really | |
| 15:29 | magnuse | yeah, more like we have to de-fuse it or something |
| 15:29 | chris_n | yeah, the shrapnel from such an event would be too destructive to the rest of the code base :) |
| 15:31 | magnuse | tee hee |
| 15:36 | jcamins | How do I return NULL in Perl? |
| 15:37 | chris_n | just "return" |
| 15:37 | jcamins | chris_n: okay, cool. |
| 15:37 | hdl1 | jcamins: return undef; |
| 15:38 | chris_n | ^^ |
| 15:38 | hdl1 | TMTOWTDI |
| 15:38 | wahanui | well, TMTOWTDI is there's more than one way to do it |
| 15:38 | jcamins | hdl1: Thanks. |
| 15:39 | hdl1 | (jcamins, in fact, it undef is translated as NULL when using DBI INSERT or UPDATE This can be useful.) |
| 15:40 | paul_p | about the switch from C4 to Koha, I don't think we've decided anything "for action". |
| 15:40 | kf | hmpf. Holdings Note: ; ; ; . |
| 15:40 | paul_p: perhaps something for the next meeting? | |
| 15:40 | paul_p | kf++ |
| 15:40 | kf | I think some people have started working ont his, but no decision about requirements and such were made |
| 15:41 | paul_p | (well, except next meeting is 4AM for me, which is -- !) |
| 15:41 | kf | oh |
| 15:41 | did we get it wrong again? | |
| 15:41 | paul_p | or is it me ? |
| 15:41 | kf | thought 2 good in a row and I fee like we had 4am before that |
| 15:41 | * chris_n | is opening a bug for it now and putting on the Jan 4 agenda |
| 15:42 | kf | I think 4 am really doesn't make much sense |
| 15:42 | magnuse | 4 January 2012 at 10:00 UTC+0 |
| 15:42 | paul_p | oops, sorry , I'm wrong |
| 15:42 | magnuse | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g,_4_January_2012 |
| 15:42 | chris_n | I suspect that it will need a month or two of discussion |
| 15:42 | paul_p | chris_n, I suspect that will need some POC ! |
| 15:42 | kf | chris_n++ |
| 15:42 | POC? | |
| 15:42 | paul_p | (and will be for 4.0) |
| 15:42 | kf, Proof Of Concept | |
| 15:42 | kf | not sure we have to wait that long |
| 15:43 | if we do it step by step as was suggested | |
| 15:43 | magnuse | POC? |
| 15:43 | kf | adding new functionality not to C4 but to Koha isntead |
| 15:43 | magnuse | POC is Proof Of Concept |
| 15:43 | POC? | |
| 15:43 | wahanui | i heard POC was Proof Of Concept |
| 15:43 | magnuse | yay |
| 15:43 | paul_p | some sample code to see how it could be implemented. With something not really working, but showing how it will work |
| 15:43 | kf | perhaps not rewrite existing modules now, but do new things in the new namespace |
| 15:43 | thx :) only didn't resolve the abbreviation | |
| 15:44 | new features like the local images coudl serves as poc | |
| 15:44 | but go in too | |
| 15:44 | magnuse | i think doing new things in the new namespace makes sense... |
| 15:44 | chris_n | also QA rules for inclusion in the new namespace |
| 15:45 | and rules on what goes in the old one | |
| 15:45 | s/goes/goes or does not go/ | |
| 15:45 | kf | I think short loans does some new Koha namespace thigns too |
| 15:45 | not sure though | |
| 15:46 | jcamins | kf: looks like it won't be serving as POC. |
| 15:46 | (local covers) | |
| 15:46 | magnuse | i think rangi had some thoughts on what should go in Koha:: - like code there should not include/use code from C4, if memory serves me right |
| 15:47 | bug 7359 | |
| 15:47 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7359 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Begin migration to a new "Koha" namespace from the old "C4" namespace |
| 15:48 | magnuse | yay! |
| 15:48 | chris_n | ok, bug added and added item to the next agenda |
| 15:48 | magnuse | chris_n++ |
| 15:48 | chris_n | feel free to comment to your heart's content |
| 15:51 | kf | jcamins: why? |
| 15:52 | jcamins | kf: 'cause I just removed it from the Koha namespace. |
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| 15:56 | oleonard | Sorry jcamins I stirred up a heap of trouble |
| 15:56 | jcamins | oleonard: no worries. |
| 15:56 | It was just a matter of find-and-replace. | |
| 15:59 | kf | ol |
| 15:59 | oleonard: can you help me with some jquery perhaps? | |
| 15:59 | oleonard | Sure |
| 16:00 | kf | I want to wrap the issn on the opac detai page in a link |
| 16:00 | there is a webservice here for libraries that will give back a picture with the online availability | |
| 16:00 | but I need to construct a link with the issn and the library's identifier | |
| 16:03 | oleonard: I have trouble finding the right selector to get only the issn | |
| 16:03 | <span class="results_summary issn"><span class="label">ISSN: </span>0946-8463; 0044-2267.</span> | |
| 16:03 | it's in a tag with another tag, nto sure how to deal with that | |
| 16:07 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:07 | * oleonard | is pondering |
| 16:07 | jcamins | oleonard: BTW, how do you feel about fig and hazelnut? |
| 16:07 | * oleonard | is all in |
| 16:08 | kf | sounds yummy |
| 16:08 | oleonard | jcamins: At first I thought you were asking about some new web technology I was unaware of |
| 16:08 | jcamins | oleonard: nope. |
| 16:08 | Fudge. | |
| 16:08 | * jcamins | is shamelessly bribing oleonard to make the image viewer beautiful. |
| 16:08 | * oleonard | is 99% there on the staff client patch |
| 16:08 | jcamins | oleonard++ |
| 16:09 | magnuse | oleonard++ |
| 16:09 | jcamins | I revised the patches, so they're ready for sign-off again. |
| 16:09 | And hopefully incorporate the changes that chris_n suggested. | |
| 16:10 | (that is, they certainly incorporate changes, but I'm not 100% sure they're what chris_n suggested) | |
| 16:11 | kf | jcamins: stop distracting oleonard :) |
| 16:11 | :P | |
| 16:11 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6302] Failing to send email notices - to_address not set <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6302> |
| 16:12 | jcamins | kf: I'm not, I'm bribing him. |
| 16:12 | Distracting would be saying "hey! Here's something not image veiwer-related!" | |
| 16:12 | :P | |
| 16:13 | kf | even worse, the bribing |
| 16:13 | * kf | is still trying to get her link working |
| 16:18 | oleonard | kf, is the ISSN displayed the same way the ISBN is? |
| 16:19 | kf | I think so |
| 16:19 | oleonard | <span class="results_summary"><span class="label">ISBN: </span>0937769258</span> ? |
| 16:19 | kf | yes |
| 16:19 | only there can be more than one... but that#s another problem | |
| 16:20 | perhaps one solution would be to wrap them into something | |
| 16:20 | oleonard | Well, not sure about handling more than one... |
| 16:20 | kf | one is enough for now :) |
| 16:20 | pastebot | "oleonard" at 66.213.78.34 pasted "Convert ISSN to link" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/152 |
| 16:20 | oleonard | This worked in my Firebug console |
