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| 00:01 | rhcl_away left #koha | |
| 00:05 | rangi | melia: about? |
| 00:05 | melia | yes |
| 00:05 | hi rangi | |
| 00:06 | rangi | for 4530 did you do git bz? |
| 00:06 | melia | yes |
| 00:06 | bg did it with me | |
| 00:06 | rangi | and then you tried a git am -iu3 eh? |
| 00:06 | melia | no |
| 00:06 | rangi | ahh git bz will not try to do a merge |
| 00:06 | it will just bail out | |
| 00:07 | lemme try it and see if a merge works | |
| 00:07 | if so ill get you to try again :) | |
| 00:07 | melia | ok |
| 00:08 | rangi | git bz is nice so it does this |
| 00:08 | Patch left in /tmp/patch-wm2dFB.patch | |
| 00:08 | and then I can go | |
| 00:08 | rorohiko:[git/4530|am-]:~/git/catalyst-koha% git am --abort | |
| 00:08 | rorohiko:[git/4530-]:~/git/catalyst-koha% git am -iu3 /tmp/patch-wm2dFB.patch | |
| 00:09 | which tries a merge and tells me | |
| 00:09 | CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in C4/Members.pm | |
| 00:09 | melia | so still doesn't work? |
| 00:09 | rangi | nope |
| 00:09 | but now we know why | |
| 00:09 | ill update the bug | |
| 00:09 | melia | thank you :) |
| 00:09 | rangi | often that will work though, so its worth trying |
| 00:10 | melia | ok. I'll add it to my instructions. if git bz apply doesn't work, then try git am -iu3 |
| 00:10 | rangi | sweet :) |
| 00:10 | yeah even if it doesnt, it gives nicer info about why not | |
| 00:10 | melia | ok. thanks! |
| 00:11 | rangi | no worries |
| 00:19 | bag | rangi++ #thanks for the extra help :) |
| 00:23 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7326] longoverdue.pl hardcoded to 1 year max <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7326> |
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| 00:36 | smita | Hello from Fiji where I am setting up koha in the first public library. I am stuck , can\t change the quantity in aquistion, it is coming up with error. Please help |
| 00:36 | eythian | smita: what's the error? |
| 00:36 | smita | It is stuck on 1 and will not allow me to change the quantity |
| 00:37 | rangi | click on the plus sign up a bit, under the item info |
| 00:37 | it will make you another item and increase the quantity | |
| 00:37 | smita | I will try |
| 00:37 | rangi | you cant ever change the quantity ordered by entering in that box |
| 00:39 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.6.x build #14: STILL UNSTABLE in 42 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.6.x/14/ |
| 00:39 | * mtj: Bug 6908 - increase DEBUG level for *NOISY* Dates.pm init() messages | |
| 00:39 | * adrien.saurat: Bug 6893 : Updates suggestions list when adding orders | |
| 00:39 | * paul.poulain: Adding Adrien Saurat as 161th committer. | |
| 00:39 | * chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for 3.06.02.000 06 Dec 2011 23:44:14 Z | |
| 00:39 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6908 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, mtj, ASSIGNED , increase DEBUG level for *NOISY* Dates.pm init() messages |
| 00:39 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6893 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, adrien.saurat, ASSIGNED , Order from suggestion does not remove suggestion from 'accepted' list | |
| 00:40 | smita | I am creating a order for a new item, can't see + sign anywhere |
| 00:43 | rangi | above the quantity |
| 00:46 | it will be a + or the word Add | |
| 00:49 | smita | found the + sign- it does needs to clearer please like everything else in koha, but still it does not allow me to save the order in the empty basket, it says done with error- no error message and the order is not saved |
| 00:54 | Cul | hello #koha |
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| 01:07 | Phlunk3 | is Smita's issue a bug or simply a problem with user error? Sorry smita I don't have a system to test with at the moment. |
| 01:08 | Cul | everyone's so busy talking about technical stuff, I feel like i'm intruding if I pop in to ask a noob question... |
| 01:09 | smita | well, i am a newbie - it does not come up with an error message just does not save the order into the basket- ans yes, i am totally a noob |
| 01:09 | Phlunk3 | Cul just ask :) people will help if they can |
| 01:11 | Cul | ok, on http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu... there's a code line that reads.. sudo dpkg --set-selections<install_misc/ubuntu.packages |
| 01:11 | that doesn't seem like a complete command to me.. am I wrong? | |
| 01:12 | smita | I have followed through and created the order only as a staff user not as a koha admin, it works correctly from test system |
| 01:12 | Cul | when I run it it brings up dpkg help topics |
| 01:12 | dpkg: unknown option --set-slections,install_misc/ubuntu.packages | |
| 01:13 | eythian | Cul: it is a correct command, but you're not copy-pasting and so doing it wrong |
| 01:13 | for example, there's no ',' in the command | |
| 01:13 | Cul | doh! der... I didn't shift when I hit the < |
| 01:14 | eythian | :) |
| 01:14 | it's always worth copy-pasting those commands, it's really easy to make a mistake | |
| 01:14 | Cul | so i see |
| 01:21 | so running install_misc/ubuntu-pkg-check.sh | grep none | |
| 01:21 | I see libidzebra-d.0-0 = (none) is that a problem? | |
| 01:27 | eythian | Hmm. Not sure. |
| 01:27 | it might be | |
| 01:27 | try installing it to be sure | |
| 01:27 | (I'm not sure if it exists in Ubuntu though) | |
| 01:28 | Cul | something like apt-get install libidzebra-d.0-0 ? |
| 01:31 | eythian | yeah |
| 01:31 | apt-cache search libidzebra may be useful to if that doesn't work | |
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| 01:35 | smita | Still struggling to save an order in a basket with no error message except that it will not save. Help please |
| 01:36 | Cul | man, that opened a can of worms.. now instead of one package missing.. i've got 9 |
| 01:36 | smita | I am in Nadi Public Library for this week implementing Koha at the first public library in the country |
| 01:37 | Cul | sounds awesome smita |
| 01:41 | smita | yes it is , at cost of being here in the middle of summer, just terrible sweltering heat. Now about my aquisition qs pls. Has halted my acq training pls. |
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| 01:42 | eythian | smita: what version, what happens, what unusal things appear, what else can you tell us? |
| 01:43 | smita | 3.06 |
| 01:45 | indradg | rangi, ping |
| 01:45 | smita | just create a new vendor, added a new basket, try adding a order , add all details press the save button, it will not save the order in the basket, does not give any error msg |
| 01:46 | says done with errors and does not save the order to the basket. I am logging as staff with all privileges and not as koha admin | |
| 01:49 | eythian | indradg: rangi isn't here |
| 01:50 | indradg | eythian, ok... i'm stuck with a zebra error |
| 01:50 | eythian | smita: not really sure I'm afraid. Hopefully someone with acq knowledge will be along soon. |
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| 01:57 | Cul | mysqladmin -uroot -p create kohadata |
| 01:57 | when this prompts for password is it the password in the koha-conf.xml file? | |
| 01:58 | eythian | no, it's the root password of your mysql |
| 02:02 | Cul | GRANT ALL ON kohadata.* TO 'root'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'password'; |
| 02:02 | item inside single quotes are what I decide them to be? or does it have to match something as well | |
| 02:03 | eythian | that's weird. |
| 02:03 | I don't think it should be root | |
| 02:03 | it should be the name of the user in your koha-conf.xml, and the password should match that too | |
| 02:04 | Cul | hey, maybe that's why it didn't work the first four times I tried to install :D :D |
| 02:04 | maybe we're on to something | |
| 02:04 | * Cul | so exciting!! |
| 02:05 | eythian | :) |
| 02:05 | Cul | I thought I had completely bungled my sql and everything |
| 02:06 | so info from koha-conf.xml in there... is that your final answer eythian? | |
| 02:06 | eythian | yeah. you can set them to what you need, so long as they username and password match |
| 02:08 | Cul | crap.. where is that file... /etc/koha.... somethingorother... |
| 02:09 | eythian | depends how you installed |
| 02:09 | and where you installed to | |
| 02:09 | Cul | hehe, I got it.. |
| 02:10 | i'm starting to feel like less of a dummy than the last 4 times... it's empowering... | |
| 02:11 | eythian | heh |
| 02:12 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 15 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) |
| 02:14 | Cul | GRANT ALL ON kohadata.* TO 'koha'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'password'; |
| 02:14 | so then this one is koha from mysql db and db passwd? | |
| 02:14 | from the install instructions that is.. | |
| 02:15 | eythian | yeah, should be right |
| 02:15 | Cul | hmmm, I think I remember the password |
| 02:15 | eythian | it'll be in the file |
| 02:15 | Cul | the same xml file? |
| 02:15 | eythian | yeah |
| 02:17 | Cul | I see zebra and biblioserver... or was it the same I just entered for the other? |
| 02:17 | eythian | the database |
| 02:17 | wahanui | i guess the database is gone now :( |
| 02:17 | eythian | it's right down near the bottom |
| 02:18 | Cul | yeah, in the <config> section.. right? |
| 02:19 | eythian | yeah |
| 02:20 | Cul | so if I understand this... the walkthrough here wants me to grant privvys to sql user and root then... otherwise the next command would be identical to the first |
| 02:21 | if what you said about shouldn't be root.. should be mysql user is the case | |
| 02:22 | eythian | there's no point granting privs to root |
| 02:22 | it already has them | |
| 02:22 | but you do need to grant them to the db user that koha will be using | |
| 02:22 | Cul | or should the rootlocalhost be my normal login and computer name |
| 02:22 | that's what I thought | |
| 02:22 | eythian | no |
| 02:23 | mysql users have nothing to do with computer users | |
| 02:24 | Cul | so these two commands are redundant then? |
| 02:24 | > GRANT ALL ON kohadata.* TO 'root'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'password'; | |
| 02:24 | > GRANT ALL ON kohadata.* TO 'koha'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'password'; | |
| 02:24 | eythian | you need the second one, but the last one is pointless I think |
| 02:24 | err | |
| 02:24 | the first one is pointless | |
| 02:24 | Cul | because i'm subbing the same data from the <config> section of the xml file |
| 02:25 | eythian | yeah |
| 02:25 | so you do it once, with that information in there | |
| 02:25 | Cul | ok, just making sure.. I'm really excited about this working this time.... |
| 02:25 | * Cul | 5th times a charm |
| 02:26 | eythian | I would have just used the packages ;) |
| 02:30 | Cul | I tried this method first and apparently the 'this password' here part got me.. then I went with the packages and got the same results.. now I'm so close I can smell it ... i think... |
| 02:31 | eythian | the packages do the passwords for you |
| 02:32 | Cul | then i might have had remnants of the previous failed install lingering |
| 02:32 | eythian | that can happen |
| 02:35 | Cul | oooh, single or standard... I'm at home and don't have a static ip and I'm doing this for work so I won't be able to reliably host without leaving home with my ip every morning. this system isn't portable at all is it? |
| 02:36 | eythian | not really, it's a server application and they tend to like servers. |
| 02:36 | I'd set up a dyndns service | |
| 02:38 | Cul | that aside.. if i'm just testing the app for board approval should I select single and plan on reinstalling to the final hosting server...? |
| 02:38 | I can transfer the db's right? | |
| 02:39 | and import them on a new install | |
| 02:39 | eythian | what do you mean by 'single'? |
| 02:40 | Cul | I'm at the install koha portion of the instructions.. it offers std, single and dev for install options |
| 02:40 | eythian | Oh. I dunno, probably standard. It won't matter a whole lot. |
| 02:40 | (/me hasn't done an install like that for a very long time) | |
| 02:45 | Cul | what's the approx size of this app with empty databases? |
| 02:45 | eythian | I dunno. 50-100MB or so maybe, much of which is translations. |
| 02:46 | Cul | that's suprisingly small |
| 02:47 | eythian | it's a Linux application, they don't tend to be huge. |
| 02:48 | Cul | that's what I'm learning.. I spent about a month trying to get NewGenLib working on a windows machine and finally made the leap to linux.. I'm very happy so far |
| 02:48 | eythian | awesome :) |
| 02:49 | Cul | ok, it said make sure you run make install as root.. sudo is appropriate, yes? |
| 02:50 | eythian | yeah |
| 02:53 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.6.x build #15: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.6.x/15/ |
| 02:53 | oleonard: Fix for Bug 5974 - Bogus auth check for "StaffMember" role | |
| 02:53 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5974 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Bogus auth check for "StaffMember" role |
| 02:53 | Cul | so really, how many of the names on here are bot? |
| 02:56 | hmmm... everything was going so well: | |
| 02:56 | waiting ..apache2: Syntax error on line 236 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 5 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mylibrary: Could not open configuration file /etc/koha/apache-shared.conf: No such file or directory | |
| 02:56 | [fail] | |
| 02:57 | is that a bad apache install? | |
| 02:57 | eythian | well, it's a bad apache configuration |
| 02:57 | hmm | |
| 02:57 | that's a leftover from the packages | |
| 02:58 | if you've removed the packages, you should remove /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mylibrary | |
| 03:00 | Cul | so since I didn't, I probably can't just take it out now and have everything be fine can I? |
| 03:01 | eythian | you didn't which? |
| 03:01 | Cul | remove sites-enabled/mylibrary when i remove previous pkgs |
| 03:02 | eythian | it won't happen automatically. Do it now and restart apache, and it'll be happier with it. |
| 03:02 | Cul | <--- didn't |
| 03:02 | ok | |
| 03:04 | can you help me out with the proper command? | |
| 03:04 | eythian | which proper command? |
| 03:04 | Cul | to delet mylibrary |
| 03:05 | eythian | sudo rm /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/mylibrary |
| 03:06 | Cul | very nice, thank you |
| 03:06 | remember.. I come from window.. you don't need to know the command line to press the delete key :) | |
| 03:07 | eythian | yeah, you can do that in Linux too, but you can't copy and paste a gui command. |
| 03:09 | * Cul | drumroll |
| 03:10 | Cul | the moment of truth |
| 03:10 | dang | |
| 03:10 | something's still up with the passwords I think... | |
| 03:11 | Access denied for user 'kohaadmin'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 693. | |
| 03:14 | well, thank you so much for all your help.. I'm gonna call it a night and try and figure this out tomorrow. I'm sure that it's all somewhere between mysql and koha because the install went without a hitch this time.. | |
| 03:15 | take care of yourself and we'll see you later. | |
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| 03:23 | cait | hi #koha |
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| 03:35 | AmitG | heya bag |
| 03:35 | bag | heya AmitG :D |
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| 04:14 | Brooke | o/ |
| 04:15 | cait | hi Brooke |
| 04:15 | Brooke | :) |
| 04:32 | bag | heya Brooke |
| 04:32 | heya cait | |
| 04:32 | Brooke | yo |
| 04:33 | what's up on the West Siiiiide? | |
| 04:33 | bag | so cait it's early morning for you right? |
| 04:33 | hmmm… just thinking about life Brooke | |
| 04:34 | and I've got the big bang theory on in the back ground | |
| 04:34 | cait | hi bg |
| 04:34 | yes | |
| 04:34 | went to bed early, woke up a bit earlier than usual | |
| 04:34 | and big bang theory is great :) | |
| 04:34 | bag | like 5:30am early? |
| 04:34 | Brooke | big_bang_theory++ |
| 04:35 | bag | what's up on the east side? |
| 04:36 | Brooke | they mostly roll up the streets here after 10pm |
| 04:36 | that is prolly the only thing cool about Mumbai | |
