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| 00:02 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Fix for Bug 6602 - Reports dictionary doesn't properly recognize text columns <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b4aad591d17359830> |
| 00:02 | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6727] can't import frameworks <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6727> | |
| 00:14 | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_5498' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]03f48e94fab0bb308> / Follow-up fix for Bug 5498, Standardize markup and style of pagination menus <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7b32108e6cf14a5a5> | |
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| 00:17 | cait | hi again #koha |
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| 00:35 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #392: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/392/ |
| 00:35 | oleonard: Fix for Bug 6602 - Reports dictionary doesn't properly recognize text columns | |
| 00:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6602 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Reports dictionary doesn't properly recognize text columns |
| 00:36 | jenkins_koha | Starting build 393 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #385 6 j 14 h ago) |
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| 00:41 | rangi | where are you now cait ? |
| 00:43 | cait | hotel |
| 00:43 | finaly | |
| 00:43 | we had to take a taxi from the station, was too late | |
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| 00:43 | cait | hi sekjal |
| 00:43 | sekjal | hi cait |
| 00:43 | rangi | glad you made to the hotel |
| 00:44 | and the hotel has wifi? | |
| 00:46 | cait | nope |
| 00:46 | or yes it has, but using umts | |
| 00:46 | way cheaper | |
| 00:46 | rangi | ah ok |
| 00:46 | cait | 3 euro/hour vs. 2.50 for 24 hours |
| 00:46 | rangi | wow |
| 00:46 | yes | |
| 00:48 | cait | time to sleep - long day tomorrow :) |
| 00:49 | bye all | |
| 00:49 | rangi | sleep well |
| 00:49 | and have fun | |
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| 00:50 | rangi | https://infomalias.wordpress.c[…]gaining-momentum/ |
| 00:50 | good to see its 3.4.4 :) | |
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| 01:13 | druthb | o/ |
| 01:14 | Agent_Dani | \o |
| 01:14 | * Agent_Dani | just got home from class. |
| 01:18 | mtj | rangi: wow, great news re: maldives libraries |
| 01:18 | and heathnet, nepal++ :) | |
| 01:19 | s/heath/health/ | |
| 01:20 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #393: STILL UNSTABLE in 44 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/393/ |
| 01:20 | oleonard: Follow-up fix for Bug 5498, Standardize markup and style of pagination menus | |
| 01:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5498 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Standardize markup and style of pagination menus |
| 01:23 | mtj | ... its great seeing koha installation knowledge spreading around the world |
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| 02:07 | mtj | http://xkcd.com/612/ |
| 02:18 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 5866] At larger hold volume, waitingreserves.pl for all libraries times out, can cause generalized slowness <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5866> |
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| 02:19 | Brooke | kia ora |
| 02:19 | rangi | hi brooke |
| 02:20 | Brooke | :) howdy |
| 02:20 | sekjal | oooh, that's a free Pass QA if anyone can test and verify that it does indeed reduce slowness on a large hold volume |
| 02:20 | (easy patch to read) | |
| 02:21 | rangi | yeah i need liz or someone with a big db of holds |
| 02:21 | it sped it up on mine, but i want to know if that was the only cause of slowness (it was doing an exhaustive search) | |
| 02:22 | sekjal | I can't see how it could slow anything down |
| 02:22 | except possible the time to do the database update | |
| 02:22 | but that's a one-time thing | |
| 02:23 | would I could do more, but my eyes are crossing. time for some rest | |
| 02:25 | rangi | yep |
| 02:40 | bg | ah that could be pretty sweet |
| 02:40 | thinking if I have a sample somewhere… | |
| 02:40 | maybe vokal test? | |
| 02:40 | the database is getting refreshed this weekend | |
| 02:42 | sekjal | wouldn't even have to apply the patch; could just make the change in the DB directly |
| 02:43 | rangi | yup |
| 02:43 | sekjal | record the time it takes before application, the time it takes to actually do the indexing, and the time it takes after |
| 02:43 | that would make a QA Manager VERY happy | |
| 02:43 | bg | yeah that's what I was thinking |
| 02:43 | not worried about the patch :) | |
| 02:44 | sekjal | alright, the next thing to make the QA Manager happy is some sleep |
| 02:44 | night, all | |
| 02:44 | bg | 1500 holds in there |
| 02:44 | is that big enough? | |
| 02:45 | rangi | rule the query in there now |
| 02:45 | just in mysql | |
| 02:45 | and it will tell you how long it takes | |
| 02:45 | if it takes a while, then yep | |
| 02:46 | bg | 0.00 sec |
| 02:46 | not big enough though only 139 rows | |
| 02:46 | for the query | |
| 02:46 | rangi | yeah |
| 02:46 | how many in nekls? | |
| 02:46 | since they reported it | |
| 02:47 | (there test db maybe) | |
| 02:47 | their even | |
| 02:47 | :) | |
| 02:48 | bg | 6768 holds |
| 02:48 | 1566 in query - seemed pretty fast though | |
| 02:49 | (0.00 sec) | |
| 02:49 | rangi | hmm |
| 02:49 | can you do this for me | |
| 02:49 | explain then the query | |
| 02:50 | bg | explain SELECT borrowernumber,reservedate,itemnumber,waitingdate FROM reserves |
| 02:50 | WHERE priority='0' AND found='W'; | |
| 02:50 | or explain; | |
| 02:50 | then the query | |
| 02:50 | rangi | the first |
| 02:50 | wahanui | rumour has it the first is the command i ran |
| 02:50 | bg | cool - what do you want to know |
| 02:50 | I ran the first | |
| 02:51 | rangi | is it using an index now? |
| 02:51 | bg | key = priorityfoundidx |
| 02:51 | rangi | ohh |
| 02:51 | so you have already created the index | |
| 02:51 | bg | yup |
| 02:51 | did that first | |
| 02:51 | rangi | ahh |
| 02:51 | dang | |
| 02:51 | now we cant tell if it sped it up or not | |
| 02:51 | :) | |
| 02:51 | bg | ahhh... |
| 02:52 | rangi | altho 0.00 is pretty fast :) |
| 02:52 | bg | heh |
| 02:52 | rangi | you should be able to drop it |
| 02:52 | bg | I can run that fast |
| 02:52 | rangi | drop index priorityfoundidx; |
| 02:52 | then try the explain, and just the query | |
| 02:52 | see if its much slower | |
| 02:53 | bg | DROP INDEX priorityfoundidx; |
| 02:53 | no cigar | |
| 02:54 | rangi | hmm i cant remember the command |
| 02:54 | * rangi | googles |
| 02:54 | bg | nope it's not dropping for me |
| 02:54 | eythian | just 'drop' maybe |
| 02:54 | rangi | ahhh |
| 02:54 | eythian | or delete |
| 02:54 | no, I think just drop | |
| 02:54 | rangi | alter table reserves drop index priorityfoundidx; |
| 02:54 | try that | |
| 02:55 | bg | yup does the trick |
| 02:55 | ok same result 0.00 - let me try explain | |
| 02:55 | yup all NULL now | |
| 02:56 | rangi | yeah result will be in mysqls query cache now |