| 16:20 | kf | very cool thank you :) |
| 16:20 | there is a class now for isbn and issn | |
| 16:20 | in 3.6 | |
| 16:21 | will make it a bit easier, no contains needed | |
| 16:21 | works! thank you! | |
| 16:31 | rangi | wow i thought that was all decided way back there was a big long thread, clean code, no dependencies on anything in C4 except C4/Context moving to Koha ... guess i dreamed the whole thing |
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| 16:32 | oleonard | Perhaps you're still dreaming rangi, it is awfully early isn't it? |
| 16:32 | rangi | yeah i fell asleep early tho |
| 16:33 | magnuse | 5.30 right? |
| 16:33 | chris_n | rangi: the only thread pointed out so far is gmcharlt's suggestion |
| 16:34 | nothing pointed up to a firm decision | |
| 16:34 | kf | oleonard++ |
| 16:34 | chris_n | not to mention the change should not be hidden deep in a large feature patch |
| 16:34 | gmcharlt | well, if there's no objection ... |
| 16:34 | ;) | |
| 16:34 | kf | oleonard: now I only have to find a way to split them into single issn. hm. |
| 16:34 | chris_n | as I stated, none in principle, only in practice :-) |
| 16:35 | rangi | i disagree |
| 16:35 | it is not a major change | |
| 16:35 | * chris_n | thinks if we made decisions always on the amount of responses to the list discussions we'd be in trouble |
| 16:35 | chris_n | sorry, I disagree there |
| 16:35 | rangi | thats the entire point, its a small managable way to make code cleanup |
| 16:35 | a major change is rewriting modules in place | |
| 16:36 | chris_n | its major because it requires a new set of rules to play by if it is to do any good |
| 16:36 | rangi | no existing scripts are changed to use this module |
| 16:36 | ok whatever, i give in | |
| 16:36 | talk about it for 9 more months | |
| 16:36 | kf | I think doing it the way rangi said sounds good |
| 16:36 | and I remembered it that way too | |
| 16:36 | * rangi | advised jcamins to put it there, ill stop advising people to do that now |
| 16:37 | kf | that's why people have started to write patches using the new namespace... |
| 16:44 | time to leave for me | |
| 16:44 | bye all | |
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| 16:45 | gmcharlt | well, it's major in the sense that it will move Koha in some excellent directions |
| 16:45 | oleonard | If this change can be done incrementally what's the objection? |
| 16:45 | gmcharlt | but minor in the sense that it implicitly specifies baby-steps to take us there |
| 16:46 | and I don't think it would be that hard to concisely express the rules for the Koha namespace | |
| 16:46 | to take a quick stab at it | |
| 16:46 | there would be some things that we've been (increasingly) doing anyway | |
| 16:46 | * use strict; use warnings; | |
| 16:46 | * POD | |
| 16:46 | * test cases | |
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| 16:47 | jcamins | Whoops. Never added the test file. |
| 16:47 | Well, that'll have to wait. | |
| 16:47 | gmcharlt | the main difference, as I see it, is that code in the Koha namespace needs to not retain global or package state in ways that would interfere with the likes of mod_perl |
| 16:47 | chris_n | something regarding circular deps as well (a real problem in C4) |
| 16:48 | gmcharlt | chris_n: yeah, that too |
| 16:49 | * jcamins | supposes he has to rewrite all the tests anyway. |
| 16:49 | jcamins | Just as well I never added the file. |
| 16:50 | rangi | yeah the no uncleared globals is the key |
| 16:50 | chris_n | minimum exports as well |
| 16:51 | rangi | id lean to OO where it makes sense, minimum default exports where it doesnt |
| 16:51 | chris_n | OO++ |
| 16:52 | rangi | 5549 and 7248 |
| 16:52 | wahanui | 12797 |
| 16:52 | rangi | heh |
| 16:52 | chris_n | lol |
| 16:52 | jcamins | Bug 7248 |
| 16:52 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7248 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Caching for services |
| 16:52 | gmcharlt | hmm |
| 16:52 | rangi | are gonna need to be looked it with that in mind |
| 16:52 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 16:52 | gmcharlt | 901 less 500 |
| 16:53 | ... | |
| 16:53 | jcamins | 901 minus 500 |
| 16:53 | oleonard | 901 minus 500 |
| 16:53 | rangi | 901 minus 500 |
| 16:53 | chris_n | 1 or 0 |
| 16:53 | rangi | heh |
| 16:53 | gmcharlt | wahanui: I guess you can only add |
| 16:53 | wahanui | gmcharlt: excuse me? |
| 16:53 | rangi | 901 - 500 |
| 16:53 | wahanui | 401 |
| 16:53 | oleonard | 500 from 901? |
| 16:53 | rangi | and must be the only keyword |
| 16:53 | gmcharlt | a ha! |
| 16:53 | 6 times 7 | |
| 16:53 | wahanui | 42 |
| 16:53 | jcamins | 42 divided by 7 |
| 16:53 | wahanui | 6 |
| 16:53 | chris_n | 5 minus 1 |
| 16:54 | jcamins | 5 take away 1 |
| 16:54 | oleonard | If we tell wahanui to calculate pi will the channel crash? |
| 16:54 | gmcharlt | square root of -1 |
| 16:54 | wahanui: no imagination whatsoever | |
| 16:54 | chris_n | now you've done it |
| 16:54 | wahanui | gmcharlt: sorry... |
| 16:54 | gmcharlt | you should be! |
| 16:55 | * chris_n | goes off in search of food |
| 16:57 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 570 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 17:01 | rhcl | For those that care, the local university group is off to a pretty good start on creating a FLOSS PAC system. |
| 17:01 | jcamins | Public Access Catalog? |
| 17:01 | rhcl | Public Access Computing |
| 17:01 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 17:01 | My next guess was going to be Political Action Committee. | |
| 17:02 | rhcl | Authentication, time and print controls for public computers |
| 17:02 | oleonard | Nice |
| 17:02 | rhcl | it helps that they have an excellent technical adviser |
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| 17:05 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7262 - No calendar present in holidays module when there are quotes in title... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d4da147359e5b2e43> / bug 7239 fix to avoid error being thrown even though a record is created <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]793985a5b498ab22a> / Fix for Bug 7227, "Delete all items" action should |
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| 17:14 | rangi | i wonder if anyone wants to qa the new unit tests on 5327 |
| 17:14 | jcamins | bug 5327 |
| 17:14 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules |
| 17:15 | rangi | they are signed off |
| 17:15 | the last one is cool because it would make our first all green module | |
| 17:16 | http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ter/HTML_Report/? | |
| 17:16 | C4::Boolean there | |