| 04:36 | bag | they are always awake |
| 04:37 | Brooke | yep |
| 04:41 | http://www.thenation.com/artic[…]library?page=full | |
| 04:46 | cait | hm 5:45 now yes |
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| 05:41 | Brooke | o/ |
| 05:42 | I see we get mild mannered Clark Kent in the stead of Super Snail. | |
| 05:47 | Oíche mhaith | |
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| 05:47 | Oak | Good Morning miss cait :-) |
| 05:48 | kia ora #koha :) | |
| 05:48 | cait | morning mr Oak :) |
| 05:48 | Oak | Tenā Koe rangi- |
| 05:49 | :) spent two days at my sister's place | |
| 05:49 | :) no Internet there | |
| 05:57 | cait | oh |
| 05:57 | hard! | |
| 06:01 | AmitG | heya cait, Oak :D |
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| 06:39 | kmkale | Namaskaar #koha |
| 07:16 | alex_a | morning all |
| 07:17 | Oak | Bonjour Monsieur alex_a |
| 07:17 | belle journée | |
| 07:24 | alex_a | Oak: bonjour :) |
| 07:24 | Oak | :) |
| 07:26 | cait | hi alex_a |
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| 07:43 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:44 | wahanui | niihau, reiveune |
| 07:44 | alex_a | hi cait :) |
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| 08:05 | julian_m | hi |
| 08:05 | wahanui | privet, julian_m |
| 08:05 | julian_m | hi wahanui |
| 08:05 | wahanui | hello, julian_m |
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| 08:07 | AmitG | heya julian_m, wahanui |
| 08:07 | wahanui | Good luck getting ten words out of this one... |
| 08:07 | asaurat | hi! |
| 08:07 | julian_m | hello AmitG |
| 08:08 | francharb | hello #koha |
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| 08:13 | kf | hi again #koha |
| 08:15 | Oak | welcome back kf :) |
| 08:16 | kf | :) |
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| 08:21 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7328] Expanded options in advanced search <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7328> |
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| 08:47 | kf | @later tell paul_p I am worried about the version numbers in updatedatabase - can you check? I think we should be using 3.07... but last update was 3.6.2! |
| 08:47 | huginn` | kf: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:00 | kmkale | @quote random |
| 09:00 | huginn` | kmkale: Quote #168: "gmcharlt: #koha is ALL the time" (added by chris_n at 09:01 PM, December 01, 2011) |
| 09:00 | kmkale | @quote random |
| 09:00 | huginn` | kmkale: Quote #52: "<wizzyrea> Ahh, it's like putting on your slippers" (added by gmcharlt at 08:50 PM, January 28, 2010) |
| 09:01 | kf | @quote random |
| 09:01 | huginn` | kf: Quote #162: "oleonard: I think DRM is inherently incompatible with any lending system which will be friendly to patrons." (added by wizzyrea at 04:03 PM, October 28, 2011) |
| 09:05 | kmkale | :( even the quotes are not funny today |
| 09:06 | * kf | nods |
| 09:06 | kf | @quote random |
| 09:06 | huginn` | kf: Quote #132: "<oleonard> nengard: It depends what time zone Jesus uses I think" (added by druthb at 02:07 PM, May 20, 2011) |
| 09:06 | kmkale | :) |
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| 09:46 | Oak | class time |
| 09:46 | later | |
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| 10:03 | kmkale | @quote random |
| 10:03 | huginn` | kmkale: Quote #157: "wizzyrea: bbiaf -> I know that means be back in a few but my brain told me that meant be back in a fire oleonard: similar to the common ctaof, for Can't talk, am on fire" (added by wizzyrea at 04:38 PM, September 23, 2011) |
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| 11:15 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7329] The "undo import into catalog" command deletes items onloan without checking <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7329> |
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| 11:23 | kf | paul_p: hi paul |
| 11:25 | chris_n | kf: kohaversion is 3.06.02.001 rather than 3.6.2 |
| 11:25 | kf | hm? |
| 11:25 | chris_n | see the comments in kohaversion.pl for the reasoning behind that |
| 11:26 | kf | oh |
| 11:26 | chris_n | there is disparity between what we do and what we say in the comments |
| 11:26 | kf | ah |
| 11:26 | that was not my question | |
| 11:26 | chris_n | or have been doing at least |
| 11:26 | kf | there is a 3.06.02 in master |
| 11:26 | chris_n | ? |
| 11:26 | where | |
| 11:26 | kf | and I thought it shoudl be 3.7 |
| 11:26 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a0dfc5f8f;hb=HEAD | |
| 11:26 | and that made me worry | |
| 11:27 | because the will collide? | |
| 11:27 | I think | |
| 11:27 | chris_n | well, no need for 3.7 if you use the nominclature 3.6.2.x |
| 11:27 | kf | now I am very confused |
| 11:27 | I know my master system is pretending to be 3.6.2 - and that worries me | |
| 11:28 | and I think we used the uneven numbers for database updates on master before | |
| 11:28 | so I was asking about it | |
| 11:29 | chris_n | either way, there will be no collisions since the "development" segment of the ver number is being incremented :) |
| 11:41 | kf | ok |
| 11:41 | we only have to avoid the same number doing different things then | |
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| 13:22 | oleonard | What's up, Squash Squad? |
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| 14:07 | talljoy | @wunder 76101 |
| 14:07 | huginn` | talljoy: The current temperature in HADS WEST FORK TRINITY RIVER AT FORT TX US, Fort Worth, Texas is -3.9°C (7:15 AM CST on December 07, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027.0 hPa. |
| 14:07 | oleonard | Wow, cold! |
| 14:07 | @wunder 45701 | |
| 14:07 | huginn` | oleonard: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 5.0°C (9:00 AM EST on December 07, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Rising). |
| 14:08 | talljoy | Texas shouldn't be this cold. it's not right. |
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| 14:09 | JesseM | @wunder 06614 |
| 14:09 | huginn` | JesseM: The current temperature in Brewer Stratford Marina, Stratford, Connecticut is 13.2°C (9:09 AM EST on December 07, 2011). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Rising). |
| 14:09 | talljoy | watch out JesseM, this TX weather is headed your way. |
| 14:09 | JesseM | supposed to snow in CT tomorrow!! |
| 14:10 | can't wait | |
| 14:10 | :) | |
| 14:16 | oleonard | I wonder if those who cannot set permissions in the staff client should be able to *view* permissions instead. |
| 14:19 | YesMan | Wow oleonard that's a great idea! |
| 14:19 | talljoy | heh |
| 14:19 | BoredDev | Hey, I think I'll code that for you! |
| 14:19 | oleonard | Thanks guys, you're great! |
| 14:25 | As a sanity check, can anyone else confirm Bug 7330? | |
| 14:25 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7330 minor, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , System preferences editor generates errors in the log with each search |
| 14:31 | jwagner | oleonard, I see the same thing |
| 14:31 | talljoy | I don't see it. |
| 14:32 | oleonard | Hm, so perhaps a quirk of a long-updated database? |
| 14:32 | jwagner | One search in sysprefs generates 8 similar entries |
| 14:32 | oleonard | Thanks for checking |
| 14:32 | jwagner | Use of uninitialized value $text in pattern match (m//) at /home/k32/kohaclone/admin/preferences.pl line 252., referer: http://k32-staff.jw.ptfsinc.co[…]in/preferences.pl |
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| 14:36 | oleonard | Hi sekjal, I have a question about your comments on Bug 7259 |
| 14:36 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7259 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Show a count of items pending approval on staff client home and tools pages |
| 14:36 | sekjal | hey, oleonard |
| 14:36 | wahanui | oleonard is the master UI designer of koha or an awesome bug wrangler |
| 14:37 | oleonard | Is there a preferred way of setting a default value for a subroutine? |
| 14:37 | * oleonard | knows the PHP way but not the Perl way |
| 14:37 | sekjal | lots of different ways to do it, not sure if any is better than another |
| 14:38 | * oleonard | didn't know if there was a shortcut, or if it just means checking for an empty value |
| 14:38 | sekjal | you may be able to do ($status) = @_ || (1); |
| 14:44 | oleonard | That seems to set 1 no matter what |
| 14:45 | sekjal | boo |
| 14:46 | alternative: write the documentation on the subroutine, and explicitly define the status input param | |
| 14:46 | as required | |
| 14:46 | oleonard | my ($param) = @_; |
| 14:46 | my $status = ($param ? $param : 1); | |
| 14:47 | kf1 | qa_team++ |
| 14:47 | marcelr++ sekjal++ :) | |
| 14:47 | oleonard | No, that won't let you pass 0 |
| 14:47 | sekjal | checked defined $param instead? |
| 14:50 | oleonard | sekjal++ |
| 14:50 | And of course you're right that documentation would be good too | |
| 14:53 | sekjal | that whole module isn't really documented much at all... |
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| 14:57 | Oak | kia ora #koha |
| 14:58 | * Oak | goes to annoy someone |
| 15:06 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_6971' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3b97eba3cb76b3242> / Test suite: ignoring backups from vi (files ending with a ~) <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c6eb3032ec72d9ae2> / history.txt, adding Stéphane Delaune, as 117, moving others and welcome Albert, you... <http:// |
| 15:06 | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7259] Show a count of items pending approval on staff client home and tools pages <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7259> | |
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| 15:12 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 556 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 19 j ago) |
| 15:16 | sekjal | oleonard++ |
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| 15:42 | jcamins_away | oleonard: (unshift @_) || 'default'? |
| 15:42 | * oleonard | doesn't actually know what unshift @_ does |
| 15:42 | kf1 | hm |
| 15:42 | deletes first or last entry I think | |
| 15:43 | jcamins | oleonard: I *think* it pulls the left-most item from an array. |
| 15:43 | kf1 | http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/unshift.html |
| 15:43 | jcamins | It is completely possible that I actually meant pop @_. |
| 15:43 | oleonard | I've see unshift used in that context jcamins |
| 15:43 | jcamins | Or that I made it up entirely. |
| 15:43 | kf1 | adds one actually it seems |
| 15:44 | jcamins | Whoops, in that case I meant shift. |
| 15:44 | kf1 | Shifts the first value of the array off and returns it, |
| 15:44 | shift | |
| 15:44 | http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/shift.html | |
| 15:44 | * chris_n | wonders if there are multiple kf's now :-) |
| 15:44 | jcamins | kf1 is the official explicator of Perl syntax. |
| 15:44 | kf1 | hm? |
| 15:44 | jcamins | kf1? |
| 15:44 | wahanui | i guess kf1 is the official explicator of Perl syntax. |
| 15:45 | kf1 | lol |
| 15:45 | kf | no idea :) |
| 15:45 | chris_n | unshift and shift work off of the to of the array |
| 15:45 | jcamins | Boy. SLA really wants me to renew. |
| 15:45 | chris_n | pop/push work off of the bottom |
| 15:46 | s/to/top/ | |
| 15:46 | or perhaps we should say "list context" since "array" seems to be out of vogue in some perl books, etc. | |
| 15:48 | jcamins | chris_n: bah! Context refers to which memory page one is on, not syntactic sugar. :P |
| 15:48 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5327' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]eeaed6e4554b38565> / t/UploadedFile, updated comment <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]026453cecebe08c71> / Bug 5327: Fixing the Members.t test <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a74b4698e88781381 |
| 15:49 | kf | chris_n: multiple kf's would be scary :) |
| 15:49 | jcamins | Scary *awesome*! |
| 15:49 | * chris_n | was thinking we might get more good work done with multiples of kf :) |
| 15:49 | oleonard | ^^ |
| 15:49 | kf | oh |
| 15:50 | * chris_n | goes back to scaring bugs out of his auto-cherry-pick script |
| 15:50 | kf | good plan! |
| 16:00 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7330] System preferences editor generates errors in the log with each search <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7330> |
| 16:01 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #556: STILL UNSTABLE in 49 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/556/ |
| 16:01 | * ago: Bug 6971: XSLT Opac Detail displays 245 subfields out of order. | |
| 16:01 | * jcamins: Bug 6971: XSLT Intranet Detail displays 245 subfields out of order | |
| 16:01 | * paul.poulain: history.txt, adding Stéphane Delaune, as 117, moving others and welcome Albert, you're 163th ! | |
| 16:01 | * paul.poulain: Test suite: ignoring backups from vi (files ending with a ~) | |
| 16:01 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6971 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ago, ASSIGNED , XSLT Opac Detail displays 245 subfields out of order |
| 16:02 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 557 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 19 j ago) |
| 16:03 | jcamins | Am I now going to get complaints from Jenkins because of that patch? |
| 16:06 | reiveune1 | bye |
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| 16:10 | kf | jcamins: did you break tests? |
| 16:10 | wizzyrea | good morning |
| 16:10 | oleonard | Hi wizzyrea |
| 16:15 | kf | hi wizzyrea |
| 16:15 | :) | |
| 16:15 | wizzyrea | hello! |
| 16:15 | and how goes the bug squashing | |
| 16:16 | jcamins | kf: no, I didn't. |
| 16:16 | kf: but whenever I get a patch in, jenkins whines at me, doesn't he? | |
| 16:16 | kf | no :) |
| 16:16 | only when tests are broken | |
| 16:16 | at the time | |
| 16:16 | your patch gets in | |
| 16:17 | and only for 3.6 right now | |
| 16:17 | jcamins | kf: but didn't rangi say he was enabling it on Master? |
| 16:17 | I'm sure Master's broken. | |
| 16:18 | * wizzyrea | is ok getting whines |
| 16:18 | wizzyrea | it's motivating. |
| 16:18 | :P | |
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| 16:20 | kf | jcamins: not sure he already did |
| 16:20 | ask him :) | |
| 16:21 | oleonard | What the heck is bug 2714 about? |
| 16:21 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2714 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , bib response service should provide URL recipe |
| 16:22 | jcamins | Bib response services and URL recipes. |
| 16:22 | oleonard | :P |
| 16:22 | jcamins | Do I have to spread it out for you in a nutshell? ;) |
| 16:23 | * jcamins | thinks it could probably be closed. |
| 16:23 | * oleonard | is sure the submitter is going to get right on it any time now |
| 16:23 | gmcharlt | *snort* |
| 16:24 | jcamins | oleonard: you betcha. |
| 16:26 | * jcamins | tries to think of the term that describes the overly ornate typefaces of the late nineteenth century. |
| 16:28 | chris_n | heya gmcharlt |
| 16:28 | wahanui | it has been said that gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology. |
| 16:29 | jcamins | wahanui: correctly said, at that. |
| 16:29 | wahanui | jcamins: what? |
| 16:30 | jcamins | Teachable moment! "Don't customize your templates." |
| 16:31 | wizzyrea | batch receiving transfers - possible? |
| 16:31 | (I didn't think so but... koha's a moving target ;)) | |
| 16:32 | * chris_n | thinks "template" is a bit of a misnomer in this context |
| 16:32 | chris_n | people seem to confuse "template" with "skin" |
| 16:33 | jcamins | wizzyrea: not to my knowledge, but, maybe? |
| 16:33 | wizzyrea | lol I see that you have the same doubt that I do |
| 16:33 | I'm going to go with "no" | |
| 16:33 | (but that would be neat) | |
| 16:34 | * jcamins | doesn't generally worry about transfers. Or circ, for that matter. |
| 16:34 | * wizzyrea | snorts |
| 16:34 | doesn't generally worry about cataloging. so there's that. | |
| 16:34 | wizzyrea | ;) |
| 16:35 | jcamins | wizzyrea: your loss. |
| 16:35 | oleonard | How would batch receiving transfers work wizzyrea ? |
| 16:35 | wizzyrea | jcamins: naw, yours ;) |