| 02:56 | so hard to test | |
| 02:57 | i dunno if you can tell that to flush | |
| 02:58 | bg | well trying it in the staff-side (but my results are only 320) |
| 02:58 | rangi | but the good news is, it doesnt make it any slower ;) |
| 02:58 | bg | wait is this holds queue or holds awaiting |
| 02:58 | rangi | holds awaiting |
| 02:58 | bg | ah whoops |
| 02:59 | ok spinning away | |
| 03:01 | still spinning | |
| 03:01 | let me add the index and see what happens | |
| 03:02 | rangi | hmm if its still spinning it may be that that query is only part of the issue |
| 03:02 | bg | well I added back the index and it's sitting there spinning away now |
| 03:02 | rangi | right so thats only fixed a bit of it, there must be something else without an index |
| 03:03 | in mysql | |
| 03:03 | can you run | |
| 03:03 | show full processlist; | |
| 03:04 | bg | what do you wanna know |
| 03:04 | rangi | is there a query that has been running for a while there? |
| 03:05 | bg | no |
| 03:05 | 3 rows all with a time of 0 | |
| 03:05 | rangi | hmm, but it still spinning? |
| 03:05 | bg | still spinning |
| 03:05 | rangi | hmm ok ill keep hunting |
| 03:07 | bg | ok that time it went through |
| 03:07 | I've got 1566 holds over | |
| 03:07 | rangi | but it took a while still eh? |
| 03:07 | bg | I selected a branch that time |
| 03:07 | rangi | yeah |
| 03:07 | bg | I was in as NO_Library_set |
| 03:07 | let me try it again | |
| 03:07 | rangi | seems that a branch makes it faster, without a branch slower |
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| 03:08 | Brooke | 0/ |
| 03:08 | rangi | but the only thing different is the query it runs |
| 03:08 | bg | yup took about 45 seconds to load |
| 03:09 | rangi | right so its a function of the number of results returned it seems |
| 03:09 | ok, well that index will speed it up, but it needs more speed, working on that now :) | |
| 03:09 | Brooke | Move to plaid! |
| 03:10 | bg | :) |
| 03:11 | rangi | ah ha |
| 03:11 | yeah its the looping over each reserve that is the slow bit | |
| 03:11 | eythian | rangi: eventually we should hook this recommendations stuff to work with the star rating stuff. |
| 03:12 | Brooke | http://www.liveplasma.com/ |
| 03:12 | rangi | yeah |
| 03:14 | right i see what we are doing | |
| 03:14 | we are fetching a craptonne of info about the borrower | |
| 03:14 | when all we need is name, phone and email address | |
| 03:16 | yay | |
| 03:16 | got a fix | |
| 03:16 | do you have a sec to test something for me (it works on my 400 items) bg? | |
| 03:16 | bg | yup shoot it here |
| 03:16 | rangi | in circ/waitingreserves.pl |
| 03:16 | there is a line | |
| 03:16 | my $getborrower = GetMemberDetails( $num->{'borrowernumber'} ); | |
| 03:16 | comment that out | |
| 03:16 | and replace it with | |
| 03:17 | my $getborrower = GetMember(borrowernumber => $num->{'borrowernumber'}); | |
| 03:17 | then try the webpage again | |
| 03:19 | bg | yup about 15 secs |
| 03:19 | maybe less | |
| 03:19 | rangi | yay! |
| 03:19 | will attach updated patch | |
| 03:19 | bg | that time about 8 secs |
| 03:19 | no stopwatch here | |
| 03:22 | rangi | k updated patch |
| 03:22 | bg | cool |
| 03:22 | rangi | creates index, and fixes the perl |
| 03:22 | bg | noice |
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| 03:40 | Brooke | 0/ |
| 03:42 | libsysguy1 | So I have a random question for anybody that feels up to answering it |
| 03:42 | I know that Notifications really needs to be rewritten | |
| 03:42 | is there anybody out there interested in teaming up on it? | |
| 03:42 | rangi | probably better hitting the list with that |
| 03:43 | libsysguy1 | the bugs list or the rfc wiki? |
| 03:43 | I wasn't really sure where to start with it | |
| 03:43 | rangi | id email the main koha list, see if other libraries are interested |
| 03:44 | libsysguy1 | ok will do |
| 03:44 | Brooke | you might also want to put an rfc on the wiki if one isn't there |
| 03:44 | libsysguy1 | on a scale of 1-10 how deep in it am I? |
| 03:44 | rangi | its a fairly big job |
| 03:45 | libsysguy1 | yeah that is what I thought. I know that notifications are in at least 3 cron scripts but i haven't really looked anywhere else |
| 03:48 | rangi | its mostly in a module |
| 03:48 | libsysguy1 | I was afraid of that lol |
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| 04:07 | Brooke | hey oak :D |
| 04:07 | * Oak | waves |
| 04:07 | Oak | hey Brooke :^] |
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| 04:10 | Amit_Gupta | heya chris |
| 04:10 | Brendan there ? | |
| 04:10 | Brooke | hi Amit |
| 04:10 | bg | hi amit |
| 04:10 | Amit_Gupta | heya Brooke |
| 04:11 | bg: Brendan | |
| 04:11 | bg | yup |
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| 04:22 | Brooke | bid! |
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| 06:15 | raj | hi |
| 06:15 | when we try to create barcode labels i get the following error. | |
| 06:15 | "MarkIssueReturned" is not exported by the C4::Circulation modu | |
| 06:16 | any suggestions? | |
| 06:37 | ?? | |
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| 06:39 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:39 | wahanui | hola, reiveune |
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| 06:57 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6772] Implementation of a recommendations engine <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6772> |
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| 07:11 | francharb | hello |
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| 07:15 | cait | morning |
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| 07:32 | hdl | hi all |
| 07:36 | sophie_m | hello #koha |
| 07:44 | magnuse | kia ora #koha |
| 07:58 | woohoo for bug 6772! | |
| 07:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6772 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Implementation of a recommendations engine |
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| 10:08 | raj | hi |
| 10:08 | anybody there? | |
| 10:09 | rangi you there? | |
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| 10:14 | * Oak | waves |
| 10:16 | raj | i am getting an issue in koha if anybody can help me please reply.. |
| 10:17 | magnuse | we won't know if we can help until you have described your problem, raj |
| 10:19 | raj | thanks magnuse |
| 10:19 | i will provide the information now | |
| 10:19 | when i try to create a label it generates the following error.. | |
| 10:20 | Software error: | |
| 10:35 | "MarkIssueReturned" is not exported by the C4::Circulation module | |
| 10:37 | this what the error i got | |
| 10:39 | magnuse | hm, that's a strange error |
| 10:39 | what version are you using? | |
| 10:41 | raj | 3.02.00.004 |
| 10:41 | using 64 bit cent os | |
| 10:42 | magnuse | hm, that's quite old, 3.4 is the current stable |
| 10:42 | any plans on upgrading? | |
| 10:43 | raj | tats ok but we are trying to migrage from 32 bit os to 64 bit and after the fresh installation of the 64 bit koha we have restored the old database. everything works fine now other than the issue while creating the label.. |
| 10:44 | if upgarding is the only solution means we can do. but i prefer to solve this with out upgrading. | |