| 17:16 | the test extends it to test the last missing condtional | |
| 17:21 | paul_p | oups, too late for me to test. Will try tomorrow. bye bye ppl ! |
| 17:21 | have a good day rangi & al ! | |
| 17:22 | rangi | sleep well paul_p |
| 17:22 | who's this al guy? :) | |
| 17:23 | paul_p | still 20 signed off patches to QA& push if they're small. I hope i'll have cleaned the queue before the end of the week, and have only "large" patches to QA ! |
| 17:24 | rangi | wooot |
| 17:24 | ill try to sign off more to make that impossible! | |
| 17:24 | hehe | |
| 17:24 | * rangi | is a meany |
| 17:24 | rangi | but seriously, great work paul_p |
| 17:25 | oleonard | and the rest of us will try to submit more patches so that rangi can't keep up |
| 17:25 | rangi | heh |
| 17:25 | rhcl | so if I wanted to use one of these: http://www.samsung.com/global/[…]gs5/gs5_main.html for shelf reading, it seems like |
| 17:25 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7309 - Add NORMARCslim2intranetDetail.xsl for detail view in intranet <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]56da77708fd9a9c26> / Bug 7287 : Fix overdue notification if a branch given as parameter does not have... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]61466a1f7bf3a84c4> / Bug 7275 - Pagination lost when click in the optio |
| 17:25 | paul_p | well, i'd like to have QA team (me excluded) dedicated to QAing large patches, so I could concentrate on other things, like perf improvement & sandboxes & other things. |
| 17:26 | rhcl | I should be able to pull a shelf list out of the opac, put it into a stack, start scanning books, and just pop them off the stack as they are scanned, right? |
| 17:26 | jcamins | rhcl: I'd use a report or the inventory tool. |
| 17:26 | rangi | paul_p: yep |
| 17:29 | jcamins | oleonard: unfortunately, I think the problem was that the link resolver code wasn't so good. |
| 17:30 | I have a vague recollection of it being Serial Solutions-only. | |
| 17:30 | oleonard | That wouldn't surprise me of course |
| 17:30 | * jcamins | preferred to just use jQuery. |
| 17:31 | jcamins | Incidentally, wouldn't it be a nifty feature to optionally include the MARCXML namespaced into the opac-detail XHTML? |
| 17:32 | Or am I just weird? | |
| 17:32 | Actually, don't answer that second question. | |
| 17:33 | * oleonard | is wondering if we'll now need an "Images" tab in the left-hand sidebar menu in the staff client |
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| 17:34 | jcamins | oleonard: isn't that what the tab is for? |
| 17:35 | oleonard | Yes, but once you've clicked away from the detail page you're on a standalone images page. It feels like it needs to have its own tab on the left so that that tab can be highlighted and the user is properly oriented |
| 17:35 | jcamins | Ah, I see. |
| 17:36 | That might make sense. | |
| 17:37 | francharb | hi there |
| 17:37 | wahanui | bonjour, francharb |
| 17:37 | francharb | wahanui is welcoming today |
| 17:37 | grat | |
| 17:37 | great | |
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| 17:39 | chris_n | heya cait |
| 17:39 | cait | hi again #koha |
| 17:39 | Oak | oh hello miss cait. |
| 17:39 | cait | hi mr Oak :) |
| 17:40 | Oak | :) |
| 17:44 | jcamins | I have to say, the image uploading is pretty nice. |
| 17:44 | Oak | image uploading++ |
| 17:46 | oleonard | Next we need to be able to drag an image right onto the images tab and have it automatically upload :) |
| 17:48 | jcamins | oleonard: that would be very cool, and I look forward to seeing that feature. |
| 17:48 | * jcamins | would add a loaf of bread or two to his bribe for that. :) |
| 17:48 | * oleonard | doesn't think he's smart enough for that one yet |
| 17:49 | * jcamins | remembers that the SD card needs to be *in* the camera in order to take pictures. |
| 17:50 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #570: SUCCESS in 52 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/570/ |
| 17:50 | * info: Bug 7143: Updating About.tt for Ian Walls, Chris Nighswonger and Paul Poulain | |
| 17:50 | * info: Bug 7143: Follow up patch for Updating about.tt | |
| 17:50 | * ian.walls: Bug 7160: paying fines throws error | |
| 17:50 | * mtj: Bug 7164 - add Koha history timeline tab to 'About' page | |
| 17:50 | * paul.poulain: Bug 7164 minor follow-up | |
| 17:50 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7143 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page |
| 17:50 | jenkins_koha | * paul.poulain: Bug 7164 follow-up history.txt and perlcritic compliance |
| 17:50 | * robin: Bug 7197 - add a Spanish readme file to the packages | |
| 17:50 | * oleonard: Bug 7202 - z39.50 search on bib edit not working | |
| 17:50 | * oleonard: Bug 7135 - in addbiblio, make save button floating to have it on always on screen | |
| 17:50 | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 7227, "Delete all items" action should redirect to the detail view | |
| 17:50 | * chrish: bug 7239 fix to avoid error being thrown even though a record is created | |
| 17:50 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7160 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, ASSIGNED , paying fines throws error |
| 17:50 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7164 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, mtj, ASSIGNED , add Koha history timeline tab to 'About' page | |
| 17:50 | jenkins_koha | * juan.sieira: Bug 7262 - No calendar present in holidays module when there are quotes in title or description |
| 17:50 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7197 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , ES translation of the Debian readme |
| 17:50 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7202 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , z39.50 search on bib edit not working | |
| 17:50 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7135 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , in addbiblio, make save button floating to have it on always on screen | |
| 17:50 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7227 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , "Delete all items" action should redirect to the detail view, not the items view | |
| 17:50 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7239 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED , Acquisitions, add order to basket, from new, no item field filed, AcqCreateItem=ordering cause internal error | |
| 17:50 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7262 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, juan.sieira, ASSIGNED , No calendar present in holidays module when there are quotes in title or description | |