| 16:35 | like the labels interface? scan a bunch of barcodes and it receives them all to the library? | |
| 16:35 | but of course there's holds and nonsense. | |
| 16:36 | that you ahve to deal with one by one | |
| 16:36 | oleonard | And you'd want that because it's faster? |
| 16:36 | wizzyrea | I don't think I'm going to advocate for adding it. |
| 16:36 | Probably because "sirsi did it" | |
| 16:36 | or <pick your proprietary ILS> | |
| 16:37 | * wizzyrea | doesn't really care so much about it - batch operations often lead to batch error making. |
| 16:37 | jcamins | wizzyrea: but think of the time it saves! |
| 16:37 | wizzyrea | whee! |
| 16:38 | jcamins | wizzyrea: if I'm going to make 50 errors, I'd rather do it all at once. :P |
| 16:38 | wizzyrea | I"m able to screw things up at lightning speed! |
| 16:38 | * oleonard | is still wary of the batch edit tool for no particular reason |
| 16:38 | wizzyrea | I'm actually quite fond of the batch item edit tool |
| 16:38 | it's quite good. | |
| 16:39 | and batch delete. | |
| 16:39 | chris_n | wizzyrea: well... batch operations like "batch of cookies" seem to go smoothly most of the time ;-) |
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| 16:39 | * wizzyrea | remembers the time she made the curry cookies - and used curry powder that contained garlic |
| 16:39 | jcamins | chris_n: you mean someone eats all the dough before the oven has finished preheating? |
| 16:39 | wizzyrea | it was an experience! |
| 16:39 | chris_n | HA |
| 16:39 | * jcamins | has started adding garlic powder to the dough for his calzones. |
| 16:39 | wizzyrea | surprisingly enough, it wasn't awful. |
| 16:39 | chris_n | probably better for your heart at any rate |
| 16:40 | jcamins | It was a brilliant innovation. |
| 16:40 | wizzyrea | just, a bit odd to have a lovely oatmeal cookie with a hint of garlic |
| 16:40 | ooo garlic in pizza dough is good stuff. | |
| 16:40 | * jcamins | needs to roast some garlic. |
| 16:40 | jcamins | It's finally cool enough to have the oven on for a few hours. |
| 16:41 | chris_n | well, lest see if Jenkins is happier today |
| 16:42 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 16 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) |
| 16:43 | chris_n | garlic+olive oil+hot skillet = good eating |
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| 16:51 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7093] Placeholders for suggestion table in suggestion related mails broken <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7093> |
| 16:52 | Oak | kf, time to go home. no? |
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| 17:01 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #557: STILL UNSTABLE in 59 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/557/ |
| 17:01 | * paul.poulain: Revert "Fix for Bug 6291, Cart printing truncated in Firefox" | |
| 17:01 | * oleonard: Bug 6291 - Cart printing truncated in Firefox | |
| 17:01 | * maxime.pelletier: fix test xml records | |
| 17:01 | * chrish: Bug 5327: Unit tests for C4/Exteral/BakerTaylor.pm | |
| 17:01 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Adding more unit tests | |
| 17:01 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6291 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Cart printing truncated in Firefox |
| 17:01 | jenkins_koha | * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Complete coverage for BackgroundJob.pm |
| 17:01 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Fixing unit test for SQLHelper.pm | |
| 17:01 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327: Fixing the Members.t test | |
| 17:01 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules |
| 17:01 | jenkins_koha | * paul.poulain: t/UploadedFile, updated comment |
| 17:02 | Starting build 65 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #50 1 mo. 29 j ago) | |
| 17:08 | kf | Oak: you are right |
| 17:08 | or I am stuck here for the meeting | |
| 17:09 | Oak | :) |
| 17:09 | ugh, meetings | |
| 17:09 | where minutes are kept, and hours lost | |
| 17:09 | paul_p | i must come back home now. see you in 1 hours ! |
| 17:09 | Oak | it's some quote... :) |
| 17:09 | see ya paul_p | |
| 17:10 | kf | bye paul_p |
| 17:11 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_5604' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fecf5c6efda38a532> / Bug 5604 : Follow up for missing image <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2573879a61d9f1ed7> / Jenkins complaining = fixing number of tests <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]itdiff;h=e06f3ee0 |
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| 17:12 | rafa_saad | Hi all... Please, somebody can tell me if its possible to fill 082 field (Marc21) with data that cames from authorities? |
| 17:13 | I would like to fill 100a with author name and automatic fill 082 with classification data | |
| 17:14 | jcamins | rafa_saad: not using Koha. |
| 17:15 | rafa_saad | lol |
| 17:15 | jcamins | rafa_saad: you could conceivably write a script to do it, though I'm not clear how you could get DDC numbers out of author authority records. |
| 17:18 | rafa_saad | I'm thinking on in |
| 17:19 | 'cause if koha can fill 100d, 100e, etc, with data that cames from authorities, why it cannot fill other fields? | |
| 17:19 | jcamins | rafa_saad: because there isn't any other data that should logically come from authority records, I'd think. |
| 17:23 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5543] Date ISO format wrong separator <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5543> |
| 17:26 | Oak | me go now. night. |
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| 17:29 | Brooke | o/ |
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| 17:32 | Brooke | hey nate |
| 17:32 | NateC | Hi! |
| 17:33 | * jcamins | begins keening, as, he is sure, hundreds of other catalogers are doing throughought North America. |
| 17:33 | jcamins | OCLC just went kaflooey. |
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| 17:34 | Brooke | Clearly royt ran out of liquor. |
| 17:34 | Let this be a lesson: keep the treehouse stocked! | |
| 17:35 | might I suggest the Caoineadh Airt Uí Laoghaire? | |
| 17:38 | * jcamins | manages to connect. |
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| 17:40 | cait | back :) |
| 17:40 | Brooke | wb |
| 17:41 | trea | i'm running a longoverdue.pl and it's output is listed as "TEST MODE - NO ACTION TAKEN" - do i have to run it with a --confirm flag in order to make it actually apply those values? |
| 17:42 | jcamins | trea: I believe so. |
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| 17:44 | sekjal | trea: yes, --confirm flag is required to do that script "for reals" |
| 17:44 | cait | trea: sounds right |
| 17:45 | hi thd :) | |
| 17:45 | thd | hello cait |
| 17:46 | chris_n | and here comes 3.4.7 |
| 17:46 | thd | hurray |
| 17:46 | * wizzyrea | watches 3.4.7 slide into the world |
| 17:46 | jcamins | BTW, was anyone else confused by the suggestion that Koha needs LTS releases every six months? |
| 17:47 | Wouldn't that be the same as -STABLE? | |
| 17:47 | (i.e., no feature changes, just bug fixes?) | |
| 17:47 | chris_n | wizzyrea: sorta like ringing in the new year? |
| 17:47 | jcamins | chris_n: only better. |
| 17:48 | wizzyrea | I was really more imagining birth but ringing in the new year is less messy. |
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| 17:52 | jransom | morena |
| 17:52 | Brooke | morena |
| 17:52 | wizzyrea | mornin jo |
| 17:53 | oleonard++ kf++ i like all that you've done in acquisitions. | |
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| 17:53 | cait | wizzyrea: still needs a lot of love - thx for testing :) |
| 17:54 | wizzyrea | well it's feeling a bit more cared for these days :) |
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| 17:54 | wizzyrea | someone get the duct tape for jo |
| 17:54 | :D | |
| 17:55 | jransom | hello |
| 17:55 | wahanui | hey, jransom |
| 17:55 | jransom | yay |
| 17:55 | phew | |
| 17:55 | trea | the --charge param in longover.pl need the lost value yes? so if your authval for lost is 2, it should be --charge=2? |
| 17:56 | hi jransom | |
| 17:56 | longoverdue.pl rather | |
| 17:57 | cait | trea: sorry, never used that script :( |
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| 17:58 | jwagner | trea, I think that is correct |
| 17:58 | * Brooke | jiggles the cable for pasifika |
| 17:58 | slef | hi all |
| 17:58 | Brooke | howdy |
| 17:59 | trea | k thx |
| 17:59 | thd | Brooke: does jiggling cables help? :) |
| 17:59 | Brooke | if Irma and Jo don't disapparate, then yes. |
| 17:59 | jransom | learn me for trying to ge in here from home - downside of living at the beach (crap connectivity) |
| 18:00 | Irma | hi all |
| 18:00 | Brooke | #startmeeting |
| 18:00 | huginn` | Meeting started Wed Dec 7 18:00:09 2011 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 18:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | |
| 18:00 | Brooke | #topic Introductions |
| 18:00 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions | |
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| 18:00 | Brooke | Welcome, welcome, please introduce yourself using #info |
| 18:00 | wizzyrea | #info wizzyrea - Liz Rea - NEKLS |
| 18:00 | jcamins | #info jcamins - Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, LLC |
| 18:00 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 18:00 | jwagner | #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS |
| 18:00 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
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| 18:01 | drojf | #info mirko tietgen, humboldt-universität zu berlin, germany |
| 18:01 | Irma | #info Irma Birchall, CALYX |
| 18:01 | mtj2 | #info mason.james, nz |
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| 18:01 | chris_n | #info Chris Nighswonger, FBC |
| 18:01 | davidnind | #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand |
| 18:01 | indradg | #info Indranil Das Gupta, Kolkata, India |
| 18:02 | slef | #info MJ Ray, software.coop, Norfolk, England |
| 18:02 | jransom | joann ransom hlt NZ |
| 18:02 | dpavlin | #info Dobrica Pavlinusic, FFZG, Zagreb, Croatia |
| 18:02 | marijana | #info Marijana Glavica, Croatia |
| 18:02 | * slef | hands jransom an #info |
| 18:03 | joannR | (can't find hash key yet on my transgformer keyboard - so yeah, thanks0 |
| 18:03 | trea | #info Thatcher Rea, ByWater Solutions, USA |
| 18:03 | slef | joannR: copy-paste one? |
| 18:03 | (what's a transgformer?) | |
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| 18:04 | Brooke | Haere Mai let's get this show on the road |
| 18:04 | sekjal | #info Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions, Koha 3.8 QAM |
| 18:04 | jransom | asus android epad touchscreen thingee |
| 18:04 | wizzyrea | (fab tab) |
| 18:04 | slef | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…],_7_December_2011 |
| 18:04 | Brooke | #topic Announcements |
| 18:04 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements | |
| 18:05 | slef | jransom: nice. |
| 18:05 | * chris_n | grumbles about FF crashing |
| 18:05 | bag | #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions |
| 18:05 | Brooke | anyone have any earth shattering announcements? |
| 18:06 | chris_n | 3.4.7 is released |
| 18:06 | Brooke | hooray |
| 18:06 | chris_n | and in the wild |
| 18:06 | Brooke | #topic Roadmap to 3.4 |
| 18:06 | Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to 3.4 | |
| 18:06 | cait | chris_n++ |
| 18:06 | Brooke | chris_n++ indeed |
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| 18:07 | chris_n | #info 3.4.7 is released |
| 18:07 | the plan is to continue releases until applicable patches/commits slow to a trickle | |
| 18:07 | Brooke | anything else vaguely 3.4 related? |
| 18:08 | chris_n | that's all from me |
| 18:08 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.6.x build #16: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 h 26 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.6.x/16/ |
| 18:08 | * ago: Bug 6971: XSLT Opac Detail displays 245 subfields out of order. | |
| 18:08 | * jcamins: Bug 6971: XSLT Intranet Detail displays 245 subfields out of order | |
| 18:08 | * oleonard: Bug 6291 - Cart printing truncated in Firefox | |
| 18:08 | * paul.poulain: Test suite: ignoring backups from vi (files ending with a ~) | |
| 18:08 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6971 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, ago, ASSIGNED , XSLT Opac Detail displays 245 subfields out of order |
| 18:08 | jenkins_koha | * maxime.pelletier: fix test xml records |
| 18:08 | druthb1 | #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions (sorry for the late hit) |
| 18:08 | jenkins_koha | * paul.poulain: history.txt, adding Stéphane Delaune, as 117, moving others and welcome Albert, you're 163th ! |
| 18:08 | * chrish: Bug 5327: Unit tests for C4/Exteral/BakerTaylor.pm | |
| 18:08 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6291 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Cart printing truncated in Firefox |
| 18:08 | jenkins_koha | * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Adding more unit tests |
| 18:08 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Complete coverage for BackgroundJob.pm | |
| 18:08 | Brooke | awesome, if you do that for us, I don't think we'll complain. thanks a heap for the effort. :) |
| 18:08 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules |
| 18:08 | jenkins_koha | * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327 : Fixing unit test for SQLHelper.pm |
| 18:08 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 5327: Fixing the Members.t test | |
| 18:08 | * paul.poulain: 160th developer + 2 events added (NZ tm and 3.6.1 released) | |
| 18:08 | * paul.poulain: t/UploadedFile, updated comment | |
| 18:08 | * chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for 3.06.02.000 07 Dec 2011 16:41:07 Z | |
| 18:08 | Starting build 558 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #491 1 mo. 19 j ago) | |
| 18:08 | sekjal | thanks, jenkins_koha. quite timely |
| 18:08 | slef | jenkins_koha: mute |
| 18:08 | jenkins_koha | slef did you mean me? Unknown command 'mute' |
| 18:08 | Use '!jenkins help' to get help! | |
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| 18:08 | cait | heh |
| 18:09 | slef | jenkins_koha: shut up |
| 18:09 | jenkins_koha | slef did you mean me? Unknown command 'shut' |
| 18:09 | Brooke | #topic Roadmap to 3.6 |
| 18:09 | jenkins_koha | Use '!jenkins help' to get help! |
| 18:09 | Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to 3.6 | |
| 18:09 | chris_n | it appears jenkins wanted to say a few things 3.6 related :) |
| 18:09 | paul_p | #info Paul Poulain, BibLibre, RM for 3.8 |
| 18:09 | sorry to be a little bit late ! | |
| 18:09 | Brooke | no problem |
| 18:09 | chris_n | 3.6 is on target |
| 18:09 | * Brooke | was deathly afraid of getting caught in a motorcade. |
| 18:09 | chris_n | 3.6.2 will release on 22 Dec |
| 18:10 | paul_p | chris_n, pushed 1 hour ago 2 more patches that should please jenkins |
| 18:10 | build 558 should confirm that. | |
| 18:10 | chris_n | I have a script which is doing pretty much automated release notes each time I push to 3.6.x |
| 18:10 | wizzyrea | ^^ awesome |
| 18:10 | Brooke | he's cunning |
| 18:10 | chris_n | so that should keep all of you folks in the know about what's to be in the next release |
| 18:10 | cait | nice |
| 18:10 | wizzyrea | chris_n++ |
| 18:10 | mtj2 | yep, chris' script is just awesome |
| 18:10 | jcamins | chris_n++ |
| 18:10 | chris_n | paul_p: looks like we're still unstable :( |
| 18:11 | dpavlin | chris_n++ |
| 18:11 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
| 18:11 | paul_p | chris_n, I know, but there should be only 4 problems now. And only 2 in fact, as that's problems declared twice |
| 18:11 | chris_n | and that's it for 3.6 |
| 18:12 | Brooke | #topic Roadmap for 3.8 |
| 18:12 | Topic for #koha is now Roadmap for 3.8 | |
| 18:12 | Brooke | take it away Paul |
| 18:12 | paul_p | chris_n, could you explain again your strategy to decide what should be in 3.6 and what will stay for 3.8 |
| 18:12 | (before going to 3.8) | |
| 18:12 | I think it's clear for me, but maybe not for everybody | |