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| 10:50 | raj | this is the complete error log |
| 10:50 | "MarkIssueReturned" is not exported by the C4::Circulation module | |
| 10:51 | Can't continue after import errors at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Accounts.pm line 27 | |
| 10:51 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Accounts.pm line 27. | |
| 10:51 | Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Reserves.pm line 31. | |
| 10:51 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Reserves.pm line 31. | |
| 10:51 | Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Circulation.pm line 25. | |
| 10:51 | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Circulation.pm line 25. | |
| 10:52 | any suggestion magnuse | |
| 10:54 | magnuse | looks like this issue might have been solved 3 years ago: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2006 |
| 10:54 | huginn | 04Bug 2006: major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Fines Payment Broken |
| 10:55 | raj | looking magnuse |
| 10:55 | magnuse | the patch is not attached to the bug... |
| 10:56 | if i were you i would at least upgrade to the most recent version of 3.2 - i believe that is 3.2.10 | |
| 10:56 | or preferably 3.4.4 which is the most recent stable | |
| 10:56 | that will give you a ton of bugfixes and new features as well | |
| 10:56 | raj | sure magnuse |
| 10:57 | i will try to fix it or upgrade to the latest stable one :) | |
| 10:58 | magnuse | a quick and dirty fix might be something like adding "MarkIssueReturned" to the list of exported subroutines in C4/Circulation.pm |
| 10:59 | raj | even to /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Reserves.pm , am i right? |
| 11:00 | magnuse | hm, not if the error says "MarkIssueReturned" is not exported by the C4::Circulation module |
| 11:03 | raj | ooh it says so :( |
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| 11:19 | druthb | o/ |
| 11:20 | magnuse | \o |
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| 11:41 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6786] False detection of index names in Search; make index names case insensitive <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6786> |
| 11:43 | Agent_Dani | o/ |
| 12:00 | raj | thanks magnuse the dirty fix worked for me .. thanks a lot |
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| 12:26 | * oleonard | tries again |
| 12:26 | oleonard | Once again in a branch where the network admin has blocked IRC ports |
| 12:26 | ...and possibly whatever port git uses as well? | |
| 12:37 | magnus_lunch | sounds like fun... |
| 12:39 | oleonard | Yeah, that limits my ability to get stuff done. |
| 12:39 | Oh well, just killing time before a meeting shortly. | |
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| 13:22 | huginn | New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6755] Problems with switching languages <http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6755> |
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| 14:47 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha. |
| 14:47 | Was I "jcamins_1way" overnight? | |
| 14:47 | Oops. | |
| 15:02 | rhcl | wonders if 10:00am is too early for lunch... |
| 15:02 | jwagner | rhcl, call it brunch! |
| 15:03 | jcamins | rhcl: it's 4:03pm in London- it's a late lunch! |
| 15:04 | rhcl | I'll just call it food and eat it! Course, I'll have to sneak away so nobody knows I'm gone... |
| 15:05 | I know. Independent research. We need some more receipt printers, and I need to go see what Arby's uses. | |
| 15:05 | And of course, I'll want to get a sample printout from their printers... | |
| 15:05 | jcamins | :) |
| 15:08 | rhcl | So, anybody wanna talk about children's computers? |
| 15:09 | No takers, huh? OK, time's up. | |
| 15:11 | @seen slef | |
| 15:11 | huginn | rhcl: slef was last seen in #koha 21 hours, 53 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <slef> yes, that needs quite a few |
| 15:11 | jcamins | Yale does not receive accolades for their thoroughness wrt making sure their holdings in their catalog match their holdings in OCLC. |
| 15:12 | rhcl | something more than just a periodic update of their holdings? |
| 15:12 | jcamins | It looks like when they had OCLC do a recon project, they failed to load some of the records. |
| 15:12 | rhcl | maybe there's just an end-of-month update waiting to reflect new holdings recently added to their db? |
| 15:13 | jcamins | Nah, it's an old RLIN record that wasn't loaded into their own catalog. |
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| 15:29 | * chris_n | looks down the barrel of a loaded hurricane :P |
| 15:30 | * Agent_Dani | will likely be just out of range. |
| 15:33 | rhcl | chris_n: are you in the path? |
| 15:35 | chris_n | rhcl: Irene is projected to make landfall in NC near Jacksonville. I'm about 80-90 miles from there. |
| 15:35 | oleonard | Are your hatches battened? |
| 15:36 | chris_n | we also are a host county for one of the coastal counties |
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| 15:38 | libsysguy1 | morning #Koha |
| 15:40 | jcamins | Good morning, libsysguy1. |
| 15:40 | libsysguy1 | *crack knuckles* im ready to start working on overdues/notices |
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| 15:47 | Agent_Dani | chris_n: Ah...you're a good bit south of me, then. |
| 15:48 | oleonard | Hooray, two patches pushed. |
| 15:49 | libsysguy1 | If I was going to work on notices would it be better to wait on 3.6? |
| 15:49 | oleonard | libsysguy1: Don't wait on anything! |
| 15:49 | Git makes it possible to start your work now | |
| 15:50 | libsysguy1 | haha is there already a branch for 3.6? |
| 15:50 | oleonard | Whatever you write won't make it into an official release until 3.6 or later either way |
| 15:50 | libsysguy1 | right |
| 15:50 | jcamins | libsysguy1: just use Master for your work. |
| 15:50 | libsysguy1 | gotcha |
| 15:50 | jcamins | (i.e. not the 3.4.x branch) |
| 15:55 | * larryb | is away: |
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| 16:08 | jwagner | is Authen/CAS/Client.pm a new Perl dependency? My latest git pull on current head is complaining about it. |
| 16:08 | jcamins | jwagner: it's been listed since prior to 3.2. |
| 16:09 | jwagner | Really? I've been running this system for a couple of years, and as recently as a couple of weeks ago (last time I did a git pull) it never complained. |
| 16:09 | Wonder what happened.... | |
| 16:09 | jcamins | jwagner: how's it complaining? |
| 16:09 | jwagner | When I try to go to the staff URL: Can't locate Authen/CAS/Client.pm in @INC |
| 16:10 | That's usually an indication of a new module. | |
| 16:10 | jcamins | Hm. I've never gotten that error message. It just shows red in the About page. |
| 16:11 | jwagner | What has been pushed in the last couple of weeks, anyone know? Anything related to CAS? |
| 16:11 | * jcamins | hasn't updated to Master in a while. |
| 16:12 | jcamins | I'm on 3.5.0.4 |
| 16:13 | oleonard | Bug 5630 maybe? |
| 16:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5630 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , CAS improvements |
| 16:16 | jwagner | sounds likely -- there's a call in there to use Authen::CAS::Client; |