| 17:50 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 571 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 17:51 | rangi | yay success |
| 17:51 | cait | yay :) |
| 17:52 | Oak | \o/ |
| 17:58 | rangi | paul_p++ |
| 17:58 | chris_n++ | |
| 18:00 | chris_n | 3.6.2 will have a ton of things in it |
| 18:00 | cait | which is good - lots of bug fixes :) |
| 18:08 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7247] rebuild_zebra.pl -v should show all Zebra log output <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7247> |
| 18:12 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 25 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 18:48 | rangi | @wunder wellington nz |
| 18:48 | huginn` | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:48 | selva_55 | Is Koha 3.6.1 helpful for a library just starting to use Koha? |
| 18:48 | jcamins | selva_55: it's the latest version, so I'd encourage you to use it, yes. |
| 18:49 | chris_n | 3.6.1 is the current stable release, so I'd say yes |
| 18:49 | <snap> | |
| 18:50 | selva_55 | Thanks for your reply. To run it on Windows, will I be able to download a software? |
| 18:50 | * rangi | hides |
| 18:51 | * libsysguy | also hides |
| 18:51 | jcamins | selva_55: no, Koha runs on Linux servers. |
| 18:51 | selva_55: unfortunately, setting up a Linux server isn't really something we can help you with here. | |
| 18:52 | libsysguy | selva_55: if you decide to set up a linux server you should persue debain |
| 18:52 | Oak | paul_p++ |
| 18:52 | jcamins | There are companies that will do the setup, and even hosting, for you if you are interested in having someone with experience do the work for you. |
| 18:52 | Oak | chris_n++ |
| 18:52 | @wunder islamabad | |
| 18:52 | huginn` | Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 7.0°C (11:00 PM PKT on December 14, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:52 | selva_55 | Owen says: Koha cannot be installed directly on Windows, but you can use software like VirtualBox to run Linux in a virtual machine on Windows. |
| 18:53 | jcamins | selva_55: that's correct. |
| 18:53 | So you would need to set up a Linux installation. | |
| 18:53 | selva_55 | Is VirtualBox expensive? |
| 18:53 | libsysguy | selva_55: http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ |
| 18:53 | jcamins | You can do that under VirtualBox, if you'd like. |
| 18:53 | libsysguy | virtual box is free |
| 18:53 | jcamins | selva_55: VirtualBox is free. |
| 18:54 | selva_55 | Thanks indeed for that info! |
| 18:54 | jcamins | Oooooh. VKhUTEMAS published its own books. I didn't know that. |
| 18:54 | rhcl | https://www.virtualbox.org/ |
| 18:54 | libsysguy | selva_55: if you are going to run koha in production I would strongly recommend a dedicated machine instead of virtualbox |
| 18:54 | rangi | vmware in production has been done before |
| 18:54 | jcamins | libsysguy: oh, yes, good job pointing that out. |
| 18:54 | We tried VirtualBox in production once. | |
| 18:55 | maximep | the stage import page had a choice of marc21/unimarc but now in 3.6 it seems to let you choose the character encodinginstead (utf8, marc8, etc). Does it guess the format ? |
| 18:55 | jcamins | It was an unqualified disaster. |
| 18:55 | maximep: you don't get a choice. | |
| 18:55 | You never did. | |
| 18:55 | If you're using UNIMARC, it will only handle UNIMARC records. | |
| 18:55 | If MARC21, only MARC21. | |
| 18:55 | It ignored what you set in the past. | |
| 18:55 | maximep | ok, good |
| 18:55 | libsysguy | selva_55: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 18:55 | jcamins | Now it allows you to import records with accented characters. |
| 18:55 | selva_55 | We are a small university college library. |
| 18:55 | maximep | what's the encoding when you use the default ? |
| 18:56 | jcamins | selva_55: then you *definitely* can't use VirtualBox. |
| 18:56 | maximep: UTF-8. | |
| 18:56 | rangi | vmware tho |
| 18:56 | libsysguy | selva_55: it doesn't take anything special to run debian...just run it instead of windows |
| 18:56 | jcamins | rangi: yeah, VMWare would work. Probably Xen, too. |
| 18:57 | selva_55 | Debian? |
| 18:57 | wahanui | hmmm... Debian is what most people use and there are good manuals and even packages for that |
| 18:57 | maximep | so why not just select utf-8 in the choices ? :S |
| 18:57 | rangi | we have a 6 branch public running on vmware |
| 18:57 | jcamins | rangi: but under no circumstances should VirtualBox be considered for production in a college library. |
| 18:57 | rangi | nope |
| 18:57 | jcamins | maximep: well, I over-simplified. |
| 18:57 | * libsysguy | uses hyper-v |
| 18:57 | rhcl | we're running a koha test server in a VBox on debian on debian |
| 18:57 | rangi | that council virtualises all its servers tho |
| 18:57 | jcamins | Default isn't actually UTF-8. It's like UTF-8, but a bit difference. |
| 18:57 | * jcamins | never uses default. |
| 18:57 | rhcl | correction: VBox on debian on ubuntu |
| 18:57 | cait | jcamins: that's not right |
| 18:58 | selva_55 | It's very interesting to join you knowledgeable guys & gals |
| 18:58 | rangi | so it was the same as a dedicated linux both really |
| 18:58 | jcamins | rhcl: would you use that in production, though? |
| 18:58 | cait | the default encoding is not utf-8 |
| 18:58 | maximep | we use KVM here hehe |
| 18:58 | cait | I am not sure what it does, but it only works for my records when I select utf-8 - everything else breaks the diacricits |
| 18:58 | rhcl | If I had too, I would, but thankfully I have enough metal to go around |
| 18:58 | jcamins | cait: hm, yes, "like UTF-8." |
| 18:58 | libsysguy | ahh diacritics |
| 18:58 | rhcl | to |
| 18:58 | * libsysguy | thinks about poor margo having to recatalog our entire collection |
| 18:58 | cait | jcamins: ? |
| 18:58 | sorry, wa sreading back | |
| 18:59 | rangi | maximep: yep kvm at catalyst too, used to be vservers, then xen now kvm |
| 18:59 | jcamins | cait: I don't know what it does, exactly. I was maintaining the old behavior. |
| 18:59 | maximep | why switch from xen to kvm ? |
| 18:59 | jcamins | cait: and according to the instructions, it defaults to UTF-8. |
| 19:00 | I thought it was just me who had problems with that. | |
| 19:00 | cait | yeah, but it doesn't work |
| 19:00 | not sure what it does | |
| 19:00 | jcamins | maximep: don't use Default. |
| 19:00 | Ever. | |
| 19:00 | cait | maximep: listen to jcamins :) |
| 19:00 | rangi | maximep: I dont know, sysadmins like it better |
| 19:00 | they have to look after it, so im happy to just go with it :) | |
| 19:00 | maximep | so youre telling me what Default is always the worst choice ? haha |