| 18:13 | chris_n | new features go in 3.8 |
| 18:13 | all else goes in 3.6 | |
| 18:13 | a feature is something currently non-existent in 3.6 | |
| 18:14 | sekjal | chris_n: would it be fair to say that anything that changes a workflow would be a considered a feature? |
| 18:14 | chris_n | the only real exception is things which are clearly too big to safely move back |
| 18:14 | paul_p | for everybody = it means that an improvement to an existing feature, even if it's ENH, will be applied to 3.6 |
| 18:14 | chris_n | sekjal: I would define that more as "significantly" changes workflow |
| 18:14 | I think very minor changes are probably acceptable | |
| 18:14 | paul_p | and I agree with that |
| 18:14 | chris_n | but some of this is open to discussion |
| 18:15 | sekjal | but, say, the changes to handling Lost items as laid out in bug 5533 would NOT be backported |
| 18:15 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5533 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , marking item lost diff in two places |
| 18:15 | chris_n | I think fine-days is the issue here |
| 18:15 | its critical as marked | |
| 18:15 | not enh | |
| 18:15 | paul_p | chris_n, (one of ) the issue is that it's a bug, not an ENH |
| 18:15 | thd | chris_n: Does that mean that complete code rewrites which do not introduce new features will be allowed in 3.6? |
| 18:15 | paul_p | even if fixing the problem means changing (a little bit) the workflow |
| 18:16 | chris_n | thd: for example? |
| 18:16 | cait | paul_p: the problem I see is the change for the debar handling |
| 18:16 | with dates and notes | |
| 18:17 | chris_n | thd: in reality they would not |
| 18:17 | cait | a short warning to libraries updating might be good at least |
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| 18:17 | cait | in the release notes |
| 18:17 | thd | chris_n: sorry, my question was meant with more humour than seriousness :) |
| 18:17 | paul_p | cait, right. and that's what we were/are supposed to do. |
| 18:17 | chris_n | :) |
| 18:17 | paul_p | chris_n, was it in 3.6.1 ? (I think no) |
| 18:17 | Brooke | thd Koha is srs buisnass ;) |
| 18:17 | chris_n | paul_p: it? |
| 18:18 | magnuse | #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 18:18 | paul_p | chris_n, finedays |
| 18:18 | chris_n | it does not apply cleanly atm |
| 18:18 | mib_9y99lh | Question - I have the system set up to send emails to patrons about everything, yet it never sends emails, the status is always "pending". Could there possibly be something I haven't clicked? I feel like I've checked every box known to man. |
| 18:18 | sekjal | a good plumbing-level-only change could be done without changing any outward appearance |
| 18:18 | paul_p | chris_n, on 3.6 ? really ? |
| 18:18 | sekjal | the followup for bug 5211 is a small example thereof |
| 18:18 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5211 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , marking lost (long overdue) not charging fines |
| 18:18 | chris_n | paul_p: I'll look |
| 18:19 | oleonard | Sorry mib_9y99lh, we are having a meeting at the moment |
| 18:19 | jcamins | mib_9y99lh: there is a meeting going on right now, so you may have more luck in an hour. |
| 18:19 | jwagner | mib_9y99lh, there is a meeting going on -- check to make sure the process_message_queue.pl cron job is running |
| 18:19 | chris_n | paul_p: whats the bug number? |
| 18:19 | mib_9y99lh | I didn't realize this was not the place to ask questions. My bad. |
| 18:19 | Brooke | it is just not right now ;) |
| 18:19 | paul_p | chris_n, 632_ |
| 18:19 | jcamins | mib_9y99lh: no, it is. You just came at a bad time. |
| 18:19 | jwagner | It's the place, just not the time |
| 18:19 | paul_p | chris_n, 6328 |
| 18:19 | cait | it is the place, but once a month there is a meeting |
| 18:20 | Brooke | if ye send it to the listserv, someone will pick it up most likely |
| 18:20 | cait | ok |
| 18:20 | chris_n | paul_p: its not in 3.6.x atm, and would not apply cleanly |
| 18:20 | cait | fines in days? |
| 18:20 | wahanui | i guess fines in days is debatable imho |
| 18:20 | chris_n | seems so wahanui |
| 18:21 | Brooke | rather than discuss every little bug |
| 18:21 | how bout we say that if there's a question, Paul and Chris will have a cage match | |
| 18:21 | paul_p | Brooke, you're right. but chris_n, please let me know if 6328 does not apply, because it's a BLO for us ! |
| 18:21 | chris_n | is there a large amount of concern about introducing fine-days fixes into 3.6? |
| 18:21 | paul_p: it does not | |
| 18:22 | or would not for me this morning | |
| 18:22 | I have to had time to update the bug | |
| 18:22 | paul_p | chris_n, for all french libraries, and most Spanish / italian libraries it is ! |
| 18:22 | as, 99% of french libraries use fines in days | |
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| 18:23 | paul_p | well... 60%. 39% doing no fines at all, and 1% fines in € |
| 18:23 | cait | perhaps we could get a second sign-off? for 3.6 and a documentation? |
| 18:23 | chris_n | if there is a fair amount of concern about introducing fine-days fixes into 3.6.x, please let me know |
| 18:23 | paul_p | tajoli, hello ! could you confirm to chris_n that fines in days is something important for you too ! |
| 18:23 | (we're just discussing of this) | |
| 18:23 | tajoli | yes, I confirm |
| 18:24 | slef | I think it probably should be fixed in 3.6.x if not too disruptive |
| 18:24 | tajoli | in Italy ALL library in practies use fine in days |
| 18:24 | chris_n | sekjal: is this related to your earlier question of workflow? |
| 18:24 | jcamins | tajoli: don't forget to introduce yourself with #info |
| 18:24 | tajoli | No one use money |
| 18:24 | sekjal | chris_n: yes. this doesn't just change how fine in days works |
| 18:24 | it changes how debarred works in general | |
| 18:24 | tajoli | #info Zeno Tajoli, CILEA (Italy) |
| 18:25 | jransom | we use finesin nz |
| 18:25 | sekjal | I think it's a great improvement, but I can see a library getting upset because something like this changes on them in the middle of a stable release |
| 18:25 | paul_p | sekjal, if it's clearly announced in the release notes, I think it's not a so big change. |
| 18:26 | slef | jransom: by charging them money or by banning a borrower for N days? |
| 18:26 | chris_n | I'd like to hear from others on this |
| 18:26 | jransom | charging money |
| 18:26 | chris_n | before making a decision |
| 18:26 | paul_p | fair. Do we drop a mail on koha ML ? |
| 18:26 | Brooke | yes |
| 18:26 | thd | Fixing a bug in a completely broken feature which is a use blocker might need some way of getting into stable. |
| 18:26 | Brooke | this is way too granular for the meeting |
| 18:26 | so | |
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| 18:27 | paul_p | chris_n, you do, or I do ? (the mail) |
| 18:27 | cait | thd: the problem is, it never worked since 3.2 |
| 18:27 | Brooke | paul roadmap to 3.8 svp |
| 18:27 | jcamins | moving_on++ |
| 18:27 | cait | and it changes the API and the interface |
| 18:27 | chris_n | paul_p: go ahead |
| 18:27 | paul_p | OK, will do. |
| 18:27 | cait | that's why there is some concern |
| 18:27 | paul_p | OK, 3.8 now |
| 18:28 | chris_n | #info bug 6328 is on hold for 3.6.x pending list responses |
| 18:28 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6328 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Fine in days does not work |
| 18:28 | slef | paul_p: can you include an outline of the API change in the mail please? |
| 18:28 | thd | The feature even if long broken is not new and is certainly necessary. |
| 18:28 | paul_p | 1st a question: do ppl think a monthly mail from me is a good thing ? |
| 18:28 | Brooke | yes |
| 18:28 | wizzyrea | yep : |
| 18:28 | chris_n | yes |
| 18:28 | tajoli | For me yes |
| 18:28 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 18:28 | thd | How do libraries cope without the feature? |
| 18:28 | Irma | me too yes |
| 18:28 | drojf | yes |
| 18:28 | wizzyrea | thd: take it to the list |
| 18:28 | jcamins | +1 |
| 18:28 | cait | +1 for monthly mails |
| 18:28 | slef | 0 |
| 18:28 | paul_p | OK, so I'll continue this way. |
| 18:28 | wizzyrea | please |
| 18:28 | magnuse | paul_p: yes |
| 18:28 | marijana | +1 |
| 18:29 | davidnind | yes |
| 18:29 | dpavlin | yes |
| 18:29 | thd | +1 for more mail |
| 18:29 | paul_p | if you think there's something I should speak of in everymail, don't hesitate to tell me |
| 18:29 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.4.x build #65: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 h 27 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.4.x/65/ |
| 18:29 | chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for 3.04.07.000 07 Dec 2011 16:48:02 Z | |
| 18:29 | paul_p | very fresh news: there are a lot of things made on the performance side. |
| 18:29 | * i've pushed some patches | |
| 18:29 | wizzyrea | argle. |
| 18:29 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 66 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #50 2 mo. 0 j ago) |
| 18:30 | paul_p | * the "de-nesting C4 package" should also be tested |
| 18:30 | * BibLibre has a patch that should hit bugzilla soon that improve by 1 second every search ! | |
| 18:30 | magnuse | improving_performance++ |
| 18:30 | wizzyrea | improving_performance++ |
| 18:30 | paul_p | * Ian submitted a patch to play with yaml file for config. I'll test it tomorrow I think |
| 18:30 | * i've started a page with benchmarking on the wiki | |
| 18:31 | that's probably the main thing i'll focus on in december ! | |
| 18:31 | Brooke | #info paul's pushed a bunch of patches |
| 18:31 | paul_p | I plan to focus on one thing each month. |
| 18:31 | tcohen | is anyone working on Bug 6802 |
| 18:31 | ¡ | |
| 18:31 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6802 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , with IndependantBranches on can still edit items |
| 18:31 | tcohen | ? |
| 18:31 | paul_p | this month, speed |
| 18:32 | sekjal | tcohen: several ByWater partners have expressed concern over it, but we don't have a finalized plan of attack het |
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| 18:32 | sekjal | s/het/yet/ |
| 18:32 | paul_p | I almost forget: bywater & catalyst are working on Plack/mod_perl |
| 18:32 | bag | yes |
| 18:32 | paul_p | sekjal, i'll drop you a mail tomorrow about that, I want to participate ;-) |
| 18:32 | sekjal | paul_p: most excellent |
| 18:33 | bag | hey paul_p please cc me |
| 18:33 | paul_p | bag ? (who are you ?) -sorry, I missed the beginning) |
| 18:33 | tcohen | let us know, we're concerned about that as it is holding a university fromr migrating |
| 18:33 | bag | bag = brendan :) |
| 18:33 | bag = brendan arthur gallagher | |
| 18:33 | mtj2 | bg? |
| 18:33 | wahanui | I LOVE BASEBALL AND BREAKFAST BURRITOS |
| 18:33 | bag | yup that bg :) |
| 18:34 | paul_p | multiple_nicks-- ;-) |
| 18:34 | slef | paul_p: do you mean to #info not *? |
| 18:34 | what bug is yaml-for-config? | |
| 18:34 | @query yaml config | |
| 18:34 | huginn`: hello? | |
| 18:34 | mtj2 | zAngG! |
| 18:34 | huginn` | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7170 normal, P3, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Remove use of XML::Simple |
| 18:34 | paul_p | (ok, will cc you, of course) |
| 18:34 | huginn` | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6915 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, gbarniskis, ASSIGNED , koha_perl_deps.pl truncates long module names at 26 chars |
| 18:34 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , updatedatabase improvements | |
| 18:34 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6488 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , opachiddenitems not working in master | |
| 18:34 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6193 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Use memcached cache koha-conf.xml configuration variables | |
| 18:34 | slef: I've exhausted my database of quotes | |
| 18:34 | wizzyrea | I have a concern about patches that are skipping the QA step - I've seen a couple now, bug 4051, for example doesn't seem to have had a going over by one of the designated qa folks. |
| 18:34 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4051 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, adrien.saurat, ASSIGNED , add columns to overdues export |
| 18:34 | paul_p | wizzyrea, they haven't skipped the QA test, it's just that I made the QA. |
| 18:34 | slef | oof sorry folks I just fell offline |
| 18:34 | paul_p | (and pushed) |
| 18:35 | wizzyrea | but, that's not the agreed situation? |
| 18:35 | paul_p | wizzyrea, yes, that is. |
| 18:35 | sekjal | wizzyrea: the current set of QA rules we're operating under allow the RM to jump straight from a "Signed Off" to a "Pushed" |
| 18:35 | wizzyrea | I see. |
| 18:35 | sekjal | provided that the author/signer are not from the same company |
| 18:35 | as the RM | |
| 18:35 | paul_p | I just don't do that for a patch made by BibLibre and signed-off by BibLibre too |
| 18:36 | and I try to do that on small patches. | |
| 18:36 | cait | if that's the agreed set of rules |
| 18:36 | should go on the wiki | |
| 18:36 | wizzyrea | hmm, 4051 doesn't follow that paradigm. |
| 18:36 | cait | I am a bit more worried about untested follow ups |
| 18:37 | paul_p | wizzyrea, I promize chris_c has not been hired by BibLibre yet ;-) |
| 18:37 | sekjal | wizzyrea: signoff is by rangi |
| 18:37 | dpavlin | wizzyrea: I tend to belive RM with final decisions... What is your concern? |
| 18:37 | paul_p | cait, do you have an example ? |
| 18:37 | cait | the updatedatebase to the 'unknown' problem for item_DUE |
| 18:37 | sorry, I have a problem with numbers | |
| 18:37 | but can find it | |
| 18:38 | paul_p | I have added a few follow-ups, but that was only comments or very minor things like that. Except for the item_DUE, that I tested before pushing. |
| 18:38 | wizzyrea | ok, I concede that you got a signoff external to biblibre, but the patch was originally biblibre, and didn't go through a non biblibre QA. I'm not trying to generate work, I'm just trying to understand the rules. |
| 18:38 | paul_p | cait, would you have prefered a failed QA because the updatedatabase is missing ? |
| 18:38 | cait | yes |
| 18:38 | let me explain | |
| 18:39 | paul_p | wizzyrea, 4 steps (provide patch / sign-off patch / QA / push), there must be at least 2 companies involved. |
| 18:39 | cait | and sorry for picking that - it was the fist I was thinking of |
| 18:39 | paul_p | and, for "large" patch, I won't QA myself, even if I could with our rules |
| 18:39 | cait | I was very surprised about the version numbering for this, so it's a good example perhaps anyway |
| 18:40 | and it would not have hurt to push the first patch - and the updatedatabase later on | |
| 18:40 | slef | I feel that RM should be reluctant to QA. If RM=QA then we've one less set of eyeballs. But sometimes it's necessary. |
| 18:40 | cait | sorry, not trying to be annoying |
| 18:40 | wizzyrea | I agree with slef. |
| 18:40 | paul_p | cait, that's a topic i've added (database version) |
| 18:40 | maybe I changed something, without knowing... | |
| 18:41 | sekjal | #link http://www.mail-archive.com/ko[…]org/msg02253.html |
| 18:41 | tajoli | Personaly I think that same time RM=QA is OK. Fore example SQL file of no-english languages |
| 18:41 | paul_p | in the last days, I made some QA, but it was only for small/obvious patches, except the item_DUE one. |
| 18:42 | * slef | notes his internet connection quality has gone through the floor :( |
| 18:43 | wizzyrea | well I guess I'll be happy with it if it's the approved process. |
| 18:43 | sekjal | in the link I just posted, I laid out 6 rules for QA |
| 18:43 | cait | like wizzyrea said |
| 18:43 | or what she said | |
| 18:43 | sekjal | the only response on that thread was from paul_p |
| 18:44 | wizzyrea | sekjal: your rules are sane. |
| 18:44 | * magnuse | gotta catch a plane |
| 18:44 | sekjal | thanks, wizzyrea. I'd hoped so. I think what remains is for the community as a whole to ratify or reject them |
| 18:44 | slef | sekjal: I remember replying to the signed-off patches point. :-/ |
| 18:45 | Brooke | put it on the agenda |
| 18:45 | wizzyrea | aha |
