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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:29 | mtj | rangi: yeah, thats my favourite bit too |
| 00:29 | its very relevant to the Koha project | |
| 00:47 | chris_n2 joined #koha | |
| 00:52 | melia left #koha | |
| 00:52 | rangi | mtj: i concur |
| 00:54 | chris_n2 | heya rangi |
| 00:54 | rangi | heya chris_n2 :) hows things? |
| 00:54 | chris_n2 | too busy |
| 00:54 | rangi | figured :) |
| 01:20 | chris_n2 | ok, off to sleep so I can stay awake during the meeting in a few hours :-) |
| 01:21 | rangi | :) |
| 01:21 | sleep well | |
| 02:54 | mtj | Koha repo on bitbucket -> https://bitbucket.org/koha/koha/overview |
| 02:54 | rangi | oh cool |
| 02:55 | mtj | spread the aroha round... |
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| 02:58 | druthb joined #koha | |
| 02:58 | druthb | o/ |
| 03:00 | mtj | heya druthb |
| 03:00 | druthb | hi, mtj. :D |
| 03:12 | rangi | heya druthb |
| 03:14 | eythian | http://meyerweb.com/eric/thoug[…]for-mark-pilgrim/ <-- Mark "Dive Into *" Pilgrim seems to have pulled a _why. |
| 03:16 | rangi | yeah |
| 03:23 | eythian | wahanui: \where \is he is also <reply>He \is INSIDE the computer! |
| 03:23 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 03:23 | eythian | where is he? |
| 03:23 | wahanui | he is gone again |
| 03:23 | eythian | where is he? |
| 03:23 | wahanui | he is gone again |
| 03:23 | eythian | where is he |
| 03:23 | wahanui | well, he is gone again |
| 03:23 | eythian | odd |
| 03:23 | wahanui: literal \where is he | |
| 03:23 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 03:23 | * druthb | waves to rangi and eythian |
| 03:23 | eythian | hrm |
| 03:23 | hiya | |
| 03:24 | rangi | hmm |
| 03:25 | how do a i type an acute | |
| 03:25 | an e with one | |
| 03:25 | eythian | é |
| 03:25 | like that | |
| 03:25 | rangi | cut and paste |
| 03:25 | eythian | compose-e-' |
| 03:25 | rangi | that works :) |
| 03:25 | ta | |
| 03:25 | eythian | :) |
| 03:40 | wahanui: you heard me is <reply>Doesn't mean I was paying attention, $who | |
| 03:40 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 03:40 | eythian | wahanui: you heard me |
| 03:40 | wahanui | eythian: huh? |
| 03:40 | eythian | wahanui: \you heard me is <reply>Doesn't mean I was paying attention, $who |
| 03:40 | wahanui | i already had it that way, eythian. |
| 03:40 | eythian | no wahanui, \you heard me is <reply>Doesn't mean I was paying attention, $who |
| 03:40 | wahanui | i already had it that way, eythian. |
| 03:40 | eythian | wahanui: you heard me |
| 03:40 | wahanui | eythian: excuse me? |
| 03:40 | * eythian | is having no botluck today |
| 03:42 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6895] Diacritics in Pootle/po files are broken in source text <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6895> |
| 03:48 | druthb | rangi: thanks for the push on Bug 6867. :) Glad to get that one whipped. |
| 03:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6867 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, ruth, ASSIGNED , datelastseen is not imported from marc file |
| 03:49 | rangi | no worries |
| 03:49 | was easy to test | |
| 03:49 | druthb | :) |
| 03:49 | * druthb | likes lil patches. |
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| 05:11 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 05:11 | eythian | hi cait |
| 05:11 | cait | morning mr robin :) |
| 05:11 | ah sorry | |
| 05:11 | evening | |
| 05:12 | eythian | how's things? |
| 05:20 | cait | hm still dark outside |
| 05:20 | not used to the shorter days yet | |
| 05:21 | eythian | still light outside. Not used to that either. |
| 05:21 | cait | and how's things on the other side? |
| 05:21 | hehe | |
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| 05:42 | wajasu | i did a git clone against git master. i am going to try to submit a patch, but its basically the same 1 line change: adding utf8::downgrade($line); before the $pdf->Add($line); so that the 2 byte unicode C3BC will get written as FC and the todays Latin font based PDFs will map the FC to udiaresis. |
| 05:43 | eythian | It's still worth submitting so that it gets tested and follows the patch workflow stuff properly |
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| 05:47 | wajasu | the original bug2499 really describes supporting foreign languages in PDFs. my patch would just let current Latin1 standard fonts in the PDF spec work better. |
| 05:47 | ropuch | Morning #koha |
| 05:50 | cait | hi ropuch :) |
| 05:56 | wajasu | I could try coding a new label-create-pdf.pl that supported truetype, which i also got working but i need to draw the text differently, plus i'd need a new column to support the path to be used to embed. |
| 05:57 | i'm wondering if you are really looking to support solr. i am a java guys and could knock that out for ya. | |
| 05:58 | rangi | dont think it requires any hacking of java, and its in one of biblibres branches already |
| 05:59 | its just using the api | |
| 05:59 | wajasu | ok. |
| 05:59 | ropuch | cait: I'v got Lokalize plugin that properly display file:line in which translated term is [; |
| 05:59 | rangi | what needs to be done for it to go in koha, is it needs to not break zebra support |
| 05:59 | thats the bit that is waiting | |
| 06:01 | wajasu | to support the z3950 services? |
| 06:01 | rangi | to still be able to use zebra for indexing |
| 06:01 | for those who want | |
| 06:02 | theres no reason it can't support both and users choose | |
| 06:02 | kulps | Hey folks, I've finally started to import our books to the hackerspace's library and was wondering if there is a way (either built in or by extension) to show random books on the OPAC main screen? Or to be able to browse all books? |
| 06:02 | wajasu | true. |
| 06:04 | eythian | kulps: there's scripts floating around to show new stuff, a bit of hacking they could to random stuff. |
| 06:04 | *do | |
| 06:05 | kulps | hmm, where should I start looking? In the forums or the wiki, somewhere else? |
| 06:06 | cait | hm i think oleonard's blog has one solution |
| 06:06 | owen's blog | |
| 06:06 | wahanui | owen's blog is http://www.myacpl.org/koha/ |
| 06:10 | wajasu | since utf8 supports more 1112064 codepoints (1-4 8bit bytes), maybe the pdf creators should just embed a unicode font. Are we restricting chars to be <256 ascii code? do may marc21/xml records contain foreign language characters? |
| 06:10 | ropuch | kulps: an there was Nicholas van Rheede van Oudtshoorn (huh) post on koha-devel |
| 06:11 | cait | not sure about the question? |
| 06:11 | we have hebre and all that, french have lots of diacritics | |
| 06:11 | kulps | ropuch, do you maybe have a link? |
| 06:11 | rangi | arabic too |
| 06:11 | cait | hebrew |
| 06:11 | yeah, koha is very international | |
| 06:11 | ropuch | kulps: http://comments.gmane.org/gman[…]s.koha.devel/6574 |
| 06:11 | cait | this is a blocker bug for lots of people |
| 06:12 | eythian | I'm a little surprised there's no standard unicode font for PDF |
| 06:12 | kulps | ropuch, thanks very much. I'll give it a whirl. |
| 06:12 | ropuch | cait: but afair it's your libraray with this nice virtual keyboard solution? |
| 06:12 | wajasu | so even if I patch the diacritics for latin1 (iso8859-1) folks want their own diacritics. |
| 06:13 | cait | ropuch: yes, they have hebrew records |
| 06:14 | alex_a | hello #koha |
| 06:14 | wajasu | now that I've read the pdf spec and know way too much, i might give it a shot, embedding the trutype font. |
| 06:14 | my library is academic and lots of german, swedish, jewish, arabic authors. | |
| 06:15 | cait | ropuch: I have put the code for the screen keyboard on the wiki :) |
| 06:15 | ropuch | cait: I stil have the code from you somewhere [; |
| 06:16 | kulps | also, the wiki doesnt mention how to configure Koha for LDAP authentication, is there a seperate guide somewhere? |
| 06:18 | hmm | |
| 06:18 | wait | |
| 06:18 | maybe I found something | |
| 06:18 | eythian | there's guides around, I'm pretty sure |
| 06:19 | cait | ropuch: :) |
| 06:20 | ropuch: tidied it up a little, the page is here:http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]C_screen_keyboard | |
| 06:20 | kulps: there is something on the bywater blog | |
| 06:21 | http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]work-in-koha-3-4/ | |
| 06:22 | kulps | thanks |
| 06:23 | I'm not sure I'll be strong at ldap by the time I'm done integrating everything with it, but I'll certainly be beter | |
| 06:23 | ropuch | cait: bookmarks updated ;) |
| 06:23 | cait | :) |
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| 06:25 | kulps | cait, is bywater a koha consulting group? |
| 06:26 | cait | it's a koha support provider |
| 06:27 | kulps: http://koha-community.org/support/paid-support/ | |
| 06:30 | wajasu | i had tried my 3.02 library labels, and also with3.4.4 and HEAD, and it seems the 1st line in my librarians template is missing. does anyone remember something like that happening. where after an upgrade the label templates needed rework. |
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| 06:37 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:49 | rangi | hi reiveune |
| 06:49 | reiveune | hi rangi |
| 06:51 | rangi | morning magnuse |
| 06:52 | magnuse | kia ora rangi |
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| 07:12 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:13 | magnuse | guten morgen kf and #koha |
| 07:14 | rangi | wb kf |
| 07:14 | magnuse | meeting in 3 hours minus 15 minutes, right? http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g,_5_October_2011 |
| 07:15 | kf | yep |
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| 07:29 | kf | mtj: around? |
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| 07:34 | Oak | Guten Tag kf |
| 07:34 | hello #koha | |
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| 07:36 | kf | hi Oak :) |
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| 08:34 | wajasu | ok. i sent a patch for bug 2246. my code change(1 line) to comments ratio is pretty high though :) |
| 08:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2246 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters |
| 08:34 | kf | wajasu: I commented - I am a bit confused |
| 08:34 | becasue to my knowledge umlauts work | |
| 08:35 | other thigns like cyrillic failed for me, but the umlauts I had tested | |
| 08:35 | like your example: Jürgen | |
| 08:35 | wajasu | really. for barcode labels? |
| 08:35 | kf | yeah, I put a comment into the bug |
| 08:36 | comment 8 | |
| 08:36 | wajasu | yeah. i see |
| 08:37 | i am trying to understand why my umlauts weren't working. | |
| 08:37 | maybe its how my data got imported into koha from a legacy pc library system. | |
| 08:38 | kf | perhaps it's a different character - I am using a german keyboard of course |
| 08:38 | wajasu | maybe my database holds encoded U+C3BC and thats what is passing through, so the latin1 mapping wasn't working. |
| 08:38 | kf | if you use u + .. for typing, it might be different |
| 08:39 | could be | |
| 08:39 | perhaps worth a test | |
| 08:39 | wajasu | it was a computer program that converted to marcxml, then imported. |
| 08:39 | kf | you could try copying 'jürgen' |
| 08:42 | wajasu | maybe i should export a marc record to see how it gets encoded in marcxml. |
| 08:44 | I'll look into editing a bib with jürgen to see if thats a problem. my problem is with records that are already imported from 2 years ago and that were pulled from z3950 servers initially. | |
| 08:45 | kf | wajasu: often the normalization form is different than |
| 08:45 | making it u + dots | |
| 08:45 | shows wrong in some browsers like firefox too | |
| 08:45 | the dots are not right above the u but a little bit too much right | |
| 08:46 | wajasu | i think i used a marc4j library when i wrote the import program from the old DOS based proprietary library software. |
| 08:47 | i converted to marcxml, then imported. I had to add holding, etc. Things show fine in the web browser. | |
| 08:48 | maybe i should export my marcxml record, and attach it to the bug? tommorrow. | |
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| 08:50 | wajasu | anyway the PDF had two bytes C3BC and showed as two chars. but after the patch, the C3BC becomes FC -> ü |
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| 08:52 | wajasu | maybe my pdf viewer, which is linux okular, doesn't have some sort of mapping table from C3BC -> FC, too many point of conversion (browser->apache->perl->DB->perl->pdf) |
| 08:53 | kf | wajasu: you should talk to chris_n about it |
| 08:53 | i think the big plan is to move away from pdf | |
| 08:53 | to html | |
| 08:53 | and there might be work in progress somewhere you could built on | |
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| 08:54 | wajasu | yeah. i saw web based css might be a doable these days. |
| 08:54 | magnuse | good morning sekjal |
| 08:54 | sekjal | morning, magnuse |
| 08:55 | meeting's happening soon, right? | |
| 08:55 | magnuse | in an hour |
| 08:55 | wajasu | 4am here |
| 08:55 | sekjal | ah |
| 08:56 | this is not the first time daylight savings time has pulled one over on me. | |
| 08:56 | kf | oh |
| 08:56 | and you got up too early? :( | |
| 08:56 | sekjal | I'll be back in an hour, then |
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| 09:09 | ropuch | Huh, if only I had found this batch marc retrieve script |
| 09:09 | [; | |
| 09:10 | Such time saving | |
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| 09:13 | jransom | evening all |
| 09:14 | ropuch | Hi jransom |
| 09:14 | magnuse | kia ora jransom! |
| 09:14 | jransom: how's te takere coming along? | |
| 09:15 | jransom | this is interesting - I can't read anything (though it says someone mentioned my name) |
| 09:15 | and cant see my typing | |
| 09:16 | jransom joined #koha | |
| 09:16 | magnuse | better now, jransom? |
| 09:16 | jransom | yes :) |
| 09:17 | hello Magnus | |
| 09:17 | magnuse | cool! |
| 09:17 | kf | uhoh |
| 09:17 | jransom | oh nuts - |
| 09:17 | kf | ah, my scrolling is broken |
| 09:17 | jransom | gone again |
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| 09:19 | hdl | magnuse: kf do you have 3.4 or 3.6 in production ? |
| 09:19 | Don you have problems with checkin checkout status ? | |
| 09:19 | It appears that when editing an item, modzebraqueue is not called any longer. | |
| 09:20 | kf | hdl: no we haven't - 3.2.2 still - once the i18n things are fixed we plan to update |
| 09:20 | magnuse | hdl: i have 3.4.2 in production, but have not heard of any problems |
| 09:20 | kf | hdl: I didn't notice any problems in our tests, we are testing with 3.4.5 right now |
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| 09:22 | rangi | nekls use it in production, as do some of our libraries, havent heard anything from them |
| 09:23 | magnuse | wow, Patron Import does not want to be my friend today... |
| 09:24 | kf | errors? |
| 09:24 | or only taking forever | |
| 09:25 | magnuse | lots of "Header row could not be parsed" |
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| 09:27 | jransom | this time maybe |
| 09:27 | yes! | |
| 09:27 | magnuse | jransom: time to consider getting a "proper" irc client, perhaps? ;-) |