| 19:01 | jcamins | selva_55: so, anyway, to sum up, you could use VirtualBox for testing, but you'll need an alternative for production. |
| 19:01 | maximep: yes. | |
| 19:01 | cait | maximep: yep - but bonus points of you make it work :) |
| 19:01 | rhcl | VirtualBox isn in every disto's repo, so it's a snap to install. Basic features, but it does all the simple stuff reliably and it's just easy to setup and run |
| 19:01 | rangi | isn't there a patch for that? |
| 19:01 | jcamins | maximep: well, KOI8-R would be worse if you had UTF-8 records. |
| 19:01 | selva_55 | Thanks for clarifying about VBox |
| 19:01 | libsysguy | np selva_55 |
| 19:02 | rhcl | I've also used VMware Server, which is fine, but it's a separate download and some extra clicky clicky |
| 19:02 | libsysguy | what university do you want to implement this for? |
| 19:02 | * libsysguy | is just curious |
| 19:03 | selva_55 | We are affiliated to a univ in Italy |
| 19:03 | libsysguy | ahh ok cool |
| 19:03 | jcamins | Zeno Tajoli is based in Italy, isn't he? |
| 19:03 | rhcl | If I needed really fancy stuff, like drag-n-drop moving of virtualmachines all over geo-separated hardware, then VMware has the best tools, but at a price |
| 19:03 | rangi | have u heard of cilea? |
| 19:04 | jcamins: yes works for cilea | |
| 19:05 | jcamins | rangi: just because Zeno works there. |
| 19:05 | rangi | yeah selva_55 should maybe get in touch |
| 19:06 | jcamins | rangi: oh, that question wasn't for me. |
| 19:06 | Never mind. | |
| 19:06 | rangi | :) |
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| 19:06 | cait | rangi: nope |
| 19:06 | patch... reading slowly tonight | |
| 19:06 | a bit distracted | |
| 19:06 | rangi | ahhh |
| 19:06 | cait | I only fixed the command line script |
| 19:06 | and there default is utf-8 | |
| 19:06 | rangi | ah ha |
| 19:07 | cait | the gui does it differently |
| 19:07 | rangi | is there a bug? |
| 19:07 | selva_55 | Many thanks to the Koha people!! |
| 19:07 | rangi | I could ask duncan to look |
| 19:07 | jcamins | rangi: no, because I always thought that it was a feature. |
| 19:07 | Just one I didn't get. | |
| 19:07 | rangi | :) |
| 19:08 | jcamins | It's a one-line fix. |
| 19:08 | Eliminate "Default" and make "UTF-8" selected by default. | |
| 19:08 | Okay, two lines. | |
| 19:08 | rangi | perfect for the newb |
| 19:08 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 19:08 | Then, yes. | |
| 19:08 | Good plan. :) | |
| 19:08 | cait | I tihnk it tries to guess |
| 19:08 | but it guesses wrong | |
| 19:08 | jcamins | Bonus points if he can figure out what Default is supposed to do. |
| 19:08 | cait | yep |
| 19:08 | rangi | :) |
| 19:08 | jcamins | And make it work like that. |
| 19:08 | maximep | the cli script is so different from the interface :S |
| 19:09 | cait | I tried it |
| 19:09 | followed the trace through various files and gave up in the end | |
| 19:09 | rangi | ok if someone wants to file a bug ill get him on to it |
| 19:09 | jcamins | maximep: that's because the CLI script didn't have to match pre-existing behavior. |
| 19:09 | rangi | he has been writing tests |
| 19:09 | will be a nice change | |
| 19:09 | ok my stop bbiab | |
| 19:10 | maximep | oh, I might as well ask a question about the script |
| 19:10 | I had data in the .mrc with a branch that didn't exist | |
| 19:10 | cait | ah |
| 19:10 | it will give you no errror | |
| 19:10 | but still not import them | |
| 19:11 | I reported a bug for that | |
| 19:11 | maximep | i think it did |
| 19:11 | give me an error | |
| 19:11 | cait | oh? |
| 19:11 | was not aware it got fixed | |
| 19:11 | I had a case where it said "all imported!" and nothing was there | |
| 19:11 | maximep | but i wonder what the interface does |
| 19:12 | jcamins | maximep: if I had to guess, I'd say it probably sticks the 952s into biblioitems, leaving you with seriously screwed up bib records. |
| 19:12 | maximep | anyway, not long to just search and replace in the mrc file |
| 19:12 | * jcamins | doesn't know where that guess came from, but he's pretty good about it being right. |
| 19:14 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #571: SUCCESS in 1 h 23 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/571/ |
| 19:14 | * m.de.rooy: Bug 7270: Removing double itemtype on shelve contents page when no icon is shown | |
| 19:14 | * juan.sieira: Bug 7275 - Pagination lost when click in the option "Show more" of facets column | |
| 19:14 | * sophie.meynieux: Bug 7287 : Fix overdue notification if a branch given as parameter does not have rules | |
| 19:14 | * magnus: Bug 7309 - Add NORMARCslim2intranetDetail.xsl for detail view in intranet | |
| 19:14 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7270 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Removing double itemtype on shelve contents page when no icon is shown |
| 19:14 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7275 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, juan.sieira, ASSIGNED , Pagination lost when click in the option "Show more" of facets column | |
| 19:14 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7287 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, sophie.meynieux, ASSIGNED , overdue notification is processed several times if some sites do not have rules | |
| 19:14 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7309 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Add NORMARCslim2intranetDetail.xsl for detail view in intranet | |
| 19:17 | rangi | ohhh now i can use xslt with all my norwegian records |
| 19:17 | maximep | there's a marc format only for norway ? |
| 19:18 | rangi | yup |
| 19:18 | normarc | |
| 19:18 | theres tons of the things | |
| 19:19 | most have stopped being used though | |
| 19:22 | magnus_afk | huh? |
| 19:22 | ;-) | |
| 19:22 | rangi | :) |
| 19:23 | i just saw your xslt was pushed | |
| 19:23 | magnus_afk | yeah, but us norwegians are sooo special we just gotta have our own library metadata format, you see... |
| 19:23 | yup, cool! (and sad that we need it...) | |
| 19:25 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.6.x build #25: SUCCESS in 1 h 12 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.6.x/25/ |
| 19:25 | * info: Bug 7143: Updating About.tt for Ian Walls, Chris Nighswonger and Paul Poulain | |
| 19:25 | * info: Bug 7143: Follow up patch for Updating about.tt | |
| 19:25 | * ian.walls: Bug 7160: paying fines throws error | |
| 19:25 | * mtj: Bug 7164 - add Koha history timeline tab to 'About' page | |
| 19:25 | * paul.poulain: Bug 7164 minor follow-up | |
| 19:25 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7143 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, katrin.fischer, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page |