| 18:45 | Brooke | that's how things get ratified or rejected :P |
| 18:45 | sekjal | slef: there were several concurrent threads on similar subjects; I may have misplaced your response. looking... |
| 18:46 | slef | sekjal: I may have mistakenly discarded the thread you linked as a duplicate. Too many people still cross-post to koha and koha-devel and sometimes it confuses me. |
| 18:46 | rangi | morning |
| 18:46 | Brooke | morena |
| 18:46 | paul_p | 'morning rangi |
| 18:46 | Brooke | we're getting really granular again |
| 18:46 | so | |
| 18:46 | paul_p | Brooke++ |
| 18:46 | Brooke | what do we want to do about qa? |
| 18:47 | tajoli | Chiris, on your mail about 3.4.7 you insert the line RELEASE NOTES FOR KOHA 3.6.2 |
| 18:47 | Brooke | or were we just seeking a clarification? |
| 18:47 | paul_p | i've another concern about QA/jenkins |
| 18:47 | druthb left #koha | |
| 18:47 | paul_p | i've added it on the agenda: when jenkins complains, what should be do ? |
| 18:47 | wizzyrea | I think what he's doing now is just peachy |
| 18:48 | (good) | |
| 18:48 | rangi | ppl should fix the stuff they broke |
| 18:48 | slef | (a slightly more general aside: can any msg me how to get a complete mbox-like copy of sekjal's email so I can reply to it?) |
| 18:48 | Brooke | k moving on to what paul just mentioned |
| 18:48 | #topic Pushing a Patch with a Jenkins complain | |
| 18:48 | Topic for #koha is now Pushing a Patch with a Jenkins complain | |
| 18:48 | joannR | brooke: what will do with these parked 'granular' issues that do need addressing |
| 18:48 | * rangi | spent a few hours yesterday doing that for others |
| 18:48 | Brooke | hopefully they'll go out to the list |
| 18:48 | get some sort of resolution | |
| 18:48 | rangi | bug 5327 |
| 18:48 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5327 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Unit tests required for all C4 modules |
| 18:48 | Brooke | and come up again in a more condensed version |
| 18:49 | rangi | and bug 5604 |
| 18:49 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5604 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengard, ASSIGNED , additional icons for the Seshat set |
| 18:49 | Brooke | or be ironed out on IRC while it's not the meeting |
| 18:49 | paul_p | rangi++ |
| 18:49 | rangi | patches on those |
| 18:49 | Brooke | we could address them here every month, but that is how you get 8 hour meetings. |
| 18:49 | slef | paul_p: I'd pick option 1.5 ;-) maybe slower than immediate revert if a fix is promised, but revert breakages faster than a week if possible, else it may block some testers |
| 18:49 | rangi | will stop jenkins complaining |
| 18:49 | paul_p | i've pushed another fix to tests (boolean.t was wrong) |
| 18:49 | cait | Brooke: I think we should talk about that here |
| 18:49 | really | |
| 18:50 | jransom | QA practice is a critical issue |
| 18:50 | tcohen | are we using any mock libs for unit tests? |
| 18:50 | cait | I agree that we can't have unit tests and keep breaking them for weeks |
| 18:50 | jransom | (but dont want an 8 hour meeting either :) |
| 18:50 | cait | things that break unit tests should not go in |
| 18:50 | fail qa | |
| 18:50 | paul_p | cait++ |
| 18:51 | wizzyrea | right so that means that as developers we probably need to be more fastidious about running the unit tests on our work |
| 18:51 | cait | it's easy to run the tests - we should add it to the development and qa workflows |
| 18:51 | slef | well, yes, that's another aspect: why would such a thing be pushed? |
| 18:51 | tcohen | cait++ |
| 18:51 | cait | and if it breaks - either the tests are wrong or the feature - but both should be fixed. |
| 18:51 | drojf | cait++ |
| 18:52 | paul_p | cait, it's easy to run the tests, but there are so many, you don't always know which one to run |
| 18:52 | slef | the developer failed to test, the signed-offer failed, QAM didn't flag it and RM didn't notice? |
| 18:52 | cait | you can run them all |
| 18:52 | it's not that long | |
| 18:52 | prove | |
| 18:52 | one line in a window, do something else in another ;) | |
| 18:52 | paul_p | cait, jenkins need more than 1 hours to run all the tests ! |
| 18:52 | rangi told me he ran 00.* before pushing anything. | |
| 18:52 | wizzyrea | #action someone please add documentation to the developer/git pages on the wiki on "how to run tests" |
| 18:53 | Brooke | #help Add Documentation about Testing to the wiki |
| 18:53 | tcohen | is there a guidelines section for writing testsunit ? |
| 18:53 | cait | not usre, I thought they were running faster last time I did |
| 18:53 | rangi | if you change a module, u should at least run its test |
| 18:53 | paul_p | I think it's OK to have jenkins complaining, if we have a clear workflow like "if jenkins complains, if a patch is not provided in the next 7days, it will be reverted" |
| 18:53 | cait | so perhaps it's a bit harder, but still not too hard |
| 18:54 | wizzyrea | well I think we should head those off |
| 18:54 | rangi | or change a template, run those tests |
| 18:54 | wahanui | rangi: that doesn't look right |
| 18:54 | wizzyrea | developer should run the test on their own work |
| 18:54 | cait | forget that |
| 18:54 | wahanui | cait: I forgot that |
| 18:54 | wizzyrea | signoff should run the tests |
| 18:54 | cait | that is <reply> |
| 18:54 | rangi | u dont have to run all, but at least the relevant ones |
| 18:54 | * jcamins | didn't find the tests took that long when he tried running them. I think Jenkins is on a VPS that doesn't have a lot of power because rangi donated it. |
| 18:54 | wizzyrea | (and say they did, if they did, then qa may not need to!) |
| 18:54 | cait | rangi++ |
| 18:54 | rangi | its on a biblibre one now |
| 18:54 | paul_p | wizzyrea/rangi= but you have to know which one are relevant ! |
| 18:55 | wizzyrea | i am ok having a window on my test system running all of the tests. |
| 18:55 | as step 1 in this process. | |
| 18:55 | rangi | yes but if you change members.pm run at least members.t |
| 18:55 | paul_p | agreed |
| 18:55 | wizzyrea | and if you don't know, run em all! |
| 18:55 | sekjal | any change to a C4 module requires that module to be tested (at least) |
| 18:55 | rangi | if ppl want |
| 18:55 | wizzyrea | you can always reference against jenkins |
| 18:56 | paul_p | that could/should be added to QA workflow, isn't it ? |
| 18:56 | (in the QA comments) | |
| 18:56 | rangi | I can run a test writing tutorial on irc |
| 18:56 | wizzyrea | I think it ought to be at all stages, developers are responsible too |
| 18:56 | mtj2 | and if you did run *some* of the tests, for your patch - then state that info in the bugzilla update, etc... |
| 18:56 | paul_p | rangi, test writing & test running ? |
| 18:56 | rangi | so ppl can add tests when the add functions too |
| 18:56 | yep | |
| 18:57 | paul_p | great ! |
| 18:57 | rangi | I can show how to set git hooks |
| 18:57 | wizzyrea | 1. if a dev runs the tests -> qa won't find anything wrong |
| 18:57 | rangi | so git does it for u |
| 18:57 | jcamins | rangi: oh, well, I still didn't think it took me an hour to run the tests. |
| 18:57 | rangi++ | |
| 18:57 | * oleonard | wants to know more about git hooks |
| 18:58 | dpavlin | should we run tests under some kind of harness and collect results like CPAN does? This might prove very useful for tracking endge cases? |
| 18:58 | rangi | takes about 20 mins on my desktop |
| 18:58 | Brooke | #idea harness test results |
| 18:58 | paul_p | rangi, why does it take 1hour for jenkins ? |
| 18:58 | Brooke | #idea teach people about the testing process |
| 18:58 | cait | rangi++ |
| 18:58 | paul_p | (and just 20mn for you?) |
| 18:58 | cait | love that idea |
| 18:58 | rangi | it does a full makefile.pl |
| 18:58 | Brooke | #idea update documentation to reflect what different developers do |
| 18:58 | making_koha_better++ | |
| 18:59 | rangi | and runs coverage tests too |
| 18:59 | plus its java :) | |
| 18:59 | wizzyrea | keke |
| 18:59 | rangi | and my desktop has a lot more ram |
| 18:59 | paul_p | what's the diff between t and xt ? |
| 19:00 | rangi | xt are not functional |
| 19:00 | jransom | yup |
| 19:00 | paul_p | (maybe not a question for the meeting...) |
| 19:00 | jransom | oops |
| 19:00 | rangi | the test things like are things transltable |
| 19:00 | * chris_n | agrees that it is the dev's job to run tests and fix them |
| 19:00 | rangi | etc |
| 19:00 | jransom | im off folks - meetings to get to |
| 19:00 | rangi | ok my bus stop bb soon |
| 19:00 | chris_n | probably if a patch breaks a test it should be rejected |
| 19:01 | wizzyrea | chris_n++ i agree - and qa should run them (if the signoff doesn't say that they did) |
| 19:01 | paul_p | Brooke, next topic ? |
| 19:01 | Brooke | not sure if we're exhausted on this |
| 19:01 | folks, what's your pleasure? We all talked out? | |
| 19:01 | wizzyrea | which actually brings up another question for me - how far does the responsibility of the signoff person go? |
| 19:02 | mtj2 | if we can get better wiki-doc for devs running tests on their patches, we will all win - big time :) |
| 19:02 | wizzyrea | make sure the functionality works? check the code for formatting errors? |
| 19:02 | paul_p | mtate, right. |
| 19:02 | wizzyrea | run the tests? |
| 19:02 | chris_n | mtj2: prove t && prove xt |
| 19:02 | paul_p | wizzyrea, make sure the feature works |
| 19:02 | chris_n | then just watch the results |
| 19:02 | paul_p | QA being "how the code is written" |
| 19:02 | slef | wizzyrea: bare minimum, make sure the functionality works IMO. Ideally check formatting and run tests (and say that you have). |
| 19:03 | cait | wizzyrea: I think important is to state what you have done in the patch or bug |
| 19:03 | thd | wizzyrea: Depends on the standard which QA has the time to test. |
| 19:03 | chris_n | cait++ |
| 19:03 | wizzyrea | ok cool, I always felt guilty when one of my signoffs dies in QA |
| 19:03 | cait | so someone else will know what was tested and can do more testing based on that |
| 19:03 | if he/she thinks something was missed | |
| 19:03 | wizzyrea | "was my testing bad?" |
| 19:03 | thd | wizzyrea: What slef said a minimum and document the level of testing. |
| 19:04 | cait | we all miss things, we can only try to document what we do |
| 19:04 | I think | |
| 19:04 | wizzyrea | thanks, that clears it up for me |
| 19:04 | paul_p | wizzyrea, when I QA, I sometimes don't look at the feature. I look at the code itself. |
| 19:04 | wizzyrea | ^^ that is EXTREMELY helpful to know |
| 19:05 | so signoff = working as intended from the UI | |
| 19:05 | slef | I've failed at this myself. I will improve. |
| 19:05 | chris_n | final QA is normally done during "alpha" and "beta" releases |
| 19:05 | paul_p | (well 60% of the time, I also look at the feature. But with the *great* tests plan made by ppl like cait, it's often very easy !) |
| 19:05 | thd | paul_p: How can you be certain that the code did not mislead you into believing that the feature works? |
| 19:05 | chris_n | which we don't do |
| 19:05 | wizzyrea | QA = look at the feature (possibly) and look at the code |
| 19:05 | paul_p | thd, i'm not, I trust the author/signoff-er. |
| 19:06 | slef | trust no-one |
| 19:06 | it's not paranoia because they're all out to get you | |
| 19:06 | paul_p | and, when the signoff has been made by cait or wizzyrea or oleonard, i'm more comfortable than when it has been signed-off by someone I never saw before |
| 19:06 | thd | paul_p: OK. I usually find the other way round that testing the feature misleads people into believing that the code works. |
| 19:06 | rangi | back |
| 19:07 | thd | s/works/works as intended/ |
| 19:07 | paul_p | thd, right, and/but it really depends on how large the patch is and what kind of thing it impacts |
| 19:07 | cait | paul_p: I miss things too, all the time |
| 19:07 | * wizzyrea | too |
| 19:08 | Brooke | so here's a thought |
| 19:08 | how about | |
| 19:08 | we figure out when a logical downtime is | |
| 19:08 | and run a training session for bugtesting | |
| 19:08 | chris_n | yes, but if QA includes running the test suite, you won't miss those failures |
| 19:08 | thd | paul_p: I concede that for very small patches looking at the code is about the only useful thing to do. |
| 19:08 | Brooke | or at least a moot about how folks test for qa |
| 19:08 | chris_n | unless your screen breaks |
| 19:08 | wizzyrea | what chris_n says |
| 19:08 | Brooke | hackfest is logical, but lots of folks don't make conference |
| 19:08 | chris_n | running the suite is super simple too |
| 19:09 | wizzyrea | I think that we should strive to keep jenkins happy |
| 19:09 | paul_p | Brooke, the idea of training session for bugtesting is great. |
| 19:09 | thd | Brooke++ |
| 19:09 | wizzyrea | if jenkins is unhappy, someone has not done their job. |
| 19:09 | paul_p | francharb was really pleased with what he learned at KohaCon11 ! |
| 19:09 | wizzyrea | and we're not going to point and blame - we're going to just fix it already. |
| 19:09 | francharb | ++ |
| 19:10 | thats true! | |
| 19:10 | Brooke | #idea a bugtesting training session at some point in a release cycle to bring new folks in and put old folks on the same page |
| 19:10 | indradg | Brooke++ |
| 19:10 | francharb | one day i will write a "git-bz for the noob" post on biblibre blog! ;) |
| 19:10 | paul_p | BibLibre will also organize a week of hackfestin march 2012 |
| 19:10 | wizzyrea | git bz is amazing |
| 19:10 | paul_p | (like last year) |
| 19:11 | cait | that was the idea of gbsd |
| 19:11 | paul_p | it should be week 12 of 2012 |
| 19:11 | cait | to make more people interested and show them how to do things |
| 19:11 | in a group | |
| 19:11 | wizzyrea | oh, we should take a gbsd and squash the bugs out of our qa process :P |
| 19:11 | chris_n | wizzyrea: we can keep jenkins happy if either QA or the RM will run the suite before every push |
| 19:11 | paul_p | (should be confirmed and announced loudly next week) |
| 19:11 | cait | we could add that to the next gbsd perhaps? |
| 19:11 | wizzyrea | *nod* |
| 19:11 | cait | some training sessions? |
| 19:11 | chris_n | and we don't need a training session to do that |
| 19:11 | cait | explicitly in the announcement, perhaps with times |
| 19:11 | * paul_p | agrees for some training on next gbsd |
| 19:12 | Brooke | #idea use next gbsd for bugtesting training |
| 19:12 | chris_n | paul_p: what is wrong with running the test suite before you push and rejecting patches which cause failures? |
| 19:12 | paul_p | chris_n, how long it takes |
| 19:13 | slef | #idea someone add the set-bugzilla-metadata-like-status to git bz before I get time |
| 19:13 | chris_n | so time trumps quality |
| 19:13 | ? | |
| 19:13 | * dpavlin | confused. prove t/ && prove xt/ takes 27+4 seconds for me. Am I missing something? |
| 19:13 | paul_p | not only, jenkins is here to do that. What I must improve is my reaction when jenkins complains |
| 19:13 | chris_n | no |
| 19:13 | I think what dpavlin said is true here | |
| 19:13 | cait | paul_p: perhaps try to run them on your local machine again? |
| 19:13 | rangi | dpavlin: there is the t/db_dependent suite too |
| 19:14 | cait | or part of it |
| 19:14 | chris_n | even that is worth the wait |
| 19:14 | cait | as rangi suggested |
| 19:14 | jcamins | dpavlin: prove t ; prove xt ; prove t/db_dependent |
| 19:14 | paul_p | db_dependant also requires to have a specific database (isn't it rangi ?) |
| 19:14 | rangi | the important ones for templates images pod |
| 19:14 | are in xt/author/ | |
| 19:15 | dpavlin | Thanks, keep hints comming, I will turn them into wiki page after meeting :-) |
| 19:15 | rangi | any change you make to templates those are good to run, and are fast |
| 19:15 | wizzyrea | dpavlin++ |
| 19:15 | paul_p | dpavlin++ |
| 19:15 | chris_n | dpavlin++ |
| 19:15 | cait | dpavlin++ for that and other useful documentation work! |
| 19:15 | rangi | paul_p: a db with all the sample data loaded in, should work |
| 19:15 | jcamins | dpavlin++ |
| 19:15 | wizzyrea | ooo |
| 19:16 | paul_p | the sample datas that are in installer/data/mysql/en/* ? |
| 19:16 | rangi, the sample datas that are in installer/data/mysql/en/* ? | |
| 19:16 | rangi | yup |
| 19:16 | i havent set up a new one in a while | |
| 19:16 | paul_p | ok, will check & try |