| 09:27 | jransom | maybe i need an ircr the android .. |
| 09:27 | irc app | |
| 09:28 | kf | magnuse: hmmmm |
| 09:28 | do you have patron attributes? | |
| 09:28 | are you providing a borrowernumber? | |
| 09:28 | magnuse | nope |
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| 09:29 | kf | wb joransom :) |
| 09:29 | magnuse: borrowernumber? | |
| 09:29 | magnuse | the borrowernumber was empty, but i removed it - didn't help |
| 09:29 | jransom | heya Katrin |
| 09:29 | kf | magnuse: no, don't make it empty, give it something |
| 09:29 | not sure about current version, but 3.2.2 doesn't like no borrowernumber | |
| 09:29 | magnuse | ok |
| 09:29 | joransom | test |
| 09:29 | kf | although it's not using it (don't ask me, it makes no sense) |
| 09:29 | I normally count from 1 to something | |
| 09:31 | magnuse | hm, that might have worked |
| 09:32 | so you just gibe it something and that's overwritten/replaced? | |
| 09:37 | kf: worked for the first one, but not when i tried with another patron... weird | |
| 09:37 | kf | hmmm |
| 09:37 | how do your lines end? | |
| 09:37 | and you are using different borrowernumbers, right? | |
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| 09:38 | kf | and still the same error message? |
| 09:39 | magnuse: yes, give it something | |
| 09:39 | magnuse | lines end with a " - yes, different borrowernumbers - yes same error |
| 09:39 | kf | magnuse: I don't think providing a borrowernumber makes any sense, but it's ilke it worked for me in the past |
| 09:39 | hmmm | |
| 09:40 | could you show my 2 anonymized lines? | |
| 09:40 | and your header? | |
| 09:41 | magnuse | one patron worked, then i replaced that with another, without touching the header, and it says it can't parse the header... |
| 09:42 | chris_n2 | mtj: is kohaaloha having server problems? |
| 09:42 | kf | doubled up cardnumbers? |
| 09:42 | anything in the log file? | |
| 09:43 | hi chris_n2 :) | |
| 09:43 | chris_n2 | heya kf |
| 09:43 | * chris_n2 | reaches for the coffee pot :-) |
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| 09:51 | Brooke | CRC Helman reporting for duty! Just do not let me call cadence! |
| 09:51 | jransom | babe! |
| 09:51 | * Brooke | salutes jransom. |
| 09:51 | * chris_n2 | salutes |
| 09:51 | chris_n2 | wow, that's pretty good for this time of the morning :) |
| 09:52 | Brooke | I went from wanting to shoot things to wanting to do heavy duty maths |
| 09:52 | kf | ? |
| 09:52 | Brooke | State Aid reprogrammed me |
| 09:52 | 4 AM carpool! | |
| 09:53 | * chris_n2 | remembers the 4am carpool thing :P |
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| 09:53 | Brooke | "centrally located Worcester." |
| 09:53 | chris_n2 | I did mine to Fairfax and Alexandria |
| 09:53 | Brooke | from? |
| 09:54 | chris_n2 | Culpeper |
| 09:54 | Brooke | could be worse |
| 09:54 | that's rather good though :) | |
| 09:54 | this was Albany NY to a parking lot in Springfield MA to Worcester. | |
| 09:54 | chris_n2 | ich |
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| 09:54 | Brooke | 0/ |
| 09:55 | chris_n2 | howdy paul_p_ |
| 09:55 | paul_p_ | hi chris_n2 & Brooke |
| 09:56 | Brooke, a private question before the meeting start. How did you do to book the hotel in mumbai ? I sent emails, but have no feedback (I try to book at the same hotel as you) | |
| 09:56 | rangi | eythian is all booked, i could ask him tomorrow, (he got all his confirmation stuff including a shuttle from the airport to the hotel) |
| 09:56 | Brooke | I booked by email, but I also phoned at one point. |
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| 09:58 | paul_p_ | Brooke, which email did you use ? 2nd question: did you book a suite with a supplementary bed for you 3 ? something else ? |
| 09:58 | (as we're 3 too, we may do like you) | |
| 09:58 | Brooke | it's meant to be a suite with an extra bed |
| 09:58 | and I will mail you details after the meeting | |
| 09:59 | because I've a bus to drive soon. | |
| 09:59 | paul_p_ | Brooke, ok. It means you wont be there for the meeting ? |
| 09:59 | starts now isn't it ? | |
| 10:00 | Brooke | no it means I'm chairing and don't feel like fishing through email |
| 10:00 | #startmeetikng | |
| 10:00 | #startmeeting | |
| 10:00 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Oct 5 10:00:22 2011 UTC. The chair is Brooke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 10:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. | |
| 10:00 | Brooke | #topic Introductions |
| 10:00 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions | |
| 10:00 | paul_p_ | Brooke, ok |
| 10:00 | ropuch | #help |
| 10:00 | Brooke | Haere Mai! |
| 10:01 | introduce yourselves using #info if you want the minutes to show you were here | |
| 10:01 | kf | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
| 10:01 | slef | #info MJ Ray, http://www.software.coop |
| 10:01 | chris_n2 | #info Chris Nighswonger, FBC, 3.4.x Release Maintainer |
| 10:01 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 10:01 | jransom | #info Joann Ransom HLT, NZ |
| 10:01 | sekjal | #info Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions, 3.6 QAM |
| 10:01 | ColinC | #info Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe Ltd |
| 10:01 | paul_p_ | #info Paul Poulain, BibLibre |
| 10:01 | ropuch | #info Piotr Wejman, CSNE Library, Poland |
| 10:01 | magnuse | #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 10:01 | rangi | #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT |
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| 10:03 | Brooke | apparently we have a placeholder on freenode |
| 10:03 | #topic Roadmap to 3.4 | |
| 10:03 | Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to 3.4 | |
| 10:04 | Brooke | chris squared? |
| 10:04 | chris_n2 | everything is moving along well with 3.4 maintenance |
| 10:04 | the 3.4.6 will move out on the 22nd of this month | |
| 10:04 | the plan is to keep releasing as long as we have a flow of patches for 3.4.x | |
| 10:05 | thanks to everyone for all of the good work! | |
| 10:05 | and that's it | |
| 10:05 | Brooke | everyone++ |
| 10:05 | any questions? | |
| 10:05 | kf | chris_n++ |
| 10:05 | Brooke | #topic Roadmap to 3.6 |
| 10:05 | Topic for #koha is now Roadmap to 3.6 | |
| 10:06 | rangi | we are in feature freeze, string freeze starts very soon |
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| 10:06 | rangi | to be ready for the release on the 22nd |
| 10:06 | if you want stuff in, get it signed off asap | |
| 10:06 | paul_p_ | I've added a specific point yesterday, about BZ5877, let me know when I start speaking of it |
| 10:06 | kf | soon was 8th? |
| 10:07 | rangi | yup |
| 10:07 | 2 weeks for translators | |
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| 10:07 | rangi | bugs that dont introduce new strings will still be pushed, and any security ones |
| 10:07 | paul_p_ | #info String freeze for 3.6 in 3 days (oct, 8th) |
| 10:07 | kf | fredericd: around? |
| 10:08 | paul_p_ | kf, fredericd works on french translation like a mad ;-) |
| 10:08 | kf | was wondering if fredericd can update pootle |
| 10:08 | at this date | |
| 10:08 | Brooke | #help fredericd to update pootle |
| 10:08 | kf | there are no 3.6 folders yet where you can upload your files |
| 10:08 | rangi | yep, as soon as after the 8th would be great |
| 10:08 | paul_p_ | kf, right |
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| 10:09 | * chris_n2 | suggests delaying the 3.4.6 release a day or two in light of the 3.6.0 release on the 22nd |
| 10:09 | kf | +1 |
| 10:09 | paul_p_ | #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre, France, applied as QA assistant for 3.8 |
| 10:09 | rangi | +1 |
| 10:09 | * clrh | #info Claire Hernandez, BibLibre |
| 10:10 | Brooke | so let's see bug 5877 |
| 10:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5877 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Offline circulation improvements : upload all files, apply at once |
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| 10:10 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens Count Public Libraries |
| 10:10 | rangi | Brooke: did we want to see if any more votes for delaying 3.4.6 ? |
| 10:11 | paul_p_ | owen has tested the bug, is probably about to signoff, and is suggesting to add KOCT firefox plugin to git. I agree it's a good idea, and was suggesting to have a dedicated git project for it |
| 10:11 | Brooke | fine vote on then :) |
| 10:11 | thd | +1 |
| 10:11 | Brooke | please use vote instead of suggest or message me or summat. I'll be barreling through this stuff. It's a long agenda. |
| 10:11 | paul_p_ | oups, sorry, I missed that chris_n2 called for a vote. +1 for me |
| 10:12 | oleonard | My suggestion was that it be in git somewhere, and having its own dedicated project is one option |
| 10:12 | kf | #agreed delaying the 3.4.6 release a day or two in light of the 3.6.0 release on the 22nd |
| 10:12 | no votes against ;) | |
| 10:12 | Brooke | ty |
| 10:12 | * chris_n2 | gets to sleep in that saturday now ;-) |
| 10:12 | kf | :) |
| 10:13 | I think the firefox plugin might change with new versions of firefox, different timeline than koha has | |
| 10:13 | so having it on the public repo but as a separate project does make sense to me | |
| 10:13 | magnuse | +1 |
| 10:13 | chris_n2 | +1 |
| 10:13 | paul_p_ | kf, the plugin is very small, until now we had nothing to change, but it's the main reason = be able to release ne versions of the plugin when needed |
| 10:14 | s/ne versions/new versions/ | |
| 10:14 | +1 from me, of course ;-) | |
| 10:15 | christophe_c | #info Christophe Croullebois, BibLibre |
| 10:15 | hi | |
| 10:15 | slef | +1 from me - any chance of bringing the extensions web page back in some form, for that sort of thing? |
| 10:15 | kf | I think that page needs someone to host it probably |
| 10:16 | christophe_c | +1 |
| 10:16 | Brooke | #idea bring back the extensions web page |
| 10:17 | paul_p_ | not sure we need to bring back the extensions page, it could just be a page on koha-community.org (or was it what you were thinking of ?) |
| 10:17 | rangi | yup, we can point the dns anywhere just need someone to set up the site and maintain it |
| 10:17 | chris_n2 | are we talking about an entirely different project? ie different webpage, wiki, etc? |
| 10:17 | slef | I wonder if the directory plugin used on the main site for support directory could do a directory of extensions. I'll go look |
| 10:17 | paul_p_ | (because iirc, we had an independant website) |
| 10:17 | chris_n2 | or just a different repo on git.kc.org? |
| 10:17 | slef | yeah, we used to have an independant website, but we're already a bit stretched for admins IMO |
| 10:17 | paul_p_ | chris_n, I think we need a different repo and a specific webpage to speak of the module |
| 10:17 | (explain how to install it...) | |
| 10:18 | kf | paul_p: different repo is agreed on I think - presentation to be decided |
| 10:18 | having it in the official firefox plugin directory woudl be good too | |
| 10:18 | Brooke | #idea listed on the firefox directory |
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| 10:19 | paul_p_ | kf, it's already in the ff directory |
| 10:19 | (or i missed something) | |
| 10:19 | oleonard | Yes it is |
| 10:19 | hdl | it is not certified though |
| 10:19 | Brooke | I smell a link. |
| 10:19 | paul_p_ | please welcome asaurat, which is Adrien, new BibLibreros, that started on monday. |
| 10:19 | oleonard | KOCT? |
| 10:19 | wahanui | KOCT is Koha Offline Circulation Tool or https://addons.mozilla.org/en-[…]refox/addon/koct/ |
| 10:19 | Brooke | ta |
| 10:19 | paul_p_ | wow ! wahanui is usesull ! great day !!! |
| 10:19 | hdl | #info Henri-Damien LAURENT biblibre |
| 10:20 | Brooke | we talked out on this bug? |
| 10:20 | kf | welcome asaurat :) |
| 10:20 | paul_p_ | I think it's OK. The remaining question being = who create git.koha-community.org/koct.git ? |
| 10:20 | rangi, can you ? | |
| 10:21 | rangi | gmcharlt can |
| 10:21 | paul_p_ | ok, i'll ask him if he don't read the logs of the meeting |
| 10:21 | slef | paul_p_: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_administrators_4 says hdl can? |
| 10:21 | asaurat | thx kf :) |
| 10:22 | #info Adrien Saurat, BibLibre | |
| 10:22 | Brooke | #topic Voting on Roles for 3.8 |
| 10:22 | Topic for #koha is now Voting on Roles for 3.8 | |
| 10:22 | Brooke | moving on from the minutia of the agreed upon... |
| 10:23 | kf | #agreed create a new project on git.koha-community.org for the KOCT firefox plugin |
| 10:23 | Brooke | arright |
| 10:23 | let's go for low lying fruit | |
| 10:23 | slef | (bum! I don't have permissions on the directory plugin on the website at the mo, so I can't tell if we could use that for extensions - sorry) |
| 10:23 | paul_p_ | #agreed paul suggest git.koha-community.org/koct.git as name |
| 10:24 | Brooke | okie dokie |
| 10:24 | doing this from the bottom to the top, cause I can. | |
| 10:25 | votes for and again me for Bus Driver | |
| 10:25 | hdl | slef: it says also that chris can... |
| 10:25 | magnuse | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.8 |
| 10:25 | paul_p_ | "bus driver" = is it just a joke, or there's some english subtilty i miss ? |
| 10:25 | Brooke | nope |
| 10:25 | jransom | person in charge |
| 10:25 | Brooke | I'd like community assent for chairing |
| 10:25 | jransom | gets us places |
| 10:26 | thd | +1 Brooke driving on both sides of the road |
| 10:26 | Brooke | I don't feel like I was ever given it and it freaks me out |
| 10:26 | jransom | +1 for brooke being the shepherd |
| 10:26 | magnuse | +1 then |
| 10:26 | paul_p_ | +1 too |
| 10:26 | ColinC | +1 |
| 10:26 | rangi | +1 |
| 10:26 | ropuch | +1 |
| 10:26 | slef | +1 |
| 10:26 | chris_n2 | +1 |
| 10:26 | kf | +1 |
| 10:26 | now we need an agreed :) | |
| 10:26 | sekjal | +1 |
| 10:26 | Brooke | #agreed I'm stuck with this for now. |
| 10:26 | chris_n2 | lol |
| 10:27 | Brooke | #info Packaging Manager |
| 10:27 | fredericd | #info Frédéric Demians, Tamil |
| 10:27 | paul_p_ | Brooke, what about going back to 3.6 and ask the question to fredericd ? |
| 10:27 | Brooke | did this need to be a single person or is it valid to have both Mason and Robin? |
| 10:27 | kf | #agreed Brooke is elected to chair the meetings (Bus driver) |
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| 10:27 | Brooke | Paul I'd rather not. |
| 10:27 | paul_p_ | ok |
| 10:27 | will ask him privately | |
| 10:28 | kf | I think both are not here right now :( |
| 10:28 | magnuse | i think it makes sense to have 1 person in charge of creating the official packages? |
| 10:29 | Brooke | yeah I'm skippin this for now until one or the other shows, hopefully both |
| 10:29 | kf | not sure they will |
| 10:29 | only getting later for nz | |
| 10:29 | Brooke | indeed |
| 10:29 | paul_p_ | they're sleeping |
| 10:30 | Brooke | #info need clarification on Packaging Manager; might have to wait for next meeting. |
| 10:30 | paul_p_ | I think magnuse is quite right = 1 person make sense for packaging |
| 10:30 | rangi | i vote eythian in charge, mtj as sidekick |
| 10:30 | * thd | sleeps at the keyboard regularly |
| 10:30 | kf | rangi: agreed |
| 10:30 | paul_p_ | except if one packages for Debian, one for RedHat for example |
| 10:30 | chris_n2 | rangi: +1 |