| 19:25 | jenkins_koha | * paul.poulain: Bug 7164 follow-up history.txt and perlcritic compliance |
| 19:25 | * robin: Bug 7197 - add a Spanish readme file to the packages | |
| 19:25 | * oleonard: Bug 7202 - z39.50 search on bib edit not working | |
| 19:25 | * oleonard: Bug 7135 - in addbiblio, make save button floating to have it on always on screen | |
| 19:25 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7160 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, kyle.m.hall, ASSIGNED , paying fines throws error |
| 19:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7164 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, mtj, ASSIGNED , add Koha history timeline tab to 'About' page | |
| 19:25 | jenkins_koha | * oleonard: Fix for Bug 7227, "Delete all items" action should redirect to the detail view |
| 19:25 | * chrish: bug 7239 fix to avoid error being thrown even though a record is created | |
| 19:25 | * juan.sieira: Bug 7262 - No calendar present in holidays module when there are quotes in title or description | |
| 19:25 | * m.de.rooy: Bug 7270: Removing double itemtype on shelve contents page when no icon is shown | |
| 19:25 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7197 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , ES translation of the Debian readme |
| 19:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7202 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , z39.50 search on bib edit not working | |
| 19:25 | jenkins_koha | * juan.sieira: Bug 7275 - Pagination lost when click in the option "Show more" of facets column |
| 19:25 | * sophie.meynieux: Bug 7287 : Fix overdue notification if a branch given as parameter does not have rules | |
| 19:25 | * magnus: Bug 7309 - Add NORMARCslim2intranetDetail.xsl for detail view in intranet | |
| 19:25 | * chris.nighswonger: Followup on bug 7185 to correct Marcel de Rooy's name | |
| 19:25 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7135 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , in addbiblio, make save button floating to have it on always on screen |
| 19:25 | jenkins_koha | * chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for 3.06.02.000 14 Dec 2011 17:57:42 Z |
| 19:25 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7227 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , "Delete all items" action should redirect to the detail view, not the items view |
| 19:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7239 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, ASSIGNED , Acquisitions, add order to basket, from new, no item field filed, AcqCreateItem=ordering cause internal error | |
| 19:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7262 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, juan.sieira, ASSIGNED , No calendar present in holidays module when there are quotes in title or description | |
| 19:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7270 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Removing double itemtype on shelve contents page when no icon is shown | |
| 19:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7275 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, juan.sieira, ASSIGNED , Pagination lost when click in the option "Show more" of facets column | |
| 19:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7287 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, sophie.meynieux, ASSIGNED , overdue notification is processed several times if some sites do not have rules | |
| 19:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7309 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Add NORMARCslim2intranetDetail.xsl for detail view in intranet | |
| 19:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7185 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, REOPENED , Update to 3.6 says "Koha release 3.4" | |
| 19:34 | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7359] Begin migration to a new "Koha" namespace from the old "C4" namespace <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7359> | |
| 19:43 | oleonard | chris_n++ |
| 19:45 | chris_n | 4 good reasons not to text while driving: http://www.youtube.com/watch?f[…]ded&v=DebhWD6ljZs |
| 19:48 | rangi | heh |
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| 19:53 | caser | Hi everyone. I have a question. Does anyone know of a chart/key/map that connects the names of fields in the staff client with the corresponding database table or cell? |
| 19:56 | Sylence joined #koha | |
| 19:56 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5327] Unit tests required for all C4 modules <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327> |
| 19:56 | rangi | heya Sylence |
| 19:56 | mbalmer | chris_n, that is kind of brutal |
| 19:56 | Sylence | hi :) |
| 19:57 | chris_n | mbalmer: the truth is often that way |
| 19:57 | rangi | Sylence: cait is gonna make you a bug to work on :) |
| 19:57 | Sylence | rangi: sounds good |
| 19:58 | rangi | she also signed off on some of your unit tests the other day |
| 19:58 | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars | |
| 19:59 | * cait | waves |
| 19:59 | cait | hi Sylence and thx for your work :) |
| 19:59 | chris_n | Sylence must be the intern rangi keeps busy :-) |
| 19:59 | cait | hehe yes |
| 19:59 | rangi | well turns out he is probably going to be fulltime, but unfortunately i think another team is going to grab him |
| 20:00 | mbalmer | good we have siri these days (which does not work either) |
| 20:00 | rangi | but we might get him hooked enough he will still do some patches :) |
| 20:00 | * cait | offers to file more bugs to help with that plan |
| 20:00 | chris_n | mbalmer: and voice responsive gps, etc |
| 20:00 | rangi | bug 7361 |
| 20:00 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7361 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , 'Default' encoding in staged marc import breaks diacritics |
| 20:00 | Sylence | hi cait! I just submitted another unit test :) |
| 20:00 | rangi | there ya go Sylence :) |
| 20:01 | chris_n | Sylence++ |
| 20:01 | unit_tests++ | |
| 20:01 | cait | Sylence++ |
| 20:01 | unit_tests++ | |
| 20:01 | indeed | |
| 20:01 | rangi | @karma sylence |
| 20:01 | huginn` | rangi: Karma for "sylence" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. |
| 20:01 | mbalmer | chris_n, last night, when driving home, the highway was blocked. brutal accident. highwas was closed 8pm - 4am. dunno if they texted, though |
| 20:02 | rangi | @karma ie |
| 20:02 | huginn` | rangi: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 34 times for a total karma of -34. |