| 16:16 | Can someone else update a test current head server & see if it works for you? | |
| 16:17 | oleonard | jwagner: I'm always working off of master and I never got an error about it |
| 16:17 | jwagner | Hmmmm. |
| 16:19 | oleonard, you updated this morning? | |
| 16:19 | oleonard | hdl, isn't Bug 6775 something Biblibre was working on? |
| 16:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6775 enhancement, P5, ---, savitra.sirohi, NEW , Allow reason to be specified when debarring |
| 16:19 | oleonard | jwagner: Yes |
| 16:19 | jwagner | Double hmmmmmm. |
| 16:19 | sekjal | there has been some CAS work recently... would need to look at the 'use' statements to see if it's being called in other, non-CAS parts of the code now |
| 16:20 | but it's been a dependency for quite a while, so I don't have any servers where it's not already installed to test this theory | |
| 16:21 | jwagner | I've asked my IT people to make sure the module is installed. But if it's been required for that long, it should have been installed long ago. I've had this server for a couple of years now. |
| 16:21 | I dunno. | |
| 16:22 | hdl | oleonard: it is already done... |
| 16:22 | oleonard | Has it been pushed hdl? |
| 16:22 | hdl | debarredcomment |
| 16:22 | * hdl | don't know |
| 16:27 | oleonard | libsysguy1: Your email about notifications mentions something you're calling the collection code--we already have collection codes. |
| 16:28 | Does anyone here know of a script which automatically undebars patrons with no overdues? | |
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| 16:49 | jcamins | oleonard: I thought there wasn't one. |
| 16:49 | oleonard | Me neither, but it doesn't hurt to ask :) |
| 16:49 | Seems like the kind of thing a developer would brag was 'trivial' to write ;) | |
| 16:50 | wizzyrea | oleonard: nekls has been wanting that forever |
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| 16:52 | oleonard | I wonder if we have any $ left in the development budget... |
| 16:55 | rhcl | So, <undebar/debar> automatically would do what exactly? For example, we might bar someone who has no fines/overdues, but who has vandalized equipment, or who has a known bad address on record. |
| 16:56 | wizzyrea | and actually, we were looking for cosponsors for that |
| 16:56 | oleonard: | |
| 16:56 | there's a bug open for it | |
| 16:56 | oleonard | The first example is valid rhcl, the second could be handled with gonenoaddress, no? |
| 16:56 | wizzyrea | bg 2720 |
| 16:56 | bug 2720 | |
| 16:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2720 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Fines that debar automatically, should undebar automatically when paid. |
| 16:56 | rhcl | these people might need to see a staff member to update records or The Director to offer penance |
| 16:56 | wizzyrea | (sorry bg :P) |
| 16:56 | bg | hi wizzyrea |
| 16:56 | oleonard | rhcl: I have the same reservations, as indicated in that bug report |
| 16:56 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 16:57 | wizzyrea | certain types of fees should be marked as "trivial" and others "not trivial" |
| 16:57 | :P | |
| 16:57 | oleonard | If we got that "debar explanation" feature in some form you could have the job check to see whether there was a reason entered |
| 16:57 | rhcl | well, it's just that we're in the beginning of our FY, and I have a little bit of dev money, and somebody will snatch it if I don't spend it. |
| 16:58 | oleonard | Did I not see that NEKLS was seeking co-sponsors, or did I forget? |
| 16:58 | Or did I assume we were already out of money? :P | |
| 16:59 | sekjal | originally, "debarred" meant more like "vandalized equipment" or "is a physical threat to the librarians" |
| 16:59 | it's being used a little differently now, just to designate that the patron cannot borrower | |
| 16:59 | ~borrow | |
| 17:01 | wizzyrea | I think you must have missed it |
| 17:01 | did I not put the message on the bug, that was dumb of me | |
| 17:01 | oh, I did | |
| 17:01 | whew. | |
| 17:02 | rhcl | We us the term "barred" to mean a patron's account is essentially frozen - no checkouts and no use of the computers until the problem, whatever that may be (as above), is fixed. |
| 17:02 | wizzyrea | well oleonard in your defense that was only a month ago |
| 17:02 | oleonard | Ah wait, that's not the bug I'm thinking of! |
| 17:02 | rhcl | However, we're willing to be accommodating as long as the terminology is clear to us. |
| 17:02 | oleonard | (plus the QA contact isn't the bugs list) |
| 17:03 | Bug 1698 | |
| 17:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1698 enhancement, P3, ---, chris, NEW , Undebar patron if all items are returned |
| 17:04 | oleonard | Similar ends. But harder to get money to spend on something relating to fines, for us. |
| 17:04 | rhcl | same here--we don't charge fines |
| 17:05 | but it's all in the wording--make it related to overdues and being barred, and we're interested. | |
| 17:05 | wizzyrea | ok, that then |
| 17:06 | rhcl | I have a friend that works for the gvt, and every project they request funding for is related to climate change, because that's where all the grant money is, even though the project may not have that as a primary study objective |
| 17:06 | wizzyrea | "things" that debar should be able to have the debarment lifted automatically |
| 17:07 | rhcl did you see the 2nd to last comment | |
| 17:07 | she talks about overdues | |
| 17:07 | (and she was from NEKLS | |
| 17:08 | rhcl | I'm talking to my TS manager over my shoulder--I don't have personal opinions on this myself... |
| 17:08 | wizzyrea | all good |
| 17:08 | sekjal | break it out to Patron Privileges: CanBorrow, CanRenew, CanPlaceHold, etc. etc |
| 17:08 | rhcl | RE "Things that debar should be able to have the debarment lifted automatically" : we agree |
| 17:08 | sekjal | table has three columns: borrowernumber, privilege, suspension |
| 17:09 | suspension is normally 0, meaning the permission is in effect | |
| 17:09 | oleonard | sekjal wants EVERYTHING in a matrix! ;) |
| 17:09 | * larryb | is back (gone 01:13:35) |
| 17:09 | sekjal | but if they do something that revokes that permission, its bumped to 1 |
| 17:09 | or, instead of numerics, have suspension_reason | |
| 17:09 | which is freetext | |
| 17:09 | or a set of configured keys | |
| 17:09 | wizzyrea | can you blame him |
| 17:10 | sekjal | I'm like the Anti-Neo |
| 17:11 | wizzyrea | @quote add <oleonard> sekjal wants EVERYTHING in a matrix! <sekjal> I'm like the Anti-Neo |
| 17:11 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #148 added. |
| 17:11 | rhcl | what about being barred for a given number of days (typically kids for misbehavior), but lifted automatically on a certain date? |
| 17:11 | wizzyrea | isn't that fine in days? |
| 17:11 | and already in | |
| 17:12 | sekjal | could have suspended_until field |
| 17:12 | slef | hi. Any other sysadmins in? |
| 17:13 | wizzyrea | shoot, maybe someone can answer |
| 17:14 | (I consider all here "smart kids" so chances are good someone's got the answer I'm seeking) | |
| 17:14 | slef | would like to test with one before I make a fool of myself in public :) |
| 17:14 | if no answer in a few, I'll ask then :) | |
| 17:19 | rhcl | come on slef, we're waiting to go to lunch but none of us can leave until we see your question. :) |