| 10:30 | magnuse | rangi: +1 |
| 10:30 | Brooke | okie dokie rangi has moved for Robin with MTJ as a helper |
| 10:30 | magnuse | +1 |
| 10:31 | paul_p_ | +1 |
| 10:31 | jransom | +1 |
| 10:31 | christophe_c | +1 |
| 10:31 | sekjal | +1 |
| 10:31 | thd | +1 |
| 10:31 | ColinC | 1 |
| 10:31 | Brooke | #agreed Robin is Packaging Manager with MTJ assisting |
| 10:31 | (this is what you get when you're not present. XD) | |
| 10:32 | do we have a proper candidate for Release Maintainer? | |
| 10:32 | * Brooke | was secretly hoping that Chris Squared would volunteer for life... |
| 10:32 | * chris_n2 | runs and hides :-) |
| 10:32 | kf | I was secretly hoping he would do it for 3.6 - because he is good at it :) |
| 10:33 | for life is a bit too scary, you have to make him do it one release after the other ;) | |
| 10:33 | chris_n2 | if no one volunteers by release time, ask me again :) |
| 10:33 | paul_p_ | chris_n2, you've 2 options : either you accept to continue or we ask publicly for someone else. |
| 10:34 | kf | we can ask and wait if someone volunteers |
| 10:34 | paul_p_ | chris_n2, I personnaly don't want to force anyone. But you're doing a good job so if you want to continue, i'll vote. |
| 10:34 | Brooke | oh he's more than two options. He could move to the south of France. XD |
| 10:34 | kf | but chris_n++ for his good work so far |
| 10:34 | Brooke | indeed |
| 10:34 | chris_n++ | |
| 10:34 | #help someone save Chris from Release Maintainer | |
| 10:35 | chris_n2 | ouch |
| 10:35 | paul_p_ | maybe the best option is to call on the MLs and see if chris_n2 applies again or someone else save him ;-) |
| 10:35 | jransom | I vote for chris_n2 (if he wants it) - done an amazing job |
| 10:35 | chris_n2 | as I say, if no one steps up before release date I'll do it again |
| 10:35 | Brooke | I've naught for this under Module Maintainers |
| 10:35 | listen to Chris Christie darn it. | |
| 10:35 | paul_p_ | wonderful chris_n2 ! |
| 10:36 | Brooke | Err Nighswonger. *duck* |
| 10:36 | * chris_n2 | is trying to script it up anyway |
| 10:36 | magnuse | chris_n++ |
| 10:36 | jransom | yay |
| 10:37 | Brooke | Module Maintainers? Bueller? |
| 10:37 | kf | bueller? |
| 10:38 | paul_p_ | Bueller ??? |
| 10:38 | kf | I think revisiting the current module maintainers might be good |
| 10:38 | not all are active in the community now | |
| 10:38 | but perhaps we should do that at a separate meeting | |
| 10:38 | paul_p_ | kf, you mean default assignee on bugzilla ? |
| 10:38 | magnuse | kf: +1 |
| 10:39 | kf | paul_p_: yes, the defaults on bugzilla - we can still vote on the other suggestion |
| 10:39 | paul_p_ | kf, it's also on the agenda, (misc section) |
| 10:40 | slef | #link http://bugs.koha-community.org[…].cgi?product=Koha |
| 10:40 | Kyle M Hall looks like the only default assignee I've not seen recently | |
| 10:40 | kf | yes, but he has more than one module |
| 10:41 | slef | Circulation and Patrons |
| 10:41 | chris_n2 | I think koha-devellists.koha-community.org is a good idea |
| 10:41 | kf | both very important |
| 10:41 | Brooke | I'm thinking that Ian might be inclined to pick those up |
| 10:41 | chris_n2 | maybe not as the default, but as an option |
| 10:41 | kf | +1 for optional |
| 10:41 | Brooke | but I can hardly predict that with accuracy |
| 10:41 | paul_p_ | we're not on this part of this agenda ! |
| 10:41 | chris_n2 | then the default assignee could set those bugs they do not intend to work on to the other |
| 10:41 | Brooke | #idea trawl koha-devel for options |
| 10:41 | kf | wizzyrea would be good for circ - it's not about fixing, more like overseeing, right? |
| 10:41 | paul_p_ | we arevoting for roles ;-) |
| 10:42 | slef | ok, shall I mail him and ask if that's OK? If no response in a week, we call for new |
| 10:42 | Brooke | we are talking about roles paul |
| 10:42 | chris_n2 | ouch |
| 10:42 | * chris_n2 | apologizes to the chair |
| 10:42 | kf | perhaps we need to clarify the role a module maintainer has |
| 10:42 | sekjal | ^^ |
| 10:42 | kf | and go through the modules at a separate meeting |
| 10:42 | paul_p_ | for me module maintainer is a help for RMaint |
| 10:42 | kf | to move forward tonight |
| 10:43 | paul_p_ | responsible for a sub-part of koha maintainance. But we have no candidates, so... |
| 10:43 | sekjal | responsible in what sense? |
| 10:43 | Brooke | yee haw the devil is up |
| 10:43 | sekjal | for creating fixes? for testing incoming? for overall planning? |
| 10:43 | paul_p_ | helper for RMaint. testing/applying patches for a given module for example |
| 10:44 | * chris_n2 | must excuse himself and get ready to head to work |
| 10:45 | sekjal | would ModuleMaints have any particular privileges? a weightier signoff? QA passing? ability to commit code to a Koha branch? |
| 10:45 | Brooke | so what is the community's pleasure? |
| 10:45 | kf | I think keeping things in order, like a bug wrangler does |
| 10:45 | rangi | how about calling them module champions |
| 10:46 | and making it there role to care about making sure bugs in that area get fixed | |
| 10:46 | paul_p_ | rangi, why not |
| 10:46 | yes, that's my idea ! | |
| 10:46 | rangi | their |
| 10:46 | kf | which does not mean fixing themselves |
| 10:46 | necessarily | |
| 10:46 | right? | |
| 10:46 | rangi | so no extra power, except the power to cajole, bribe, threaten |
| 10:46 | paul_p_ | right (imo) |
| 10:46 | rangi | i agree |
| 10:46 | just caring | |
| 10:46 | kf | because it's too much expecting that |
| 10:46 | sekjal | an advocate for a module |
| 10:47 | rangi | yup |
| 10:47 | kf | more a coordinating role |
| 10:47 | make people talk to each other | |
| 10:47 | sekjal | I nominate wizzyrea for one or more modules, then |
| 10:47 | paul_p_ | well, in fact, she already is a "module champion" ;-) |
| 10:47 | Brooke | #idea Module Champions hold no extra power save to cajole, bribe, and threaten |
| 10:48 | slef | wizzyrea already has the websites module which is a bottomless pit. Is wizzyrea here? |
| 10:48 | paul_p_ | I think she's just lacking the name & badge ;-) |
| 10:48 | (some of us will soon look like USSR generals, with 80 medals :D ) | |
| 10:48 | magnuse | hehe |
| 10:49 | rangi | we should email the list nominating people |
| 10:49 | and if they dont say no fast enough | |
| 10:49 | they get the job | |
| 10:49 | :) | |
| 10:49 | kf | +1 |
| 10:49 | Brooke | #idea send to the list nominating Champions and if their reaction time is low the trap shuts. |
| 10:49 | jransom | it would sort out who was payng attention |
| 10:50 | thd | Even when I have had no other time for Koha, I have been fixing the wiki. |
| 10:50 | Brooke | on we go |
| 10:51 | Assistant QA Managers | |
| 10:51 | we've Marcel de Rooy and Jonathan Druart on the slate | |
| 10:51 | paul_p_ | having 2 doesn't harm at all. so I vote +1 for both of them |
| 10:51 | Brooke | I believe it was said that it's okay for 2, yes Ian? |
| 10:51 | magnuse | +1 for both |
| 10:51 | thd | +1 many many volunteers |
| 10:51 | slef | +1 |
| 10:51 | christophe_c | +1 too |
| 10:51 | ColinC | +1 for both |
| 10:52 | ropuch | +1 |
| 10:52 | jransom | me too |
| 10:52 | kf | +1 |
| 10:52 | hdl | °1 |
| 10:52 | sekjal | the more the merrier |
| 10:52 | Brooke | #agreed both Marcel de Rooy and Jonathan Druart will be Assistant QA managers |
| 10:53 | QA Manager is solely Ian | |
| 10:53 | kf | +1 |
| 10:53 | magnuse | +1 |
| 10:53 | thd | +1 |
| 10:54 | Brooke | Ian is too slow to escape so |
| 10:54 | #agreed Ian Walls continues as QA Manager | |
| 10:54 | Bug Wranglers we've KF and Magnuse | |
| 10:55 | anyone else got a hankerin' to keep doggies movin? | |
| 10:55 | magnuse | +1 for kf |
| 10:55 | thd | +1 everyone who shows up |
| 10:55 | kf | +1 for magnuse |
| 10:55 | jransom | +1 +1 |
| 10:55 | rangi | +2 (one each) |
| 10:55 | sekjal | +1 for kf, +1 for magnuse |
| 10:55 | ColinC | +1 both |
| 10:56 | paul_p_ | +1 for magnuse & +1 for kf |
| 10:56 | hdl | +1 |
| 10:56 | +1 | |
| 10:56 | * oleonard | +1s kf, magnuse, and everyone he missed before |
| 10:57 | paul_p_ | I think oleonard could also be elected, as he is BW, even if he don't has the role officially ;-) |
| 10:57 | ropuch | +1 |
| 10:57 | kf | true |
| 10:57 | oleonard: up to get a title? | |
| 10:57 | Brooke | I'm gluing together Documentation Manager and Documentation of DB since they are the same highly competent individual, not that I'm biased ;) |
| 10:58 | #agreed Bug Wranglers are KF and Magnus (not that this is limited.) | |
| 10:58 | * oleonard | would be glad to wear that badge |
| 10:58 | christophe_c | +1 for both |
| 10:58 | Brooke | #agreed and Oleonard wrangles too :D |
| 10:58 | magnuse | +1 for oleonard |
| 10:58 | kf | +1 for oleonard :) |
| 10:58 | paul_p_ | +1 for oleonard |
| 10:58 | slef | +1 |
| 10:58 | rangi | i was gonna make oleonard a champion |
| 10:58 | but he can do both :) | |
| 10:58 | kf | not so many people, we will get some doubling up :) |
| 10:59 | Brooke | kf++ |
| 10:59 | thd | +1 everyone who shows up again |
| 10:59 | Brooke | Nicole for Documentation for life? |
| 10:59 | kf | one release at at time |
| 11:00 | thd | +1 next couple of releases at a time |
| 11:00 | paul_p_ | +1 for nicole (maybe not for life) |
| 11:00 | Brooke | oh fine, nengard for Documentation for this go |
| 11:00 | magnuse | +1 |
| 11:00 | oleonard | +1 |
| 11:00 | ColinC | +1 |
| 11:00 | sekjal | +1 |
| 11:00 | kf | +1 |
| 11:00 | rangi | +1 |
| 11:01 | jransom | +1 |
| 11:01 | paul_p_ | Brooke, i promise i'll never apply as doc manager, or you'll have to learn me too many things :D |
| 11:01 | Brooke | ha! |
| 11:01 | paul_p_ | (too many things in english I mean) |
| 11:01 | (for those who don't understand = private joke) | |
| 11:01 | Brooke | #agreed Nicole Engard is Documentation Manager and Documenter of DB |
| 11:02 | Frédéric Demians for Translation manager | |
| 11:03 | thd | +1 |
| 11:03 | magnuse | +1 |
| 11:03 | ColinC | +1 |
| 11:03 | paul_p_ | +1 |
| 11:03 | ropuch | +1 |
| 11:03 | rangi | fredericd: did you have an idea that kf might help out with translations also? |
| 11:04 | fredericd | I've asked to associate cait to this role (or magnuse or both) |
| 11:04 | paul_p_ | ( & +10 for the idea to remove translation from git repo !) |
| 11:04 | fredericd | in order to premare the transmission of this role to one of them |
| 11:04 | christophe_c | +1 |
| 11:04 | rangi | +1 to either of them (or both) |
| 11:05 | paul_p_ | hehe... good idea. you shouldn't have said it, they'll refuse to help you;-) |
| 11:05 | kf | +1 fpr fredericd as translation manager |
| 11:05 | magnuse | hm, i won't have time to do something like that in the foreseeable future... |
| 11:05 | rangi | kf it is |
| 11:05 | magnuse | +1 for kf ;-) |
| 11:05 | fredericd | magnuse: you can co-host... |
| 11:05 | kf | that's ok for me |
| 11:05 | translation is important for us | |
| 11:05 | paul_p_ | if it's OK for you, then +1 |
| 11:06 | jcamins | #info jcamins = Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services. |
| 11:06 | fredericd | when could you scheduled that: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing_and_Shrinking |
| 11:06 | Brooke | #agreed Frédéric Demians is the Translation Manager with cait assisting. |
| 11:07 | christophe_c | +1 fo kf too |
| 11:07 | Brooke | release manager Paul Poulain |
| 11:09 | magnuse | +1 |
| 11:10 | should we do the whole timebased releases, which features are required for calling it 4.0 discussion again? ;-) | |
| 11:10 | thd | paul_p_ Do I understand that correctly that your plan for 4.0 will be whatever the collective community plan is? |
| 11:10 | kf | I think that's an important point |
| 11:11 | Brooke | I think they're both key |
| 11:11 | and we have been quick for us so far. | |
| 11:11 | sekjal | I don't believe it's reasonable to schedule feature releases on a timetable |
| 11:11 | we tried that before with 3.2, and it.... didn't work so well | |
| 11:12 | paul_p_ | sekjal, and my -late- answer to this concern does fix your question ? |
| 11:12 | or no ? | |
| 11:12 | of course i'm for time based releases ! i was the 1st to use the term ! | |
| 11:12 | sekjal | I still hold that timebased releases on the 3.X line are the way to go, with a feature-based 4.0 being released when all its parts are actually ready |
| 11:12 | slef | -1 no role appointments for 4.0 yet, especially without any details. |
| 11:12 | magnuse | sekjal: +1 |
| 11:13 | Brooke | I concur slef |
| 11:13 | * oleonard | too |
| 11:13 | sekjal | hopefully, all the stuff we plan for in 1 year will be ready in 1 year |
| 11:13 | and we can jump right from 3.8 to 4.0 | |
| 11:13 | Brooke | I appreciate the idea of parallel development, but perhaps when we have two like releases: either two feature based or two time based. |
| 11:13 | paul_p_ | maybe I haven't be clear enough in my today mail. |
| 11:13 | kf | hm perhaps say, when it's ready, do a 4.0, and aim for that |
| 11:13 | when not - do a 3.01 | |
| 11:13 | 3.10 | |
| 11:13 | but don't force features that are not ready | |
| 11:13 | paul_p_ | I think it's just a numbering question, that is really a minor question |
| 11:14 | slef | paul_p_: what late answer? http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]posal_paul_p_RM38 is unchanged since last meeting. |
| 11:14 | paul_p_ | slef, right, couldn't find time |
| 11:14 | sekjal | paul_p_: it's not just numbering, it's feature-based v. time-based |
| 11:14 | thd | slef: On the koha-devel list paul_p_ tried to answer sekjal. |
| 11:15 | paul_p_ | sekjal, no ! definetly no ! (at least in my mind, seems I can't explain clearly my idea) |
| 11:15 | slef | thd: got message-id or link handly? |
| 11:15 | sekjal | paul_p_: what if the Solr work cannot pass QA by Oct. 22nd, 2012, for whatever reason? |
| 11:15 | would you propose delaying 4.0, or not including Solr? | |
| 11:16 | paul_p_ | then no Solr in oct 12 ! |
| 11:16 | sekjal | ok |
| 11:17 | thd | sekjal: So the issue may be merely whether the ready features merit the major version number. |
| 11:17 | sekjal | would the release then still be called Koha 4.0, if the major structural change isn't ready, or would it go to 3.10? |
| 11:17 | paul_p_ | sekjal, 3.10 |
| 11:17 | 1st digit is updated on any major structural change being the rule | |
| 11:17 | I won't call it 4 just to beat chrome numbering ;-) | |
| 11:18 | I won't call it 4 just to beat chrome numbering speed ;-) | |
| 11:18 | sekjal | paul_p_: okay, so then you and I are mostly in agreement. |
| 11:18 | thd | slef: today in koha-devel. |
| 11:18 | paul_p_ | sekjal, I think too |
| 11:18 | jransom | so we preomise a releasae and whats ready is in it |
| 11:18 | magnuse | slef: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]October/date.html |
| 11:19 | slef | magnuse: ta |
| 11:19 | sekjal | I'd like the opportunity to see if any other major features can be reasonably developed in time for our target 4.0 date, but that's really details as far as I'm concerned |
| 11:19 | slef | http://lists.koha-community.or[…]tober/036235.html |
| 11:20 | * oleonard | must leave, is ready to give paul_p his vote knowing that it will All Work Out. |
| 11:20 | kf | on another question: can we discuss lowering the qa barrier for some time? I don't feel so comfortable with that, even if it's only for a limited amount of time |
| 11:20 | sekjal | ^^ |