| 19:16 | rangi | but thats how i did it |
| 19:17 | Brooke | okie dokie |
| 19:17 | now I think we can move to DB Version Numbering | |
| 19:17 | yes? | |
| 19:17 | wizzyrea | great, thanks for talking that out peeps I feel a lot better. |
| 19:17 | mtj2 | rangi: cool, is that the same db that jenkins is running every test too? |
| 19:17 | paul_p | Brooke, I think so. |
| 19:17 | Brooke | #topic DB Version Numbering Bug 6530 |
| 19:17 | Topic for #koha is now DB Version Numbering Bug 6530 | |
| 19:17 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6530 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, REOPENED , item due notice label saying 'unknown' |
| 19:18 | paul_p | Here is my question: the next stable release will be 3.6.2, it means patches with an updatedatabase I push those days should be numbered 3.06.02.xxx, isn't it ? |
| 19:18 | cait | I think we used to do it differently |
| 19:18 | wizzyrea | well |
| 19:18 | cait | but this can be discussed |
| 19:18 | it's a bit confusing that my master installation believes to be a 3.6.2 | |
| 19:19 | paul_p | that's what rangi & chris_n told me, but I don't understand how/what it works |
| 19:19 | chris_n | well |
| 19:19 | paul_p | cait, but for ppl running stable/3.6.x, it's OK |
| 19:19 | chris_n | it only "believes" that because of the way the number is parsed by about.pl |
| 19:19 | rangi | i always pushed 3.3 and 3.5 to master |
| 19:19 | chris_n pushed 3.2 and 3.4 ones | |
| 19:19 | wizzyrea | odd numbers = dev version |
| 19:19 | chris_n | however, we have been using odd numbers for development cycles and evens for stable |
| 19:20 | cait | i liked it |
| 19:20 | * wizzyrea | too |
| 19:20 | paul_p | so, does it mean a DB rev that is in both will have 2 numbers ? |
| 19:20 | cait | and easy to find out what someone is really running |
| 19:20 | paul_p | (2 different numbers I mean) |
| 19:20 | cait | paul_p: yes, that's how it was |
| 19:20 | paul_p | so, when someone upgraded from a 3.2.x to 3.4.0, he got some update made twice ? |
| 19:20 | rangi | usually very few go on the stable one |
| 19:20 | no | |
| 19:21 | paul_p | so there's something i'm still missing ! |
| 19:21 | rangi | he wouldnt go 3.2.x to 3.3.x to 3.4.x |
| 19:21 | so would only get it once | |
| 19:21 | wizzyrea | 3.2.x -> 3.4.0 directly. |
| 19:22 | paul_p | mmm, sorry, I don't have it |
| 19:23 | cait | perhaps looking at the updates for the last version will help to clear things up? |
| 19:23 | * chris_n | thinks the bottom line is either way works so it is a matter of preference |
| 19:23 | paul_p | cait, maybe |
| 19:23 | cait | chris_n: for me part of it is consistency |
| 19:23 | chris_n | so long as we don't move backwards :-) |
| 19:23 | cait | and being able to ask someone who shows upon irc |
| 19:23 | wizzyrea | we all know cait loves consistency |
| 19:23 | cait | what he is running |
| 19:23 | nothing wrong with that :) | |
| 19:23 | chris_n | consistency++ |
| 19:23 | cait | I like change too - as long as it's consistent change :P |
| 19:24 | * wizzyrea | ponders the fact that koha is nothing if not consistent change ;) |
| 19:24 | paul_p | cait, if someone run master, he usually know it ! and when master becomes stable, a new "fake" DBrev will be introduced to tell him "3.08.00.001" |
| 19:25 | cait | paul_p: I think I have to disagree here - people do weird tihngs :) |
| 19:25 | and: someone else installed it for me... I don't know what he did | |
| 19:25 | jcamins | paul_p: I disagree too. |
| 19:25 | A lot of people seem to have no idea what they're running. | |
| 19:25 | Brooke | in the before time, there was no about page. |
| 19:26 | mtj2 | fiy: i think about.pl could be improved to detect/report a master install better |
| 19:26 | * Brooke | nods. |
| 19:26 | rangi | how |
| 19:26 | if not by version number | |
| 19:26 | * paul_p | digging into gitweb... |
| 19:26 | rangi | how could it possibly know otherwise |
| 19:26 | chris_n | @quote add <jcamins> A lot of people seem to have no idea what they're running. |
| 19:26 | huginn` | chris_n: The operation succeeded. Quote #170 added. |
| 19:27 | chris_n | well |
| 19:27 | mtj2 | rangi: the next point release after stable is master? |
| 19:28 | cait | you can download snapshots from git too - so no need for it to be a git install |
| 19:28 | chris_n | given paul_p's current practice about.pl could look at the dev portion of the version number |
| 19:28 | rangi | no its not |
| 19:28 | chris_n | given the other way, it could look for an odd minor reve number |
| 19:28 | rangi | mtj2: 3.6.1 is 3.6.x branch |
| 19:28 | cait | dep portion of the version number? |
| 19:28 | dev... | |
| 19:28 | mtj2 | ie: is 3.6.x is stable, then 3.x.x means you are running master? |
| 19:29 | chris_n | cait: see comments in kohaversion.pl |
| 19:29 | mtj2 | oops, s/is/if/ |
| 19:29 | cait | chris_n: sorry, don't get it, perhaps later |
| 19:29 | rangi | right so version numbers |
| 19:29 | paul_p | OK, I think i've my example... |
| 19:29 | rangi | and no i might be running 3.2.x or 3.4.x |
| 19:29 | * chris_n | thinks the arcane knowledge hidden there has been lost in the mists of koha history |
| 19:29 | paul_p | in 3.4 updatedatabase : |
| 19:30 | 4425 $DBversion = "3.04.05.001"; | |
| 19:30 | it's the same as in master | |
| 19:30 | $DBversion = "3.05.00.019"; | |
| 19:30 | rangi | yes |
| 19:30 | paul_p | SO, someone running 3.4.5 and upgrading to 3.6.0 will have 3.5.0.019 run |
| 19:30 | rangi | but not 3.6.x |
| 19:31 | no | |
| 19:31 | paul_p | ??? |
| 19:31 | (that's what I've missed I feel) | |
| 19:31 | rangi | not nessecarily, some are checked |
| 19:31 | generally it works because you dont do updatedatabase on stable branches | |
| 19:31 | unless its a big bug | |
| 19:31 | paul_p | (in this case, it's not -but it won't harm, the UPDATE will just make nothing-) |
| 19:32 | rangi | and yup |
| 19:32 | but if we number it 3.6.x we still have 3.4.x branch now, so it just shifts the problem | |
| 19:32 | paul_p | OK, but I feel it introduces a risk of inconsistency |
| 19:32 | (and inconsistency is bad ;-) ) | |
| 19:33 | rangi, right | |
| 19:33 | chris_n | so we need to patch kohaversion.pl to explain correctly then |
| 19:33 | schuster joined #koha | |
| 19:33 | rangi | so i still like master to run odd numbers so its obvious its dev |
| 19:33 | and stable even | |
| 19:33 | Brooke | #help patch kohaversion.pl to explain numbering |
| 19:33 | paul_p | maybe all this discussion will become useless with the new DB update system : we could have "patch applied" coming from the db update and "kohaversion" coming from kohaversion.pl ! |
| 19:33 | * chris_n | tends to lean toward the even/odd system too |
| 19:34 | paul_p | rangi, you mean that before releasing, you update all DB numbers in updatedatabase ? |
| 19:34 | rangi | no, i think we are talking past each other and that the problem is not solvable by using different numbers |
| 19:34 | schuster | question for your jquery folks - on the results page in opac can jquery change [electronic resource] to say [ebook title] so we wouldn't have to break cataloging rules and "redo" all of those MARC records? |
| 19:35 | wizzyrea | schuster: meeting time |
| 19:35 | rangi | schuster: we are in a meeting |
| 19:35 | schuster | oh sorry... |
| 19:35 | wizzyrea | :) all good :) |
| 19:35 | rangi | paul_p: so whatever number we use because we have 3 branches |
| 19:35 | there will be the chance of double ups | |
| 19:35 | so just pick a convention, and stick with it is fine | |
| 19:35 | cait | schuster: yes |
| 19:36 | schuster | got my answer thanks all - I even knew there was a meeting today. sorry |
| 19:36 | wizzyrea | don't be |
| 19:37 | Brooke | k |
| 19:37 | we talked out on this? | |
| 19:37 | * Brooke | not so secretly hopes so. |
| 19:38 | Brooke | #topic KohaCon 2012 |
| 19:38 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon 2012 | |
| 19:38 | * chris_n | thinks it is a matter of preference more than a matter of functionality |
| 19:38 | chris_n | opps |
| 19:38 | Brooke | slef go! |
| 19:38 | paul_p | Brooke, I think so, but i'm still not clearly decided... will think of it and maybe drop a mail to koha-devel ! |
| 19:38 | wizzyrea-lunch | (sorry, gonna eat my arm off) |
| 19:38 | chris_n | lol |
| 19:38 | slef | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ategory:KohaCon12 |
| 19:39 | We're still negotiating the venue *sigh* | |
| 19:39 | Brooke | time's a tickin |
| 19:39 | paul_p | slef, nego with who ? |
| 19:39 | cait | so no dates yet? |
| 19:39 | slef | Yeah. I thought we had an agreement, but then what we were mailed diverged in some important ways, so round we go again. |
| 19:40 | I'm 98% sure we'll be 5th-11th June 2012. | |
| 19:40 | cait | cool! |
| 19:40 | Brooke | if it's not nailed down by next meeting, then what? |
| 19:40 | slef | But I don't want to tell people to buy travel until we're sure. |
| 19:41 | Brooke: if it's not nailed down before Christmas, I think we switch to a backup venue. | |
| 19:41 | Brooke | k |
| 19:41 | cause it's probably cutting a real fine line with folks' budgeting cycles | |
| 19:41 | thd | slef: Do you have a backup venue? |
| 19:41 | slef | thd: yes |
| 19:42 | Brooke | anything else that's new or interesting to report? |
| 19:42 | * thd | thinks tents on the city green would be a fine backup venue. |
| 19:42 | slef | those of you who have seen pics/vids, hopefully can see why we think this is first choice |
| 19:42 | paul_p | slef, how do you plan to have the conf: 3 days conf + 3 days hackfest ? |
| 19:42 | with 1 day of between them ? | |
| 19:43 | slef | #help please put into the wishlist ideas you want |
| 19:43 | paul_p: yes, exactly that! :) | |
| 19:44 | cait | only 3 days hackfest? |
| 19:44 | ;) | |
| 19:44 | slef | I'd also like any ideas for the day off, please; and if anyone might be interested in a road trip from any English cities (I guess many will fly into London?) |
| 19:44 | Brooke | road trip++ |
| 19:44 | <--- prolly not going though | |
| 19:44 | paul_p | slef, fly to london ? why ? Isn't Edinburg a great place ? |
| 19:45 | slef | I think ideas we have had are a tour of Edinburgh and a fishing trip. But first we sort out the conf. |
| 19:45 | * paul_p | dreams of a day off in the country... |
| 19:45 | jcamins | slef: Saint Andrews! |
| 19:45 | paul_p | fishing trip++++++ ! |
| 19:45 | * jwagner | has been wanting to go to the Lake District for years |
| 19:45 | dpavlin | From last KohaConf, we will be half-exsausted by 4th day, something easy please :-) |
| 19:45 | jcamins | dpavlin: Saint Andrews is easy. |
| 19:45 | slef | paul_p: Edinburgh and Glasgow have some international air links, but London is a big hub. |
| 19:45 | jcamins | And beautiful. |
| 19:45 | paul_p | is loch ness far from Edinburg ? |
| 19:45 | jcamins | paul_p: easy day trip. |
| 19:45 | slef | paul_p: heh. yes. |
| 19:45 | dpavlin | Loch Ness++ |
| 19:46 | slef | I've no idea if that's doable in a day, but we can check. Update the wishlist wiki, please! |
| 19:46 | thd | paul_p: flying direct to Edinburgh is more expensive from most places than direct to London. |
| 19:46 | slef | But anyway, first we sort out the conf. |
| 19:46 | Brooke | anything else? |
| 19:46 | wahanui | it has been said that anything else is just piling mess on top |
| 19:47 | slef | Not from me. Any questions? |
| 19:47 | schuster | When we went years ago it was fly into London, take train to Edinburgh - I recommend the scotch museum...:) |
| 19:47 | ibeardslee | scotch museum+++ |
| 19:47 | jcamins | Whiskey included with your admission ticket, if you're over 18. |
| 19:47 | Brooke | #topic KohaCon2013 |
| 19:47 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon2013 | |
| 19:48 | slef | schuster: yes, there are fast trains from London King's Cross, sleepers from London Euston and cheap buses from London Victoria. This will be documented once we have dates. |
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| 19:48 | slef | schuster: but I will be travelling a non-straightforward route anyway, and I enjoyed the road trip, so I keep it in mind as a possibility. |
| 19:49 | Brooke | personally, I think we should hold off on proposals until after Scotland; folks might be inspired to bid after the Conference that wouldn't before it |
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| 19:49 | mglavica | ops |
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| 19:49 | * paul.poulain: Jenkins complaining = fixing number of tests | |
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| 19:50 | ibeardslee | the LCA announce their next conference at the conference |
| 19:50 | * Brooke | nods |
| 19:50 | Brooke | my Fraternity did it that way for 2 years out. |
| 19:50 | ibeardslee | very handy for people to start the planning of travel etc |
| 19:50 | * Brooke | nods. |
| 19:50 | dpavlin | DebConf usually have at least proposal on conferece, and then continues to mail-it-to-death for a year |
| 19:51 | We *might* propose Zagreb and our Univeristity librarary, but our fear is lack of commercial prospect in the region. | |
| 19:51 | thd | I am all for mail-it-to-death contests |
| 19:51 | schuster | #info schuster - David Schuster Plano ISD. |
| 19:51 | slef | I think debconf is currently proposing for 2013? |
| 19:52 | tajoli | In theory koha 2013 for Africa or Soth America |
| 19:52 | slef | there was mail about it today... I knew I should have read it properly ;-) |
| 19:52 | Brooke | zeno would be nice but can't happen without folks stepping up |
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| 19:52 | * f.demians: 3.4.7 Translation Update | |
| 19:52 | * chris.nighswonger: Updating Version Number to 3.04.07.000 | |
| 19:52 | Brooke | I hear a lot from Africa that they definitely want conference *sometime* but not _nexttime_ |
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| 19:53 | tajoli | I'm think of Venezuela. They don't speak abot a state version of Koha ? |
| 19:53 | thd | Brooke, which countries do you hear from in Africa? |
| 19:54 | Brooke | some Nigerians have mentioned it here and there, and way back there was rumour of SA |
| 19:54 | slef | I would love it if we could get it if people were starting to propose kohacon X+2 at kohacon X. Is that doable? |
| 19:54 | Brooke | if it's *at* KohaCon, it also has to be over IRC |
| 19:54 | imo | |
| 19:54 | dpavlin | +2 seems totally resonable. |
| 19:54 | Brooke | because I don't want to disenfranchise folks that don't show to conference |
| 19:55 | thd | Brooke++ |
| 19:55 | paul_p | I think i would prefer KohaCon with many attendees in a continent where we already had one more than a new continent with only a few attendees... |
| 19:55 | tajoli | Clearly |
| 19:55 | thd | paul_p++ |
| 19:55 | slef | Brooke: or video pitches. |
| 19:55 | dpavlin | but we should shift continents yearly, right? |
| 19:56 | paul_p | dpavlin, yes. But you know, UK is not really Europe :D :D :D |
| 19:56 | Brooke | I think shifting it builds interest |
| 19:56 | tajoli | For Zagreb is Ok for 2013 |
| 19:56 | thd | We should not make rules about venue location which primarily result in poor attendance. |
| 19:56 | Brooke | but if we get a bid for Zagreb |
| 19:56 | and no one else bids | |
| 19:56 | then | |
| 19:56 | hooray :) | |
| 19:56 | slef | paul_p: stop trying to disown us. We still love you, despite Sarkozy! |
| 19:56 | thd | It is perfectly reasonably for places with more interest in Koha to host more conferences. |
| 19:56 | cait | paul_p++ |
| 19:57 | Brooke | thd that's what local conferences are made for |
| 19:57 | that and practice for international | |
| 19:57 | if you hated hosting your local conference, you'd prolly loathe hosting KohaCon | |
| 19:57 | cait | zagreb++ :) |
| 19:57 | Brooke | conversely, if you're a masochist, eyes wide open. |
| 19:57 | thd | Brooke: You are correct about the purposes of local conferences. |
| 19:58 | Brooke | again personally, I just don't want it to degrade into the US and EU have Conference 4 EVAR |
| 19:58 | dpavlin | Let's consider Zagreb backup option for 2013. |
| 19:59 | Brooke | dpavlin, I don't see any reason you can't start checking things out |
| 19:59 | worse comes to worst | |
| 19:59 | you have information for next time round | |
| 19:59 | thd | Brooke: However, conference venue rotation rules should not force a venue where there is insufficient interest in actually organising a conference. |