| 17:23 | slef | oh ok. Has anyone else secured their Koha servers against the just-published apache DoS and did you have any problems doing so? (Yes, we're secured now, but something struck me as a bit odd and I just spent a while without getting to the bottom of it.) |
| 17:26 | rhcl | this? http://apache.slashdot.org/sto[…]0&utm_medium=feed |
| 17:26 | jcamins | slef: I just tried to look up the Apache DoS exploit that you mention, but it would appear that Apache's advisory site is down. |
| 17:27 | slef | http://lists.grok.org.uk/piper[…]ca/attachment.obj |
| 17:27 | oleonard | If you don't allow the self-checkout system to automatically log in does that mean a staff member has to log in manually? |
| 17:29 | slef | rhcl: that |
| 17:31 | jcamins | It seems like Koha wouldn't need to serve slices of pages. |
| 17:32 | slef | jcamins: maybe, maybe not. Koha's virtualhosts also serve files (images, javascript and so on) and some browsers and proxies behave in the funniest ways. |
| 17:32 | so I'm not sure I'd want to bet against it completely | |
| 17:32 | rhcl | this afternoon I may do the test mentioned... |
| 17:33 | /bin/echo -en "HEAD / HTTP/1.1\r\nHost:localhost\r\nRange:bytes=0-,$(perl -e 'for ($i=1;$i<1300;$i++) { print "5-$i,"; }')5-1300\r\nAccept-Encoding:gzip\r\nConnection:close\r\n\r\n" | nc localhost 80 | |
| 17:34 | slef | rhcl: you might want something smaller than 1300 in there, to reduce the pain to non-fatal levels. Also you mainly want to read the Content-Length in the header and junk the rest. |
| 17:34 | rhcl | yep, that's why I will wait--I want to look it over first. |
| 17:34 | jcamins | slef: I'd think browsers and proxies would have to be able to cope? |
| 17:35 | slef | ok... I'll be in and out all evening. |
| 17:35 | jcamins: they should but some people still use AOL, so do you want to bet on it? ;-) | |
| 17:36 | jcamins | slef: ah, that's not an issue for me. |
| 17:36 | I just tell my clients "you must use Firefox or Chrome." | |
| 17:37 | wizzyrea | sekjal, in the gamifying wiki post tehre's a link to stack overflow that talks about how they do asnyc achievements (because looking at that amount of comment data realtime would be overwhelming) |
| 17:37 | though I love the idea of a plugin. | |
| 17:37 | that's what http://code.google.com/userinfuser would do | |
| 17:37 | or they could be used together | |
| 17:37 | but I think there's some opposition to "yet another thing to run alongside koha" | |
| 17:37 | jcamins is a ruthless dictator | |
| 17:37 | :) | |
| 17:37 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I sure am. |
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| 17:37 | wizzyrea | get back in the kitchen and bake me a pie? |
| 17:37 | slef | jcamins: wow, harsh. Screw software freedom, huh? ;-) |
| 17:38 | * wizzyrea | teases. only teasing. |
| 17:38 | wizzyrea | yes, people should be free to use netscape 1.0 |
| 17:38 | * slef | too. That's what the ;-) is about. |
| 17:38 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 17:38 | (I got it :)) | |
| 17:38 | jcamins | slef: you bet. If you want to ask why something's not working, you'd better be using it exactly the way I told you to. ;) |
| 17:39 | * wizzyrea | imagines jcamins with a whip made of old versions of internet explorer |
| 17:39 | wizzyrea | oh I just made myself laugh. |
| 17:39 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I like to think I look kind of like the Balrog. |
| 17:39 | wizzyrea | horns and all? |
| 17:40 | oleonard | I think he means he's currently on fire. |
| 17:40 | wizzyrea | tee hee |
| 17:40 | jcamins | oleonard: hehe. |
| 17:40 | sekjal | jcamins: Brother's Hildebrandt version, or movie version? |
| 17:40 | s/'//; | |
| 17:40 | jcamins | sekjal: movie. I imagine a whip made of IE would be burning in much the way it does in the movie. |
| 17:41 | wizzyrea | burning with the fire of 1k firefox 1.0 installations |
| 17:41 | this metaphor has merit. | |
| 17:41 | oleonard | I'm pretty contrary about the movies, but I did like that Balrog. |
| 17:41 | * wizzyrea | gasps |
| 17:46 | jcamins | Viaf can't handle question marks in queries. |
| 17:46 | That's embarrassing. | |
| 17:47 | slef | OCLC's Viaf? |
| 17:47 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 17:47 | slef | ow |
| 17:47 | jcamins | And to make it doubly embarassing (however that's spelled), the question marks were automatically inserted by Javascript. |
| 17:48 | slef | My ISP? |
| 17:49 | jcamins | Huh? |
| 17:49 | slef | nm |
| 17:51 | rallying in fast cars? | |
| 17:51 | wahanui | rallying in fast cars is, like, fun |
| 18:08 | slef | now the world? |
| 18:08 | wahanui | it has been said that now the world is in balance again |
| 18:08 | slef | turns out there? |
| 18:08 | wahanui | turns out there is, like, a template bug too, fixing that now as well |
| 18:09 | slef | @roulette |
| 18:09 | huginn | *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! |
| 18:09 | * huginn | reloads and spins the chambers. |
| 18:09 | slef | botsnack :) |
| 18:09 | wahanui: botsnack? | |
| 18:09 | wahanui | thanks slef :) |
| 18:09 | * slef | ambles off |
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| 18:27 | * larryb | is away: |
| 18:55 | is back (gone 00:28:36) | |
| 18:56 | wizzyrea | libsysguy: about? |
| 19:27 | welcome | |
| 19:28 | rangi | Welcome? |
| 19:29 | Bug 5866 | |
| 19:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5866 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris, NEW , At larger hold volume, waitingreserves.pl for all libraries times out, can cause generalized slowness |
| 19:29 | wizzyrea | back |
| 19:29 | rangi | wizzyrea: do u have time to test that one? |
| 19:29 | wizzyrea | probably, I think it's on our test server, 1s. |
| 19:30 | rangi | sweet |
| 19:30 | wizzyrea | yea bg put it on our test server last night I'll check it right now |
| 19:31 | 6 seconds on our crap test server, no timing out | |
| 19:31 | 1566 holds olver | |
| 19:31 | over* | |
| 19:32 | rangi | woot |
| 19:32 | wizzyrea | just for fun |
| 19:32 | rangi | worth a signoff? |
| 19:32 | wizzyrea | imma run it on our production |
| 19:32 | yep, gimme a min | |
| 19:32 | rangi | cool thanks |
| 19:32 | wizzyrea | and see what the diff is |
| 19:33 | over 40s | |
| 19:33 | it's still going | |
| 19:34 | (do note, I say "crap" I mean "slower than production by quite a lot") | |
| 19:34 | (the server itself i'm sure is not crap.) | |
| 19:35 | rangi | nod |
| 19:38 | @wunder wellington nz | |
| 19:38 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on August 26, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising). |
| 19:41 | * oleonard | is sorry cait isn't here to coordinate with on Bug 6458 |
| 19:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6458 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, ASSIGNED , incorrect parsing result in translation processing |
| 19:54 | sekjal | 5866 passed QA |
| 19:56 | rangi | yay |
| 20:00 | * rangi | hopes to knock a few more small bugs off today |
| 20:00 | rangi | and push all the waiting ones |
| 20:01 | oleonard | Seeing bugs get fixed makes me inordinately happy. |
| 20:01 | jcamins | Amazon has introduced a Memcached service. |