| 11:21 | paul_p_ | kf, I think i've already said i've abandonned the idea, as it seems ppl are against it. |
| 11:21 | rangi | #info stick with time based releases, if a release contains a change large enough to warrant a major version number we use it, otherwise keep on the 3.x one |
| 11:21 | Brooke | excellent to hear Paul |
| 11:21 | rangi | is that what ppl are concluding? |
| 11:21 | kf | paul_p_: with more people doing qa I hope we can catch up on things :) |
| 11:21 | sekjal | kf: that's my hope, too |
| 11:21 | jransom | rangi: sounds that way |
| 11:22 | paul_p_ | that's my hope too, although i'l bug ppl on koha-devel to point pending patches ! |
| 11:22 | magnuse | rangi: sounds good to me |
| 11:22 | thd | +1 paul_p_ sensibly sensing the community |
| 11:22 | magnuse | paul_p++ |
| 11:23 | kf | ok |
| 11:23 | christophe_c | +1 paul_p |
| 11:23 | kf | ready to vote now? |
| 11:23 | Brooke | I think so |
| 11:23 | any other unresolved issues? | |
| 11:24 | mtj | morning all |
| 11:24 | Brooke | morena |
| 11:24 | well then go on and vote properly you cats! | |
| 11:24 | magnuse | +1 |
| 11:24 | jransom | heya mj |
| 11:24 | paul_p_ | just one point (already written iirc) = I plan to dedicate half of my time to the RM role |
| 11:25 | thd | +1 |
| 11:25 | slef | -1 no prejudicing the next release's roles |
| 11:25 | jransom | +1 for paul |
| 11:25 | kf | +1 |
| 11:25 | mtj | i bumped into eythian, and we got sidetracked at a pub |
| 11:25 | christophe_c | +1 |
| 11:25 | kf | lol |
| 11:25 | rangi | heh |
| 11:25 | kf | celebrating your new roles I guess - because you got the jobs |
| 11:25 | mtj | ... just got back home, and remembered the irc meeting |
| 11:25 | slef | mtj: point of info, your examples git is Server Temporarily Unavailable every time I tried so far |
| 11:26 | thd | paul_p_ Is half time enough time? |
| 11:26 | rangi | +1 |
| 11:27 | mtj | slef, will fix that now |
| 11:27 | sekjal | +1 for paul for 3.8 RM |
| 11:27 | paul_p_ | enough I don't know. I can't afford doing more, and promise not doing less |
| 11:27 | Brooke | #agreed Paul Poulain is the release manager. |
| 11:27 | paul_p_ | enough I don't know. I can't promise doing more, and promise not doing less |
| 11:27 | thd | paul_p_++ |
| 11:27 | paul_p_ | (maybe i'll be able to do more, but i'm not sure at all) |
| 11:28 | Brooke | #topic KohaCon2011 |
| 11:28 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon2011 | |
| 11:28 | Brooke | no other Indians in the house. |
| 11:28 | rangi | just fyi, i did on average about halftime of my working time |
| 11:28 | jransom | 16 more sleeps for me |
| 11:28 | rangi | and 3 or 4 hours of my own time each day |
| 11:29 | its pretty much a fulltime job, but the realities are, you have to do probably about half unpaid | |
| 11:29 | thd | rangi: That is good to know as a comparison for such an all consuming job. |
| 11:29 | jransom | its aery big commitment |
| 11:29 | rangi | it comes and goes too |
| 11:29 | jransom | kudos to those who take it on |
| 11:29 | rangi | lumpy |
| 11:30 | thd | rangi: lumpy? |
| 11:30 | Brooke | fits and spurts |
| 11:30 | thd | :) |
| 11:30 | rangi | thd: not steady amount, big lumps, then quiet |
| 11:31 | paul_p_ | I hope that the lot of work time will occur whent i'm "low work needed" on managing my company |
| 11:31 | Brooke | so |
| 11:31 | we've no one to address anything anyway on to | |
| 11:31 | #topic KohaCon 2012 | |
| 11:31 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon 2012 | |
| 11:31 | Brooke | Congratulations Scotland :D |
| 11:31 | magnuse | woohoo! |
| 11:32 | kf | whooohoooooo! |
| 11:32 | slef++ coop++ (?) | |
| 11:32 | jcamins | Yippee! |
| 11:32 | thd | slef: How do you propose choosing a time? |
| 11:32 | kf | I think having it earlier next year was discussed - I like the idea |
| 11:32 | rangi | och aye the noo (and yes i know no one actually says that in scotland .., at least not as a phrase like that) |
| 11:32 | slef | thd: Unless there's a strong reason not to, we will got with best availability and weather, probably June. |
| 11:32 | Brooke | he chooses the one that's convenient to him as host. |
| 11:32 | jransom | yay - i nve never been toscotland and my great grandads were scottish and irish andfrench and english |
| 11:32 | jcamins | rangi: you'd be surprised. |
| 11:33 | kf | I think the host decides |
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| 11:33 | kf | trying not to make it the same time as other important things |
| 11:33 | slef | kf: yes, there are many festivals in Edinburgh which we cannot outbid for venues and so on. |
| 11:33 | jransom | but not sure i'll be able to swing 2 trips in same financial year |
| 11:34 | paul_p_ | Brooke, some details about the votes ? |
| 11:34 | slef | jransom: when is your financial year break? |
| 11:34 | sekjal | slef: just so long as it's not late October; missing 3 Halloween's in a row is too much for my family! |
| 11:34 | Brooke | paul ask nengard for good numbers there's a link here |
| 11:34 | we can make it public I suppose yes nicole? | |
| 11:34 | thd | jransom: Change your financial calendar to suit. |
| 11:34 | wahanui | thd: that doesn't look right |
| 11:34 | jransom | 30 june - but thats not a reason to influence date choice |
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| 11:34 | nengard | Brooke you want to remove the names and such before making it public |
| 11:34 | keep it anonymous | |
| 11:34 | before putting it on the wiki | |
| 11:35 | like last year | |
| 11:35 | Brooke | arright good point |
| 11:35 | kf | yes, important point |
| 11:35 | people have not agreed to make the data public | |
| 11:35 | slef | #info I thank all voters and koha-community on behalf of the co-op. We'll get moving and be in touch. |
| 11:35 | rangi | coolio |
| 11:35 | nengard | #info Nicole Engard, ByWater Solutions, Documentation Manager |
| 11:35 | jransom | i'm going to head off folks - see some of yuou in Mumbai and maybe the rest in Scotland! |
| 11:36 | Brooke | #topic Global Bug Squashing Days |
| 11:36 | Topic for #koha is now Global Bug Squashing Days | |
| 11:36 | jransom | congrats slef |
| 11:36 | rangi | they rule |
| 11:36 | thats my input on the subject | |
| 11:36 | magnuse | there is a gbsd on this coming friday, as a last sprint to the string freeze http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day |
| 11:36 | be there or be [] | |
| 11:37 | paul_p_ | hi nengard. Do you have some details about KohaCon12 vote ? |
| 11:37 | (number of votes, % ...) | |
| 11:37 | jcamins | magnuse: why are they always on Fridays? |
| 11:37 | paul_p_ | magnuse: this time all BibLibre will join GBSD for all the day. |
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| 11:37 | kf | because fridays are for fun things? :) |
| 11:37 | biblibre++ | |
| 11:37 | magnuse | jcamins: initally because biblibre have their community days on fridays, but it cn be changed, of course |
| 11:37 | nengard | 88 votes |
| 11:37 | magnuse | biblibre++ |
| 11:38 | nengard | 74 voted for Edinburgh as the first choice |
| 11:38 | jcamins | magnuse: ah. I have no objection to keeping them on Fridays for now, I was just wondering. |
| 11:38 | slef | this GBSD is far enough into a month I may be able to take part... if my colleagues get moving with the month-start admin today/tomorrow |
| 11:38 | kf | nice! |
| 11:38 | nengard | 12 voted for Reno as #1 |
| 11:38 | 2 didn't complete the vote | |
| 11:38 | paul_p_ | (magnuse and that will be the case for all GBSD : we concluded that half a day every 2 week was not the best, because when you've half a day, you need to start and ... it's done. So we switch 1 day every month, the GBSD) |
| 11:38 | nengard | 7 voted for Edinburgh for #2 and 58 for Reno as #2 and 23 didn't rank a #2 |
| 11:39 | magnuse | paul_p_: great!! |
| 11:39 | Brooke | not that bugs need to wait for a GBSD :) |
| 11:39 | magnuse | Brooke: agreed! |
| 11:39 | Brooke | anything else on bugs? |
| 11:39 | jwagner | #info Jane Wagner, PTFS/LibLime |
| 11:39 | magnuse | not from me |
| 11:40 | Brooke | #topic Old Business |
| 11:40 | Topic for #koha is now Old Business | |
| 11:40 | magnuse | (other than to say having gbsd as a regular thing on the agenda might be unnecessary...) |
| 11:40 | Brooke | did we have any actions from last meeting that neet to be seen to? |
| 11:40 | magnuse | not accoring to http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]-09-07-18.00.html |
| 11:41 | mtj | so, |
| 11:41 | rangi | nope |
| 11:41 | mtj | oops.. |
| 11:41 | Brooke | #topic Misc |
| 11:41 | Topic for #koha is now Misc | |
| 11:41 | Brooke | follow up on the koha-devel thread for bugzilla and default assignee |
| 11:42 | someone want to talk about this? is this summat that will be covered by Champions or is it different? | |
| 11:43 | paul_p_ | I think it differs, but not sure i'm right. |
| 11:43 | i've had 2 ideas : having koha-devel as default assignee & using NEW/ASSIGNED status to deal with real assignee | |
| 11:44 | kf | I thought we do that |
| 11:44 | as long as something is NEW noone is workign on it | |
| 11:44 | paul_p_ | the big point being: "how to detect abandonned bugs ?" |
| 11:44 | slef | kf: I think koha-qa is default assignee isn't it? |
| 11:44 | kf | no |
| 11:44 | paul_p_ | slef, yep |
| 11:44 | jcamins | I don't think koha-devel is such a good idea. That would greatly increase the volume of e-mail. |
| 11:44 | kf | module maintainer is |
| 11:44 | and cc bug list | |
| 11:44 | slef | #link http://bugs.koha-community.org[…].cgi?product=Koha |
| 11:44 | paul_p_ | kf, slef said koha-QA |
| 11:44 | not assignee | |
| 11:45 | kf | phone call |
| 11:45 | paul_p_ | maybe we could have no default QA and have koha-qa as default assignee |
| 11:45 | ? | |
| 11:45 | slef | no, kf was right - I was wrong. module maint is default assignee |
| 11:45 | paul_p_: abandoned bug = Last change > N months ago? | |
| 11:45 | paul_p_ | oups, sorry I misunderstand you. We have 2 things : default assignee & default QA |
| 11:46 | default assignee being someone & default QA being koha-QA mailing list | |
| 11:46 | idea : use koha-qa as default assignee & let QA contactbeing set by QA manager & assistants ? | |
| 11:47 | slef | I don't like that. QA have enough to do already. |
| 11:47 | I don't understand what problem you are trying to solve here. I'm currently searching koha-devel for the thread. A link in the agenda would have been helpful. | |
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| 11:48 | sekjal | I mostly use RSS for QA notifications |
| 11:48 | paul_p_ | the question I try to solve : how to detect non endorsed bugs & how to avoid having useless default assignees |
| 11:49 | thd | slef: The issue was raised on the koha-devel list in August. |
| 11:49 | slef | thd: ok... I'd not got back that far yet. Thanks. |
| 11:49 | #link http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ugust/035984.html | |
| 11:50 | I mean, the answer to paul_p_'s question in that post seems simple: assign such a bug to QA. I don't see why defaults need change to do that. | |
| 11:50 | or actually, RESOLVE WONTFIX | |
| 11:50 | paul_p_ | slef, assign such a but to QA = you mean "QA mailing list" ? |
| 11:51 | slef | paul_p_: koha-bugslists.koha-community.org |
| 11:51 | paul_p_ | slef, but if it's a real bug, I won't set "RESOLVE WONTFIX" !!! it's just that I want to say "ok, it's still here, but it's not for me" |
| 11:52 | assigning to koha-bugs what a given default assignee don't want to endorse sounds a good idea | |
| 11:52 | slef | I think a default assignment of TEAM (Toll! Ein Anderes Macht's! = Great, someone else will do it!) is an awful idea and I don't see how it addresses your problem. |
| 11:52 | But for explicitly disowning bugs, OK. | |
| 11:53 | paul_p_ | slef, well, atm, everybody think "paul will take care", but I won't |
| 11:53 | good, we agree on that ! | |
| 11:53 | slef | paul_p_: but you think it should be fixed, just not by you? |
| 11:53 | paul_p_ | yep |
| 11:54 | thd | slef: What should happen after bugs are explicitly disowned? What action should be triggered? |
| 11:54 | Brooke | maybe we can feature them for adoption at GBSDs. |
| 11:54 | slef | #link http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]han&value0-0-0=90 |
| 11:54 | paul_p_ | thd, have someone else endorsing it |
| 11:54 | slef | #info ^^ bugs that are unchanged more than 90 days |
| 11:54 | #info change the 90 on the end for a different number of bugs | |
| 11:55 | paul_p_ | (many have patch pushed, maybe we could remove them) |
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| 11:55 | Brooke | let's mull this over more mebbe? |
| 11:56 | paul_p_ | Brooke, ??? |
| 11:56 | wahanui | somebody said Brooke, was it summer now in NZ? |
| 11:56 | Brooke | wahanui forget brooke |
| 11:56 | wahanui | Brooke: I forgot brooke |
| 11:56 | slef | thd: QA or anyone watching koha-bugs to review/move it on when they get time. Could put a list of bugs in a call for help in newsletter or koha-devel mail. Lots of ideas. |
| 11:56 | Brooke | #idea list of bugs in a call for help or koha-devel mail |
| 11:57 | #help think over the handling of bugs with no endorsement. | |
| 11:58 | #topic Gamification | |
| 11:58 | Topic for #koha is now Gamification | |
| 11:58 | Brooke | I wanted to draw attention to |
| 11:58 | http://dmlcompetition.net/ | |
| 11:58 | wizzyrea | #info Liz Rea (NEKLS - apologies on the tardiness) |
| 11:58 | Brooke | some Gamification achievement stuff was already proposed on the wiki |
| 11:59 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Gamifying_the_ILS | |
| 11:59 | the proposals they're looking for run very close to the achievement stuff outlined | |
| 11:59 | the bad news is | |
| 11:59 | they're do very soon | |
| 11:59 | (like 15th October) | |
| 11:59 | so | |
| 11:59 | here's what I have in my crazy head | |
| 11:59 | submit summat | |
| 12:00 | if they like it, then great | |
| 12:00 | it's not actual coding | |
| 12:00 | so I'm up for it | |
| 12:00 | wizzyrea | go for it |
| 12:00 | Brooke | if they don't like it |
| 12:00 | we have a nice armature for the stuff we were gonna do anyway | |
| 12:00 | at least in one department. | |
| 12:01 | magnuse | what's not to like? ;-) |
| 12:01 | mtj | http://git.kohaaloha.com/?p=ko[…]idy/.git;a=commit is back up? |
| 12:01 | magnuse | mtj: works for me! |
| 12:01 | Brooke | k I shall take thy silence as a sign of assent. |
| 12:02 | wizzyrea | yes, i'll help you |
| 12:02 | thd | Brooke: I see a strategy for gaming the library for achievement which would abuse the circulation desk. |
| 12:02 | kf | back |
| 12:02 | paul_p_ | Brooke, I keep silent because i've nothing to say (& i'm having lunch, i admit ;-) ) |
| 12:02 | mtj | magnuse: ta :) |
| 12:03 | wizzyrea | thd: the features are completely optional |
| 12:03 | * rangi | has to go to sleep |
| 12:03 | magnuse | Brooke: do it on the wiki and we can all chime in if we see fit? |
| 12:03 | Brooke | will put it there when I've got summat |
| 12:03 | magnuse | yay |
| 12:03 | Brooke | excellent idea. |
| 12:03 | thd | Brooke: Yes, I understand that those are ideas for scoring points and not rules. |
| 12:04 | Brooke | #topic coding guidelines |
| 12:04 | Topic for #koha is now coding guidelines | |
| 12:04 | * thd | caused a stack overflow in the circulation system. High score :) |