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| 20:02 | rangi | @wunder wellington nz |
| 20:02 | huginn` | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (8:00 AM NZDT on December 15, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:02 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 20:02 | huginn` | chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 16.0°C (2:35 PM EST on December 14, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.35 in 1028 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:02 | rangi | @marc 245 |
| 20:02 | huginn` | rangi: The title and statement of responsibility area of the bibliographic description of a work. [a,b,c,f,g,h,k,n,p,s,6,8] |
| 20:02 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 20:02 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 4.6°C (9:00 PM CET on December 14, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:02 | rangi | rangi? |
| 20:02 | wahanui | I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! |
| 20:03 | rangi | mtj? |
| 20:03 | wahanui | DeM KraZy NutZ!! |
| 20:03 | chris_n | koha? |
| 20:03 | wahanui | hmmm... koha is a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info |
| 20:03 | mbalmer | I AM NUTS! |
| 20:03 | rangi | mbalmer? |
| 20:03 | wahanui | mbalmer is not yet familiar enoigh with the system to offer you a patch, sorry. |
| 20:03 | cait | rangi? :) |
| 20:03 | rangi? | |
| 20:03 | wahanui | I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! |
| 20:03 | chris_n | cait? |
| 20:03 | wahanui | That's Ms. Cait to you! |
| 20:03 | chris_n | lol |
| 20:03 | cait | heh |
| 20:04 | chrisdothall | hehe |
| 20:04 | cait | eythian... |
| 20:04 | wahanui | eythian is in NZ. ;) or a good influence |
| 20:04 | cait | germs? |
| 20:04 | wahanui | Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. |
| 20:04 | rangi | mbalmer? |
| 20:04 | wahanui | rangi is NUTS! |
| 20:04 | rangi | what! |
| 20:04 | chris_n | hehe |
| 20:04 | mbalmer | yes, rangi? |
| 20:04 | wahanui | I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! |
| 20:04 | jcamins | jcamins? |
| 20:04 | wahanui | you are supposed to be an outstanding cook. or well-traveled and brilliant. or trying to think of a solution, but short of a set of three sysprefs (ShelfBrowserUsesLocation, ShelfBrowserUsesCcode, and ShelfBrowserUsesHomeBranch), I don't really have any ideas. or awesome fixing broken email notifications or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra |
| 20:04 | Sylence | Sylence? |
| 20:05 | lol, didn't think so :) | |
| 20:05 | rangi | oh and the other useful thing is |
| 20:05 | @quote random | |
| 20:05 | huginn` | rangi: Quote #115: "chris: friends don't let friends use proprietary software." (added by chris_n at 05:36 PM, January 19, 2011) |
| 20:05 | cait | kf? |
| 20:05 | wahanui | kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss |
| 20:05 | chrisdothall | hahaha |
| 20:05 | cait | wahanui botsnack cookie |
| 20:05 | wahanui | thanks cait :) |
| 20:05 | rangi | @quote get 123 |
| 20:05 | huginn` | rangi: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 20:05 | jcamins | @quote get 123 |
| 20:05 | huginn` | jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 20:05 | rangi | heh |
| 20:05 | cait | @quote random |
| 20:05 | huginn` | cait: Quote #95: "< robin> to be honest, I think if you mention Koha and Perl, your CV could say your hobbies include puppy-kitten cage-fights, and you'd be snapped up :)" (added by chris at 09:36 PM, October 06, 2010) |
| 20:07 | mbalmer | @quote pain |
| 20:07 | huginn` | mbalmer: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 20:07 | mbalmer | huginn should say something about perl now... |
| 20:11 | caser | Does anyone know of a chart/key/map that connects the names of fields in the staff client with the corresponding database table or cell? |
| 20:11 | oleonard | I don't think such a thing exists caser. What are you trying to do? |
| 20:11 | cait | oleonard++ for asking the right question |
| 20:13 | caser | oleonard, I often run into problems when I'm trying to create or edit a report, and I know what field I want to include by the name in the staff client, but I don't know what it's called in the database |
| 20:15 | oleonard | schema? |
| 20:15 | wahanui | schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org |
| 20:15 | caser | I can usually find it after a good bit of searching, guessing, trial and error, but it'd be nice if that information was all in one place. |
| 20:15 | oleonard | caser: That link is something to try |
| 20:16 | It describes each of the Koha database tables and the contents of each column | |
| 20:16 | selva_55 | Do you do business with LibLime Koha |
| 20:16 | or is it taboo? | |
| 20:16 | oleonard | caser: For instance, http://schema.koha-community.o[…]es/borrowers.html |
| 20:16 | jcamins | selva_55: no one here uses it, so you'll be basically on your own. |
| 20:16 | Well, occasionally jwagner from LibLime is online. | |
| 20:17 | Maybe she would help you with problems you encountered. | |
| 20:17 | selva_55 | So Koha-community is diferent from LibLime |
| 20:17 | oleonard | selva_55: One of the advantages to using Koha over "Liblime Koha" is that you can get help here |
| 20:17 | jcamins | However, I don't think there is anyone who would recommend using the LibLime fork. |
| 20:17 | Koha continues to be actively developed. | |
| 20:17 | selva_55 | And is Koha free still? |
| 20:17 | jcamins | Koha is free, yes. |
| 20:18 | And open source. | |
| 20:18 | wahanui | open source is strong and solid partly because different people are working through the system |
| 20:18 | jcamins | wahanui++ # a truer word was never spoke |
| 20:18 | selva_55: LibLime's fork is somewhat less free and open source. | |
| 20:18 | selva_55 | So glad for open source! |
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| 20:20 | rhcl | restraint noted |
| 20:21 | caser | oleonard, I don't think that's what I need, but I could be wrong. What I mean is, if I'm using the staff client and I know I want to include the field that's called "Home Library" in the staff client, how can I find out that in the tables it's called "branchcode" |
| 20:23 | oleonard | caser: I'm not saying it's easy, but you could read through the descriptions of the borrowers table until you found the column which had the right description |
| 20:26 | rangi | stupid fire alarm |
| 20:26 | caser | Ok. Yeah, not easy, but definitely better than nothing. Thanks |
| 20:26 | * rangi | tries to start his day again |
| 20:27 | jcamins | Bother. The lights won't turn on, and everyone is out. |