| 20:02 | Kind of nifty. | |
| 20:04 | rangi | ok my stop bbiab |
| 20:11 | back | |
| 20:12 | larryb left #koha | |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | celebrimbor? |
| 20:15 | sekjal | whoops |
| 20:15 | sorry, was doing bot maintenance | |
| 20:16 | oleonard | He was the son of Curufin, fifth son of Fëanor (son of Finwë and his first wife Míriel) and Nerdanel, and the only known grandchild of Fëanor. Little is said of his deeds during the First Age. |
| 20:16 | Duh. | |
| 20:17 | libsysguy1 | @wunder 75799 |
| 20:17 | huginn | libsysguy1: The current temperature in Ellis Weather Central, Tyler, Texas is 37.2°C (3:17 PM CDT on August 25, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.20 in 988.7 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 9 PM CDT this evening... |
| 20:17 | wizzyrea | omg, sekjal is a bot? |
| 20:23 | jcamins | wizzyrea: with all that QA-ing, I guess sekjal would have to be a caffeine-fueled machine. :) |
| 20:23 | wizzyrea | hee |
| 20:32 | jcamins | Has there been a bumper crop of pushy "it doesn't work, fix it now" messages on the mailing list recently, or am I just even grouchier than usual? |
| 20:33 | wizzyrea | I'm thinking it is a cultural/language thing |
| 20:33 | rangi | i think its a bit of both |
| 20:33 | the more popular it becomes | |
| 20:33 | the more we'll get | |
| 20:33 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 20:34 | jcamins | I definitely understand where the stereotype that developers are unfriendly could come from. |
| 20:34 | wizzyrea | they do get worn down |
| 20:35 | which is why we often talk about cookies :P | |
| 20:35 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 20:35 | wizzyrea | to build you back up with humor and delicious food |
| 20:35 | jcamins | I baked cookies for the first time all summer yesterday. |
| 20:35 | It was glorious. | |
| 20:35 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 20:35 | jcamins | And the cookies were delicious. |
| 20:35 | wizzyrea | what kind? |
| 20:35 | jcamins | Sandtarts. |
| 20:35 | * wizzyrea | imagines something completely different than cookies when she reads that name |
| 20:36 | googles sandtarts | |
| 20:36 | braces herself | |
| 20:36 | jcamins | 3/4 c. or 1 c. butter (the recipe says 1 c., but I think it's wrong), 1-1/4 c. sugar, 1 tsp. vanilla extract, 1 tsp. lemon extract, 1 egg, 2 c. flour, 2 c. chocolate chips. |
| 20:36 | wizzyrea | oh those look yummy |
| 20:36 | tart bc of the lemon | |
| 20:37 | jcamins | Yeah. Online "sandtart" refers to a different cookie, though. |
| 20:37 | wizzyrea | and sandy because they're rolled in sugar? |
| 20:37 | jcamins | I think. |
| 20:37 | Yeah, those are not the same thing. | |
| 20:38 | The recipe I follow is not shaped or rolled in sugar in any way. | |
| 20:38 | We have no idea where the name came from. | |
| 20:38 | Nor the recipe, for that matter. | |
| 20:38 | I thought for a moment it was the recipe in Joy of Cooking, but it turns out that although that recipe is slightly similar, it's not the same thing. | |
| 20:39 | rangi | ok, time to crank some patch testing and pushing music |
| 20:39 | http://soundcloud.com/hirshee/[…]awn-penn-you-dont | |
| 20:39 | * oleonard | cheers on rangi |
| 20:41 | oleonard | ...even though I don't get your taste in testing and pushing music. |
| 20:41 | rangi | heh |
| 20:41 | it has to be loud and bassy | |
| 20:42 | * oleonard | realizes he's late for quitting time |
| 20:43 | rhcl_away | OK, so I bought some cookie dough from somebody here at the lib raising funds for their kids for something or other... |
| 20:43 | rangi | and its bad? |
| 20:44 | rhcl_away | I keep forgetting to take it home. So. I have a George Foreman grill thinger. Suppose I can bake cookies on that? |
| 20:44 | rangi | why not |
| 20:44 | :) | |
| 20:44 | jcamins | rhcl_away: sure. |
| 20:45 | You'll want to tilt it, though, so the cookies don't slide out (aren't the grills angled?). | |
| 20:45 | wizzyrea | yea, in the toaster oven tho |
| 20:45 | too* | |
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| 20:45 | rhcl_away | The only time I think about it is when I'm here at the library....OK, lemme go try. (We don't have a toaster oven, but good idea). |
| 20:46 | rangi | others having trouble with git.koha-community.org ? |
| 20:46 | jcamins | rhcl_away: when do you leave? |
| 20:47 | aarkerio | Hi!! somebody can help me? I have two Items but I can not ask for any of them: |
| 20:47 | http://mononeurona.org/img/img[…]aarkerio_2265.png | |
| 20:48 | why? | |
| 20:48 | need I set a "flag" when I add a new Item? | |
| 20:50 | is a "Library" user | |
| 20:51 | rangi | aarkerio: check your systempreferences |
| 20:51 | there is one for allowing holds on items on the shelf | |
| 20:51 | make sure that is on | |
| 20:51 | then also check your circulation rules | |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea | re git.koha-community.org, it's very slow, possibly not responding |
| 20:51 | rangi | to make sure holds are allowed for those item types |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea: yeah i get no response | |
| 20:52 | hmm no larryb | |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | ping sekjal |
| 20:52 | rangi | bg: can you take a look at the git server? its a bywater machine eh? |
| 20:52 | sekjal | on it |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | awesomesauce |
| 20:53 | rangi | thanks |
| 20:55 | aarkerio | thanks, BTW, what is the "regular" user in Koha? Student? |
| 20:55 | I mean, he must be able to borrow items | |
| 20:55 | rangi | its whatever you set up |
| 20:56 | its totally up to the rules you set | |
| 20:57 | aarkerio | ok, thanks again |
| 20:59 | sekjal | git.koha-community.org responding more quickly now |
| 21:00 | rhcl_away | jcamins: when do I leave for where? |
| 21:00 | jcamins | rhcl_away: home. |
| 21:01 | rhcl_away | cookies on George Foreman have decidedly mixed results. The top is so heavy is squeshes 'em really flat and hard to scrape them off the grids |
| 21:01 | wizzyrea | jcamins: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r[…]ox-cookies-154621 |
| 21:01 | rhcl | Oh, I'll be here for two more hours |
| 21:02 | jcamins | rhcl: how hot is it? |
| 21:02 | If it's not too hot, you could just keep the cookie dough by your keys, and bake them as soon as you get home. | |
| 21:03 | rhcl | @wunder 64506 |
| 21:03 | huginn | rhcl: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 27.9°C (4:03 PM CDT on August 25, 2011). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:04 | jcamins | wizzyrea: intriguing. |
| 21:04 | rhcl: I meant inside. ;) | |
| 21:06 | rhcl | First batch I put four of these small cookies on the grill, and they all ran together and came out exactly like a pancake. |
| 21:07 | So next I tried just two side-by-side, and they looked a little like something else. | |
| 21:07 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 21:08 | two blobs and some ran down the middle between them? | |
| 21:08 | you might try propping up the front feet :P | |
| 21:08 | more like a griddle | |
| 21:08 | and forget the lid | |
| 21:08 | jcamins | I suggested that way back at the beginning. |
| 21:08 | wizzyrea | ah |
| 21:08 | nm | |
| 21:08 | i was on the phooooone | |
| 21:08 | sorry | |