| 12:04 | wizzyrea | not that kind ofachievement |
| 12:04 | Brooke | (last point in the agenda before setting the time and date! Woot!) |
| 12:05 | take it away mtj, methinks | |
| 12:05 | thd | The examples of perl tidy in action are down. |
| 12:05 | mtj | thd: but are now back up? |
| 12:07 | but regardless of my examples.... lets vote :) | |
| 12:07 | slef | mtj: could you paste how many lines are changed (I think it's in the whatchanged output?) |
| 12:08 | mtj | slef: i dont know how to do that... |
| 12:08 | slef | mtj: git whatchanged -1 # IIRC |
| 12:08 | mtj | hmm, 1 tic... |
| 12:08 | * slef | checks that here |
| 12:08 | slef | that's not it... 1mo |
| 12:09 | kf | I hve no strong opinion about the coding thing - make it consistent and choose one, change code not at once but bit by bit perhaps |
| 12:09 | paul_p_ | kf++ |
| 12:09 | wizzyrea | kf++ |
| 12:09 | ColinC | kf+ |
| 12:09 | slef | mtj: git format-patch -o .. 'HEAD^' |
| 12:09 | wizzyrea | (and publish it somewhere) |
| 12:09 | thd | kf++ |
| 12:10 | kf | oh wow |
| 12:10 | :) | |
| 12:10 | slef | that will show lines like |
| 12:10 | filename | 4 ++-- | |
| 12:10 | paste those lines | |
| 12:10 | kf | yep, important, document it, make it easy to find |
| 12:10 | and easy to use | |
| 12:10 | slef | from near the start of the patch file |
| 12:10 | paul_p_ | My 2nd concern being : don't spend time reinventing the wheel, spend time hacking |
| 12:10 | kf | choose an existnig style, not create one |
| 12:10 | * magnuse | agrees with kf |
| 12:10 | ColinC | Agreed |
| 12:11 | thd | mtj: I think that consistency within each file is sufficient. |
| 12:11 | Brooke | believe perltidy is what's on the table, yes/ |
| 12:11 | paul_p_ | kf, yep, that's what I meaned ;-) |
| 12:11 | slef | ok, let me explain my concern |
| 12:11 | the perltidyrc (koha-style in mtj's examples) was an attempt to standardise what was already happening | |
| 12:12 | if we switch to another style, it may be a big disruption for little gain | |
| 12:12 | but it may be that no-one was using the perltidyrc any more anyway, so that will also be a disruption | |
| 12:12 | in which case we might as well pick anything except pbp. | |
| 12:12 | paul_p_ | good point (except i'm not sur all the script already have "koha-style") |
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| 12:13 | paul_p_ | why "except pbp" ? |
| 12:13 | slef | paul_p_: do biblibre still code to 178-char line length? |
| 12:13 | mtj | http://git.kohaaloha.com/?p=ko[…]c127fcec56e825cf3 |
| 12:13 | thd | :) |
| 12:13 | slef | pbp is not documented in FOSS anywhere as far as I can tell. |
| 12:13 | paul_p_ | slef, dunno, we don't have an explicit rule |
| 12:14 | mtj | slef: so koha-style has the least change from current |
| 12:14 | slef | 12 Circulation.pm.gnu-style | 1730 +++++++++++++++++----------------- |
| 12:14 | ||
| 12:14 | 13 Circulation.pm.koha-style | 1673 +++++++++++++++++---------------- | |
| 12:14 | ||
| 12:14 | 14 Circulation.pm.pbp-style | 2037 +++++++++++++++++++++++----------------- | |
| 12:14 | ||
| 12:14 | 15 Circulation.pm.perlstyle-style | 2045 +++++++++++++++++++++++----------------- | |
| 12:14 | ||
| 12:14 | mtj++ | |
| 12:14 | magnuse | mtj++ |
| 12:14 | slef | mtj: but all are bigger than I thought, so probably no-one uses koha-style explicitly either |
| 12:15 | ColinC | I think at present no style is in operation |
| 12:15 | paul_p_ | I think so |
| 12:15 | * wizzyrea | suspects there was not enough suggesting that people should use it, lately |
| 12:15 | slef | for comparison, Circulation.pm is about 3000 lines |
| 12:16 | jcamins | FWIW, I have no idea how one would go about using this. |
| 12:16 | mtj | slef, yep 'koha-style' perltidy is not really offiical, so not enforced |
| 12:16 | ok, so shall we vote on this issue? | |
| 12:16 | * magnuse | has been following koha rather closely for 3 odd years, and can't remember seeing anything about any explicit coding styles... |
| 12:17 | slef | jcamins: run perltidy OPTIONS FILENAMES before commit. |
| 12:17 | mtj | magnuse: yes and yes |
| 12:17 | jcamins | slef: that should be documented somewhere. |
| 12:17 | slef | jcamins: will do if I'm correct ;-) |
| 12:17 | jcamins: also we could probably put vim and emacs tags into the files to trigger smart editors to adapt | |
| 12:17 | thd | slef: Is the actual practise of continuing to not have an official style an option we are considering? |
| 12:18 | slef | thd: we could consider it but I wouldn't advocate it strongly. |
| 12:18 | paul_p_ | thd, I would prefer to have a rule ! |
| 12:18 | slef | perlstyle-style and pbp-style are so close in disruptiveness, I'd really prefer we pick the more FOSS perlstyle-style |
| 12:19 | jwagner | Are you proposing to reject patches that aren't written to style? |
| 12:19 | Or have the QA person change them? | |
| 12:19 | ColinC | I'd agree with slef I think use defaults is easier than suggesting people use exceptions |
| 12:19 | slef | I don't think transition has been discussed at all yet, has it? |
| 12:19 | paul_p_ | other option (dunno if it's a good one), have a big patch at the beginning of 3.8 |
| 12:20 | Brooke | it was over the mailing list slef |
| 12:20 | paul_p_ | updating all scripts |
| 12:20 | Brooke | and I think it was in the way back, too |
| 12:20 | * paul_p_ | think it's not a good idea in fact... |
| 12:20 | slef | Brooke: not policy though? |
| 12:20 | ColinC | I suggest we start first with a recommendation that people use it |
| 12:20 | mtj | jwagner: lets cross that very distant bridge *after* we decide on an offiical style |
| 12:20 | Brooke | we're trying to make it policy, yes? |
| 12:20 | slef | I'd vote: gnu > perlstyle > koha > no-style > pbp # though |
| 12:20 | jwagner | mtj, but part of the policy has to be enforcement of some kind, doesn't it? |
| 12:21 | slef | Brooke: recommendation not requirement first I think. |
| 12:21 | Brooke | aye naught wrong with a strong suggestion |
| 12:21 | thd | paul_p: I remember a discussion at Koha-Con 2009 where gmcharlt seemed to wisely state something to the effect of not forcing people to use any one style of indentation etc. avoided unnecessary religious strife. Consistency within the file is more important. |
| 12:21 | slef | get the documentation sorted, get most of us using it and then we can look at a requirement. Viva Do-ocracy! |
| 12:21 | sekjal | I'd prefer not to spend QA time reformatting style: it would be better if it were up to the individual developer to make any fixes necessary |
| 12:22 | paul_p_ | thd, not sure I agree with this idea. That's important to have consistency over coding style ! |
| 12:22 | Koha is hard enough to hack already !!! | |
| 12:22 | mtj | ok, a vote on whether to use an offical perltidy style , please? |
| 12:22 | Brooke | how about we recommend that developers use perlstyle |
| 12:22 | jwagner | I'm not really understanding why it's a problem. Consistency would be nice, but it is a crisis? |
| 12:22 | Brooke | or what mtj said |
| 12:22 | cause he's more knowledgeable | |
| 12:22 | ColinC | we should give some doc on how to use the tool |
| 12:22 | mtj | surely no-one disagrees on this basic point?!? |
| 12:23 | Brooke | jwagner: it will be if we continue not to act |
| 12:23 | paul_p_ | sekjal, OK. But if I submit a patch of, say 40 lines, how can I perltidy those 40 lines only ? Should I send a patch updating all the script ? |
| 12:23 | thd | paul_p_: I agree that consistency is important. However, how much consistency is important relative to other things. |
| 12:23 | ColinC | no you can run it on your changed lines only |
| 12:24 | wizzyrea | (and does tidying 40 lines of thousands make it better or worse?) |
| 12:24 | thd | paul_p_: Will we be systematically reformatting the entire code base? |
| 12:24 | paul_p_ | Brooke, there were no rule for 10 years, so jwagner is right to ask. But I think it's good to have consistency though. |
| 12:24 | ColinC, how can you run on changed lines only ? | |
| 12:24 | ColinC | reformatting the entire code base loses history |
| 12:24 | paul_p_ | thd, that's my question |
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| 12:24 | paul_p_ | ColinC, not history, but make git blame being confused. |
| 12:24 | Brooke | not a bad idea once a decade... |
| 12:25 | paul_p_ | (ie: everything is blamed to the perltidy patch) |
| 12:25 | thd | paul_p: Does consistency of indentation matter outside an individual file? |
| 12:25 | paul_p_ | thd, I would say yes, (but don't ask why ;-) ) |
| 12:25 | ColinC | paul_p you can filter lines via perltidy easy to do in vim and emacs |
| 12:26 | slef | Just a note: I have voteengine working here. I can evaluate a preference vote if you wish, but I'd need to give instructions on how to vote :) |
| 12:27 | paul_p_ | ColinC, not everybody uses vim or emacs, & we want to lower the barriers ! |
| 12:27 | slef | I'd also need to tell it a method: Condorcet with IRC, UK Usenet and Schulze seem the most likely, but it might have your favourite. |
| 12:27 | * oleonard | boggles at the long meeting |
| 12:27 | Brooke | it's almost over owen |
| 12:27 | HINT | |
| 12:27 | decide. | |
| 12:28 | * Brooke | is subtle like a brick. |
| 12:28 | thd | I am a great advocate for consistency, however, I am concerned that systematic use of tidy without any other reason to modify a file will complicate tracing code changes. |
| 12:28 | paul_p_ | sekjal, anytihng to say ? |
| 12:28 | ColinC | thd++ |
| 12:28 | mtj | ... everyone ready to vote now? |
| 12:28 | kf | if we can't come to a decision here |
| 12:28 | jwagner | what is the motion on the floor? |
| 12:28 | Brooke | propose summat to vote on |
| 12:28 | sekjal | sorry, was afk |
| 12:28 | slef | I move we take a preference vote for a style now, Condorcet with IRV. |
| 12:28 | kf | perhaps we should have a vote |
| 12:28 | but make thing smoving | |
| 12:29 | paul_p_ | well, not sure until we don't know the options ! |
| 12:29 | mtj | pbp++ |
| 12:29 | kf | don't have no decision |
| 12:29 | slef | Figure out transition later. |
| 12:29 | paul_p_ | slef++ for figuring out transition later |
| 12:29 | mtj | options are: pbp, perl-style, gnu/gcs, koha-style |
| 12:29 | Brooke | one for pbp if you've got a favourite style please mod it up so we can get out of here |
| 12:30 | ColinC | perl-style++ |
| 12:30 | thd | I am also concerned that indentation styles which do not collapse in vim lead to overly long lines which cannot always be broken across multiple lines. |
| 12:30 | wahanui | okay, thd. |
| 12:30 | slef | perl-style++ |
| 12:30 | gnu++ | |
| 12:30 | mtj | ah, and option number 5 is ... no style!!!!! |
| 12:30 | slef | (if we're going to do it approvalwise) |
| 12:30 | jwagner | no-style++ |
| 12:30 | mtj | slef: thats 2 votes love ;) |
| 12:31 | Brooke | he called for a preference |
| 12:31 | slef | mtj: I'm taking this as an approval vote, seeing as no-one wants a preference vote. |
| 12:31 | paul_p_ | perl-style++, then pbp |
| 12:31 | thd | slef: I still think there is a none of the above missing. |
| 12:31 | kf | not no-style ? |
| 12:31 | is my vote, don't know enough to compare, but I am all for consistency | |
| 12:31 | Brooke | thd a bunch have said no style |
| 12:31 | oleonard | some-style++, no-style-- |
| 12:31 | mtj | php, then perl-style for me |
| 12:31 | wizzyrea | pick-and-dictate++ |
| 12:32 | slef | heh, php |
| 12:32 | sekjal | I don't particular care what styling we use, so long as 1) it's consistent in each script (so incoming patches follow existing style), and 2) any style-only changes are independently submitted from functionality changes |
| 12:32 | thd | Brooke: none of the above would not be no style. |
| 12:32 | paul_p_ | wizzyrea, lol, but so true !!! |
| 12:32 | mtj | slef: oops! :p |
| 12:32 | kf | sekjal++ |
| 12:32 | oleonard | sekjal's point 2 is important considering the trouble whitespace changes cause patch comprehension |
| 12:32 | slef | thd: none of the above would be effectively for current practice, which we have to conclude from mtj's great work on the examples is no-style. |
| 12:32 | thd | Brooke: none of the above would be a style which we have not yet considered. Some modified koha style. |
| 12:33 | mtj | ok...... anyone else?? |
| 12:33 | slef | thd: that's another option that no-one has yet proposed. Anyone could have, but I assume it has no advocate. |
| 12:33 | thd | no-style yet first |
| 12:33 | perl style second | |
| 12:34 | mtj | if not... could slef calculate the winner, please? |
| 12:34 | thd | However, I really do not mean no-style. I mean some other style. |
| 12:34 | * kf | is confused |
| 12:34 | kf | ok, perhaps we have to have a vote about this? using a tool? |
| 12:35 | to vote? like for the conference? | |
| 12:35 | Brooke | that's what we're trying to do kf |
| 12:35 | mtj | and the winner is.... ? |
| 12:35 | Brooke | ooh cool idea |
| 12:35 | kf | but irc might not be the right place |
| 12:35 | slef | I think standings are: no-style: kf, jwagner; perlstyle: paul_p_, ColinC, slef; pbp: mtj (+some 2nd prefs); gnu: (some 2nd prefs); koha: no-one |
| 12:35 | Brooke | if we come up with a survey for it |
| 12:35 | slef | have I missed anyone? |
| 12:35 | kf | slef: wrong |
| 12:35 | slef | kf: how? |
| 12:35 | kf | not no-style - I agree with any style as long it's consistent |
| 12:35 | sorry for causing confusion | |
| 12:35 | slef | ok, so oleonard and kf are any-style |
| 12:35 | kf | yep |
| 12:35 | slef | as is sekjal I think |
| 12:36 | any more mistakes/omissions? | |
| 12:36 | sekjal | slef: yes, any style so long as it's consistent is fine by me |
| 12:36 | wizzyrea | any-consistent-style++ |
| 12:36 | mtj | ok, can i change to be perl-style? :p |
| 12:36 | jwagner | I'll go with any style if consistent |
| 12:36 | Brooke | so then perl style has the most support, yes? |
| 12:36 | magnuse | any style so long as it's consistent is fine by me too |
| 12:36 | paul_p_ | ok, so all of you vote for the option that has the most votes already ;-) |
| 12:36 | mtj | making perl-style the winner oMg?!? |
| 12:37 | Brooke | #agreed perl-style |
| 12:37 | paul_p_ | mtj, why omg ? |
| 12:37 | mtj | and perl-style it is!!!!!! |
| 12:37 | slef | I think standings are: no-style: no-one; perlstyle: paul_p_, ColinC, slef, mtj; pbp: (some 2nd prefs); gnu: (some 2nd prefs); koha: no-one; (any style: oleonard, kf, sekjal, wizzyrea, jwagner) |
| 12:37 | naughty no-one, double-voting | |
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| 12:37 | Brooke | #topic time and date of next meeting |
| 12:37 | Topic for #koha is now time and date of next meeting | |
| 12:38 | Brooke | how about 16thish Nov? |
| 12:38 | that way it's after KohaCon? | |
| 12:38 | slef | is this the 2am UTC one? |
| 12:38 | Brooke | given the pattern should be |
| 12:38 | paul_p_ | slef, yes :((( |
| 12:39 | 16th++ for me (not 9th pls, i'll be jet lagged !) | |
| 12:39 | mtj | paul_p_: just joking - i dont mind at all :) |
| 12:39 | thd | +1 16th |
| 12:39 | slef | yeah, I won't make that. Big co-op planning meeting at 11 UTC, probably including kohacon2012 |
| 12:40 | but don't let that stop you | |
| 12:40 | Brooke | barring objections |
| 12:40 | 16 November 2 UTC | |
| 12:41 | mtj | paul_p_: omg - i am happy to reach a decision on this topic, thats all :) |