| 19:59 | Brooke | I think Zagreb would be neat |
| 19:59 | paul_p | maybe what we should do now is drop a mail to koha ML to say "hey, who is interested to host KohaCon13" ? |
| 19:59 | Brooke | insufficient interest would mean no proposal from that region thd |
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| 20:00 | slef | (dagnabbit where was that email about debconf?) |
| 20:00 | paul_p++ | |
| 20:00 | cait | yes +1 |
| 20:00 | dpavlin | paul_p++ |
| 20:01 | thd | Brooke: Exactly, we should not push people hard to hold a conference in some location where we have not had one if they really have not enough interest to put themselves forward. |
| 20:01 | Brooke | #action mail a proposal out to the list about hosting 2013 |
| 20:01 | slef | so does cait or dpavlin volunteer to send that email? ;-) |
| 20:01 | paul_p | dpavlin, you start a wiki page & drop a mail to koha general ML ? |
| 20:01 | slef | or do either want to bid? ;-) |
| 20:01 | * dpavlin | grrr... |
| 20:01 | thd | Brooke: Otherwise I agree completely about rotating locations and definitely not having US and EU in alternating turns. |
| 20:01 | slef | or shall I? As we deffo won't bid. |
| 20:02 | Brooke | you do it slef :P |
| 20:02 | * Brooke | flexes her authoritay |
| 20:02 | tajoli | In fact now the real option are USA, EU, India NZ, AU |
| 20:02 | dpavlin | I think we might want to move away from Europe in 2013 if possible, but I would appiricate mailing list summary from somebody else since I'm not native speaker :-) |
| 20:03 | cait | I like someone hosting who is present on lists and irc before offering |
| 20:03 | drojf | cait++ |
| 20:03 | cait | if that makes sense |
| 20:03 | schuster | Ya'll could come back to Plano TX USA, but I suspect you want to see another part of the US! LOL... |
| 20:03 | rangi | plano was fun |
| 20:04 | and that media center was top notch | |
| 20:04 | thd | tajoli: I expect good proposals from all of those places and their near neighbours. |
| 20:04 | paul_p | cait++ |
| 20:04 | yep, plano was really great ! | |
| 20:04 | * oleonard | would love a KohaCon in bag's neck of the woods |
| 20:04 | Brooke | aye |
| 20:04 | or DC | |
| 20:04 | tajoli | But for example Pakistan (with users and firm) is quite difficult for many of us |
| 20:05 | Brooke | ;) |
| 20:05 | schuster | tks all... I enjoyed having you all here. |
| 20:05 | Brooke | so movin' on |
| 20:05 | #topic Koha Christmas Party | |
| 20:05 | Topic for #koha is now Koha Christmas Party | |
| 20:06 | Brooke | rangi, yes? |
| 20:06 | thd | The longer ahead we could actually schedule a conference the better prospects people might have of obtaining low prices for the excursion. |
| 20:06 | rangi | oh, we should have one |
| 20:06 | and you should cater | |
| 20:06 | that is all | |
| 20:07 | oleonard | What is a Koha Christmas Party? |
| 20:07 | rangi | someone suggested it on irc, so i put it on the agenda |
| 20:07 | i have no idea | |
| 20:07 | sekjal | if it involves baked goods, I'm there! |
| 20:08 | cait | heh |
| 20:08 | coookies! | |
| 20:08 | rangi | something like gbsd ... but with less work more talking rubbish on irc :) |
| 20:08 | Brooke | *cough* we could do it over someone's Birthday |
| 20:08 | JesseM | Send all gifts to HLT! |
| 20:08 | Brooke | #justsayin |
| 20:08 | * oleonard | doesn't need a holiday to talk rubbish on irc |
| 20:08 | thd | rangi: yes GBSD in reverse. |
| 20:08 | cait | so more like a friday than like gbsd :) |
| 20:08 | sekjal | thd: global bug-creating day? |
| 20:09 | drojf | local |
| 20:09 | Brooke | which Friday? Proper eNZed Friday, or that late Friday everyone else celebrates? |
| 20:09 | oleonard | Sometimes I think that's what GBSD ends up being sekjal (or at least bug-finding) |
| 20:10 | cait | oleonard++ |
| 20:10 | rangi | hmmm down 2 only 4 fails on master |
| 20:10 | francharb | bye all! |
| 20:10 | rangi | cya francharb |
| 20:11 | francharb | have a nice day/night! |
| 20:11 | :) | |
| 20:11 | paul_p | rangi, yep. And I think 2 are duplicates (or 2 reports of 1 problem) |
| 20:11 | rangi | paul_p: ill look at the Record.pm one now |
| 20:11 | then perl critic after | |
| 20:11 | paul_p | (the testcritic one) |
| 20:11 | Brooke | so no holiday party? |
| 20:11 | * slef | mutters about a 23 Dec meeting he has to attend |
| 20:11 | Brooke | #topic Olde Business and Miscellanea |
| 20:11 | Topic for #koha is now Olde Business and Miscellanea | |
| 20:12 | Brooke | any other crap we've not beaten to a bloody pulp yet? |
| 20:12 | francharb_afk | Brooke, i just saw that "koha christmas pary" |
| 20:12 | lucky you | |
| 20:12 | paul_p | the perlcritic comes from a patch to have pdf printing working. it's perlcritic level 3 iirc. |
| 20:12 | francharb_afk | that's something we don"t have in france |
| 20:12 | sounds fun | |
| 20:12 | even more on irc! | |
| 20:13 | paul_p | nope, it's level 5 |
| 20:13 | mtj2 | bah, i gotta scoot now too - ciao all |
| 20:13 | paul_p | 19:38 ~/koha.dev/koha-community (master $% u=)$ perlcritic acqui/basketgroup.pl Expression form of "eval" at line 190, column 9. See page 161 of PBP. (Severity: 5) |
| 20:13 | thd | On old business which came out around the end of the last meeting ... |
| 20:13 | uploading files is working again for the wiki. | |
| 20:14 | Brooke | hooray |
| 20:14 | anything else? | |
| 20:14 | wahanui | anything else is just piling mess on top |
| 20:14 | cait | yay :) |
| 20:14 | thd++ | |
| 20:14 | oleonard | wahanui: That joke is wearing thin |
| 20:14 | wahanui | OK, oleonard. |
| 20:14 | slef | thd++ |
| 20:14 | thd | I fixed it three weeks ago but it failed when I tested but seems to be working with no intervening change except maybe an apache restart. |
| 20:15 | Brooke | #topic Next Meeting |
| 20:15 | Topic for #koha is now Next Meeting | |
| 20:15 | slef | that joke? |
| 20:15 | wahanui | that joke is wearing thin |
| 20:15 | dpavlin | Where do I configure database which t/db_dependent uses? in current KOHA_CONF ? |
| 20:15 | Should we suggest to run tests under new database, so that people don't run it on production by mistake? | |
| 20:16 | rangi | dpavlin: yes |
| 20:16 | good idea | |
| 20:16 | Brooke | 4 January 10 UTC? |
| 20:17 | paul_p | sounds OK |
| 20:17 | jcamins | dpavlin: yeah, it's just your regular Koha installation. |
| 20:17 | First Wednesday of next month, minus eight hours? | |
| 20:17 | Sounds fine to me, though I won't be able to make it. | |
| 20:17 | cait | yep |
| 20:17 | thd | +1 4 Jan. 10 UTC |
| 20:17 | jcamins | Seems more fair to cait, et. al. |
| 20:17 | cait | jcamins: hm? |
| 20:18 | oh, the time | |
| 20:18 | wahanui | rumour has it the time is a scary thing |
| 20:18 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 20:18 | slef | +1 2012-01-04 10:00:00 +0000 |
| 20:18 | Brooke | #agreed 4 January 10 UTC |
| 20:19 | #endmeeting | |
| 20:19 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.6.1 & 3.4.6 & 3.2.11 are now available ; Next General IRC Meeting 7 December 2011 at 18:00 UTC+0 | http://www.koha-community.org | http://paste.koha-community.org | |
| 20:19 | huginn` | Meeting ended Wed Dec 7 20:19:02 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 20:19 | Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]-12-07-18.00.html | |
| 20:19 | Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]1-12-07-18.00.txt | |
| 20:19 | Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]07-18.00.log.html | |
| 20:19 | Brooke | skitter! |
| 20:19 | rhcl | #info RHCL = Greg Lawson @ Rolling Hills Consolidated Library |
| 20:19 | oleonard | Missed it by a hair rhcl |
| 20:19 | jcamins | rhcl: sorry, you just missed it. |
| 20:20 | rhcl | daem |
| 20:21 | oleonard | wahanui: Time is like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff. |
| 20:21 | wahanui | ...but time is a scary thing... |
| 20:21 | oleonard | wahanui: forget time |
| 20:21 | Brooke | oleonard++ |
| 20:21 | wahanui | oleonard: I forgot time |
| 20:21 | oleonard | wahanui: Time is like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff. |
| 20:21 | wahanui | OK, oleonard. |
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| 20:22 | slef | the time? |
| 20:22 | wahanui | the time is like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff. |
| 20:22 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.6.1 & 3.4.7 & 3.2.11 are now available ; Next General IRC Meeting 7 December 2011 at 18:00 UTC+0 | http://www.koha-community.org | http://paste.koha-community.org | |
| 20:22 | slef | wahanui: forget anything else |
| 20:22 | wahanui | slef: I forgot anything else |
| 20:22 | slef | wahanui: forget that joke |
| 20:22 | wahanui | slef: I forgot that joke |
| 20:22 | paul_p | OK, bye bye ppl, time to go to dinner then bed for me ! |
| 20:22 | Brooke | good night! |
| 20:22 | rangi | cya paul_p |
| 20:22 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.6.1 & 3.4.7 & 3.2.11 are now available ; Next General IRC Meeting 4 January 2012 at 10:00 UTC+0 | http://www.koha-community.org | http://paste.koha-community.org | |
| 20:23 | cait | bye paul_p :) |
| 20:23 | indradg | @wunder kolkata |
| 20:23 | chris_n | bye paul_p |
| 20:23 | huginn` | indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 20.0°C (1:20 AM IST on December 08, 2011). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:23 | rangi | bug 7141 |
| 20:23 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7141 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , The biblio details page in the intranet doesn't work if XSLT is activated and the xsl file contains " " |
| 20:23 | rangi | the commit for that is causing the test to fail |
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| 20:23 | rangi | but the fix is to change the test |
| 20:24 | because its a whitespace fail | |
| 20:24 | ill submit a patch | |
| 20:24 | paul_p | & i'll push it (my) tomorrow |
| 20:24 | rangi | cool |
| 20:24 | cait | sleep well :) |
| 20:27 | * oleonard | tries to remember what he was doing before lunch & meeting |
| 20:28 | thd | slef: What is 2612? |
| 20:29 | cait | ask your current git branch? :) |
| 20:29 | slef | oleonard: a mind is a wonderful thing to lose. |
| 20:29 | thd: the co-op's internal reference number for KohaCon. | |
| 20:29 | * oleonard | remembers he was digging through old bugs looking for treasures |
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| 20:30 | cait | oleonard: I will join you after doing the dishes |
| 20:31 | thd | slef: would 'KohaCon 2012' work almost as well as 2612? |
| 20:31 | oleonard | KohaCon 2612 is going to be great, except for the mutants. |
| 20:31 | slef | thd: oh did I write that in an email? |
| 20:32 | * Brooke | welcomes the mutant overlords. |
| 20:32 | thd | slef: Well maybe but it is on the wiki. |
| 20:32 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ategory:KohaCon12 | |
| 20:32 | slef | thd: but no, as it would mean whoever received the mail would have to do an index lookup to file it :-/ |
| 20:32 | thd | slef: had you meant 2012? |
| 20:33 | slef | no, bizarrely, our ref no for it really is 2612 |
| 20:34 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.4.x build #67: STILL UNSTABLE in 41 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.4.x/67/ |
| 20:34 | chris.nighswonger: Release Notes for 3.04.07.000 07 Dec 2011 19:43:11 Z | |
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| 20:34 | slef | if anyone finds a FOSS bug tracker or task tracker which can file mails correctly without using reference numbers, please let me know so I can steal its code ;-) |
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| 20:34 | thd | slef: OK, We really need to develop natural language processing for our computer so that yours know 'KohaCon 2012' should be filed in the 2612 index. |
| 20:34 | slef | thd: snap! |
| 20:36 | hrm... I think I could upgrade our filer so that if a human identifies the keyword(s) it could try to make a guess | |
| 20:36 | ooh that's sick | |
| 20:37 | wizzyrea | my arms are safe. |
| 20:37 | thd | slef: Be nice to your computers. Give them morally uplifting tasks. |
| 20:37 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7141] The biblio details page in the intranet doesn't work if XSLT is activated and the xsl file contains " " <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7141> |
| 20:38 | * chris_n | discovers a nasty bug in his shiny-new automation script >:-( |
| 20:38 | jcamins | rangi: thanks. :) |
| 20:39 | slef | thd: most of mine are already seriously deranged. They've known me too long. |
| 20:43 | thd | slef: In my former bookshop, I gave them the voice of HAL which they would use to announce over the shop's speakers that they had finished some significant job and were available for more work. |
| 20:45 | dpavlin | slef: request-tracker? |
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| 20:48 | slef | dpavlin: how do you set that to auto-file without the [RT #xxx] style tags? |
| 20:52 | * oleonard | wonders if opac-topissues.pl is worth the trouble to fix... |
| 20:53 | Brooke | as in the stuff that goes out the most? |
| 20:53 | oleonard | Yes |
| 20:53 | cait | hm |
| 20:53 | Brooke | hellz yes it would be |
| 20:53 | cait | i think some libaries use it |
| 20:53 | what's broken with it? | |
| 20:53 | Brooke | that would be a key call for the shtuff hlt wants to do |
| 20:54 | if you can localise it to a shelf range somehow, I'll give you a cookie. | |
| 20:54 | oleonard | It doesn't handle the AdvancedSearchTypes pref correctly, doesn't handle item-level_itypes correctly, doesn't display title information well |
| 20:54 | What do you mean about stuff hlt wants to do Brooke? | |
| 20:54 | * oleonard | was just going to fix one small i18n bug... |
| 20:55 | cait | oleonard: and thank you for that! |
| 20:55 | and I understand what you are saying... hm. | |
| 20:55 | are there bug reports for that? | |
| 20:57 | oleonard | I was looking at Bug 6141 and discovered these issues as I went |
| 20:57 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6141 trivial, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , html glitches causing problems to translator |
| 20:57 | cait | fix one, file bugs? |
| 20:57 | dpavlin | slef: References: or TR-Ticket header? |
| 20:57 | wizzyrea | hm members.t wants a branchcode of 's' which doesn't exist in the sample data |
| 20:58 | * wizzyrea | just made a whole new database for running tests against |
| 20:58 | wizzyrea | with all of the sample data |
| 20:58 | cait | wizzyrea++ |
| 21:00 | Brooke | hooray thanks liz :) |
| 21:00 | und nao | |
| 21:00 | kitty feeding time | |
| 21:02 | wizzyrea | so, I can either change the test to look for a branch in the sample data, or add another test branch |
| 21:02 | whaddya think | |
| 21:05 | jcamins | Use one already in the sample data. |
| 21:05 | wizzyrea | an answer, I'm for this. |
| 21:05 | :) | |
| 21:05 | jcamins | Or create a branch at the beginning of the test and remove it at the end. |
| 21:05 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 21:06 | jcamins | You didn't want an easy answer, did you? |
| 21:06 | wizzyrea | I think it's better to make sure the necessary stuff is in the sample data |
| 21:06 | perhaps a new category for "developer test data" | |
| 21:06 | rangi | a lot of the tests create and remove |
| 21:07 | becuase you have to test the create :) | |
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| 21:07 | rangi | but for branches, using the ones in the sample .. when testing say members |
| 21:07 | is a good idea | |
| 21:07 | wizzyrea | right - it looks like reserves.t is looking for a bib though, and if you don't have any... |
| 21:07 | * jcamins | personally prefers that option, because that way you don't have to keep two DB configs synced. |
| 21:08 | * wizzyrea | will fix members.t tho |
| 21:08 | wizzyrea | bc that's annoying ;) |
| 21:08 | rangi | i think i fixed it already? |
| 21:09 | wizzyrea | no, I found this problem when I was testing your patch yesterday |
| 21:09 | that it was trying to use a branchcode that didn't exist | |
| 21:09 | and was failing | |
| 21:09 | unless you fixed that | |
| 21:09 | you fixed the other thing in members.t, the real problem | |
| 21:09 | I think | |
| 21:10 | * wizzyrea | will stop talking now |
| 21:10 | rangi | ah |