| 21:09 | jcamins | No, it's a good idea. ;) |
| 21:09 | I was just pointing out my suggestion so that I can claim experience for it on chorewars. ;) | |
| 21:09 | wizzyrea | ohsnap |
| 21:09 | only if rhcl gets a successful cookie out of the deal | |
| 21:09 | *giggle* | |
| 21:11 | rhcl | I'll just send you the whole box. There's only about 6 oz of sugar in each little drop. Exactly what I need. |
| 21:18 | rangi | goddamnit |
| 21:18 | wizzyrea | !! |
| 21:18 | rangi | someone stop me replying to amy |
| 21:19 | jcamins | Huh. |
| 21:19 | * wizzyrea | is afraid |
| 21:19 | wizzyrea | don't answer! |
| 21:19 | rangi | koha mailing list |
| 21:19 | jcamins | No, that was a question. |
| 21:19 | s/was/wasn't | |
| 21:20 | Picture Captain Reynolds from Firefly saying "Huh." | |
| 21:20 | rangi | :) |
| 21:20 | wizzyrea | deep breaths |
| 21:20 | jcamins | That's the intonation I was going for. |
| 21:22 | wizzyrea | um, best to say thanks and let it die? |
| 21:22 | rangi | how about thanks and will you be submitting patches to Koha? |
| 21:22 | :) | |
| 21:22 | otherwise go play on your own list | |
| 21:22 | sekjal | too late; Lori's replied |
| 21:22 | jcamins | Does "unified git repository" mean that they're reconciling Koha and LibLime Koha? |
| 21:23 | rangi | naw |
| 21:23 | rhcl | rangi can has a flat cookie. and Sanka |
| 21:23 | rangi | i bet they arent, theirs is still html::template pro |
| 21:23 | sekjal | "unified git repository" means no branches |
| 21:23 | rangi | yeah one big pile of shit |
| 21:23 | wizzyrea | i'm completely serious |
| 21:23 | do not bite on this. | |
| 21:23 | * jcamins | isn't. |
| 21:23 | just didn't know what "unified git repository" meant. | |
| 21:24 | rangi | yep ill just leave it at lori's reply |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 21:24 | let's hope others do too | |
| 21:24 | do not give this power. | |
| 21:24 | responding gives it power | |
| 21:24 | rangi | otoh so does not responding |
| 21:25 | wizzyrea | naw, lori responded |
| 21:25 | rangi | its a damned if you do, damned if you dont |
| 21:25 | to me, its like s/d advertising symphony on the koha list | |
| 21:25 | wizzyrea | it is, but we would consider that spam, right? |
| 21:26 | rangi | yup, and delete the message |
| 21:27 | jcamins | :D |
| 21:27 | rangi | heh |
| 21:30 | sekjal: thanks for the git fix | |
| 21:30 | sekjal | rangi: gladly |
| 21:31 | aarkerio | what is a library/branch ? |
| 21:31 | rangi | aarkerio: have you seen the manual? |
| 21:32 | sekjal: hmm or not | |
| 21:32 | rorohiko:[git/kcmaster-]:~/git/koha% git fetch | |
| 21:32 | fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly | |
| 21:32 | aarkerio: http://koha-community.org/docu[…]on/3-4-manual-en/ might help | |
| 21:35 | * magnuse | wishes #koha a peaceful night or other time of the day |
| 21:35 | sekjal | rangi: checking |
| 21:36 | rangi | thanks |
| 21:38 | ketchup | is it safe to come out now? |
| 21:39 | aarkerio | rangi, gracias!! |
| 21:39 | rangi | oh and have you seen the espanol site? |
| 21:39 | http://es.koha-community.org/ ? | |
| 21:39 | http://es.koha-community.org/d[…]a-3-2-en-espanol/ | |
| 21:41 | sekjal | rangi: server has resources available, and git-daemon appears to be running |
| 21:42 | aarkerio | gracias otra vez |
| 21:43 | rangi | hmm |
| 21:43 | i pushed ok | |
| 21:43 | cant fetch | |
| 21:43 | * wizzyrea | checks fetch |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | i have the same problem |
| 21:43 | can't fetch. | |
| 21:44 | Brooke joined #koha | |
| 21:44 | sekjal | fetching on git://, right? |
| 21:44 | rangi | sup brooke |
| 21:44 | Brooke | 0/ |
| 21:44 | rangi | yup |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | ya |
| 21:45 | sekjal | okay, git-daemon must not be running right |
| 21:47 | gmcharlt | I've bounced it, better now? |
| 21:48 | rangi | nope, still spazzing out |
| 21:48 | * gmcharlt | starts digging |
| 21:48 | rangi | yay! newsletter |
| 21:49 | Brooke | all PEI schools on Koha++ |
| 21:50 | rhcl | rangi: we're really doing quite well with our children's computer project. Should we release it as straight GPL 3, skipping the 2+ ? AGPL? |
| 21:51 | Brooke | I say 3. Cause it's bettah. |
| 21:51 | jcamins | I'd say 3+ instead of 3. |
| 21:51 | But I have no opinion, I'm just commenting on the choice of 3 versus 3+. | |
| 21:51 | gmcharlt | there's rarely a good reason to pin to a single GPL version |
| 21:51 | rangi | hmm its not something youd use as a SaaS thing eh? |
| 21:51 | gmcharlt | + is the way to go |
| 21:51 | rhcl | Input noted from Brooke. And yes, a bit sloppy but ment 3+. |
| 21:52 | rangi | GPLv3+ |
| 21:52 | would be my choice | |
| 21:52 | rhcl | We do have a very simple server which serves up the web page used by the clients. |
| 21:54 | rangi | right but the client software has to be installed on the client machines right? thus being distributed |
| 21:54 | rhcl | The clients only run a very simple py script which calls everything it needs from the webwerver. That way any changes are made in just one place and updates are very simple and easy. Uses MySql. |
| 21:56 | rangi | sweet |
| 21:56 | rhcl | The actual content is all online from commercial/proprietary/copyrighted sources like PBS Kids and Nickelodeon. Perfectly willing to discuss this if desired... |
| 21:56 | rangi | i think probably gplv3+ still |
| 21:56 | rhcl | ack |
| 21:57 | rangi | but you could ask someone like bradley kuhn or someone else at sflc |
| 21:57 | for an opinion | |
| 21:57 | gmcharlt | ok, seems happier now |
| 21:58 | rangi | so it does |
| 21:58 | jcamins | Time to call it a day. |
| 21:58 | Good night, #koha | |
| 21:58 | Brooke | you mean like reservation junk? |
| 21:59 | rhcl | Brooke: yes, something for time allocation on public computers |
| 22:00 | Brooke | I'm surprised that hasn't been stitched in. It's one of those things. |
| 22:00 | It's a sticky thing like the label stuff. | |
| 22:01 | gmcharlt | sekjal: bg: ok, /etc/init.d/git-daemon munged so that git-daemon should start up properly the next time that the box is restarted |
| 22:01 | sekjal | thanks, gmcharlt! |
| 22:02 | rangi | yay |
| 22:02 | gmcharlt++ | |
| 22:02 | * gmcharlt | 's brain is hurt - I *hate* looking sh's bizarre notion of quoting and conditional statement syntax |
| 22:02 | Brooke | gmcharlt++ |
| 22:02 | there there | |
| 22:02 | * Brooke | hands galen a slice of raisin cake. |
| 22:03 | gmcharlt | hey, how about we rewrite all boot scripts in Perl ... who's with me?!?! |
| 22:09 | rhcl | Five minutes of total silence. Guess gmcharlt is on his own? |
| 22:10 | gmcharlt | rhcl: no worries, it's a good sign that everybody else isn't crazy ;) |
| 22:10 | rhcl | hehe |
| 22:10 | I was going to suggest csh instead of sh | |
| 22:11 | gmcharlt | ouch |
| 22:11 | you wound me, sir | |
| 22:11 | at least make it tcsh | |
| 22:11 | rangi | zsh |
| 22:11 | rhcl | I remember having to adjust to ksh on Sirsi... |
| 22:12 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 22:13 | how to tell that gmcharlt has logged on to your server: check the sh history for "set -o vi" | |
| 22:14 | libsysguy1 left #koha | |
| 22:16 | Brooke | I thought it was just by numerous performance upgrades with an empty brag log. |
| 22:17 | gmcharlt | :) |