| 12:41 | Brooke | going noce |
| 12:41 | going twice | |
| 12:41 | thd | slef: The hours would not conflict but I assume that your sleep would. |
| 12:41 | Brooke | going gone |
| 12:41 | #agreed next meeting 16 November 2 UTC | |
| 12:41 | #endmeeting | |
| 12:41 | Topic for #koha is now 3.4.5 is now available; Next General IRC Meeting 5 October 2011 at 10:00 UTC | |
| 12:41 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Oct 5 12:41:42 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 12:41 | Minutes: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]-10-05-10.00.html | |
| 12:41 | Minutes (text): http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]1-10-05-10.00.txt | |
| 12:41 | Log: http://librarypolice.com/koha-[…]05-10.00.log.html | |
| 12:41 | paul_p_ | ++ |
| 12:41 | slef | thd: indeed. hard to be sensibly awake 2-4 and then 8-22 |
| 12:42 | paul_p_ | ok, have a good morning, good afternoon, good night, good TV, good lunch, good breakfast, good whatever ! |
| 12:42 | * thd | is not sensibly awake now. |
| 12:42 | slef | thd: no comment ;-) |
| 12:42 | magnuse | yay - 2 and 3/4 hour! |
| 12:43 | oleonard | thanks to all who stayed up late or got up early for this monster meeting |
| 12:43 | magnuse | hear hear |
| 12:43 | jcamins | Did the meeting really last 3:40, or did I have the start time confused? |
| 12:44 | mtj | well done all, we got there in the end :) |
| 12:44 | Brooke | 2.75 jcamins |
| 12:44 | and the bulk in like 2h. | |
| 12:45 | jcamins | Brooke: ah. I thought it was at 5am EST for some reason. |
| 12:45 | slef | ok I'm linking the minutes |
| 12:45 | magnuse | slef++ |
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| 12:46 | * Brooke | can no longer resist the siren call of the nap |
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| 12:53 | slef | wiki pages updated |
| 12:53 | go watch whatever pages you like | |
| 12:53 | thd | slef: how does the perl style treat long line wrapping? |
| 12:54 | oleonard | Oh slef, did you get the official nod for KohaCon 2012? |
| 12:54 | thd | oleonard: Yes overwhelmingly in favour of slef. |
| 12:55 | oleonard | Excellent. I'm definitely trying to make that one. |
| 12:55 | * magnuse | does a little happydance |
| 12:55 | * oleonard | is sad to miss two in a row |
| 12:55 | magnuse | is looking forward to meeting oleonard and lots of other people |
| 12:55 | oleonard | June would be fantastic for me: summer vacation for the family, they can all come along. |
| 12:55 | thd | oleonard: The ballot was not as well publicised as in the past and attracted few votes. |
| 12:56 | oleonard | We didn't have the whole Asian continent spreading the word ;) |
| 12:56 | magnuse | any suggestions for better publicizing? |
| 12:56 | slef | thd: 80 char I think |
| 12:56 | thd | manguse: more lead time. |
| 12:57 | wizzyrea | aight -- time to get ready 4 work nd stuffs |
| 12:57 | thd | manguse: more vigorous discussion on the mailing list. |
| 12:57 | slef | Wasn't the aim to start the 2013 process soon after kohacon 2011 has closed? |
| 12:58 | magnuse | slef: i don't see any harm in that |
| 12:58 | thd | slef: what I meant is how are forced line breaks in an overly long line treated in terms of indentation or lack thereof. |
| 12:58 | ? | |
| 12:58 | slef | thd: see http://search.cpan.org/~shanco[…]ine_Break_Control |
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| 13:04 | magnuse | slef: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ategory:KohaCon12 is all yours now ;-) |
| 13:06 | slef | magnuse: scary! |
| 13:06 | magnuse | hehe, you can do it! ;-) |
| 13:08 | slef | sure... first choice will be to nail down a venue to some dates |
| 13:08 | magnuse | sounds like a good plan! |
| 13:09 | slef | I like that step because mle is in charge of it. The later ones will be more work for me ;) |
| 13:09 | magnuse | i'm ready to propose a talk when you are ready to accept it ;-) |
| 13:09 | mle? | |
| 13:09 | slef | another member of the co-op |
| 13:10 | magnuse | (oops, accept the proposal, i mean) |
| 13:10 | ah, cool | |
| 13:10 | slef | he's based in Edinburgh, which was part of the reason for proposing that city |
| 13:10 | magnuse | ah ha! |
| 13:11 | slef | http://facet.me.uk/ is his personal homepage. |
| 13:12 | magnuse | "solfest"? that's norwegian! ;-) |
| 13:13 | slef | http://facet.me.uk/?p=246 is my favourite recent one |
| 13:14 | magnuse: http://www.solfest.org.uk too it seems | |
| 13:18 | magnuse | yay |
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| 13:22 | mtj | fyi: we now have admin access again - on the nabble Koha lists |
| 13:22 | http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/ | |
| 13:23 | ... and will hopefully sort an historic mail-import very soon :) | |
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| 13:24 | mtj | http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]7917.subapps.html |
| 13:24 | if anyone wants admin access...? ping me ;) | |
| 13:24 | magnuse | mtj++ |
| 13:25 | chris_n | mtj++ |
| 13:26 | we also control #koha on freenode now as a backup in case anyone missed the earlier announcement | |
| 13:28 | kf | cool :) |
| 13:28 | oleonard | Soon we will control the horizontal and the vertical |
| 13:28 | sekjal | oleonard: do you have any comments on bug 6970? |
| 13:28 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6970 major, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW , logout not redirecting to login page |
| 13:29 | oleonard | I don't think we can just remove those lines if that's what you mean |
| 13:29 | the window.close() is used by the cart popup isn't it? | |
| 13:30 | And the redirect to about:blank I thought might have been put there to ensure there was an http transaction to set the cookie? | |
| 13:31 | That's off the top of my head, but I'd be happy to test if you'd like. | |
| 13:31 | sekjal | yes, any testing you can do would be appreciated. Not being able to log out is... bad |
| 13:32 | my testing showed that commenting out the lines did allow logout, and anything in the Cart when I logged out was gone when I logged back in | |
| 13:32 | oleonard | sekjal: Are you willing to look at our leader auto-fill problem? |
| 13:32 | sekjal | oleonard: sure will |
| 13:35 | oleonard | Yeah, commenting out those lines breaks the "empty and close" option in the cart |
| 13:35 | It doesn't mean we couldn't have a different function tied to logout | |
| 13:35 | * oleonard | will tinker |
| 13:38 | sekjal | yes, a logoutBasket function, the same but for those two lines, would be a way to solve it |
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| 13:44 | magnuse | hiya clrh and trea |
| 13:44 | trea | magnuse, hi. o/ |
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| 13:50 | clrh | hello magnuse and all |
| 14:04 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6970] logout not redirecting to login page <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6970> |
| 14:04 | oleonard | Try that sekjal |
| 14:05 | sekjal | thanks, oleonard, was just reading |
| 14:06 | * oleonard | files Bug 6974 |
| 14:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6974 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , MARC21 Leader plugin no longer auto-fills the 000 field |
| 14:08 | sekjal | oleonard: still cannot log out |
| 14:08 | oleonard | did you shift-reload to make sure your basket.js was updated? |
| 14:09 | sekjal | whoops |
| 14:10 | okay, it works | |
| 14:10 | at least, on FF7 | |
| 14:11 | works on Chromium 12, too | |
| 14:12 | * oleonard | tested in IE8 |
| 14:14 | trea | anyone seen a bug with the label creator not splitting callnumbers correctly? |
| 14:14 | adding too many spaces or anything like that? | |
| 14:14 | wizzyrea | hmm, possibly |
| 14:14 | 1s | |
| 14:14 | that *might* have to do with the template | |
| 14:14 | trea | k |
| 14:15 | wizzyrea | the label template |
| 14:16 | bug 3120 | |
| 14:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3120 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Dewey call numbers not splitting correctly on spine labels |
| 14:16 | wizzyrea | but that may not be your issue |
| 14:16 | as it's marked fixed | |
| 14:17 | what's the question | |
| 14:17 | (how is it doing it wrong) | |
| 14:17 | trea | stand by |
| 14:19 | http://screencast.com/t/tjM7k74vaC0T | |
| 14:20 | I've checked the callnumbers of both items in question, and they are exactly the same. So i'm inclined to believe it may have something to do with the template as you've suggested. | |
| 14:27 | jcamins | trea: have you checked whether the behavior is the same on Master? |
| 14:31 | wizzyrea | I think this has something to do with the layout or the template |
| 14:31 | wajasu | chris_n: maybe someone can set the topic on the freenode koha to point them to connect to the irc.oftc.net koha. |
| 14:32 | kf | bye all :) |
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| 14:35 | wizzyrea | the good news, for you parents with tablets |
| 14:35 | getting puke on your tablet won't kill it | |
| 14:35 | the bad news, the kid puked on the tablet | |
| 14:35 | the good news: it still works inside a ziploc bag. | |
| 14:35 | problem solved. | |
| 14:36 | trea | that was my next step jcamins, before vomitpalooza |
| 14:36 | checking now ;) | |
| 14:37 | oleonard | Man, Jane's Addiction played a terrible set at vomitpalooza. |
| 14:37 | jcamins | wizzyrea: did you just try this? |
| 14:37 | wizzyrea | yes, yes I did. |
| 14:37 | jcamins | wizzyrea: ewww. I'm sorry. |
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| 14:43 | sekjal | oleonard: the 000 field does seem to correctly generate on save |
| 14:47 | * oleonard | didn't think it did... will test again |
| 14:47 | sekjal | I'm also finding that it auto-fills if I EDIT a record (just not if I create a new one) |
| 14:48 | oleonard | Overwrites the existing data? |
| 14:48 | Ah, I see... if you clear the field and click back into it? | |
| 14:48 | sekjal | oleonard: yes |
| 14:52 | oleonard | sekjal: Here's a test I just did. I opened both an existing record and a blank record for editing |
| 14:53 | I made a note of the value of 000 in the existing record, then copied the auto-filled spaces from the blank record into the existing one | |
| 14:53 | After saving the existing record, the 000 field is similar to but not exactly what it was before | |
| 14:53 | before: 00848nam a2200313 4500 | |
| 14:53 | after: 00848 a2200313 4500 | |
| 14:58 | sekjal | ...idea |
| 14:58 | now that TransformHTMLtoMARC creates a default 000, perhaps it's an order of operations issue | |
| 14:59 | TransformHTMLtoMARC getting called too early, thus creating a value, thus preventing the JS from working as intended | |
| 15:00 | jcamins | Okay... anyone know how to check if a string *starts* with another string in Perl? |
| 15:01 | Actually, never mind. | |
| 15:02 | slef | jcamins: if ($moo =~ m/^${stem}/) { ... } |
| 15:02 | for completeness | |
| 15:05 | jcamins | Yeah, after a moment I realized how to do it. :) |
| 15:06 | I'm not sure why I didn't think of it immediately, but sometimes it takes a moment. | |
| 15:06 | sekjal | ugh, no, that default 000 value was in there the whole time; the patch only altered the way the params were called |
| 15:06 | paul_p_ | pfiou... 5PM here, and I haven't started what I wanted to do today (except irc meeting) |
| 15:07 | sekjal, have you seen my mail about "fines in days" patch waiting for QA ? PLEASE QA it ! | |
| 15:07 | sekjal | paul_p_: yes, it's in the queue for QA |
| 15:08 | paul_p_ | strike : http://translate.koha-community.org/fr/34/ thx fredericd for taking care of what was still pending !!! |
| 15:08 | french 100% done ! | |
| 15:09 | magnus_afk | yay! |
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| 15:14 | sekjal | oleonard: commenting out line 1041 of cataloguing/addbiblio.pl seems to fix bug 6974 |
| 15:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6974 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , MARC21 Leader plugin no longer auto-fills the 000 field |
| 15:14 | sekjal | not sure what the side effects are, though |
| 15:16 | * oleonard | has no idea |
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| 15:17 | sekjal | I'm asking the original developer of bugfix 6576 |
| 15:18 | wizzyrea | bug 6576 |
| 15:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6576 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, srdjan, ASSIGNED , changing framework while cataloging looses data |
| 15:24 | oleonard | ...the patch of unintended consequences... |
| 15:24 | sekjal | yeah, I should have done a better job QAing that |
| 15:25 | let this be a lesson: this is what happens when you rush testing | |
| 15:25 | magnus_afk | can't catch 'em all... |
| 15:25 | wizzyrea | sorry :( |
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| 15:39 | magnuse | slef: yay! |
| 15:40 | slef | 3mb download oops. Delete the .jpg for a preview I think |
| 15:40 | oh and the i. | |
| 15:41 | oh that's no better | |
| 15:41 | bleah | |
| 15:41 | magnuse | hehe |
| 15:41 | slef | photosharing websites defeat me |
| 15:41 | magnuse | btw: sure you have enough keyboards around? |
| 15:41 | slef | magnuse: you can't see the fourth one because I'm in the way |
| 15:42 | magnuse | ah, that should be ok then ;-) |
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| 15:43 | slef | laptop keyboard is unavoidable, phone keyboard is for texting, bamboo keyboard is for when I'm only typing, cykey is for when I'm editing |
| 15:44 | heh, if you zoom in on the bamboo keyboard you can tell I touch type! ;-) | |
| 15:44 | (they letters are half-worn away) | |
| 15:44 | the | |
| 15:44 | magnuse | hehe |
| 15:44 | slef | touch-typing doesn't mean I can spell. |
| 15:44 | magnuse | and what's the publication? |
| 15:45 | slef | some co-op political promo I think |
| 15:45 | magnuse | ah |
| 15:45 | slef | all the main political parties here say they love co-ops, including the coalition partners, but we've seen little support yet |
| 15:46 | I think that's what it's for, anyway. Someone says to us "help co-ops?" and we often say "yes." | |
| 15:47 | I think it's something like 10% of our resources went on that last year... in Italy, there's a legal requirement for co-ops to help co-ops but it's only 3% I think. | |
| 15:48 | magnuse | did you hear norway got it's koha/free software for libraries organization about a week ago, and it's a co-op? |
| 15:49 | slef | no, missed that while I was off ill! |
| 15:49 | got link? | |
| 15:49 | magnuse | well, almost... |
| 15:49 | donum.no | |
| 15:49 | not much there yet | |
| 15:51 | http://www.bibliotekforum.no/article.php?id=2654 an article from one of the online library journals | |
| 15:51 | * slef | fires up the fish |
| 15:52 | oakivil | Hello #Koha |
| 15:52 | What kind of daat does the bulkauthimport.pl eat? | |
| 15:52 | What kind of data* | |
| 15:52 | jcamins | oakivil: MARC authority records. |
| 15:53 | oakivil | ok |
| 15:53 | thanks yous | |
| 15:54 | slef | magnuse: interesting. Thanks. I'll mention it sometime. |
| 15:55 | magnuse | i'll write an intro to the mail list or the newsletter when i get the time... |
| 15:57 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:00 | nengard | hello all, i'm vaguely remembering a bug report (enhancement) about the availablilty note on the search results for online materials ? does anyone know the bug number on this? |