| 21:11 | right, yeah feel free to change the branchcode, it uses s i think | |
| 21:11 | wizzyrea | yes, exactly |
| 21:11 | imma just change it to one that exists in the sample data | |
| 21:11 | that makes it easy | |
| 21:11 | rangi | yup |
| 21:13 | jcamins | Hm. We're still missing field 545. |
| 21:13 | Didn't I patch that? | |
| 21:14 | I did. | |
| 21:14 | Over a year ago. | |
| 21:14 | oleonard | Needs signoff |
| 21:14 | jcamins | Yep. |
| 21:14 | rangi | bug number? |
| 21:14 | jcamins | Bug 5226. |
| 21:14 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5226 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, koha, ASSIGNED , MARC21 field 545 missing |
| 21:14 | * rangi | can fix that right now |
| 21:14 | jcamins | The updatedatabase will not apply anymore. |
| 21:14 | rangi | i can fix that too |
| 21:15 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 21:15 | rangi | if you dont mind me amending your patch? |
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| 21:15 | wizzyrea | man I cannot wait for owen's patch to the search button on cataloging |
| 21:15 | jcamins | rangi: not at all. |
| 21:15 | wizzyrea: what's it do? | |
| 21:16 | wizzyrea | it makes the save button stick at the top of the screen while the page underneath it scrolls |
| 21:16 | so the save button is always visible | |
| 21:16 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 21:16 | That's pretty cool. | |
| 21:16 | rangi | oh yeah, i signed that off |
| 21:16 | wizzyrea | it is MADE OF AWESOME |
| 21:16 | (really) | |
| 21:16 | rangi | its cool |
| 21:16 | * wizzyrea | too |
| 21:16 | * cait | agrees |
| 21:16 | oleonard | Bug 7135 |
| 21:16 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7135 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , save button options |
| 21:16 | rangi | earthquake |
| 21:16 | wahanui | earthquake is on the news |
| 21:17 | cait | oh no again? |
| 21:17 | ibeardslee | ohh |
| 21:17 | wizzyrea | ooo |
| 21:17 | jcamins | Bah. Field 581 is missing too. |
| 21:17 | * oleonard | crosses his fingers |
| 21:20 | jcamins | Yikes! There were 18 eathquakes in NZ since December 1. |
| 21:20 | rangi | yeah its pretty much constant |
| 21:24 | http://geonet.org.nz/earthquak[…]ums/wel-drum.html | |
| 21:25 | liw | rangi, yikes |
| 21:25 | wizzyrea | oo |
| 21:26 | NCARMichael | Hi People. Lists...how do I control which fields appear to patrons for items in a List? |
| 21:26 | rhcl | http://scistarter.com/project/[…]ou%20Feel%20It%3F |
| 21:26 | wizzyrea | usgs does something similar |
| 21:26 | rangi | http://xkcd.com/723/ |
| 21:26 | oleonard | NCARMichael: You can't, short of customizing the template as far as I know |
| 21:26 | NCARMichael | okay, just wondered. |
| 21:27 | oleonard | NCARMichael: What change were you hoping to make? |
| 21:27 | wizzyrea | hehehehe |
| 21:27 | love that xkcd | |
| 21:27 | indradg | hi... what controls the display order of "libraries" if a search is performed across branches? is it the ASC sort of "library code" setup during defining a library? |
| 21:27 | NCARMichael | i wanted to just have a Public Note for each item in my List that described each item. |
| 21:27 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 21:28 | they are alpha usually by branch name, sometimes by branch code | |
| 21:28 | oleonard | NCARMichael: The trouble is a public note is an item-level bit of information and lists show biblio-level information (mostly) |
| 21:28 | wizzyrea | there is no definable sort |
| 21:28 | rangi | only a little one, but close and shallowish |
| 21:28 | http://geonet.org.nz/earthquak[…]uakes/latest.html | |
| 21:28 | NCARMichael | right |
| 21:28 | indradg | wizzyrea, have a look -> http://central.tnopac.gov.in/c[…]clerical+aptitude |
| 21:29 | wizzyrea, thats why I asked | |
| 21:29 | wizzyrea | not sure what you're getting at |
| 21:29 | you're sorting by relevance | |
| 21:30 | branch doesn't really factor in to that afaik | |
| 21:30 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5473] 952 fields should be filled in by Acquisitions <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5473> |
| 21:30 | jcamins | Only if you're searching by something that matches a branch name. |
| 21:30 | wizzyrea | unless I'm missing something |
| 21:30 | oh right, if you search for clerical aptitude branchname | |
| 21:31 | then it will bring back ones for that branch | |
| 21:31 | * jcamins | considers that the desired behavior. |
| 21:31 | indradg | wizzyrea, never mind... i got it... the display order is being driven by the sort listing on the right |
| 21:31 | * wizzyrea | does too |
| 21:31 | wizzyrea | oh good oki |
| 21:31 | :) | |
| 21:32 | rangi | bug 5226 signed off |
| 21:32 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5226 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, koha, ASSIGNED , MARC21 field 545 missing |
| 21:32 | jcamins | Thanks! |
| 21:32 | * jcamins | makes a mental note to find funding to put alternate cataloging interfaces into Koha. |
| 21:32 | Cul-afk left #koha | |
| 21:33 | * oleonard | waves goodbye to all |
| 21:33 | rangi | https://lh6.googleusercontent.[…]_dsc029620-01.jpg |
| 21:33 | from zoodoo last night | |
| 21:34 | cait | oh cute |
| 21:36 | NCARMichael | SQL...how does one make report results hyperlinked to bibrecords? |
| 21:36 | Let's say I want results listed by hyperlinked title | |
| 21:36 | wizzyrea | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]rts_Library#Links |
| 21:36 | jcamins | CONCAT("beginning of url", biblio.biblionumber, "end of url") |
| 21:36 | sql reports library? | |
| 21:36 | wahanui | sql reports library is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library |
| 21:36 | jcamins | wizzyrea: :P |
| 21:36 | wizzyrea | :P |
| 21:37 | links in reports is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]rts_Library#Links | |
| 21:37 | links in reports? | |
| 21:37 | wahanui | hmmm... links in reports is at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]rts_Library#Links |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | forget links in reports |
| 21:37 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot links in reports |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | links in reports is <reply> links in reports are found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]rts_Library#Links |
| 21:37 | NCARMichael | i could've figured that out myself...i just like making y'all paste links. |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 21:38 | links in reports? | |
| 21:38 | wahanui | links in reports are found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]rts_Library#Links |
| 21:38 | indradg | rangi, is that a racoon? |
| 21:38 | rangi | red panda |
| 21:38 | aka firefox | |
| 21:39 | cait | oh! |
| 21:41 | indradg | aah |
| 21:41 | jcamins | Hm. 242 doesn't show up. |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | is there some known issue with t/db_dependent/Search.t |
| 21:44 | NCARMichael | SQL runtime parameters...apparently itemtype is not the code that will give me the item type dropdown... WHERE location = <<Location|LOC>> AND itemtype = <<Item Type|itemtype>> |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | itype maybe? |
| 21:44 | jcamins | itype, I think. |
| 21:45 | NCARMichael | nope |
| 21:45 | no workie | |
| 21:45 | wizzyrea | did you happen to look at the manual |
| 21:45 | because I know they are listed | |
| 21:45 | NCARMichael | maybe items.itype? |
| 21:45 | no | |
| 21:46 | wizzyrea | itemtypes |
| 21:46 | cait | try |
| 21:46 | yes that | |
| 21:46 | wizzyrea | http://manual.koha-community.o[…]html#customreport |
| 21:46 | sekjal | what wizzyrea said |
| 21:46 | wizzyrea | section 1.1.2 |
| 21:46 | NCARMichael | bingo! |
| 21:46 | thx | |
| 21:47 | wizzyrea | the_manual++ |
| 21:47 | "The only supported dropdowns at this time are Branches (branches), Item Types (itemtypes) and Patron Categories (categorycode)." | |
| 21:48 | NCARMichael | ah, good to know |
| 21:48 | actually, i'm using LOC dropdown | |
| 21:48 | wizzyrea | it's in the manual ;) |
| 21:48 | NCARMichael | shelving location |
| 21:48 | wahanui | shelving location is now in italic underneath the library name. |
| 21:48 | wizzyrea | authorized values work too |
| 21:49 | that's in the manual too. | |
| 21:50 | * sekjal | wants to enable "date" support, so a little Javascript calendar can be added (instead of a dropdown) |
| 21:50 | sekjal | for all those date-range queries |
| 21:52 | wizzyrea | oooo |
| 21:52 | that would be cool | |
| 21:55 | indradg | groups in koha? |
| 21:55 | sekjal | okay, time to jet. night, #koha! |
| 21:55 | wizzyrea | only partially implemented iirc |
| 21:57 | NCARMichael | SQL is hard...can't get this one to work. |
| 21:57 | http://paste.koha-community.org/138 | |
| 21:58 | ideally, it'd spit out a hyperlinked list for me. | |
| 21:58 | jcamins | NCARMichael: don't use the ExtractValue. |
| 21:58 | Use biblio.title. | |
| 21:58 | NCARMichael | oh, i took this from another report i had that (sort of) works...thus the ExtractValue |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | I think the report you're looking for is in the library |
| 21:58 | sql reports library? | |
| 21:58 | wahanui | sql reports library is probably at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library |
| 21:58 | jcamins | Oh, yeah, it is. |
| 21:59 | NCARMichael | i not see it |
| 21:59 | wizzyrea | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]brary#Items_with_.22X.22_.26_.22Y.22_ITypes |
| 22:00 | NCARMichael | hm...okay, i'll plug it in. |
| 22:00 | wizzyrea | that may not be exactly what you want |
| 22:00 | bu it's pretty close | |
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| 22:04 | rangi | hmm how do you allow ppl to choose pre due messages i wonder, hmmm ill go check the manual |
| 22:05 | cait | what's the question? |
| 22:05 | message preferences? | |
| 22:06 | rangi | well i can see prefs for item checkout |
| 22:06 | hold filled | |
| 22:06 | item check in | |
| 22:06 | cait | advance notice |
| 22:06 | NCARMichael | okay, "items with x and y itypes"...Koha won't even save it for me. Error. |
| 22:07 | wizzyrea | space at the beginning? |
| 22:07 | rangi | but i want to let them choose pre due ones |
| 22:07 | NCARMichael | let's see |
| 22:07 | cait | should be in there |
| 22:07 | rangi | hmm |
| 22:07 | cait | it's not configurable |
| 22:07 | which leaves | |
| 22:07 | jquery, javascript or entries missing from the database table | |
| 22:07 | wizzyrea | isn't it on the patron detail |
| 22:07 | rangi | not loaded in from db or something |
| 22:07 | yeah it should be wizzyrea | |
| 22:07 | but its not | |
| 22:07 | NCARMichael | ah, ok. now i'm closer. |
| 22:07 | cait | should be 5 entries |
| 22:08 | rangi | this is an 3.2.11 one |
| 22:08 | cait | advanced notice, item due, hold, check out, check in |
| 22:08 | rangi | but upgraded from 2.2.5 |
| 22:08 | cait | should be still there |
| 22:08 | wizzyrea | ohh |
| 22:08 | rangi | so it might have not got added |
| 22:08 | cait | 3.2.11 had those features |
| 22:08 | wizzyrea | enhancedmessagingpreferences is on? |
| 22:08 | rangi | yup |
| 22:08 | i see 3 | |
| 22:08 | not 5 | |
| 22:09 | cait | message_attributes |
| 22:09 | wahanui | i think message_attributes is just a list of all the patron-controllable messages in the system |
| 22:09 | cait | chekc the table |
| 22:09 | rangi | never mind ill figure it out its the db no doubt |
| 22:16 | wizzyrea | rangi |
| 22:16 | I think item due is pre-due | |
| 22:16 | NCARMichael | still struggling here... |
| 22:16 | http://paste.koha-community.org/139 | |
| 22:16 | cait | hm no |
| 22:16 | item due is item due | |
| 22:16 | NCARMichael | how do i squeeze that concat in there |
| 22:16 | rangi | Advance Notice |
| 22:16 | cait | pre due is advance notice |
| 22:16 | * wizzyrea | doesn't have pre due either |
| 22:16 | rangi | yep, found it in the db |
| 22:16 | wizzyrea | oh advance |
| 22:17 | we should call it that :P | |
| 22:17 | cait | you can rename it, but be consistent |
| 22:17 | wizzyrea | no no |
| 22:17 | it is called advance, not pre-due | |
| 22:17 | * wizzyrea | was looking for pre-due |
| 22:17 | wizzyrea | derp. |
| 22:19 | rangi | well its called predue in some places |
| 22:19 | wizzyrea | NCARMichael: http://paste.koha-community.org/140 but I haven't tested it. |
| 22:20 | NCARMichael | thx |
| 22:20 | wizzyrea | oh wait |
| 22:20 | I see a problem already | |
| 22:20 | oh, wait again, never mind. lol | |
| 22:21 | cait | rangi: it is? |
| 22:21 | NCARMichael | shouldn't there be a comma after biblio.biblionumber? before CONCAT? |
| 22:21 | anyway, i'll test it | |
| 22:21 | rangi | in the notices it is |
| 22:21 | cait | oh |
| 22:21 | rangi | nstaller/data/mysql/en/mandatory/sample_notices.sql:('circulation','PREDUE','Advance Notice of Item Due','Advance Notice of Item Due','Dear <<borrowers.firstname>> <<borrowers.surname>>,\r\n\r\nThe following item will be due soon:\r\n\r\n<<biblio.title>>, <<biblio.author>> (<<items.barcode>>)'), |
| 22:21 | wizzyrea | ah yea |
| 22:21 | rangi | so you assign a PREDUE to the Advanced Notice |
| 22:22 | just to be nice and clear and not at all confusing ;) | |
| 22:22 | NCARMichael | ooh! i think this is working! |
| 22:23 | i hate reports, until they work. | |
| 22:25 | thank the Wiz | |
| 22:25 | jcamins | Okay, time to head downtown-ish. |
| 22:25 | Have a good night, #koha. | |
| 22:25 | cait | bye jcamins :) |
| 22:25 | jcamins_away | Late lunch. |
| 22:30 | wizzyrea | @later tell paul_p I can't seem to get test 4 of db_dependent/Search.t to complete - do I need something special in my db? |
| 22:30 | huginn` | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:31 | cait | night :) |
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| 22:42 | rangi | wizzyrea++ |
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| 22:58 | rangi | wizzyrea: yo! |
| 22:58 | i already fixed record.t | |
| 22:58 | wizzyrea | oh, ha |
| 22:58 | rangi | on bug 7141 |
| 22:58 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7141 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, ASSIGNED , The biblio details page in the intranet doesn't work if XSLT is activated and the xsl file contains " " |
| 22:58 | rangi | which was the one that changed the format :) |
| 22:58 | wizzyrea | phew. |
| 22:58 | great minds I guess. | |
| 22:58 | rangi | :) |
| 22:59 | wizzyrea | and I even signed off on that |
| 22:59 | wow. | |
| 22:59 | time to go I guess lol. | |
| 22:59 | rangi | lol |
| 23:22 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 23:22 | huginn` | chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 15.0°C (6:15 PM EST on December 07, 2011). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.64 in 1004 hPa (Falling). |
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| 23:23 | moodaepo | @wunder 56001 |
| 23:23 | huginn` | moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is -3.4°C (5:23 PM CST on December 07, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Rising). |
| 23:24 | libsysguy joined #koha | |
| 23:24 | libsysguy | seen jcamins_away |
| 23:24 | wahanui | jcamins_away was last seen on #koha 59 minutes and 19 seconds ago, saying: Late lunch. [Wed Dec 7 22:25:23 2011] |
| 23:26 | libsysguy | seen gmcharlt |
| 23:26 | wahanui | gmcharlt was last seen on #koha 5 days, 7 hours, 57 minutes and 18 seconds ago, saying: @quote random [Fri Dec 2 15:29:27 2011] |
| 23:27 | libsysguy | @later tell gmcharlt thanks for the MARC::Charset package on CPAN |
| 23:27 | huginn` | libsysguy: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:35 | Judit | good morning |
| 23:40 | wizzyrea | right so Serials.t requires at least one subscription in your test db |
| 23:41 | and 1 bib to attach that to. | |
| 23:41 | rangi | right, its probably going to have to make those then at least eh subscription |
| 23:41 | eh=the | |
| 23:42 | wizzyrea | right |
| 23:54 | huginn` | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 7333] Cleaning up tests to use sample data <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7333> / [Bug 7331] Circulation.pl generates errors in the log <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7331> |
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