| 22:18 | heading home, laters | |
| 22:18 | rangi | cya later |
| 22:18 | Brooke | cheers |
| 22:18 | rhcl | ltr |
| 22:21 | cait joined #koha | |
| 22:21 | Brooke | cait :D |
| 22:21 | cait | hi Brooke, hi all :) |
| 22:22 | rangi | heya cait |
| 22:23 | cait | hi rangi |
| 22:23 | rangi | hows berlin? |
| 22:26 | cait | big :) |
| 22:27 | nah nice | |
| 22:27 | rangi | hehe |
| 22:27 | cait | we did a guided bus tour, visited the dali museum |
| 22:27 | were at a musical and I hadmy first frozen yoghurt :) | |
| 22:27 | oh, and brandenburger tor | |
| 22:27 | rangi | :) |
| 22:30 | cait | we wanted to do the television tower(?) |
| 22:30 | but there were too many people | |
| 22:31 | rangi | ahh |
| 22:31 | what are you doing tomorrow | |
| 22:31 | ? | |
| 22:32 | cait | we are planning right now |
| 22:32 | perhaps a boat tour | |
| 22:32 | Brooke | baton mouche ftw |
| 22:33 | cait | and anja wants to see castle charlottenburg |
| 22:33 | Brooke? | |
| 22:33 | wahanui | i guess Brooke is absolutely convinced |
| 22:33 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Follow-up to Bug 4868, Improve controls for cloning and deleting subfields <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2198eb09c2c35e22c> / Bug 6690: If multiple issues are received in serials-edit.pl, changing the status... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b4d84258dacd2c1c4> / Bug 6727 - Change on exporting and importing csv |
| 22:37 | Brooke | whops eaux |
| 22:37 | pelletiermaxime left #koha | |
| 22:44 | sekjal | does anyone have a Koha DB with a biblio with so many items that it breaks MARC size restrictions? |
| 22:44 | rangi | not on me |
| 22:44 | Brooke | hmmm |
| 22:44 | rangi | i thought if we used -x .. we were ok with that? |
| 22:44 | Brooke | someone did a long time ago when animals could talk |
| 22:45 | it was a serial thing... | |
| 22:45 | rangi | i could well be wrong though |
| 22:45 | sekjal | I'm finding that even with -x, there are issues |
| 22:45 | Brooke | i think it was an academic... |
| 22:45 | sekjal | the search results appear |
| 22:45 | Brooke | if I think long enough, I might shake it out of the olde bean... |
| 22:45 | sekjal | but the link to the biblio detail page is broken, because there is no biblionumber |
| 22:46 | rangi | hmmm |
| 22:46 | should be able to craft one pretty easy eh? | |
| 22:46 | get a record | |
| 22:46 | use the add multiple copies to add 3000 items | |
| 22:46 | that oughta do it ;) | |
| 22:47 | cait | hehe |
| 22:51 | rangi | how the hell do you manually debar someone now? |
| 22:52 | cait | hm? |
| 22:52 | have you applied fine in days? | |
| 22:52 | rangi | you used to be able to do it editing a patron |
| 22:52 | no i dont want that crap | |
| 22:52 | just to debar someone manually | |
| 22:52 | cos they punched the security guard | |
| 22:52 | * rangi | makes up a scenario |
| 22:52 | Brooke | was the guard fresh first? |
| 22:52 | ;) | |
| 22:53 | rangi | but thats what the debar used to be before, before it got hijacked |
| 22:53 | Brooke | lemme go see if I can figger it |
| 22:53 | rangi | can't i do that anymore? |
| 22:53 | sekjal | rangi: should be able to set that flag still on the borrower detail page |
| 22:53 | rangi | is it called something else now? |
| 22:53 | restricted maybe? | |
| 22:53 | sekjal | "restricted"? |
| 22:53 | rangi | ta |
| 22:54 | sekjal | there were some recent terminology changes to the templates pushed |
| 22:54 | rangi | yup i remember now |
| 22:54 | * rangi | is glad you can still do that |
| 22:54 | Brooke | it's a few levels down now |
| 22:55 | rangi | woulda been really annoying if the suspension thing had killed it |
| 22:55 | * Brooke | nods. |
| 22:55 | sekjal | was yakking about this a little earlier today |
| 22:56 | setting up patron Privileges, like "CanBorrow", "CanRenew", "CanPlaceHold", etc | |
| 22:56 | Brooke | we can gamify that by making it a ginormous ban hammer. |
| 22:56 | sekjal | and making some kind of suspension flag or date or whatever to temporarily pause those privileges |
| 22:57 | rangi | yeah |
| 22:57 | cait | configurable blocks |
| 22:57 | Brooke | Friday? |
| 22:57 | wahanui | it has been said that Friday is It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday |
| 22:58 | rangi | restricted is more than that, and needs to be retained |
| 22:58 | cait | would be nice to make it use conditions, like overdues or has fines too |
| 22:58 | rangi | its used here as 'get the hell out of hte library' |
| 22:58 | not just a suspension | |
| 22:58 | Brooke | I pick both because it's more work for Ian. |
| 22:58 | yep | |
| 22:58 | bells and whistles should go off for debar | |
| 22:59 | sekjal | privilege "CanEnterLibrary" |
| 22:59 | rangi | :) |
| 22:59 | Brooke | oleonard++ |
| 23:00 | sekjal | have a suspension_date or suspension_interval, and then the suspension_reason |
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| 23:00 | Brooke | set_default was knob |
| 23:01 | sekjal | ah ha! |
| 23:02 | I think I may see where the problem is with the many-items biblios | |
| 23:02 | it's not us | |
| 23:02 | it's Net::Z3950::ZOOM | |
| 23:02 | it doesn't provide an option for invoking ZOOM connection options | |
| 23:03 | there is a connection attribute called maximumRecordSize | |
| 23:03 | ... hmmm, but it defaults to 1MB | |
| 23:03 | shouldn't that be enough, even for a MARCXML file with 1000 item fields? | |
| 23:05 | rangi | you'd think so |
| 23:12 | sekjal | HA |
| 23:12 | 1.2 MB | |
| 23:13 | bg | 1.2? |
| 23:13 | is that the default | |
| 23:13 | or the size of your record? | |
| 23:13 | rangi | well theres the issue ;) |
| 23:13 | sekjal | the size of the XML record output |
| 23:13 | bg | ah |
| 23:13 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6562: Silence runtime error in reserve/request.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]13278d7f5a49fa269> / bug 6538 update letter.pl help file <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fa0279fc2b2054780> / Fix for Bug 6695 - Layout of patron category add/edit form slightly broken <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koh |
| 23:13 | sekjal | 1676 items attached in that case |
| 23:13 | bg | hmmm… very interesting |
| 23:14 | ok gotta run | |
| 23:14 | ;) | |
| 23:14 | sekjal | okay, so is it easier to a) alter Koha to handle this rare case, or b) fix Net::Z3950::ZOOM to use connection options? |
| 23:14 | rangi | the later is better |
| 23:15 | maybe not easier | |
| 23:15 | sekjal | I've already got the patch for the former |
| 23:16 | rangi | belts and braces |
| 23:20 | sekjal | my patch just makes sure the 999$c is within the first 1MB |
| 23:20 | by putting all the 952s at the end | |
| 23:20 | rangi | ahh |
| 23:27 | cait | night all |
| 23:27 | Brooke | will it truncate summat else if you swap the caboose with the engine? |
| 23:29 | sekjal | anything in the file that exceeds the 1MB limit would just not be indexed... so the last few items, maybe |
| 23:29 | better losing those than the biblionumber | |
| 23:43 | Irma left #koha | |
| 23:48 | paulnz joined #koha | |
| 23:51 | sekjal | going to get some rest. night, #koha |
| 23:52 | sekjal left #koha | |
| 23:52 | rangi | night sekjal |
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