| 16:01 | jcamins | nengard: you mean AlternateHoldings? |
| 16:05 | Ooh, IndexData's gpg key is about to expire. | |
| 16:05 | nengard | not sure ? |
| 16:06 | jcamins | nengard: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:09 | nengard | sorry - distracted |
| 16:10 | the user has ebooks listed as 'not for loan' and so they say copies available for reference - i thought there was something about not showing 'no items available' and showing the link fro the 856 (I know that's a bit different but it was related) | |
| 16:11 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 16:11 | oleonard | that's an issue we face as well |
| 16:12 | nengard: In the XSL view we get a "connect to title online" link, but we also have a "copies available for reference" line because we have a dummy item attached | |
| 16:13 | http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-b[…]levance&do=Search | |
| 16:14 | nengard | right they don't want it to say 'reference' |
| 16:15 | oleonard | I'm not sure how you define the conditions under which the availability doesn't show |
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| 16:22 | rhcl | Interesting article by Meredith Farkas in the Sept/Oct issue of American Libraries--ostensibly advocating OSS and mentioning Koha, but then quasi-promoting proprietary software "if it's better" |
| 16:22 | magnuse | is it online? |
| 16:23 | rhcl | Quote: "Some open source projects, like Koha, have a strong community of open source developers who are improving the code..." |
| 16:23 | magnuse: don't know, let me see if they have a link. | |
| 16:23 | nengard | Farkas, Meredith. ?Open Source, Open Mind.? American Libraries. Technology in Practice (September 27, 2011). http://americanlibrariesmagazi[…]-source-open-mind. |
| 16:24 | magnuse | yay, thanks! |
| 16:25 | "I’m still a big believer in open source software, but I don’t want to see libraries choosing software solely for philosophical reasons." | |
| 16:26 | oleonard | Not much to that article. |
| 16:28 | It could have easily been "Evaluating software" and talked about the factors which should be considered when evaluating proprietary *and* open source software. | |
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| 16:38 | slef | worth stealing the quote rhcl mentined but bleah at the one magnuse gave |
| 16:39 | if you don't believe in sharing information on a philosophical level, why become a librarian? | |
| 16:40 | magnuse | hehe |
| 16:40 | and free software has some benefits that are far from philosophical | |
| 16:42 | jcamins | Woohoo! I think I just got Puppet to install Koha on Ubuntu Lucid from the packages! |
| 16:42 | magnuse | yay! |
| 16:43 | rhcl | jcamins is a puppet master then? |
| 16:43 | * jcamins | checks the Ubuntu website, more-than-half-expecting to find that that Lucid has been replaced as the LTS. |
| 16:44 | magnuse | i'm having trouble importing patrons - does anyone know off hand if Tools > Import Patrons handles windows line endings properly or not? |
| 16:46 | wizzyrea | nengard: i think NEKLS solved that with a new authorized value |
| 16:46 | of "electronic" | |
| 16:46 | or something | |
| 16:46 | * wizzyrea | checks |
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| 16:46 | jcamins | It has not. Not that this would have been wasted effort, anyway. Understanding what I'm doing is always a good thing. |
| 16:46 | rhcl: not nearly. | |
| 16:46 | wizzyrea | so you have a dummy item |
| 16:47 | it's not reference, it's electronic | |
| 16:47 | magnuse | jcamins: you'll get it right next time! |
| 16:47 | paul_p_ | time to leave... bye & see you tomorrow (my) morning ! |
| 16:47 | wizzyrea | http://catalog.nexpresslibrary[…]blionumber=464981 |
| 16:47 | for example | |
| 16:47 | jcamins | magnuse: no, I got it working. :) |
| 16:48 | wizzyrea | status "download: |
| 16:48 | let me see how she did that | |
| 16:48 | paul_p_ | thx jcamins to remind me that it's BibLibre 4th birthday those days. Should I consider having been choosen as next RM as a birthday gift ? (Is it a gift at all in fact ?) |
| 16:48 | magnuse | jcamins: ah sorry, i was connecting your utterances the wrong way... congrats! |
| 16:48 | wizzyrea | yea, it's a not for loan value |
| 16:48 | of download | |
| 16:49 | nengard_lunch | wizzyrea what does it say on the search reuslts |
| 16:49 | oleonard | http://catalog.nexpresslibrary[…]+gutenberg&limit= |
| 16:49 | wizzyrea | ah yea the same |
| 16:49 | copies available for reference | |
| 16:49 | nengard_lunch | Copies available for reference: NEKLS HQ [eBook] (1). |
| 16:49 | yup | |
| 16:49 | that's what she meant | |
| 16:49 | magnuse | paul_p_: probably a mixed blessing kind of a gift ;-) |
| 16:49 | paul_p_ | magnuse, lol |
| 16:49 | nengard_lunch | maybe we need the authorized value to show on the results instead of the string 'reference' |
| 16:50 | paul_p_ | so, good bye everybody & see you tomorrow ! |
| 16:50 | magnuse | but happy birthday biblibre, anyway! and wow, that means biblibre was just 1 year old when i started to get involved with koha |
| 16:50 | wizzyrea | later paul_p |
| 16:51 | oleonard | Of course paul_p_ has been with us longer than Biblibre has existed |
| 16:51 | magnuse | yup, i know ;-) |
| 16:51 | wizzyrea | yea i'm not sure how to deal with that exactly -- technically that's correct |
| 16:51 | there is a copy available for reference | |
| 16:51 | you download it :P | |
| 16:52 | jcamins | Wait... when do you need to add the IndexData apt line? |
| 16:52 | wizzyrea | and especially since we can now modify the css for xslt in opacusercss |
| 16:52 | you can make that online access link more prominint | |
| 16:52 | prominent | |
| 16:53 | jcamins | Do you have to do that for all versions of Debian and Ubuntu? |
| 16:53 | Or just older versions? | |
| 16:54 | Well, it doesn't hurt anything to have that apt line in there, anyway. | |
| 16:56 | magnuse | jcamins: i don't think you have to worry about indexdata when you install from packages? |
| 16:57 | jcamins | magnuse: oh... |
| 16:57 | Must just be on Lucid? | |
| 16:58 | magnuse | rangi has some packages for ubuntu... |
| 16:58 | jcamins | Hm. idzebra is on Lucid, too. |
| 16:59 | magnuse: yeah, but the instructions for installing the packages on Lucid say to add the apt line. | |
| 16:59 | magnuse | which instructions? |
| 17:00 | jcamins | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing_Koha_packages |
| 17:00 | magnuse | i'm trying to find the link i'm thinking of... |
| 17:00 | jcamins | @later tell eythian Is there any instance in which it is necessary to add the IndexData apt repo to your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, or is that just stale information at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng_Koha_packages? |
| 17:00 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:01 | oleonard | does anyone actually use the randomly generated password suggestions when updating a password? |
| 17:06 | * oleonard | is considering doing away with it in conjunction with changes related to Bug 5280 |
| 17:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5280 normal, P5, ---, cnighswonger, ASSIGNED , Fix password field in members.pl so that the password is masked as it is entered |
| 17:09 | slef | oleonard: aren't they only 4-chars? |
| 17:09 | oleonard | the length of the suggested password is defined by your minimum password length system pref |
| 17:09 | slef | yeah, but by default |
| 17:09 | magnuse | jcamins_away: here: https://launchpad.net/~koha PPAs for Stable and Development |
| 17:10 | slef | boo launchpad |
| 17:10 | magnuse | @later tell jcamins https://launchpad.net/~koha |
| 17:10 | huginn | magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:11 | slef | launchpad is bad because it creates accounts for developers without their consent, without telling them, without any way to opt out. |
| 17:11 | oleonard | slef: sysprefs.sql sets the default minimum password length to 3 |
| 17:11 | magnuse | slef: noted |
| 17:13 | slef | I remember https://launchpad.net/~slef https://launchpad.net/~mjr and I think there are other accounts for me there, only one of which admits it's an autocreate. I don't remember what it does if you contact me through launchpad on any of them. |
| 17:17 | I get ranty about that. Freedom of association is a human right, including freedom not to associate. | |
| 17:17 | evil buggers creating pseuds for people without asking, trying to track us. | |
| 17:18 | I actually think this is worse than facebook. At least people sign up for facebook, even if they have trouble resigning from it. | |
| 17:19 | collum | @wunder 41017 |
| 17:19 | huginn | collum: The current temperature in Erlanger, Kentucky is 22.8°C (1:18 PM EDT on October 05, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.29 in 1025.6 hPa (Rising). |
| 17:20 | slef | @wunder EggD |
| 17:20 | huginn | slef: The current temperature in Bristol Airport, United Kingdom is 16.0°C (5:50 PM BST on October 05, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:22 | slef | @wunder EgPH |
| 17:22 | huginn | slef: The current temperature in Edinburgh Airport, United Kingdom is 15.0°C (5:50 PM BST on October 05, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:23 | slef | @wunder EgBV |
| 17:23 | huginn | slef: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 17:23 | slef | @wunder EgBT |
| 17:23 | huginn | slef: The current temperature in Bicester, United Kingdom is 18.0°C (6:05 PM BST on October 05, 2011). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Falling). |
| 17:27 | rhcl | Wolfram Alpha tells me EggD is 9°F below the optimal temperature for eating halavah. And jcamins is the Wolfram Alpha of food who can tell us what the heck halavah is. Firefox needs a jcamins search engine plugin. |
| 17:27 | jcamins_away | Mmmm. Halwa. |
| 17:27 | Actually, that's just the Arabic word for candy. | |
| 17:28 | rhcl | see, what'd I tell ya? |
| 17:28 | jcamins_away | The traditional varieties are... |
| 17:28 | rhcl | here we go |
| 17:28 | jcamins_away | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halva |
| 17:29 | (there are some pictures) | |
| 17:29 | Tahini halva with pistachio. | |
| 17:32 | Semolina halva. | |
| 17:32 | The balls with sesame seeds on them. | |
| 17:32 | (I can't find pictures of the latter two) | |
| 17:32 | There are tons of varieties, though. | |
| 17:32 | Mostly very tasty. | |
| 17:32 | * jcamins_away | leaves for real this time. |
| 17:33 | rhcl | time to get back to MLA |
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| 18:07 | slef | Halva is nice, prefer to avoid the stuff from occupied territories that is on sale in the UK. |
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| 18:07 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6977] Support for repeated subfields when importing an authority into a biblio record field. <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6977> |
| 18:13 | sekjal | jcamins_away: 6977 looks up your alley |
| 18:15 | slef | http://skoulikas.com/sesame.htm is the better one |
| 18:18 | f18 | hi everyone! I'd like to import MARC21 records from an old ISIS-system and succeed, but I cannot find my records afterwards in the search/catalogue. I guess there is a problem with the 952 tag (LOCATION AND ITEM INFORMATION), because after the import I can "open" the record and view the tags (under the button "import this batch into the catalog") ... but 952 is missing? if my question is to weired, please tell me. |
| 18:18 | *too | |
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| 18:24 | chris_n | wajasu: the topic for that channel does that |
| 18:30 | oleonard | Bug 5044 |
| 18:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5044 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , should be able to page through z39.50 search results |
| 18:30 | oleonard | Is it true that there *are* additional pages of search results? |
| 18:31 | rangi | im not sure |
| 18:31 | i know it probaby returns more results than it shows | |
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| 18:37 | slef | f18: check if your ISIS export has any 952 tags. 9xx fields are local use, layout specific to Koha. |
| 18:37 | f18: if not, use something to edit the file to map whatever you do have (852 most often; sometimes 942 or 999) to 952. | |
| 18:37 | bbl | |
| 18:41 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6975] OPACBaseURL called as OPACBaseurl in many templates <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6975> |
| 18:50 | oleonard | Well the z39.50 search definitely returns more than 20 results |
| 18:50 | warn $numresults; -> 759 | |
| 18:51 | I guess the question is whether you can pass a limit to the search and get only page two of the results | |
| 18:51 | rangi | right I guess we could page through them all? |
| 18:51 | would have to look at the code | |
| 18:51 | I suspect not | |
| 18:51 | hopefully im wrong | |
| 18:53 | * magnus_afk | has 2 kinds of halva in his fridge |
| 18:57 | rangi | how did the halva discussion come up? |
| 18:57 | I was just trying to remember the name of it last night! | |
| 19:01 | * magnus_afk | saw someone mentioning it in the scrollback... |
| 19:02 | cait | hi all :) |
| 19:03 | rangi | hi cait |
| 19:03 | magnus_afk | guten abend cait |
| 19:03 | cait | :) |
| 19:13 | * chris_n | greets cait |
| 19:16 | cait | hi chris_n :) |
| 19:16 | ropuch | There was third option to uploading file in pootle (beside Merge & add conflict as suggestions and Add all new traslation aas suggestion), right? |
| 19:18 | gmcharlt | @kohanews |
| 19:18 | huginn | gmcharlt: Koha 3.4.5 is now available <http://koha-community.org/koha-3-4-5/> / Koha Newsletter: Volume 2/Issue 9: September 2011 <http://koha-community.org/koha[…]9-september-2011/> / Koha Newsletter: Volume 2/Issue 8: August 2011 <http://koha-community.org/koha[…]ue-8-august-2011/> / Koha 3.4.4 is now available <http://koha-community.org/koha-3-4-4/> / Key (2 more messages) |
| 19:18 | gmcharlt | @more |
| 19:18 | huginn | gmcharlt: Dates for 3.6.0 <http://koha-community.org/key-dates-3-6-0/> / Koha Newsletter: Volume 2/Issue 7: July 2011 <http://koha-community.org/koha[…]ssue-7-july-2011/> / Koha 3.4.3 is now available <http://koha-community.org/koha-3-4-3/> / KohaCon11 – programme ideas wanted <http://koha-community.org/koha[…]mme-ideas-wanted/> / Koha 3.4.2 is now available <http://koha- (1 more message) |
| 19:18 | gmcharlt | @more |
| 19:18 | huginn | gmcharlt: community.org/koha-3-4-2/> / Koha Newsletter: Volume 2/Issue 6: June 2011 <http://koha-community.org/koha[…]ssue-6-june-2011/> |
| 19:19 | rangi | cool :) |
| 19:19 | chris_n | very |
| 19:19 | magnuse | yay |
| 19:20 | gmcharlt | ok, it should now be set up to announce website posts in #koha-news on FreeNode |
| 19:20 | rangi | hmm will someone answer magnuse I wonder ;) |
| 19:20 | cool | |
| 19:20 | chris_n | nice |
| 19:20 | huginn++ | |
| 19:21 | magnuse | gmcharlt++ |
| 19:22 | someone might want to update http://fulfillment-ill.org/ a little - "When completed in about two years" - just sayin' ;-) | |
| 19:24 | * oleonard | was just asked about that yesterday |
| 19:24 | wonders why the mailing list archive is private | |