| 20:31 | caser | oleonard, If I wanted to create a slightly more simplified version and share it with other users, what do you think is the best way to do that? I mean, if it were added to the wiki, what would it be called so people could find it? |
| 20:32 | I don't have the terminology for what I'm looking for and/or trying to do. | |
| 20:32 | jcamins | caser: "a gentle introduction to the Koha database structure"? |
| 20:33 | * chris_n | hands rangi a fire extinguisher and a second cup of coffee |
| 20:33 | caser | oleonard :) lovely. Thanks for your help. |
| 20:37 | * oleonard | points out to all how fun it would be to sign off on Bug 6933 |
| 20:37 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6933 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Add a view of titles with a particular tag to the staff client |
| 20:38 | cait | hehe |
| 20:38 | it looks like fun | |
| 20:44 | rangi | oh that is a good one |
| 20:44 | maybe Sylence can look at that next :) | |
| 20:45 | http://computerworld.co.nz/new[…]r-school-students | |
| 20:46 | look for some patches in january :) | |
| 20:46 | oleonard | catalyst++ |
| 20:46 | cait | catalyst++ :) |
| 20:52 | * oleonard | wonders if jwagner PMs anyone who mentions Liblime Koha to talk it up |
| 20:52 | cait | ?? |
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| 20:53 | oleonard | cait: I wonder if jwagner sends a private message to folks who look like prospective Liblime Koha users |
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| 20:54 | jcamins | oleonard: not when she's not around, I imagine. |
| 20:54 | ;) | |
| 20:57 | oleonard: how do I select the Holdings tab on the OPAC? | |
| 20:57 | I thought it was li[contains:Holdings] but that didn't work at all. | |
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| 20:57 | oleonard | In order to do what jcamins ? |
| 20:57 | jcamins | :contains('Holdings') |
| 20:57 | Hide it. | |
| 20:58 | oleonard | $("li:contains('Holdings')").hide(); works for me |
| 20:58 | jcamins | oleonard: yeah, I was using square brackets. |
| 20:58 | One shouldn't use square brackets. | |
| 20:59 | Hm, but that doesn't make it select the Title Notes box automatically. | |
| 20:59 | Any idea how to make that be the one that's selected automatically? | |
| 21:00 | * oleonard | has to look that one up every time |
| 21:01 | jcamins | Is it on the wiki and I'm missing it? |
| 21:02 | oleonard | $('#bibliodescriptions > ul').tabs('select', 1); |
| 21:02 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 21:02 | oleonard | when we update to jqueryUI the syntax will change (and it will be easier to find documentation on how to do that) |
| 21:04 | cait | :) |
| 21:04 | jcamins | Well, darn |
| 21:04 | Putting that in document.ready does not work. | |
| 21:05 | Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'select' of undefined | |
| 21:05 | Running it from the console works fine. | |
| 21:11 | oleonard | jcamins: Probably has to do with when it's getting called in relation to the main call to the tabs() function |
| 21:11 | Not sure what to suggest, though, and I've got to run. | |
| 21:11 | * jcamins | finds a previous message from you explaining how to do it. |
| 21:11 | jcamins | oleonard++ |
| 21:11 | oleonard | my_previous_self++ |
| 21:11 | my present self not so much ;) | |
| 21:11 | Bye all | |
| 21:12 | jcamins | Bye. |
| 21:15 | Time for me to head to the library and find something to read. | |
| 21:15 | Good night, #koha. | |
| 21:18 | maximep | am i the only one that works on koha, but don't remember the last time he went to a library? |
| 21:19 | it's different i guess when you work on a lot of other stuff | |
| 21:20 | cait | hm |
| 21:20 | rangi | i havent taken a book out a library in years |
| 21:20 | ive been there | |
| 21:20 | cait | I remember :) but I think I have no valid library card right now |
| 21:21 | rangi | our local libary uses an ILS i find very hard to use |
| 21:21 | but thats not the main reason | |
| 21:21 | its just usually not got anything that i want on the shelf and it charges for reserves | |
| 21:22 | equinox++ | |
| 21:23 | cait | hm? |
| 21:23 | rangi | message to the mailing list |
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| 21:32 | maximep | haha good to know |
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| 22:10 | magnus_afk | g'night #koha |
| 22:25 | rangi | and europe has gone |
| 22:25 | edveal | Can anyone give me some insight on if OpacHiddenItems is working or not? |
| 22:25 | rangi | there is a patch to fix it |
| 22:25 | that needs testing | |
| 22:25 | but i know some people are using it | |
| 22:26 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6488 | |
| 22:26 | huginn` | 04Bug 6488: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , opachiddenitems not working in master |
| 22:26 | rangi | ohh signed off even |
| 22:26 | edveal | Do you know what the syntax is to use it if it were to work? |
| 22:26 | rangi | try reading the bug |
| 22:26 | * rangi | has never used it |
| 22:27 | rangi | but yeah it appears you need that applied, its awaiting qa so should be in master soon, and 3.6 sometime after |
| 22:42 | maximep | used it today |
| 22:42 | heh, too late | |
| 22:42 | sekjal | maximep: do used opachiddenitems successfully today? |
| 22:42 | s/do used/you used/ | |
| 22:43 | maximep | it worked in the detail page |
| 22:43 | but still showed everything in the search | |
| 22:43 | sekjal | ah, okay |
| 22:43 | that helps me understand better | |
| 22:43 | maximep | ah, just saw that the patch adds a \n |
| 22:43 | sekjal | I'm hearing conflicting reports about it being broken and not broken at the same time |
| 22:43 | maximep | right now u need a line break at the end or else it fails |
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| 22:44 | sekjal | perhaps folks are looking at different areas of the system when they report this to me |
| 22:49 | wizzyrea | oh! I wonder if that's why sometimes it doesn't work |
| 22:49 | the newline at the end of the line | |
| 22:49 | thing | |
| 22:49 | and hi :P | |
| 22:49 | sekjal | hi, wizzyrea |
| 22:51 | maximep | if a newline is missing there's a log in the error log |
| 22:51 | so easy to check | |
| 22:51 | * wizzyrea | is pretty sure I never put in the YAML with a newline at the end. |
| 22:52 | wizzyrea | will have to check it tomorrow. |
| 22:52 | or maybe tonight, who knows. | |
| 22:52 | maximep | yay, finished my day of work =) |
| 22:52 | cya | |
| 22:52 | wizzyrea | later :) |
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| 23:11 | Brooke | kia ora |
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| 23:32 | Judit | good morning |
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| 23:57 | rangi | hi Judit |
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