| 19:26 | applaud's magnuse's deft use of "y'all" in his list message | |
| 19:28 | rangi | heh |
| 19:29 | magnuse | i have tried to join the mailinglist several times, but i never get the promised confirmation message |
| 19:29 | oleonard: how was that deft? | |
| 19:29 | or did you mean daft? ;-) | |
| 19:30 | rangi | heh |
| 19:30 | oleonard | English suffers from the lack of a second person plural pronoun |
| 19:31 | * magnuse | 's eyes glaze over... |
| 19:32 | hates grammar, loves english... ;-) | |
| 19:34 | rangi | woo darla answered go alaska! |
| 19:36 | magnuse | yay |
| 19:36 | got a direct one from texas too! | |
| 19:37 | oleonard | magnuse: I just got onto the fulfillment-general list and it doesn't look like there's been any posts since Nov. 2010 |
| 19:37 | rangi | see thats the problem too, ppl answer offlist |
| 19:37 | so its less obvious that people are getting answers | |
| 19:37 | magnuse | yeah, that's a bit of a shame |
| 19:37 | rangi | oh i like bug 6978 |
| 19:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6978 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, NEW , Notify the user on his account page when it is almost expired. |
| 19:38 | magnuse | and just the one who asked is benefiting from the answer |
| 19:38 | rangi | some good stuff coming from libéo |
| 19:39 | so who is gonna write up the election results? | |
| 19:39 | * rangi | realises that by asking he probably just volunteered |
| 19:39 | rangi | dangit |
| 19:39 | magnuse | moahaha |
| 19:40 | * rangi | will write a blog post on koha-community and email links to it |
| 19:43 | magnuse | yay! |
| 19:45 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6978] Notify the user on his account page when it is almost expired. <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6978> |
| 19:47 | f18 | slef: thank you for your answer and sorry for my late response. But the records have the 952 tag, because I created it manually. |
| 19:49 | the old ISIS system is dumb, because there was only the simplest way of book management and nothing more | |
| 19:50 | magnuse | hoiw does that saying go? "be lenient in what data you consume and strict in what data you produce" or something? the norwegian national library is harvesting records and being very picky about what data should go where... they ought to be able to transform it themselves, i think |
| 19:51 | rangi | i agree magnuse |
| 19:54 | maximep | rangi: thanks =). Yeah and we have a few more patches coming up soon! |
| 19:54 | rangi | awesome! |
| 19:58 | proof read please | |
| 19:58 | http://koha-community.org/koha[…]ase-team-elected/ | |
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| 19:59 | rangi | ohh bad grammar in first sentence |
| 19:59 | i fail | |
| 19:59 | * rangi | fixes |
| 19:59 | magnuse | i think chris_n only volunteered if no one else volunteers before 3.6 is released? |
| 19:59 | rangi | sshhh |
| 19:59 | :) | |
| 19:59 | magnuse | hehe |
| 20:00 | rangi | yeah ill update it to say that |
| 20:00 | cait | rangi++ |
| 20:00 | chris_n | did someone say the word 'volunteer'? |
| 20:00 | magnuse | ownership of [a] section |
| 20:00 | rangi | ta |
| 20:00 | magnuse | in the last sentence |
| 20:00 | cait | comma after druart |
| 20:01 | magnuse | many eyeballs etc ;-) |
| 20:01 | rangi | :) |
| 20:01 | hows that now? | |
| 20:01 | cait | ok |
| 20:01 | I actually volunteered to have 2 roles | |
| 20:01 | * cait | feels like it finally sinks in |
| 20:02 | rangi | lol busy cait |
| 20:02 | magnuse | hehe |
| 20:02 | cait | why did noone stop me? :) |
| 20:02 | rangi | let the tweeting commence |
| 20:02 | magnuse | moahahah |
| 20:02 | rangi | ill email the list too now |
| 20:02 | magnuse | rangi: this is nitpicking, but there seems to be two spaces here: "ownership of**a section" |
| 20:02 | cait | oh cookies on themailing list |
| 20:02 | finally :) | |
| 20:03 | rangi | thats nz english |
| 20:03 | we do that | |
| 20:03 | * rangi | makes stuff up |
| 20:03 | fixes | |
| 20:03 | rangi | done |
| 20:03 | magnuse | yay! |
| 20:04 | * chris_n | gets a kick out of huginn's news announcement: "New commit(s) kohanews:" |
| 20:04 | rangi | heh |
| 20:04 | looks like cookies was the way to get ppl to talk on the mailing list ;) | |
| 20:05 | * chris_n | posted the new channel info to the list |
| 20:05 | rangi | sweet |
| 20:05 | * cait | should have known that |
| 20:05 | rangi | incoming |
| 20:05 | random message to the mailing list | |
| 20:06 | chris_n | k, time to head home |
| 20:08 | rangi | im not touching that best ils email :) |
| 20:08 | email about 3.8 away | |
| 20:09 | heh oleonard did :) | |
| 20:09 | * oleonard | sends an in-depth, well-argued, meticulously-documented answer |
| 20:09 | rangi | heh |
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| 20:09 | magnuse | lol |
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| 20:10 | * oleonard | quits before he gets into any more trouble |
| 20:13 | magnuse | blocking cookies? |
| 20:14 | rangi | :) |
| 20:16 | paul_p_ | rangi, my name is Poulain, not poulan (cf the news on k-c.org) + we usually spell BibLibre (not Biblibre) |
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| 20:20 | rangi | doh, i cant believe i typoed that |
| 20:21 | Tyree has just started at catalyst, she is gonna be bossing me and robin around | |
| 20:21 | paul_p_: fixed | |
| 20:21 | paul_p_ | thanks ! |
| 20:22 | rangi | just showing her round |
| 20:22 | Tyree | Hi ya! |
| 20:24 | cait | hi Tyree :) |
| 20:24 | hint: you can bribe rangi with chocolate and cookies | |
| 20:25 | Tyree | ah good to know...... |
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| 20:25 | magnuse | hiya Tyree! |
| 20:26 | * magnuse | calls it a day |
| 20:26 | cait | bye magnus_away :) |
| 20:33 | rangi | hmm thursday alreday |
| 20:33 | seriousl | |
| 20:33 | y | |
| 20:33 | community source? | |
| 20:34 | what is wrong with those kuali people | |
| 20:34 | lets just reinvent everything, including the terms | |
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| 20:36 | chris_n2 | we probably should remove H::T::P as a dependency in 3.6 |
| 20:36 | heh | |
| 20:37 | rangi | heh true |
| 20:37 | chris_n2 | its amazing where emoticons pop up |
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| 21:12 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6979] LDAP authentication fails during password comparison <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6979> |
| 21:27 | jcamins_away | bug 6977 |
| 21:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6977 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, fcapovilla, NEW , Support for repeated subfields when importing an authority into a biblio record field. |
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| 21:39 | talljoy | hi all! |
| 21:39 | rangi | sup talljoy ? |
| 21:39 | talljoy | i am getting a "software error" when running a keyword search from the opac. Can't call method "data" on an undefined value at /home/load11/kohaclone/C4/Biblio.pm line 1220. |
| 21:39 | is that referring to some bad marc? | |
| 21:39 | rangi | yup |
| 21:39 | usually | |
| 21:39 | talljoy | thought so. any ideas on how to track it down? |
| 21:40 | rangi | a bad marcxml |
| 21:40 | * talljoy | wishes marc really was dead. |
| 21:40 | * rangi | too |
| 21:40 | jcamins_away | talljoy: look for a record with UTF-8 in the call number. |
| 21:40 | talljoy | in the callnumber? |
| 21:40 | jcamins_away | (if you have a limited number of possibilities it could be. |
| 21:40 | Yeah. | |
| 21:41 | I have no idea why that's an issue, maybe sekjal can explain, but that screws things up majorly. | |
| 21:43 | talljoy | they have pretty straightforward callnumbers, don't know if that's it |
| 21:43 | only takes one, i suppose. | |
| 21:43 | rangi | one in the first 20 returned |
| 21:43 | or it could be a really long record | |
| 21:43 | oen with a zillion items | |
| 21:44 | talljoy | how can i see what is being returned if i only get an error in the opac? |
| 21:45 | was running this command from the commandline... perl $PERL5LIB/opac/opac-search.pl q='french' | |
| 21:45 | and it returns a number of marc records and then after the last one pfffft. quits | |
| 21:45 | http://pastebin.com/8bt2kkd7 | |
| 21:46 | rangi | yeah so its the next one in the set :) |
| 21:46 | talljoy | which is? |
| 21:46 | lol | |
| 21:46 | that's the 6 million dollar question | |
| 21:46 | rangi | what id do |
| 21:46 | talljoy | all ears, here. |
| 21:46 | rangi | is put a warn in |
| 21:46 | C4/Biblio.pm | |
| 21:47 | before line 1220 | |
| 21:47 | or better | |
| 21:47 | 2 secs ill do a snippet of code for ya | |
| 21:47 | this is master right? | |
| 21:47 | talljoy | yes |
| 21:48 | rangi | $pubyear = substr $record->field('008')->data(), 7, 4; |
| 21:48 | its a record that doesnt have an 008 | |
| 21:48 | line 1219 | |
| 21:48 | do a | |
| 21:49 | warn "title of dodgy record is $title"; | |
| 21:49 | just before the | |
| 21:49 | f ($titletype eq 'a') { | |
| 21:49 | then you should get a line in the error log with the title in it | |
| 21:49 | should help you find it in the db | |
| 21:50 | talljoy | ok. will try that. |
| 21:50 | thanks | |
| 21:53 | rangi | good luck |
| 21:53 | talljoy | i'll probably need it. |
| 21:54 | lol | |
| 21:54 | eythian | @later tell nengard your computer's clock is about 3 days out of date, just fyi |
| 21:54 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:55 | jcamins_away | rangi: in what cases does one need to add the IndexData apt repository for installing Koha from packages? |
| 21:55 | eythian | jcamins_away: I'm not sure about Lucid, but in Debian it's not necessary |
| 21:55 | heh was just answering that | |
| 21:55 | rangi | yeah maybe only lucid |
| 21:55 | jcamins_away | rangi: never mind, eythian answered. |
| 21:55 | eythian | debian had an out of date one, but just before release they updated it. |
| 21:55 | rangi | it might be in the multiverse or cosmos or whatever the hell they call it |
| 21:55 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 21:55 | eythian | rangi: heliosphere |
| 21:56 | rangi | heh |
| 21:56 | jcamins | Cool. I'll move that to the Ubuntu Lucid-only section of my Puppet config. |
| 21:57 | chris_n2 | naughty space in a filename |
| 21:57 | jcamins | Which package was it required for? |
| 21:58 | eythian | jcamins: idzebra, or something like that |
| 21:58 | jcamins | eythian: ah. idzebra is in Lucid. |
| 21:58 | eythian | not sure exactly |
| 21:58 | yeah, but what version? | |
| 21:58 | jcamins | Errr... |
| 21:59 | Wait, idzebra is not in lucid. It's in maverick. | |
| 21:59 | eythian | ah right |
| 22:01 | * chris_n2 | did not think that spaces in file names were legal |
| 22:01 | chris_n2 | but here is one: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8fc380850;hb=HEAD |
| 22:02 | archival lDVD.gif | |
| 22:02 | and it sends dmake (win32) into a tail spin | |
| 22:02 | if there are no objections, I'll send along a patch to replace the space with an underscore | |
| 22:02 | eythian | chris_n2: spaces in filenames are fine, but they somtimes require special handling and are often best avoided. |
| 22:03 | chris_n2 | actually, that looks to be a typo |
| 22:04 | based on the naming pattern I think it should be 'archivalDVD.gif' | |
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| 22:07 | rangi | hi Irma |
| 22:08 | git mv oughta fix that chris_n2 :) | |
| 22:08 | Irma | G'day rangi |
| 22:08 | sorry I missed the Koha meeting yesterday | |
| 22:12 | eythian | yeah, I clean forgot about that too |
| 22:16 | chris_n2 | rangi: I'll fix it in the morning; dmake is happy again |
| 22:17 | my particular form of insanity has struck again ;-) | |
| 22:20 | rangi | eythian: mtj told us of your drunken escapades |
| 22:20 | chris_n2 ;) | |
| 22:20 | eythian | he's one to talk :) |
| 22:21 | rangi | hehe |
| 22:21 | he made it back for the last half of the meeting at least :) | |
| 22:21 | wizzyrea | keke |
| 22:21 | eythian | well had I remembered I could have just IRCed from there. |
| 22:22 | wizzyrea | that would have been amusing |
| 22:23 | rangi | :) |
| 22:23 | eythian | with a pint is really the only way to do meetings :) |
| 22:23 | wizzyrea | I suppose you're right |
| 22:23 | * jcamins | agrees. |
| 22:24 | has all his meetings with wine, but the idea is the same. ;) | |
| 22:24 | wizzyrea | you could put your transformer in a ziploc bag, that way drunken fllailing is guaranteed not to spill beer on it |
| 22:24 | works on vomit :P | |
| 22:25 | rangi | hehe |
| 22:26 | eythian | I tend not to spill beer. |
| 22:26 | Only heathens spill beer | |
| 22:26 | jcamins | That seems like a shameful waste. |
| 22:27 | eythian | It would be, yeah |
| 22:27 | wizzyrea | just sayin... YOU might not spill the beer |
| 22:27 | but your barmates... | |
| 22:27 | can't be counted on. | |
| 22:28 | eythian | I didn't see mtj spill anything either |
| 22:29 | rangi | :) |
| 22:47 | jcamins | eythian: I got Puppet to install Koha. :D |
| 22:47 | eythian | awesomecross :) |
| 22:47 | rangi | schweet |
| 22:47 | jcamins | On Lucid, no less! |
| 22:47 | eythian | terrible! I mean, great! :) |
| 22:48 | jcamins | If it works on Lucid, which requires a list of special cases as long as my arm, that means that I'm starting to understand what I'm doing. ;) |
| 22:51 | eythian | ah, a good plan then :) |
| 22:55 | jcamins | Also, my EC2 server's running Lucid at the moment, so Puppet needs to handle it. |
| 22:55 | eythian | ah yep |
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| 23:35 | jcamins | Has anyone ever heard of BiblioCommons before? |
| 23:40 | Don't everyone answer at once. | |
| 23:46 | wizzyrea | i hav |
| 23:46 | e | |
| 23:46 | a library in our system (not a nexpress library) uses it | |
| 23:46 | and I know someone who works there | |
| 23:47 | jcamins | It looks surprisingly nice. |
| 23:47 | From a user's point of view. | |
| 23:47 | wizzyrea | it is |
| 23:47 | we really need to work on our opac | |
| 23:48 | jcamins | We sure do. |
| 23:48 | NYPL just adopted Bibliocommons. | |
| 23:48 | wizzyrea | mhm |
| 23:49 | jcamins | Other than the social stuff, a lot of the formatting could be done with CSS. |
| 23:49 | wizzyrea | ya |
| 23:49 | jcamins | But boy does it make a difference. |
| 23:50 | wizzyrea | yeap |
| 23:50 | we can learn how NOT to do it by looking at autographics' illuminar | |
| 23:50 | it's abysmal | |
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| 23:51 | jcamins | Wait while it loads? |
| 23:51 | wizzyrea | yes |
| 23:51 | and while it crashes your computer with poorly programmed flash | |
| 23:51 | jcamins | Hey... I've seen these icons before. |
| 23:52 | Ooh, love the fading! | |
| 23:52 | wizzyrea | oh are you looking at iluminar? |
| 23:52 | jcamins | Scroll just right and you can make the buttons at the top flicker in a seizure-inducing fashion. |
| 23:52 | Yep. | |
| 23:53 | wizzyrea | keke |
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| 23:56 | jcamins | Wish they'd share their solr configuration. |
| 23:56 | wizzyrea | who |
| 23:56 | iluinar? | |
| 23:57 | jcamins | Bibliocommons. |
| 23:57 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 23:57 | wonder if they would... | |
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